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Nice post Sagramore. You are not alone in your spiritual tug of war and most of the guys I know encounter the same dilemma. I think the problem is that it's just so easy here and the women so lovely that it's not possible to resist for very long. You should hhowever, keep in mind, that living here is not without its frustrations as well. As in most third world countries, things do not work here as well as they do in the West. The general administrative incompetence, at all levels, is sometimes diificult to deal with, espeically if you're trying to get something accomplished in the business sector.

Let me know when you plan on coming to Davao, and I'll take you up on the beer, if not the night of debauchery.

:D

GE

Hi sagramore
I will be more then happy to have a beer with you either in Manila or Cebu.Curious to get your take on deflowering virgins,Cheers

GE,

I will probably be in Davao either the last week of November or the first week in December; it would be my pleasure to share a drink or debauchery.

You bring up an interesting point about just how easy it is to find and bed the lovely women of the Philippines, yes it’s so easy for us foreigner guys to get lucky, the question of the day is; do Filipino men enjoy the same success that we Westerners do? I do not know the answer to this, I would be curious to know of other opinions on this subject.

Cheers,

Sagramore

Hi Cebu Local,

It would be great to share a beer or ten while discussing the virtues of deflowering virgins, perhaps an appropriate place for said discussion could be a dimly lit smoky bar with loud music and dancing girls. ;)

Cheers!

Sagramore

Sagramore:
Just send me a PM after you have confirmed your dates for Davao and we'll get together. We can even introduce you to a "normal" woman or two.

The answer to your question is that it's not as easy for most Filipinos. however, for those with decent educations and well-paying jobs, it's not too difficult either. I work with a few such guys and they do just fine. How ver, those guys can't offer them the hope of getting out of here, while we of course can.
GE

[QUOTE=Sagramore]GE,

I will probably be in Davao either the last week of November or the first week in December; it would be my pleasure to share a drink or debauchery.

You bring up an interesting point about just how easy it is to find and bed the lovely women of the Philippines, yes it’s so easy for us foreigner guys to get lucky, the question of the day is; do Filipino men enjoy the same success that we Westerners do? I do not know the answer to this, I would be curious to know of other opinions on this subject.

Cheers,

Sagramore[/QUOTE]IMHO I hang out a lot with the Local elite and can say that the rich or powerful or good looking ones do quite well ,Thank you.There are a lot of freebies available to local men in the above 3 categories.Sunflower is one such place in Cebu,just my 2 centavos opinion

In the Philippines we often barfine LT girls that probably don't want to be with you. Many are innocent and don't know how to play the game. I have found an effective tactic that works surprisingly often. "Sure you can go home early, but first I want your ass." I was shocked how this was accepted. In 5 times 3 capitualted and left their cherries behind and the other 2 stayed.

Please ask to go home early babe.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]Perhaps start a new bus service Manila - AC for foreign visitors. Fly-the-Bus has monopolized the route with buses that can only be called junk. The buses are very old discarded Japanese used vehicles and I am sure not safe. Many people have experienced breakdowns in transit, including myself. Have more pick-up points and have very very friendly beautiful stewardesses on the new bus service with a private partitioned area at the back![/QUOTE]If anyone needs, I have a GREAT contact (driver) that I have used for years that has door-to-door service as well as "hook-up" help...

n_r

Where should I look for a multi night deal in the Manila area?? I will try and travel to Cebo and Bahol for a 2-3 night stay and get back to the Manila area around the 15th day of december. I am flying out on the 28th day of dec. I just was thinking of a weekley rate stay hotel or suite. I do not need the ritz but a nice clean setting would be my request.

Sagramore,

Your post inspired me to do my own first post on since about 3 months ago (is the WSG name still used around here) because I share some of the same ways of thinking and have become "a changed man" from spending time in the Phils. I've been posting and lurking on WSG since about 1995.

Some of you have maybe seen my posts before. I've had an IT business in Cebu for 1 year now. I fly back and forth between the US and Cebu. I have a wife in the US and that is an impossible situation. Had I known I'd start the biz I would not have married.

I work about 80 hours a week when in cebu so I don't even have time to meet girls. This is not hard for me if I had time, as I have the look the Cebuanos love in Americans. I also don't have any trouble meeting very attractive woman in the US who will fuck (but it takes so much longer and it's not 1/10 as easy!)

