Looks like two local experts, GM and RR are comparing dick sizes. Peace brothers :)
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Looks like two local experts, GM and RR are comparing dick sizes. Peace brothers :)
I wouldn't know, I can't see GM's posts at all. Hopefully this gets figured out soon. He did PM me back, didn't block me on his end.
We'll see what happens.
In the meantime, I'm saddened to know that a dick war broke out and I missed it.
No dick war, just pointing out some facts. There are lots of virgins in Cambodia. Most unmarried women in Cambodia are virgins in fact. Lots of girls working in bars are virgins too. There are a half dozen in 69 Bar alone (or at least there was when I was there. They move around a lot). If you want to be with one you'll have to marry them (and shell out money to the parents) or, if they're up for it, shell out a lot of money to deflower them. We're talking 1000-5000. Probably on the higher end. Educated women who come from "decent families" and don't work in bars will quite possibly require more than that.
GM says he has an unlimited supply of unmarried virgins, but says none of us are skilled or connected enough to get them. Okay, so what's the point of discussing them? Is this place for sharing info or writing erotica?
Now that's he's denied the existence of the bride price in Cambodia I have to wonder if he's legit at all.
Cyrcee is on Street 49 between Streets 136 and 130. It has a red front with frosted glass doors and a small sign. There is a security guard out front. It's one block west of Norodom, very close to Psar Thmei (Central Market).
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1448282]No dick war, just pointing out some facts. There are lots of virgins in Cambodia. Most unmarried women in Cambodia are virgins in fact. Lots of girls working in bars are virgins too. There are a half dozen in 69 Bar alone (or at least there was when I was there. They move around a lot). If you want to be with one you'll have to marry them (and shell out money to the parents) or, if they're up for it, shell out a lot of money to deflower them. We're talking 1000-5000. Probably on the higher end. Educated women who come from "decent families" and don't work in bars will quite possibly require more than that...[/QUOTE]I'm saying that if you are not an expat that lives in Cambodia and you don't speak K'mai, you can't do it, but there are guys on here that do live in Cambodia Rick. That might want to pl be a player.
It's like me going to your country and trying to be a player, you can't play if you don't know the game or the rules, maybe that's American enough for you to understand what I'm talking about. Sorry I don't speak ghetto or American, I speak English.
Cheers, no I'll will intended.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1448282]No dick war, just pointing out some facts. There are lots of virgins in Cambodia. Most unmarried women in Cambodia are virgins in fact. Lots of girls working in bars are virgins too. There are a half dozen in 69 Bar alone (or at least there was when I was there. They move around a lot). If you want to be with one you'll have to marry them (and shell out money to the parents) or, if they're up for it, shell out a lot of money to deflower them. We're talking 1000-5000. Probably on the higher end. Educated women who come from "decent families" and don't work in bars will quite possibly require more than that.
GM says he has an unlimited supply of unmarried virgins, but says none of us are skilled or connected enough to get them. Okay, so what's the point of discussing them? Is this place for sharing info or writing erotica?
Now that's he's denied the existence of the bride price in Cambodia I have to wonder if he's legit at all.
Cyrcee is on Street 49 between Streets 136 and 130. It has a red front with frosted glass doors and a small sign. There is a security guard out front. It's one block west of Norodom, very close to Psar Thmei (Central Market).[/QUOTE]Rick you are pretty much stop on for your wedding. What I don't like is you using the term "Bride Price" your not buying a car. You make it sound like your buy a girl and she has no say in it, which in some cases may be true.
Your not buying a slave we don't do that or where I live we never have. Your paying for your wedding and all the costs of that wedding, you sit down with your future brides parents, After you have confess your love for each other, can't forget that part, but it's pretty simplistic compared to the west where we can get engaged for a year or longer, before getting married.
