Dubai Reports

[QUOTE=Joey Coxx]Let me give you my calcs for my GF while she was here[/QUOTE]
These figures are either very historical or the reason why she isn't here any longer.
[QUOTE=Joey Coxx]Reoccuring/Month
700 AED - Allowance for her own perusal, clothes, cigarettes,etc.[/QUOTE]
Less than 200 bucks doesn't go very far in Dubai, especially for clothes, shoes etc.
[QUOTE=Joey Coxx](700 AED - Rent, if staying in shared accomodation, [/QUOTE]
This might cover the 16 to a room places, but rent might easily be up to AED2,000 for better places.
[QUOTE=Joey Coxx](1400 AED - Kish visa run trip, every three months), [/QUOTE]
Cost of Kish trip has been rising due to problems a few months ago. 1 month visa AED1,000 and up. 3 months anywhere between AED3,500 and as much as AED7,000.
[QUOTE=Joey Coxx]some WGs already have a paid 10year VISA which is about 10-15000AED[/QUOTE]
What's a 10 year visa - mine is only three. Standard residency visa is 3 years and if you can get one for a g/f it will cost up from AED18,000
[QUOTE=Joey Coxx]1300 AED - Money for family back home[/QUOTE]
Yes, that would keep a family in China, but don't forget that girls are here for a limited time trying to build up a fund to change their life. They are not going to make much headway with AED1,300 per month.
[QUOTE=Joey Coxx]realize that she would probably make more money doing her business, but, meeting a nice guy like you, she'd trade some of that money just for being with a nice guy like yourself.[/QUOTE]
She might be giving up an income of AED5,000 to AED20,000 per month. It's worth thinking about your intentions. Are you into changing when she goes home on holiday? What happens when you leave? - We all do eventually.
[QUOTE=Joey Coxx]Don't forget that occasional unconditional gift like perfumes, etc. to show how much you like her. All girls need to hear and see proof that we care for them and especially WGs who seem to be extra prone to low selfasteem (duh!)[/QUOTE]
I'm not surprised that working girls have a problem with low self-esteem but pleased to hear that it can be solved with a bottle of perfume.


I would be interested to hear anyone else's view on these figures YMMV after all.

My view is that you either have a business arrangement which should reflect but not equal the girl's market rate, but you might offset by her continuing to work. This can work well for both parties with her keeping her earnings up, but also having plenty of opportunity for a more normal lifestyle. Alternatively, you both have a view to a permanent relationship, in which case you need to work out something you can both live with.

[QUOTE=Luper Calia]These figures are either very historical or the reason why she isn't here any longer..[/QUOTE]They are from Feb-Apr. In fact, you are partly right, 5-6k/month was a bit much, so I figured I'd send her home and let her be with her kids, while I figure out a more cost effective solution-

[QUOTE]She might be giving up an income of AED5,000 to AED20,000 per month. It's worth thinking about your intentions. Are you into changing when she goes
home on holiday? What happens when you leave? - We all do eventually.
[/QUOTE]The girls are grown up and have the power to decide for themselves. If they don't like the "deal" you're offering - they won't take it.

If I leave she would have to go back to her ways, and so would I... shocking ? It's quite funny when you bring up morals on a forum that is about paying women for SEX, caring and treating a girls nicely doesn't mean I'm committed to her all my life, what if she wouldn't be a WG, same rules apply ?

[QUOTE]I'm not surprised that working girls have a problem with low self-esteem but pleased to hear that it can be solved with a bottle of perfume.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you managed to read that into my tip there, but I think the answer says more about you than about me.

[QUOTE]My view is that you either have a business arrangement which should reflect but not equal the girl's market rate, but you might offset by her continuing to work. This can work well for both parties with her keeping her earnings up, but also having plenty of opportunity for a more normal lifestyle. Alternatively, you both have a view to a permanent relationship, in which case you need to work out something you can both live with.[/QUOTE]What is a more normal lifestyle ? I think I got your message, but see again, It's up to the girls if she chooses lower income compared to putting herself to risk every night.

//JC

[QUOTE=Joey Coxx]Let me give you my calcs for my GF while she was here......[/QUOTE]

Sounds reasonable, but a bit off target at todays rates methinks.

It all depends on whether one has CIS, PRC or African as to the cost, basically the girls are here for business and family/money reasons will always prevail.

If a girl has paid off her debt and is freelancing then all she has to weigh up is the benefit of staying with you, trade the WG lifestyle for something better, but with a money making option too. providing you pay enough to cover her requirements back home then all will be well.

It is possible to strike lucky as I did with my two long term live-ins I had whilst in DXB 2006/7. Both PRC, 50:50's of course, I agreed to give them 3000 AED per month, plus a few benefits. These included all the nights out, parties with friends, mobile phone top-ups, and the odd shopping trip, often to Karama ;) I sometimes helped with the monthly visa money if she was short of cash, but not always.

