Guess I will go back to discussing everything upfront for a while
I had a rare free 1-2 nights from my regular stable of repeat favorites this week so last night I found myself being flagged over to visit with a lovely, slim, light skin, blondish, mid-20's lady in one of the new Soi 11 area beer bars. We knew each other already. I had stopped in to buy her a couple of drinks twice before. She was always pleasant and even displayed a level of touchy-feely affection for me. But I had never before mentioned paying the barfine and taking her for a ST or LT.
Mostly, that was because I usually had a meeting with one of my favs pending anyway. But another part of it was she is clearly the best looker in her bar and within eye shot of every other bar in the immediate vicinity. In my experience, that pushes the chances of me having anything close to Real Sex with her, BBFS+CIP or a Real Blowjob, BBBJ+CIM optimally with a Swallow finish, way, way out there to astronomical levels.
But last night I decided it was time to throw caution to the wind and, why not, try a little experiment with "go with the flow and see what happens in the room", which I had not done for months. Typically, I will cite the 3-4 important things I need in order to justify paying a barfine and taking the girl, secure an upfront agreement from her, Yes or No, and do it at a time when the girl is still relatively sober and can easily choose a different customer if her answer to any or all is No. That's my usual approach and style.
But not last night with this particular girl. Why not experiment with revisiting the old "go with the flow"?
Here is why not. For me, that is. As always, YMMV.
And this was about as pure a "go with the flow" as I have ever had, too. After a couple of games of pool and 2 LDs, I said I wanted to pay the 500 baht barfine and take her. She gave it a moment of thought and said Ok. There was no discussion of money, of ST vs LT, of any kind of sex, condom or no condom, nothing. I kind of felt good about that, figured my now 3 friendly and fun social and LD visits with her had built up a trust that did not require itemizing everything.
Now, I generally expect and accept the risk that most of the time I have done the "go with the flow" approach, I wind up with no viable sex for me at all and I might just throw in some DATY if that is the only "uncovered" sex option allowed anywhere on any table at any reasonable price and because I enjoy doing that a lot anyway.
This time, in the room, not even DATY was an option. I had to undress her while she repeated how shy she is. She quickly cupped her hands over her pussy and exclaimed, "No! I am too shy"!
Ditto for anything more than a quick chicken peck kiss with her lips zipped closed tight. Ditto with me placing my hand on her pussy. She pushed it away. And kissing her breasts. "That tickles! I am too shy"!
Finally, I just said ok, up to you, whatever you can do, do it. Actually, I was just curious as hell to see where this ultimate "gp with the flow" bit would go. I have a long term multi day visit starting tomorrow with my current favorite fav anyway. So it's not like I will be great sex-deprived anytime soon. And I had the no discussion of money on my side.
We wound up cuddling naked, watching Netflix until she drifted off to sleep about 15 minutes later. Maybe 11 pm. Interestingly, she stayed all night. Sure, once or twice I would stroke her naked butt or caress her breasts. She would brush my hand aside. I didn't bother to try more than twice.
This morning, she rolled out of bed about 10 am, got dressed and prepared to leave. I placed 300 baht on the table next to her purse. Ok, for her nakedness and keeping my bed warm. She didn't seem to notice until I pointed to it and said, "I gave you something. You want it?" A sweet simple wai and she put it in her purse.
I offered to give her a ride on my motorbike to the nearest bts station. She accepted. The whole way she hugged me affectionately and pressed her cheek against my back. Go figure. There are a lot of strange girls in this business. Especially if they are the best lookers in the bar, shop, vicinity.
I don't think condom or no condom was the issue for that girl. Or the money.
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2745936]I don't know for sure, seeing as I've only been in Thailand once, but my suspicion is it has to do with you picking up bar girls. It doesn't take many days / weeks / months hanging out in a bar to wise up in terms of getting away with the least amount of service for the most money. My experience kind of mirrors yours, in a sense. Massage parlor girls always wanted condoms. However, 10 out of 10 times I went with freelancers, condoms were never even brought up.[/QUOTE]Well, for me that was a rare total crash and burn of no touching, no kissing, no sex at all with a bargirl. Which I attribute to my deciding to "go with the flow" with that particular bargirl.
Had I asked for a pre-barfine upfront agreement for DFK, DATY, BBBJ and BBFS+CIP as I usually do with bargirls or any situation where I invest in LDs and / or a barfine, I assume she would have recoiled in horror and run crying to the mamasan for emotional solace. Which would have been fine with me. That's why I secure an upfront agreement for those things; to avoid potential problems in the room. With the back up go-to upfront agreement being for BBBJ+CIP if I still want to take the girl after she says No to BBFS+CIP. Add +Swallow if the bargirl won't come down to 2,000 - 2,500 baht from 3,000 baht or some other silly amount. And she might say No to that, too. Again, fine with me.
In this rare case the girl only got shit money for leaving the bar at 9:30 pm and staying in my room until after 10 AM the next day; just 300 baht. I was out only 500 baht for the barfine, 300 baht to her and maybe 400 baht in the bar for drinks and pool. And for that I got a valuable reminder of how much better for me that upfront agreement approach is vs "go with the flow."
In any case, this girl's behavior was so bizarre I am sure if I slipped condoms on my tongue, nose, dick, both ears, all ten fingers, all ten toes and the tv remote control she still would have slapped both hands firmly over her pussy to prevent any contact at all and locked her mouth shut as tight as a drum. We never had one word of conversation about condom or no condom. That wasn't part of her head trip or whatever.
Yes, massage shop girls and so-called PSE shops like Tulip have been a disaster for me in terms of bareback Real Sex. I don't even bother trying in those places more than once every few years.
Now, 10 out of 10 freelancers going for bareback Real Sex without a word about condoms is a very good success rate. LOL. Hard to beat 100% with at least 10 in the sample.
Do you choose "likely to fuck me without mentioning a condom" girls to approach and take from the get-go? Nothing wrong with that, of course. Or are you saying you take or book the hottest FLs you can find in clubs, on the stroll or online and, lo and behold, not even 1 out of 10 has so much as uttered the word "condom"?
For me, my rate of success with FLs, go-go bargirls and beer bargirls runs about 60-65% overall. But, mind you, I am not merely going for bareback Real Sex if things go well in the room. I am looking for an upfront agreement for it before I pay a barfine, before the girl says "see you soon" online or before we take one step toward my apartment.
So I believe that is different from most punters.
And I will say I do not target the best looker in the bar or vicinity for this question. That would be a waste of Ladydrink money. But 2nd tier girls in the bars are worth my asking.
