Monterrey

I believe you probably do understand me...You see, I am just a big teddy bear, and my girls are all preciosa to me, each and everyone of them, and I can't help but just love them to death. If I seem like I am controlled by them, it is just that I appreciate them sooooooo much, really, soooo much...smack, smack, smack, smack, smooch, smooch, smmoch...

You see, the board just takes my comments all too seriously...I am a lover (and part-time shit disturber), not a fighter!

Hope to see you in about three weeks. And, you are right, I don't remember your advising me with respect to changing my habits.

Frankly, You are a very smart dude. I think your motivations are kind of selfish...

You know why?

Because if I change my habits, no girl is safe. If I stick to my Angel Girl, everyone is better off in the long run...verdad?

USB

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Now hold on just a minute there cowboy. I did not tell you notin' - Don't get me involved in this. I am keeping out of it because, my good friend, I actually understand you ..... sshhhh ... don't tell anyone.

Have fun - enjoy yourself and be safe.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Here’S my contribution to the knowledge base here. Thanks to all the past posts, for getting me this far. I walked from the CP to the Vilagern area. Yeah it’s a long walk, but after 6 hours on a plane plus 2 hour lay over, the walk was good for me. It was a hot humid day, so I was lad to get to El Cielo and sit down. Got my 2 beers and watched to the show. El Cielo was quite dark, or maybe my eyes didn’t adjust from the day light, but I couldn’t see very much. Hard to tell the bellas from the feas. I left there and did some other exploring. I came across a place that hasn’t been mentioned Veibys, Villagomez con Arteaga. They have two center stages, one in use while I was there. When I went in there was this little morena spinner dancing. After her dance I bought her a drink and we talked, in my broken Spanish and her limited English Her name sounded like Lady, but was probably Lette. A private dance in one of the dark cubicles and she offer FS for 200p which I gladly accepted. Very tight and vary nice body. I hit Parthenon, Tango. Infinito, and didn’t like the vibe in any of them.

I went to Signore and had a "massage" from Cynthia. She was the best of the lot there. I was disappointed in the service. I know it’s a pay for play experience, but she would roll her eyes and wouldn’t participate. For the price 450p it was a better bargain the Tijuana, but the TJ chicas are into it a bit more.

I went back to CP for a rest and went to La Spugna near the hotel. There are more girls here than guys. This place seems almost as nice as Prestige, and probably just a little less expensive. The proximity to the CP, Sheraton and the American clients shows. All the chicas spoke passable English, some seemed almost fluent. I was approached almost immediately by one chica that had a nice enough body, but the teeth were not so nice. I sent her away and got left alone for awhile, then xxxxx approached, and asked that I buy her a drink. She said she was 33 but looked younger. Sge know what she was doing. While sitting on my lap she would tickle my balls, and blow in my ear. I chose for a 2 song private for 400p which was in a dark cubicle, free range touching and a bald kitty to stroke, I like that. Later she talked me into a more private area for 700p which had a larger couch and more light. She said she could get me off with a BJ, and if not a fuck. Well she was very good at the BJ, but I never finish that way. Besides, I wanted to feel that pussy. At La Spurga I only saw one enhances chica, all the others were natural, none were big titted and no gordas. My only issue is running a tab, you never k now what things cost until the bill arrives. They take credit cards, but add 10%, so watch your tab and ask the price. Tonight I’ll try Matehuala’s and see if I can find those block on Madero where the mid range places are. Can anyone give me a cross street? El Harem in the 1400 block/? I didn’t see any numbers on the buildings last night.

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At La Spurga the chica was Estrella.

Here's a question. All the places have a menu on the wall prividos 100 x3 or x4 which I understand. But what is TKT? They all have this, I guess it is an abveration but for what?

El Harem is on Madero, about one block to the East of Diego de Montemayor on the South Side of Madero.

There are several other clubs in the same general area right along Madero as well. You might want to check them out. They are clubs that I usually either frequent once or twice each trip. They have varying levels of quality, especially during the first part of the week. They are middle level clubs, and they're more comfortable to sit in than El Infinito. You will find most of these to have the best line-ups during the later part of the week, Wednesday through Saturday Nights.

1. Pasarelas is a few blocks to the West of Harem on Madero on the South Side of Madero.

2. TKCHE, five blocks East of Harem, on the North Side of Madero.

3. Excalibur, is about three blocks West of Harem on the North Side of Madero.

4. Azul Tequilla, one block West of Harem on the North Side of Madero.

These four clubs are within easy walking distance of each other. Azul Tequilla is especially iffy. I have been there when there were good girls, and I have been there when there was virtually nothing. I don't really know how they are running now as I haven't frequented it lately, but it does not seem as busy lately as what I have witnessed months ago at times. You might want to peak inside, but be on your guard. The waiters are sometimes especially mercenary in that particular club.

And, as long as you're visiting Matehuala, you might want to try another club that we all frequent when we visit MTY. The Club "Casino" is probably about 5-8 minutes West of Harem by taxi. It's located on Avenida Colon I believe, between Capt. Aguilar and Degollado, 2 blocks West of Matehuala. That is the general area where Colon and Madero are starting to merge together, and I can never quite remember whether it is actually off of Colon or off of Madero. I actually think that there are two respective entrances, one off of Colon and one off of Madero, so you probably won't miss it.

Have a good time...:-)

[QUOTE=Watcher50]Here’S my contribution to the knowledge base here. Thanks to all the past posts, for getting me this far. I walked from the CP to the Vilagern area. Yeah it’s a long walk, but after 6 hours on a plane plus 2 hour lay over, the walk was good for me. It was a hot humid day, so I was lad to get to El Cielo and sit down. Got my 2 beers and watched to the show. El Cielo was quite dark, or maybe my eyes didn’t adjust from the day light, but I couldn’t see very much. Hard to tell the bellas from the feas. I left there and did some other exploring. I came across a place that hasn’t been mentioned Veibys, Villagomez con Arteaga. They have two center stages, one in use while I was there. When I went in there was this little morena spinner dancing. After her dance I bought her a drink and we talked, in my broken Spanish and her limited English Her name sounded like Lady, but was probably Lette. A private dance in one of the dark cubicles and she offer FS for 200p which I gladly accepted. Very tight and vary nice body. I hit Parthenon, Tango. Infinito, and didn’t like the vibe in any of them.

