Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]I think I found a winner here. She kept looking at me googly eyed all morning and parting really was "sweet sorrow", as they say. After we finished making love this morning she even told me that she had given in to me too easy. I may have even gotten away without giving her money. But I do want to do right by her and to still keep this on a professional level, though in a discrete way.[/QUOTE]
Uncle V, congratulations on hitting the jackpot. Now, far be it for [b]ME[/b] to lecture you about the dangers of connecting with a girl in this way (that would be laughable, if it weren't so sad), but my friend, I urge you to play the field some more before you settle for this girl. I am sure this is what you have planned (given your history), so I am not worried, but I know from personal experience that when you get into this 'Struck Gold' mode, it is easy to fall off the edge.

Here's another point. It is easy for girls to impress you on the first date. They put all their energy in putting up that perfect illusion, and we, gullible idiots that we are, fall for it every time (well, maybe not all of us, and maybe not every time, but you get my point). But it is only on later encounters that her true colors will be revealed.

Case in point. A year ago, I met a FL in Insomnia. She was...da...bomb. I mean, she was as hot as they get, and we did it all night. I came back the next weekend and spent two full days and nights with her in bed...it was awesome. Then on the third weekend, she decided it was time for us to make the rounds of all the gogo bars so she could show them my face, hence black ball me from all future sex in Pattaya. She did this is such a sly way: "Tilak, I never go agogo bar, you want to take me?" Stupid me, never having been in this position before, and not consulting with the smart people on the ISG, was thinking this meant something kinky. Far from it.

Furthermore, if I so much as looked at her best friend, my girl would go totally bonkers. She was convinced that I wanted to fuck the best friend (who was physically hideous, actually), but my girl would throw long, angry fits over this. After two days of this, I bailed.

My point: things look great now while she thinks that you are not in her clutches yet. Don't let her go by any means - keep her and enjoy the warmth and googly eyes for all they are worth, but just see if you can keep yourself in that little niche where she is still trying to make you hers. If you can put yourself into that niche, I think you will see great pleasures emerge.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]People love to compare thailand and philippines, but they are really two totally different animals.[/QUOTE]
How so? Could you elaborate?

[QUOTE=Kumbu]How so? Could you elaborate?[/QUOTE]
For starters the girls are different.

Have a look at some thai and filipina porn on the net (video and pics).

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]... Before she leaves I give her 1000 BHT "for the taxi". She takes it a little reluctantly. I get her number and promise to call her...[/QUOTE]

So far, you've managed the situation quite well IMHO, but it's almost 100% certain that this girl is looking for a Farang husband / regular boyfriend / sponsor. I guess that it was her former Farang boyfriend(s) who paid for her condo and boob job. She's not a mercenary, but a very clever girl, methinks...

[QUOTE=Striderani]... However, I am not up for such heavy emotional constraints and commitments, and would rather enjoy myself now, when I'm in my prime...[/QUOTE]

Even if you are young and probably not engaged yet in your own country, just pretend to be engaged or married at home when speaking with P4P girls in Thailand: it should be enough for you to avoid most of the emotional involvement with them and they should not "fall in love" as easily with you than if you were "officially" single. You will then have the same fun (maybe even more), but without the (real or fake) love stories, and a lot less jealousy from the girls if you want to be a "butterfly" during your stay.

heh, you guys have given me a lot to think about. sorta making this harder then i thought it would be, but i'm glad i got to explore myself in this way to find out exactly what i'm after. good thing i decided to post now, and not 2 days before my flight.

[quote=goodenough]strider, as one who lives in the philippines and who used to work in thailand, i suggest you select thailand for your initial trip. women aside, it's just a more interesting, culturally enriching place and, in my opinion, thai cuisine is among the finest in the world, while that of the philippines is, sadly, among the worst. you can always experience to total gfe so characteristic of the pi during a subsequent trip.

i'm not sure i understand the debate about the establishment of rapport, if not relationships, between older and younger guys. what's the problem here? surely intellectual rapprochement is more important than age differences. i'm in my mid-sixties and have friends here ranging from their early 20's to deep in their 70's and it's never been an issue.

ge[/quote]

thanks ge, i think i will be going to thailand first. i did a bit more reading before posting, mainly comparisons between los and pi and i discovered that this i actually quite an old topic. for this reason i think we would all appreciate it if we did not dwell on this topic for to long. i think the only way anyone would be able to say for sure which one is better would be to go to both places. it depends so much on your personality and views as well as your experience there. i think i will add another trip to pi when i finish my uni degree. best. graduation. ever.


