Moscow

IT Traveller, Thanks Thanks Thanks
Information you gave are very useful.
I can now imagine that during a possible trip to Russia I won’t be alone or cheated (hopefully)
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Can you please tell us also if prices reported over the sites are reliable?
Meaning when you get the chosen girl is she giving all the services she is offering over the web for the price asked over the web or is there any need to negotiate?

[QUOTE=Lollo Frollo]IT Traveller, Thanks Thanks Thanks
Information you gave are very useful.
I can now imagine that during a possible trip to Russia I won’t be alone or cheated (hopefully)
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Can you please tell us also if prices reported over the sites are reliable?
Meaning when you get the chosen girl is she giving all the services she is offering over the web for the price asked over the web or is there any need to negotiate?[/QUOTE]

Dear Lollo Frollo (nice name by the way!),

Have you ever seen a Russian (Soviet!) menu?

140/20/15/5… is this kind of thing familiar… If so, do not worry, if a thing is offered it’s so… This even applies to prices.

It might be that for a 1.000 RUR or for a 50 USD note you get some extras like BBBJ, CIM, or Anal. But even that for 100 USD you do not even get a kiss (if not offered!).

I think i’ts all…

Bye

IT

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]

I see Helena Moscow listed on both these sites, with what appears to be accurate info, so I assume they are not a total scam. Helena, did you list your services on these sites and can you comment on these sites?
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Did you really see me on these sites? Good news ;). The matter is that I tried to register there several tomes, but never received a confirmation letter from their admins. These sites don't charge girls for listing. Probably this is the reason why they want to charge clients. To my mind, with such great ammount of free escort web-sites in the net, it's impossible to pay anything at all for adverticement. Sites multiply and disappear, if you pay to everyone who asks, you can soon bunkrupt. The only exception is ISG, because It's really extremely useful, exists for a long time and the cost of membership is reasonable. Probably girls who prefer Russian clients find paying for popular sites listings good for business. But I have worked through the net for about 5 month, without even a normal web-site and portfolio, just with 2-3 pictures made by myself in front of mirror, and, still, business goes OK. When I publish my new beautiful site with professional photos, I expect an explosion of calls. And still I don't plan to spend any extra money on promotion. Because the best thing about the internet is that all is possible to find here absolutely for free, just may be you'll need a little bit more information and time.

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Anyway, a quick question for all you experts out there who have managed to get inside a dyevs head - out of a $100 I pay a girl from an agency, what does she get and what does the agency/madam get? Thus, if a girl gives you her number directly do you still pay her at the same rate or would you expect a discount?
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Agency gets from 30 to 60% of girls' money, usually 50%. If you meet the same girl without the agency, you are expected to pay the same - no discount, because otherwise there is no reason to cheat the agent. There is always a risk that you'll tell the agent about your direct appointments, which may spoil relationships between the girl and the agent, and as a result the agent will give her less job. By the way, it's not easy to find good agents, so nobody wants to loose them without a reason. There is another point - it's psycologically important for a girl how much the client paid (it's sometimes even more important than how much she gets from this amount). Each girl has a limit below which she will not go. Usually this limit is the lowest price of the agency she works for. Example: a girl works through some agency, client pays 150$, 30% of which goes to the agent, girl feels OK. Another situation: the same client (or another) tries to get her at 100$ directly, but she may refuse, because fucking for 100$ can make me feel cheap, though it will be the same amount at hands.

First of all thanks to Helena for her inside scoop.

I think the central motivation for skipping the agent is not necessarily to save the agency fee, but rather to assure that the girl is getting the entire amount you are paying her. Whether or not her getting the entire amount will affect her performance or motivation is up to the girl, but it still should make the paying john feel better... I know I prefer when the deal is direct.

I think it is important to not be too cheap with the girls. I dont mean we should over pay by any means and I myself try to pay not more than $150-200 for the night or $100-150 for 2-3 hours... which is middle range in terms of Moscow pricing, but sometimes an extra $50 can make a big difference to her or to the chemistry of the meeting... no girl likes a guy who keeps haggling about the price and trying to push it down to an absolute minimum... and quite frankly, I believe the Russian mentality simply doesnt respect this "nickle and diming". Lets face it, if you cant afford an extra $50, then maybe Moscow isnt the right place for you.

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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
but sometimes an extra $50 can make a big difference to her or to the chemistry of the meeting... no girl likes a guy who keeps haggling about the price and trying to push it down to an absolute minimum... and quite frankly, I believe the Russian mentality simply doesnt respect this "nickle and diming". Lets face it, if you cant afford an extra $50, then maybe Moscow isnt the right place for you.

