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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2507490]I go for the best looking girl, period! I don't care if she works in a 700 baht BJ bar, is a 1500 baht FL on Soi 4, costs 2500 baht at Thermae, or works in a gogo bar. If she's the hottest girl I see that night and we seem to click and she has passed the service questions then she will be the girl I will select. The one thing I WILL NOT do is choose a Soi 4 FL who is a 6 or 7 over a Thermae girl I believe is an 8 because the Soi 4 girl is 1000 baht cheaper. It's only 1000 baht! It's not the end of the world especially for 95% of the guys who are only tourists.

As for gogo bars, guys who are cheap should never consider going to them.[/QUOTE]I am honestly curious how strictly one adheres to the "best looking, hottest girl I see that night, period!" standard. I suppose I should take the term "period!" to mean that you strictly adhere to it, 100%, absolutely with no exceptions for any reason ever. However, as someone who has never considered setting that as a must have standard for choosing a bed partner, I do wonder:

Let's say you meet a good looking girl in a bar. At that moment she is the best you have seen on this particular night. You seem to click really well and she enthusiastically passes your service questions interview. Then she goes to the toilet and during her absence in walks an even better looking, hotter girl who in a matter of 3 minutes establishes a reasonable amount of click with you and technically agrees to your service questions as well.

Now, if girl #1 is an 8 to girl #2's 9, is there nothing in the demeanor, personality, vibe or anything else about girl #1 that could possibly inspire you to choose her over girl #2 that night or any night in the future where both girls are present and available to take?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2507634]if girl #1 is an 8 to girl #2's 9, is there nothing in the demeanor, personality, vibe or anything else about girl #1 that could possibly inspire you to choose her over girl #2 that night or any night in the future where both girls are present and available to take?[/QUOTE]Now how often does this happen to you? Thankfully it does not occur very often to me, but when it does, how I handle it depends on what's is the situation like between myself #1. But first: 8's and 9's in BKK Go Go's? Not the ones I go to. 7.5* is about as good as it ever gets in the bes Go Go's these days and there are damn few of them. Then there are a handful of doable 6's around in the better Go Go's. The rest of the girls are 5's and less. Ok, I am tough grader. Sue me. 555.

But to answer your query; I have been in situations where the 1st girl is a 5.8 (kind of girl next door sexy & doable) and then I spot a 7 (a hottie). This is does not have to be bad situation. If I have already gotten friendly (hands on friendly) with girl #1 and I like her, then I stick with her even if she is 5. 8. I am such a nice guy! Nice is my middle name. But if I just bought a drink for girl #1 and nothing has happened yet except a little conversation before girl #2 shows up, I can offer #2 a drink too and I am free to take whoever I want. This happens all the time in Go Go's and bars. The plainer girls are used to it. That's life. But the moral of this is don't start up (getting user friendly) with a girl unless you are really interested. Of course, another option in the 2 girl scenario where the 2nd girl is the one you really want is to leave both girls and go to different bar, but before leaving the bar tell #2 that you have to run, but you will come back to see her soon. This strategy really works. I have employed it many times and the girl is always really happy to see me again knowing that I meant what I said and came back to see her. The 3rd and final option is to barfine them both. This is a good option if both girls are up for it, because the thing is, with a 5. 8* girl and a 7* girl; you never know who is going to be better in bed until everybody takes off their clothes and you get down to it. I have had some real surprises in this department. Believe me!

But you are so damn lucky to be in LOS right now. I really dislike you!

[QUOTE=Khundig;2506037]Yesterday I went to Watana Hotel in soi 17 of Ratchada road. This hotel has many rooms with freelance girls. You can find their ads on finfin.vip. A website for Thais looking for young students or freelancer. Hundreds of ads mainly in Thai but some are in English as well. You can connect to the girls via Line and chat with them. There are 4-5 Ukrainian and Russian women as well available. Met with Victoria, Ukrainian, maybe 35 years old. Nice body, good English. Good service for 1400/ h. That is usually the standard rate for most of the girls on that website. Sometime they ad 300 for CIM or A-levels. Good source to find pretty young girls in their condos or in a cheap hotel. Line ID via PM if interested.

Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Holy shit! How accurate are the pics?? They look really hot. And their rates are so much better than gogo bars. They advertise the pics are 100% accurate and you don't have to pay if they're not. But curious what people's experience has been here.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2507712]Now how often does this happen to you? Thankfully it does not occur very often to me, but when it does, how I handle it depends on what's is the situation like between myself #1. But first: 8's and 9's in BKK Go Go's? Not the ones I go to. 7.5* is about as good as it ever gets in the bes Go Go's these days and there are damn few of them. Then there are a handful of doable 6's around in the better Go Go's. The rest of the girls are 5's and less. Ok, I am tough grader. Sue me. 555.

But to answer your query; I have been in situations where the 1st girl is a 5.8 (kind of girl next door sexy & doable) and then I spot a 7 (a hottie). This is does not have to be bad situation. If I have already gotten friendly (hands on friendly) with girl #1 and I like her, then I stick with her even if she is 5. 8. I am such a nice guy! Nice is my middle name. But if I just bought a drink for girl #1 and nothing has happened yet except a little conversation before girl #2 shows up, I can offer #2 a drink too and I am free to take whoever I want. This happens all the time in Go Go's and bars. The plainer girls are used to it. That's life. But the moral of this is don't start up (getting user friendly) with a girl unless you are really interested. Of course, another option in the 2 girl scenario where the 2nd girl is the one you really want is to leave both girls and go to different bar, but before leaving the bar tell #2 that you have to run, but you will come back to see her soon. This strategy really works. I have employed it many times and the girl is always really happy to see me again knowing that I meant what I said and came back to see her. The 3rd and final option is to barfine them both. This is a good option if both girls are up for it, because the thing is, with a 5. 8* girl and a 7* girl; you never know who is going to be better in bed until everybody takes off their clothes and you get down to it. I have had some real surprises in this department. Believe me!

But you are so damn lucky to be in LOS right now. I really dislike you![/QUOTE]Well, I just used a hypothetical example of two girls in the same bar or club (not necessarily a Bangkok go-go bar), one an 8 and the other a 9 for the sake of simplicity. I realize that exact siruation won't come up very often in any one bar.

However, as in BB's statements about it and when you broaden the playing field to include a girl you saw and met in Thermae at 10pm and a girl you saw and met in Billboard go-go bar at 11pm, it can at least realistically come down to a choice between a 7.0 girl here and a 7.5 girl there. So if each girl seems to click with you sufficiently and each answers the service questions positively, it sounds as though a "best looking, hottest girl I see that night, period!" standard-bearer must always go for the 7.5 girl regardless of the demeanor, personal charms or enthusiasm of the 7.0 girl, no?

LOL. And yes I understand the feelings of those on the outside vs those of us on the inside of Thailand's borders now. Not that it will make it any better but I can only say, as I have said and suggested occasionally in my reports and comments, that the environment and girl options here at this time are no where near what they were during normal times. So if you considered yourself a "tough grader" during normal times, grading on a curve now would definitely lower your standards on looks and service more than ever before, imo.

That said, I am damn glad I had no reason to leave Thailand for a visit to my home country or anywhere else in the past several months only to find myself locked out for however long as happened with many of my fellow expats and friends.

I've always been curious about how this ubiquitous 1 to 10 rating of girls works. I get that it's a wholly subjective analysis of how attractive a girl is which in itself makes it somewhat useless but what I find almost farcical is when it's broken down into decimalized fractions. She was a 7 but her friend was a 7.5 umm actually no now that I look at her again she is only a 7. 4 and I never go below a 7.5.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2507634]Let's say you meet a good looking girl in a bar. At that moment she is the best you have seen on this particular night. You seem to click really well and she enthusiastically passes your service questions interview. Then she goes to the toilet and during her absence in walks an even better looking, hotter girl who in a matter of 3 minutes establishes a reasonable amount of click with you and technically agrees to your service questions as well.

Now, if girl #1 is an 8 to girl #2's 9, is there nothing in the demeanor, personality, vibe or anything else about girl #1 that could possibly inspire you to choose her over girl #2 that night or any night in the future where both girls are present and available to take?[/QUOTE]Depends who girl #1 was. If it's a girl I would like to keep as a possible repeat girl and this is a gogo bar I go to regularly I would not flip to a new unknown girl. I would, however, get the Line ID of girl #2 for a meet up later that night or the next day. Now if I'm just doing a fly by monthly visit to Thermae I'm more than likely going to switch for the hotter girl. I would bolt ASAP before the other girl returned and make up some creative excuse when I return for girl #1 in 90 minutes.

