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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2479358]For younger girls with decent bodies Butterflies is probably the overall best in Nana Plaza right now if for no other reason than the number of girls that fit that criteria.

However, if you aren't as concerned about younger girls and want better than decent bodies and probably better faces, Billboard would generally beat Butterflies on those counts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2482728]
Now for Nana, the only gogos worth visiting right now and if I was forced to only choose one gogo to visit, I would visit:

Based on attractive lineups, I would have to go with Rainbow 4 (for the more natural-looking girls).

Based on groping sessions, I would go with Rainbow 5 (for the cosmetic enhancements).

Based on just chilling without being constantly harassed by girls / mamasans, I would go with Butterflies (best open layout for sitting and viewing).

Based on all-around gogo experience, you can't go wrong with Billboard (all-around good).[/QUOTE]On the basis of these and other recommendations I decided to check out Billboard and Butterflies tonight. I walked out of Billboard within 10 seconds of walking in. Why? Because the music is played at ear-splitting volume. So I went to Butterflies and there's exactly the same problem. It's left me a bit perplexed. Firstly, why is nobody else mentioning this? I mean, in Butterflies there were about 5 customers and one of them had his fingers in his ears, one of them I saw complaining about the volume plus me so that's at least 60% who are not happy with it. Does it not bother the posters here who recommended these bars? Secondly, why do the managers do this? I've read on Stickman that these bars have hands-on American managers. I know they're paying him to big them up but I don't understand how they could be so out of touch with their customers, who are mostly middle-aged Western expats at the moment. Why would they think that deafening music would appeal to them? The main purpose of these bars is to facilitate interaction between customers and girls but that's not possible if people can't hear each other talking. It's a shame because there were a few nice girls in Butterflies who I would have liked to buy lady drinks for and maybe barfined but I had to leave after 15 minutes because my ears were starting to physically hurt. So sod these 2 places, I'm never going in them again.

Not much talent in Rainbow 4. Some of the girls were topless and none had a decent pair of tits. They were mostly bad silicone jobs and the others were too small. There was a fair number of MILFS among them as well. Maybe just a couple of girls there I would consider barfining. I left before finishing my drink because another customer was smoking. I thought the whole of Nana was no smoking now but every bar I went in was allowing smoking. I don't really understand the thinking behind this either because for every customer you win by allowing smoking you're probably going to lose two non-smokers. At least the music was played at a reasonable volume.

Twisters BKK had a nice lineup, music at a reasonable volume and nobody smoking so I was enjoying myself until the same idiots who had been smoking in Rainbow 4 walked in and immediately lit up. WTF? The world had this debate years ago and every country including Thailand agreed to ban smoking indoors so why are the bars in Nana allowing it?

[QUOTE=*****man;2492638]On the basis of these and other recommendations I decided to check out Billboard and Butterflies tonight. I walked out of Billboard within 10 seconds of walking in. Why? Because the music is played at ear-splitting volume. So I went to Butterflies and there's exactly the same problem. It's left me a bit perplexed. Firstly, why is nobody else mentioning this? I mean, in Butterflies there were about 5 customers and one of them had his fingers in his ears, one of them I saw complaining about the volume plus me so that's at least 60% who are not happy with it. Does it not bother the posters here who recommended these bars? Secondly, why do the managers do this? I've read on Stickman that these bars have hands-on American managers. I know they're paying him to big them up but I don't understand how they could be so out of touch with their customers, who are mostly middle-aged Western expats at the moment. Why would they think that deafening music would appeal to them? The main purpose of these bars is to facilitate interaction between customers and girls but that's not possible if people can't hear each other talking. It's a shame because there were a few nice girls in Butterflies who I would have liked to buy lady drinks for and maybe barfined but I had to leave after 15 minutes because my ears were starting to physically hurt. So sod these 2 places, I'm never going in them again.

