Moscow

Yummy, I have nothing to say it's just a great report. I had read most of it. Very very useful. Did you post the pics of socks in anywhere? I am really curious. Appreiciate your talent, dedication and effort firstly doing all these things in moscow and then to put all these such detailed reports. You even put pics. What can I say? Many things to learn from you. I will keep following. Cheers.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1441059]The "serious" part was when I made considerations and tried to answer his question, if those girls would have behaved like that also with somebody else. Actually I didn't write it clearly, but my answer is yes, and not just with "somebody else", but with whoever else could take them out to 200$ dinner restaurants, was brilliant-spending, could talk about future holiday-trips together, etc.[/QUOTE]EG, first I took absolutely no offense to your post. I did find it humorous and interesting and I understood your intent.

Although I do agree to a certain extent that spending money on them is a key factor (except for my Ukrainian Marxist) , I think you discount too much other factors like intelligence, culture, sophistication, humor, and conversational skills. As I said, I wrote to hundreds. Both sides have a selection process. A $200 dinner for a night in bed is a lot different than a $200 cash payment. I truly believe it is much closer to regular dating than prostitution.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1441019]BTW--Yummy, were any of the women you met mothers?[/QUOTE]No. ..At least not that they said...too much emotional baggage for me.

Dear Yummy (can I call you dear? I'm starting loving you too, LOL!) ,

I'm glad to read that you understood what I meant and that there is no problem with what I wrote. I'm sure also Strav understood, I fully agree with his statement "So, all sex is paid for, one way or another. We just choose the method of payment that suits us best", which is what I mean too. You are truly right when you mention "other factors like intelligence, culture, sophistication, humor, and conversational skills", they are important even with pros, semi pros and in any kind of relationship. It's not that I underestimate them, but, being straight, how big the "natural attraction" can be for a girl to go with a man who could be her father or grandfather, like is probably the case of the most members of this forum? She should be more geared towards youngsters of her age, or a little bit older, surely not 26 years or more (I'm speaking in general, not just about you). The "great push" obviously comes from $, whether straight or indirect. I reckon the very most of members of this forum must be 45-60 years old, because, especially nowadays, young people probably don't have money enough to travel and splash out, apart from probably still believing in feelings or not needing to monger too much.

I'm slightly younger and look much younger than I am (but don't put me in your list please,.) , tonight I picked a pretty SW I hadn't seen for a while 'cause she was back home, she told me to give her a call tomorrow afternoon (she works only in the evening) to meet up (for free) and hang around. She has a very pretty face, not perfect body, but still good, and is very funny, but I could well be her father, I don't know if I will, one thing is to have sex, one thing is to stroll around. Not to brag about me, but I've always had as great as unexplicable success with SW, wherever they came from, in the years (2 of them years ago even fought in the street for jealousy, a real disaster and a big problem to handle, still "famous event" once in a while friends recall) and sometimes also with girls working in flats, many times I have (and had) problems when I must pick up one to take the right paths not to be seen by "colleagues", as I posted last night the second girl smelled the perfume of an obvious previous colleague's kleenex and gave me hard time.

For completeness of information, note that: I'm not beautiful at all, probably the contrary;

As all girls say, and I've always been well reknown for that, I'm one of the worst kinds of customer, because I need a lot of time to release (if I do) , I pay shameful lowest (compared to what they normally ask other customers) prices, I want BBBJ with CIM (amazingly, nearly all of them do and did it only with me and nobody else, is it credible?) or fuck them to death, since normally with me there is no clockwatching nor further payout, anyway nearly always I must go out of peak hours, because quick and bigger spenders have obvious priority;

I'm always complaining I'm poor and moneyless, some of them have "visited" my 34 square meters studio, sometimes, since at times it's possible to meet up in daytime, even giving a cleaning!

My friends have been wondering for years how can that be, and got no valid reason yet. It could be "other factors like intelligence, culture, humor, and conversational skills" (note that I cancelled sophistication)? Maybe, but we are not talking about high class escorts or dated girls. I would reckon more likely that they see in me a possible fish,"less worse" than old or fat guys, who could rescue them from that life, and from my "platform" maybe eventually they could jump to a higher one.