So, out of sheer lack of time I've spent countless nights in the bars in Cebu when I could just go out and meet someone. I generally go into bars like a hawk: very goal oriented. I don't let girls approach me: I find the best looking/best attititue (for my tastes) and swoop in on her when I know who she is

Sometimes I go to 5 bars in 40 minutes doing quick surveys to see if I want to wait a bit more before spending the time to talk up someone that really looks like they would be a worthy catch. Rush, rush, rush: that's me in the Phils.

At this point I'd say I've had 4 girlfriends over the past year who I met in bars. I like the arrangement, because they let me fool around on the side (they are!) but I don't have to spend money on them any more than a regular girlfriend.

What is very interesting from my last stay is that some of the girls in the bars only let themselves be bar-fined a couple times a month or less. That was the case with my latest "girlfriend" from a bar. While I was with her for about 6 weeks she only left the bar with 1 other guy. She let me fool around a little with other bar girls at other bars but just a little. She will let and must let guys buy lady drinks, which means they're feeling her up, but she doesn't leave with them. Believe me, she gets A LOT of drinks. I don't know if she tells guys that she won't be "available" in advance.

I like that the girls can choose to not be bar-fined. This is a decent way for some of them to make some quick cash for a couple months if they come out of a family with no money (she got part way through college and dropped out when they money ended).

If you are lucky, you will find girls (in my case one of the hottest/best attitiude girls I've met in bars) that you treat very nicely -- and if you have what they would look for in a Western boyfriend (and MONEY does not have to be the big factor)-- they will spend time with you and just dance while at work (I know, you're all saying she's full of shit and she just doesn't tell me that she's leaving with 65 year old guys 3 days a week, but I have my ways of knowing that she just dances and leaves the bar once every month or so, one of which is that I call her at bar-close without advance notice and ask her to meet me).

So, if you live in the phils or are there for a LONG vaca and are VERY busy like me, this is a good alternative. Oh, and i'm not wealthy-- every cent is in the biz.

As far as mongering, I don't know what to do about my passion for fucking at least 10 different girls a month (when i don't have the "girlfriend" arrangement I used to do that all the time). I treat woman well and there's nothing I love more than tasting the flavor of so many woman. I do think sleeping with many women, if they enjoy it and it's mutual which it is for me most of the time because I go out of my way to please them in bed, is about the most enjoyable thing I know of in life.

So, to leave my marraige or not...that is the 1 mm USD question. Trouble is lately my wife and I get along well which wasn't the case before. I HATE the lies and for SURE she will find out one day. This biz of mine in the Phils with a small office in the US is not going away in the next 10 years.

Well that's my Sunday ramble. Back to WORK for me.

Hi Wander Luster,

So you peaked my curiosity or I'm just being nosey. Is your wife Asian? American? born in the USA?

Thanks,

FF

Wunder Luster: Nice post and I'm sure most of it is true from my experience in the Philippines. What I do doubt though is your US wife's part of this. No woman is happy in a relationship being left alone for long periods of a time whilst their 'husband' is (as she well knows) working 'hard' for her. I would suggest and guess that she is working as hard as you. Just my 50 centavos.

Hey there!

I am considering where in Asia to go for about 2 1/2 weeks. One thing I love to do on my trips is to chase girls, for sure. While I'm not above going for a pro now and then, I generally like to go places where I(as a very fit,31 year old American) have a good shot at meeting non-pros at clubs, etc. It's usually hit or moss and I don't get upset if nothing come up. So, I have two questions about Phillipines:

1. How easy is it to meet women here? I realize this is subjective but your best opinion is most welcome.

2. What is the safety situation like? I've done some searching here and gotten a little info., but would like some current opinions. I know all about the south,but what's it like in Manila? Cebu? Angeles city? How is it compared to Thailand? Mexico?

I've searched both of these topics here but would love your opinion. Wherever I go, I'll make sure and report back(w/pics...bwah-ha-ha!!).

S-

#1- easy in the extreme. You will not meet a more flirtaious girl in the world than the Filipina. All, not just the pros.

#2- IMHO, if you stick to the tourist areas, I would say that the RP is a little more danergous than Thailand, but not greatly so. and a little safer than TJ.