[quote=greglondon]i agree with the points ge makes but with the following addendum.

1 personally i would say that the ideal holiday for a thinking young horny guy is a gfe type trip around thailand with a young girl in tow. ge is right about the food and culture comparison between thai and pi (though there are parts of pi of exceptional beauty). pattaya is in my view a place for the jaded and cynical re male-female relations and i think if you are 19 there is plenty of time to get jaded later on. the difficulty is that a nice gfe is rather more difficult to find in thailand than in phils.

2 i would agree with ge that intellectual rapprochement does trump age differences. however both pattaya and pi are very unusual places in that for westerners with an atm card, there is a superabundance of nubile and willing young girls. back in the real world there is always an excess of demand over supply for such girls (from a narrow age band) because they are attractive to men of all ages. this sets up a fundamental conflict between older guys with (as a generalisation) money and status and younger guys with (as a generalisation), looks, fitness and a rapport with girls a few years younger than themselves.

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my view is that this conflict between younger and older guys competing for the attention of a relatively small number of nubile young girls is a much overlooked but critical aspect of social structures. as a generalisation the greater the degree of egalitarianism in a society the stronger the hand of younger guys. specifically if young guys are able to earn enough income to maintain and support a family, then women will tend to prefer dating and marrying guys a few years their senior. this was probably the case in our evolutionary past where many of our psychological dispositions would have been shaped. if one looks at hunter gatherer tribes, one typically finds median age gaps between partners or around 7 years and monogamy predominates. in these societies there is little possibility to store and accumulate wealth and fit young bucks maybe just as proficient hunters as more wiley old timers. it was the agricultural revolution of around 11000 years ago (unless you are one of those guys from the bible belt who believes that ussher correctly pinned down the creation of the earth to 23 oct 4004bc lol) that changed this as well as so many other things. if one looks at primitive agricultural societies (and i don't mean kansas), the median age gap between partners expands to around 15 years. in such societies young guys (under 30) are more or less excluded from officially taking wives (though they can often get away with illicit sex) as you need time to accumulate wealth in the form of cows and cultivated land to hand over to her parents and support your often multiple wives. industrialisation and democratisation have reversed this trend. in western countries, most young guys are able to find a job (or have benefits entitlements) that pays sufficiently well to bring up a family. in the west therefore the average age gap between first time marriage partners is just 2-3 years. the inevitable result of this is that unless you are seriously wealthy, famous or otherwise exceptional, if you are 40+ you are de facto excluded from the 18-25 sexy young girls market. this of course is the attraction for so many more mature western guys to vacation or retire in countries such as thailand or philippines where they can arbitrage international differences in economic performance and thus attract much younger and prettier women than they can do back home. thailand is getting richer and its now much harder to find high quality girls willing to accept huge age gaps than it was 20 years ago. the phils for various reasons has been stagnating economically for 30 years so there is a far greater tolerance of huge age gaps there.[/quote]

hmm, haven't really thought of it that way. i didn't mean to make an argument, just establish my views over the subject. i fully agree with your points and i can sorta see where you're coming from. all i can say is that i hope to meet some of you guys one day and make some friends in the isg community. hopefully we'll all get along and not fight over a girl, god knows how many there are in los i'm not sure it would be worth it.

[quote=amjeck]if the main reason for traveling is for pussy then its best to understand/decide which type of girl you want to fuck? thai or filipina? they are very different. apples and oranges. the rest of the stuff to worry about is not important until you decide which pussy you want first.

people love to compare thailand and philippines, but they are really two totally different animals.[/quote]

haha! i had a look at some thai and fili porn to see if i could make out some differences. couldn't really notice any serious differences, i think i would need to see them face to face to make firm impressions. however i did notice that phili's had more variety and while there were many i would not fuck; when there was one that i would, she was gorgeous. on the thailand side i noticed that there were many i would fuck but still consider average/slightly above average, apart from the gorgeous ones/ugly ones. note that this was my impressions from about 2 hours of porn so it's probably not accurate or conclusive in any way, at all.

