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[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1150037]I have heard that the Viking Group of bars has increased the barfine to 1800P, which IMHO is still the lowest all-in price for some of the best looking girls on Mango but pre-payment turns alot of the girls into runners.

The old Silver Dollar always had a barfine of 750P and up to you to work out a deal with the girl on price ST or LT and most of the girls were happy with 1500P +tip LT not sure if the new Silver Dollar has adopted the more expensive Lone Star all-in barfine of 2800P LT.

Anyone know if the new Silver Dollar adds 10p "Mayors Tax" onto the bill for every drink order like Lone Star? Which is the most in-your-face way of saying that Graham refuses to pay the kickbacks directly, and that we, the mongering public shall do our share and contribute for him. Now if only I can figure out a way to get a "Major Major contributor to the Mayor's re-election campaign" card out of the deal to keep CITOM from giving me 50P jaywalking tickets I will be all set. [/QUOTE]Ye it does, had a drink in there yesterday and was asked for the extra 10pso

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1149936]When I first arrived on the scene in phils some years ago, I quickly hit on a few FL in manila and was happily forking over $50 for a ST. I met up with a board member at LA Cafe one evening, and he said,"Whata 'ya nuts? The girls will ST for 1/4 that price!" At that time he was right. I had no idea. In my young mind, $50 was great. In my young mind. If everyone starts paying $50, then the average price rises quickly, forcing others to do it. . . . . . . . . . . . .

Also I'm noticing something else. I just didn't catch it before if it was discussed. While I view a girl as a girl, some of the gents see a need to pay different girls a different amount. A SW deserves less than a college girl? How is a cebuana college girl worth 1500/2000 for ST, while the AC bargirl will get p750 for LT? I'm paying for her to bring the fun, then leave. I don't care about her personal life (usually). Thoughts? [/QUOTE]This is a great, civilized discussion. I think all of us are deferring to another guy's judgement and accepting it for what it is, and that's great.

WC. I truly can see where you are coming from and your analysis and justification for how much you pay etc is very well set-out and I understand your rationale.

Maybe 1500php is on the high side? But I must add that I am VERY choosy about who I spend time with and at the end of the day it makes me feel that I have not just taken advantage of the girl. More importantly, I pay 1500 php because I can. I can also stress that I virtually never go over 1500php.

Recently in Cafe Havana in Manila a girl joined me at my table and told me she wanted 3000 php ST. I just shrugged and said that 1500 is my limit so maybe she should just go back to her girlfriends because I will not pay that much. After maybe 5 minutes of sitting there silently she said "OK. 1500 is fine".

I guess this story supports your rationale WC.

I also think that at the end of the day, we can all pay whatever we want without the market being too disturbed. But I also think that an ESSENTIAL factor is that you must discuss a "price" before you head off to Stage 2.

[QUOTE=Robbaf; 1149797]I agree with your statement that it is up to the individual, but you are way off the mark on local pay. We employee over 450 locals and maybe you are correct in some and that is very few make 500P a week.

So you think that a honest day's work is equal to giving up your pussy to a foreigner because he has money?

Robb[/QUOTE]I may not know what the current income levels are for filipinos, that is true. But what an individual does to earn a living is up to them. If a girl chooses to earn "easy money" by spreading her legs rather than working a normal job, that is her choice. Why should she be paid more to give up her pussy to foreigners than another gets paid to provide any other kind of service?

Let's face it, a big reason many guys monger in the Philippines is because it is cheaper than doing so in other countries. As the price demanded by the girls keeps going up, mongers will begin looking in other places for the cheap pussy. 25 years ago in Korea, a ST was $10 US and LT was $20 US or less. But bar fines are generally $200 to $300 US now. Because of this, many guys pass on the Korean pussy, save their money, and go to the Philippines or Thailand for much more pussy in a week at the same amount they would spend for one night in Korea.

On the discussion of why the girl needs the money, I don't care! Any of them can tell you that they need to pay their school fees. But are you certain, without a doubt, that they are telling you the truth. We all know that many of these girls are experts at pulling scams on guys to get more money.

Again I say pay what you feel is right for you to pay. If anybody else feels that it is low or high, who cares?

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1149936]The angry cebuana getting 2000 is clearly spoiled.