In some cases you can have an engagement party and after the girl will have sex with you, but I was just talking for about an hour with a Khmer girl that I've known for sometime and she wants me to marry her sister. I mentioned to her about how simplistic the whole marriage thing is you meet a girl say she's pretty she says your handsome, then you tell her you love her, she says she loves you too. Then let's get married, so back to the terminology your using, I find it offensive because back to you sit down with her parents ask them for permission to marry their daughter. Then you have a conversation about your wedding how many guests say 200 so you are $10 a person for dinner, $2000. Only beer or beer and whiskey both $500. Entertainment $300, clothes, police, sangkat license, make-up, monks blessing and gifts etc, etc, you get the picture. If your inviting 200 people some won't come start off buy paying for only 10 tables, then extra, as people show-up, might be 12 tables. Any way it's the cost of your wedding. Khmer's don't use the term Bride Price and your estimate is pretty good on what it will initially, but you will get a lot of money in gifts you might get all that money or none depending on any costs that you didn't pay for like pictures, wideos, etc.
You can in some cases with mostly with the poor, uneducated just pay for a girls virginity like you said I know girls that have sold their virginity for as little as $300 and a hot girl too. I was her second, which was like being her first, because her first was a little willy.
You make it sound condescending when you say I said that others don't have the skills or connections, the skills are to be able to speak the language, know the culture and the BS I 'll be glad to PM someone who needs help with that my words. If I posted the whole deal it would be common knowledge and the girls may catch wind of it. Believe it or not girls do read this forum.
Anyway Rick you like facts, fact if I know the answer to a question posted I'm usually one of the persons that puts up an answer and Prinz who has an excellent amount of information to help mongers that are new to Phnom Penh or snooky. Even yourself I've seen very accurate posts.
Then you question if I'm legit, I was probably mongering before you were born and I've lived in South East Asia for over 11 years. In Thailand for 3 years and going on 8 years in Phnom Penh, when I first moved here I think the tallest building was 8 floors.
Some of my information is out of date I. E. The length of a bus trip to snooky now, and I'm the first person to admit if I have posted poor, or wrong information. And I'm up for a dick fight it's been a long time since I stuffed my cock in with another monger in some nice girls hole, but if we get into a 69er I'm not going on the bottom.
At Rick Rock,
I wonder who's your source of information!
Virgins working in riverside bars? Very few and they only work for lady drinks, no wonder they all stick in ripoff bars like Bar 69.
I wouldn't be sure they're going to marry by the way unless you're a complete tool and willing to pay crazy money to her and her family.
Working in bars is just a step below becoming full time hookers, what do you think that they will stay virgins forever? Not going to happen and there's plenty of crazy mongers willing to find a bride, I know a couple of girls from two bars in 136 and now they're married and pregnant, one was quite young and looking virginal but no way she actually was virgin and she still doesn't do BBBJ or even BJ at all even with his new husband! She was paying 50$/month to live in a shithole near 118 and now they're buying a new nice condo, that's a huge leap forward for her and these things are not so uncommon if the girls is pretty enough, actually all the bar girls in 136 have this dream of finding their white knight who will fix all their problems and take care of her and her whole family.
I don't know about real virgins, I've heard a guy boasting he married one for 1500$ years ago but who knows it could be BS considering he's nuts.
But is it worth it? I mean all he's got was a 18-19 yrs old farm girl who can't speak one word of English, can't read and write, doing fuck all the whole day and draining his financies while acting like a queen bee, and finally he's been dumped and forgotten.
5000$ to shag a virgin? Sounds way too much. Yeah maybe some crazy Koreans or Japanese will pay that but WTF. I can't see what's so mystical and magic about virgins, at the very least she will scream in pain and bleed from her pussy why do they think it's such a great boomboom?
Educated women from good families : unless you'rich and famous and speak khmer you've no fucking chance with them, on the other side they'll be happy to marry a well off khmer from a good family, that's the norm, and also rich Chinese / koreans / japs are welcome, but average barang mongers should not even dream about them, if they're not virgin maybe you can score a date or something but if she's virgin she's untouchable and you'll be boycotted by her friends and family too.
I mean virginity is a way to set the girl as your private property, you can't have it for free or for cheap, it's impossible, it's not like in the west and neither like in Thailand.
In Thailand many girls lose viriginity with school mates, that's becoming more and more common, here no fucking way, only the poorest dirtiest hookers do it for peanuts and after that they start a career in massages and bars, they're marked for life, no khmer will marry them.
