Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1871487]This is a question that raises its head every s often.

The answer to the question "Bangkok or Pattaya" is a resounding "YES".

I mean, just go to both places and see what suits you best. It is a few hours in a taxi or bus to get from one place to the other, so there is no reason you should limit yourself to only one place.

Bangkok is much more than a mongering place and is somewhat more sophisticated.

If you like a-gogo clubs, Bangkok is a better choice and is probably even cheaper than Pattaya. If you are into quick "no frills" sex, Soi 6 in Pattaya is without equal.

Beach Road in Pattaya is for the cheap free-lancers but with a little luck you will find a nice companion at bargain basement prices. Sukhumvit Road and Nana parking lot in Bangkok also have their free-lancer street walkers but the number and choice is far less.

The number of beer-bars in Pattaya is huge and there will be something for everyone. Bangkok will hold the edge in "soapies and oilies".

In the end however it is impossible to say which place is "best". I like to spend some time in both as the atmosphere is so different and I like the variation.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I think I get the idea. I'm sure I will visit both.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1871501]I second everything Wolvenvacht said. I would add that in terms of cost, I think Pattaya is cheaper than Bangkok.

Your question is about a trip where the primary purpose of the trip is mongering. If that's all you want to do, then Pattaya might edge it. The city is really set up for mongering, and it is an expected norm. The infrastructure is such that there are very well defined and manageable areas where you know what you will be getting: soi 6 = lines of brothel-type establishments, Walking Street = lines of gogobars and nightclubs, Beach Road = street walkers, soi Buakhao = bars and the like, etc. There are also other things to do if you like. Water sp0 rts* (though you would never catch me in the water in that bay), go-carting, golfing, etc.

But Bangkok has plenty (I mean plenty) of mongering options. I find it to be more vibrant of a scene, with the veneer of regular working life, but a really seedy under-belly (which I love). The girls that you find at Pattaya are 100% P4 P, and that is true for a good number of girls in Bangkok (gogo girls, soapy girls, massage girls, and many of the SWs and FLs in nightclubs). But there are a good number of semi-professionals: girls who hold down regular jobs, and supplement their incomes with P4 P with falang or asians. I kind of enjoy that side of things, which I have never had in Pattaya. You may find it at Pattaya, but statistically, I suspect it is rarer.

So in sum, you can't go wrong. If you are coming for just a few days, I'd pick one destination, study the hell out of it, and then make the most of it. You will enjoy it. If you are here for a week or more, I would do as Wolvenvacht recommends: split your time between the two locations.

And then, of course, post your experiences here.

*I had to type Water sp0 rts with a zero instead of an o because the system is set up to code that as a naughty word. But I mean it in the non-sexual sense.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will do both. I have almost a week.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1871514]You have gotten some good advice on the general difference between Bangkok and Pattaya and, assuming you are arriving in Bangkok first, why not spend the first couple of days in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya. That way you will know if you miss what you were seeing and experiencing in Bangkok (or not) you can adjust the length of your stay in Pattaya accordingly. You might like Pattaya so much more than the two days you already spent in Bangkok that you won't return to Bangkok until the day before you flight back home. Or you might spend two nights in Pattaya and want to get the hell back to Bangkok in the next available taxi.

But on your specific question above, I have to give Bangkok the high standard advantage in quality and, therefore, somewhat in price too. I mean, have you really scored a bargain in Pattaya if the cost is about 500 baht less per pop overall but the girls aren't anywhere near as good looking or skilled at what they do as they are in Bangkok? In my humble opinion, no. I would calculate the "cost" of pussy and BJs in Pattaya to be far more than in Bangkok on that basis. I have spent a few days at a time in Pattaya on 4 separate occasions over the past 2-3 years and I could not pack my bags and high tail it back to Bangkok fast enough because the beauty and professional skills "offered", if that is the right word for it, by the girls in Pattaya could not hold a candle to those within a 15 minute walk in any direction of, say, Soi 10 Sukhumvit Rd. in Bangkok, no easy and cheap blue baht bus ride necessary. But now we're getting into a very subjective area for which only time in each location will provide an answer for you.[/QUOTE]I think starting in Bangkok and testing Pattaya will be the way to go. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1871501]I second everything Wolvenvacht said. I would add that in terms of cost, I think Pattaya is cheaper than Bangkok.

[/QUOTE]Hard to judge, gogo prices for short term seem a bit lower in some bars in Bkk now vs Pattaya. But its easier to find LT in Pattaya for ST money in Bangkok. It is definitely more affordable to bar hop the gogo's in Pattaya with their drink specials.

If some of you have stayed in the Ambassador suite in the Davis corner wing or been there for a party with some friends you know what I am talking about, I have been staying here now for the past almost 8 years its time I want to change it but I am looking for a suite or room which is on a higher floor has a balcony as I have a thing to fuck females in the balcony with night lights around I used to do in Somerset sathorn but now I look for a pool or jacuzzi in the room also its such passion to calm down in a jacuzzi after you have fucked your female pure pleasure it is I should say or fuck your lady inside the jacuzzi voila.

Advice needed from long staying punters or friends or fellow ISG'ians guide which is a nice room where we can have all of the above. Will be in BKK again soon so need a crazy and classy place to stay.

Cheers,

Alex

P.S: pasted in the hotels forum since 10 days but no one replied so I thought why not post in BKK forum and lets see if anyone has a better idea.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1871514]You have gotten some good advice on the general difference between Bangkok and Pattaya and, assuming you are arriving in Bangkok first, why not spend the first couple of days in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya. That way you will know if you miss what you were seeing and experiencing in Bangkok (or not) you can adjust the length of your stay in Pattaya accordingly. You might like Pattaya so much more than the two days you already spent in Bangkok that you won't return to Bangkok until the day before you flight back home. Or you might spend two nights in Pattaya and want to get the hell back to Bangkok in the next available taxi.

But on your specific question above, I have to give Bangkok the high standard advantage in quality and, therefore, somewhat in price too. I mean, have you really scored a bargain in Pattaya if the cost is about 500 baht less per pop overall but the girls aren't anywhere near as good looking or skilled at what they do as they are in Bangkok? In my humble opinion, no. I would calculate the "cost" of pussy and BJs in Pattaya to be far more than in Bangkok on that basis. I have spent a few days at a time in Pattaya on 4 separate occasions over the past 2-3 years and I could not pack my bags and high tail it back to Bangkok fast enough because the beauty and professional skills "offered", if that is the right word for it, by the girls in Pattaya could not hold a candle to those within a 15 minute walk in any direction of, say, Soi 10 Sukhumvit Rd. in Bangkok, no easy and cheap blue baht bus ride necessary. But now we're getting into a very subjective area for which only time in each location will provide an answer for you.[/QUOTE]I too have questioned the difference between BKK and Pattaya. Having only been to Pattaya (five times) the debauchery factor seems to be higher. One thing that I had always thought and heard was the BKK was more expensive and spread out, as opposed to Pattaya. That said, I'm looking forward to my first visit to BKK next month. I'm still going to Pasttaya in September, because I like the beach atmosphere and love a hotel with a balcony, something that is tough to find in BKK. I'll post my report when I've completed my detox program when I return to the States.

I will arrive in Bangkok at 1 AM. So I figure 1 hour to clear customs and 45 minutes to get to my hotel and check in I would like to make the most of my first night. I have not booked a hotel yet but was wondering how do I get action at 3 AM? I would not want to go the Escort route and it seems like everything is closed at that time. Perhaps a night club that stays open till the early morning? I do not patronize street walkers. I will arrive on a Saturday.

Thanks fellas.

[QUOTE=BigTimeFun;1871848]I will arrive in Bangkok at 1 AM. So I figure 1 hour to clear customs and 45 minutes to get to my hotel and check in I would like to make the most of my first night. I have not booked a hotel yet but was wondering how do I get action at 3 AM? I would not want to go the Escort route and it seems like everything is closed at that time. Perhaps a night club that stays open till the early morning? I do not patronize street walkers. I will arrive on a Saturday.

Thanks fellas.[/QUOTE]Depends on what day you arrive. Climax and Spasso may be closed, unless you arrive on Friday or Saturday night. That is, unless there is a current crack down on late-night entertainment. Otherwise, you could try either Spicey or Boss. I have not been for about 3 years, but those are typically the after-hours hang outs. Maybe someone with more recent experience can chime in. I did a report quite a few years ago on this scene, and as of three years ago, it was mostly still relevant. Here is the link to that report:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1059200&postcount=11027[/URL]

Within that, you will find some vague directions to the clubs, though you just ask the taxi driver to take you there. The problem I imagine you will encounter is your luggage. If you don't have a hotel, I'm not sure what you will do with the luggage.

[QUOTE=BigTimeFun;1871848]I will arrive in Bangkok at 1 AM. So I figure 1 hour to clear customs and 45 minutes to get to my hotel and check in I would like to make the most of my first night. I have not booked a hotel yet but was wondering how do I get action at 3 AM? I would not want to go the Escort route and it seems like everything is closed at that time. Perhaps a night club that stays open till the early morning? I do not patronize street walkers. I will arrive on a Saturday.

Thanks fellas.[/QUOTE]Climax closes exactly at 5.30. Insanity between 5.00 to 5.30.

Rabit Dog, Spicey and Boss may open another hour or two longer, depends on the day. But picks are somewhat limited. Its not everybody liking to stay up all night until sun rises again.

If you can enter Climax at maybe 3:30, you will have plenty time and choices to make your pick.

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know a massage place with a bar, so that you can have a drink with the girls and chat and if you like here you can go for the massage? I like to speak with the girls first to find out their behavior and style. I think it's better then just walk in and choose. There was one place in Suk Soi 7/1 but it's closed. I saw one in Soi 23. They have a bar but no drinks to sell. Koh Samui has some places like that but don't see it now in Bangkok.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=BigTimeFun;1871848]I will arrive in Bangkok at 1 AM. So I figure 1 hour to clear customs and 45 minutes to get to my hotel and check in I would like to make the most of my first night. I have not booked a hotel yet but was wondering how do I get action at 3 AM? I would not want to go the Escort route and it seems like everything is closed at that time. Perhaps a night club that stays open till the early morning? I do not patronize street walkers. I will arrive on a Saturday.

Thanks fellas.[/QUOTE]No issues about arriving 1 am in BKK and be ready by 3 am as its a Saturday, you are in a for a rocking night. Depending on your choice and pocket I would suggest head straight to Mixx at the intercontinental hotel any taxi will take you there for free, its 350 bht entry on Saturday and the place will be buzzing at 3 am. There are two zones in the Mixx the hip-hop / disco zone or Thai lady zone or non-smoking zone and the second one smoking area or Russian and CIS ladies or house / techno area.

Easily you will find the desired lady here prices are for thai ladies all night 2000-4000 bht for CIS ladies 3000-8000 bht you can enjoy the music and then take your pick if you are lucky as it is a Saturday you can also have a free pick up provided you are handsome and rich.

If you think you don't want go to Mixx or even after 1 HR in Mixx and you don't find pussy head out just go near a taxi and he will say spicy just say yes and he will take you to spicy for free, there you can find all the Thai ladies you desire for easily 2000 bht max.

If you still can't pussy in spicy and the time is around 5 am then head opposite spice to Thai restaurant and on first floor to swing its a dark disco house techno, drunk men and some crazy ladies all Thai or some farang ladies for free and take your pick here but do check your girl outside near the pool table area before saying yes to her what you see inside and what you get outside is absolutely crazy.

Man if still you can't find pussy at 7-8 am then even I am helpless: I think BKK is not for you.

Cheers.

My Chinese wife and I will visit Thailand in late May / early June, with 2 nights in Bangkok, two nights in Pattaya, and five in Koh Lanta. My wife likes to play with other girls when we travel, to the point that we both arrived home from the Philippines sick with colds from staying up all night for a few nights playing with a newfound GF there. So she is excited, and that excites me.

While we certainly are prepared for P4P, we prefer to meet a 'girlfriend' type like we did in Manila, someone who might even like to travel with us down to Koh Lanta.

Is Bangkok or Pattaya better for this? Does anyone have any experience meeting girls to join you and your partner? If paying is the way to go, are there recommendations of people or places in either Bangkok or Pattaya?

Thank you very much for any information you can give.

Climax closes around 5:30 am.

Club Mixx at the hotel Intercontinental closes between 5 and 6 am?

Good luck, happy hunting.

Went out late at night, hit a few go-go bars and ended up at Climax as usual.

Grabbed a San Mig Light with my voucher and on my first walk around this girl kind of bumps into me. She's pretty, short, hair tied up, not fat, and clearly eager to do some business. Dirty dancing. Turns out later her name was Jae. She said: "Jae, as in DJ. ".

I was in the mood for a quick resolution, so didn't shop around so much, and figured I'd just take her out. She double-checked with her girlfriend and got the green light that I was not a creep, so off we went. Didn't even talk about money. She could tell I was not exactly a newbie. These girls have a sixth sense.

I suggested PB Hotel but she frowned and selected something else. We had to walk all the way back to Sukhumvit and then up to Soi 7 or something. It was 400 Baht. Not great, but decent. Thankfully I had brought my own condom, or it would have been more expensive.

Cut a long story short, she was OK in the sack. A bit mechanical. There wasn't chemistry. She just wanted to get the business done, but she was dedicated to it. Can't fault her for that. It's really my fault, if I had been willing to spend another hour or so interviewing freelancers, I'd have found one with better connection, but honestly I just wanted to wrap up the night.

I gave her 2000 Baht. She was happy with it. Afterwards she told me she had to take her daughter to the doctor the next day. So that's how those girls think: I have no health insurance, I have an unexpected cash outlay, no problem, I just hook. Her social security is her pussy. Great way to solve the problem! Sure beats Medicare.

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[QUOTE=IraJohnson;1872006]
Is Bangkok or Pattaya better for this? Does anyone have any experience meeting girls to join you and your partner?[/QUOTE]1. Go to oily, talk with mamasan and let her recommend someone. You could email ahead to those that have websites, eg Bamboo, Annies, Snow White, Cherry, etc. Etc.

2. Go go bars Nana or Soi Cowboy, let your wife roam and select but more time consuming.

In both cases, be explicit and tell them your exact expectations. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1871853]Depends on what day you arrive. Climax and Spasso may be closed, unless you arrive on Friday or Saturday night. That is, unless there is a current crack down on late-night entertainment. Otherwise, you could try either Spicey or Boss. I have not been for about 3 years, but those are typically the after-hours hang outs. Maybe someone with more recent experience can chime in. I did a report quite a few years ago on this scene, and as of three years ago, it was mostly still relevant. Here is the link to that report:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1059200&postcount=11027[/URL]

Within that, you will find some vague directions to the clubs, though you just ask the taxi driver to take you there. The problem I imagine you will encounter is your luggage. If you don't have a hotel, I'm not sure what you will do with the luggage.[/QUOTE]Arriving on a Sunday night. Will I have the same options?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1871853]Depends on what day you arrive. Climax and Spasso may be closed, unless you arrive on Friday or Saturday night. That is, unless there is a current crack down on late-night entertainment. Otherwise, you could try either Spicey or Boss. I have not been for about 3 years, but those are typically the after-hours hang outs. Maybe someone with more recent experience can chime in. I did a report quite a few years ago on this scene, and as of three years ago, it was mostly still relevant. Here is the link to that report:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1059200&postcount=11027[/URL]

Within that, you will find some vague directions to the clubs, though you just ask the taxi driver to take you there. The problem I imagine you will encounter is your luggage. If you don't have a hotel, I'm not sure what you will do with the luggage.[/QUOTE]I will check in at the hotel first.

[QUOTE=BigTimeFun;1871848]I will arrive in Bangkok at 1 AM. So I figure 1 hour to clear customs and 45 minutes to get to my hotel and check in I would like to make the most of my first night. I have not booked a hotel yet but was wondering how do I get action at 3 AM? I would not want to go the Escort route and it seems like everything is closed at that time. Perhaps a night club that stays open till the early morning? I do not patronize street walkers. I will arrive on a Saturday.

Thanks fellas.[/QUOTE]Oops.

I arrive on a Sunday.

[QUOTE=KhaoLao;1871945]Climax closes exactly at 5.30. Insanity between 5.00 to 5.30.

Rabit Dog, Spicey and Boss may open another hour or two longer, depends on the day. But picks are somewhat limited. Its not everybody liking to stay up all night until sun rises again.

If you can enter Climax at maybe 3:30, you will have plenty time and choices to make your pick.[/QUOTE]Arriving on a Sunday night. Will I have the same options?

[QUOTE=BigTimeFun;1872260]Oops.

I arrive on a Sunday.[/QUOTE]BTF man,

Chill its Bangkok you should just have cash in your pocket and book a hotel before landing as it will be a little problem for you there are many in Nana just look up [URL]bangkok.com[/URL] and book a hotel.

Then so many people have told you about so many places easily you will find pussy.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=KhaoLao;1871945]Climax closes exactly at 5.30. Insanity between 5.00 to 5.30.

Rabit Dog,.[/QUOTE]Which place is this Rabit Dog and where? Please give location, types of girls, drink prices etc etc.

Cheers.

I was feeling for a real Thaimassage without any special and don't even wanted to ask. So I was looking for a safe place and went to Times Square in Sukumvith. There is a small massage shop in the basement which looked very open and serious. Went in for a 1 hour Thaimassage. For security I kept my underpants on when I put the massage dress on. The lady looks serious and started a good massage. No teasing, nothing. So I felt safe and relaxed. After 45 minutes she asked me in a very serious way: Do you want a head massage or specials? It sounded like in a plane when the stewardess asked you: Tea or coffee? I was a little shocked but had to laugh too. Next to my mattress was a older lady only separated by a curtain. 3 foot massage armchairs only 3 m from me with costumers. They would had for sure noticed what was going on there. Couldn't for sure enjoy the special.

So I refused the special and got my head massage. Guess there is no safe place in the lower Sukumvith LOL.

I had really good time in a gogo at Soi Cowboy, but I can't remember the name of the place.

It has 2 stages full of funny / extrovert girls, and some girls have fun in a large bath tub with foam just in front of the entrance.

Can you please tell me the name of this place?

Hi folks wanted to share my latest action in Bangkok.

I was traveling for business meetings and then kept some time for fun along with my buddy. It was Saturday night headed to NEP and walked right into Spanky's sat there for few drinks and offered lady drinks to 2 spinners. They were cooperative however very aggressive for BF. Spent some good time and then ventured out to other clubs like lollipop however we felt it was very lame and the girls were very young for our taste.

Went back to Spanky's had fun till 3 AM and then BF 2 hot looking girls took them to st hotel close by and took 2 rooms. My friend had a good experience however My experience was very mechanical and I felt little rushed. Did not feel satisfied went back to our hotel slept and again met my friend for late breakfast looked at the watch and realized it is around 10:30 AM and decided to go to bamboo massage and that is where we found nirvana has a good one I think her name was Wan she was new to bamboo and A+ was on menu. She started with a very strong massage and knew what she was doing with her small body.

Finished in her Ass and felt really satisfied and time to go back to hotel pack bags and head out for airport and back home.

[QUOTE=IloveTits;1872880]So I refused the special and got my head massage. Guess there is no safe place in the lower Sukumvith LOL.[/QUOTE]Indeed, so true.

[QUOTE=KhaoLao;1871945]Climax closes exactly at 5.30. Insanity between 5.00 to 5.30.

Rabit Dog, Spicey and Boss may open another hour or two longer, depends on the day. But picks are somewhat limited. Its not everybody liking to stay up all night until sun rises again.

If you can enter Climax at maybe 3:30, you will have plenty time and choices to make your pick.[/QUOTE]Arrived on time. Took a cab and told them to use freeway as I was told on forum. Went to hotel showered hopped in cab and went straight to Climax. Taxi driver told me not to go it was closed but I trusted the Intel from you guys and it was indeed open. Got to Climax about 3 AM plenty of time to scout. Spoke to a few different prospects and settled on a tiny outgoing lady. Excellent head and very GFE in cab and at hotel. Name is Mai. Excellent oral skills and nice all around experience. Thanks forum for making my first night / morning productive.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1872540]Which place is this Rabit Dog and where? Please give location, types of girls, drink prices etc etc.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Umm, realized I mixed it up. It should mean Scratch Dog.

Basement of Windsor Hotel in Soi 20. Entry is 400 Baht and good for 2 drinks.

[URL]https://youtu.be/hJab0VJOAXM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Scratch-Dog-222294991158959/[/URL]

Mostly Thai crowds, mixed with farangs as the location is lower Sukhumvit. The place hits its peak not before 2 am.

Not all gogo bars especially at Soi cowboy levy cover charge but a few like barraca do. It means that nudity exists inside. Except suspenders dancers have nothing on them. The cover charge is in the form of.

Drinks and typically it costs 175 bath. Being nude you could easily make a choice based on your preferences like big or small boobs, similarly hour glass figure etc then bar fine and then make a walk of shame with the girl holding your hand and leading to hotel nearby! But actually there is no shame here however you would not like to be spotted by your office boss or some childhood friend and you don't spot him then that's a checkmate while both see each other is simply a truce since all snide remarks can fly two ways. But taxi driver remarked that sou cowboy is meant for oldies who are there for eyes only and drink while young men woman prefer bar like Asea lus club!

Overall expense of 700 barfine + slim girl for ST 2000 + room 350.

I walked around Soi Cowboy last night and decided to go into Baccara. I was surprised in that they didn't let you in the door, unless you bought a drink outside first. Inside, it was a madhouse. The place was packed and hardly a seat available. The show was so-so, so I was surprised by the number of people. I left the crowd and crossed the street to Sahara. Very few people were there, but the show was the same. Can someone tell me why Baccara is packed while others have sparse attendance?

Japanese guys don't have to Line up outside for a drink. Sahara isn't buy since lots of guys don't like to patron clubs owned by The Arab. Baccara has a lot of girls. Almost as many as some Pattaya clubs like Sensations and Sapphire.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1874130]I walked around Soi Cowboy last night and decided to go into Baccara. I was surprised in that they didn't let you in the door, unless you bought a drink outside first. Inside, it was a madhouse. The place was packed and hardly a seat available. Can someone tell me why Baccara is packed while others have sparse attendance?[/QUOTE]One night I too was asked to buy a drink before entering Baccara by the gnarly doorman. I laughed in his face and walked away. This guy knows me and knows I have spent plenty in this bar entertaining my Mini's entourage in days gone by. A couple nights later I went back to Baccara. I really wanted to say hello to one of my Mini's gal pals because I had not seen her since October when we all went out to dinner and P was recovering from her 2nd nose job. Her 1st nose job was a horrible disaster. The same doorman let me pass inside without any comment on this particular night. I wish he hadn't however. 555! So what I discovered is that the buy drink first policy is only enforced when the place is over crowded.

Now on to my little story: I found P on the 2nd floor and said Hi and bought her two tequilas as we talked and reminisced. Her 2nd nose job turned out ok and she looked pretty good. Of course there was absolutely nothing wrong with her natural nose and I thought she was much more attractive before the plastic surgeries. (She also had silly cones attached) What a shame because of all Mini's friends, P is the sweetest, not the best looking, but the sweetest and I like her best although I would never shag her.

So after a while, I said bye bye to P and headed downstairs. That's when I ran into T, a girl I had not seen in 2 years. T is now getting on in the years and is definitely approaching her middle 30's. I thought she had retired. I first did her in 2009 when she was still a very attractive, frisky little spinner. On this night, I let her coral me into a seat and I bought her a tequila. She still had her charming personality and I began to remember some of the reasons why I used to like her. Our early sessions in 2009 and 2010 were really quite good. But I noticed that she has put on some weight since I last saw her in 2014, mostly in the legs, and she had bolt-ONS attached in late 2013. I knew about the bolt-ONS when I did her 2 times in 2014 and swore I would never barfine her again. Anyway I kind of felt guilty of the way I had treated her in 2014 by not inviting her over for a drink on one of those nights I was entertaining Mini's entourage. So when she asked me if I would barfine her I reluctantly agreed to it. HA HA.

I will save the juicy stuff for my trip report. Suffice it to say for now, that back in the loom, T was very horny and begged me to lick her pussy which of course I did until she had an orgasm. It is not that it was a bad session, but I would have to rate it as the least productive (that's an interesting use of the word) session of my 2016 trip. I think of it as my farewell/mercy shag to a once really pretty girl that I used to think was amazing and who I think is now just a really nice Thai women. I really hope she retires soon and goes back home to Issan. I wish her all the best.

P.S. I ran into her again near the end of my trip. I bought her another drink, but told her I could not barfine her because I had no power. Which was true at the time because I had just shagged my favorite CH girl and had sent her home in a taxi not 10 minutes earlier. I had gone into Baccara that night for a night cap only. T asked if I would barfine her and take her out to dinner - no service charge involved. I felt sorry for her, she should retire, but I had eaten already and it was time to call it a night so I declined her offer. I did give her a 300bt tip for old times.

Back to Baccara: its popular because it has many many girls. Far more girls than any other Go Go in Thailand including Sensations or Sapphire. Also there is a definite Baccara look to the girls that work there. You either like it or you don't. I have always found a few girls in there that I liked including T back in the day and of course my Mini who retired from the Go Go scene in 2015. But nowadays Crazy House is my favorite Go Go in BKK. I like some of the CH girls a lot and the ambiance is much wilder and better IMHO than the one in Baccara. Still the sheer number of girls in Baccara pretty much guarantee that you will find a girl to your liking there. All it takes is 1 or 2 girls to have a good time. I would advise that when the buy a drink first policy is in effect, to give Baccara a miss, because it is only used when the place is really crowded, too crowded for my taste.

How's BKK and other parts of Thailand in May for P4 P besides rainy season, more girls, less girls, cheaper? Flights are very cheap out of London right now.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Praj4;1874088]Not all gogo bars especially at Soi cowboy levy cover charge but a few like barraca do. It means that nudity exists inside. [/QUOTE]Baccara Bar on Soi Cowboy has a cover charge? When did that happen and how much is it? I was just there last week and there was no cover charge then. Like others have reported, there are times when the place is so packed they require me to buy a drink at the outside bar first, but I have never been asked to pay a cover charge there or in any of the other bars on Soi Cowboy that have girls who dance nude.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1874485]Baccara Bar on Soi Cowboy has a cover charge? When did that happen and how much is it? I was just there last week and there was no cover charge then. Like others have reported, there are times when the place is so packed they require me to buy a drink at the outside bar first, but I have never been asked to pay a cover charge there or in any of the other bars on Soi Cowboy that have girls who dance nude.[/QUOTE]He's calling the drink to get in a cover charge.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1874430]How's BKK and other parts of Thailand in May for P4 P besides rainy season, more girls, less girls, cheaper? Flights are very cheap out of London right now.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I actually prefer May vs February myself. Its much hotter though, pretty much the same amount of girls although some do come and go to visit family but not as much as during their new year. Hotel prices are about the same. Best thing is there's less tourists and less guys taking the girls out of the gogo's, so you'll be a king when you walk in. You won't get any deals though, in fact since the girls aren't making as much they might ask for a bit more than normal.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1874231]
Back to Baccara: its popular because it has many many girls. Far more girls than any other Go Go in Thailand including Sensations or Sapphire. Also there is a definite Baccara look to the girls that work there. You either like it or you don't. I have always found a few girls in there that I liked including T back in the day and of course my Mini who retired from the Go Go scene in 2015. But nowadays Crazy House is my favorite Go Go in BKK. I like some of the CH girls a lot and the ambiance is much wilder and better IMHO than the one in Baccara. Still the sheer number of girls in Baccara pretty much guarantee that you will find a girl to your liking there. All it takes is 1 or 2 girls to have a good time. I would advise that when the buy a drink first policy is in effect, to give Baccara a miss, because it is only used when the place is really crowded, too crowded for my taste.[/QUOTE]I did not always find a girl to my liking, or sometimes I was not to the girl's liking, especially if she had a special target customer in mind.

My problem in Baccara is there are so many girls, that the stage was very packed. When seated near the stage, was very hard to actually see all of the girls on stage and therefore to find THE girl I really liked more, in my case omitting all the nose jobs and silicone jobs that formed a large percentage. Thais call it "sai-ya-gam" or surgeries girls.

In CH I select a seat, with good view of whole lower level stage, if possible (usually is at 8. 30 or 9 PM).

The CH house line up has been hit and miss, but last Sunday (May Day. Worker's Day) saw a big turn out of customers to Cowboy and a good girl line up. Spotted several doable girls, with good bodies, nice tits, and quite pretty natural faces. Ended up with my regular girl, so two or three girls on the possible to do list.

Tuesday, line up was again good but a bit different. I was contemplating a couple of girls very slowly from a distance, but no fast decision. That was fortunate, as in walks the tall model type Donut with very pretty baby face. Shock! Haven't seen her for nearly 3 months I guess. I see her come downstairs again from change room and talking to the mamasan. She has to take a temporary number 21 as her former number perhaps has been re-assigned. I don't know. I go straight to her and indicate I am waiting for her. So she only dances one set before I get her barfined promptly. Of course girls have targets to sell drinks, so we take two or three drinks, tequilas for her, to knock the edge off her shyness and have her in a sexy mood. I believe girls wanting to work regularly to try to get their full monthly salary have a target to sell 80 drinks per month. Donut will probably never work enough to get her salary (all gone in fines due to lack of attendance and lateness), however she still makes drink commissions.

Donut has been away studying diligently she says, University Accounting degree, however this was her first night back in a while, with recent exams over and needing to get money to pay for next term / semester. Can speak English a bit. Suggests she will be learning some other languages in the future. Still studying two days per week at the moment. When in full time study mode, she says she has no time for boys, LINE chats, etc. Her day is just study, eat, and sleep. At CH, so far I am her only regular customer (just 3rd time for me) due to the sheer level of discontinuity about when she turns up to work.

Donut is a very good GFE for me on the bed, a bit of a screamer (Japanese would like ha ha), claiming its her first fuck for a quite a few weeks, and getting into it. Not at all dick scared and no stiff legs. She seems very happy that I intend to go look for her again tonight for repeat.

Moving on, I recently I had cause to visit my regular girl Noi in Mercury bar. Most go-go girls are over weight there excepting Noi and one or two others. She has a great slim body, and spectacular ass. I really liked one of the tall slim Coyotes there too. Very cute face. Cannot tell if she has tits at all, due to the hard shell bras these Coyotes wear, but cute ass. So Coyote is added to the to-do list.

On the way to Nana I stopped by a couple of places for a look. Lollypop had a brief look and nothing of interest there. Also had a quick look in Darling. Over 20 years I have never been very impressed by the Darling line up, cheer staff, nor my experiences there with selected girls. However it is a long time since my last visit. This time I was quite surprised. Maybe 10 girls in the fishbowl at around 7. 30 PM. No real ugly girls, and 2 or three of them looked worth my consideration. I was heading to Mercury bar, but clearly I will return. The standard of looks was significantly better than ever before on visits there, and of course on average way better than Annies, and dare I say better than many other soapies, once the fake nose jobs are eliminated. So girls looks generally natural, probably Issan girls (not extremely white girls), but not ugly ones. To me average looks is not a big issue. I only care about the best looking 2 or 3, but those 2 or 3 were okay I guess I should make a future report when actually try one.

In two and a half weeks here to date, I have done most of my regulars, with one or two still to go, repeated only two girls (including the GF), and tried only three girls for the first time. Recently tried a semi-black girl from Tanzania. My first African girl in Thailand. Wasn't that good, so would be my weakest experience. It was partly her legs were a bit stiff and partly pussy was different to Thai and not giving me the right feel. Her attitude was otherwise okay I guess, but hints of being dick scared. Not all African girls turn out to be wild fucks. She doesn't drink alcohol. Might be better with a few Tequilas in her. LOL. She is the only one of the three tried, I would not repeat, although one (Dollhouse Coyote) was not perhaps good enough to make "definite repeat" status. Just a maybe repeat, several girls look worth trying, and plenty on my regular list. Only did two Oily girls to date, 2 soapy girls, and several bar girls.

I should point out I have had a wonderful time with black girls before, not in Thailand, Jennifer from Ghana I remember fondly as a voluptuous type, with big luscious lips and very pretty face, not so easy to find. So I don't care what colour girls are as long as they are pretty, and I do have a thing about big lips (mouth lips) when girls use them well.

Chatting to my favourite charming LB last night, Miss Eye, at a portable street bar with mostly girls, I see her new silicones have softened up a lot now that they are 4 months old. She says used special soft silicone so they don't have to massaged daily. Being a LB, she is happy to show them off and have people do a trial squeeze, even outside in public near the MRT her tits fell out of the low top and she was not too concerned. She is a casual semi friend, but of course I cannot go with her, as I need a pussy and a meeting a dick would definitely not work for me. I always wonder how the customers can go with LBs if they are not actually gay? A big mystery I would like to understand. So perhaps I will consult with one of her regular customers Irish John, to see if he considers himself to be gay, bi-sexual or even "normal". LOL Every time I got to Asoke Place ST Hotel, almost every time see some Japanese/Korean guy with a LB. So its a big mystery to me how the LBs can be so popular, even though a few hanging around Sukumvit lower Sois and Asoke are quite stunning, in both body and face. Clearly I am very conservative when comes to sex. It's very rare for me to even fuck a girl in the ass and a really good blowjob is considered a bonus for me, rather than a number 1 priority. I am also not requesting BB. I should start to do so, just to survey how many girls are willing these days, otherwise I will have no clue.

Since being in Thailand these weeks, I have not had a covered Blow job (in fact no CBJ for years - cannot remember last one) and every girl has allowed me to put two fingers deep inside exploring their pussy depths. Gentle fingering is a big turn on for me (and DFK) so this is fortunate. So I am not seeing evidence of these things dying out. I do have to remember to wash hands after fingering, since fingers can be a source of eye infections if rub eyes after sex.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1873391]I had really good time in a gogo at Soi Cowboy, but I can't remember the name of the place.

It has 2 stages full of funny / extrovert girls, and some girls have fun in a large bath tub with foam just in front of the entrance.

Can you please tell me the name of this place?[/QUOTE]Not sure. Sounds like billboard in Nana. That place is now the best place in NP. Something of a phoenix from the flames!

[QUOTE=Breadman;1874563]I actually prefer May vs February myself. Its much hotter though, pretty much the same amount of girls although some do come and go to visit family but not as much as during their new year. Hotel prices are about the same. Best thing is there's less tourists and less guys taking the girls out of the gogo's, so you'll be a king when you walk in. You won't get any deals though, in fact since the girls aren't making as much they might ask for a bit more than normal.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

Retiring in January of 2017. Going to be traveling to Thailand and SE Asia for at least a year or longer. The limit on bringing cash is $10,000. Does any one know a good way to bring extra money with me on the trip such as prepaid "chip" credit cards or other financial instruments. I have no desire to leave a paper trail for Uncle Sam. Any replies appreciated. I found a company called Travelex that has prepaid chip credit cards but not sure how much all their fees add up to in the end and what kind of exchange rate I would get.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1874430]How's BKK and other parts of Thailand in May for P4 P besides rainy season, more girls, less girls, cheaper? Flights are very cheap out of London right now.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]May is just fine for me right now in Bangkok, even though cloudless days can be very hot. Just don't stay in the Sun. I usually don't care what time of the year it is, unless wanting to go to beautiful coral Islands. However I do concede girl numbers can drop off at Western New Year, Chinese New Year, and Thai Songkran (3 weeks ago). Last night I was outside from 1 AM to 4 AM and a little bit on the warm side, but quite tolerable.

August to October is the Rainy season, roughly.

Last night was in Crazy House bar. Had 3 girls I wanted to fuck. Ging (big tits), Nikki (very stylish), and Donut (Pretty and delicate), so choice was tough. Donut won out as I have ascended heaven with her 3 times before. We are a great fit. She is stunning (for many) so have to barfine her quick. No problem for her to get multiple ST customers per night. I have quite a few girls added to my "to do" list that I haven't had time to fuck yet.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1874570]My problem in Baccara is there are so many girls, that the stage was very packed. When seated near the stage, was very hard to actually see all of the girls on stage and therefore to find THE girl I really liked more.
[/QUOTE]Never heard someone dislike too many girls on stage before but I know what you mean.

My gripe with Baccara is that the girls do not rotate around the stage every song like they do in some Pattaya clubs with just as many girls (Sapphire, Sensations, etc.). Then the Baccara girls go stand in the EXACT same place their next set. In order to see all the Baccara girls the customer has to move from seat to seat which we all know is next to impossible at night.

[QUOTE=Goatboy55;1874837]Not sure. Sounds like billboard in Nana. That place is now the best place in NP. Something of a phoenix from the flames![/QUOTE]Yeaaaahh! That's it! The Billboard! I remember now. I thought it was in SC, but you're right, it's in NP. Indeed the best place I found there, with plenty of very entertaining girls, not so pushy, and willing to have fun for 2 K ST and 3 K LT.

There are stunners there. Nearly all girls have huge and very nice tattoo. Found it better than Crazy House or Baccara in SC.

Thanks GB!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1874570]I did not always find a girl to my liking, or sometimes I was not to the girl's liking, especially if she had a special target customer in mind.

My problem in Baccara is there are so many girls, that the stage was very packed. When seated near the stage, was very hard to actually see all of the girls on stage and therefore to find THE girl I really liked more, in my case omitting all the nose jobs and silicone jobs that formed a large percentage. Thais call it "sai-ya-gam" or surgeries girls.

In CH I select a seat, with good view of whole lower level stage, if possible (usually is at 8. 30 or 9 PM).

The CH house line up has been hit and miss, but last Sunday (May Day. Worker's Day) saw a big turn out of customers to Cowboy and a good girl line up. Spotted several doable girls, with good bodies, nice tits, and quite pretty natural faces. Ended up with my regular girl, so two or three girls on the possible to do list.

Tuesday, line up was again good but a bit different. I was contemplating a couple of girls very slowly from a distance, but no fast decision. That was fortunate, as in walks the tall model type Donut with very pretty baby face. Shock! Haven't seen her for nearly 3 months I guess. I see her come downstairs again from change room and talking to the mamasan. She has to take a temporary number 21 as her former number perhaps has been re-assigned. I don't know. I go straight to her and indicate I am waiting for her. So she only dances one set before I get her barfined promptly. Of course girls have targets to sell drinks, so we take two or three drinks, tequilas for her, to knock the edge off her shyness and have her in a sexy mood. I believe girls wanting to work regularly to try to get their full monthly salary have a target to sell 80 drinks per month. Donut will probably never work enough to get her salary (all gone in fines due to lack of attendance and lateness), however she still makes drink commissions.

Donut has been away studying diligently she says, University Accounting degree, however this was her first night back in a while, with recent exams over and needing to get money to pay for next term / semester. Can speak English a bit. Suggests she will be learning some other languages in the future. Still studying two days per week at the moment. When in full time study mode, she says she has no time for boys, LINE chats, etc. Her day is just study, eat, and sleep. At CH, so far I am her only regular customer (just 3rd time for me) due to the sheer level of discontinuity about when she turns up to work.

Donut is a very good GFE for me on the bed, a bit of a screamer (Japanese would like ha ha), claiming its her first fuck for a quite a few weeks, and getting into it. Not at all dick scared and no stiff legs. She seems very happy that I intend to go look for her again tonight for repeat.

Moving on, I recently I had cause to visit my regular girl Noi in Mercury bar. Most go-go girls are over weight there excepting Noi and one or two others. She has a great slim body, and spectacular ass. I really liked one of the tall slim Coyotes there too. Very cute face. Cannot tell if she has tits at all, due to the hard shell bras these Coyotes wear, but cute ass. So Coyote is added to the to-do list.

On the way to Nana I stopped by a couple of places for a look. Lollypop had a brief look and nothing of interest there. Also had a quick look in Darling. Over 20 years I have never been very impressed by the Darling line up, cheer staff, nor my experiences there with selected girls. However it is a long time since my last visit. This time I was quite surprised. Maybe 10 girls in the fishbowl at around 7. 30 PM. No real ugly girls, and 2 or three of them looked worth my consideration. I was heading to Mercury bar, but clearly I will return. The standard of looks was significantly better than ever before on visits there, and of course on average way better than Annies, and dare I say better than many other soapies, once the fake nose jobs are eliminated. So girls looks generally natural, probably Issan girls (not extremely white girls), but not ugly ones. To me average looks is not a big issue. I only care about the best looking 2 or 3, but those 2 or 3 were okay I guess I should make a future report when actually try one.

In two and a half weeks here to date, I have done most of my regulars, with one or two still to go, repeated only two girls (including the GF), and tried only three girls for the first time. Recently tried a semi-black girl from Tanzania. My first African girl in Thailand. Wasn't that good, so would be my weakest experience. It was partly her legs were a bit stiff and partly pussy was different to Thai and not giving me the right feel. Her attitude was otherwise okay I guess, but hints of being dick scared. Not all African girls turn out to be wild fucks. She doesn't drink alcohol. Might be better with a few Tequilas in her. LOL. She is the only one of the three tried, I would not repeat, although one (Dollhouse Coyote) was not perhaps good enough to make "definite repeat" status. Just a maybe repeat, several girls look worth trying, and plenty on my regular list. Only did two Oily girls to date, 2 soapy girls, and several bar girls.

I should point out I have had a wonderful time with black girls before, not in Thailand, Jennifer from Ghana I remember fondly as a voluptuous type, with big luscious lips and very pretty face, not so easy to find. So I don't care what colour girls are as long as they are pretty, and I do have a thing about big lips (mouth lips) when girls use them well.

Chatting to my favourite charming LB last night, Miss Eye, at a portable street bar with mostly girls, I see her new silicones have softened up a lot now that they are 4 months old. She says used special soft silicone so they don't have to massaged daily. Being a LB, she is happy to show them off and have people do a trial squeeze, even outside in public near the MRT her tits fell out of the low top and she was not too concerned. She is a casual semi friend, but of course I cannot go with her, as I need a pussy and a meeting a dick would definitely not work for me. I always wonder how the customers can go with LBs if they are not actually gay? A big mystery I would like to understand. So perhaps I will consult with one of her regular customers Irish John, to see if he considers himself to be gay, bi-sexual or even "normal". LOL Every time I got to Asoke Place ST Hotel, almost every time see some Japanese/Korean guy with a LB. So its a big mystery to me how the LBs can be so popular, even though a few hanging around Sukumvit lower Sois and Asoke are quite stunning, in both body and face. Clearly I am very conservative when comes to sex. It's very rare for me to even fuck a girl in the ass and a really good blowjob is considered a bonus for me, rather than a number 1 priority. I am also not requesting BB. I should start to do so, just to survey how many girls are willing these days, otherwise I will have no clue.

Since being in Thailand these weeks, I have not had a covered Blow job (in fact no CBJ for years - cannot remember last one) and every girl has allowed me to put two fingers deep inside exploring their pussy depths. Gentle fingering is a big turn on for me (and DFK) so this is fortunate. So I am not seeing evidence of these things dying out. I do have to remember to wash hands after fingering, since fingers can be a source of eye infections if rub eyes after sex.[/QUOTE]I am with you about wondering why guys like LBs if they are not gay / bi. I have some insight on this and it's quite simple. A friend of mine used to run Japanese tours in Batam, Indonesia and Thailand. Not sex tours but just showing Japanese expats the ropes.

She told me these Japanese office workers would go with 5 or 6 girls over the course of 24 hours. Really highly charged sexual animals.

Essentially they got bored, nothing left to prove or experience, so they usually would also experiment with LBs (who still have penis) just because the thrill of sex was kind of gone for them.

So the more exotic the better for them I guess. To each his own.

[QUOTE=TesterTester;1875076]Essentially they got bored, nothing left to prove or experience, so they usually would also experiment with LBs (who still have penis) just because the thrill of sex was kind of gone for them.

So the more exotic the better for them I guess. To each his own.[/QUOTE]Yes I think I have to recognise that while I like a little bit exotic for looks, e. G. Big lips, my sex experiences are very conservative indeed. I will never be so adventurous.

I see Japanese with LBs every single time I go to the ST Hotel, well almost every time. Some don't even strike me as pretty.

On another topic, I observed a Farang in the bar last night acting extremely arrogantly and loud mouthed (probably a bit drunk and showing off). I was thinking that the Japanese customers are a lot quieter. So I asked a couple of different girls if Japanese and Korean customers are better than (arrogant) Farangs. The girls said no, they much prefer the Farangs, even though some Farangs are grab flesh happy without wanting to pay the girl anything or buy a drink. I did not get immense detail as why but I assume some of the Asians are considered to be warped in a nasty way. Chinese are also not well considered, assumed to be very impolite and treating girls with zero respect (I guess American Chinese are very different. Americans have a good reputation overall as do some Europeans especially Scandinavian ones). One girl mentioned that Japanese / Koreans gaze is fixed on only one thing. The pussy. Ha ha. This seems funny considering they are taking lady boys so often that don't have a pussy. Biased survey of course. Maybe "my girls" like Farangs more, but other girls in the tiny little girl section are mostly preferring Japanese. All my girls come from the taller section except I tried the hot little dark skin Jane a while back (and also Naen), both of which have mainly Farang customers. Girls that are typically dick scared may stay away from Farangs somewhat. Japanese do have the reputation for being very quick fucks among other things.

I must be warped myself, in a good way, as I treat girls with decent respect and never stingy, and look at them naked as a whole, finding the whole package can be beautifully artistic, if they are not wrecked by babies or surgeries or piercings. Pretty faces are important to me, not just pussy, although all too few really pretty ones.

Every time I spot a Ladyboy at the ST hotel, it always seems to be a Japanese or Korean customer. Hardly see Farangs take their LBs to this particular spot. No idea why that is. I certainly see plenty of Farangs with LBs elsewhere. Maybe Farangs are not to shy to take a LB home or to their hotel.

I wish Cowboy bars were not permitted to have LBs. The number of places where I have seen a ladyboy presumably doing sex work seems to keep gradually increasing and Soi 21 (Asoke) is full of ladyboys these days. I don't want Cowboy to turn "gay". The prevalence of Coyotes with fully covered tits is bad enough already.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1875050]Yeaaaahh! That's it! The Billboard! I remember now. I thought it was in SC, but you're right, it's in NP. Indeed the best place I found there, with plenty of very entertaining girls, not so pushy, and willing to have fun for 2 K ST and 3 K LT.

There are stunners there. Nearly all girls have huge and very nice tattoo. Found it better than Crazy House or Baccara in SC.

Thanks GB![/QUOTE]They don't have a lot of girls, right? I was a bit underwhelmed last time at Billboard, but if sudsy girls works for you, I can see the attraction.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1875014]Never heard someone dislike too many girls on stage before but I know what you mean.

My gripe with Baccara is that the girls do not rotate around the stage every song like they do in some Pattaya clubs with just as many girls (Sapphire, Sensations, etc.). Then the Baccara girls go stand in the EXACT same place their next set. In order to see all the Baccara girls the customer has to move from seat to seat which we all know is next to impossible at night.[/QUOTE]Yeh, valid point. I found myself wanting to walk continual stage circuits due to just not being able to see the girls. I wonder how the Bacarra professionals solve these problems. Just too crowded I think, and too few girls in the non-surgeries group that I can get to easily. I have a had a about 3 or 4 quite good fucks from there though over the years, once I managed to find the right natural girl, in the past. One favorite had her tits done and then I lost interest quickly and she later moved on to Tilac.

I hate the continuing migration of Baccara girls (possibly rejects) to Crazy House. It is degrading the standard, to me. Too many ugly nose jobs now. I would not be aware of course if there is also migration in the other direction.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1875141]They don't have a lot of girls, right? [/QUOTE]I remember they DO have plenty of girls. There are two stages + jacuzzi, and the girls often move from one to another, and even to the jacuzzi. SS you can easily point and click.

Maybe 20 or 30 girls? Maybe you should check it out soon.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1875182]I remember they DO have plenty of girls. There are two stages + jacuzzi, and the girls often move from one to another, and even to the jacuzzi. SS you can easily point and click.

Maybe 20 or 30 girls? Maybe you should check it out soon.[/QUOTE]Last I checked it, in the last year I guess, I found barely 20 girls I believe probably 15 at most. I probably need to find my report to refresh my memory. Its possible it seemed less than reality as the place is big and wasn't very busy at the time. I prefer a bigger line up without getting crowded on the stage. I can easily check Billboard again next Nana visit. I will go to Mercury looking for Noi or the very pretty tall Coyote. I don't actually recommend Mercury as most girls there are rather overweight of puffy (they say that is Indian Spec - I don't know), but some Coyotes look very good.

However I always concede that a bar is only as good as the top 3 girls on the day, and arriving at a bar a bit late is not good to see the best girls. Today Crazy House had 40 girls at a guess, but only one I really wanted to fuck, which was enough.

I decided to check out Long Gun today, not having attended for years 2 to 3 years maybe more. Three of the senior staff there were still there and remembered me well, which may have been a severe disadvantage as they swamped me. I just wanted to relax and chill out but they had other ideas.

The Thai word I teach for today, which I had to use is "reng reng" which means to hurry or rush someone or perhaps could be translated as nag. The staff hassled me pretty badly, requesting drinks too often, trying to bring girls to me, even though I made it quite clear I was not barfining any girls and just looking today. So in the end I did not stay long. Was easy to pay the bill and go. I hope they realise that if I cannot relax and chill out, I will leave next time, if there is a next time. I have never experienced this level off hassle at Crazy House, or indeed most bars. Occasionally I have to knock back waitress drink requests at Crazy house, but generally I get to relax. Maybe the odd occasion if don't get my favourite waitress, have had to tell some stupid girl to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off. I don't take kindly to requests for drinks before I have been given good service. After good service, yes, no problem, or close friends. Actually I am mostly preferring to offer drinks and don't like anyone to request them too often. girls that know me well, usually know when they can expect to get a drink out of me, and don't need to overdo reminding me, or requesting. I like very polite somewhat demure types.

A special bar where I was hassled in the most extreme ever was Rainbow 3, long ago now, but never returned, obviously. That bar was the champion. Mandarin (downstairs) was a another not so great. Upstairs was better.

The total number of girls at Long Gun, I could not tell since shows were on, but after that when girls got on stage for normal dancing, could be 20 got up at one time, and others were down.
A mixed bag of girls, a few fatties.

Only one girl in the place was of significant interest, Yui, flat chested but I liked her face a lot. A show dancer. Well I mean only one girl who had the gear off. There were one or two others that looked with clothes or bar still on. One had apparently big tits but could well have been silicone. Yui reminded me of the best cabaret dancer (of a pair that worked together), Long Gun ever had in the distant past (maybe 7 to 8 years ago), Ning/Nikki, who was very slim and also not much tits. They tell me Ning/Nikki now lives in another country and has had a tit job done. What a shame. She was so sleak before. Yui claimed to know Ning and said they come from the same place, same Ampoe I guess. I may go back for Yui another day, but won't work out if they get back into extreme hassle mode. Yui herself was quite O.K. (nice and no hassle).

[QUOTE=Jebapaf;1874907]Retiring in January of 2017. Going to be traveling to Thailand and SE Asia for at least a year or longer. The limit on bringing cash is $10,000. Does any one know a good way to bring extra money with me on the trip such as prepaid "chip" credit cards or other financial instruments. I have no desire to leave a paper trail for Uncle Sam. Any replies appreciated. I found a company called Travelex that has prepaid chip credit cards but not sure how much all their fees add up to in the end and what kind of exchange rate I would get.[/QUOTE]Buy some gold jewelry, you'll be able to sell that anywhere in Asia for cash.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1875290]Buy some gold jewelry, you'll be able to sell that anywhere in Asia for cash.[/QUOTE]Just don't buy that crazy 10 or 18 k stuff. You will sell that junk at w significant loss.

Go to any city's Chinatown for pure gold or buy gold coins or bullion.

[QUOTE=Jebapaf;1874907]Retiring in January of 2017. Going to be traveling to Thailand and SE Asia for at least a year or longer. The limit on bringing cash is $10,000. Does any one know a good way to bring extra money with me on the trip such as prepaid "chip" credit cards or other financial instruments. I have no desire to leave a paper trail for Uncle Sam. Any replies appreciated. I found a company called Travelex that has prepaid chip credit cards but not sure how much all their fees add up to in the end and what kind of exchange rate I would get.[/QUOTE]I think you will find there is no limit on cash carried, but you must declare it. If your home country lets you take out more subject to declaration, then just take a withdrawal acknowledgment from your bank where you drew it out, and then you will need to declare it going into other countries. All this is to stop tax evasion in your home country, and keep out Mafia types in the counties you visit, but if you roll up into Thailand with money you can declare it. Travlex cards are about 5% dearer than using you own bank's ATM card, or at least that was my experience in Thailand and Vietnam, and why I stopped selling them.
If you will be in Thailand for a long time then open a bank account there, the rules are getting a little tighter, but they won't steal your money, you could bring a bank draft made out to you for deposit after you open the account. Most banks will not let you open an account and deposit a cheque at the same time, a few days later is no problem.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1875290]Buy some gold jewelry, you'll be able to sell that anywhere in Asia for cash.[/QUOTE]Buying jewellery in the western countries is no answer, you should buy gold bars, that way there is no labour cost in making the jewellery down the drain.

Make sure the bars are marked with an internationally recognised hallmark.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1875622]Buying jewellery in the western countries is no answer, you should buy gold bars, that way there is no labour cost in making the jewellery down the drain.

Make sure the bars are marked with an internationally recognised hallmark.[/QUOTE]I agree. In addition golden jewellery is not as pure as golden bars (999.9) still their gram price (as a base) is referred to Gold stock Market ones plus labour.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1875290]Buy some gold jewelry, you'll be able to sell that anywhere in Asia for cash.[/QUOTE]Gold Will still be rated as money from that Point of view, Just as diamonds etc.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1875621]I think you will find there is no limit on cash carried, but you must declare it. [/QUOTE]Proper advise and information. Not the usual internetpedia!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1875138]Yes I think I have to recognise that while I like a little bit exotic for looks, e. G. Big lips, my sex experiences are very conservative indeed. I will never be so adventurous.

I see Japanese with LBs every single time I go to the ST Hotel, well almost every time. Some don't even strike me as pretty.

Every time I spot a Ladyboy at the ST hotel, it always seems to be a Japanese or Korean customer. Hardly see Farangs take their LBs to this particular spot. No idea why that is. I certainly see plenty of Farangs with LBs elsewhere. Maybe Farangs are not to shy to take a LB home or to their hotel.

I wish Cowboy bars were not permitted to have LBs. The number of places where I have seen a ladyboy presumeably doing sex work seems to keep gradually increasing and Soi 21 (Asoke) is full of ladyboys these days. I don't want Cowboy to turn "gay". The prevalence of Coyotes with fully covered tits is bad enough already.[/QUOTE]Most likely japanese and koreans do not call at the nearby Hotels. So quicker and better To use ST rooms.

They are also more used to love hotels at home and not thinking of GF Hotels as you have in BKK.

BKK is very open to 4 P4 and the Hotels are ok with it, within decency, not much this is not so common elsewhere.

Last but not least japanese and koreans often travel in groups and bringing girls back to their hotel might not be ideal as others can see.

In Soi cowboy there is only one LB gogo, unless you refer to FL's, which might be.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1875634]In Soi cowboy there is only one LB gogo, unless you refer to FL's, which might be.[/QUOTE]Sure Cockatoo maybe the only totally obvious LB bar, but I have seen LBs stationed at one or two other bars, and a few years back I detected about 3 ladyboys surreptitiously working at Deja Vu, pretending to be girls. Another girl working there confirmed they were actually ladyboys but most customers could not tell. Soi 21 is full of ladyboys at the portable bars.

One day at the CH bar (not tonight), I "entertained" 3 ladies or rather they entertained me naked and sitting on my lap in turns, but I fairly promptly BFed the stunning one, for a repeat ST. She is the best fuck for me.

Later, after a great ST, I brought her back to the bar, as I was ready for a few alcoholic drinks, having got a great fuck out of the way. I told her I was not jealous though, and if she had another nice customer, she was welcome to go with him. Some really loud and macho obnoxious drunk types by the bar hassled her a bit wanting to grab, but she soon had hooked a customer (within minutes of getting off the stage). Another girl friend of hers was now with me. I saw my ST girl leave with her new customer, and I approved as I thought he looked like a very nice guy based on just a 2 or 3 second glance.

Tonight I was seated near the front door so saw the stunning one as she entered and quickly got to her to indicate my interest. After the change room she had to dance but then came to me. I got her barfined pretty quickly. Plenty of guys were eyeing her. She dances with slow erotic undulations of her legs and ass. Draws the eyes to her. None of that fast disco like dancing. We left for ST. I asked her later how was her 2nd customer the other night. She confirmed he was a really nice guy like we had suspected. She then mentioned that guy had come looking for her last night but she did not work, and again tonight, wanted to BF her, but he was too late as I had BFed her already. He left the bar fairly promptly after that. Disappointment and no other girl would do. I laughed a little, as it's happened to me before. I know how prompt you need to be sometimes. I said I felt sorry for him though since I know how great this girl is, all too well. I said that I would probably stay away Saturday and give him another chance to get her. The girl then tells me he has to travel to Phuket tomorrow, poor sod. Oh well, at least he got to try her once so far.

So I get my fabulous time with this stunner again tonight. She says she is pretty much horny every day, is sensitive so as to cum quite easily, and does not work that much in total due to her studies. She has to work to get money to pay her Uni fees and her younger sister's school fees as well, but its fortunate she likes sex.

We had 3 bouts of sex with short breaks in between within the "short time" not counting the DATY. I finished off with doggy (I don't cum easy). She never complained about the long duration at all, and was always seemingly into it. Very GFE, excepting use of a condom. She even gave me a special masturbation show with spreading her pussy lips so I could see the hot pinkness bits inside. She teased me at the end and suggested I should build up lots of energy for our next about another day. I sent her back to the bar, to allow her make more money. I am sure she would be barfined again very shortly.

Since my story could easily identify me this time, and the other guy could even be reading, I have left out a few vital facts on this occasion, like her name and number.

The overall line up was excellent tonight. Best for last few weeks. I could have easily chosen any girl of several, and 3 favourites were present as well.

3 weeks in Bangkok, and only 1 really below average session, so have been lucky but also focussed on my regular girls where there is little risk. I am very happy with the bargirls I have done and tonight's in particular is my best overall package bargirl for many years. Nothing to criticise. A lovely girl. If I was a young man I would probably want to marry her. LOL O.K. I don't really know her character in great depth but yet to find any faults.

I visited Bangkok in January 2014, didn't write report at that time as I was not member at that time.

Stayed there for 3 days at Grand Sukhumvit hotel, girl friendly and near Nana plaza.

Day 1.

Arrived late so didn't have any action.

Day 2.

Went to Caesars entertainment complex by metro and than by taxi, have written about that in massage section.

At night went to Nana plaza and checked different bars, there were good selection of girls, find a very good looking girl at rainbow bar took her for short time by giving bar fine, took a tuk tuk to hotel which was near, she gave me a massage than BBJ and then CBJ. Sex at different positions, overall nice experience.

Day 3.

Tried Dr BJ, I took a consultant for 1000 bahts, she give an OK BBBJ but you have to put condom before cuming so no CIM, was not a good experience.

Aside from the price being much more expensive than 20 years ago, I am still having a great time with GFE type of girls.

Have had only two really weak to crap sessions for the year (without expecting PSE type stuff). Both crap girl were from late night outside portable bars. I might be more wary about this source from now on.

The standard of looks of girls I do is much better on average than 20 years ago. I am much more picky. Did I do a girl with silicones this year? Can't remember one now. A lot of repeated regular girls cuts down the risk greatly. Also new girls are mostly studied at great length before deciding to take them. Helps avoid mistakes a lot. I make exceptions for absolute stunners. If don't take them quick, someone else will.

Crazy House is my Butterfly bar. 6 different girls fucked from there in a 3 week period. All were good. Only 2 were new girl tries but both worked out well. In my total time at CH have had 10 girls good enough to be worth repeating and probably 10 not worth repeating. Mistakes occurred in past mainly by selecting girls too fast or simply bad luck with dick scared girls. Only 2 girls from CH long gone but badly missed being Nat and May-Lee both stunners. I have never ever had a bar where so many different girls fucked as CH. Perhaps Suzie Wong comes close over several years, however don't go there much any more due to lack of great slim but curvy bodies. Many years ago I also tried quite a lot of different girls at Chao Phraya 2 soapy. Some other soapies with a few girls tried. Mona Lisa(gone) Amsterdam, Annies, La Belle, Poseidon, Cleopatra (gone)? J One, Nataree (never been a reliable source for me - many girls too inexperienced and dick scared).

So I manage to remain a pretty happy monger. Just the addiction costs me too much. So I have to start cutting back.

Anyone know if there are any twins or sisters working in the gogo's?

Here's what I do.

I ask the company I'm thinking of doing business with (In your case travelex) not a sex forum!

Having said that, Bangkok Bank will give you an account and a debit card on the spot if you show up with a legal amount, no questions asked. Later, apply for a Thai credit card.

However, it's only good for Thailand AFAIK, and as you're American, the FUBAR of FBAR or whatever the fuck it's called scares a lot of banks away.

Here's how to do it legally, Apply for a retirement extension of stay, come here (or the PI, but I'll deal with TH for this post only) and deposit (by forex transfer)
the minimum of THB 800,000 (I have no idea what the maximum is, but DONT put all your money in a Thai bank!) this THB 800K needs to be topped up or replaced every year,
it's more than enough to live on unless you're a rock star, and need lobster, champagne, cocaine and ten hookers a day.

(You'll need to show your passport, which gets photocopied, so really, there's unlikely to be a way to dodge uncle sam unless you carry cash,
and depositing more than the maximum allowed will get you in the shit.

Now I may be wrong, as things have changed a lot since I arrived in 2013, but then again, this is a sex forum not a bank attorneys forum.

Why not just pay your dues?

Listen, I am not American, but I have triple nationality. I tried to get 'cute' with my tax affairs, and trust me, I was lucky to get out of it without a criminal record!

I lost about $50 K in forced repatriation, I HAD to sell my Swiss gold at a loss or face prosecution, for my 'gray-area' efforts, and I just pay the fuckers now, it's cheaper in the long run!

[QUOTE=Jebapaf;1874907]Retiring in January of 2017. Going to be traveling to Thailand and SE Asia for at least a year or longer. The limit on bringing cash is $10,000. Does any one know a good way to bring extra money with me on the trip such as prepaid "chip" credit cards or other financial instruments. I have no desire to leave a paper trail for Uncle Sam. Any replies appreciated. I found a company called Travelex that has prepaid chip credit cards but not sure how much all their fees add up to in the end and what kind of exchange rate I would get.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1876017]Here's what I do.

I ask the company I'm thinking of doing business with (In your case travelex) not a sex forum!

Having said that, Bangkok Bank will give you an account and a debit card on the spot if you show up with a bag of cash, no questions asked.

However, it's only good for Thailand AFAIK, and as you're American, the FUBAR of FBAR or whatever the fuck it's called scares a lot of banks away.

(You'll need to show your passport, which gets photocopied, so really, there's unlikely to be a way to dodge uncle sam unless you carry cash.

And that's just asking to be ripped off.

Why not just pay your dues? I am not American, but I have triple nationality.

I tried to get 'cute' with my tax affairs, and trust me, I was lucky to get out of it without a criminal record! I lost about $50 K in forced repatriation (I HAD to sell my Swiss gold or face prosecution) for my efforts, and I just pay the fuckers now, it's cheaper in the long run![/QUOTE]Is your info up to date? I have a Bangkok Bank account since many years, but last time I tried to open another one a few years back, they wanted evidence of my employment in Thailand.

At the time Thai Farmers was only one allowing a new account with no documents to give justifications.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1876019]Is your info up to date? I have a Bangkok Bank account since many years, but last time I tried to open another one a few years back, they wanted evidence of my employment in Thailand.

At the time Thai Farmers was only one allowing a new account with no documents to give justifications.[/QUOTE]I already amended my post, but if you want to question my story, that's OK.

I can't comment on why you had problems.

I arrived, got the account, I have also transferred it within the BKK bank to different branches about 4 times with no hassles.

I did it in 2013 February, and I am an EU passport holder (among 2 others, but use the EU passport here only).

If you provide similar info, then maybe we can compare notes, or maybe its useless. Sometimes, as you know.

You can get two or three different story from the bank or immigration or whoever, in Thailand, depending on who you speak to at the same building!

BTW thanks for your info on CH bar, I will be in town tomorrow from the 'sticks' up north for some fun!

PM me if you are so inclined to meet another expat.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1875756]Tonight I was seated near the front door so saw the stunning one as she entered and quickly got to her to indicate my interest.[/QUOTE]Interesting post. Your point is well taken. Just curious, what time is best to get to CH to get a shot at the real stunners there?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1875934]Crazy House is my Butterfly bar..[/QUOTE]I've trawled the Go-Gos of NP, SC and Patpong this last week. Whilst I think that CH and Baccara have the best looking girls, both places are so busy that I can't find it relaxing or enjoyable in there. I have a much better time in a quieter place and pick a girl I like and have a laugh. Have had better times therefore this week at Dollhouse, Mandarin, Billboard and Pink Panther. It does not take much for me to get Go-Go fatigue. After a week I am pretty much there. Either I can't differentiate too much between all the girls (want to fuck all of them), or I start noticing the smallest flaws on each one (find a reason not to fuck any of them). That's when it's time for a break. For the record I only barfined one girl from a go-go. The dark-skinned young girl in Billboard in the bath with crimped / wavy hair. Nice enthusiastic fuck. Perfect look for me (although probably not for most people in BK who prefer white-Asian girls).

My other fucks were Pen from SOL, Kae from Bongkot and Yaya from Cherry. I enjoyed all but my favorite was yaya. Lovely girl. My fave BJ was Bo from Soms. Young 20 yr old with amazing natural big firm tits (think her name was Bo. She has a black tattoo at the top of her left tit) - good experience as always at Soms.

[QUOTE=MilesToGo;1875314]Just don't buy that crazy 10 or 18 k stuff. You will sell that junk at w significant loss.

Go to any city's Chinatown for pure gold or buy gold coins or bullion.[/QUOTE]Just ask the bargirls where they buy their gold. The Thai gold is 22 kt I think and quoted in units of baht (which is a unit of weight equal to 15 grams).

[QUOTE=Jebapaf;1874907]Retiring in January of 2017. Going to be traveling to Thailand and SE Asia for at least a year or longer. The limit on bringing cash is $10,000. Does any one know a good way to bring extra money with me on the trip such as prepaid "chip" credit cards or other financial instruments. I have no desire to leave a paper trail for Uncle Sam. Any replies appreciated. I found a company called Travelex that has prepaid chip credit cards but not sure how much all their fees add up to in the end and what kind of exchange rate I would get.[/QUOTE]There is no limit to the cash you can bring into Thailand.

There is a limit of USD 20 000 below which you do not have to declare you are importing or exporting cash. Above that amount you need to make a declaration at the Customs office.

[QUOTE]Foreign Currency

Travelers bringing foreign currency more than USD 20,000 or its equivalent into or out of Thailand are required to make a report to Customs. This report is required by the Ministerial Regulation (No. 25) B.E. 2530 issued under the Authority of the Currency Exchange Control Act B.E. 2485 and relevant regulations.

The Regulation and Notification require that travelers bringing foreign currency, both a bank note and a coin, with the total aggregate value exceeding USD 20,000 or its equivalent, must report it to a Customs officer at a port/airport of entry or exit, using the given Foreign Currency Declaration Form. The travelers must complete, sign, and submit the Form to report their foreign currency where such currency are physically carried by a person arriving in or departing from Thailand, or where they form part of the persons baggage and that person and his or her baggage are being carried on board the same conveyance across the border.

A person who reports currency has to answer truthfully any questions that a border services officer asks about the information required for the report.

[URL]http://www.customs.go.th/wps/wcm/connect/custen/travellers/arriving+in+thailand/arrivinginthailand[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Foreign Currency Declaration at the Suvarnabhumi Airport

The travelers who bring in or out of Thailand of foreign currency, both a bank note and a coin, with the total aggregate value exceeding USD 20,000 or its equivalent has to report the Customs Department by submitting the following document to Customs officer :

A completed Foreign Currency Declaration Form;
A passport; and
A boarding Pass.

Inbound travelers who want to file the Foreign Currency Declaration Form can contact a Customs officer at Red Channel “Goods to Declare”.

Outbound travelers can report the foreign currency at the Customs Office, the 4th Floor, Passenger Terminal, Suvarnabhumi Airport.

There is no fee for such a report. The declaration will be processed within 15 minutes after the Customs officer receives all required documents.

CONTACT
For further inquiry and information, you may contact the Customs Call Center at Tel. 1164 or the Customs Clinic at Tel. 02-667-7880-4, Fax. 02-667-7885, e-mail: customs_clinic@customs.go.th.

[URL]http://www.customs.go.th/wps/wcm/connect/custen/traders+and+business/prohibited+and+restricted+items/currency/currency[/URL][/QUOTE]

In Short Time Hotel on Friday night the rooms were all full, so had to wait about 10 minutes. Other guys with their girls were waiting too. Every guy looked like Japanese or Korean except for me.

I could not help noticing that several of the girls with those East Asian guys, were quite dark skinned, significantly darker than my girl, and of about 6 couples, only one girl has fairly light skin. Usually see guys with LBs too, but not last night.

At CH bar I have two regulars Oom and Noi that are both tall and rather whitish skin, yet I see these two girls are more popular with western guys than with Asian customers. I mostly know girls from the tall group of dancers. Of the short darker skin group I have only done two girls Naen and Jane. These two girls usually have Farang type customers too. Most of the very short girls are hunting for East Asian customers, from what I have heard and seen for myself.

I think it's a bit of a myth the East Asian guys only like white skin girls. Another Naen with dark skin goes mostly with Asian men. I believe their may be certain aspects that Asian men like, not clear what they are exactly, other than they definitely like the girls young, but only sometimes coincides with my spec. Asian men are accepting nose jobs, weird hairstyles, silicones, LBs, many types that I would avoid. Many Farangs seem to have a habit of wanting extremely wayward girls acting a bit slutty or provocative (avoiding very shy girls) from my observation even if the girl is not pretty. Not all though.

Dear friends,

Traveling to Bangkok after gap of 5 yrs, need some help from the senior members.

1. Best Soapy massage at Annie's? If not then which is the new one for best services.

2. Most happening night clubs in Bangkok.

3. Pick up points.

4. What are the on going rates for ST and LT.

Do not want to miss the best places.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1876251]In Short Time Hotel on Friday night the rooms were all full, so had to wait about 10 minutes. Other guys with their girls were waiting too. Every guy looked like Japanese or Korean except for me.

I could not help noticing that several of the girls with those East Asian guys, were quite dark skinned, significantly darker than my girl, and of about 6 couples, only one girl has fairly light skin. Usually see guys with LBs too, but not last night.

At CH bar I have two regulars Oom and Noi that are both tall and rather whitish skin, yet I see these two girls are more popular with western guys than with Asian customers. I mostly know girls from the tall group of dancers. Of the short darker skin group I have only done two girls Naen and Jane. These two girls usually have Farang type customers too. Most of the very short girls are hunting for East Asian customers, from what I have heard and seen for myself.

I think it's a bit of a myth the East Asian guys only like white skin girls. Another Naen with dark skin goes mostly with Asian men. I believe their may be certain aspects that Asian men like, not clear what they are exactly, other than they definitely like the girls young, but only sometimes coincides with my spec. Asian men are accepting nose jobs, weird hairstyles, silicones, LBs, many types that I would avoid. Many Farangs seem to have a habit of wanting extremely wayward girls acting a bit slutty or provocative (avoiding very shy girls) from my observation even if the girl is not pretty. Not all though.[/QUOTE]I think there are fewer and fewer lighter skinned lookers available and the punters are taking what they can get. And of course there is also the shape of the face that is very important to Asian gals. I.

Don't think a girl has to be "wayward" to be slutty either. Some women revel in their sexuality and some are uncomfortable with it. Many Thai women, including working girls, are still uncomfortable with being overtly sexual as they are taught it is "dirty. ".

Bad plastic surgery is bad plastic surgery. There are some great nose jobs out there and some wonderful fake racks. Asian dudes want their Thai chicks to look like Japanese or Korean chicks who have been surgically enhanced. That is why the working gals have the surgeries. To increase business. Too bad they are going to cut rate surgeons. They can get a rack as cheap as 40-50 k Baht. But a good rack will cost upwards of 100 K for a set of teardrop shaped implants that look natural. Noses are the same. 15 K or so for a crappy silicon implant. Have a buddy who is a plastic surgeon in the US and he would never implant silicone in a nose. Really increases the possibility of infection down the road. If he does an implant in the nose, he takes piece of the patients rib, shapes it, and implants it. Of course that takes time and is far more expensive.

[QUOTE=Jebapaf;1874907]Retiring in January of 2017. Going to be traveling to Thailand and SE Asia for at least a year or longer. The limit on bringing cash is $10,000. Does any one know a good way to bring extra money with me on the trip such as prepaid "chip" credit cards or other financial instruments. I have no desire to leave a paper trail for Uncle Sam. Any replies appreciated. I found a company called Travelex that has prepaid chip credit cards but not sure how much all their fees add up to in the end and what kind of exchange rate I would get.[/QUOTE]I have a Charles Schwab account. I transfer money there from my USA bank account without fee. CS refunds any local ATM fees from any bank ATM in Asia that I have used. The rates are very good, same as Visa gives. They refund the fees to your account the month after you make a transaction. Limit is $1000 per day. I've had no issues with them, and their customer service is great. Much safer and better rate than carrying cash around.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1876376]I have a Charles Schwab account. I transfer money there from my USA bank account without fee. CS refunds any local ATM fees from any bank ATM in Asia that I have used. The rates are very good, same as Visa gives. They refund the fees to your account the month after you make a transaction. Limit is $1000 per day. I've had no issues with them, and their customer service is great. Much safer and better rate than carrying cash around.[/QUOTE]He does not want to leave a paper trail. I suggest investment grade diamonds hidden in the a hole. That paper trail is flushable!

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1876376]I have a Charles Schwab account. I transfer money there from my USA bank account without fee. CS refunds any local ATM fees from any bank ATM in Asia that I have used. The rates are very good, same as Visa gives. They refund the fees to your account the month after you make a transaction. Limit is $1000 per day. I've had no issues with them, and their customer service is great. Much safer and better rate than carrying cash around.[/QUOTE]Yeah, good point. I believe Fidelity also does that, but so far I have opted not to have checking / savings or an ATM / credit card through them, since I am more than eligible with an ' Active Trader Account' and do several hundred trades a year. And, that's because, as an ex Citibanker with a Gold account, I always withdrew in local currency directly out of my Citi checking and / or savings accounts, to get around daily withdrawal ATM limits, where / when applicable. But, just recently, Citi has starting charging a 3 PC fee and so I promptly moved to get rid of my Gold Status just because I was pissed off with that change.

One thing though to bear in mind, is that even though CS or Fidelity may refund ATM transaction fees, for out of network, there is still a mark up through FX spread and top up, whereas with Citi there was none for Gold accounts, with the FX being very close to the published rates, which are usually based on a minimum of 1 MM USD FX trades.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1876322]Don't think a girl has to be "wayward" to be slutty either. Some women revel in their sexuality and some are uncomfortable with it. Many Thai women, including working girls, are still uncomfortable with being overtly sexual as they are taught it is "dirty. ".[/QUOTE]Agreed. A girl can be very sensual, sexy, and suggest wanting it without getting aggressive, without being too low class. I am not too critical of girls going a bit far in a "dirty" way, as they have seen that this tactic works for hooking many Farang customers, even if the girl does not have the benefit of superb looks. Unfortunately the very weak character customers, are rewarding girls for somewhat aggressive tactics too, since they are not capable of showing complete disinterest and distain for aggressive girls. I believe I am capable to ignore pushy girls, however if staff are too persistent it spoils the relaxation. Can happen occasionally, and I can either get very dismissive to them or leave. I try hard to reward girls for good fun behaviour and good service but not for being pushy.

Similarly I approve of girls that do not co-operate with the most aggressive type of customers, that fail to show any level of politeness. There are some arrogant low class customers and some overly low class ugly girls. The two groups are made for each other. LOL.

Recent look in the Dollhouse showed naked girls acting very wayward. They weren't real pretty, so I guess they had to be acting pretty slutty to get business. Hard to compete against shops with bigger girl numbers and prettier girls.

Crazy House has a mix of sensual beautiful girls, slightly wayward provocative girls (the in between types), and then the really extroverted girls with open legs shoving pussy in the guys face or whatever and into being groped in the bar big time. Usually the more aggressive extroverted girls are not so pretty, but there are exceptions. Number 22 is a fairly good looker (for my spec) who has learned she can hook guys easily by dancing legs well apart and with pussy exposed very close to customer faces. Probably acts just a bit too aggressively to really tempt me. On other hand, Jane number 4 acts very sexual showing off her hot ass and gap to maximum advantage without being aggressive, and employing a very cheeky grim. Works for me as well as for many other customers. She is never without a customer. There is a fine line sometimes between being very sexy and going too far into being a slutty animal. Jane stays just on the right side of fine line, being a champion cock teaser in the bar, and very cute if not stunning, but also delivering on the bed. Hence hooks regular customers no problem.

Most more classy girls are not into being groped too much by unknown guys in the bar with everyone watching, even if they are nude, and certainly not for free. However tit fondling is pretty standard at least. Some girls have a personal standard and they cannot teach themselves to act really slutty even if would increase their business. Some girls are refusing customers that they don't like the style of, even if the customer offers double the money.

I suppose I am mostly taking girls that are relatively classy in behavior in the bar, not too wayward, even if naked, but far more wayward in the bedroom. This is what we expect from Thai girls. Reasonably prim and proper in public but wayward sex bombs on the bed. Okay I exaggerate a bit too much. I don't need girls to be that extreme.

None of us take well to girls that are overly restrictive on the bed, however I am okay With girls disallowing certain things in the bar. Some girls are very shy about kissing (DFK style) in the bar, for example. It's not at all abnormal for Thais to be shy about that. Other girls do kiss in the bar. If you get a really nice kiss from a girl in the bar, that is very persuasive that she is going to be GFE though.

Where to find the natural huge boobs Thai ladies.

Thanks

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1876025]I already amended my post, but if you want to question my story, that's OK.

I can't comment on why you had problems.

I arrived, got the account, I have also transferred it within the BKK bank to different branches about 4 times with no hassles.

I did it in 2013 February, and I am an EU passport holder (among 2 others, but use the EU passport here .[/QUOTE]Younare maybe too sensitive. I just ask a simple question like how long ago? You provided the answer now. I had a bit different story but different year different circumstance. That is okay.

I may well be interested to open another account shortly in my name but give card to GF for emergency purposes.

I don't to use our Bangkok Bank joint account anymore (set up in 2005). The reason is the new government is trying to find out which girls get a regular income from abroad and apply a 7% tax to it. They recently asked girls declare Farang boyfriends supporting them LOL. Some girls would find this very embarrassing as have multiple boyfriends in multiple countries sending money.

Obviously I pay sales taxes in Thailand and income tax in other country but do not want an attempted Thai govt. Tax on money transfers. So I have to be careful now it seems.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876394]Yeah, good point. I believe Fidelity also does that, but so far I have opted not to have checking / savings or an ATM / credit card through them, since I am more than eligible with an ' Active Trader Account' and do several hundred trades a year. And, that's because, as an ex Citibanker with a Gold account, I always withdrew in local currency directly out of my Citi checking and / or savings accounts, to get around daily withdrawal ATM limits, where / when applicable. But, just recently, Citi has starting charging a 3 PC fee and so I promptly moved to get rid of my Gold Status just because I was pissed off with that change.

One thing though to bear in mind, is that even though CS or Fidelity may refund ATM transaction fees, for out of network, there is still a mark up through FX spread and top up, whereas with Citi there was none for Gold accounts, with the FX being very close to the published rates, which are usually based on a minimum of 1 MM USD FX trades.[/QUOTE]I have a quick question: I understand that the FX spread (which I assume is the difference between the buy and sell price) will act against us when using a Schwab ATM card, but I'm not sure what you mean by "top up. " Schwab claims it does not levy a foreign currency transaction fee; is the "top up" something else?

Are Mixx and Spicy open on weekdays also? How are clubs in general on weekdays or are they more a weekend type situation? Got 10 day trip coming up and trying to plan domestic travel around this info.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1876486]Are Mixx and Spicy open on weekdays also? How are clubs in general on weekdays or are they more a weekend type situation? Got 10 day trip coming up and trying to plan domestic travel around this info.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Clubs are open on all days. More options on weekends as there are more girls who are not hardcore pros and come on weekends to supplement their income.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1876486]Are Mixx and Spicy open on weekdays also? How are clubs in general on weekdays or are they more a weekend type situation? Got 10 day trip coming up and trying to plan domestic travel around this info.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Mixx.

Climax.

Levels.

Insanity.

Shock 39.

Bossy.

Spasso.

Almost all of these clubs are open on all days and have super hot women on each and every day, its just on the weekends that they are more crowded with some semi pro women.

But if you are handsome then do try RCA man its pure pussy heaven.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876394]
One thing though to bear in mind, is that even though CS or Fidelity may refund ATM transaction fees, for out of network, there is still a mark up through FX spread and top up.[/QUOTE]Every ATM that has the Visa logo on it is in their network (all ATMs that I've been to in Thailand and China have these). Below is where they get the rates from. I've checked and they're always much better than the cash rate. There is no bank fee after refund.

[URL]https://usa.visa.com/support/consumer/travel-support/exchange-rate-calculator.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=LouisTinner;1876441]Where to find the natural huge boobs Thai ladies.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Huge boob Thai ladies are not easy to be found and as far as I know there is not such a thing as "Big Boob a-gogo Club" in Bangkok.

Just walk around in all the usual places (Nana, Soi Cowboy) and see what's available.

In Soi Cowboy many clubs have the girls dance fully naked or at least top-less.

When you see a lady you like call her over and offer her a lady-drink. More likely than not you will then be able to ascertain yourself whether her boobs are real or surgically enhanced.

Also, do some reading on this forum. Now and then someone reports on big boobed ladies. . .

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1876518]Mixx.
Climax.
Levels.
Insanity.
Shock 39.
Bossy.
Spasso.
Almost all of these clubs are open on all days and have super hot women on each and every day, its just on the weekends that they are more crowded with some semi pro women.
But if you are handsome then do try RCA man its pure pussy heaven.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mumbai Guy;1876508]Clubs are open on all days. More options on weekends as there are more girls who are not hardcore pros and come on weekends to supplement their income.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

Great information on all the threads for a first time visitor so thanks in advance for your help and advice. I am arriving on Monday night the 30th at 11:50 pm. First question best place to exchange money at that time or should I just hit an ATM at the airport. Second Question what are my best options on transportation from the airport to my hotel Expedia is asking almost 120 us round trip seems outrageous Ill be staying at the Pullman Bangkok Grand by Soi Cowboy. Not big on public transportation so looking at a taxi how much in baht am I looking at. Third question may be dead on my feet after 24 hours traveling but what recommendations can you make on what bar to hit at Soi Cowboy by 1:30 am on a Tuesday or are they still open or should I go for a freelancer on the street for either st or LT. Tuesday after recovering ill be looking at hitting it around 12:00. What bars do you recommend for a newbie at Nana plaza or Soi Cowboy looks like Baccara would be a must see or Tilac. Looking at getting someone at early afternoon or even going to a BJ or HJ bar depending on talent then food drinks and then hoping to get someone LT for Tuesday Wednesday before my return flight. I don't have a lot of time to shop around not looking to buy 100 lady drinks nor wanting to get overcharged or harassed by a mamasan so bars that are newbie friendly be great.

[QUOTE=LouisTinner;1876441]Where to find the natural huge boobs Thai ladies.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Check out the photo gallery. Some appeared there.

I know where to find huge, but silicone. I assume you mean double Ds minimum. Nice C cups is more realistic around here unless willing to take fat ladies.
I did two sisters from Prajeen Buri, both with big D cups, but that was many years ago. Both old and probably fat by now.

[QUOTE=Cheema;1875886] Day 3.

Tried Dr BJ, I took a consultant for 1000 bahts, she give an OK BBBJ but you have to put condom before cuming so no CIM, was not a good experience.[/QUOTE]When you say, "you have to put a condom before cuming so no CIM", are you saying that was a house rule stated by someone like a mamasan or a manager during the line up or upon entering Dr. BJ's Salon? Or was it just this particular girl's personal rule?

[QUOTE=Striker2;1876673]Great information on all the threads for a first time visitor so thanks in advance for your help and advice. I am arriving on Monday night the 30th at 11:50 pm. First question best place to exchange money at that time or should I just hit an ATM at the airport. Second Question what are my best options on transportation from the airport to my hotel Expedia is asking almost 120 us round trip seems outrageous Ill be staying at the Pullman Bangkok Grand by Soi Cowboy. Not big on public transportation so looking at a taxi how much in baht am I looking at. Third question may be dead on my feet after 24 hours traveling but what recommendations can you make on what bar to hit at Soi Cowboy by 1:30 am on a Tuesday....*sniP*.[/QUOTE]Q1: use an ATM or exchange a small amount (US $100 or less) at the airport. ATMs are generally the easiest.

Q2. One Hundred and Twenty DOLLARS?? From Suvarnabumi to Cowboy? Only if well stocked with booze and babes! If you use a meter taxi, you might be looking at 200 THB + 50 THB airport fee (manadatory) + 75 THB tolls. If you strike a flat fee price with the drive it should be 400 THB, all inclusive. Less than 12 bucks.

Q3: If you are ready for Bangkok, Bangkok is ready for you at 3 am.

Methinks you have not, in fact, read much. Spring for the cost of a subscription.

[QUOTE=Striker2;1876673]Great information on all the threads for a first time visitor so thanks in advance for your help and advice. I am arriving on Monday night the 30th at 11:50 pm. First question best place to exchange money at that time or should I just hit an ATM at the airport.[/QUOTE]You will need some baht to pay for the taxi and first expenses, so you are forced to either exchange some money at the airport (at horribly bad exchange rates) or get some money out of the ATM (at a cost of about 150 baht per use). Then the next day exchange your money at one of the many exchange booths you will find everywhere. "Superrich" ([URL]http://superrichthai.com/[/URL]) usually has good rates and their booths are conveniently located.

[QUOTE=Striker2;1876673]] Second Question what are my best options on transportation from the airport to my hotel Expedia is asking almost 120 us round trip seems outrageous Ill be staying at the Pullman Bangkok Grand by Soi Cowboy. Not big on public transportation so looking at a taxi how much in baht am I looking at.[/QUOTE]For a first timer in Bangkok and arriving late at night, just go to the arrivals level and take a taxi. Get a ticket and it will tell you which taxi to take. Including the aurport surcharge and toll on the highway, it will cost you about 300 baht. But there is no worry when you make sure the taxi is using the meter. Remember, when in Bangkok [B]ALWAYS[/B] insist on using the meter and never take a tuk-tuk. Even the tuk-tuks that drive you round for free wil cost you more than a taxi in the end.

[QUOTE=Striker2;1876673]Third question may be dead on my feet after 24 hours traveling but what recommendations can you make on what bar to hit at Soi Cowboy by 1:30 am on a Tuesday or are they still open or should I go for a freelancer on the street for either st or LT. Tuesday after recovering ill be looking at hitting it around 12:00. What bars do you recommend for a newbie at Nana plaza or Soi Cowboy looks like Baccara would be a must see or Tilac.[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to go to sleep and get fit for the next day. Then next day go to one of the many massage shops at or near Sukhumvit for a good massage to get the kinks out of your muscles and maybe take the "special" option to get the edge off your horniness. Then you are ready to hit Soi Cowboy with a clear head. I'm not a night-hawk so I go to Soi Cowboy around 9 PM, walk in and out some of the clubs to scout out the talent, but then I usually end up in Suzi Wong anyhow to barfine one of the girls there. It is my exerience that whenever I go there after 11 PM the best girls are already taken.

[QUOTE=Striker2;1876673]Looking at getting someone at early afternoon or even going to a BJ or HJ bar depending on talent then food drinks and then hoping to get someone LT for Tuesday Wednesday before my return flight. I don't have a lot of time to shop around not looking to buy 100 lady drinks nor wanting to get overcharged or harassed by a mamasan so bars that are newbie friendly be great.[/QUOTE]I always had good luck in Suzi Wong. The talent is good enough, quite a large selection (young and old, spinners and more curvy ladies, shaved or trimmed pussies, . . .) and they are not harassing you every five minutes for a drink. The girls will sit with you when you buy them a lady-drink and allow quite a lot of touching and feeling already. That should give you some idea about her attitude and whether she is a candidate for LT. In Suzi Wong for about 3500 baht + barfine, you should be able to get someone for LT.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1876921]My suggestion is to go to sleep and get fit for the next day. Then next day go to one of the many massage shops at or near Sukhumvit for a good massage to get the kinks out of your muscles and maybe take the "special" option to get the edge off your horniness. Then you are ready to hit Soi Cowboy with a clear head. I'm not a night-hawk so I go to Soi Cowboy around 9 PM, walk in and out some of the clubs to scout out the talent, but then I usually end up in Suzi Wong anyhow to barfine one of the girls there. It is my exerience that whenever I go there after 11 PM the best girls are already taken.[/QUOTE]All what you pointed out is correct, but not agreeing at this. However you may be right for a local, who has all his time of life to get the perfect excitement at the right moment.

He is a visitor, especially with blue ball's I guess. So it would be an important task to get at least his ball's drained at his very first night in Bangkok.

1. 30 am is indeed really late for Soi Cowboy. Soi Cowboy closes at 2 to 3 am, depends on the bar. And even if the bar still has open, pick's will be slim as most better ladies are taken long ago or has gone to 4 to 5ST already at this particular day. A lot of bar's closes the light's outside at 2 am, can be irritating for first timer's.

I would recommend to hit a very quick shower and change clothes and hit Climax in Soi 11. Open until 5 am or later and pick's should be still OK at 2 am. Entry plus a few beer's can't be wrong, and 1500 to 2000 to get laid. He should be back in hotel within 1 to 2 hour's with his company.

Or as secondary, with less alcohol and party. Hit a massage booth in the alley between Soi 11 and Soi 13.400 for massage and maybe 1000 to 1500 for special. At least he get's released 555. But I would go in any way with option 1 if it's his very first day / night!!

[QUOTE=Striker2;1876673]First question best place to exchange money at that time or should I just hit an ATM at the airport. [/QUOTE]For find a good exchange rate at the Airport you have to walk downstair where there is the ticket office for Airport Rail Link, there is a few exchange booths with a good rate.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1876921]For a first timer in Bangkok and arriving late at night, just go to the arrivals level and take a taxi. Get a ticket and it will tell you which taxi to take. Including the aurport surcharge and toll on the highway, it will cost you about 300 baht. But there is no worry when you make sure the taxi is using the meter. Remember, when in Bangkok [B]ALWAYS[/B] insist on using the meter and never take a tuk-tuk. Even the tuk-tuks that drive you round for free wil cost you more than a taxi in the end.

My suggestion is to go to sleep and get fit for the next day. Then next day go to one of the many massage shops at or near Sukhumvit for a good massage to get the kinks out of your muscles and maybe take the "special" option to get the edge off your horniness. Then you are ready to hit Soi Cowboy with a clear head. I'm not a night-hawk so I go to Soi Cowboy around 9 PM, walk in and out some of the clubs to scout out the talent, but then I usually end up in Suzi Wong anyhow to barfine one of the girls there. It is my exerience that whenever I go there after 11 PM the best girls are already taken.

I always had good luck in Suzi Wong. The talent is good enough, quite a large selection (young and old, spinners and more curvy ladies, shaved or trimmed pussies, . . .) and they are not harassing you every five minutes for a drink. The girls will sit with you when you buy them a lady-drink and allow quite a lot of touching and feeling already. That should give you some idea about her attitude and whether she is a candidate for LT. In Suzi Wong for about 3500 baht + barfine, you should be able to get someone for LT.[/QUOTE]Some additional comments and variances.

When wanting a taxi in Bangkok, ignore taxi drivers that are not in their taxi. They are trouble (for trying to rip you off). Preferably hail a taxi that is moving slowly past you with red indicator they are free. Ignore people that charge at you offering help. 90% have bad intentions. As Wolven says, you are not in position to bargain a taxi price unless you know how much it should cost. Therefore you must use the meter. Make sure a driver has agreed to this and switched on the meter before you leave the airport. If not, you need to get out of taxi. Not sure if these problems still exist at airports or not. I never accept help from anyone on the street, offering it. Too many have ulterior motives. If I don't know them, I won't even talk to them.

I don't really agree with resting on arrival day and start mongering the next day. That is a bit unrealistic for those that have had little sex for the last few weeks. I only rest if I arrive at a bad time, like 6 AM. I would then head to a massage joint mid afternoon. Even if I have arrived at my hotel at midnight, I still manage to find something, since sex has a higher priority than sleep when deprived. Try to sleep on the plane. Take something to assist relax and sleep if necessary, like a drowsy antihistamine, e. G. Sominar (Doxycycline Succinate).

I agree that Soi Cowboy should not be much later than 9 PM, ideally, unless could not get there any earlier, e. G. Just got off the plane.

I don't go to Suzi Wong much anymore. I was too well known by too many staff, and all of them were not shy about requesting drinks. Also the number of slim girls deteriorated. For a newbie unknown, can be better, although expect some girls to hassle you till you make it known you don't want them. If you are an overly polite person and fail to get rid of unwanted girls, this could spell trouble. Same problem at Long Gun recently. Got hassled too much to relax well. However if I am a complete unknown at a bar, this goes a lot better for me, as I have a talent for looking totally disinterested in proceedings, even if that is not the case.

