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[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1477380]Brasil forum is very informative and easy to benefit but I just couldn't my way in Argentina forum.[/QUOTE]Good idea, split your time between Rio and BA and enjoy the best of both worlds.
Everything you always wanted to know about BA: [url]www.argentinaprivate.com[/url]
I believe your ISG ID and password should get you in.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1477193]Yummy is telling that Dominique Rep. Is better.[/QUOTE]I am meaning from a purely sex tourism perspective. DR has nice beaches, but otherwise is a rather boring other than the girls. Rio is a far more interesting city. 10 years ago I would have told you to go to Rio. But the fact is, Rio is getting to be like Moscow. There is plenty of sex available, but the place is too damn expensive. Brazil has a relatively strong economy and currency even compared to many European countries. Unemployment is low. It is simply not easy to pick up freebies anymore. P4P is still easy but of lower quality and higher prices than DR. Many more sex tourists go to Rio so it is a sellers market. I like Braziilian women but I am not going to pay those prices for them. 10 years ago it was a paradise. But I guess that is true of many places. All that said, Rio is a much more interesting place to go for the culture and sightseeing.
DR is almost as easy as Pataya for sex. It is teeming with semi-pros and is a buyers market. You walk down the beach and see a girl you like and you ask her if she wants to go with you. It feels like a freebie pickup but she will ask for money at some point. Show her a good time and it will be really cheap. She would rater stay with you in your nice beach house than go home to her hovel so an overnight is usually the same price as it is for just sex. But stay away from Punta Cana and other resorts. American women don't like prostitutes so the local authorities keep the girls away. They want that tourism dollar.
I've not been to BA. I might look into going.
Have you tried North Cyprus? I assume you have being from Turkey. Brothels have EE girls at good prices. I have not been there yet, but it is on my short list.
[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1477513]I am meaning from a purely sex tourism perspective. DR has nice beaches, but otherwise is a rather boring other than the girls. Rio is a far more interesting city.
Have you tried North Cyprus? I assume you have being from Turkey. Brothels have EE girls at good prices. I have not been there yet, but it is on my short list.[/QUOTE]Dear Yummy,
I have made a research on DR section and I have bad idea about it. First mostly black women. Second the country doesn't sound a safe place. Anyway. Maybe I will head to Moscow becuase it's possible to have just 5 days vacation. I had promised people here that I will give a second chance to this city. Regarding Cyprus Liljoey's posts are useful and one of my colleagues stayed there for 10 years. I don't think so it's a good destination to be since the cheap prices. Place is full of Turks and National Holiday is approaching.
Well this club is good.
That is if you want dances from African girls or fat Russian girls.
What a horrible disappointment this place was.
Smokey. Bored out of shape Russian girls sitting around. African girls hustling, at least they ask "may I dance for you."
Really, I'm not coming to Moscow to get dances from girls from Africa.
I guess if you want to see beautiful Russian girls you have to go to Flashdancers in New York City now.
Couldn't be more disappointed in the girls. Club was nice looking otherwise, but what a ripoff.
Ok, so. This was supposed to be at or near the top I guess of the Moscow strip clubs.
I did go on the most off night of off nights.
One girl there looked like a real fashion model. Otherwise fairly average girls I'd say 7s all around with the one fashion model girl an 8. Not pushy which is nice. Drinks reasonably priced. 1,000 rubles to get in.
Dealing with the hotel's "night taxi" BS which means they're pocketing something from the driver, cost 1,000 rubles to get there. Dealing with the "OMG I paid for parking" BS taxi driver on the way out means you're going to get shafted for another 1,000 rubles or walk back. So about 3,000 rubles go into the overhead of being there.
Most beautiful girl in the entire bar was a waitress sitting there doing nothing who didn't speak English. Wish I knew if the waitresses gave private dances.
Private dances all ended with the request to go to the hotel, cost 15, 000 rubles, seems their local "hotel" for legal senses. I turned it all down but the dances were ok.
Overall Moscow is a massive disappointment to me. Any reasonably attractive girl has an oligarch at her beck and call, certainly very few are falling through into the strip club scene. New York City and Las Vegas blow away Moscow both for beautiful girls (who are all Russian and Ukrainian anyway) and for value without any of the taxi BS.
Just really, if you're planning on visiting Moscow to see some beautiful girls, I think forget it unless you want to play rusodug lotto (which I don't want to play, I want to know what I'm getting). Strip clubs are just a massive fail compared to western standards, with the best girls from this culture getting over to the USA to work. It pains me to have to suggest New York to see girls from Russia but that seems to be the conclusion after getting out and about.
If you're happy with 7s then it's completely fine. Girls are friendly and nice and not being hassled every 3 seconds for tips (only every 5 mins) was a relief.