I went to Signore and had a "massage" from Cynthia. She was the best of the lot there. I was disappointed in the service. I know it’s a pay for play experience, but she would roll her eyes and wouldn’t participate. For the price 450p it was a better bargain the Tijuana, but the TJ chicas are into it a bit more.

I went back to CP for a rest and went to La Spugna near the hotel. There are more girls here than guys. This place seems almost as nice as Prestige, and probably just a little less expensive. The proximity to the CP, Sheraton and the American clients shows. All the chicas spoke passable English, some seemed almost fluent. I was approached almost immediately by one chica that had a nice enough body, but the teeth were not so nice. I sent her away and got left alone for awhile, then xxxxx approached, and asked that I buy her a drink. She said she was 33 but looked younger. Sge know what she was doing. While sitting on my lap she would tickle my balls, and blow in my ear. I chose for a 2 song private for 400p which was in a dark cubicle, free range touching and a bald kitty to stroke, I like that. Later she talked me into a more private area for 700p which had a larger couch and more light. She said she could get me off with a BJ, and if not a fuck. Well she was very good at the BJ, but I never finish that way. Besides, I wanted to feel that pussy. At La Spurga I only saw one enhances chica, all the others were natural, none were big titted and no gordas. My only issue is running a tab, you never k now what things cost until the bill arrives. They take credit cards, but add 10%, so watch your tab and ask the price. Tonight I’ll try Matehuala’s and see if I can find those block on Madero where the mid range places are. Can anyone give me a cross street? El Harem in the 1400 block/? I didn’t see any numbers on the buildings last night.

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So tell me USB, do you know your way around the clubs or what? Hot damm man, you even know south from east? I only know where west is because of the pre-sunset walks to Infinito. But that's all. I don't know which way east is :-) I wonder if our local friend, Carlos, knows.

And the sun rises from the other side in the morning so I cannot see it until it’s sky-high.

Yes, Casino has 2 entrances on both roads.

When, if, I'm there, tempt me to go clubbing to some of those ones you mentioned. Will I be disappointed?

Wasted.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]El Harem is on Madero, about one block to the East of Diego de Montemayor on the South Side of Madero.

There are several other clubs in the same general area right along Madero as well. You might want to check them out. They are clubs that I usually either frequent once or twice each trip. They have varying levels of quality, especially during the first part of the week. They are middle level clubs, and they're more comfortable to sit in than El Infinito. You will find most of these to have the best line-ups during the later part of the week, Wednesday through Saturday Nights.

These four clubs are within easy walking distance of each other. Azul Tequilla is especially iffy. I have been there when there were good girls, and I have been there when there was virtually nothing. I don't really know how they are running now as I haven't frequented it lately, but it does not seem as busy lately as what I have witnessed months ago at times. You might want to peak inside, but be on your guard. The waiters are sometimes especially mercenary in that particular club.

And, as long as you're visiting Matehuala, you might want to try another club that we all frequent when we visit MTY. The Club "Casino" is probably about 5-8 minutes West of Harem by taxi. It's located on Avenida Colon I believe, between Capt. Aguilar and Degollado, 2 blocks West of Matehuala. That is the general area where Colon and Madero are starting to merge together, and I can never quite remember whether it is actually off of Colon or off of Madero. I actually think that there are two respective entrances, one off of Colon and one off of Madero, so you probably won't miss it.

Have a good time...:-)[/QUOTE]

But, like all males, I am totally disoriented in your typical shopping mall :-) Thank God, in that sense, I am apparently normal.

I Hope you can make it WastedG. We can just kick back and have a cold one, an ice cold Coke Light that is. :-)

Frankly, when I contemplate the upcoming trip, I am not really that excited about seeing the girls. I am pleased, and look forward to spending time with my amigos, and I enjoy the girls, but sometimes dealing with them is a double edged sword. For some reason my desire to interact with the girls just isn't what it once was, and that desire is not even up to the same level as it was a couple of months ago. I think it has to do with the hassles of coordinating my desired level of GFE activity in MTY.

I think perhaps I am burning out. I want to see my Angel Girl very much on the one hand, but on the other I realize that it is all mostly a meaningless kind of thing, perhaps legitimate in the moment, but lacking any real meaningful significance with respect to my ultimate happiness upon my return to the real world. I don't know why I would even expect any meaningful significance out of such encounters...I don't...I really don't intellectually expect it. But, I think perhaps I am just growing tired of the games, tired of having to do all the work, tired of the travel, tired of spending a lot of money for what is generally just mediocre sessions, etc...

I once knew a very experienced monger, one whose screen name would probably be instantly recognized were I to divulge it. Anyway, he has since almost dropped completely off the face of the earth. You don't hear much of him these days on the boards. He eventually got married to a legitimate nice girl, in a foreign venue of course. But, I found it interesting that his reasons for getting married were that he was just tired of the games, the lies, the bar girl routine, etc...He had just finally had enough. I don't think I am at that juncture yet, not to the point of saying that I have had enough. But, I am finding myself considerably melancholy over the game itself.

I have contemplated a cooling off period with respect to returning to MTY, but I am like a drug addict, simultaneously craving and cursing whatever it is that motivates me to continue this routine. I suppose I realize that if I were to cut back, I would also be cutting back on my routine, and "routine" is what serves me well as an excuse to return.

You know, if you return regularly, each month, same period of time being gone from home, all of it being related to your regular work regimen, everybody at home expecting you to be in MTY on a monthly basis, then by cutting back on that regimen, you also cut back on the very thing that justifies your being gone, the very thing that makes your absence seem normal to everybody else.