So, be always wary, make the most of it and don't indulge too much in feelings, when a bigger fish comes you'll be quickly dumped (and forgotten) , perhaps Marina (is the right name of the girl you didn't meet and then cancelled her profile?) caught in her net a bigger and / or easier prey.

Just my 2 cents (I hope I won't spend too much more tomorrow, LOL!)

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[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1440909]EastGoing, I only did a few steps to 'hide' my activities with multiple girls. I already mentioned hiding the roses previous girls had left. I washed towels as needed and I changed the sheets one time. Otherwise I just let it go. I didn't do anything about scents, and I didn't pull any hair out of my brush after they used it.

A wise person on this forum made an interesting comment a while back. I think it was very telling. I forget who it was but I remember what he said. It was something along the lines of (simple paraphrase) : 'Russian women like that their man is good enough to attract multiple women and they are happy they are among those women that are good enough to be chosen. ' While I am sure that is not true with all of them, I do think it is part of their culture. Just don't throw it in their face.

Also, while this forum may be most oriented to direct P4P, it seems the FSU threads have a long history of discussing alternatives to direct P4P.[/QUOTE]Yummy,

Great report indeed. Clearly you are a master of preparation.

As far as hiding activities, I do believe that the quote you refer to comes from the late, great Dr Skank who was renown for setting up multiple dates in one day. And I whole heartedly agree with the notion. I currently date two "regulars" who, regularly come to my apartment for sex. One often stays the night the other never stays the night. Each of them leave odds and ends behind. A toothbrush here, a t-shirt there (And just for the the record there are NO feminine hygiene products in my flat). I am SURE they both know that they are not the "only one". One even jokes about my "babnyk" tendencies. I think there's almost a competitive spirit at work here for my attention.

As Western men, isn't it great to be on this side of the equation for a change? Let me offer an interesting anecdote. There's a expat bar near my flat that I often frequent. The only problem with expat bars is that in addition to expat guys, sometimes expat women show up. And take if from me, there is nothing more amusing than a drunk (but otherwise attractive) British, American, Aussie, Canadian, Kiwi woman in an expat bar in Moscow crying her eyes out because she can't get the attention of men in Moscow. Western men don't want them because, let's face it guys, in Moscow we don't need them. And the Russian guys who come to expat bars sure as HELL don't want them for reasons I am sure you are all aware of. There's one American girl in particular, who will drone on and one to anyone who will listen about how wrong it is for Western guys to come to Moscow and be with gorgeous Russian girls whom otherwise they would stand no chance with back home. The law of the jungle prevails!

Come on back to Moscow any time Yummy. The P4P action is not what it used to be, but it makes for good sport. Not that you need it with prep skills like yours!

[QUOTE=Jake993]And take if from me, there is nothing more amusing than a drunk (but otherwise attractive) British, American, Aussie, Canadian, Kiwi woman in an expat bar in Moscow crying her eyes out because she can't get the attention of men in Moscow.[/QUOTE]There is one thing more amusing a drunk (and otherwise good looking in Russia) Russian guy in a expat Russian club in the west, with his man bag, crying his eyes out because he can't get a girl in the west. Western girls find Russian men unattractive and once here they have no chance with Russian girls. As one of my exes said when I asked her why she never went to any Russian expat clubs. She said they were just full of desperate Russian guys. I couldn't argue.

[QUOTE=Jonners;1441724]There is one thing more amusing a drunk (and otherwise good looking in Russia) Russian guy in a expat Russian club in the west, with his man bag, crying his eyes out because he can't get a girl in the west. Western girls find Russian men unattractive and once here they have no chance with Russian girls. As one of my exes said when I asked her why she never went to any Russian expat clubs. She said they were just full of desperate Russian guys. I couldn't argue.[/QUOTE]I loled. If only they could understand the treasures they have. Sales representative are generally chosen from good looking guys and girls. But the company I visited in Russia had gorgeous girls whom should be considered gorgeous by any standard but they were considered average there.

I will be visiting Moscow again next week. I'm trying to find some women through rusdosug. I wish I had the time to go to some bars.