I also allowed them to bring girlfriends to my place, use the pool, bathroom and kitchen. This always went down well as they were able to ''show off'' to the other girls how well they were living. The few stay-overs and resultant double-acts suited me too :)

There were also the excellent benefits of having all my laundry done, meals cooked and ready upon my return from work, and everything else that goes with a total GFE. It was great fun to go out with colleagues and to company parties and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the 40+ wives off as I paraded my 50:50 for all to see. I was outdone by one guy who at 51 yrs old went on a business trip to Phils and brought back an 18 yr old to live-in. He also got her a job and sent her out to work full time too - tight b*ast*rd :(

It is hard to put a figure on it, but if I do not count all the drinks and meals out, based upon the fact that I would have been treating any other girl instead - yes I did take all my WG's out and treat them ''normal'' on many occasions. Then I suppose I had a live in for around 3500 AED per month in 2006/7.

Thanks to my mate MK who left me his apartment to look after I was able to cover the live-in girls 'Red Flag' days by inventing a business trip and going to his place with another regular for a few days instead - cost around 1000 AED.

So a month of good living, shagging and being well fed cost around 4500 AED.

Cheers, FF

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Sounds reasonable, but a bit off target at todays rates methinks.


So a month of good living, shagging and being well fed cost around 4500 AED.

Cheers, FF[/QUOTE]
Reasonable to me, rememebr the girls are experts at living on a tight budget and spening on cheap things etc, using networks and bartering. So the figures JC quoted are very reasonable. Not sure what COP's position on this is with his PRC live in, same for Zing, but given that many Filipinas in jobs here in the UAE are on less than AED 3000 a month all up, the figure JC quotes would be manna from heaven for some

Rent - in AD shared rooms (max 4 per per room) is AED 500 or therabouts and in Dubai a Filipina who is known to me pays AED 800 for sahre (2 per room, but not that great).

YMMV as FF says

FF - I may have to match your tight friend soon.......will chat with you and make you smile.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger] but given that many Filipinas in jobs here in the UAE are on less than AED 3000 a month all up, the figure JC quotes would be manna from heaven for some.[/QUOTE]A lot of PRC’s with regular jobs are earning this or less. They know they could make much more money by giving up the job and hooking full time, some do, but for many that is an unacceptable option. Many however would welcome a long term BF to help support them and improve their lifestyle. The dilemma for these girls is where to meet guys.

A friend on mine has had quite a few dates with Filipinas, chatting up waitresses, receptionists, shop girls. They seldom put out on the first date and he say it usually ends up more expensive then P4P but is more fun. Many of these girls are looking for longer term support.

The danger - Many are also looking for western husbands.

I do know of some cases where PRC wg's are living in and receiving allowances of 7000 or 8000 AED a month, but don not really know what the contract entails.

My PRC girlfriend works at Hyatt Regency. She has complained lately that there is a lack of European customers there. No offense intended toward anyone, but she and a number of her friends have had problems with locals and also Indians ripping them off so she avoids.

I know it's a matter of a group getting painted with a broad brush but it is what it is. They never seem to have problems with Europeans or Amerians.

So her question is, she wants to relocate, and she wants to go to a club with a reasonable amount of Europeans/Americans. Obviously the "Snake" is out. Are there any other good spots with this type clientele?

Again sorry for the "racism" but it is based on some bad experiences and I've heard it from too many girls not to hold some truth.

[QUOTE=Krypto Knight]So her question is, she wants to relocate, and she wants to go to a club with a reasonable amount of Europeans/Americans. Obviously the "Snake" is out. Are there any other good spots with this type clientele?[/QUOTE]I hope you brought your flack jacket and tin helmet ;)

The Seaview is one place that springs to mind, mostly westerners with a few filipino and arab guys. But its a pretty small place that seems to have absorbed some Rattlesnake refugees (not the A list, I wonder where they have gone?). It was certainly a buyers market last night, as often stated many of the males are there for the band and beer. Also she will have the opertunity to see the ugly side of European/American men late on a Thursday night!

Friends: I am an expat & quite new to this country. Just arrived. Kindly confirm a few doubts, though these may appear silly:

1. Is it ok to give my mobile numbers to WGs I meet at clubs?

2. Do I need to carry my passport all the time I move around within the country?

3. There was a recent news that a massage parlour was raided in DBX & the workers were prosecuted. What about the customers like you & me getting caught (unfortunately of course) in the raid? Are they set free?

4. Which are the cheapest hotel in DBX for booking a room for short time & what they charge for a double room?

I think on thursday nights you will find a lot of locals, indian and Pakis in the clubs. On other days to my opinion it is less a problem.

On a thursday night I try to call a lady to meet me in the hotel. Sometimes she tells me that she only wants to do ST, as thursday is the main business day and they might be able to handle several customer in one night.

Now where to go:
Seaview is an option and Panorama is also an option. In Seaview there might be the problem that the manager is scanning the PRC´s and they only let in known faces. The prices in Seaview and Panorama are normally lower than Hyatt.

Hunter

[QUOTE=Krypto Knight]My PRC girlfriend works at Hyatt Regency. She has complained lately that there is a lack of European customers there. No offense intended toward anyone, but she and a number of her friends have had problems with locals and also Indians ripping them off so she avoids.