The closest I have had to a scenario like this was when I was out with my regular freebie girl on Walking Street one night. I consider her to be top 5 in all the gogo girls I have ever met. We go out to discos almost every free night she is not on shift. One night we were in Mandarin of all places and a girl we knew working there said there was someone she wanted me to meet. She went upstairs and brought down easily one of the Top 3 best best looking gogo girls I had ever seen. Possibly the best. She was new. Model face, thin, perfect large natural tits, and spoke perfect English. Could have been a mix. I stuck with my Freebie Girl because I didn't want to risk messing things up. I never saw that other girl again walking in and out of Mandarin numerous times asking for her. It was like no one knew who she was which may have been true if she only worked 1 night.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;2507712] but before leaving the bar tell #2 that you have to run, but you will come back to see her soon. This strategy really works. I have employed it many times and the girl is always really happy to see me again knowing that I meant what I said and came back to see her.[/QUOTE]

This is a very good point. If for some reason I'm unable to go with the hot girl on a given night I will make sure she knows I will be back to see her. I do this by handing her 100 baht while she is sitting with a customer or with me or tip her 100 baht on stage. When I return in a night or two she will be right beside me knowing I'm a potential target and not a Cheap Charlie.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;2507712] because the thing is, with a 5. 8* girl and a 7* girl; you never know who is going to be better in bed until everybody takes off their clothes and you get down to it. I have had some real surprises in this department. Believe me![/QUOTE]

Reminds me of a duo I had in Montreal. Girl #1 was really pretty and girl #2 had a killer body but not so pretty face. So not good that I almost rejected them at the door because of girl #2's face. The session began with me solely concentrating on girl #1. She was one of these I'm too hot for you girls so it didn't take long to switch to girl #2. Girl #2 was a dynamo and really passionate. She was very enjoyable. Girl #1 basically sat in a corner of the room for 45 minutes and Girl #2 was rocking my world. I repeated with girl #2 on subsequent trips and friends I know also enjoyed her a lot even though we are all face guys first.

[QUOTE=BonkHanky;2507563]Heard That Some of beer bars don't allow girls to sleep with customers is it true?[/QUOTE]

Not common but there are the odd girls here and there that don't sleep with customers. Some are the owners girlfriend. On the rare occasion you will meet a gogo girl who does not barfine with anyone at all. I know of only 2 in Pattaya. However, the more likely scenariof a girl saying she does not barfine or sleep with a guy is that she finds you unappealing for one of many reasons. I think Thaniya Road in Patpong is a place where Farang will be shot down often. If you lack confidence in girls go to Soapies. They are not allowed to say no to guys without facing severe fines.

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[QUOTE=BonkHanky;2507563]Heard some of beer bars don't allow girls to sleep with customers is it true? Means as per my knowledge we can take girls out by hourly or day by paying bar fine isn't it. What kind of bars do not allow girls to go outside and how about the scene in a-gogo bar. Can good hearted monger please explain and my purpose is to take the girl with me for full night from any of the above means if I like the girl very much is it possible I can take them to my hotel for night.

I am really confused about beer bar / a-gogo bar / Nude dancing bar / Massage / Blow job Bars / Soappy Bars.[/QUOTE]All of these questions are very basic.

Short answer: Almost every girl you see in a go go bar, massage place, blowjob bar, soapy or oily will have sex in exchange for money. This excludes the girls who serve drinks and the mamasan. Usually the girl will stay with you for one or two hours. This is called "short time," and it can take place at your hotel or in a "short time hotel. " Your desire for a "full night" at your hotel is possible, at a higher price. This is known as "long time." Some girls prefer short time sessions and refuse to do long time.

You really need to go back 100 pages in all of the Thailand forums and read the posts. This will fill in the details. Reading your original post I suspect that English is not your mother tongue, and reading the previous posts will likely be a challenge. But there is simply no other way to learn how the naughty boy scene works in Bangkok and Pattaya. Nobody is going to waste time answering very basic questions that have all been answered before.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2507774]I've always been curious about how this ubiquitous 1 to 10 rating of girls works. I get that it's a wholly subjective analysis of how attractive a girl is which in itself makes it somewhat useless but what I find almost farcical is when it's broken down into decimalized fractions. She was a 7 but her friend was a 7.5 umm actually no now that I look at her again she is only a 7. 4 and I never go below a 7.5.[/QUOTE]Years ago a group of my buddies discussed this. One thought was that 10% of girls fall into each of the 10 categories. So, 10% were 9's. The other thought was the average girl is a 5 and so are all the girls within 1 standard deviation. One standard deviation above are 6's, two standard deviations above are 7's. By the time you get to a 9, very few exist in the world.

