Bangkok Reports

Hi all,

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]OK... the girl left the bar with an evening dress on and she showered and changed and came to bed WEARING clothes????? Um... OK (confused)... [/QUOTE]Yes, that was what happened. Did I now win the saddest newbie of the year price? :-D

[QUOTE=Bearsk]My question to you is what did you negotiate before the bar fine?
[/QUOTE]I have to admit that I didn’t negotiate any specific services before barfining the lady. The mamasan told me ST/LT prices and that was it. That was obviously one of mistakes I made during that evening.

[QUOTE=Giotto]Repsu,

Do you know the name of the girl? You can publish it here, or send it to me in a PM. And then i will try to find out what has happened. Would be interesting to hear the girls POV of this case.

Giotto[/QUOTE]The name of the girl:

I’m sorry but I’m not sure any more. It is possible that it was Niu or something. I was not drunk in that evening, but names – even farang ones – are very difficult for me. However I’m sure that mamasan will remember me: I was that stupid looking guy with name "Johnny" (which is English version of my real name). I bought two drinks to mamasan during the evening and entertained people with my iPhone and satellite pictures of Google Map in it (we tried to locate LL in the picture! ). The lady was wearing white dress and the mamasan told me that she has been working in that bar in less than 1 month.

As I tried to make sure in my original report, my confusion does not have anything to do with LL itself. The time, effort and love used for that place were very easy to see and sense. The only reason I added the location information (I tried to hide it, at least a little bit) was because I thought that maybe I accidently broke some LL or soi 33 specific rules or something. In that case the location would have been relevant.

Giotto, I would greatly appreciate if one of you could ask the lady what went wrong. It is not (at least not too much) about my ego, but more I’m seeking here a learning experience: maybe my personal hygiene was not in best possible state (I walked from soi 2 to LL in that evening) or maybe I accidently said something wrong. Whatever the reason is I very much like to hear it. Though I’m sorry to waste your time for silly things like this.

Thank you once again to all of you for your comments!

Best regards,

JRepsuJ

[QUOTE=Piper1]I'm curious why you have been a member for almost a year, but your first ever report is a targeted criticism (albeit politely couched, which almost gives it some credibility). It's also interesting that you say English is not your first language, but linguistically your report is a mix of perfect grammar in most places and flawed grammar elsewhere. Interesting report.[/QUOTE]That is a very good point that you are making there. I – like too many fellow lurkers – have used this forum as a valuable source of information, but ungratefully forgot to give anything back. I can only defend my actions by claiming that my puny adventures have been so far so ordinary that they are boring. But still, in future I try to keep the basic giving and receiving ideology in my mind when I’m utilizing information received from the forum.

[Sorry about the next OT. ] Regarding my English skills, I thank you for your positive comments. My English has not always been this bad. Unfortunately lacking of practice and bad habit of using oversimplified language in instant message/email/other internet based communications have rotten that basic grammar knowledge I used to have. I wrote my original message quite many times before I accepted it to be good enough to be posted. Not so much to excel my vanished language skill, but more to show respect to you forum members. I assume there are many others than me who are not native English speakers and I hope it is enough from us if we just try our best with our own limitations.

JRepsuJ

Repsu: Sometimes this happens to the best of us (well to a certain extent). I for one would not of given her anything, if she did nothing other then shower at your place. I would just move on. Why don't you try and meet up with someone on here who can show you the ropes. If your there next week, I'll be happy to show you the rounds. Or try a massage parlor. I am not an expert, but I've had my fun there.