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Not only extra $50, but also extra $100 can open unexpected doors...

I am there for quality cuisine, throwing party with friends and sex. So I have never cried for what I spend.

Yes, Moscow is expensive, but full of opportunities. Sometimes extras add more flavour to the services. If I am gone have sinful threesome with extra $150 than what’s the bang…

I agree with Dr Skank, as usual by the way!

I’m staying around 100-150 USD for a Salon visit (two hours) and at 200/300 USD for an overnighter, sometimes it means only 5-6 hours sometimes it means a really GFE overnight from 8 PM to 10 AM. This of course depends on the girls (Agency etc.)

By the way the prices are sometimes very interesting: if you go to a house of three/four girls, often you can get a nice threesome (two hours) for approx 200/250 USD. Often the girls are really nice. You can check on the sites…

In some hotels (I always avoid these girls) ugly ones are priced at 100.150/hour sometimes even 200!

By the way to Europeans: use dollars or roubles. Thre are still young teens and even older girls thinking that 1 € is 1 USD!

Usually my normal standard (when I have plenty of time) is simple: a early come in, drinks food (by room service) and a lot of sex of course, including all the extras (BBBJ, CIM, Photo, Anal. etc.). So usually a overnighter with all the extra stuff goes on 9.000-11.000 RUR Inluding security bribe for 1.000.

I prefer the Russian system of hotels on ground you should have the girl in the room before 11 PM, at the front security desk they will register her, and with all I’ve heard on robbing and so on (having PC etc with me) it’s worth it. I never had any problem.

IT

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]First of all thanks to Helena for her inside scoop.

I think the central motivation for skipping the agent is not necessarily to save the agency fee, but rather to assure that the girl is getting the entire amount you are paying her. Whether or not her getting the entire amount will affect her performance or motivation is up to the girl, but it still should make the paying john feel better... I know I prefer when the deal is direct.
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I do agree with Doctor_Skank for his reasons plus the fact that in most countries, including mine, the “agency” business is illegal, the girls business is not.
I find in this low construction ethically related, at least in my view, but I do understand this is very personal.
In addition to this when you get in contact with non agency coordinated girls you have more chances to have a better appointment and sometimes also true sex.
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Having said that it is not simple at all to come to meet such girls.

Lollo

Last year I had a heck of a time getting from Moscow to Odessa and back. Aerosvit just this month began non-stop 737 service between Odessa and Moscow. It will fly 5 days per week this summer. This will make it much easier for someone who wants to do both ODS and Moscow in the same trip. Plus, it will make it easier for the RU girls to get to ODS! :)

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capss005... I know I'm getting old and jaded, but let me see if I have this straight! You are going to pay this girl over $1,000 per day to be your companion and provide full-service during your trip? I supposed she'd be willing to do the week for say... $7,000? What a deal!

Plus, add in dinner at Cafe Pushkin... You can't miss that experience... $400+ with "red wine"!

Sushi lunches with champagne, French of course no Russian/Ukrainian swill for this girl... $300.

Plus, you would never expect her to accept staying in an apartment... only the National or Hyatt will do... $450-$500 per night!

If you get get through the week for less than $12,000, you'll be damn lucky!

Now, don't get me wrong... if money is no object and if you actually are attracted to this girl... go for it! BUT, methinks you are falling into the trap many who visit a new country for the first time... they overplan!

Trust me! You'll see so many fine women in Moscow, I think you'll curse the day you ever ran across her webpage! Even in this day and age, $1,000 should buy you almost anything you want in Moscow for the day.... that's assuming that you don't want to explore a little without her tagging along.

Just my observation! Have a fun trip!

Now, don't get me wrong. If money is no object and if you actually are attracted to this girl. Go for it! BUT, methinks you are falling into the trap many who visit a new country for the first time. They overplan!

Trust me! You'll see so many fine women in Moscow, I think you'll curse the day you ever ran across her webpage! Even in this day and age, $1, 000 should buy you almost anything you want in Moscow for the day. That's assuming that you don't want to explore a little without her tagging along.

Just my observation! Have a fun trip!

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Your arguments can be useful for some guys but not for me, you are right in some things, but not in 1000 that can buy anything in Moscow: what is 1000 nowadays especially for a city such as Moscow that considered to be on of the most expensive ones in the world.