You will quite probably get different opinions.

FD

[QUOTE=Sam5935]Hey there!

I am considering where in Asia to go for about 2 1/2 weeks. One thing I love to do on my trips is to chase girls, for sure. While I'm not above going for a pro now and then, I generally like to go places where I(as a very fit,31 year old American) have a good shot at meeting non-pros at clubs, etc. It's usually hit or moss and I don't get upset if nothing come up. So, I have two questions about Phillipines:

1. How easy is it to meet women here? I realize this is subjective but your best opinion is most welcome.

2. What is the safety situation like? I've done some searching here and gotten a little info., but would like some current opinions. I know all about the south,but what's it like in Manila? Cebu? Angeles city? How is it compared to Thailand? Mexico?

I've searched both of these topics here but would love your opinion. Wherever I go, I'll make sure and report back(w/pics...bwah-ha-ha!!).

Sam,

If I was you I would go and visit both Manila/Makati and Angelas City.
The reason I prefer both is you get to experience two different types of atmospheres. In Manila, especially on Burgos Street you will get overwhelmed with attention. When you walk into a bar there it is like walking into a atmosphere where you will feel like the party is made especially for you. It is almost like a fantasy happening or you are in a dream world!. Immediately you have groups of girls surrounding you and trying to talk to you as well as hustle you for drinks, which you do not do as the prices are high there for ladies drinks. To get that type of attention is exciting to me, as it makes you feel like you are someone who is very special, even if it is for only a few minutes. It is a very uplifting feeling that gives you a high that you rarely in your life will probably experience. Just something about having a group of 10 girls or so around you at one time all trying to talk to you is a lot of fun. In Angelas City you will not recieve this type of attention as it is more laid back. I would really encourage someone to go to Burgos Street who has never been there before. The same goes for going to the EDSA Complex, but again you will be experiencing a different type of atmosphere there than you would on Burgos Street.

As far as cost goes, you can find a nice hotel walking distance to Burgos Street or right on Burgos Street that is comparably priced to the Orchid Hotel which is the hotel I woud recommend to you if you elect to go to Angelas City. ($35-$45.00 per night). The La Cafe drink prices are very similar to Angelas City. You will pay more for drinks on Burgos Street, at the EDSA Complex, and the new complex, but for the experience you will get I find it well worth it, especially if you do not go wild on buying ladies drinks. Barfines I very rarely pay as I always arrange for the girls to meet me after there work is done for the night by arranging dates for the next day, or by finding the one I want to spend the night with and providing them my hotel information, or going back and meeting them a half hour to an hour before they get off of work. Food prices are very similar to Angelas City so there is no cost differential there. The only added cost comparably to A.C. is you might have to use a taxi to go from Burgos Street to Manila but the cost is very very minimal.

The other advantage to spending some time in Manila for a new comer to the Philippines is they get to experience the culture of Manila and see what life and the lifestyle is like in a city such as Manila, in addition to the mongering scene. In Angelas City there is NO LIFE other than to monger. Manila just provides more opportunities is the bottom line. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO A FIRST TIMER TO THE PHILIPPINES TO CHECKOUT BOTH PLACES AS THEY BOTH CONTAIN DIFFERENT ATMOSPHERES AND EXPERIENCES.

As far as being safe goes. It is like in any area including your home area. Get to know your surrounding and do not put yourself in situations that can jeopardize your safety. I actually own a home in Puerto Vallarta and have been to Thailand on numerous occasions. Following the common sense rules I find the Philippines to be just as safe if not safer than the other areas I mentioned.

One last point I would like to make is you. You will find a better quality of girls in the Manila/Makati area and you will not become known to all the girls which is a plus in my opinion. In A.C. you will be seeing the same faces day after day while you are there. This is just my perspective on it and it is just an expression of my thoughts to your question.

Hotels, I would encourage you to check out the hotels listed below if you plan to stay in Makati as these are reasonably priced, secure, clean, and centrally located within walking distance to Burgos Street and shopping areas. The cost for the hotels I have posted is $35.00 to $45.00 dollars a night. I use various websites to locate the best price as you can save yourself some money by doing a little research as the same hotel will be priced differently on these websites. You can also do a search for discounted hotels in Makati and in Manila.
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