M&M

[QUOTE=Mangofan]
Also, I found that a girl absolutely refuses to negotiate, then she's "ATMed up the ass" (as people say) or has been hardened by the bar too much. I find these girls are usually crap in bed anyway, so I won't bother pursuing it.[/QUOTE]

First of all, as Mangofan says, prices are coming down, and this should be encouraged. And in my experience, although I rarely find myself in Cowboy or Nana gogos these days unless I'm dragged there (OK, not exactly kicking and screaming), if you get the sense that a girl is "ATMed up the ass," which I take to mean has a foreign "sponsor" and is just trolling for extra cash, she is likely not to be a lot of fun in bed- at best a "by the numbers" bonk, at worst a "get it over with buddy" lay. Then again, you may be treated to the amusing experience of her sponsor calling during or just post-bonk, which I would describe as a 10-minute intensive course in the Thai female psyche. Everyone planning to spend an extended stay here should experience that at least once.

The best girls to find are the ones who have not been in town long. To a girl just off the bus from Nakhon Nowhere, 1000 baht for an hour doing what she has been doing with the neighborhood boys for free probably seems like dream come true, and if the farang is even close to being a gentleman he'll seem like Sir Galahad compared to the chaps in the village. This is why it is a good idea, as Mangofan points out, to learn a little conversational Thai. And again, avoid the hardcore negotiators who want to make half their monthly rent (or more) for an hour's worth of sanook-free fornicating.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Its a lot easier and less complicated to just pay.
Even Nic had to dump most of his Giks due to complications. Often we don't want a proper relationship, but just to relieve the sexual urges.[/QUOTE]

I fully agree. While you might save money (but not even sure) in the long run by having a straigh non P4P relationship, it does come with its share of frustrations adn headaches. Thai ladies are world champions of Drama.

I have been here 4 years and I still believe that having a Thai GF, all things considered, just isn't worth it. Stick with Giks for a short while, fuck them, dump them and forget them (same as P4P) but don't let them turn into Girlfriends.

Thais are all about Classes, if you tell the girl she is your GIK, she will know exactly where she stands on your scale of importance. The thing you must accept though, is that if a girl is your gik, she also might get other guys on the side.

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]"No one here wants this style of bars"
What a statement!

By "here", do you mean members in ISG or men in general who visit BKK?
If nobody wants this type of bars as you put it, surely places like this one would be closing down soon. But somehow I dont think so.[/QUOTE]

By "here" I mean Bangkok (yes, I live here).
Look at things this way: if there was a NEED for this style of places, then we would have a handful of them wouldn't we?
Supply and Demand.

The Strip in PAtong 2 isn't even a real Strip club, you take the girl in a closed area (cubicle like) and she will do everything she can to push HJ or BJ so she can make money. Thai girls will not be enthusiastic about dancing around you for 30 mn adn only getting paid 100 thb by the management.

Anyway, all these discussions are pointless, get here and good luck trying to find a strip joint.

Since you're so confident, why not open a stip joint here yourself? looks like you are convinced people would love it? Maybe you can even buy the Strip off of Auron's (owner) hands.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101]Maybe my question should have been to ask you guys for the most exciting itinerary for a night out that doesn't involve only sex. I love music and would love a recommendation from the experts on which bars are the best for rock/hard rock music.

Thanks again and cheers/Pulse[/QUOTE]

Here's what I would do:

19h Go for a 2 hours Massage session at Tulip
21h Grab something to eat
22h start off at Angelwitch (Nana Plaza), I think their shows start at 10pm, Rock/Hard rock Music, entertaining shows.
23h move to Rainbow 4 to see the Talent
23h Second option is to go to Soi Comboy (Suzi Wong's Lesbian Show)

By then you should have recovered from the Tulip sex and ready for another night of fucking.

Round the bars and find the cutie you want to spend the night with: I recommend Shark.

If you want Fun in the bar, then there are places that offer this in Soi Cowboy: Jungle Jims, Toy Bar, Moonshine Join, Fannys. At these bars, just buy the ladies drinks adn they will stip in front of you, let you suck their tits, finger their pussies, give you a handjob (all in the bar).

Good luck and have fun.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Here's what I would do:

19h Go for a 2 hours Massage session at Tulip

21h Grab something to eat

22h start off at Angelwitch (Nana Plaza), I think their shows start at 10pm, Rock/Hard rock Music, entertaining shows. 23h move to Rainbow 4 to see the Talent

23h Second option is to go to Soi Comboy (Suzi Wong's Lesbian Show)

By then you should have recovered from the Tulip sex and ready for another night of fucking.