My number one rule. Take your time. You choose a girl carefully, but do not let the girl choose you. If girl chooses you, you will end up with the most aggressive girl, instead of the best polite girl. However be aware that some girls can be popular and multiple customers may go looking for the same girl. This is the exception rather than the rule. Not many girls are that special.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1876982]Some additional comments and variances.

When wanting a taxi in Bangkok, ignore taxi drivers that are not in their taxi. They are trouble (for trying to rip you off). Preferably hail a taxi that is moving slowly past you with red indicator they are free. Ignore people that charge at you offering help. 90% have bad intentions. As Wolven says, you are not in position to bargain a taxi price unless you know how much it should cost. Therefore you must use the meter. Make sure a driver has agreed to this and switched on the meter before you leave the airport. If not, you need to get out of taxi. Not sure if these problems still exist at airports or not. I never accept help from anyone on the street, offering it. Too many have ulterior motives. If I don't know them, I won't even talk to them.

I don't really agree with resting on arrival day and start mongering the next day. That is a bit unrealistic for those that have had little sex for the last few weeks. I only rest if I arrive at a bad time, like 6 AM. I would then head to a massage joint mid afternoon. Even if I have arrived at my hotel at midnight, I still manage to find something, since sex has a higher priority than sleep when deprived. Try to sleep on the plane. Take something to assist relax and sleep if necessary, like a drowsy antihistamine, e. G. Sominar (Doxycycline Succinate).

I agree that Soi Cowboy should not be much later than 9 PM, ideally, unless could not get there any earlier, e. G. Just got off the plane.

I don't go to Suzi Wong much anymore. I was too well known by too many staff, and all of them were not shy about requesting drinks. Also the number of slim girls deteriorated. For a newbie unknown, can be better, although expect some girls to hassle you till you make it known you don't want them. If you are an overly polite person and fail to get rid of unwanted girls, this could spell trouble. Same problem at Long Gun recently. Got hassled too much to relax well. However if I am a complete unknown at a bar, this goes a lot better for me, as I have a talent for looking totally disinterested in proceedings, even if that is not the case.

My number one rule. Take your time. You choose a girl carefully, but do not let the girl choose you. If girl chooses you, you will end up with the most aggressive girl, instead of the best polite girl. However be aware that some girls can be popular and multiple customers may go looking for the same girl. This is the exception rather than the rule. Not many girls are that special.[/QUOTE]Very good advice and I agree on all counts.

[QUOTE=TesterTester;1877013]Very good advice and I agree on all counts.[/QUOTE]Think I have a good plan which includes sleep once I arrive based on the advice. If I had a few days it would be different but ill be on town and able to party Tuesday night. I'll focus all my attention on that. I may have not gone back far enough but I don't recall seeing anything about being able to bring my prescription Viagra into the country. Google some info that gives me the idea it is not permitted is that correct?

[QUOTE=Striker2;1877229]"snip* I may have not gone back far enough but I don't recall seeing anything about being able to bring my prescription Viagra into the country. Google some info that gives me the idea it is not permitted is that correct?[/QUOTE]Any prescription drug is permitted if you bring the prescription with you, but the chances that you will be stopped and checked are about the same as winning the Powerball lottery. (If you tried to bring in a baby elephant or your checked baggage included a gun case, you might attract attention.) You can also buy generic viagra (kamagra?) from most pharmacies, although I never tried buying any at 2 am.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1877283]Any prescription drug is permitted if you bring the prescription with you, but the chances that you will be stopped and checked are about the same as winning the Powerball lottery. (If you tried to bring in a baby elephant or your checked baggage included a gun case, you might attract attention.) You can also buy generic viagra (kamagra?) from most pharmacies, although I never tried buying any at 2 am.[/QUOTE]You are correct that it is extremely unlikely you will be stopped and checked, and you are also correct that drugs like Viagra can legally be brought into Thailand with no problems. However, it is not true that "any prescription drug is permitted if you bring the prescription with you"; there are additional requirements for prescription drugs that include narcotics and / or certain psychotropic drugs. For more information see: [URL]http://www.thaiconsulatesydney.org/Content/attach-file/GuidanceForTravelers.pdf[/URL].

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1877297]You are correct that it is extremely unlikely you will be stopped and checked, and you are also correct that drugs like Viagra can legally be brought into Thailand with no problems. However, it is not true that "any prescription drug is permitted if you bring the prescription with you"; there are additional requirements for prescription drugs that include narcotics and / or certain psychotropic drugs. For more information see: [URL]http://www.thaiconsulatesydney.org/Content/attach-file/GuidanceForTravelers.pdf[/URL].[/QUOTE]I take a variety of vitamins and other supplements each day (some in the morning and some at night) and carry 1 week of supply in purpose-built containers. If I am working overseas for 1 or 2 months I bring the top-up supply in plastic bags to keep the weight down (no bottles etc).

My luggage must show a heap of multi-colored and size pills when it's X-Rayed.

I have never been stopped or quizzed about anything, ever. In the past 3 months I have passed through 6 different countries including 4 times through Bkk and my pill supply has been ignored.

I can only agree with LAG's comment that ". It is extremely unlikely you will be stopped and checked. . . ".

I am thinking about making a quick stop over in Bangkok next month and naturally plan to visit with my lovelies at L* I have been with Anne twice, I think, but this one time, when I was really in the mood for more, she was too shagged out to take me upstairs to the private bedroom. Last time she said she was on the rag so she did not permit me to inspect her private hiding place. Still, she gave me an awesome BBBJ to completion and let me fondle her perky little tits. Can someone please tell me if she has any hair down there? I know that she has a pert little ass but I am fond of natural looking women and all too often have been turned off by the imperfectly shaven, stubbly little beavers I sometimes find down there. Also, does Anne do A+? And, are there any other ladies fellow punters might recommend? I am especially fond of what I call a complete BBBJ CIM, where the lady not only takes me in her mouth but also keeps sucking away until I achieve a second mini orgasm. That's pure bliss in my book. All too often I shoot off in my girl's mouth but then she sort of stops and just holds tight until she gets up and spits it all out in the sink. What a waste. Finally, I am wondering if anyone has an update on Kasalong. Last time the quality of the girls had gone way downhill. My best action has always been at Kasalong. And this place is so much nice than L*. One final question: I have been to Crazy House many times but never done a take out. Just what does a man pay and for what? Can I take her back to my own hotel in Soi 4? Just how good is the service? Many of the girls look hot but how good are they in the sack?

[QUOTE=Striker2;1877229]I may have not gone back far enough but I don't recall seeing anything about being able to bring my prescription Viagra into the country. Google some info that gives me the idea it is not permitted is that correct?[/QUOTE]Vitamin "V" is not on the restricted or banned list. No problem to bring it with you.

But any pharmacy in or near Sukhumvit Road will sell you the Thai generic version (called "Sidegra") at bargain basement prices (at least compared to the price of V in your home country, unless your health insurance provides it for free).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1877372]Vitamin "V" is not on the restricted or banned list. No problem to bring it with you.

But any pharmacy in or near Sukhumvit Road will sell you the Thai generic version (called "Sidegra") at bargain basement prices (at least compared to the price of V in your home country, unless your health insurance provides it for free).[/QUOTE]I always carry my prescription meds in their original pill bottles but I only carry what I will need during my trips plus an extra 2-3 day supply of each med. I always bring Viagra with me and take it every other day during my trip. The only down side to this is the bottles use valuable space in my luggage. The good news is my name and Dr. name is on the pill bottle and I am only bringing what I need. Less chance of being accused of selling this stuff.

I would like to try Sidegra. Is the Sidegra we see in pharmacies actually Sidegra? I always fear I will buy something harmful that is a fake instead of the real deal.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1877301]I take a variety of vitamins and other supplements each day (some in the morning and some at night) and carry 1 week of supply in purpose-built containers. If I am working overseas for 1 or 2 months I bring the top-up supply in plastic bags to keep the weight down (no bottles etc).

My luggage must show a heap of multi-colored and size pills when it's X-Rayed.

I have never been stopped or quizzed about anything, ever. In the past 3 months I have passed through 6 different countries including 4 times through Bkk and my pill supply has been ignored.

I can only agree with LAG's comment that ". It is extremely unlikely you will be stopped and checked. . . ".[/QUOTE]I was once in a taxi and stopped by a policeman while turning left out of Ratchdaphisek road into Sukhumvit heading towards Nana. He wanted to search my pockets, wallet, etc. Presumably for drugs. He found I had approx. One third of a tablet of something that was a generic copy in my wallet, and confiscated it, saying that this stuff was not legal. He seemed to believe he knew for sure what it was.

So why don't they go inspect the Pharmacies that sell it? LOL I just stopped off at a Pharmacy and bought some more shortly afterwards. LOL.

That is only time anyone has checked. My pills have never been checked at Western airports.

I find 2nd pharmacy heading from Soi 4 towards Soi 2 of Sukhumvit has a good range, trustworthy, and reasonably priced. They do continuous heavy sales. They never do anything could spoil their reputation. They will sell you genuine or generic at very different prices of course, and don't seel anything that they believe is fake in terms of not containing the real ingredient, or shit quality.

I also travel with lots of vitamins, like Glucosamine for joint problem, Magnesium against cramps, etc. , and sometimes moved into much smaller containers than the original. No problems with that.

Taking generics into certain countries may not be legal and could risk a fine. However I have never been checked for it. I even got away with being over cigarette limit a few times. I don't actually smoke, but a college wanted the cigarettes cheap. I do ensure that everything is opened up sufficiently as to not appear to be stuff to sell on to another person.

When luggage is xrayed, they mainly look for bombs, lighters carrying fuel, etc. Even my sizeable portable Lithium Ion battery was not removed from my suitcase. Pills is unlikely to interest them when xrayed at outward bound airport. I hardly ever get bag xrayed when inward bound, but has happened occasionally. No issues.

[QUOTE=Allover;1877386] I always bring Viagra with me and take it every other day during my trip. The only down side to this is the bottles use valuable space in my luggage.

I would like to try Sidegra. Is the Sidegra we see in pharmacies actually Sidegra? I always fear I will buy something harmful that is a fake instead of the real deal.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Sidegra is the brand name so it is by definition. Ingredient is Sildenafil I believe. Sidegra is a generic copy of Viagra. It's unlikely that there would be a fake copy of the copy, pretending to be Sidegra, but faintly possible. As Sidegra is very cheap, there would not be huge profit in it, I guess. Fake copies, that do not work, are more likely for expensive stuff, I assume, since repeat business would not happen if stuff is crap.

Just try it. If it works, and it will, you will be happy with the savings.

You take every other day? That is strange too. Does it mean you only monger every other day, since Viagra has a half life of about 4 hours? Tadalafil (Generic brand Apcalis) is supposed to have a half life of over a day I believe, but I don't use it since, it has no noticeable effect for me. Seems like taking a placebo to me, but others say it works very well for them.

I don't use any vitamins when fucking the girlfriend. She doesn't want me to have endless stamina. LOL No marathon sex for her. I think barebacking also helps a lot to maintain an erection, but its also partly the way the pussy feels, the way the girl moves, and her attitude, and lastly how long since your last fuck. Hot girls are like Viagra for turning a guy on, I find. Vitamin help is useful for girls that don't make fucking them as easy as possible, I. E. If they have stiff legs or are scared of dick, or when last fuck was only a short time ago. I tend to take for new girls when I don't know them, just in case of difficulties with them.

Most massage shop girls are disapproving of vitamin assist since they don't like guys to be able to fuck for very extended time. It tires them out obviously. Girls that know me would notice a difference as well if my dick was hard like a rock, when it normally is 90% hard but a bit bendable. So I try not to use, or take a small does boost, if last fuck was recently.

Does Vitamin V actually, desensitize the dick? I am not sure, but some suggest it makes cumming more difficult, which is bad for me. I can be difficult to cum normally even with no alcohol in me.

For guys that cum too quick, I think alcohol can help desensitize them a little, and Vitamin V can help maintain the cock to get more shots in. I would love to have such a sensitive dick just for a change. I think being circumsized is part of reason for less sensitive.

Don't know exactly, why I stopped using several of Bangkok finest opportunities. Maybe having a close girlfriend did it. But I still have her and I said to myself, damn boy, you should go out more!

So I did. Ventured into Som's Heaven since very long time.

Sweating like hell I entered the bar, searching for a cool beer and the A/C. A slim girl with blondish hair entered the bar with me. In the first moment I wasn't really attracted, but second view showed a nice figure and the face was pretty.

Very small, not more as 38 kg maybe. I imagined those little lips around my dick. Well, I took her up.

I found out, that she is death mute. Wondered for a moment how I give her directions? Well, I moved that problem to later, and I found out it wasn't an issue.

After leading me upstairs in the booth, unstrapping, she washed me down gentle. Relaxing at a towel over the sofa she soon started her main work. Soft, wet and later quiet deep! Perfect. Indeed Heaven.

Surprisingly she unzipped top and bra before main work, without that I had mentioned it. So I could grab her little A cup tits quiet well. Seen from the tits she had already a baby, but they still was in a good shape to grab.

While she went deeper and deeper I grabbed her at the ass a bit. She stood up and took out panties without a comment. Hmm, that's customer service! Guess everything is on with her.

I do tend to grab their head gentle and give slight directions. Without a really hard grip, so the girls can bail out at any moment. So I did with her. She managed to go down almost full length, just missing an half inch maybe. It produced at her side a few choking and sounds, but she never bailed out.

Damn, next time I should take 2 beers up. Mine is already empty and I glared disappointed at the bottle.

After about 20 to 25 minutes I finally released in her little pretty mouth. She gently licked and sucked further for a minute. Again perfect. Not a runner who spits it out as fast she can!

Usual cleanup routine followed and I payed downstairs. Found out with the cashier she is called Nok. Gave her a nice tip and left happily with the strict idea to come back.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1877398] Even my sizeable portable Lithium Ion battery was not removed from my suitcase.[/QUOTE]That is not something I would be proud of, assuming you are referring to checked (as opposed to carry on) luggage. Putting lithium ion batteries in checked luggage is prohibited because it is dangerous.

[QUOTE=KhaoLao;1877417]So I did. Ventured into Som's Heaven since very long time.
[/QUOTE]Som's Haven (although actually it is pretty close to heaven) is my 2nd favorite BJ place after SOL. If Som is around she will always cheerfully ask you what you like and recommend someone.

The rooms are good enough with the mirrors adding a nice dimension.

If you're minded to fuck the girls in there, majority do.

I actually can always find either a super service provider or someone I would choose to do. Usually both!

As I normally stay east of Asok, this is also the closest BJ bar.

Way better than the lo-lo or Doctor experience in my opinion.

Give it a go if you're in the area. I've found emptying balls before Cowboy (basically diagonally across the intersection) is sometimes a sound ploy.

I find girls in UK very open minded about sex, some like anything done to them (like light BDMS or even allow me to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on them). Is this something that could be done with bar girls in Thailand and how? I mean the language barrier and music is probably loud. Should ask about this upfront?

How about taking two of them and commanding what I want them to do to each other? I sometimes like to spice things up. Hopefully nobody gets offended by this.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1877732]I find girls in UK very open minded about sex, some like anything done to them (like light BDMS or even allow me to CodeWord140 on them). Is this something that could be done with bar girls in Thailand and how? I mean the language barrier and music is probably loud. Should ask about this upfront?

How about taking two of them and commanding what I want them to do to each other? I sometimes like to spice things up. Hopefully nobody gets offended by this.[/QUOTE]Although sex is easy to find in Thailand, most of the girls are rather conservative as to sexual services they like to provide. Straight sex is ubiquitous, oral sex (both active and passive) is sometimes already a problem, mainly for girls that are starters in the business and / or did not have much contact with western mongers. A+ ladies are rarer still.

"[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url]" are unlikely to find much general accceptance and not only because Thai are very clean people. I doubt if they even see it as a sexual thing.

BDSM is really outside of their experience.

Three-somes are available (Eden Club even makes it their speciality), but most three-somes are more of a sequential nature. While you do one girl the other will watch the TV or be on her smart-phone. Your best shot at getting a *real* threesome with some girl-girl interaction is to ask the mamasan in the shop if she knows girls that are comfortable enough with each other to do that. Just picking up two random girls and expecting them to follow your instructions is unlikely to work.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1877407]Ha ha. Sidegra is the brand name so it is by definition. Ingredient is Sildenafil I believe. Sidegra is a generic copy of Viagra. It's unlikely that there would be a fake copy of the copy, pretending to be Sidegra, but faintly possible. As Sidegra is very cheap, there would not be huge profit in it, I guess. Fake copies, that do not work, are more likely for expensive stuff, I assume, since repeat business would not happen if stuff is crap.

Just try it. If it works, and it will, you will be happy with the savings.

You take every other day? That is strange too. Does it mean you only monger every other day, since Viagra has a half life of about 4 hours? Tadalafil (Generic brand Apcalis) is supposed to have a half life of over a day I believe, but I don't use it since, it has no noticeable effect for me. Seems like taking a placebo to me, but others say it works very well for them.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info Syz. Makes sense that Sidegra sold in pharmacies is real Sidegra since there is not a financial incentive to sell fake Sidegra. I monger almost every day but take a day off here and there since I am in my 60's. I prefer not to take Viagra every day and can usually get an erection without it. I am curious about the viagra dosage my fellow mongers take. I always take 100 MG even though my Doctor suggested I take 50 MG.

What dosage of viagra do you folks take, 50 or 100 MG? Is it safe to take 100 MG every day for two weeks?

[QUOTE=Goatboy55;1877678]Som's Haven (although actually it is pretty close to heaven) is my 2nd favorite BJ place after SOL.[/QUOTE]Can you please develop what you call 'SOL'? I can't get what it is.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1877915]Can you please develop what you call 'SOL'? I can't get what it is.[/QUOTE]Star OF Lights. BJ Bar in Patpong.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1877856]BDSM is really outside of their experience. Just picking up two random girls and expecting them to follow your instructions is unlikely to work.[/QUOTE]Ok thanks, it's kinda what I thought too. I guess if I am lucky and pick up one of more modernized girls but will be expecting standard sex. Stupid 50 shades book has to be translated into every language and given for free to every girl. Girls love this stuff and most men don't so they are struggling (at least in the West).

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1877732]Is this something that could be done with bar girls in Thailand and how? I mean the language barrier and music is probably loud. Should ask about this upfront?

How about taking two of them and commanding what I want them to do to each other? I sometimes like to spice things up. Hopefully nobody gets offended by this.[/QUOTE]Maybe having your desires translated into Thai and printed out on a piece of paper for them to read? In any case I think you will have a hard time finding what you are looking for. There was a ISG thread on this issue a couple of weeks ago.

SL.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1877732]I find girls in UK very open minded about sex, I sometimes like to spice things up. Hopefully nobody gets offended by this.[/QUOTE]It's unlikely you'll find this in the mainstream bars. There are a couple of BDSM places (Barbar in Patpong and Demonia on (I think) Soi 33 - but as not my scene never been in. Not entirely sure if they are even still going!

I'd suggest you might have better luck for this fetish in the Phils, where the greater English skills means your want and needs can be more easily conveyed. Probably more on the on-line pick-up route rather than with the bar girls though.

Several months ago I took a girl out of one my favorite haunts in Bangkok. She turned out to be the worst experience of the past winter months. Fortunately, its been quite a good winter and spring so I put this one aside to the law of averages.

I wrote a report about it at the time. Problems started at my apartment when she asked to be paid up front. I never pay in advance and told her I was not making an exception in her case. I basically offerred her taxi fare and a swift goodbye. However, she quickly changed her tune, undressed, and climbed into bed for some quite ordinary and unspirited sex, the mood ruined I suspect by her overall demands Then she started to dress and I said wait a minute, this was supposed to be LT. To make a long story short, she undressed again and got in bed but was a total pain in the ass for the rest of the evening. I was going to just kick her out but (out of spite) insisted she stay until dawn when I gave her the boot, paying her at that time.

So a few nights ago, I am in the same place we initially met. She is there also and makes a beeline over to me. Within a few seconds, she wants to know if I want to go with her! Naturally, I told her no wondering if she even remembers me and the night in question or has mixed me up with someone else.

Well, she does remember the night and this time she promises to show me a better time and for full LT too. Whereupon, she starts giving me a shoulder massage, doing the GFE, and nuzzling me etc. Well, you know what Abe Lincoln once said -- 'fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me'. So I turned around to her and said, there are plenty of guys inside the bar and I am sure you can find one. With that comment, I walked off. Though, have to say, I was a bit bemused about the cheek of this girl.

Later in the evening, I met a pretty nice girl and she went with me LT. But she had seen me talking to this girl and wanted to know if we were friends 'Not exactly', I said.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1877958]So a few nights ago, I am in the same place we initially met. She is there also and makes a beeline over to me. Within a few seconds, she wants to know if I want to go with her! Naturally, I told her no wondering if she even remembers me and the night in question or has mixed me up with someone else.
[/QUOTE]I don't find this so unusual. Some girls amazingly can remember how nice you were to them, but forget how awful they were and that the sex went very badly. I have had more than one disaster girl approach me again, still remembering last time. One was a Farang girl. She said she enjoyed very much my DATY while she smoked. The problem was she was a lousy fuck with stiff legs.

At Crazy House, a pretty nurse (part time hooker), Taeng Mo approached me for repeat, however she was likewise a very stiff timid fuck.

I think its easy for girls to forget how bad they are, since they do not have our viewpoint.

If you hire girl for a long time and say you want her to leave before morning is it rude to ask her to go? I have reasons why I don't want to sleep the entire night with a girl if it is avoidable.

I agree with you, though in this instance, it appeared to me that she remembered how awful she was since she went on about doing proper LT. I did not get into the whole gist of our convo but she seemed to suggest making amends if I took her home. Though from my perspective, I thought that there was a 50% possibility of getting played (again).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1877985]I don't find this so unusual. Some girls amazingly can remember how nice you were to them, but forget how awful they were and that the sex went very badly. I have had more than one disaster girl approach me again, still remembering last time. One was a Farang girl. She said she enjoyed very much my DATY while she smoked. The problem was she was a lousy fuck with stiff legs.

At Crazy House, a pretty nurse (part time hooker), Taeng Mo approached me for repeat, however she was likewise a very stiff timid fuck.

I think its easy for girls to forget how bad they are, since they do not have our viewpoint.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1878004]If you hire girl for a long time and say you want her to leave before morning is it rude to ask her to go? I have reasons why I don't want to sleep the entire night with a girl if it is avoidable.[/QUOTE]Nope. You are the customer. Most ladies will not mind being released early. If it is between the hours when the BTS / MRT mass transit systems are not working it would be a nice touch to give them a few hundred baht for taxi money.

SL.

It's not rude. Don't forget. You are the client. But if you don't usually feel comfortable with LT, just say ST and suggest LT if things proceed well. Pretty common strategy here with BM'S.

Of course, they will expect to be paid for LT if that was agreed to upfront, especially if they have been there for a while.
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1878004]If you hire girl for a long time and say you want her to leave before morning is it rude to ask her to go? I have reasons why I don't want to sleep the entire night with a girl if it is avoidable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1878004]If you hire girl for a long time and say you want her to leave before morning is it rude to ask her to go? I have reasons why I don't want to sleep the entire night with a girl if it is avoidable.[/QUOTE]I think girls are happy enough to leave early if you have paid for the full LT. Tip her 100 Baht for the taxi.

It is a good idea to mention how many hours and how many times you hope to fuck her in that period, in advance, so there are no big misunderstandings. Many girls don't like to do long time, if they have appointments during the day, and they don't know if they will get any sleep.

Normally girls may not expect to fuck more than two times in a LT booking, I don't know since I hardly take LT any more. I do have a girl now, that I would like to take LT, but am not sure if she would like it. I am a noisy sleeper (not snoring but occasional groans).

So telling the girl you want 4 hours only (or whatever the amount desired), might suit her perfectly.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878006]I agree with you, though in this instance, it appeared to me that she remembered how awful she was since she went on about doing proper LT. I did not get into the whole gist of our convo but she seemed to suggest making amends if I took her home. Though from my perspective, I thought that there was a 50% possibility of getting played (again).[/QUOTE]Yes I see the difference, however women can underestimate just how annoying they can be.

I think you are right to not make the same mistake again.

Do girls ever improve? Rarely but does happen. I took a very beautiful girl who was sober, from the bar. On the bed she did not do more than very light kissing and was pretty lack lustre (but not annoying), just weak session.

Another day in the bar, she seems to be wondering why I am not showing interest, like I had admitted she was gorgeous, and buying her a drink. I was not thinking of trying her again. Eventually I did buy her some tequilas, due to her looks. She seemed to be reacting to me much differently, less shy. In the end I did BF her again, and had a very enthusiastic fuck from her including DFK. She had changed completely, assisted by the alcohol, I feel sure. Perhaps the chemistry was working the 2nd time. If she wasn't stunning, the 2nd time would never have happened.

Suddenly I intended to see her regularly, May-Lee. Unfortunately, next trip, she was gone, apparently to have a baby (not mine). For every one story like this, I am sure there are ten where the girl was tried a second time, did not improve, or was even worse. It is a big gamble to try a weak girl again. An annoying girl, I don't think so. If girls change from being a shy newbie, to a more experienced girl, there could be big improvement.

[QUOTE=Allover;1877893]What dosage of viagra do you folks take, 50 or 100 MG? Is it safe to take 100 MG every day for two weeks?[/QUOTE]What's safe depends on your underlying medical conditions. If you're of advancing age and / or have heart trouble (e. G. Low blood pressure, or using nitroglycerine, or angina), be very careful and consult a doctor about dosage.

In my 40's, I find that 25 MG (half of a 50 MG pill) works just well enough.

Viagra has a fairly short half-life (about 4 h), and I don't think it has long-term effects, so I assume using it every is not too risky, but again, all depends on your general state. Quite a few times, I got into an uncomfortable state where medication allows me to continue fucking, but I'm not actually into it and would prefer it to finish, which is physically difficult.

Do note that while Viagra makes your physical erection stronger (and far less likely to subside once you get going), it is not an aphrodisiac, it won't make you horny and is of limited use if you initially aren't turned on or sufficiently stimulated. In addition, it won't actually improve your enjoyment of the act (apart from reducing anxiety), just physical performance.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1878164]

Do note that while Viagra makes your physical erection stronger (and far less likely to subside once you get going), it is not an aphrodisiac, it won't make you horny and is of limited use if you initially aren't turned on or sufficiently stimulated.[/QUOTE]Right. Viagra / Cialis does nothing for your libido (sexual desire). Stimulating my libido is the girl's job. Towards the end of my 2 month trip there were many nights when I started out not caring if I got laid or not, but then I would meet a sexy girl and Yada, Yada, Yada, I am in love again and glad I took that pill.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1878177]Right. Viagra / Cialis does nothing for your libido (sexual desire). Stimulating my libido is the girl's job. Towards the end of my 2 month trip there were many nights when I started out not caring if I got laid or not, but then I would meet a sexy girl and Yada, Yada, Yada, I am in love again and glad I took that pill.[/QUOTE]Of course, it is the working principle of these stuffs: your brain must deliver signals to your penis and only then do your vessels react. Indeed Cialis is much longer-lasting than Viagra (I am pharmacologist).

Hi Alex,

I know that you are a GURU for Dubai and of course, want to be there some time to enjoy with your leads. Although I am not expert but have some good experiences in Bangkok since I have been mongering in this City for last 20 Yrs. The place I refer is the same I go for last 10 yrs which is neither the club or a gogo. It's a coffee shop basically but a drink joint at night. Please visit "Thermae" Cafe Underground of Rumchaet Plaza Hotel, Soi 15 which is on the main road. You need to visit after 9 PM and bunch of girls are seen lined up around the room which you can observe one by one. With your experience, I am sure you can pick the youngest and cutest one out there. Many of them are students, office workers and Mall assistants who come to make some side income. In this place, I have hunted many students, office girls, beauticians, IT professionals including one Sports Girl, a nurse and an 18 yr old school girl, lovely one of her dad and mom. Try it and you will know the difference. One thing to keep in mind: Many Girls look for Japanese only since they are not regular and fear large cocks. So, you should pretend to be simple and polite to show that you are not very rough. Once you get into the room, who cares, how big you have and small their pussy is, just dig and pump as much!

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1859893]BKK it is:

Working hard has its syndromes and I was fed up of Dubai. Work took me to HK: SQ and we had to wrap up our 8 year old operations in Philippines which was a very sad and disturbing day of my life. I am a very simple honest guy so unexpected losses by people who are cheat are always a set back to me as I tend to make an emotional connection with all our employees and partners in different parts of the world. Back to SQ and with a heavy heart I took a break to LOS I usually don't take an off but it was a big loss with a a lot of time and emotions were involved, rather than the money we lost a lot of face value and in our business its just face value which is most important. Landed in BKK at about 5 pm local time after finishing the work in SG and the moment I land in this city I have fond memories its been at least 2 years I haven't come here for mongering but today was the time. Check-in in to my usual suite in the Davis one of the best rooms I have stayed in my entire life, entering the room is like eternity have an instant flashback of the crazy things I have done here when I was a party animal and used to frequent BKK for work every fortnight.

Its a room which has all the tendencies of a porn movie there is jacuzzi right in the living room all women who I have brought here are crazy and want to come back again and again...[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

I will be landing BKK at 11:45 pm Sunday so instead of heading directly Pattaya. Planning to checking in some hotel near Sukhmvit area and head directly to climax / mixx / shock39 for pickup. What do you think will be best pickup for me for LT t his late around 2-2:30 am.

I haven't finalized the hotel but I need to checking first to leave my luggage.

Any other alternative, please advice.

Next day I will travel to my destination PT.

I have been living in Bangkok near Asok and Nana for the past winter and the winter of 2015. Basically, I usually go to the clubs and bars in this area but decided to try some other places a bit further afield for at least the novelty of hanging out in new places.

One place that appears to get high reviews is Ku de TA, which are a complex of clubs located in a high rise building near Sathorn and the W hotel.

As chance would have it, I was at one of my local clubs off Suk when a couple of real classy looking girls sat next to me. One girl initiated a conversation with me. Really striking looking girl wearing a classy cocktail dress, great figure and gorgeous all the way around. Also, I assumed she would be too expensive for me. She immediately owned up to being a working girl and you have to love how unabashed these girls are about their profession. She also added that Thursday night is free flow Champagne night at KuDeTa and she and her girl friends would be going. One thing I enjoyed about this girl was the frank discussion we were having about prices relative to location, tourist on vacation compare to local ex-pats etc. Her English was excellent and she even understood when I said to her 'the skies the limit' -- relative to what she could ask in certain venues.

She seemed interested in me but before she could say anything more direct, I made a joke and said she looked too expensive for me. I can only imagine what she might ask in Ku De TA. However, she knew the general price girls ask in the club where we were having our convo (3 k), though I said that this was just their opening price and I rarely pay more than 2 k bt. She appeared to be a bit disappointed to hear my (bargaining) comments in this regard possible labeling me as a cheap Charlie. Nevertheless, our price discussion aside, we did exchange numbers and she texted me before she left the club for Climax. I really hate that place and she was with a wedding party so I did not want to invite myself along.

So my question is: has anyone spent anytime at KuDeTa? And, is so, what is your experience? I know that it's upscale and the girls prob quote outrageous rates but curious as to the overall ambience there. Since I would be going solo, it's nice that I would know this girl but it's unlikely I would be paying 4 or 5k baht for a ST encounter here.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1878164]Do note that while Viagra makes your physical erection stronger (and far less likely to subside once you get going), it is not an aphrodisiac, it won't make you horny and is of limited use if you initially aren't turned on or sufficiently stimulated. In addition, it won't actually improve your enjoyment of the act (apart from reducing anxiety), just physical performance.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I would note that if your body is not used to Viagra, it can cause you to get an erection very easily indeed. First time I ever tried it, I was driving a car to go see my regular Gik. Just thinking about her caused an immediate erection, even though driving the car was my main task. So imagine you are traveling on the BTS to go to some MP. Just thinking about the girl, could stimulate a big hard on very quickly, if you are dosed up.

Viagra is very strong, so don't take a full 100 MG dose, till you see how you body reacts. It may blow your head off. LOL A quarter of a tablet is a good way to start, I think. Even that can have very strong results for those not used to it. I have never liked the Jelly type versions. Too messy when not using an entire pack (it's too strong).

I think medication is useful when trying a new girl, potentially difficult (who knows), or when fucking rather too much, not necessarily for every session. However these days even the 80 year olds can fuck a lot, assuming no heart attack. I hope to still get some when I reach 80.

I like to take about one half of a 100 MG but the reason I take it is that it has enabled me to last significantly longer with my partner, not so much for the erection. As I have gotten older, premature ejac has become a problem for me especially if the girl really turns me on. More often than not, since I am in charge of the selection process, 555, this is the case. And there are some incredibly hot and young girls here.

But the other interesting thing is since I stay more or less erect after ejaculation, I can still keep going. This winter I actually had several instances where I had numerous intense ejacs over several hours. This was a new experience for me, esp since I am 67. For example, with one willing, young, and very compliant partner, I had 4 ejacs over a 12 hour period.

And I know, V is not intended to work in this way in terms of providing more ejaculatatory ability but at least for me it has worked out this way. Maybe just keeping an erection allows the built up semen somewhere to go?

Ironically, I read some guys complain about the delay in coming and consider this a negative feature of V. I presume they are younger guys.

One side effect, rarely mentioned by others, is I can develop a terrible case of hiccups, which can last intermittently for a few days. Lately, I have been trying to mitigate this effect by taking the pill on a full stomach and it seems to be offsetting this problem. Fortunately, I don't experience headaches or vision problems so I guess YMMV.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1878357]Ha ha. I would note that if your body is not used to Viagra, it can cause you to get an erection very easily indeed. First time I ever tried it, I was driving a car to go see my regular Gik. Just thinking about her caused an immediate erection, even though driving the car was my main task. So imagine you are traveling on the BTS to go to some MP. Just thinking about the girl, could stimulate a big hard on very quickly, if you are dosed up.

Viagra is very strong, so don't take a full 100 MG dose, till you see how you body reacts. It may blow your head off. LOL A quarter of a tablet is a good way to start, I think. Even that can have very strong results for those not used to it. I have never liked the Jelly type versions. Too messy when not using an entire pack (it's too strong).

I think medication is useful when trying a new girl, potentially difficult (who knows), or when fucking rather too much, not necessarily for every session. However these days even the 80 year olds can fuck a lot, assuming no heart attack. I hope to still get some when I reach 80.[/QUOTE]

Usually I never have token a girl from Insanity. This place is for me just for partying alone or coming in already with company.

Last time run into the same girl I have danced twice before. 25, student and works part time in a flower shop. Fine slim body, cute face.

I was walking around just with a bottle of beer, like always when I'm alone. But when setting up with her at a table I shilled out my old coupon and she was more as eager to help me with my half bottle Jack Daniels.

Her close dancing got me to her goal. She has asked me twice in earlier occasions if I want to take her out, I always declined. This time she succeeded.

Seems she was pleased with my condo on a high floor and we never made it to the bedroom. I have a cheap reserve mattress which I use in the living room for laying around at the floor.

After 2 beers and a lot of fondling I pushed her into the bathroom, which I used with her together. 1 more beer followed while couching on the sofa and building up tension. The TV was running youtube with a lengthy Tomorrowland clip. While music running she blew my nicely and truly like a pro, trying to go to full length.

I licked her good up until we rushed down to the floor. Cover up and into it. Happy bouncing away.

Had some KY in reach, not really needed. But its better to avoid troubles. She was wet enough, but applied some at her, including the ass. She didn't minded so I went for her second hole. Hmm, 25 and student and seems to have quiet a bit experience. Time seems to change here in Thailand. I'm used to, that it's very difficult to find some open minded girls.

We spend probably about 3 hours together. The 3 k I gave her made her surprising and happy, she even forgot to ask for taxi money haha.

Got her number and line. To bad she keeps texting me. Had to deactivate the notification settings in Line app, otherwise my GF would get suspicious.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1878357]<SNIP>

Viagra is very strong, so don't take a full 100 MG dose, till you see how you body reacts. It may blow your head off. LOL A quarter of a tablet is a good way to start, I think. Even that can have very strong results for those not used to it. [/QUOTE]This discussion should be in the special thread for Viagra.

Check out this article that I posted there. It is a well-written article, especially about how to spot fakes, and warnings about taking too much and overloading your kidneys.

https://theconversation.com/weekly-dose-the-hard-facts-on-viagra-58289 (sorry the link needs to be pasted into your browser)

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878006]I agree with you, though in this instance, it appeared to me that she remembered how awful she was since she went on about doing proper LT. I did not get into the whole gist of our convo but she seemed to suggest making amends if I took her home. Though from my perspective, I thought that there was a 50% possibility of getting played (again).[/QUOTE]I fell for this ploy a few times earlier, but almost never take a dud girl a second time anymore. It usually turns out to be as big a waste of time, emotion and money the second time as it was the first. I think the ONLY occasions where that second time has turned out to be worth it was when I have gone down the list of acts and behaviors I would expect from her the second time around and assured her that if she did not perform or comply I would not pay her anything at all, is she ok with that? If she doesn't say she is ok with my not paying her so much as a single baht unless she does as I described, I do not entertain repeating with her for even one more minute.

If she cannot agree to that, she is definitely planning to play me again and we now both know it. Drop the idea of it from your mind immediately and turn your attentions elsewhere. Promises to be "better" than the first time without gory details and specifics along with her agreement to perform or no pay is expected are utterly worthless, IMO. I have had a few second times around under those circumstances and the satisfactions, both sexually and emotionally, are quite all right.

Hello brothers of Bangkok,

I am visiting Bangkok for the first time and am staying near Sukhumvit road. I have head and read a lot about Go go clubs and bars & pick up joints etc.

I am planning to visit some of them to taste some Thai girls. Can you suggest any places that are safe and do not have law issues. Also what are normal rates for a ST?

Are their short term rooms available and what are the charges for that? Do girls normally charge along with rooms or is that to be paid separately? I can speak only English. I hope that will not turn out to be a handicap.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1878423]This discussion should be in the special thread for Viagra.

Check out this article that I posted there. It is a well-written article, especially about how to spot fakes, and warnings about taking too much and overloading your kidneys.

https://theconversation.com/weekly-dose-the-hard-facts-on-viagra-58289 (sorry the link needs to be pasted into your browser)[/QUOTE]Here's the link.

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;1878428]I details and specifics along with her agreement to perform or no pay is expected are utterly worthless, IMO.[/QUOTE]Yes, when you consider all the new fresh options available why bother with a possible bad repeat. On this subject, I have also become less interested in taking out girls I had a good to great experience on the first go around. Invariably it appears that many girls get lazier and I am less inclined to agree to second dates.

As to my subject line, last night I was at a dance club but only to hang out and have a beer and listen to music. This is no so easy to do in Bangkok as many FL's either lack the inner radar to tell when to leave a guy be or just are desperate for a customer and plow straight ahead regardless of whether they think you are interested in them or not.

I gradually felt myself being subtly surrounded by a few sharks smelling blood on the water or in this scenario a single older guy sitting in a corner nursing a Singha. One reason for drinking slowly was I had only a few hundred baht in my pocket as I forgot to hit the ATM.

One older dame had crept up stealth like behind me on a railing, no doubt trying to figure out how to get my attention. While engaged in a diversionary maneuver with her, another girl came up and just started dancing with me finally pulling me to the dance floor despite my protestations that I was not available tonight. Actually, in all probability I was available, just not for her.

Overall, she was not bad but still I am not really interested when they pick you. Sort of like hailing a cab. I prefer making the choice. After several dances, I was ready to leave solo and decided to extricate myself politely out of this situation by offering to buy her a beer with the limited funds I had available. Figuring I could also save face for this lassie before departing and be a good guy.

However, she also had a nearby friend who had been alternating between ogling me and encouraging me with various facial tics about how hot her friend was. It was at this point that the girl I was dancing with also insisted I buy her friend a beer too. When I declined (no $$ plus I did not want to buy two beers for two girls on my way out the door), she appeared irritated. Her friend picked up on my lack of interest in buying her a beer but also noticed I was making a hasty exit so she said that's OK I don't want one. Too late though because by now I was already exiting stage left. Now, this girl probably really lost face and I am the bad guy.

In my defense, I have bought girls' beers for their friends
before here on several occasions but it's nice to be the one making the offer, not the other way around.

[QUOTE=TravelTop;1878208]Hi Alex,

I know that you are a GURU for Dubai and of course, want to be there some time to enjoy with your leads. Although I am not expert but have some good experiences in Bangkok since I have been mongering in this City for last 20 Yrs. The place I refer is the same I go for last 10 yrs which is neither the club or a gogo. It's a coffee shop basically but a drink joint at night. Please visit "Thermae" Cafe Underground of Rumchaet Plaza Hotel, Soi 15 which is on the main road. You need to visit after 9 PM and bunch of girls are seen lined up around the room which you can observe one by one. With your experience, I am sure you can pick the youngest and cutest one out there. Many of them are students, office workers and Mall assistants who come to make some side income. In this place, I have hunted many students, office girls, beauticians, IT professionals including one Sports Girl, a nurse and an 18 yr old school girl, lovely one of her dad and mom. Try it and you will know the difference. One thing to keep in mind: Many Girls look for Japanese only since they are not regular and fear large cocks. So, you should pretend to be simple and polite to show that you are not very rough. Once you get into the room, who cares, how big you have and small their pussy is, just dig and pump as much![/QUOTE]Thanks TT, this time will definitely go for the hunt in Thermae. Last time was Oskar, Spasso and Ce La Vie (Ku de Ta) . This time thermae and I am also looking for some other classy or high end places where the BKK elites 25-40 go for party or bar or something like that. Very classy very expensive place super spicy chicks?

Find it for me mate and I will be highly thankful to you.

Cheers,

Alex

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878334]I have been living in Bangkok near Asok and Nana for the past winter and the winter of 2015. Basically, I usually go to the clubs and bars in this area but decided to try some other places a bit further afield for at least the novelty of hanging out in new places.

One place that appears to get high reviews is Ku de TA, which are a complex of clubs located in a high rise building near Sathorn and the W hotel.

As chance would have it, I was at one of my local clubs off Suk when a couple of real classy looking girls sat next to me. One girl initiated a conversation with me. Really striking looking girl wearing a classy cocktail dress, great figure and gorgeous all the way around. Also, I assumed she would be too expensive for me. She immediately owned up to being a working girl and you have to love how unabashed these girls are about their profession. She also added that Thursday night is free flow Champagne night at KuDeTa and she and her girl friends would be going. One thing I enjoyed about this girl was the frank discussion we were having about prices relative to location, tourist on vacation compare to local ex-pats etc. Her English was excellent and she even understood when I said to her 'the skies the limit' -- relative to what she could ask in certain venues.

She seemed interested in me but before she could say anything more direct, I made a joke and said she looked too expensive for me. I can only imagine what she might ask in Ku De TA. However, she knew the general price girls ask in the club where we were having our convo (3 k), though I said that this was just their opening price and I rarely pay more than 2 k bt. She appeared to be a bit disappointed to hear my (bargaining) comments in this regard possible labeling me as a cheap Charlie. Nevertheless, our price discussion aside, we did exchange numbers and she texted me before she left the club for Climax. I really hate that place and she was with a wedding party so I did not want to invite myself along.

So my question is: has anyone spent anytime at KuDeTa? And, is so, what is your experience? I know that it's upscale and the girls prob quote outrageous rates but curious as to the overall ambience there. Since I would be going solo, it's nice that I would know this girl but it's unlikely I would be paying 4 or 5k baht for a ST encounter here.[/QUOTE]In my opinion Ce La Vie (ex ku de ta) is best for a Wednesday or Friday night, that's when you have many semi pros and normal girls hanging there, also there is a large contingent of farang girls who are in BKK for work or maybe are models.

Never saw so much FL'rs action in the 2 days I was there, one of which was a Sunday if I am not wrong. But it is a place with a large hangout of normal BKK and ex-pat crowd and some handsome farang men to be found here also matching with the farang ladies.

It is a very upscale club, they reject too many men for admission at the bottom of the building only where there is a lift to go up and the place certainly feels classy with 3 places the dance floor and dj hall on the right then the nice quiet bar on the left and then they have a sweet outdoor patio for those beautiful views of sat horn and Bangkok from the 40 the floor and for you to kiss your girl and hold her ass and feel those soft sumptuous breasts in that chilled air. Hehehehe.

I am purely a club pickup guy so this is the kind of place I like to spend time but the music and ladies were not my choice maybe I was on a wrong day and both days I was with a very elegant Thai lady who seldom let me eyes wander but its difficult to hold Alex down.

But a nice place definitely worth a visit a tad higher than levels, but if you are looking for classy ladies do try Spasso or Mixx both have a nice collection of very beautiful Thai ladies Spasso is much better as it is less loud and more easy for a conversation and no way you need to pay more than 3 k for an all night to a Thai floor that's more than enough she we will be delightful in Esctacy.

I in my life have never asked a lady how much and what she will do in bed and sex and all those bull shit things, I treat the women with utter respect love and shower immensely on drinks and food for her and her friends and in return I get super service when we reach back our hotel room in Davis.

Cheers. Have fun man.

Alex

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878463]
Now, this girl probably really lost face and I am the bad guy.[/QUOTE]Actually to me it seems that more than loosing face she won a free beer.

I'm always surprised when the foreigner needs wants to see face saving issues in all Thai situations.

These are hookers and you're strangers to each other. Before and after act and payment.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1878477]Very classy very expensive place super spicy chicks?
[/QUOTE]And a foreigner with no Thai command, that is not a celebrity and doesn't have a Thai introduction, where would belong in such parties?

If you read the story in more depth, you would have seen that she did not get a beer; free or otherwise. I walked out because I was miffed by her attitude and cancelled the order. I actually could care less that she lost face as she brought the whole thing on herself but was noting in her eyes and prob her friend that I am a bad guy now. I initially was going to buy her beer for her time because I enjoyed dancing with her and also I come in this place a lot so didn't want to to totally blow her off in the event I saw her again.

Frequently, Thai's lose face because of an error in judgment on their side. This story is such an example.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1878543]Actually to me it seems that more than loosing face she won a free beer.

I'm always surprised when the foreigner needs wants to see face saving issues in all Thai situations.

These are hookers and you're strangers to each other. Before and after act and payment.[/QUOTE]

So I walked into Thermae tonight about 8 pm. It was completely deserted with perhaps 4 girls in there and zero punters. There were a few stragglers outside smoking cigarettes. I have only been once before in late March and it was packed. I would estimate the time of my March visit was around 7 pm.

What happened or did I go at the wrong time? I live in the neighborhood and could easily return. In fact, last night when I walked by there seemed to be quite a few FL's outside the steps. I even chatted up a Japanese looking girl for a bit but her English was not so good. She claimed to be from Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1878477]Thanks TT, this time will definitely go for the hunt in Thermae. Last time was Oskar, Spasso and Ce La Vie (Ku de Ta) . This time thermae and I am also looking for some other classy or high end places where the BKK elites 25-40 go for party or bar or something like that. Very classy very expensive place super spicy chicks?

Find it for me mate and I will be highly thankful to you.

Cheers,

Alex[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878567]If you read the story in more depth, you would have seen that she did not get a beer; free or otherwise. [/QUOTE]Even better! I can reassure you that the only one that has lost something is you, with a tiny bit of your time. It's not like you were dancing with your dear aunts and missed on some etiquette.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1878544]And a foreigner with no Thai command, that is not a celebrity and doesn't have a Thai introduction, where would belong in such parties?[/QUOTE]Don't worry ONG, been there done that in China and Hong Kong, doing it now in Dubai didn't knew a word of Arabic but having a Moroccan lady for 6 months have learnt a lot, there are clubs in Dubai where the entry is 30-60 $ just to get inside and yes this applies for the farangs also and Alex goes in free with as many people as he wants, you just need to be humble and down to earth. I used to do a lot of clubs BKK but that was 10 years ago I had a Thai GF who was 19 then and I learnt Thai in 6 months faster than she thought.

Have forgotten quite a bit bt still some of it is still in my dick oops I meant brain. I don't need to go to these page 3 parties or events, I want to know of a bar or club where normal Thais hangout for me to camouflage is not difficult loads of my brethren are pure Thais now with change in there names also so no issues.

Just for your knowledge Alex is a magnet in making friends at the bar so just need to know the place. Just this time I had so much fun in Spasso and Mixx I can't tell you my fellow brethren from my country of birth and my latest country of residence were not allowed in Mixx while I was being given a VVIP treatment don't think I am being proud or loud just that in these 13 years of mongering I've learnt how to find my way just need to know the place a bit.

And all the forum I read is about Go-gos and MP or soapies no fun in all that crap, until you don't get rejected by a lady you don't learn the fun of charming a lady. Its only in Thailand women crave for frang men here in Dubai the sexy Moroccans and Iranians will die but no go with a white man until he is super stashed with cash so its a differ lifestyle but indeed fun.

I am trying to ask many people about the good bars and clubs but no one replied, I think most of the punters in Thai or BKK forum are around 60 so clubs is off there agenda but for me that is the place to hunt and the thrill to hunt.

Cheers: guide me to some nice bars man and it will be fun trust me:

Alex

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878574]So I walked into Thermae tonight about 8 pm. It was completely deserted with perhaps 4 girls in there and zero punters. There were a few stragglers outside smoking cigarettes. I have only been once before in late March and it was packed. I would estimate the time of my March visit was around 7 pm.

What happened or did I go at the wrong time? I live in the neighborhood and could easily return. In fact, last night when I walked by there seemed to be quite a few FL's outside the steps. I even chatted up a Japanese looking girl for a bit but her English was not so good. She claimed to be from Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]You were way too early. Would not think about going till about 1030 pm.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878574]So I walked into Thermae tonight about 8 pm. It was completely deserted with perhaps 4 girls in there and zero punters. There were a few stragglers outside smoking cigarettes. I have only been once before in late March and it was packed. I would estimate the time of my March visit was around 7 pm.

What happened or did I go at the wrong time? I live in the neighborhood and could easily return. In fact, last night when I walked by there seemed to be quite a few FL's outside the steps. I even chatted up a Japanese looking girl for a bit but her English was not so good. She claimed to be from Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]Unless there has been a recent change, Thermae isn't open until 8 pm. So on that occasion you and the stragglers were probably the first ones in after they unlocked the doors. Yes, very early. But I don't know if it is necessary to go as late as 10:30 pm. I am total non-Asian, Caucasian in my 60's, and have had several fine scores with lovely young ladies there as early as 9:30pm in, say, 3 out of 4 tries over the past few months. 2500 baht for low hassle Real GFE my way has been the norm.

I know a lot of guys, non-Asians, say the later the better in Thermae because most of the hottest girls are holding out for the supposedly over-paying, low demand Japanese customers and might be more amenable to a (reasonably) going rate-paying, higher demand Caucasian customer only as the night wears on. Maybe so. Maybe I would have gotten my deal for 2000 instead of 2500 if I'd gone shopping after midnight or later. Don't know since I prefer an earlier session, by around 10pm or so, and haven't been in Thermae in the wee hours of the AM in a while. Still, even as early as 9-9:30 pm arrival has worked out fine for me in Thermae over the past year.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1878669]You were way too early. Would not think about going till about 1030 pm.[/QUOTE]In the very old days (for me) which was 24 years ago, Thermae was a place to go very late, as it was owned by the Police and could stay open much later than other bars. Girls from go go bars with no customer would move on to the Thermae when their bars closed, or the Grace Hotel Coffee shop, or a disco, to still try to get a customer. So my early memories of going to Thermae would have been well after midnight, I believe. Many girls at Thermae were part time hookers, with other jobs, but needing to supplement their earnings. Shop assistant or Hotel Cleaner earnings were not very good at all. Girls could get a fuck and get some more money too. Those were the days when 500 Baht for LT was normal I think. The added advantage was no barfine. Some of the girls were indeed picky. While wanting to make money, they also wanted a guy that gave the right vibe. Sometimes girls would reject so many potential customers and end up with no customer at the end. I have been declined by girls on occasions. There were lots of very ordinary girls and just a few good lookers, usually. There was a Thermae Soapy massage upstairs from Thermae Coffee shop with fishbowl. I was regular customer. After my earliest Thermae experiences, it (the coffee shop only) moved location from quite close to corner of Soi 11 to the Ruamchit location.

I guess over the years it changed somewhat. I have not visited recently, but it was the favorite place for a Japanese friend of mine.

I remember my first Thermae girl was slim but had big wide slung tits. Great body. Great fuck. Strangely, to use hotel toilet, she did not sit on it, but stood on the seat and squatted. She obviously was not used to western toilets. She spoke to me in Thai (when my Thai was very weak) but used English pronouns (I and you) which confused me a lot. Mixed Thai and English can be difficult for the inexperienced. I took same girl several nights running, till her and her friend (both very good looking) had enough money to return to Phitsanulok, unfortunately. Should have taken both of them most likely. I had picked the one of the two that did not smoke. That was how I decided which one. Otherwise both seemed great.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1878708]Unless there has been a recent change, Thermae isn't open until 8 pm. So on that occasion you and the stragglers were probably the first ones in after they unlocked the doors. Yes, very early. But I don't know if it is necessary to go as late as 10:30 pm. I am total non-Asian, Caucasian in my 60's, and have had several fine scores with lovely young ladies there as early as 9:30pm in, say, 3 out of 4 tries over the past few months. 2500 baht for low hassle Real GFE my way has been the norm.

I know a lot of guys, non-Asians, say the later the better in Thermae because most of the hottest girls are holding out for the supposedly over-paying, low demand Japanese customers and might be more amenable to a (reasonably) going rate-paying, higher demand Caucasian customer only as the night wears on. Maybe so. Maybe I would have gotten my deal for 2000 instead of 2500 if I'd gone shopping after midnight or later. Don't know since I prefer an earlier session, by around 10pm or so, and haven't been in Thermae in the wee hours of the AM in a while. Still, even as early as 9-9:30 pm arrival has worked out fine for me in Thermae over the past year.[/QUOTE]Is it true that a lot many semi-pros or normal ladies hangout at thermae to make some extra income, doesn't sound true to me but people who have visited here quite often must be having latest ground info about the place.

I am still wondering if that is true?

I am assuming by your comment of 2500 baht that you are referring to short term price. Thanks everyone for the clarification of the best time to go. If it indeed does only open at 8 pm perhaps my earlier March visit was at a later time than I thought. It was packed that night though 90% Japanese.

Just a short funny story. A few nights ago before my mishap with the girl who wanted me to buy her friend a beer as well as her, I met a strikingly attractive and nice FL who told me she normally goes to the high end places such as Spasso's and Kuteda. The only reason she was in this decidedly downscale club was because she was with a women and friend of her mothers who was marrying a Thai guy (also in attendance). I got her number before she left for Climax as the rest of her group wanted to move there. I hate that place so did not join her.

She texted me the next afternoon to tell me she was at Climax until 4 am and personally dropped 10 k baht on drinks presumably for her friends and the wedding party.

Sounded like she felt terrible (as in hungover and regretful) plus very broke so I guess even FL's can throw money around.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1878708]Unless there has been a recent change, Thermae isn't open until 8 pm. So on that occasion you and the stragglers were probably the first ones in after they unlocked the doors. Yes, very early. But I don't know if it is necessary to go as late as 10:30 pm. I am total non-Asian, Caucasian in my 60's, and have had several fine scores with lovely young ladies there as early as 9:30pm in, say, 3 out of 4 tries over the past few months. 2500 baht for low hassle Real GFE my way has been the norm.

I know a lot of guys, non-Asians, say the later the better in Thermae because most of the hottest girls are holding out for the supposedly over-paying, low demand Japanese customers and might be more amenable to a (reasonably) going rate-paying, higher demand Caucasian customer only as the night wears on. Maybe so. Maybe I would have gotten my deal for 2000 instead of 2500 if I'd gone shopping after midnight or later. Don't know since I prefer an earlier session, by around 10pm or so, and haven't been in Thermae in the wee hours of the AM in a while. Still, even as early as 9-9:30 pm arrival has worked out fine for me in Thermae over the past year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1878635]Don't worry ONG, been there done that in China and Hong Kong, doing it now in Dubai ...
this applies for the farangs also and Alex goes in free with as many people as he wants
... I learnt Thai in 6 months faster than she thought.
... for me to camouflage is not difficult loads of my brethren are pure Thais now with change in there names also so no issues.
... Just for your knowledge Alex is a magnet in making friends at the bar so just need to know the place.
... I was being given a VVIP treatment don't think I am being proud or loud just (!!!)
... Its only in Thailand women crave for frang men
Cheers: guide me to some nice bars man and it will be fun trust me:
[/QUOTE]I'm surprised that a resourceful international playboy like you doesn't know where most clubs are in Bangkok, so I'll be happy to give you this enabler to your indubitable success: clubs for Thai are on Phetchaburi.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1878811]I'm surprised that a resourceful international playboy like you doesn't know where most clubs are in Bangkok, so I'll be happy to give you this enabler to your indubitable success: clubs for Thai are on Phetchaburi.[/QUOTE]ONG,

RCA clubs I've done: Hollywood have done, don't know about Gentleman Clubs as I have never tried them they seem tempting but still to venture in them, The farang pickup clubs of Levels, Spasso, Mixx, climax, shock, spicy, bossy, insanity all done.

This time tried Oskar, Spasso and Kudeta and liked the vibe there. Now the urge is to try nice bars where there is less music so we can have a conversation as I am also getting old and more busy in work so that we can have early evening action lets say 5-7 pm when women from most jobs get free, bankers, secretaries, or maybe some uni students making to earn the extra bucks.

I am wrong mostly as scene in BKK has changed a lot when I visited this time its getting more and more hardcore but the hunt should keep on continue and dude I can't solve jigsaw puzzles neither do I write puzzles in my FRs, simple guy simple thoughts about sex and women.

If the place is good and you have tried it send me a link with a FR if it is already written about the place I will try and write my FR simple, if not its OK we will find.

Chill,

Alex

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878773]I am assuming by your comment of 2500 baht that you are referring to short term price. Thanks everyone for the clarification of the best time to go. If it indeed does only open at 8 pm perhaps my earlier March visit was at a later time than I thought. It was packed that night though 90% Japanese.

Just a short funny story. A few nights ago before my mishap with the girl who wanted me to buy her friend a beer as well as her, I met a strikingly attractive and nice FL who told me she normally goes to the high end places such as Spasso's and Kuteda. The only reason she was in this decidedly downscale club was because she was with a women and friend of her mothers who was marrying a Thai guy (also in attendance). I got her number before she left for Climax as the rest of her group wanted to move there. I hate that place so did not join her.

She texted me the next afternoon to tell me she was at Climax until 4 am and personally dropped 10 k baht on drinks presumably for her friends and the wedding party.

Sounded like she felt terrible (as in hungover and regretful) plus very broke so I guess even FL's can throw money around.[/QUOTE]Yes, in my case I was referring to Short Time. I think 2000-2500 is about normal for Short Time with all but the most desperate (1000-1500?) girls in Thermae or the most popular (3000+?). I suspect any pick ups standing in Thermae regularly asking for and getting more than 3000 for Short Time from anyone other than the least informed newbies would be super standouts beauty-wise and must not have heard about Mixx or Spasso (or so I've heard).

And on your other story, it is my belief that these P4 P girls blow through big money even faster than small money and are just as broke and in need of my 2000-2500 (or whatever is the going rate for a venue) on Thursday as if they'd never laid hands on 5,000+ some nut paid them for the same service on Wednesday. LOL. And that feeds into my oft-stated contention that some customers overpaying doesn't do nearly the harm in terms of declining quality of service or value for money re rising prices as do too many low demand customers paying the going rate for lousy or weak service. Just my humble opinion of course.

I am reading 2. 5 K for short time, what is LT then 4-5 K now? How about taking a girl if I happen to fancy one a lot to islands for 2-3 days what's the expectation there?

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1878539]
But a nice place definitely worth a visit a tad higher than levels, but if you are looking for classy ladies do try Spasso or Mixx both have a nice collection of very beautiful Thai ladies Spasso is much better as it is less loud and more easy for a conversation and no way you need to pay more than 3 k for an all night to a Thai floor that's more than enough she we will be delightful in Esctacy.

Alex[/QUOTE]Hi Alex (you sexy beast! 555.

Thanks for this info. I have never tried Spasso as I was under the impression that the ladies are older (30+) and that prices are high (5 K and up). This is not a good combo for me.

But, if I read you post correctly, you are saying that the girls will go for 3 K. Did I get that right? Please confirm as this would change my attitude about the place. A classy, sexy, older lady at 3 K sounds intriguing.

I always enjoy your crazy posts. Keep on partying brother man!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1878986]Hi Alex (you sexy beast! 555.

Thanks for this info. I have never tried Spasso as I was under the impression that the ladies are older (30+) and that prices are high (5 K and up). This is not a good combo for me.

But, if I read you post correctly, you are saying that the girls will go for 3 K. Did I get that right? Please confirm as this would change my attitude about the place. A classy, sexy, older lady at 3 K sounds intriguing.

I always enjoy your crazy posts. Keep on partying brother man![/QUOTE]Yo Uncle V.

I tell this to everybody even in the DXB forum, I never even initiate the talk of money just say yes I know the system and I will take care of you just relax have a great night. But then when we party with the lady she enjoys Alex's hospitality with drinks food and our small home in Davis.

3 k is what I paid to both all the Thai ladies, just this Uzbek got the better of me one day rest no babe even said a word to me about money, the Colombian didn't even take a single baht and is waiting for me in BKK when I land there.

Yes the ladies are all very classy dressed in Spasso, Uncle V you need to check out Oskar also go there around 8 ish nice food again classier females all Thais and men all farang but gain a very classy place.

Thanks for your support I just write my heart nothing great just true incidents I write and my feelings but this time I want to spend time in Phuket and I am looking for a nice villa on beach with private pool and driver who has a car so that everything is taken care of by him.

Chill and cheers.

Alex.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1879030]Yo Uncle V.

I tell this to everybody even in the DXB forum, I never even initiate the talk of money just say yes I know the system and I will take care of you just relax have a great night. But then when we party with the lady she enjoys Alex's hospitality with drinks food and our small home in Davis.

3 k is what I paid to both all the Thai ladies, just this Uzbek got the better of me one day rest no babe even said a word to me about money, the Colombian didn't even take a single baht and is waiting for me in BKK when I land there.

Yes the ladies are all very classy dressed in Spasso, Uncle V you need to check out Oskar also go there around 8 ish nice food again classier females all Thais and men all farang but gain a very classy place.

Thanks for your support I just write my heart nothing great just true incidents I write and my feelings but this time I want to spend time in Phuket and I am looking for a nice villa on beach with private pool and driver who has a car so that everything is taken care of by him.

Chill and cheers.

Alex.[/QUOTE]Thanks Alex. I will have to check it out.

I've bene to Oskar's and picked up some cute girls I saw there later at Levels. Nice chill, mellow place. Good Falang food too and well made cocktails. Nice change of pace from the usual club atmosphere.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1878773]Sounded like she felt terrible (as in hungover and regretful) plus very broke [b]so I guess even FL's can throw money around[/b].
[/QUOTE]And that is the very reason they will have to remain on the Game. The money they make will be gone just as fast as it reaches them.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1879242]Thanks Alex. I will have to check it out.

I've bene to Oskar's and picked up some cute girls I saw there later at Levels. Nice chill, mellow place. Good Falang food too and well made cocktails. Nice change of pace from the usual club atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Uncle V,

Next time when in BKK also try the den at the back side of insanity in the same Soi, starts at around 3 pm very cool chilled out place very posh very classy and some nice chicks to be had there, I have not tried it but heard good reviews about it. If I hear BKK before I will definitely try this and thermae both.

No other new place I am aware of, if you are aware do let me know.

Cheers.

Alex

Exactly: the rainy day fund idea does not seem to exist with these girls. Another reason I did not join this girl and her party at Climax, besides hating that fire trap in the waiting, was the thought that I most assuredly would been caught up in the BMD game. I am damn sure that I have never spent that much on a night out in Bangkok and that includes any girl fees.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1879264]And that is the very reason they will have to remain on the Game. The money they make will be gone just as fast as it reaches them.[/QUOTE]

I stopped by Thermae today, they open at 8 Pm and close at 1 am according to the sign. Quite busy at 8 PM and I'd say 90 percent customers were Japanese.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1879489]I stopped by Thermae today, they open at 8 Pm and close at 1 am according to the sign. Quite busy at 8 PM and I'd say 90 percent customers were Japanese.[/QUOTE]Hey Sean,

How about the women scene in thermae at 8 pm?

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1878872]I am reading 2. 5 K for short time, what is LT then 4-5 K now? How about taking a girl if I happen to fancy one a lot to islands for 2-3 days what's the expectation there?[/QUOTE]2500 Baht for ST is the going rate at Thermae. My experience at Thermae has not been good:

Last year, I offered 2000 Baht (for ST) and the girl refused. It surprised me since 2000 for ST is NOT a low rate.

Moreover, it was between 11 pm and Midnight when girls want to strike deals. I then approached another girl, who politely responded: "Sorry, Japanese only".

I have not visited Thermae since this visit in 2015.

~BKKguru.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;1879675]2500 Baht for ST is the going rate at Thermae. My experience at Thermae has not been good:

Last year, I offered 2000 Baht (for ST) and the girl refused. It surprised me since 2000 for ST is NOT a low rate.

Moreover, it was between 11 pm and Midnight when girls want to strike deals. I then approached another girl, who politely responded: "Sorry, Japanese only".

I have not visited Thermae since this visit in 2015.

~BKKguru.[/QUOTE]I frequented Thermae for about 8 years. In fact, I was there on average 3 to 4 nights a week from 99 to 07. Can't tell you how many gals I pulled from there. The majority were very good experiences. Probably a 90 plus percent success rate. Also paid every one of them 1000 Baht. What made Thermae great was not only the volume of gals, but the fun you could have there. Gals were dancing by the juke box, moving around the room, grabbing your unit, propositioning you, and drinking. It was one big party every night. Now the gals don't drink and stand against the walls and booths like people bored at a school dance. It has morphed into a 100% Asian style scene. Before 01 there were no Japanese in Thermae. Then they slowly creeped in. Starting at first by taking over the back right corner of the room and over the years the entire bar. By 04 there were gals that were Japanese only but at that time they were well in the minority. What sent the Japanese census through the roof was the closing of the Siam City Hotel Coffee Shop. Located on Phetchaburi it was the Asia Thermae. We would go there on occasion as they had great food and the "show" was pretty good. Gals wanted 1500 Baht and most would go with Farang, although some were Asian only. The hotel was torn down and at that point the Asian clientele started going to Thermae. By the late 00's Thermae was not as Farang friendly and the prices started to creep up, first to 1500 and now as one person reported 2500. I do have a few friends who go there and they are still paying 2000, but the number of lookers who will go with Farang is dwindling. I can barely stand to go in the place these days; it's a shadow of its former self and I just become too nostalgic. I do love the wait staff. They are the best group of dudes in the city. Even now on my twice a year forays in, Khun Somchai comes up to me, greets me by name, and ask me if I want my usual drink. I have so many great memories of that place.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1879686] What sent the Japanese census through the roof was the closing of the Siam City Hotel Coffee Shop. Located on Phetchaburi it was the Asia Thermae. We would go there on occasion as they had great food and the "show" was pretty good. [/QUOTE]I think you have the name of the Hotel slightly wrong. Siam City Hotel is in Sri Ayutthaya Road and I doubt torn down. It is approx. Opposite J One Soapy. I used to live in that area part time. So your Hotel must have a slightly different name.

Are you meaning the one that used to be near to corner of Phetchburi and Phet Uthai, not that far from La Belle Soapy and Kampaeng Phet 7 Alley? Just a wild guess.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1879264]And that is the very reason they will have to remain on the Game. The money they make will be gone just as fast as it reaches them.[/QUOTE]As for bargirls, I am seeing a lot of bargirls are only turning up to work when they need money. The bar is a pretty boring place to work. Not many girls are loving it, and not many are really diligent, turning up to work everyday and on time. Depends on level of being desperate for money. Girls that rarely get barfined, have to attend regularly, in order to get some monthly salary. Girls that can get a barfine, only show up when they can motivate themselves. So many of my favorite girls are attending quite irregularly.

Girls that did bar work for many years are even more bored by it. Show to up to work for a regular groping by stingy customers who don't want to barfine the girl and also don't want to buy drinks? So the standard of the girls can decline. Why would really pretty girls want to put up with that shit? What they do have over MP girls, is the ability to reject customers, and run away from them. Also MP girls are expected to show up almost every day at plenty of shops, if not away up country.

How many of these bargirls have significant money in the bank? Somewhat few I would bet. Where is their future? I know of two that are working bar to finance studies, and would intend to quit in 2 to 3 years time, but that is also not the norm.

One older bargirl over 30 must have had plenty of money in the bank, since she was able to afford an expensive private hospital, when she had blood poisoning. Others are getting enough money for nose and tit jobs, but usually not top quality.

I stopped by Thermae again for a drink on my way to Mixx around midnight. On Sat they close at 2:30 AM. It was packed. Reading some of the reports below they describe it exactly how it is. I tried speaking with couple of girls and they refused. I wasn't even trying to take them out, just wanted to chat. T.

The clientele is predominately Japanese. I get a lot of friendly looks however, so it's not impossible to take one out, but it sucks to get refused by a hoe. I think the hottest ones will hold out for a Japanese client there.

Beer is 100, wisky cola is 110. Staff are great I could not agree more.

Mixx was alright, nice club, lots of older CIS (30's) girls. BTW Spicy is closed at least according to several taxi drivers.

Was in Baccara earlier that day, took a girl to hotel, she insisted on turning off all lights in the room and I sent her back with 50 bhat for taxi. Shit happens I guess.

I visited Thermae years ago and it was amazing. I have been under the impression that for many years now older falangs have no chance at getting a girl. It was a Japanese and Korean only place for the most part. Have things changed recently? Does an older westerner have a chance to get a pretty girl there?

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1879738]
Was in Baccara earlier that day, took a girl to hotel, she insisted on turning off all lights in the room and I sent her back with 50 bhat for taxi. Shit happens I guess.[/QUOTE]Shit, I need the lights on to make absolutely sure it's really a girl.

One girl I like a lot, knows just how pretty she is from head to toe, and how to flaunt it. She is willing to spread her legs and spread her pussy lips showing her pretty pink hole and masturbate herself a bit, as she knows it will turn me on. Claims she likes sex a lot too. Fucks with enthusiasm, dances nude.

If the girl need the lights off, what is she hiding? Some girls need the lights dimmed a bit, as claim it shines in their eyes when they are not on top. If the customer is really ugly, they can just shut their eyes.

I am not a big fan of 3 somes as years of futile attempts to duplicate a PSE has provided only limited satisfaction. Indeed, I have not had one since being in Thailand and my last one was a regretful occasion in Sanur, Bali the previous winter that almost swore me off the whole idea.

Last night I was in my favorite haunt in a club off Suk hanging with an old buddy and had more or less decided to take the night off and enjoy the live music and vibe of this place. Around 1 am, two girls came in and asked to share my standing table. One girl I had met earlier this winter and had almost taken out a few months ago. She has the cute girl next door look, albeit some crooked teeth, and seemed like a genuine nice person. The reason we did not leave together that night (earlier in the winter) was due to a girl who I had banged a few times and was in the bar that night. When she saw me dancing with this girl, she came over and slapped me on the temple, and gave the girl a rash of crap about me. None of which I understood as it was in Thai but this girl has been wary of me ever since. I found out later last evening that the girl had said I was a bad guy etc. I guess she was pissed that she was losing a steady customer?

Her agressive friend, however, had no such qualms or knowledge of this prior incident, and almost immediately started grabbing the precious jewels under the table, stroking my nipples over my shirt, and literally trying to open my zipper. After I bought her the requisite beer and several songs later, she asked if I wanted to go with her or the both of them. This girl was pretty hot, young, and some of the older gals were exhibiting disapproving glances for her overall overt sexy behavior with me. However, the other girl still seemed reluctant until I explained that the girl who slapped me was definitely not my girl friend, so no worries. We agreed to a price of 2500 baht each and returned to my nearby apartment by 2 am.

Sitting on my couch, we reconfirmed the price and the aggressive girl said short term. I asked how long for short term and how many shots to which she replied 2 hours and as many shots as I could handle. Ok. Game on. In a few short minutes, we were all in my bedroom. Being the gentleman, I decided that I should take the girl I knew from earlier this winter first. One thing I had to be careful about was that both girls were all over me with tongues, nails, and well placed fingers. My biggest concern was blowing my wad early what with all the excitement but by controlling the situation a bit, I got into a rythm of banging and dining at the 'Y' with the first girl. I was also delighted to see the aggressive girl sucking the breasts of her friend while I dined at her friends nicely shaved V, occasionally alternating between them for good measure. There were no restrictions. In fact, I could kiss either girl even if I had been slurping on the other. I even took one girls finger and slipped it in the other girls pussy while she sucked her breasts.

Usually, interaction between girls are limited in these scenarios but I was somewhat successful in seeing some mutual physical contact between both girls. The girl with the crooked teeth turned out to be a delightful kisser especially when I exploded inside her. I could not hold back, once the other more agressive girl from the bar, stroked my balls and ass while I banged her friend. Many positions were undertaken and the most memorable was banging the aggressive girl while the other girl straddled her standing up and I licked her sweet pussy.

Towards the last orgasm, counting three for the evening activities, the aggressive girl who had been somewhat reluctant in the bedroom to fuck, though she was doing yeoman like work in other regards, was urged by the other girl to mount me. This girl actually said to the other 'I will show you how' as if the other girl was unfamiliar with cowgirl. Not certain what that was about as the agressive girl certainly rode me like it was not her first rodeo. I came hard inside her as the crooked teeth girl deep slurped my tongue.

After coming, it continued on and I finally told them to stop or slow down as they literally kept trying to jack me off, stroke me and appeared for all intensive purposes to be rather insatiable. Frankly, I could not believe it as I figured they by now would be attempting to wrap things up as it were. We finally slept for about an hour with me in the middle (how delightful) and they left at 5 am so they stayed three hours in total at my apartment.

My only regret was I forgot to take photos. Damn it! However, one thing that led a nice comfort level to the 3some was being acquainted beforehand with the first gal so perhaps a repeat may be on the horizon.

[QUOTE=Allover;1879746]I visited Thermae years ago and it was amazing. I have been under the impression that for many years now older falangs have no chance at getting a girl. It was a Japanese and Korean only place for the most part. Have things changed recently? Does an older westerner have a chance to get a pretty girl there?[/QUOTE]I'm neither old nor ugly I think the place just caters to lower class Japanese, that's not to say you can't take out from there.

A non-bargirl lovely oily lady once confided to me that even though she had been very successful for several years, she did not have a bank account. Although this is quite common in developing countries, she would have been seeing hundreds of customers a year, probably close to 1000 a year and would have made a sizeable (tax free) fortune.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1879735]How many of these bargirls have significant money in the bank? Somewhat few I would bet. Where is their future? I know of two that are working bar to finance studies, and would intend to quit in 2 to 3 years time, but that is also not the norm.

One older bargirl over 30 must have had plenty of money in the bank, since she was able to afford an expensive private hospital, when she had blood poisoning. Others are getting enough money for nose and tit jobs, but usually not top quality.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;1879853]A non-bargirl lovely oily lady once confided to me that even though she had been very successful for several years, she did not have a bank account. Although this is quite common in developing countries, she would have been seeing hundreds of customers a year, probably close to 1000 a year and would have made a sizeable (tax free) fortune.[/QUOTE]Not even said. Has she fessed up about savings to her family, one way or another she would have been virtually forced to surrender at least a large part. Normally the mother is the main receiver. Instead she probably sent the money a bit at time, to maintain her child (s).

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1879738]
Was in Baccara earlier that day, took a girl to hotel, she insisted on turning off all lights in the room and I sent her back with 50 bhat for taxi. Shit happens I guess.[/QUOTE]Well done man. Investment capital untouched, and better luck today.

[QUOTE=Tomasb]However, one thing that led a nice comfort level to the 3some was being acquainted beforehand with the first gal so perhaps a repeat may be on the horizon.
[/QUOTE]And bingo there! Threesomes are so hard to put up together, congrats!

[QUOTE=BKKguru;1879675]I then approached another girl, who politely responded: "Sorry, Japanese only".[/QUOTE]Which by inference means that the woman is, at best, a sexual underperformer (by our standards), and you was spared the disappointment. Watch any Japanese porn video for confirmation. For a Japanese having a PSE is not that difficult, just carry a full bag of sextyoys and keep underwear on for half of the time.

I'm not sure what a GFE experience would be, but I suspect Anime looks and Cosplay would be involved.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1879750]
My only regret was I forgot to take photos. Damn it! However, one thing that led a nice comfort level to the 3some was being acquainted beforehand with the first gal so perhaps a repeat may be on the horizon.[/QUOTE]Amazing experience man. You certainly hit the jackpot! The stuff that (wet) dreams are made of. 555.

I don't have all that much experience with 3somes (and its not something I normally look for). But when they have happened to me its always been a kind of spontaneous thing and has workled otu pretty well (though never as good as it did for you).

The girls are eager enough to please me but its difficult to get them to get going with each other. The one real exception was an experience at devil's den about 6 years ago. Me and one girl DPed the other (her using a strap on) in various positions. Of course DD so it was a bti stage managed on my part. But it was still hot!

Now what you had sounds much more spontaneous and genuine. I hope you got their contacts and can repeat.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1879278]Uncle V,

Next time when in BKK also try the den at the back side of insanity in the same Soi, starts at around 3 pm very cool chilled out place very posh very classy and some nice chicks to be had there, I have not tried it but heard good reviews about it. If I hear BKK before I will definitely try this and thermae both.

No other new place I am aware of, if you are aware do let me know.

Cheers.

Alex[/QUOTE]I spent a few hours there back in December. Beautiful interior ambiance. Red velvet and wood. A shark tank above the bar with baby sharks swimming around. Super cool.

Unfortunately the girls are not all that hot. I had a good time hanging out with one who was kind of cute and one of the best ones there. I bought her a few drinks and we cozied up and kissed etc. But she didn't really do it for me and I ended up leaving without any action after an hour or so. I did leave her a nice tip as I felt bad that she may have missed out on some business.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1879892]I spent a few hours there back in December. Beautiful interior ambiance. Red velvet and wood. A shark tank above the bar with baby sharks swimming around. Super cool.

Unfortunately the girls are not all that hot. I had a good time hanging out with one who was kind of cute and one of the best ones there. I bought her a few drinks and we cozied up and kissed etc. But she didn't really do it for me and I ended up leaving without any action after an hour or so. I did leave her a nice tip.[/QUOTE]I had a very similar take and experience when I dropped by the Den in March. I was staying close by at the Centre Point Hotel on Soi 10 at the time and on one lazy hot afternoon I walked into the place at around 4 pm. The place was a cool, dark, friendly oasis. There were a few other customers scattered around, more arrived while I was there and everybody seemed to be having a good time. Many of the customers looked like regulars to me. One guy was playing pool with two girls.

I sat down on one of the couches near the back and accepted the attention of one of the better looking girls. Her name was Nan and she was a very nice girl. She told me she was 35. I imagine that when she was younger she was quite attractive. She wasn't bad even now, but her main positive today is her warm, friendly, sexual personality. She makes you think that she is there to make you feel good and she definitely knows what she is doing, ha ha, so over the course of the next 90 minutes, I bought her a couple of drinks, we got friendly, and we made out while she rubbed my dick.

All in all I think she was a real nice girl and I had a good time. I did not barfine her, however, because I knew I was going to hook up with my favourite Crazy House girl in a few hours. I gave Nan a generous tip for her time and effort. She practically begged me to come back and see her again. I empathized with her situation and I told her I would try to come back to see her, but I was intentionally vague on when. As it turned out, I never did go back because, well you guys know why, there is too much going on elsewhere. But Nan was a real nice girl and in pretty good shape for 35 ie she was still sexy. And once in a while I like to step out of my preferred girl demographics and do an older girl. I am sure Nan would have shown me a good time. I believe she said her price is 2000 bt for short time which is a little steep, but not outrageous.

So while I totally agree with your description of the place, Uncle V, I think the Den is an ok place to while away a hot lazy late afternoon in BKK and have a cool one. In my case a coke light. 555.

I did do an older gal later in my trip. My older gal now owns two massage shops in the Soi 11 Ambassador Hotel Arcade. I first met her in October, 2015 while she was hanging out trying to drum up business on Soi 11 late at night with a few of her girls. She tried to put one of her girls with me, but I wanted her so we shagged in her shop and she showed me a real good time. I bumped into her again this trip and she was real excited to show me her new massage shop which she had just renovated. It was nice to see her again and we had a very satisfying reunion shag in her new place which she renovated quite well. Yeah, I shagged the mamasan. 2 times. LOL. And I liked it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1879728]I think you have the name of the Hotel slightly wrong. Siam City Hotel is in Sri Ayutthaya Road and I doubt torn down. It is approx. Opposite J One Soapy. I used to live in that area part time. So your Hotel must have a slightly different name.

Are you meaning the one that used to be near to corner of Phetchburi and Phet Uthai, not that far from La Belle Soapy and Kampaeng Phet 7 Alley? Just a wild guess.[/QUOTE]Actually you are correct. The hotel in question was the Siam Hotel, not the Siam City Hotel. And yes, that was the location.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1879910]p. My older gal now owns two massage shops in the Soi 11 Ambassador Hotel Arcade. I first met her in October, 2015 while she was hanging out trying to drum up business on Soi 11 late at night with a few of her girls. She tried to put one of her girls with me, but I wanted her so we shagged in her shop and she showed me a real good time. I bumped into her again this trip and she was real excited to show me her new massage shop which she had just renovated. It was nice to see her again and we had a very satisfying reunion shag in her new place which she renovated quite well. Yeah, I shagged the mamasan. 2 times. LOL. And I liked it.[/QUOTE]Good for her!

And good for you!

I am also getting to like the older girls. My best chick this trip was 30. A little older than I am used to. But still a looker. Slim figure, nice long legs, and the softest skin of any girl I have been with. Btu most importantly an absolute tigress in bed. Screaming like banshee when she came.

She just couldn't get enough! On our 2nd to last night she came 4 times before we went out dancing, 5 times when we got back and 2 more times in the morning. I had to tear myself away as I had errands to run my last day in town. Otherwise who knows when it would end.

A keeper for sure. I will meet her again in August. I may even take her for a little side trip to an island somewhere.

I will email you with pics and details soon brother!

Stay horny Natty!

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1879892]I spent a few hours there back in December. Beautiful interior ambiance. Red velvet and wood. A shark tank above the bar with baby sharks swimming around. Super cool.

Unfortunately the girls are not all that hot. I had a good time hanging out with one who was kind of cute and one of the best ones there. I bought her a few drinks and we cozied up and kissed etc. But she didn't really do it for me and I ended up leaving without any action after an hour or so. I did leave her a nice tip as I felt bad that she may have missed out on some business.[/QUOTE]Uncle V,

You are a master of pussy in L o Sex, any other nice bar or place like den which can be tried on this trip to BKK. I will be in BKK only for a couple of days as I want to spend some time in Phuket this time. Just that I have not been able to finalize the villa or nice apartment or hotel in Phuket is what is stopping from going to Phuket other wise I would have gone till now.

I actually rescheduled my ticket of BKK-HKT thrice as I could not finalize a beach side secluded villa in Phuket and in the end I had to cancel the Phuket part and come back.

You are a veteran of BKK any other place like the den for early evening action or where office workers, bankers, hotel staff or mall sales girls or anything else you know do guide me.

Cheers.

Alex.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1879910]I had a very similar take and experience when I dropped by the Den in March. I was staying close by at the Centre Point Hotel on Soi 10 at the time and on one lazy hot afternoon I walked into the place at around 4 pm. The place was a cool, dark, friendly oasis. There were a few other customers scattered around, more arrived while I was there and everybody seemed to be having a good time. Many of the customers looked like regulars to me. One guy was playing pool with two girls.

I sat down on one of the couches near the back and accepted the attention of one of the better looking girls. Her name was Nan and she was a very nice girl. She told me she was 35. I imagine that when she was younger she was quite attractive. She wasn't bad even now, but her main positive today is her warm, friendly, sexual personality. She makes you think that she is there to make you feel good and she definitely knows what she is doing, ha ha, so over the course of the next 90 minutes, I bought her a couple of drinks, we got friendly, and we made out while she rubbed my dick..[/QUOTE]Hey NB,

Any other place you came across like the den in BKK or some nice bar or early evening place like Oskar. I want to change my mongering in BKK as now I am planning to set up our Thailand operations so will need to be up by 9 am and work for a couple of hours in these next few trips so an early evening action will be great as I love to wine and dine and its fun to pick and choose women from a nice place make her a bit drink and then enjoy sex, I don't like one way style sex I like my women to be equally involved and that's only possible when she is relaxed by alcohol and good food just my thought.

You are a veteran in the BKK scene guide me man and I will be more than happy to try and see the difference from night clubs scene and then this early evening pick up scene. Even the thermae pick up scene does not activate before 9 pm I am looking for more of a 9 pm back home hump sleep then hump early morning and off to work. In Dubai we have an amazing early morning scenes about 3 or 4 places where you can find pussy at 5-7 am also.

Cheers.

Alex.

Hi.

I like pregnant girls. Is there any place where pregnant girls can be available at the moment?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Allover;1879746]I visited Thermae years ago and it was amazing. I have been under the impression that for many years now older falangs have no chance at getting a girl. It was a Japanese and Korean only place for the most part. Have things changed recently? Does an older westerner have a chance to get a pretty girl there?[/QUOTE]A couple of years ago I would have said the same thing about Thermae. I am a 63 year old white guy. In full disclosure, I am fairly bar-fluent in the Thai language, or can mix it up with Thai / English enough to get the necessary questions asked and understand the answers. But most importantly I know enough Thai to put the girl a bit more at ease with the basic greetings, how are you, my name is, what is your name sort of stuff. And I exercise regularly enough to maintain a decent proportionate weight to height ratio for whatever that might be worth. I suspect in Thermae it might be worth something if you are a non-Asian farang. Am always freshly showered, wearing fresh clothes, and when I am on a Thermae run I tend to wear long pants, real shoes no flip-flops and a collared shirt, not necessarily a dress shirt, might be a polo shirt. But not just a t-shirt. I suspect those details also matter when it comes to Thermae girls. For farangs, that is.

Despite taking those measures, my experience going there a couple of years ago still produced near zero vibes for my patronage among the girls, or at least from the better looking girls I wanted to take. And my somewhat direct early, discrete and private interview question about whether the girl is up for a BBBJ+CIM with me (my pursuit of a Real GFE re FS is generally held off until we are alone in my apartment, assuming I have gotten the right response to that BBBJ+CIM question, where the likelihood of the reply being "ok" for a Real GFE is far greater than in a bar) was usually met with wide-eyed shock, recoiling and a definite "No! You will never find a Thai lady who does like that!"

Uh. Ok.

HOWEVER, this past year has been quite different for me. The last 5-6 times I have gone there I have definitely felt very positive vibes from the girls about desiring my patronage. Talking about some better looking girls in the place, not just the hard cases. I am also talking about girls cutting their gaze through the crowds of Asian guys in there to get my attention, too. And I have gotten unambiguous "Yes" replies to my key interview question (see above).

In the past few months, I have taken a Thermae girl every time I've gone in there planning to take one (at least 5 times) and they have been fine experiences for me in my apartment. In fact, I don't remember even getting to that BBBJ+CIM agreement most of them made in the bar because we were too busy enjoying what I now refer to as a Real GFE instead. In one case I was so smitten by the girl I didn't ask her any questions re sex in the bar at all, just chatted in our Thai / English for a moment and off we went. But that one also turned into a Real GFE.

Maybe I was just lucky 5 times in a row at Thermae. Anything is possible. But the difference between what I'd heard about Thermae girls only being interested or overwhelmingly interested in Asian customers rather than farangs, mostly only going for the low-demand customers along with my own experiences a couple of years ago vs what I have been experiencing there this past year or so is rather dramatic.

BTW, I don't wait until after 10:30 PM-11 PM to go shopping in Thermae, although that might have been the case back when I was getting rejected so often a couple of years ago. Not now. These days, I hit Thermae around 9:30 PM-10 PM and my success rate in getting what I want from there is far better than it was when I was going in there later. Typical final number comes in at 2,500 baht, and have taken a couple of girls for 2,000. Those 2,000 baht girls sent me Line messages afterwards asking for repeats, too.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1880209]
Maybe I was just lucky 5 times in a row at Thermae. Anything is possible. But the difference between what I'd heard about Thermae girls only being interested or overwhelmingly interested in Asian customers rather than farangs, mostly only going for the low-demand customers along with my own experiences a couple of years ago vs what I have been experiencing there this past year or so is rather dramatic.

BTW, I don't wait until after 10:30 PM-11 PM to go shopping in Thermae, although that might have been the case back when I was getting rejected so often a couple of years ago. Not now. These days, I hit Thermae around 9:30 PM-10 PM and my success rate in getting what I want from there is far better than it was when I was going in there later. Typical final number comes in at 2,500 baht, and have taken a couple of girls for 2,000. Those 2,000 baht girls sent me Line messages afterwards asking for repeats, too.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this man. I too use to have great success at Thermae. Btu the last couple of times I have gone (all last year) I have found that the best lookers ignored me and seemed only interested in Asian clients.

Your post makes me want to give it another try.

One question: Were you taking these girls for ST? This is what I assume considering the price you paid.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1880053]Uncle V,

You are a master of pussy in L o Sex, any other nice bar or place like den which can be tried on this trip to BKK. I will be in BKK only for a couple of days as I want to spend some time in Phuket this time. Just that I have not been able to finalize the villa or nice apartment or hotel in Phuket is what is stopping from going to Phuket other wise I would have gone till now.

I actually rescheduled my ticket of BKK-HKT thrice as I could not finalize a beach side secluded villa in Phuket and in the end I had to cancel the Phuket part and come back.

You are a veteran of BKK any other place like the den for early evening action or where office workers, bankers, hotel staff or mall sales girls or anything else you know do guide me.

Cheers.

Alex.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. You are too kind. Form your posts it sounds like you have way more experience than me.

You ask a tough question. The only early evening option, aside form Soapies and MPs (and the Den) I can think of is Bier Garden Soi 7 or the Hillary bars.

I am not the biggest fan of these place. The girl quality is not all that great. And both are cheap charlie kind of scenes. I know you are a high roller kind of guy and you may not enjoy the ambiance there. But you can sometimes find a diamond in the rough at Biergarten and it does attract part time girls too. And the place is laid out pretty well so you can walk through there for a quick look without wasting too much time.

Another idea, if you will be in town for awhile is to hit the MPs like Angels, Snow White, and Lord your first few days to develop some contacts. You seem like a gregarious and charming guy and, if they like you, these girls will see you outside working hours or do an LT takeout. After a week or two you should have a nice list of contacts from these places who are willing to come over for dinner and LT. But you will probably have to pay some kind of fine for the work time they miss (in addition to the lady's fee).

It was Sunday. I did not bother to look in CH after the football game finished, expecting weak line up. I thought I might check the very pretty Coyotes in Mercury bar instead. There were two of them previously Palm and Faay, I think.

They were not present, in fact Mercury had no coyotes at all. My favorite slim gogo dancer Noi, was working, with spectacular ass, however she was obviously a bit drunk. Many drinks from previous customer, or the Yaa Dong (herbal alcoholic drink the bar girls take free to eliminate or reduce inhibitions).

She says she is too drunk for an extended fuck, so I decide to party with her a drink myself. I normally do not drink alcohol. Had a Tequilas, and a gin tonic, and a Baileys. She tasted my Baileys and liked it so we got Baileys with milk for her and tequilas.

Most of the gogo girls were pretty average to crappy. Noi was easily the pick of them. What kept me in the place was purely the DJ selected a very good set on music for dancing. Apparently their is a young guy early in evening as DJ who has crap music and the guy that starts at 11 PM has very danceable songs much more to my taste (for my age) and some fun Thai music as well.

Another day I will check out Mandarin to see if some of the best Coyotes went there, or perhaps to other Nana or Cowboy bars with Coyotes.

Late I went back to Cowboy just to very quickly survey the Coyotes. Not many pretty ones were out the front of the bars really. Cowboy was already a bit dark. Was about 1. 30 am I guess. Another day project.

Stopped by "Easy bar", a portable street bar. Chatted briefly to the ladyboy "Eye", who had a really old Japanese customer, and a cute little 19 year old Noi from Chaiyaphum cuddled up to me. Quite pretty. Slim legs. Her shirt was covering, but seemed her tits were either big, or silicones. Silicones is less likely at age 19, but still possible I guess. She has only worked one month so unlikely she would have the money to make silicones. Her Bra was rather hard particularly underneath the tits. Tits felt a bit firmer than normal but not too hard. She asked if I would like to barfine her (500)? I said I would normally be interested, but not sure I could perform after plenty of alcoholic drinks. I cum too slow as it is, without any drinks. She said that was no matter, she could do all the work. LOL.

In the end being a bit tipsy probably helped persuade me to try her at the nearby Asoke Place ST Hotel. With her gear off, her skin was quite whitish. The tits were amazing. Not quite Dcups, BigCs, but very high, perfect nipples, expansive (sticking out from the her sides), very firm, not the slightest bit of sag, but all natural. Cute ass on the small side. Small waist. She wasn't a great kisser really. Seemed not into that much. However she was really into having her nipples kissed and licked, and same for her pussy and clit. Pussy Bush about 2 inches+ long (untrimmed). I suggested she might want to trim that sometime. She moved her hips to make the DATY very easy, squirmed and went a bit crazy. Clearly was into it big time IMHO. Fingers in pussy felt very smooth and very wet. Her BBBJ went very slow and soft just like I asked for and with ball tickling. She learns fast. Nice fuck in several positions and managed to cum okay In doggy, despite my earlier drinking. I once took a different cute faced girl from the same bar, who was pretty crap on the bed, despite experience and having 3 kids I believe. Just shows, it's a crap shoot, whether the girl can be really nice fuck or not, sometimes. Whether she makes it easy and whether she does some things right. I will try to get Noi slightly inebriated next time, as I have found that can improve girl's kissing and ability to lose herself in the moment.