I prefer ladies with good education, good taste, good English and don't like hunting in the streets alone and hanging in the bars, to all that you never know who you meet in such places as Moscow and other cities of Eastern Europe, I read a good report about her in Captain 69 where a guy says that she has beautiful looks and good education

- these two things are very important for me, at least I pay 2 and sometimes 3 times more than this in London, Munich and Paris. She speaks very good English on the telephone and I heard that it's not so simple to find a girl in Moscow who will

Be speaking English fluently, and for me one of the most important things is history and culture of Moscow, and she is also a guide round the city that is also important for me at least I could talk to her about something different from where I am from and what I do in life and where I traveled, I tried cheap escorts and was very much unsatisfied, a very big difference.

To all that I am a married man and cannot afford myself meeting free women and twist them round my finger making them think that our relations can be something stable.

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So why not phoning her instead of hanging in the clubs and wasting your time.

Don't get me wrong; but you are just wasting your money for an ordinary looking escort.

At first I thought the same way, money was not issue; I could get what ever I want. YES, you can and that is the beauty of Moscow. YES, mongering is cheaper than Paris, States and other EU cities, but don’t fool yourself. It’s nonsense to spend that amount of money only one girl. No matter how well she speaks English, how well educated she is, she doesn’t deserve that much money.

There are hundreds of well-educated English speaking girls available in the market. I understand your thought; you don’t want to hang around at bars or clubs trying to find a decent girl in your taste.

Karoline or what ever her name is, she looks ordinary. There are better looking girls…

[QUOTE=Capss 005] Your arguments can be useful for some guys but not for me, you are right in some things, but not in 1000 that can buy anything in Moscow: what is 1000 nowadays especially for a city such as Moscow that considered to be on of the most expensive ones in the world [/QUOTE]

Can you enlighten us, with your boundless experiences and knowledge about Moscow and Russian women? Cause it sounds like you know something that we all don’t know.


How do you know, she was her on the phone!!…Couple of good reports about her, so what…


Moscow strangely affects your senses and feelings. There are hundreds of possibilities. That’s why I don’t understand why you want to stuck only with an expensive escort.

If you really want to spend $1000 at one night, than take the two most beautiful women at NF (I am sure they can speak as good as Karoline speaks) and take a sinful journey.

You can also find English speaking, well looking girls at zna.nu Even if they do lesbi show and take you to a sinful journey with threesome, they will still cost you less than $1000.

Nobody is judging others; we are here to share our experiences.

c005... If this girl rocks your boat... GO FOR IT!

However, I challenge you to place an ad in omen.ru or similar websites offering $1,000 per day for one week to one OR two beautiful girls who must speak English and be university graduates and then... step back!

I suggest that you will soon be swamped with responses! EVEN if you don't post a photo.

I was also married for my most recent mongering tenure for the past 12 years and I can tell you that I understand your concern and desire to not waste time. However, in Russia it is a waste because it is too easy!

Good luck... If you take my challenge be sure to tell us if I was right or wrong.

If nothing else, the interviews will be great fun and if I still lived in Moscow, I'd post the ad just for the hell of it to see what rises to the surface!

I know if I offered $1,000 per day and a ticket to Odessa in June/July/August, I could not find enough apartments in Odessa to accommodate all of the takers!!! Now, if I could just afford to spend $20,000 per day for the top 20, I would indeed be a happy camper! :)

[QUOTE=Capss 005]



I prefer ladies with good education, good taste, good English and don't like hunting in the streets alone and hanging in the bars, to all that you never know who you meet in such places as Moscow and other cities of Eastern Europe, I read a good report about her in Captain 69 where a guy says that she has beautiful looks and good education

- these two things are very important for me, at least I pay 2 and sometimes 3 times more than this in London, Munich and Paris. She speaks very good English on the telephone and I heard that it's not so simple to find a girl in Moscow who will

Be speaking English fluently, and for me one of the most important things is history and culture of Moscow, and she is also a guide round the city that is also important for me at least I could talk to her about something different from where I am from and what I do in life and where I traveled, I tried cheap escorts and was very much unsatisfied, a very big difference.

To all that I like beautifully dressed women, who can choose elegant lingerie and I have seen that there is a lot of this she has.

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Tell me who doesn't have a good lingery collection in Moscow? Who is not dressing up? Who doesn't have decent education at her age and who of world-wide escorts doesn't speak English? Your message with huge amount of her links and quotations looks too much like adverticement. I'm not telling anything exact, but it starts to seem that Karolina is yourself in disguies ;). Sorry if I'm wrong.