The more you cut back on making regular scheduled trips to MTY, the more unique your absence becomes when you decide to travel frequently to MTY after taking a short vacation from it. So, if I expect to return as often as I previously enjoyed returning, it is important for me to continue my travel routine to MTY, or at least to continue traveling once a month to somewhere, so that everything seems relatively normal, and so I do not sabotage my own opportunities to return often.

If I cut back to once every two months, once a quarter, once every six months, etc...then if I choose to return on a monthly basis again, it calls that increase in travel activity into question. Whereas, if everything stays relatively static, there are no questions, and everyone is accepting of my travel circumstances.

I've considered traveling to other venues as a reprieve from the routine of the MTY bar girls, but the game itself seems to have lost it's overall appeal. I don't know what is happening, whether it's just my becoming burned out, or if I am simply developing an aversion to the work associated with the travel and coordination effort involved in a mongering holiday, or perhaps I am just developing a mature attitude with respect to my own contentedness. Whatever it is, I am feeling in a funk part of the time, and I'm charged up for a revist other times.

The point is, if you are able to travel freely, through work, or whatever, you can not cut back on that regimen without it affecting your overall freedom to monger should your batteries recharge. Just food for thought for those of us in similiar situations at home.




[QUOTE=Wastedgman]So tell me USB, do you know your way around the clubs or what? Hot damm man, you even know south from east? I only know where west is because of the pre-sunset walks to Infinito. But that's all. I don't know which way east is :-) I wonder if our local friend, Carlos, knows.

And the sun rises from the other side in the morning so I cannot see it until it’s sky-high.

Yes, Casino has 2 entrances on both roads.

When, if, I'm there, tempt me to go clubbing to some of those ones you mentioned. Will I be disappointed?

Wasted.[/QUOTE]

Watcher... you should go to Infinito instead of El Cielo.
And WOW!! walked all the way to El Cielo???

Let's see, Big Question: Why didn't you like Infinito??? El Cielo, Givenchy, Matehuala and Infinito are the same family, same setup.
Besides, the Infinito has the best girls.


Spugna: the reason there are more girls than cutomers is that Spugna is a small place, but it is a big rippoff. Part of the family of the Poisson MC, might seem it is not expensive, but at an end, as you say, if you don't look out, the tab will be quite high.

Matehuala... that place was once a hell of a place to be at. Now it is spirialing down to nothing.

Veybis... One thing Watcher: Villagomez is not a nice street to be at after sundown.

Again, I asure you that you'll forget the rest of the clubs once you see the Infinito at it's full swing.

Harem. Harem is as far away from the Infinito on Madero avenue to the East as the CP is from the Infinito... FAR!
Harem is at Avenida Madero at the corner of Carvajal y de la Cueva.
Prices at Harem, if you go there, are cheaper than the Spugna.
You'll pass along the way the Pasarelas, Excalibur and Azul Tequila (brother club to the Spugna).




[QUOTE=Watcher50]Here’S my contribution to the knowledge base here. Thanks to all the past posts, for getting me this far. I walked from the CP to the Vilagern area. Yeah it’s a long walk, but after 6 hours on a plane plus 2 hour lay over, the walk was good for me. It was a hot humid day, so I was lad to get to El Cielo and sit down. Got my 2 beers and watched to the show. El Cielo was quite dark, or maybe my eyes didn’t adjust from the day light, but I couldn’t see very much. Hard to tell the bellas from the feas. I left there and did some other exploring. I came across a place that hasn’t been mentioned Veibys, Villagomez con Arteaga. They have two center stages, one in use while I was there. When I went in there was this little morena spinner dancing. After her dance I bought her a drink and we talked, in my broken Spanish and her limited English Her name sounded like Lady, but was probably Lette. A private dance in one of the dark cubicles and she offer FS for 200p which I gladly accepted. Very tight and vary nice body. I hit Parthenon, Tango. Infinito, and didn’t like the vibe in any of them.

I went to Signore and had a "massage" from Cynthia. She was the best of the lot there. I was disappointed in the service. I know it’s a pay for play experience, but she would roll her eyes and wouldn’t participate. For the price 450p it was a better bargain the Tijuana, but the TJ chicas are into it a bit more.

I went back to CP for a rest and went to La Spugna near the hotel. There are more girls here than guys. This place seems almost as nice as Prestige, and probably just a little less expensive. The proximity to the CP, Sheraton and the American clients shows. All the chicas spoke passable English, some seemed almost fluent. I was approached almost immediately by one chica that had a nice enough body, but the teeth were not so nice. I sent her away and got left alone for awhile, then xxxxx approached, and asked that I buy her a drink. She said she was 33 but looked younger. Sge know what she was doing. While sitting on my lap she would tickle my balls, and blow in my ear. I chose for a 2 song private for 400p which was in a dark cubicle, free range touching and a bald kitty to stroke, I like that. Later she talked me into a more private area for 700p which had a larger couch and more light. She said she could get me off with a BJ, and if not a fuck. Well she was very good at the BJ, but I never finish that way. Besides, I wanted to feel that pussy. At La Spurga I only saw one enhances chica, all the others were natural, none were big titted and no gordas. My only issue is running a tab, you never k now what things cost until the bill arrives. They take credit cards, but add 10%, so watch your tab and ask the price. Tonight I’ll try Matehuala’s and see if I can find those block on Madero where the mid range places are. Can anyone give me a cross street? El Harem in the 1400 block/? I didn’t see any numbers on the buildings last night.

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Was it BB King who sang this one? and then I think it was Steve Winwood who said: "I gave you seven children and now you wanna give 'em back".

How Blue Can You Get? yeah, that's it. You should check those out.