Not much talent in Rainbow 4. Some of the girls were topless and none had a decent pair of tits. They were mostly bad silicone jobs and the others were too small. There was a fair number of MILFS among them as well. Maybe just a couple of girls there I would consider barfining. I left before finishing my drink because another customer was smoking. I thought the whole of Nana was no smoking now but every bar I went in was allowing smoking. I don't really understand the thinking behind this either because for every customer you win by allowing smoking you're probably going to lose two non-smokers. At least the music was played at a reasonable volume.[/QUOTE]You not understand Thai business. Music is played for Thai DJ's. They don't care what you think.

I wear ear protection if that helps. Occasionally you see a staff member with ear plugs too.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2489036]My favorite nice lady in BKK yesterday! What do you think?[/QUOTE]Nice! How did you meet that girl? Can you PM her contact info?

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[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2492716]You not understand Thai business. Music is played for Thai DJ's. They don't care what you think.

I wear ear protection if that helps. Occasionally you see a staff member with ear plugs too.[/QUOTE]I get the noise problem not just in go go's but in lots of bars also. It's actually a health and safety issue for those working in these places and as mentioned it's not going to entice in the over 50 target demographic.

Maybe it's just an age thing, I. E. If it's too loud you're too old.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2492716]You not understand Thai business. Music is played for Thai DJ's. They don't care what you think.

I wear ear protection if that helps. Occasionally you see a staff member with ear plugs too.[/QUOTE]The bars that forbid you to use your smartphone with Google Translate on it and crank the music volume up too high, like Crazy House, only want you to mistake a LD request of "tequila and coke" for some weird Thai cocktail and not for the 2 LDs it actually is.

Too loud music is the norm in Thailand where P4P girls are available. I remember sitting in Beer Garden Soi 7 many times in the past when the music was so loud two men sitting next to each other had to shout to be heard. No way could anyone ask a hooker a question and hear her reply. And there isn't even a stage, a show or dancing in Beer Garden Soi 7! It is just a place to eat, drink and TALK to someone next to you to see if she is the right choice for fucking and sucking.

[QUOTE=*****man;2492638]On the basis of these and other recommendations I decided to check out Billboard and Butterflies tonight. I walked out of Billboard within 10 seconds of walking in. Why? Because the music is played at ear-splitting volume. So I went to Butterflies and there's exactly the same problem. It's left me a bit perplexed. Firstly, why is nobody else mentioning this? I mean, in Butterflies there were about 5 customers and one of them had his fingers in his ears, one of them I saw complaining about the volume plus me so that's at least 60% who are not happy with it. Does it not bother the posters here who recommended these bars? Secondly, why do the managers do this? I've read on Stickman that these bars have hands-on American managers. I know they're paying him to big them up but I don't understand how they could be so out of touch with their customers, who are mostly middle-aged Western expats at the moment. Why would they think that deafening music would appeal to them? The main purpose of these bars is to facilitate interaction between customers and girls but that's not possible if people can't hear each other talking. It's a shame because there were a few nice girls in Butterflies who I would have liked to buy lady drinks for and maybe barfined but I had to leave after 15 minutes because my ears were starting to physically hurt. So sod these 2 places, I'm never going in them again.[/QUOTE]I've been in strip clubs around the world where smoking indoors is illegal for customers, and they all have smoking.

You ask why? Why not, its a brothel.

They are breaking many laws, I'm guessing smoking is their smallest offense.

Tax evasion, money laundering, drugs, etc etc etc etc.

When inspectors come in, you might want people smoking.

Something minor for them to give a citation for, take their nice kickback and leave.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2490176]Switching between the vagina and ass do you change condoms with every Switch. LOL.[/QUOTE]How do you change condoms when you're not using one?