[QUOTE=Protocol; 1480922]Ok, so. This was supposed to be at or near the top I guess of the Moscow strip clubs.
I did go on the most off night of off nights.
One girl there looked like a real fashion model. Otherwise fairly average girls I'd say 7s all around with the one fashion model girl an 8. Not pushy which is nice. Drinks reasonably priced. 1,000 rubles to get in.
Dealing with the hotel's "night taxi" BS which means they're pocketing something from the driver, cost 1, 000 rubles to get there. Dealing with the "OMG I paid for parking" BS taxi driver on the way out means you're going to get shafted for another 1, 000 rubles or walk back. So about 3, 000 rubles go into the overhead of being there.
Most beautiful girl in the entire bar was a waitress sitting there doing nothing who didn't speak English. Wish I knew if the waitresses gave private dances.
Private dances all ended with the request to go to the hotel, cost 15, 000 rubles, seems their local "hotel" for legal senses. I turned it all down but the dances were ok.
Overall Moscow is a massive disappointment to me. Any reasonably attractive girl has an oligarch at her beck and call, certainly very few are falling through into the strip club scene. New York City and Las Vegas blow away Moscow both for beautiful girls (who are all Russian and Ukrainian anyway) and for value without any of the taxi BS.
Just really, if you're planning on visiting Moscow to see some beautiful girls, I think forget it unless you want to play rusodug lotto (which I don't want to play, I want to know what I'm getting). Strip clubs are just a massive fail compared to western standards, with the best girls from this culture getting over to the USA to work. It pains me to have to suggest New York to see girls from Russia but that seems to be the conclusion after getting out and about.
If you're happy with 7s then it's completely fine. Girls are friendly and nice and not being hassled every 3 seconds for tips (only every 5 mins) was a relief.[/QUOTE]Protocol,
I agree with you on all accounts.
What you have experienced is the "New Moscow" which is enjoying some degree of relative prosperity. When times are good, the really good looking girls have something better to do than hook and strip. The best place to see really stunning women in Moscow is not the strip club or the brothel, but in parks, restaurants, bars, clubs, stores, shopping malls, coffee shops and just about anywhere else pretty girls with a few rubles to spend like to hang out.
As has been said time and time again, if you come to Moscow expecting the P4P candy factory of yesteryear, forget it. It's not here.
It's bad news for mongers to be sure. The scene has shifted from P4P to traditional dating which, I assure you, is as promising as it ever has been due to the massive imbalance between men and women in Moscow.
Jake
[QUOTE=Protocol; 1480922]Ok, so. This was supposed to be at or near the top I guess of the Moscow strip clubs.
I did go on the most off night of off nights.
One girl there looked like a real fashion model. Otherwise fairly average girls I'd say 7s all around with the one fashion model girl an 8. Not pushy which is nice. Drinks reasonably priced. 1,000 rubles to get in.
Dealing with the hotel's "night taxi" BS which means they're pocketing something from the driver, cost 1, 000 rubles to get there. Dealing with the "OMG I paid for parking" BS taxi driver on the way out means you're going to get shafted for another 1, 000 rubles or walk back. So about 3, 000 rubles go into the overhead of being there.
Most beautiful girl in the entire bar was a waitress sitting there doing nothing who didn't speak English. Wish I knew if the waitresses gave private dances.
Private dances all ended with the request to go to the hotel, cost 15, 000 rubles, seems their local "hotel" for legal senses. I turned it all down but the dances were ok.
Overall Moscow is a massive disappointment to me. Any reasonably attractive girl has an oligarch at her beck and call, certainly very few are falling through into the strip club scene. New York City and Las Vegas blow away Moscow both for beautiful girls (who are all Russian and Ukrainian anyway) and for value without any of the taxi BS.
Just really, if you're planning on visiting Moscow to see some beautiful girls, I think forget it unless you want to play rusodug lotto (which I don't want to play, I want to know what I'm getting). Strip clubs are just a massive fail compared to western standards, with the best girls from this culture getting over to the USA to work. It pains me to have to suggest New York to see girls from Russia but that seems to be the conclusion after getting out and about.
If you're happy with 7s then it's completely fine. Girls are friendly and nice and not being hassled every 3 seconds for tips (only every 5 mins) was a relief.[/QUOTE]Interesting report. I was in Moscow about 4 years ago and I never saw so many beautiful women under a roof. Keep in mind I use to troll US strip clubs in the late 90's when there truly was a lot of EE's. It is my personal belief that VK has connected the girls so well among a cities Russian community that these venues are no longer as attractive to the top girls. Quality devs can now survive with gifts from referenced/qualified friends.