Also I'm noticing something else. I just didn't catch it before if it was discussed. While I view a girl as a girl, some of the gents see a need to pay different girls a different amount. A SW deserves less than a college girl? How is a cebuana college girl worth 1500/2000 for ST, while the AC bargirl will get p750 for LT? I'm paying for her to bring the fun, then leave. I don't care about her personal life (usually). Thoughts? [/QUOTE]First off you keep comparing Cebuanas to their counterparts in Manila or AC. They have a different mindset and language among other things. You don't give enough credit to your coed who merely sized you up and charged accordingly. You were probably staying at the Parklane or similar. It is a fact that the going rate for foreigners is somewhere between 1000 and 2000. If you don't believe me, try going to one of the pick up discos and see how far you get.

Another point not touched on is beauty, real or perceived. Sure you can get away with offering average looking Cebuanas a nominal fee but more attractive ones will command a premium.

[QUOTE=Wectcoast1]Unfortunately, the dating site girls don't advertise on the street.[/QUOTE]Yes just as the real beauties don't mess with the internet!

Westcoast1 has a point. Pussy isn't intellectual. He's paying the market rate for a pussy to poke. From his point of view he could care less if the pussy can write a doctoral dissertation on quantum physics. The mechanics are the same. The end result is the same. Why pay more than the going rate? Employers don't pay employees according to their individual financial obligations. The really is no justification for paying a college girl more for doing the same job that a girl fresh off a provincial pig farm can do just as well. There is no guarantee that a college girl services less clients than her less educated counterpart. In fact, college girls usually see a lot more cock because of their greater appetite for consumer goods and high end electronics. If Westcoast1 gets pussy for 500 pesos and the girls happily repeat and give referrals does that make him a bad guy? At the end of the day all mongers are enticing these girls to sell pussy instead of finding some other less sordid means of earning a living. Paying inflated prices to soothe one's conscience hardly makes one more moral than the monger paying the market rate even though it might give a false sense of righteousness.

If one truly feels rooting the girls for a bargain is wrong then he should establish a trust along the lines of The Virgin Filipina College Fund. This would eliminate the need for the girls spreading their legs for foreign lechers altogether giving donors a stalwart moral soap box from which to crow at flesh mongers. Otherwise it's downright hypocrisy to chastise your fellow swine while swilling from the same trough.

In regards to how much to leave them with, it's always going to be a debate. To say that all the women are the same wherever you meet them to me is a crock. Also, you probably should consider the situation. Some women are definitely looking for some support and some women are looking for fun. You have to know who you are dealing with, and that usually goes with common sense.

I see danger for the people who offer very little support for said services, but that is up to them. I can't see myself offering up 500 pesos for 3 hours of whatever, but that's me. At the minimum for me would probably be 800 pesos but more likely 1000 pesos. You have to live with yourself after wards. You are in another country and don't have the same protections and are somewhat easy to pick out. Sure you can probably get away with it and feel like you know what's up. I can't possibly do that. I don't want to be looking behind me constantly worrying about some type of retaliation.

Gents, thanks for the discussion.

[QUOTE=Barba; 1149971]Not all hammers look alike.

Some hammers are very stylish and used to laying in the hands of Korean four-four-fours. Others considers themselves the hammers of hammers, needing a lot of motivation to work. [/QUOTE]The girl to stay away from?

[QUOTE=Barba;1149971]And some do not know their true value at all and will work those nails almost for free.[/QUOTE]The girl to run to.

[QUOTE=Barba;1149971]This debate have influenced me. I will try to pay less in the future. My heart is to soft and I like to be liked. In addition I am always strapped for time and I handle rejection bad. I just HAVE to have whatever girl I want, in my bedroom within 1 hour.[/QUOTE]Yes. Your unique situational needs may require a higher price. Its not fair to compare Barba's need with mine. I have plenty of time to look for playmates. I'm not as choosy. The '9'-stunner will not get more from me than the '7'-so-so girl because of her looks (although, one of them might get more later if her service is above-par).

[QUOTE=Barba; 1149971]But maybe I can have this in 90% of the cases, even if I do not pay 1500 or 2000. Maybe it is not necessary to overpay to get that responsiveness from girls. The future will tell if a modified pricing strategy will leave me with last years leftovers.

So I will do as the gentleman that stated that 1000 PHP is a benchmark to start from. [/QUOTE]The debate has influenced me also. Maybe I'm paying too little. Maybe inflation of foods and fuel drive up the ladies overhead. Maybe 1000 is a good starting point.

[QUOTE=Robbaf; 1149980]I understand what you are saying about a girl is a girl, but IMO if you pick up a SW that is on drugs and fucking 10 guys a day, to me that is different then a college that may only fuck you.

Robb[/QUOTE]Apology for mentioning SW before. I only mentioned them to compare with bargirls and college girls and hammers to make the point that they are similar in product nature.

