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I think most people here are Caucasian. Any advice for those of us of SE Asian descent? I am American, but brown. On my visit to Philippines, I have not been propositioned not even once. I have not been to any of the bars in Manila, but would like to check them out. I do not know what to expect going in as a brown-skinned, non-Tagalog speaking American.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Raver, apology. Had no idea it had become this out of control at EDSA. EDSA new name: Burgos-West. While its possible the bars keep the whole barfine, if you ask your lady how much she gets, she will tell you (I did this on Burgos). The girls there got 1/2 or more of the bf (depending on the bar). They also were asking for exorbitant tip (2000-3000 was not unusual a few months ago) before leaving the bar. What makes this girl worth 4000 pesos (1500 from the barfine + 2500 tip), when another girl is going at 1500 or 2000 total?
Rob, Whatsgoing, thanks for the edjamakation. By the way, 1500 was what I paid in LA Cafe for LT a few months back, several nights. There was never any argument or up-sell from the ladies. I try to hit the price before she can. Several started at 3000 (or 2000), but there was no back-forth on price. As soon as I said "one-five for LT" they were grabbing their purse or dragging me out the door. At no point was there dickering, as in her: 3000, me: 1500, her: 2500, me: 2000. OK. It was her: 3000 (or 2000), me: 1500. OK. I come there a few times a year, prices have not moved much. I'm guessing the stinky economy everywhere is taking its toll.[/QUOTE]
WC1, I think it has to do with the short timeline business men have when they are in Manila. My last visit in EDSA I took a great girl on Friday night, LT and great GFE and asked her if she wanted to go Saturday night and she said for sure. I asked her what time she started work and she told me at 6 pm. I went into the bar at 7:30 pm and she came over already dressed. She started off by saying she was sorry she could not go with me....a guy came in at 6 pm and barfined her. He went for a business dinner and told her that he would be back by 11 pm. He was on American time and I was on Filipino time. I didn't lose the girl, I just lost my turn:D Some guys don't have a lot of time to go out or can't be seen out and they just pay the rate they are given.
The girl also had an IPhone 3G. She told me that a guy barfined her and the next day brought it for her.
But it did not matter, as there are 100's of ladies in EDSA and within 30 minutes, I had another girl friend for the night:)
Robb
[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Raver, apology. Had no idea it had become this out of control at EDSA. EDSA new name: Burgos-West. While its possible the bars keep the whole barfine, if you ask your lady how much she gets, she will tell you (I did this on Burgos). The girls there got 1/2 or more of the bf (depending on the bar). They also were asking for exorbitant tip (2000-3000 was not unusual a few months ago) before leaving the bar. What makes this girl worth 4000 pesos (1500 from the barfine + 2500 tip), when another girl is going at 1500 or 2000 total?...[/QUOTE]
No worries. Read my previous posts. I'm a regular raver/monger all over ASEAN and believe you me, I would be the last person to want to drive up prices. Everyone I spoke to told me EDSA girls don't get a single peso from the BF. Now that I think about it, that's probably untrue. Small money anyway, even if she gets PHP 600 from it, 13 bucks isnt worth debating for on this board.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Raver, apology. Had no idea it had become this out of control at EDSA. EDSA new name: Burgos-West. While its possible the bars keep the whole barfine, if you ask your lady how much she gets, she will tell you (I did this on Burgos). The girls there got 1/2 or more of the bf (depending on the bar). They also were asking for exorbitant tip (2000-3000 was not unusual a few months ago) before leaving the bar. What makes this girl worth 4000 pesos (1500 from the barfine + 2500 tip), when another girl is going at 1500 or 2000 total?
Rob, Whatsgoing, thanks for the edjamakation. By the way, 1500 was what I paid in LA Cafe for LT a few months back, several nights. There was never any argument or up-sell from the ladies. I try to hit the price before she can. Several started at 3000 (or 2000), but there was no back-forth on price. As soon as I said "one-five for LT" they were grabbing their purse or dragging me out the door. At no point was there dickering, as in her: 3000, me: 1500, her: 2500, me: 2000. OK. It was her: 3000 (or 2000), me: 1500. OK. I come there a few times a year, prices have not moved much. I'm guessing the stinky economy everywhere is taking its toll.[/QUOTE]
I have to question some of your reporting. The girls on Burgos get at least half or more of the barfine? Barfine on Burgos at night is like 3500-3900 for most bars. Are you sure of this that they are getting at least 1700 of the barfine? I've never heard that from any of them and I was just there. My understanding is that they get 1000 from barfines like that. At somewhere like Rogues, it's less as so is the barfine. My understanding also is that the women at EDSA don't get any of the barfine so please correct me on this. I personally don't like to take out of EDSA or Burgos as the lighting is far too kind to the women inside and it's a crapshoot whether they will perform, but you do get to see the bodies a lot more so than other places and get to see some beautiful sights.