Round the bars and find the cutie you want to spend the night with: I recommend Shark.

If you want Fun in the bar, then there are places that offer this in Soi Cowboy: Jungle Jims, Toy Bar, Moonshine Join, Fannys. At these bars, just buy the ladies drinks adn they will stip in front of you, let you suck their tits, finger their pussies, give you a handjob (all in the bar).

Good luck and have fun.[/QUOTE]Awesome! That really sounds like a plan. I'll probably only make one change. The last time I was in BKK, I had a few beers in this bar a few yards down the NEP complex. Pretty decent band playing classic/hard rock. Will check that bar between 21-2200hrs.

Cheers and thanks a bunch for the recos.

Pulse

[QUOTE=1Ball]I think the best thing for you to do is to go back there, walk up to Giotto, who will be sitting at a table in the shade with his laptop, and just scream at him. tell him you don't like to be treated this way, and you want a free week, all included, in room 115. He is the overweight one legged gay looking blond Swedish guy with dreadlocks, who sits there with a cigar in his mouth, and a bloody mary at 9.00 am. Impossible to miss.
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[/QUOTE]Repsu,

Now that you know how to find me get over here, that we can drink a coffee together and make plans how to KICK ARSE OF THIS BESTARD 1Ball :) !


Giotto

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Wow, one can get laid in Bangkok. I never knew that!!![/QUOTE]I did reply yesterday to you sarcastic comments! Alas it has not been printed. Probably because it was a little too strong. So I shall be nicer in my comments to you. (same venom in my mind)

Yes you can get laid in Bangkok. Maybe not for free for people like you. But then that's what you are here for isn't it. Unable to get the freebies from home? BTW where are you from? Retired Army. Which army did you retire from? Can I ask. Do you have anything interesting to report on. I mean your own experiences, or do you just comment on others?

Went to Nataree in Petchaburi.

Took metro (subway) from Sukhumvit toward Jatuchak direction.

Exit toward the back of the train. (on the right as you walk toward the back).

There it is just one minute of walk away on the right side of the road.
Besides Emmanuelle.

Go in and look at the fish bowl. Only one girl is smiling and giving me eye contact but she look ok. A bit round and short but nice breast.

The manager tells me to take her as she is smiling at me. Seems that the trick of looking at girls that siles at you is starting to be known. I feel that it is her turn but her smile is genuine enough that I am OK with this.

Cost was 1600-2000 (can not remember).

She had a very good attitude (would say 8).

We go in the room on a higher floor. Room has that green washed off look that you see in hospital. Room seems a bit old but everything is clean.

Got the usual drink (water for me) and we talk a little bit. Usual story: 28, has one child with her parents outside Bangkok.

She undress and starts the bath. Did a good job at washing me but most thai ladies will do.

As we turn to the "Bed", I take care of her a little bit. I think she came (from her reaction and what she told me). Then I put the condom and start to make it with her. I was OK but I could not come (at 50... sometimes I don't Also I had a girl previous night.).

But the experience was interesting and enjoyable. She felt a bit sorry that I did not come but that was OK.

Did feel the place and the service was good.

Look - 7
Service -8
Attitude -8

Will go back but I need to see other places.

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[QUOTE=Repsu]...
Giotto, I would greatly appreciate if one of you could ask the lady what went wrong. It is not (at least not too much) about my ego, but more I’m seeking here a learning experience: maybe my personal hygiene was not in best possible state (I walked from soi 2 to LL in that evening) or maybe I accidently said something wrong. Whatever the reason is I very much like to hear it. Though I’m sorry to waste your time for silly things like this.
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[/QUOTE]Repsu,

We checked already yesterday after I read your report (which girls have been barfined), and we will talk today. We also came to the result that the girls name might be New/Niu.