[quote=goyave]even if you are young and probably not engaged yet in your own country, just pretend to be engaged or married at home when speaking with p4p girls in thailand: it should be enough for you to avoid most of the emotional involvement with them and they should not "fall in love" as easily with you than if you were "officially" single. you will then have the same fun (maybe even more), but without the (real or fake) love stories, and a lot less jealousy from the girls if you want to be a "butterfly" during your stay.[/quote]

perfect! a beautiful pearl of wisdom goyave. i will be sure to use it. didn't think of doing this at all.

i think my plan so far is to go to bkk for a few nights, try to pick up a gf and see some sights with her (i hope not planning anything won't be too much of a problem), and if that fails, i always have pattaya to fall back on.

cheers, strider.

[QUOTE=Striderani]

Haha! I had a look at some Thai and Fili porn to see if I could make out some differences. Couldn't really notice any serious differences, I think I would need to see them face to face to make firm impressions. However I did notice that Phili's had more variety and while there were many I would not fuck; when there was one that I would, she was gorgeous. On the Thailand side I noticed that there were many I would fuck but still consider average/slightly above average, apart from the gorgeous ones/ugly ones. Note that this was my impressions from about 2 hours of porn so it's probably not accurate or conclusive in any way, at all.

Cheers, Strider.[/QUOTE]

I'm surprised that someone thought the most significant difference between Thailand and Philippines was the girls looks. In my view the differences in appearance are relatively modest. For what its worth in my view the AVERAGE Thai girl is cuter than the AVERAGE Filipina and I could rank Cambodian girls ahead of Thais and Vietnamese ahead of any of the rest.

HOWEVER, the girls that I spend my time with in the Phils are FAR more sexy, attractive and fun to be with than in those other countries, because in the phils I am spending my time with Middle class students whereas in the other countries it is mostly poor girls that have gone into the sex trade.

[QUOTE=Striderani]Good thing I decided to post now, and not 2 days before my flight.[/QUOTE]With respect, why not just relax, come over to this part of the world, try both Thailand and the Philippines (and maybe a few more) and then make your own judgments? I understand the urge to know as much as possible before you get here, but frankly none of it counts for anything before you're on the ground and experiencing things for yourself.

Many thanks for the warnings my friends.

Yes I am playing this one carefully and trying not to get too attached emotionally. It helps that I have a great girl friend to go home to in the USA. Also that I am quite a cynical SOB. But not Jaded. I still find joy in life. In fact I am having quite a bit of fun matching wits with these cute little girls and their machinations. If you look at it form a little detached perspective it is quite amusing.

So I have had another lazy day. I called my little Gold (Digger) up and we had a nice romantic dinner in the beach here in Jomtien. Very nice with the sunset and great food delivered right to our beach chairs. Way too much food and drink to even finish. All for around 700 Baht. We went back to the very nice condo I am renting and had a passionate session, just as good as yesterday. She is fast asleep now as I write this. Damn I can't get enough of her tight little body!

Anyhow I am taking her and her daughter to that Monkey Island tomorrow. I thin it should be fun. I will have to be carefull to edit the pics so hta tI can present them to the GF back home. I plan to take break tomorrow night and venture out into the scene. A few chicks have already caugh tmy eye today as we lunged in the beach. Like I said I am a true SOB :)

Thanks to Kumbu for sharing his experience. I was thinking along the same lines. I won't make the mistake of doing a bar tour with her. If we do meet up again after it will be on my terms and in the comfort of my little oasis here in Jomtien.

Stay horny my friends!

Uncle V

[QUOTE=Betong]With respect, why not just relax, come over to this part of the world, try both Thailand and the Philippines (and maybe a few more) and then make your own judgments? I understand the urge to know as much as possible before you get here, but frankly none of it counts for anything before you're on the ground and experiencing things for yourself.[/QUOTE]

This is very good advice. So much of this is just so subjective. You have to live it yourself and to make your own judgments. Everyone is just too different when ti comes to love, sex, and the other intimate stuff.

The board is a great starter to get a sens of the good places to find willing ladies and the pitfalls to avoid. But everyone has their own expectations about what constitutes a stunner or what a GFE entails.

Personally, Thailand is just great for me. I was also thinking of Pi. But it just doesn't compare in terms of culture, food, nature. At least form what I have heard. I am more than happy with the girls I have hooked up with here.

But to each his own. Life is short and it is really all about experiences. You just gotta get out there and roll the dice, my friend. I am sure you will have a great time no matter what you choice.

Just make sure to have fun!

Uncle V

Nice! Didn't expect my post to go up as quick as it did. Looks like the mods are getting used to me. XD.

