Panama City

As most ya'll know already everyone should plan a night at Gaucho's for a steak dinner while in town. I bundled a deal with last week's favorite chica for a session before and after dinner. I sensed a bit of attitude from my waiter that I was entertaining a chica less than half my age. When the bill came (and luckily the chica went to el bano) the waiter told me my AmEx was "declined". I have no doubt he incorrectly entered something like the expiration date. AmEx had sent me an email saying "We know you are in Panama" since my airline and hotel were booked with them. And it worked just fine in ATL airport the next day. I don't know if it was intentional or accidental but I believe it was intentional because of the way he informed me. He just threw the card on the table and said "Declined!" I said no problem use my Visa and if that don't work I'll pay cash. Just wanted to give ya'll a heads up to have options available in this situation in case he does this often. You would think the waiters would appreciate this extra business and having a hot chica to see rather than all the old men in there. Oh well. The rib eye steak is excellent. Next time I'll order the largest one for sure ($39.95).

I wonder if that happened because AMEX's fees charged to the merchant are considerably higher than Visa or Master Card. I say this because I've known other people in other places to have their AMEX cards mysteriously declined. They have a high-ass foreign currency conversion charge as well, so I never use mine outside the USA; I use Capital One Visa instead. No forex fees and 1. 5% back on everything. Also, they have a travel notification service you can do on-line and tell them what countries you will be going to. I think it will handle four or five countries per trip.

[QUOTE=VegasCrazyGuy;1942519]I spent M-F last week between Hyatt, Veneto, and Habanos. Daytime hobbying is very difficult if you want action in your own hotel room. Even after getting phone numbers I found less than half the chicas willing to show up before 7 PM. At Veneto there are two unattractive older chicas working days. They have always been there for the last couple years I've been visiting P.C.
[/QUOTE]Why no day game? I thought you was a player!

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There's only 4 or 5 Cubanas in Panama now. They are becoming residents of Panama. No more traveling thru on their way to USA due to Costa Rica visa policy change. Que lastima!
[/QUOTE]There you are chasing cuban pussy again.

Hey guys so I'm thinking of breaking out of sex prison one last time this year and heading over to PC. Do the chicas start thinning out in November and heading back home or does it usually happen beginning of December?

Hyatt looks so cheap these days and the tickets I'm getting for practically nothing with all my points.

[QUOTE=VegasCrazyGuy;1942524]...my AmEx was "declined".[/QUOTE]Amex is only just recently accepted in Panama and not everywhere. Used to be a few years ago is not accepted at all. So I am not surprised with your situation.

Also Gaucho has shown the same treatment to me about showing up with a sugarbabe (ok mine was about a third of my age, might have something to do with it). So let all the other white heads be aware.

As far as closing about AMEX, they are starting to stink. Their acceptance rate is dropping like flies here in Panama and also Costa Rica and especially in Canada. Since 2008 when they became a bank, they are missing the boat completely IMHO.

Mellow.

Heading to PTY for a few days of women and gambling. I will be there the nights of October 3,4,5 and 6. Anyone going to be around?

I see many links to offshore sites but do any casinos have sportsbooks or are there sportsbooks to bet at separate from the casinos? Staying at the Hyatt. I don't mind slapping some money down on a game and playing a few hands in between women. First time to PTY been to MX, the DR, Costa Rica several times so looking forward to something new in the America's. Spent the entire year taking trips to GER and doing the FKK clubs over a dozen times so looking forward to a change of pace, and cheap mongering before December's FKK trip. Need a break from the EE women.

Be happy to meet up for some drinks, food, gambling and monger story sharing if any of you all are around PM me.

I'll buy the first round of bebidas.

On another note, thanks to all those who have contributed here over time, been some very useful information. Just 2 more questions:

1) a great reliable escort agency I can call, my Spanish is fine to order to the room, just want to avoid the scams. If you want the best of the best and willing to pay up for the real hot ones who also stay the complete hour (sexo inlimitado) , which is the best agency to contact. I know I could use the ads and Whatsapp etc but I'd prefer to dial one number, one I know is reliable.

And / or.

2) Whether it is onsite or take out, the best club for the hottest chicas, price aside. An ' upgrade' from Habano's if the mood should strike.

Seems $100-$150 gets you a good girl, if you got up to the $150-$300 level, best advise? I don't mind paying up to $300 for a session of multiple pops, if she stays for an hour + and is smoking hot. Better put what is the best $200-$300 could fetch.

Have a great day guys, maybe see one or two of you down there.