Dowry : well I've heard many stories about it but as far as I know it only applies to genuine virgins, not to bar girls.
No idea how much it could be, I'll never marry anyone here.
But I don't think it's mandatory in all cases, my ex GF for instance got married by her family with a khmer guy she's never seen before, they arranged a wedding but she never told me about any cash exchange or whatever, he was a farmer so maybe among poors they acknoledge their finances are limited, or maybe he paid them in bags of rice, that would do.
However! if we talk about barangs marrying khmer girls and the girl happen to be virgin o still not second hand, hmm I'm sure they will ask you some money just because being barang you're expected to be rich and generous and in any case you'll be asked money forever after the wedding from her family and distant relatives as well, you will set yourself in the family as the rich sucker with a good heart and she will play the middleman role too, playing any sort of games with you and accusing you of not loving her if you don't "help" her family. Be warned!
Something to entertain you from my private gallery of virgins.
[QUOTE=The Wookie; 1447894]A few quesions :
What about the quality of the service or looks of the girl. Some of the stories I've read describe very dodgy or not so appealing situations. Also drugs come into play. Isn't it a matter of, you get what you pay for, or are there "gems" to be found?
BTW, everybody always mentions Snooky chickenfarms, aren't there also chickenfarms in PP?
Thanks[/QUOTE]There's a lot misconceptions about "cheap girls" in SE asia in general.
Most of the mongers (maybe 90%?) are just shit scared at the idea of shagging a street hooker or doing a 2$ massage.
To enjoy this game you MUST be a so called "sexplorer" otherwise you'll be shocked by the standards you'll encounter.
This is not for random tourists, only expats can appreciate.
In short, it's a matter of "going local" and therefore paying more or less local prices.
Well, you will never pay the khmer price as a foreigner but you can easily find good deals and pay just 30-50% more.
For instance, the 2$ massage is fixed price for all, and yet they will ask you a tip, and khmers pay 1$ for a HJ or even nothing.
As in some cases it's supposed to be included in the 2$ fare! It all depends on the girls, if they're MILFs they will give crazy deals,
If they're young and pretty they'll always try to get 4-5$ all inclusive but no BBBJ or anything else.
Full service : a few rundown massages allow FS and that will be 5-6$ in the cheapest scenario but will always try to get 10$ as you're a foreigner,
It's like a matter of principle for them.
Street hookers : in a public park like what Phnom and surroundings the khmers stop the moto, sit down with the girl and talk even half an hour before picking them up, in the street.
It's quicker but they still talk and bargain a lot, the girls are usually not too much pushy but if their english is bad and usually it's never on par with the bargirls there's not much to discuss and she will quickly ask you what you want to do, BBBJ, BB, etc and where to go, and of course how much you pay.
Talking about price, I just always offer 5$ and eventually go up to 7-8 or even 10 if she's really nice and friendly nut never ever above 10$ even if some skanks dared to asked 20 and even 30$ maybe it was a way to tell me they don't like me, I know I could start from 3$ but I don't give a shit and I would be scared to get a girl accepting 3$ as she must be either sick or willing to steal my money or make troubles. A normal hooker would never go below 5-6$ with a barang.
So, you set the price and the conditions, and you either drive to your hotel or to a guesthouse where you pay a room for one hour.
I never take them to my house for security reasons, I could do it with a couple ones I've been a few times but I don't feel safe.
In str. 70 (Toul Kork) there are dozens of guesthouses, they will all ask 2$ but the real price is 5000 riels, they give you a small soap, one condom, and towels.
Some are big with 50 rooms on 4-5 floors, others are cardboard rooms underground, that's quite exotic if you've a sense of adventure.
Some of the ones underground are really abysmal and claustrophobic, someone should make a movie about this and I haven't even tried the stilt wooden homes.
Where there's the train track (sort of snooky's chicken farm but more dangerous, avoid!).
A much better option are the guesthouses near the old Boeung Kak before the muslim restaurant and the two massage shops.
