Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok

Long time listener, first time caller.

A few caveats first. This is my first trip to Thailand, I live in China, and I don't consider myself a hard-core monger. Well, not really. Thailand, it turns out, is actually expensive compared to South China. Heck, I can find a twenty dollar room in Chengdu that's as nice. But it's just a room. This place offers a lot more.

The Lodge is a great place to stay, and I'll be back. The room (superior grade) is nice, the bed is great (a bit too comfortable; I keep sleeping too long and missing the chance to sight-see). The complimentary breakfast is tasty (and served late enough that I still get to eat it). The restaurant is fantastic. I'm pretty sure I could eat here every meal of my week-plus stay and neither repeat a dish nor be disappointed.

I haven't spent a lot of time in the Sports Bar. Yet. This is just a preliminary report, and I hope to contribute more during my time here.

I had a bit of trouble finding the place when I arrived. At two in the morning after everything was closed. Found it going back towards the main street without difficulty. No check-in hassles even that late. Staff is helpful, and the atmosphere is great.

I'm hoping to get a member discount, of course, but my subscription wouldn't go through, and I'm not sure if I'll figure out who to talk to about that while I'm here.

I hope this year I get to stay at Livingstones!

June last year I was hoping to stay at Livingstones but for work related reasons I had to stay elsewhere originally I had some family issues that was going to prevent me coming altogether anyway sorted them out.

I finished up getting to Livingtones a couple of times last June and had mixed experiences. My first one was with the lovely Sonya who was excellent, bar fined her and back to the Majestic Grande where I had to stay for work reasons. Good night and morning all round.

A few nights later went back and Sonya was pleased to see me however I subtely let her know that I would like to connect with another lady that night which she was OK with. Very gracious indeed, nice lady.

Picked out who I later found out from a picture post the girl who was called the pesky one. English was not very good and my THai was non exsitant but that was OK. When it come time to barfine her she was trying to tell me something but I couldn't understand what it was. One of the other girls helped out with some Thai-English. She was trying to tell my she was at towards the end of her monthly! Thought that was sweet and honest of her and I thought that was just too hard so I graciously declined her for the night.

So dissappointed and was going to call it a night and the little Thai barlady interpretor started talking and was obviuosly keen to take Pesky's place as it was getting late and bar was closing. Anyway it didn't feel right and I should have just left a bit pushy and not very warm so what did I do yep......bar fined her. She said she needed to get changed and would be back in a few minutes.

Probably getting on towards 15 minutes and she is still getting ready. Bar is all but closed and I had one of those moments where I thought it wasn't right not a good connection so I left the bar without her.

So Goitto if you ever wondered who left the 1000 baht BF it was me! Just wondering if I am the only one that has done something as silly as that! ? Had to get it off my chest....call it therapy! (-:

Anyway Goitto hope that this time round I get to meet you. Possibly will stay at Livingstones this time round if the girls don't form a posey and run me out of town!!

Cheers,

Fleetz

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[QUOTE=El Doktor]Long time listener, first time caller.

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I'm hoping to get a member discount, of course, but my subscription wouldn't go through, and I'm not sure if I'll figure out who to talk to about that while I'm here.[/QUOTE]El Doktor,

welcome to Livingstone's...and of course you get the promotion if you fulfill the conditions, a report is written already :) .

Go ahead, write something about your experiences, and contact me here at the Lodge, if you have any questions.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Fleetz]I hope this year I get to stay at Livingstones!

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Probably getting on towards 15 minutes and she is still getting ready. Bar is all but closed and I had one of those moments where I thought it wasn't right not a good connection so I left the bar without her.

So Goitto if you ever wondered who left the 1000 baht BF it was me! Just wondering if I am the only one that has done something as silly as that! ? Had to get it off my chest....call it therapy! (-:
[/QUOTE]Fleetz (Fleeeeetz :) ),

Therapy ... LOL :) .

Sorry for that, difficult for me to check on that story from last June now, months later. The Pesky One is still working here, I never heard any complaints about her up to now, but obviously something went wrong that night.

Just come over here again, and we will find a solution about that money you paid for nothing - this is not the way I want to earn money here. Next time - please - leave a message somehow, ask for me, that I know what has happened, and that I can do something! If a girl is barfined and does not show up to go out with the customer ... I don't want her to work here then.

Hope to see you again here at Livingstone's, to clarify the issue and have some beers together.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Fleetz (Fleeeeetz :) ),

Therapy ... LOL :) .

Sorry for that, difficult for me to check on that story from last June now, months later. The Pesky One is still working here, I never heard any complaints about her up to now, but obviously something went wrong that night.