Also, I was in LA Cafe and have been there plenty over the years. There are definitely girls available at 1500 or less for long time, but there also girls there who won't even bother with someone at that price. I know and have seen them reject a person continuously at that price. I think a lot of the women can be had for that price for LT especially late night, but I definitely don't think the top looking ones go for that on a daily basis if at all. My friend was trying to get this one girl who had the best body by far in the place and good face, and she walked away without hesitation at 2000. Maybe it's me and my friends that we can't get the hot girls at LA for 1500 long time or maybe something else is going on. I'm stating this so that new people don't necessarily go in there and think every woman inside will go for 1500 long time, because I am pretty certain that that's not the case. These people may be sorely disappointed in their results if they have 1500 stuck in their minds. I'm not trying to raise the prices either but maybe people saying it's such and such price and no higher may have other motives.
Anyway whatever.
[QUOTE=Noobee86]Question:
I think most people here are Caucasian. Any advice for those of us of SE Asian descent? I am American, but brown. On my visit to Philippines, I have not been propositioned not even once. I have not been to any of the bars in Manila, but would like to check them out. I do not know what to expect going in as a brown-skinned, non-Tagalog speaking American.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]It is simple, one big numbers game. Just as in sales, you have to be in the game. Don't wait for the women to approach you. They won't. You most likely look like a local. You have to take matters into your own hands. See a woman you like, go for it, speaking your "American English" most women will be surprised. Surprised and happy to be speaking to a brown American. Try it, you can't be shy. Just walk around the malls (Glorietta, Greenbelt, Mall of Asia, ETC) and the various Starbucks.
[QUOTE=Noobee86]Question:
I think most people here are Caucasian. Any advice for those of us of SE Asian descent? I am American, but brown. On my visit to Philippines, I have not been propositioned not even once. I have not been to any of the bars in Manila, but would like to check them out. I do not know what to expect going in as a brown-skinned, non-Tagalog speaking American.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm British and of asian decent, and when I was there a few weeks back I got a lot of girls looking my way.
I got even more girls giggling between each other when looking at me when I go to the provinces, cue my entrance to introduce myself ^_^ Even if you look asian, you'll be dressed and acting like a foreign guy, so you will stand out and they will know...
But I am never propositioned, just given the invitation to proposition 'them'. Either by a big smile or multiple looks my way etc... maybe you had lots of girls oogling you, but you never noticed?? That or I'm the Asian Brad Pitt 0_o
Hello Gents,
I'll be flying into Phils for my first time in August. I plan on heading out to Cebu because I want to be near the beach. Thing is, my flight arrives in Manila late at night and flights to Cebu start in the morning. So here are my questions, where to stay near the airport? What options do I have around that area, do you recommend call in service? Bite the bullet and get a taxi to AC for a night and a day?
I'm based in Japan, and I can't wait to get to a country without the foreigner not welcome sign in every door.
Thank you for your help.
No idea where to put this post but opted for here.
With a recently found hottie, we've played with whipped cream, chocolate sauce etc. Painted her in silver body paint which was fun and one happy night we were both slithering round on the bsthroom floor thanks to a bottle of olive oil (extra vigin of course LOL)
Anyways, I had bought a carton of milk for what I thought would be drinking purposes. No. My sweet hottie went naked into the glass surround shower stall and opened the milk carton and slowly poured it on her face, then obviously it spilled all over her body.
Got the video camera and think I have 4 minutes of what might be the most erotic video I have. I guess the milk becomes a metaphor for semen, but whatever it is, white milk on a dark girls body is a highly interesting visual image. And as she found out 30 seconds later, a big turn on.
If you have a frisky playful girl, and a 7-11 close by, go buy milk. Highly recommended!
[QUOTE=Bonkers Tokyo]Hello Gents,
I'll be flying into Phils for my first time in August. I plan on heading out to Cebu because I want to be near the beach. Thing is, my flight arrives in Manila late at night and flights to Cebu start in the morning. So here are my questions, where to stay near the airport? What options do I have around that area, do you recommend call in service? Bite the bullet and get a taxi to AC for a night and a day?
I'm based in Japan, and I can't wait to get to a country without the foreigner not welcome sign in every door.
Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]
BT (interesting handle)
Stay at the Marriott near Terminal 3, friend is having same issues as you and he said he got a fantastic rate via Expedia or Travelocity. Never been thbere myself but have passed it many times as I take CP to Cebu mainly as close by T3
Maybe it has in call massage services that could = happy ending. Warbucks stayed there but he took a lady.
If your PM is working will drop you a line
[QUOTE=Bonkers Tokyo]Hello Gents,
I'll be flying into Phils for my first time in August. I plan on heading out to Cebu because I want to be near the beach. Thing is, my flight arrives in Manila late at night and flights to Cebu start in the morning. So here are my questions, where to stay near the airport? What options do I have around that area, do you recommend call in service? Bite the bullet and get a taxi to AC for a night and a day?
I'm based in Japan, and I can't wait to get to a country without the foreigner not welcome sign in every door.
Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]
AC's too far. Take taxi into Makati and stay in one of the many hotels on P. Burgos. I like Oxford Suites, but there are many more. Taxi trip shouldn't take more than an hour except during rush hours. Enjoy!
[url]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20100618-276191/German-hotel-exec-shot-dead-in-Makati[/url]
Well Im sure we all saw this story.