Been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
I been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get

My love is like a fire but your love is like a cigarette
My love is like a fire but baby, yours is like a cigarette
I watched you step down on it, baby, and crush it
Tell me, how how how blue can you get

You're evil when I'm with you and you're jealous when we're apart
Yes, you're evil when I'm with you baby, lord have mercy, you're jealous when we're apart
How blue can you get ? right here in my heart

I gave you a brand new Ford but you said, "I want a Cadillac"
I bought you a ten-dollar dinner, you said, "Thanks for the snack"
I let you live in my penthouse, you said it was just a shack
I gave you seven children and now you wanna give 'em back

I been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get

Thank you Winwood

Wasted.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
Frankly, when I contemplate the upcoming trip, I am not really that excited about seeing the girls. For some reason my desire to interact with the girls just isn't what it once was, and that desire is not even up to the same level as it was a couple of months ago. I think it has to do with the hassles of coordinating my desired level of GFE activity in MTY.
.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps that's it...BB King did indeed sing "The Thrill is Gone." Perhaps I merely have the blues.

He also sang, "There's a big old cockroach looking up at me," or perhaps that was Albert King...anyway, I digress. And, I don't mean to imply comparisons between the bar girls of MTY and the cockroaches of Albert King fame :-)

Thankfully, at least I have contributed some meaningful recommendations within the last two posts to assist our most recent visitor to MTY, and hopefully I will be forgiven for lapsing into meaningless, worthless drivel such as this.

I will recover my optomism soon...Please stand by. :-)

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Was it BB King who sang this one? and then I think it was Steve Winwood who said: "I gave you seven children and now you wanna give 'em back".

How Blue Can You Get? yeah, that's it. You should check those out.

Been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
I been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get

My love is like a fire but your love is like a cigarette
My love is like a fire but baby, yours is like a cigarette
I watched you step down on it, baby, and crush it
Tell me, how how how blue can you get

You're evil when I'm with you and you're jealous when we're apart
Yes, you're evil when I'm with you baby, lord have mercy, you're jealous when we're apart
How blue can you get ? right here in my heart

I gave you a brand new Ford but you said, "I want a Cadillac"
I bought you a ten-dollar dinner, you said, "Thanks for the snack"
I let you live in my penthouse, you said it was just a shack
I gave you seven children and now you wanna give 'em back

I been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get

Thank you Winwood

Wasted.[/QUOTE]

Why didn’t I like Infinito. Shortly after I got there, they got all the girls on stage, which I thought would be an opportunity to see all talent. What happened was they got on the stage and stood there. And stood. There was a gordo in front of me, so that’s all I could see from my ring side seat. This went on and on. I think I saw one chica go for a privado, but that’s it. I was disappointed none of the girls were that good, and there was just too many people; I just couldn’t get into the vibe. As for walking on Vilagomez. I got there before dark, and went into Vieby’s after sundown, before dark. When I came out, I did walk that block, but felt safe.

This time I took a cab. I found one with a meter, cause I asked if he had a meter before I got in. I told him I wanted to go to Madero and Vilagren. What he said, so I said again. Then said Infinito. Oh that he understands. He says 40p. I say mucho, so then he starts the meter. We are almost there and the meter say 25 and change, and he says 30p. We pull up and I give him the 30. Score one for the gringo. $1 that is. I walk over to Matehuala. The place is packed and the sun has not gone down. There were some fairly good looking girls on the stage. I had hoped they would take off more than they do during the third song, but that’s the custom I guess. The groping was different than anything I had seen before. But the girls seemed to keep going to the same guys, They would come over to me, a quick touch and they were gone. So, I decided to forego the stage side and see what else was there. What I could see, was girls checking their cell phones and seemed totally disinterested. Not even looking up when I passed. I didn’t see any movement toward to rooms, so I guess that is the action.

I stuck my head into Playboy3 and I woke up the girls that were there. 3 girls and nothing I wanted at that point. So I went into Givenchy’s which I don’t think I hit the night before. Got a seat at the stage, and looked at the talent. CP is right, this is the same as Infinito and Matehuala, same set up. Same customs. I didn’t see any thing that I could approach for a dance. So, having had fun at Vieby’s I went back there. But just a little late. The spinner I saw the night before was headed to the back corner with a customer, so I sat at the stage, and there is no other talent there other than Lette. I went back to Partenon. Here I learned a lesson. I sat at the stage, and the girl I bought a drink for last night was on the stage. The waiter comes over and I get a beer. I could have sworn I gave him a 100p bill, but not sure. He did some quick move with his hand and shows me a 20 and asks about a tip. The beer is 15p so 5 is a tip for 15. The girl gets off the stage and wants me to buy her another drink. The dama copas at Partenon are 100p. Way more than anywhere else. I wonder how long they will be there with rip off (suspect) waiters and girl drinks way more than any where else. I decline as this cute blonde gets on the stage. She does her thing on the stage. The bottoms never come off here, another reason it won’t last. I invite her to a table in the back and buy her a drink, and enjoy touching and looking. She speaks little English, so the best we can do is my limited Spanish. She asks about smoking and I say no fumar. I don’t smoke and I tell her no smoke. We talk about a privado, which agrees, and then she gets the waiter to bring her a cigarette! That’s it, forget it, and I walk.

Now I am ready for closer female companionship and the bars are not happening for me tonight. This guy outside D’ Libra tells me about the deal and the girls there. I go in and there are 2 big girls half asleep on the couch. I figured that the service would be as energetic, and walked. Back to Playboy 3. The girls didn’t look so bad this time. They are playing cards, and I get a 100p price, and choose Paola, cause her top was over flowing and had nice legs. We go to the room and for another 100p sin ropa, multiple positions. She was a real pro and sucking, did a good job getting mr happy hard, and then it was on. Legs over my shoulder and then perro.

So I never got to the Madero area, maybe next time, I only had so much time, and energy. I am glad to see that my posts have been a catalyst to get the discussion going again. Thanks for all the information I gleaned here, I only hope that these posts repay a little. I have never seen what a TKT is that was on the menu at every club. Anyone what to add that to the knowledge.

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Hi Watcher,

I only drink Coke Lite in the clubs, so I am not a beer officionado, but I assume the abbreviation refers to TeKate (TKT), the Mexican Beer.

I am, frankly, surprised at your opinion of El Infinito, which is by far my most favorite club in MTY, with Givenchy being a very close second due to its new motif, and a seemingly improved influx of comparatively attractive girls, which was not formerly the case a year ago.