KC.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;1942719]

1) a great reliable escort agency I can call, my Spanish is fine to order to the room, just want to avoid the scams. If you want the best of the best and willing to pay up for the real hot ones who also stay the complete hour (sexo inlimitado) , which is the best agency to contact. I know I could use the ads and Whatsapp etc but I'd prefer to dial one number, one I know is reliable.
[/QUOTE]You really don't need an agency. There's no need for a middle man. There's plenty of available pussy without having to call anyone.

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And / or.

2) Whether it is onsite or take out, the best club for the hottest chicas, price aside. An ' upgrade' from Habano's if the mood should strike.

Seems $100-$150 gets you a good girl, if you got up to the $150-$300 level, best advise? I don't mind paying up to $300 for a session of multiple pops, if she stays for an hour + and is smoking hot. Better put what is the best $200-$300 could fetch.

Have a great day guys, maybe see one or two of you down there.

KC.[/QUOTE]If you want to spend more money then LE Palace, and Elite strip clubs will be happy to over charge you.

But I'd like to give you good advice. Between Habanos and Veneto you should have plenty of variety at very reasonable prices. You can use the money you save to buy the girls a nice dinner and such, and that will really improve the overall experience.

Good luck.

I'm confused. Do you want [B]this[/B]:

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;1942719] cheap mongering [/QUOTE]Or [B]this[/B]?

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;1942719] paying up to $300[/QUOTE]The two are mutually exclusive.

There's a Sportsbook in the Royal Casino on the second floor. It's a very short walk from the Hyatt.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1942773]I'm confused. Do you want [B]this[/B]:

Or [B]this[/B]?

The two are mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE]I guess ' cheap mongering' as I put it was used more in a comparative way to what I've blown (had fun doing it) in the FKK clubs and prices in the USA. I apologize for the confusion. I've set 100/150 as my baseline for nighttime carry out and it looks like that is easy where others have kindly suggested.

However, I am interested in finding out the upper end be it 200 or 300 or whatever it may be and see if it is worth the difference in price / service between the Habano's / Veneto girls. If you can pay 200-300 and the girl you get is say 2-4 notches higher than a 100/150 girl on a scale of 1-10 than I would entertain that option othwerwise I'm more than content with the usual stops mentioned in many posts here.

Hope that clarifies and sorry if my original post was confusing. Perhaps what I am getting at is the price point delta between places like LE Palace and Elite (both suggested below) vs the 100/150 at Habano's / Veneto worth the difference in the opinion of Panama's regular and seasoned punters?

Hope that clears things up, thanks guys. I am not a fan of TLN, the massage parlors or even taking these girls to dinner or hanging out but to each their own I fully respect we all have our ways of playing and there exists no right or wrong, better or worse as we captain our own ships. . For me it is take one home, finish, go grab another one an hour later. But, I will pay up for a hour+ if the girl is an absolute knockout stunner that the majority of men would rate an 8+ otherwise a buck or buck and a half for the 5-8 range is fine.

Thanks.

KC.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;1942830]
However, I am interested in finding out the upper end be it 200 or 300 or whatever it may be and see if it is worth the difference in price / service between the Habano's / Veneto girls. If you can pay 200-300 and the girl you get is say 2-4 notches higher than a 100/150 girl on a scale of 1-10 than I would entertain that option othwerwise I'm more than content with the usual stops mentioned in many posts here.
[/QUOTE]If you want a step up from Habanos take a look at La Palace and Elite. The girls who work there are working for the strip club so there's some vetting going on there. I guess that's why they charge more.

Otherwise it's a farmers market. You pay what the vendor asks for, and not necessarily based on any metric of quality.

KK, I know you've been to México, but did you notice that there is almost no relationship between price and quality there? That is true throughout Latin America. It's true of pussy. It's true of hotels. It's true of restaurants. The whole concept of Value = Quality divided by Price is anathema, as is the concept of price elasticity of demand. That is why you see businesses throughout Latin America [B]raise[/B] prices when business is slow. That is why you see chicas go home alone at closing time, rather than accept a reduced price for a product that is similar to an airline seat in that it expires. This probably dates back to the time of Hernán Cortés, because the Spaniards could never figure out that extracting and importing more and more gold and silver, while continuing to produce nothing, only increased the money supply and thus the price level, since the supply of goods did not increase commensurately. Hence the failure of mercantilism. It took the wise Scot, Adam Smith, to point this out in his [I] Treatise on Silver[/I]. That was published 240 years ago and they [I]still [/I]do not get it in Latin America, which is why they are doomed to economic failure forever.

So if you want to pay twice as much, don't expect anything better!