Yes repeat for sure, for the amazing tits and good pussy. Ging at CH also has big tits, but her tits are somewhat more saggy (expected from the weight), where Noi's have no sag. It's like they just swelled up to something rather large. I don't have a pic of Noi's tits yet. Maybe next time.

Thanks Uncle V. I always appreciate your positive words.

To add one more tidbit to my threesome story, I had a couple of blindfolds provided from my international airline flights sitting on a side table during my romp. When one of the girls got into the cowgirl position, I briefly stopped and gave her the (black) blindfold which she willingly and enthusiastically donned. For whatever reason, this seemed to increase her eroticism of the moment and also enhanced the PSE for me. Shortly thereafter, my other friend also put on the other blindfold seeing the other girls reaction (Jet Blue so a blue one) as she sucked my dick. Maybe they were digging it because they did not have to look at me (555) or they just enjoyed doing something a little different.

So save those night blinders from the airlines. You never know when they will come in handy. Hmmm? Let's see where can I buy some of those velvet or silk gloves? 400 thread count, of course.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1879889]Amazing experience man. You certainly hit the jackpot! The stuff that (wet) dreams are made of. 555.

I don't have all that much experience with 3somes (and its not something I normally look for). But when they have happened to me its always been a kind of spontaneous thing and has workled otu pretty well (though never as good as it did for you).

The girls are eager enough to please me but its difficult to get them to get going with each other. The one real exception was an experience at devil's den about 6 years ago. Me and one girl DPed the other (her using a strap on) in various positions. Of course DD so it was a bti stage managed on my part. But it was still hot!

Now what you had sounds much more spontaneous and genuine. I hope you got their contacts and can repeat.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1880230]Thanks man. You are too kind. Form your posts it sounds like you have way more experience than me.

You ask a tough question. The only early evening option, aside form Soapies and MPs (and the Den) I can think of is Bier Garden Soi 7 or the Hillary bars.

I am not the biggest fan of these place. The girl quality is not all that great. And both are cheap charlie kind of scenes. I know you are a high roller kind of guy and you may not enjoy the ambiance there. But you can sometimes find a diamond in the rough at Biergarten and it does attract part time girls too. And the place is laid out pretty well so you can walk through there for a quick look without wasting too much time.

Another idea, if you will be in town for awhile is to hit the MPs like Angels, Snow White, and Lord your first few days to develop some contacts. You seem like a gregarious and charming guy and, if they like you, these girls will see you outside working hours or do an LT takeout. After a week or two you should have a nice list of contacts from these places who are willing to come over for dinner and LT. But you will probably have to pay some kind of fine for the work time they miss (in addition to the lady's fee).[/QUOTE]Uncle V,

I tried the Beergarden scene and also tried Gulliver which is opposite the beer garden or maybe nearby but women were never up to my taste or I went on wrong times I am not much of a chooser but I like nice places something like Spasso and Oskar and uncle v I am a simple guy with simple thoughts no high roller just that when I party or go out I like to have a good time.

You guys go out in go go' s and burn money there I do it in clubs that's the difference, I pick up ladies from the club and make the lady come to me get her desperate for a fuck maybe I can still do it as I am 37 and look 57 but my preferences are changing very soon, have no fun to go club at night now want to try the bar scene early evening pick up, take the girl out to a nice expensive place for dinner make her feel good, shop a bit for her in a mall and then have a good fuck and sleep by 12 .

I am trying to set my office in BKK so have to change my routine a bit it seems for a couple of trips, when things get set then can be back to the same old crazy days and nights.

Usually I used to come back at 7 or 8 every morning with a women in tow even in this trip of BKK and that early morning fuck or my night fuck was super sexy stuff the lady is all worked up the whole night with alcohol and dance and good food she is more horny than I am and my clothes have been teared more than once upon entering the room in Davis, there have been more love bites at various parts of my body than I usually get, I think I need to find some kind of Viagra which can work with alcohol as I cannot cope to these young horny girls who love to fuck and I am done after only 1 fuck but these women want to fuck sleep fuck sleep eat sleep fuck again I can't do that so I need to build my stamina and need a new type of Viagra.

The best part I love about BKK is the variety of new chicks, this time I had a Thai chick she was 5'9 and thick like a Latina man she used to fuck like bull and I loved her company was 33 no kids everything so tight but she was very pro and wanted money but was sweet and true when I took her shopping she opened up and the fuck after that was one of the best absolute orb star it was, she still messages me it takes time for some women to open but after that its fun for them but its the other way around for men we loose interest after 2 or 3 fucks with a women I am like that I don't know about other men.

Then I had this Thai lady who had a black boyfriend, used to drive a Mercedes before was a rich bar owner on Soi 33 used to speak fluent English, drives a Toyota camry now also bit fat but the fucks I had with her all porn star she liked it as hard I could give her if I was 8 on a scale of 10 for fucking her hard she desired 9 if I went 9 she wanted 10 she was a maniac in bed super horny and then me made out in her car inside and outside crazy stuff I did on this trip.

And last but not the least the Colombian has fallen in love for me and me also now she is such a darling I just can't tell you we are still in touch everyday almost every hour she is just so much into me and me also now sometime you start to love a women over time she is like wine leaves her impact slowly but very sensual we had amazing sex in jacuzzi in front of her friend she was so open and bold I was taken aback.

I miss BKK so much I can't tell you. Thats why I want to set up my base in BKK rather than SG and HK because of the fun loving nature of city and people.

Cheers man.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1880225]Thanks for this man. I too use to have great success at Thermae. Btu the last couple of times I have gone (all last year) I have found that the best lookers ignored me and seemed only interested in Asian clients.

Your post makes me want to give it another try.

One question: Were you taking these girls for ST? This is what I assume considering the price you paid.[/QUOTE]Yes, only ST but I must say I never felt rushed. I walk with them about 10-12 minutes to my apartment and don't know that the full experience has ever been noticeably less than 3 hours, including that walk time. Walk out of Thermae around 10-10:15 PM and we're hugging, kissing and saying goodbye outside my apartment very close to 1 AM. Maybe they go back to Thermae after that, don't know.

Give the earlier arrival a try. Around 9:30 PM or just after. Wish I could say which particular nights of the week but I never bothered to make a note of it. If the earlier arrival and shopping times have made a difference at all, to be more precise a big improvement over my results obeying the usual Thermae "Rules for Farangs" like getting there much later when the girls have either already had their Asian customer fix for the night or when they are more desperate and all that, I would put it to my avoiding the over crowded feeding frenzy that occurs during those later evening or very early morning hours. But when many of the girls who are genuine part-timers with regular jobs are showing up at 9 PM or soon after, they just might be worried about not getting a suitable customer at all this night, don't want to find themselves in the position of taking some otherwise unsuitable character for less money during the feeding frenzy and all of that. I just don't think good girls have to stand there all night and then get stuck accepting someone they don't have to accept in this age of smartphones, Line and so on.

If a Thermae part-timer girl doesn't find a suitable customer early in the evening so as to put this night's work in the ledger and get it over with sooner rather than later, she has several other options at her disposal including the discos and scanning the contacts on her Line account to see if a previous customer she liked or at least was conveniently nearby is interested. LOL. Among which I just might be one of them!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1880230]You ask a tough question. The only early evening option, aside form Soapies and MPs (and the Den) I can think of is Bier Garden Soi 7 or the Hillary bars.
[/QUOTE]Personally I dislike Hillary bars due to system that waitresses get commissions for drinks sold to you, even though they are not lady drinks. This causes undue competition amongst the waitresses and always asking you if you want to order another drink. Morning Night and Stumble Inn are more relaxed alternatives with some okay Girls, good for daytime. However very early evening is the absolute best time for Soapies and Oilies.

Some bar girls at gogo bars can be arriving early. Dancing at Crazy House starts as early as 7. 30 PM. Collect phone numbers or LINE contact of favorite girls. Diligent girls sometimes are willing to show up early like 6 PM (or any time during the day) to get a kick start to their money for the night. I used to meet a Suzi W girl at 6. 30 PM quite regularly. Her room is so close by, easy walking distance from Cowboy. However most girls have to come from a distance like PhraKhanong, On Nut, Silom, or Ratchada.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1880231]
Late I went back to Cowboy just to very quickly survey the Coyotes. Not many pretty ones were out the front of the bars really. Cowboy was already a bit dark. Was about 1. 30 am I guess. Another day project...


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Stopped by "Easy bar".......[/QUOTE]Great post.

I have 2 questions:

Is it possible to barfine the coyotes that works in front of the go-go's in Cowboy?

Where is the "Easy Bar"?

Thanks.

Interesting discussion about these two venues. They are quite close to each other though on opposite sides of Suk. I think the Den starts tapering off around the time Thermae is opening so possible to hit both starting around sundown.

The problem with the Den are the lack of many women there on most nights and the rather high price they are asking when you consider that the short term rooms on the premises are 500 baht. So for the punter who said he a girl asked for 2000 baht, I am assuming that did not include the room. Add in drinks and you easily are at 3 k baht. Also, the time in the room will be a flat one hour or when you come as it's generally one shot.

Compare that to Thermae where Uncle V notes you can take a girl ST for more than an hour and the drinks are cheaper. I love close by so could eschew the short time hotel opinion.

Since recent reports seem to suggest an uptick in girls interested in farangs, I may have to take a flier there and see what happens.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880292]
Since recent reports seem to suggest an uptick in girls interested in farangs, I may have to take a flier there and see what happens.[/QUOTE]Yep, never hurts to have a quick look in places that were previously abandoned. Things can change a bit. I am always wary about girls looking for Japanese and Korean that get dick scared, and legs go very stiff, when with Farangs though. A frequent problem at Asian oriented Soapies these days.

I am intrigued enough to have a look too. Can determine the level of stunners.

[QUOTE=Zahle;1880274]Is it possible to barfine the coyotes that works in front of the go-go's in Cowboy?[/QUOTE]Coyotes are often untamed stunning funny extroverted girls. Most of them will choose their customers, or refuse. Most of them can be barfined, but price is way higher than standard.

As my taste usually leads me to coyotes, I chat and drink with them, and collect Line IDs. Then we arrange some meeting outside working hours for standard price, or even less, as most of them turn into genuine GFE.

[QUOTE=Zahle;1880274]Great post.

I have 2 questions:

Is it possible to barfine the coyotes that works in front of the go-go's in Cowboy?

Where is the "Easy Bar"?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The best bet for barfining Coyotes in Cowboy is probably Cowboy 2 bar (not an "Arab" bar). I have barfined a special dance show girl at Midnite a few years back but that may have been for the take over by "the Arab". I have heard rumours that the Arab bars girls are not barfinable "officially" however have not checked recently. Was "the Arab" owner really trying to combat prostitution? Or just money laundering? I have barfined Coyotes at Doll House and at Nana Plaza bars.

Easy Bar is an outside street bar in Soi Asoke close to Cowboy. Close to entrance to MRT underground. Has only one LB, very charming, the rest real girls. Street portable bars close on a Monday. It's not really legal to sell alcohol on the street like this. However Police take their bribes.

Warning. Some of these bars can be almost all LBs near to corner of Asoke and Sukhumvit. One or two LBs very nice, with hot extra curvy bodies, just for a chat (for me not for sex). I need real pussy to turn me on (and real tits) and cute little upturned noses. However many customers prefer the LBs. No idea why this is. Presence of a dick would definitely kill it for me. Every time I visit Asoke Place ST Hotel, they almost always have a Japanese/Korean customer with a LB. Farrangs usually are more brazen and take back to their own Hotel I guess. At Easy, I heard that Mr. John Irish (made up name - I have chatted with him in the past) wanted to take the LB to get a passport and take her overseas with him. So they can be very popular, not just for a curiosity one off.

I was shown some video of the recent Tiffanies beauty pageant for girls of the "2nd type". I asked Miss "Eye" if she ever entered a beauty competiton. She said no she could not because she is a "Garee" in her own words (rather derogatory Thai word for a hooker). She said she might quit being a hooker for a while and enter a pageant. However the completion is extremely tough.

Not sure if it's been noted here on this thread but a major Buddhist holiday occurs this Friday celebrating the life of Buddha. As such, all bars and restaurants are supposedly shuttered with the possible exception of Patong.

Plan accordingly.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880323]Not sure if it's been noted here on this thread but a major Buddhist holiday occurs this Friday celebrating the life of Buddha. As such, all bars and restaurants are supposedly shuttered with the possible exception of Patong.

Plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the warning. The number of public holidays here is ridiculous.

April 06 Chakri Day.
Apr 13,14, 15 Songkran Festival Thai New Year.

May 2 Labour Day (observed) May 1st.
May 5 Coronation Day.
May 6 Public Holiday Bridge holiday after Coronation Day.
May 9 Royal Ploughing Ceremony Government.
May 20 Visakha (Wisakha) Bucha Day .

Public Servants get so many days off. I had to wait till May 10 after very long weekend to visit Immigration and of course this meant the queues were extra long, so I further delayed it till May 11. I normally don't drink alcohol, so hardly give a shit if alcohol is available or not.

I guess some monger places will still be open May 20. I will check. Alcohol sales will not be officially legal. Unlikely to stop Crazy House. LOL I can recall places serving alcohol in a teapot or coffee pot years ago, to make it less obvious. I hardly give a shit if alcohol is available or not. Doesn't really assist me in any way.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880292]Interesting discussion about these two venues. They are quite close to each other though on opposite sides of Suk. I think the Den starts tapering off around the time Thermae is opening so possible to hit both starting around sundown.

The problem with the Den are the lack of many women there on most nights and the rather high price they are asking when you consider that the short term rooms on the premises are 500 baht. So for the punter who said he a girl asked for 2000 baht, I am assuming that did not include the room. Add in drinks and you easily are at 3 k baht. Also, the time in the room will be a flat one hour or when you come as it's generally one shot.

Compare that to Thermae where Uncle V notes you can take a girl ST for more than an hour and the drinks are cheaper. I love close by so could eschew the short time hotel opinion.

Since recent reports seem to suggest an uptick in girls interested in farangs, I may have to take a flier there and see what happens.[/QUOTE]Personally, I have had some good times in Theramae. Not only because of the little darlings lined up around the walls, but I've also met some interesting guys there. Beers are only 100 baht and there's no pressure from the ladies. It's similar to Soi 7 beer garden in that you can totally shoot the shit with fellow mongers until you're ready to grab a gal and go. Never been to the Den, but I've read that it's pricey and it never really looked interesting to me in the first place.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1880329]Thanks for the warning. The number of public holidays here is ridiculous.

April 06 Chakri Day.
Apr 13,14, 15 Songkran Festival Thai New Year.

May 2 Labour Day (observed) May 1st.
May 5 Coronation Day.
May 6 Public Holiday Bridge holiday after Coronation Day.
May 9 Royal Ploughing Ceremony Government.
May 20 Visakha (Wisakha) Bucha Day .

Public Servants get so many days off. I had to wait till May 10 after very long weekend to visit Immigration and of course this meant the queues were extra long, so I further delayed it till May 11. I normally don't drink alcohol, so hardly give a shit if alcohol is available or not.

I guess some monger places will still be open May 20. I will check. Alcohol sales will not be officially legal. Unlikely to stop Crazy House. LOL I can recall places serving alcohol in a teapot or coffee pot years ago, to make it less obvious. I hardly give a shit if alcohol is available or not. Doesn't really assist me in any way.[/QUOTE]Actually I found this out from a little Thai gal I was chatting with when I brought up getting some drinks on Friday and she replied "Cannot, special Buddhist day". My school probably wouldn't have told us until Thursday night that we could take the next day off. Oh well, at least I found out and thankfully this Filipino I've been talking to, as well, doesn't care and is down to hang out.

For days like this, Pat Pong is your best bet if you want to go out and grab a few. The supermarkets, 7/11's and Family Mart won't be selling beer either, but you can count on the little mom and pop stores to do so.

That is the good thing about working in Thailand is the number of holidays you get off. The bad thing is, unless you find out when these days are for yourself, your employer won't tell you until the last minute.

Thanks everyone for recent updates on The Den and Thermae. Some interesting reading.

If I understand correctly my visit to The Den should be around 3-7 pm and Thermae around 10 pm before the Japanese roll in?

I read there is a second Den on Patpong 1. Anyone been there? How does it compare to the one on Suk 12.

How much do the stupidly how girls out the front of bars cost?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1880392]How much do the stupidly how girls out the front of bars cost?[/QUOTE]If you mean the bait-and-switch Coyote scam girls standing in front of the bars to make customers think they are as easily available for barfine as the regular go-go bargirls so you will go into the bar and buy them Lady Drinks, as mentioned, many if not most of them are not available for barfine at all. Don't know what the after hours deal is going for, if you can arrange one.

However, Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy, also as mentioned, is one place where many of the Coyotes are available for barfine. Last time I asked a mamasan there how much, about a year ago, she said 3,000 baht to the bar for barfine plus whatever you negotiate to pay the girl separately. The girl I was considering at the time said 3,000 for her, too. For ST. After a hearty laugh, I passed, paid my bar tab and moved on to less rip off environments.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1880401]If you mean the bait-and-switch Coyote scam girls standing in front of the bars to make customers think they are as easily available for barfine as the regular go-go bargirls so you will go into the bar and buy them Lady Drinks, as mentioned, many if not most of them are not available for barfine at all. Don't know what the after hours deal is going for, if you can arrange one.

However, Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy, also as mentioned, is one place where many of the Coyotes are available for barfine. Last time I asked a mamasan there how much, about a year ago, she said 3,000 baht to the bar for barfine plus whatever you negotiate to pay the girl separately. The girl I was considering at the time said 3,000 for her, too. For ST. After a hearty laugh, I passed, paid my bar tab and moved on to less rip off environments.[/QUOTE]Yeah 3 k BF+ 5 k LT is fine by me provided she gives a good service and lets me cum 2-3 times. Otherwise I don't see the point anything for anything for any amount if the girl is crap. But spending 8 k on a girl for the night is okay price for me.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1880305]Coyotes are often untamed stunning funny extroverted girls. Most of them will choose their customers, or refuse. Most of them can be barfined, but price is way higher than standard.

As my taste usually leads me to coyotes, I chat and drink with them, and collect Line IDs. Then we arrange some meeting outside working hours for standard price, or even less, as most of them turn into genuine GFE.[/QUOTE]That's how it should be done. Kudos!

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1880414]Yeah 3 k BF+ 5 k LT is fine by me provided she gives a good service and lets me cum 2-3 times. Otherwise I don't see the point anything for anything for any amount if the girl is crap. But spending 8 k on a girl for the night is okay price for me.[/QUOTE]I understand what you mean about 8,000 baht being ok IF the girl gives fantastic service worth, say, at least double what a non Coyote would cost. But one other thing to consider; I doubt many of those "3,000 baht to the bar and 3,000+ baht to her" girls rack up very much time and experience in a room alone with a customer. Nothing close to what the regular go-go bargirls do, that is. They certainly don't need to be barfined or paid by a customer for sex in order to make a living. If they did, they wouldn't be Coyotes, right?

And they certainly don't see themselves as actual P4 P girls, at least far less so than their regular go-go bargirl counterparts. They are "models" or "pretties" for the bars, dontcha' know? Which means it is not likely that those Coyotes would give even as good a quality of service as a regular go-go dancer committed to the idea and the industry, much less twice as good.

However, I understand that some customers think looks is enough to justify two or three times what other girls cost. So, if that is the case and your criteria, if being seen walking out of a bar with what you perceive is the hottest girl in the joint provides a good 80% or better of what you are after on a given night, then I guess you can't go too far wrong for the money no matter how lousy she might be in the room.

I am suffering withdrawal symptoms from my favorite CH girl Donut, away for over a week now, so motivation to fuck is a bit down. Another favorite from CH has been gone a while, No. 91 Oom. Seems she had a fisticuffs with No. 34, the girl with enormous silicones, and has not been seen since. May-Lee long gone to have a baby. Nat also long gone. I already did Ging and Nikki in the last week. Petite Jane, the darker one, has been mostly missing too.

Last night did not intend to fuck, but was persuaded by very cute girl with big tits, after I had a few drinks. Tonight I was again in just "check out a few places" mode, again not really intending to fuck anyone, unless something stunning should appear.

Firstly did a slow walk on Cowboy to check the talent of the girls out the front. Can be a good indicator, or better than the talent inside. Did not find any Coyote that was as good looking as two I previously met at Mercury, Palm and Faai. Moved on to Nana and decided to look in Mandarin both Downstairs and Upstairs. Upstairs I thought the girls were just a little better so I stayed just a little longer. Neither bar was at all busy. Maybe 20 girls at each, but less than 10 customers. None of the Coyotes really did proper Coyote dancing, so I regard them as fake Coyotes. No one stunning at either place. Some okay Girls but not really many were slim but curvy and were missing the nose job. Disappointing really. I believe Mandarin was a better bar in the past, talent wise.

Time was getting on so I decided it was an ideal time to check out the Thermae. Arrived after 11 PM. There is plenty of space to move around. Not like the original Thermae, 24 years ago which was smaller inside and so packed that you were forced to be close to lots of other people. There were a lot of girls, maybe 50, maybe more, and somewhat less men. Maybe 20 to 30 Japanese types and maybe about 8 Farangs. I think Farangs were probably doing okay I certainly saw one Farang chat up a girl and they left together. She was moderately cute in the face but shortish and body just a little thicker than my taste around the thighs, small tits. Many girls were conservatively dressed. I am not keen when they wear dresses that hide the size of the thighs and also cover the tits completely.

I could see that the vast majority of the girls were rather flat chested. This is not a problem for me, if I know the tits are at least beautifully shaped A cups and not saggy. Of course with the girl dressed, I just cannot tell. There were some big tits with a high proportion of those likely silicones. Not many girls were dressing sexy so as to expose much of of the breast flesh.

I preferred girls wearing shorts, as it covers legs and ass less. There were a few girls with cutish faces, maybe 6 girls where faces were of moderate interest and that includes some rather dark skinned girls. However it wasn't clear whether any of those girls had a really great body. One or two girls were dressed in tight clothes with a clearly very hot body, good waist to thigh ratio and slim legs and some reasonable cleavage. One of those was spoiled by a beak like nose job. The other just not that pretty.

No girl in the whole place immediately jumped out to me as being obviously stunning, and clearly a great body. It's tougher to tell with over dressed girls. If I was really wanting a fuck, I am sure I would have found something quite okay With probable compromise on the quality of the body. Not willing to take an ugly nose job girls.

I did not see any guys groping girls to check out their bodies. Most guys were acting very polite. Not sure any girl was an obvious challenge to my favourites from elsewhere. It's much harder when you don't know them and haven't had large amounts of time to study each one, my norm when choosing undressed bargirls. However the place was more interesting to me the Mandarin bars. I may well come back and try to find a stunner, possibly would turn up a bit earlier in case the best girls were already gone.

No one in the place would have been competition for exquisite Donut at CH, and possibly not even for Noi at Easy Bar.

It's very hard to compare conservatively dressed girls with naked girls at a go go bar. When girls are naked revealing a great body, they suddenly look so much more enticing, even if many of the faces are not that incredible. I have to assume that conservative dressing is hiding a rather average body until proven otherwise, being a bit of a pessimist.

To gamble on over-dressed girls or not? Can any sort of cuddling realistically go on before choosing to gauge what is underneath? Maybe not feasible.

Percentage of girls with silicones? I would say that was low. Most girls relatively flat chested.

Percentage of girls with nose jobs? I would guess probably 60% to 70%, without doing a proper survey. Good looking nose jobs, who knows? If I can see it is a nose job very easily, that means its an ugly one, generally.

Did I say anything unrealistic, Mr. smooT hiE? I am sure a variety of views are welcome.

Has anybody tried Arabic girls from hotel Grace Soi 3 area.

Are the girls give GFE? If somebody tried or know any other place for Arabic girls please suggest.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1880401] I asked a mamasan there how much, about a year ago, she said 3,000 baht to the bar for barfine plus whatever you negotiate to pay the girl separately. The girl I was considering at the time said 3,000 for her, too. For ST. After a hearty laugh, I passed, paid my bar tab and moved on to less rip off environments.[/QUOTE]There are different ways to see that high BF:

A way to discourage the customer to tow the girl away.

If the customer really wants that girl, the bar will be well refunded by the BF.

Wondering how much the mamasan was putting in her pocket.

Seems to be also a lack of relation between bar fine (3000) and the ST (3000).

Everybody trying their bit to milk the farang, in a way or another.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1880414]Yeah 3 k BF+ 5 k LT is fine by me provided she gives a good service and lets me cum 2-3 times. Otherwise I don't see the point anything for anything for any amount if the girl is crap. But spending 8 k on a girl for the night is okay price for me.[/QUOTE]8000 is quite similar to some ST for a decent escort type of girl in the western world, 60/90 minutes (the time is often unrelated as they might allow a couple of pops in the best scenario.

In here, with 8000 you pay also her sleeping time. I can't imagine those girls are keen of a sex marathon full night long.

Going to be in Europe next month, and Thailand is magnetically pulling me.

Can anyone recommend a knowledgeable local or ex-pat from this forum, male or female, that can show a newbie the ropes. Literally, walk around and point out what's what and whose who? I just don't have the time or patience to make mistakes, trying to make this trip count starting from the first day.

Willing to compensate or treat to a nice dinner, anything reasonable.

Planning to land in bkk around July 7th.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1880414]Yeah 3 k BF+ 5 k LT is fine by me provided she gives a good service and lets me cum 2-3 times. Otherwise I don't see the point anything for anything for any amount if the girl is crap. But spending 8 k on a girl for the night is okay price for me.[/QUOTE]You still don't get it. I'll try again:

Lets take golf: a round costs $200 where you come from, and $50 in Thailand. Would you gladly volunteer to pay $200 in Bangkok anyway because that is what you are used to paying? Would that be an ok price for you?

Dude I'm not trying to be combative; just pointing out how illogical your reasoning is.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1880658]You still don't get it. I'll try again:

Lets take golf: a round costs $200 where you come from, and $50 in Thailand. Would you gladly volunteer to pay $200 in Bangkok anyway because that is what you are used to paying? Would that be an ok price for you?

Dude I'm not trying to be combative; just pointing out how illogical your reasoning is.

SL.[/QUOTE]Agreed Sunlover2. I have no idea why someone would come to Thailand and pay that kind of money. What you pay in your home country is completely irrelevant to pricing in Thailand. Would you go into a car dealership and offer them twice to three times the sticker price? They would think you were crazy.

So, soon I will be heading to BKK after 16 nights in Patts. The last time I was in BKK was more than 10 years ago (I came to Patts straight from the airport).

I will have 4 nights (but I don't drink the day before a long flight as my actual flight time will be about 18 hours and more like 24 hours door to door to JFK).

1. I am looking for recommendations on hip hop, pop and rap music combo dance clubs (similar to Insomnia in Pattaya) to meet college student or office / shopping staff non pros and FL's.

Although I'm an older dude, I find that (even in the US, but a!so in Latin Countries like Spain, or even Australia etc) I usually relate better to girls in their early 20's who love to dance pretty much non stop, intensely. Of course, I'm not looking for freebies but LT GFE 's. And, if I don't find one a particular night, but I enjoyed the ambiance and had fun dancing, that would be ok too (but not the preferred outcome).

2. One thing at Insomnia in Pattaya is the smoking wrecked havoc on my sinuses, but I have been ploughing through it as, 'it is what it is ' and sometimes that's the price one has to pay. But, I would prefer non smoking places. Yes, I'm aware that, all things being equal, oftentimes girls who smoke can be more fun, spontaneous and generous hearted.

3. I have been to Soi Cowboy like 10 years ago, and yes, I do plan to check out Nana and Soi Cowboy during the early PM on one of the days. I've checked out a few gogos in Patts in WS and LK metro but it didn't do anything for me.

4. I will be staying at a suite hotel in the Sukhumvit area. And, will be partying for just 3 nights, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

I've seen people here talk of Thermae, so I will check that out too, on Friday night. If I find someone in my target profile who wants a real LT and wants to dance until at least 3 or 4 am.

Thanks in advance folks !

I went to the Sugar Club on Soi 11 last Saturday. Crowded with lots of young people dancing and mingling. Not my style as don't like hip hop all that much but sounds like you do. There were some hot girls there but I got rejected a few times due to my age, which does not happen very often to me in Bangkok. Of course, rejection rates decline as the early morning hours increase. This place stays open until 7 am or so I am told.

But this Friday may be problematic as to their hours as the Buddha holiday on May 20 may impair their normal operating times.

Speaking of which, I spoke to Bangkok Beat manager last night and he said they are closed on Thursday starting that evening and stay closed until Friday at midnight. They don't want to jeopardize their license by being open at all on May 20.

I stopped in Thermae last night about 10 pm and about 10% of punters were westerners with the rest Japanese of various ages. Felt like an awkward high school mixer with the girls lined up on the perimeter of the space. Found most to be 'meh' and not a lot of eye contact. I stood directky in front of one gal with quite supple and large looking breasts and failed at any eye contact whatsoever. I actually found it more interesting sitting outside on the steps watching girls exit and entry not to mention the street traffic.
That being said, I think one could find someone here though wonder about their overall English skills though I did overhear one girl taking in English to an older Japanese guy so maybe that is the lengua franca here.

Compare that to Bangkok Beat last night where I was inundated with girls approaching me to the point I finally left to sit outside on the porch. Maybe they heard about my epic threesome from a few nights ago.555

One girl who I have taken a couple of times approached me to say she was leaving this holiday weekend and implored me to take her for 3 k baht to finance her trip. When I declined by pleading poverty, she quickly reduced to 2 k baht; an offer I also declined. Basically, the thrill is gone with this one.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1880734]So, soon I will be heading to BKK after 16 nights in Patts. The last time I was in BKK was more than 10 years ago (I came to Patts straight from the airport).

I will have 4 nights (but I don't drink the day before a long flight as my actual flight time will be about 18 hours and more like 24 hours door to door to JFK).

1. I am looking for recommendations on hip hop, pop and rap music combo dance clubs (similar to Insomnia in Pattaya) to meet college student or office / shopping staff non pros and FL's.

Although I'm an older dude, I find that (even in the US, but a!so in Latin Countries like Spain, or even Australia etc) I usually relate better to girls in their early 20's who love to dance pretty much non stop, intensely. Of course, I'm not looking for freebies but LT GFE 's. And, if I don't find one a particular night, but I enjoyed the ambiance and had fun dancing, that would be ok too (but not the preferred outcome).

2. One thing at Insomnia in Pattaya is the smoking wrecked havoc on my sinuses, but I have been ploughing through it as, 'it is what it is ' and sometimes that's the price one has to pay. But, I would prefer non smoking places. Yes, I'm aware that, all things being equal, oftentimes girls who smoke can be more fun, spontaneous and generous hearted.

3. I have been to Soi Cowboy like 10 years ago, and yes, I do plan to check out Nana and Soi Cowboy during the early PM on one of the days. I've checked out a few gogos in Patts in WS and LK metro but it didn't do anything for me.

4. I will be staying at a suite hotel in the Sukhumvit area. And, will be partying for just 3 nights, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

I've seen people here talk of Thermae, so I will check that out too, on Friday night. If I find someone in my target profile who wants a real LT and wants to dance until at least 3 or 4 am.

Thanks in advance folks ![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880763]I went to the Sugar Club on Soi 11 last Saturday. Crowded with lots of young people dancing and mingling. Not my style as don't like hip hop all that much but sounds like you do. There were some hot girls there but I got rejected a few times due to my age, which does not happen very often to me in Bangkok. Of course, rejection rates decline as the early morning hours increase. This place stays open until 7 am or so I am told.

But this Friday may be problematic as to their hours as the Buddha holiday on May 20 may impair their normal operating times.

Speaking of which, I spoke to Bangkok Beat manager last night and he said they are closed on Thursday starting that evening and stay closed until Friday at midnight. They don't want to jeopardize their license by being open at all on May 20.

I stopped in Thermae last night about 10 pm and about 10% of punters were westerners with the rest Japanese of various ages. Felt like an awkward high school mixer with the girls lined up on the perimeter of the space. Found most to be 'meh' and not a lot of eye contact. I stood directky in front of one gal with quite supple and large looking breasts and failed at any eye contact whatsoever. I actually found it more interesting sitting outside on the steps watching girls exit and entry not to mention the street traffic.
That being said, I think one could find someone here though wonder about their overall English skills though I did overhear one girl taking in English to an older Japanese guy so maybe that is the lengua franca here
Compare that to Bangkok Beat last night where I was inundated with girls approaching me to the point I finally left to sit outside on the porch.

One girl who I have taken a couple of times approached me to say she was leaving this holiday weekend and implored me to take her for 3 k baht to finance her trip. When I declined by pleading poverty, she quickly reduced to 2 k baht; an offer I also declined. Basically, the thrill is gone with this one.[/QUOTE]Yep, Thermae has been over for me for quite a few years. After about 09-10 it became so inundated with Japanese and gals who would only service them; the mood was always a downer for me. The exception was during the floods of '11 when much of the city was basked in a foot or so of water. Thermae was a goldmine for about a month with lots of old faces I had not seen for several years and a 1 k Baht price tag. As soon as the waters receded it returned to the horrid new normal.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1880712]Agreed Sunlover2. I have no idea why someone would come to Thailand and pay that kind of money. What you pay in your home country is completely irrelevant to pricing in Thailand. Would you go into a car dealership and offer them twice to three times the sticker price? They would think you were crazy.[/QUOTE]While I don't want to pay a 3000 Baht barfine I have paid 1500 Baht BF. Fucked up analogies prove nothing at all. A girl is not a car or a round of golf. If she were a car, one would easily see the Suzuki and Mercedes have different prices. There are different levels of quality. We can't expect every level of quality to be the same price. Ugly girls realistically have to sell themselves cheaper, to get any takers. A stunning girl can be a higher price and still pulls customers in within a few minutes. These are the unfortunate realities. The prettiest girls are generally not working in the Oilies because they don't make enough money per fuck, or they need more flexibility to work when they feel like it. They can do better elsewhere.

I accept that the type of girls I am looking for, usually do not go for the very lowest prices. I also know they can be a lot less than 8 K for the night in the right place. Anyway the simple fact is prices for all girls are not identical. Everyone has to make their own decision whether the girl is value for money, based on what is available and where. If a stunning girl costs me 3 K and very average looking girl costs only 2 k, am I going to take the 2 k girl? No I don't. I just can't be bothered to waste my money on average girls. If I have two equally stunning girls on offer, sure I will take the one that is much cheaper.

Most of the Coyote girls in Cowboy and Nana are pretty ordinary looking girls that are not worth a high barfine. Simply putting on a Coyote outfit does not improve them. There is the danger of Coyote's bras hiding crappy tits too. I have met the odd stunning exception, where I would be prepared to pay a slightly higher BF. Usually the BF has dropped to a lower price after midnight. The other option as someone mentioned is to try to meet her after work without BF.

Not every monger is looking for the cheapest possible fuck all the time.

For an analogy, I get my dentistry done in Thailand because it is way cheaper than in my home country. However I do not take the absolute cheapest possible dentist available. The dentist qualifications, training, equipment, and skills can matter. I don't monger in my home country any more because it's too pricey, too lousy, don't like girls born in the home country, and don't get enough time. However again I don't take the cheapest possible. My criteria is a bit different.

Apparently Mr. ManGuy thought 8 K was a good deal for all night with a stunning girl. I am sure it was a hell of lot less money than what would cost in his home country, and hence his comment. Sure it might not be the best deal he could do. I have never paid that much total for LT. An Escort would be costing that much. So it's merely a question of if she is special enough to be worth it, or just another average girl, under the undeserved label of an "Escort".

All these money debates get incredibly boring. However I concede Mr. Man Guy brings the controversy on himself by insisting on talking about the prices too much. He would be far better off to shut up about the prices.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880763]
I stopped in Thermae last night about 10 pm and about 10% of punters were westerners with the rest Japanese of various ages. Felt like an awkward high school mixer with the girls lined up on the perimeter of the space. Found most to be 'meh' and not a lot of eye contact. I stood directky in front of one gal with quite supple and large looking breasts and failed at any eye contact whatsoever. I actually found it more interesting sitting outside on the steps watching girls exit and entry not to mention the street traffic.
That being said, I think one could find someone here though wonder about their overall English skills though I did overhear one girl taking in English to an older Japanese guy so maybe that is the lengua franca here.

Compare that to Bangkok Beat last night where I was inundated with girls approaching me to the point I finally left to sit outside on the porch. Maybe they heard about my epic threesome from a few nights ago.555

One girl who I have taken a couple of times approached me to say she was leaving this holiday weekend and implored me to take her for 3 k baht to finance her trip. When I declined by pleading poverty, she quickly reduced to 2 k baht; an offer I also declined. Basically, the thrill is gone with this one.[/QUOTE]I did not find a great deal of difficulty in getting eye contact, or girls to show some interest at Thermae, perhaps not every girl was interested. There is a trend there that girls do not go round hassling guys too much. That is just the standard. They don't want to look too brazen. There experience shows it is easier to wait for a guy to show interest.

If at Bangkok Beat, you are inundated with girls approaching you, that you had to sit on the porch. That is bad and annoying. Thermae is better. It is no flattery for girls (or LBs) to be that interested. It shows they think you might be a sucker, that can manipulated or overwhelmed, or a potential easy target.

I agree that 90% of the girls were "meh" as you put it. Not that special. Some possible doable girls though, and that is all I can expect from anywhere.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1880584]

Firstly did a slow walk on Cowboy to check the talent of the girls out the front. Can be a good indicator, or better than the talent inside. Did not find any Coyote that was as good looking as two I previously met at Mercury, Palm and Faai. Moved on to Nana and decided to look in Mandarin both Downstairs and Upstairs. Upstairs I thought the girls were just a little better so I stayed just a little longer. Neither bar was at all busy. Maybe 20 girls at each, but less than 10 customers. None of the Coyotes really did proper Coyote dancing, so I regard them as fake Coyotes. No one stunning at either place. Some okay Girls but not really many were slim but curvy and were missing the nose job. Disappointing really. I believe Mandarin was a better bar in the past, talent wise.

Time was getting on so I decided it was an ideal time to check out the Thermae. Arrived after 11 PM. There is plenty of space to move around. Not like the original Thermae, 24 years ago which was smaller inside and so packed that you were forced to be close to lots of other people. There were a lot of girls, maybe 50, maybe more, and somewhat less men. Maybe 20 to 30 Japanese types and maybe about 8 Farangs. I think Farangs were probably doing okay I certainly saw one Farang chat up a girl and they left together. She was moderately cute in the face but shortish and body just a little thicker than my taste around the thighs, small tits. Many girls were conservatively dressed. I am not keen when they wear dresses that hide the size of the thighs and also cover the tits completely.

I could see that the vast majority of the girls were rather flat chested. This is not a problem for me, if I know the tits are at least beautifully shaped A cups and not saggy. Of course with the girl dressed, I just cannot tell. There were some big tits with a high proportion of those likely silicones. Not many girls were dressing sexy so as to expose much of of the breast flesh.

I preferred girls wearing shorts, as it covers legs and ass less. There were a few girls with cutish faces, maybe 6 girls where faces were of moderate interest and that includes some rather dark skinned girls. However it wasn't clear whether any of those girls had a really great body. One or two girls were dressed in tight clothes with a clearly very hot body, good waist to thigh ratio and slim legs and some reasonable cleavage. One of those was spoiled by a beak like nose job. The other just not that pretty.

No girl in the whole place immediately jumped out to me as being obviously stunning, and clearly a great body. It's tougher to tell with over dressed girls. If I was really wanting a fuck, I am sure I would have found something quite okay With probable compromise on the quality of the body. Not willing to take an ugly nose job girls.

I did not see any guys groping girls to check out their bodies. Most guys were acting very polite. Not sure any girl was an obvious challenge to my favourites from elsewhere. It's much harder when you don't know them and haven't had large amounts of time to study each one, my norm when choosing undressed bargirls. However the place was more interesting to me the Mandarin bars. I may well come back and try to find a stunner, possibly would turn up a bit earlier in case the best girls were already gone.

No one in the place would have been competition for exquisite Donut at CH, and possibly not even for Noi at Easy Bar.

It's very hard to compare conservatively dressed girls with naked girls at a go go bar. When girls are naked revealing a great body, they suddenly look so much more enticing, even if many of the faces are not that incredible. I have to assume that conservative dressing is hiding a rather average body until proven otherwise, being a bit of a pessimist.

To gamble on over-dressed girls or not? Can any sort of cuddling realistically go on before choosing to gauge what is underneath? Maybe not feasible.

Percentage of girls with silicones? I would say that was low. Most girls relatively flat chested.

Percentage of girls with nose jobs? I would guess probably 60% to 70%, without doing a proper survey. Good looking nose jobs, who knows? If I can see it is a nose job very easily, that means its an ugly one, generally.

Did I say anything unrealistic, Mr. smooT hiE? I am sure a variety of views are welcome.[/QUOTE]Only around 50 girls in Thermae seems quite a bit lower than the number of girls I've seen there on an approximate 9:30 pm arrival recently. Might have been a light night alrogether.

Thermae girls are Freelancers, of course, so I think it is realistic to assume a FL's body will not be a challenge to a popular go-go dancer's body, much less the bodies of the 2-3 better bodied girls in one of the most popular all-nude (mostly) go-go bars in the world. Highly unlikely to impossible to encounter or expect such a thing. IMO. Flatter chested, certainly to be expected.

Don't know or care much about the nose jobs, but 60-70% of the 50 or so girls in Thermae having had one seems quite high. Possible though. And I would say Thermae girls might dress more conservatively than FLs who stroll the streets. But I have not been put off by the bodies of the girls I have taken there recently. In fact, I have been pleased with them. I tend to prefer good, trim, well proportioned bodies that I can see before committing, too (which is one reason I don't go to Thermae all that often, only about 4-5 times over as many months). But when I do I only chose girls who are standing, not sitting on a stool hiding what is likely an abundance of issues, and if they are either wearing very short pants, tight short skirts or form-fitting long pants.

I happened to take a girl from upstairs Mandarin last night. Got there about 9 pm and she was expecting me because I had replied to her Line messages that I would. She was a repeat for me. She was also one of their "special" girls, "show" girls or whatever they call them there. Like you, I don't consider them genuine Coyotes. Not in terms of dancing and not in terms of them only hustling lady drinks but not barfining. They barfine. But the payment to the bar is 1500 baht instead of 700 baht and not the ridiculous 3000 baht barfine I have had cited for genuine Coyotes elsewhere. In my experience there, that additional 800 baht to the bar has not felt wasted at all considering the results I've enjoyed.

Is it possible a 3000 baht barfine would provide even MORE spectacular results? Lol. I have no personal testimony to offer on that. But I doubt it since we are, IMO, talking about the difference between a genuine Coyote who rarely if ever expects to have to exchange sex for money and a "special/show" girl who does so on nearly a nightly basis.

Usually, I don't have a problem in there. But I have taken several girls from there recently, it was not very busy, and plenty of girls, though no one to write home about, so it may have been some extenuating circumstances. However, There was a whiff of desperation going on. Maybe this is the start of off-season?

I generally never agree to more than 2 k in there though made an exception for the 3 some last weekend. It's funny but my first two times with girls from BB during the winter of 2015 were lousy. I almost decided not to go again but gave it one more shot and I have been quite pleased and happy with the experience virtually every time going forward. I do try to stay clear of the girls I see in there consistently.

I was talking to one of my friends in there last week and he agreed with me about one of the girls I had a bad experience with as he had the same. However, she is still in there virtually every night pulling unsuspecting guys out for a most likely miserable time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1880781]I did not find a great deal of difficulty in getting eye contact, or girls to show some interest at Thermae, perhaps not every girl was interested. There is a trend there that girls do not go round hassling guys too much. That is just the standard. They don't want to look too brazen. There experience shows it is easier to wait for a guy to show interest.

If at Bangkok Beat, you are inundated with girls approaching you, that you had to sit on the porch. That is bad and annoying. Thermae is better. It is no flattery for girls (or LBs) to be that interested. It shows they think you might be a sucker, that can manipulated or overwhelmed, or a potential easy target.

I agree that 90% of the girls were "meh" as you put it. Not that special. Some possible doable girls though, and that is all I can expect from anywhere.[/QUOTE]

Since I did not see many attractive girls and the ones I did see either feigned disinterest or were focused on the boys from the rising sun, I only had one drink and left for greener pastures. And they do dress pretty dowdy in there, not even sexy shorts or blouses for the most part.

But I suppose if that's your thing, you may stumble on a little gem.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1880781]I did not find a great deal of difficulty in getting eye contact,

I agree that 90% of the girls were "meh" as you put it. Not that special. Some possible doable girls though, and that is all I can expect from anywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Haven123;1880734]So, soon I will be heading to BKK after 16 nights in Patts. The last time I was in BKK was more than 10 years ago (I came to Patts straight from the airport).

I will have 4 nights (but I don't drink the day before a long flight as my actual flight time will be about 18 hours and more like 24 hours door to door to JFK).

[/QUOTE]Here are a few suggestions. I was in BKK in December and visited these places. I found noen was as good as Ibar though.

Levels is good. Especially on the weekends. Btut can be kind of slow. A lot of older girls. But some younger gems can be found. Most girls warm up with a few drinks at Oskar, a bar / restaurant across the street first so that is a good place for a pre-party.

Mixx was very good. A nice selection of girls. I'd definitely recommend. Also some girls from CIS, Latin America, etc. Interesting place. I will definitely spend more time there.

Climaxx is just OK. I pulled a real hottie there who is a massage girl by day at Lords Massage (an upper end Massage place). So gems can be found. But overall quality of the girls is so so. Plus they charge a cover.

Insomnia is nothing likes its namesake in Patts. Huge and vacuous and I found it difficult to even find a girl I thought was mildly attractive the 2 times I went.

Hidden gem (especially if you like hip hop) there is a little hip hop club on Soi 11. It;'s in the opposite side of the street from climax. Closer to Sukhumvit. A lot of fun and some cute. Less hard core, young girls there. I think you would like it. I don't remember the name, but you can PM and I will give you more details on how to get ther.

I hope this list helps.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880763]I went to the Sugar Club on Soi 11 last Saturday. Crowded with lots of young people dancing and mingling. Not my style as don't like hip hop all that much but sounds like you do. There were some hot girls there but I got rejected a few times due to my age, which does not happen very often to me in Bangkok. Of course, rejection rates decline as the early morning hours increase. This place stays open until 7 am or so I am told.

But this Friday may be problematic as to their hours as the Buddha holiday on May 20 may impair their normal operating times.

Speaking of which, I spoke to Bangkok Beat manager last night and he said they are closed on Thursday starting that evening and stay closed until Friday at midnight. They don't want to jeopardize their license by being open at all on May 20.

I stopped in Thermae last night about 10 pm and about 10% of punters were westerners with the rest Japanese of various ages. Felt like an awkward high school mixer with the girls lined up on the perimeter of the space. Found most to be 'meh' and not a lot of eye contact. I stood directky in front of one gal with quite supple and large looking breasts and failed at any eye contact whatsoever. I actually found it more interesting sitting outside on the steps watching girls exit and entry not to mention the street traffic.
That being said, I think one could find someone here though wonder about their overall English skills though I did overhear one girl taking in English to an older Japanese guy so maybe that is the lengua franca here.

Compare that to Bangkok Beat last night where I was inundated with girls approaching me to the point I finally left to sit outside on the porch. Maybe they heard about my epic threesome from a few nights ago.555

One girl who I have taken a couple of times approached me to say she was leaving this holiday weekend and implored me to take her for 3 k baht to finance her trip. When I declined by pleading poverty, she quickly reduced to 2 k baht; an offer I also declined. Basically, the thrill is gone with this one.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Tomasb, I did look at some YouTube videos of Bangkok Beat. I usually don't get going until after 1 am usually, so, if Bangkok Beat plans to open after midnight on Friday the 20th (did I read you right?), I will definitely check it out. The only thing I've heard is that it is full of pro FL's and not so many of the occasional FL's. ( but so is Insomnia in Patts ) .Am I correct with my take on this place?

So. Yeah might have to try Soi 11 as well. But I hope to hear of more clubs that I should check out. THanks again, TomasB.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1880827]Here are a few suggestions. I was in BKK in December and visited these places. I found noen was as good as Ibar though.

Levels is good. Especially on the weekends. Btut can be kind of slow. A lot of older girls. But some younger gems can be found. Most girls warm up with a few drinks at Oskar, a bar / restaurant across the street first so that is a good place for a pre-party.

Mixx was very good. A nice selection of girls. I'd definitely recommend. Also some girls from CIS, Latin America, etc. Interesting place. I will definitely spend more time there.

[/QUOTE]Dunk you berry much Mon.! However, when in BKK, zero interest in CIS or Latin Chicas, so let's see. In addition to Bangkok Beat, I will check out Levels and Mixx too. Will update after.

Yes, that is correct. The manager told me that Bangkok Beat reopens their doors at midnight on May 21 (Sat morning). Also, you can still find non pro FL'S in BB and the occasional Thai tourist. I picked up a lady from Chiang Mai earlier this winter who owned a restaurant and a house in CM. No cost, of course, though I consider that a one off. Also, found a younger gal who did not want payment but became a screen scratcher after several 'free' dates.

But a lot of them are full on pros even though they deny it. I took one girl home two weeks ago and she told that it was her 3rd time in there. Every night since, I have seen her there. So in short, it's a Def mixed bag.

I need to go to Mix sometime to search out those Latinas since I speak Spanish. That might be fun!

Another club, though quite upscale, is Kuteda located at the top of a high rise near the W Hotel. I met a gorgeous girl last week in BB who says she likes Thursday because they have free flow champagne for the girls. Double check their hours due to the holiday.

I have been to Oscars and it's a cool bar but the girls appear to charge significantly more due to the venues ambience.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880813] And they do dress pretty dowdy in there, not even sexy shorts or blouses for the most part.

But I suppose if that's your thing, you may stumble on a little gem.[/QUOTE]I agree with dowdy dress, and it certainly is not my thing, as I already wrote. I like girls to be as naked as possible for best choosing. I did comment girls were rather too conservative looking (see my review of Thermae) and timid. I hate very well hidden bodies that could turn out to be disaster sites, or perhaps just very saggy stuff. However I don't need girls to be all over me. I am prepared to approach girls if I like them, and then see if there is favourable chemistry. Girls are not busy trying to wink or wave to everyone, thank heavens. I prefer more natural behavior.

Interesting change in tone these days regarding the girls at Thermae. It used to be more like, "As freelancers go, the girls at Thermae tend to be better than most. But the Japanese have that market cornered and those girls just don't want me. "

But since the word is out that Thermae girls are paying a bit more attention to potential farang customers and giving them a whirl, with no apparent decline in Japanese customer interest in them BTW, the tone seems to have changed to something more like, "Thermae girls? Meh. I don't see much there worth my time. "

LOL. Ah, human nature.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880847]Yes, that is correct. The manager told me that Bangkok Beat reopens their doors at midnight on May 21 (Sat morning). Also, you can still find non pro FL'S in BB and the occasional Thai tourist. I picked up a lady from Chiang Mai earlier this winter who owned a restaurant and a house in CM. No cost, of course, though I consider that a one off. Also, found a younger gal who did not want payment but became a screen scratcher after several 'free' dates.

But a lot of them are full on pros even though they deny it. I took one girl home two weeks ago and she told that it was her 3rd time in there. Every night since, I have seen her there. So in short, it's a Def mixed bag.

I need to go to Mix sometime to search out those Latinas since I speak Spanish. That might be fun!

Another club, though quite upscale, is Kuteda located at the top of a high rise near the W Hotel. I met a gorgeous girl last week in BB who says she likes Thursday because they have free flow champagne for the girls. Double check their hours due to the holiday.

I have been to Oscars and it's a cool bar but the girls appear to charge significantly more due to the venues ambience.[/QUOTE]You got to check out Mixx and Spasso my regular Colombian girl has 8-10 friends all of who when in BKK do the Spasso and Mixx scene and man if you can speak Spanish I envy you there will be some free flow of Colombian pussy for you for sure.

Cheers

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1880855]Interesting change in tone these days regarding the girls at Thermae. It used to be more like, "As freelancers go, the girls at Thermae tend to be better than most. But the Japanese have that market cornered and those girls just don't want me. "

But since the word is out that Thermae girls are paying a bit more attention to potential farang customers and giving them a whirl, with no apparent decline in Japanese customer interest in them BTW, the tone seems to have changed to something more like, "Thermae girls? Meh. I don't see much there worth my time. "

LOL. Ah, human nature.[/QUOTE]Thanks to both of you for your info re Thermae. Since I prefer girls who dress well and dance well, and like to see them in form, before I talk to them, I believe Thermae is not for me. Let the Japanese guys have them.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880847]Yes, that is correct. The manager told me that Bangkok Beat reopens their doors at midnight on May 21 (Sat morning). Also, you can still find non pro FL'S in BB and the occasional Thai tourist. I picked up a lady from Chiang Mai earlier this winter who owned a restaurant and a house in CM. No cost, of course, though I consider that a one off. Also, found a younger gal who did not want payment but became a screen scratcher after several 'free' dates.

But a lot of them are full on pros even though they deny it. I took one girl home two weeks ago and she told that it was her 3rd time in there. Every night since, I have seen her there. So in short, it's a Def mixed bag.

I need to go to Mix sometime to search out those Latinas since I speak Spanish. That might be fun!

Another club, though quite upscale, is Kuteda located at the top of a high rise near the W Hotel. I met a gorgeous girl last week in BB who says she likes Thursday because they have free flow champagne for the girls. Double check their hours due to the holiday.

I have been to Oscars and it's a cool bar but the girls appear to charge significantly more due to the venues ambience.[/QUOTE]Thanks again, Tomasb. I will call and check before I go to BB. One thing is that later in the night, I actually prefer a live DJ vs. A live band, because no matter how good a band is, they may not do a perfect rendition of all the songs they play. But, with a DJ and the original track with a great sound system and dance floor, I would be more at home.

Also, because of that mindset, upscale bars and Kudeta places are not for me. Maybe that's why I get along better with the younger girls because they are mostly not into ambiance bars and upscale bars, but girls just want to let loose and have fun.

So, I will have to find those kinds of places with only a small percentage of pros, because it's always good to have back-ups and fallback options; and I will only be partying in BKK for 3 nights vs. 15 nights in Patts.

Anyone have any info on Korean escorts working in Koreatown bars?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1880778]While I don't want to pay a 3000 Baht barfine I have paid 1500 Baht BF. Fucked up analogies prove nothing at all. A girl is not a car or a round of golf. If she were a car, one would easily see the Suzuki and Mercedes have different prices. There are different levels of quality. We can't expect every level of quality to be the same price. Ugly girls realistically have to sell themselves cheaper, to get any takers. A stunning girl can be a higher price and still pulls customers in within a few minutes. These are the unfortunate realities. The prettiest girls are generally not working in the Oilies because they don't make enough money per fuck, or they need more flexibility to work when they feel like it. They can do better elsewhere.

I accept that the type of girls I am looking for, usually do not go for the very lowest prices. I also know they can be a lot less than 8 K for the night in the right place. Anyway the simple fact is prices for all girls are not identical. Everyone has to make their own decision whether the girl is value for money, based on what is available and where. If a stunning girl costs me 3 K and very average looking girl costs only 2 k, am I going to take the 2 k girl? No I don't. I just can't be bothered to waste my money on average girls. If I have two equally stunning girls on offer, sure I will take the one that is much cheaper.

Most of the Coyote girls in Cowboy and Nana are pretty ordinary looking girls that are not worth a high barfine. Simply putting on a Coyote outfit does not improve them. There is the danger of Coyote's bras hiding crappy tits too. I have met the odd stunning exception, where I would be prepared to pay a slightly higher BF. Usually the BF has dropped to a lower price after midnight. The other option as someone mentioned is to try to meet her after work without BF.

Not every monger is looking for the cheapest possible fuck all the time.

For an analogy, I get my dentistry done in Thailand because it is way cheaper than in my home country. However I do not take the absolute cheapest possible dentist available. The dentist qualifications, training, equipment, and skills can matter. I don't monger in my home country any more because it's too pricey, too lousy, don't like girls born in the home country, and don't get enough time. However again I don't take the cheapest possible. My criteria is a bit different.

Apparently Mr. ManGuy thought 8 K was a good deal for all night with a stunning girl. I am sure it was a hell of lot less money than what would cost in his home country, and hence his comment. Sure it might not be the best deal he could do. I have never paid that much total for LT. An Escort would be costing that much. So it's merely a question of if she is special enough to be worth it, or just another average girl, under the undeserved label of an "Escort".

All these money debates get incredibly boring. However I concede Mr. Man Guy brings the controversy on himself by insisting on talking about the prices too much. He would be far better off to shut up about the prices.[/QUOTE]Paying the same farmer's daughter 4 times what she made just a few years ago for the same mediocre service does not make sense to me. Want more money, raise your game. I think the analogies are spot on. We are purchasing a service, and the more you pay the more you expect to get. Better looks, better service, better company, etc. In my estimation it seems the more we are paying the less we are getting and there are lots of dudes who seem to be ok with it. I would have no issue paying 3, 4, 5 k whatever for an amazingly stunning gal with a very well developed skill set who was polished in the art of seduction, dressed in lingerie, and provided a truly first class experience. Hell, I can get that in my home country for a couple hundred bucks. Why would I want to pay even half that for a sort of cute gal who really does not know her way around the bedroom? The answer is I wouldn't. What is that kind of short romp with an unskilled farmer's daughter worth to me? About 1 k baht. S Boton has the price right. Show me a Ferrari and I'll pay the price. Honestly, in my many years here I have maybe had one or two Ferraris. Most are Toyota Vios. They get you to your destination and that is about it.
Do most guys even know the value of money here? 2k is quite a bit of money. She makes that every day then she is averaging over 50k a month. The average salary in BKK is 18k per month. That is almost 3 times average. Many MBAs don't make that here. Exactly why we should expect and demand good service for our money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1880855]Interesting change in tone these days regarding the girls at Thermae. It used to be more like, "As freelancers go, the girls at Thermae tend to be better than most. But the Japanese have that market cornered and those girls just don't want me. "

But since the word is out that Thermae girls are paying a bit more attention to potential farang customers and giving them a whirl, with no apparent decline in Japanese customer interest in them BTW, the tone seems to have changed to something more like, "Thermae girls? Meh. I don't see much there worth my time. "

LOL. Ah, human nature.[/QUOTE]In my eyes looks have been on the decline for a couple of years. Two to three years ago there were lots of great looking Japanese only gals in Thermae and the Japanese would accept no less. Now I see them with gals I would not even consider. Times they are a changing.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1880871]Thanks again, Tomasb. I will call and check before I go to BB. One thing is that later in the night, I actually prefer a live DJ vs. A live band, because no matter how good a band is, they may not do a perfect rendition of all the songs they play. But, with a DJ and the original track with a great sound system and dance floor, I would be more at home.

Also, because of that mindset, upscale bars and Kudeta places are not for me. Maybe that's why I get along better with the younger girls because they are mostly not into ambiance bars and upscale bars, but girls just want to let loose and have fun.

So, I will have to find those kinds of places with only a small percentage of pros, because it's always good to have back-ups and fallback options; and I will only be partying in BKK for 3 nights vs. 15 nights in Patts.[/QUOTE]When you find these places man, upscale classy normal girls do enlighten me also, I have been looking for them since ages and on the lookout for these places I went to Oskar, Spasso, Ce la vie, levels but all are filled with hardcore pros I look for women who want to enjoy and then when she is happy its amazing copulation between a male and a female organism. That is what I like the preference for uninhibited sex between two individuals no race no creed no looks nothing comes in between only pure lust and that also there is so much desperation to fuck the women literally tears your clothes she only wants your flesh and a dick to subside her burning desire wallaah.

I can be wrong but that's what I like and I think its what you are also looking for if I am not wrong or maybe 25% here or there.

Cheers: Keep on hunting and then maybe lets see who finds a new place first.

Alex

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1880910]Do most guys even know the value of money here? 2k is quite a bit of money. She makes that every day then she is averaging over 50k a month. The average salary in BKK is 18k per month. That is almost 3 times average. Many MBAs don't make that here. Exactly why we should expect and demand good service for our money.[/QUOTE]It always amazes me when punters come to this website for intel and advice; then once received cling to their naive pre-conceived notions. To each their own but my advice: When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1880658]You still don't get it. I'll try again:

Lets take golf: a round costs $200 where you come from, and $50 in Thailand. Would you gladly volunteer to pay $200 in Bangkok anyway because that is what you are used to paying? Would that be an ok price for you?

Dude I'm not trying to be combative; just pointing out how illogical your reasoning is.

SL.[/QUOTE]It's a fair point. In my home, that extra money is going to higher cost of living. Which in turn means better infrastructure. Since the infrastructure in Bangkok / Thailand is much lower / broken, paying $200 for "golf" is a ripoff. . Pay $200 to have sex with someone in a third world country. ?

[QUOTE=Haven123;1880865]Thanks to both of you for your info re Thermae. Since I prefer girls who dress well and dance well, and like to see them in form, before I talk to them, I believe Thermae is not for me. Let the Japanese guys have them.[/QUOTE]Absolutely so. If someone must see scantily clad girls or naked girls or dancing girls before choosing them, he would be wasting his time shopping for Freelancers in a pub, a bar, a restaurant, standing on Sukhumvit or Soi 4 or just about anywhere else for that matter, other than possibly a disco.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1880930]When you find these places man, upscale classy normal girls do enlighten me also, I have been looking for them since ages and on the lookout for these places I went to Oskar, Spasso, Ce la vie, levels but all are filled with hardcore pros I look for women who want to enjoy and then when she is happy its amazing copulation between a male and a female organism. That is what I like the preference for uninhibited sex between two individuals no race no creed no looks nothing comes in between only pure lust and that also there is so much desperation to fuck the women literally tears your clothes she only wants your flesh and a dick to subside her burning desire wallaah.

I can be wrong but that's what I like and I think its what you are also looking for if I am not wrong or maybe 25% here or there.

Cheers: Keep on hunting and then maybe lets see who finds a new place first.

Alex[/QUOTE]Right on dude! However, I don't much care for upscale bars. I much prefer middle class dance clubs where the younger generation and college going gals like to go. Anyways, I'll only have 3 nights to check out the scene, and I'll post my experience after. But I will also check out places like BBeat later in the night, as a fall back option.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1880955]It always amazes me when punters come to this website for intel and advice; then once received cling to their naive pre-conceived notions. To each their own but my advice: When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

SL.[/QUOTE]Agreed Sun, but truth be told, most don't live here and they just can't wrap their heads around the real economic situation in the developing world as it is such a contrast to theirs. BKK attracts two week millionaires far more than any other destination in Asia. The overpaying issue is really not as much a problem in Jakarta or Manila, because most of the expats are there for work, there are very few tourists, and guys don't really retire there. So the P4 P scene reflects to local economy a bit more than it does here.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1880930]When you find these places man, upscale classy normal girls do enlighten me also, I have been looking for them since ages and on the lookout for these places I went to Oskar, Spasso, Ce la vie, levels but all are filled with hardcore pros I look for women who want to enjoy and then when she is happy its amazing copulation between a male and a female organism. That is what I like the preference for uninhibited sex between two individuals no race no creed no looks nothing comes in between only pure lust and that also there is so much desperation to fuck the women literally tears your clothes she only wants your flesh and a dick to subside her burning desire wallaah.

I can be wrong but that's what I like and I think its what you are also looking for if I am not wrong or maybe 25% here or there.

Cheers: Keep on hunting and then maybe lets see who finds a new place first.

Alex[/QUOTE]The vast majority of "upscale classy normal" girls here are looking for Thai dudes. Most are not interested in Farang. That being said, if you are looking for 20 somethings you might have a shot at, head for Route 66 in RCA. Most women in their late 20's are kind of over the dance club thing. If you want to meet professional Thai women head for the restaurants and bars in Thonglor. Again, most won't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on you if you are on fire, but you never know. All in all nightlife in BKK has been on the wane since the coup and the subsequent economic downturn. Restaurants are no longer full during the week and bars are suffering. Folks don't have as much disposable income.

And really dude, you can chase regular girls back home. Leave the ego on the airplane and enjoy some P4 P fun in BKK.

Many bars will close Friday for Wisaaka Bucha, but it is suggested that Crazy House will operate as normal, since they seem to be able to get round the law sometimes. Today Crazy House was absolutely packed out between 9. 30 and 10.30 PM. Many guys hunting for a seat and having to stand around. No idea why a Tuesday should be quite so busy. It seems like it is time for them to extend this bar into the Old Dutch Ship premises however the lease there hasn't reached it's termination date as yet. So not sure when the expansion will happen.

Line up was not quite top with some extra hot girls girls missing. Ging was working and due to period not quite finished, did not want to be barfined. First time I ever saw her dance really sexy style, since she had a few tequilas in her. Normally she is very shy on the stage. I did not find any girl that inspired me to BF. Again a very slow pass through Soi Cowboy did not find any stunning girls out the front of the bars, so I moved on.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1880847]I need to go to Mix sometime to search out those Latinas since I speak Spanish. That might be fun![/QUOTE]That will not be fun at all. Those plastic surgeried up Colombians want 5000 baht, when I can get them for an equivalent of 500 baht in Colombia. I speak Spanish too, but they could give a shit about that. They speak money.

Point taken.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1881185]That will not be fun at all. Those plastic surgeried up Colombians want 5000 baht, when I can get them for an equivalent of 500 baht in Colombia. I speak Spanish too, but they could give a shit about that. They speak money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1881010]The vast majority of "upscale classy normal" girls here are looking for Thai dudes. Most are not interested in Farang. That being said, if you are looking for 20 somethings you might have a shot at, head for Route 66 in RCA. Most women in their late 20's are kind of over the dance club thing. If you want to meet professional Thai women head for the restaurants and bars in Thonglor. Again, most won't Code Word on you if you are on fire, but you never know. All in all nightlife in BKK has been on the wane since the coup and the subsequent economic downturn. Restaurants are no longer full during the week and bars are suffering. Folks don't have as much disposable income.

And really dude, you can chase regular girls back home. Leave the ego on the airplane and enjoy some P4 P fun in BKK.[/QUOTE]You mentioned Thonglor so I wanted to recommend a place, The Commons, located on Soi 17 off Soi 55 in Thonglor (Soi 17 is a longish walk but short taxi ride from Thonglor Bts station / Soi 55). The Commons is the kind of place one can meet young, attractive, professional Thai / Asian girls after their usual workday, say around 6 PM in a very casual dining setting. It is a collection of eateries on 3 levels from, believe it or not, Soul Food to the very popular Roast on the top floor. Farangs are likely to be way outnumbered by Thai / Asians (Japanese, Singaporean, Korean, etc.) living, working, travel working, staying in the area's hotels, so you will be noticed and, in my experience, in a positive way.

This is the kind of place you will usually see a bench-style table full of lovely, non-shy, well-educated, professional Thai girls enjoying (Peppino's) pizza, bbq beef ribs and more than a couple of brews after daytime work hours with a ready smile and willing if not eager to engage in English with a well presented farang rather than circling a half dozen noodle bowls in a closed rap session about whose job it is to launder the towels this time.

The other day I merely said "Sawadee krup" to who I thought was a lovely Thai girl on the elevator. She turned around with a smile and in perfect English complimented me on my Thai. LOL. Right. But she wasn't Thai. She was Singaporean, on holiday with her girlfriends. It was her last night in Bangkok. After we stepped off the elevator we chatted a moment or two, exchanged numbers ostensibly so I would have a friendly contact should I travel to Singapore someday but that delayed plan didn't last long since contact was made for later that night instead. I relate that anecdote because that kind of immediate response and interest is not unusual in that place, whether it is a Thai girl, a Japanese girl or a Singaporean girl.

Some good food there, too. A couple of devoted dessert restaurants, one specializing in waffle creations. The food and ambiance is definitely western rather than Thai so I believe that is an indicator that the young professional girls who go there are more into round eyes than most.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1881228]You mentioned Thonglor so I wanted to recommend a place, The Commons, located on Soi 17 off Soi 55 in Thonglor (Soi 17 is a longish walk but short taxi ride from Thonglor Bts station / Soi 55). The Commons is the kind of place one can meet young, attractive, professional Thai / Asian girls after their usual workday, say around 6 PM in a very casual dining setting. It is a collection of eateries on 3 levels from, believe it or not, Soul Food to the very popular Roast on the top floor. Farangs are likely to be way outnumbered by Thai / Asians (Japanese, Singaporean, Korean, etc.) living, working, travel working, staying in the area's hotels, so you will be noticed and, in my experience, in a positive way.

This is the kind of place you will usually see a bench-style table full of lovely, non-shy, well-educated, professional Thai girls enjoying (Peppino's) pizza, bbq beef ribs and more than a couple of brews after daytime work hours with a ready smile and willing if not eager to engage in English with a well presented farang rather than circling a half dozen noodle bowls in a closed rap session about whose job it is to launder the towels this time.

The other day I merely said "Sawadee krup" to who I thought was a lovely Thai girl on the elevator. She turned around and in perfect English complimented me on my Thai. LOL. Right. But she wasn't Thai. She was Singaporean, on holiday with her girlfriends, this was her last night in Bangkok, we exchanged numbers ostensibly so I would have a friendly contact should I travel to Singapore someday but that delayed plan didn't last long since contact was made for later that night instead. I relate that anecdote because that kind of immediate response and interest is not unusual in that place, whether it is a Thai girl, a Japanese girl or a Singaporean girl.

Some good food there, too.[/QUOTE]The Commons is quite nice. Great variety of food and Roots Coffee moved there from Ekkamai. The dudes who do Roast and Roots are responsible for The Commons. I will also say that the food is not too pricey. And yes, always some amazing eye candy there.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1881232]The Commons is quite nice. Great variety of food and Roots Coffee moved there from Ekkamai. The dudes who do Roast and Roots are responsible for The Commons. I will also say that the food is not too pricey. And yes, always some amazing eye candy there.[/QUOTE]Ah! You know it already. I find it a nice change from the more structured restaurant scene. Not a bad place to bring a girl, too. I have yet to meet a Thai girl (talking about non-bargirl professionals) away from that immediate area who is aware of it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1881237]Ah! You know it already. I find it a nice change from the more structured restaurant scene. Not a bad place to bring a girl, too. I have yet to meet a Thai girl (talking about non-bargirl professionals) away from that immediate area who is aware of it.[/QUOTE]Besides a monger, I am a bit of a foodie, coffee nut, and beer snot. Also lucky to have a couple of travel / food writers among my close circle of friends who not only tell me about these mainstream places but we also go to amazing hole in the wall places all over the city. Bangkok has to be one of the best food destinations on the planet. Too bad so many dudes don't get out of the lower Suk area. Aside from the Middle Eastern food on 3/1, the area is pretty bad for food.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1881185]That will not be fun at all. Those plastic surgeried up Colombians want 5000 baht, when I can get them for an equivalent of 500 baht in Colombia. I speak Spanish too, but they could give a shit about that. They speak money.[/QUOTE]1. Yeah, quite pointless to go after Latina Chicas outside of their home country, IMO too.

2. Unlike Mr ENT I don't speak much Spanish, but I think, maybe, just maybe, I do just a bit better than him in some Latin Countries. JK Mr. ENT! Haha.

Actually, I think Peru is way better than Colombia, as the Colombians are sometimes risky in many ways, IMO. Peru gets way less Americans and so the novelty factor is a bit more in my favor I think.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1881275]Besides a monger, I am a bit of a foodie, coffee nut, and beer snot. Also lucky to have a couple of travel / food writers among my close circle of friends who not only tell me about these mainstream places but we also go to amazing hole in the wall places all over the city. Bangkok has to be one of the best food destinations on the planet. Too bad so many dudes don't get out of the lower Suk area. Aside from the Middle Eastern food on 3/1, the area is pretty bad for food.[/QUOTE]I second you on that Bangkok is one of the best food destinations on this planet, you just need to find the right places, there is so much variety of food even I get puzzled sometimes what to eat where to eat. For us it is only the malls and even those places have endless restaurants and then huge menu's you are spoilt to the core.

I am so much a fan of trying new places and new food menus and a variety of cocktails I just love new places the ambiance the quality of interiors all this fascinates me and there are so many small small shops serving so exquisite menu even you get surprised sometimes, the best fried chicken I had till date is a small shop next to Davis Sukhumvit 24 it opens only on some nights the owner is the main chef himself and must be a rich Thai who opened the shop just out of his passion I can bet that these fried chicken can beat KFC chicken by 1 to 100 easily in taste.

Cheers.

Peru received about 3. 5 million tourists in 2015 as compared to Colombia receiving about 2 million. Of this amount, many are Latin American citizens visiting Cartagena, which receives more Latin American tourists than any other South American destination.

I lived in Peru for two years only a few short years ago and have traveled in Colombia extensively especially Cartagena. I have to say the Colombian women are infinitely more attractive than Peruvian who are invariably shorter with straight black Castilian hair. The variety of skin and hair colors plus different body types are much more varied in Colombia, plastic surgeries aside.

That being said, Thailand and BKK in particular, is the best of all. I was in Cartagena last fall and there is simply no comparison when compared with Thai women in terms of performance, looks, GFE etc.imho

I was amused to hear that some Colombianas are at Mixx and thought it might be fun to practice Spanish with them but not take them home at those inflated prices. The story also reminded me of a disco they literally took over in Lima from the Peru FL'S but it was for the worst as they jacked up the price and reduced the overall performance one used to receive there.

They were quite the mercenary bunch and found their service levels below what you would normally expect in their home country so 'caveat emptor' if you see them here
[QUOTE=Haven123;1881312]1. Yeah, quite pointless to go after Latina Chicas outside of their home country, IMO too.

2. Unlike Mr ENT I don't speak much Spanish, but I think, maybe, just maybe, I do just a bit better than him in some Latin Countries. JK Mr. ENT! Haha.

Actually, I think Peru is way better than Colombia, as the Colombians are sometimes risky in many ways, IMO. Peru gets way less Americans and so the novelty factor is a bit more in my favor I think.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1881335]That being said, Thailand and BKK in particular, is the best of all. I was in Cartagena last fall and there is simply no comparison when compared with Thai women.
[/QUOTE]I've been various times to Colombia, in Cartagena and other places. I can't say that Thai women look better than Colombians, or vice-versa. The average is pretty much the same: average. An hot Colombian will have your jaw drop, an hot Thai can be breath taking.

What is non debatable is that there are far more P4 P places in Thailand, and everything is easier, cheaper and safer. On the other hand when it comes to language and culture there is little difference between mine and Colombians, but as Mr E. said, is not that they give a fuck about that.

So for the time being I've chosen the first of the two worlds.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1881335]Peru received about 3. 5 million tourists in 2015 as compared to Colombia receiving about 2 million. Of this amount, many are Latin American citizens visiting Cartagena, which receives more Latin American tourists than any other South American destination.

I lived in Peru for two years only a few short years ago and have traveled in Colombia extensively especially Cartagena. I have to say the Colombian women are infinitely more attractive than Peruvian who are invariably shorter with straight black Castilian hair. The variety of skin and hair colors plus different body types are much more varied in Colombia, plastic surgeries aside.

That being said, Thailand and BKK in particular, is the best of all. I was in Cartagena last fall and there is simply no comparison when compared with Thai women in terms of performance, looks, GFE etc.imho

I was amused to hear that some Colombianas are at Mixx and thought it might be fun to practice Spanish with them but not take them home at those inflated prices. The story also reminded me of a disco they literally took over in Lima from the Peru FL'S but it was for the worst as they jacked up the price and reduced the overall performance one used to receive there.

They were quite the mercenary bunch and found their service levels below what you would normally expect in their home country so 'caveat emptor' if you see them here[/QUOTE]Agreed! Hands down Colombians are way, way prettier than the Peruvians, in the aggregate and on average. But, as you note they have trust issues, I think. And, they can be way aggressive and try to take you to the cleaners.

For me, since I am NOT so much into quantity. I just need 3-5 at any one time of good attractive (7's and 8's) who are GFE's.

I stay away from the,9's and 10's except in Sao Paulo. I dunno why! LOL.

I find that about the 7. 5 -8 works best for me, whether be in Thailand or in the Latin Countries (probably because I am now in my mid 50's now) and prefer chicas and Thais in their early 20 's to mid 20's.

Anyways, I am very certain that you are way more experienced than me, so YMMV.

Hahaha. After all this research, I've decided to spend 50 PC of my time in BKK with this Udon Thani girl (a petite 6. 5 ( a 3 on the tits like most Thais brings the score down) who is 27, a baby face and super GFE) I met here in Patts. Silly me! I am writing all this because Uncle V asked me to write detailed reports for his pleasure (or maybe pain). LOL.

Many of you will laugh at me, and rightly so. I just feel like she needs to see BKK as she has never been there. Been here in Patts for about a month, and some other city for a month, before her break up with her husband of 8 years. She did not even know I was headed out in 2 days as I keep everything on a strictly need to know basis. So, I just kinda asked and thought well what the heck. Let her see her own frickin number 1 city! Will have to buy out her missed days on her job here for 600 baht a day. No incremental cost for me really, as I'm taking a taxi and I've booked and paid for a hotel studio suite for 2 with full Buffett breakfast anyway. Will hit the Royal Palace and 1-2 of the top temples on Sat with her and send back via bus.

No worries though. There's like 0 PC chance I am going anywhere with this like GF or anything else. I'm just not the type at all. Zero. Nada. Zilch. As In never, ever. Plus, Thais are not my number one preferred type of gals, as I much prefer Latinas. This one is just a bit of giving back thingy I sometimes do, or at least I rationalize that way maybe! (but sometimes my personal 4 D local pocket universe seems to work in mysterious ways that even I sometimes do not understand, but that would be a super huge digression, so I will leave it at that!).

She's here sleeping in my bed as I type and tomorrow I already have my prior 20 yr old (a solid 7 and I'm a tough grader and never go past 9) massage girl from Ubon R returning to my apt here for another oil massage and she has already agreed to spend tomorrow night here with me again, I will send her off at about 11 am and and this girl here now will arrive at 1 pm.

Just doing this BKK thing with her in tow, because I kinda do the same thing in other countries. I try sometimes to let some of them see some of their own country that they have never had an opportunity to see. But, I will take her to BBeat and a couple of other places, as I have zero prior experience with these clubs and will also use it for observation purposes.

Hi there! Will be in BKK and Pattaya in some weeks, can't wait! However I would feel very uncomfortable being with a LB by mistake. Of course I realize they are everywhere and I read a lot here about how to distinguish them from normal girls. Sometimes it's certainly quite difficult. Now my question: are LBs in Thailand would we would refer as "shemales" or are they operated to the point that they have the same appearance as real girls? In other terms, once in your bed, how does it (generally) look?

In my next visit I plan to go to Spasso to watch the difference. I can afford the price there. Could mongers with experience at Spasso describe a bit how it works? Is it a dance club or more a club for drinks? I am 65, do'nt like to dance. Do girls approach you or do we have to do it? Am I too old for Spasso?

Thank you all in advance for relating more in details such type of stay, so I know how to behave.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1881369]In my next visit I plan to go to Spasso to watch the difference. I can afford the price there. Could mongers with experience at Spasso describe a bit how it works? Is it a dance club or more a club for drinks? I am 65, do'nt like to dance. Do girls approach you or do we have to do it? Am I too old for Spasso?

Thank you all in advance for relating more in details such type of stay, so I know how to behave.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you might be in need of a guide. I've got a buddy who lives in Bangkok and is fluent in Thai, he's from the states and is a teacher in Bangkok. He does travel to Pattaya but only on the weekends. It is something else to be sitting in a disco, watching the hot girls and just have him grab table full of girls to come over to enjoy the bottle we bought. He also taught another senior member here how to speak Thai and has been a tour guide to another so he's vetted by three senior posters. If you need his services send me a pm until he gets registered here.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1881369]In my next visit I plan to go to Spasso to watch the difference. I can afford the price there. Could mongers with experience at Spasso describe a bit how it works? Is it a dance club or more a club for drinks? I am 65, do'nt like to dance. Do girls approach you or do we have to do it? Am I too old for Spasso?

Thank you all in advance for relating more in details such type of stay, so I know how to behave.[/QUOTE]Don't you worry mate Spasso is made for only for you. Its a very nice cool relaxed bar no loud music till 12 am just live chilled out vibe. Loads of very classy Thai babes not young like the go go scene but the matured freelancers 25-35 but dressed very nicely and drinking only red or white wine so no need to worry.

Just go around 8 or 9 dress nicely just don't go in shorts and flip flops like Patts but like a decent gentleman sit at the bar order your drink tip the bar man or women and enjoy your drink and music and there will be women around you like bees like they surround the honey bee.

So relax chill and enjoy the music women will come up to every now and then if you are horny and want to fuck then you know the routine if you are relaxed then offer drink to the lady you like talk to her check her out feel her up see if the assets are up to your mark, if you like her offer her 1 more drink and then be more cosy she will speak her self act cool tell her no need to talk money baby I know everything and ask her you relax have your drink and we go together all night.

Tell her you are hungry but you want eat what she likes she will be more than happy just act cool relaxed super fucking rich and I bet you the night will be yours. Eat well or go to another club with her Mixx or Kudeta where ever she will take you or levels enjoy the night the atmosphere with her treat her like your GF or your lady hold hands kisses feel her up and you will have a super orgasm by the time you will be home.

And if you pop those vitamins do pop them after the dinner or when ever is your time and you are in for a ride of your life, everybody is your age in Spasso 50+ so don't worry.

Chill and cheers,

Alex

Since I will be staying by Soi 23 in Sukhumvit, and I have no clue about the area. Could anyone here suggest 3-4 dance clubs that are close by so that I can take some quick taxis?

I was thinking Bangkok Beat could be one of those? Or is it too far? How about Levels?

Btw, I'd much prefer a dance floor with a DJ and Hip Hop, Pop and Rap music numbers !

I think Bangkok Beat has a live band vs a DJ though ?

[QUOTE=Haven123;1881532]Since I will be staying by Soi 23 in Sukhumvit, and I have no clue about the area. Could anyone here suggest 3-4 dance clubs that are close by so that I can take some quick taxis?

I was thinking Bangkok Beat could be one of those? Or is it too far? How about Levels?

Btw, I'd much prefer a dance floor with a DJ and Hip Hop, Pop and Rap music numbers !

I think Bangkok Beat has a live band vs a DJ though ?[/QUOTE]Haven go to Soi 11. You have Oskar to start the night at 9-10 pm, then levels around 11-12 pm and then climax around 1-2 am then sugar around 3 am so 4 clubs all are within 5 minutes walking distance of each other and all decent freelancer action.

Or you can go Spasso ay around 11 pm and then walk over to Mixx at 2 am and Mixx is 2 clubs in 1 so you have 3 clubs again for the second night.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1881275]Besides a monger, I am a bit of a foodie, coffee nut, and beer snot. Also lucky to have a couple of travel / food writers among my close circle of friends who not only tell me about these mainstream places but we also go to amazing hole in the wall places all over the city. Bangkok has to be one of the best food destinations on the planet. Too bad so many dudes don't get out of the lower Suk area. Aside from the Middle Eastern food on 3/1, the area is pretty bad for food.[/QUOTE]Exactly. It's amazing how many tourists, in lots of places, don't stray from the tourist areas. BKK certainly has an amazing variety of outstanding food, especially street food. My biggest gripe is that, at the most interesting stalls, everything is written in Thai. So many things I'd try but unless there are pictures it's almost impossible to order. Even a transliteration would be OK, as I know the transliterations for most of the proteins (gai, ped, moo, etc.), the cooking techniques (ping, pad, tod, etc.), and others, enough to know what to expect if ordering a particular dish. I appreciate that the stands are locals-oriented, but even the smallest joints in Japan can come up with an English menu, when pressed.

These days my main enjoyment is never eating the same thing twice in Tijuana. On a smaller scale it has become a serious foodie destination. I can read Spanish, which helps immensely. Like BKK, there is a great noveau culinary scene and micro brews are hotter than a $2 piston among the young. But, as you said, most guys are scared to leave their comfort zone and broaden their horizons.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1881604]Haven go to Soi 11. You have Oskar to start the night at 9-10 pm, then levels around 11-12 pm and then climax around 1-2 am then sugar around 3 am so 4 clubs all are within 5 minutes walking distance of each other and all decent freelancer action.

Or you can go Spasso ay around 11 pm and then walk over to Mixx at 2 am and Mixx is 2 clubs in 1 so you have 3 clubs again for the second night.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Thanks so very much for your recommendation. I will have to do just that and figure out how and when to fit Bangkok Beat into all that! Levels looked great on You Tube. But generally, I don't like upscale places, so I will have to see if I like it as much. And I liked Bangkok Beat as well on You Tube. Seemed a bit more of a humble place and a bit less of the pretentious people with ego's. But, from what I gather largely pros.

I just want to meet non pros, or occasional pro FL's who are young and can / love to dance to pop, hip hop and rap. Sex is less important to me, as these days I find that for me it is more unidimesional and is mostly, okay ' been there, done that ' so frickin what( ? )...... BFD (I often say to myself).

So, these days unlike some others for whom (when it comes to women on the traveling circuit ) ' something is better than nothing' , I am firmly in the minority 'nothing is better than something' camp. I don't do short time! The intent always is more than 1 day/night as well. Quality of the totality of the experience trumps quantity,..and quantity is pretty much unimportant and I never keep score or look at trip and ask myself ' how many '?

And so, for me it is all about waking up and saying to myself I like this human being who I find next to me. Another friendly soul and consciousness. I have a rather evovled and complex radar honed over decades ( I would venture to say and certainly that debatable and can be easily and validly critiqued ).... But I can usually see through BS and I am quick to admit my mistake and cut my losses instantly and abruptly. So, for me, statistically speaking, things work out only occasionally and I am A- OK with that, as I much prefer ' nothing over something' 99 PC of my time.

I find in general that as I go upscale it reminds me of my life during my professional days and I hate to see people in suits anymore. Decades of wearing suits and living out of a suitecase turned me off later in life and I kinda hate who I was then. A friggin Wall Streeter.

Anyways, I love the common folks who are humble, peaceful and have humanity in their hearts. Luckily, there is one right next to me right now.... However, I want to meet others like her, here in Thailand and elsewhere.... knowing fully well that it is a rather low event probability occurrence.

Note : This is just what works for me....and I doubt it will for the vast majority of men, so without question YMMV...as it will.

A high end FL and I exchanged numbers recently and she texted me yesterday that I should meet her at a new place on Soi 45, which opened last November, called Sing Sing. She was going for a friends birthday party. I went over and can say that it's a fantastic looking club, very upscale, with a DJ, small dance floor and multi level spaces and floors. They clearly put a lot of money in it and it's unlike any other club in this area. I read it was designed based on old Chinese bordellos. You can also find a few reviews on Trip Advisor. I walked from the PhromPhong BTS station so it's possible to walk from Soi 23 (though a bit of a haul on a warm night) or take a taxi straight down Suk. It's tucked down in a small footpath directly past a furniture store located on Suk. They also have a dress code and frown on sandals and shorts for men.

However, drinks are not cheap. Most cocktails are in the 350 to 400 range. All the beers are listed at 180 bt, however, menu prices do not include tax and service so my Heineken cost 212 bt.

I saw a few Thai girls there though uncertain if they were FL's but if they were you can expect their quoted price to reflect the upscale nature of this place accordingly. There were more small groups than single guys or ladies and quite a few farangs, both men and women. Last night, it could have used more local talent but I think the drink prices scare a lot of Thai girls off.

My FL girl (who I wrote about last week in this thread dropping 10,000 baht on her mother's friend bachorlette party) was there but almost incoherent when I arrived. She was waiting outside the bathroom as her other friends attended to their mutual friend throwing up in the stall. She gave me a kiss and walked me outside from the hallway to a standing table. She asked me what I was doing there? -- 'uhh, you invited me'. Puzzled by her question, I looked for another chair for the table, and during this very short interlude some foreign guy showed up, clearly with her party, and took her upstairs to another part of the club and I did not see her again. It prob saved me a lot of baht in the long run but was pleased to find about this place so no big deal.

As far as BBeat and Levels is concerned, I think you would be pretty hot by the time you arrived if walking from Soi 23. If you take a taxi, the traffic would be proceeding on the opposite even numbered soi's on Suk necessitating a you-turn to get to Bangkok Beat on Soi 7/1. Returning to Soi 23 is easy as the traffic moves in that direction from BBeat and Soi 11.

To go to BBeat, I would take the BRT Sky Train from Asok -- a short walk from Soi 23 -- and get off at the next stop (Nana). BBeat is a short 2 minute walk from this location and the entry to Soi 11 is just steps away from the Nana stop. However, The BRT is only open until midnight. For your return take a taxi. There are many standing ones to choose from but grab one already driving on the road.

Bear in mind that Levels (and Oskars) is located at the end of Soi 11, which means about a 5-7 minute walk from the Nana stop. Also, BBangkok Beat is a live music club playing mostly formula dance hits. Some bands play AC / DC and Journey songs, while others play more contemporary tunes. There are two bands per night. I showed up at 2 am last night though and it was dreadful. The cupboard, so to speak, was picked clean.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1881604]Haven go to Soi 11. You have Oskar to start the night at 9-10 pm, then levels around 11-12 pm and then climax around 1-2 am then sugar around 3 am so 4 clubs all are within 5 minutes walking distance of each other and all decent freelancer action.

Or you can go Spasso ay around 11 pm and then walk over to Mixx at 2 am and Mixx is 2 clubs in 1 so you have 3 clubs again for the second night.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1881765]A high end FL and I exchanged numbers recently and she texted me yesterday that I should meet her at a new place on Soi 45, which opened last November, called Sing Sing. She was going for a friends birthday party. I went over and can say that it's a fantastic looking club, very upscale, with a DJ, small dance floor and multi level spaces and floors. They clearly put a lot of money in it and it's unlike any other club in this area. I read it was designed based on old Chinese bordellos. You can also find a few reviews on Trip Advisor. I walked from the PhromPhong BTS station so it's possible to walk from Soi 23 (though a bit of a haul on a warm night) or take a taxi straight down Suk. It's tucked down in a small footpath directly past a furniture store located on Suk. They also have a dress code and frown on sandals and shorts for men.

However, drinks are not cheap. Most cocktails are in the 350 to 400 range. All the beers are listed at 180 bt, however, menu prices do not include tax and service so my Heineken cost 212 bt.

I saw a few Thai girls there though uncertain if they were FL's but if they were you can expect their quoted price to reflect the upscale nature of this place accordingly. There were more small groups than single guys or ladies and quite a few farangs, both men and women. Last night, it could have used more local talent but I think the drink prices scare a lot of Thai girls off.

My FL girl (who I wrote about last week in this thread dropping 10,000 baht on her mother's friend bachorlette party) was there but almost incoherent when I arrived. She was waiting outside the bathroom as her other friends attended to their mutual friend throwing up in the stall. She gave me a kiss and walked me outside from the hallway to a standing table. She asked me what I was doing there? -- 'uhh, you invited me'. Puzzled by her question, I looked for another chair for the table, and during this very short interlude some foreign guy showed up, clearly with her party, and took her upstairs to another part of the club and I did not see her again. It prob saved me a lot of baht in the long run but was pleased to find about this place so no big deal.

As far as BBeat and Levels is concerned, I think you would be pretty hot by the time you arrived if walking from Soi 23. If you take a taxi, the traffic would be proceeding on the opposite even numbered soi's on Suk necessitating a you-turn to get to Bangkok Beat on Soi 7/1. Returning to Soi 23 is easy as the traffic moves in that direction from BBeat and Soi 11.

To go to BBeat, I would take the BRT Sky Train from Asok -- a short walk from Soi 23 -- and get off at the next stop (Nana). BBeat is a short 2 minute walk from this location and the entry to Soi 11 is just steps away from the Nana stop. However, The BRT is only open until midnight. For your return take a taxi. There are many standing ones to choose from but grab one already driving on the road.

Bear in mind that Levels (and Oskars) is located at the end of Soi 11, which means about a 5-7 minute walk from the Nana stop. Also, BBangkok Beat is a live music club playing mostly formula dance hits. Some bands play AC / DC and Journey songs, while others play more contemporary tunes. There are two bands per night. I showed up at 2 am last night though and it was dreadful. The cupboard, so to speak, was picked clean.[/QUOTE]Hey, mucho mas thanks Tomasb.

I will only be taking taxis. Because I cannot handle the heat! LOL. Yeah, I know it's Thailand.

1. So, for tomorrow, Sat and Sun night what do you think in terms of best times to go to BBeat vs Levels? I guess most places won't be open until after midnight tomorrow (Fri night / Sat am) due to the holiday and police permission?

2. And, going from Sukhumvit and Soi 23 , if I am going to BBeat, and want to avoid the traffic congestion and U turn requirement, where should I get off and walk across to the opposite side (is there like a landmark that when I see it I can ask the taxi driver to stop and get off) ?

3. On Friday, I think I'm going to stay close and not venture too far and see what quality I can find within close proximity.

4. I never head out usually before midnight. So I am planning on staying out each of the 3 nights from just after midnight until after 4 am, at least.

Based on the hip hop nature of the music, maybe I will also try the Sugar Club on Soi 11 based on your input.

Given the above, what would you recommend Tomas? Thanks, and I very appreciate your time and generous thoughts.