Sometimes, when visiting clubs like El Infinito, it will appear that there are not many girls available, but generally on a weekend night, there are 40-50 girls or more between the two shifts. If you only saw a small number on stage when you were there, they are the left overs, girls left standing that are not popular. Most of the girls are upstairs in the privados giving private, 4-minute, dances. Generally, to get a shot at the HOT girls on a weekend night, you have to literally swoop in on them as they come down the stairs or they will be snatched away by some other guy who is simultaneously waiting for them to show up again. That is my theory about what you may have experienced. Because, literally, there are a TON of good looking girls working at El Infinito, especially on weekends, and it just doesn't sound normal for you to have experienced anything but an off-night otherwise.

You said that the girls were all called up on stage when you arrived, and that would have meant that you were there during "presentation," which theoretically would have given you a full display of the talent available in the club. However, it is possible that the best talent was already occupied in the privados when presentation began, which would have left you with the gordas, the ugly girls, the girls that have no personality, etc...Depending on the the night of the week, and the time of night, sometimes the best girls are occupied almost continuously in the privados, especially on weekends. Sometimes as they come down from the privados to enter the stage during presentation, the best girls are snatched up at the bottom of the stairs, long before they ever make it back to the stage.

There is simply no other explanation because there are simply more good looking girls available at El Infinito than almost any other bar in town, and possibly even in comparison to the medium and high end bars. But, I must admit that there are times when I have visited El Infinito and nothing really strikes my fancy. But, not usually on a weekend night. Weekend nights are usually very good...lots of attractive girls...very busy, but very good. If there is anything about the weekend nights that I dislike, it is the huge numbers of guys in the clubs because they are my competition.

One thing I do notice about selection, and this is purely subjective on my part, is that I prefer the selection available at El Infinito from the afternoon shift of girls, which would be from 4pm-11pm at night. For me, the night shift of girls has never really been quite as good as the afternoon shift. Meaning, I prefer not only the look of the afternoon shift of girls, but also the superior attitudes. The night shift girls have harsher attitudes, and while there are definitely some HOT girls on the night shift, I always found that there were more attractive girls on the afternoon shift.

I think that subject would be an interesting subject for discussion here. Assuming others on here that are regulars in Monterrey agree with my assessment, I wonder why there seems to be more attractive girls on the afternoon shift than the night shift.

If you were there after 11pm, or if you arrived for the presentation that starts around 10pm, then you might have been there at a time when most of the afternoon shift girls are pulling out all the stops to be in the privados so they can rack-up a sufficient number of privados to make their salary for the night. If they don't turn at least 30 privados in a shift, they lose their salary for the night. So, I've found that many of the girls really try to be off the floor and in the privados before their shift ends because it's their last ditch effot at making salary.

And, not only that, but I have also noticed the girls turn on the charm in the privados at that hour, right before shift change, just to keep you as long as they possibly can so they can rack up those privados one after another, so they don't have to go back downstairs to snag another potential client. Which, for some girls, depending on their reputations and their beauty, or lack thereof, is time consuming at a time when they need to be racking up repetitive privados to make salary. So, maybe the girls were trying their best to stay in the privados, which might explain an apparent deficit of talent on the stage downstairs when you were there.

Weekend nights are kind of a double edged sword, better selection, but more competition from other guys, noisy, rowdy, etc...Plus, the girls can make more money by working the bars than they can on salida. So, they are less motivated to agree to go on salida during weekend nights. That is one reason that I started to only travel to MTY between Sunday and Thursday nights...but, then, lately I think I might be missing out on seleciton that is otherwise available on weekend nights, so I might start to arrive and stay Saturday to Saturday, just to get a full measure as to what other girls might be available on weekends that I've been otherwise missing during the week.

My strategy has always been to visit a lot of clubs over the course of a typical night, and it does take a lot of energy. I bet I probably spend about 70-100 pesos a night in taxi fare running all over town to the clubs, not to mention the amount of worn shoe leather walking between the close clubs, sometimes visiting them numerous times for the very reasons I sighted above.

I can honestly say that for most guys visiting MTY for the first time, it is usually about all they can do just sit in the clubs and take it all in, maybe have a privado or two. In order to really "prosper" in the MTY venue one has to work at it, visit often, and spend a lot of money on individual girls to build a relationship for action outside the bars.

However, if one is determined, one has the money, usually about 1350-2000 pesos for 1.5 hours, one can easily bar fine a girl from almost any of the clubs, take her back to their hotel, and have fun for a couple of hours in the privacy of their hotel room, assuming they are staying in a girl friendly hotel.

Again, I am surprised that you did not find better quality at the clubs, especially El Infinito. I suspect that you would have preferred the clubs I recommended on Madero, just based on the preferences you seemed to indicate from the content of your posts. But, you would have most certainly been equally put off by the slightly higher prices in those bars compared to the Lower End ones like El Infinito. And, in my case, the reason I like to troll the lower end bars is that the medium level bars will cost you a minimum of 1700 pesos to bar fine a girl. So, I stick to the lower end bars to find some acceptable bargains.

As for the waiters, and their streaks of "larceny," that is a given in Mexico. I have a routine I go through with them, and most of them know me relatively well after my having been seen in the clubs for so many years. So, it's not generally a problem for me at this juncture because they don't usually try anything on me.

Anyway, I always make a big production out of watching them count the change back to me, and if they are honest, I usually give them a little tip just to keep them that way, to motivate them toward virtuosity where I am concerned :-) They do love a Gringo, especially if you can not converse with them well in Spanish, and if you're a new face, they'll try to scam you everytime.

Every time we go to the buffets in the afternoon at Prestige or Obsession, there is almost always a "problem" with the tab, even when Carlos is present, and he is extremely well know. We are always very diligent at checking their tally of the charges because we ALWAYS experience a problem. So, maybe it's a mistake on occassion, or maybe it's deliberately attempting to scam us, but it happens to everyone, and diligence is the best strategy when it comes to getting change in Mexico, Monterrey included. And, as you indicated, the taxi drivers are no better.