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1942832]Otherwise it's a farmers market. You pay what the vendor asks for, and not necessarily based on any metric of quality.[/QUOTE]Who the hell pays what the vendor asks for at a farmer's market? Oh, wait a minute; I know: people who are uncomfortable with negotiating / bargaining, or with turning their back on someone and walking away. Hey, I'm from the US too, and it's not natural to me, either. But I do it, and if you don't, you get eaten alive in Latin America.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1942836]KK, I know you've been to Mxico, but did you notice that there is almost no relationship between price and quality there? That is true throughout Latin America. It's true of pussy. It's true of hotels. It's true of restaurants. The whole concept of Value = Quality divided by Price is anathema, as is the concept of price elasticity of demand.

So if you want to pay twice as much, don't expect anything better![/QUOTE]I agree with you partially (50%) . Value=Quality / price relates more to a good or item (sold on a shelf or catalogue) than a service (lawyer, hooker etc.). Their pussies, tits, mouths etc. Are fixed objects, they do not change w price paid yet their service levels definately do between various men. The guy who pays 100 for ' Rosa' gets the same pussy that the guy who pays 150 yet the guy paying 150 may (or may not) get better use of her pussy, this varying service quality unlike the non-changing physical quality is entirely different and not fixed. Quality with mongering must be broken in to two not a singular entity as you have done with the MX comment. One being looks, one being service. And you are correct, they do not always go hand in hand but one must separate the two rather than lump both in to one package. Sticking to the pussy, I'll answer you two ways. Yes, I've been to MX dozens and dozens of times and you are correct once again about the pussy throughout the world, not just Latin America. Dynamics remain the same be it in the USA, MX, AUS, GER and so on. My passport agrees with you fully. As to MX, you are right and you are wrong. (I don't mean that disrectfully, just discussing) There does exist a huge difference in price and quality when it comes to looks / body however when it comes to service what you say holds true 100%. Using the infamous now run down Boystown as an example, you had girls for $70 in say the club ' Papagayos' while you had girls in basic rooms for $20 when Boystown was hopping. And there was a huge difference between the $70 and $20 girls when it came to looks, such a gap that even Stevie Wonder would be able to see the difference. However when it comes to service, exactly what you said above held true, there was little to no difference in service levels. However, the girls making $70 were generally happier and did give better service than the $20 ones, they also had a much higher rate of PPS. Those two variables pulling at each other from opposite polar ends like a game of tug-of-war were always in play vs each other. So one could make an argument sometimes NOT always girls making more per act are happier and in turn SOME provide a better service but that has been debated for over a decade maybe two on these boards and others as have all the dynamics mentioned.

In Costa Rica the massage parlor girls were 50% the cost of a girl at the Del Ray but the service level often exceeded that of those at the Del Ray. Exactly as you say, and those familiar with the old Beetle Bar in Jaco know that the same girls work there on the weekends that work the Del Ray during the week yet raise their prices and give shittier service in Jaco. Thats where your opinion of the concept of price elasticity of demand comes in, and you are correct. I will even add to your correct theory in yet another split dynamic; that you get the same girl providing two diff price points AND two diff levels of service all depending on whether they are in the Del Ray in San Juan or the Beetle Bar on the fancy west coast of CR. So we have two types of quality, looks and service, and in the CR example a split dynamic of location adding to the mix as the other variables (same girl) are the same. The john also is entirely different, more blue collar in SJ yet white collar in Jaco thus driving up demand / amount willing to pay and the impetus behind the exact same girls providing a diff service and charging more based on the ' suits' on CR's west coast. Maybe things changed in Jaco, been over 10 years, heard it wasn't the same.

But when we discuss quality in this little game we play, two qualities exist, that of looks and that of service and the two as most know do not always go hand in hand either. What I am getting at here is not the service level you get in PTY as price goes up. Simply put:

' In the experience of Panama City's experienced mongers, if you pay more at a place like Elite is the girl better looking in general than if you pay less at Habano's? ' (this question intentionally leaves out all aspects of service).

Quality of service not asking about, simply looks. Service I will negotiate on my own. I think the seasoned mongers can sniff out the scammers 90% of the time, always a risk, one I am willing to and enjoy taking. I like a good challenge.

I appreciate the replies, hell if you are in PTY when I am I'll buy drinks and a dinner if anyone is game.