Tomasb thanks for the tip about Sing Sing. The place looks really cool. I just love the 1920's Shanghai speakeasy vibe. Though, my guess is that there wouldn't be too many FLs there. But it looks like a great place to take a girl you like, provided that she is a little classy. Byut who knows? Maybe the FL scene will get better there over time.

Haven, yes I would recommend you try Sugar. This was the place I was thinking about in the post I made with recommendations. It plays the best hip hop of any club I've been to in Thailand (believe it or not I know my hip hop). Much better than Ibar, 808, etc.

It gets a mixed and I'd say younger crowd. Not wall to wall FLs like Ibar, but some are available. I hooked up with a super cute 20 year old when I was there in December. I also saw some hot African girls thee too that were on the game and approached me when I went to the bar.

The only negative is that it is kind of small club and can get way too packed. And it only gets going very late at night (but the latter is no problem for a party animal like you). 555.

If coming from either Asok or Siam, ask the driver to drop you at the stairs leading up to the Nana stop. These stairs are open 24/7 and cross Suk. The Nana stop is SOI 8 or SOI 11 depending on your direction. BBeat really gets going around 11:30 most nights. During the week and Sunday's, local beer is 99 bt before midnight. As I noted in a prior post, BBeat opens at midnight Saturday morning and closes at 3 am. In fact, many bars will abide by these same hours so you may encounter some issues on Friday before midnight. Even an Alcocart owner told me they will not open Friday morning at midnight due to police concerns.

Sugar Club is open way pass 4 am so that's your best bet for a late night out.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1881775]Hey, mucho mas thanks Tomasb.

I will only be taking taxis. Because I cannot handle the heat! LOL. Yeah, I know it's Thailand.

1. So, for tomorrow, Sat and Sun night what do you think in terms of best times to go to BBeat vs Levels? I guess most places won't be open until after midnight tomorrow (Fri night / Sat am) due to the holiday and police permission?

2. And, going from Sukhumvit and Soi 23 , if I am going to BBeat, and want to avoid the traffic congestion and U turn requirement, where should I get off and walk across to the opposite side (is there like a landmark that when I see it I can ask the taxi driver to stop and get off) ?

3. On Friday, I think I'm going to stay close and not venture too far and see what quality I can find within close proximity.

4. I never head out usually before midnight. So I am planning on staying out each of the 3 nights from just after midnight until after 4 am, at least.

Based on the hip hop nature of the music, maybe I will also try the Sugar Club on Soi 11 based on your input.

Given the above, what would you recommend Tomas? Thanks, and I very appreciate your time and generous thoughts.[/QUOTE]

It's def gets the hoi-poi of Thai millennials.

I was there on a Wednesday night so it's possible that weekends attract a larger and more diverse crowd though this Friday could be problematic due to Buddha holiday. Taking a real classy girl, non-pro in particular, is highly recommended. Though kind of waste of money taking a pro here. After all, your already 'in'.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1881814]Tomasb thanks for the tip about Sing Sing. The place looks really cool. I just love the 1920's Shanghai speakeasy vibe. Though, my guess is that there wouldn't be too many FLs there. But it looks like a great place to take a girl you like, provided that she is a little classy. Byut who knows? Maybe the FL scene will get better there over time.

Haven, yes I would recommend you try Sugar. This was the place I was thinking about in the post I made with recommendations. It plays the best hip hop of any club I've been to in Thailand (believe it or not I know my hip hop). Much better than Ibar, 808, etc.

It gets a mixed and I'd say younger crowd. Not wall to wall FLs like Ibar, but some are available. I hooked up with a super cute 20 year old when I was there in December. I also saw some hot African girls thee too that were on the game and approached me when I went to the bar.

The only negative is that it is kind of small club and can get way too packed. And it only gets going very late at night (but the latter is no problem for a party animal like you). 555.[/QUOTE]

Buddy,

I think I know the girl whose bday party your friend invited you for. I'm seeing photos now on FB, it was a wild party for sure!! .

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1881819]It's def gets the hoi-poi of Thai millennials.

I was there on a Wednesday night [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1881819] Though kind of waste of money taking a pro here. After all, your already 'in'.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I hear you. But hanging out, flirting, and dancing with pretty girls in a a nice environment is also a pleasure for me that I don't mind to spend money on.

That said, she'd definitely have to be a cut above (int terms of class) the average P4 P girl for me to take her there. Btu I have met girls at Oskar's, Levels, Sugar or Mixx that would qualify.

My friend told me it was her girl friends birthday party and I said that I hoped this event was not going to cost you another 10 k bt. She said that for Thai, the person having the birthday is expected to pick up the tab.

So she told me this morning that they went through 5 bottles of vodka. Nevertheless, I imagine a few of her male 'friends' must have chipped in a bit. So maybe I dodged a bullet.

This liquor consumption explains why her friend was throwing up and why she did not remember seeing or kissing me last night.

C'est la vie

[QUOTE=JerseyShoreSun;1881825]Buddy,

I think I know the girl whose bday party your friend invited you for. I'm seeing photos now on FB, it was a wild party for sure!! .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1881859]Yeah, I hear you. But hanging out, flirting, and dancing with pretty girls in a a nice environment is also a pleasure for me that I don't mind to spend money on.

That said, she'd definitely have to be a cut above (int terms of class) the average P4 P girl for me to take her there. Btu I have met girls at Oskar's, Levels, Sugar or Mixx that would qualify.[/QUOTE]Uncly V,

When are you landing from the cold shores of Scandinavian to the hot pussy land of Thais, all the women in sSpasso are waiting for the fav Uncle Vitamin who will fuck the m long and hard.

Cheers: waiting for you to be in LOS.

Alex

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1881814]Tomasb thanks for the tip about Sing Sing. The place looks really cool. I just love the 1920's Shanghai speakeasy vibe. Though, my guess is that there wouldn't be too many FLs there. But it looks like a great place to take a girl you like, provided that she is a little classy. Byut who knows? Maybe the FL scene will get better there over time.

Haven, yes I would recommend you try Sugar. This was the place I was thinking about in the post I made with recommendations. It plays the best hip hop of any club I've been to in Thailand (believe it or not I know my hip hop). Much better than Ibar, 808, etc.

It gets a mixed and I'd say younger crowd. Not wall to wall FLs like Ibar, but some are available. I hooked up with a super cute 20 year old when I was there in December. I also saw some hot African girls thee too that were on the game and approached me when I went to the bar.

The only negative is that it is kind of small club and can get way too packed. And it only gets going very late at night (but the latter is no problem for a party animal like you). 555.[/QUOTE]And where are we going to party together uncle V this time in Bkk or Patts or Phuket. I thought I was getting a free party this time Uncle V or my Santa is coming to LOS: would love to party all of us together so tell me your plans and lets see if I can chip into LOS along the same dates for a couple of nights:

Cheers Have fun mate.

Alex

[QUOTE=JerseyShoreSun;1881825]Buddy,

I think I know the girl whose bday party your friend invited you for. I'm seeing photos now on FB, it was a wild party for sure!! .[/QUOTE]JSS,

Sitting in Mumbai you are watching fb of Thai girls not good mate not good: Fly to BKK join these girls and maybe we can have a joint session in my home in BKK or maybe penthouse 40th floor in Sathorn or Sukhumvit.

Send me the link of the club also mate let me see which club is this, the new one on Suk 45 called sing sing, never seen this before. Does this club have some semi-pro stuff also or have had a girl picked from here before.

Let us know your valuable comments.

Cheers,

Alex

I think I have all the info I need now for my few nights in BKK. I will file a report with my feedback / experience next week. Thanks a million!

Alex,

They are on my wall buddy, its not vice versa. Some of them, like the one whose birthday it was yesterday, are friends developed over years of trips to the Land of Smiles. Sing Sing has been there for a while, mainly hiso thai's and.

I had told you about earlier I thought. The new one opening up is the IronFairies. Seems to be a similar theme to SingSing and Maggie Choo's.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1881880]JSS,

Sitting in Mumbai you are watching fb of Thai girls not good mate not good: Fly to BKK join these girls and maybe we can have a joint session in my home in BKK or maybe penthouse 40th floor in Sathorn or Sukhumvit.

Send me the link of the club also mate let me see which club is this, the new one on Suk 45 called sing sing, never seen this before. Does this club have some semi-pro stuff also or have had a girl picked from here before.

Let us know your valuable comments.

Cheers,

Alex[/QUOTE]

Is there anything cheap or interesting in these areas? I know that this is not far from where a lot of the high-end soapies are on Ratchadapisek, but I'm wondering if there is anything "cheap" around there? Of course I mean relatively cheap - say 1,000-1,500 baht or so - as there isn't anything genuinely cheap in Bangkok anymore.

As I alluded to in my report, Sing Sing appeared to be mainly populated by the HISO crowd and farangs in smaller groups. However, I may have spotted a few FL's in there but did not approach. The girls having the birthday party were prob in the latter group but I do not even know that for certain. I think going on the weekend may be the best time to find out the mix of this crowd.

[QUOTE=JerseyShoreSun;1882035]Alex,

They are on my wall buddy, its not vice versa. Some of them, like the one whose birthday it was yesterday, are friends developed over years of trips to the Land of Smiles. Sing Sing has been there for a while, mainly hiso thai's and.

I had told you about earlier I thought. The new one opening up is the IronFairies. Seems to be a similar theme to SingSing and Maggie Choo's.[/QUOTE]

I look for extra pretty girls with good bodies, for middle prices, not the cheapest. I don't care where the girls come from, if they fit my spec. Anywhere I find a girl that really appeals and suits me on the bed, I add her to my regular list. Could even be from Tulip, if I could find any girl slimmish and pretty enough.

Crazy House has been a successful bar despite a big decline in the overall quality of their girls since 3 years ago. Tuesday was absolutely packed out with many customers unable to find a seat. Why, I don't know. Thursday was much more quite due to the midnight closing time before the Friday religious holiday. They say CH will be open Friday night with most bars closed. One girl told me she won't come to work, scared will be packed out again, with other bars closed.

Did my usual very slow walk past many bars, looking for someone really stunning. One Coyote at Sahara looked extra good. Surprisingly one girl outside Toy Bar had a very pretty face but I could not see her body properly as she was sitting. Will investigate further another time. Spice girls appeared to have an obvious LB Coyote. Deja Vu also known to have odd LB. Plenty of bars had one or two quite pretty girls out front, but not stunning. Baccara and Sharks did not have any really good lookers out front, IMHO. Mostly older average looking girls outside Baccara. Looked inside Rawhide. Rawhide has 15 Coyotes as well as gogo girls now. Why the fuck? Anything to get some business for a bar not doing well. Maybe only way to get some relatively pretty girls in? Had to admit about 3 of the Coyotes passed my tough looks test. Very few of them could dance Coyote style, and certainly not experts. Expert Coyotes would not be in Rawhide, right? Apparently Long Gun also has Coyotes now. New pretty Coyote in Rawhide, Nut, told me she earned 300 Baht per day in a factory. Now comes to be a Coyote for 500 Baht per day, plus 60 Baht drink commissions. I guess she doesn't have to fuck unless she wants to. I did not ask about BFs. However obviously is earning significantly better than at the factory.

Doll House has them too. Cowboy2 had a very ordinary looking set of Coyotes, IMHO. Can be barfined, but not worth the extra money, mostly. Then there are the Arab bars Rio, Spice Girls, Sahara, Midnite, Kiss, Deja Vu. Did I make any mistakes on that list? I assume they are all his bars but may be wrong. I don't like them generally. Too flamboyantly up market. Expensive drinks. Weak entertainment.

Business is down in the bars. Cowboy seems to be being taken over by Coyotes and gradual creep in of LBs as well. Several Nana bars have had Coyotes in recent times as well.

Yet Baccara and Crazy House have been very successful with no LBs and no Coyotes. So why not copy that approach. Crazy House was very smart. They paid girls higher salaries than elsewhere, but with fines for lateness and non attendance, so many of the pretty girls don't actually receive their salary. They started up with 15 to 20 stunning girls that pulled customers, and so the bar grew quickly. Nudity with good bodies was the answer. The gogo girls at Rawhide were a generally ugly lot, not to same standard as CH, even though CH line up is currently weak IMHO. Big rise in nose jobs and boob jobs, drop in the number of pretty faced girls, however CH is still successful. Its boring for me though if my favorite girls do not show up. I don't need to ogle 50 bald pussies any more. Most look much the same, although some have a bit of fuzz not totally shaved. However I do much prefer to see girls nude than clothed, assuming they have a good body, and quite a few do. I especially hate girls to have bras on. That is a severe problem with Coyotes. Multi-levels of bras hide their tits.

Last night I was fooled, a big build blonde Farang girl came into CH. Apparently well known. Playing up to the girls. My girl Nikki knows her. As she looked rather masculine, I thought that this is a Farang Tomboy. Nikki says I am wrong and that the Farang "girl" is a LB. What the fuck? A LB who likes ogling and playing with nude girls? Do they go off and have hetero-sex?

Another girl dancing on stage looks very much like a LB. Nikki says it just the shear number of surgeries she had on chin, 3 nose jobs, etc. Coupled with rather straight body. Actually a girl with surgeries to look like a LB.

My frequent bars at Cowboy are Crazy House and @Corner bar. When the Old Dutch lease runs out, CH will expand into there. So my two bars will next to each other, well on opposite sides of the Soi. The rest of cowboy seems destined to be heavily influenced by Coyotes and Ladyboys. Too similar to Nana, excepting that at least a few bars are having some naked somewhat ordinary looking girls. There are a few Cowboy bars, particularly newer ones, that I have no experience with at all.

I am not a big fan of the BJ bars located in and around the Nana area. Last Monday, I had dinner at a restaurant located across from two of the most infamous of these venues, including the BJ bar whose name must not be mentioned in this forum.

There is a cute little blond that can be seen frequently outside this humble establishment. Generally, when I walk by she ignores me and never looks up. Same held true this time when I went into the restaurant. However, after exiting the restaurant and walking past this unique BKK bar, I felt someone grab my elbow and turned around to face little blondie. Well, she made her pitch for 800 baht for a blow job but was not interested at the time.

I also noticed she was not quite as pretty as I thought due to her braces and other facial features but still more than acceptable for this type of place. Though I did wonder if she had black hair, if I would notice her at all.

So I returned the next day and approached her but first she wanted to be sure I knew there was no boom-boom on tap. I have read on this forum that sometimes if you are persuasive enough and offer enough baht that it could be arranged. Well, apparently not with her. We then went upstairs to a curtained off booth where I sat while she did her thing. Overall, pretty good job and came in her mouth until she started choking and pulled out a tissue to catch the residue (so to speak). Oh, that's so much, she blurted. Sure, I said. You say that to all the guys but not sure she understood. I did get her to take her off her top showing her tiny little titties and was allowed to stroke them but nothing permitted below the waist.

She also would not take my number or entertain the idea of coming to my apartment. They keep them under tight lock and key at this place. Total cost was 800 plus 100 tip. Cute girl and just a minor daytime diversion.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1882318]So I returned the next day and approached her but first she wanted to be sure I knew there was no boom-boom on tap.[/QUOTE]Strange! At LOL Itas they have a fixed price 1200 baht for sex behind the curtains baht and 1700 baht for 1 HR in the room.

Thanks for the info. & clarifying their full service prices and that it is available. Perhaps, she had started her period as she did not mention any restrictions the night before. Either that or she just does not offer full service and didn't mention it earlier.

1700 is getting up there for most of those girls.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1882344]Strange! At LOL Itas they have a fixed price 1200 baht for sex behind the curtains baht and 1700 baht for 1 HR in the room.[/QUOTE]

1. Well, Soi Cowboy is 100 PC shut down for the Buddha holiday. But all the Massage places are open. Going to one in a few minutes. They are all about 50-100 baht more here, but I'm sure cost of living here is higher, along with rent for the shop.

2. Checked out Soi 11, everything is open, huge restaurants and bar are mostly vacant and just a few customers. Looks like Levels and their sister late night club, The Sugar Club will be open, because I saw a guy carry huge bags of ice in. And as TomasB said Bangkok Beat will be open after midnight, so my plan is to hit that first and then go to Levels and Sugar Club.

Taxi prices are not too bad either. Just 100 baht between Soi 23 and Soi 11 and I get full AC door to door.

However, taxi from VT 6 to Soi 23 BKK was 1,500 baht and it was a long ride, but smooth traffic in the To BKK direction due to the holiday!

Slight drizzle here in BKK now, but not the getting wet type. May put a damper on things, dunno.

So, in Pattaya. Of all places. Outside VT 6 and Central festival mall, all the massage places (and there's ton), most are professional massage places and I'm not sure many of them will offer a happy ending option. They would not even come to my condo room around the corner. Except for the one that found in the last few days...... Of about 7, I had asked and 3, I had tried on premises.

Here in BKK on Soi 23, so many girls from about 10 massage places near my hotel, some (like maybe 10 PC) of them quite cute, don't seem interested at all in customers who don't want at least a HJ. Haha. LOL They all, it seems, want at least a HJ and are kinda giving me the boo treatment when I said a priori that all I want is a regular massage. Go figure!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1882318]I am not a big fan of the BJ bars located in and around the Nana area. Last Monday, I had dinner at a restaurant located across from two of the most infamous of these venues, including the BJ bar whose name must not be mentioned in this forum.

There is a cute little blond that can be seen frequently outside this humble establishment. Generally, when I walk by she ignores me and never looks up. Same held true this time when I went into the restaurant. However, after exiting the restaurant and walking past this unique BKK bar, I felt someone grab my elbow and turned around to face little blondie. Well, she made her pitch for 800 baht for a blow job but was not interested at the time.

I also noticed she was not quite as pretty as I thought due to her braces and other facial features but still more than acceptable for this type of place. Though I did wonder if she had black hair, if I would notice her at all.

So I returned the next day and approached her but first she wanted to be sure I knew there was no boom-boom on tap. I have read on this forum that sometimes if you are persuasive enough and offer enough baht that it could be arranged. Well, apparently not with her. We then went upstairs to a curtained off booth where I sat while she did her thing. Overall, pretty good job and came in her mouth until she started choking and pulled out a tissue to catch the residue (so to speak). Oh, that's so much, she blurted. Sure, I said. You say that to all the guys but not sure she understood. I did get her to take her off her top showing her tiny little titties and was allowed to stroke them but nothing permitted below the waist.

She also would not take my number or entertain the idea of coming to my apartment. They keep them under tight lock and key at this place. Total cost was 800 plus 100 tip. Cute girl and just a minor daytime diversion.[/QUOTE]
Yeh, I know her habit well to not even look up at the customers.

Her name is Anne. Small A tits yes and not saggy, but not at all the tiniest around if you are used to Thai girls with small tits. She is even cuter with clothes off, since she has a great ass. I am more of "great ass" man. Better looking (cuter) than the vast majority of BJ girls or Oily girls for that matter. I am not too enthused about her BBBJ. Average at best. She struggles with the braces, however was acceptable last occasion.

Definitely she is available for fuck on most occasions for extra tip, however there are occasions when pussy is fucked out and she is not making that available. Potentially could even have been her period. I usually take her in the special room with bed. When fuck is not available, I pass, as a BBBJ rarely interests me, on its own, unless desperate and very limited time. I do get a good GFE with Anne. I guess we know each other and chemistry is quite good, and she knows she will get a tip for a good session.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1882356]1. Well, Soi Cowboy is 100 PC shut down for the Buddha holiday. [/QUOTE]Cowboy was dark mostly. However Crazy House and The Corner were open. Some outside street bars opened up at midnight, but not many.

Nice to know, especially with the GFE. I may have to tap that before I leave for the summer. My friends and I always joke about her reticent and oblivious attitude when one of us walks by though she is apparently a lot more aware of what is going on then she displays. Yesterday, she was wearing a pair of tight white shorts and her ass looked quite fine, indeed.

The name on her hostess card in Ant, not Anne. Also, she frequently cannot be found out front, more than likely because she is already with a customer (so I would not take a long journey to find her). Hence, the potential issue that her pussy becomes exhausted for the day. And, yes, her tits are small, though for me it was a bit reminiscent of being with my high school girlfriend in her parents basement. Kind of a turn on. I think we agree that she could easily find work in a go go bar but perhaps that's not her thing.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1882638]Yeh, I know her habit well to not even look up at the customers.

Her name is Anne. Small A tits yes and not saggy, but not at all the tiniest around if you are used to Thai girls with small tits. She is even cuter with clothes off, since she has a great ass. I am more of "great ass" man. Better looking (cuter) than the vast majority of BJ girls or Oily girls for that matter. I am not too enthused about her BBBJ. Average at best. She struggles with the braces, however was acceptable last occasion.

Definitely she is available for fuck on most occasions for extra tip, however there are occasions when pussy is fucked out and she is not making that available. Potentially could even have been her period. I usually take her in the special room with bed. When fuck is not available, I pass, as a BBBJ rarely interests me, on its own, unless desperate and very limited time. I do get a good GFE with Anne. I guess we know each other and chemistry is quite good, and she knows she will get a tip for a good session.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1882649]Nice to know, especially with the GFE. I may have to tap that before I leave for the summer. My friends and I always joke about her reticent attitude when walking by though she is apparently a lot more aware of what is going on then she displays. Yesterday, she was wearing a pair of tight white shorts and her ass looked quite fine, indeed.

The name on her hostess card in Ant, not Ann. Also, she frequently cannot be found out front, more than likely because she is already with a customer. Hence, the potential issue that her pussy becomes exhausted for the day. And her tits are small, though for me it was a bit reminiscent of being with my high school girlfriend in her partners basement. Kind of a turn on.[/QUOTE]Okay About the hostess card saying Ant. However Ant is not a Thai name, and Thais can't even pronounce it. "Mot" meaning Ant, is a Thai name. However she calls herself Ann (not Mot) and so does reception and the other girls. Seems to be her normal Thai nickname. It is just possible that they are pronouncing Ant wrongly as Ann. There are other possibilities since Thais spelling of names in English is atrocious at times. I will try to clear it up next time, for certain. I will ask her to spell her name in Thai letters.

Ann is actually a very common name used by Thai girls, because westerners can pronounce it (and Thais). Ant is not. It would be one of those made up names. Western words like Ann, Benz (pronounced as just Ben), Mint (pronounced Min) are used, but not Ant, in my experience.

http://www.thailandbreeze.com/thai-nicknames.html

Yes, at first I thought she said her name was Ann but then she showed me her hostess card and it said Ant. I said, is your name Ant, and she smiled, and said yes. In any event, you are not going to mix her up with the rest of the non blondes in here. 555.

As far as the closures for alcohol go, it was virtually impossible to find alcohol for sale anywhere. I walked by Hooters on Soi 4 and there were a bunch of forlorn looking guys drinking pineapple smoothies or something similar. The beer bars on the other side of the street were closed with several being painted or undergoing general maintenance. The restaurants in Terminal 21 were not serving booze as I tried to get a drink at Fuji with my Thai date to no avail.

Central BKK also appeared very slow for a Friday night after midnight. Not a lot of foot traffic on Suk in the area around Soi 11. Bangkok Beat was not too busy either with many of the normal attendees AWOL. Since I had a nice time with my date at my apartment, I was not real interested anyway. On the plus side, it is an easy and significantly cheaper way to bring a girl back to your apartment or a hotel for a drink (and sex) since everything else is closed. My dinner date at Fuji cost 650 baht as there was no alcoholic drinks purchased.

However, I was also successful in purchasing booze yesterday. There is a Villa grocery in the basement of the building across from the Marriot near Soi 0. Usually, you can purchase booze there even during 2-5 pm time period as I am told their cash registers are not time set, unlike other grocery stores that don't allow purchases during the afternoon. Yesterday, there was a sign saying booze was not for sale due to holiday and apologized for the inconvenience, which was sitting in front of the cash register. But I did not notice the sign and asked the clerk if I could buy booze. Sure, he said, and I went and picked up a bottle of Bacardi, paid for it, and left no problem.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1882657]Okay About the hostess card saying Ant. However Ant is not a Thai name, and Thais can't even pronounce it. "Mot" meaning Ant, is a Thai name. However she calls herself Ann and so does reception and the other girls. Seems to be her normal Thai nickname. It is just possible that they are pronouncing Ant wrongly as Ann. There are other possibilities since Thais spelling of names in English is atrocious at times. I will try to clear it up next time, for certain.[/QUOTE]

Yes, at first I thought she said her name was Ann but then she showed me her hostess card and it said Ant. I said, is your name Ant, and she smiled, and said yes. In any event, you are not going to mix her up with the rest of the non blondes in here. 555.

As far as the closures for alcohol go, it was virtually impossible to find alcohol for sale anywhere. I walked by Hooters on Soi 4 and there were a bunch of forlorn looking guys drinking pineapple smoothies or something similar. The beer bars on the other side of the street were closed with several being painted or undergoing general maintenance. The restaurants in Terminal 21 were not serving booze as I tried to get a drink at Fuji with my Thai date to no avail.

Central BKK also appeared very slow for a Friday night after midnight. Not a lot of foot traffic on Suk in the area around Soi 11. Bangkok Beat was not too busy either with many of the normal attendees AWOL. Since I had a nice time with my date at my apartment, I was not real interested anyway. On the plus side, it is an easy and significantly cheaper way to bring a girl back to your apartment or a hotel for a drink (and sex) since everything else is closed. My dinner date at Fuji cost 650 baht as there was no alcoholic drinks purchased.

However, I was also successful in purchasing booze yesterday. There is a Villa grocery basement in the basement of the building across from the Marriot near Soi 0. Usually, you can purchase booze there even during 2-5 pm time period as I am told their cash registers are not time set, unlike other grocery stores that don't allow purchases during the afternoon. Yesterday, there was a sign saying booze was not for sale due to holiday and apologized for the inconvenience, which was sitting in front of the cash register. But I did not notice the sign and asked the clerk if I could buy booze. Sure, he said, and I went and picked up a bottle of Bacardi, paid for it, and left no problem.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1882657]Okay About the hostess card saying Ant. However Ant is not a Thai name, and Thais can't even pronounce it. "Mot" meaning Ant, is a Thai name. However she calls herself Ann and so does reception and the other girls. Seems to be her normal Thai nickname. It is just possible that they are pronouncing Ant wrongly as Ann. There are other possibilities since Thais spelling of names in English is atrocious at times. I will try to clear it up next time, for certain.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1882665]Yes, at first I thought she said her name was Ann but then she showed me her hostess card and it said Ant. I said, is your name Ant, and she smiled, and said yes. In any event, you are not going to mix her up with the rest of the non blondes in here. 555.
[/QUOTE]Thais can't tell the difference between Ann and Ant. The 'T' becomes silent.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1882665]However, I was also successful in purchasing booze yesterday. There is a Villa grocery in the basement of the building across from the Marriot near Soi 0. Usually, you can purchase booze there even during 2-5 pm time period as I am told their cash registers are not time set, unlike other grocery stores that don't allow purchases during the afternoon. Yesterday, there was a sign saying booze was not for sale due to holiday and apologized for the inconvenience, which was sitting in front of the cash register. But I did not notice the sign and asked the clerk if I could buy booze. Sure, he said, and I went and picked up a bottle of Bacardi, paid for it, and left no problem.[/QUOTE]"the building across from the Marriot near Soi 0" is called "Ploenchit Center". This is a straight commercial mall with a MacDonalds, Starbucks, etc. If it is true that you can buy booze from the Villa Market inside Ploenchit Center when everywhere else is shut out, this is valuable information. I may have to test the hypothesis myself when the situation arises next.

Yes, that's the name of the building. I have purchased alcohol there numerous times between 2-5 pm so you should have no problem.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1882702]"the building across from the Marriot near Soi 0" is called "Ploenchit Center". This is a straight commercial mall with a MacDonalds, Starbucks, etc. If it is true that you can buy booze from the Villa Market inside Ploenchit Center when everywhere else is shut out, this is valuable information. I may have to test the hypothesis myself when the situation arises next.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1882668]However, I was also successful in purchasing booze yesterday. There is a Villa grocery basement in the basement of the building across from the Marriot near Soi 0. Usually, you can purchase booze there even during 2-5 pm time period as I am told their cash registers are not time set, unlike other grocery stores that don't allow purchases during the afternoon. Yesterday, there was a sign saying booze was not for sale due to holiday and apologized for the inconvenience, which was sitting in front of the cash register. But I did not notice the sign and asked the clerk if I could buy booze. Sure, he said, and I went and picked up a bottle of Bacardi, paid for it, and left no problem.[/QUOTE]Information that will help experienced mongers, newbies and managers alike. Life saving nugget I have added this to the ROD thread.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1882721]Information that will help experienced mongers, newbies and managers alike. Life saving nugget I have added this to the ROD thread.[/QUOTE]It surprises me if guys cannot have fun without booze. I do so very regularly, so lack of alcohol is never going to be a problem unless the girl needs to have a few leg openers.

Crazy House and most bars have Yaa Dong, a herbal alcoholic drink for the girls to drink at start of evening to reduce their inhibitions so they will feel happy dancing nude and very provocatively.

I have only fucked one girl in weeks after several drinks for myself, and fortunately went well because she was just so hot with magnificent tits, good soft BBBJ, and lovely pussy. However usually alcohol reduces my sensitivity, and is not a great idea before sex.

My report.

Last night got 2 blowjobs [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] BJ bar. Picked up a cute free lancer from outside a bar and fucked her really hard in my hotel. Bjs were 800 each and free lancer 1500 all up.

I will probably call this trip quits if pattaya is anywhere as horrible as Bangkok. Good girls but awful country. Why do people holiday here?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1882813]My report.

Last night got 2 blowjobs BJ bar. Picked up a cute free lancer from outside a bar and fucked her really hard in my hotel. Bjs were 800 each and free lancer 1500 all up.

I will probably call this trip quits if pattaya is anywhere as horrible as Bangkok. Good girls but awful country. Why do people holiday here?[/QUOTE]What don't you like about Thailand? The food is great, the nature is beautiful, the culture interesting, and the people are fun loving, kind and friendly (at leas most of them).

Have you been out of Sukhumvit? I guess it can get pretty dreary and depressing there. The place is ugly, rundown, hot and crowded and the people there can be mercenary. I agree that there is not much there besides the girls and a few fun clubs and descent restaurants.

But other parts of the country (and even BKK) are very different.

Pattaya not so much, though its definitely more laid back.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1882813]My report.

Last night got 2 blowjobs [url=[URL]http://isgprohibitedwords.info[/URL]?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900]url] BJ bar. Picked up a cute free lancer from outside a bar and fucked her really hard in my hotel. Bjs were 800 each and free lancer 1500 all up.

I will probably call this trip quits if pattaya is anywhere as horrible as Bangkok. Good girls but awful country. Why do people holiday here? QUOTE].

I dunno mann! I liked Pattaya and it grew on me. One thing that works for me, wherever I go (Peru, Brazil, DR, and now Pattaya) is that I find the things, places, restaurants and the kinds of venues and kinds of girls I like and stick to them. So, in Pattaya I found the specific routine and circuit that I liked and towards the end, stayed within my zone of comfort and conscious ambiance. For me, it was my condo building, ,the services there, right next door at Central Festival mall, Ibar and Insomnia and several massage places. I avoided the beer bars and Gogo places altogether and did not indulge in a soapy this time either.

One thing I would do next time, that Mr ENT, has suggested, and I did not have the time to really do, is try and meet girls in natural settings outside if Walking Street or Beach Rd or the 1-14 Sois.

So, YMMV, but I plan to be back for a month next time, probably in Jan, and I plan to primarily stick to the mini local pocket Universe of my own creation and tune out the rest of the noise ) from my POV ). And, try to just talk to and meet girls in more natural settings.

Just finished five days in BKK after three or so in Pattaya. In a nutshell, I can say that I've ensured that Kasalong will remain in business for some time to come and that gallons of Coke don't make bar girls look any better.

The second part first. I roamed Nana and / or Cowboy each night with vague intentions of a bar fine, though as usual I never followed through. There were certainly candidates, but I just couldn't get interested enough given that Kasalong was just two blocks from my hotel (this also explains the visits to Nana, which is not one of my usual haunts).

At Cowboy Sharks had some cuties, though with too much clothing. As others have said, supposedly one of the great things about plucking from go-gos is that one should know what one is getting. Still, their cuties were good enough for me to gamble on, betting that when everything came off saggy boobs, stretch marks, or dicks wouldn't come tumbling out.

For me Baccara was as usual top of the line in looks (recall that looks are subjective), but I just go there for the window shopping. My admittedly few experiences with their girls, even just buying LD's, have not been good. Waiting for someone a little more Japanese, I think.

Suzy Wong was pretty bad. As it is nude the good was that you could definitely see what you'd be renting. The bad was that you could definitely see what you'd be renting.

I tried Crazy House twice hoping it would live up to my memories and Syzygies' reports. Maybe I chose the wrong nights. Both times I got there around 8 PM and stayed for an hour to see what new blood arrived. Several had great potential as they walked in but, again, when the clothes came off the disappointment was crushing. Not a lot of uglies, just nothing great. On the second night my opinion might have been tarnished a bit by two guys, one bald, the other dressed like he chose from the bargain racks at a trailer park yard sale, molesting a dancer both on stage and even more so off stage.

Am I some sort of Puritan morals campaigner? Hardly! The problem was she was so horrific looking that the idea that fellow males, even near-comatose drunks, would find her appealing was degrading to the male gender in general, including rodents but particularly humans. Kind of like when the president of one of the most powerful nations on earth was found to be banging (or not) a chubby intern. The shame!

The object of their affections sported an array of studs around her mouth that made my privates wince, and my privates have seen some shit (see "Kasalong", above). I can only imagine that a blow job would be like copulating with a porcupine. To think I could have waited to meet her and not been banned from the city zoo for that!

Perhaps the cutest thing there both nights was one of the waitresses, but there is again the clothes problem. Speaking of wait staff, I found it vaguely disturbing that one of them remembered me from maybe three visits half a year or more ago. The kind of tiny one with a ponytail who seems to work the area to the left as one fights one's way through the damned curtain at the door. Why do these people remember me? A girl at the Black Pearl BJ bar in Angeles remembered me three years later, by name and home state. I know I'm no Brad Pitt, so I can only assume the other extreme.

I hit a few other Cowboy venues, e. G. , Dollhouse, Tilac, and I think it was Long Gun (nudes), but didn't tarry long enough to give them a real evaluation. Saw a couple of potentials at the Dollhouse but had to get to Terminal 21 before 10 PM and never made it back. Might be worth a look.

At Nana I hit Bangkok Bunnies, Erotica, Jail Birdz, Billboard and I think Mandarin (to the right of the escalator as one steps off). Erotica and Jail Birdz were busts, though I believe the latter just reopened after some troubles so it may ramp back up to respectability. Billboard had some candy, but mainly on the rotating stage where too much is left to the imagination. The tub girls seemed more average. It also featured an incredibly annoying mamasan, in case you're looking for one of those.

Bangkok Bunnies is now half of its former self: The right hand stage is unused as is the seating in that area. Of course, since this is Thailand, the associated bar IS operational and that seemed to be where the dancers were required to go get their LD's, so the round trip could stretch into days. There were several quite doable girls there and I, of course, ended up buying LD's for someone other than them. I have an excuse, though. The sweet lass plopped down beside me and after the required-by-law preliminaries about where I was from, how long was I in Bangkok, had I ever done a porcupine, etc. , she noted that I was oozing sweat towards her. Rather than flee she suggested an awesome spot where half the air conditioners and fans ever made concentrated their efforts. That was definitely worth a couple LD's. But there was that ugly thing about maybe a bar fine. She did have a nice face and certainly didn't have sagging tits one would first have to have tits for them to sag so I decided to buy time and told her I would be back the next night. I was. She wasn't there. Whoohoo! Off the hook!

So if I wasn't sharing my precious bodily fluids with bar girls, where was it going? As you could probably guess by the opening of this report, the Kasalong girls were far from dehydrated during my stay. It was a nightly ritual and a very good one until the last visit. First night taller, heavier girl. Awesome technique, stamina, and work ethic. Second night, shorter, heavy girl. Decent work, again cheerily bobbing away without "You no cum?" queries as a shockingly large number of minutes paraded by. Eventually I gave a hand assist and things got satisfyingly messy. Third night hoped for the first girl but by my policy of first-in-queue I got close, but no cigar: I go the second girl again. But kudos to her: She was a quick learner and showed up with a lot of oil and I got an amazing hybrid blow-hand job that easily rivaled the first night. Sadly the last visit was absolutely ordinary, including the traditional hand assist that seems to be standard procedure for me. A LOT of hand assist. It started out promisingly as the girl was actually relatively cute, even by non-BJ bar standards, but had perhaps too gentle a touch for my tool which is generally engaged in sexual relations with a hand that can crush rocks. Still, three out of four were good and two spectacularly so, so I can't complain given the money involved.

Speaking of bargain prices, I got accosted heading home on Soi 6 by a scrawny skank offering full service for 300 baht. I can remember being so cheap long ago that I would have taken the chance. Now I have at least some standards. Just kidding! Actually I was overheating and had to get to my air conditioner.

The last night, as it was the holiday, I didn't really know what to expect. I verified the night before that Kasalong would be open but also had Plan A. I was going to try the escort scene. I'll delve into that in a report in that thread. Suffice it to say that things went quite well, as they should for that kind of money.

So overall a pretty good time. Hot girls in certain venues, good blow jobs in another. Who could ask for more? I only regret that I cut this trip into little chunks instead of settling into one place. I'm done with Pattaya and Bangkok, now in Angeles and heading for Indonesia in four days. This October-November I'll likely just stay in Thailand for the month long visit.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1882935]

So overall a pretty good time. Hot girls in certain venues, good blow jobs in another. Who could ask for more? I only regret that I cut this trip into little chunks instead of settling into one place. I'm done with Pattaya and Bangkok, now in Angeles and heading for Indonesia in four days. This October-November I'll likely just stay in Thailand for the month long visit.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. You have a way with words. Very amusing.

Is this the one in Grand Hyatt?

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1881502]Don't you worry mate Spasso is made for only for you. Its a very nice cool relaxed bar no loud music till 12 am just live chilled out vibe. Loads of very classy Thai babes not young like the go go scene but the matured freelancers 25-35 but dressed very nicely and drinking only red or white wine so no need to worry.

Just go around 8 or 9 dress nicely just don't go in shorts and flip flops like Patts but like a decent gentleman sit at the bar order your drink tip the bar man or women and enjoy your drink and music and there will be women around you like bees like they surround the honey bee.

So relax chill and enjoy the music women will come up to every now and then if you are horny and want to fuck then you know the routine if you are relaxed then offer drink to the lady you like talk to her check her out feel her up see if the assets are up to your mark, if you like her offer her 1 more drink and then be more cosy she will speak her self act cool tell her no need to talk money baby I know everything and ask her you relax have your drink and we go together all night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1882813]My report.

Last night got 2 blowjobs BJ bar. Picked up a cute free lancer from outside a bar and fucked her really hard in my hotel. Bjs were 800 each and free lancer 1500 all up.

I will probably call this trip quits if pattaya is anywhere as horrible as Bangkok. Good girls but awful country. Why do people holiday here?[/QUOTE]People go to Phuket, ChaingMai, Krabi, KohSamui etc for holidays and Mongers go to Pattaya, BKK for holidays. This is best country in the world for me but YMMV.

[QUOTE=TravelTop;1882962]Is this the one in Grand Hyatt?[/QUOTE]Yes, Grand Hyatt Erawan.

[QUOTE=TravelTop;1882962]Is this the one in Grand Hyatt?[/QUOTE]Yes TT it is in the grand Hyatt Erawan a nice bar starts at around 6 pm with very classy Thai chicks not young a bit old lets say 25-35 but dressed very sexy and smelling very nice beautiful make up nice shoes not gulping beer or shots only white or red wine.

After you finish here at 2 am just walk over the red light on the right at you are at the Mixx.

Cheers.

Enjoy.

P.S: Latest ground info: There is some CIS and Colombians also visiting spasso these days:

So, the first evening / night at my hotel was a downer. AC not working well enough (I like it cold) and water leak from bathroom sink, wifi problems, LOL. This took several visits from engineering and it was not until late evening I reported these water and AC issues. Hotel on Soi 23 right around the street from Soi Cowboy (about 5 min walk max). So, with things not fully fixed but with wifi good (they installed an in room router to boost the signal) I left around 1230 at night and told them I would be gone for 3 hours and they better have things fixed by the time get back.

So, I head out to Soi Cowboy on Friday just to check because I thought things would open up around midnight after the Buddha holiday curfew. Well, I head out to Bangkok Beat via taxi and I am surprised at how different it looked in real life and where it was located, but anyway the guys at the entrance seem nice and I enter. IMO, the place is a frickin dump. I stay just 1-2 minutes to survey the place and the few girls who are there (all 5's and under IMO) and I leave without buying a drink.

Head over to Soi 11 where things looked better, I had walked by there in the late afternoon, but somehow I missed Levels this time around and came up to The Sugar Club and saw it was active. 200 baht to enter (one beer or non brand mixed drink incl) and the place was packed. But, soon I discover (maybe because of the Buddha holiday?) it's packed with an extreme hip hop bunch of people (like NYC and even Classicos in Sosua), 2/3 men, and 1/3 girls, with the girls being mostly white chicks American, Euro AUS / NZ and Russia / CIS (yeah). Thai girls maybe 10 PC of the entire population there and they were mostly in groups (friend, coworkers and with their farang colleagues). Nevertheless, I am beginning to enjoy the music and the ambiance and I have a good time dancing / grooving until 515 am and then just head back home, because I had pretty tapped out by my massage girl from earlier in the am, until 1130 am in Pattaya. Drinks are expensive at Sugar (250 baht for brand name drinks) , and I probably spend 2000 baht there just on myself! But, it I was ok with that.

So, sleep in pretty late and now they upgrade me to a room with a nice balcony and bigger sq ft. And everything is working fine but with my same in roomwifi booster. Getting to head out late Sat night, and get a ding on my iPad and I have to spend an hour resolving some urgent family matter. And now I head out but my frame of mind is down from the incident (which in the overall scheme of things is not a biggie but I was frustrated by it anyway). So, I head out to The Italian Restaurant (the big one on Sukhumvit and Soi 23 intersection) and have a nice Fettucine Carbonara and it's like $9. Wifi there is good and I am finishing up the other family stuff.

Walk over now and see all these small sidewalk mobile bars around from Soi Cowboy (I did check out Crazy House, some beautiful girls no doubt) but by now it's 1 am and the guy to girl ratio in there is at least 3 to and 1 and I spot Japanese, and other tourist know I'd be wasting my time with such a ratio and with it having been closed the previous night.

But, I am curious about the girls in the sidewalk mobile bars and see some girls that are not too shabby. So, I walk back and girth and there's many trying to get me to come visit with them. After going back and forth this one girl, quite cute actually, starts talking to me and after about 5-10 minutes of her propositioning me for 1,500 (saying she will do everything) I am actually now getting interested. Now, this girl, starts digging at my John and tries to get me excited and she is wearing a halter top and she takes my hand and opens the top down just a bit to reveal just the kind of firm tits I like. She is 22 (I saw her ID) but she is def drunk a bit and she wants me to play with her tits on Sukhumvit RD and I smile and oblige. Man, I loved those tits. So firm and perfect. She is nit a slim or petite girl but not fat either. So now, she wants a tip for that! Haha. Ok, I pull out 20 baht (because I was kinda forced into it on the street right there ) and she like says she wants more for the 30 seconds that she took my hands and had me fondling her titties in the sidewalk bar area. Now, I am just about to take this girl, cause I have the hots for her, and notice the somewhat angry expression she showed on her face because I just gave her only 20 baht and I change my mind, knowing she is drunk and could be an in-room issue, and get a taxi to Soi 11 and head to Levels Club. Problem : they want me to check my hat behind (and it's an my expensive brand name hat, which I can no longer find and love too dearly) and so I say screw that and head back to the Sugar Club almost next door. ( I have been offered over $100 for that in bars back home cause it is no longer available and it has a following ).

Hang out there until 5 am and have good time with a more balanced crowd Sat night, but way too many young and good looking blond, farang men (many model quality) and some really beautiful blond girls also model quality! I don't feel like I can score anything good due to the competition. Still I enjoy and hang around until 5 am. Some serious tourist money floating around tonight. Sugar Club sells these packages of multiple bottles and mixers for 10000 baht and up, and one European guy and his dad are on this sofa with 3 Vodka bottles ( the dad sees me, Stands up says hi In broken English and hands me an almost full (like 90 PC) and says they have too many bottles. I say I don't drink Vodka and give him fives and say thanks. He then wants to know if I prefer whisky and he will get me a bottle. And, again I feel bad I have to decline. I can vouch that after 2 nights there is some serious money being made is this packed hip hop place. Anyways, I enjoy until 5 am and I them I leave and get a cab.

This cabbie wants to take me to a dive bar that very few know. Ok, I go along and arrive at this dive 2-3 story bar, (lower level closes after 4) and action moves up until 8 am, I am told. Francis is the owner / manager and the bartender lady is super great, classy and speaks good English. See a couple of American guys with suits and wedding rings partying and wonder how in the world they got to the dive place. Let me guess: their cabby. Mine also tried to sell me the little blue pills. Anyway, I'm like do I even want to be here. Until I see about 3 of the 15 girls who are kinda cute. One in pony tails (25) from Isaan (may have Japanese blood and has young Japanese features and slim body but she is playing a game on her phone, sitting at the little bar there but seems uninterested in me. Francis tells me I can take any girl there to my hotel for ST 3 K, or LT 4 K. I negotiate and agree on 2. 5 K LT and a mixed drink there costs me 200 baht which is suprising. Then, I see the other 2 girls, both about 24-26 , one blond and petite but wide hips, and the other cute, dressed in a nice 2 piece blue skirt suit, and with a US gym instructor strong athletic build. After talking to all 3 , I decide on the one with a blue suit as I like her body and she looks very presentable for me for my 6 am hotel entrance. She is nice in the car and the room and we chat for quite some time and it's all good. Then I ask for a massage, she takes a shower and then asks if she will get a tip and I say yeah, if it is a good massage. She is from Buriram and she is okay and then we get with the action soon enough and everything about her body is as expected, super firm tits and ass and we have a good time. And I take a shower. She does the same again, but now she emerges dressed and it's only 3 hours max, not what I had agreed to, for the 2. 5 K I had paid to Francis. And, I am thinking to myself okay this girl is going to do the ST switcheroo and sue enough she says only some girls there will do LT, she can't, but if I agree to an additional tip for her she will stay until 2-3 pm. I decline and off she goes.

And, I'm now saying to myself, man I screwed up. I should have known to confirm with the girl in front of Francis and all three of us are on the same page. But, I didn't and it's all my fault. I can't believe I made this kinda rookie mistake but I really felt it would not be problem (wrong!!).

So goeth my first 2 nights and as I noted I am missing Pattaya already because BKK is like any other big commercial city and its all just commerce. No GFE like Pattaya. More reason next time to never stay in BKK.

Haven 123, I just read your report and had to be amused with several of your comparisons. When you travel to disparate locations, even in the same country, there are are always some mental adjustments required.

For example, I don't go to Bangkok Beat because of the ambience of the place. In the end, its a rock and roll bar a la Spanky's or a roadside joint in the US one might find in the southern US. That's part of the charm for the place, at least for me, as this contributes a less pretentious attitude exhibited by the patrons. And as far as the girl quality, your mileage will vary on any given night anywhere in Bangkok particularly if you don't stay very long. BBeat usually gets going around midnight and last night there were some attractive girls in there. However, if they don't see what they are looking for, they move on too. I sat at a table with several beautiful girls who decided to go to another club. I was having some stomach distress last night so opted out of horizontal activities.

I agree that Friday in BBeat was particularly bad for girls, especially quality, but that might have to do with the holiday falling on the weekend as many of the girls are from Issan and other areas in then country and left to see their family or did not go out at all as the holiday can be a bit of a downer when it eliminates imbibing for half of the evening.

Your take on Sugar Club is pretty accurate. I found too many faring women in there on my one visit. I know that's a non-starter for me and as an older guy, I have a slim to none chance of picking up a farang woman. I am also suspicious of being in a club until 6 am. I go to a club to pick up girls as efficiently and in a timely manner, as possible. I don't go to dance the night away until the wee hours, drop 2 k baht drinking (better used for the girls fee), and find myself (if I am lucky) with a girl at 5 am who passes out in my bed or throws up in my bathroom.

Levels has a strict dress code and once I was denied entry for wearing open toed sandals. It seems pretentious to me as well due perhaps to the its connection to the fancy hotel. Same holds true for Oskars across the street. As far as the alcocart girls, I just smell bad service from this group. Just this week, I was chatting up a girl who wanted 2 k plus a 500 BF for short term. I could have prob tried to negotiate her price but when she told me it was 5 k for long term, I passed in total.

So my overall point is that you are not going to capture Bangkok (in your heart) in a short weekend. It's a much more complex city than Pattaya and it takes time to figure out which venues and locations suits you best. Last night, for example, I was sitting outside BBeat around 2:30 am. A girl sat down next to me who I recalled seeing in there several days ago, but not really my type, at least the prior evening. Turns out she is a real businesswomen on a trip from the provinces and leaving at 6 am this morning for a flight to the north -- she showed me the flight schedule on her phone. I thought for one glorious moment I had stumbled on a freebie. She was fluent in English and we chatted on a variety of subjects. After several minutes! I asked her to come to my apartment, which she declined thereby confirming her non P4 P status. Still we had a nice conversation and she even recalled seeing me few months ago at a coffee shop on Soi 11. We made an informal agreement to meet next Saturday at the Beat, after she declined my second offer to kill some time at my apartment, 555. She said 'well, you are just going to fuck me there' confirming she has a sense of humor too. Of course, that situation does not happen generally to a tourist but it's this type of encounter I love about Bangkok. Anything can happen on any given day as long as you remain friendly and open and maintain a certain bit of caution.

The advantage, of course, is if you live here you don't have to treat every night as a night in which you need to find someone to justify ones lengthy and expensive trip. But in the end, as a tourist, each hour though is precious and is sometimes wasted on foolish pursuits going up blind alleys so to speak. It appeared this happened to you particularly ending up at that suspect club at the end of your night with an even more suspect arrangement with that girl. That was almost getting into Hangover 2 territory and shows the potential pitfalls of traveling solo. Remember. Your not in Kansas anymore!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1883154]?...... That was almost getting into Hangover 2 territory and shows the potential pitfalls of traveling solo. Remember. Your not in Kansas anymore![/QUOTE]Haha, Good one Tomasb.

1. I so totally enjoy drinking and dancing in good, hot clubs all over the world. It makes me happy. Yeah, I spent 4000 baht, maybe more in 2 nights at the Sugar Club, BUT it made very happy during the time I was there. Funny thing is a couple of the waitresses and even the blond American (I think) usher / VIP area usher (the one with the big boobs in her 30's) would keep brushing her boobs against my chest and try to dance with me for a minute or two. And, last night, at like 430 am, this young 20 something blond white model looking dude (but not tall) , comes over to me from his table (with his table) and gives me a hug and wants to chat (and I'm like huh, I dunno maybe the bisexual or something) and I kinda reply ' what's going on? ' and look away. So, yeah, I love when shit like that happens. It's the adventure that I love!

2. And so cab driver thing was also an adventure. I've done that sort of thing all over, during the past decades, from Turkey to E and W Europe, Central and S America (yeah even Colombia back then when bombs were going off in Bogota), America, Israel and Asia. I am not a scaredycat. And fortunately I've never had any issues with a cabbie. Only a stick up with by a teenager in downtown Curitiba and a drugging vis something in booze that a girl was kissing me with and shooting her drink into my mouth on the dance floor in Fortaleza. So, I've been lucky and totally willing to take risks for the sake of adventure like getting into a cage with a very huge tiger with my arm on it take a picture at the Sriracha tiger zoo about 2 weeks ago. In Sao Paulo Brazil this Jan/ Feb, I partied almost every night until 5 am in a dance bar and went to Love Story after that until 8 am sooo many times in the heart of downtown Sao Paulo.

So, I'm down for the adventure and love that type of risk.

3. There was no major problem with the arrangement from that private dive bar. If the girl had just stayed and been good she would have for sure made more than when she tried to hustle me. I always underpromise and overdeliver. I just close things out pronto when I feel there are trust issues on a deal. One girl in Pattaya agreed to 1500 LT and she was the best and super GFE. She stayed with me for several days and nights. I went shopping with her, bought her stuff to wear to go out with me etc and had zero problem dropping 2k on just that. She never ever looked at anything I gave her , and I gave her about 15 k in total over 4 days and spent another 3k just on drinks and food with her. So, for me, I always start out low and see where things go....and the ones who never being up money or time and are total GFE I am very generous with them not just with money but also my heart ( during the time I am with them 100 PC attention ). And, I won't be seeing or talking with that girl again until I return next, by which time she might have ( and should have) a farang BF. I don't have her FB or any other info and I do that on purpose .....

Now, as far the Alocarts (did not know that name so thanks) I think I may just check them out again and sit and have a drink this time (but not more) because it just seems low risk adventurous fun that I may not get to do again for a while and try to chat with some of those girls. LOL. I have not seen anything of this style / quality and density in Pattaya and these are surely trying to feed off Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1883141]

So goeth my first 2 nights and as I noted I am missing Pattaya already because BKK is like any other big commercial city and its all just commerce. No GFE like Pattaya. More reason next time to never stay in BKK.[/QUOTE]Hey Haven Old Buddy.

I am sorry to hear you have the Pattaya a blues. But if I know you, I am sure things will turn around for you soon.

I am a bit surprised to hear about the overwhelming Falang / Thai girl ratio at Sugar. There were some farangs there when I was tehre in December, but it was mostly Thai with a lot of cute younger girls that liked hip hop. Maybe the ratio on the weekdays will be better? That's when I went.

Your experience with BBeat echoes mine form December. I was in and out of there pretty quickly and I found most of the girls to be 5 and under. But given Tomasb's excellent reports I am willing to give the place another try next time I am in town.

I have avoided the alcocart girls as I have heard they they are really there to cage for drinks. Your story seems to confirm these suspicions.

I think you should give Levels another try. I think you'll like it. Just leave your favorite Maui surfer hat at home. 555.

And since you are feeling adventurous, I'd give Mixx a try as well. It's interesting place with a very diverse crowd: African, CIS, Latin, and form all over Asia. The last time I was there I met a really cute Latin looking girl that ended up being Vietnamese. What a trip! She must have some American blood in her. I guess Mixx really lives up to its name. 555.

I did not take her as I had already gone all in on a very pretty and busty Chinese looking Thai girl (I am a total sucker for a girl wearing a cheongsam). I would have gone back to look for miss Latin Vietnam but it was my last night in BKK.

Mixx is definitely a place to be explored further.

Stay horny my friend and I look forward to your posts!

Uncle-V.

Yesterday went to Suckers in Nana somewhat by accident.

Firstly went to Mercury bar, to catch up with gogo girl Noi known for several years with super ass. Also to recheck on 2 or 3 good looking Coyotes, a tall slim one called Palm in particular. She can be barfined after midnight for 1500, but it is not clear to me yet if she is available for sex. Could be a case of how much she likes the customer. Yesterday did not get to talk to her that much as she was swamped by regular customers, even though she worked there just 4 weeks. Some Asian guy BFed her after midnight to go to a disco in RCA. I might have better luck getting to Palm on a quiet night, however then she is not guaranteed to show up. Fai and Naam are other pretty Coyotes at Mercury but I prefer Palm. As for the gogo girls there, only Noi interests me at all. Took her for Short time, always excellent.

On my way out I am about to head home when spot a pretty hostess sitting in front of Suckers, so decide to stop for a drink. She heads inside the curtain door of suckers, so I follow to tell her I will buy her a drink. Her name is Min. Seems someone inside spotted me. It is Oom, ex No. 91 from Crazy House. I had a drink outside with Min and Oom. Chemistry with Min did not exactly build in the circumstances.

Oom was one of my regular girls that disappeared about 4 weeks ago from Crazy House, and I did not have her phone number (now I do). She claimed the reason is that Suckers allow her to give the phone number. This is crazy since I do have contact for several other CH girls, so don't know why she would say that.

The reason she left CH, was fighting with other girls, and No. 34 in particular with 800 gm silicones on each side "melons". Oom had been overheard making adverse comments about the huge tits 2 or 3 times apparently, and that led to "boxing" on the 3rd floor (restaurant level).

Coming back to Suckers, the girls were only very high class to my taste. Oom was clearly the pick of them to my taste. No. 66 was slim with good body and reasonable face, so she would be 2nd. Perhaps pretty girls had been barfined and left much earlier of course. Quite a few really ugly girls and quite a few really ugly ladyboys as well. Some girls reasonable looking spoiled by silicones or nose jobs. E. g. 79 had good face but did not like the sillies. Some girls with a good body but face not good enough. One of the older female staff that looks after girls locker area etc. Came over, was drunk, and rather annoying. I don't like hasslers. Bar was quite busy, although it is Saturday night. A hens party arrived there wearing rabbit ears, and some of the rabbits were prettier than the gogo girls.

I guess I will be back to Suckers, but purely to see Oom, I guess. She is 21 tall with very light skin from Udon, lost weight recently so in good shape. Nice tits just A cup. Pretty face. She has been doing gogo for over 3 years so originally was an illegal when started at CH. Had a Thai boy originally but supposedly has ditched him quite some time ago and sleeps alone or with pet dog. Has managed to avoid getting pregnant so that is one good thing, so body is still girly with no babies. Likes strong sex. Maybe I am not quite strong enough. LOL

Most of gogo girls either have a Thai boy or at least did have one some time in the past. This is evident from all the single mothers in gogos. What percentage still have a Thai boy? It might be somewhat lower than 80% given the significant number of single mothers where Thai man shot through to some other girl. There are also girls that hate Thai men and only like Farangs, if we can believe it. There are also girls disappearing from gogos due to a pregnancy, mostly with Thai boys, I guess. I have met only the odd Thai girl that got pregnant and had a baby to a Farang customer. Not many though.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1883172]Hey Haven Old Buddy.

...............

Mixx is definitely a place to be explored further.

Stay horny my friend and I look forward to your posts!

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]So, Uncle V as I mentioned before; I don't usually drink the Buddy kool aid, but when I do, I prefer a " Young Buddy ". Because me like a young Body too!

Ya, tonight is Mixx in your honor, my younger buddy!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1883222]So, Uncle V as I mentioned before; I don't usually drink the Buddy kool aid, but when I do, I prefer a " Young Buddy ". Because me like a young Body too!

Ya, tonight is Mixx in your honor, my younger buddy![/QUOTE]Haven, you hansom man (is that better?) 555.

I really look forward to reading your report. I just hope it sis hopping on a Sunday night.

Have fun!

You. V.

At Mercury bar, I was sitting next to gorgeous (to my eye) Coyote Palm's customer. Turns out he was same age, same country of origin and very similar taste to mine in girls. He started yacking to me so much about old times (having been in Bangkok for 27 years), the former Thermae that stayed open much later than all the other bars, the Cowboy and Dollhouse (where Noi moved from), that my girl Noi asked if he wanted to barfine me LOL. Girls need to get proper attention from their customer, sometimes. LOL.

Got his number for future advice on taxation, pensions, Visas for Thailand, etc. He is a "Cowboy" man, like me, but also like me, goes to any place that has a special girl. In his case, he there for Palmy.

Apparently one guy who used to work at Dollhouse is serving 27 years for drug distribution. Former owner of Dollhouse took the accidental plunge from his high rise apartment to be splattered below, was possibly implicated as well. Known to be highly erratic and spaced out.

I was dismayed to see that the modern Thermae closes at 1AM. That was roughly the time the former Thermae (very close to Miami Hotel in Soi 13) used to get going 25 years ago, when girls would arrive from other bars and venues that still needed a customer. Vast majority of customers were Farangs back then and place was buzzing with high activity. So different now. Rather quiet and conservative with heaps of spare space, and girls mostly dressed very conservatively all lined up demurely waiting for customers to show some interest. If I can't see the body is good, then no interest unless girl is really stunning.

Went to some soi cowboy gogo. Ended up bar fining a coyote girl. She rambled on about a bunch of stuff I can only assume is total lies but she also said that she does not go with every customer but will go with me "you have bad body but you are good so I go with you I not go with you if you not good". I am not sure what kind of drugs would convince her to say something which make so little sense. Obviously I am a bad guy, because I go to bars, to molest young girls from 3rd world countries who are half my age. Anyway, as intended she seemed a lot more like a "real, western girl" which was my intention. Brought her back to my hotel and had awkward sex with her making pain faces and whinging all the way through. She also made a point that she hated the taste of my cock. I don't know why but I really got off on that and told her "good, then you suck some more". She sucked my cock for about 15 minutes and genuinely appeared to hate it though I suspect that was an act to make me feel guilty. For 9000 baht I feel no guilt for anything. Next we moved to missionary. She said "go slow" so I went fast. The condom fell off and now I am taking anti biotics. Once I saw that the condom was off I pulled it out and came all over her face. She made a cum hating face and I rubbed my cock over her mouth. Which was nice. Then we had a shower together and cuddled in bed and she said more insane shit. This was so great and refreshing for me because it was TRUE GF experience. A true GF experience is where you spend a fortune on a girl, then listen to her rant for hours on end and then have awkward, uncomfortable sex until you finally convince her to let you cum on her face then she acts like it is acid. She left at 3 am, instead of 6 am because and I quote " I need to do cocaine and party ". I was fine with it, I said that she can leave when she wants and money is on the table.

Total damage 3 k, bar fine, 5 k long time. Memories: priceless. I recommend to anyone to go to gogo bar. In my opinion the coyote are better than FKK girls but you cannot have sex with them and they don't do anal. At an FKK you have gorgeous girls who will let you do anything you want normally and none of this Bangkok bullshit but it is a bit more expensive. I can only last 3 days in thailand I am calling it quits and going home. I can understand why some people enjoy Thailand but I am not one of those people. Those tuk tuk drivers need to be kicked off the roads. I almost go myself in trouble because I said to the guy "take me to annies massage" I point to it on map he takes me to some fucking alley somwhere and says "here here you have nice massage". I am thinking what the fuck do you think I was born yesterday? You are obviously going to rob me. So I gave him 20 baht in change and walked off. I said to him "you took me to other side of fucking Bangkok". I cannot stand Bangkok, they drive me insane. Always lies, lies, lies always trying to steal your money. I have never been so paranoid about any place before. Bangkok is not good if you are like me and struggle with big cities. Germany is calm, organised, easy to get around and most things (apart from the RLD) are up front and honest. Bangkok is overly expensive compared to quality on offer. The girls are not that attractive and many are old. At annies the service is amazing. I sometimes like older ladies who are affectionate so I went to Annies. Also, be careful of freelance bar girls, they might be cute but I have heard that up to 40% of the have HIV. For me the cost of Thailand just does not justify the quality of the ladies and the lack of everything else. If coyote quality girls were willing to come and fuck for 9000 baht all night on a moments notice, then sure, then Bangkok is good but what they will do is take your 9000 baht and then try to not fuck you. The rest of the women are just not beautiful enough for my tastes. I like fresh young girls who are pretty and I just could not find the quality in Bangkok that I have come to expect.

Highly recommend the blowjob bar [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. While the girls are not all that pretty, they are young and they give you a no bullshit blowjob from start to finish for only 800 baht.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]I can only last 3 days in thailand I am calling it quits and going home.[/QUOTE]I find this to be the highlight of your report, at least the one I've appreciated more. Don't slam the door on your ass.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292] In my opinion the coyote are better than FKK girls but you cannot have sex with them and they don't do anal. At an FKK you have gorgeous girls who will let you do anything you want normally and none of this Bangkok bullshit but it is a bit more expensive.[/QUOTE]Everybody here told you to avoid coyote girls and you can find a cute and pretty girl LT for 2/3/4000 baht LT. I honestly do not understand the sense to spend 9000 baht and then treat her like shit.

In Frankfurt FKK you can fuck girl in the ass for 150 euro for 30 minute only (160 euro in Artemis), in Thailand I can fuck girl in the ass for hours with only 30/50 euro especially in Pattaya. I go often in the FKK and other german venues for weekend but anal sex in FKK is overpriced.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]Also, be careful of freelance bar girls, they might be cute but I have heard that up to 40% of the have HIV.[/QUOTE]Bullshit!

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]Those tuk tuk drivers need to be kicked off the roads. [/QUOTE]Everybody know that tuktuk are scam and you don't have to use them especially for reach massage shop or other sex venues. But probably is so difficult for you to jump on a BTS, come down at Nana Station and walk to Annies.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]I can only last 3 days in thailand I am calling it quits and going home.[/QUOTE]Not totally surprising. Folks here tried to give you some advice but you never seemed to accept that Bangkok might not fit you pre-conceived notion of what it should be, ie full of "young girls from 3rd world countries" who will do anything for your money.

Respect goes a long way in Thailand. Your accounts with the ladies read borderline misogynistic. They are not sex robots, and can sense if a customer has a "warm heart" or not. Most times as with Thai culture they match kindness with kindness, and will likely turn you down flat or throw your money back in your face if you act like a jerk.

And FWIW I see you figured out a way to spend 8 k for what turned out to be a NWE (near wife experience) congrats on achieving that!

SL.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1883298]I find this to be the highlight of your report, at least the one I've appreciated more. Don't slam the door on your ass.[/QUOTE]BURN!

Nicely done ONG!

I nominate your report for the most inane of the year (and last year as well). You are truly a jerk off. 9000 baht? How does it feel to be played as a fool? Hopefully, you will find another website more suitable for your nonsense diatribes.

I am very sorry that you all do not like my report. I did not mean to upset anyone.

The coyote was good. Like a real girl. Worth 9000 baht only complaint was her personality.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883362]I am very sorry that you all do not like my report. I did not mean to upset anyone.

The coyote was good. Like a real girl. Worth 9000 baht only complaint was her personality.[/QUOTE]I actually really enjoyed your report, MrManGuy. I was personally offended by just about everything in there, but it was very informative (see below), so thanks for sharing.

I think there are many reasons you are getting such blow back.

(1) You paid a lot of money (FAR more than you needed to), thereby ignoring the recommendations of those on this board. I'm not offended by this. It's your money, you have free will, and can exercise it as you please.

(2) You went after a Coyote girl, thereby ignoring the recommendations of those on this board. I'm not particularly offended by this. We all have our own preferences.

(3) You were pretty abusive to this girl, and you seemed to take pleasure in that abuse. I am offended by both your behavior and the glee with which you describe your actions.

(4) You spent the entire second paragraph trashing BKK. This is the BKK thread on ISG! Those of us on here LOVE BKK as a mongering city. We are the ones who know how superb this city is for smart, flexible, open-minded mongers. And your utterly negative views of the most mundane things in this city reveal a pretty sharp close-mindedness, and it gives newbies the wrong impression of this truly magnificent city (and its people). Moreover, your behavior gives everyone (mongers and local Thai people alike) a negative impression of us as farang mongers. So it's offensive.

Having said all that, I am glad you posted your report, since it does give us a glimpse into the world of over-priced coyote girl bar fining. I am now more convinced than ever that it is not worth pursuing a coyote girl. It has also renewed my belief that when I return to BKK in a couple of weeks, I am going to do my damndest to spread kindness instead of cruelty, since it will (obviously) be reciprocated in spades. I encourage you to do the same. Give BKK another chance, perhaps go down to Pattaya and try things down there (it's a smaller city, and it might be more to your liking). And if you do, I hope you post your reports here again, without fear of reprisal. I for one will be looking for your future reports.

The stunning Donut came back to Crazy house for two days. She never seems to take more than 5 minutes to hook a customer even on Sunday night when bar was rather empty later on.

I BFed before she got more than 2 metres inside the front door. LOL. Another girl was wishing she could get that sort of attention. With certaim girls you have to be extrenely quick or miss out.

Jane actually danced one set and was barfined promptly after that. She is hot too.

First time I saw either girl for about two weeks.

Show up when they need to and making money is a certainty for the top girls.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1883572]I actually really enjoyed your report, MrManGuy.

I was personally offended by just about everything It has also renewed my belief that when I return to BKK in a couple of weeks, I am going to do my damndest to spread kindness instead of cruelty, since it will (obviously) be reciprocated in spades. I encourage you to do the same. Give BKK another chance, perhaps go down to Pattaya and try things down there (it's a smaller city, and it might be more to your liking).[/QUOTE]It's a sad commentary on the complexity of the world we all live in, Kumbu.

Well, you will make up for it as you said. I plan to be back in Jan for a month and I hope to also spread kindness and happiness when I am back. IMO, the Thai people are pretty special with such a wonderful and humble culture. I am no expert like many of you here but if it's only about money and sex then IMO then one has missed the essence of life in general, and the heart and soul of Thai people, women and their culture.

Although, I had a better time in Pattaya than BKK, I met some wonderful human beings who work in the restaurant here at my hotel. And, two very kind and generous women in Pattaya. None in Pattaya or BKK were mistakes and I am glad to have spent some time with them. Now, I never agree to ST and the plan always is many days and nights, so YMMV. I eschew quantity and embrace the quality and totality of my experience with them.

Personally, I believe this guy has bad karma. And IMO, rightly so, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1883609]...I hope to also spread kindness and happiness when I am back. [/QUOTE]Of that, I am certain Haven123.

I've enjoyed your reports immensely. The non-stop dancing, the care-free attitude, despite the misses amongst the hits. What I especially enjoy about your reports is the unvarnished honesty. E. g. , you did not hold back in your dismay about BKK versus Pattaya, which is great. I hope you don't give up on BKK (others have said this already), since the richness and complexity of the city offers some really special surprises. It's a harder city (in many ways), but when you find that gem, it is that much more special.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1883615]Of that, I am certain Haven123.

I've enjoyed your reports immensely. The non-stop dancing, the care-free attitude, despite the misses amongst the hits. What I especially enjoy about your reports is the unvarnished honesty. E. g. , you did not hold back in your dismay about BKK versus Pattaya, which is great. I hope you don't give up on BKK (others have said this already), since the richness and complexity of the city offers some really special surprises. It's a harder city (in many ways), but when you find that gem, it is that much more special.[/QUOTE]Haha.

No I have not given up on BKK. There is no dismay. In fact just back from MIXX, and went straight to the breakfast buffet at my hotel where I enjoyed talking at length to one the girls who works there for quite some time. For the 3 RD straight day. Another one from Udon Thani! Married, 2 kids 5 and 3 ( back with mom) and husband is always doing construction work and she works 2 am to 2pm. I love the way she handles people . The grace and beauty in her interactions with the Japanese who can speak neither English nor Thai ( and this morning helping a Japanese guy on crutches with his seat and then going and getting the food for him so he does not have to.

So, I will surely spend a few nights in BKK again. It's just that for me (given my personality and nature), the pure tourism related culture in Pattaya (even though commercialized), and kind of the island feel because of the water, it seems to make people more laid back (no pun intended) ! And there are many such parallels (although each is relative to its own domain) in many countries around the world.

YMMV If you live here, but since I am just a visitor, my experience was better with the people I met in Pattaya, just talking and learning about them and trying to get a feel for them, their lives and life history.

I don't rush into things. I am super patient, and can wait for months until something right and with a kindred spirit comes along. Gogos for example, don't work for me. But, I don't get tied down either. I am a wanderer, an adventurer, looking for free spirits and trying to sip life vs. trying to gulp it down.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1883292]Went to some soi cowboy gogo. Ended up bar fining a coyote girl. She rambled on about a bunch of stuff I can only assume is total lies but she also said that she does not go with every customer but will go with me "you have bad body but you are good so I go with you I not go with you if you not good". I am not sure what kind of drugs would convince her to say something which make so little sense. Obviously I am a bad guy, because I go to bars, to molest young girls from 3rd world countries who are half my age. [/QUOTE]I personally don't have any great problem with you paying a 3 K barfine if that is what you want and the girl is really something super stunning. I have seen plenty of guys waiting till after midnight for the BF price reduction to 1500 (in the Mercury bar), and taking a fabulous Coyote away, even if they supposedly will not fuck "officially".

I don't know why you think the girl was on drugs. What she said is normal and makes perfect sense, even if not perfect English. Essentially, girls do not want to go with just any guy, overly full of himself and extra arrogant and causing her to stress out or be physically damaged. She doesn't care that the customer has a bad body. That is not important. She is prepared to spend time with a "nice" guy. Was she fooled? Are you basically a nice guy, or actually an asshole? Your writing style seems to show arrogance to me, and that is part of what others readers took a dislike to I guess (not just the money spent), but the real you could potentially be capable of being much nicer. Okay Sometimes the girl is fooling herself just a little, and the size of your wallet becomes more important than just being very nice to them.

Many girls I go with, claim to like old guys that are generous and "nice" to them in general. They do refuse plenty of customers that they take an aversion to. They claim money is not the only thing. They want a relatively stress free experience.

I only comment on the first part of your report as I did not read the whole lot and try to digest it.

Hey Haven, my young sexyman buddy! .

I am curious to hear about your impressions of Mixx.

Don't leave us in suspense. 555.

Have a great trip back home and happy returns to the LOS.

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle V.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1883752]Essentially, girls do not want to go with just any guy, overly full of himself and extra arrogant and causing her to stress out or be physically damaged. She doesn't care that the customer has a bad body. That is not important. She is prepared to spend time with a "nice" guy. Was she fooled? Are you basically a nice guy, or actually an asshole? Your writing style seems to show arrogance to me, and that is part of what others readers took a dislike to I guess (not just the money spent), but the real you could potentially be capable of being much nicer. Okay sometimes the girl is fooling herself just a little, and the size of your wallet becomes more important than just being very nice to them.

Many girls I go with, claim to like old guys that are generous and "nice" to them in general. They do refuse plenty of customers that they take an aversion to. They claim money is not the only thing. They want a relatively stress free experience.
[/QUOTE]I find that what you wrote is mostly true, but not all or at least not completely. Let me clarify that my Thai experience of many years and many hundreds of thousands baht is limited to disco free-lancers, as I never visit go-go's and much less talk to Coyotes there (although I've been to some Coyote clubs, of the type where Thai guys go), however I still think there is much common behavior between the two when it come to chose a customer, as I will explain later.

First of all, with top young FLs (and even not so top sometime), [B]it's absolutely false that they will place a guy's attitude or money before age[/B]. The typical top FL will NOT give a guy past 40 yrs a chance to even come close (while of course the Coyote will be glad to extract a lady drink from pretty much anyone). This refusal is expressed in the usual ways, the first, of course, is never crossing looks. Be reassured they have seen you right away, the only time where a FL doesn't look much at men is when she has a customer already. The second, which happens if you insist looking or smiling to her, is resorting to a friend's help, they will quickly both glance at you pointing as needed (signal for you that a decision is coming), tell something to each other covering their mouths, then making bland faces or waving the hand a little to decline. Depending on the woman attitude and education it can be much worse than that, like disgusted faces, signs for you to move around etc. If she's alone she will put on a quick half-smile and start looking at her phone, or drink. All that within 10 seconds, she will not even know if you're drunk, smell bad, from which country etc. She made her decision already based on the guy age, and very distant second factor, looks. The other thing that they do when they want to be helpful is point to another friend, invariably the older, fatter or uglier one in the party. Now, for some it may be difficult to accept a refusal (come on, I came there with the best intention of the world, not having ever wronged any hooker, full of money, and this 100 dollars biatch turns me down? That is ridiculous!). But in fact it's the best news one could receive, as it's just saying "I'll spare you from wasting your money in a pitiful sexual experience". So I think one should appreciate that clear and honest message, my reaction however is not to smile or wai but just laugh it off and move on. I've seen men that are unable to accept this fact and usually it ends with a small scene, if you know what I mean.

That much for the 1st approach issue to a top / young FL, which of course isn't a problem with a beautiful Coyote, even if I've read that is not completely unusual to receive unfriendly treatment from them too. Now, of course you can convince or pay well enough a top Coyote, and even in some occasion a top / young FL, and from there we go to the 2nd part, which I think applies independently from your age or looks.

Then for the "good guy" and "I don't care if you old or ugly" part. [B]That you will be treated good if you are "good" (a very subjective definition), is largely a cliche'[/B]. The more real fact is that for a normal Thai hooker a "good guy" is simply someone that in short pays well and makes her work quick and easy, which defined as no complain or issue with any of the following: Empty stupid talking. Pre-coital smoking. Separate showers with her lasting 20 minutes. Towel roll parade and immediate slipping between bedsheets. Turn on TV. No kissing. Short, hand-aided BJ. "jep jep" to avoid deep pumping. And of course, quickly going for panties after the 1st shot "Oh no I never do LT", phone calls "friend have no keys". "you tip me more for taxi na?" Now, these are common defects of even very plain looking Thai women, of course top girls are not different, actually they can get away with that even more easily.

Now, again on challenges that an older guy has in finding a decent partner, one would think, hey, there must be plenty of great looking older women to chose from! Especially considering that with Asian women is difficult to tell their age, and they age nicely (another cliche') well, is not so. [B]There are many more hot or attractive young women available for sex than older ones of the same level[/B]. The reason is simple, the young ones are doing their best money in total freedom at the peak of their energies. But as they grow older they realize that working the disco or club every night is, after all, fatiguing. That the continuous drinking makes them fat. That changing men every night made them indifferent to sex and relationship. Some realize that in time, or just in time, marry or settle with a single provider or two in rotation, and are out of the main market. The ones that grasp to the nightlife are there for you to see them degrading night after night. Note I'm talking here about the top 5%, for all the others that aren't so lucky life is just what is and what they can make of it.

The result is that you see tons of older foreigners (and some young one too) towing women (or vice-versa) that I wouldn't do for free. Is it that bad? Yes at times it is and even before looking at the money side of it. But, if you work the large numbers, are good at screening, you may get lucky sometime. [B]But don't stress that you have to be "good" all the time. Be yourself and more specifically be the yourself that you want to be in Thailand[/B].

I have been lucky sometime, sometime it didn't lasted at all, sometime it did and went well beyond a paid relationship; doing this entertains myself, that's why I keep coming back and have no problem with anything of the above. These are part of the game, accept or stay home and jack-off.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1883774]Hey Haven, my young sexyman buddy! .

I am curious to hear about your impressions of Mixx.

Don't leave us in suspense. 555.

Have a great trip back home and happy returns to the LOS.

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle V.[/QUOTE]FANTASTIC!

Loved the decor, the ambiance, the hard wood floors, the DJ, the music. All of it. Very well dressed and very good eye candy. I had a great time enjoying the ambiance, the scenery, the music and stayed from about 12 until 5. A couple girls came to me early on, but I was just in my own dancing zone with some other farang men and women. One tall blond Russian girl or CIS would walk by me keep taking my hat off and play with it and put it back on my head! There were some girls I talked to towards the end but I didn't like the verbal interaction. Difficult to explain. They just came across as super pros to me. Very beautiful and very elegant and I think models 5 years ago, when they were in their 20's. Super heavy thick make up. 2-3 approached me...one with a great body, very slim and a good dancer...but for some reason ( dunno why) I just was not feeling it. I am pretty sure that I did not strike while the iron was hot and then it was too late....

One I liked very much and talked to for a few minutes was super nice, pretty and the kind I definitely love. Unfortunately, it was her first time there, she was with a girl friend, worked at the airport for Qatar airways. Not avail to anyone for take out.

On the way back as I got out of my taxi near my hotel and Soi Cowboy I came across another girl (with a much older woman) who was young and cute, my type, but she wanted only ST which I don't care for anyway (for 1500) . She said she worked at Soi Cowboy (I think Coyote she just looked totally Coyote) but when I asked she said she did not have her ID on her and she was in street clothes. Then right across from my hotel heard music and a shack of a place, appropriately named ' Love Shack ' that is a Karaoke bar frequented by young Thai guys. Many young girls (again it seems Soi Cowboy Coyote girls after work at Soi Cowboy). Went in and bought a drink and chatted an older lady / manager Thai dude. Found a really cute girl I liked (another Coyote I think from Chiang Mai) and she wanted 2500ST and said she goes for between 4-5 K for LT. Declined my offer of 3k LT at 545 am! Went and hit the fantastic buffet at my hotel that starts at 6 and went to bed. Just so you know why I passed. I was pretty wasted with alcohol by then and decided to pass and just go to bed as plan was to go to Wat Po early PM (which I did after nearly 16 years!) and hired a great guide there for myself.

Thus ended by BKK escapade. No regrets ...no worries ...all good. I should have hit MiXX 2 nights earlier...totally my kind of place. Error on my part...my bad. But, now I know where to go...thanks to you. MIXX is hot, MIXX rocks and MiXX is a keeper for the future. :-)

[QUOTE=Haven123;1883823]FANTASTIC!

. I should have hit MiXX 2 nights earlier...totally my kind of place. Error on my part...my bad. But, now I know where to go...thanks to you. MIXX is hot, MIXX rocks and MiXX is a keeper for the future. :-)[/QUOTE]I am so happy you had fun at Mixx. I was a little worried that it may be a little too pro for your tastes, so I pushed Sugar over it initially. But I guess there are enough girls there that are less hardened.

And it was a Sunday night. Which is usually the slowest of the week for most clubs. So I think it may be even better on other nights.

Unlike Ibar (the world champion 555! , it may be better to be more proactive about finding a girl for the night in the 1 AM to 3 AM zone.

Great tip on the Karaoke place. Looks like a good place to score FLs after hours. Those prices they quoted were pretty good if the girls really were Coyotes. I will be looking for it next time I am in BKK and up at that hour.

I'll miss your daily reports and observation, my friend.

Godspeed and happy trials!

You. V.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1883812]I find that what you wrote is mostly true, but not all or at least not completely. Let me clarify that my Thai experience of many years and many hundreds of thousands baht is only related to disco free-lancers, as I never visit go-go's and much less talk to Coyotes there (although I've been to some Coyote clubs, of the type where Thai guys go), however I still think there is much common behavior between the two when it come to chose a customer, as I will explain later.
[/QUOTE]Your views on freelancers at those venues are noted, and may be accurate. I cannot argue without experience.

I think its a bit like chalk and cheese. I am experienced mainly with hookers at gogos and the glorified ones, so called "Coyotes" but not really like Coyotes at the Thai clubs at all. Most are crappy dancers for example.

Sure some girls are looking for hot young handsome man. I did get knocked back by a girl on occasion preferring a young man, or sometimes preferring a Japanese. Sometimes the knock back could be purely that they have a regular customer possibly available. They aren't going to give the exact reasons.

And my early years at Thermae, the freelancers were sometimes very picky about the guy. They would not take just anyone. Perhaps they wanted money and some fun. Some girls were refusing plenty of guys and even leaving at closing time without a guy. I felt good because I was not getting the knockbacks. I was aged 35 at that time, but average looking I guess.

However I do see plenty of gogo girls liking very old fat guys that look far worse than me. I do see so called gogo club Coyotes very happy to go with an old guy of 60, if the guy is nice, accommodating and providing the money. She may not want to fuck him. That is another issue. One of the Coyotes at Mercury (an exceptional dancer against the trend) Noo Naa (also called Anna) fucked me okay She was a sex bomb and seemed to love fucking and had a lot of stamina. A somewhat crazy type of girl but very cute. Rumoured to have a Tomboy girlfriend but still loves fucking dick.

I think it is two totally different scenes, most likely.

I recognise my experience in bars is greatly biased by the fact that girls that don't want my type will obviously avoid me. Occasionally I have been hot for a girl but she is not interested at all. It happens rarely though. It's usually the other way round even though I am old and not so handsome. Coyotes are different. They come to me largely for drinks. Doesn't mean they want to fuck me. I have only ever fucked 2 or three "Coyotes" so the experience is very limited.

However lets just say that sure, that a lot of gogo girls are into older nice guys, not too stingy. It's the best way for them to make money not too stressed, and some old guys can fuck just fine, whether the girl is horny or not at all. Sometimes they don't care if the old guys can perform well or not, quite obviously.

In the end, the girl's statement that she wanted a good guy, and bad body was acceptable, does make sense, even if she deludes herself slightly about her money motives.

I get to go with a very hot bargirl Donut several times, prettier than most Cowboy Coyotes. Barfine in the normal range so no need for more expensive Coyote. She can have any guy she wants in the bar except for those requiring big tits, just about. She is happy to take me and even seems to enjoy the sex or is extremely good actress. She does say she likes sex. She is much preferring a "nice" guy, sometimes with a bad body. She was very happy with a fat middle aged guy, who was a doctor, that has 3 kids but whose wife was deceased, she told me. Very nice guys are appreciated. Her primary objective is not to search for young arrogant hunks. She has to make money to finance her Uni degree and also younger sister's school fees.

I have been to some discos like Insomnia, Bed Supper Club, Spicy (a horrible club), Shock something (even more horrible), have been to Bangkok Beat, etc., Nana Hotel disco, the one under Ambassador long ago. I probably need to try more up market clubs, since those I did not find that many girls that would have really interested me. Bangkok Beat talent was nothing special, didn't see any great bodies there. The disco under Ambassador was the only one I could say I had a really good time, the music no doubt better suited to my age. Too many years ago, now.

Maybe some girls were above average for pretty face. I generally do not like the music at the discos. It is not the songs of yesteryear. It's just noise and thumping. I am going to try some latin music venues, better suited to my age.

I am more a daytime or early evening monger. I rarely fuck after midnight.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1883835]I think it is two totally different scenes, most likely.[/QUOTE]I agree. The good thing is that one could play both games well, being smart and properly "mannered" is a global asset. Thanks for your insight!

Finally convinced the missus for a two day stop over in Bangkok for shopping before heading over to Samui.

Might have managed to convince her for a menage-e-trois with a lady also one night. Any leads or pointers to get things right and not mess up this opportunity.

Where to find pretty girls who'd be into couples and give us a great experience?

Cheers and thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1883812]I find that what you wrote is mostly true, but not all or at least not completely. Let me clarify that my Thai experience of many years and many hundreds of thousands baht is limited to disco free-lancers, as I never visit go-go's and much less talk to Coyotes there (although I've been to some Coyote clubs, of the type where Thai guys go), however I still think there is much common behavior between the two when it come to chose a customer, as I will explain later.

First of all, with top young FLs (and even not so top sometime), [B]it's absolutely false that they will place a guy's attitude or money before age[/B]. The typical top FL will NOT give a guy past 40 yrs a chance to even come close (while of course the Coyote will be glad to extract a lady drink from pretty much anyone). This refusal is expressed in the usual ways, the first, of course, is never crossing looks. Be reassured they have seen you right away, the only time where a FL doesn't look much at men is when she has a customer already. The second, which happens if you insist looking or smiling to her, is resorting to a friend's help, they will quickly both glance at you pointing as needed (signal for you that a decision is coming), tell something to each other covering their mouths, then making bland faces or waving the hand a little to decline. Depending on the woman attitude and education it can be much worse than that, like disgusted faces, signs for you to move around etc. If she's alone she will put on a quick half-smile and start looking at her phone, or drink. All that within 10 seconds, she will not even know if you're drunk, smell bad, from which country etc. She made her decision already based on the guy age, and very distant second factor, looks. The other thing that they do when they want to be helpful is point to another friend, invariably the older, fatter or uglier one in the party. Now, for some it may be difficult to accept a refusal (come on, I came there with the best intention of the world, not having ever wronged any hooker, full of money, and this 100 dollars biatch turns me down? That is ridiculous!). But in fact it's the best news one could receive, as it's just saying "I'll spare you from wasting your money in a pitiful sexual experience". So I think one should appreciate that clear and honest message, my reaction however is not to smile or wai but just laugh it off and move on. I've seen men that are unable to accept this fact and usually it ends with a small scene, if you know what I mean.

That much for the 1st approach issue to a top / young FL, which of course isn't a problem with a beautiful Coyote, even if I've read that is not completely unusual to receive unfriendly treatment from them too. Now, of course you can convince or pay well enough a top Coyote, and even in some occasion a top / young FL, and from there we go to the 2nd part, which I think applies independently from your age or looks.

Then for the "good guy" and "I don't care if you old or ugly" part. [B]That you will be treated good if you are "good" (a very subjective definition), is largely a cliche'[/B]. The more real fact is that for a normal Thai hooker a "good guy" is simply someone that in short pays well and makes her work quick and easy, which defined as no complain or issue with any of the following: Empty stupid talking. Pre-coital smoking. Separate showers with her lasting 20 minutes. Towel roll parade and immediate slipping between bedsheets. Turn on TV. No kissing. Short, hand-aided BJ. "jep jep" to avoid deep pumping. And of course, quickly going for panties after the 1st shot "Oh no I never do LT", phone calls "friend have no keys". "you tip me more for taxi na?" Now, these are common defects of even very plain looking Thai women, of course top girls are not different, actually they can get away with that even more easily.

Now, again on challenges that an older guy has in finding a decent partner, one would think, hey, there must be plenty of great looking older women to chose from! Especially considering that with Asian women is difficult to tell their age, and they age nicely (another cliche') well, is not so. [B]There are many more hot or attractive young women available for sex than older ones of the same level[/B]. The reason is simple, the young ones are doing their best money in total freedom at the peak of their energies. But as they grow older they realize that working the disco or club every night is, after all, fatiguing. That the continuous drinking makes them fat. That changing men every night made them indifferent to sex and relationship. Some realize that in time, or just in time, marry or settle with a single provider or two in rotation, and are out of the main market. The ones that grasp to the nightlife are there for you to see them degrading night after night. Note I'm talking here about the top 5%, for all the others that aren't so lucky life is just what is and what they can make of it.

The result is that you see tons of older foreigners (and some young one too) towing women (or vice-versa) that I wouldn't do for free. Is it that bad? Yes at times it is and even before looking at the money side of it. But, if you work the large numbers, are good at screening, you may get lucky sometime. [B]But don't stress that you have to be "good" all the time. Be yourself and more specifically be the yourself that you want to be in Thailand[/B].

I have been lucky sometime, sometime it didn't lasted at all, sometime it did and went well beyond a paid relationship; doing this entertains myself, that's why I keep coming back and have no problem with anything of the above. These are part of the game, accept or stay home and jack-off.[/QUOTE]Very accurate description of what the BKK FL scene has turned into. Yes, that is what it is now, but that was not the way it was when I moved here in 99. Far from it. One of the reasons Thailand was my choice was seeing the older 60 year old dudes with some of the hottest gals. And yes, that was true, even in the discos. In fact, many of the better looking FLs would flock to the older guys as they had the most money to spend, being most were on fat expat packages or were retired with some money to spend. That all changed as the economy improved and there were more younger guys traveling. In 99 at 35 years old I was among the youngest dudes in the bars of the discos. Now the population of young urban douchebags has exploded in Bangkok, and has effected the FL P4 P scene greatly. In my mind making it far less desirable, especially for a 50 year old like myself.

I do disagree with your point on the age of FLs. I think the overall age has increased in the discos. A lot of 30 and early 40 something gals who think they are still just as hot at their age as they were at 25. I see a lot of younger dudes with the early 30's set. Amazing because I knew some of them when they were in their early 20's so they are not interesting to me. But the new guys on the block seem to have lower standards overall. I do see them with gals I would not touch with a ten foot pole.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1883844]I think the overall age has increased in the discos. A lot of 30 and early 40 something gals who think they are still just as hot at their age as they were at 25.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! I was saying, at least here in Pattaya it's rare to see a late 30's early 40 gal which is objectively hot, only that. Of plain and straight ugly ones there is an industrial amount.

[quote]But the new guys on the block seem to have lower standards overall. I do see them with gals I would not touch with a ten foot pole.[/quote]
So true. Some justice served, hahaha!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1883844]But the new guys on the block seem to have lower standards overall. I do see them with gals I would not touch with a ten foot pole.[/QUOTE]I amazed by standards of bar customers too. They with let the ugliest girls with bad bodies sit on their lap. If a girl cats raunchy, suddenly she is considered hot, no matter how awful she looks to me.

Really young girls can look well below average as well. I am not blaming age. I know some 35 year olds that still look great, with and without babies. Unfortunate some girls are totally wrecked from child birth.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1883835]Your views on freelancers at those venues are noted, and may be accurate. I cannot argue without experience.

Sure some girls are looking for hot young handsome man. I did get knocked back by a girl on occasion preferring a young man, or sometimes preferring a Japanese. Sometimes the knock back could be purely that they have a regular customer possibly available. They aren't going to give the exact reasons.

And my early years at Thermae, the freelancers were sometimes very picky about the guy. They would not take just anyone. Perhaps they wanted money and some fun. Some girls were refusing plenty of guys and even leaving at closing time without a guy. I felt good because I was not getting the knockbacks. [/QUOTE]In March I had my mind set on a FL disco chick. We exchanged information. She was supposed to come over the next day but did not answer my messages. The next time that I saw her in the club she said that we would leave at 4:30. I waited and waited til the wee hours, and turns out she bullshitted me around. But she would always send me a message at 7 am saying she went home alone. I never saw her with any guys. Had me wondering if she was FL afterall.

Well since I left Thailand we would talk on Line sometimes. She told me that when I got back she would meet me at my room. This time true to her word, within 15 minutes of me getting to my place Saturday night she was there. She helped me clean and set my room up. And to top that off, she gave me one of the best sessions ever. She was happy for the 1200 baht the next day when I dropped her off. Now she will undoubtedly come whenever I call, but what her deal was a couple months ago I will never know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1883883]The next time that I saw her in the club she said that we would leave at 4:30. I waited and waited til the wee hours, and turns out she bullshitted me around. But she would always send me a message at 7 am saying she went home alone. I never saw her with any guys.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, I think she was jerking you around precisely because she sensed that you would allow it. These girls have a very keen sense guys are soft, their livelihood literally depends on it. Sometimes, they just jerk us around for an ego boost, just like women often do in the west.

If you're paying for it, you should be the one setting the terms, but that's easy to say and occasionally (when bedazzled by a girl) more difficult to do.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1883930]With all due respect, I think she was jerking you around precisely because she sensed that you would allow it. These girls have a very keen sense guys are soft, their livelihood literally depends on it. Sometimes, they just jerk us around for an ego boost, just like women often do in the west.