The rooms are OK (imagine a 5$/night guesthouse) and they're ok with 5000 riels.
There are also a few guesthouses in 118 and surroundings, but they're hard to spot as they look the same as proper small guesthouses.
Inside you have the usual queen bed, fan, toilet with cold water, and no windows.
So, by all means going local means you must like it rough but actually it's not as rough as they say, the real shit is only in the chicken farms and the wooden stilts, that's Cambodia at its best!
Now, talking about the girls.
There's a wide range of girls on offer, from the ones dressed in pijama who badly need a shower to the few ones dressed exactly like the freelancers in 51, the only big difference is their english is not so fluent as in 51 or in the bars, but neither is zero so whatever girl you will talk she will always be able to discuss price and service with no problem, just don't expect too much discussion about anything else.
Of course it's a totally different experience from hostess bars, in hostess bars you can chat for hours if you want, with street girls you really go straight to the sex and if she's friendly you will french kiss and talk for a while but it's not the norm.
So, there are a few rough diamonds but no more than 5% in my opinion and expect the girl to have a few scars and heavy make up, there's a reason if they don't work in more upscale places.
Smell can also be a factor, some girls smell of the typical wooden stilt stink I can recognize that smell from a mile away now.
Others are fresh from the shower so no problem and in any case they all shower before doing sex with you and you're expected to shower too.
Security : so far NEVER had a single trouble but if that matters I've never had troubles even with 100$ girls nor with any other girl in my life.
Maybe a key factor is I don't make sex while drunk, so keep that in mind, moreover I like to pick them up before 22PM, with 20. 30 being the best window of opportunity.
You will see street girls on the road even at 04AM and a few desperate even later in the mekong riverside but I would stay away as there's usually too much booze or drug involved and you'll be also the last customer of the day!
As for daytime, it's a shit as most of them are the real rock bottom, yaba addicts, skanks, zombies, I've never seen a single girl I would shag in daytime around what Phnom.
And they're not many also, maybe 20-30 altogether, I think some even sleep there!
For 2$ massages daytime is good, the girls are always relaxed and take care of you, while by night they dress better but ask more money and have a bad attitude.
(many double as pick-up girls but ask crazy money, even 30$ ST!).
And finally, talk about the service.
Well, as you can imagine it's very hit or miss but I can say that is not as bad as many mongers claim!
I had some of my best shags with street hookers and chicken farmers and that's exactly why I keep going back!
I also had some of the worst experiences but that's life.
With one girl I even refused to do sex and I drove her back to what phnom, she had really a bad smell and she acted like crazy and while she looked ok when dressed she was like a zombie once I undressed her, really skin and bones.
So, anything can happen. And you can't expect to be always lucky.
As for the lucky shags, it's very important to talk with the girl and see if there's a minimal feeling with her, if she smiles and if she's friendy etc. I wouldn't take someone acting too mechanic or looking bored.
As a service they will all just want to do BB with condom, but just ask and they're usually open to BBBJ and sometimes more, problem is I don't feel very safe doing too much with these girls, especially if we talk about eating pussy I would think twice before! Same for anal, not my cup of tea but many girls for sure are three holers if you add 3-4 dollars.
As far as I see they will all go bareback if you offer 1$ more. I mean they all do it. I guess if they don't do it must be because they're sick or on their period.
Yeah it's scary so think twice before going bareback, you never really know. They shag tuktuk drivers, weirdos, and any sort of low life khmers.
At Rick,
I've been all around asia apart a few countries and in all the poor ones there were always tales of "virgin trade" and arranged weddings for rich foreigners, especially for koreans and japanese it seems to be very popular they've even agencies arranging the whole stuff, sort of mail-order bride business, Vietnam in particular.
Fully agree with Goober that if you don't speak the local language you cannot be a player, but this is not a showstopper if you're serious about finding a bride.
Even in remote areas of Nepal or Burma some locals told me girls were eager to find a foreign husband so it can't be so hard I think if you properly plan and budget your wife-seeking mission.
BUT, and there's a big but, is it worth it?