Just come over here again, and we will find a solution about that money you paid for nothing - this is not the way I want to earn money here. Next time - please - leave a message somehow, ask for me, that I know what has happened, and that I can do something! If a girl is barfined and does not show up to go out with the customer ... I don't want her to work here then.

Hope to see you again here at Livingstone's, to clarify the issue and have some beers together.


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Not sure if I would read Fleez comment in the same way as Giotto.

First I would say it's very fair from the Pesky one to tell upfront her 'status'.

But I would interpret the behavior of Fleez alternative girl differently. Of course 15 minutes for getting ready is a bit on the upper side of the expected time, but maybe still not that unusual. So I wouldn't necessarily say that it was the girl’s intention not to show up. That would create much more 'noise' and probably some search activity. At least I would have looked for her after lets say latest 25 minutes waiting time if I would bee so keen to have her, which is the normal case. So not showing up can't be an option for the girl, as a complain would be 100% sure with all the consequences. I don't think she would be that stupid.

So from the writing I would rather say that Fleez declined more by himself, as the 'replacement' may not have been necessarily his primary choice. So he decided after rethinking during the 15 min. waiting time and left, but of course as a gentleman he paid the committed barfine. Fair not only from the pesky one, but also from Fleez.

So Fleez, am I right? Not sure of course and could you find something your primary taste that night as an alternative?

Regards

Brain666

Time to fulfill a promise I made to Giotto during a rather drunken night last week friday.

I arrived in BKK on April 27th around 09.30 am and was picked up by a Limousine service arranged by Guido. Everything went smoothly and I was checked in around 11.00.

As it was my first night back in BKK (I'm not new to BKK, have been coming here regularly since 1993) and I was waiting for my Wingman to arrive the next day, I thought it would be a good idea to plan for a quite night and decided to have dinner at the Lodge and a few beers in the Sports bar.

A few beers turned into a few more, the ladies were extremely charming and in the end I had a great time. I met Giotto for the first time that night and we ended up having a discussion about the advantages / disadvantages of posting reports.
My main reason for never having posted before in the ISG Forums is the fact that I can't be bothered with the mostly negative comments from some of the more Senior Members who think they know it all and prefer debating the Sociological issues in Thai Society rather than mongering topics. Most recent example that springs to mind is the feedback one Poster received after he wrote a report in the Bangkok report thread on his trip to Isaan where he stayed with his GF and her family.

Giotto disagreed with my point of view and used his ( considerable) persuasive skills to convince me to add my 2 cents to the board, so here we go.

This is my firsts stay at Livingstone's although as previously mentioned I've been coming to BKK for quite a while. I usually stay at either the GP or the JW Marriott.
How does Livingstone's compare? I have just extended my stay by 1 week, so that should answer the question.

Giotto has managed to create an oasis in the middle of Bangkok that reminds me a bit of the old Orchid Inn in Angeles City (Philippines), be it that the Lodge is of a much higher quality. Very comfortable rooms with excellent mattresses and large bathrooms. The staff are extremely friendly and helpfull and ofcourse the girls in the Sports bar are a lot of fun.

In fact they are so much fun that my Wingman and myself barfined 1 girl each for 5 night and took them with us to Hua Hin (stayed at the Anantara Resort, [url]www.anantara.com[/url]). I can't praise the mamasan at the Sports bar enough for recommending the 2 girls we took with, this mamasan combines her business sense with having fun. She is of tremendous value to the bar IMHO.

What else did we get up to so far: The eden club, Darling Massage (Soi 12), Soi Cowboy ( to many bars to mention, but best times were had in Long Gun and Rawhide).

What can i say about the Eden club that hasn't been mentioned before: not much, the quality of the girls is debatable but their service is definitely great...(paid 3600 Baht for 2 girls + tip)

Darling massage: an easy location to reach but very old rooms that desperately need renovation. Not a lot of choices in the fish bowl (around 20 girls) but we were both satisfied with the service we received for 2500 Baht + tip.

I'm looking forward to another week at the Lodge and if appreciated will start adding my thoughts and comments on a more regular basis.

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[QUOTE=Brain666]Not sure if I would read Fleez comment in the same way as Giotto.

First I would say it's very fair from the Pesky one to tell upfront her 'status'.

But I would interpret the behavior of Fleez alternative girl differently. Of course 15 minutes for getting ready is a bit on the upper side of the expected time, but maybe still not that unusual. So I wouldn't necessarily say that it was the girl’s intention not to show up. That would create much more 'noise' and probably some search activity. At least I would have looked for her after lets say latest 25 minutes waiting time if I would bee so keen to have her, which is the normal case. So not showing up can't be an option for the girl, as a complain would be 100% sure with all the consequences. I don't think she would be that stupid.