Even with the concept of 10% in each group, men often dont agree who is a 6 and who is an 8. It's silly to differentiate between a 7 and a 7. 5.

A couple years ago Syzygies mentioned a celebrity who he thought was a hottie so I looked her up online. Her pictures did nothing for me, I would have rated her a 6. And so it goes.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2507951]Years ago a group of my buddies discussed this. One thought was that 10% of girls fall into each of the 10 categories. So, 10% were 9's. The other thought was the average girl is a 5 and so are all the girls within 1 standard deviation. One standard deviation above are 6's, two standard deviations above are 7's. By the time you get to a 9, very few exist in the world.

Even with the concept of 10% in each group, men often dont agree who is a 6 and who is an 8. It's silly to differentiate between a 7 and a 7. 5.

A couple years ago Syzygies mentioned a celebrity who he thought was a hottie so I looked her up online. Her pictures did nothing for me, I would have rated her a 6. And so it goes.[/QUOTE]I'm with the standard deviation view as this would be more scientific than the flat 10% allocation. But this whole subjective allocation of points based system is better than word based description, especially if pics are included, thus for example if you were to post a pic of a 7, then in future when you say you met a 8, I would have a in the ballpark idea of how attractive she was. This is more helpful than posts which say I met a 19 yr old hottie / cutie etc etc, which has zero qualitative value for an objective audience.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2507956]I'm with the standard deviation view as this would be more scientific than the flat 10% allocation. But this whole subjective allocation of points based system is better than word based description, especially if pics are included, thus for example if you were to post a pic of a 7, then in future when you say you met a 8, I would have a in the ballpark idea of how attractive she was. This is more helpful than posts which say I met a 19 yr old hottie / cutie etc etc, which has zero qualitative value for an objective audience.[/QUOTE]Many posters are interested in sharing their experiences in order to cite or track a trend one way or another in a particular venue or option but are not keen on convincing everyone on the internet to seek out a favorite provider of theirs and keep her booked up and busy for the next several weeks. I think that is at least partially the reason posters don't post pics of their best or favorite girls.

I for one would never post a clear pic of a girl I was having great sex with in this hobby or specifically identify her by name, location or badge number for a couple of reasons. One, if she is really hot and provides me with no hassle Real Sex/BBFS+CIP at a reasonable price that is a rare enough find in Thai P4P and no way am I going to promote her on the internet only to help keep her so busy I can't get a next booking in edgewise. Lol.

And, two, there is no way I would subject a great Real Sex/BBFS-CIP provider to the possibility of being confronted, lectured, scolded, counseled, "re-educated" or in any other way hassled and talked out of continuing to provide that for me by the many anti Real Sex/BBFS-CIP zealots on the net.

And then there is the issue of protecting a girl's privacy and not giving a boyfiend, sponsor or husband who might find his way on this site not really by chance an excuse to beat the crap out of her or cut off her support. Unless she is already posting her pics on an escort site or something like that. Even then her significant other might not be fine and dandy with discovering she is providing BBFS+CIP with customers every now and then.

Imo mentioning a general area a girl can usually be found, the bar or club and, yes, even whether she is more cute or sexy, above average looking or not, much better than average looking or not, slim vs chubby, tallish vs short, light skin vs dark, etc is still making an effort to hook up readers and the entire internet with a girl in question if someone is really interested in having sex with the exact same girl out of hundreds out there in the exact same way as me or others here.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2507951]Years ago a group of my buddies discussed this. One thought was that 10% of girls fall into each of the 10 categories. So, 10% were 9's. The other thought was the average girl is a 5 and so are all the girls within 1 standard deviation. One standard deviation above are 6's, two standard deviations above are 7's. By the time you get to a 9, very few exist in the world.

Even with the concept of 10% in each group, men often dont agree who is a 6 and who is an 8. It's silly to differentiate between a 7 and a 7. 5.