First of all we're talking of very poor families with lots of kids to feed, for them a rich husband being foregner or local is like winning the lottery, that's exactly why they're so open and enthusiastic at the whole idea!
It's all about money, yeah she will marry you and the family will treat you like a king but after that you'll be supposed to be milked forever and squeezed like a lemon, no matter if you take the girl overseas they will ask cash to be wired via western union or whatever that's how it works I've seen WU offices even in godforsaken villages of india and nepal where they've barely running water and electricity.
Will she love you? Never ever. She will just be your "maid" doing sex on the side, that's the best scenario actually, in the worst scenario she will get homesick and do any sort of crazy drama, cry all day, going into deep depression, and all, maybe also as a trick to force you to take her back to her home where she will find a new local husband.
There's a whole industry around this, girls in poor areas are private property of their families, they can refuse a few guys but they're supposed to accept the family's will in the end, and money is always the most important factor involved in the choice.
So, personally I can't see the point into playing this game, it's a game you cannot win unless you're really lucky and find a good girl that genuinely likes you etc etc.
Of course you can do it in Cambodia and price will vary, Goober gave you a realistic idea of the prices involved in a wedding party, it can't be rock bottom cheap as it's first and foremost and occasion for the family to gain face! The more people they can invite, the more monks they can pay. It's all face and status symbol earned.
If you're so fool to take such a girl back in the West you're in for a big disappointment, these farm girls could hardly fit into a city like Phnom Penh, let alone in europe or america or australia with nobody speaking their language and nobody selling their local food and not a single friend to talk with. Forget it man. It would be a disaster and she'll never be happy no matter if you try your best, it's not you the problem but the whole idea of forcing her to settle down in another foreign country where she's 100% alien to pretty much anything.
A vietnamese bride with some effort can start enjoying her new life in Korea or Japan, but a khmer in Germany or Canada? No way!
They're not like the Chinese who are a bit more open to the outer world, Khmers and Thais are very insular, even some khmers born in the west are full of shit and homesick and can't wait to go back to asia.
If you really want to marry one of them, you must live here, and then it will you the one expected to learn K'mai and eat the cr-ap food she will cook you.
That's what I did with my Khmer GFs, well let's say I eat 50% Khmer and step by step I started to get a taste for it but it took me a long time.
As for the language, my Khmer is as bad as before and same for their English, we both see no point into going too far once we reach a level where we can discuss the most basic things in English.
And don't expect any philosophical discussion with her, these girl live in a very basic world, they just don't think the way we do and they see no point in overthinking unless they're artists or had a decent education, and they've also no curiosity for the outer world, they will tell you they would like to see Thailand or vietnam but once you cross the border they instantly feel like a fish out of water, they don't like the food, they can't speak with anybody, etc etc. And this was in vietnam with my GF who was originally Khmer Krom and spoke some vietnamese!
I know bargirls who lived in north America and Europe for a few years, none of them like the idea of going back apart for the easy money they got from their sponsors.
They just can not fit in, period!
Call it what you want, it's a bride price. Unless you think a girl's illiterate retired rice farmer parents from Kampong Cham who don't even have a toilet in their $1500 house are going to plan out an elaborate $5000 wedding. Most of that money is going in their pocket. If the family is well off (a rarity) they will give you some of the money back after the wedding.
Many girls you will meet already have a set price in mind. You can meet friends with one saying her family needs 5000 to marry and the other saying hers needs 3000. That has nothing to do with wedding party costs and everything to do with family finances, age, and perceived beauty.
You may find the word bride price offensive. I find it offensive that the practice even exists anywhere in the world 2013. I also find the grinding poverty in Cambodia offensive.
There's nothing about a bride price that means the woman has no say in it. She does. She might even really love you. But you'll still pay. For Khmer men who don't have money their own recourse is to try to convince her to run off an elope. It happens, but it's not as common. Results vary.
You can keep your anti-American chauvinism by the way (besides, I was born in Europe). Store it next to your bizarre attempts at the phonetic spelling of Khmer words.
I doubt you were doing much of anything before I was born, unless you are now in your 70's.