I've never taken any of the girls from the Junquera streets (although I got from outside Robinsons). Several of you have referred to these girls that are being rented and banging a lot of guys. While this is not my cup of tea usually, I think there might be a perception that those are the ones willing to take the 500. Let me dispel that. My girls are DIA contacts, mall rats, barfines from Vikings area, or Sunflower pickups. Vikings-area girls are getting 1000 from the bar for LT. Thats roughly the same as 500 for ST. Aside from barfines, all the rest are happy (except the previously mentioned angry college kid) with 500 ST / 1000 LT. Many are DIA college girls. 1000+100jeep in the morning gets a txt later in the day asking for a repeat, or offering a friends. Nobody rolls their eyes or asks more.

Robb, you mentioned about the SW / college kid thing. We just disagree. Your assumption is that the college girl isn't getting banged a lot like the SW. Maybe very rarely even. Its possible. I have an insight about this, and I will try to PM several of you about this. More likely, she has a real local bf that she is into (she won't mention it to you, even though you are honest and she knows you take other girls for similar) and she is banging him most days (and, true to form, the bf is humping other girls behind her back). She may also have several sugardaddies such as yourself who she will bang in the week prior to her 'exam fee'. By golly, if all 4-5 of you sugardaddies give her the 2500 or 3000 she's asking for, she's made 10-15, 000. She will pay the 3000 exam fee, and her months rent + expenses, take her bf out for drinks, and hand him 2000 because she's "in lab to him". To all of her sugardaddies she will appear to be the sweet co-ed who "don't do this much". Is she that shy college kid who don't do this much? Or does she have multiple sugardaddies-and-bf, where she's getting jiz 20 times a month? Unless you have her followed, you and I have no clue. She is little different than the SW, except she is displaying mental acuity in class.

[QUOTE=Mattrick;1150083]First off you keep comparing Cebuanas to their counterparts in Manila or AC. They have a different mindset and language among other things.[/QUOTE]And different overhead. Its more expensive to live in Manila than AC or Cebu. Say 800 to a mallgirl in Manila and get laughed at. Say 1000 and she's your new gf. Subtract 500 from that in Cebu. The comparison is legit.

[QUOTE=Mattrick;1150083]You don't give enough credit to your coed, You were probably staying at the Parklane or similar.[/QUOTE]Diplomat Hotel in Fuente, which she knew.

[QUOTE=Mattrick;1150083]It is a fact that the going rate for foreigners is somewhere between 1000 and 2000. If you don't believe me, try going to one of the pick up discos and see how far you get.[/QUOTE]Julianas and Mango bars? Probably you are right. 1500-2000 is going to be asked or expected. All the more reason not to take from there. A board member PM'd recently that he'd taken from Sunflower an overnighter, gave her p1500 and she was fine.

[QUOTE=Mattrick; 1150083]Another point not touched on is beauty, real or perceived. Sure you can get away with offering average looking Cebuanas a nominal fee but more attractive ones will command a premium.

Yes just as the real beauties don't mess with the internet! [/QUOTE]Usually. In a recent post I mentioned a DIA student who was glad to have 1000 for an overnighter."Salamat po," and a request for a repeat. A looker. That may be luck, or desperation.

[QUOTE=Destinla;1150001]Come on guys. What is it to you to spend an extra 20 USD. Treat them right.[/QUOTE]Doing that a lot, creates spoilage. The girls will raise their prices. Treat her right, pay her taxi, or buy her a meal.

[QUOTE=Destinla;1150001]You will get so much in return. Meet the family. Fuck the cousins. Buy a washing machine. A water heater. The whole province will talk about you.[/QUOTE]That's fine for gents living in town. The board is for visitors, to. Especially regular contributors. Post a pic for us, my lurking friend. A field report, too, will make you believable.

[QUOTE=Destinla;1150001]Jackson I love you man, just weed out the cheap charlies.[/QUOTE]Hey Cheapy, he wants to silence you. I think the term is authoritarian.

[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1150079]I may not know what the current income levels are for filipinos, that is true. But what an individual does to earn a living is up to them. If a girl chooses to earn "easy money" by spreading her legs rather than working a normal job, that is her choice. Why should she be paid more to give up her pussy to foreigners than another gets paid to provide any other kind of service?

Let's face it, a big reason many guys monger in the Philippines is because it is cheaper than doing so in other countries. As the price demanded by the girls keeps going up, mongers will begin looking in other places for the cheap pussy. 25 years ago in Korea, a ST was $10 US and LT was $20 US or less. But bar fines are generally $200 to $300 US now. Because of this, many guys pass on the Korean pussy, save their money, and go to the Philippines or Thailand for much more pussy in a week at the same amount they would spend for one night in Korea.