If you want to clean it when you switch just stick it in her mouth for a nice ATM, that's what I do.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2492786]The bars that forbid you to use your smartphone with Google Translate on it and crank the music volume up too high, like Crazy House, only want you to mistake a LD request of "tequila and coke" for some weird Thai cocktail and not for the 2 LDs it actually is.[/QUOTE]Crazy House in Bangkok is the only bar out of 1000's of bar visits where I have had a stunt like this pulled on me. Unlucky for the girl because she was the only girl I ever saw in Crazy House that was decent enough to barfine.

[QUOTE=*****man;2492638]On the basis of these and other recommendations I decided to check out Billboard and Butterflies tonight. I walked out of Billboard within 10 seconds of walking in. Why? Because the music is played at ear-splitting volume. So I went to Butterflies and there's exactly the same problem. It's left me a bit perplexed. Firstly, why is nobody else mentioning this?[/QUOTE]I personally enjoy loud music as long as the dance music and sound system are good. Some gogo bars like Maxim in Pattaya have incredible sound and acoustics. For me the girls get really close to you to talk and that's when you just pull them to you and DFK them. If they squirm then no LD. Simple. Works for me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2492819]
I personally enjoy loud music as long as the dance music and sound system are good. Some gogo bars like Maxim in Pattaya have incredible sound and acoustics. For me the girls get really close to you to talk and that's when you just pull them to you and DFK them. If they squirm then no LD. Simple. Works for me.[/QUOTE]It doesn't bother you that each time you go to a bar like that you get a little bit deafer? And since when has anyone needed an excuse to get close to and DFK a gogo girl?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2492786]The bars that forbid you to use your smartphone with Google Translate on it and crank the music volume up too high, like Crazy House, only want you to mistake a LD request of "tequila and coke" for some weird Thai cocktail and not for the 2 LDs it actually is.

Too loud music is the norm in Thailand where P4P girls are available. I remember sitting in Beer Garden Soi 7 many times in the past when the music was so loud two men sitting next to each other had to shout to be heard. No way could anyone ask a hooker a question and hear her reply. And there isn't even a stage, a show or dancing in Beer Garden Soi 7! It is just a place to eat, drink and TALK to someone next to you to see if she is the right choice for fucking and sucking.[/QUOTE]I agree that most of the bars play music too loud but after two decades of visiting gogos (admittedly much less in the past few years) last night in Billboard and Butterflies was the only time I've actually felt staying in the bar would damage my hearing. If the managers want to make themselves deaf and drive away customers then that's their business. I can understand it in nightclubs where there's a lot of drug taking and dancing and loud music would intensify that but I just can't get my head around it in a go-go bar.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2492819]Crazy House in Bangkok is the only bar out of 1000's of bar visits where I have had a stunt like this pulled on me. Unlucky for the girl because she was the only girl I ever saw in Crazy House that was decent enough to barfine.
.. [/QUOTE]It is still alive and well in Crazy House and some other Bkk go-go bars.

Last week I popped into Crazy House and saw a girl I'd bought one LD for in Doll House Soi Cowboy ages ago but never took her. She must be mid 30's now and 5 kilos heavier with a butt pushing the envelope toward too big for my interest. But she still has great feeling silky smooth skin.

For the hell of it and to test this "the go-go girls are giving more now" theory I'd read about, I called her down for an LD. She tried to pull the "tequila and coke" scam on me. LOL. She also said absolutely No to Real Sex OR BBBJ+CIM with me with 2,500 baht to her sort of hanging in the air.

So much for that "more" theory and any notion of supposed desperation on the scene during these times. There was no other customer in the place at 9pm.

Then a couple of days later a girl in Rainbow 4 in Nana Plaza, lately merged with the crew from Rainbow 2 due to lack of customers, tried to pull the same "tequila and coke" scam on me. She was younger and better looking than the chubby older lady in Crazy House and the in bar chemistry could not have been sweeter after I shook her off the 2 LD scam. But she was another No to Real Sex OR BBBJ+CIM. And this time as much as 3,000 baht to her was sort of hanging in the air.