[QUOTE=Watcher50]Why didn’t I like Infinito. Shortly after I got there, they got all the girls on stage, which I thought would be an opportunity to see all talent. What happened was they got on the stage and stood there. And stood. There was a gordo in front of me, so that’s all I could see from my ring side seat. This went on and on. I think I saw one chica go for a privado, but that’s it. I was disappointed none of the girls were that good, and there was just too many people; I just couldn’t get into the vibe. As for walking on Vilagomez. I got there before dark, and went into Vieby’s after sundown, before dark. When I came out, I did walk that block, but felt safe.

This time I took a cab. I found one with a meter, cause I asked if he had a meter before I got in. I told him I wanted to go to Madero and Vilagren. What he said, so I said again. Then said Infinito. Oh that he understands. He says 40p. I say mucho, so then he starts the meter. We are almost there and the meter say 25 and change, and he says 30p. We pull up and I give him the 30. Score one for the gringo. $1 that is. I walk over to Matehuala. The place is packed and the sun has not gone down. There were some fairly good looking girls on the stage. I had hoped they would take off more than they do during the third song, but that’s the custom I guess. The groping was different than anything I had seen before. But the girls seemed to keep going to the same guys, They would come over to me, a quick touch and they were gone. So, I decided to forego the stage side and see what else was there. What I could see, was girls checking their cell phones and seemed totally disinterested. Not even looking up when I passed. I didn’t see any movement toward to rooms, so I guess that is the action.

I stuck my head into Playboy3 and I woke up the girls that were there. 3 girls and nothing I wanted at that point. So I went into Givenchy’s which I don’t think I hit the night before. Got a seat at the stage, and looked at the talent. CP is right, this is the same as Infinito and Matehuala, same set up. Same customs. I didn’t see any thing that I could approach for a dance. So, having had fun at Vieby’s I went back there. But just a little late. The spinner I saw the night before was headed to the back corner with a customer, so I sat at the stage, and there is no other talent there other than Lette. I went back to Partenon. Here I learned a lesson. I sat at the stage, and the girl I bought a drink for last night was on the stage. The waiter comes over and I get a beer. I could have sworn I gave him a 100p bill, but not sure. He did some quick move with his hand and shows me a 20 and asks about a tip. The beer is 15p so 5 is a tip for 15. The girl gets off the stage and wants me to buy her another drink. The dama copas at Partenon are 100p. Way more than anywhere else. I wonder how long they will be there with rip off (suspect) waiters and girl drinks way more than any where else. I decline as this cute blonde gets on the stage. She does her thing on the stage. The bottoms never come off here, another reason it won’t last. I invite her to a table in the back and buy her a drink, and enjoy touching and looking. She speaks little English, so the best we can do is my limited Spanish. She asks about smoking and I say no fumar. I don’t smoke and I tell her no smoke. We talk about a privado, which agrees, and then she gets the waiter to bring her a cigarette! That’s it, forget it, and I walk.

Now I am ready for closer female companionship and the bars are not happening for me tonight. This guy outside D’ Libra tells me about the deal and the girls there. I go in and there are 2 big girls half asleep on the couch. I figured that the service would be as energetic, and walked. Back to Playboy 3. The girls didn’t look so bad this time. They are playing cards, and I get a 100p price, and choose Paola, cause her top was over flowing and had nice legs. We go to the room and for another 100p sin ropa, multiple positions. She was a real pro and sucking, did a good job getting mr happy hard, and then it was on. Legs over my shoulder and then perro.

So I never got to the Madero area, maybe next time, I only had so much time, and energy. I am glad to see that my posts have been a catalyst to get the discussion going again. Thanks for all the information I gleaned here, I only hope that these posts repay a little. I have never seen what a TKT is that was on the menu at every club. Anyone what to add that to the knowledge.

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Probably Watcher preffers the regular strip clubs, the kind where the girls sit with you and have a drink.
That's why he mainly enjoyed his stay at the Partenon... a pretty bad example of a Monterrey strip club.
Also by reading his post I think he is starting his mongering in one of the most agresive customer/club/girl area, which is the Villagran zone (specially the Tangalay).

Watcher, you should really distance yourself from that point and go to the Pasarelas, Excalibur, Azul Tequila, Harem zone.
Take in account this: the Azul Tequila and the Excalibur are a little more expensive than the Pasarelas and the Harem with prices equal to the Pasarelas, but with a better quality of girls, but you'll notice on the spot that the girls are a little more customer oriented.
I do agree with USB that the best to be checked out would be the Pasarelas and I suggest the Harem.
About the massage places you went to at the Villagran zone, you went to probably the worst of the lot, Playboy 3 that I didn't mention on an earlier post preciesly because it is horrible.

And yesterday Friday was a really bad day to check the clubs, mainly cause after 7 pm there was a constant downpour.
The Prestige was SLOW for a Friday, Infinito and Givenchy was low on girls. My Harem fab was not going to work and all due to a couple of factors:
Friday was the first game of the Mexican Soccer league finals and here in Monterrey Alejandro Fernandez, a big crowd-gatherer was doing his act at the Expo de Guadalupe.

When there is an important soccer games, the girls skip work cause they know the club will only be full of fans and not customers and the Expo always knocks of customers and girls,,, always.







[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hi Watcher,

I only drink Coke Lite in the clubs, so I am not a beer officionado, but I assume the abbreviation refers to TeKate (TKT), the Mexican Beer.

I am, frankly, surprised at your opinion of El Infinito, which is by far my most favorite club in MTY, with Givenchy being a very close second due to its new motif, and a seemingly improved influx of comparatively attractive girls, which was not formerly the case a year ago.