I'm sure in later days to come there will be rumours and speculation about what the real story was. But as it didnt appear to be a robbery, have to assume that there was another angle.
As expats we all know there are many risks about life in Manila and it has a dreadful dark side.
Anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] agency rescues 200 women from Malate
abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 06/18/2010 11:02 AM | Updated as of 06/18/2010 11:02 AM
MANILA, Philippines - The government's anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] task force on Thursday night rescued at least 200 women from a girlie bar in Malate district in Manila.
Retired military officer Jesus Kabigting of the government's Inter-Agency Council Against Trafficking said the raid was conducted in response to the US State Department's report on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in the Philippines.
The US State Department said the Philippines remains in the Tier 2 list of countries whose governments have failed to show improved efforts to curb [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].
Representatives from the Manila Police District, Department of Social Welfare and Development and Department of Labor of Employment raided the LA Cafe at the corner of M.H. Del Pilar and R. Salas streets in Malate around 10:30 p.m..
Kabigting said majority of the women are being peddled to to foreigners in Malate district. He said some of those rescued were only waitresses, but are also considered as victims of forced labor and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].
He said the women, particularly the prostitutes, will be "rehabilitated" and provided with alternative livelihood.
"Anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] operations ito... Iyon ang dahilan kaya nagsagawa tayo ng walang humpay na operation against [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] (This ia an anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] operation... That is the reason why we are conducting operations against [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url])," Kabigting told reporters referring to the US State Department's report.
He said similar raids will also be conducted nationwide.
Kabigting assured that charges will be filed against the owner of the bar.
"Whether they have a permit to operate or not, they are committing acts in violation of the anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] law. We will investigate them," he said.
The US State Department was critical of the Philippine performance in all three benchmarks (prevention, protection and prosecution).
It said that despite several labor trafficking cases were filed, the Philippine government never convicted any offenders.
"Despite overall efforts, the government did not show evidence of significant progress in convicting trafficking offenders, particularly those responsible for labor trafficking,” the US State Department said in its report. -- Report from Francis Faulve, ABS-CBN News
[url]http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/06/18/10/anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]-agency-rescues-200-women-malate[/url]
[QUOTE=Globe Spinner]AC's too far. Take taxi into Makati and stay in one of the many hotels on P. Burgos. I like Oxford Suites, but there are many more. Taxi trip shouldn't take more than an hour except during rush hours. Enjoy![/QUOTE]Thank you fellow mongers. I'll consider both options. Most likely I will stay near the airport though. As this will be my first time in Manila, I just want a relaxing night before moving on the next day.
If anyone is in Cebu, I'd love a wingman for my first trip.
[QUOTE=Robbaf]MANILA, Philippines - The government's anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] task force on Thursday night rescued at least 200 women from a girlie bar in Malate district in Manila.
raided the LA Cafe at the corner of M.H. Del Pilar and R. Salas streets in Malate around 10:30 p.m.[/QUOTE]This is really surprising, it does not appear to me that any of the women there were there against there will?
I will be in Malate on Monday and planned on visiting LA Cafe and other places. This report has me a little concerned. Any fedback from would be appriciated.
[QUOTE=Robbaf]Anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] agency rescues 200 women from Malate
abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 06/18/2010 11:02 AM | Updated as of 06/18/2010 11:02 AM
MANILA, Philippines - The government's anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] task force on Thursday night rescued at least 200 women from a girlie bar in Malate district in Manila.
Retired military officer Jesus Kabigting of the government's Inter-Agency Council Against Trafficking said the raid was conducted in response to the US State Department's report on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in the Philippines.
The US State Department said the Philippines remains in the Tier 2 list of countries whose governments have failed to show improved efforts to curb [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].
Representatives from the Manila Police District, Department of Social Welfare and Development and Department of Labor of Employment raided the LA Cafe at the corner of M.H. Del Pilar and R. Salas streets in Malate around 10:30 p.m..
Kabigting said majority of the women are being peddled to to foreigners in Malate district. He said some of those rescued were only waitresses, but are also considered as victims of forced labor and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].
He said the women, particularly the prostitutes, will be "rehabilitated" and provided with alternative livelihood.
"Anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] operations ito... Iyon ang dahilan kaya nagsagawa tayo ng walang humpay na operation against [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] (This ia an anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] operation... That is the reason why we are conducting operations against [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url])," Kabigting told reporters referring to the US State Department's report.
He said similar raids will also be conducted nationwide.
Kabigting assured that charges will be filed against the owner of the bar.
"Whether they have a permit to operate or not, they are committing acts in violation of the anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] law. We will investigate them," he said.
The US State Department was critical of the Philippine performance in all three benchmarks (prevention, protection and prosecution).
It said that despite several labor trafficking cases were filed, the Philippine government never convicted any offenders.
"Despite overall efforts, the government did not show evidence of significant progress in convicting trafficking offenders, particularly those responsible for labor trafficking,” the US State Department said in its report. -- Report from Francis Faulve, ABS-CBN News
[url]http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/06/18/10/anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]-agency-rescues-200-women-malate[/url][/QUOTE]