ThePrinz's posts are hardly for "first timers." Unless those first timers want to end up disgusted, sick, and quite possibly robbed. That's real hardcore cheap charlie stuff. If you're so hard up that you can't spend 20 bucks for a go, you should probably stay home. Street wise people can manage it without a problem. As he says it's for expats. What he means in those grizzled old guys who look like they haven't shaved or bathed for weeks that walk around in dirty clothes stinking of beer and failure. There are actually guys who live in other countries that either earn enough now or managed to save enough back home to live a standard of life BETTER than they had in their own countries. Those guys wouldn't go anywhere near the girls he's mentioned. To each his own, all I'm doing is putting out a warning to newbies and letting people wondering where the quality is know that it ain't in the $7 cardboard screw houses.
But hey what do I know? GM is a guy that has an unlimited supply of virgins (from where we aren't honored or intelligent enough to know) and can somehow manage a trip to Kampong Som (Shianoukville) in half the time that it actually takes. He's obviously the resident expert.
I wish he would PM me with some of his wisdom. I might be heading back very soon via Vietnam.
All of your thorough reports indicate that since the raids on MPs, there's not much daytime going on. Is the Sothearos Blvd MP still open? Any P4P during the day? Any info appreciated.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1448644]Call it what you want, it's a bride price. Unless you think a girl's illiterate retired rice farmer parents from Kampong Cham who don't even have a toilet in their $1500 house are going to plan out an elaborate $5000 wedding. Most of that money is going in their pocket. If the family is well off (a rarity) they will give you some of the money back after the wedding.
Many girls you will meet already have a set price in mind. You can meet friends with one saying her family needs 5000 to marry and the other saying hers needs 3000. That has nothing to do with wedding party costs and everything to do with family finances, age, and perceived beauty.
You may find the word bride price offensive. I find it offensive that the practice even exists anywhere in the world 2013. I also find the grinding poverty in Cambodia offensive.
There's nothing about a bride price that means the woman has no say in it. She does. She might even really love you. But you'll still pay. For Khmer men who don't have money their own recourse is to try to convince her to run off an elope. It happens, but it's not as common. Results vary...[/QUOTE]I agree with you on everything, but your discrimination against Khmer people rich or poor and my driving abilities. I have said it before that I use to make it to Sihanoukville in my Benz, but it takes me longer now because I don't drive as fast as I use to and National Road. #4 has a lot more traffic now.
As far as what Phnom FLs or Phasa Sorya FL, I have never gone near them nor would I. If you read my last post to Traveler 1234. I told him St. 51 at 5 pm he wouldn't fined anything decent and to go over to St. 104 after 8 or later.
I just about fell off my chair when Prinz talked about going bareback with a girl on St. 70 by the US Embassy.
Oh, and as I recall about how fast it takes to get to Sihanoukville I apologized to everyone for out dated info.
Also you wouldn't be having a $5000 wedding to a poor farm girl, come on Rick and if you were stupid enough to hand $5000 to them you deserve to lose your money, but at least you got the girl you wanted.
And for where my supply of virgins comes from you have said yourself they're everywhere. I think it was you that said about dressing with a little class goes a long way. This is very true, I've had poor farm girls, waitresses, bank tellers, garment factory workers, and my favourite university students etc.
I don't understand Rick why you have to be so racists and derogatory against Khmer people and disrespectful of their culture when you have never been here long enough to even have a chance to understand it.
Oh well everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you don't believe me that's fine too, but I've been to more weddings here than anywhere else in my entire life.
Wish you all the best anyway Rick and I would appreciate it if you don't hold it against me that we don't see eye to eye on some things, I have seen you give solid good safe advice to newbies and I have never been to the Philippines and before I go maybe you could help me out if you've been there.
Cheers.
P. S. Girls here do read this blog, I received a call from a lady who asked me not to posts anymore pics of her, sorry honey, I won't. I'm free tomorrow except for some banking I have to do. Let's get together after.