I'll be staying at tulskaya azimut hotel. Last time I was in Moscow it was cold and we couldn't get out of the hotel. This time I might be able to walk around late at night. Is it safe to go around in Tulskaya? My only other alternative right now is to call an escort and enjoy time with whoever shows up in front door.

OK, I am headed back to Moscow in a few weeks. Should I branch out or stick with my "freebies"? Any special investigation requests from my friends here?

Anyone in Moscow interested in going out? I should be there around 26 July.

[QUOTE=Jonners;1441724]There is one thing more amusing a drunk (and otherwise good looking in Russia) Russian guy in a expat Russian club in the west, with his man bag, crying his eyes out because he can't get a girl in the west. Western girls find Russian men unattractive and once here they have no chance with Russian girls. As one of my exes said when I asked her why she never went to any Russian expat clubs. She said they were just full of desperate Russian guys. I couldn't argue.[/QUOTE]Well here's a novel concept. A Russian expat club! Didn't know such things existed. Where would I find something like this?

I've been to Brighton Beach several times and never saw anything like a Russian expat club. :P

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1441874]Well here's a novel concept. A Russian expat club! Didn't know such things existed. Where would I find something like this?

I've been to Brighton Beach several times and never saw anything like a Russian expat club. :P[/QUOTE]Strav. I shall take you comment above at face value and ignore potential sarcasm. You will note I said club not nightclub. Just like any expat club in any major city in the world the Russian expat clubs are there for expats and the majority of people have no intention of settling in the country they live in. I think Brighton beach is mainly full of immigrants so maybe they arent needed. The clubs organise cultural evenings ie if the bolshoi is touring, networking events, dinners and social events and of course trips to bars. I personally find them very useful to practise my Russian so I don't forget it when I'm not there. Anyway not really much to do with Moscow or girls so if anyone does want more info PM me.

[QUOTE=Jonners;1442135]You will note I said club not nightclub.[/QUOTE]OK, I understand, you're talking about a social club--a group of friends or acquaintances with a common ethnic or cultural background who get together and organize social or cultural events. Nothing indicative of the general experience of Russian expats or immigrants and certainly nothing akin to the many public watering holes in Moscow where expats hang out.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1441847]OK, I am headed back to Moscow in a few weeks. Should I branch out or stick with my "freebies"?[/QUOTE]Yummy,

Why not do both? If your current Russian girlfriends are comfortable with the understanding that the relationship is not exclusive, then why not take off and branch out. I'm sure Jake will be happy to point you in the direction of some fertile hunting grounds.

The only problem will be if that iPad translator thingamajiggey craps out on you at a crucial moment, you will have to think fast on your feet. Based on your recent experience, I shouldn't think that would be a problem for you.

[quote=jonners;1441724]there is one thing more amusing a drunk (and otherwise good looking in russia) russian guy in a expat russian club in the west, with his man bag, crying his eyes out because he can't get a girl in the west. western girls find russian men unattractive and once here they have no chance with russian girls. as one of my exes said when i asked her why she never went to any russian expat clubs. she said they were just full of desperate russian guys. i couldn't argue.[/quote]wow. i am speechless. i never really though about that but that makes total sense. question: how do russian speaking western guys do with russian girls in expat clubs in the west? that's probably a rhetorical question because once russian girls get to the west they probably become quickly un-datable.

[QUOTE=WanderTheWorld; 1441759]I loled. If only they could understand the treasures they have. Sales representative are generally chosen from good looking guys and girls. But the company I visited in Russia had gorgeous girls whom should be considered gorgeous by any standard but they were considered average there.

I will be visiting Moscow again next week. I'm trying to find some women through rusdosug. I wish I had the time to go to some bars.

I'll be staying at tulskaya azimut hotel. Last time I was in Moscow it was cold and we couldn't get out of the hotel. This time I might be able to walk around late at night. Is it safe to go around in Tulskaya? My only other alternative right now is to call an escort and enjoy time with whoever shows up in front door.[/QUOTE]Tulskaya is not bad. The nightlife is not terrible in that area. Don't laugh, but you may want to check out the 3rd level of the Eravan Plaza Shopping Mall. There are a few restaurants there (TGI Friday's, Itazh, etc) where some fairly hot chicks hang out at night.