Sometimes, when visiting clubs like El Infinito, it will appear that there are not many girls available, but generally on a weekend night, there are 40-50 girls or more between the two shifts. If you only saw a small number on stage when you were there, they are the left overs, girls left standing that are not popular. Most of the girls are upstairs in the privados giving private, 4-minute, dances. Generally, to get a shot at the HOT girls on a weekend night, you have to literally swoop in on them as they come down the stairs or they will be snatched away by some other guy who is simultaneously waiting for them to show up again. That is my theory about what you may have experienced. Because, literally, there are a TON of good looking girls working at El Infinito, especially on weekends, and it just doesn't sound normal for you to have experienced anything but an off-night otherwise.

You said that the girls were all called up on stage when you arrived, and that would have meant that you were there during "presentation," which theoretically would have given you a full display of the talent available in the club. However, it is possible that the best talent was already occupied in the privados when presentation began, which would have left you with the gordas, the ugly girls, the girls that have no personality, etc...Depending on the the night of the week, and the time of night, sometimes the best girls are occupied almost continuously in the privados, especially on weekends. Sometimes as they come down from the privados to enter the stage during presentation, the best girls are snatched up at the bottom of the stairs, long before they ever make it back to the stage.

There is simply no other explanation because there are simply more good looking girls available at El Infinito than almost any other bar in town, and possibly even in comparison to the medium and high end bars. But, I must admit that there are times when I have visited El Infinito and nothing really strikes my fancy. But, not usually on a weekend night. Weekend nights are usually very good...lots of attractive girls...very busy, but very good. If there is anything about the weekend nights that I dislike, it is the huge numbers of guys in the clubs because they are my competition.

One thing I do notice about selection, and this is purely subjective on my part, is that I prefer the selection available at El Infinito from the afternoon shift of girls, which would be from 4pm-11pm at night. For me, the night shift of girls has never really been quite as good as the afternoon shift. Meaning, I prefer not only the look of the afternoon shift of girls, but also the superior attitudes. The night shift girls have harsher attitudes, and while there are definitely some HOT girls on the night shift, I always found that there were more attractive girls on the afternoon shift.

I think that subject would be an interesting subject for discussion here. Assuming others on here that are regulars in Monterrey agree with my assessment, I wonder why there seems to be more attractive girls on the afternoon shift than the night shift.

If you were there after 11pm, or if you arrived for the presentation that starts around 10pm, then you might have been there at a time when most of the afternoon shift girls are pulling out all the stops to be in the privados so they can rack-up a sufficient number of privados to make their salary for the night. If they don't turn at least 30 privados in a shift, they lose their salary for the night. So, I've found that many of the girls really try to be off the floor and in the privados before their shift ends because it's their last ditch effot at making salary.

And, not only that, but I have also noticed the girls turn on the charm in the privados at that hour, right before shift change, just to keep you as long as they possibly can so they can rack up those privados one after another, so they don't have to go back downstairs to snag another potential client. Which, for some girls, depending on their reputations and their beauty, or lack thereof, is time consuming at a time when they need to be racking up repetitive privados to make salary. So, maybe the girls were trying their best to stay in the privados, which might explain an apparent deficit of talent on the stage downstairs when you were there.

Weekend nights are kind of a double edged sword, better selection, but more competition from other guys, noisy, rowdy, etc...Plus, the girls can make more money by working the bars than they can on salida. So, they are less motivated to agree to go on salida during weekend nights. That is one reason that I started to only travel to MTY between Sunday and Thursday nights...but, then, lately I think I might be missing out on seleciton that is otherwise available on weekend nights, so I might start to arrive and stay Saturday to Saturday, just to get a full measure as to what other girls might be available on weekends that I've been otherwise missing during the week.

My strategy has always been to visit a lot of clubs over the course of a typical night, and it does take a lot of energy. I bet I probably spend about 70-100 pesos a night in taxi fare running all over town to the clubs, not to mention the amount of worn shoe leather walking between the close clubs, sometimes visiting them numerous times for the vary reasons I sighted above.

I can honestly say that for most guys visiting MTY for the first time, it is usually about all they can do just sit in the clubs and take it all in, maybe have a privado or two. In order to really "prosper" in the MTY venue one has to work at it, visit often, and spend a lot of money on individual girls to build a relationship for action outside the bars.

However, if one is determined, one has the money, usually about 1350-2000 pesos for 1.5 hours, one can easily bar fine a girl from almost any of the clubs, take her back to their hotel, and have fun for a couple of hours in the privacy of their hotel room, assuming they are staying in a girl friendly hotel.

Again, I am surprised that you did not find better quality at the clubs, especially El Infinito. I suspect that you would have preferred the clubs I recommended on Madero, just based on the preferences you seemed to indicate from the content of your posts. But, you would have most certainly been equally put off by the slightly higher prices in those bars compared to the Lower End ones like El Infinito. And, in my case, the reason I like to troll the lower end bars is that the medium level bars will cost you a minimum of 1700 pesos to bar fine a girl. So, I stick to the lower end bars to find some acceptable bargains.

As for the waiters, and their streaks of "larceny," that is a given in Mexico. I have a routine I go through with them, and most of them know me relatively well after my having been seen in the clubs for so many years. So, it's not generally a problem for me at this juncture because they don't usually try anything on me.

Anyway, I always make a big production out of watching them count the change back to me, and if they are honest, I usually give them a little tip just to keep them that way, to motivate them toward virtuosity where I am concerned :-) They do love a Gringo, especially if you can not converse with them well in Spanish, and if you're a new face, they'll try to scam you everytime.

Every time we go to the buffets in the afternoon at Prestige or Obsession, there is almost always a "problem" with the tab, even when Carlos is present, and he is extremely well know. We are always very diligent at checking their tally of the charges because we ALWAYS experience a problem. So, maybe it's a mistake on occassion, or maybe it's deliberately attempting to scam us, but it happens to everyone, and diligence is the best strategy when it comes to getting change in Mexico, Monterrey included. And, as you indicated, the taxi drivers are no better.[/QUOTE]

I was almost going to mention that there was probably something else going on that would have effected the quality in the clubs, and I speculated that there may have been a soccer game or something "sociologically" effecting the overall clubbing experience.