I know it's a matter of a group getting painted with a broad brush but it is what it is. They never seem to have problems with Europeans or Amerians.

So her question is, she wants to relocate, and she wants to go to a club with a reasonable amount of Europeans/Americans. Obviously the "Snake" is out. Are there any other good spots with this type clientele?

Again sorry for the "racism" but it is based on some bad experiences and I've heard it from too many girls not to hold some truth.[/QUOTE]

Try Kubu (Radisson Creek, ex Intercon), some PRC's there, however warn her to expect racism in reverse - they 'ration' the number of PRC's they allow in ! What comes around.......

If she's A Class and can dress as such, and is not too pushy, then she'll be able to hang around many 5* hotel bars - she has to be 'relatively' subtle however.

R P


[QUOTE=Krypto Knight]So her question is, she wants to relocate, and she wants to go to a club with a reasonable amount of Europeans/Americans. Obviously the "Snake" is out. Are there any other good spots with this type clientele?

[/QUOTE]

If anyone genuinely needs some inside info then PM me, not something I want to go public on though.

[QUOTE=Barcrawler]
I do know of some cases where PRC wg's are living in and receiving allowances of 7000 or 8000 AED a month, but don not really know what the contract entails.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Softspoken2202]Friends: I am an expat & quite new to this country. Just arrived. Kindly confirm a few doubts, though these may appear silly:

1. Is it ok to give my mobile numbers to WGs I meet at clubs?

2. Do I need to carry my passport all the time I move around within the country?

3. There was a recent news that a massage parlour was raided in DBX & the workers were prosecuted. What about the customers like you & me getting caught (unfortunately of course) in the raid? Are they set free?

4. Which are the cheapest hotel in DBX for booking a room for short time & what they charge for a double room?[/QUOTE]

1. Yes it is ok to give your number to WGs. They will call you if they thought you were a great fuck, great wallet or great friend the latter is rare....

2. No. But in any foreign country it is good to carry around at least a copy but I don't. Government ID on board.

3.Yes there is sort of a crackdown on prostitution. Just be careful. Read the forum. Stay with the freelancers. Check GF hotels. The locals really can't do much if you are caught in the act of buying pussy. For me could be a financial disaster because I work for the US government and we have been warned.

4. Research my friend orbitz, expedia etc....but if you go cheap in Dubai more then likely it will be a flea bag. Me I am kind of snobby when it comes to my lodging.

[QUOTE=D Etat]1. Yes it is ok to give your number to WGs. They will call you if you were a great fuck, great wallet or great friend the latter is rare....

2. No. But in any foreign country it is good to carry around at least a copy but I don't. Government ID on board.

3.Yes there is sort of a crackdown on prostitution. Just be careful. Read the forum. Stay with the freelancers. Check GF hotels. The locals really can't do much if you are caught in the act of buying pussy. For me could be a financial disaster because I work for the US government and we have been warned.

4. Research my friend orbitz, expedia etc....but if you go cheap in Dubai more then likely it will be a flea bag. Me I am kind of snobby when it comes to my lodging.[/QUOTE]

I would als add get a different SIM for mongering so to keep the playtime separate. I know a lot of guys do this.

ST hotel's in Dubi - perhaps Zing can help there (catch you soon Zing)

I don't know where you get yourfigures from but they are miles out or its the very low end of the market. The visa run works out at 900AED per month on average for PRC anyway and there is no such thing as a 10 year visa

Keep it Cocked,
Zing

[QUOTE=Joey Coxx]Let me give you my calcs for my GF while she was here, I let her work off her credit to Mamma San herself in the beginning before we got too involved, so that could add up if you want to buy her out.

Reoccuring/Month
700 AED - Allowance for her own perusal, clothes, cigarettes,etc.

(700 AED - Rent, if staying in shared accomodation, if she lives with you then you obviously don't need to support rents, you may need to pay this for a gracetime if you take her out of a shared accomodation. The other girls need a new tenant and it's not fair on the other WGs as my GF put it that rent would be higher now that she was gone)

(1400 AED - Kish visa run trip, every three months), depending on VISA status, some WGs already have a paid 10year VISA which is about 10-15000AED

1300 AED - Money for family back home

Good month: min. 2-3000AED also depending on weekend activities, etc.
Expensive month: 4-5000AED, including unforeseen expenses

Now allowance may also vary, I guess depending on how she feels for you, realize that she would probably make more money doing her business, but, meeting a nice guy like you, she'd trade some of that money just for being with a nice guy like yourself.

Everything like food, wine and dine, cinemas etc. would also go on your credit. Don't forget that occasional unconditional gift like perfumes, etc. to show how much you like her. All girls need to hear and see proof that we care for them and especially WGs who seem to be extra prone to low selfasteem (duh!)

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[QUOTE=Luper Calia]These figures are either very historical or the reason why she isn't here any longer.

Less than 200 bucks doesn't go very far in Dubai, especially for clothes, shoes etc.
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Oops, just working through the thread in reverse order so saw your reply after my posting. Yes, your figures are much more correct.

Zing