Wasn't expecting quick responses either.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I'm surprised that someone thought the most significant difference between Thailand and Philippines was the girls looks. In my view the differences in appearance are relatively modest. For what its worth in my view the AVERAGE Thai girl is cuter than the AVERAGE Filipina and I could rank Cambodian girls ahead of Thais and Vietnamese ahead of any of the rest.

HOWEVER, the girls that I spend my time with in the Phils are FAR more sexy, attractive and fun to be with than in those other countries, because in the phils I am spending my time with Middle class students whereas in the other countries it is mostly poor girls that have gone into the sex trade.[/QUOTE]Heh, the only reason I did so because it was suggested by Amjeck. I know they are completely different in terms of personality, but I could hardly get any ideas of their personality by watching porn. I would definitely like to try the philie's. I'm sure I will have a great time. TBH, I think I'm just a little scared. I've only been overseas once before, and that was when I was 5 with my parents to Sicily, Italy to meet the family, no sight seeing, though I hardly remember much. Being all alone in a harsh world is a bit daunting for someone that hasn't experienced it before. I will just have keep my wits about me as I travel off into the great unknown.

[QUOTE=Betong]With respect, why not just relax, come over to this part of the world, try both Thailand and the Philippines (and maybe a few more) and then make your own judgments? I understand the urge to know as much as possible before you get here, but frankly none of it counts for anything before you're on the ground and experiencing things for yourself.[/QUOTE]I agree. I'm greatly satisfied with the responses you guys have given me so far. I know now where to go If I have any questions, you guys seem like a reliable bunch. I guess it's just me being the young one I am, always asking questions. LOL. I can only assume it's because there aint nobody at home I can talk to about this stuff, I'm sure you all understand.

There was one question I had but I've seemed to forgotten it. I'll post it if I remember but I doubt it.

Good luck with your girl Uncle V. May you savor the moment as long as it lasts.

Cheers,

Strider

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I'm surprised that someone thought the most significant difference between Thailand and Philippines was the girls looks. In my view the differences in appearance are relatively modest. [/QUOTE]
For an asian girl connoisseur, there is a huge difference between Thais and Filipinas. There are big differences within Thailand as well ie. mixes like: thai/lao, thai/chinese, thai/cambodian, thai/burmese etc. When you've got yellow fever you tend to relish the different asian mixes.

But for me one of the biggest differences between Thais and Filipinas is that filipinas are fatter and they hold their weight in their bellies. Thais hold their weight throughout the body (better proportions).

Also (IMO):

Thais have long slimmer bodies with tight legs and butts. Filipinas are wider and rounder, and have bigger tits. The eye and face structure is different also. Thais have narrower eyes. Filipinas eyes are wider (spanish influence). Thai girls age better than Filipinas. Filipinas drop drastically at about 22. Thais can hold it to about 26.

When I'm in Thailand, I feel like I'm surrounded by Asians. When I'm in PI, I feel like I'm surrounded by Latins.

Best thing to do is just fuck both of them. They're both fun. IMO, as far as p4p goes, Thailand wins big time over PI. Philippines wins on the girlfriend thing. If you're looking for love, go to PI. To each his own

Hi everyone...can someone pls tell me what would be the right place to exchange some Euro's .

Arriving at BKK airport on the 17th and straight to pattaya from there...so its either at the aiport or somewhere in pattaya.

Would like to know the place to where i could get the best rates for Euro's.

[QUOTE=Travelforfun]Hi everyone...can someone pls tell me what would be the right place to exchange some Euro's .

Arriving at BKK airport on the 17th and straight to pattaya from there...so its either at the aiport or somewhere in pattaya.

Would like to know the place to where i could get the best rates for Euro's.[/QUOTE]


I have found that the airport offers just as good rates as Pattaya. So change some up at the airport and then just look around in Pattaya places can vary day to day

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I'm surprised that someone thought the most significant difference between Thailand and Philippines was the girls looks. In my view the differences in appearance are relatively modest. For what its worth in my view the AVERAGE Thai girl is cuter than the AVERAGE Filipina and I could rank Cambodian girls ahead of Thais and Vietnamese ahead of any of the rest.

HOWEVER, the girls that I spend my time with in the Phils are FAR more sexy, attractive and fun to be with than in those other countries, because in the phils I am spending my time with Middle class students whereas in the other countries it is mostly poor girls that have gone into the sex trade.[/QUOTE]Yes this sums it up IMO. in Phil the girls you see on the street/mall are the girls you get.