Fellow mongerers will remember; I had a great adventure in Moscow in 2010 and it was sad sometimes rewarding mostly. So I gave a promise to people on this forum. I would have come back again. Now it's time to keep my words. After exhausting analysis and comparisons I decided to come Moscow for 17. 10-20. 10. 2013 despite protocol's negative reports on city. My only fear is bad weather but I looks temps. Are over 5 °C for the period that I will come there. I have bought my ticket. Check I Fly and Pegasus. Both are giving great prices to Moscow and now second step is to find a good accommodation. When I was in St. Pete in March. I had used Oxana's apartments (nevsky88) and I was so much happy with their service. The owner is an American married with a Russian woman. For moscow they also give contact to another american who stays in there and again married with a Russian. Which apartment service you guys are using? And is there anyone who had used Rick's service before? You were happy or not? Do you know any disco night club for hunting like Real Mccoy or Che?
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1481594]Interesting report. I was in Moscow about 4 years ago and I never saw so many beautiful women under a roof. Keep in mind I use to troll US strip clubs in the late 90's when there truly was a lot of EE's. It is my personal belief that VK has connected the girls so well among a cities Russian community that these venues are no longer as attractive to the top girls. Quality devs can now survive with gifts from referenced/qualified friends.[/QUOTE]You look on something like VK and you'd think that Moscow was filled with stunning women.
I saw only one.
The huge disappointment has been the strip clubs in Moscow. I thought that they'd be better than SPB but Maximus was far and away better than these places.
Flashdancers in NYC is now almost 100% Russian and Ukrainian girls and they're gorgeous. Fitness trainers, models, beautiful girls coming over to hunt for their banker husband I guess. Even in Thailand in some of the clubs in Patong you will see very beautiful girls. Moscow has been the absolute bottom of the barrel. I went there just before coming to Moscow so I was thinking wow, I will be dying and going to heaven.
Instead I was having a drink and getting the hell out as fast as I could.
To me to have 15% of the girls in a Moscow strip club working coming from Africa says that you just don't have enough pretty girls at home to fill your club. Nothing against African girls but if I were looking for them I'd go to Africa or the USA, my thoughts on Moscow were about seeing Russian girls. The African girls were the only ones in good shape too at 911.
So maybe your theory is right.
This is just a bad job for a pretty girl at this point in time, with so many of them going to other countries now, the ones left are in balance with the money being thrown at them from the oligarchy. You can model nude and get $100 / hr if it comes to it and have nobody touch you. You can have a rich boyfriend buy you things and get you into all the right places and take you on trips. Or you can just exit and leave the competition behind and go to Miami or New York and make your friends back home jealous who "want USA."
I did stop into Night Flight and there were some nice girls there (nice as in nice, not beautiful) but it looked like Uzbek, Khazak kind of imports that you will see in Bangkok claiming to be Russian. They have that style of dress and makeup that looks like 1980s Soviet Union.
Once these girls here get some kind of money to get the things they want, they've shifted into status from what I can tell, so it's about going out to the top places to take pictures to show your friends showing your clothes, shoes, purse and where you currently are, so that everyone knows what an awesome life you're leading.
Going out with friends, the girls in the party have come up, everyone has the iPhone5S instantly after release (don't even think it was released yet in Moscow?) , Louboutin shoes. 22 year old girls driving up in BMW5 and 7 series cars, $20,000 watches.
I do have to make one correction in that I met a beautiful girl from Mamba but it's serious dating and she wants to fly business class, and all of that stuff or not travel anywhere because she is flying so much on vacations previously that she finds it tiring. Some of these girls now spend their summers in France, Monaco, St. Tropez, Ibiza. If you talk about travel to a place like Thailand they think you're poor because you didn't go to Maldives. I don't think I met her standards either though mostly Russian girls seem to like me and I get along with them fine.
So in conclusion, if you want just an average kind of girl that you can meet at home in the USA you will probably continue to do fine here. If you want a beautiful girl, you're probably better off looking at home because here you're going to have to import a suitcase filled with gold. Or better yet, look for Russian girls outside of Russia far from the oligarchy.
If you want just a nice average girl, they are out there, and I did meet them socially. But these are girls that you should be nice to and keep and treat well as a girlfriend, they're not for fun flings.
I've been battling with taxi drivers who want 1, 000 rubles for a 10 minute ride, and had some propose 1, 500 and 2,000.
Just not worth it overall, the product pricing has spun way high and the quality is certainly not easily found unless you're already living the lifestyle where it comes and finds you. I think therein lies the rub with Moscow.
[QUOTE=Jake993; 1481085]Protocol,
I agree with you on all accounts.
What you have experienced is the "New Moscow" which is enjoying some degree of relative prosperity. When times are good, the really good looking girls have something better to do than hook and strip. The best place to see really stunning women in Moscow is not the strip club or the brothel, but in parks, restaurants, bars, clubs, stores, shopping malls, coffee shops and just about anywhere else pretty girls with a few rubles to spend like to hang out.