If you're paying for it, you should be the one setting the terms, but that's easy to say and occasionally (when bedazzled by a girl) more difficult to do.[/QUOTE]I think you haven't read much of the Pattaya forum to not know about Mr. E. attitude to Thai ladies (laugh). Not sure what it takes to bedazzle or give him the run-around but skin-contact drugs come to mind. So, your predicament may be right, but the recipient is wrong.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1883844]Very accurate description of what the BKK FL scene has turned into. Yes, that is what it is now, but that was not the way it was when I moved here in 99. Far from it. One of the reasons Thailand was my choice was seeing the older 60 year old dudes with some of the hottest gals. And yes, that was true, even in the discos. In fact, many of the better looking FLs would flock to the older guys as they had the most money to spend, being most were on fat expat packages or were retired with some money to spend. That all changed as the economy improved and there were more younger guys traveling. In 99 at 35 years old I was among the youngest dudes in the bars of the discos. Now the population of young urban douchebags has exploded in Bangkok, and has effected the FL P4 P scene greatly. In my mind making it far less desirable, especially for a 50 year old like myself.
[/QUOTE]Goatscrot hits all the right points. I remember coming to Bangkok in my late 20's and thinking there's no major advantage to being a young Farang in terms of girls. It was common to see so many couples with the old and decrepit Farang guy and a hot (or at least reasonably fresh looking) Thai woman in her 20's. It was a heart-warming sight and I thought I could surely count on being that guy in my 60's.

Unfortunately, times have changed, most reasonable looking FLs these days are those who worked the scene 10 years ago and didn't quit in time. Needless to say, their looks didn't improve, but worse yet, the price went up and attitude down. The scene is still limping on, but I shudder to think what it'll be like in 2025 if current trends continue.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1883883]In March I had my mind set on a FL disco chick. We exchanged information. She was supposed to come over the next day but did not answer my messages. The next time that I saw her in the club she said that we would leave at 4:30. I waited and waited til the wee hours, and turns out she bullshitted me around. But she would always send me a message at 7 am saying she went home alone. I never saw her with any guys. Had me wondering if she was FL afterall.

Well since I left Thailand we would talk on Line sometimes. She told me that when I got back she would meet me at my room. This time true to her word, within 15 minutes of me getting to my place Saturday night she was there. She helped me clean and set my room up. And to top that off, she gave me one of the best sessions ever. She was happy for the 1200 baht the next day when I dropped her off. Now she will undoubtedly come whenever I call, but what her deal was a couple months ago I will never know.[/QUOTE]Great report Mr E!

I am glad you got your girl.

Patience, persistence and smarts are rewarded in the end. We can all (especially yours truly) learn from this.

The guy who said she had you "wrapped around her finger" does not know who the hell he is talking to. 555.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1883812]These are part of the game, accept or stay home and jack-off.[/QUOTE]Words to live by. It is a game after all, don't take it seriously, enjoy it for what its worth. You repeat with a girl a few times and she points out that her necklace is broken or points to her finger and asks for a gold ring or starts complaining that your fucking her too much, time to change rides is all.

Yesterday was in 3 bars in Nana Plaza. Billboard was checked again as advised to by another poster a few weeks back.

First up Suckers, just to visit Oom, ex No. 91 from Crazy House. My assessment is this is a really shit bar, including many ladyboys and many silicone jobs, and a few nose jobs. Oom was best girl easily. Very small number 54 had good body but face not quite pretty enough. Girls are often too lazy to dance.

Very late went to Mercury. Got a chance to chat to super pretty Coyote Palm before closing time. She is very special looking. She showed me her picks of a fashion show doing some runway modelling. Always in high demand by the customers. For gogo girls, Noi has great body and one or two others are acceptable, but mostly fatties. Other Coyotes Naam and Faai also look good. Music is good at Mercury. That helps to have fun.

Arrived Billboard about midnight. I was surprised. Billboard had been a pretty dead bar last time visited possibly as much as 2 years ago. Now was pretty vibrant. Circulating stage with a lot of Coyotes and just a few Gogo girls. Quite a number of customers but certainly not packed out. Some customers dancing a bit having a good time. Also the "Ap Naam" soapy bathing area, with maybe 10 girls in the suds topless. Some of those girls have very nice tits (I only saw one bad silicone job). Maybe two or three have faces moderately pretty. I feel sorry for these "soapy" girls. They seem to have to stay there for very long times, unless some guy calls them out. I did not see any actually get called out of there. May have happened earlier.

For the Coyotes and gogos section, I thought several girls had really great bodies (without being able to check the covered tits properly). As for face beauty, that was much tougher to find, due to rather dim lighting in the place. Most girls with the stunning body did not have the stunning face as well. Overall standard for prettiness was a bit weak. Really pretty Coyotes should still be there at midnight, given barfines are higher (I assume). Pretty gogo girls would have been BFed already by midnight and same goes for the soap suds girls. I really need to come back and assess the line up at 9 PM on a Friday or Saturday. However overall impression was that this may well be the best bar in Nana Plaza, without having checked all the others very recently. Its a time since visited Angel Witch and Spankies and all the Rainbows. I can say it was most appealing bar I have seen in Nana. I did not like Bangkok Bunnies, nor Suckers, and Mandarin bars recently were really dreary.

I did not find the really pretty girl at Billboard, but you have to be damn lucky after midnight. Also I was not hanging out at the young girl soap suds area. I probably would not get one of the pretty ones at Crazy House either at that time. However Billboard is worth followup and has possibilities. I could take a stunning body and compromise on the face.

Overall Billboard had very few fatties, if any, only noticed one bad silicone job, probably not so many nose jobs (hard to tell in dim lighting), no ladyboys (I guess). Some staff there known from Crazy House. The fat cheating mamasan that was fired from Crazy House, was probably also fired from Mercury due to money issues, and now is at Billboard unfortunately. I would need to stay well clear of her. Another gay man type mamasan at Billboard came from CH. He (dark skin and chubby) is quite acceptable to me (no problems with him at CH). The odd gogo girl I also recognised as ex CH.

The Billboard Coyotes are not as pretty as the best Coyotes at Mercury. Coyotes can't dance like proper Coyotes anyway, for the most part. Was one exception previously at Mercury but she moved on now. So when we say Nana Plaza (and Cowboy) has Coyotes, we generally mean girls dressed in Coyote like outfits, being the multi layer hard or padded bra, and the cutoff short shorts. There are hardly any that can dance Coyote style, and many are too lazy to, as well.

I am a bored by Crazy House now, except days when my special girls are there. I can get bored by any of these bars if there is no special girl to pull me there. The bar itself matters very little, unless music is really bad or staff are really irritating.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1884163] So when we say Nana Plaza (and Cowboy) has Coyotes, we generally mean girls dressed in Coyote like outfits, being the multi layer hard or padded bra, and the cutoff short shorts. There are hardly any that can dance Coyote style, and many are too lazy to, as well.[/QUOTE]Nice report (as usual)! Very informative, thansk for posting.

The Coyote thing is such a crock! Ruining the gogo scene. And I hate the god damn movie that inspired. Fucking feminist propaganda in disguise.

I am always curious about Rainbow as they have a good track record for lookers. But the girls there can be unenthusiastic. But, as far as I remember, at least they don't use Coyotes. I hope this hasn't changed. It's been over a year since I last checked the place.

I am coming close to the conclusion of my stay this year in Bangkok. Still the great experiences continue. As frequent readers know, I am a aficionado of Bangkok Beat. It is certainly not for everybody particularly for tourists looking for that special young hottie. On many occasions, I leave the bar solo as I can' t find anything of interest but since I live here my philosophy has become there is always tomorrow. Tourists and short timers don't have this luxury, especially at a place as spotty as this. I just happen to like it as some guys only like go go clubs or massage joints.

One thing I know is if you do see someone who fits your qualifications, best option is to move quick. I had been moving around the bar avoiding certain predatory girls and found myself in a relatively empty area on the upper landing facing the band. I had strategically placed myself there because I saw a cute five foot nothing, and probably 95 pound girl dancing by herself. Also, she was a new face and body to me, which is another profile I look for when coming here. We did the obligatory bottle toasting and was dancing with her in no time. She said that she had been here before but it has been awhile as she is housekeeping for a rich Thai family in Bangkok and too busy to go out. So, already, I knew she was a semi-pro or even non-pro. She also professed to being drunk and did not want to drink further.

After a bit of dancing and without further ado, I suggested leaving for my apartment and she promptly agreed so would estimate this entire chain of events took under a half hour. We quickly made it over to my apartment and she stripped off her blouse immediately upon entering the living room focusing my attention on a very nice set of breasts behind a pretty blue bra. Someone suggested a shower as we headed to the bedroom but the showers would have to wait as I immediately kissed her deeply and she responded equally. Stripping off her translucent panties, she turned around and offered herself doggie and a beautiful firm little rounded ass but not before I pushed her on her back to face me and dined at the why and made sure she came, which she told me later was one of two orgasms for our first encounter. After we finished, she went out to the living room and rearranged and folded my discarded clothes. Pretty funny.

We went to sleep but she awoke at dawn wanting more, which I readily obliged. Then another nap, followed by a third offering where she jacked me off as I had run out of condoms. I finally did a friction fuck with her sliding my cock on her clit until she came again.

She left at 11 am and I slipped her 1800 baht. No price had been discussed beforehand. She texted me later thanking me for a good time. She told me that she lived in a small apartment for 5 k Baht per month so I made a modest contribution to her rent expense.

Bangkok has just been amazing for me this year. So many great girls, I don't where to begin and end on who might be my favorite. Really, only one or two at most bad experiences. There is simply no place like it.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884189]I am coming close to the conclusion of my stay this year in Bangkok. Still the great experiences continue. [/QUOTE]Aaaw, say it ain't so? I for one will miss your thoroughly entertaining and informative reports. I consider myself a Bangkok aficionado, though I have not been there for a while, and never having been to Bangkok Beats, your reports have convinced me to give it a shot. I know not to expect heaven the first time I go, but thanks for your diligent reporting on this venue, and on other venues as well.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884189]
Bangkok has just been amazing for me this year. . . There is simply no place like it.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884189]I am coming close to the conclusion of my stay this year in Bangkok. Still the great experiences continue..[/QUOTE]Thanks again for your great posts Tomasb. It's been a great experience to read them.

You are the Baron of Bangkok Beat! Your reports (especially this latest one about the housekeeper girl) make me want to go back and check it out, even though my first experience there was not all that good.

I also need a sexy girl to tidy my room post coitus. 55.

Happy trails and stay horny during your journeys.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884189]I am coming close to the conclusion of my stay this year in Bangkok. Still the great experiences continue. As frequent readers know, I am a aficionado of Bangkok Beat. It is certainly not for everybody particularly for tourists looking for that special young hottie. [/QUOTE]Even I live here part time, I still look for a hottie or "stunner". Saw a really great looker on street outside Nana Hotel last night. Face and body both excellent (and not a LB). A freak occurrence. Probably would have taken her if I did not have other plans.

I guess the attraction to BB must be spending less money on freelancers right? I have been there more than once. I did not like the band that much. Too loud as to make conversation with girls very difficult, and sound quality was pretty poor. The total number of girls above average looks was fairly low and sprinkled with LBs as well. Most girls not slim enough to my taste. Some of us like to have a much larger set of girls to choose from. I take your point about quickly checking it out and moving on if not much talent. That applies to any venue, of course. We are creatures of habit, where we keep coming back to places that have had reasonable success rates, or in my case, keep returning to certain particular girls that really do it for me.

Perhaps I have showed up to BB a bit too late to see the "cream".

In six weeks, I only tried about 5 new girls. Only one of them did I fuck, the first time meeting her (at MP). Three were great (definite repeats) and two would not repeat, and only one of those was poor (the black girl). So I am not at all impulsive and clearly take a long time to decide. This style would contribute to a place like BB not suiting me that much.

I prefer to make a large collection of superior regular girls that I just keep recycling. Have many of them as Contacts on LINE App, to help avoid wasted time.

Yes. I generally agree with most of the observations made by other posters that BB has a lot of lower quality on offer especially when compared to a go-go or other more upscale discos. I just happen to do well because I am patient and can accept leaving empty handed some evenings. Also, I have developed a strategy when I am there in terms of identifying new prospects. For example, since I go regularly, I already know who the regulars are and generally try to give them wide berth though I did make an exception for a girl last week who rewarded me with a memorable 3 some. That being said, last Saturday there were no fewer than 4 women I have taken out over the last two years within ten meters of each other so perhaps it's good that I am leaving BKK at the end of May.

I did have a conversation with the manager there recently who told me they no longer allow LB's in there except for one or two who are well behaved and known to the crew. Apparently, the regular girls already hard pressed by the overwhelming numbers of girls objected to the additional competitive presence of LB's.

It's not necessarily cheaper as the girls start out sometimes with the same obscene price points as other locales but in the end they do seem more willing to negotiate. I also notice that it's busy there between a little before midnight and starts to slow down around 1:15 am.

Anyway, before I leave BKK, I thought that I would try Mixx and Spasso's and perhaps Kuteda to draw a more apt comparison. However, at most of these BKK discos, I find that the FL's can be s pick picky themselves and are looking for younger guys. They only lower (or increase) their age standard as the hours get later.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884255] I also notice that it's busy there between a little before midnight and starts to slow down around 1:15 am.

[/QUOTE]Good to know. Maybe the best way to play it is to swing by BB for a look around midnight and then if you don't find anything head out to the other clubs.

This isi kind of the same way I treat Red Car in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884255]Yes. I generally agree with most of the observations made by other posters that BB has a lot of lower quality on offer especially when compared to a go-go or other more upscale discos. I just happen to do well because I am patient and can accept leaving empty handed some evenings. Also, I have developed a strategy when I am there in terms of identifying new prospects. For example, since I go regularly, I already know who the regulars are and generally try to give them wide berth though I did make an exception for a girl last week who rewarded me with a memorable 3 some. That being said, last Saturday there were no fewer than 4 women I have taken out over the last two years within ten meters of each other so perhaps it's good that I am leaving BKK at the end of May.
[/QUOTE]For a guy who collects regular girls, this is a bit perplexing. Are you saying that generally the regular girls are not worth doing and only the fresh girls are worth a try? Or is it that you just get bored by girls so quickly, and want to keep adding new "notches". I prefer to gamble less with new girls.

At venues I am well known, I am also known to be butterfly, but also to have a good heart and willing to keep seeing the best girls. Don't you get a worse reputation by always changing girls?

Yes, it is perplexing even at times for me. I am a butterfly, no doubt, and quick to admit that if the subject comes up with a girl.

What I am trying to say is that there is a definite regular contingent of girls in there every night. Most of these girls I have not tried, the few that I have are either average performers or in two cases stretching back over two years, terrible. However, one of the regular girls, who I always considered quite cute, enticed me into a thrilling threesome with her pal last week. So I learned it's not always a good idea to avoid all the regular girls out of concern of bad service as sometimes they can surprise you.

However, this girl had been somewhat reticent with me because a girl I had seen a few times in early January saw me in BB one night later in January talking and dancing with this girl and came over, grabbed the girl by the arm, gave her a rash of crap about me, told her to stay away, (I guess that I am so bad, she only wants me for herself), and finished off this debacle by striking me in the temple. It should be noted that The girl who hit me had previously told me she has an out of town Norwegian BF who bought her a condo and car, according to her, so to say I was surprised at her jealous behavior was an understatement. In short, lots of drama and competition in there.

This particular girl from the 3 some can't exactly accuse me of butterfly behavior either. Last Saturday, I went to BB kind of hoping for a repeat with her and / or her and the friend. I found her almost immediately sitting with a buddy of mine who has known her for a few years. When I mentioned to my friend the prior week what a good time I had with her, it must have triggered his sexual neurons to repeat with her as well, as I could tell the moment I walked in that this particular girl was a hopeless cause for that night. She left with him eventually. But as a friend in BKK once told me 'You never lose the girl, only your turn. '.

Yes, I am always looking for fresh girls and fresh experiences as there is nothing like the thrill of the first time with somebody. By its very nature, you can't repeat it. But let's face it, none of them are exactly sitting around waiting for me (or us) to show up. And there has been a few I have taken three times or so though that seems to be the max for me. More than that and they think you are their BF.

I do treat the girls well that I take out. Obviously, since I am in there all the time, I don't want to burn any bridges though sometimes it can't be helped as my story about the jealous girl demonstrates. As for the girls I don't take out, there is usually a pretty good reason. This is a problematic area. You know how it is -- if you smile at them they want you to buy them a drink and are upset if you decline or worse tell them you are not interested in taking them out, which makes them angry. But I think by now that I have enough good reports to sustain me. When I return next winter, I suspect there will be some turnover too so I can start anew.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1884277]For a guy who collects regular girls, this is a bit perplexing. Are you saying that generally the regular girls are not worth doing and only the fresh girls are worth a try? Or is it that you just get bored by girls so quickly, and want to keep adding new "notches". I prefer to gamble less with new girls.

At venues I am well known, I am also known to be butterfly, but also to have a good heart and willing to keep seeing the best girls. Don't you get a worse reputation by always changing girls?[/QUOTE]

If I could clarify a comment I made in the prior two reports: last Saturday, there were 4 girls in there who I had taken out before perhaps belying my comments about avoiding the regular girls. Of this amount, 2 had provided average or subpar experiences and were a one-off for me -- Regular attendees. The third girl, also a regular, was from my fun 3 some from the prior week, and the 4th was a freshie from a few weeks ago who prob only goes in there on a semi regular basis.

Overall, I think that I haven taken out 10 or so girls from BB this winter. Fortunately, they are not all in there every night. At least one is in Chiang Mai but still that number is large enough that's it a good thing I am leaving soon.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884297]If I could clarify a comment I made in the prior two reports: last Saturday, there were 4 girls in there who I had taken out before perhaps belying my comments about avoiding the regular girls. Of this amount, 2 had provided average or subpar experiences and were a one-off for me -- Regular attendees. The third girl, also a regular, was from my fun 3 some from the prior week, and the 4th was a freshie from a few weeks ago who prob only goes in there on a semi regular basis.

Overall, I think that I haven taken out 10 or so girls from BB this winter. Fortunately, they are not all in there every night. At least one is in Chiang Mai but still that number is large enough that's it a good thing I am leaving soon.[/QUOTE]Get out of dodge before the BB lynch mob gathers in front of your condo with torches and pitchforks!! 555.

Guys, will be on a long layover (10 hours) next week and think I should try one of the famous BJ bars. Don't want to get lost chasing bad establishments, so can you gentlemen refer me to a couple of good ones?

[QUOTE=CaptainAmerica;1884602]Guys, will be on a long layover (10 hours) next week and think I should try one of the famous BJ bars. Don't want to get lost chasing bad establishments, so can you gentlemen refer me to a couple of good ones?[/QUOTE]You do not specify the exact time of your 10 HR visit but I would go to Som's Haven which is really close to Terminal 21 mall. Always had good service there and all the girls generally look decent. Of course when you go to a BJ bar, you are not really going there to look for a girl with looks.

It's my routine to hit this place up for a pop. No drinks nothing. Just straight business.

After I get my first quickie out of the way, I head to other places with cuter girls who generally charge more and also sometimes only do one pop.

[QUOTE=CaptainAmerica;1884602]Guys, will be on a long layover (10 hours) next week and think I should try one of the famous BJ bars. Don't want to get lost chasing bad establishments, so can you gentlemen refer me to a couple of good ones?[/QUOTE]You can just go to Dr. BJ's its by far the easiest, cleanest and stuff around, especially for a new person one-time shot. You can google for some info on it. It's located on Sukhumvit 7/1 down what seems like a somewhat shady bar street with lots of ladies out front, but its fine, easy to go in, select a girl, they bring you up to a room, clean you up, do their thing, clean you up again, then you go down and pay. Depending on the girl it will be 800-1000 baht (most are 1000).

A cab will be 400-500 baht, public transport will be like 100.

From Suvarnabhumi Airport (BKK), take the airport rail link to the last stop, Phaya Thai, then transfer onto the BTS Skytrain and take that to Nana station. The street is right on the north side of Nana station.

Hey all,

Went to Nana a week or so ago, here's a quick summary. I was pretty beat so was only looking for takeout if I saw something I had to have, otherwise was just browsing, having some beers and good times.

Started at Rainbow 4 (the new location? By the far best of the night. 70+ girls, nearly all doable, mostly skinny attractive, a few with some bigger boobs are nice backsides, but mostly that skinny Thai look. If I was trying harder, I would have just stopped here, grabbed one of a dozen girls that were looking quite well and had a quick in and out night. A like this place, there is zero pressure, they let you just chill and if you want a girl just ask and they will bring her to you. The place was literally packed to the brim with people and girls.

Went to Angel Witch next. Usually I find some good stuff here, this time, nah, compared to Rainbow 4, the girls here all had a bit more heft to them, only about 15-20 ladies in the entire place, and only like 7 on stage. The outfits here are nice though. None of their special shows while I was there, but they aren't particularly interesting anyways, so whatever. Stayed for a beer and left.

Looked into DC-10 and another spot, and they were basically devoid of life expect some girls standing around.

Went into Spanky's which is quite lively, lots of girls in the audience getting all over people and a much more excited crowed and girls. That being said, quality was a little better than Angel Witch, and the couple better looking ones were already all over people in the audience. Still no comparison to most of the ladies at Rainbow 4.

The couple bars on the side near the stairs to Spanky's (Straps?) had some good looking ladies hanging out in the door way and outside, but pretty much no one in the actual bar, I didn't go in.

Mercury seemed to be going off, but I didn't make my way in there, maybe next time I'm in Bangkok in a week or so.

Went out from Nana after a handful of beers in different spots, pretty exhausted from the day already and called it a night to go bigger the next day.

Tl; Dr: Rainbow 4 was the best, everywhere else was meh, Mercury looked happening but didn't go in, Straps? Seemed to have some hotties hanging around.

You could try the BJ bar whose name must not be mentioned on this forum (Google Vladamir Nabakov) or the other BJ bar around the corner from there called Kasalong. Both are located in an alley off SOI 8 about 20 meters from a 7/11. There are a couple of cute girls at either location but I mean only a couple.

Another option is Lollipops off SOI 10. I have never visited and suspect quality is not too great.

Finally, there are a couple on SOI 7/1 on oposite side of SUK 8 and a bit to the east. One is called Dr. BJ's and have only walked by. The girls sit out in front in all of the bars.

[QUOTE=CaptainAmerica;1884602]Guys, will be on a long layover (10 hours) next week and think I should try one of the famous BJ bars. Don't want to get lost chasing bad establishments, so can you gentlemen refer me to a couple of good ones?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884741]You could try the BJ bar whose name must not be mentioned on this forum (Google Vladamir Nabakov) or the other BJ bar around the corner from there called Kasalong. Both are located in an alley off SOI 8 about 20 meters from a 7/11. There are a couple of cute girls at either location but I mean only a couple.

Another option is Lollipops off SOI 10. I have never visited and suspect quality is not too great.

Finally, there are a couple on SOI 7/1 on oposite side of SUK 8 and a bit to the east. One is called Dr. BJ's and have only walked by. The girls sit out in front in all of the bars.[/QUOTE]I believe there were BJ bars around Nana hotel around 2 years ago but the over under on the quality scale was 3. Mostly chicks I wouldn't want for free. I think there was another one in Soi Cowboy but the quality was terrible unless your a non-choosy desperate / lonely elderly man.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884741]You could try the BJ bar whose name must not be mentioned on this forum (Google Vladamir Nabakov) ...

Finally, there are a couple on SOI 7/1 on oposite side of SUK 8 and a bit to the east. One is called Dr. BJ's and have only walked by. The girls sit out in front in all of the bars.[/QUOTE]Having experienced both the place-that-shall-not-be-named and Dr. BJ's, the latter is bobbing head and shoulders above the former.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1884741 You could try the BJ bar whose name must not be mentioned on this forum.

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I decided at least for one night to change my MO and go to a different fishing hole. The venue selected was Mixx located in the basement of the Intercontinental Hotel on Suk near the Chitlom stop. Since I had been in Siam earlier for dinner I managed my time so I could still use the sky train and get over there before midnight as I had read there is no point in arriving earlier than midnight. This proved to be true as it really does not start to fill up before 1 am. It's 350 baht entry fee, which get you one drink.

First, there were many, many, girls here of all different types, sizes, and nationalities. There are actually two separate rooms as part of this disco club. One allows smoking and plays more traditional disco music and the other is non-smoking and has more contemporary dance music. The girls stroll freely between the two rooms, as did I observing the various talent on offer. Wednesday has the first 3 drinks free for the girls so it's aptly named Ladies Night, which I am sure contributed to the numerous talent on offer. I also saw several girls from obvious Bangkok service industry type jobs with no hope of being picked up as they were not dressed very well until it occurred to me that these girls came for the free drinks. I actually thought one was not too bad and may have been a good non pro choice because after a while the rest of the club appeared redolent of pro's.

Unlike Bangkok Beat, there were some really attractive girls in here. Top shelf! And also unlike Bangkok Beat, the girls were not as aggressive earlier in the evening. I would get some smiles and suggestive glances but no advances that I had to akwardly shun off. I figured (correctly, as it turned out) that inhibitions would lessen as more alcohol was consumed and by 2 am the girls were being much more forward. I had to dump one girl not to my liking at one time and then moved to the other room. Here, I spoke for the second time that evening to a very attractive girl of Taiwanese and Thailand descent. We had spoken earlier and I thought this girl for all her beauty, and she was gorgeous, is a total pro and I would be wise not to pursue anything further. Since she reengaged me in conversation, I decided to appear more interested than I really was to see what the top shelf talent was asking for in here. All in the line of duty, of course. I never did determine whether her opening price was for short or long term but she quoted me $200 USD and did not mention baht in our discussion but that's 7000 baht for those readers without a calculator. I immediately said that's too much and she immediately asked me for a counter offer. I gave her my traditional opening price from Bangkok Beat of 2000 baht, which she soundly turned down saying that she can't go for that with a turned up nose also stating she was leaving for home. I guess she can make more money at home?

A few minutes later, I saw her again idling nearby and wondered if she was coming over again but my area was crowded with other people so never got to find out. Included within a crowd of several girls was a girl I had spotted earlier with a short sleeve tight sweater and skirt of some sort reminescent of one of the cartoon characters from the Archie comic strip -- Veronica, I think. She did not have the typical flat chested Thai look but instead had great looking breasts and ample body with wider hips accompanied by a firm bottom that I immediately started fantasizing about seeing her naked. She had a gorgeous face and lighter hair though I am sure her hair was highlighted. She also had a naughty mouth on her too, always a good sign, I have discovered. Her friend was not nearly so interesting looking but was chattier and used more prosaic and fractured English. One thing led to the next and I found myself strolling out of there an hour later with the both of them trailing behind. I decided that if I was going to take two, as they proposed, it was going to be at a bargain basement price so I offered 2000 Baht each for two hours, two pops. The attractive large breasted girl told me later she agreed to this price to help out her friend who was clearly not in the competitive range of many other girls in there. In a way, I was in no mood to negotiate any further as the deal could have blown up as the one girl asked for a drink for the both of them. They had been drinking Heinekens so I agreed but ended up getting stuck with a tab for two glasses of wine instead. That was not a good sign of future behavior, which proved out in the end.

A couple of random notes:

*The week before I paid 2500 each for two girls at Bangkok Beat for what turned to be an awesome threesome. Funny that I was paying less here in a place that has reputed high priced girls. Though I had more fun with these girls than tonight.

*I saw and nodded at the only girl I picked up this winter at Bangkok Beat who was a bad provider. Indeed, she was the only girl in two winters in BKK who asked to be paid upfront, which I declined a the time, and the predictable service when this happens proved to be lousy. She had a forlorn look on her face and suspect her bad service might be catching up with her. When she saw me, she realized I would not be a repeat customer and quickly moved on. Touché!

Fellow mongers take note: Never, and I mean NEVER, pay upfront.

*I could not help but notice a lot of girls hanging nearby, vulture like, as I negotiated the price with these girls all giving me stealthy and plaintive glances in case the deal blew up.

*Before I met these girls, I had a conversation in Spanish with a girl from Medellin. She had several companions with her and most were not, to put it kindly, the creme de la Creme of the Medellin scene. My policy is only go with Colombians when in Columbia. As out of country Colombianas take the word mercenary to a new level. Never bothered to inquire as to price.

*There were also a lot of Russian and / or CIS girls here. Most were quite large and quite unattractive.

*When the deal was finally struck (4:30am), the girls asked me to leave beforehand and they would meet me outside the entryway of the club. I guess management does not want this club to appear as a place guys pick up girls? Kind of weird.

*Avoid the standing taxis outside the club and walk to the Main Street to flag down a moving taxi.

So back to the game:

Onward to my apartment was, as usual in these cases, where I have to herd all these pussycats into the same room, as in my bedroom. After the less attractive girl took her clothes off and I showered with her, I decided that I was not that interested and would use her as a body prop when I fucked the girl with the great breasts. Basically, had a very good time banging my main girl when after some vigorous interplay she suggested that a pearl necklace (my words, not hers) would be a nice finish so as I came close to coming, I pulled out, and slid 'Him' as she called it alternating between her firm breasts and luscious mouth and lips and the other girl stroked 'Him' to satisfaction on my main girls ample breasts amd mouth. The 2nd girl also liked periodically sliding her fingers between my ass cheeks while stroking my member in the other girls mouth and so she was somewhat earning her pay.

For the second go around, I stayed with the same girl as the prior time and even let the other girl slip out of the room -- She was really not that great and it's a good thing I only offered 2000. But this time, my main girl really got into it, especially with dirty talk -- something about fucking me with her fingers etc. -- and I ended partially shooting in her mouth, her breasts, and on her hair in between some great breast slides. It was actually better the second time with the other girl in tap different room. My main girl really knew how to use her tits to great advantage. Slip Sliding between ample breasts does not happen to me in Thailand very often.

If there was any criticism, there was no kissing which she had promised in the club. Where have I heard that before?

Ok, so we all wrap things up and I pay the girls the agreed price and the chatty one starts on about tipping and taxi fare. I had no interest in tipping. For one thing, I never fucked the one girl and as good a time as I had with the main girl, I want to decide to tip, not be pressured into it. Plus the recently enacted no kissing policy in my apartment irritated me. Also, no Bangkok Beat girl, for what it is worth, has ever brought up tipping so I am not used to tipping. But the other thing was the main girl did not want to share her Line number with me so perhaps the chemistry was not as good as I thought or she was just being a Biatch. However, I finally determined my main girl appeared upset that she went with me for only 2000 baht and was trying to up her fee to even things out (for her). The other girl also kept saying that actually my main girl needed more money for her English lessons, like that's my problem. I gave them a 100 baht for taxi fare in the end. All in all, this threesome could have been a lot worse as I had a feeling that the less attractive girl job was to make me come faster, which I avoided and resisted, pulling her hands away from critical sensitive areas at times when necessary. As time went on, my main girl got into the sex quite a bit, but staying power* is important in these circumstances when this occurs. The better you fuck them, the more their pro like behavior lessens. *With a special thanks to my little blue friend.

They did ask me what are my favorite clubs and I said, of course, Bangkok Beat, which they had never heard of so gave them directions and said to look for me on Saturday.

First off, I've only been there once. So I am no expert.

1. I don't think mgmt has any problems with girls heading out with guys. Together. When they exit the main area. I saw several cut their deals and leave with either American or European guys. And one very hot slinky super pro (who does the cross leg runway catwalk walk) returned after 1. 5 hours. So I think she prefers to take more than 1 sucker each night! LOL.

2. The smoking section / side is somewhat larger, has more TV's has a more stylistic contemporary decor and plays mostly EDM not disco music. I believe the smoking part and the EDM part attract the most of the Russians and the CIS girls to that other separate area of the Mixx club, and thankfully the smokers (eg Korean and Japanese) too. I went over there to the smoking EDM side 3-4 times during the 5 plus hours I spent at MIXX a few nights ago.

3. Yeah, I agree the really hot girls were a bit older, dressed super great, probably former models and are what I would call super pros. I don't believe any of them would be very interested in LT.

4. I think you did not do too bad at all. But for the other girl ( ugly ? ) tagging along. Perhaps the cuter girl prefers to stay under the radar for reasons of her own. Eg local BF. Anyways, you did better than I did. So kudos!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1885042]I decided at least for one night to change my MO and go to a different fishing hole. [/QUOTE]Great report Tomasb! This is a great description of the place and I think you have it pretty much figured out. Good info about ladies night on Wednesday too.

You are right that girls are a bit more pro there. But I have found good GFE types there too. You just need to dig diligently. Ladies night sounds like a good time for that as there may be more regular girls there. And you need to bargain hard as the girls there quote very high prices (but most will come down).

All in all I think you did pretty well for the price. Titty fucking Veronika from the Archie Comics sounds like a great night to me. If only your 13 year old self could know!. 555.

Thanks Uncle V. It's guys like you I like to write the reports for as you have a true appreciation of the nightly hijinks in BKK. Also, good point because when I was 13 yo, Veronica was a wet dream only. To finally bed a Veronica, and in Thailand no less, was quite the surprise.

Yes, I think there may be a few savvy non pros in Mixx just for some free drinks and maybe meet a guy but it takes a discerning and quick eye to find that special non pro. 3 free drinks is a great deal for the gals. I think the non pro girl I noticed who was simply dressed would have been shocked if I approached her and prob could have gotten her home for much less than the standard price there.

By the way, tonight is free flow champagne night at Kuteda for the ladies, said to be the supreme night club at the moment in BKK. It's near the W Hotel so a bit far for me but may go since I am leaving BKK soon. I am sure that I will see many of the same gals on the free drink circuit as I saw at Mixx.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1885063]Great report Tomasb! This is a great description of the place and I think you have it pretty much figured out. Good info about ladies night on Wednesday too.

You are right that girls are a bit more pro there. But I have found good GFE types there too. You just need to dig diligently. Ladies night sounds like a good time for that as there may be more regular girls there. And you need to bargain hard as the girls there quote very high prices (but most will come down).

All in all I think you did pretty well for the price. Titty fucking Veronika from the Archie Comics sounds like a great night to me. If only your 13 year old self could know!. 555.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blaster22;1884689]Went to Nana a week or so ago, here's a quick summary. [/QUOTE]Thanks Blaster, for the quick review. Perfect level of detail and clarity. This helps me plan my upcoming visit.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1885042]I decided at least for one night to change my MO and go to a different fishing hole. The venue selected was Mixx located in the basement of the Intercontinental Hotel on Suk near the Chitlom stop. [/QUOTE]Brilliant report Tomasb, thanks for the info. I've never been to Mixx before, and the idea of going there kind of intimidates me, to be honest. Not sure why, maybe it's the swankiness of the Intercon, or the location (closer to the prim and proper Chit Lom than nasty Nana). Whatever the reason, I'll overcome this and give it a try soon.

One thing I really dislike about places like Levels, or Q-bar, or a couple of the other places high up on soi 11 is the large number of caucasian males and females. If I see a bunch of blonde in a club, I know it ain't for me. My brown skin competes poorly, and prices tend to be higher in such places. How does Mixx compare to places like Levels in that respect? Does it seem like a more international clientele, or are Thai girls in the majority?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1885076]Brilliant report Tomasb, thanks for the info. I've never been to Mixx before, and the idea of going there kind of intimidates me, to be honest. Not sure why, maybe it's the swankiness of the Intercon, or the location (closer to the prim and proper Chit Lom than nasty Nana). Whatever the reason, I'll overcome this and give it a try soon.

One thing I really dislike about places like Levels, or Q-bar, or a couple of the other places high up on soi 11 is the large number of caucasian males and females. If I see a bunch of blonde in a club, I know it ain't for me. My brown skin competes poorly, and prices tend to be higher in such places. How does Mixx compare to places like Levels in that respect? Does it seem like a more international clientele, or are Thai girls in the majority?[/QUOTE]

TomasB and Uncle V, please chime in! Kumbu, I am neither white nor black. And, I'm not Thai. I am a mix. Haha. So, I would say no need to worry. You will feel A-OK at Mixx. I'd say about 50 PC Thai. Many of the girls are actually a mix of Thai and something else. But, I believe prices are high, if you end up dealing with those I call super pros. Don't go for the Russians or the CIS girls, I'd say, Stick to the Thai and Thai mix looking girls and strike a deal before 3 am (vs me who's waited until 430 am, and MIXX closes at 5 am ). I made that mistake because I just love to be in my own zone, roam around, observe watch, and and dance alone or with the crowd, rather be bothered with 'a' girl, until the club's closing time...yeah silly me. I do it every frickin time....lol. But then, I'm not always wanting to hook up with a different girl every single night, particularly for 3-4 weeks in a row.

Waiting has worked for me in Brazil, Peru, DR, and in Pattaya but not in BKK. Demand is greater than supply (of young semi pro, occasional pro girls and they get taken ) in BKK. I will correct this error in early Feb on the tail end of my next trip.

However, I have decided that Pattaya works better for me due to more semi and non pros, and so I will be back to Patts right after the new year (because, unfortunately, my travel plans are planned out and committed through summer, fall, with Thanksgiving, Chtistmas and New Year family commitments ) .

But it will be for a month. And if Pattaya gets old after 3 weeks, then I will probably go to Phukat for 10 days at the tail end. If not, I will spend the entire month in Pattaya. Particularly, if Uncle V returns around then...lol

[QUOTE=Haven123;1885083]TomasB and Uncle V, please chime in! Kumbu, I am kinda light brown skin like you, I think. So, I would say no need to worry. You will feel A-OK at Mixx. I'd say about 50 PC Thai. But, I believe prices are high if you end up dealing with those I call super pros. Don't go for the Russians or the CIS girls, I'd say. Stick to the Thai girls and strike a deal before 3 am (vs me who's waited until 430 am, and MIXX closes at 5 am ). [/QUOTE]Thanks Haven, this is very reassuring. I certainly won't be dancing until dawn, that's for sure. I'd prefer to bed a lady and be nicely tucked away by 2 am if possible, in time to get 5 hours shut eye before I have to wake up for work. But given your positive appraisal of Mixx, I have been convinced to pay it a visit.

And I'll be looking for your next set of fine reports when you return in the new year.

I would not describe Mixx as overly swanky and, in fact, you can gain entry by walking in from Suk and avoiding the IC lobby all together, which you enter from the side of the building. For the initial Mixx entry point, you then proceed down a hallway and take the escalator down another level. The club itself is a bit dated and could use some renovation. It even has a disco ball. How dated is that? The security guys in and out appear very professional and polite. Yes, and the numbers start dwindling by 4am. I would have it in your mind how much you are prepared to pay and the duration because my limited experience suggests they are asking for a lot more than other BKK venues. But remember it's basically the same girls who last year might have been in Hilary's or some other down market club.

As far as the makeup of the girls, I would say at least 50%, if not more last night, are Thai. There are not many blonds, just the skanky CIS girls and very few farang women tourists that I could see.

Hi Kumbu!

A lot of punters form the Subcontinent like this place, including the legendary Alex of this board and it has a reputation of being a more welcoming to darker complexioned folks. So I think you are OK.

Mixx is also much more pro oriented and I can't remember seeing regular farangs there partying. The Caucasian girls you will see there are all CIS or Latin America FLs. In that respect I'd say its more like Spasso (I have never been but I have heard a lot about that scene) than Levels.

Haven is right about there being a lot of mixed Thai / other nationality girls there. I think this is the most interesting thing about Mixx (no pun intended).

As for being home in bed with your girl by 2 AM, I am not so sure. Its definitely possible but you will have to act quick. And you may nto get the pick of the litter that way. Like all discos this place only really gets started by 1 AM. Thermae may be a better bet if you want an early night. I hear that the scene there has improved a bit, though still nothing like it was a few years ago.

Haven, I see you have gotten the Pattaya / LOS bug. 555. I hope we can meet up again after New Year the Winter.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1885073]Thanks Uncle V. It's guys like you I like to write the reports for as you have a true appreciation of the nightly hijinks in BKK.

By the way, tonight is free flow champagne night at Kuteda for the ladies, said to be the supreme night club at the moment in BKK. It's near the W Hotel so a bit far for me but may go since I am leaving BKK soon. I am sure that I will see many of the same gals on the free drink circuit as I saw at Mixx.[/QUOTE]Please, please go!! 555. Reading your report will make my week! What I wouldn't give to be on the ground to go with you!

But seriously, it would be good to get some solid intel on this place an even from a trusted and reliable source such as yourself.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1885095]Mixx is also much more pro oriented and I can't remember seeing regular farangs there partying. The Caucasian girls you will see there are all CIS or Latin America FLs. In that respect I'd say its more like Spasso (I have never been but I have heard a lot about that scene) than Levels.

Haven is right about there being a lot of mixed Thai / other nationality girls there. I think this is the most interesting thing about Mixx (no pun intended).

As for being home in bed with your girl by 2 AM, I am not so sure. Its definitely possible but you will have to act quick. And you may nto get the pick of the litter that way. Like all discos this place only really gets started by 1 AM. Thermae may be a better bet if you want an early night. I hear that the scene there has improved a bit, though still nothing like it was a few years ago.
[/QUOTE]Thanks Uncle V, that's useful info. Thermae, I know, and will visit, but Mixx is something new, which I do want to try.

I PMed you, by the way, a day or so ago, just FYI.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1885095]Hi Kumbu!


Haven, I see you have gotten the Pattaya / LOS bug. 555. I hope we can meet up again after New Year the Winter.[/QUOTE]Yeah, maybe so Uncle V.

Actually, I came to LOS this time after the Zika Virus stuff hit Brazil, and concerns about its spread in Colombia, Central America and the Caribbean later this year (by the CDC). I've been following this stuff very closely as I also invest in the pharma sector and love to get into the science of viruses and their mutation (but that's another story about 'life' broadly defined I. E, biological life).

Actually, there has been 1 case. At least. Even in frickin Maui, Hi, where I will be in July. And, I had promised many chicas to be back in the DR because it's low season then in Oct and I get great deals in the all inclusive resorts, where I often take different chicas for a few nights. And rotate around.

But due to Zika, instead of going somewhere in Latin America, as I probably would have, in January, I plan to leave for LOS on Jan 3rd for 4-5 weeks. I think this past LOS trip, for me, can be partly, or even largely, chalked down to getting some experience in Pattaya. I hope to use and build on that during the next trip. So, if you happen to be back around then, I think we can jointly take over from Mr ENT who now seems to only want to bowl at 3 pm and go to ' asleep' by 8 pm. LOL. Somebody has to help the Pattaya girls, right?

[QUOTE=Haven123;1885108]Yeah, maybe so Uncle V.

Actually, I came to LOS this time after the Zika Virus stuff hit Brazil, and concerns about its spread in Colombia, Central America and the Caribbean later this year (by the CDC). I've been following this stuff very closely as I also invest in the pharma sector and love to get into the science of viruses and their mutation (but that's another story about 'life' broadly defined I. E, biological life).

Actually, there has been 1 case. At least. Even in frickin Maui, Hi, where I will be in July. And, I had promised many chicas to be back in the DR because it's low season then in Oct and I get great deals in the all inclusive resorts, where I often take different chicas for a few nights. And rotate around.

But due to Zika, instead of going somewhere in Latin America, as I probably would have, in January, I plan to leave for LOS on Jan 3rd for 4-5 weeks. I think this past LOS trip, for me, can be partly, or even largely, chalked down to getting some experience in Pattaya. I hope to use and build on that during the next trip. So, if you happen to be back around then, I think we can jointly take over from Mr ENT who now seems to only want to bowl at 3 pm and go to ' asleep' by 8 pm. LOL. Somebody has to help the Pattaya girls, right?[/QUOTE]I have always found that the best places for P4 P are the places people are frightened of for one reason or another. Cambodia in the late 90's springs to mind. Also places that are experiencing strife. I would imagine Venezuela would be quite good at the moment considering their current economic meltdown. If there is a Zika scare all over Latin America, then that would be the time for me to head there. But alas, it is a bit too far from LOS.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1885134]I have always found that the best places for P4 P are the places people are frightened of for one reason or another. Cambodia in the late 90's springs to mind. Also places that are experiencing strife. I would imagine Venezuela would be quite good at the moment considering their current economic meltdown. If there is a Zika scare all over Latin America, then that would be the time for me to head there. But alas, it is a bit too far from LOS.[/QUOTE]Venezuela sounds intriguing and has some of the prettiest girls in LA, from what I hear.

But it is super dangerous right now. Caracas is the murder capital of the world these days.

Maybe worth doing some research before jumping on a plane.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1885141]Venezuela sounds intriguing and has some of the prettiest girls in LA, from what I hear.

But it is super dangerous right now. Caracas is the murder capital of the world these days.

Maybe worth doing some research before jumping on a plane.[/QUOTE]Yep, a pretty dangerous place, as I am sure Colombia was in the late 90's and early 00's. But I bet the dudes that braved it were rewarded with some excellent P4 P with great looking gals at very low prices. Plus you get the excitement of being in an edgy place, which in my mind adds to the entire experience.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1885108]Yeah, maybe so Uncle V.

Actually, I came to LOS this time after the Zika Virus stuff hit Brazil, and concerns about its spread in Colombia, Central America and the Caribbean later this year (by the CDC). I've been following this stuff very closely as I also invest in the pharma sector and love to get into the science of viruses and their mutation (but that's another story about 'life' broadly defined I. E, biological life).
[/QUOTE]I don't get it. Why be concerned so much about Zika? You might get struck by lightning in Thailand, or eaten by crododile, hit by truck, or get HIV. I have never been too concerned about SARS, Bird Flue, and many other health scares, because the actual risks are not that significant (relatively speaking).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1885176]I don't get it. Why be concerned so much about Zika? You might get struck by lightning in Thailand, or eaten by crododile, hit by truck, or get HIV. I have never been too concerned about SARS, Bird Flue, and many other health scares, because the actual risks are not that significant (relatively speaking).[/QUOTE]Yeah, OK. I was not that concerned about SARS or Bird Flu either. And, I am NOT a scientist but love getting into the details of science shit.

This specific mutation in a specific type of mosquito has many super virus scientists stumped. First, it has figured out a way to penetrate the blood- brain barrier, and even in the womb of a pregnant woman it has even managed to get into the umbilical cord and the placenta (CDC have discovered this through specific testing) from there into the brain of the fetus. Not always resulting ONLY in the extremely smaller brain of the baby problem BUT also microencephaly (more so in Colombia).

And, in men, much to everyone's surprise once the virus has cleared the rest of the body in about 2-3 weeks max, they are finding cases in men where it has been able to cleverly hide in testicles for months, where ones immune system is usually not that effective. And, it is also spread sometimes through sex. Another unusual thing...plus via the saliva (but not fully understood). Even more unusual.

So, it's one of the most clever mutations and is spread by version of the Aegyptes mosquito. Its the incredible cleverness that has me concerned. So, easier to spread and difficult to kill all such mosquitoes. In summary, it has many unique mutational characteristics that has scientists stumped. It will be another 2 years before a very effective vaccine can be found and made generally available. For me, it's the breaching the blood- brain barrier and the testicles thing that has me worried because this one is sooo clever. And, there is much we still don't know about these 2 things. However, statistically it still is a long shot, I agree.

Staying indoors in an AC area (many P4 P places in Colombia, Peru and Brazil don't have AC). Around dusk and during and after rains and avoiding areas with standing water should further mitigate risk very substantially. So, just go in an AC taxi from AC hotel to a dance club, return same way with a chica and stay in an AC room and one can mitigate stats further. Most girls though in the DR, Peru, Brazil (Rio in particular) don't live in apartments with AC and also live in areas with standing water.

I had been told by a FL that Thursday night was ladies night at KuDeta but when I looked up the name on the web to confirm this information, a web report noted that Ladies night is actually Wednesday (free sparkling wine for the ladies) and that name of the club has been changed to Cest La Vi. So I passed on going last night but may try this weekend. Also, this club is only open Wed. - Sunday.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1885306]Yeah, OK. I was not that concerned about SARS or Bird Flu either. And, I am NOT a scientist but love getting into the details of science shit.

This specific mutation in a specific type of mosquito has many super virus scientists stumped. First, it has figured out a way to penetrate the blood- brain barrier, and even in the womb of a pregnant woman it has even managed to get into the umbilical cord and the placenta (CDC have discovered this through specific testing) from there into the brain of the fetus. Not always resulting ONLY in the extremely smaller brain of the baby problem BUT also microencephaly (more so in Colombia).

And, in men, much to everyone's surprise once the virus has cleared the rest of the body in about 2-3 weeks max, they are finding cases in men where it has been able to cleverly hide in testicles for months, where ones immune system is usually not that effective. And, it is also spread sometimes through sex. Another unusual thing...plus via the saliva (but not fully understood). Even more unusual.

So, it's one of the most clever mutations and is spread by version of the Aegyptes mosquito. Its the incredible cleverness that has me concerned. So, easier to spread and difficult to kill all such mosquitoes. In summary, it has many unique mutational characteristics that has scientists stumped. It will be another 2 years before a very effective vaccine can be found and made generally available. For me, it's the breaching the blood- brain barrier and the testicles thing that has me worried because this one is sooo clever. And, there is much we still don't know about these 2 things. However, statistically it still is a long shot, I agree.

Staying indoors in an AC area (many P4 P places in Colombia, Peru and Brazil don't have AC). Around dusk and during and after rains and avoiding areas with standing water should further mitigate risk very substantially. So, just go in an AC taxi from AC hotel to a dance club, return same way with a chica and stay in an AC room and one can mitigate stats further. Most girls though in the DR, Peru, Brazil (Rio in particular) don't live in apartments with AC and also live in areas with standing water.[/QUOTE]Dengue is a far greater threat to one's health and it is ever present in the tropics. I guess if one is planning on having kids or is married then Zika would be a concern. To me it's simply meh.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1885548]Dengue is a far greater threat to one's health and it is ever present in the tropics. I guess if one is planning on having kids or is married then Zika would be a concern. To me it's simply meh.[/QUOTE]Dengue as you know is spread by the same mosquito and dengue cases in 2016 in Brazil have risen markedly.

This is one of the reasons over 100 scientists and doctors wrote to the WHO, just yesterday, asking that the Rio Olympics either be postponed, or relocated, from Rio de Janeiro. You can google it, if you want.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1885809]Dengue as you know is spread by the same mosquito and dengue cases in 2016 in Brazil have risen markedly.

This is one of the reasons over 100 scientists and doctors wrote to the WHO, just yesterday, asking that the Rio Olympics either be postponed, or relocated, from Rio de Janeiro. You can google it, if you want.[/QUOTE]Yes, I know it is the same mosquito, but dengue is a much more severe illness and the hemorrhagic form can kill you. To date, no one has died from Zika. If you are not having kids, it is really not a worry.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1885929]Yes, I know it is the same mosquito, but dengue is a much more severe illness and the hemorrhagic form can kill you. To date, no one has died from Zika. If you are not having kids, it is really not a worry.[/QUOTE]I don't think the evidence is sufficiently in to conclude the damage is restricted to those having children. It seems although the virus clears most of the body rather quickly, it remains in men's testicles for a fairly long period of time. At least that is what CNN reported a few months ago. [URL]http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/16/health/men-zika-virus-sexual-transmission[/URL], and the CDC reaches a similar conclusion (see one of the links below).

Moreover, there is at least some evidence it can occasionally lead to Guillain Barre Syndrome, which can be a very serious disease. Given it remains in the testicles for some time, and we know the devastating effect it can have on fetuses, I would need to see over time whether other diseases develop from the infection in men before I would confidently state we shouldn't be worried about this disease. [URL]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php[/URL] [URL]http://news.health.com/2016/03/28/cdc-sets-new-guidelines-on-sex-after-zika-exposure/.[/URL] Moreover, if there is a chance one of your sex partners may get pregnant, whether by you or someone else, that the disease can be transmitted male to female during sex is another potentially big problem.

Just another thing to make life more complicated.

I have been absent from BBeat for the last few nights busy with either checking out Mixx Club or resting between escapades.

I stopped in to BB around 11 pm and initially observed the usual crew of FL's and waited for patiently for some new girls to come in. Eventfully, I was rewarded when I spotted two girls dancing wildly with each other. One wore a tight white t-shirt and had an absolutely great rack and ass and appeared to be older than the other who had more of the traditional Thai figure of small tits and flat ass though both were disguised by a loose flowing dress. They were doing the dirty dancing thing with each other that I have observed several times here and other clubs though not sure if that is an attempt to entice guys or they are genuinely doing this provocative behavoir for their own amusement.

What I noticed most were they both were steadfastly ignoring me despite the fact I had sat down at a standing table right in front of them. I figured the girl in white would not last long so wanted to be well positioned if the opportunity presented itself. For several minutes while I observed, I thought they could even be lesbians. Finally, after 15 minutes she noticed me and both started a chat along with her girl friend. Five minutes later, they invited me to join them at Levels Club on Soi 11 so we hopped in a cab. However, on the way over I remembered that I was wearing open sandals, which is a no-no at Levels. The girls quickly changed the venue to Climax. I hate that club, even though I have only been once but did not want to appear to be a twink so relented. They asked that I pay their entry fee, which includes a free drink and I agreed.

After we arrived, my new girl was already hanging all over me and there was little doubt where we would end up at the end of the evening. However, she first brought me over to a table near the bathrooms where she introduced me to several girl friends all clearly working girls but all considerably younger. Then she first attempted to ask me if I wanted any of her younger friends because she said I am older and my friends are really hot and I want you to be happy. WTF? She spoke very good English and on one occasion pointed out the other girl we came with and said I could take her home instead for 3000 bt for the nignt and she would be cool with it. However, I really wanted to see this girl naked and kept telling her that I only wanted her. Her body was that amazing.

Here is where it got interesting, as all of a sudden I felt that I was readily accepted within this covy of girls -- a co-conspirator as it were. Her friends were all laughing quite a bit when we arrived because some moron had paid (earlier in the evening) one of the girls 4000 bt for short term and they were quite amused that the girl got her ask price without negotiation. My girl was translating into English what occurred. As it turned out, I found out a bit later that this girl and another girl had both received 4000 for an under one hour threesome. The first girl, in fact, was quite upset with the other girl because she was providing really bad service during the threesome and was being difficult to the point the guy almost changed his mind about carrying on, but ended up giving both girls the money after some argument. She was upset with the other girl for providing bad service, though in the end he paid 8000 bt total for under one hour of apparently quite bad service. Also, I have to add that there were tons of attractive and young FL's in there. It would have been pathetically easy to find a nice one for I would think 2000 short term or 3000 long term, or even less if you tap the right right one, so not sure what planet this guy was on.

I really liked the maturity of my girl as she declined another drink and said to me, 'I am ready when your ready. ' So I quickly quaffed my beer and we returned to my apartment. I will spare you the sexy details but in the words of Teri Hatcher, the actress in that famous Seinfeld episode, who said to Jerry after he blew his chance with her, that 'they are real and they are spectacular'. They certainly were and the best rack I have seen all winter.

She stayed to noon today and I had multiple pops and a very passionate night. This girl must have been the oldest girl of my Bangkok stay as she is 40 yo but for a 67 yo guy (still young enough to be my daughter 555), it was nice change of pace to be with someone who was mature, spoke good English, and was an accomplished lover.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1886015]I stopped in to BB around 11 pm . . .[/QUOTE]Nice report Tomasb, thanks.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1886015]The girls quickly changed the venue to Climax. I hate that club, even though I have only been once but did not want to appear to be a twink [/QUOTE]You've mentioned this a couple of times, and I wonder why exactly you hate Climax. It's been a few years since I was there last, but when I did go, I usually had a great time. I find the wait staff too pushy, there is too much smoke, and the band is loud and very middling, but I always find someone to my liking. Have you changed your mind at all about Climax since this event?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1886015]This girl must have been the oldest girl of my Bangkok stay as he is 40 yo but for a 67 yo guy, it was nice change of pace to be with someone who was mature, spoke good English, and was an accomplished lover.[/QUOTE]Very much agree with this sentiment. It's fabulous to sample from the youth tray, but sometimes, you want someone with the sense that comes only with a few extra years. Those years usually come with 10 extra pounds and a few extra crow's feet, but if you can handle that, it's worth it once in a while.

It looks like you are going out with a bang! No pun intended.

Good to hear some positive info on Climax. I have only been there once, and though I scored a very nice lookign girl (by day she works as a Massage girl at Lord's) it was difficult to find a girl I liked. Your report makes me think I need to give it another try.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

Last Tuesday I came to BK for the first of three evenings in the land of smiles. I had made arrangements with Breadman's recommended friend, whose name is Jay to meet me and help me with any needed translations, etc. I have used a similar tact in China and Columbia in the past with good results. Let me say that Jay is a good guy and was worth the money I gave him. My personal choices of venues did hamper his efforts, but that was my call not his. I am not much into gogo's as I rarely find a girl that I really want to take out. I tend to like FL's more and the whole gogo scene just doesn't do it for me. As a rule. I had a beer at The Den while waiting for Jay to make his way into town and for a first visit was pretty pleased. If not for it being my first stop on the first night there were a couple of gals that would have gotten an offer.

After dinner, I explained that I really wasn't going to be out late, due to early commitments the next morning. And yes this is a recurring theme. My research here indicated that places like Spasso's got started a little early, so we went there about 9:30 pm. They were still serving dinner and even though the sign said the band started at 9:00 there was only one lady there. We decided to head to Climax to see what we could find. Well Climax has a deal for a half price bottle before 11:00 pm, but the catch is you cannot save it for another day. I decided to pay regular price (they don't accept credit cards FYI) so that I could have the save option. Also you get four mixers, but not including cranberry juice, only allowed one cranberrry juice included in the price. We walked in and I am not kidding. There was not a single lady in the place that was not staff. I almost laughed out loud. Almost.

We had one round of drinks, and decided to head back to Spasso's. When we walked in there were more than a few of very pretty and sexy girls, all dressed up, nails, hair. The whole thing. To my surprise there were also a few rather rotund ladies, that I have to give credit for even trying. To my eye they stood an equal chance to getting a client as a snowball in Hades, but what do I know.

I read the forum about this place and was prepared for a bit of sticker shock. Spasso's is in the Hyatt and much like Brix in Singapore runs on the expensive side. I didn't know how expensive, but I was about to find out. Ordered two house brand vodka cocktails, and got the bill. It was the most I have ever paid for a non-call brand cocktail. Anywhere. I paid more that 1400 baht. There were three different taxes or charges that added about 400 baht to the bill, including an "E-tax", which I found out is an entertainment tax to pay for the live band.

After restarting my heart, chatted up a couple of lookers, and Jay got us started with a few really pretty girls. Found one gal back in the corner with a bit of a "school teacher" look, glasses, nice dress, red heels. And best of all a nice smile. I thought she had a really cute figure and gave me the "I'll go the extra mile to make you happy vibe". Chatted for a few minutes and asked her if she did short time. She replied yes, and my fee is 6000 baht. I was amazed, I thought she had misunderstood I only wanted short time. I didn't misunderstand at all, she meant 6 K for short time.

I countered with 2 K which I knew was not going to happen, but would have been curious if she would have agreed to 2500, but her "best price because I like you" price was 5 K. I smiled and walked away. I did talk to a couple of extraordinarily pretty girls, but quickly realised that the price of fun in Spasso's exceeded my interest.

Taxied back to Climax, reopened the bottle and now this place was also rocking. Obviously the talent level was much lower, but found a few interesting options. Jay was quick to "bird dog" a couple of gals I was interested in meeting and finally I settled on a nicely formed lass of about 30 and she was happy to accompany me for the tidy sum of 1500 baht for short time. The service was good, but she really meant short time. Ha ha. Any effort to extend the session was met with resistance and finally I relinquished. A few fun positions, enough BJ to set the mood, a nice doggie finish and she was heading back to the club I'm sure less than 30 minutes after crossing my doorstep. No tip was given and when I was asked why, I told her that 30 minutes didn't deserve a tip. She kissed me on the cheek, smiled that "I had to ask" smile and off she went.

Education can be expensive, and in someways this night was, but I wanted to see what the "high end" market was like. I admit that some of the Spasso's ladies were spectacular and I would have enjoyed a romp with them. I suspect the ones that don't get picked wind up at another club later, but I didn't have the time.

I was happy with the way the evening turned out, even if not all that happy with the route to get there. How can you complain about having a lot of pretty ladies all wanting your attentions. Even if it is for a fee!

To be continued.

I have to admit that the other time I went by myself so it takes a bit more time to become accustomed to the place if you don't have anyone to talk to. This time, I arrived with two girls in tow, who in turn introduced me to several of their gal pals all clearly on the make and available if I wanted to blow off the girl who invited me along. It's a lot more fun that way surrounded by women duh. Naturally, when I am talking to a whole group of gals, it also attracts other girls nearby who were eyeing me perhaps thinking I am Mr. Two Week Millionaire.

That being said, the place is a desperate fire trap waiting for the wrong combination of events. As far I know, there in only exit and entry door that leads (in a desperate escape) to an underground garage. Since smoking is allowed, it only exacerbates the dangers of being there. Throw in the noise and some people who don't have club manners and it can be a daunting place.

It's noteworthy to mention that I saw several girls I had seen earlier at BBeat in Climax including one who had left with a customer earlier from BBeat.

My gal may have had some crow feet, not noticed in the dark confines of Climax or BBeat until this morning, but her body and pussy was as nice and tight (and shaved) as any 25 yo I have been with on this trip. This morning she said she did not usually eat breakfast in order to keep her weight down. My friend also has a real job involved in the liquor wholesale business so this FL work must supplement her income. She pays 10,000 baht for a studio somewhere in the vicinity of Thong Lor.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1886019]Nice report Tomasb, thanks.

You've mentioned this a couple of times, and I wonder why exactly you hate Climax. It's been a few years since I was there last, but when I did go, I usually had a great time. I find the wait staff too pushy, there is too much smoke, and the band is loud and very middling, but I always find someone to my liking. Have you changed your mind at all about Climax since this event?

Very much agree with this sentiment. It's fabulous to sample from the youth tray, but sometimes, you want someone with the sense that comes only with a few extra years. Those years usually come with 10 extra pounds and a few extra crow's feet, but if you can handle that, it's worth it once in a while.[/QUOTE]

Nice informative report. I have never been to Spassos for the reasons you mentioned and I suspected. Overpriced drinks, and overpriced FL's on the make for business travelers staying at the Hyatt or nearby with expense accounts and money burning a hole in their pocket.

When I was in Mixx a few nights ago, a similar situation happened to me. I was quoted $200USD and I also countered with 2000 baht and got the same reaction -- a slight look of disgust and abject despair.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1886040]Last Tuesday I came to BK for the first of three evenings in the land of smiles. I had made arrangements with Breadman's recommended friend, whose name is Jay to meet me and help me with any needed translations, etc. I have used a similar tact in China and Columbia in the past with good results. Let me say that Jay is a good guy and was worth the money I gave him. My personal choices of venues did hamper his efforts, but that was my call not his. I am not much into gogo's as I rarely find a girl that I really want to take out. I tend to like FL's more and the whole gogo scene just doesn't do it for me. As a rule. I had a beer at The Den while waiting for Jay to make his way into town and for a first visit was pretty pleased. If not for it being my first stop on the first night there were a couple of gals that would have gotten an offer.

To be continued.[/QUOTE]Hey Sky Ryder,

Be normal act normal if you are opening a bottle no need to speak anything to the lady about st or LT just chill have a few drinks with her and tell her you know everything no need to speak about money. If you don't like the lady just give her 1500 and let her free after 1 pop if you like her and have the vibe with with her then 3 k is the best price anywhere in BKK for a Thai lady. If the lady starts the money talk be ready that is the first sign of trouble second being she asking money upfront. You are a high roller just act smart, dress smart, be classy act classy like its a formal dinner date and trust me everything will fall into place. Chat up with a girl, enjoy a drink or two with her feel her up kiss her in the club if the vibe is there only then take her other wise options are immense till 5 am in the morning.

Early evening you can also try Oskar it has the same range of ladies as Spasso and even no lady at Spasso took more than 3 k from me. Secondly stay in a good 5 * property in Bangkok everything counts, if you like the babe keep her in the day buy her a dress go for lunch and have 2 pops again. Treat her normal and trust me you will be having the ride of your life.

NO need to ask her st or LT, just chill drink with her dance like a date and in the morning slip 3 k in her purse and tell her there is a small stuff for you I hope you will like it, take her no if you like her and she will bring friends and they will take you to car or another Thai club so more ladies to choose. Scene is totally different people just don't understand it, men think Thai ladies are sex machines lets be real and treat them good and man they are hungry tigress in the bed.

Cheers: Try SING SING also.

Alex

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1886060]When I was in Mixx a few nights ago, a similar situation happened to me. I was quoted $200USD and I also countered with 2000 baht and got the same reaction -- a slight look of disgust and abject despair.[/QUOTE]You should work more on your international playboy image, bespoken residence and dress buying skills. Just highroll your way out. That will tame the tigress into a kitten. It's so easy, I wonder why people doesn't understand that.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1886058]This time, I arrived with two girls in tow, who in turn introduced me to several of their gal pals all clearly on the make and available if I wanted to blow off the girl who invited me along. It's a lot more fun that way surrounded by women duh. [/QUOTE]Yah, that'll change your mind in a hurry!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1886058]That being said, the place is a desperate fire trap waiting for the wrong combination of events. As far I know, there in only exit and entry door that leads (in a desperate escape) to an underground garage. Since smoking is allowed, it only exacerbates the dangers of being there. Throw in the noise and some people who don't have club manners and it can be a daunting place.[/QUOTE]I cannot disagree with you there. It is not the safest or the most comfortable of environments, but I do find some tasty talent there.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1886058]It's noteworthy to mention that I saw several girls I had seen earlier at BBeat in Climax including one who had left with a customer earlier from BBeat.[/QUOTE]Hmm, this is interesting. So BBeat precedes Climax for a set of girls, which (presumably) precedes some place like Spicy or Bossy. I knew about the Climax<Spicey<Bossy ordering, but did not know that they came to Climax from BBeat.

I actually think Climax is the confluence of several streams of girls. In the past, I have seen gogo girls from Nana who I saw BFed at 9 pm turn up in Climax at 1 am. I know some girls from Thermae move on to Climax. I have also seen some pool bar girls from Gulliver's move over to Climax at around midnight. So all roads lead to Climax, at least for the girls who did not land a date early enough, or who are done with their date. I suspect (though do not know) that Mixx is a competitor to Climax, and not a feeder or outlet.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1886040]Last Tuesday I came to BK for the first of three evenings in the land of smiles.[/QUOTE]Excellent report Sky Ryder, thanks for taking the time to share it.

Not to dump on your host, but anyone who knows the BKK night scene knows that Climax is dead before 11 pm (and probably even up to midnight). But good you bust your nut. That makes a whole lot of difference. Plus it sounds like he really did his work in helping you sort out the girls in Climax. So it's all good.

I also found the Spasso girl's refusal to go lower than 5000 interesting (and useful) information. I have never gotten a good vibe from Spasso. The girls seem too expectant. Whenever people are sipping wine instead of Bacardi cooler or San Miguel, you know you're going to get screwed, but not fucked (if you see what I mean there).

Looking forward to your next report!

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1886040] To my surprise there were also a few rather rotund ladies, that I have to give credit for even trying. To my eye they stood an equal chance to getting a client as a snowball in Hades, but what do I know.[/QUOTE]One of they great mysteries of Thai women. You can see the same, at different levels, in any P4 P establishment in Thailand. There must be a lesson to learn from that - "In life, never give up". However we know that men from some cultures like fat women.

[QUOTE]Ordered two house brand vodka cocktails, and got the bill. It was the most I have ever paid for a non-call brand cocktail. Anywhere. I paid more that 1400 baht.[/QUOTE]Wow. Not even in Paris, London, or Moscow. Pure Thai nonsense.

[QUOTE]I didn't misunderstand at all, she meant 6 K for short time.[/QUOTE]That, I understand. The hotel is full of men on business trips from various rich countries to which $180 seems a bargain. Their pockets probably still hurt from the last time they tried that at home and were given the mediocre "no this, no that" service for $500. She set an exclusive (for Thailand) price and found that she can cash it night after night, just like the drinks above. Also, in some cultures the sex act with a pro is something done for its own sake, no need to have it last a long time or develop any rapport or closeness. ST is perfect for that.

[QUOTE]She kissed me on the cheek, smiled that "I had to ask" smile and off she went.[/QUOTE]Paid as agreed. Well done. It wasn't that bad. Same price as in Pattaya for a girl or lady that you can actually look from all angles without asking yourself why the self-inflicted visual punishment.

I smelled bad service all the way around. Though she was quite pretty, I was dealing with a pure pro supported by her opening ask price. Really not interested except to determine the cost for future reference.

Yes, someone else mentioned Mixx and Climax as competitors, and they are, indeed, certainly competitors. Both charge an entry fee with one drink included in cost and few people, men or women are going to switch venues at that hour of the night or early morning. You either go one or the other. Does not make sense to haul around in a taxi looking for something better. Mixx entry fee is quite a bit higher (350).

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1886229]You should work more on your international playboy image, bespoken residence and dress buying skills. Just highroll your way out. That will tame the tigress into a kitten. It's so easy, I wonder why people doesn't understand that.[/QUOTE]

And the saga continues.

Had massage from a tall, curvy lady on Soi 18 shop, she gave me a one hour Thai and then a one hour oil. Both were outstanding. I really wanted to get full service, but she said they only allowed HJ in their shop. I wasn't going to waste a load on a HJ, but I was too weak minded to say "NO". If she could screw as well as she did HJ and a little BBBJ, it was an opportunity missed for me. Oh well. Met a very good friend who was in town and we went to meet a gentleman I had only done business with online. As it turned out we had both worked for the same company on two separate occasions. It really is a small world. Had a couple of nice cold beers and decided to eat dinner at a really good place called "No Idea" on Soi 22. It was a good choice. Shared a "Tomahawk" steak that was prepared to perfection. My friend lives in China, so the chance to get a nice piece of steak is a real treat and it was worth it. Highly recommend No Idea to eat and drink, all around good time.

After dinner decided to walk to Oskar's, which was a good walk to say the least. Went in and ordered a drink, my first time in this bar as well. Much smaller scale than Spasso's. It was kind of like a good place for the gals that didn't want to complete with the high level talent at Spasso's, but still consider themselves on a different level than Climax. At least early in the evening. I was also wondering if there are a few more "newbies" than some other bars. Spotted a couple of gals with a group, but wasn't willing to take a chance they were civilians and one of the group was giving me the "come over and talk to my really cute friends and I'll rip your tongue out" look. Maybe I was projecting a little bit. Spied a well formed lass in OMG how did she get in those jeans, and some spectacular heels, walked up as she was paying for her drink and handed the waitress enough money. She smiled and said thanks, put her money back in her purse and made some small talk. After about 5 minutes, she took out her phone and turned her back to me while she was texting. It was a very effective technique, and one I hadn't seen in a while. Being the astute gent I am, I realised I was getting the brush off and walked back to my friend. Still tried to get one of the cuties interested from the foursome at the table, but the force field was too strong to penetrate. My buddy and I left about 11:00, which is maybe a little late for Oskar's.

Walked to Thermae, as I hadn't been there in a while and we both wanted to see what the talent level was in Thermae. As soon as we walked in the place, we both looked at each other and had the same thought, this reminded us of "flower street" in the heyday of Chang Ping KTV's in China. The girls were lined up along the wall shoulder to shoulder. We decided to do the tour. Against the flow to see how the girls reacted to a white guy and a Hong Kong guy. Got a few smiles, a few grab my hands from the "more life experienced" ladies, and more than a few "look aways" from ladies that didn't want our attention. Drank a beer and sat down and noticed this pair of long. Well formed. Bare legs that were only covered by short cut off jeans. And I mean short, with just enough of a camel toe to make it interesting. She was really cute as well and after a few moments, I walked over to say Hello,. I was a little surprised I didn't get rebuffed as I am not Japanese or Korean. Chatted for few minutes and then asked how much for short time. She said 3500, I countered with 2000, she said 3000 and I countered with 2000. We smiled for a minute, and then I realised that I was being used as a "icebreaker", she really didn't want to go with me, but no one had talked to her. Funny how as soon as I walked away, a couple of guys walked right up and chatted away. I moved to another lady on the left side and while cute, wasn't as well built. I had seen a Japanese gent speaking with her and he walked away. I told her I was glad I had a chance to say Hello, turns out the Japanese guy thought she was too expensive or was considering his options. The conversation went to my intentions and I told her short time and my price, she declined, and made a counter. I went up a little and she wasn't interested. I walked away again. Got another beer, and decided to approach a very well endowed lady that was in her 30's I am sure. She had been welcoming me with her eyes all evening. As I walked over another girl walked up and started chatting about working girl stuff I am sure. I waited about ten minutes and decided to call it a night. As we were leaving, the second girl was right in front of us with her Japanese guy in tow. It seems that after I talked to her, he made his way back around and decided to pull the trigger. I was tempted to ask her for a commission!

We walked back to the hotel and were stopped by a nice smile from a 30 something lady at one of the street bars. It was a hot night, and she had nice legs and seemed fun. Stopped for a beer and after chatting for a while, I decided "what the heck". She agreed to my price and off we went. I guess I didn't realize those street bars get a bar fine as well.

Turned out she was a LOT of fun in the room and seemed to throughly enjoy our time together. No rush, just a good pace and she acted as if it had been a while since she had been "horizontal". She was abundantly clear that she intended to get "hers" as well and rode me cowgirl and a very active doogie to make sure she got all I had to offer.

She left with a nice hug and kiss good bye and I was more than satisfied. All in all a good ending to a fairly curious night.

Dear all,

I was reading this forum as I am planning to travel for 4 days at Bangkonk only for enjoy. But I have my restriction of budget and max I can spend 2000 BHT for LT. Please advice me decent places withing same range as I will stay only 4 nights so I do not want waste time in moving one place to another. Also for day time action please suggest me Massage parlor with service in range of 1000.

Thanks in advance.

Has anyone visited the new disco at the Nana hotel.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1886471]

Walked to Thermae, as I hadn't been there in a while and we both wanted to see what the talent level was in Thermae. As soon as we walked in the place, we both looked at each other and had the same thought, this reminded us of "flower street" in the heyday of Chang Ping KTV's in China. The girls were lined up along the wall shoulder to shoulder. We decided to do the tour. Against the flow to see how the girls reacted to a white guy and a Hong Kong guy. Got a few smiles, a few grab my hands from the "more life experienced" ladies, and more than a few "look aways" from ladies that didn't want our attention. Drank a beer and sat down and noticed this pair of long. Well formed. Bare legs that were only covered by short cut off jeans. And I mean short, with just enough of a camel toe to make it interesting. She was really cute as well and after a few moments, I walked over to say Hello,. I was a little surprised I didn't get rebuffed as I am not Japanese or Korean. Chatted for few minutes and then asked how much for short time. She said 3500, I countered with 2000, she said 3000 and I countered with 2000. We smiled for a minute, and then I realised that I was being used as a "icebreaker", she really didn't want to go with me, but no one had talked to her. Funny how as soon as I walked away, a couple of guys walked right up and chatted away. I moved to another lady on the left side and while cute, wasn't as well built. I had seen a Japanese gent speaking with her and he walked away. I told her I was glad I had a chance to say Hello, turns out the Japanese guy thought she was too expensive or was considering his options. The conversation went to my intentions and I told her short time and my price, she declined, and made a counter. I went up a little and she wasn't interested. I walked away again. Got another beer, and decided to approach a very well endowed lady that was in her 30's I am sure. She had been welcoming me with her eyes all evening. As I walked over another girl walked up and started chatting about working girl stuff I am sure. I waited about ten minutes and decided to call it a night. As we were leaving, the second girl was right in front of us with her Japanese guy in tow. It seems that after I talked to her, he made his way back around and decided to pull the trigger. I was tempted to ask her for a commission!
.[/QUOTE]Great place to go if your a white guy and don't mind being turned down by almost all the girls that catch your eye. Waste of time in my opinion (for myself at least), I don't bother going there anymore. There's always a handful right near the door who try to get your attention but they're never ones you'd want to go with. Also wonder if there are girls who say no to non asians so as to save face, this being a general question for Thermae, Climax, Insomnia etc. Personally, I'm better off hunting in the gogo's and the beer bars where I can see the girls reaction without having to do the walk inside Thermae. Case in point I smiled at a cute gogo girl dancing, she saw my interest and stepped behind another dancer. Easy to spot, easy to avoid without getting turned down by every girl in line.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1886678]Great place to go if your a white guy and don't mind being turned down by almost all the girls that catch your eye. Waste of time in my opinion (for myself at least), I don't bother going there anymore.[/QUOTE]Me too. I been 3 times in Thermae in the past years and I got 3 very bad perfomance, waste of time and money.

[QUOTE=KpPat4676;1886536]Dear all,
I was reading this forum as I am planning to travel for 4 days at Bangkonk only for enjoy. But I have my restriction of budget and max I can spend 2000 BHT for LT. Please advice me decent places withing same range as I will stay only 4 nights so I do not want waste time in moving one place to another. Also for day time action please suggest me Massage parlor with service in range of 1000.
[/QUOTE]I think you don't need advice, but a budget more high. Good Luck!

[QUOTE=Breadman;1886678]Easy to spot, easy to avoid without getting turned down by every girl in line.[/QUOTE]Sorry may I ask you age? Here in Pattaya (and in Patong too) 40s is already at risk of rejection by stunners and some hotties. And same happened to me with a lone, full model quality at the garage disco in Bangkok. But if a go-go girl would do like that to me I would then pretend to be willing to barfine her, flashing money etc, and drag it for the longest time possible, just to call off at the last second blaming the girl's attitude. If a woman wants full customer choice discretion rights the FL door is always open.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1886691]Sorry may I ask you age?[/QUOTE]In my case its not really my age that causes problems but the way I'm built. I'm like a giant to these Thai girls, 6'5" and 260 lbs (2 meters tall and 120 kg's). I barfined a cuite from Nana last trip, she was around 4'11" but with the most amazing natural small D's, wasn't until she was changed and ready to walk out with me that she realized the top of her head barely came up to my chest. Then in the room, after seeing little breadman, she wanted to refund my barfine but I talked her into staying the night and we had a couple of amazing romps (with lots of lube).

[QUOTE=Breadman;1886707]In my case its not really my age that causes problems but the way I'm built. I'm like a giant to these Thai girls, 6'5" and 260 lbs (2 meters tall and 120 kg's).[/QUOTE]Ah. It can be that for sure. But at least you've got other advantages from that. Although travelling must be a biatch for you.

Guys are generics of Vardenafil (Levitra) and Avanafil (avana) available in Bangkok? I was not able to get them in April visit. I was just searching near pharmacy close to Nana. Should have packed few boxes while I was in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=KpPat4676;1886536]Dear all,

I was reading this forum as I am planning to travel for 4 days at Bangkonk only for enjoy. But I have my restriction of budget and max I can spend 2000 BHT for LT. Please advice me decent places withing same range as I will stay only 4 nights so I do not want waste time in moving one place to another. Also for day time action please suggest me Massage parlor with service in range of 1000.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]MPs in front of Citadines on soi 23 would be in range of 1000 plus tip. 2000 LT either depends on your luck or your looks but then again if you had the game you would not have been looking for budget p4 p. So better option is to cool off for a day or two, save few more baht and hit Climax, Nana parking lot, Thermae with higher budget.

P.S.: Stay away from gogo's at that budget.

[QUOTE=KpPat4676;1886536]I was reading this forum as I am planning to travel for 4 days at Bangkonk only for enjoy. But I have my restriction of budget and max I can spend 2000 BHT for LT. Please advice me decent places withing same range as I will stay only 4 nights so I do not want waste time in moving one place to another. Also for day time action please suggest me Massage parlor with service in range of 1000.[/QUOTE]Prices in Bangkok are generally out of your range. I presume you might get a LT for 2000 from some of the streetwalkers in Nana area (Soi 3, Soi 4, and down Sukhumvit road to Asoke), but the quality won't impress anyone, and even with them, it's a bit of a tall order, perhaps easier the later it gets. No fixed venues, like beer bars, agogo bars or massage parlors, will fit within that price (especially if you add the barfine cost).

As for full-service massage (short time) for 1000, very few are around. One is "S Botan" (you can search this on Google Maps), at Rama VI Road soi 13. The selection is not that bad for that price, service is very basic, they might not speak English. I strongly suggest you up your budget to 2100, and get 90 minutes (for multiple pops) at one of the well-known PSE oilies (Tulip, Snow White, Cherry etc). They cost more, but are way better value, whichever way you measure it.

If you're in Thailand only for mongering, I'd strongly suggest going to Pattaya (it's just 3 h away by bus from Bangkok). Selection of girls within your price range there is much wider, and while you won't be a star of the town, offering 1000ST /2000 LT won't be scraping the bottom of the (rather unappealing) barrel, as it would be in Bangkok.

It has been about three years since I've been to BKK. I was wondering if any of my fellow punters could fill me in. I am up only for short time. Overall looks of a girl to me are less important than her attitude and performance. I tend to choose freelancers most of the time as I don't see much point in paying a bar fine and haven't noticed that much difference in the performance of the girls. The only thing I do notice is that some of the go go bar girls tend to be better looking. The short time prices I encountered last time I was there was $1,500 baht for freelancers standing around Nana Plaza and Nana Hotel, there were some girls that were slightly more plain a little further down that went for $1,000. The larger ladies in the Soi Arab area went for $1,000. Are there any other good areas that I might try for freelancers? Khoasan Road? Also what are the prices like in these areas currently? Thanks!

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1886471]

Walked to Thermae, as I hadn't been there in a while and we both wanted to see what the talent level was in Thermae. As soon as we walked in the place, we both looked at each other and had the same thought, this reminded us of "flower street" in the heyday of Chang Ping KTV's in China. The girls were lined up along the wall shoulder to shoulder. We decided to do the tour. Against the flow to see how the girls reacted to a white guy and a Hong Kong guy. Got a few smiles, a few grab my hands from the "more life experienced" ladies, and more than a few "look aways" from ladies that didn't want our attention. Drank a beer and sat down and noticed this pair of long. Well formed. Bare legs that were only covered by short cut off jeans. And I mean short, with just enough of a camel toe to make it interesting. She was really cute as well and after a few moments, I walked over to say Hello,. I was a little surprised I didn't get rebuffed as I am not Japanese or Korean. Chatted for few minutes and then asked how much for short time. She said 3500, I countered with 2000, she said 3000 and I countered with 2000. We smiled for a minute, and then I realised that I was being used as a "icebreaker", she really didn't want to go with me, but no one had talked to her. Funny how as soon as I walked away, a couple of guys walked right up and chatted away. I moved to another lady on the left side and while cute, wasn't as well built. I had seen a Japanese gent speaking with her and he walked away. I told her I was glad I had a chance to say Hello, turns out the Japanese guy thought she was too expensive or was considering his options. The conversation went to my intentions and I told her short time and my price, she declined, and made a counter. I went up a little and she wasn't interested. I walked away again. Got another beer, and decided to approach a very well endowed lady that was in her 30's I am sure. She had been welcoming me with her eyes all evening. As I walked over another girl walked up and started chatting about working girl stuff I am sure. I waited about ten minutes and decided to call it a night. As we were leaving, the second girl was right in front of us with her Japanese guy in tow. It seems that after I talked to her, he made his way back around and decided to pull the trigger. I was tempted to ask her for a commission!
[/QUOTE]On your first girl at Thermae that night, the one you seemed to be most smitten by, why did you not budge from your starting point of 2000 baht? She came down from her 3500 to 3000 pretty fast. But you didn't go up to 2500 from 2000 and likely close the deal with a girl in the place that caught your fancy and attention the most.

At such a moment I would have countered with 2500 and told her what a girl would need to do in order to get 2500 from me this night. LOL. Hell, if she agreed to my apparently uncommonly high demands, as a suprising number of girls do around town, even at Thermae, but still wouldn't budge from her 3000 in exchange for it, I just might have agreed to her price anyway if she was as hot as you described. And there is a very good possibility based on my recent experiences with young attractive Thermae girls that she would have agreed to my demands after landing on the compromise between her 3000 and my 2000, at 2500. Btw, I am a 63 y.o. white guy.

In a town where guys regularly pay 1000+ for a mediocre massage and a HJ and commit to 4000+ all in for ST with go-go girls, I would not feel like a chump for agreeing to 2500-3000 with a hot Thermae girl who caught my fancy and attention as much as that one did with you.

Of course, the deciding factor would be whether or not she would agree to my particular expectations for the 2500-3000. But it doesn't appear from your report that anything other that price was up for negotiation, not performance level / service, something far more important to negotiate IMO than a 500-1000 baht difference either way in a final agreed upon price. And there was precious little of that considering you didn't budge from your 2000 starting (and ending) point.

Anyway, I was just wondering why you felt sticking to 2000 rather than moving to 2500 and not including any mention at all of exactly what in the room the money negotiation was even about was the way to go with that Thermae girl. Maybe it is a smarter and more effective approach than mine.

Maybe Sky Ryder was thinking along the same negotiating style that I have or Mr. E' even better negotiating tactics.

A couple of months ago, I was in BBeat and I spied a girl who I had flirted with on previous nights. Really cute and petite, though she sort of ignored me on prior occasions. It was almost closing time at 2:30 am. I started chatting with her as very few prospects were about. After a while some dancing. Finally, I indicated my direct interest and she said that she was very expensive. I said that I don't generally don't pay expensive prices to which she responded after thinking a few seconds '3000'. I said, no I can only pay 2000. Then, quickly she said 2500. I said 'no, I can only pay 2000'.

Then, she asked me where I lived. At the time, it was on Soi 10, which is fairly close to the club. Then she asked me if I wanted long time or short time. To which I responded 'up to you'. She nodded her head and said ok '2000. Off we went into the night. She stayed until Noon the next day. She prob agreed to the price due to the lateness of the hour, my location, and the flexibility I gave her regarding the duration; not to mention that I am an extremely hansum man.

I did it partially for the fun of it and to see if she (or someone else) would go with me for 2000 that late in the evening from this club. It was a test run, so to speak. I think if it was earlier in the night, the situation may have turned out differently. But I totally applaud Sky Ryder's attempt. I do understand your point of view though, as on occasion I have paid more than 2000, either because I was really attracted to the girl or some other factors were at play. In his prior report, Sky Ryder also mentions his 2000 bt ceiling in a similar negotiation. In my view, that is really what the price should be in general, if not lower. This price creep, as it were, is increasing on almost a monthly basis due to uniformed and lazy guys paying whatever the girls ask further encouraging higher prices. It's becoming a death spiral for all parties involved.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1886789]On your first girl at Thermae that night, the one you seemed to be most smitten by, why did you not budge from your starting point of 2000 baht? She came down from her 3500 to 3000 pretty fast. But you didn't go up to 2500 from 2000 and likely close the deal with a girl in the place that caught your fancy and attention the most.

At such a moment I would have countered with 2500 and told her what a girl would need to do in order to get 2500 from me this night. LOL. Hell, if she agreed to my apparently uncommonly high demands, as a suprising number of girls do around town, even at Thermae, but still wouldn't budge from her 3000 in exchange for it, I just might have agreed to her price anyway if she was as hot as you described. And there is a very good possibility based on my recent experiences with young attractive Thermae girls that she would have agreed to my demands after landing on the compromise between her 3000 and my 2000, at 2500. Btw, I am a 63 y.o. white guy.

In a town where guys regularly pay 1000+ for a mediocre massage and a HJ and commit to 4000+ all in for ST with go-go girls, I would not feel like a chump for agreeing to 2500-3000 with a hot Thermae girl who caught my fancy and attention as much as that one did with you.

Of course, the deciding factor would be whether or not she would agree to my particular expectations for the 2500-3000. But it doesn't appear from your report that anything other that price was up for negotiation, not performance level / service, something far more important to negotiate IMO than a 500-1000 baht difference either way in a final agreed upon price. And there was precious little of that considering you didn't budge from your 2000 starting (and ending) point.

Anyway, I was just wondering why you felt sticking to 2000 rather than moving to 2500 and not including any mention at all of exactly what in the room the money negotiation was even about was the way to go with that Thermae girl. Maybe it is a smarter and more effective approach than mine.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Sky Ryder was thinking along the same negotiating style that I have or Mr. E' even better negotiating tactics.

A couple of months ago, I was in BBeat and I spied a girl who I had flirted with on previous nights. Really cute and petite, though she sort of ignored me on prior occasions. It was almost closing time at 2:30 am. I started chatting with her as very few prospects were about. After a while some dancing. Finally, I indicated my direct interest and she said that she was very expensive. I said that I don't generally don't pay expensive prices to which she responded after thinking a few seconds '3000'. I said, no I can only pay 2000. Then, quickly she said 2500. I said 'no, I can only pay 2000'.

Then, she asked me where I lived. At the time, it was on Soi 10, which is fairly close to the club. Then she asked me if I wanted long time or short time. To which I responded 'up to you'. She nodded her head and said ok '2000. Off we went into the night. She stayed until Noon the next day. She prob agreed to the price due to the lateness of the hour, my location, and the flexibility I gave her regarding the duration.

I did it partially for the fun of it and to see if she (or someone else) would go with me for 2000 that late in the evening from this club. It was a test run, so to speak. I think if it was earlier in the night, the situation may have turned out differently. But I totally applaud Sky Ryder's attempt. I do understand your point of view though, as on occasion I have paid more than 2000, either because I was really attracted to the girl or some other factors were at play. In his prior report, Sky Ryder also mentions his 2000 bt ceiling in a similar negotiation. In my view, that is really what the price should be in general, if not lower. This price creep, as it were, is increasing on almost a monthly basis due to uniformed and lazy guys paying whatever the girls ask further encouraging higher prices. It's becoming a death spiral for all parties involved.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1886789]On your first girl at Thermae that night, the one you seemed to be most smitten by, why did you not budge from your starting point of 2000 baht? She came down from her 3500 to 3000 pretty fast. But you didn't go up to 2500 from 2000 and likely close the deal with a girl in the place that caught your fancy and attention the most.

At such a moment I would have countered with 2500 and told her what a girl would need to do in order to get 2500 from me this night. LOL. Hell, if she agreed to my apparently uncommonly high demands, as a suprising number of girls do around town, even at Thermae, but still wouldn't budge from her 3000 in exchange for it, I just might have agreed to her price anyway if she was as hot as you described. And there is a very good possibility based on my recent experiences with young attractive Thermae girls that she would have agreed to my demands after landing on the compromise between her 3000 and my 2000, at 2500. Btw, I am a 63 y.o. white guy.

In a town where guys regularly pay 1000+ for a mediocre massage and a HJ and commit to 4000+ all in for ST with go-go girls, I would not feel like a chump for agreeing to 2500-3000 with a hot Thermae girl who caught my fancy and attention as much as that one did with you.

Of course, the deciding factor would be whether or not she would agree to my particular expectations for the 2500-3000. But it doesn't appear from your report that anything other that price was up for negotiation, not performance level / service, something far more important to negotiate IMO than a 500-1000 baht difference either way in a final agreed upon price. And there was precious little of that considering you didn't budge from your 2000 starting (and ending) point.

Anyway, I was just wondering why you felt sticking to 2000 rather than moving to 2500 and not including any mention at all of exactly what in the room the money negotiation was even about was the way to go with that Thermae girl. Maybe it is a smarter and more effective approach than mine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1886789]

At such a moment I would have countered with 2500 and told her what a girl would need to do in order to get 2500 from me this night. LOL. Hell, if she agreed to my apparently uncommonly high demands, as a suprising number of girls do around town, even at Thermae, but still wouldn't budge from her 3000 in exchange for it, I just might have agreed to her price anyway if she was as hot as you described. And there is a very good possibility based on my recent experiences with young attractive Thermae girls that she would have agreed to my demands after landing on the compromise between her 3000 and my 2000, at 2500. Btw, I am a 63 y.o. white guy.

Of course, the deciding factor would be whether or not she would agree to my particular expectations for the 2500-3000. But it doesn't appear from your report that anything other that price was up for negotiation, not performance level / service, something far more important to negotiate IMO than a 500-1000 baht difference either way in a final agreed upon price. And there was precious little of that considering you didn't budge from your 2000 starting (and ending) point.

Anyway, I was just wondering why you felt sticking to 2000 rather than moving to 2500 and not including any mention at all of exactly what in the room the money negotiation was even about was the way to go with that Thermae girl. Maybe it is a smarter and more effective approach than mine.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your POV, and I am 100% sure that there was no financial reason we couldn't have reached an agreement that would have gotten that young lady naked in my bed. If it sounded as if I was "whining", then I apologize, I was not. It was a factual report about what happened and the outcome. The truth is that at that moment, in that place, with that lady, it just wasn't 3000 K important to me, or for that matter, 2500 K. I wasn't trying to make a point with her or "hold down prices" or any other political agenda. I was willing to pay 2000 K for ST with her and she was not willing to accept that amount. No harm, no foul. Now one thing that I really didn't consider at that moment, and probably will in the future is "value added services" like I'll give you 3000 K, but that means anal is on the menu and you must BBJTCNQCIMNS, or some other fun thing I can think of doing. A good suggestion, should I find a lady in the future that I wish to "splurge" with a little. I do agree that making sure that everyone involved is on the same page, if you have specific desires. One of mine is ALWAYS, I will pay you when you leave, there is no room for negotiating that one, I do however sometimes agree to half before / half after. That is on a case by case basis.

Does anyone happen to know is there are any of these drive up short time places around Suk, Silom, or Ratchada. I have one that I use in my neighborhood on Chaengwattana Rd. So if anyone needs that location I'd be happy to share, but most people don't wander up to that area often. The type I'm talking about is where you drive up to a carport and then a curtain is pulled around the back of your vehicle. There is a door to the room inside the carport. Then an attendant comes and collects your 350 baht at your door for 3 hours. It cracks me up every time!