I do wonder what this "more" from go-go girls is that other punters and reports on sites like Stickman Bangkok are claiming the girls are now delivering during this dire economic downturn. 500-1000 baht discounts I can see happening and I am sure would have happened in those 2 cases if I had been interested in only the most dreary basic standard Thai P4P fare as it was in normal times. But, in my experience, "more" is not exactly flowing any more freely these days than during normal times.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2492716]You not understand Thai business. Music is played for Thai DJ's. They don't care what you think.

I wear ear protection if that helps. Occasionally you see a staff member with ear plugs too.[/QUOTE]Do they really need a DJ with 5 customers in the bar? Why not just create a playlist on a laptop, connect that to the speakers and play them at a reasonable volume? I think the customers would actually appreciate the change and it would save a lot of money. But I remember reading once I think on Stickman that a DJ refused to turn down the music so the bar manager in the Nana go-go bar threatened to sack him to which the DJ replied that if he tried that he'd have the manager shot.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2492775]I get the noise problem not just in go go's but in lots of bars also. It's actually a health and safety issue for those working in these places and as mentioned it's not going to entice in the over 50 target demographic.

Maybe it's just an age thing, I. E. If it's too loud you're too old.[/QUOTE]Loud music is the #1 reason that I don't spend more money in these bars. My normal process is to walk in, survey the situation, and walk out if the music is too loud or if there are no girls of interest. When I find a place that is acceptable, I'll order a drink. Will buy 1 it 2 lady drinks until I find what I want to bar fine. I almost never buy myself another drink. These places are too loud.

[QUOTE=*****man;2492856]Do they really need a DJ with 5 customers in the bar? [/QUOTE]Most DJ's in bars also act as an extra security guard in case trouble starts. Some may be 'connected' in some way <insert whatever you think the DJ may be connected to>.

[QUOTE=*****man;2492835]It doesn't bother you that each time you go to a bar like that you get a little bit deafer?[/QUOTE]Gogo bars aren't even loud compared to the nightclubs I used to go to every night in my 20's and early 30's. You know the ones where your heart feels like it's coming out of your chest! I loved it. The only monger club I have been to where music is too loud is FKK Mondial in Germany. Now that is some crazy loud in certain parts of the club. So loud they have free earplugs at the front door. You want loud in Thailand go to a real Thai disco. The girl is screaming at the top of her lungs right in to my ear and I can't hear sh1 t. The music is great though.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2492853]She also said absolutely No to Real Sex OR BBBJ+CIM with me with 2,500 baht to her sort of hanging in the air.

So much for that "more" theory and any notion of supposed desperation on the scene during these times.

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But she was another No to Real Sex OR BBBJ+CIM. And this time as much as 3,000 baht to her was sort of hanging in the air.[/QUOTE]

You're not offering to 'pay more' for BBFS like another member has told us to do numerous times already. We'll never learn I guess.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2493121]...
You're not offering to 'pay more' for BBFS like another member has told us to do numerous times already. We'll never learn I guess.[/QUOTE]haha. I think between those two situations the 2,500 and 3,000 baht sort of hanging in the air was 500-1,000 more than what a moderate negotiation would have resulted in with those girls these days if an upfront agreement for BBFS had not been part of the deal.

Maybe I should mention that in the time it took me to type out that brief report yesterday I had to field 4 Line messages from younger cuter new dating site girls offering to come over for BBFS+CIP for less baht than those go-go girls' fees that were sort of hanging in the air, no barfine and no LDs. And then I had to choose the most interesting one and turn down or postpone the others.

It's just that I also like the go-go bar experience and choose to partake in it as well for variety and the fun of it.

I still get takers for my requirements from go-go bar girls in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy at reasonable going rates. Not just from the dancers but also from servers if they are cute and charming enough to inspire me to go that way.

But I have not noticed it happening for me in greater percentages or the results in the room turning out to be better or in any way "more" now during this severe economic downturn than during normal times. If anything, it might be just a tad worse on those counts these days than during normal times.