So from the writing I would rather say that Fleez declined more by himself, as the 'replacement' may not have been necessarily his primary choice. So he decided after rethinking during the 15 min. waiting time and left, but of course as a gentleman he paid the committed barfine. Fair not only from the pesky one, but also from Fleez.

So Fleez, am I right? Not sure of course and could you find something your primary taste that night as an alternative?

Regards

Brain666[/QUOTE]Hi Brian666,

You are absolutely on the money!

I have no issue with Livingstones, I like the set up and atmosphere.

On the night it was what I had to do. After and couple of hours with the Pesky one at the bar and having high expectations of the night ahead only to have the end of month status announcement was ultimately what made me get up and go.

Your correct 15 minutes was getting on the long side and yes 25 minutes or longer is not unheard of, they do like to get themselves looking right! It gave me time to reflect on what could have been with the pesky one and the other lady was as I said end of the night rush, like 5-10 minutes. I like to spend time to get to know them a bit, see if there is some mutual connection.

I didn't give or had the time to connect with the other lady, I am sure she would have been fine but that connection time was not there so I as you picked up did what I felt was the right thing for both.

This thread was not about the 1000b it was me that walked no one else and I wasn't forced. I am probably too much the old school and doing the right thing.

Yes it would have been nice to have know Pesky's status up front, the result would have been different as I am sure by looking at the quality of ladies at the bar a connection would have been made. The 15 minutes waiting would have then been an additional tease and game one.

Thanks for picking up where I was coming from. Be interested in what you and other members would have done if in the same position.

Regards,

Fleetz

Mr Marketing Director

Thank you for your generous offer and hospitable future welcome, however I fear that you may have to have a quiet word with Mr G himself. Although I am not a hooligan or vandal, in fact I am a respectable middle-aged student nurse monger, he cannot escape my attentions by swearing a vow of silence and chastity in some French cave. Mr G will have to meet me and shake my hand to overcome his fears. I promise not to break his girls, I'll probably not even BF them for fear of doing them some permenant gynacological damage and making them fall in lub with me, so destroying the very fabric of their world. Instead, I will be a considerate guest. I'll drink your beer, eat your food, charm your women and generally uphold the highest traditions of an ISG monger.

I look forward to meeting you both.

Pete

[QUOTE=Giotto]Fleetz (Fleeeeetz :) ),

Therapy ... LOL :) .

Sorry for that, difficult for me to check on that story from last June now, months later. The Pesky One is still working here, I never heard any complaints about her up to now, but obviously something went wrong that night.

Just come over here again, and we will find a solution about that money you paid for nothing - this is not the way I want to earn money here. Next time - please - leave a message somehow, ask for me, that I know what has happened, and that I can do something! If a girl is barfined and does not show up to go out with the customer ... I don't want her to work here then.

Hope to see you again here at Livingstone's, to clarify the issue and have some beers together.


Giotto[/QUOTE]Hi Goitto,

Appreciate your kind gesture and the spirit it which is was made.

Not about the lady not showing up as I know she would have have when she had everything in order. It also it not about the bar fine and I know that is not how you run your business. No question. I left it you didn't take it!

If you read my reply to Brain666 post you will see where I was coming from.

There was an element of feeling comfortable coming back to Livingstones which is what I would like to do when I am back in June. I had never been in the position before and didn't know if by walkng away there may have been some issue with the lady I left at the post! My experience is with Thai ladies they typically have very long memories.

Just nice to know when I come back to Livingstones I will not be set on by a screaming Thai banshee!

I look forward to having a few beers with you in June, and my shout!

Thanks for your concerned response look forward to having a laugh in June with you.

Regards,

Fleetz

I read this post as Fleetz had barfined the barlady Interpreter and has nothing to do with the Pesky one.

15 minutes of waiting is eternity for anyone of us who has to wait for girl to be ready to go out. Especially to a drunken sailor (not to say Fleetz was drunken sailor). But we have all been there. Waiting, anxious, just wanna to get laid. I supposed Fleetz had second thought on his alternative choice. It's both the barlady and Fleetz's fault. Perhaps the barfined can be discounted back? Like 50% off the barfine on the next two girls he gets at Giotto's place. Nobody loses with this kind of offer.

Bill

[QUOTE=Fleetz]I hope this year I get to stay at Livingstones!

Picked out who I later found out from a picture post the girl who was called the pesky one. English was not very good and my THai was non exsitant but that was OK. When it come time to barfine her she was trying to tell me something but I couldn't understand what it was. One of the other girls helped out with some Thai-English. She was trying to tell my she was at towards the end of her monthly! Thought that was sweet and honest of her and I thought that was just too hard so I graciously declined her for the night.