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1886865]I appreciate your POV, and I am 100% sure that there was no financial reason we couldn't have reached an agreement that would have gotten that young lady naked in my bed. If it sounded as if I was "whining", then I apologize, I was not. It was a factual report about what happened and the outcome. The truth is that at that moment, in that place, with that lady, it just wasn't 3000 K important to me, or for that matter, 2500 K. I wasn't trying to make a point with her or "hold down prices" or any other political agenda. I was willing to pay 2000 K for ST with her and she was not willing to accept that amount. No harm, no foul. Now one thing that I really didn't consider at that moment, and probably will in the future is "value added services" like I'll give you 3000 K, but that means anal is on the menu and you must BBJTCNQCIMNS, or some other fun thing I can think of doing. A good suggestion, should I find a lady in the future that I wish to "splurge" with a little. I do agree that making sure that everyone involved is on the same page, if you have specific desires. One of mine is ALWAYS, I will pay you when you leave, there is no room for negotiating that one, I do however sometimes agree to half before / half after. That is on a case by case basis.[/QUOTE]No, I for one didn't think you were whining at all. You did what the vast majority of punters who even bother to negotiate (a good thing to do, imo) do; you negotiated on price. But as is also the case with most negotiators, there wasn't a mention of "what" the negotiation over price was for. I just wonder why so few ever bring that, to me, crucial element into the exchange with these girls. A place like Thermae is ripe for it imo.

I very much understand why one wouldn't budge from a low starting point if they don't think a standard "lick around the edges, if that, and covered everything along with no DFK or DATY" level of service was worth more than that amount with a particular lady. But, for instance, what if that girl had agreed to BBFS for the first hour and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow for the second hour at a compromised 2500 baht?

You don't have to answer that question specifically about that particular girl or at all, it is just a rhetorical question pertaining to this idea that a difference between 500-1000 baht is really a battle worth waging in this hobby of ours but the difference between getting a boring standard assembly line result in the room vs something that truly qualifies as a memorable GFE or PSE for the money is an afterthought at best.

Low or zero stated expectations for the money, let's call it "lower service creep", might just be a far greater threat to Value For Money in this environnment than the so-called "price creep" most are concerned about.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1886865]Now one thing that I really didn't consider at that moment, and probably will in the future is "value added services" like I'll give you 3000 K, but that means anal is on the menu and you must BBJTCNQCIMNS, or some other fun thing I can think of doing.[/QUOTE]Please don't do that. I find that prices in Thailand are all inclusive. No freelancer has ever itemized shit here. You will fuck around and make this place like Tijuana Mexico where chicks charge you extra for them to even take off their clothes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1887013]Low or zero stated expectations for the money, let's call it "lower service creep", might just be a far greater threat to Value For Money in this environnment than the so-called "price creep" most are concerned about.[/QUOTE]And the combination of both, which I believe we are seeing now in LOS, is really an awful double whammy. Less for more.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1887013]Low or zero stated expectations for the money, let's call it "lower service creep", might just be a far greater threat to Value For Money in this environnment than the so-called "price creep" most are concerned about.[/QUOTE]You're spot on with this.

However, I don't think there's much value in specifically enumerating, in excruciating detail, all the services you expect them to provide. The only exception is stuff like anal or more than one shot within the given time, which is not normally understood to be included.

If they have a good attitude and try to please, the session will be fine, it's almost irrelevant on whether they swallow or spit your cum.

On the other hand, with a crappy attitude, it's useless even if they formally tick all the boxes, which they won't. There's not much you can do about it except maybe reduce payment if she has overstepped too much and you don't mind creating some hassle.

The beauty of mongering in Thailand used to be that they'd treat you well and always do a reasonable job, without the need to argue about technicalities of whether the price includes taking their bra off, or giving the BBBJ or a CBJ. Once that good attitude becomes uncommon, there's not much we can do about declining service levels. Sure, it feels good to stand your ground out of principle, but you're not going with that girl again, and the next one is just as likely to flake.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1887173]You're spot on with this.

However, I don't think there's much value in specifically enumerating, in excruciating detail, all the services you expect them to provide. The only exception is stuff like anal or more than one shot within the given time, which is not normally understood to be included.
[/QUOTE]For the most part the only detailed question I ask when I am chatting up a girl with whom I have no inclination to risk wasting my time and money is some variation of, "Will you sa-moke (give blowjob) for me, no condom, finish in mouth everything?", pointing to her mouth for clarity. And that doesn't just come out of nowhere. It is a question that has been led up to although it can be led up to rather quickly. If the answer is yes in the bar, the club or the street, most everything else I am interested in will be settled in the room. And I might not go for a BJ at all in the room.

Believe it or not, some of the worst experiences I have ever had were in supposedly reliable PSE venues where the standards were either spelled out in a menu or had been highly touted by posters on forums like this one as the kind of places where one doesn't need to discuss excruciating details like BBBJ+CIM.

Want to bet? LOL.

Cherry Massage, Bamboo Massage, Tulip Massage and Love Teen Massage come to mind on that count for me. I will never again go into a PSE massage shop, no matter what is spelled out on a menu or highly touted by fellow punters online or in person, choose a girl and NOT go into excruciating detail in front of the mamasan and anyone else nearby over exactly what she will and won't do for me in the room.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1886768]It has been about three years since I've been to BKK. I was wondering if any of my fellow punters could fill me in. I am up only for short time. Overall looks of a girl to me are less important than her attitude and performance. I tend to choose freelancers most of the time as I don't see much point in paying a bar fine and haven't noticed that much difference in the performance of the girls. The only thing I do notice is that some of the go go bar girls tend to be better looking. The short time prices I encountered last time I was there was $1,500 baht for freelancers standing around Nana Plaza and Nana Hotel, there were some girls that were slightly more plain a little further down that went for $1,000. The larger ladies in the Soi Arab area went for $1,000. Are there any other good areas that I might try for freelancers? Khoasan Road? Also what are the prices like in these areas currently? Thanks![/QUOTE]Johnnie,

I go to Thailand every year. You have the prices backward. Girls standing around Nana are 1000 baht for short time. Actually, all freelancers are 1000. That is the standard. Now if you look like a sucker or a newbie then they will charge what they think they can get out of you. I am sure I will have some guys complain and say they pay more and I should pay more. Now the woman at Grace hotel in front and inside will charge from 1500-2000 ext. The black woman are 1000 and they are on the main cross street between Nana and Grace. The Russian woman at Raja were 1600-2000 but are all now gone because of the Muslim threats to them.

My last evening turned out to be a little surprising, potentially disappointing, but in the end I was happy with it all. Played golf in the in morning, went to MBX in the afternoon and got a few items I had been looking for (I really like the goods at the Green Cotton booth), had a nice lunch in the food court and headed back to the hotel. I attributed the decent golf round to the very good Thai style massage at my new favorite massage shop, and stopped in for another hour treatment. Finished in time for shower and went to "Tacos and Salsa" on Soi 18 for a good Mexican dinner.

We then decided to go to Nana and see what was up there, stopped in a couple of bars, but nothing really struck my fancy. Decided to head back to Therame to look for one of three ladies I had seen, but not chatted up the night before. I was in the mood for a more "MILFy" type lady this evening, but none of the ones I had spied the previous evening were in attendance on this evening. I had to get up really early and was pretty tired, so thought I would take a shot at the street bars on the way home. The lady from the previous night was either not working or hadn't shown up at this relative early hour. Hauled my happy butt to the hotel, packed and went to sleep, happy with my decision to wait for the next visit.

All in all, a pretty good trip. I found a couple of places to investigate further, (Oskar's, The Den, one place for sure off the list (Spasso's), and the always fun of looking for the next good place. I am still looking for somewhere that starts a little early (8:00 pm) and is easy access for part-timers, newbies FL's.

Be back soon!

Sky.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1887347]All in all, a pretty good trip. I found a couple of places to investigate further, (Oskar's, The Den, one place for sure off the list (Spasso's), and the always fun of looking for the next good place. I am still looking for somewhere that starts a little early (8:00 pm) and is easy access for part-timers, newbies FL's.

Be back soon!

Sky.[/QUOTE]Sky everyone is looking for these kind of places which start early some kind like beer garden but a bit classy and with loads of part-timers something like thermae but starts at 5 pm. Even me in the coming trips to BKK due to work want to be snoozing by 12 because have work at 9 am so need a 6-7 hrs of good sleep. Let me try and search on my next trip to BKK will find some good early evening places and then report.

Anyhow cheers enjoy your trip back home.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1887188]For the most part the only detailed question I ask when I am chatting up a girl with whom I have no inclination to risk wasting my time and money is some variation of, "Will you sa-moke (give blowjob) for me, no condom, finish in mouth everything?", pointing to her mouth for clarity. And that doesn't just come out of nowhere. It is a question that has been led up to although it can be led up to rather quickly. If the answer is yes in the bar, the club or the street, most everything else I am interested in will be settled in the room. And I might not go for a BJ at all in the room.

Believe it or not, some of the worst experiences I have ever had were in supposedly reliable PSE venues where the standards were either spelled out in a menu or had been highly touted by posters on forums like this one as the kind of places where one doesn't need to discuss excruciating details like BBBJ+CIM.

Want to bet? LOL.

Cherry Massage, Bamboo Massage, Tulip Massage and Love Teen Massage come to mind on that count for me. I will never again go into a PSE massage shop, no matter what is spelled out on a menu or highly touted by fellow punters online or in person, choose a girl and NOT go into excruciating detail in front of the mamasan and anyone else nearby over exactly what she will and won't do for me in the room.[/QUOTE]Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Love Teen Massage is considered a PSE shop. I'm not suggesting it never happens at Cherry, Bamboo, or Tulip, but it seems somewhat unlikely to me that some of one's worst experiences from a service standpoint would be at places like Cherry, Bamboo, Tulip, Mango, or Snow White, which are all considered PSE shops. The service at these shops does vary from girl to girl in a way that wasn't the case just a few years ago, but nonetheless the service levels on average are significantly higher IMHO than at regular soapies, go-gos and non-PSE oilies.

I was in patpong today around nineish for "reasons", I walked the strip for a bit and was looking to see kangaroo, the entryway was packed with dudes with more make up than an ugly freelancer so I passed. The only place worth going in to was electric blue. Some of the dancers were fairly good looking. One looked like the model for asian barbie with legs so thin you would think they would break if she sat down to hard. The bra is insanely stuffed or she has the most massive set of tits for a tiny thin lady I have ever seen. Happy hour lasts until late so I got two horse kick strong drinks for 155 b. Was a father, mother daughter group that went in for the novelty. Gogo bars in BKK is so over.

BTSd it to cowboy and it was a sorry sight after being gone for a long time. Only the chicks with dicks looked alive and in a party mood. If I had had a larger purse this night I would have sunk some drinks with them just because what the heck. Went in to old faithful suzy wongs. Full on fur from the start and the show was nowhere in sight. I counted more married couples than single or dudes together. Majority was crew. Also first time I have seen 40+ yo dancers. They did not show gash but it's fairly obvious that they are older than I am. There were some better looking girls cleaning eating utensils in the pisser but like most of the dancers they still had gunts. The only true looker was no 49. A true princess that you can look at forever but I would never dare go for the BF. Chances of starfish are like one thousand percent with the princesses. If they are doing the usual of waiting for full house to start they show, they might start it sometime in November or something.

Crasyhouse had ALL the good looking chicks but many of them where hanging out outside in kimonos pounding shots from big trays in the street bar looking thing besides the door. First floor was packed with no seating and the stage was also packed. Upstairs was three chicks and the UV-painter guy shooting the breeze with no music so I just left. All the good things happen upstairs for me. I just left as it was apparent that the thought of how the fuck to program the washing machine in my room was going to be the single point of blood pressure increase today. I feel sad if BKK has all gone to discos and 6 k freelancers. Might as well jerk of to techno in my room. Yes that was hyperbole so no need to bring out the disco death squad to get me.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1887583]


Crasyhouse had ALL the good looking chicks but many of them where hanging out outside in kimonos pounding shots from big trays in the street bar looking thing besides the door. First floor was packed with no seating and the stage was packed.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I stayed around the corner from CH for 4 nights in BKK. I popped in there several times. It was always super jam packed. All older guys. Mostly Japanese (the hotel I stayed at had the Japanese golf tour groups with their golf club sets and all) and it was always a 3-1 or 4-1 guy to gogo dancer ratio. So, I always split thinking I'll be back when it's not so crowded. But, the situation never changed day after day. The girls on the stage were absolutely stunning and I wanted to bar fine but logic prevailed that with those ratios I did not stand a chance.

And yes, I saw the girls outside in those kimonos. But, you know none of the girls in their kimonos (another draw for the Japanese I presume), I saw when they were out in front at that cart buying stuff in their kimonos looked anything great. I could not figure that out. I guess the beautiful ones just don't have even a minute to go out and only average ones you see out? Dunno, but yeah the girls on the stage left a great impression on me.

As for the discos, I think Pattaya is a better bet.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1887665]Yeah, I stayed around the corner from CH for 4 nights in BKK. I popped in there several times. It was always super jam packed. All older guys. Mostly Japanese (the hotel I stayed at had the Japanese golf tour groups with their golf club sets and all) and it was always a 3-1 or 4-1 guy to gogo dancer ratio. So, I always split thinking I'll be back when it's not so crowded. But, the situation never changed day after day. The girls on the stage were absolutely stunning and I wanted to bar fine but logic prevailed that with those ratios I did not stand a chance.

And yes, I saw the girls outside in those kimonos. But, you know none of the girls in their kimonos (another draw for the Japanese I presume), I saw when they were out in front at that cart buying stuff in their kimonos looked anything great. I could not figure that out. I guess the beautiful ones just don't have even a minute to go out and only average ones you see out? Dunno, but yeah the girls on the stage left a great impression on me.

As for the discos, I think Pattaya is a better bet.[/QUOTE]Not really correct. Crazy House does have packed out days at 10 Pm, even a Tuesday 2 weeks ago was packed with so many guys standing. However there were other days where CH is not packed at all. Sunday is a good example. I recommend to attend 9 pm on a Friday, and grab one of the hot girls quick and lively before someone else does. If you show up late, you are left with dregs unless get awfully lucky with girls arriving very late or returning from a ST.

I believe Donut is the most stunning delicate girl in the bar, usually only Friday to Sunday and no guarantee she works. If grab her when she enters at 9. 30 pm approx. A wonderful time even with a so so BJ. Wait 15 minutes and someone else will have BFed her. No. 21 slim and very pretty. I have repeated several times. Seems to like fucking only nice guys. Not even close to PSE but great GFE is possible.

Other girls I like right now are Ging 40 with big tits, Jane 4 with almost no tits, Nikki 1 Stylish. Oom 91 now works elsewhere. May-Lee gone and Nut long gone. These are all the girls I most like to repeat. Some other girls pretty enough but dick scared.

The girls mostly prefer older guys (more generous less macho less showing off more nice). Girls not looking for a handsome guy unless he is also very nice.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1887696]Not really correct. Crazy House does have packed out days at 10 Pm, even a Tuesday 2 weeks ago was packed with so many guys standing. However there were other days where CH is not packed at all. Sunday is a good example. I recommend to attend 9 pm on a Friday, and grab one of the hot girls quick and lively before someone else does. If you show up late, you are left with dregs unless get awfully lucky with girls arriving very late or returning from a ST.

I believe Donut is the most stunning delicate girl in the bar, usually only Friday to Sunday and no guarantee she works. If grab her when she enters at 9. 30 pm approx. A wonderful time even with a so so BJ. Wait 15 minutes and someone else will have BFed her. No. 21 slim and very pretty. I have repeated several times. Seems to like fucking only nice guys. Not even close to PSE but great GFE is possible.

Other girls I like right now are Ging 40 with big tits, Jane 4 with almost no tits, Nikki 1 Stylish. Oom 91 now works elsewhere. May-Lee gone and Nut long gone. These are all the girls I most like to repeat. Some other girls pretty enough but dick scared.

The girls mostly prefer older guys (more generous less macho less showing off more nice). Girls not looking for a handsome guy unless he is also very nice.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Good to know. I know from previous posts that you have a great deal of experience at CH. So, I've made a copy on my tablet of your recommendations for future reference.

FYI, I never ever went to CH until way after 10 pm. So, that may be the problem I faced. But, even at that hour I saw many stunners. The guy to girl ratio is what caused me to split right away. I popped in several times and never found a seat and left each time without even buying a drink or hanging around, literally for more than a few minutes. It was right after the Buddha holiday for the next 4 days. Thx again.

At airport and ready for departure to Europe. Anyone with info on Oslo, Helsinki, Tallinn, St. Pete, Berlin, or Barcelona please let me know. With the exception of the last two cities, I think Mr. Happy will be getting a long deserved rest.

Naturally, I made my last stop at BBeat last night and due to my early morning wake up, I was hoping to find a long term situation to about 5 am. Alas, not that much new talent though I saw the big breasted older gal I dallied with this past weekend. She was trying to help me find someone if you can believe that but being more of a hindrance than a help, claiming that 3 k was standard LT and 2 k ST.

For prob the first time all winter I approached a sexy Trollop in there who gave me some eye contact but when I slid over I got a bit of the cold shoulder. WTF! Well, move on then. My big boob friend said this girl seemed to be shooting for the younger guys of which there are precious few in there.

That's ok as I spotted another one I had never seen before sitting alone in the table behind us. Again, I initiated the convo and she spoke good English. She did not appear Thai to me but it was gradually revealed that both her parents were half Thai and half Chinese, the latter half coming from Hainan. Her home was somewhere in Southern Thailand and must have been the most white skinned girl I have bedded this winter. So I am getting a head of myself a bit. First, my big boob friend was being a real pest waving three fingers (for 3 k baht) in the air etc. My little FL told me she was at university in her final year and I would estimate her age at about 22. Though sitting down, I was hopeful she would have a nice body as her face was gorgeous. Best I could tell this was her first time here.

Finally, MsBig Boobs came over again and would not leave and even though she was giving me a big thumbs up, I doubt I would need anyone's personal recommendation. My new friend said I will go with you now but only short term as she had early class. So we headed out. On my way to my apartment, she claimed to go to Mixx a lot and her LT price was $300 USD!! Whoa Nelly! I thought this could be great or a disaster.

Back at my apartment clearly not her first rodeo. No kissing really, But she was very receptive to DATY and prob had the wettest pussy I have encountered this winter. When I got up from my knees to get a condom, her juices were just dripping down her ass crack. Two orgasms by her before I even got in there, and then another once snugly inside. Afterward, my second round shares a nice shower with her and bid adieu. She gave me her Line # for when I return.

Ready for take off! Bangkok, I miss it already.

Ah, bitter sweet moment here. Great report, as always, but it is your last for a while. Such is life, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1888268]she claimed to go to Mixx a lot and her LT price was $300 USD!! Whoa Nelly! I thought this could be great or a disaster.[/QUOTE]So is this what you ended up paying? Not judging, but I'm curious whether it was worth that amount. I wonder what 10,000 baht pussy tastes like. . .

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1888268]Anyone with info on Oslo, Helsinki, Tallinn, St. Pete, Berlin, or Barcelona please let me know. [/QUOTE]Berlin and Barcelona are, obviously, super monger locations. Especially Berlin, I love that city for mongering options. Artemis is great (though posters on the FKK ISG thread are mixed on Artemis, I love it), Kamilla La Dee, and my personal favorite is Royal. Have not been there since 2013, but it's certainly a super city. I'll keep an eye out for your posts in that thread then.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1888268]Ready for take off! Bangkok, I miss it already.[/QUOTE]Adieu, sir, until your next visit to the beauties of this fair city.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1888268]At airport and ready for departure to Europe. Anyone with info on Oslo, Helsinki, Tallinn, St. Pete, Berlin, or Barcelona please let me know. With the exception of the last two cities, I think Mr. Happy will be getting a long deserved rest.
.[/QUOTE]St Petersburg is awesome. I have used rusdosug website and mamba for incall. Everything appeared cheap because I came from Helsinki.

I was able to score freebie as well, got lucky with a drunk babe.

A few days ago I was for an overnight stay in Bangkok before travelling on to Hua Hin.

Before going back to my hotel near the Hua Lampong train station, I made a quick visit to Soi Cowboy. There were a lot of girls on the street in front of their clubs, but not so much men. I guess it must be the low season.

I went inside to Sizie Wong for the 10 PM shows and I was surprised to note that for the very first time, I did not see anyone I would like to barfine. The whole atmosphere was somehow feeling depressed. Anyhow, I did not plan to barfine someone tonight so it was no big deal.

When you book for 2 hrs at a massage parlor does that mean 2 pops cause its only like 200 bhat more?

No, I did not pay that or anywhere near. That was, she told me, what's she asks for and apparently gets at Mixx for long term.

I would never pay that amount under any circumstances!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1888340]Ah, bitter sweet moment here. Great report, as always, but it is your last for a while. Such is life, I suppose.

So is this what you ended up paying? Not judging, but I'm curious whether it was worth that amount. I wonder what 10,000 baht pussy tastes like. . .

Berlin and Barcelona are, obviously, super monger locations. Especially Berlin, I love that city for mongering options. Artemis is great (though posters on the FKK ISG thread are mixed on Artemis, I love it), Kamilla La Dee, and my personal favorite is Royal. Have not been there since 2013, but it's certainly a super city. I'll keep an eye out for your posts in that thread then.

Adieu, sir, until your next visit to the beauties of this fair city.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sum12;1888425]When you book for 2 hrs at a massage parlor does that mean 2 pops cause its only like 200 bhat more?[/QUOTE]It depends on whether it is a PSE oily parlor or not. As a general rule you get as many pops as you want in two hours if you go to Tulip, Mango, Snow White, Cherry, Candy's, Bamboo, Bongkot, or the new Snow White offshoot very near Tulip of which I don't remember the name (have I left any out? There may be the occasional exception but in general that is what you get.

You sometimes can get two pops at some of the other oily massage places, and even at some soapies, but that would depend on the girl and at those places it is best to negotiate this in advance. In many cases though you might not get this if you go to places other than the PSE places mentioned above.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1887551]Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Love Teen Massage is considered a PSE shop. I'm not suggesting it never happens at Cherry, Bamboo, or Tulip, but it seems somewhat unlikely to me that some of one's worst experiences from a service standpoint would be at places like Cherry, Bamboo, Tulip, Mango, or Snow White, which are all considered PSE shops. The service at these shops does vary from girl to girl in a way that wasn't the case just a few years ago, but nonetheless the service levels on average are significantly higher IMHO than at regular soapies, go-gos and non-PSE oilies.[/QUOTE]Love Teen Massage had a menu citing a BBBJ Session. I asked the mamasan if any of the girls finish their BBBJ with CIM (I used the full words, "Cum in Mouth" so as not to be misunderstood). She chuckled and said "All of them do, that is standard here." Except for the girl I chose for the BBBJ session as it turned out (with the mamasan's approval, of course, because she was such a popular girl and all that crap). The girl informed me within 1 minute of our closing the door behind us in the VIP Room that she would NOT be taking any Cum In HER Mouth now or ever. I said no problem I'll just tell the mamasan she is mistaken about "All" of her girls providing that service, whereupon the girl lept in front of the door to prevent me from leaving the room, clutched at my hand and begged me to please, please, please not tell the mamasan that because she will get into trouble and she has babies to feed. Bad scene. Not exactly the fun night I had planned for myself.

The Tulip girl assured me she delivered a terrific BBBJ CIM and since I had read so many glowing reviews of Tulip over the years, especially stuff about the girls being "trained" to do their job well and with a high level of no hassle reliability or some such nonsense, I foolishly believed her and most of what I'd read online about that place. But at crunch time, I got the head turn, the cum dodge and she lamely finished me with her hand only. That, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is a Handjob, not a Blowjob. And it wasn't even a good one at that. It is certainly nothing remotely close to a BBBJ CIM.

Both the highly touted Cherry girl and the Bamboo girl (Boss Massage, too, forgot about that one), were so godawful at their job despite my repeated, calm but assertive instructions to please go slowly and not be so rough with my package that I aborted the mission 15 minutes in and left while the outer layer of skin on my dick was still intact.

This was all within the past 2-3 years.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1888268]
Ready for take off! Bangkok, I miss it already.[/QUOTE]It looks like you ended your trip on a real high note Tomasb!

Your China doll sounds intriguing. A real diamond at BB. I will definitely be giving that place another look next trip.

Thanks so much for your reports. I will miss reading about your adventures.

Have a great trip up north. The weather here is now fantastic and I hope you have some success in Tallinn and St Pete.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

My fucking clock in the room is on manila time? So I rushed down to cowboy one hour early at 21:00, place was DEAD. Only in suzywong did I see a clock and understood my mistake. That huge clock by the bar is something others should take after. I left after one drink to resume at 22. Went to CH and it was packed with salarymen downstairs, upstairs had only fugglies but one of them had the hugest (for natural) cow udders that I just had to molest. Spent 30 minutes doing that and suddenly they started promoting a show. Didn't know they had one, the udders saw some fat dude she had history with so I spanked her on the butt and told her to go with the flow, I had already informed I wasn't going to BF. Holding a girl hostage because you bought a few drinks is reprehensible IMHO.

The show was sleezy in all the right ways. Some slag shot darts so hard from her puki that they embedded in the false ceiling. One lady went overboard with the fire show and now we all know why she has short hair. There was a white girl in a couple in there and alternating with watching the show and her was a delight. Puki on fire and then the razor blades was awesome. I did not mind "missing" the show at suzy. Spent a shitload in drinks, when your drinks are 170 and the lady drinks are the same, on a drinking night I just hand them out for those who deserve them.

Otherwise, "kiss" should just go chapter 11 and close down. The girls where super shy and almost died when showing some granny panties. My one GT was 200 b, I dare not think what a LD is there. For 200 b drinks I better see uterus on stage. Cowboy 2 was ok, I was pulled in so I just used the facilities and left, no tits but the place looked ok.

Baccara was the crown, the door guy did some wavy hand thing in my face but I just ignored and went in. The DJ knows what he is doing and the girls are fine. Spent some time there creeping at the ceiling. Did not BF as my ham yai was having issues after a 2 pop session with pocki (pooki?) at snow white. Sweet issan lady but crazy and talked to her self, like all the good providers from there. Some ladies clearly wanted to go but I was too wasted and would have spent too long doing nasty things so I refused. Nana never even crossed my mind this trip. To many fatties (and fucking dicks) on "wechat" trying to lure me there. Even fatties in their 40's try for 2500 b these days and won't budge from 2000. That's just all kinds of fucked up.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1889007]

The show was sleezy in all the right ways. Some slag shot darts so hard from her puki that they embedded in the false ceiling. One lady went overboard with the fire show and now we all know why she has short hair. There was a white girl in a couple in there and alternating with watching the show and her was a delight. Puki on fire and then the razor blades was awesome.
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The girls where super shy and almost died when showing some granny panties.
For 200 b drinks I better see uterus on stage. [/QUOTE]LOL I've never seen a puzzy show but I'll live happily by your description!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1888502]

Both the highly touted Cherry girl and the Bamboo girl (Boss Massage, too, forgot about that one), were so godawful at their job despite my repeated, calm but assertive instructions to please go slowly and not be so rough with my package that I aborted the mission 15 minutes in and left while the outer layer of skin on my dick was still intact.

This was all within the past 2-3 years.[/QUOTE]Most girls in my experience in Thailand do not learn well from a customer instruction. If their normal pace is fast and powerful, there seem to be few that can change to soft and slow motion. They just don't understand even if you show them how slow. I get used to relatively few girls being able to it right for me. Amazingly a 19 year old with big high tits caught on immediately recently. I was stumned to say the least.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1889007]My fucking clock in the room is on manila time? So I rushed down tone hour early at 21:00, place was DEAD. [/QUOTE]9 pm is perfect time for CH. Not dead at all.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1889041]9 pm is perfect time for CH. Not dead at all.[/QUOTE]Indeed! I'm sorry if I was unclear. I went to CH "for one drink" and ended up staying 2 hours.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1889039]Most girls in my experience in Thailand do not learn well from a customer instruction. If their normal pace is fast and powerful, there seem to be few that can change to soft and slow motion. They just don't understand even if you show them how slow. I get used to relatively few girls being able to it right for me. Amazingly a 19 year old with big high tits caught on immediately recently. I was stumned to say the least.[/QUOTE]My dating site and regular non-pro pick up girls of late have turned out to be much better in the bed, including oral skills, than the newer P4 P girls I've had lately. Surprising.

Or maybe not so surprising. I believe a lot of P4 P girls go about it on auto pilot and are simply not even tuning in to what farangs are saying to them, the worst among them on that point in my experience being massage shop girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1889041]9 pm is perfect time for CH. Not dead at all.[/QUOTE]Was at Crazy House last night between 12-1:30 AM. The place was packed and there were still a fair number of hot girls there. It must really be good earlier. I drank with #26 who is attractive but not quite a top tier girl. Perhaps Syzgies or someone else knows her. She asked for B3000 short time. I usually pay B2000 or B2500 for ST. I was tempted by her but realized she was too drunk.

I did notice a number of girls getting drinks and rushing off to dance. It happened to me with one girl but I wasn't bothered as the chemistry was bad. I also got the feeling a number of the prettier girls were not interested in barfining unless Mr. Right came along. All in all Crazy House was interesting and I'll visit during prime time, but it isn't a place I love.

[QUOTE=Allover;1889166]Was at Crazy House last night between 12-1:30 AM. The place was packed and there were still a fair number of hot girls there. It must really be good earlier. I drank with #26 who is attractive but not quite a top tier girl. Perhaps Syzgies or someone else knows her. She asked for B3000 short time. I usually pay B2000 or B2500 for ST. I was tempted by her but realized she was too drunk.

I did notice a number of girls getting drinks and rushing off to dance. It happened to me with one girl but I wasn't bothered as the chemistry was bad. I also got the feeling a number of the prettier girls were not interested in barfining unless Mr. Right came along. All in all Crazy House was interesting and I'll visit during prime time, but it isn't a place I love.[/QUOTE]No I can't recall who is No. 26 right now. Not one of my favourites. Its possible I have met her. I am not that good with numbers. I do know 21 (favorite) and 28. Some girls improve when just a little bit tipsy to get rid of shyness. Overs can be horrible when drunk. So I think you made the right decision. I would not pay 3 K either very late for a drunk girl. Certainly not many are really worth 3 K.

You don't know CH at all if have not been there say on Friday between 9 PM and 10 PM. Some girls already BFed before 9 PM, can happen but hot girls still just arriving. Most of the very early girls are not the pretty ones. Most left over late are also not the very pretty ones unless they returned from a ST booking.

Remember that I get thoroughly put off girls that may have a great body, but spoiled by a not so great nose job or boob job, so I hardly pay attention to those at all. When I see plastic looking noses, my brain screams "alien" at me, not human. I know this is a bit warped, but I cannot view these girls as pretty. I started coming to Thailand almost 25 years ago when few nose jobs and tit jobs were around. Never got used to them. I do not need big tits with strange shape or tall noses. Natural big tits can be nice for a change when not too saggy.

Human perception is an exquisite marvel. I'm no expert, but it amazes me how integrated and interwoven all our senses are. When you hear someone laugh, you feel warmth flow through your veins, even if you did not hear the joke. When you smell a delicious food from your childhood, you remember Mom. When you see someone die, you feel a cold, wintry shudder through your body. When you orgasm, fireworks flash in your peripheral vision. It's weird. It's all interconnected in our heads. Vision to smell; smell to touch; taste to vision, etc. I guess that's what makes life the intense, complex pleasure that it is. To hone my point just a little, [B] music[/B] is often the linchpin connecting our various senses. Google "music and memory" and you will find a substantial body of scientific inquiry into the role music plays in retaining, entrenching, re-shaping, and [B]resurfacing[/B] old memories.

Where am I going with this? Well, a few weeks ago I decided to fuck-off from work in the middle of the morning. I went home and started tooling around with some old stuff in the back of my closet, and I came across an old box which I had not opened in a couple of years. In it, I found a whole wealth of forgotten stuff. One of the items in there was an SD card. My first thought. . . Porn?

So I popped it into my computer, found a box of tissues and dropped my pants. What I found, though, was better than porn: a couple of hundred mp3 files. I put on my headphones, cranked up the volume and opened up the first one in the list and *BOOM* I was suddenly no longer at the desk in my living room, but transported three years and six thousand miles away.

I was suddenly pounding the dusty pavement of Soi 11. It was 5:30 pm, I had just gotten off work and was weaving my way back up Soi 11 to my hotel. The air was predictably hot and humid, I could smell the mix of raw sewage and lemongrass, and I was surrounded by the loud cacophony of motocys speeding past me. I could taste the guava bought from one of those fruit stands, and could feel the gentle bulge of mini-Kumbu in my pants, anticipating the exertions of the evening.

You see, when last I was in the beautiful city of Bangkok, it was a pretty wild time. It was three years ago and I was there for both work and pleasure. During the day, I was working like a dog, from 7:30 am to 5 pm, non-stop. I was surrounded by tight-skirted, well-legged, bouncy little things that got my motor running with their cunning side-ways glances, well-timed twirls of the hair and constant and adorable "chay kaaaa". By 5 pm, my balls would be swollen like a couple of over-ripe mangoes (perhaps more accurately, rambutans). After saying goodbye to my adoring office girls, I'the take the Skytrain to Nana station, push through the throngs of gawking Arab shoppers at the base of that staircase, turn the corner and take the 10 minute walk up Soi 11 to my hotel. Because of said cacophony, I'd put my earphones in, music on, and I'D walk to the beat of whatever was playing.

The best songs had a hard beat that matched my foot speed perfectly. There was something about the synchrony between foot-pound and ear-drum-pound that both soothed and energized me at the same time: Boom- (step) -Boom- (step) -Boom- (step), etc. This happened every afternoon, without fail, which is why it is so indelibly marked in my memory. Moreover, I think the anticipation of what lay ahead in the night heightened my sense of arousal, and that mix of dopamine and music combined into a permanent mental tapestry, one that might be triggered by any associated stimulus, such as the mp3 file I had opened up.

As chronicled here, in the venerable pages of ISG, the night time three years ago was reserved for a different kind of strain. Did I type "strain"? Oh, I meant fucking and sucking like a monkey on LSD. Bangkok is one of the few places where the sheer volume of options for debauchery is simply breathtaking. As you all know, the opportunities (if you have some money, patience and an ego-adjusted attitude) are endless. For any male with functioning boy-parts, getting a trip to Bangkok is like getting the golden ticket to Willy Wonka's Fucking Factory.

So listening to that song that day brought up the memories of Soi 11. It was very disorienting, since the sensations of humidity on my skin were palpable, the semi-erection was real, the taste of guava was actual. That mp3-induced hallucination was so real and so jarring. It was not flimsy or ephemeral like your standard hallucination, but more like an actual reliving of the emotions of that time three years ago. And yet I was just sitting in my living room listening to a song on my computer, with my pants still around my ankles. On that day I resolved that I would find a way to get back to Willy Wonka's Fucking Factory. So this is my way of saying, hey, after three years of living the straight and narrow, living within the confines of the tenements of my mind, it looks like I'll be back in BKK next week for some proper LSD-fueled-primate activity.

[B]Standard Disclaimer[/B]

If you've read this far, your face is either besmiled or bescowled. That's because (based on past responses to my posts) you either love the way I write or you hate the way I write. The happy campers are my pleasure, so I have no worries there. But to the angry readers of ISG, let me say that I mean no ill-will. This is just how I write. People get angry at my posts because (I) they think I am self-congratulatory, pompous, bragging, egotistical, (see all that precedes in this very post), or (II) I include far too much detail, or (III) my approach to mongering is far too touchy-feely. I'm not a man's man when it comes to dominating a woman, nor do I take charge or negotiate hard. I don't high-five after "tapping that", I don't care for the rough stuff. In fact, it's safe to say that my status as Champion Softie on ISG is confirmed, and utterly unchallenged.

Much of this criticism is warranted, and I daresay deserved (not so much (I), more so (II-III)). But there's nothing I can do about any of this. I can't promise you the brevity that you desire, nor a change in who I am, nor a change in how I conduct myself. But I do promise you honesty and detail. If that's not your cup of tea, may I suggest the Ignore list on the left side of my profile page or on the left side of your own Settings page. But if you ARE up for a cuppa, then put on your reading glasses and sit back my friends, for I have some tales to tell.

(look for report 1 on Tuesday or Wednesday local BKK time).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1889134]My dating site and regular non-pro pick up girls of late have turned out to be much better in the bed, including oral skills, than the newer P4 P girls I've had lately. Surprising.

Or maybe not so surprising. I believe a lot of P4 P girls go about it on auto pilot and are simply not even tuning in to what farangs are saying to them, the worst among them on that point in my experience being massage shop girls.[/QUOTE]Honestly the few regular / non-pay girls I rarely (as I am married) manage to pick up online provide a better sex by far than most P4P girls. Or maybe simply a girl who is into kissing me, into sucking me as much as I want to do to her just make me feel better overall even if nothing particularly special happens. (along with the fact that I love a girl who gets wet / exited for real).

I think we see the world in some ways, similarly. However. I am, in some ways, softer than you, but that may be because I am now quite a bit older than you.

You are right about music and the senses. In fact, it might be that music resonates and interacts with a human at the cellular and DNA level in sound waves which carry energy (like light) at specific frequencies. And in a dance club, I often feel that I am able to actively tap into the wave energy, of all the people there, at a macro level. Yeah, I have zero problem with people, calling BS on that! So, for me the experience in a dance club, or at a music concert, can be uplifting, in terms of the 'collective' generating and boosting the resonating frequencies at the celular level for me. And, I think maybe for others, if one is mentally free and actively tapping into it.

So, I think what you are saying in terms of the human body, the senses, or sensory inputs wrt to music is quite intuitive. And of course, that elevation to a higher level of sensory pleasure spilleth over to sex urges and sex stimuli, raising things a notch or two. It's all interrelated. Interconnected. And consciousness working in a holistic way, IMO.

Hi all,

I am planning to return to Bangkok soon and am wondering about Anne at L. Can anyone provide more info on her services upstairs? I have tried her downstairs in the cubicle and it was fantastic, I must say. But she was not in the mood for FS.

Thanks.

Thanks for the good news Kumbu! It's like hearing that your favorite TV program is back on the air and will have its seasn premiere!

So looking forward to Tuesday / Wednesday! I think it will make my week.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

P.S.: I expect there will be plenty of references to "leg meat" and much butt sniffing and munching. 555.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1889571]
If you've read this far, your face is either besmiled or bescowled. That's because (based on past responses to my posts) you either love the way I write or you hate the way I write. [/QUOTE]Bescowled? Definitely not.

There are other categories. I am happy if others are entertained. I did not read this far personally. Could not be bothered or had no time and just skimmed till this phrase popped up. I only look for useful girl intelligence or data, so I am firmly in the ambivalent category. Why would anyone need to hate your stuff? Either readers are very interested, not interested or somewhere in between.

Those that get pleasure only from shit dumping, have to be rather sick individuals. Those types make me "bescowled".

Hey Fellas,

This is a veeerrrryyyy long and overdue report. I had a decent time in Pattaya before I headed to BK. It was a Friday night and I started out on Soi Cowboy, only because I didn't get a good feel the last time I was here. I started in Baccara because I assumed it would be just as good as the one in Pattaya. However, I was dead wrong. This place was packed to the brim with both customers and girls. They wouldn't even let you in unless you bought a drink, which is complete garbage. The stage had so many girls that it just looked like a crowded nightclub on stage. They were all shy and I couldn't tell them apart, none were particularly attractive. There wasn't a single seat in the place. I did a big loop around and got the hell out of there. There were some hot girls standing outside to bait / lure the people in, it's the opposite strategy than pattaya (best girls inside, worst girls advertise outside). I headed out and went to suzie wong's. Not as packed, but the talent here wasn't any good either. I stayed for a bit and waited for the next rotation. Nothing good enough to convince me to stay. I wanted to try one more place, and that was Lighthouse. Pretty much the same thing. One of the punters says to me: "did you come for the girls, or do the girls come for you?" Suggesting that either the talent isn't on par for me, or that I'm too handsome haha.

Soi cowboy ended up being a pretty big disappointment, the entire place is now a touristing zoo, with East Asians coming (and bringing their families for God's sake!) to gawk at the entire spectacle.

So I head over to nana plaza, where I had great luck last time. I head into angel witch, and the mamasan remembers me from last year. I asked if the same girl from last year still worked here, surprising she did but wasn't working this night. Too bad. I stayed for a bit and chatted up the mamasan, there were a decent amount of good looking girls, but none had "the look" I was going for. Generally, most thai go-go girls have the same 5 "looks", most of you veterans know what I'm talking about. I wanted something "different", but that may be hard to find in this business. I told the mamasan I would come back later if I can't find what I was looking for.

I go to r & b bar, used to be known as Rainbow 4. Same thing as last time, huge selection, a handful are within my parameters. But no one really sticks out for me. I head over to Rainbow 3, nothing much here and move on. It was getting late, and all of the prime girls were getting snatched up. I started to head over to erotica, but right when I was about to walk in, I saw a ladyboy working in there (not the good kind, the really butch ones that haven't gone through any surgery yet), but due to a potential "incident" (you can read about this in my previous posts) with me in pattaya, I didn't want to take any chances and asked the doorman if they have ladyboys working the stage. He says no, I point to the waitstaff, who then gets mad because (s) he heard me, and yells back angrily: "AM I DANCING ON STAGE?" the door man holds the person back and I walk away. I'm not going to financially or morally support any go-gos that hire ladyboys anymore. I used to be ok with it until that may have bit me in the butt just days before.

I head over to suckers, it's super late, the entire plaza is getting quiet and empty. The mamasan and papasan remembers me from last time and gives me attention. Most of the girls in the place take notice, try to get my attention, and flirt with me from a distance. There were 3 pretty good looking girls in the place, and now I'm starting to think with my head. Then this gorgeous girl gets on stage and shows me her assets. Fantastic big perky breasts (fake), a nice rounded meaty butt (surprising for asia), and a face and look I have not seen in Thailand before. I get her over and start chatting her up. Her name is Yoyo, 20, half thai / half chinese. This girl looks exactly like every photoshopped East Asian woman but without the photoshop, the real deal. I would describe her look as a K-pop star. I had to have her. However, the only downside was that she sounds like every single ladyboy I've ever heard. She was too beautiful to not be one. I checked her ID to make sure. Unfortunately, I've only brought enough money for a few more drinks, cab fare back to my hotel, short time hotel upstairs, barfine and short time with a girl. She wouldn't budge on her price, wanted 3000 for short time (she knows she's hot and that's her market price, and doesn't offer any additional services except for DFK). I only had enough for 2500 short time. I saw another hot girl, her name is Ami. However, she was pretty jealous and angry that I asked if she would offer me short time for 2500 when yoyo wanted 3000. I told her, if I had 3000, I would get yoyo! Ami told me that yoyos been with 5 guys already today, like that's going to stop me? This jealousy wasn't attractive. When I want something, I want it badly. I told yoyo I'm coming back for her, but I needed to go back to my hotel to get the money. Traffic was hell at this hour, and after a 30 minute round trip ride, I come back to suckers. Unfortunately, yoyo was gone, and I was crushed! They weren't sure when she would be back, and Ami was mad at me for picking yoyo over her. I head to angel witch to try and salvage whatever I could, but the place had 2 girls. Damn, I head back to suckers and try to make it up to Ami, but to my luck, yoyo is back!

I pay and head up to the short time hotel. We shower together and start the business. Start with some long awaited DFK, throw her on the bed and start dining at the Ymca. Told her I want some tasty pad thai, and she was delicious. She later flips over and gives me both holes to eat. I go from V to A and A to V like I was licking a plate clean from a mouth-watering meal! She turns over and says: "my turn to eat", my goodness this girl is driving me wild. She does BBBJ, and I bring up that she said she doesn't offer it. Her reply: "I can't remember what I offer haha" and goes to town on me with a warm and wet mouth. After awhile, I had to have her. She gets on top and Asian cowgirl for a bit, but I'm never happy with how girls do this position, I like to be in command and take charge. I flip her on her back and into my favorite position, missionary. I drill her like I'm searching for oil, and she has a big smile the entire time. I shove my tongue down her throat and dfk hard during this whole time. She laughs and remembers I just ate her ass (you god damn right I did!) I'm pounding her so hard, it feels like I'm trying to make fire on our crotches. When I was ready to blow my load, I pull out, take the cover off, and wanted to splatter her face. Unfortunately, my shot wasn't strong enough to reach this time, instead I paint her neck, breasts, and stomach. We clean up. The entire plaza is shutting down, and she walks me to the cabs. We say our goodbyes, and she gives me her contact info for if I return, but she says she doesn't do long time. Oh well.

I've been following her on instagram, and I'm starting to see a trend with thai go-go girls. They're no longer poor rural girls trying to raise their kids and help out their families. Those days seem to be disappearing. This girl has some expensive tastes and habits, and working at go-gos helps to pay for it, I can imagine that's the new type of girl now. They're just waiting for a rich boyfriend or husband to come snatch them up.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1889827] I started in Baccara because I assumed it would be just as good as the one in Pattaya. However, I was dead wrong. This place was packed to the brim with both customers and girls. They wouldn't even let you in unless you bought a drink, which is complete garbage. The stage had so many girls that it just looked like a crowded nightclub on stage. They were all shy and I couldn't tell them apart, none were particularly attractive. There wasn't a single seat in the place. I did a big loop around and got the hell out of there. There were some hot girls standing outside to bait / lure the people in, it's the opposite strategy than pattaya (best girls inside, worst girls advertise outside). I headed out and went to suzie wong's. Not as packed, but the talent here wasn't any good either. I stayed for a bit and waited for the next rotation. Nothing good enough to convince me to stay. I wanted to try one more place, and that was Lighthouse. Pretty much the same thing. One of the punters says to me: "did you come for the girls, or do the girls come for you?" Suggesting that either the talent isn't on par for me, or that I'm too handsome haha.

It was getting late, and all of the prime girls were getting snatched up. I started to head over to erotica, but right when I was about to walk in, I saw a ladyboy working in there (not the good kind, the really butch ones that haven't gone through any surgery yet), but due to a potential "incident" (you can read about this in my previous posts) with me in pattaya, I didn't want to take any chances and asked the doorman if they have ladyboys working the stage. He says no, I point to the waitstaff, who then gets mad because (s) he heard me, and yells back angrily: "AM I DANCING ON STAGE?" the door man holds the person back and I walk away. I'm not going to financially or morally support any go-gos that hire ladyboys anymore. I used to be ok with it until that may have bit me in the butt just days before.

I head over to suckers, it's super late, the entire plaza is getting quiet and empty. The mamasan and papasan remembers me from last time and gives me attention. Most of the girls in the place take notice, try to get my attention, and flirt with me from a distance. There were 3 pretty good looking girls in the place, and now I'm starting to think with my head. Then this gorgeous girl gets on stage and shows me her assets. Fantastic big perky breasts (fake), a nice rounded meaty butt (surprising for asia), and a face and look I have not seen in Thailand before.[/QUOTE]Clearly we don't all have the same tastes.

The out front of Baccara are not doing it for me at all. They are not that specially pretty. A bit old if anything. I have looked over them only many times recently, without going inside. In fact there are only a very very few stunning front of house girls on the whole street. Recent very pretty girls that drew my gaze were in front of Sahara and Toy Bar, one other bar, one each. Probably just bait though.

It is normal for lady boys to have normal jobs. You don't need to cause a stir just because you detected one in the non dancing staff. That is real common. Crazy House is full of LB waitresses. You were not getting conned in any way. When people are clothed, it does not matter what their genitalia are. None of our business. Makes you appear bigotted, even if you are not, by having a bad reaction to any person in a category. I don't know how you got bitten previously, but get over it, and don't take it out on the others. Sure I don't want to fuck with a LB either, but some of them can be very nice as a person. In the world we have to live with lots of people that are different in one way or another.

One day I thought a large western customer in the bar was a Tomboy flirting with the dancers. Latter found out it was a ladyboy. No big deal. Just unusual.

I went to Suckers only because one of my tall light skinned pretty girl regulars from Crazy House, Oom, moved there. I was not impressed by the line up particularly due to the fake tits and obvious fake noses on so many girls. Some non fake girls not so specially pretty either. However each to their own taste.

I suggest guys try Billboard in Nana or Crazy House in Cowboy if prefer a larger percentage of more natural girls. However for sure they have some gay and LB staff, amongst the non-dancers.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1889827]
I head over to suckers
Happy hunting![/QUOTE]I took a quick glance inside Suckers and thought I saw some lady boy dancers. I could be wrong. Lady boys are more accepted in Thailand then they would be in the west. Get used to it. However I do agree I don't like seeing them mixed with real girls as dancers.

This is my first trip in several years. I actually thought Nana had better girls than soi cowboy. Crazy house is an exception. I saw a lot of beautiful girls there and I never arrived before 11 pm. I also had something very interesting happen there. I bought a drink for Nok, no. 124. She was almost a perfect 10 in my eyes. She was a little thick around the hips (only a little) but other than that she was an incredible beauty. I bought her a drink and we chatted for awhile. I didn't buy her a second drink or talk about a barfine and I really should have. She went to the toilet and never returned. She did something that I thought was especially sweet. She sent another waitress over to me just to thank me for buying her the drink. I looked across the bar and there she was in street clothes already being bar fined by another customer. I've never been dumped in a more pleasant manner before. I gave her a thumbs up as she left the bar with her customer. I hope it was one of you guys. It was my last night in town otherwise I would go back for her if she would go with me. Syzgies please have a look at her sometime and tell me if she is your type.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1889827]I've been following her on instagram, and I'm starting to see a trend with thai go-go girls. They're no longer poor rural girls trying to raise their kids and help out their families. Those days seem to be disappearing. This girl has some expensive tastes and habits, and working at go-gos helps to pay for it, I can imagine that's the new type of girl now. They're just waiting for a rich boyfriend or husband to come snatch them up.
Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Unfortunately you are correct and this is one of the main reasons it's just not so fun anymore. Also as Elh has stated, the gals want more for less. IMHO Thai gals have never been that fantastic or adventuresome in bed, but when you were paying the equivalent of 25 USD for an ST; who cares? The sheer numbers back in the day was also a selling point. For what ends up being over 100 USD when all is said and done; I expect more not less. Sadly I believe the attitude here both in P4 P and with regular gals has become quite conservative. Good girls don't is the rule. 5 years ago it seemed the mores were loosening up here. Now they have made an about face. Sex is something that poor gals enjoy. If you are well off, it's a chore. And they all want to appear to be well off. Dress sexy, but with nothing to back it up. Yet, in the P4 P scene dudes keep coming and paying more and more.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1889861]Clearly we don't all have the same tastes.

The out front of Baccara are not doing it for me at all. They are not that specially pretty. A bit old if anything. I have looked over them only many times recently, without going inside. In fact there are only a very very few stunning front of house girls on the whole street. Recent very pretty girls that drew my gaze were in front of Sahara and Toy Bar, one other bar, one each. Probably just bait though.

It is normal for lady boys to have normal jobs. You don't need to cause a stir just because you detected one in the non dancing staff. That is real common. Crazy House is full of LB waitresses. You were not getting conned in any way. When people are clothed, it does not matter what their genitalia are. None of our business. Makes you appear bigotted, even if you are not, by having a bad reaction to any person in a category. I don't know how you got bitten previously, but get over it, and don't take it out on the others. Sure I don't want to fuck with a LB either, but some of them can be very nice as a person. In the world we have to live with lots of people that are different in one way or another.

One day I thought a large western customer in the bar was a Tomboy flirting with the dancers. Latter found out it was a ladyboy. No big deal. Just unusual.

I went to Suckers only because one of my tall light skinned pretty girl regulars from Crazy House, Oom, moved there. I was not impressed by the line up particularly due to the fake tits and obvious fake noses on so many girls. Some non fake girls not so specially pretty either. However each to their own taste.

I suggest guys try Billboard in Nana or Crazy House in Cowboy if prefer a larger percentage of more natural girls. However for sure they have some gay and LB staff, amongst the non-dancers.[/QUOTE]

How do our tastes differ so much? I did mention that many times there wasn't a great selection at most of the places I went to right? Do keep in mind, this is an old report, I went at peak tourist season (especially for east asians in February), so the selection should be better.

I am bigoted, against Ladyboys. But that's my prerogative, and I can do as I please. It's not like I go and stir sh!tt up or say or do anything awful to them. I just won't be a patron to these establishments. I used to be tolerant, until that tolerance may have gotten me conned. Now I avoid these places TOTALLY. But I'm only speaking from a mongering standpoint. I still go to regular businesses, where I can't be sexually tricked.

[QUOTE=Allover;1890087]I took a quick glance inside Suckers and thought I saw some lady boy dancers. I could be wrong. Lady boys are more accepted in Thailand then they would be in the west. Get used to it. However I do agree I don't like seeing them mixed with real girls as dancers.

This is my first trip in several years. I actually thought Nana had better girls than soi cowboy. Crazy house is an exception. I saw a lot of beautiful girls there and I never arrived before 11 pm. I also had something very interesting happen there. I bought a drink for Nok, no. 124. She was almost a perfect 10 in my eyes. She was a little thick around the hips (only a little) but other than that she was an incredible beauty. I bought her a drink and we chatted for awhile. I didn't buy her a second drink or talk about a barfine and I really should have. She went to the toilet and never returned. She did something that I thought was especially sweet. She sent another waitress over to me just to thank me for buying her the drink. I looked across the bar and there she was in street clothes already being bar fined by another customer. I've never been dumped in a more pleasant manner before. I gave her a thumbs up as she left the bar with her customer. I hope it was one of you guys. It was my last night in town otherwise I would go back for her if she would go with me. Syzgies please have a look at her sometime and tell me if she is your type.[/QUOTE]They definitely don't mix at Suckers. But one of the mamasans is a drag queen, and the papasan is totally gay.

Don't worry about the girl, it's a business to them. The faster they can close the deal, the faster they can come back and get another barfine. I've had quite a few girls willing to ditch their current customer to go back with me, which I feel is wrong, but it's their choice at the end of the day right? It's a Seller's market right now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1890118]For what ends up being over 100 USD when all is said and done; I expect more not less. Sadly I believe the attitude here both in P4 P and with regular gals has become quite conservative. Good girls don't is the rule. 5 years ago it seemed the mores were loosening up here. Now they have made an about face. Sex is something that poor gals enjoy. If you are well off, it's a chore. And they all want to appear to be well off. Dress sexy, but with nothing to back it up. Yet, in the P4 P scene dudes keep coming and paying more and more.[/QUOTE]Right on the money as always you are. But, to place things in perspective, couldn't be that part of the problem is with ourselves the ones which are not spring chickens anymore? Both physically and mentally we do not have the same thrust and handsomeness of (many?) years ago. Certainly I'd loved if the 3 K "hot-at-first-look" girl of of yesterday had walked out of my room like John Wayne after a 10 hours horseride, but that's not exactly what happened. Must get a better drug next time, the locally made shit only made my cock to swell and p-issing painful.

Can we get a like button on the site? I do like your style of writing Kumbu.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1890280]Right on the money as always you are. But, to place things in perspective, couldn't be that part of the problem is with ourselves the ones which are not spring chickens anymore? Both physically and mentally we do not have the same thrust and handsomeness of (many?) years ago. Certainly I'd loved if the 3 K "hot-at-first-look" girl of of yesterday had walked out of my room like John Wayne after a 10 hours horseride, but that's not exactly what happened. Must get a better drug next time, the locally made shit only made my cock to swell and p-issing painful.[/QUOTE]ONG, One of the things that attracted me to Thailand back in '99 was that the old dudes, (50's and 60's), had the hottest gals. Of course this was because most were on fat expat packages or had quite a bit to retire early. Now there are still a lot of retired guys with means but many of the gals will eschew us for a mid 20's something young urban douchebag without a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in or a window to throw it out of. I am almost 51, still in great shape, and can perform the same as I did at 30, but the cult of youth has infected Thai women, even the P4 P women.

I was in Pattaya this weekend. Let me preface this by saying that up until about 8 or so years ago I was there at least 3 nights a month and loved it. Low season was amazing. It was a skeleton crew of mongers and lots of gals. This weekend was a meh at best. Gogos filled with clueless Asian guys willing to shell out way too much money on plastic surgery disasters. Discos playing horrid music filled with Western YUDs (see above) and Middle Easterners who puff up and bump into you, and sadly gals who are attracted to such. Soi 6 has turned into a street of loud obnoxious bars as opposed to the nice quite brothels that used to be the rule of the day. Red Point seems to be the only establishment that stays with the old formula. The only saving grace was Kinnaree, which I must say has to be one of the best spots I have every been in. A true brothel, with decent prices on alcohol and women. What a wonderful formula and at the right price. We have The Den in BKK but it is double the price. If we had a Kinnaree here, they would have my business.

All in all though the development has ruined Pattaya for me. What was once solely the domain of mongers and P4 P gals has become a really cheap beach holiday destination for some of the most undesirable demographic elements on the planet.

So no, it ain't us. It's just changed.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1890332]
I was in Pattaya this weekend. Let me preface this by saying that up until about 8 or so years ago I was there at least 3 nights a month and loved it. Low season was amazing. It was a skeleton crew of mongers and lots of gals. This weekend was a meh at best. Gogos filled with clueless Asian guys willing to shell out way too much money on plastic surgery disasters. Discos playing horrid music filled with Western YUDs (see above) and Middle Easterners who puff up and bump into you, and sadly gals who are attracted to such. Soi 6 has turned into a street of loud obnoxious bars as opposed to the nice quite brothels that used to be the rule of the day. Red Point seems to be the only establishment that stays with the old formula. The only saving grace was Kinnaree, which I must say has to be one of the best spots I have every been in. A true brothel, with decent prices on alcohol and women. What a wonderful formula and at the right price. We have The Den in BKK but it is double the price. If we had a Kinnaree here, they would have my business.

All in all though the development has ruined Pattaya for me. What was once solely the domain of mongers and P4 P gals has become a really cheap beach holiday destination for some of the most undesirable demographic elements on the planet.

So no, it ain't us. It's just changed.[/QUOTE]Can't agree more with you, especially about soi6 that is a big disappointment for me, I loved this soi before found many 3 holer and had so many great session, 3 some, 4 some, ecc. Now is sadness walking up and down the soi looking to all this lazy girls just sit on the stool, chatting with their smarphone and just looking more for drinks than for ST.

Around the city have many place similar to Kinnaree, good formula with right price for girl, drink and ladydrink, the problem is the very low quality of the girls in this afternoon clubs.

Shall be in Bangkok next week. What are the prices like at The Den? Have looked online but no result.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1890343]Around the city have many place similar to Kinnaree, good formula with right price for girl, drink and ladydrink, the problem is the very low quality of the girls in this afternoon clubs.[/QUOTE]You've been going to Thailand much longer than I have so curious which places have prettier girls than Kinnaree Place. I personally like a few of the Kinnaree girls but always looking to upgrade.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1890332]Red Point seems to be the only establishment that stays with the old formula. The only saving grace was Kinnaree, which I must say has to be one of the best spots I have every been in. A true brothel, with decent prices on alcohol and women. What a wonderful formula and at the right price. We have The Den in BKK but it is double the price. If we had a Kinnaree here, they would have my business.[/QUOTE]

We seem to enjoy the same places. Red Point is my favorite Soi 6 bar and I enjoy Kinnaree a lot since it's akin to the Germany FKK clubs. Even at twice the price I will definitely check out The Den in BKK. Are the girls as pretty as Kinnaree?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1890379]You've been going to Thailand much longer than I have so curious which places have prettier girls than Kinnaree Place. I personally like a few of the Kinnaree girls but always looking to upgrade.[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstand me, I mean that Pattaya have many clubs like Kinnaree but the quality of the girls is lower than Kinnaree.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1889827]

I pay and head up to the short time hotel. We shower together and start the business. Start with some long awaited DFK, throw her on the bed and start dining at the Ymca. Told her I want some tasty pad thai, and she was delicious. She later flips over and gives me both holes to eat. I go from V to A and A to V like I was licking a plate clean from a mouth-watering meal! She turns over and says: "my turn to eat", my goodness this girl is driving me wild. She does BBBJ, and I bring up that she said she doesn't offer it. Her reply: "I can't remember what I offer haha" and goes to town on me with a warm and wet mouth. After awhile, I had to have her. She gets on top and Asian cowgirl for a bit, but I'm never happy with how girls do this position, I like to be in command and take charge. I flip her on her back and into my favorite position, missionary. I drill her like I'm searching for oil, and she has a big smile the entire time. I shove my tongue down her throat and dfk hard during this whole time. She laughs and remembers I just ate her ass (you god damn right I did!) I'm pounding her so hard, it feels like I'm trying to make fire on our crotches. When I was ready to blow my load, I pull out, take the cover off, and wanted to splatter her face.[/QUOTE]Is this yoyo by any chance?

[QUOTE=Markly2;1890350]Shall be in Bangkok next week. What are the prices like at The Den? Have looked online but no result.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Girls are wanting 2 k at least.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1890379]You've been going to Thailand much longer than I have so curious which places have prettier girls than Kinnaree Place. I personally like a few of the Kinnaree girls but always looking to upgrade.



We seem to enjoy the same places. Red Point is my favorite Soi 6 bar and I enjoy Kinnaree a lot since it's akin to the Germany FKK clubs. Even at twice the price I will definitely check out The Den in BKK. Are the girls as pretty as Kinnaree?[/QUOTE]Nope, not as pretty as Kinnaree in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1890475]Nope, not as pretty as Kinnaree in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Yes Kinnaree is class apartment.

[QUOTE=Markly2;1890350]Shall be in Bangkok next week. What are the prices like at The Den? Have looked online but no result.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Price Is 2000 to 5000 bhat negotiations required.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1890401]Is this yoyo by any chance?[/QUOTE]Thats her.

This is a continuation of my reports on a recent trip to Manila and Bangkok. Days 1-5 are in the Manila forum.

My morning flight from Manila to Bangkok with Philippines airlines was uneventful.

Checked in to the Grand Sukhumvit hotel and went for a walk. Ended up at DrBJ's Nuru and had a lovely session with Nok (number 30). The whole oily massage thing, which I love, followed by BBBJ and an oily HJ to completion. 2000 for the hour plus 240 for his and hers drinks and welcome to Bangkok.

In the evening I did a whistle stop your if the Gogos. Not planning to barfine so I didn't stay anywhere for long. I started too early. Nana was dead before 8. 30 and Soi Cowboy was only just livening up when I got there by tuktuk. No sign of a blowjob as reported at Afterskool but maybe I was too early. The shows definitely are better at Suzie Wongs. Total nudity, girl-girl licking etc. And the whole 'guess what's hidden inside my vagina' routine. I watched for a while and enjoyed the show. About 10.30 I decided to call it a night, so walked back to the hotel via Som's Haven where I enjoyed a goodnight blowjob. 700 plus 300 tip and a couple of drinks. And Som herself was at the bar so I met a celebrity.

A morning of sightseeing. Grand palace and canal boat ride. Then back to the hotel. I'd been chatting on wechat with several likely candidates and struck gold with Maynie. 35 but a thin unspoiled body and gorgeous face. 1500 for everything except anal. Started with a brief massage and quickly moved to DFK and then a long round of BBBJ and 69. Put the cap on for some cowgirl and various other positions, then I went down and ate her until she came. (I supply my own edible lube). Back for some more BBBJ and ended with CIM. Time for a nap after all that!

Decided to spend the evening at Magic Table. Great decision. Four lovelies on duty, dancing on the mirrored tables that left nothing to the imagination. One was nothing special, but the other three I classified as sweet, gorgeous and slutty. After a first look I adjourned to the outside for another beer and to watch the world go past. Suddenly excitement. The cops were in the process of raiding and closing Dr BJ Nuru across the road. Sweet came and sat with me and explained that everyone was worried what was happening, and pretty soon all four girls were sitting out the front in their street clothes trying to look innocent. LOL. I bought a couple of rounds of drinks and chatted with the girls while we watched the excitement. Needless to say there were hardly any punters in the street and the ones that did come past quickly moved on. We played some pool (1-1 with slutty, and I thrashed Sweet) and just hung out. After a couple of hours most of the cops left except the ones sitting outside the closed shop, and some customers started to reappear. That's when things go a bit freaky. Because we had been chatting outside, sweet, slutty and gorgeous were all over me. There were some other customers (including a group of 5 Japanese girls -wtf?) but these three were all with me. Sweet turned out to be a bit shy about flashing her bits (again, wtf? But gorgeous and slutty were only taking my fingers out of their pussies to put my tongue in! Slutty even took off her top, much to mamasan's disapproval (a third time wtf? No panties is ok but bare boobs not allowed? I had originally intended to do the VIP blowjob thing but matters had proceeded beyond that, 3200 was the price for taking them both to the room upstairs, and mamasan calculated my total bill at 5400. I was expecting it to be more, so I happily agreed. In the room it was a total PSE with the two girls fucking and sucking away and me just loving every minute. Slutty came three times. Twice on my tongue and once riding my cock. Gorgeous turned out to be not so responsive, but she did end up with a mouthful at the end of the evening so we were all happy in the end.

Back to Nama for a couple of wind down beers and there was some excitement there too. About 11 pm there were police everywhere and the Nama hotel car park was suddenly empty. I had had enough excitement for one night so I went back to the hotel and slept the sleep of the just.

Sightseeing again in the morning. Jim Thompson house with an easy trip there and back by skytrain. Then back to Bamboo for a delightful session with Ranya. One hour with A+. What a sweetie. Smiling and sexy from start to finish.

Soi Cowboy in the evening, and the one that got away. At Jungle Jim's a gorgeous young girl dancing naked on the stage was blowing kisses at me, and after her set came over (wearing just a g-string) for a drink and a cuddle. I should have taken her home and I am sure I would have had a great night. But it was my last night and I really wanted a BJ in the naughty boy corner at Afterskool. So several drinks and visits to bars later that is where I ended up. Somehow I got talking to a nice young thing and the mamasan, and mamasan was flashing her boobs at me and putting my hand up her skirt, and suddenly I was in the naughty boy corner with mamasan. And the other girl. Oy vey! They both went down on me and did their best, but somehow it was not quite as I had imagined and they did not succeed in bringing matters to a conclusion. Still, they gave it a good try and it was certainly an extraordinary experience. The other girls and even the girl I was with seemed to be amazed t the way mama was acting. What a night!

Day 9 and my last day in Bangkok. A BJ bar with a name beginning with L and consistng of a word that ISG does not allow ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]) was just around the corner from my hotel so I picked the two prettiest in their lineup and took them both upstairs for a short time session. 3400 Baht.

And then I collapsed onto the plane and flew home.

Plus 500 for the room and the obligatory drinks. Figure 3000 all in.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1890474]Girls are wanting 2 k at least.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Markly2;1890350]Shall be in Bangkok next week. What are the prices like at The Den? Have looked online but no result.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I think 2 k Bht or 3 k Baht for st in a room they have on the house. Can be 2 pops as well if you click with the lady but mostly it is 2 k one pop you come back relax and again have another sweetie.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1890575]Plus 500 for the room and the obligatory drinks. Figure 3000 all in.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's getting close to 100 USD for a ST. Sorry just not worth it to me. At Kinnaree it's half that. More than enough for a ST. And if you go on Wed, Sat, or Sun you can end up getting a couple of drinks, a lady drink, a buffet, and a sesh including room for about 1600 Baht. And his BBQ ribs are outstanding.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1889827] Told her I want some tasty pad thai, and she was delicious. She later flips over and gives me both holes to eat. I go from V to A and A to V like I was licking a plate clean from a mouth-watering meal! She turns over and says: "my turn to eat", my goodness this girl is driving me wild. She does BBBJ, and I bring up that she said she doesn't offer it. Her reply: "I can't remember what I offer haha" and goes to town on me with a warm and wet mouth. After awhile, I had to have her. She gets on top and Asian cowgirl for a bit, but I'm never happy with how girls do this position, I like to be in command and take charge. I flip her on her back and into my favorite position, missionary. I drill her like I'm searching for oil, and she has a big smile the entire time. I shove my tongue down her throat and dfk hard during this whole time. She laughs and remembers I just ate her ass (you god damn right I did!) I'm pounding her so hard, it feels like I'm trying to make fire on our crotches. When I was ready to blow my load, I pull out, take the cover off, and wanted to splatter her face. Unfortunately, my shot wasn't strong enough to reach this time, instead I paint her neck, breasts, and stomach. We clean up. The entire plaza is shutting down, and she walks me to the cabs. We say our goodbyes, and she gives me her contact info for if I return, but she says she doesn't do long time. Oh well.

I've been following her on instagram, and I'm starting to see a trend with thai go-go girls. They're no longer poor rural girls trying to raise their kids and help out their families. Those days seem to be disappearing. This girl has some expensive tastes and habits, and working at go-gos helps to pay for it, I can imagine that's the new type of girl now. They're just waiting for a rich boyfriend or husband to come snatch them up.

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]I am sure her pussy and ass tasted delicious. That must be your first time a man's ass and man made pussy. Did you not notice something odd about her pussy?

Her name was Flotty, previous worked at erotica and before she had the chop she was working at cockatoo in Soi cowboy. She had been passing herself as a girl for the past year and half or so.

Warning: no sex in this report. This is everything that happened before I found my one true chum. My next report will detail this beauty for you. And this report is long, I know, but in it I provide details about my arrival, my jump from Soi Cowboy to Bangkok Beat and then to Climax, where it all came to a delightful end.

* * * * *.

Earlier this year, David Bowie passed away (obligatory bowing of heads). It didn't affect me the way it affected some of my friends. He wasn't any kind of hero for me, so I didn't get all soppy or anything. But I'd be lying if I said his death had no impact on me. After all, his music was indeed formative. Everyone remembers the more pop-like songs of his, you know, Let's Dance, Modern Love, etc. But when I heard of his death in January, the one song that seeped out of the dank, pungent recesses of my mind was not something from my childhood, but his most recent song, Lazarus. The opening sax, the mesmerizing bass throughout, the classic Bowie vocals, gradually increasing in intensity and tone, all culminating in the near-scream crescendo of his lyrics. And the lyrics, oh boy.

"I'm so high it makes my brain whirl". Need I say more?

Last night was the quintessential Lazarus night for me, described in ball-crunching detail over the next three posts (the usual disclaimers apply). Three years of sexual soliloquy lead up to last night, and it started with a smooth sax, with a palpable bass pulsing behind my eyes throughout the night. It grew in intensity, gradually getting more and more fervent, all culminating in the near-scream freedom of the bluebird. Ain't that just like me?

My flight arrived late, and therefore smack in the middle of crush-hour at arrivals. The masses were determined to slow Kumbu's fluid movement through immigration, seemingly trying their best to constipate the already slow bowels of the Suvarnabhumi arrivals hall. Peristalsis had given way to a kind of bludgeoning movement of a massive constriction, the kind that in this metaphor, would literally rip you a new one. But thankfully I escaped through the customs sphincter and speed-walked like an Olympian down to the taxi stand. In moments, we were whizzing into the Bangkok night, the air thick with humidity and erectile anticipation.

My taxi driver was a gentle, sweet elderly man. He had a goatee, a buzz-cut haircut that had grown slightly long, and thick glasses, lending him the appearance of an old Shaolin master. He spoke with a definite sense of wisdom, and he gently chatted to me the whole way. His tone was almost a murmur, and his speech had a cadence about it that began to mesmerize and relax me. I began to fall asleep in the back of that taxi, and I just could not shake the sleeps. In fact, somewhere after the second toll booth but before we exited the freeway I nodded off, and when I awoke, I nearly screamed with fear that I would not be able to muster the energy to make this night what it needed to be. I cannot allow myself to succumb to the alluring enticements of sleep, not tonight. Before those thoughts could settle, we were at the hotel.

I checked into S Sukhumvit Suites (thoughts on this establishment will appear in the Bangkok Hotels thread upon my departure), did the necessary ablutions and hit the pavement. Fortunately, I had roughly 10,000 baht from the last time I was here. Every time I leave BKK, I deliberately hold on to that amount, knowing that when I return, it will be late at night and the fever to get down to business will be all-consuming. Having that cash in-hand is mighty helpful.

It was just past midnight. Too early for Climax / Mixx, a tad late for Thermae, but perhaps ok timing for Bangkok Beat. But I was in Asoke, and Soi Cowboy was literally 100 paces to my left, so I thought I'd spend an hour or so being the gawker brown-boy at Baccara. I thought I might be able to lay the ground work for a future pull from one of these establishments, since I had no intention to go the gogo route tonight.

As I approach the Baccara curtain and the goon standing guard, I felt trepidation fill my gut. The guy was not looking at me, but as I approached, he spookily lifted his meaty left arm high above his head, like an executioner lifts the ax before the drop to the neck, and his right arm opened in my direction, warding me into the mystery that lay behind the curtain. I was expecting him to stop me, ensconcing me with the meat of his arms, in order to pay the drink fee before entry. But no, he ushered me in, unscathed.

As soon as I got in, I knew why there was no entry fee. There were loads of empty seats, and about 7 girls on stage. The guys were a mix of ethnicities and ages, some looking utterly disinterested, and others looking like this was their first prom and their date was about to offer a hand job (read: high school giddy). But the girls, oh my, the girls, they were a sour bunch. They barely shuffling their feet not even the standard gogo-girl shuffle that I have come to carry affection for. No, they were twiddling their toes a little, kicking a knee out once in a while, all the while chatting amongst themselves. I'm quite sure that if cell phones were allowed on stage they would each be tapping away in solitary bemusement.

And if you put this behavior aside, the girls were nothing to write home about. There was not a good pair of legs between the 7 of them. In LOS, what are the chances of THAT?! Here, if you spit you are likely to hit a set of phenomenal legs, but somehow Baccara had managed to make the lower floor an exception to the rule. As soon as I sat down, I scanned the leg portion of my field of view, and I knew this was a mistake. Not having been asked for a drink, I upped and scampered upstairs.

Upstairs, things were a little better. The first thing I saw was several pairs of really bad boob jobs. Ay, a couple of them looked awfully painful (see below for more on this), and I tried my best to avert my gaze. So I sat, ordered my Singha, and opened The Gaze of Kumbu.

[B]The Gaze of Kumbu[/B]

Once my drink arrived, I closed my eyes, took a deep breath, and held it for a moment. I meditated there, in full view of the girls, for a full 2 minutes, gathering my wits. Gogo selection is as much art as it is science, but in the end, it requires some mental acumen and the ability to keep your wits in the midst of great pressure. Given that my mind had not endured this pressure for near 3 years, my agility and reactions to such pressures had wilted, nay atrophied, and they needed to be gently warmed, toned and brought back to full strength.

I opened my eyes, emotionless and not expecting anything. This was the gaze of an analytic machine (or so I told myself). I started on one end of the floor and methodically assessed each potential. I looked at face first, legs second, ass third, overall proportions fourth, and then the peripherals (hair, boobs, etc.). I did a binary categorization on the first pass: yay or nay? Crucial in this process is to deal with the inquiring glances in the correct manner.

When the girl looks at you, you need to react immediately in the correct manner. It's really hard, and something I always feel I flub to some degree or the other. So the girl looks at you, and you need to figure out whether to meet that gaze or not. If you do so for less than some threshold of time (say, 500 milliseconds), then you have indicated a lack of interest, and she will take it as such, with no offense. If you hold the gaze for a certain length of time, say 800-1350 milliseconds, then this indicates some interest, and she will check back in a few moments for corroboration. And of course, if you hold gaze for a lengthy period of time (1500 milliseconds), then this is an invitation for her to smile, or do the drink-to-mouth action, and then you have a decision to make.

But here's the problem: while doing the Gaze of Kumbu, and as you scan the room, you randomly meet gaze with girls all the time. That's what humans do: we seek out eye contact. And so what to do when you meet gaze with some random girl? If you've had the opportunity to caste the Gaze of Kumbu, then no problem, you have her all categorized, and you can set the length of eye contact down to the millisecond, and all goes smoothly.

But what if you have not had the chance to calculate her Kumbu-worthiness? And you meet her eye gaze? And you have to make that flash decision on whether to hold eye gaze or to break it off immediately. Oh, the travails of mongerdom, how will I cope?

So I met the gaze of this girl in exactly this way: by random chance. She had two mammoth artificial mounds on her chest. It looked like she had pulled up to an Arco full service gas station, Cletus, the attendant, pulled out a hose and pumped a random amount of some random organic polymeric material into a random spot on her front side. And then did it again in a second spot, and then momentarily passed out while filling the second, resulting in the very obvious and very sad imbalance in the breasts. Add to that, Cletus had not even tried to hide the scar, which was emblazoned across her entire chest as if to say: "yeah, that's right motherfucker".

To my utter horror, I realized that as I had been working that image in and out of my mind, my eyes had been in constant contact with her eyes for well over 3 seconds now. Ugh. It had been so long that her lips had spread to reveal the most snazzy, metal-filled mouth I have seen in years. And as she smiled, yet another polymeric substance in her nose was pushed upwards, distorting her nose into a shark-fin of sorts. Ugh. And she was now working her hands to indicate 'buy me drink kaa?' 'buy me drink kaa?' 'buy me drink kaa?

Ordinarily, I will bite the bullet and buy the drink. No harm in having some polite conversation, and I think of it as good karma. You give something to the well of forgotten souls, and something will always come back. But tonight, I could not do that. I was tired, I was sleepy, and I needed to get my dirty on. So I did the unthinkable in Kumbu land: I shook my head and moved on (gasps of shock). It sounds like I am ragging on this poor girl, and I am. But that is what happened, and I have to say, it's a fairly common kind of occurrence at gogo bars.

On went the Gaze of Kumbu, and at the end of this process, I did spy two very do-able spinner jobs. One of them had one heck of a cute face, with a slightly stocky body type. But she was too busy dancing 6 inches from the mirror to notice me. Meanwhile, another girl who was with a Japanese dude kept looking over to me, and from what my leg-sensor could tell me, even from the vantage point I was in, she had a set of legs well worthy of prime Kumbu time. So I met her gaze several times, and after a while, she walked over to me.

Her name is Plaa, #23, and yes, a super set of thick, shapely legs. Perhaps a tad thick, even for old Kumbu, but very, very nice indeed. Her ass was large, and as far as I could guess, probably slightly on the soft, squishy side. But me likey some squishy bum-bum, so no problem for me. But the killer, sadly, was her face. How do I put this without sounding mean? Ah, yes: she was ugly. She too had major iron works in her mouth (did Baccara get a group discount from some two-bit dental hustler? But that wasn't the problem. It was, well, her face. It was just, well, ugly. I really can't find another way to put it, sadly. But here's the hilarious thing about how our opening conversation went:

#23: Hello kaa, where you flom?

K: America.

#23: Hmm? Amelikaa, you no look like Amelikaa.

K: . . .

#23: you buy me dink kaa?

K: sure.

(drink gets ordered, arrives, she sips it, there goes 200 baht).

#23: how long you stay Thailaaand?

K: About a month (I lied, yeah).

#23: bisi-ness?

K: Yes, business.

(pregnant pause).

K: (blurting) you're very pretty.

#23: I know!

So three things. Why did I say she is very pretty? What kind of dumb move was that? (1) Every horny man says that. You're better than that Kumbu, you're better than that. (2) She was plainly NOT pretty, why would I feel the need to lie like that? Ugh. (3) How could she say 'I know! Very odd.

So anyway, the next thing she says is that she is very popular with the men from the land of the rising sun, and I said:

K: check bin!

Damage: 180 (my drink) + 200 (LD) + 20 (tip), total=400 baht.

As I left, the mirror-girl was casting her gaze my way. I stopped on my way out, smiled at her, and walked out. I'll be back, Pretentious Pudgy Girl, oh yes, I will be back.

Next post: Bangkok Beat.

Next to Next Post: Climax.

This is the second of a three-part series of posts. No sex here, just thoughts about Bangkok Beat.

* * * * *.

We all know what beer goggles are, but in our chosen way of life (mongering is indeed a way of life, not a fucking hobby), we need a term that more accurately describes the situation where pure horniness impedes our ability to make rational decisions. Let's call that Cum Goggles. This is not the fetish of ejaculating on some bespectacled lass, no, though that does sound neat. Rather, this is where you take the easy way out by picking up a willing and available girl who [B] clearly[/B] does not meet your standards. And you do this all just to get your nut off, that's it. For me, this is the worst way to end a night. I spend the time and effort to sift through all the sand on the beach not so I can go home with a piece of gravel. I want that fucking cowrie, goddamit, I want the cowrie. Having a chunk of rock in my pocket might make me feel like I found something, but it's not what I went looking for. But after looking through enough piles of sand, desperation to feel that comforting lump of something in your pocket overwhelms you, and you just succumb to fatigue and desperation and take the gravel home. So no, the Cum Goggles are not my friend.

1 am, Monday night, just got off the plane from Amelikaa, been to Soi Cowboy and trotting towards lower Suk. Time to check out Bangkok Beat. The weather was the epitome of symmetry: temperature was 88 degrees, with roughly 88% humidity, and that's the kind of symmetry I could do without. So I took a taxi down, the ride being a full 3 minutes and costing 40 baht (well worth it). Bangkok Beat is in soi 7, the soi where Subway and Vasu Money Exchange sit, so it is easy to spot. As soon as you turn into the soi, you see it on your right.

As I entered, there were five girls standing by the doors, and this small, tight little girl opened the door for me. Thank you very much. But there was a second set of doors inside there, identical to the first set, and no one to open the door for me. So I opened the door, but such was it's heft, and such is the wispiness of Kumbu's frame, that I staggered and stumbled through the door. So let me get this straight. The 4'10" girl opened the first set of doors with adroit strength, and I can't even manage to pull the door halfway open without stumbling and groaning? Yeah, that's right. So this is how I entered Bangkok Beat: stumbling uncontrollably into the middle of the club. Welcome Kumbu.

First impression: the place is very. . . Woody. There is a lot of wood everywhere, which perhaps looked nice a few years ago, but it looks aged and slightly run down, IMHO. There is an upstairs and a downstairs, but there were plenty of tables available downstairs. I walked slowly through the people all the way to the bar, and then found a table in the corner, pretty far away from everyone. That is, there were several empty tables between me and everyone else (such was the emptiness of the place, at 1 am, mind you). My beer arrived and I started the Gaze of Kumbu. As I did this, I counted three Kumbu-worthy prospects. Everyone else was below my standards, or with some farang. There were plenty of farang around too, just sitting there with their apparent Thai GFs, all looking bored.

I sat there, far away from everyone, very obviously aloof from the crowd, for a good 10 minutes. Meanwhile, the girls were scoping me out. I was the fresh meat. I was dressed *much* better than anyone else there. Everyone there was wearing t-shirts, or drabby short-sleeve collared shirts, many had flip-flops on, many had shabby shorts. I'm not dissing anyone there, but there was a definite dress difference between me and the others, and that's because I had obviously over-dressed for BB. This was quite unintended, since I have never been to BB before and so did not know what the norms for dress are. I was not trying to be pretentious, it just happened by mistake!

But this worked *really* well with the girls. Not only was I fresh meat, I was well-dressed fresh meat. Plus my apparent age was probably a good 10 years below the median age in that joint. I am in my mid-forties (probably median age, I think), but I pass for a mid-thirties kind of guy (not sure how long that will last, though). Anyway, in all, I'm not trying to brag, but descriptively speaking, I think I was a catch in there, at least on that night.

The three prospects I had identified had all started making moves, but the distance between me and them was really hard for them to navigate. They couldn't just walk over: that would be waaay too obvious. So there had to be some distance-courting, which was fine by me. It gave me an envelope of safety, at least temporarily. One girl was giving me the regular head-turn. The second girl got up off her stool and started to grove, showing off some undulations that were indeed appreciated. And the third girl walked past me to the dance floor, and then started some sexy-dancing by herself, giving off the occasional longing glances to me.

But none of them were spectacular to me. They each had long pants on, two of them had non-conforming pants, and so I could not tell what their lower bodies were like. Their faces were all really wonderful, but hey, I'm not here for a beautiful face alone. I want the whole deal: face, legs, ass, boobs, todos. I want the Prix Fixe, but if I have to order a la carte, then it will be legs with a side of ass. Face optional, and boobs only if they are complementary. So I decided to not lead these innocent creatures on any further and I bailed. See, Cum Goggles were tempting me, and truth be told, I am sure I would have had a decent time with any one of those three girls, but I would always have felt that I settled. And in retrospect, given what eventually happened, I am so very glad I did not put on that pair of Cum Goggles. As I walked out, I could feel their eyes on my back, but this is best for all.

In all, then, I think Bangkok Beat is not for me. I can see why some would like it. It is more casual, less mercenary, more relaxed. The band is pretty decent, and there is talent available there. My guess is that prices are decent in that place, and there is very little pretention on display. Bonus: mighty midget girls to open doors for you.

But on the negative side, there was not a whole lot of options for the average punter like me. Three girls? Nah, I need more options (remember, there were plenty of other girls, just not to my standards). Moreover, the quality of these three girls was not outstanding. Granted, this changes from day to day and time to time. But really, there are other places where you can get the talent, reliably, and with no more fuss than here at BB. To wit, Climax, in my next report. And hang in there friends, the dirty details are on their way.

Next Report: The culmination of a night that was well worth the effort.

I have to say that I agree with your assessment of BBeat. I have tried to emphasize in several reports that this joint is not for everybody. What it takes to thrive there is patience and consistency. Sometime during most evenings, a pretty hot girl or set of girls will stroll in. I never sit in one place but wander about to keep the fuglies off balance and they are hovering around generally every night.

When I see someone to my liking, I strike but in a subtle passive / agressive way so their fee does not go into auto escalate. But totally understand why fellow mongers might be askance at what they see.

As I have noted before, many of these girls join the great unwashed at some point in Climax. The talent there is appreciably better but so are the prices and then the overall ambience of the place is tough to take.

Look forward to your next report.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1890660]This is the second of a three-part series of posts. No sex here, just thoughts about Bangkok Beat.

* * * * *.

We all know what beer goggles are, but in our chosen way of life (mongering is indeed a way of life, not a fucking hobby), we need a term that more accurately describes the situation where pure horniness impedes our ability to make rational decisions. Let's call that Cum Goggles. This is not the fetish of ejaculating on some bespectacled lass, no, though that does sound neat. Rather, this is where you take the easy way out by picking up a willing and available girl who [B] clearly[/B] does not meet your standards. And you do this all just to get your nut off, that's it. For me, this is the worst way to end a night. I spend the time and effort to sift through all the sand on the beach not so I can go home with a piece of gravel. I want that fucking cowrie, goddamit, I want the cowrie. Having a chunk of rock in my pocket might make me feel like I found something, but it's not what I went looking for. But after looking through enough piles of sand, desperation to feel that comforting lump of something in your pocket overwhelms you, and you just succumb to fatigue and desperation and take the gravel home. So no, the Cum Goggles are not my friend.

1 am, Monday night, just got off the plane from Amelikaa, been to Soi Cowboy and trotting towards lower Suk. Time to check out Bangkok Beat. The weather was the epitome of symmetry: temperature was 88 degrees, with roughly 88% humidity, and that's the kind of symmetry I could do without. So I took a taxi down, the ride being a full 3 minutes and costing 40 baht (well worth it). Bangkok Beat is in soi 7, the soi where Subway and Vasu Money Exchange sit, so it is easy to spot. As soon as you turn into the soi, you see it on your right.

As I entered, there were five girls standing by the doors, and this small, tight little girl opened the door for me. Thank you very much. But there was a second set of doors inside there, identical to the first set, and no one to open the door for me. So I opened the door, but such was it's heft, and such is the wispiness of Kumbu's frame, that I staggered and stumbled through the door. So let me get this straight. The 4'10" girl opened the first set of doors with adroit strength, and I can't even manage to pull the door halfway open without stumbling and groaning? Yeah, that's right. So this is how I entered Bangkok Beat: stumbling uncontrollably into the middle of the club. Welcome Kumbu.

First impression: the place is very. . . Woody. There is a lot of wood everywhere, which perhaps looked nice a few years ago, but it looks aged and slightly run down, IMHO. There is an upstairs and a downstairs, but there were plenty of tables available downstairs. I walked slowly through the people all the way to the bar, and then found a table in the corner, pretty far away from everyone. That is, there were several empty tables between me and everyone else (such was the emptiness of the place, at 1 am, mind you). My beer arrived and I started the Gaze of Kumbu. As I did this, I counted three Kumbu-worthy prospects. Everyone else was below my standards, or with some farang. There were plenty of farang around too, just sitting there with their apparent Thai GFs, all looking bored.

I sat there, far away from everyone, very obviously aloof from the crowd, for a good 10 minutes. Meanwhile, the girls were scoping me out. I was the fresh meat. I was dressed *much* better than anyone else there. Everyone there was wearing t-shirts, or drabby short-sleeve collared shirts, many had flip-flops on, many had shabby shorts. I'm not dissing anyone there, but there was a definite dress difference between me and the others, and that's because I had obviously over-dressed for BB. This was quite unintended, since I have never been to BB before and so did not know what the norms for dress are. I was not trying to be pretentious, it just happened by mistake!

But this worked *really* well with the girls. Not only was I fresh meat, I was well-dressed fresh meat. Plus my apparent age was probably a good 10 years below the median age in that joint. I am in my mid-forties (probably median age, I think), but I pass for a mid-thirties kind of guy (not sure how long that will last, though). Anyway, in all, I'm not trying to brag, but descriptively speaking, I think I was a catch in there, at least on that night.

The three prospects I had identified had all started making moves, but the distance between me and them was really hard for them to navigate. They couldn't just walk over: that would be waaay too obvious. So there had to be some distance-courting, which was fine by me. It gave me an envelope of safety, at least temporarily. One girl was giving me the regular head-turn. The second girl got up off her stool and started to grove, showing off some undulations that were indeed appreciated. And the third girl walked past me to the dance floor, and then started some sexy-dancing by herself, giving off the occasional longing glances to me.

But none of them were spectacular to me. They each had long pants on, two of them had non-conforming pants, and so I could not tell what their lower bodies were like. Their faces were all really wonderful, but hey, I'm not here for a beautiful face alone. I want the whole deal: face, legs, ass, boobs, todos. I want the Prix Fixe, but if I have to order a la carte, then it will be legs with a side of ass. Face optional, and boobs only if they are complementary. So I decided to not lead these innocent creatures on any further and I bailed. See, Cum Goggles were tempting me, and truth be told, I am sure I would have had a decent time with any one of those three girls, but I would always have felt that I settled. And in retrospect, given what eventually happened, I am so very glad I did not put on that pair of Cum Goggles. As I walked out, I could feel their eyes on my back, but this is best for all.

In all, then, I think Bangkok Beat is not for me. I can see why some would like it. It is more casual, less mercenary, more relaxed. The band is pretty decent, and there is talent available there. My guess is that prices are decent in that place, and there is very little pretention on display. Bonus: mighty midget girls to open doors for you.

But on the negative side, there was not a whole lot of options for the average punter like me. Three girls? Nah, I need more options (remember, there were plenty of other girls, just not to my standards). Moreover, the quality of these three girls was not outstanding. Granted, this changes from day to day and time to time. But really, there are other places where you can get the talent, reliably, and with no more fuss than here at BB. To wit, Climax, in my next report. And hang in there friends, the dirty details are on their way.

Next Report: The culmination of a night that was well worth the effort.[/QUOTE]

Welcome back Lazarus man!

A fine beginning! Like the seed that has been collecting in your gonads these words have been percolating in your brain and now have bene unleashed onto our screens in a glorious stream of consciousness.

You seem to be in fine form and this give me joy. Your hiatus has only sharpened your wit and enhanced your artistry with the pen. You have me in rapture and you haven't even touched a girl yet.

I am so looking forward to following your adventures. I have a feeling this will be a trip for the ages.

Stay horny (and awake) my friend.

Uncle-V.

You are a fantastic writer! However, I believe you are wasting your time and money in BKK.

But, I did learn a few things about you.

1. The Kumbu gaze, and the Kumbu meditation in a Go Go bar!

2. The above is followed by a calculation of Kumbu- worthiness.

Looks like 1 and 2 added up to just a little more than zero, in BKK, so far.

Based on your reports I would highly recommend that you get your ass over to Pattaya.

Hey, but what do I know? You are a Thailand vet and a lot younger, and probably better looking than me as well (as are 80 PC of the guys LOL). So, the best of luck my man!

Boy, typing these reports up takes a bunch of time, and it is slower going than I expected. But I'm almost there. So just wanted to respond to a few of the comments here.

Tomasb: yes, you were indeed very careful to note that BB is not everyone's cup of tea. So I did not feel mislead by you in any way, and many of the things I experienced, I recognized them from your posts. So thanks for that honesty.

Uncle V, yes, so far in the public postings, you have not heard about any physical encounters. But trust me, they are coming. I can already tell you that there will be at least one [B]spectacular[/B] experience, and one terrible experience. It's all part of the gig.

Haven123, interesting point, that this is all a zero-sum game. I never thought of it that way, and you may be right. But in my next post, you will see that I do eventually end up on the winning side. I don't believe the Gaze of Kumbu has held me back so far. But you will see the details in my next post.