Respectfully,

KC.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;1942857]I agree with you partially (50%) . Value=Quality / price relates more to a good or item (sold on a shelf or catalogue) than a service (lawyer, hooker etc.). Their pussies, tits, mouths etc. Are fixed objects, they do not change w price paid yet their service levels definately do between various men. The guy who pays 100 for ' Rosa' gets the same pussy that the guy who pays 150 yet the guy paying 150 may (or may not) get better use of her pussy, this varying service quality unlike the non-changing physical quality is entirely different and not fixed. Quality with mongering must be broken in to two not a singular entity as you have done with the MX comment. One being looks, one being service. And you are correct, they do not always go hand in hand but one must separate the two rather than lump both in to one package. Sticking to the pussy, I'll answer you two ways. Yes, I've been to MX dozens and dozens of times and you are correct once again about the pussy throughout the world, not just Latin America. Dynamics remain the same be it in the USA, MX, AUS, GER and so on. My passport agrees with you fully. As to MX, you are right and you are wrong. (I don't mean that disrectfully, just discussing) There does exist a huge difference in price and quality when it comes to looks / body however when it comes to service what you say holds true 100%. Using the infamous now run down Boystown as an example, you had girls for $70 in say the club ' Papagayos' while you had girls in basic rooms for $20 when Boystown was hopping. And there was a huge difference between the $70 and $20 girls when it came to looks, such a gap that even Stevie Wonder would be able to see the difference. However when it comes to service, exactly what you said above held true, there was little to no difference in service levels. However, the girls making $70 were generally happier and did give better service than the $20 ones, they also had a much higher rate of PPS. Those two variables pulling at each other from opposite polar ends like a game of tug-of-war were always in play vs each other. So one could make an argument sometimes NOT always girls making more per act are happier and in turn SOME provide a better service but that has been debated for over a decade maybe two on these boards and others as have all the dynamics mentioned.

In Costa Rica the massage parlor girls were 50% the cost of a girl at the Del Ray but the service level often exceeded that of those at the Del Ray. Exactly as you say, and those familiar with the old Beetle Bar in Jaco know that the same girls work there on the weekends that work the Del Ray during the week yet raise their prices and give shittier service in Jaco. Thats where your opinion of the concept of price elasticity of demand comes in, and you are correct. I will even add to your correct theory in yet another split dynamic; that you get the same girl providing two diff price points AND two diff levels of service all depending on whether they are in the Del Ray in San Juan or the Beetle Bar on the fancy west coast of CR. So we have two types of quality, looks and service, and in the CR example a split dynamic of location adding to the mix as the other variables (same girl) are the same. The john also is entirely different, more blue collar in SJ yet white collar in Jaco thus driving up demand / amount willing to pay and the impetus behind the exact same girls providing a diff service and charging more based on the ' suits' on CR's west coast. Maybe things changed in Jaco, been over 10 years, heard it wasn't the same.

But when we discuss quality in this little game we play, two qualities exist, that of looks and that of service and the two as most know do not always go hand in hand either. What I am getting at here is not the service level you get in PTY as price goes up. Simply put:

' In the experience of Panama City's experienced mongers, if you pay more at a place like Elite is the girl better looking in general than if you pay less at Habano's? ' (this question intentionally leaves out all aspects of service).

Quality of service not asking about, simply looks. Service I will negotiate on my own. I think the seasoned mongers can sniff out the scammers 90% of the time, always a risk, one I am willing to and enjoy taking. I like a good challenge.

I appreciate the replies, hell if you are in PTY when I am I'll buy drinks and a dinner if anyone is game.

Respectfully,

KC.[/QUOTE]I found a stunner one night at Elite and paid the big bucks for her. It wasn't impulsive either. I had to go back to my hotel room and get the money then return to Elite. But I was "stunned" at how beautiful this chica was and how she danced the pole. The next day I was very sorry I did it and I've never returned to Elite since. The problem is that the cost is not a "little more" for a "little hotter" chica. It's a crazy amount something like $450 total. So I don't go there to be tempted anymore. There are equally hot chicas at Habanos but of course they also get scooped up the quickest. The best nights to score the hottest chicas are M,Tu, & W. Thursday is party night for groups of business guys in town and the place is jammed. From my experience the weekends have the fewest chicas but I haven't been there on a weekend in over a year so can't say if things might have changed.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;1942643]Why no day game? I thought you was a player!

There you are chasing cuban pussy again.

Hey guys so I'm thinking of breaking out of sex prison one last time this year and heading over to PC. Do the chicas start thinning out in November and heading back home or does it usually happen beginning of December?

Hyatt looks so cheap these days and the tickets I'm getting for practically nothing with all my points.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah I still had good day game last week. I just said it's very difficult and less than half the chicas want to come over before 7 so make sure you collect plenty of whatsapp numbers first night in town.

Got to love those Cubanas! Since they are in sort supply in Panama I'm going straight to the source in December. My second trip there.

To answer your question I think November is a perfectly good time to visit Panama.