[quote=rick rock;1448644]there's nothing about a bride price that means the woman has no say in it. she does. she might even really love you. but you'll still pay. for khmer men who don't have money their own recourse is to try to convince her to run off an elope. it happens, but it's not as common. results vary.[/quote]in a lot of case the girl has absolutely no say in who she marries and in a lot of cases you can be charged for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] for taking a girls cherry. this is 100% true if you take a girls virginity and her family finds out about it. they will force their daughter to bring you up on charges of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], because of the shame she has brought on the family or she will be disowned by her family for not charging you and who do you think she is going to listen to you or her father.
please take note of this that if you are going to take a girls virginity that you take her to a gh or hotel and have her sign in, they photo copy her id and she pays for the room. oh, and make sure you pick the gh or hotel she might already plan on scamming you and the gh or hotel will be getting a cut or sorry they call it tea here, if someone offers a cup of tea that is code for i'll cut you in on some of the money. don't fool your self it happens.
or you stand a chance of being on the tv show," knocked up abroad." this all comes down to her parents about charging you, but if you have evidence that she willingly checked into a gh or hotel with you, you'll have your butt covered and won't be shelling out thousands of dollars to stay out of prison.
point being a girl may offer up her cherry to you for a few hundred dollars and you'll be thinking what a deal you got. oh. you got a deal alright. this is just one reason i tell none expats and even expats you can't play my game. you don't know all the rules and it can cost you large.
and rick i don't care what you say about me, i'm being dead serious on this one. the same as you telling newbies not to be picking up fl at what phnom or on st. 70 you'll get a deal alright.
cheers.
At Rick Rock,
Hahaha! Sorry but you must be a newbie.
The irony is you suggest to only pick up bargirls as if paying 20 bucks + 10$ barfine could give you an upper class girl?
I would be glad to show you where the girls I know from Lemon bar, Cavalry bar, Candy Bar, Butterfly bar. 104, etc most of them actually live nearby 118 and 110 in a couple absolutely awful building of colonial era falling to pieces! For the record none of them pay more than 50$/month to rent a sort of cardboard room with shared toilet (only cold water and a hole in the ground) and eat their 1$ khmer meal three times a day at Psar Chas or Psar Kandal or even in the basement of their building where for the residents it's as cheap as 0.50$ for a bowl of rice or a soup.
So why do they smell good and look fresh? First of all their apartment is only shared among girls and they try to keep it relatively clean, each apartment has 5-6 girls and an old lady which is typically a former mamasan or ex bargirl too.
At 17PM they all shower and prepare to go work at 18 or 19PM, they brush their teeth, dress up with fresh clothes and start doing make-up.
There's no way you would think they live in such a shithole as they come out of the door looking good and smelling good but indeed they do live in such a shithole and by the way I've seen a lot worse than that in Toul Kork, south of Toul Tom Pong, and of course in the chicken farms where one of the highlights was the girls throwing the used condoms down a crack in the pavement in the pond below the stilt home!
And yet there's stuff more hardcore than that, I mean I've seen such a poverty in some other places that the chicken farms are a luxury hotel in comparison, no idea if there's sex to be had in the very poorest areas but I'm not going to investigate that, believe or not I've some standards too and while I can be ok to take some photos I'm not going to put my dick in a 1$ hooker or whatever.
And then again, what about the infamous "White house" in Sothearos Blvd? That's a place even I am not eager to try out and a friend of mine who did got almost beaten up by one of the pimps outside.
You may wonder, if these girls and especially the girls at Mr. Butterfly who have set up a sort of agreement to never be barfined for less than 50$ ST look so good and make so much easy money why the live in such shitholes?
It's simple, because that's the standard where their family lives and where they're born, it's nothing unusual for them, it's the most normal thing, what's shocking for them is getting 100$ LT and being taken to sleep at Himawari or Cambodiana. That's indeed a world apart for them even if after some time they get used to it.
Besides, where do you think they were working before being hired in 136? I'll tell you where. In some rundown 2$ massage and a few were street hookers that went upscale after their spoken english became good enough to work in a bar.
By the way, you may think the bars in 104 or 136 only hire the best girls.