As has been said time and time again, if you come to Moscow expecting the P4P candy factory of yesteryear, forget it. It's not here.
It's bad news for mongers to be sure. The scene has shifted from P4P to traditional dating which, I assure you, is as promising as it ever has been due to the massive imbalance between men and women in Moscow.
Jake[/QUOTE]I am more just going to the strip clubs to look and chat without any complications.
I've done some of the bars and walked around and such and still didn't see anything that made my head snap around. Staying at a five star hotel in a lot of locations you see beautiful people around, but not here.
The one beautiful girl I did see was a date, but as mentioned below without promises of St. Tropez, Champagne and Business Class flights to Maldives she was lukewarm to me though we had a nice time. I am not looking for a $10,000 / month expense that is going to whine and moan about not seeing me enough so I didn't make any attempts to push it forward. Also they are looking for lockdown. Someone who travels and enjoys the world is not so interesting as a man saying, here's how much I make per year, I live in Switzerland, I need a beautiful wife who doesn't have to work, and I want three children over the next 5 years. I get that impression too, especially if the ratio is not favoring them they have more reason to discard the unserious types as the faster they discard the more beauty time they have left on the clock to find someone who will buy the product.
I'm finding that to be pick your poison, plus I am not a bad guy, I won't flirt with and try to get the attention of a woman who is 30 and looking for something serious by pretending to be something I'm not. I'll be honest with her and she can make her decision. I'm not in this to make someone feel scammed or hurt or sad or lonely, god knows there is enough of that out there in the world.
I have two more nights here and hopefully will see something interesting before I go, just as a tourist, hoping to see some beautiful sights.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1481674]For moscow they also give contact to another american who stays in there and again married with a Russian. Which apartment service you guys are using? And is there anyone who had used Rick's service before? You were happy or not?[/QUOTE]I have used Rick before and was very happy with the service and the apartments that he has to rent. When you consider what you are getting for the price, it's a much better deal than staying in a hotel.
My favorite is #26 Tverskaya, but #12 Karetny Ryad is a good choice if you want to save a little money. It's small, but well located. There is an Azbuxa Vkusa (super market) next door and Parizhkaya Zhizn used to be just around the corner. Not sure if it still is.
[QUOTE=Protocol;1481802]I have two more nights here and hopefully will see something interesting before I go, just as a tourist, hoping to see some beautiful sights.[/QUOTE]As a "last ditch effort", you might want to try Angels ([url]www.clubangels.ru[/url]). It's the newest of the chain in Moscow and they often borrow some of the best girls from Aurora, Penthouse, and The Loft for the first 6 months.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1481934]I have used Rick before and was very happy with the service and the apartments that he has to rent. When you consider what you are getting for the price, it's a much better deal than staying in a hotel.
My favorite is #26 Tverskaya, but #12 Karetny Ryad is a good choice if you want to save a little money. It's small, but well located. There is an Azbuxa Vkusa (super market) next door and Parizhkaya Zhizn used to be just around the corner. Not sure if it still is.[/QUOTE]I also had good experiences with Rick's places.
As for places, Real McCoy is now closed. Che is still good. Down the street is Old School Pub which on Fridays nights is a pussyfest (lots of girls).
[QUOTE=Jake993; 1482129]I also had good experiences with Rick's places.
As for places, Real McCoy is now closed. Che is still good. Down the street is Old School Pub which on Fridays nights is a pussyfest (lots of girls).[/QUOTE]Dear Strav and Jake,
Strangely Rick still didn't reply me for two days. I try to reach him via Oksana but no answer. I have also made a reservation via Airbnb to someone called Yaroslaw but having troubles. He doesn't speak Russian. My flat would be on Novinsky Boulevard. And my reservation is still waiting. I am nervous about accommodation. My budget is around 100-115 USD per night. I hope Rick can give this price. I don't want a shared room nor a room inside someone's flat. I need a separate whole studio. Your comments about accommodation will be appreciated. BR
[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1482267]Dear Strav and Jake,
Strangely Rick still didn't reply me for two days. I try to reach him via Oksana but no answer. I have also made a reservation via Airbnb to someone called Yaroslaw but having troubles. He doesn't speak Russian. My flat would be on Novinsky Boulevard. And my reservation is still waiting. I am nervous about accommodation. My budget is around 100-115 USD per night. I hope Rick can give this price. I don't want a shared room nor a room inside someone's flat. I need a separate whole studio. Your comments about accommodation will be appreciated. BR[/QUOTE]You will have to excuse Rick, he has been in Russia so long he starts to do business like a Russian--several days to reply to an email is not unusual.
Did you look at Rick's website? [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] You can see all the flats he has available and the prices. I think you will be hard-pressed to find your own apartment for 100-115 USD per night. Not unless you take it for at least a week, or longer.
Check your PM.