A couple years ago Syzygies mentioned a celebrity who he thought was a hottie so I looked her up online. Her pictures did nothing for me, I would have rated her a 6. And so it goes.[/QUOTE]Most human attributes are roughly normally distributed (bell-shaped). Assuming the mean is below 8, you'd expect a lot more 8's than 9's and a lot more 9's than 10's. And there would be more 5's then 4's, etc. On the way down. If you'd ask me, I'd have said that something like 2% of 20-year-olds are 10's, 5% are 9's, 15% are 8's, 25% are 7's, 25% are 6's, 15% are 5's, etc.

Research suggests that there is more agreement about attractiveness than disagreement. One study found a correlation of. 9 between an individual man's ranking and that of the group of men as whole, which is remarkably high. But don't tell that to the "4" because it will make her feel bad. Tell them "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". There is some room for personal taste, of course (some like tall, but I prefer short). But much of the differences in ratings are perhaps just because people use the scale differently. For example, you and your buddy have largely similar rankings, but you call the 90th percentile a 7. 5 and he calls it a 10. The rankings show a higher correlation.

Interestingly, women seem to not agree nearly so much about the attractiveness of men. Also, people's ratings of their own attractiveness are almost uncorrelated with what the opposite sex things. This is especially true for men. Men are so clueless.

[QUOTE=*****man;2507819]If you really think Pattaya and Nana hookers are the cream of the crop in Thailand it just shows how limited your experience is.[/QUOTE]Yes I only know so much after a single 12 hour layover in Bangkok. I will learn greatly from your future posts and look forward to your photos of these hot girls my limited experience hasn't shown me. Thank you for your anticipated contributions.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2507936]You really need to go back 100 pages in all of the Thailand forums and read the posts. This will fill in the details.[/QUOTE]

I would add concentrate on posts prior to February, 2020. Actual reviews since after Feb 2020 reviews are few and far between due to COVID. You may want to also concentrate on the guys who actually live in Thailand like Mr. E, LBM, ET, Goats, MP, Syzygies, and myself.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2508001]And, two, there is no way I would subject a great Real Sex/BBFS-CIP provider to the possibility of being confronted, lectured, scolded, counseled, "re-educated" or in any other way hassled and talked out of continuing to provide that for me by the many anti Real Sex/BBFS-CIP zealots on the net.[/QUOTE]Lots of good stuff in your post ET but you really need to relax and not get so animated about so called Real Sex / BBFS-CIP.

As to this roving band of missionary zealots trawling the net to find pics or presumably with nothing better to do than frequenting go go's, bars and other P4P venues confronting girls willing to go BB CIP and then lecturing scolding counseling "reeducating" hassling them for doing so. Come on ET you are better than promoting this paranoid nonsense. In point of fact I would suggest that if there is any persuading or cajoling going on it is more likely coming from the punter wanting to change girls who don't do Real Sex / BBFS-CIP by for example offering them more money to do so or even worse the idiot who whips off the condom without the girl's permission or her knowledge.

[QUOTE=Pwrmnd;2508002]Most human attributes are roughly normally distributed (bell-shaped). Assuming the mean is below 8, you'd expect a lot more 8's than 9's and a lot more 9's than 10's. And there would be more 5's then 4's, etc. On the way down. If you'd ask me, I'd have said that something like 2% of 20-year-olds are 10's, 5% are 9's, 15% are 8's, 25% are 7's, 25% are 6's, 15% are 5's, etc.

Research suggests that there is more agreement about attractiveness than disagreement. One study found a correlation of. 9 between an individual man's ranking and that of the group of men as whole, which is remarkably high. But don't tell that to the "4" because it will make her feel bad. Tell them "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". There is some room for personal taste, of course (some like tall, but I prefer short). But much of the differences in ratings are perhaps just because people use the scale differently. For example, you and your buddy have largely similar rankings, but you call the 90th percentile a 7. 5 and he calls it a 10. The rankings show a higher correlation.

Interestingly, women seem to not agree nearly so much about the attractiveness of men. Also, people's ratings of their own attractiveness are almost uncorrelated with what the opposite sex things. This is especially true for men. Men are so clueless.[/QUOTE]Women don't range from 1-10, they go from 0-4 .

A 0 is a woman you wouldn't f**k.

A 1 is a woman that you would f**k.

A 2 is a woman that you'd go down on and then f**k.

A 3 is a woman you'd f**k then go down on.

A 4 is a woman you'd go down on after your buddy f**ked her.

Thus ended the lesson.