So dissappointed and was going to call it a night and the little Thai barlady interpretor started talking and was obviuosly keen to take Pesky's place as it was getting late and bar was closing. Anyway it didn't feel right and I should have just left a bit pushy and not very warm so what did I do yep......bar fined her. She said she needed to get changed and would be back in a few minutes.

Probably getting on towards 15 minutes and she is still getting ready. Bar is all but closed and I had one of those moments where I thought it wasn't right not a good connection so I left the bar without her.

Cheers,

Fleetz

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[QUOTE=Bill Lee]

15 minutes of waiting is eternalty for anyone of us who has to wait for girl to be ready to go out.Perhaps the barfined can be discounted back? Like 50% off the barfine on the next two girls he gets at Giotto's place. Nobody loses with this kind of offer.

Bill[/QUOTE]

Next trip, if she remembers him, let's see what happens :D :D

Marketing Director

Mr. G

I just wanted to say that I am looking forward to returning to your wonderful establishment at the end of the month. I am looking forward to seeing you, but not as much as I look forward to seeing the beautiful girls and having some of that great Thai food that your cooks prepare. I have already started getting ready for the food by drinking battery acid and practicing my flame throwing techniques (it is a bit spicy but that is why I like it).

I also want to thank you for continuing the promotion, I expect to take full advantage of it when I return.

Finally I want to add my views on Fleetz post. I have Bar Fined a few of the girls at Livingstones (OK, only 2 girls, but several times) and they have taken upwards of 15 to 25 minutes to get changed and ready. It doesn't really bother me as I know they are taking the time to make themselves more beautiful for me. I have had girlfriends that took 1 to 2 hours to get ready to go out at night, so waiting a bit does not bother me much. I think the whole point was that he thought about it a bit more and decided it wasn't right and I give him credit for that. I have been in the position where I made the wrong call and knew it but went through with it anyway because I was uncomfortable backing out.

Mr. G I think it is great that you are offering to make up the money to him. It proves to me, like I needed it, that Livingstones is a class establishment that does really care for the customer experience.

See you soon. Should I bring Tequila?

PIT

Fleetz, Brain666, Bill Lee,

A clear statement how I see the issue:

Within the two years Livingstone's is open for customers we have had some complaints. There are basically two groups of complaints: Those I take seriously because I accept the issue from the customer, something went wrong, the customer was overcharged, something in the room was not working, service lousy, steak wrongly cooked etc. etc. . Then there are those complaints of customers which I do not accept, customer suddenly changing their minds about the girls, complaining about the number of drinks, but we are sure that the bill is OK etc. etc. .

In this case - though it is months ago - I tend to simply believe the story. I don't think a girl should need longer than 15 min. to change, and a make up and preparation for the night will anyway be done in the customers hotel / apartment later. This girl had most likely something to do in the background, some chit-chat with friends, or she was not motivated at all - whatever it was - I find it NOT acceptable to let a customer wait longer than 15 min., this shows disrespect and bad behavior. This is NOT what we want here at Livingstone's.

Returning happy customers are more important for Livingstone's than THB 1,000.00 - I would not even think a second about refunding or not, I would simply fix that problem.

For others: If there are complaints don't hesitate to contact the Mamasan or the management directly, everybody will listen to what you have to say. And then we can directly deal with the problem, know about girls which do not fit in here, and can upgrade the quality of all areas of Livingstone's step by step.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Jan 1969]...
My main reason for never having posted before in the ISG Forums is the fact that I can't be bothered with the mostly negative comments from some of the more Senior Members who think they know it all and prefer debating the Sociological issues in Thai Society rather than mongering topics. Most recent example that springs to mind is the feedback one Poster received after he wrote a report in the Bangkok report thread on his trip to Isaan where he stayed with his GF and her family.

Giotto disagreed with my point of view and used his ( considerable) persuasive skills to convince me to add my 2 cents to the board, so here we go.
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[/QUOTE]Jan 1969,

Thank you for you first report, welcome to the forum. I hope this will not be your last report...

[b]Senior Members, please read this report![/b] This shows very clearly how strong or negative comments from us have a negative impact on the report writing motivation from new members. And if we scare them away - the board will be boring and die sooner or later!

Jan 1969, thanks for your nice words about your stay here at Livingstone's, and let us know a bit more about your adventures here in Bangkok later on.


Giotto

[QUOTE=PassinThrough]...
Should I bring Tequila?
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[/QUOTE]PassinThrough,

No, you will make me drunk again, and later then try to bar-fine me...NO!!!


Giotto