Finally, I doubt very much that my looks (which are not awesome, but decidedly average, to be honest) has much to do with my experiences here in LOS. A lot of it is how you carry yourself, how you behave, how you dress, how you smell, etc. That is, controllable factors, and not the uncontrollable quality of looks. Looks does have an impact, but these other factors can mitigate that impact, in either direction.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1890599]Yep, that's getting close to 100 USD for a ST. Sorry just not worth it to me. At Kinnaree it's half that. More than enough for a ST. And if you go on Wed, Sat, or Sun you can end up getting a couple of drinks, a lady drink, a buffet, and a sesh including room for about 1600 Baht. And his BBQ ribs are outstanding.[/QUOTE]Curious to know which Kinnaree you're referring to. I only know of the one in Pattaya. Is there another one in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1890867]Curious to know which Kinnaree you're referring to. I only know of the one in Pattaya. Is there another one in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Yes, the one in Pattaya. It was mentioned in this thread as comparison to The Den in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1890645]Warning: no sex in this report.

So three things. Why did I say she is very pretty? What kind of dumb move was that? (1) Every horny man says that. You're better than that Kumbu, you're better than that. (2) She was plainly NOT pretty, why would I feel the need to lie like that? Ugh. (3) How could she say 'I know! Very odd.

So anyway, the next thing she says is that she is very popular with the men from the land of the rising sun, and I said:

K: check bin!

Damage: 180 (my drink) + 200 (LD) + 20 (tip), total=400 baht.

As I left, the mirror-girl was casting her gaze my way. I stopped on my way out, smiled at her, and walked out. I'll be back, Pretentious Pudgy Girl, oh yes, I will be back.

Next post: Bangkok Beat.

Next to Next Post: Climax.[/QUOTE]Last point first. She was very pretty but just to someone else's taste. I am amazed how ugly are the girls selected by other customers.

For some guys young equals pretty, to orhers raunchyvequals pretty. Not many guys really care a lot about the face. LOL. Big tits will do.

I like like to check out girls for a long while before showing enthusiasm. So I don't catch her gaze if I can help it until I really decide I like her already.

These means keeping my eyes on the move if she is paying attention at all. Some girls are not paying any great attention so no problem there. So my look away does not show my lack of interest? Merely not ready to decide or take action. Once I decide, she will very soon know. I will give her the nod or even stand in front if her if needed to get her attention assuming she is not hooked up already.

I do believe its unwise to meet gaze of a girl too long if she is of no interest since she will come and hassle you shortly. I know how to look very distant and disinterested and ignore girls when necessary even when they try to get in my face. Not catching a girl's gaze is a very useful skill even if goes against your normal character.

We have to choose and not allow the girl to choose us. Take time and choose carefully is my way. Sometimes I do make mistakes and she does not seem so good at close range or vibe is not good. No harm done. She will have to dance again. I simply look for a better replacement.

Or as you did, if no girl is good enough, no harm in moving on.

Staff in bars love to suggest girls, but I have no interest. They don't know my spec.

Finally actual sex acts are nit that interesting. So no actual is no problem. The hunt and decision is always important.

I don't bullshit girls. I only give genuine praise. Better to say nothing than say she is pretty if you don't mean it. If a girl asks me directly, i ask another question rather than answer, like "why do you care what I like" or something equally tangential.

This review is from my around a month back trip to Thailand. I had visited Pattaya and Bangkok during that trip.

Nataree Soapy massage is on Ratchadapisek Road next to Emerald Hotel.

Reason for selecting Nataree was that as per reviews it had higher number of Thai gals than any of the other massage parlors. I visited Nataree on two different days and on both days there were around 40- 50 gals. Higher the no. Of gals means higher probability to find gal of your liking.

Day 1.

On Day 1 I had selected a gal from fish bowl. Fish bowl gals have lowest charges and are the oldest among the lot. The younger the gals higher will be there charges.

This gal was tall and she gave me a nice massage which included hand job and then we had a playful session. Fucked her in doggy, wot and missionary.

Between the massage and session we chatted and I learnt quite a few things about Thai people and Bangkok.

Over all good experience.

Charges for Fish bowl gals were around 2000 baht.

Day 2.

Day 2 gal was notorious. Her massage was OK but while fucking she was making funny sounds.

Over all it was an average experience. Charges for Day 2 girl was around 2400 baht.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1891227]For some guys young equals pretty, to orhers raunchyvequals pretty. Not many guys really care a lot about the face. LOL. Big tits will do.[/QUOTE]This is completely true, so true in fact, that watch out for my next-to-next post, in which I prove exactly this point, in spectacularly hypocritical style. It hurts me to admit this, but honesty stings sometimes. I'll try to post that sometime on Friday, if I can find some time in the day to write it up.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1891227]I don't bullshit girls. I only give genuine praise. Better to say nothing than say she is pretty if you don't mean it. If a girl asks me directly, i ask another question rather than answer, like "why do you care what I like" or something equally tangential.[/QUOTE]My point exactly. I did bullshit this girl, and it makes absolutely no sense. There is no upside to it, as far as I can tell, and it comes from (I think) just regular social instincts. I think such instincts need to be suspended in this cartoonish world of gogo girl interaction.

There is something existentially magnifying when one finds that perfect gem in the sea of cubic zirconia. You look and you look, and at some point you feel the tension between fatigue on the one hand, and bulging testicular demand on the other. Which wins out? Sometimes, the scrotal imperative wins out, but to devastating effects. That's when you bed the very wrong person, just so you can bed [B]someone[/B]. You are so desperate to fuck that you acquiesce to the first proposition and tell yourself that at least you will get to fuck tonight. I dubbed this Cum Goggles in my previous post, and I was determined not to succumb to this effect tonight. I would rather retire with a quick wrist-whack to little Kumbu than spend money, time and energy on the wrong person. Perhaps with the mellowing of age, I have become more willing to forego the less-than-perfect-fuck in favor of keeping my powder dry for the battle the next night. That's especially noteworthy, since this is my first night in BKK after three long years, remember.

But fear not. I found my diamond tonight, and oh what a spectacularly brilliant gem she is. Sheesh, little Kumbu is beginning to ooze just thinking about her. So let me tell you about her, shall I? I have subsectioned this so you can skip down to the dirty bits if you want, but I begin with the story of how it all went down in Climax.

[B]Finding my High Priestess[/B]
I walked from BB to Climax, the time being just before 1:30 am. As I walked, I got a butt-load of attention from the numerous SWs on Suk. There was one in particular who had the sweetest smile on all of Suk. She was shortish, but had superb legs on display. She was wearing a black knee-high dress, and she looked at me with a soft, inviting smile. I was seriously tempted, but decided not to in the end. For whatever reason, SWs make me a little nervous. I know this is irrational, but that's just me. But I tell you what, it kind of put me in my groove. All this attention was really doing it for me. Given the monastic vow of celibacy I have endured over the last three years, just a smile from a beautiful woman was getting my engine running.

For those that don't know Climax, it is in the Ambassador Hotel. You enter the hotel property, but rather than entering the building, you go down the ramp on the left side, into the un-posted garage. Hidden within the bowels of this old, run-down edifice is the Climax club. I paid 250 entry, and got hustled by the door-check girl (who wanted to give me a beer and get a tip). I remember her from 3 years ago I chewed her out then because she kept hassling me with her demands for free drinks (yah, right?) So I gave her the cold shoulder this time.

When I entered the club, it was the polar opposite to BB. This may sound trite, but I was reminded of the Simon and Garfunkel song: And in the naked light I saw, ten thousand people, maybe more; people talking without speaking, people hearing without listening.

I walked in with one heck of a smug smile on my face. Perhaps because of the attention I was getting on the way over to Climax, something within me changed, and I suddenly had some verve within me. I was feeling it, I had my Mac-Daddy vibe going on, and I could not contain it. I owned the room the second I entered, at least in my own mind. Again, I was relatively well dressed: my top-drawer white shirt (smart casual), brown smart slacks, quality shoes, plenty of gel in the hair, and oversized confidence on display. I walked in, stopped in some space next to the first pillar and looked at each and every girl in my vicinity. And guess what? They were all looking at me, smiling. I fuck you not: Climax was WORKING for me on Monday night.

Fuck, it was exhilarating. Having all these pliable women assessing me, smiling, working out how to get into my pants, and thereby my wallet, it was better than any narcotic imaginable. A wise man once said "Money is the World's Greatest Aphrodisiac. ".

I walked 5 steps forward and I felt a tug on my elbow, followed by a little, high-pitched 'oooy'. I look back and some face in the crowd is smiling at me. I walk on to the corner of the path before making a turn back towards to toilets, and as I walk through there, I get the same elbow-tug, this time from yet another girl. Fuck, I've never been this hot in Climax. It was like fishing in a lake full of hungry, gorgeous fish. You can pick whichever you want, but you only have one hook so you need to be careful not to pull the piddly half-pounder when you know there is a 75-pound marlin somewhere in there.

Let me say at this point that my description is not about bragging. I am not that much of a looker, in truth. I'm not ugly, but Brad Pitt I am not. Moreover, my age is definitely showing. My hair is thinning, my face is beginning to crack, etc. So my point in telling you about how hot I was in Climax is to convey to you something about Climax, not me. There were [B]tons[/B] of available, hungry girls there, in stark contrast to BB.

I got to the back and took the step up to that platform and as I turned the corner a girl with a red halter top (mmmmm, I love red halter tops, almost as much as I love teal halter tops) looks at me like 'look down sailor, my ass is beckoning'. So I did, and it did. Beckon that is. Shite, she had a pair of tight, tight jeans on that revealed a near-perfect bubble butt. In my mind, I put my fingers in my mouth and bit down hard. Ay-ya-yay. But I needed to be patient. I needed to make a full round before settling on anyone in particular.

As I proceeded, I stepped down off the platform making the turn back towards the front, and there in that corner (which, in case you are confused, is the right, back corner if you are standing at the front door looking towards the back of the club) was a gaggle of sumptuous beauties. Gaggle of beauties? Flock of beauties? Clutch of beauties? Crotch of beauties? Ball-sack of beauties? Whatever, there were six of them, all displaying leg meat designed to give Kumbu an erectile aneurism. And little Kumbu dutifully obliged: precum literally spurted out of the end of my dick when I saw the scene of twelve, beautiful, shapely, bare legs. Goddam, we have GOT to find a way to make such displays obligatory in every city, town and village in America. Ugh, America, that just killed the boner, right?

These six girls, atop twelve sumptuous legs, were all part of a group, and they were spectacular specimens. The pick of the bunch was wearing a skin-tight one-piece minidress. You know, the CFMD (Come Fuck Me Dress). It was black with horizontal neon yellow stripes. She had a face that glowed with sheer beauty. She had an ever-so-slight tummy (not pot belly, just a small bit of flesh, which is delicious in my view), and her legs were ga-ga-ga-DDAM. I stopped in my tracks, the left side of her lips lifted in the simulation of a smile, we held gaze for a moment or two, and then a crowd of ugly girls came between us, breaking the spell.

I continued my walk around, keeping in mind the red-halter-top and the CFMD. I saw at least a dozen more very, very fuckable ladies as I made my travels around the club, and so I knew tonight I would not be doing the wrist-whack. I decided to play it coy and let them come to me. Often, when the girl picks you, things turn out better. The worst thing you can do is force the issue with a girl, since you need her to want to go with you. No matter how hot you think she is, she needs to reciprocate to some degree. If you don't do it for her, you will still get to insert penis into vagina, but it won't be anything memorable. Whereas if she is into you, even slightly, things will be much better than abstract copulation.

So I went to the back of the club and stood there, pretend-listening to the music and checking my phone, as if I was waiting for a friend to join me, but he / she had not texted yet. Argh, why does Imaginary Friend always do that to me?

[B]Plumage Seen, Let the Mating Dance Begin[/B]
I was positioned equidistant between halter top to my right and CFMD to my left, and I could see both of them through my peripheral vision. Halter top had a friend (very, very hot too), and they were both looking over at me and talking intensely about me. And on my left, CFMD was standing there, looking over once in a while. Meanwhile, one of CFMD's friends had taken a liking to me, which is bad news. Often, the hotter of the chicks will defer to the less hot chick because less-hot-chick has such trouble getting her man. So it is cruel to take the guy who the ugly girl wants. I was hoping that this would not become a whole drama, where I had to somehow decline the offer of the ugly girl, since if that were to happen, there would be no chance of landing CFMD. The concept of face saving precludes the possibility of hot girl going with the man that jilts ugly friend. I hate this, but you can't argue with the laws of the jungle.

But while my mind was occupied with all of this, another girl (hitherto undetected by the Gaze of Kumbu) walked up to me, stood, 6 inches from me with her drink in front of her, and offered her drink for a quick clink with my Heineken. I looked at her face, which was kind of less-than-attractive (not ugly, but just odd), and through my peripheral vision, I *thought* I saw some really impressive legs and ass. It was hard to do looking right into her eyes, but that's what my Kumbu sense told me. Kumbu sense is usually a reliable old fucker, and I trusted him this time. So I clinked drinks, smiled broadly, and the girl giggles off to her group of friends (who all look over and giggle adorably). As clink-girl returns to her friends, my suspicion was confirmed: astounding ass detected. She was wearing a red blouse with black skin-tight jeans, but the jeans were so skin tight that I could see every curve down there. And the curves were pleasing. In fact, so pleasing were the curves, I would term them devastating. Devastatingly Curvy Girl (DCG).

Yes! That's three super-hot potentials already, within the first 10 minutes of coming into Climax, and moreover, one of those super-hot potentials (DCG) was working me. It's great to have three superlative options at hand, and even better to be pursued by one of them.

Meanwhile, red-halter top had been joined by a group of thuggish, balding mid-thirties white dudes. So I guess that was that. But CFMD was looking intently in my direction, wondering if clink-girl had just nipped in ahead of her and stolen this over-geled schmuck with a goofy grin away.

Five minutes pass, and then DCG walks stage-left with a frumpy friend of hers. Hmm, where are they off to? No idea. I wait a moment, and then decide to make my way around stage-right. As I walk, I can feel the piercing looks from all directions. The girls in the club sensed I was new, and they all wanted to get their meat hooks into me. Again, this is simply because I was the fresh meat, a newly available stream of income.

As I come to the front of the club, frumpy girl ambushes me and giggles "where you go? Why you see me walk this way and then you come the other way?" Ah, I see what you did there: you set the trap for me, then when I walked into it, you made it seem like I was the hunter. Touche, sweet, frumpy girl. 2 inches behind frumpy girl was DCG, standing off quietly. Frumpy girl had some big tits poking out of a push-up bra, and she was pushing them into my midsection as she interrogated me with the regular questions.

At first I thought this was a ploy to get me hooked up with DCG. Frumpy girl was acting like a wing girl, buttering me up, setting the stage to hand me off to DCG, but I quickly realized that she was making the play for herself. She was already making the ask, about buying her a drink etc. Whoa Nelly, hold up there, this stage coach ain't leaving town just yet.

So I maneuver my body around frumpy girl so I can saddle up to DCG and I start taking the questions from frumpy girl and answering them directly to DCG. I gave my attention to DCG, and smiled at her, and then I turned slightly and slowly and subtly nudged frumpy girl, inch by inch, off to the side while I asked DCG about the drink-clink maneuver she pulled earlier. Five minutes later and frumpy girl has walked off, to my delight, leaving me alone with DCG. We talked easily, fluidly for 5 minutes. The band started to play a song called 'Take it to your heart', which I vaguely recognized, and this becomes important in a moment.

So I pull out my phone and feign reading a text from Imaginary Friend and I said "Aaaw, too bad, my friend is not coming tonight. So I'm tired, maybe I'll just go back to my hotel room. ' And right on cue, the band singer breaks out of the song and changes the lyrics from 'Take me to your heart' to 'Take me to your hotel'! I fuck you not, that really happened, with perfect timing for me! I looked at her, she looked at me, and we both bust out laughing at the top of our lungs. It was great. In retrospect, now that I think about it, the girls probably know rotation of songs, and that particular trick by the band must be a regular, planned event. The girls probably time their attacks for the one or two songs that precede this song in the rotation, just so that line can have its intended effect. What a well-planned attack that was.

The rest is history: I winked at her, she winked at me, and without a word she leads the way out the door. No mention of ST / LT bullshit or money or particular sex acts, just buzzing, thrilling sexual attraction. Fuck, this is going to be good.

We take a taxi back to Asoke, and the whole way we are talking. The talking is [B]easy[/B] there is no tension between us, the jokes flow, the teasing ensues, she reveals bits and pieces about herself, and it is really working. In other words, we have genuine chemistry, the import of which I cannot stress enough. Fuck, this is going to be good.

[B]Unveiling the Beauty[/B]
We get into the room at around 1:50 am, and rather than sprinting for the shower, she sits down and we talk. And talk. And talk. All fully clothed, mind you, but we just talk and joke for a good 15 minutes. She gradually starts to creep toward the shower, and as such, she gradually starts to take bits and pieces of clothing off. As they come off, I am keeping my eye contact with her, but my attention is riveted on the flesh that lies beneath, and it's looking A-ok for now. Finally, she says, "Shower?" And I consent, at which point she turns to me, looks me right in the eye, and in a totally deadpan voice, says 'I'm very shy'. Simultaneously, she drops her pants and pulls off her top, revealing some sexy, string-lingerie. And she just stands there for me to look at. That is, she was kidding about being shy, but she had to put on the pretense of being a shy girl.

So she stood there in her utterly revealing lingerie, and friends, FUCK. ME. Her body was even more devastatingly gorgeous than I had imagined. I mean, this body was about as perfect as I could ever have hoped for. As she stood there, I realized how tall she is. Turns out she is 5'6", which is tall for a Thai girl. She has long, gorgeous legs, shaved immaculately, and therefore smooth as butter (more on than anon). As she rotated her body for me (yes, she did that of her own free will), the ass that had lured me was revealed, and muther fucker, it boggled my mind. In fact, I actually, spontaneously muttered 'mutherfucker' as her ass turned and faced me full-on. I honestly felt like Wolfie in that cartoon where his eyes bulge and pop as he hoots and hollers at the female of his attention on stage.

The ass was neither large nor small, but super-well-shaped, and it looked ever so firm. She had slight stretch marks on the outside of the ass, but that was definitely not the child bearing kind (wrong location), it was more the like kind that someone who used to be heavy and has dropped some weight has. Turns out that is correct: when she was in high school, she was, in her own words, a little fattie. Now, not so much. Her hips were wide, though, which is what gave the ass that extra impressive roundness. Her waist was super toned and firm, and her legs were [you]out of this fucking world[ / be]. How can I explain it to you?

Being the leg specialist that I am, you know I have seen more than my share of legs. I know a good leg when I see one, and I have a full typology of legs that I refer to every day, all day, as I walk around town. My mind is consumed by legs, it is obsessed with legs, and legs rule my every thought, to some degree or the other. I have seen all ranges of legs, and I have very, very particular preferences (just like we all do for our own personal fetishes). I want my ladies' legs to have very particular dimension, very particular flesh types, very particular muscle tone, very particular ratios, etc. In short, legs for me need to be well proportioned (e. G. , East Asian women often have lovely legs, but they also often have disproportionately short lower legs, I. E. , the length from knee to ankle is disproportionately short compared to the length from knee to hip), they need to have slim (but not skinny) ankles, which draw out to a well-toned, well proportioned calf muscle. This is the key for me: the quality of the calf. If it is even slightly skinny, I'm out. If it is overly muscular, then that's a turn off. So it is just a very, very particular fetish that I have, and it has been the jet fuel that has powered my entire mongering life (since I was in my late teens, actually).

So how often does this happen in life, my friends, where the object of your life-long fetish comes to fruition? I can't tell you how many years I have been looking for this perfect combination of attributes. It was so stunning, that without thinking, literally (I kid you not), I lifted my arms and clutched my head, in the universal 'it's too much for me to bear' gesture. And that happened instinctively, such was the overwhelming sense of astonishment I was feeling. Kid in candy store, anyone?

And add to all of this the fact that she was absolutely uninhibited about these beautiful morsels. She was bouncing around the room unaware of the effect this was having on me. I was quite honestly completely immobilized, transfixed, unable to breath or avert my gaze. I could feel some kind of neurochemicals blasting into my system, and it was invigorating me instantly. And such was the rush, within the 30 seconds of her prancing around the room semi-nude, my hands started to shake uncontrollably. I hastily crossed my arms to hide this, and I ushered her into the shower, so I could cool myself down.

She hinted at a shared shower, but I put the kaibosh on that idea. I really don't like shared showering all that much. It's too awkward, and it just turns me off when I see the beauty of the being in there with me, compared to the hairy, ugliness of Kumbu's body. Silly? Maybe. But there you have it. So off she went for her showering. I shook with excitement, and I started to breath more calmly and deeply to sooth my nerves. I was really, really tired, which was contributing to this erratic behavior. But she was also really, really sexy, which was the primary contributor. So I breathed calmly, closed my eyes, relaxed. When she came out, we talked a bit more before I went in and cleaned up.

Back in bed, we sat on the covers, both in our towels, talking for another 10 minutes or so. Again, we talked so openly and comfortably, it was a real pleasure. She is a spark plug, that's for sure, with an excellent sense of humor. Slowly, the towel would drop off, and she would pull it up, just for the sake of decorum. But eventually, she just let the towel sit in her lap. Her breasts were a solid be cup, soft and supple. You could tell that they had been ever-so-slightly soft from the effect of a child (they were still pert, but obviously nor as perky as pre-child breasts are), so we talked about her child. Yes, one child, age 7 yrs, father cheated on her, he's out of their life, you know, the standard Issan female story.

[b]The Dirty Bits[/b]
Eventually, we both sneak under the covers and the towels come off. For the first time, we are full-body skin-to-skin, and she feels so fucking silky. As we talk, my hands start to gently caress her arms, and her shoulders. I slowly caress her neck and upper chest (being sure to avoid her breasts, since I prefer to save the full-on stimulation for later). I move on to the tummy, softly caressing in various directions and hand shapes. All this while, we're talking about something or the other. I am remarkably good at maintaining such conversations as a pretense to grope naked flesh.

The real pleasure began when I managed to get my hands down to her ass and legs. For the first time, I laid my hands fully into her ass and my heart stood still. It was a firm, full, fleshy ass. Such asses are rare in Thailand you get the scrawny, bony ass, or you get the full, flabby ass, aka, the McDonald's ass. But her ass was a proper ass. That's the best word I can find to describe it. It was proper in the sense that when you close your eyes and imagine the perfect, most classic of sexy ass-shapes, you imagine what I had in my hands in the wee hours of Tuesday morning. My hands played with the flesh for a good 10 minutes, alternating between the ass and the legs.

Now, her legs were superb. As mentioned above, know that I am a leg connoisseur. Legs are my thing. Given the choice of legs, ass, breasts or face, I'll pick legs any day of the week. This girl had legs of sheer perfection. Her thighs were firm, full and very toned. She runs 5 times per week, she reveals to me, approximately 3 km each time. She works out at the gym 3 times per week too, and it shows. Her muscles in her arms were similarly toned. But her legs were so firm and shapely that it hurt to even think about. I kept having to look and feel again, just so I would believe how awesome it all was.

So I massaged and caressed her legs and ass for about 10 more minutes, with little Kumbu a purple, bulging rage. But I soon found myself gently running my hands over her pussy. It was well trimmed, and smelled (from afar at least) like the most elegant of restaurants. Little Kumbu was so raging at this point that I was blasting precum onto the bed every few seconds. Those legs and ass were the archetypal image of my most deep-seeded sexual fantasies since the age of 13 yrs, and the most primal, cave-man parts of my brain were being activated right now. It truly felt like a base, primitive, foundational nerve was suddenly reawakened and was firing on full cylinders for the first time in decades. I thought those parts of me were dead, but here they are, reawakened, living a new life, like the Lazarus that is Kumbu tonight.

[b]Entering the Monastery[/b]
So I kissed her chest, above the breasts. This was the first time my lips had touched her tonight, mind you. I pepper her chest with gentle kisses, avoiding the nipples as best I could. I kissed her breast flesh carefully, and tried to get every inch of skin on her upper body. I made my way down to the her pubic region, and when I got there, I was not disappointed. It was clean, clean, clean. Moreover, she has the teensiest, cutest little clit I had ever seen. In fact, I could not even see it. There was a small little hood, and there was a little knob hiding beneath it, but the hood+clit must have been about the size and dimensions of a 2-inch wood nail (imagine that, upside down with the head at the bottom). It was a small sliver. Her pussy lips, on the other hand, were plentiful. So there was lots to suck into my mouth, but I knew immediately that this girl was going to require some work. Small, well-hidden clits are fun to play hide and seek with, but stimulating them is always tricky. But I'm game for a long session at the 'why'.

And so it began, my most spiritual, fulfilling, thrilling and pre-cum-generating session of cunillingus ever. As I went down to begin, I just happened to catch a glimpse of the clock in the corner of my eye: it was 2:44 am. I began with some gentle kissing, licking, and probing with the tongue. I started digging around with my tongue for that clit. It was in there somewhere, it just had to be. There were two problems. The first was the miniscule size of the clit. It was small, but definitely there. Second, and relatedly, the hood completely covered that little sucker, sheltering it perfectly to all outside forces. So the key was to expose the clit, which means flesh needed to be shifted around. Specifically, that hood needed to go.

With the tip of my tongue, I shoved the hood upwards, and she gasped a little. Ok, progress. But the hood just slipped right back down to cover up the little clit. So I repeated, and she gasped a little. Ok, I think I got it. My technique then was to push the hood back while pressing down with good pressure, thereby exerting friction to the exposed clit on the way up. I then flicked my tongue back down with the same pressure, letting the hood slip down too. And then I repeated that whole process. This way, the clit was under constant but changing pressure, and exposed for most of this process. She seemed to really dig it, so I stuck with this for a while. This became the regular clit stimulation portion of the DATY routine, as you will see below.

Occasionally, I would stop this process, just to give my tongue muscles time to regain strength, and during these little interludes, I would open my tongue up into as wide and flat shape as I could, and then just mop up the whole pussy, from top to bottom. It was like the tongue slap you get from an over-friendly golden retriever: lick, lick, lick, lots of slobber from a big, fat tongue. This was just the most awesome DATY I was enjoying, and I was very aware of its super-awesomeness. But then I went back to working that clit, and she would just groan and moan like all was well with the world.

At the next break time, instead of giving her the golden retriever treatment, I put my hands underneath her butt and lifted it up a little, and then I stuck my tongue as deep into her pussy as I could. On my way out, I circled the edges of the actual hole: I did around 10 clockwise circles, and then 10 counter-clockwise circles, feeling the edges of her very womanhood. And she enjoyed that. But while I was down there, I decided to go for the taint. I put my lips around the taint and gently suckled it, one lip on the top side of the Great Divider, the other lip on the other, more taboo side, and my tongue washing over the taint in all direction. She moaned, though I could sense she was a little conscious about this.

Aw fuck it, I went lower and plunged my tongue into her asshole, circling it gently back and forth. I then did the golden retriever move, except this time it started down inside her ass, and then wiped broadly upwards over her taint, her pussy hole, her pussy lips and finally roughly across her hood. She really enjoyed that, and so did I, so I did it a dozen times or so, with minor variations from time to time. And then I went back to the regular hood-clit rubbing.

Every time I took one of these asshole-licking breaks, her groans would slow a little, but then when I went back to the clit, her groans would come back louder than before. So in this process, I was slowly ramping her up, getting her closer and closer to the end.

But in a weird way, I did not want this to end. Her pussy was utterly without foulness. You know how a woman is fresh and tasty for the first 20 minutes, and then her juices start to flow and the stank sets in? Well, this girl's juices were flowing, as evidenced by the puddle in the middle of my bed, but the scent was fantastic. It wasn't innocuous since there was a definite scent to her. But the scent was not stank, it was, well, scent. It was the essence of her, and I had my tongue in the essence of this woman.

At one point, I spread her legs, then with my fingers I spread her labia, and I lifted her pussy to get the angle right, and then I pushed my tongue deep into her pussy, right down to the root of my tongue. I pushed so far I thought I might pull a tendon or muscle or something, but I could not stop myself. Tongue deep within this woman's body, my upper lip was pushed hard against her clit and my lower lip was across the taint and rubbing against her asshole. To achieve this position, my mouth was wide open, gaping in fact, almost like I was stuck in a silent scream, shouting right into the depths of her pussy. Goddam, the thought of my mouth wide open, tongue fully extended and inserted into her pussy, my entire face pressed hard against her holiest of holies, one lip rubbing her clit and the other rubbing her asshole was such a scene of decadent over-consumption that I could feel myself coming to an orgasm, without any stimulation to little Kumbu at all. So I had to pull back a little, and go back to the clit stimulation.

This process repeated itself over and over again, and I lost track of how many times I went through the cycle, but every time I got to stick my tongue into her pussy and lick her butthole, I was rejuvenated and reenergized for the next cycle. And so I would eagerly get back into the clit rubbing just because I knew that on the other end of this was some more pussy-asshole debauchery. Also, now, as I did the rhythmical up-down clit rubbing, she would grab the hair on the side of my head and pull and push my head, kind of like my head was a little vibrator and she was masturbating. That thought pleased me greatly.

Alternatively, during some of this process, she would tighten her silky, sexy thighs around my ears and guide me with her thighs. So I could not hear anything except the soft sily rub of her inner thighs. I could not taste anything other than the soft, wet delight of her pussy and asshole. I could not smell anything except the wash of her pussy juice all over my face. And my hands were up around her breasts, squeezing and rubbing her nipples, and her calves would wrap around my shoulders. So taking all of this into account, I had pussy, asshole, thighs, calves and breasts all around me. It was such a superb sensation. To be deprived of regular perception and sensation and to have nothing but pussy, asshole, thighs, calves, and breasts as your sole sensory input was so overwhelming, so viscerally spiritual, that I began to feel the presence of a higher being of consciousness. Dining at her 'why', that night, had become a downright religious experience, brought on by legs, pussy and ass that met my every dream since teenage hood. Boys, I am a happy Kumbu tonight. I imagine that this is why monks hole themselves up in monasteries and retreats, where they can get their entire world focused in on one heavenly concept. Likewise, I was in my monastery here, worshiping at the alter of female form.

At some point, perhaps after 90 minutes of this (yeah, you read that right), fatigue began to set in, and my mind started to get fuzzy. I started losing sense in my extremities, well, all extremities except little Kumbu that is. But my mind was beginning to wander, to lose its grip on reality. I think I was becoming delusional, seeing abstract shapes in my peripheral vision, and hearing the sound of the river I used to play near when I was a child. And at some point in the butthole licking cycle, as I had her pussy spread wide, my mouth gorging on her insides from both holes, I pulled back ever so slightly, and I heard myself whisper to her pussy, gently, soulfully, "Yes, it's true, I DO still exist. " It's true: that happened, and I had no conscious control over it.

So she crescendoed several times, but there was never a great big heaving thump of an orgasm, which is why I just kept at it. After a long, long time, she tired, and her moans eased, and I took my cue to pull up. It was only then did I realize that we had been at it such a long time. I looked at the clock, and to my amazement, it was 5:35 am. Whhhhaaaaa? I had been doing this DATY from 2:40 am until 5:35 am?! Almost three hours of DATY. That's some religious DATY, right there.

Phew.

[b]All Aboard the No-Fuck Train[/b]
She was looking at me like I was from outer space. Did I have pussy juice all over my face? I wiped my face, but she was still looking at me funny. I asked her why she did not cum, and she looked confused. I repeated myself, and she chuckled, not answering. Hmm?

So we cuddled for a while, talking about this and that. Little Kumbu was still raging, but something odd began to appear deep within me, something I have never felt before. I hesitate to tell you guys this, since it may well enrage some of you, but I did promise you honesty. Oddly, I did not want to fuck this girl.

It's hard to explain. It was not fatigue, nor a lack of sexual arousal (purple little Kumbu can testify to that). And it was definitely not a lack of attraction: she was fucking turning my screws harder than ever as I lay there at nearly 6 am on Tuesday morning. No, it was something different. I felt like we had had such a supremely satisfying and utterly perfect three hours of mutual pleasuring, that to move on to the copulation would somehow be, I dunno, crude? It would somehow sully the perfection of the night, and I so wanted to cherish what I had just experienced. Am I making any sense here? Just typing this I am wondering what the fuck was happening in my brain, but remember, I was horribly sleep deprived, I had been cloistered within the temple walls of her leg and pussy flesh for a third of a work day, and I was delusional in many ways. But there you have it.

We kept talking, and after 10 minutes of pussy footing around, she just comes out and asks:

"You want to fuck now?

I smiled, eyes glazed over a little. She frowns her brow a little, looking at me.

"You no want to fuck?

I said no, I explained it was not her it was me, you know, the usual. She was surprised, but not terribly disappointed. She had had hers, so why complain? We went back and forth between her sleeping there or leaving, and I told her I need to wake up for work in 3 hours. So we decided better for her to leave now. So we showered together, which despite what I said earlier, turned into a one final super, bubbly butt-squeezing delight.

I paid her 2500 baht. She did not complain, or show any kind of reaction, which I think is the norm for these kinds of transactions.

As she walked out the door, I felt a longing for her perfect, voluptuous legs and her firm, silky butt, but I did not feel dissatisfied in any way. Little Kumbu was not particularly happy, but fuck that little guy. I had just been through a religious experience. I was feeling utterly redeemed, saved, I had found salvation. I will be repeating with this girl, that's for damned sure.

As I climbed into bed, I realized that I had to sleep in the corner of the bed because there were puddles of precum, pussy juice and spit all over the bed, with an especially large puddle right in the middle. Kumbu, you are one depraved muther fucker. And as I was falling asleep, I realized that the base of my tongue really, really hurt. I think I did pull something in my tongue as I tongue-fucked that gorgeous pussy.

Yes, it's true, I DO still exist. Heh, I crack myself up.

Continued from Massage Section.

After a nice break in at Mitu ultimate destination for the night was Nana as my regular works in cowboy so didn't want to get made. Looked a few places but was interested to see the buzz about billboard so that was the first place I went in to. I have to say the talk was right, place had a full stock of girls and good vibe. Mama san was a bit pushy, guessing this is the one mentioned, but it wasn't unmanageable. She did bring over this hottie who turned out to be the dancer from the paint show who promptly sat on my lap. She was smoking and the body was right in in all the right places, but she only goes short time, and best I could negotiate was 4 k for 2 hours, and I was suspicious I would never get my 2 hours. She also went through two lady drinks pretty fast, granted I was getting a good semi lap dance so that didn't bother me. But there were just too many red flags, and for the slow season and already 12:30 just wasn't flying for me. When I went to move on she confirmed it with being insistent on a tip after at least 2 maybe 3 lady drinks in maybe 45 minutes and was quite indignant when I pointed out I already bought multiple drinks. Still however the little head really wanted to take her out. Slipped across to hooters for a beer with a friend headed to the airport then back to nana and spied a few places but were all pretty light so headed back to billboard. Enjoyed some more of the shows, somehow missed the hottub corner, I spent my time on the left hand side as you walked in, should have changed it up on 2nd time. Getting pretty late now and was narrowing in on an odd choice for me. There were two short haired sorta punk girls who while clearly drunk were naughty looking, really danced showing off the body, and generally happy. I focused on the dark haired one and had some drinks, English was a bit less than average, but we managed, both of us bit sloshed anyway. Barfine was 700 and LT I negotiated with mamasan to 4 k since it was already past 2. She tried the pay now bit but didn't fall for that and wasn't given any problem. She took a while to change which was annoying but finally out and taxi back to hotel. Performance was pretty decent with a repeat in the morning so no complaints. Would even consider repeating maybe seeing if getting the friend too with some booze might produce something interesting. Anyway, the selection at billboard was solid, probably better than anything I saw at cowboy a few days later as well and the atmosphere and shows were fun. Definite repeat on billboard for me.

Scheduled a nice 2 hour session with Benz at SW who is my normal first round go to but was booked when I arrived the night before so had an afternoon session. She was great as usual. Sure the breasts are manmade and the nose is fake, but her personality is great and eager to please and others everything. For oily girls she is going to remain one of my favorites. I tip ahead of session to since I know I am going to and that way may inspire her even a bit more.

Having never checked out Thermae I was interested to see what it was all about. I met another senior member for a beer at Hooters on 11 and we headed over. Was interesting to see for myself, I guess I sorta pictured something a bit more current and less 80's vibe. Also didn't expect to see that none of the girls drink, they just stand there very passive. Got a drink and did a loop and my buddy laid it out for me. Was quite interesting at least and different since I am normally an MP and gogo person. Did another loop and spent some time observing. This was a Saturday night prime time 10-12 frame so place was packed with girls. I think I also thought I would able to sort out the part timers from regulars easier but that really wasn't apparent, at least not to my virgin eyes. I had the next day planned out with new girl from January so didn't want to stay out late and didn't feel like heading anyplace else so took a flyer on a girl. First mistake, should have kept it to 2 or 2. 5 k, I agreed to 3 k, which was definitely overpaying, can't say what I was thinking there. Rookie mistake and I should know better. Next mistake was that my conversation didn't involve any details on performance and should have used the suggested CIM question as a baseline for willingness. Anyway, back to room, shower, CBJ, and then she is too lazy to be on top and complaining about size in mish. Did put her sideways and from behind and did some damage in that position to at least get some of my baht worth. Unfortunately couldn't finish and tried to get her on top which failed. She did finish me off with handjob, but honestly that seems like a poor finish in BKK. However I didn't want it to be total bust so went with it and sent her on her way. She did have a nice young 22 year old body and I have had worse experiences so was still an ok night. Next time need to cover those two basis in negotiation. There are certainly the girls only interested in the asean cliental and farangs were by far the minority in the place. That being said I am willing to give it another shot at a later date maybe on way to Nana or Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1887665]And yes, I saw the girls outside in those kimonos. But, you know none of the girls in their kimonos (another draw for the Japanese I presume), I saw when they were out in front at that cart buying stuff in their kimonos looked anything great. I could not figure that out..[/QUOTE]I still don't get it. On stage or off stage CH girls are just mediocre to average in looks.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1891315]This is completely true, so true in fact, that watch out for my next-to-next post, in which I prove exactly this point, in spectacularly hypocritical style. It hurts me to admit this, but honesty stings sometimes. I'll try to post that sometime on Friday, if I can find some time in the day to write it up.

My point exactly. I did bullshit this girl, and it makes absolutely no sense. There is no upside to it, as far as I can tell, and it comes from (I think) just regular social instincts. I think such instincts need to be suspended in this cartoonish world of gogo girl interaction.[/QUOTE]I don't have the instinct to do the fake praise. When I do praise, I get "paak waan" sometimes so maybe girls are expecting bullshit I don't know. However some know I won't call a girl to me unkess I think she has something special.

[QUOTE=LuckyIs1;1891272]This review is from my around a month back trip to Thailand. I had visited Pattaya and Bangkok during that trip.

Nataree Soapy massage is on Ratchadapisek Road next to Emerald Hotel.

Reason for selecting Nataree was that as per reviews it had higher number of Thai gals than any of the other massage parlors. I visited Nataree on two different days and on both days there were around 40- 50 gals. Higher the no. Of gals means higher probability to find gal of your liking.

Day 1.

On Day 1 I had selected a gal from fish bowl. Fish bowl gals have lowest charges and are the oldest among the lot. The younger the gals higher will be there charges..[/QUOTE]Heads-up: For those interested in checking Nataree out, visit the "Bangkok Massage Parlors. Except Tulip and Annies!" thread. Apparently, Nataree has been taken out of commission.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1891227]Not many guys really care a lot about the face. LOL. [/QUOTE]For me the face is only about 25%. Body is 75%. I'll take a gal with a rocking body and a marginal face over a gall with a great face and a marginal body. In fact. A not so great face is nice sometimes as you don't feel like you are defiling anything angelic! 555+. It's all about body and skill set.

Incredible report. Thanks so much for posting. You certainly delivered on the leg meat worship, pussy licking and butt munching we have all come to know and love.

I am happy you had such great success at Climax. It looks like you have found your home and I expect there will be plenty of more reports form there.

I hope that you were able to get Ms. Dangerous Curve's contact info. She sounds like she ticked off all your boxes and brought you to a prenatal state of bliss. After al the anticipation you have built up entering her jade gate will be an incredible experience (for the both of you).

But there is also the thrill of the hunt and the variety to be had in Krung Thep, the (real) city of Angeles.

Always the great dilemma. But a blessed one one to have.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

Wasted 5 dollars last night going to Nana Bilboards. 60 girls not one even close to being pretty. I think more coyotes than barfinable prostitutes.

What's there monthly nut? Rent, utilities, fees to agencies, etc. The numbers just don't add up-how do these places stay in business. 9 pm very few lady drinks being bought, no barfines, grouchy looking customers, hahahaha.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1891337]There is something existentially magnifying when one finds that perfect gem in the sea of cubic zirconia. You look and you look, and at some point you feel the tension between fatigue on the one hand, and bulging testicular demand on the other. Which wins out? Sometimes, the scrotal imperative wins out, but to devastating effects. That's when you bed the very wrong person, just so you can bed [B]someone[/B]. You are so desperate to fuck that you acquiesce to the first proposition and tell yourself that at least you will get to fuck tonight. I dubbed this Cum Goggles in my previous post, and I was determined not to succumb to this effect tonight. I would rather retire with a quick wrist-whack to little Kumbu than spend money, time and energy on the wrong person. Perhaps with the mellowing of age, I have become more willing to forego the less-than-perfect-fuck in favor of keeping my powder dry for the battle the next night. That's especially noteworthy, since this is my first night in BKK after three long years, remember.

As I climbed into bed, I realized that I had to sleep in the corner of the bed because there were puddles of precum, pussy juice and spit all over the bed, with an especially large puddle right in the middle. Kumbu, you are one depraved muther fucker. And as I was falling asleep, I realized that the base of my tongue really, really hurt. I think I did pull something in my tongue as I tongue-fucked that gorgeous pussy.

Yes, it's true, I DO still exist. Heh, I crack myself up.[/QUOTE]Do we have something as the holy book on ISG; this report has to be in the holy book of ISG, I have not read such a beautiful write up about a single night and awesome experience in words which can put the best English teachers to shame. I though what we write was erotica but I think this is erotica and what we write is BS no fun to read our posts in front of this as we have music to ears this was pleasure to eyes, mind, body it was simply stimulating. Just reading all this I imagined everything and my hands are a bit in shiver as to what I have read.

Absolutely super: Need some another forum other than ROD to put this report for all newbies like us and even seniors that this is how you stimulate a night and then write about it.

Crazy man this is fucking classic:

Cheers: Never ever stop writing.

Alex

There's a woman who works in my office back States-side who explains the debacle that was Tuesday night. The woman, let's call her H, works in a related area to me, and is somewhat below me in the hierarchical structure of the organization. Put simply, H is a very, very annoying individual. She has a voice that grates at my ears. It is high-pitched, ultra nasal and highly aggravating. Her laugh reminds me of the Seinfeld woman who Jerry described as having a laugh like Elmer Fudd sitting on a juicer, except H's laugh is a little shriller. Her face looks like a military drone flew right into it a few moments ago, and her hair, oh god, her hair! It is dark, very frilly and tangled, and looks like rats have built a dwelling out of fur balls.

Because of her relative position to me in the organization, H often seeks out my time to discuss things and get advice. When I offer her advice, she is as stubborn as a bent nail. She just won't listen to what I have to offer, and yet she keeps coming back to grate my ears with her voice and frighten me with the rat-condo on her head. And the advice sessions last [B]forever[/B]! They just go on and on, broken up only by the sound of Elmer Fudd and the accompanying full-body shudder that I experience. And yet, seemingly inexplicably, I continue to accommodate her, taking her appointments and listening patiently to her shrill drone. Why do I do this? WHY?!

H has one of the most fabulous asses I have seen on either side of the Pacific. It is [B]spectacular[/B] in the most extreme sense. It is substantial, set upon wider-than-proportionate hips, seemingly firm (not flabby at all), superbly rounded, with excellent over-hang and perfect symmetry. It's the kind of thing that even when I am deep in conversation with the most ardent feminist in my office, and H walks by, I have to stop talking and glare at the beauty that is on display. It's embarrassing.

Moreover, the fact that her legs are awesome to the awesome-th degree gives H the perfect body, in my view. The rest of her body is trim and tight, and she is generally in good, clean condition.

So this explains it, right? Her ass and legs trump all else. I wish there was a way to somehow hide the brutal truth of it, but that's what nature gives us. Because of that ass, I spend countless hours in mindless discussion with her, looking really only at her face (ugh), and just dreaming of what fantastic flesh she is sitting on. And when she gets up to leave my office, I get my just rewards. She walks out, my eyes super-glued to her swinging, undulating, voluminous backside. I then sit back and exhale gently, trying simultaneously to suppress the self-loathing while maintaining the image of that ass in my mind as long as possible. And that cycle repeats itself ad nauseum.

My point? Human male psychology is incredibly susceptible to superficial female physical features. The shape of a woman's back-side has taken dozens of Kumbu-hours out of my life for no rational reason. I have no hope of ever sinking my teeth into that ass, nor, in truth, would I want to. The complexities that presents are just insurmountable. But I can't help myself. The ass calls, and I am its slave.

And so it was on Tuesday night. This is the story of how the World Welterweight Mongering Champion was beaten down by a heavyweight gogo girl. Not only was Kumbu taught some serious humility, our champion was made to eat crow regarding a previous post on a gogo girl that was too ugly for the high and mighty Kumbu.

[B]The Undercard[/B]

My diamond girl from the previous night left at around 5:45 am, and I was asleep within minutes. I awoke at 7:30 am to go to work, and my tongue hurt like a muther fucker. The base of my tongue was bruised and perhaps ripped a little, such was the ferocity of tongue fucking I performed the previous night. But shit, I don't regret that one bit. The day was intense and busy at work, and I did not get back from work until 7 pm. I was exhausted, still jet lagged, and running on less than 2 hours of sleep over the last 48 hours. I got into my hotel room and, I don't know how, but I fell asleep instantly. Perhaps "passed out" is a better description because I don't remember even lying down. I awoke three hours later, frantic that I might miss a night of shameless female body worshipping in this most energizing of cities. A quick shower and off I trotted into the rainy streets of Bangkok.

I went around soi 23 to try to check out Crazy House. The bar is not actually on soi Cowboy, but just around the corner on the soi. I arrived at around 10:45, not having been here for more than 3 years, so I was curious what lay within. You take a step up into the bar from the street through a curtain, and when your head emerges through the other side, bright neon light splashes right into your eyes, loud rock music blasting very loud, and you are faced with a wall of naked legs right in your face. It's almost like you are an infant going through reverse child birth. You are in the dark, dank bland outside world, and you enter through the curtain into a world of female coital body parts. The stage is right there at the entrance, and the girls are all butt-nekkid. So you walk in, and it is a tad jarring. I looked up just a little, and shaved pussy after shaved pussy winked coyly at me. I could not look at the faces, since it would require I crane my head all the way back, so close was I to that wall of dancing pussies atop a forest of legs. All naked, fleshy, and very, very gaudy, it must be said.

The place was absolutely rocking. There were no empty tables, and lots and lots of gawking men sat all around, eyes snapped to attention. I imagine that like their eyes, their hidden cocks within their pants were snapped to attention, all pointing towards the stage, like it was their true north. I slowly walked around the left side of the stage trying to avoid the bulging pants and cock compasses all poking into the walkway, hoping to find a place to sit. I could see the girls upstairs through the plexiglass, so I thought I might try to find my way upstairs, but the cock blockage in the walkway ahead of me proved too stressful for me to navigate, and luckily I spotted a stool at the edge of the stage, so I grabbed it and sat down. Phew.

Heineken arrives, and my eyes begin to focus on the task at hand. The sleep was still heavy in my eyes, and my head contained a dull ache, a combination of sleep-deprivation, physical fatigue and sexual anticipation.

I look around and all that flesh right in my face was a little too much for me to endure. It was like stimulus overload just too much leg-meat, ass meat, shaved pussies, peroxide hair, loud music, screams of waitresses and men all around, it was just too much for the fragility of Kumbu's mood at that moment in time. I needed to settle myself, so I went into my zen mode and tried to pull back a little. I took a deep breath, closed off my mind to the blasting stimuli all around me, and started a rather detached survey of the situation. It was like I was having an out-of-body experience, silence in my head, floating gently just outside in front of my forehead, looking left and right at the customers who frequent this place.

Above me was the plexi-glass ceiling, with naked girls dancing up there. I guess you could see their naughty bits from down here, which gives the allure of some kind of peeping-tom sleaze, but I could not be wanked to crane my neck upwards for more than 2 seconds, so I did not bother. The girls were literally directly above me, so I would have to look straight up to catch a glimpse of anything. Plus the plexiglass was not quite crystal clean: there was plenty of butt-grease and other impurities which made it less than transparent. So the view of a girl's undercarriage would be blurry at best. Weirdly, given my proclivities for cleanliness, that grime on the plexiglass did not gross me out. It kind of turned me on.

The gent to my left was a white dude, perhaps mid-forties, well dressed (clean jeans, plaid shirt, well-preped haircut), sitting on the stool clutching his beer with both hands, as if in mid-prayer to the god of cheap, hussied up ladies of the night. He was looking up at the mass of naked flesh, with the single largest goofy smile on his face I had ever seen. In real life, this guy could have been a banker or a reporter or an English teacher, all well-respected professions. But here tonight, he was a giddy, horn-dog who could not conceal his sheer out-of-this-world giddiness at having 20 naked girls prancing mere inches from his delighted nose. He was not looking anywhere other than the pussies that were a few inches above his wide-eyed boy-like eyes. His back was straight as a nail, as was his hidden cock compass, and his face looking eagerly upwards at the stank-filled stage.

On my right were a couple of Aussies, giggling like school girls at the most fortunate predicament they found themselves in. They were giggling about the one with the fake boobs, or the one with the tiny, scuffy ass, or the one with the stick-like legs, etc. They were very cute together, and I felt warm watching them. These two mates were going to spread some down-under cum quite liberally tonight.

And next over from the Aussies was a Japanese guy. Hmm, this guy was not your regular business man from Japan, I. E. , he's not the kind of guy you see at places like Bacarra. There, you get the well-oiled, highly pompous (by Japanese standards), high-end Japanese business men who have more money than they know what to do with, and like to have three girls at a time fawn over them. No, this was not such a man. He was beyond middle-age, perhaps in his early sixties. His hair was there, though wispy, and he was wearing a somewhat dated sports coat, perhaps from the 1970's. His face was looking horizontally, but his eyes were turned upwards to the girls, almost rolled all the way back into his head. It was kind of unnerving to watch, which is why it caught my attention. Moreover, his mouth was hanging open in a rather odd manner. His lower lip hung down low, revealing his lower teeth, which were just a tad open from the top teeth. But you could see the entirety of his lower set of teeth, hanging there, unmoving, as he looked upwards in a mesmerized trance. He had an orange juice held in his hands, just an inch or two off the surface of the bar, and the straw was stuck to his lower lip. It was not being sucked, it was just stuck there, perpetually held to his lip through dried spit. . . Just dangling there. It was the oddest scene. It was almost as if he was mid-orgasm. Watching the nakedness of these girls was enough to get his orgasm machine churning, and he was just sitting there letting it churn and churn and churn, hoping to meet a happy ending to his entire life. What a happy way to go, right?

Suddenly there was a lout woot, and like well-trained monkeys, everyone instantly looked upwards. Ok, it must be some kind of show. I looked up and the girls had sat down on the plexiglass now, and all I could see were two squashed bums moving left and right on the glass above me. Interesting, I must admit, to see bum flesh pressed up against glass like that, is indeed a pleasant, if not unusual experience. That explains the sheen of butt grease I had seen earlier. But I could not see what the girls were doing, since whatever they were sticking into their pussies was obscured to my view. I heard some kind of hissing, and then popping, and best I could figure was they were blowing up balloons and then shooting some kind of dart out of their pussies to pop the balloons. Again, interesting, but not my cup of tea.

I tired of this place quickly. I looked carefully at all the girls on stage, and there were so many of them, and there was so much jostling, I just could not get a good vibe going. Most of them were not my type: skinny legs, skinny little runt-like asses, and fake boobs. Not my deal at all. Moreover, the 3-4 of them who were much more Kumbu-worthy were showing me no love at all, and so I decided to bail after just 6-7 minutes.

I know Crazy House is a favorite of many on this thread, so let me say that it is definitely worth checking out. But it won't work for everyone, right? To each his own, and this one is not one of my own.

[B]The Champ Enters the Ring[/B]

I walked out, turned left, entered soi cowboy, and decided to pay Pretentious Pudgy Girl from the previous night a visit. I thought I might get a second look at her and see if she is BF worthy. So I walked in, and this time (around 11 pm), Bacarra was much more lively than the previous night. There were a dozen girls on stage, dressed slightly better than last time, and slightly more active. I took a quick gander at them and decided upstairs was my preference. So I went up and found a seat on the far side at the back. Nice spot since I could see the whole bar very well, though a little far from the girls.

I spied Pretentious Pudgy Girl immediately. Turns out she is #81. Her face is really the only thing she has going. She has a very definite Meagan Fox thing going, which is pretty cool, but her body was quite stocky. I like some flesh on my girls, but she seemed a little too soft and thick, even for me. But more unappealing was the fact that she was really, really into herself. She was just fixated on dancing for herself in the mirror. Every opportunity she got, she would find a mirror and just stick to it. She showed no interest in customers, though she was kidding around and playing with the other girls. Anyway. Pretentious Pudgy Girl was fast fading as a potential mate for Kumbu tonight.

Meanwhile, I see my lass from the other night, the one who I had unnecessarily called pretty, despite her less than pretty appearance. #23, Plaa is her name. Plaa, she tells me later, means 'fish' in Thai. But as I saw her, I did not see the ugliness that I saw the night before. Somehow, from this vantage point, or in this current state of mind, she looked rather pretty. She had pretty eyes, a pretty set of cheekbones, and all I could now see is a super toned little mid-section. She had smallish (though pretty breasts), and super thick legs. But her legs looked very, very firm, and not fatty at all. She was checking the boxes on Kumbu's checklist pretty well tonight. As noted by someone in response to my post from Monday night, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. True, and the same beholder's eye changes from moment to moment, it seems.

Now this is where my opening story about the giel with the lovely ass in my office comes in. With Plaa, she was not a winner in my books, since her face was unusual, and her ass was a little flabby. But her legs, ay, her legs, they were something else. I would not call them beautiful legs, or spectacular legs, or pretty legs, since they don't fit the prototypical meaning of those words. But they were very unusual. When one has a fetish for something, you want to explore all the little corners and edges of that fetish, and so it was on Tuesday night. Against my better judgment, I ended up taking Plaa, almost entirely because I wished to explore the particulars of her walking apparatus. Because of this, all that followed was viewed through the rose-tinted glasses of sexy legs.

She saw me and giggled, and without asking permission, just scampered over rather adorably. She came over and did a wai, and then cuddled up so puppy-like right in my arms, it was delightful. She giggles about how she thought I was not coming back, and she's glad I did, blah blah blah. Short story: she was working me very well. I was fully aware of this, but I was also aware of something else that was very important. My hand was on the inside of her leg, just above the knee, and goddam that was lighting me on FIRE! Smooth, silky, sexy leg flesh, oh man, Kumbu, you are such an easy mark.

So a LD magically arrives almost as if I had agreed to buy it, we chat some, and then she says she has to dance, but will be back right after her rotation, as if it is perfectly cool to bilk a man out of a LD and then disappear moments later for the dance. Fine, gives me a chance to reassess my stance here with her. She was physically attractive to me tonight, and we were hitting it off, so why not, right?

She returns and after 5 minutes of small talk, she says 'no customuhhh tonight, only ladydink' Yadi yadi yada, "I want go widjoo tonigh" Ok, sounds about right. I ask her what the BF is (600 baht), and then what her fee is, and she says you want ST or LT? I say how much? And she says LT is 5000 and ST is 3000. I pause, and she looks at me, and she says "but I want go widjoo tonigh, so for you, long taii 4000 baht, shortai 2,500. " Giddy up. Little did I know it, but this was the high point of the evening.

[B]The Early Rounds[/B]

She comes back wearing a bright tangerine colored top with white jeans. Fetching, if slightly on the loud side. She's wearing strapped high heels, and is carrying an amazingly obvious knock off designer bag. Put this all together, and her dress choices clearly tag her a country girl trying to play the Big City Game. No worries, I love fucking country girls.

[B]Jab, jab, jab[/B]

So we hold hands as we walk back down soi 23 to Sukhumvit Suites. Talk is stilted, though that's par for course on the gogo-walk-back to the hotel. When we get to the elevator in the hotel, she leans on my shoulder and says 'oh, me welly dunk. ' I ask why she's drunk, and says 'me dink tequilaaa, too many. ' How many? Ten. What? It's barely 11 pm and she's had ten shots? Yikes, these girls do some serious gulp to make their money, it ain't funny. Ok, so this was the first clue that things would go south very fast.

When we get into the room, she walks in, kicks off her high heels revealing a couple of rather cute, if largish, duck-shaped feet. Wide, flat, and utterly duck-foot-like. Amazing. But the problematic part was not her flippers, but rather the fact that she walked right over to the lounger, sits down and pulls out her iPhone. Ok, I thought, she needs to text someone to tell them where she is. This is a safety thing Kumbu, don't worry you old worry wart.

I walk over and look down at the phone and see she is surfing some website. Looks like some kind of Thai gossip website. Hmm. Odd, right? She's not even talking to me. She's not being aggressive or anything, but she's kind of on autopilot here. So I say 'Umm, excuse me? We have something to do here, right?

'You have beer? I want to dink beer. ' I thought she was already drunk? So I said no, I have no beer for you here. Shall we shower? She instructs me to shower. Hmm, ok. This is not going terribly well, but I'll win her over, right? I've been in worse situations before and I have always managed to pull out something memorable.

So I shower, and when I exit, she's still in the exact same spot surfing the web. So I take a clean towel and take it over to her and place it right in her lap without saying a word. Hint, hint. She takes the hint, puts her phone away and off to the shower. Fuck me, must I do everything around here?

When she comes out, she is naked beneath the towel, and I can see her lovely, thick legs. Hmm, how can I win this night? Psst, gorge on the legs, Kumbu, gorge on the legs.

She goes over to her purse and picks up her phone and I say in a loud and abrupt voice "Uh!" She puts the phone away and sheepishly climbs onto the bed. So I try to talk to her to get some chemistry going. But I'm sailing into a stiff breeze. She is not a very good talker. She does not have much of a sense of humor, not like my diamond from the previous night. But I persist, and eventually I manage to get smile out of her, and then a little bit of a laugh, and things start to ease up. Phew.

Meanwhile, over the last 5 minutes, I had placed my hands on her body. First it was her elbow, then her shoulder, then the top of her chest above her breasts, and I pulled some of the towel up and placed my hand on her hip, and then the outside of her thighs. Her skin was soft, but no where near as silky as the diamond from the night before. Her skin is significantly whiter than my diamond, but rougher and slightly harder. Not sure how to describe it, but her body was just. . . Hard. It was built like a tank-very big boned, and solid. It was the kind of body that was designed to pull a plow through the field, followed by rice picking in the midday sun, and then hauling water from the river 2 miles away. Her stock was from the salt of the earth, and generally I enjoy such body types once in a while, so there was hope.

[B]Body Blow[/B]

So I pulled the towel off and behold, the champion is besting this challenger now. She did indeed have the tightest of mid-sections. I put my hands on her belly and ran them around her sides, feeling and groping all I could. Her hips were wide, wide, wide, which was accentuated by the skinniness of her tight little waist. It was superb to behold: such magnificent curvature, perfectly pleasing to a grumpy, sore-tongued Kumbu. Her breasts were small but her nipples were very, very attractive. They were small and pert, sitting within the flesh of a smallish 'be' cup. I rubbed my hands over them for a few moments before moving my attention to fields a-yonder.

She lay on her back, with her head on the pillow. I sat on my legs facing her, such that she wrapped her legs around me, with her hips slightly perched on my knees. So from here I could reach forward and cup her face (should I desire), and then run my hands all the way down her upper body, to her hips and pussy and thighs. Her thighs were right there wrapped around my waist, and so groping was most definitely on the agenda. Her pussy was, I must admit, truly spectacular. It was totally, totally bald. 100% bare, completely free of any foliage, and as pink and soft as an infant girl's baby blanket.

So I began my manual inspection of her body, inspecting every crevice and crack, every lump and mole, every turn in the symmetry and angular imperfection. Tonight I was a cartographer of female form, dutifully mapping every inch of the terrain of her body. It was pleasure supreme, and I never tire of this. But as I was midst-fetish here, she says to me:

"You want to fuck? Short time one hour. ".

To me, that was word salad. It made no sense at all. I couldn't even begin to parse what she said, and it showed on my face. So she says.

"Tilac, short time always one hour. No wolly, enough time to make good time widjoo. ".

So I said, "Tilac, short time is never one hour. Short time is at least 3 hours, and long time is all night, chay may?" We argue the semantics of this term for a while, agreeing to disagree. Her position was that Bacarra girls have a different expectation placed upon them by management, and so the definition of ST for them must, by sheer necessity of economics, change. Whatever, I was too deep at this point to bail, so I was going to find a silver lining if I could.

I was going to keep her however long I wanted, end of story. So I told her that. I said "You stay until I am finished and happy, chay may?" And she said "chaaaaay kaaa" as if that was never a question. So what is this one hour bullshit then? If she stays two hours, is she going to charge me an overage, like A-T-and-fucking-T? No, not going to happen. So I fail to see the advantage of even mentioning that we is under a time restriction. Best I could figure, she was impatient, drunk, and unable to hold her motor mouth in check. So she just verbalized what every WG is thinking, it's just that all the other WGs I have been with had more sense than to tell me to hurry the fuck up and finish because she has places to be.

So with that settled, and the sour taste still in my mouth, I decided to switch the taste to something significantly sweeter. I pulled her legs up and took a good look at them. Boy, I now realized just how thick they were. I ran my hands over them and they were much too thick for me to even hold properly. They were solid, heavy, mahogany-like pieces of architecture. Her knees were as thick as my own knees, and I was at least 6 inches taller than her, and probably a good 25-30 pounds heavier (I think she was around 5'4" and 120 pounds). Her calves were also thick, but they were very, very shapely. That is, the ankle was slender, the calf muscle widened gently, and then widened some more, and then even some more, into a thick tuber-like appendage, ready for my groping and oral manipulations. I kissed and sucked her calves for a few moments, but this was not nearly as pleasurable as the diamond from the night before. Her skin was not as smooth, her bones and muscle were really just very. . . Dense, and her legs were just too thick for me. I [B]never[/B] thought I would say such a thing, but there it is.

[B]Upper Left, Right Hook, the Champ Goes Down[/B]

I took a look at her pussy and thought it would be really nice to suck the living cum out of that pretty, desert-like surface. But fuck, my tongue could barely move enough to talk, let alone do any kind of DATY gymnastics, so I had to pass on that. So I pull off my towel and proffer little Kumbu to her for some warm-up oral action before the final rounds in this about. But she snarls her lips up to show me the metal works in her mouth, and she says 'No can do blow job, blaces no good. '.

Uh, yah, CAN do blow job, me had blow job before from lady with braces, daay. But may daay was the response. So her braces precluded the possibility of oral action, which is something I had not really thought about. Hmm, I wonder if those braces were just a prop. Some ingenious entrepreneur figured out a way to sell these girls prop braces that they can pop into their mouths and then use that as an excuse for not offering BJ. Boy, I've never had this happen to me before, where a girl just point-blank refuses to do a basic sex act. Hmm, I pondered kicking her to the curb, and just cutting my losses, but I could not do that. See, I was still stuck between her sexy legs, and you know how spell-bound I am when in such a compromising position, right?

And then she says to me (I am kidding you not), "You can finish quickly, chaay maay? I no like long time fucking, jep. Finish quickly, ok?

Oh come the fuck on girlfriend, you have got to be shitting me. This is no longer the alcohol speaking, this is your bullshit attitude. Kumbu is an eminently patient man, I think we can all agree, but service providers need to provide a service. Without said service there cannot be a service industry, since all payment will cease. I had to draw a line under this.

I stopped all movement, and looked at her, silently, without words. She yattered on for a moment or two longer before she realized there was something about to go down. She stopped and looked at me. "You ok? Arai na?

[B]The Champ beats the Count, the Cum Back Begins[/B]

I said nothing. Expressionless, I leaned in to her, looked her in the eyes directly, and whispered, "I want to have sex for more than one hour. Can you do? If no, you can leave now. " And I slowly lifted my hand and pointed to the door, all the while holding her eye gaze without any break. My face was neither angry nor happy, but just very emotionless, so there was no direct anger aimed towards her. It was a very serious, but matter-of-fact point I was making. The pause lasted a full 15 seconds (an eternity in such a situation), and she relented. The floodgates crashed open, and she suddenly was the epitome of good service.

She reached down and grabbed little Kumbu and started a gentle hand pump because he had lost his verve in this little kerfuffle, and then she said 'let me try' and she pops little Kumbu into her mouth. Hah, would you look at that!

Right?

But her skills were truly atrocious. She had no fucking clue what she was doing. She was sucking erratically, sometimes left to right, sometimes up and down, she was trying to swish her tongue around the head but she was just squishing tongue meat against the top of the head, right into the urethra. That actually kind of hurt, and I pulled back. She then tried to swirl her head around little Kumbu's head, but her head moved, and her lips and tongue remained steady, so there was no effect. It was comical how miscoordinated and ignorant she was at this most simple of activities. How can a woman, especially a WG at one of Bangkok's premiere sex institutes be so inept? I imagined this is what it would be like to get a blow job from a retarded girl. Oh those of you in the PC police, please shut the fuck up, I mean mentally disabled girl, ok? I dunno, this may have all been an act to show me that I should not ask for what she is not prepared to offer.

Hmm, undeterred, I moved on to the next stage. So I pulled out my condom. Here we go, Kumbu, this is your weapon of choice. This will do the trick. Let's get our first pussy fuck here, and let's make it count. As I sheathed little Kumbu, I whispered to him like the coach does to the fighter in the break before the 12th round. Come on champ, you can do this. She's there for you to take, don't lose focus now, this is yours to win.

Trojan donned, I lift myself onto my knees, survey her pussy beneath me, and plunge, like a river eagle going down for its prey, straight down into her pussy. Her pussy was dry, very dry, so dry in fact that I could barely get my head into her labia, much less into her vaginal canal. Nope, nothing happening here. So I bend over, slap my tongue all over her pussy. Ouch, double ouch, but this was not penetrative tonguing, but more like lubricating tongue swabbing. So I rub my tongue all over her lips, and as deep into her pussy as I could get my sore tongue to go, so she was all wet and welcoming. That little sucking was actually pretty lovely, to tell the truth. Perfectly smooth, soft pussy flesh is pretty yummy. I'm glad I got a chance to suck that little thing a little.

In goes little Kumbu, and I start gently. I have no desire to hear the words 'jep' pass this girl's lips, so I am extra gentle with her. Slowly does it little Kumbu. It's been a while since you've done the fucking job, but try to remember how it goes, ok? As I pumped very gently, I lay my head down on her chest and suckled one of those pert, ripe little cherries on top of her breasts. They were hard little fuckers, suggesting that this hard-as-nails girl was warming up to me.

Right on cue, she started to moan and gasp a little. But I kept my rhythm, not increasing, not slowing, just steady as you go. Hello fish (Plaa), meet Kumbu, he's my metronomic little friend. This continued for a good five minutes, with little wriggles here and there, but not much change. I then picked up the tempo just a tad, and she gasped in appreciation. We maintained that for another couple of minutes, and then I switched angles of penetration. This time rather than a more top-to-bottom angle, I started coming in from the bottom heading for the top of the vagina. I was hitting the roof of her vagina with the head of little Kumbu, and she was digging it. I did this for another five minutes.

Then I switched angles again, this time it was round and round entry, all at the same pace as before. And then another switch of angles to the zig-zag pattern. It was fun doing all these angles. I was being creative because I had decided this was going to be a long and unusual fucking session, just because our little fishy here had tried to short change me. You just learned a little about my character right there.

Eventually, we switched positions to her on her side, and me entering her from behind, spooning. Boy, her hips were so wide, they came up to the top of my shoulder. I. e. , her hips were as wide as my shoulders are. I'm not a particularly broad-shouldered man, but even still, those are some seriously wide hips. It was a mammoth turn-on to be groping those wide hips while I fucked, so much so that so I had to switch positions again.

She hopped onto me for some CG, which was great because I could get a good feel for her strong, solid ass. It was kind of overweight, but hey, cock in pussy, I am not going to complain. So we fucked, I groped, I sucked breasts, hmph, all was good with the world.

We switched back into missionary and went another 20 minutes or so until she eventually came. She slapped my shoulder and pushed me off her as she heaved and breathed. She had to catch her breath, and five minutes of small talk (which was rather unaggressive, I must say), and we went back to it to try to finish little Kumbu off. I could have gone on and on, truth be told, but I was so fucking tired, I decided it was time to get me some doggie. I pulled her up, and thankfully, she knew how to do doggie. She stuck her ass way up into the air, placed her breasts flat on the bed and arched her back tightly. Perfect. In goes little kumbu, pushing pussy lips aside, and contorting the shape of her little asshole, and bada bing, bada boom, fireworks begin. I explode in a sense of vigor, thrill, relief and inevitable melancholy. I collapse onto her, and she reaches around to do her best to hold me gently. We stayed there a moment, but only a moment, before she grabbed the base of little Kumbu, holding the condom on the shaft, and gently pulled him out.

Clean up, shower, kop khun kaaa, 2500 baht, "You no give me tip laaw? Goodnight, don't let the door slam your ass on the way out, lights out, asleep in under 30 seconds.

It may not have been your best showing but you picked yourself up off the canvas to win the match by points.

Great move by giving her a stern but unemotional talking to. You played that one masterfully and got off the ropes. . I will have to remember this little maneuver the next time I run into the same kind of situation.

Service is so hit and miss with the younger ones. Though I was lucky enough to pick up a very accommodating and super cute little 20 year old at Ibar last trip. As always, selecting the right girl is so damn important. And so tough to gauge with the gogo girls. That's why I like the FL scene better. It's easier for me to see if there is a rapport before taking her to the room and I almost always have a memorable time.

Any trip is bound to have its ups and down. And you emerged a winner. I look forward to reading the next report. I have a feeling you will be returning to Climax. 555.

[QUOTE=Joomani;1891776]Wasted 5 dollars last night going to Nana Bilboards. 60 girls not one even close to being pretty. I think more coyotes than barfinable prostitutes.

What's there monthly nut? Rent, utilities, fees to agencies, etc. The numbers just don't add up-how do these places stay in business. 9 pm very few lady drinks being bought, no barfines, grouchy looking customers, hahahaha.[/QUOTE]Interesting coinsidence to read a rare recent negative review of Billboard in Nana Plaza since the place has been getting lots of positive buzz after a change in management, philosphy or whatever. Coincidence because my buddy and I stopped in two nights ago prepared to spend some cash on Ladydrinks and barfines after not bothering to go there for several months just to see what was earning all the positive buzz and we were out of there within 5 minutes.

Perhaps if the girls had been gorgeous or if either one of us was feeling the least bit welcome or appreciated by one or two of them as we passed the bath tub scene and then the carousel stage on the way to our booth we might have stayed longer.

But the waitress' attitude was so pissy and condesending when we asked politely that our next drinks be tabulated on separate check bins as she placed our first drinks on the table and we saw she had combined our orders on one check, rolling her eyes, pointing at the itemized drinks and prices on the same tab, "teaching" us how to figure out who owes what as though we were the umpteenth mentally ill patients at the asylum she'd had to contend with by 10 pm, I just told her no problem we will settle up right now and leave. My buddy fully agreed. And that is what we did.

In and out within 5 minutes. No plan to return for another several months, if ever.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1891390]Scheduled a nice 2 hour session with Benz at SW..[/QUOTE]Quick question, what is SW?

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[QUOTE=Joomani;1891408]I still don't get it. On stage or off stage CH girls are just mediocre to average in looks.[/QUOTE]I agree. I think the reason it is more popular and more talked about is there is a much higher level of nudity at the club compared to elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1891930]I tired of this place quickly. I looked carefully at all the girls on stage, and there were so many of them, and there was so much jostling, I just could not get a good vibe going. Most of them were not my type: skinny legs, skinny little runt-like asses, and fake boobs. Not my deal at all. Moreover, the 3-4 of them who were much more Kumbu-worthy were showing me no love at all, and so I decided to bail after just 6-7 minutes.

I know Crazy House is a favorite of many on this thread, so let me say that it is definitely worth checking out. But it won't work for everyone, right? To each his own, and this one is not one of my own.[/QUOTE]Ok, I need to take this back, fellas. Or at least modify it. I just woke up from a night of crazy, dirty, repugnant PSE threesome sex that I had with girls from Crazy House. It was terrific, the whole thing, from the time in the bar (which was raunchy and dirty and very pleasurable) to the time in the room, which involved pussy-to-mouth action, something I've never done before. No time to write up the details yet, but they will come as soon as I write about the previous night.

Doom and Gloom for Bangkok's agogos. There are no replacements in the pipeline. I did a count last night (in my mind. Hahahaha) ID say more than half the girls on stage in Nana are either Transgenders or Coyotes.

I always take a peek into that Coyote bar next to Rainbow 4 and see many girls on stage and maybe 5 customers. I remember even a watered down Rainbow 4 being a cash cow. No more. How long can this last-financially?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1892055]<SNIP>
But the waitress' attitude was so pissy and condesending when we asked politely that our next drinks be tabulated on separate check bins as she placed our first drinks on the table and we saw she had combined our orders on one check, rolling her eyes, pointing at the itemized drinks and prices on the same tab, "teaching" us how to figure out who owes what as though we were the umpteenth mentally ill patients at the asylum she'd had to contend with by 10 pm, I just told her no problem we will settle up right now and leave. My buddy fully agreed. And that is what we did.

In and out within 5 minutes. No plan to return for another several months, if ever.[/QUOTE]I agree with your position on this ET except to say, with great respect to you, that you could have made your point a bit more strongly by asking to see the manager / owner / person-in-charge and told him / her why you were leaving after one drink.

I have been living and working in SE Asia for the past 20 years (primarily in Philippines but elsewhere too) and I have learned that we can actually make a difference to the way things are done by politely and respectfully asking to see a manager and pointing out the rudeness, faults or silly procedures etc that some of these places have. Complaining to a cashier or waitress or shop attendant makes not one scrap of difference to anything as they simply shrug and don't care about what we say or think as it is not affecting their income. In many cases the manager etc also doesn't give a shit either but occasionally you get a result. If the girl gets into trouble then too bad. If she is allowed to continue being rude, then others will also suffer the same as you.

I have a list of examples where I have actually CHANGED a procedure in a service outlet by complaining about the service quality AS WELL AS suggesting what might be done instead. Sometimes it doesn't take much extra effort to register a complaint. I have been surprised by the looks of amazement when I suggest they do something that is much more efficient and effective and they simply had not thought about it at all before because nobody had ever said anything. Filipinos never complain to authority figures, and I suspect Thais are the same.

[QUOTE=Hullabaloo;1892148]Quick question, what is SW?

[b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]There is a link labeled "[u]Abbreviations[/u]" in the menu bar at the top of this page. This will take you to the Forum's Glossary where you will find a chart with most of the Terms & Abbreviations used in the Forum. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/QUOTE]To answer your question, SW as used in the Thai threads of this Forum means either "Snow White" or "Suzie Wong" or probably less commonly "street walker " or "sex worker." The Terms and Abbreviations in the forum seem to not list "Snow White" or "Suzie Wong."

In the context of the post to which you seem to be referencing, it refers to Snow White, which is a PSE oily massage place located on Sukhumvit Soi 26. Suzie Wong is a go go bar in Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1892241]I agree with your position on this ET except to say, with great respect to you, that you could have made your point a bit more strongly by asking to see the manager / owner / person-in-charge and told him / her why you were leaving after one drink.

I have been living and working in SE Asia for the past 20 years (primarily in Philippines but elsewhere too) and I have learned that we can actually make a difference to the way things are done by politely and respectfully asking to see a manager and pointing out the rudeness, faults or silly procedures etc that some of these places have. Complaining to a cashier or waitress or shop attendant makes not one scrap of difference to anything as they simply shrug and don't care about what we say or think as it is not affecting their income. In many cases the manager etc also doesn't give a shit either but occasionally you get a result. If the girl gets into trouble then too bad. If she is allowed to continue being rude, then others will also suffer the same as you.

I have a list of examples where I have actually CHANGED a procedure in a service outlet by complaining about the service quality AS WELL AS suggesting what might be done instead. Sometimes it doesn't take much extra effort to register a complaint. I have been surprised by the looks of amazement when I suggest they do something that is much more efficient and effective and they simply had not thought about it at all before because nobody had ever said anything. Filipinos never complain to authority figures, and I suspect Thais are the same.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about taking our complaints to the management in the hope of actually making a difference. However, I must say in the case of Billboard in Nana Plaza doing so appears to be a waste of time. The fact is I had done exactly that several months earlier after a few visits, talked to the mamasans about one lousy barfine experience after another, multiple pissy attitudes from the servers, overall disinterest vibes from the girls, etc. I even had a long and candid conversation about it with one of the previous owners outside the premises once upon a time. Then I'd pop in, give it another try, found the same problems firmly in place as though no one had any problems at all other then me and moved on. Who knows, maybe it is just me, my buddy, and the fellow whose post prompted my response who have ever had a problem there. Actually, that is why I hadn't bothered to go there for several months and only went back in because I'd heard that there were big improvements taking place.

Not that I could tell.

In this case, I just didn't feel like "teaching" a mamasan or a manager, even if they were new ones and not the previous ones, how to improve this particular establishment since I was with a friend and we really didn't feel like prolonging the bad vibes Billboard was delivering to us on this night. Too many other places and much better girls to visit outside that Billboard curtain and down the steps to the lower levels of Nana Plaza. So that is where we headed as quickly as possible.

[QUOTE=Goatboy55;1892160]Re: Originally Posted by Joomani, "I still don't get it. On stage or off stage CH girls are just mediocre to average in looks."

I agree. I think the reason it is more popular and more talked about is there is a much higher level of nudity at the club compared to elsewhere.[/QUOTE]I think you are right about that. Last week, Thursday night, I went into Crazy House with a couple of friends and after a few minutes we all looked at each other and remarked that the line up in this bar would be below average for one of the lesser go-go bars around the corner or in Nana Plaza. We were there from about 8:30 pm to 10 pm, watching every shift, hoping things would improve as newer girls came in around 9 pm and 9:30 pm. Sure, there were two or three do-able girls, maybe one might think a couple of them were "hot". But the vast majority had thick ankles, tree trunk legs, rice bellies, dowdy faces and bad skin.

Yet, I have to say the instant we entered Crazy House I was still impressed by the wall of relatively young female flesh positioned brilliantly just at and above eye level as you walk in the door. Very impressive. That instant visual still has the power to persuade an interested party into thinking the place is full of rare gems, even when that is demonstrably not so.

Have you ever seen some of those Crazy House girls in plain clothes on their way to the bar at the beginning of their work night (in fairness, this could be asked about virtually any go-go bar girls)? The answer is in fact, yes, you have seen many of them on their way to work. The thing is neither you nor I would look twice at most of those ordinary or below average looking girls when they are in their regular street clothes, which might also be different garb than the clothes they wear on a barfine take-out. But, fully nude, standing at a high angle on a go-go bar stage with follies pink filtered light on them to help them look younger, fresher, ironing out the wrinkles and unsightly bulges, and suddenly we're talking "Showgirl!". LOL.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892202]Ok, I need to take this back, fellas. Or at least modify it. I just woke up from a night of crazy, dirty, repugnant PSE threesome sex that I had with girls from Crazy House. It was terrific, the whole thing, from the time in the bar (which was raunchy and dirty and very pleasurable) to the time in the room, which involved pussy-to-mouth action, something I've never done before. No time to write up the details yet, but they will come as soon as I write about the previous night.[/QUOTE]Woohoooo!

Can't wait to hear this one.

This always happens to me in Thailand after a sub par night. Somehow things turn aroudn the next night and I have the time of my life. That's why I love the place so much.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1892329]

Have you ever seen some of those Crazy House girls in plain clothes on their way to the bar at the beginning of their work night (in fairness, this could be asked about virtually any go-go bar girls)? The answer is in fact, yes, you have seen many of them on their way to work. The thing is neither you nor I would look twice at most of those ordinary or below average looking girls when they are in their regular street clothes, which might also be different garb than the clothes they wear on a barfine take-out. But, fully nude, standing at a high angle on a go-go bar stage with follies pink filtered light on them to help them look younger, fresher, ironing out the wrinkles and unsightly bulges, and suddenly we're talking "Showgirl!". LOL.[/QUOTE]Whether or not you find the girls attractive is always so subjective. It's really hard to generalize as our tastes and what imperfections in a girl we will tolerate or not vary so much.

For me 90% of the girls at all of the gogos are mediocre / average. In my eyes, what separates a good from a bad gogo is that there will be a handful of girls that I like and maybe one or two that I find to be real stunners.

The few times I have been to CH I found it to be much better than most.

For my tastes Rainbow (or whatever they call themselves these days) and What's Up in Pattaya have the prettiest girls. But the girls there are less friendly and outgoing than the girls CH and I am always afraid they may turn out to be starfish. Though I have had pretty good luck so far in finding a good girl at both.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1892347]Whether or not you find the girls attractive is always so subjective. It's really hard to generalize as our tastes and what imperfections in a girl we will tolerate or not vary so much.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. And in my next-to-next report, I will describe how it happened to me, where on one night the girls were butt ugly, and the very next night, the girls were stunningly good. Part of that was the actual lineup, part of that was the mood I was in, and part of that was where I ended up sitting on both nights. Details to follow.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1892347]For my tastes Rainbow (or whatever they call themselves these days) and What's Up in Pattaya have the prettiest girls. [/QUOTE]There was some chatter on the Pattaya thread a few weeks ago that What's Up was far over-priced, or something like that. What are your thoughts on that?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1892347]
The few times I have been to CH I found it to be much better than most.
[/QUOTE]I would have said the same thing up until a couple of months ago. Except that up until that time I had been there quite a bit more often than a few times.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1892309]I agree with you about taking our complaints to the management in the hope of actually making a difference. However, I must say in the case of Billboard in Nana Plaza doing so appears to be a waste of time. The fact is I had done exactly that several months earlier after a few visits, talked to the mamasans about one lousy barfine experience after another, multiple pissy attitudes from the servers, overall disinterest vibes from the girls, etc. I even had a long and candid conversation about it with one of the previous owners outside the premises once upon a time. Then I'd pop in, give it another try, found the same problems firmly in place as though no one had any problems at all other then me and moved on. Who knows, maybe it is just me, my buddy, and the fellow whose post prompted my response who have ever had a problem there. [/QUOTE]That's cool.

You tried to help them and, as often happens, nobody takes any notice and so the bar gets bad reviews on boards like this (as it should).

The main point of my post was to help guys realize that yelling at the monkey won't do any good; you have to go to the organ-grinder.

Of course, that doesn't always get results either.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892351]

There was some chatter on the Pattaya thread a few weeks ago that What's Up was far over-priced, or something like that. What are your thoughts on that?[/QUOTE]That is 100% true. And they don't offer much int the way of interaction naughtiness (like they do at CH, for example)
But the girls there are so god damn hot!

In this post, I describe my repeat performance with the Diamond from Monday night, the girl I picked up at Climax. This one has a twist at the end you don't want to miss.

* * * * *.

Wednesday morning, I woke up, my tongue was still swollen at the base, at the bottom where those little stringy things attach to the lower part of the mouth. My almighty tongue-insertion from Monday night was still biting me in the ass, but every time I twinged with pain from the tongue, it reminded me of that scene: gaping open mouth, lips clasping clit and butthole, tongue protruding to the max into Diamond's well of eternity. Mmmm.

That had been two nights before. The immediately preceding night, Tuesday night, I had spent with the rather gruff, strong-legged Plaa of the esteemed Bacarra establishment of Soi Cowboy. I won't be repeating, even though in the end I did get a very lengthy and pleasurable fuck out of it. But the hassle I endured before hand makes the whole thing not worth repeating.

Between the hunting, the negotiating, the fucking, the sucking, and the tongue-busting on one hand, and the lack of proper sleep and constant work during the day on the other hand, I was beat. I was physically and mentally spent. A grand total of five hours of sleep since Sunday morning, and it was now Wednesday morning, that is not enough to sustain a normal human being. If I had been sleeping this poorly back home, I would be sick within 24 hours, but for some reason, there was something keeping me fit, energetic and strong. Hmm, what ever could it be?

So during the day, I was tired, lethargic, and slow witted. I wanted to be more enthusiastic about the evenings escapades, but I just could not muster the energy. I wanted to go back to Climax, and I also wanted to sample Mixx. But those places require late nights. You can't be done by 1 am since that's the time you actually start. So assuming the most expeditious of evenings, I could conceivably be done with the hunt, pickup, return to hotel, penis-to-vagina battle, draining of little Kumbu, and into bed by 3 am. I would have to wake up at 7:30 am, and it pained me to think that sleep was trumping sex at this point. In fact, there was absolutely no signs of life within little Kumbu. He had turtled, was asking to be left alone while pointing to the Do Not Disturb sign hanging by the balls. He just wanted to be by himself.

So following afternoon coffee, my brain picked up a little and I managed to eek out a little bit of higher-order thinking. I slowly hatched a plan, and began to execute it, one that would allow me to have some guaranteed superb sex, and one that would allow me to sleep tonight like the baby that I am.

I texted Diamond and asked her what her plans for the night were. Nothing was the reply. I asked if she wanted to come see me tonight. Yes was the response. What time? I told her I would text when I was close to my hotel. She enthused on the idea of seeing me, and told me that when I texted, she just got done exercising. What was she doing, I asked? Squats was the answer. BING! Little Kumbu was fully erect in an instant, Do Not Disturb sign in tatters. The thought of that ass squatting, those legs flexing, her crack flaring, holy bejeezus, that's all I needed. The rest of the afternoon, I was high on endorphins fueled by the imaginary scene of Diamond, butt naked, squatting over and over on top of my delighted face.

I did not get back to the hotel until 8 pm, so I texted her to come at 9:30. She replied "Ok kaa". I did the regular shitting, showering, shaving, etc. And just as I was getting done, 9:15 pm actually, she texted me saying she was in the lobby. Eager, is she? I went down to retrieve my little play thing for the night, and when I saw her, I knew my plan was the right one.

She was wearing a skin-tight one piece black dress, the kind that reveals every curve, and leaves the legs bare. And black, in contrast to the flesh of her exposed thighs, well that was an excellent wardrobe choice she made. Her vermilion lipstick, I could do without, since it kind of looked garish and over-done, but so long as its not on her ass, I'm cool with it.

We went straight up, and as soon as the door was closed she jumped into my arms. I held her ass as her legs wrapped around me and we hugged and giggled. She tried to come in for a kiss, but I don't generally do that kind of thing, so it fell flat. I tossed her onto the bed and we chatted for a while.

This time I won't bore you with the details leading up to the sex, since it was almost a carbon copy of Monday night. I worked that little clit for about an hour this time before I decided to call it a night. She was enjoying it much like the other night, but she just wasn't getting over the hill. I asked her earlier why she had not finished the last time, and she shyly said that it is hard for her. She has not had that many orgasms in her life, and they tend to happen when she least expects them, like when she is doing leg-lifts in the gym. Hmm, I need to get me a gym membership. So that was her way of telling me not to worry. I wasn't worried, since it was all good for me.

Anyway, we talked for a few minutes more, letting things settle down a little, and then on goes the condom. I bring my own condoms from the States (Trojan unlubricated), and because of that, I often run into the problem of friction. And I don't carry lube, and she had no lube. She was a little wet still from the DATY I had finished 15 minutes ago, but that wetness was actually deeper within her pussy. So I gently inserted my fingers into her pussy, pulled out some of that thick gel and rubbed it around the opening of her pussy. In goes little Kumbu, and we are off to the races.

Missionary, switching angles and speeds, doing my whole regular thing, and this all lasted 10 minutes or so. We then switched to spooning, and this lasted only a few minutes since I would easily have exploded if I did it any more. So back to missionary, which I can basically do for as long as I like without cuming. So we did that for a good long time, and she kept getting close, but never actually finishing. But she was getting really worked up, and at some point as I am deep in concentration trying to get little Kumbu into a tight corner in the top right of her vaginal canal, she surprises me with a deep, wet, open mouth, full-tongued kiss. It was the thing of utter passion, and while some of you really dig this, I find it very, very disjointed. For me, this is about sex and pleasure, whereas kissing is about love and tenderness. I get the tenderness part, but the love ain't there. And when I kiss someone I don't love, it's ok for it to be dry on the lips, but when we get in to holding someone's oral organ in your mouth, that's got to be some intimate shit. And I'm not there, simple as that. But she was in to it, and despite me pulling back just a little, she kept grabbing me and forcing the issue. I let her have her way with my mouth for a while, but after just a few minutes of this, I needed it to stop.

And at this point, I was tiring with all the copulation, and so was she, so I decided to end it.

She did the flip, pointed her beautiful, round ass all the way up at the ceiling, and I watched as her ass cheeks fell away from her body. It was delicious and gorgeous, like watching water fall from a waterfall, just a sheer beauty of nature. There was her pert little butthole pointing straight up at 12 o'clock, and her pussy, gaping ever so slightly, just beneath it. I had to stand up to get little Kumbu directed into the pussy, and as soon as I entered, I knew this would last only 20 seconds, and I would explode like never before. And so it was. A serious release, a massive convulsion within my loins, and I felt the muscles squeeze violently to get every drop of cum the fuck out of my body.

We crashed together down onto the bed, and we stayed there for a few minutes breathing. I was so fucking tired, my eyes were closing already. I got up, cleaned up, and then she did, and then she started to get into the bed. Whoa, what is she doing? I need to sleep. So I told her, to her great disappointment, that it would be better for her to leave. She climbed on top of me and we lay there for a moment or two. She says 'You go Soi Cowboy now?' What? No, I am going to sleep!

And then it happened.

She looked at me in the eyes and said "If you go with another girl, I will. . . " and she made the universal sign of 'slit your throat'. I paused, looking at her wide-eyed and unbelieving. What just happened? I said "what?

And she doubles down. She says "You go with another girl at gogo bar or at Climax, I will kill you, for sure. " And she said this with a smile, too.

And like that, my delight and pleasure turned to grief and disappointment. Such a good thing, such a warm event, such an invigorating experience, all spoiled by this most cruel turn of events. I think it is the gentle persuasions of Kumbu that does it. I am indeed a softer kind of monger, and that is both my charm and my fatal flaw. The WGs are attracted to it because it is far easier to handle 100 Kumbus in a night than 1 really rough falang with a dick of steel and 19 hours of fuck-time ahead of him. So they prefer the feather touch over the hammer blow, any day of the week. But that same gentleness gives off a whiff of vulnerability, and what does one do with a vulnerable individual? You capture them, of course. Far too often, my really good sexual escapades have segued into attempted boyfriend-girlfriend-sponsor territory. I've never actually done the whole sponsor thing, and I hope indeed never to go down that lane. But it seems I get a lot of attempts to solidify a relationship into something more long term, and exclusive (at least on my end). Every time this has happened, I have given a solid 'no' response. But this time, I was so fucking tired, I wavered, and as such, she did not get a firm no from me.

I was so desperately tired, I could not deal with this. I said something like 'That's a scary thing to say, and I'm sure you are joking, but it's time to leave' And off she went, but as she left, and I was closing the door, just before the door slammed shut, she looked back at me and made the throat-slit sign to me. Fatal Attraction, Thai style.

So yah, that's the end of that then.

Tomorrow, I describe my raunchy, disgusting, embarrassing and utterly thrilling run at a threesome with some pretty ugly girls from Crazy House. I can't believe I sunk so low. . .

I read in Stickman several weeks ago that Billboard was bought by an American couple within the last year or so and strived to improve many things previously lacking in this go-go. According to Stick, they have done a pretty good job improving the overall ambience there and are very customer oriented.

Perhaps certain posters who have experienced bad experiences there are not taking their complaints to the right people and need to move up the food chain.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892410]In this post, I describe my repeat performance with the Diamond from Monday night, the girl I picked up at Climax. This one has a twist at the end you don't want to miss.

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Wednesday morning, I woke up, my tongue was still swollen at the base, at the bottom where those little stringy things attach to the lower part of the mouth. My almighty tongue-insertion from Monday night was still biting me in the ass, but every time I twinged with pain from the tongue, it reminded me of that scene: gaping open mouth, lips clasping clit and butthole, tongue protruding to the max into Diamond's well of eternity. Mmmm.

That had been two nights before. The immediately preceding night, Tuesday night, I had spent with the rather gruff, strong-legged Plaa of the esteemed Bacarra establishment of Soi Cowboy. I won't be repeating, even though in the end I did get a very lengthy and pleasurable fuck out of it. But the hassle I endured before hand makes the whole thing not worth repeating.

Between the hunting, the negotiating, the fucking, the sucking, and the tongue-busting on one hand, and the lack of proper sleep and constant work during the day on the other hand, I was beat. I was physically and mentally spent. A grand total of five hours of sleep since Sunday morning, and it was now Wednesday morning, that is not enough to sustain a normal human being. If I had been sleeping this poorly back home, I would be sick within 24 hours, but for some reason, there was something keeping me fit, energetic and strong. Hmm, what ever could it be?

So during the day, I was tired, lethargic, and slow witted. I wanted to be more enthusiastic about the evenings escapades, but I just could not muster the energy. I wanted to go back to Climax, and I also wanted to sample Mixx. But those places require late nights. You can't be done by 1 am since that's the time you actually start. So assuming the most expeditious of evenings, I could conceivably be done with the hunt, pickup, return to hotel, penis-to-vagina battle, draining of little Kumbu, and into bed by 3 am. I would have to wake up at 7:30 am, and it pained me to think that sleep was trumping sex at this point. In fact, there was absolutely no signs of life within little Kumbu. He had turtled, was asking to be left alone while pointing to the Do Not Disturb sign hanging by the balls. He just wanted to be by himself.