No, there's no drilling from mamasans, the girls are not even requested to show their naked body in order to see if she's a drug addict or if she has huge scars or whatever, the bar doesn't give a shit about that as they only make money with lady drinks and barfines! If she's a "lemon" it's up to you and it's your problem. Only if she makes troubles and you go back to complain they will eventually fire her on the spot but since there's a high demand for bargirls she will quickly move to the bar next door and blame the mamasan for it.
There's no code of honour among bargirls, they all support each other in theory but they're all ready to stab each other in the back when needed.
They all look like friends but they're not. They've their 3-4 trusted friends often living together in the same apartment and that's all, they don't often like the other girls because they're in direct competition with them and ironically because they're too "bitchy"!
You may also ask yourself why if some street working girls are OK they don't work in a proper bar?
Simple, because they are unemployable due to their bad temper or drug use or alcohol abuse or even just because they can't manage to show up on time and be smiling and friendly with customers.
Any girl can work in a bar, but many don't have the basic skills needed.
A lot of them are in a bad mood sometimes, others are lunatic, others tell customers to fuck off. That's no good and they will fired and once they get fired 5-6 times in a row they give up and go back as freelancers or in the street, simple as that and to each his own, maybe they're just not cut for that life and they could even make more money alone, see the freelancers at Nagaworld or Pontoon asking crazy prices and often finding the suckers who pay for it.
In conclusion, here what you see is never what you get!
The scenario you're painting is an illusion, it's virtual reality for the sake of mongers and newbies but any decent expat knows very well the score and what's really going on and will tell you otherwise.
All the girls in bars are realistically worth no more than 5-10$ ST.
The only exception are the few cases of farm fresh girls who start straight in the best bars and are relatively not yet hardened by the whoring business.
There are some and I know a couple cases, but they often don't last long as they get married with a customer or become full time girlfriends with somebody and leave the bar biz behind or go live in another country for weeks or months or years.
It's unavoidable, it's just up to the customer to pay for all her needs and suddenly working in bar doesn't make any sense for her.
None of the girls like to work in a bar, I mean none of them like to work at all actually, it's just a way to earn quick bucks and do fuck all sitting down a table and chat with strangers and make easy money with drinks and tips, they don't even need to fuck actually, that's why so many girls only do lady drinks.
There's an endless supply of foreign "white knights" falling in love for a bargirl and wanting to "rescue" her or marrying her.
Always been like that and always will be like that, bars are just one step in the career of these girls, none of them plans to be a bargirl forever.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1448644]Call it what you want, it's a bride price. Unless you think a girl's illiterate retired rice farmer parents from Kampong Cham who don't even have a toilet in their $1500 house are going to plan out an elaborate $5000 wedding. Most of that money is going in their pocket. If the family is well off (a rarity) they will give you some of the money back after the wedding.
Many girls you will meet already have a set price in mind. You can meet friends with one saying her family needs 5000 to marry and the other saying hers needs 3000. That has nothing to do with wedding party costs and everything to do with family finances, age, and perceived beauty...[/QUOTE]I'm no expert about bride prices or "sin sot" as in Thailand.
But I'm sure the girls will "size you up" before asking a specific price.
As a foreigner there's no reason for her family to ask you less than 1000 or 2000 bucks and honestly for a wedding it would be cheap even among khmers.
By the way, from what I've heard it would be also a loss of face for them if you don't pay too much, it's like saying that her girl is worth nothing.
But the point is. This "dowry" only applies to virgins, never ever to bargirls! But I heard many stories about bargirls asking crazy sums of money profiting from clueless foreigners.
As a practice it will never go away, it seems to be the standard pretty much all over asia.
If they don't ask for money right away they will discuss about you buying a new house or something, in one way or another you'll have to put the money where your mouth is.
Grinding poverty : and probably you have just scratched the surface, try going in the very poorest slums and tell me. I've seen people living like rats, literally! Even the dogs were cleaner than their owners.
Yeah it can be shocking but after some time you get used to it, after all it's not so much better in countryside Laos or Burma or western China from what I've seen so far.
The lesson to learn is we're not aware of how much rich we're in comparison to most of the non-western world, even 10$ go a long way in this part of the world.