In response to all the reports regarding this issue:

My POV is that the girls working in Livingstone's Sports Lounge of course DO NOT HAVE to go out with customers. There is no such pressure from the bar / management. But IF THEY DO they know what they do, and if the don't want any "closer contact" they HAVE TO tell the customers before he barfines them.

It happens from time to time that a customer takes a girl out only for dinner / dancing - it happens more than you think. But - this is a special arrangement between the girl and the customer, and it must be a clear and honest arrangement from the beginning, otherwise I would understand it as a rip-off.

I will let you know the outcome of our discussion with that girl.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Repsu]Hi,

Could you, more experienced forum members please help me out to understand events which took place yesterday.

Before I continue my story, here’s a little background: I have been in Thailand once before but I’m very inexperienced with barfining a lady. I have tried to do my "homework" and study this excelled forum, but somehow "the real field" situation is quite much different thing. At least for me.

OK, that's enough for the background. Yesterday I visited much praised mongers paradise in Sukhumvit road soi 33 (The L*’s). I had eaten there an excelled dinner just a day before and now I decided to collect my courage and visit in the bar too. To cut long story short, I went in, the staff was very friendly, I choose a young lady to have a drink with me, tried my best to have some kind of rapport (which I – erroneously – thought I managed to create), barfined the lady and back to my hotel we went. In the hotel everything went wrong: the lady didn’t want to have anything physical with me. OK, I understand: the barfine was not a guarantee for sexual services. So – after having tried to ask her numerous times what’s wrong – I sent her away with some money (not the total LT amount agreed earlier).

Well, s**t happens so everything should be OK now. However when I’m now thinking about those event in last night, there are still 2 things which bother me a bit.

First the lady left the bar with her bar clothes on. Since the ladies in that bar wear nice evening dresses, I thought that was a bit unusual. However after the shower she came to bed wearing normal clothes (typical t-shirt and shorts). I can’t help myself of thinking that the reason why she wore her work dress during the way to my hotel, is because she wanted to make sure that she had something clean enough when going to bed. Which also send me clear signal that sex is out of the question. So, she knew already when we left that there was not going to be any action. Does my theory makes any sense or I’m I just imaging things? Also, if she really didn’t want to be with me, should I just accept it because. Well, because I didn’t do something right or some other reason. Do you veterans ever find yourselves in this this kind of situation?

Another thing (and this is probably even more noob style! ) is that I would like to know what was wrong with me (except being stupid, inexperienced farang of course): did I smell bad or was it just because I’m so downright ugly! I would very much like to go back to bar today and ask mamasan to ask the lady what was wrong (the lady’s English was very weak). I understand that officially bar does not have anything to do with the things which take place after the customer and that lady have left the bar, but I still like to know what was going on. I’m certainly not a Brad Pitt, but I consider myself as a clean and nice man who treats other people with respect. Should I go back and try to find out the story behind her behaviour or am I just wasting my time in trying to understand what is going on in barlady’s mind?

L*’s was as excelled place as I was told and I like to stress out that I’m NOT trying to blame the bar in any way.

That was it: I thank you for your time used for reading this story. As you must have already noticed, English is not my first language – so I thank for your patience regarding of that as well.

If you have any thoughts or point of views regarding the actions I should have taken, they are greatly appreciated. Also hints how to do it better in next time are very welcome.

JRepsu[/quote]I was in December in Bangkok. One girl I selected in Soi 33 wanted to go home immediately after dinner. But she wanted the entire money I promised. I paid some money and asked her to leave. I selected another girl in the same bar previously and she was very nice.

[QUOTE=Giotto]My POV is that the girls working in Livingstone's Sports Lounge of course DO NOT HAVE to go out with customers. There is no such pressure from the bar / management.[/QUOTE]

Yeah wish you'd change this rule!!!! I've asked three to marry me and only one accepted :(

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Yeah wish you'd change this rule!!!! I've asked three to marry me and only one accepted :([/QUOTE]Tansak KTV,

Auntie Guido accepted :) ??


Giotto