So following afternoon coffee, my brain picked up a little and I managed to eek out a little bit of higher-order thinking. I slowly hatched a plan, and began to execute it, one that would allow me to have some guaranteed superb sex, and one that would allow me to sleep tonight like the baby that I am.

I texted Diamond and asked her what her plans for the night were. Nothing was the reply. I asked if she wanted to come see me tonight. Yes was the response. What time? I told her I would text when I was close to my hotel. She enthused on the idea of seeing me, and told me that when I texted, she just got done exercising. What was she doing, I asked? Squats was the answer. BING! Little Kumbu was fully erect in an instant, Do Not Disturb sign in tatters. The thought of that ass squatting, those legs flexing, her crack flaring, holy bejeezus, that's all I needed. The rest of the afternoon, I was high on endorphins fueled by the imaginary scene of Diamond, butt naked, squatting over and over on top of my delighted face.

I did not get back to the hotel until 8 pm, so I texted her to come at 9:30. She replied "Ok kaa". I did the regular shitting, showering, shaving, etc. And just as I was getting done, 9:15 pm actually, she texted me saying she was in the lobby. Eager, is she? I went down to retrieve my little play thing for the night, and when I saw her, I knew my plan was the right one.

She was wearing a skin-tight one piece black dress, the kind that reveals every curve, and leaves the legs bare. And black, in contrast to the flesh of her exposed thighs, well that was an excellent wardrobe choice she made. Her vermilion lipstick, I could do without, since it kind of looked garish and over-done, but so long as its not on her ass, I'm cool with it.

We went straight up, and as soon as the door was closed she jumped into my arms. I held her ass as her legs wrapped around me and we hugged and giggled. She tried to come in for a kiss, but I don't generally do that kind of thing, so it fell flat. I tossed her onto the bed and we chatted for a while.

This time I won't bore you with the details leading up to the sex, since it was almost a carbon copy of Monday night. I worked that little clit for about an hour this time before I decided to call it a night. She was enjoying it much like the other night, but she just wasn't getting over the hill. I asked her earlier why she had not finished the last time, and she shyly said that it is hard for her. She has not had that many orgasms in her life, and they tend to happen when she least expects them, like when she is doing leg-lifts in the gym. Hmm, I need to get me a gym membership. So that was her way of telling me not to worry. I wasn't worried, since it was all good for me.

Anyway, we talked for a few minutes more, letting things settle down a little, and then on goes the condom. I bring my own condoms from the States (Trojan unlubricated), and because of that, I often run into the problem of friction. And I don't carry lube, and she had no lube. She was a little wet still from the DATY I had finished 15 minutes ago, but that wetness was actually deeper within her pussy. So I gently inserted my fingers into her pussy, pulled out some of that thick gel and rubbed it around the opening of her pussy. In goes little Kumbu, and we are off to the races.

Missionary, switching angles and speeds, doing my whole regular thing, and this all lasted 10 minutes or so. We then switched to spooning, and this lasted only a few minutes since I would easily have exploded if I did it any more. So back to missionary, which I can basically do for as long as I like without cuming. So we did that for a good long time, and she kept getting close, but never actually finishing. But she was getting really worked up, and at some point as I am deep in concentration trying to get little Kumbu into a tight corner in the top right of her vaginal canal, she surprises me with a deep, wet, open mouth, full-tongued kiss. It was the thing of utter passion, and while some of you really dig this, I find it very, very disjointed. For me, this is about sex and pleasure, whereas kissing is about love and tenderness. I get the tenderness part, but the love ain't there. And when I kiss someone I don't love, it's ok for it to be dry on the lips, but when we get in to holding someone's oral organ in your mouth, that's got to be some intimate shit. And I'm not there, simple as that. But she was in to it, and despite me pulling back just a little, she kept grabbing me and forcing the issue. I let her have her way with my mouth for a while, but after just a few minutes of this, I needed it to stop.

And at this point, I was tiring with all the copulation, and so was she, so I decided to end it.

She did the flip, pointed her beautiful, round ass all the way up at the ceiling, and I watched as her ass cheeks fell away from her body. It was delicious and gorgeous, like watching water fall from a waterfall, just a sheer beauty of nature. There was her pert little butthole pointing straight up at 12 o'clock, and her pussy, gaping ever so slightly, just beneath it. I had to stand up to get little Kumbu directed into the pussy, and as soon as I entered, I knew this would last only 20 seconds, and I would explode like never before. And so it was. A serious release, a massive convulsion within my loins, and I felt the muscles squeeze violently to get every drop of cum the fuck out of my body.

We crashed together down onto the bed, and we stayed there for a few minutes breathing. I was so fucking tired, my eyes were closing already. I got up, cleaned up, and then she did, and then she started to get into the bed. Whoa, what is she doing? I need to sleep. So I told her, to her great disappointment, that it would be better for her to leave. She climbed on top of me and we lay there for a moment or two. She says 'You go Soi Cowboy now?' What? No, I am going to sleep!

And then it happened.

She looked at me in the eyes and said "If you go with another girl, I will. . . " and she made the universal sign of 'slit your throat'. I paused, looking at her wide-eyed and unbelieving. What just happened? I said "what?

And she doubles down. She says "You go with another girl at gogo bar or at Climax, I will kill you, for sure. " And she said this with a smile, too.

And like that, my delight and pleasure turned to grief and disappointment. Such a good thing, such a warm event, such an invigorating experience, all spoiled by this most cruel turn of events. I think it is the gentle persuasions of Kumbu that does it. I am indeed a softer kind of monger, and that is both my charm and my fatal flaw. The WGs are attracted to it because it is far easier to handle 100 Kumbus in a night than 1 really rough falang with a dick of steel and 19 hours of fuck-time ahead of him. So they prefer the feather touch over the hammer blow, any day of the week. But that same gentleness gives off a whiff of vulnerability, and what does one do with a vulnerable individual? You capture them, of course. Far too often, my really good sexual escapades have segued into attempted boyfriend-girlfriend-sponsor territory. I've never actually done the whole sponsor thing, and I hope indeed never to go down that lane. But it seems I get a lot of attempts to solidify a relationship into something more long term, and exclusive (at least on my end). Every time this has happened, I have given a solid 'no' response. But this time, I was so fucking tired, I wavered, and as such, she did not get a firm no from me.

I was so desperately tired, I could not deal with this. I said something like 'That's a scary thing to say, and I'm sure you are joking, but it's time to leave' And off she went, but as she left, and I was closing the door, just before the door slammed shut, she looked back at me and made the throat-slit sign to me. Fatal Attraction, Thai style.

So yah, that's the end of that then.

Tomorrow, I describe my raunchy, disgusting, embarrassing and utterly thrilling run at a threesome with some pretty ugly girls from Crazy House. I can't believe I sunk so low. . .[/QUOTE]Was this a freebie? If so then you did run the risk of her thinking it may lead somewhere. Next time, make sure you pay her and then there will be no confusion about it being strictly business. Just some friendly advice.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1892347]Whether or not you find the girls attractive is always so subjective. It's really hard to generalize as our tastes and what imperfections in a girl we will tolerate or not vary so much.

For me 90% of the girls at all of the gogos are mediocre / average. In my eyes, what separates a good from a bad gogo is that there will be a handful of girls that I like and maybe one or two that I find to be real stunners.

The few times I have been to CH I found it to be much better than most.

For my tastes Rainbow (or whatever they call themselves these days) and What's Up in Pattaya have the prettiest girls. But the girls there are less friendly and outgoing than the girls CH and I am always afraid they may turn out to be starfish. Though I have had pretty good luck so far in finding a good girl at both.[/QUOTE]Could be the avg. Agogo line-is so horrid that CH looks good in comparison. Hahahahaha. Tulips for ex, line-up is disgusting. SW equally disgusting. Sharks line-up passable. You get the picture. I can only imagine what Cactus Jacks girls look like. 50 year old hot girls?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1892465]Was this a freebie? If so then you did run the risk of her thinking it may lead somewhere. Next time, make sure you pay her and then there will be no confusion about it being strictly business. Just some friendly advice.[/QUOTE]Great report Kumbu. And good advice form BKKdog.

I hope you paid her before she left. Got to nip that BF-GF shit in the bud.

I never had a Thai girl give me the slit throat sign. 555. Something to aspire to. Kumbu my hero!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1892435]I read in Stickman several weeks ago that Billboard was bought by an American couple within the last year or so and strived to improve many things previously lacking in this go-go. According to Stick, they have done a pretty good job improving the overall ambience there and are very customer oriented.

Perhaps certain posters who have experienced bad experiences there are not taking their complaints to the right people and need to move up the food chain.[/QUOTE]Of course, it also depends on whether or not the complaint is something concrete enough to cite other than simply a bad omen in the mind of an experienced punter.

"You really ought to do something about your uninspiring line up", which might have been my and Joomani's "complaint" with regard to Billboard in Nana Plaza isn't exactly constructive or likely even necessary to complain about with management. I would assume they've got eyes, too. But go-go bars from Billboard to Crazy House generally need to take whoever shows up to apply and do the job. I doubt any managers actively try to weed out the better looking girls and only hire the frumps.

"Wouldn't it be better if some of your girls smiled back to a customer every now and then, especially when a new customer just enters the bar, instead of scowling and averting their eyes?", might be concrete enough for management to act on but then they run the risk of pressuring girls to pretend to be interested in a customer for whom they have zero intention of engaging other than his buying her a Lady Drink. Personally, I'd rather they be honest about their disgust for me from the stage rather than bullshit me into thinking otherwise through a Lady Drink or two. lol

Then there is the pissy server attitude. Well, that is also more a matter of tone that only the customer could percieve, not actual words or as blatant as doctoring a tab, "forgetting" to bring back the change or anything like that. So I think it works well as a bad omen for probable unpleasantness to come, which is how I took it with regard to Billboard, but not so well as anything worth spending 5 minutes complaining about to management.

My earlier complaints to management and mamasans about Billboard, the reason I stopped bothering to go there months before, was that it had seemed to me that the unfortunate culture of "Yes"-in-the-bar, but "No"-in-the-room had developed among the bargirls working there and taken hold of too many of them. Probably by word of mouth among the staff it had become the place to apply and work for girls whose overriding plan was to say "Yes" to whatever the customer asked of her should he pay her barfine to take her to his room but then fire up a whole new set of "No" restrictions the minute the door closed behind them in the room. And it had happened even with the supposedly "good and honest" girls the mamasan hand-picked and recommended for customers who had already been bitten by it in the place. That is how entrenched that particularly negative culture had become in the old Billboard.

And all along the way in those days, there was the pissy server attitude reflecting and foreshadowing that level of disrespect for the customer that the girls would later exhibit. In my experience, any bar or venue culture that regards the customer as a clueless boob is not usually confined only to the girls being taken out, it spreads to the servers, too.

But in this recent situation, I didn't really have anything very concrete or actionable to complain about. Less than inspiring line up? Little or no positive vibe when I entered and soon after I sat down? Not much there a manager can work with at an afternoon staff meeting. But the pissy server attitude was my third strike against them for that evening, not a major issue on its own by any means, but in context of what I had experienced at Billboard months earlier and what, based on her attitude, had likely not changed in the Billboard girls' culture even with the new owners, it was enough of a bad omen to get my butt out of there ASAP and move on to more promising territory.

[QUOTE=Joomani;1892529]Could be the avg. Agogo line-is so horrid that CH looks good in comparison. Hahahahaha. Tulips for ex, line-up is disgusting. SW equally disgusting. Sharks line-up passable. You get the picture. I can only imagine what Cactus Jacks girls look like. 50 year old hot girls?[/QUOTE]Ah, Joomani, I might recommend popping into Cactus Jacks some early evening to see if Goy is working the stage topless in all her glory. She is a young lady whose smoking hot body would outshine 99% of the girls in Crazy House even on one of their better lineup nights. And there is no cactus growing down there either! Might be one or two others there on occasion worth checking out as well.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1892465]Was this a freebie? If so then you did run the risk of her thinking it may lead somewhere. Next time, make sure you pay her and then there will be no confusion about it being strictly business. Just some friendly advice.[/QUOTE]I most definitely did pay her, sorry, forgot to mention that I paid her exactly what I paid her the last time, 2500 baht. Why would I take for free something that I can pay perfectly good money for? I've made that mistake before, several times, thinking that the Freebie is somehow a thing to aspire towards. But in each of the previous instances, it turned very girl-friendly-like in a hurry, and that is exactly the wrong thing. There are reasons I pay for this, and one of those reasons is to not get the throat-slit sign offered to me.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya]I never had a Thai girl give me the slit throat sign. 555. Something to aspire to. Kumbu my hero![/QUOTE]That's a record you must maintain, sir! I'll be your hero when I tell her that I DID fuck someone else, and then fuck her right there too, and live to tell you about it. But I suspect I will pussy out and just avoid her for the rest of my stay here. So that means no more Climax, and I hope she does not go over to Mixx any night this week. . .

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892749]I most definitely did pay her, sorry, forgot to mention that I paid her exactly what I paid her the last time, 2500 baht. Why would I take for free something that I can pay perfectly good money for? I've made that mistake before, several times, thinking that the Freebie is somehow a thing to aspire towards. But in each of the previous instances, it turned very girl-friendly-like in a hurry, and that is exactly the wrong thing. There are reasons I pay for this, and one of those reasons is to not get the throat-slit sign offered to me.

That's a record you must maintain, sir! I'll be your hero when I tell her that I DID fuck someone else, and then fuck her right there too, and live to tell you about it. But I suspect I will pussy out and just avoid her for the rest of my stay here. So that means no more Climax, and I hope she does not go over to Mixx any night this week. . .[/QUOTE]Why wouldn't you take something for free so you don't have to pay money for it? If it's there, then it's there. If it turns Girl-friendly-like who cares, just lie to them and tell them what they want to here. It doesn't mean you have to stick around. So enjoy the freebie and lead them on and go your own separate way.

[QUOTE=Joomani;1892529]Could be the avg. Agogo line-is so horrid that CH looks good in comparison. Hahahahaha. Tulips for ex, line-up is disgusting. SW equally disgusting. Sharks line-up passable. You get the picture. I can only imagine what Cactus Jacks girls look like. 50 year old hot girls?[/QUOTE]I would agree that overall looks in the P4 P scene have been in decline for some time and are now really hitting the skids. Most of the gals I see in the oilies are far worse than the gals I used to pull off the street for 500 Baht 15 years ago. And GoGos, with the exception of a few lookers here and there the choices are very limited and the money they want; sheesh! BG Soi 7 has become a hangout for grandmothers. It is grim beyond grim. Even the FLs at Thermae are not so pretty anymore. Can't really comment on the discos as I don't go hunting at 2 am. Was in Pattaya last weekend and I did not really find it any better. Perhaps the folks doing the hiring are blind?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1892767]I would agree that overall looks in the P4 P scene have been in decline for some time and are now really hitting the skids. Most of the gals I see in the oilies are far worse than the gals I used to pull off the street for 500 Baht 15 years ago. And GoGos, with the exception of a few lookers here and there the choices are very limited and the money they want; sheesh! BG Soi 7 has become a hangout for grandmothers. It is grim beyond grim. Even the FLs at Thermae are not so pretty anymore. Can't really comment on the discos as I don't go hunting at 2 am. Was in Pattaya last weekend and I did not really find it any better. Perhaps the folks doing the hiring are blind?[/QUOTE]I spent a fair amount of days in Patts and I found on certain nights the top gogos had numerous stunners, and then then the next night not so many.

In general I was very impressed w / the looks of the gogo girls. That doesn't include FLs, beer bar girls, or day time gentlemen clubs, no for the most part they are second tier hooker the lot of them. The top lookers are always in the top gogo bars consistently.

The problem is if you're not Asian (or maybe Brad Pitt?) they want nothing to do w / you. So the hottest women in the gogos will shun the westerners and go goo goo doll for the Koreans, Japanese, etc. Every night out this kind of discrimination occurs and occasionally one (stunner) will give you a smile. I'm talking Pattaya here.

I am a gogo bar guy, that's where I do my business. I found myself in the second tier gogo bars like Beach Agogo, Electric Blue Agogo and in LK Metro I like Champagne Agogo, I found Sugar Sugar to be worthy, and a few more in LK. I know there are many more good gogos in Patts that I need to check out.

The top gogos on WS like Sensations, Happy Agogo (so so this trip), and some I can't remember.

There was one night in Sensations (packed house) where I could not believe my eyes the pussy was so so fine. But the next night it was not the same, I didn't see the stunners I saw the night before.

In BKK at Crazy House, Baccarra there were plenty of really fuckable women, by fuckable I mean really fuckable. In the Thermae there was really hot young talent but they are only interested in Koreans, Japanese men. There were 3 westerners in the Thermae on my last night there out of 70 dudes. Out of 70 pussies standing around waiting for business 2 or 3 gave me a look and a smile.

My opinion of Thailand GFE is not fucking good when dealing w / stunners, or for that matter 2nd tier women as well. They all have too many fucked up rules and time limits. I did not enjoy my 4 weeks in Thailand like I thought I would. I don't like rules unless they're my rules.

If you're a buyer of pussy it's a sellers market in BKK and Pattaya. But they have tons (and TONS) of hot looking nice pussy there.

The week I spent in the PI saved my trip. So basically I don't agree w / you bro and thought the market place was full of quality but extremely short on service.

My 2 baht. The photo is not mine but what I believe an Asian stunner to look like.

[QUOTE=Acenase;1892752]Why wouldn't you take something for free so you don't have to pay money for it? If it's there, then it's there. If it turns Girl-friendly-like who cares, just lie to them and tell them what they want to here. It doesn't mean you have to stick around. So enjoy the freebie and lead them on and go your own separate way.[/QUOTE]That was my thinking about 8 years ago too. But it turns out there is a serious social network amongst these girls. Once you are tagged as one girl's property, there is no way on this planet you are getting it on with anyone else from her social circle. And the social circle is a series of concentric circles, gradually getting looser and looser, but it covers a lot of girls.

Example: I once went the freebie route with a girl in Climax, and it was super hot. I then returned to the States for 3 months, saying a heartfelt goodbye, and upon my return, I went straight into Climax. I had not told her that I was returning. I found one super smoker of a girl (I still remember how fucking hot she was, wearing cut-off short jean shorts, a skin tight halter top, ripped midsection, tight body, the works), and one thing lead to another, and she was grinding her ass into little Kumbu way off to the side of Climax. Then a girl who I don't recognize comes up to us, she looks me in the eye like I was a piece of shit, and then says something into my girl's ear, and leaves. This girl then turns to me and says something like "sorry, but you are with a girl called Tan, and I cannot be with you. " She turns around and walks off. And that was it for me in Climax on that trip. I had been blacklisted.

So if you lie to the girl, you need to be prepared to be banned from her social circle for a good long time until everything blows over. And that is why I gave up on the idea of freebies. They're good from an economic standpoint, but that money actually does buy you something beyond the sex. It is supposed to buy you protection from all this soap-opera bullshit, and for me, if that's what actually happens, it is totally worth spending the money.

Except in the current case, where I did pay my part of the deal, and she seems to be flaunting the rules of the game. You can't have exclusivity as well as payment. That's not our game, as far as I understand it. Regardless, no matter what, I cannot return to Climax. I'll have to wait a year or so, unfortunately. And that's why I said that I hope this girl does not go over to Mixx, since that seems to be the best alternative to Climax (though I have not been there yet).

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1892342]Woohoooo!

Can't wait to hear this one.

This always happens to me in Thailand after a sub par night. Somehow things turn aroudn the next night and I have the time of my life. That's why I love the place so much.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Uncle V. I have, however, come to rationalize this one too. After a sub-par night, your expectations are low and your determination to make a turn around is high. Under these favorable mongering conditions, most of us will go out and paint the town red and eventually have the time of our lives. I will unabashedly admit that often throwing more money at the problem tends to solve it.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892749]Why would I take for free something that I can pay perfectly good money for? I've made that mistake before, several times, thinking that the Freebie is somehow a thing to aspire towards. But in each of the previous instances, it turned very girl-friendly-like in a hurry, and that is exactly the wrong thing. There are reasons I pay for this, and one of those reasons is to not get the throat-slit sign offered to me.[/QUOTE]A wise man once said "You pay them to leave".

Another version (probably for the more discrete mongers) "You pay them for their silence".

I have had several such "jealous" girls try their stunts but they are always met by an expressionless reply from me "Man butterfly".

[QUOTE=Acenase;1892752]Why wouldn't you take something for free so you don't have to pay money for it? If it's there, then it's there. If it turns Girl-friendly-like who cares, just lie to them and tell them what they want to here. It doesn't mean you have to stick around. So enjoy the freebie and lead them on and go your own separate way.[/QUOTE]With women you always pay in the end. Be it financially, emotionally, or with your time and reputation. Chances are you are not really saving anything with a so called "freebie".

[QUOTE=Acenase;1892752]Why wouldn't you take something for free so you don't have to pay money for it? If it's there, then it's there. If it turns Girl-friendly-like who cares, just lie to them and tell them what they want to here. It doesn't mean you have to stick around. So enjoy the freebie and lead them on and go your own separate way.[/QUOTE]Reminded of a scene from The Last Detail.

Meadows: If you're Catholic, do you think it's, uh, sacrilegious to chant?

Buddusky: Did it get you laid?

Meadows: No.

Buddusky: Then Meadows, what the fuck do you want to go on chanting for?

Mulhall: Chant your ass off, kid. But any pussy you get in this world, you going to have to pay for, one way or another.

Buddusky: Hallelujah!

Bangkok is famous for its nightlife. From high end clubs, sky bars for smaller or bigger wallets, to backpacker cafes and the infamous agogo bars, you can all find it in the city. Not so long ago the American branch of Hooters also opened in Bangkok and they now have two locations in the city on Sukhumvit soi 15 and 4.

[URL]https://youtu.be/OrFpbYwXhTo[/URL]

[QUOTE=AsianVid;1892873]Bangkok is famous for its nightlife. From high end clubs, sky bars for smaller or bigger wallets, to backpacker cafes and the infamous agogo bars, you can all find it in the city. Not so long ago the American branch of Hooters also opened in Bangkok and they now have two locations in the city on Sukhumvit soi 15 and 4.

[URL]https://youtu.be/OrFpbYwXhTo[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for letting me know this. Wow, I will hop on a plane and get right over.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892790]That was my thinking about 8 years ago too. But it turns out there is a serious social network amongst these girls. Once you are tagged as one girl's property, there is no way on this planet you are getting it on with anyone else from her social circle. And the social circle is a series of concentric circles, gradually getting looser and looser, but it covers a lot of girls.

Example: I once went the freebie route with a girl in Climax, and it was super hot. I then returned to the States for 3 months, saying a heartfelt goodbye, and upon my return, I went straight into Climax. I had not told her that I was returning. I found one super smoker of a girl (I still remember how fucking hot she was, wearing cut-off short jean shorts, a skin tight halter top, ripped midsection, tight body, the works), and one thing lead to another, and she was grinding her ass into little Kumbu way off to the side of Climax. Then a girl who I don't recognize comes up to us, she looks me in the eye like I was a piece of shit, and then says something into my girl's ear, and leaves. This girl then turns to me and says something like "sorry, but you are with a girl called Tan, and I cannot be with you. " She turns around and walks off. And that was it for me in Climax on that trip. I had been blacklisted.

So if you lie to the girl, you need to be prepared to be banned from her social circle for a good long time until everything blows over. And that is why I gave up on the idea of freebies. They're good from an economic standpoint, but that money actually does buy you something beyond the sex. It is supposed to buy you protection from all this soap-opera bullshit, and for me, if that's what actually happens, it is totally worth spending the money.

Except in the current case, where I did pay my part of the deal, and she seems to be flaunting the rules of the game. You can't have exclusivity as well as payment. That's not our game, as far as I understand it. Regardless, no matter what, I cannot return to Climax. I'll have to wait a year or so, unfortunately. And that's why I said that I hope this girl does not go over to Mixx, since that seems to be the best alternative to Climax (though I have not been there yet).[/QUOTE]I love your stories mate but come on. Money talks and if you had of flashed 4 or 5 k her way, assuming she was as hot as you say, I think her loyalty to that circle would be forgotten.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1892767]I would agree that overall looks in the P4 P scene have been in decline for some time and are now really hitting the skids. Most of the gals I see in the oilies are far worse than the gals I used to pull off the street for 500 Baht 15 years ago. And GoGos, with the exception of a few lookers here and there the choices are very limited and the money they want; sheesh! BG Soi 7 has become a hangout for grandmothers. It is grim beyond grim. Even the FLs at Thermae are not so pretty anymore. Can't really comment on the discos as I don't go hunting at 2 am. Was in Pattaya last weekend and I did not really find it any better. Perhaps the folks doing the hiring are blind?[/QUOTE]You should head over to Amsterdam massage one of these days, they don't seem to have that problem. Climax is hit or miss on any given night, Nana and Soi Cowboy the same. Insanity and Thermae are getting old. I have forgotten about Mixx but I'm sure it's still full of Thai girls home from their working stints in Singapore, HK, and Malaysia, asking for the same money as they got over there. Now I prefer Sephan Kwai or less touristy spots. Plenty of hot ladies to be found in the BKK P4 P scene. Ramintha, Lat Phrao, Ratchada, Thonglor, amd RCA are refreshing changes.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1892767]I would agree that overall looks in the P4 P scene have been in decline for some time and are now really hitting the skids. Most of the gals I see in the oilies are far worse than the gals I used to pull off the street for 500 Baht 15 years ago. And GoGos, with the exception of a few lookers here and there the choices are very limited and the money they want; sheesh! BG Soi 7 has become a hangout for grandmothers. It is grim beyond grim. Even the FLs at Thermae are not so pretty anymore. Can't really comment on the discos as I don't go hunting at 2 am. Was in Pattaya last weekend and I did not really find it any better. Perhaps the folks doing the hiring are blind?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1887349]Right! And more mongers need to do that. Move on. We are always reading about mongers complaining how things have changed, and they are not to their liking, and the conclusion is that the location is not as good as it once was. They blame the problem on the situation, but I think the problem is with the mongers, who can't move on. They seem stuck in the same habit and they keep expecting the same results. Problem is that they are chasing their past. Same thing on the other forums: Sosua, Colombia, the German FKK thread. Mongers complain about the places not being like they remember them, and they complain of dissatisfaction and disappointment. I think they would avoid this disappointment if they could just try something different.

I don't mean to brag, but this past year, since my divorce last June has been a great year. I went to Berlin (my first visit to Europe in over a decade) and had some great mongering experiences in Berlin, as well as reconnecting with an old friend. Last month, I went to Medellin and had a great time there. Honestly, I would love to visit these places again. Medellin in particular is inexpensive to fly to (thanks to Spirit Airlines), it isn't a long journey and the mongering costs are dirt cheap. But, I think I would benefit from trying something new. As I mentioned earlier, I visited an old friend in Berlin. I asked if I could come back for a visit soon. He said "Sure, but you should really visit Asia first. " I didn't argue with him. So I am planning a trip to the LOS in the fall. I have little doubt I will have a blast. So what if some mongers don't like what it is now. What impact will that have on my visit? None! It will all be new to me. That said, all of you Thailand enthusiasts might consider a different continent with a different language. The Dominican Republic, Peru or maybe even Brazil (their currency has seriously devalued in recent years). Keep trying new things and you won't be too disappointed.[/QUOTE]Now this is the best advice for all of us, including me when I feel negative or get bored of the places or the girls seem ugly.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1892897]I love your stories mate but come on. Money talks and if you had of flashed 4 or 5 k her way, assuming she was as hot as you say, I think her loyalty to that circle would be forgotten.[/QUOTE]In principle, maybe, but on that night, not a chance. You needed to be there to understand the severity of the situation. I was shut out, and the door was slammed. One thing I failed to mention was the the offended girl (Tan) was actually there in the crowd, so that made it harder for the hot girl to ignore the social pressure.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892932]In principle, maybe, but on that night, not a chance. You needed to be there to understand the severity of the situation. I was shut out, and the door was slammed. One thing I failed to mention was the the offended girl (Tan) was actually there in the crowd, so that made it harder for the hot girl to ignore the social pressure.[/QUOTE]I've got to tell you, I've been there and done that. I pushed right through and ushered the girl out the bar before her friends were the wiser. All you need to say is lets just go for some food and talk, then back to the bar. Before you know it, she will be in your bed going down on you. Just sayin!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1892937]I've got to tell you, I've been there and done that. I pushed right through and ushered the girl out the bar before her friends were the wiser. All you need to say is lets just go for some food and talk, then back to the bar. Before you know it, she will be in your bed going down on you. Just sayin![/QUOTE]You're a better reader of these situations that I am, obviously. It wasn't something I was able to do, but will concede that someone with your powers of persuasion could have pulled it off. Though this does not change my perspective on freebies, I also concede that they might be good for some people. Just not me.

In the haystack, that is. Looking for just the right girl in a gogo bar is like searching for that proverbial sliver of metal in the mass of dried grass. If you go into the endeavor with a very particular image of what you are looking for, and if you strictly hold yourself to that standard, you are in for a long, treacherous, perhaps painful, probably expensive process. I find it is better to go with the swing of things. See what Buddha, Karma, Jesus, Allah, Yehud, chance and inner psychology put before you on any given evening, and make your selection when the time feels right. That's my view on gogo bar hopping, at least.

But during the early part of Thursday night, I fell into the trap of looking for a very particular profile. It was somewhat frustrating, and in the end, my plan was blown out of the water like, well, like little Kumbu got blown out of the shower later that evening. Just to recap though, here is a synopsis of events since my arrival in BKK:

-Monday night, arrived, pulled Diamond from Climax. Super DATY, 2500 baht, plus expenses (LDs, etc.).

-Tuesday night, Soi Cowboy, Plaa from Bacarra, complains, but lengthy fuck in the end, 2500 baht, plus expenses.

- Wednesday night, repeat with Diamond, super sex, but erection-wilting death threat to end it all, 2500 baht, no extra expenses.

So tonight it was back to the gogo bars for me. As a synopsis, here is what happened. Feel free to skip to the section that most piques your interest.

-Doll House, 9:30 pm, harassed by Nam for LD, 430 baht expense.

- Shark, 10 pm, bought #9 LD, forget the cost.

- Midnite, 10:30 pm, bought Shirley a LD, super cute, total cost: 500 baht.

- Bacarra, 11:10 pm, no LD bought, 180 total cost.

- Crazy House, midnight-1 am, some sick shit (read: good) happened to me tonight.

Fatigue was once more high on my list of criteria for decision making tonight. I really wanted to go try Mixx tonight, but really, I need to compromise. Ostensibly, I am here for work, and I can't fuck that up, or else all future expense-paid visits to the City of Pleasure will cease, and then I truly will be in a world of hurt. So instead of clubbing it to 4 am, I decided to gogo-girl it until midnight or so, and then be done with the pleasuring part of the evening by 1:30 am or so. That would give me a sold 6 hours of sleep. Nice.

So I went to Soi Cowboy, and tonight I was looking for (what else?) legs again. And ass. And hips. And tight waistline. And with a smidgen of cuteness on the face. Oh, and hold the silicone, and the attitude, and the peroxide hair, and the high pitched screaming, and the incessant LD hustling. Yeah, that's what I want. What are the chances I will get it?

[B]Doll House[/B]

I arrived around 9:30 pm, and there were four girls on stage, all unfortunately shapen. They were solidly in the lower quartile of any man's rankings, irrespective of whose ocular perspective one beholds. But there were a couple of flecks of shining material in the corners of this dreary locale, and so I decided to sit and see what happens. There were perhaps 3 other customers in there, so I figured its early, might as well sit in a cool spot for a while as time catches up with me. As I sat down, a pretty thing comes on to stage. She had a pretty small chest, but the rest of her body was a solid 7. It was tight: she had a midsection that was worth the price of admission by itself (which was what again? She sported a nice, sexy six pack (not muscular, but just very toned), large hips and shapely legs, if not slightly on the soft side. I started the gogo eye-dance of seduction with her, which was subtle and slow.

But sadly too slow, for in the meantime, the predator that is Naam spied this blossoming romance and had to nip it in the bud. She walked over and started acting crazy, like 'what you look at? You klazi man! Why you so handsumm? Naa rak, ching ching naa rak', etc. , etc. Etc. She sat down on top of me and started to dry hump me. She reached down and started rubbing little Kumbu, while also grinding into me with her somewhat bony ass.

She smelled of stale cigarettes, and had hair that kept poking me in the eyes. Her back had little bumps (warts? Cigarette scars?) which lined up vertically and felt like rivets. I imagined that she was some kind of cybernetic organism, lady-like on the outside, but all machinery underneath. The rivets beneath her skin had been revealed in her last ass-grind with whatever poor sod preceded me, and her technicians (who oil her and check for mechanical problems) had failed to notice this. So here she / it was, going through routine #236.5 A with target 43.94 x. All algorithms predicted a success rate of LD-extraction of 93.7%, and a BF of a significantly lower 12.22%. As it was, the LD did arrive, and the BF did not, as target 43.94 x broke parameters and the routine crashed. On to Shark, Kumbu.

[B]Shark[/B]

This place was busting at the seams with delicious looking ladies on stage, jiggling, hustling, hip-shaking and eye-grabbing at absolutely frenetic speed. Things were just very caffeinated in this place, which was nice. I circled a full time before I could find a place to sit. I finally sat next to a very proper looking Asian gentleman who was carrying an umbrella. He looked very sophisticated, neither arrogant nor obtuse. He bought a LD for a very, very pretty little thing with peroxide hair, very tight small body, and an elegant face to match, but in the end he bailed on her, much to her chagrin. But she had a best friend, who for whatever reason believed I was with this most sophisticated of gents. My, I do declare, I am very flattered to be associated with him. Because of this, we shared a couple of words (he's from Hong Kong, Hi HK gent, if you are reading this, it's me, Kumbu, the brown guy you sat next to in Shark on Wed night).

Anyway, his girl's girlfriend, #9, was a very pretty thing in the face, but less spectacular elsewhere, as far as I could tell. She was a little too skinny for me, and perhaps a little long in the tooth too. But she had a real way with communicating, putting me totally at ease. Anyway, we chatted very nicely for a good 20 minutes, even after HK guy departed, and she eventually left me with no fuss and went on stage to dance. So I bailed, not seeing anything else that matched my desire.

[B]Midnite[/B]

The time was now 10:30 pm, and Soi Cowboy was in full swing. I went into Midnite, and as I entered, there were maybe 5 dancers on stage, and holy hell was this a nightmare. The girls had these chains hanging from the ceiling to hold on to. The chains had metal circles to hang on to, and they were dressed in some kind of black, goth motif. Not to be mean, but shit, the talent on display is an offense to the word talent. The girls themselves were like over-fed goblins, with fat, bulging, misshapen legs, bulging bellies hanging out of their waist straps, big hair, and grotesque faces. This was not plus-sized or thick, this was unhealthy and obese. I'm not kidding, the very first thing I thought when I digested this scene is that it looked like a scene out of a Clive Barker novel. There were none amongst them who I would do for free, let alone pay for the pleasure of being smothered beneath. So attention: those in need of some fattie loving, make your way to Midnite.

I walked in, and as I walked towards a table, slowly grasping the horror of my predicament, I did an about turn to exit immediately. Ah, but they had thought of that, and they sent in their super-secret special weapon. I turn around and I am met with the single most delightful thing I have seen all night. Holy shite, this little spinner is a sight for sore eyes. Her name, it turns out, is Shirley (how very Thai), with a tight little, very shapely body. Her legs are shapely but thin, her ass is round but small, her waist is tight and toned, her breasts look to be of the largish A variety, but proportionate for her body frame, but the killer was her face. She had a face of such symmetry and grace, it was just a pleasure to watch it. She smiled at me, and I felt my knees buckle. Ooy, I am smitten.

She urges me to sit and talk. Umm, ok Shirley. What else should I do? She suggests we have a drink together. Mama san arrives and I grin and blurt out something like "uh-hah, umm, she what drink needs, umm, something for her drink to now, yah. Uh-heeee. " We chat, or rather she talks while I gaze and admire. She's yacking on, and all I am thinking is "You're so lovely, Shirley. Can we be friends?" The drinks arrive, and we do a toast to the future, to success, to world peace and the eventual defeat of tyranny everywhere. And as the frigid beer cools my insides, I spy through the corner of my eye the ticket that had come with our drinks. I see the price of our two drinks, and it is 500 baht.

*COUGH*.

I spit up some beer. I also see the label next to her drink, and it is 'Coyote drink. '.

Oh Shirley, darlin', say it ain't so! You a coyote, girl? Ohhhh, why, why, why? Damn you gods of chance, why must you do this to me. I was grooving with this little lovely. I was ready for some lovely un-Kumbu-like hay rolling with a very smallish, super pretty little thing that would rock my world. Darn.

Reality set in like night time in November in New England: quickly, coldly and remorselessly. So I chilled, enjoyed the view of my spinner for a few moments longer. Meanwhile, one of the beasts on stage had lost her massive shoe, and she was trying to skulk-hobble off the stage. Have you ever seen an elephant that has lost one leg? Yah, that was my cue.

[B]Bacarra[/B]

Next, to Bacarra baby. Arrival time, 11:10 pm, and the goon directed me very politely to the side to pre-purchase a drink. I did so with no fuss, paid the 180 baht, and when I got in, I was left to my own devices. People have complained about this in the past, but I kind of like this system. No tip to worry about, no check-bin, you pay and then you're on your own, at least for a while. So I walked around with beer in hand and circled and circled until I found a spot downstairs. I was hesitant to go upstairs for fear of dealing with Plaa. She would certainly demand a LD, and I just did not feel like negotiating that complex face-offending situation tonight.

Downstairs, the talent was much, much better than the previous time I had come. There were many more girls on stage, with more energy. There were many more customers, so I guess that has something to do with it. There were two teams of girls: the red team and the black team. From the black team, I spied a super sexy girl, #182, who I would easily have BFed, but the vibe was no good. She was not interested in me, or anyone as far as I could tell, so I left well enough alone. In the red team, ditto with #247. And by the way, these numbers are so meaningless. Who on this board is going to remember those numbers, go scope them out, and then report any useful information back to the board. What would useful information even look like? I don't know. But I am providing the numbers just because that seems to be the custom here, so there you go.

While sitting in Bacarra, I did notice a couple of interesting things. First, if you sit for long enough without buying anything, they get pissed off at you. They say you need to buy another drink. I saw this happen to three different Asian dudes. (I somehow managed to avoid castigation). Second, I noticed that the Asian dudes were really being abused by the waitstaff. I could not comprehend why they were being so rude to these guys, and why the guys were taking it. For example, the guy next to me had a translator machine thingy, and he called a waitress over to ask her something, and he started typing his request into the machine. A moment after he starts typing, but before he finishes, someone else asks her to calculate the check bin for them. So she turns her attention to this other customer. Meanwhile, the translation guy finishes what he is typing, and puts the translator up so she can read it. What does she do? She grabs the translator without even looking at him, and forces it down and away from her sight, as if to say "Can't you numb-nuts SEE that I am busy? But the guy did nothing wrong really, except being a slightly slow typist. She should have waited and given him service, and had the other customer wait a moment while she dealt with this guy. Or dealt with the translator guy with just a little bit more humanity. Afterwards, knowing what a rectum she had been, she started joking with the guy about slapping his hand out of her face, like it was all good. But it was all rectum in my book.

And I saw at least two other examples of this rudeness, which was just galling. I say this because there is this perception on this board that Japanese guys get super preferential treatment at places like this, especially Bacarra. My guess is that if you ask the Japanese guys, they will tell you a different story.

It was past midnight now, and I was tiring. I had not found my needle in the haystack, so I decided I really needed to get my ass down to Mixx, despite my earlier plan. I thought I might drop by the hotel to pick up some more cash, just in case I needed it. I took soi 23 down, and just on a whim, I decided to do one last gogo, and it would be Crazy House.

[B]Crazy House[/B]

Recall that two nights ago, I had been here and I thought it was the dregs of all Bangkok. It was grimy, dirty, bright and over-stimulating. The girls were ugliness incarnate, and the guys in here seemed depressingly horny and degenerated. I did not enjoy myself at all, and so I'm not sure why I went back. I guess I am a sucker for redemption stories.

The reverse birth process began on the street as the invisible umbilical cord pulled me into the curtain. I emerged on the other side into the womb of utter debauchery and filth. I kid you not, just as I my head pushed through the curtain, meeting me in my face was a bent over, flared, open butt. The girl was bending over there, and all I could see was the moon she was offering the world. Welcome to hell-eaven Kumbu.

I scanned the room, and it was busier than the previous time. There were more girls on stage, more customers, and just more energy. Someone had just vacated a seat on the right side, not at the stage, but on the other side of the aisle from the stage. I took the spot immediately, and this was the key to my experience here tonight. I strongly urge you to try to find a spot where you can host a couple of dirty girls. Stools are for ogling, benches are for groping and fingering. Yup, words to live by.

First, I took a serious look at the girls on stage. I double-clicked on the Gaze of Kumbu, and after loading, the routine began running. I was pleasantly surprised. I think the mean rating that the routine returned upon completion was somewhere in the 5. 2 region, but the Standard Deviation was a whopping 4. 5! So it was a really flat and wide curve with great dispersion across the full scale. This means there were girls in the 1-2 range, girls in the 3-4 range, girls in the 5-6 range, girls in the 7-8 range and girls in the 9-10 range. And yes, I spied a couple of 10's in there.

One girl in particular, all the way on the other side of the stage, was OUT. OF. THIS. WORLD. Sorry to shout, but her body made me do it, I had no choice. She had the absolutely perfect apple-shaped ass with no flab or over-hang. It was set upon the most stunning, shapely legs I have seen in many a moon (even Diamond would be put to shame, I believe). Her skin was immaculate, though it is hard to tell in that neon light. Her breasts looked augmented, but it was a very tasteful job, not garish or obvious in any way. Her face was fine, not super like aforementioned Shirley, but fine. But let's not waste time wondering about this lovely since I never tasted that pleasure. Fate had other tastes in store for me.

As I watched, these two girls walked past me, hand-in-hand. The one in front was the cute one, and the one in the back was the one in charge. The one in charge leads from behind, and as they pass me, the leader takes their joint hands and leads it to me and places the two joined hands right in front of me, ready to shake.

I pondered this a moment. Accept the hand shake and you are out two LDs, Decline the shake, and you might as well pack up and go home right now. But looking at the pretty one, I saw potential. She had some super breasts. I am not much of a breast man, but hers were pert, natural be-cups, with tasty looking nipples. Moreover, she had lovely, lovely hips. She was slightly on the chunky side, but her face was very alluring. She had flared eyes that had a very naughty look about them. Her lips were also pert and well shaped and they looked like they could do some serious sucking. So I accepted the offer, and right then sealed my fate for the night.

As soon as they sat down, the kissing, fingering, groping and rubbing was on full tilt. The pretty one sat to my left and swung her leg over mine and started rubbing little Kumbu. The leader sat on my right, pulled my arm around her shoulders and placed my hand inside her bikini top right into her very firm, very natural, very voluminous breasts. She took my fingers and maneuvered them to her nipples and urged me to go to town there. So that's my right hand.

Meanwhile, over on the left side, the pretty girl was rubbing my pants ever to expertly, and she took my left hand and placed it right on to her close-cropped pussy. Not inside (yet), but just rubbing the pubic region. My hand alternated between the pubic rubbing and going around the backside to explore the voluminous ass that resided back there. I was feeling a little uncomfortable. I mean, I was basically being extorted of LDs with no capacity to say no, it was not fair. But it sure was fun.

After a few minutes of this, and one LD each later, pretty girl gets up and mounts me and starts the reverse cowgirl simulation, rubbing and squashing little Kumbu mercilessly. Were I not in such a spent state, I might have actually ejaculated, such was the realism she conveyed with her act. But given my state, little Kumbu barely registered the abuse he was taking. But my mind certainly did, and it was lustfully delightful. Leader was leaning into it too, reaching over with her hand and every time pretty-girl's bum lifted off little Kumbu, leader would stick her fingers under there and give the pussy a quick little rub. She encouraged me to do the same. Who am I to argue? So I stuck my hand under there, feeling a somewhat damp set of pussy lips rub all over my hand. Yikes, ticklish!

This went on for several minutes, gradually getting raunchier and raunchier. Then the second set of LDs arrived, and after consuming those LDs, we went back to the debauchery. This time, fingering was on the menu, and so I was encouraged to (gently) finger pretty girl with my middle finger. I got the tip into her pussy, but not more than that. Moreover, my thumb was fingering her asshole at the same time. And my left hand was going between big tits up top and smooth, large ass down below. Pretty girl would occasionally turn around and give me a wet, sickening DFK. I abhor DFK, but given this current context, it seemed like part of the story line, and so I could not refuse it.

They made the proposition to me. BF of 700 each (1400 total), plus 3500 each, if I want ST with both of them. If these girls were stunners, given the state of my arousal, I would have pulled the trigger in an instant. But stunners they were not. One girl, the pretty one, was perhaps a 6, and the other was a 5 at best. So we were dealing with two very ambitious, uninhibited girls who were punching well above their weight. But I was not about to concede to this.

So I countered 2000 each, ST, they can go home anytime they like. They came back with 3000 each, and they promised to 'take good care you naa'. I countered with 2500, last offer, and I get to do both of them together. Agreed.

What? Did I just negotiate a threesome? Yes indeed. Well done Kumbu.

On the way back, we stopped by a very well hidden restaurant in the bowels of soi 23 that I never knew existed. You walk through a little pathway that is smaller than an alley and you emerge into a great little Thai restaurant. We all had khao pad kung to carb ourselves up for the rest of the night, and then scampered back to the hotel.

We get in, and fuck, all hell breaks loose. Clothes are thrown in all directions, my clothes are ripped off me by one girl while the other starts to kiss me. I don't even remember which did which at this point. It was not hurried, in that this did not have the feel of them trying to get the fuck out of Dodge. No, this was just frenetic. Before I knew it, I was butt nekkid and in the shower with two naked, slightly over-weight girls. We soaped each other into slippery, bubbly masses and then rubbed our bodies together, without using our hands, to wash the soap off. The girls were raucously laughing through out this process, while my brain was busy forging new neural pathways with this most delightful of experiences.

Once little Kumbu was properly washed, the leader drops to her knees and starts sucking on my balls while pretty girl plays with my nipples. One thing was missing. Who is going to suck little Kumbu? So I nudged pretty girl down to go at little Kumbu, which she gigglingly did. She made some snide comment in Thai to leader, and it sounded like she said 'this son of a biitch is making a meal of this. ' Both girls on their knees, they had to close their eyes because of the shower blasting on my back, sending spray in all directions. And that image, of them with closed eyes, looking up at me, spray flying in all directions, was just insanity to me. Because of their closed eyes, it gave the impression that they were enjoying it beyond belief, which was a realy cool fantasy to have, right? They sucked and suckled as best they could under the circumstances. I have to say that the actual genital sensations were not all that super, but the visual sensation is one that I will go to the grave with. Literally, when I am on my death bed, thinking back on my life, I will think to myself:

"I wish I had done more for the poor, I wish I had spent more time with my family, I wish I had done more to fight corporate greed, I wish I had done more for others and less for myself. But I'm glad I got that double-blow-job in the shower in Bangkok, so I guess, on balance, it was a good life. ".

So good was that scene, that I actually came. I spurted unexpectedly all over pretty girls mouth and lower jaw, and it sputtered down onto the leaders forehead and her shower cap. They both immediately pushed me aside and washed their faces vigorously in the stream of the shower, and I staggered back and forth on the precipice of fainting.

We washed, and dried off, and went over to the bed. We talked for a while. I found out that they were child hood friends together from Buriram. Pretty was 23, Leader was 24. Leader has been here six months, pretty has been here for 3 months. Leader has one child, pretty does not, but pretty has a very, very demanding mama, who calls her every week and tells her to send money. So she is compelled to raise money for mama. I asked what mama needs all that money for, and I got an obfuscated response. I did not probe further.

Eventually we started at it. I started groping one leg, then a breast, then sucked this appendage, then squashed that, I forget what was what. It was a mass of limbs, lips, breasts, cheeks and penises. The mass of body was nice, if not pretty. But here's the thing. Even with all this super stimulation, little Kumbu was fast asleep. There was nothing happening down there. I had not taken any supplementation, not thinking this would ever happen. I am one horny mutherfucker, and given the chance to go at two pussies, who would think my little mate would betray me so?

I figured the fucking would get him going. So I don the Trojan and flip pretty over to go at her doggie style. But little Kumbu is soft as jello. I mean, have you ever tried to squash your own limp dick into a pussy? It's pathetic, I have to say. I was utterly at a loss, since this has never happened to me before. What does one do? Try as I might, the blubbery mass of flesh just can't do the job, so we're done right?

Wrong. This fact was not lost on the girls. Pretty says something in Thai to leader, and they quietly confer on their plan of action. Condom comes off, and leader starts sucking. Little Kumbu responds to the direct stimulation, and we have a partial erection. So she slaps the condom back on and we try inserting. Aaaaah, little Kumbu flagged just then and returned to his squid-like state. So the Trojan stays on this time, and leader works it hard. She sucks pretty well, and when little Kumbu is there, she licks pretty's awaiting pussy (for lubrication) and in goes little Kumbu. Yes!!

So I pump for a while, and leader then urges me to pull out. Wait, what? Why?? We worked so hard for this, must we end now? She shushes me and pulls me out, and opens her mouth wide, like she is going to chomp down hard on little Kumbu, but instead takes him into her mouth, pussy slobber and all. Ah, right, I see your plan now leader. MUCH better plan than mine. I tip my hat to you.

We did this delightful, porn-starish action several times more before little Kumbu could stand on his own one leg. So now we were good, and I could just fuck. Leader then wriggled underneath my legs and started sucking my balls as I fucked pretty. Looking down at that scene was a cum buster under normal circumstances, but little Kumbu was not anywhere near ready to bust again. So we did this for longer than leader cares to remember, and then I told her I want to fuck leader.

So she insists on a new condom. Ok, that seems a little offensive to your childhood friend over there, but fine. On goes a new condom, and we have to hurry so little Kumbu won't drop. She gets on all fours and I try to insert. But it's too dry, so pretty comes over, licks the pussy, and then sits back. I say no, no, you need to suck little Kumbu too, and she hesitates. Aaaaawww so close! She was so close to being the perfect porn star, but her aversion to BJ did her in. Solly krap!

But she eventually did drop down and give me ten. But they were ten of the worst BJ strokes you can imagine: teeth, jagged, too much pressure, ugh. So I pulled out and stuck little kumbu into leader, and fucked for a while, as pretty offered me her boobs to play with and suckle. The boob suckling was getting me off, but wait, before this all ends, I want to try one last thing. I told leader that we had agreed that I could fuck both of them, chay may? And that means at the same time. So we need to do this without changing condoms. And to my great surprise, she agreed!

So they both line up on all fours, and I start fucking leader, then pull out and in to pretty, and then back to leader, and then in to pretty, and then back to um, orgasm.

So after the clean up, I paid them each 3000 baht. They were happy with getting more than the agreed upon price. Moreover, they did work for it, with the whole ED situation. I'm not entirely sure that the whole pussy-to-mouth thing would have transpired were it not for limp little Kumbu, so I am glad that happened (though still mortified). And the pussy-to-pussy thing was also a delicate negotiation, so I am not sure they would do this again with anyone else.

So I never got pretty's number, but leader's is #110 (please don't judge me for fucking a fat ugly, you would too under the circumstances), and pretty's name is Mo. If anyone wishes to repeat with them, you have my blessing, but keep in mind YMMV.

The next day, I traveled to Pattaya, from where I am writing this post right now. I will be posting my next few reports in the Pattaya thread, and then returning back to the BKK thread.

Kumbo, you are the man, and definitely more of a kind and caring gentleman than I am. I just love reading your reports. Diamond would have definitely been fucked on Monday night if it was me. I would not have been able to help myself.

Yours in mongering.

Johnie.

Just fantastic Kumbu.

Thanks for an honest and uplifting report (no pun intended).

We all have a little trouble form time to time. And its not surprising considering your lack of sleep and you just having blown your load in the shower. Way to stick with it and not get discouraged. And those girls were certainly good sports to lend you a hand (or a mouth as it were) 555.

I can't wait to hear about what you get up to in Pattaya and to get your impressions about how it has changed form your last trip.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V,.

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[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892941]So I never got pretty's number, but leader's is #110 (please don't judge me for fucking a fat ugly, you would too under the circumstances), and pretty's name is Mo. If anyone wishes to repeat with them, you have my blessing, but keep in mind YMMV.
[/QUOTE]Nah I would not, but plenty of guys choose a raunchy girl regardless of looks. I am sometimes mystified how ugly a girl chosen can be, and I am not referring to overweight here. Mo, depending on how pronounced could be a slang derogatory word literally "pot" but meaning pussy or "c*nt". So I hope it was rhyming with toe and not with saw or door. I do know a fairly pretty girl there called Taeng-Mo meaning "watermelon".

I prefer to choose a stunning slim classy but erotic beauty like No. 21 Donut, who only works weekends due to studies. Raunchy just does not do it for me without good looks as well. I also like stylish girls as well, like No. 1 Nikki, or very cute saucy tease girls like No. 4 Jane.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1892899]You should head over to Amsterdam massage one of these days, they don't seem to have that problem. Climax is hit or miss on any given night, Nana and Soi Cowboy the same. [/QUOTE]It depends on what you consider very pretty. I have to admit there is some level of decline of the girls, for several important reasons, even at Amsterdam. Firstly the levels of education and job opportunities maybe improving as Goatscrot often points out, so pretty girls may not need to be a hooker. Girls tend to be fatter on average than 25 years ago due to bad influence of western junk food, think of the french fries, thick shakes, packets of crisps, all very high sugar foods, etc. Then there is the high prevalence of poor nose jobs and tit jobs spoiling girls looks for me.

I try to frequent places where the nose and tit jobs are minimised and still mostly slim girls, so its okay For me. I know I am much more fussy for looks than 25 years ago. Back when I first got away from the ex wife, almost any fairly average Thai girl seemed great. Some of my early choices, I would not choose now.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1892941]In the haystack, that is......[/QUOTE]What a great report Kumbu. Seems the Crazy House is the place to go for threesomes. Got myself into a similar situation there a few months ago. Although I must say the girls I ended up with were both quite pleasing to the eyes, slim, nice legs, small cups, pronounced hips and even a landing strip go guide me home safely. They were both stark naked when approaching me.

Threesome are usually hit and miss, but this was one for the records. Balls sucked by one while fucking the other and vice versa, one on my face, one reverse CG and so on. Brilliant night.

Had agreed 2500 for each ST, but eventually asked the younger and most dedicated of the two to stay LT sending the other home after two rounds. Morning BBBJ and CIM. Very nice. Tipped the girl an extra 1500, but clearly she didn't expect it. It was clear she wanted to stay.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1893948]I do know a fairly pretty girl there called Taeng-Mo meaning "watermelon".[/QUOTE]That's the one! She did tell me her name means watermelon. I think her face is very pretty, especially her eyes, as I noted in my report. But she is quite solidly built, and I dunno, for whatever reason, Syzygies, I thought you were into the slimer kind. But I guess it's all perspective.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1894270]That's the one! She did tell me her name means watermelon. I think her face is very pretty, especially her eyes, as I noted in my report. But she is quite solidly built, and I dunno, for whatever reason, Syzygies, I thought you were into the slimer kind. But I guess it's all perspective.[/QUOTE]Is this the one you were talking about?

[URL]http://www.hypercityindia.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/a/watermelon.jpg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1894270]That's the one! She did tell me her name means watermelon. I think her face is very pretty, especially her eyes, as I noted in my report. But she is quite solidly built, and I dunno, for whatever reason, Syzygies, I thought you were into the slimer kind. But I guess it's all perspective.[/QUOTE]When she first started at CH she was quite a bit slimmer. Trainee nurse she claimed or nurse student and has worked quite irregularly missing for months then returned. I tried her once. The session was not the best. Scared of dick somewhat in her early days at CH. No repeat and besides she is a bit plump for me now anyway.

[QUOTE=David2;1894448]Is this the one you were talking about?

[URL]http://www.hypercityindia.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/a/watermelon.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]A dead ringer for the girl, indeed.

Have been in town two weeks now and waited to write something up to see a coupe of full weekly cycles. I have been concentrating on the FL scene so far this trip due to the soapy raids and declining quality at the usual PSE oilies. As some one said recently on the forum the best ladies are the one's you happen upon, so I have been paying it by ear and so far it has been paying off fine.

In short the numbers and overall quality are down but there are still selectable ladies if you are patient. This will be recap and confirmation for some, but maybe the newbies will find it useful:

The Nana Parking Lot (NPL) still has the best hunting. Dead during the day, ok weeknights and best on Friday and Saturday night. The Hooters effect has the ladies generally huddled towards the suk side near the pharmacy. You can find what you are looking for if you are not too picky: if you want a tall young skinny girl they are there; maybe just not with big boobs and and a perfect nose.

Much the same scene near the Grace Hotel heavier set Thai and ME ladies. Suk 3 to 5 bus stop and McDonaldes is generally horrid, but I did pick up a cutie two notches above the other day. 28 yo cute face not skinny not fat but good attitude and service. The African ladies are still roaming this crescent if that is your thing.

There is still some action from the Suk T21 Westin corner down past the Sofitel a ways to the Manhattan. Again hit and miss (mostly miss) but the ladies are still there.

Where I found a new bit of a cluster was on Suk soi 4 past Hooters down to the Sportsman Pub and Ra-jah Hotel shopping center. Perhaps more FL have been pushed down that way. Higher numbers than usual and more ladies than the usual LB's. Have not seen Elena yet as she usually sticks out like a sore thumb.

Have been paying 1000-1200 baht for ST. It is slow and the ladies seem open to this tariff. I generally wait for them to attract me and after some small talk ask them for their price. If you approach them it could be slightly different as you lose your negotiating advantage.

As example I woke up early the other day and went out for cigs at 5 am even though I did not need them. With no intentions of mongering I came upon a rather hot lady who offered 1000 baht straight away. Well I took advantage of the opportunity and had my best session so far this trip.

So in general if you are patient and don't need to get laid at *that moment* IMO you can find equal quality FL to that currently on offer at Snow White for example.

SL.

It doesn't look like the Nataree situation is something that is going to get fixed. There now are some serious steps being taken against the owner and management of that establishment. [URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crime/1010085/brothel-owner-manager-each-face-14-charges.[/URL] Today's print edition of the Bangkok Post has a headline on page 2: "Hunt on for owner, manager of Nataree massage parlour." Apparently, the police are looking for the two who are both charged with h***n trafficking (don't want a code word violation, ha, ha), prostitution of minors, and harbouring undocumented migrants. An investigation into the bribes paid by the parlour is also underway according to the print edition article.

I am curious about the claim in the article that 77 of the sex workers there, more than half, were foreign. Doesn't sound right. But I'm no expert as to whether someone there who says and looks like they are from Chiang Rai could be from another country (Myannmar?).

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1894704]It doesn't look like the Nataree situation is something that is going to get fixed. There now are some serious steps being taken against the owner and management of that establishment. [URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crime/1010085/brothel-owner-manager-each-face-14-charges.[/URL] Today's print edition of the Bangkok Post has a headline on page 2: "Hunt on for owner, manager of Nataree massage parlour." Apparently, the police are looking for the two who are both charged with h***n trafficking (don't want a code word violation, ha, ha), prostitution of minors, and harbouring undocumented migrants. An investigation into the bribes paid by the parlour is also underway according to the print edition article.

I am curious about the claim in the article that 77 of the sex workers there, more than half, were foreign. Doesn't sound right. But I'm no expert as to whether someone there who says and looks like they are from Chiang Rai could be from another country (Myannmar?).[/QUOTE]Old news, next! And in the wrong thread! Move on!

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1894655]Have been in town two weeks now and waited to write something up to see a coupe of full weekly cycles. I have been concentrating on the FL scene so far this trip due to the soapy raids and declining quality at the usual PSE oilies. As some one said recently on the forum the best ladies are the one's you happen upon, so I have been paying it by ear and so far it has been paying off fine.

So in general if you are patient and don't need to get laid at *that moment* IMO you can find equal quality FL to that currently on offer at Snow White for example.

SL.[/QUOTE]Nice update SL what is the latest scene outside thermae are all the ladies outside or some even dripping on the stairs that lead down to the coffee shop or the bar?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1894794]Old news, next! And in the wrong thread! Move on![/QUOTE]Okay, I'll post something appropriate for this thread. FU.

And by the way Mr. Patrolman, something that was just reported in the newspapers for the first time today is not old news.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1894842]Okay, I'll post something appropriate for this thread. FU.

And by the way Mr. Patrolman, something that was just reported in the newspapers for the first time today is not old news.[/QUOTE]I guess he means that it has long been known Nataree was trafficking girls, and some girls were very closely chapperoned by their minders or pimps. Girls on Contract, meaning big debts to be paid, etc.

This is one of the reasons it has not been a regular place for me. I have not taken a girl there for years. When I did take some, I sometimes got stories about girls situations. Not what I wanted to hear, whether true or not. The common theme was girl did not get much money in her hand if any and lived where she was required to live. Not real freedom.

Not all girls are the same though.

Sitting in front of my laptop now try to remember what had I done for the pass few nights is quite hard. But never the less I guess it would be roughly the same as everyone else experienced here. 1st timer in Bangkok so its amazed me and my friend a lot: the.

1st night:

Went to nana plaza and walk around and look around. Went into nearly every single pubs in there and my gosh. Mostly all the girls are so hot and pretty. Please don't ask me what number# as I am so busy looking around I don't think I can concentrate on the girls number#.

Persosnally I like billbong (other then the old lady try to make me get drink as soon as I walk in, don't even have a chair to sit on, she just walk up and show me the menu and gave me that head nodding and eyes look tell me to order which I didn't and 3 secs later she point the door and tell me and friend to leave but I went back later and thing became a little bit better), afterskool, most of the rainbows joints (not the one near the stair corner there. If I didn't remember wrong about it.). Spanky is not too bad but I don't like they keep spanking me. Grrrr. Make me want to go spank them (was pretty drunk when I go in).

Theres few ladyboy pubs at second floor there which I went in as well though nothing much happen but man I have to said majority of them are pretty (have to keep shake my head to tell myself they got a the* haha. Bill.

After going around my friend decide to go back to billbong (his first time punting) he told me theres a girl he like. So we went back and got sat down and he was looking for the girl and sadly she's not there anymore so instead I pay for his drinks and tell him lets go look at nana plaza carpark. Went out there and lots of girls out. He spotted one right away and told me and she is a cute girl. Very cute. A lot of guys were around her and talking to her. After few minutes they all walked away, look like a good chance so I told my friend go and ask. Have to push him over to do it since he is "scare" (well it is his first punting exp haha) he started talking to her finally and less then few minutes he turn around and called me and tell me proudly "I going with her now" with a damn big smile on his face. What can I said other then OK ENJOY? So off he went and there I am still looking around and still don't know what I want to do so I decided to go into hooter and have a drink or 2 when I look at the time its near 1 am or 2 am. So I decided to call it a night. As I walked out I look at the nana carpark and man theres even more girls there now so I walked there and look and found a really cute blonde short hair girl there. So I started talking to her and asked for ST and she started with 15 k and I manage to get it down to 10 k and off we went to my hotel room. Shower together, gave me a nice BBBJ from bathroom onto bed, condom on and fuck myself away. Took me near 45 mins to finish it. Too much alcohol don't do any good I guess. Off she go and off to bed for me.

2nd day:

Woke up and had breadfast with my friend and he had one of those biggest smile on his face ever. So I asked him how was last night and he told me felt like having sex with his GF or even better. My gosh, he is hooked. He already asking me where are we heading at night. Soi cowboy it is. Now not much to write about it for the night since its all the stuff everyone know. Nice party place I actually started to enjoy and suddenly friend want to go to nana plaza (I think he want to find the girl from billbong) so went back there and surely enough he went straight into billbong and lucky him the girl is there. I looked at the girl and she is a nice looker. So I told him I going to leave him as I want to go check out nana carpark and as I walk around I saw a lot of girls look so young ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] look?) I feel like talk to them but on the other hand I afraid might get in trouble if they really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url]. At the end I found a girl standing outside EQ club and man she is SMOKING HOT. Went and did the usual talking and she ask for 15 k ST and won't bargain. But man she just too hot. Like MODEL so I agree and went back to hotel with her. The sex wasnt as good as the night before CBJ and no PSE feel. But her P* is tight and while I was fucking I was thinknig to myself you know what. I just going to fuck the shit out of you and so did I. Her english is not too bad I nearly laugh when she said don't stop fucking me, I don't know its my water or your water, it feel good. Hahaha I figure it out what she try to said is her juice down south haha. After finish up off she went and I tried to call my friend but he didn't pick up so I decided to go to annie. Went there and a lot of girls and I picked a really petite girl. Small figure, cute face. 20 yrs old as she said. So off we went into room and she did a nice soapy bath on me then she gave me a nice blowjob. Took a long time but at the end she make me cum. Washed me off and off to bed gave a nice massage when she ask want an other pop I declined as I already felt tire haha. So back to hotel and call it a night.

3nd day:

Man I wish I remember about this earlier. Woke up mid afternoon and saw a few missed calls from friend so called back and he already up and ready to go out. Came to my room and he asked what else we can do so I just simply type something in google and blowjob bar came out and damn. HOW CAN I FORGOT ABOUT THEM. So off we went and first one we came across is kasalong. Its around 1 or 2 pm by now. Theres mix of young girls and old ladies in there. Few cuties. Then we walk to I think [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]? And they all 30's outside so we just walk pass and walk to DR. BJ and not much to see there too so we walked back to kasalong. Friend decide to get some food but I decide to get a nice blowjob done so I picked a young girl and off we went upstair and get the business done. I have to said this girl give one of the best BBBJ. Licking balls to sucking it all in, she did a nice job. Finish with CIM. Off I went and meet up with friend and he told me he is meeting up with the girl from first night and asked me do I want to come along but I decided to decline since I have a master plan in mind. So off he went and I went back to hotel and SLEEP hahaha. When woke up its around 6 pm and no missed call from friend. That bastard must be enjoying himself doing something too much. But just in case I send a message to make sure hes still alive and he reply back so fuck him, off I go myself to kasalong again. This time more girls outside I picked an other girl and she did even a better blow job. Went deep throat and I came hard in her mouth and later I figure out she actually swallow cum. My gosh that is just amazing. Walked to suda restaurant (I guess most of you know why there) and had a nice dinner then walk down to som's haven. Wow what a line up they got. So many young girls. Picked one that smile at me and off we went but got a bit "dissapoint" as I felt she try to finish me as quick as she can. So I wasnt really into it and took her a while to finish me off. When finish she even asked for tips. Without even bother, I just gave her tip and walked out. Don't know will I go back there again but that not going to bother me. As I walking back to hotel I came across [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and saw 2 or 3 nice lookers and since I didn't have a nice one just now I decided to go in there. Pick a nice slim girl and in I go again and there she is with a nice big smile whole time and gave me one of the best BBBJ again. Took a a little bit longer (only had 10 min rest"walk") was thinking I properly won't cum anymore but man she doing it good and deep so at the end its a smiling result. Back to hotel had a nice hot shower and make myself a nice hot bathtub and my friend finally called around 10 pm and asked go eat late dinner so off we went and both of us just talking about what we done for the day and after dinner we decided to go back to hotel (I need to rest from now). He came over to my room and we continue talk with lots of beers at the end I guess we both passed out.

4nd day:

Didn't do much today as its a raining day, so just watched movies, go to near by area for meals and walk around at malls and such. Then around 7 pm rain came down hard so we both back to hotel with take away foods and decided to have a whole day of rest. Around 11 pm walked out still raining hard so decided to call it a night and here I am in the forum typing out post haha.

Sorry if I didn't mention any girl number# or name. I did look and ask their name but I just don't remember any of them since I'm the type don't turn back to same girl so I just didn't try hard to remember. Guess I was drunk as well which won't help.

Dear seniors,

Looking at a 18 + 2 hole / day golf holiday cum mongering trip to the land of smiles. Please PM suggestions for enjoying on both counts within limited budget.

Thanks,

Mlover29

[QUOTE=SpiritsHunt;1894868]Sitting in front of my laptop now try to remember what had I done for the pass few nights is quite hard. But never the less I guess it would be roughly the same as everyone else experienced here. 1st timer in Bangkok so its amazed me and my friend a lot:[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting your experiences SpiritsHunt but I have a question. You and your friend are paying 10 k to 15 k for ST with Nana Parking lot ladies? Seriously and for real? Or am I just reading it wrong?

SL.

Sorry my mistake. Its 1 k and 1.5 k.

[QUOTE=SpiritsHunt;1894889]Sorry my mistake. Its 1 k and 1.5 k.[/QUOTE]Ok then; your pricing jives with my report earlier today. And yes there is some decent quality about. I believe I have seen the girl you described in front of EQ quite nice indeed!

SL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1894849]I guess he means that it has long been known Nataree was trafficking girls, and some girls were very closely chapperoned by their minders or pimps. Girls on Contract, meaning big debts to be paid, etc.

This is one of the reasons it has not been a regular place for me. I have not taken a girl there for years. When I did take some, I sometimes got stories about girls situations. Not what I wanted to hear, whether true or not. The common theme was girl did not get much money in her hand if any and lived where she was required to live. Not real freedom.

Not all girls are the same though.[/QUOTE]It may have long been known by those who follow these things closely, but I doubt it was known by a good segment of the general readership here. But the relevance in following the fallout from the Nataree raid is that it may portend a more widespread crackdown, which we have already seen the seeds of in two subsequent raids of soapies, albeit raids that did not yield arrests. Or then again it might not portend a more widespread crackdown but that is for each of us to assess based on reliable information.

Questions have been raised by some here as to whether it is now dangerous to even frequent soapies in Bangkok. There is no way of knowing this in any definitive way, but knowing as much as possible about what is going on (rather than brushing it aside) provides the opportunity to make one's own risk assessment.

Irrespective of whether one agrees with what I just said or not, unnecessarily rude and disrespectful responses to attempts by members here to provide reliable information that may be of interest to at least some here have no place on this forum. That is why I reacted the way I did to the earlier post chastising me for updating the Nataree situation with new information that appeared in Thursday's Bangkok Post's print edition.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1894959]It may have long been known by those who follow these things closely, but I doubt it was known by a good segment of the general readership here. [/QUOTE]I was not aware of this, actually, so thanks for posting this, LA Guy.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1894959]Irrespective of whether one agrees with what I just said or not, unnecessarily rude and disrespectful responses to attempts by members here to provide reliable information that may be of interest to at least some here have no place on this forum. That is why I reacted the way I did to the earlier post chastising me for updating the Nataree situation with new information that appeared in Thursday's Bangkok Post's print edition.[/quote]
I agree, this thread can be a little acerbic, but your information is timely and useful. Thanks.

Hi all,

New member and love reading some of your posts.

A friend and I will be heading to Thailand shortly (Bangkok and Hua Hin), and whilst I've read a million posts on here and so I think I have a good feel of how it all works, I'd like to ask a few newbie questions if that's OK.

- Reading the posts, I think I like the idea of finding a nice FL rather than finding a girl in the bars. I get the impression the bar girls can be a bit pushy? Is that a fair assessment? I'm assuming there's plenty of bars where we can just go and have a few beers without being harassed. Is that right? Anyway, back to the FL idea. Any pitfalls with this idea as opposed to the bar girls?

- Staying at Novotel Bangkok Sukhumvit 20 and Hilton in Hua Hin. Assuming both are GF?

- I'm assuming most of the girls are receptive to kissing?

- I'm a big fan of going down on a girl, but wondering if that's smart given potential for disease etc? Is it something you guys are pretty relaxed about?

- Are tips normal or should they be reserved for special service? Assuming a LT with good service, what's a reasonable tip?

- I like Asian girls, but some of the Eastern European girls are stunning. Is there generally a good selection of both?

I'm sure I'll have some follow up questions, but any help with these will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1894959]Irrespective of whether one agrees with what I just said or not, unnecessarily rude and disrespectful responses to attempts by members here to provide reliable information that may be of interest to at least some here have no place on this forum. That is why I reacted the way I did to the earlier post chastising me for updating the Nataree situation with new information that appeared in Thursday's Bangkok Post's print edition.[/QUOTE]Agreed. That nasty little comment you received was not needed and undeserved. And I also fail to see how a story posted in yesterday's BKK Post is "old news. ".

Apologies for the rather mundane question. I know there are multitudes of "legit" massage parlors in the Sukumvit area, so I will ask for a few opinions. What roads or streets do you personally think offers the best selection of massage shops / ladies in Bangkok. Also if someone could recommend a more upscale massage location, one that has private rooms, etc. I realize that this may also mean that the service level may vary with a more "mainline" massage business.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

Sky.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1895075]Agreed. That nasty little comment you received was not needed and undeserved. And I also fail to see how a story posted in yesterday's BKK Post is "old news. ".[/QUOTE]Another photo and mention of Natartee in the Bangkok Post today. There has been one every day since the raid. The story will not die (too many hooks) and the press seems to be relentless in keeping it going which is not a favorable sign.

SL.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1895091]Apologies for the rather mundane question. I know there are multitudes of "legit" massage parlors in the Sukumvit area, so I will ask for a few opinions. What roads or streets do you personally think offers the best selection of massage shops / ladies in Bangkok. Also if someone could recommend a more upscale massage location, one that has private rooms, etc. I realize that this may also mean that the service level may vary with a more "mainline" massage business.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

Sky.[/QUOTE]Sukhumvit soi 23 has a nice selection of massage places, both legit and naughty. Some even change depending on the time of day: more on the legit side during the day and more on the naughty side in the evening or night. During the day you see more elderly women, and the night shift has some more young looking crew. However, I estimate them all to be 30+, but for massage that is not necessarily a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1895100]Another photo and mention of Natartee in the Bangkok Post today. There has been one every day since the raid. The story will not die (too many hooks) and the press seems to be relentless in keeping it going which is not a favorable sign.

SL.[/QUOTE]Somehow this repeated report about Nataree situaiton is a joke. Extremely few field reports from these massage places (recent debate about that in this forum since obviously few mongers go there) and now there is a kind of "panic" about Nataree not reopening. I have been there last year, must confess that they as a whole had the by far the best girl selection among the neighbouring places but no BBBJ, so I will not miss it during my stay next month! Stupid place, simply.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1895181]Somehow this repeated report about Nataree situaiton is a joke. Extremely few field reports from these massage places (recent debate about that in this forum since obviously few mongers go there) and now there is a kind of "panic" about Nataree not reopening. I have been there last year, must confess that they as a whole had the by far the best girl selection among the neighbouring places but no BBBJ, so I will not miss it during my stay next month! Stupid place, simply.[/QUOTE]For any monger here in Thailand the threat of a wide scale crackdown is a fear. And I think in the current climate, that fear is not unfounded. Keeping up with how the situation with Nat progresses, the raids on other soapies, etc, is in my opinion a very valid topic for this forum. I myself have not been to Nat in well over a decade, but I am still very interested in what is happening. We all should be.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1895181]Somehow this repeated report about Nataree situaiton is a joke. Extremely few field reports from these massage places (recent debate about that in this forum since obviously few mongers go there) and now there is a kind of "panic" about Nataree not reopening. I have been there last year, must confess that they as a whole had the by far the best girl selection among the neighbouring places but no BBBJ, so I will not miss it during my stay next month! Stupid place, simply.[/QUOTE]Is it about Bangkok? YES.

Is it about mongering and its future? YES.

It belongs here. My 2 satang.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1895091]Apologies for the rather mundane question. I know there are multitudes of "legit" massage parlors in the Sukumvit area, so I will ask for a few opinions. .[/QUOTE]Soi 33, Cefle Massage, excellent.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]Hi all,

New member and love reading some of your posts.

A friend and I will be heading to Thailand shortly (Bangkok and Hua Hin), and whilst I've read a million posts on here and so I think I have a good feel of how it all works, I'd like to ask a few newbie questions if that's OK.

- Reading the posts, I think I like the idea of finding a nice FL rather than finding a girl in the bars. I get the impression the bar girls can be a bit pushy? Is that a fair assessment? I'm assuming there's plenty of bars where we can just go and have a few beers without being harassed. Is that right? Anyway, back to the FL idea. Any pitfalls with this idea as opposed to the bar girls?.[/QUOTE]Since I'm feeling charitable.

Personally I would think that some of the FL bars you will get more hassle than in a go-go especially if you are a newbie and can't fend them off properly. They can smell weakness / inexperience. In a Go-Go all the girls are on staff and you pick the ones you want to drink with (or just watch). You are more likely to get buyers remorse with a FL once the kit comes off. Also if you take a FL back to the hotel, keep an eye on your stuff. Conversely, if you 'click' with a FL you pick up in a bar, the experience can feel a lot more 'real' than a 2 HR fumble with a bar / go-go girl. All of these points are generalizations, but you get the picture.

As I always say, coals to Newcastle and all that. If you want hot eastern European girls, they will be found, mainly, and most cost-effectively in eastern Europe.

Bargain. Lek massage on soi 22, right by the queens park bars, 250 thb for hour thai massage, facilities are as nice as any other regular shop (hot ball massage is a nice option same price or just a little exra) still private room though.

Health land. Behind t21 soi 19, probably highest quality standard and nicer facilities.

Thong lo. Lots of places on soi 55, palm herbal spa was nice and fanciest setup I have seen, you fill out a form on an ipad highlighting areas you want worked on, preferences, ect. Can pay with CC, and can sign up for free discount card and you get like 10% off. Still only 500 thb for hour thai massage.

So in summary for streets, would try 22 and 55. Thong lo can be a nice change from the prime tourist area between nana and asoke. Just as aside, if you like sticky rice and mango a famous popular place is right as you turn onto 55 from suk, you can't miss it. Last trip I got the mango and 3 type rice assortment almost everyday.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;1895091]Apologies for the rather mundane question. I know there are multitudes of "legit" massage parlors in the Sukumvit area, so I will ask for a few opinions. What roads or streets do you personally think offers the best selection of massage shops / ladies in Bangkok. Also if someone could recommend a more upscale massage location, one that has private rooms, etc. I realize that this may also mean that the service level may vary with a more "mainline" massage business.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

Sky.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1895075]Agreed. That nasty little comment you received was not needed and undeserved. And I also fail to see how a story posted in yesterday's BKK Post is "old news. ".[/QUOTE]If it was nasty, I'd hate to see your version of horrific or terrible. It was obvious I meant we don't need to keep getting updates on Nateree. Maybe the update is not old news, but the topic is. I'm not going back so I could care less what happens to them. If you go back, you can risk being caught with your pants down with an under aged or foreign worker you thought was Thai and over 18. Up to you guys, but I say move on.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1894842]Okay, I'll post something appropriate for this thread. FU.

And by the way Mr. Patrolman, something that was just reported in the newspapers for the first time today is not old news.[/QUOTE]Sorry but it is old news, as in the topic. Maybe not the recent update. Who cares, I'm sorry to say. It's closed and I'm never going back if and when it reopens. The rest of you would be smart to follow my lead. So whether or not they open again or have their water metre checked is of no concern or informational value to me. Old old old old. If one was to post alternative and safe massage places, that would be a worthwhile post. So here you go:

I have recently been to some places on Petchaburi road that seem very safe. Some others on Rama 9 road near RCA and a few high end places in Minburi, Lat Phrao, and Ramintra. Please PM me for the names. I think it's time to keep the actual names of these places off the board since I'm sure the Thai authorities are well aware of our little club here.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895543] I have recently been to some places on Petchaburi road that seem very safe. Some others on Rama 9 road near RCA and a few high end places in Minburi, Lat Phrao, and Ramintra. Please PM me for the names. I think it's time to keep the actual names of these places off the board since I'm sure the Thai authorities are well aware of our little club here.[/QUOTE]Well then, if the authorities want to know the names, they can just PM you for them; you don't know who is PMing you. :)

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895543]I have recently been to some places on Petchaburi road that seem very safe. Some others on Rama 9 road near RCA and a few high end places in Minburi, Lat Phrao, and Ramintra. Please PM me for the names. I think it's time to keep the actual names of these places off the board since I'm sure the Thai authorities are well aware of our little club here.[/QUOTE]As if the authorities would need our forum to find out there are naughty massage places in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]Hi all,

New member and love reading some of your posts.

A friend and I will be heading to Thailand shortly (Bangkok and Hua Hin), and whilst I've read a million posts on here and so I think I have a good feel of how it all works, I'd like to ask a few newbie questions if that's OK.

- Reading the posts, I think I like the idea of finding a nice FL rather than finding a girl in the bars. I get the impression the bar girls can be a bit pushy? Is that a fair assessment? I'm assuming there's plenty of bars where we can just go and have a few beers without being harassed. Is that right? Anyway, back to the FL idea. Any pitfalls with this idea as opposed to the bar girls?

- Staying at Novotel Bangkok Sukhumvit 20 and Hilton in Hua Hin. Assuming both are GF?

- I'm assuming most of the girls are receptive to kissing?

- I'm a big fan of going down on a girl, but wondering if that's smart given potential for disease etc? Is it something you guys are pretty relaxed about?

- Are tips normal or should they be reserved for special service? Assuming a LT with good service, what's a reasonable tip?

- I like Asian girls, but some of the Eastern European girls are stunning. Is there generally a good selection of both?

I'm sure I'll have some follow up questions, but any help with these will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I am not the best person to answer all of your questions as I am not using Freelancers that often.

Going down, sure no problem. I do it all the time. If girl does bareback willingly, probably many freelancers do, then she is a risk for diseases like Chlamydia, Gonor. , etc. Don't rub your eyes after fingering the pussy. I learned that the hard way. Pussy licking is not the most risky activity.

Most girls are okay With kissing but some are not that keen. Thai culture is different. Some girls who don't kiss much, suddenly do after a few drinks to loosen them up. However don't get girls very drunk, you will regret it. Some Thai girls can be drunk after a small number of drinks.

For tips it is up to you. No need if agreed price is already very fair. However nothing wrong with tipping for extra good service in my opinion, however not if she was rather ordinary. If making a tip, 100 Baht is not really worthwhile, and could be considered that you see her as very desperate. 500 Baht would be my minimum tip for extra good service, for a LT booking. If you pay high, girls remember, and they will expect you to pay consistently high. So take that into account. I don't do LT bookings with girls, the first time I meet them. I want to see how much fun they are first with a ST booking. Also one girl was too much fun. She wanted to Yack all night (not fuck all night). At 5 AM, I am reminding her that some sleep might be useful. I have experienced newbie girls who would wake me up for more sex too, but that is rare.

The big difference between freelancers and bargirls is price. Freelancers will be a lot cheaper, on average. I mostly take bargirls that I have seen dancing naked, so that there are no surprises when the girl takes cloths off. Also I normally do not take silicone tits, nor very saggy tits, nor saggy ass, nor stocky legs, so I need to see them.

There is an in between category I have been using. Girls at portable street bars. These girls still have a bar fine to leave the bar, normally 500 Baht. However I did have a chance to sit with them at the bar for a very long time before deciding to take them, no pressure, even a chance to dance with them a little and feel how is the body. Got a girl with amazing tits this way. As a young newbie, she had not trimmed her pussy hair yet so that was weird. Even workers at the bar did not know how good were her well covered tits.

Aggressive pushy girls. There are some bars that have extremely pushy atmosphere, especially for new customers, however it is up to the personality of the individual girls too. Any bar could have girls pushing for at least drinks. Find a shyer non pushy girl. I recently visited Long Gun after a long time away. The staff remembered me and were far too pushy for drinks. Found it intolerable, and returned to my normal bars. Don't let staff think you are too generous. Don't let girls sit with you unless you choose the girl. Don't get to know the mamasan and waitresses too well. I am a bit too nice, but I try to give an impression of being unfriendly or at least aloof at times.

If you really don't want to be harassed, go to pub, instead of a bar, where there are no working girls other than waitresses. At Corner on Soi Cowboy has no hookers, for example. Its near to my normal girlie bar and has good hamburgers. Plenty of Sports Pubs nearby too.

Others reporting here are expert on freelance girls at Bangkok Beat, the discos, on the street, etc. I have been to Bangkok Beat but found the music to be too loud to be able to talk to girls, and quality of the band's sound also not the best. Girls were also generally not really my spec. Older and less slim, and a few LBs thrown in. Some places can be a bit dark so cannot see the girl quality easily. I need a large line up of girls to choose from mostly as am a bit too fussy. Dream girls for me, but they cost me. Also I prefer to monger early evening. Not staying out all night too often. I am sure you have read many posts from the guys who prefer to get girls from discos and other freelance venues.

I have collected regular girls, very pretty to my taste that perform very well for me, at bars and MPs, so I don't try a new girl that often. One stunning girl has braces and BJ is not that great (inexperienced), but I don't care. Everything else is great, including the kissing. Most girls have a weakness somewhere. Most guys are compromising on the face or body. I hardly ever compromise on the face, if at all. I also hardly repeat girls that don't give good kissing. So think there is no reason not to expect nice kissing once you have some sort of chemistry with the girl. Always an exception possible for any guys with foul breath of course. I don't smoke and take a lot of care to taste good.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895540]If it was nasty, I'd hate to see your version of horrific or terrible. It was obvious I meant we don't need to keep getting updates on Nateree. Maybe the update is not old news, but the topic is. I'm not going back so I could care less what happens to them. If you go back, you can risk being caught with your pants down with an under aged or foreign worker you thought was Thai and over 18. Up to you guys, but I say move on.[/QUOTE]Your reaction to the first post, seemed rather jumpy, to say the least, like someone touched a raw nerve. So most would have been surprised. Personally I have a thick hide, and so I would not take it very personally. I now some guys over react to my posts as well.

Certainly far more on topic than many other non mongering related topics that appear in this thread. You can add the guy to your ignore list if uninterested in things he posts. I have put some extremely negative shit dumping posters on my ignore list in the past.

I remember Ixgca (spelling? Not so long ago posting that most of the problems I had described with Nataree were long gone things of the past, but I really feel he was far too much of an optimist. Nothing changes that much in my view. Change is usually exaggerated.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]Hi all,

New member and love reading some of your posts.

A friend and I will be heading to Thailand shortly (Bangkok and Hua Hin), and whilst I've read a million posts on here and so I think I have a good feel of how it all works, I'd like to ask a few newbie questions if that's OK.

- Reading the posts, I think I like the idea of finding a nice FL rather than finding a girl in the bars. I get the impression the bar girls can be a bit pushy? Is that a fair assessment? I'm assuming there's plenty of bars where we can just go and have a few beers without being harassed. Is that right? Anyway, back to the FL idea. Any pitfalls with this idea as opposed to the bar girls?[/QUOTE]Some bars have pushy girls, some don't, some have a mix of both. It is the luck of the draw. If you find them too pushy, just move to the next bar. I visited Hua Hin a month ago and did not find any FL, although I have been told the bar at the Hilton Hotel seems to have some. I have always taken my ladies from bars or clubs and never engaged a FL. In a girlie bar everyone knows exactly what your intentions are and that is so much easier. But to each his modus operandi.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- Staying at Novotel Bangkok Sukhumvit 20 and Hilton in Hua Hin. Assuming both are GF?[/QUOTE]Yes, no problem.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- I'm assuming most of the girls are receptive to kissing?[/QUOTE]Light kissing is not a problem, but the chance of DFK is probably less than 50/50. Therefore it is best to ask in the pre-employment interview.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- I'm a big fan of going down on a girl, but wondering if that's smart given potential for disease etc? Is it something you guys are pretty relaxed about?[/QUOTE]I'm a big fan of licking Thai pussy and (so far) never had a problem. Nothing is without risk of course, but I think the risks are low. Thai girls are very clean. A shower before and after sex is standard so their pussies are fresh and tasty.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- Are tips normal or should they be reserved for special service? Assuming a LT with good service, what's a reasonable tip?[/QUOTE]Yes, reserve tips for special good service. Thailand does not have a real "tipping culture" so tips are not really expected.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1895067]- I like Asian girls, but some of the Eastern European girls are stunning. Is there generally a good selection of both?[/QUOTE]Forget about the Eastern European girls in Thailand: they are few and come mostly with bad attitude, high price and low service (if any service at all). I haven't seen any EE girls in Hua Hin. In Bangkok most of these "Russians" are from the Southern republics of the FSU (the *stan republics) and many are well past their "sell by" date.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1895355]Soi 33, Cefle Massage, excellent.[/QUOTE]I have to concur. I usually have an oily session then go to Cefle for a relaxing massage.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895543]Sorry but it is old news, as in the topic. Maybe not the recent update. Who cares, I'm sorry to say. It's closed and I'm never going back if and when it reopens. The rest of you would be smart to follow my lead. So whether or not they open again or have their water metre checked is of no concern or informational value to me. Old old old old. If one was to post alternative and safe massage places, that would be a worthwhile post. So here you go:

I have recently been to some places on Petchaburi road that seem very safe. Some others on Rama 9 road near RCA and a few high end places in Minburi, Lat Phrao, and Ramintra. Please PM me for the names. I think it's time to keep the actual names of these places off the board since I'm sure the Thai authorities are well aware of our little club here.[/QUOTE]The law of holes: "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1895540]If it was nasty, I'd hate to see your version of horrific or terrible. It was obvious I meant we don't need to keep getting updates on Nateree. Maybe the update is not old news, but the topic is. I'm not going back so I could care less what happens to them. If you go back, you can risk being caught with your pants down with an under aged or foreign worker you thought was Thai and over 18. Up to you guys, but I say move on.[/QUOTE]Again, interest in the updates about Nataree are not just in relation to that one particular parlor, but a reflection of how the new authorities are dealing with the P4 P scene in BKK. Things they are a changin' and I for one am glad to get the updates. Have not been to Nataree in over 10 years, but am still interested in how the case against them develops and how it will effect us all. I believe most of the punters are interested as well and the posts tend to back me up on that one.

On soi Nana halfway down the street on the left and right side, you will find lots of Street walkers in the evening especially around 8 pm. I've passed this area many times and really don't pay any attention to the ladies as I am not interested in streetwalkers. But last night as I was walking I saw a lady standing in an area by herself and it was a little dark. As I walked by her she looked at me and gave me a very nervous slight smile. I was surprised because she was actually attractive in her early forties and dress nice. Her toenails and fingernails painted nicely and she had her hair up with glasses on. I didn't know if she was a streetwalker or if she was simply waiting for somebody so I didn't want to stopping and talking with them. As I walk by I walked a few steps and turned around and looked at her and she was still looking at me and gave me a great big smile. As a result I turned around and went back and said hello and spoke with her.

She actually spoke English a little bit but she seemed to be somewhat educated as she did not seem like the typical streetwalker. I asked her a few questions in a nice way and she told me that she is a teacher in Korat and she was visiting Bangkok. I later found out that she comes to Bangkok about once a month and headed to the same spot. I told her I was surprised that she was a teacher and being out here at night time. She said she had two teenage daughters and the the salary as a teacher was not enough to cover all their school expenses and the house expenses as she is a single mother. I felt kinda awkward is that she was nice intelligent and attractive to be in her forties and I felt like I was talking to a school teacher and it was uncomfortable for me to get to the subject of having sex with their. Fortunately she brought up the subject by saying she could give me a massage in my room. It is my general rule never to take a hooker back to my apartment so I gave her an excuse why she couldn't go to my home with me. She counter-offered with going to a short time hotel close by. I asked her how much and she hesitated and said how much I pay her. I hate those type of conversations with women so I just simply asked her again how much would you like. She paused, thought about it, and said 800 baht. I was shocked at the price was so low for a woman of her status. But I quickly agreed as I was quite interested in spending time with her.

We went to a hotel close by and paid 30ob for the room. She was really nice easy-going and sweet. We got to the room I went ahead and hugged her and felt nice hips and nice around breast. She was completely open to letting me touch her wherever I wanted to. I felt like we were on a date. I told her to go take a shower and she said she was shy to undress in front of me. I laughed and said no problem. She took off her clothes and I was a little concerned about the fact she had two kids and what it would look like. But to my surprise she had a nice round ass a nice tits and a nice little pussy with trim hairs. With her standing there getting ready to take a shower looking at her with their fingernails and toenails done their hair up I felt like I certainly had lucked up with a streetwalker. To make a long story short. When we got to the bed she gave me a nice slow blowjob and she let me finger her pussy which was tight wet and warm. She even let me finger her in the ass a little bit and by that time I was quite hard. I told her to lay down and I would get on top of her. She laid down on her back and spread her legs I couldn't help but to look at her pussy. She let me spread your pussy lips and look at our nice little clit. It was actually quite cute for a woman to be as I later found out 43 years old. As I suck her nice big round brown breast and fingered her she became more wet. I finally hopped on top of her and had several different positions with her. After the great sex I was expecting her to try to get more money out of me. Before we left the room I gave her $800 and she thanked me with no additional comments about more money.

During sex, her pussy was quite small and wet. I was surprised that she had two babies because her tummy was not sagging. Later she told me that her husband was a butterfly man and they separated about 4 years ago. And he does not provide any support to the family. So she is forced to look for extra income. It is amazing that so many Thai women in their late thirties forties and fifties will become streetwalkers. Some of them are actually nice ladies that if they were in a western country, they would never think of going to the street. They would have course went to court and force their ex-husbands to pay child support and alimony. But in Thailand, thai men give them babies and leave them to fend for themselves.

If I saw her again in a month or so standing on the street, I would definitely take her back to the room and give her more than 800 and make it an even 1000 b.

I would have to say that that experience was the best experience I had with a lady in her forties. I assume her daughters do not know their mom is spreading her legs in Bangkok. However, I have lots of respect for her doing whatever she can to support her children in hopes they would not have to do the same thing.