On the discussion of why the girl needs the money, I don't care! Any of them can tell you that they need to pay their school fees. But are you certain, without a doubt, that they are telling you the truth. We all know that many of these girls are experts at pulling scams on guys to get more money.

Again I say pay what you feel is right for you to pay. If anybody else feels that it is low or high, who cares? [/QUOTE]Sorry I don't agree with you on the "choice". Thanks to over population most Filipinos who were born into a poor family have very little chance in life. Three years ago I hired 12 Filipinos and in the 100 who applied I choose a 57 year old man and he is one of my top workers and he when talks about being given a chance he cries because he is so happy.

But then again, thanks to over population there is an endless line of girls turning 18 everyday and they do not know that when they post on DIA (example) that the guy will be a one meeting visit with a thanks for the pussy and here is 200P for a taxi, only to find out the next day he was a "hit and run" and not looking for a girlfriend.

I bet if guys posted their true stories of internet hook ups we would be reading very different stories.

I have a friend who lives in AC and scores tons of free (?) pussy and he told me that he goes crazy with the drama. He get up to 100 text a day (from different girls) and I have been with him when we had to take a side street due to a girl is approaching us and he does not want the drama. I would hate to live like that.

Robb

[QUOTE=Robbaf; 1150340]I have a friend who lives in AC and scores tons of free (?) pussy and he told me that he goes crazy with the drama. He get up to 100 text a day (from different girls) and I have been with him when we had to take a side street due to a girl is approaching us and he does not want the drama. I would hate to live like that.

Robb[/QUOTE]So you are saying that you never run into any of the girls that you have banged and sent out the door? How do you handle it if the same situation occurs? If you frequent the same areas over and over, you are bound to run into the girls that have gone to your hotel with you. Hell, I ran into girls that I had nothing to do with before, but they knew me because I had bar fined their friend. It was nothing to them to call out to me while I was walking down the market street with my kids. And they had their bf for the day on their arm also. I don't believe this kind of situation is unique to freebies.

I'm not trying to argue that anyone is wrong for what they pay, or if they get freebies. I just feel it is up to the individual to give the girl what he feels is fair. If the girls doesn't like it, she won't go with him again. She might even convince all of her friends to avoid the guys she feels are "cheap Charlies." On the other hand, a guy that pays a high price to a girl is seen as spoiling the market, because everyone fears he will drive up prices.

I guess the bottom line is that it is always best to discuss the expected price with the girl before taking her to the room. If she quotes an amount that you feel is too high, either offer a lower amount or go find a different girl that is willing to accept what you are willing to pay.

Prices will go up as the girls' expenses go up. I'm sure that mongers that have been having fun in paradise since the 70's would tell us how cheap things were back then. I can tell you that prices in Korea changed drastically since my first time in country in the late 80's. The ST rate was $10 and LT was $20 back then. These days foreigners have a hard time getting anything from the Korean girls, but it is available in some areas. Just not as easy to find as it used to be. Some get lucky and find ST for $60, while others pay $300. Before moving to sex prison (USA) I basically gave up on mongering in Korea because of the expense. But some guys will still pay those prices for it. And because of that, the girls will continue to charge those rates. Hopefully this won't happen in the Philippines. Based on the rates in Korea (or here in sex prison) I don't feel that P1000 (roughly $25) is too much to pay for a short time. But I won't try to force someone else to pay the same as I'm willing to pay either.

HW

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1150107]Westcoast1 has a point. Pussy isn't intellectual. He's paying the market rate for a pussy to poke. From his point of view he could care less if the pussy can write a doctoral dissertation on quantum physics. The mechanics are the same. The end result is the same. Why pay more than the going rate? Employers don't pay employees according to their individual financial obligations. The really is no justification for .[/QUOTE]I also happen to agree with this point as I always try to get the market rate (or even the local rate) if possible. Why pay more than I should when I could use the extra cash for other things.

BTW: if you do manage to find one who could understand quantum physics, let alone write about it, please introduce me as I always wanted to ask if I'm getting the BJ of my life, is that the meaning of being swallowed by a black hole.

Shark

Does any one have problems ever accessing this site from Cebu a friend, could not access it even when I copied and pasted? The address?

[QUOTE=Col Law;1150380]Does any one have problems ever accessing this site from Cebu a friend, could not access it even when I copied and pasted? The address?[/QUOTE]Certain hotels and wifi hotspots around the Philippines block adult content from being accessed. If your friend can surf the internet but is unable to open ISG or other adult websites most likely the location is blocking the website from being viewed and your friend should be able to log on by changing locations.