I am glad you responded with that explanation Carlos. It is another example of the importance of having Carlos on the ground in MTY to bring some of the nuances that can effect the clubbing experience into proper perspective, and so we can sometimes understand what might be motivating otherwise negative reports about experiences that to us seem hard to grasp. No matter how surprising those negative experiences may seem to be to those of us that frequent MTY on a regular basis, there is usually some underlying reason why the visitor did not have as good a time as we regulars know is potentially possible.

It's interesting that while the Vilagran clubs are the least expensive, they are also perhaps more hostile to the new visitor. It is kind of a "catch 22" situation. Do you go to the clubs on Vilagran, the ones that are the cheapest on-site, the ones that offer the best potential for extra curricular action outside the clubs, or to the cushier clubs on Madero, The Harem, The Pasarelas, Casino, etc...where the cost is higher all around, but the likelihood of a more welcoming environment, especially to a new visitor, is more likely.

I think that it all does come down to individual tastes inherent in the new visitor, and the expectations of the new visitor based on former experiences in the States or wherever. I myself would probably prefer the "environment" of the Madero clubs, along with the potential satisfaction offered by the low end bars on Vilagran. Unfortunately, there is no combination that perfectly fits my expectations, so sometimes I am excessively bitchy about the scene in MTY, a fault of mine, and one that does not usually prove to be the norm for most visitors. I am spoiled.

I think that we as regular visitors might sometimes overlook the overall effect of the environment in the low end bars because we have learned to adapt and turn those detriments to our advantage. But, a new visitor may not really have the tools to make such a thing occur to their advantage and overall comfort level.



[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Probably Watcher preffers the regular strip clubs, the kind where the girls sit with you and have a drink.
That's why he mainly enjoyed his stay at the Partenon... a pretty bad example of a Monterrey strip club.
Also by reading his post I think he is starting his mongering in one of the most agresive customer/club/girl area, which is the Villagran zone (specially the Tangalay).

Watcher, you should really distance yourself from that point and go to the Pasarelas, Excalibur, Azul Tequila, Harem zone.
Take in account this: the Azul Tequila and the Excalibur are a little more expensive than the Pasarelas and the Harem with prices equal to the Pasarelas, but with a better quality of girls, but you'll notice on the spot that the girls are a little more customer oriented.
I do agree with USB that the best to be checked out would be the Pasarelas and I suggest the Harem.
About the massage places you went to at the Villagran zone, you went to probably the worst of the lot, Playboy 3 that I didn't mention on an earlier post preciesly because it is horrible.

And yesterday Friday was a really bad day to check the clubs, mainly cause after 7 pm there was a constant downpour.
The Prestige was SLOW for a Friday, Infinito and Givenchy was low on girls. My Harem fab was not going to work and all due to a couple of factors:
Friday was the first game of the Mexican Soccer league finals and here in Monterrey Alejandro Fernandez, a big crowd-gatherer was doing his act at the Expo de Guadalupe.

When there is an important soccer games, the girls skip work cause they know the club will only be full of fans and not customers and the Expo always knocks of customers and girls,,, always.[/QUOTE]

I was in Monterrey on Tuesday and Wednesday, it wasn't raining then and the only soccor I saw on TV was from England, so I don't think the national team was playing. I don't often get to Monterrey, and this was my first time exploring the Vilagren area. The clubs just didn't seem that accessable to me. Very different than any where else I have been. I don't have a lot of time for mongering. Yeah I probably would have been happier going to the Madero clubs. But it was a great experience, maybe once in a life time, and I won't forget. It is always fun exploring new women. If I am ever there again, the Madero area! My travels are for business with evening fun when I can, my next trip is to Reynosa in a couple of weeks. Boys town, rip off Lipstick and door girls. Or?

Watcher,

Your recent reports have made me realize something about my own circumstances with respect to visiting MTY...It has resulted in somewhat of a new revelation to me, and in my being more open to modifying my current strategies.

With respect to your post...

Yeah, Tuesday Nights are sometimes a little slow in the clubs. Wednesday is usually a slightly noticeable improvement with respect to selection, and generally by Thursday, selection is starting to improve to the extent that it's really quite noticeable up through Saturday night, Friday and Saturday night being the best for selection of course.

Lately, I've been relatively critical of the selection available in MTY myself. I was beginning to think that perhaps it was just me, a guy becoming "spoiled" to a venue due to everything being too routine and overly familiar, the same girls, the same waiters, the same clubs, etc...As a newbie to MTY five years ago, I remember being totally in "AWE" of the HOT girls of MTY, and of the format in all of the clubs.

But, lately, I've been less impressed by the selection in Monterrey. I thought it was just me, that I was being overly critical of the current range of selection due to my own boredom with a venue that has almost grown too familiar. But, perhaps the selection is not now quite what it once was Five years ago, especially for the occassional visitor who has to really work at it as was indicated in your post.

From my perspective, it seems I have to work pretty hard to find a satisfaction level that seemed more easily attainable in the past. But, I thought that most of my current negative attitudes were the result of Monterrey "losing it's thrill," (ie: "The Thrill Is Gone" thread). At least for me, lately, it seems like it is requiring quite a lot more effort to be satisfied compared to five years ago.

I just thought my expectations were becoming unrealistic, and that due to my having experienced some of the best of times over the years past, and by my continuing to anticipate the same level of "awe" was just serving to sabotage the potential for pleasant experiences in the future. So, I have decided to start with a fresh perspective on this upcoming trip in a couple of weeks, and to seriously modify my approach as was suggested by Carlos, Mill, Porker, etc...

I also think that when I visit MTY, I am there on a mission that is really quite different than the average occassional visitor or newbie visitor. When I come to MTY, I am there for salida action, whereas the average visitor is looking more to be entertained in the clubs. I recall that when I started coming to MTY originally, I was also totally captivated by the in-club action. I don't think I actually sprang for a Salida until making at least 5-6 trips. Most of my comfort level was found in the medium level clubs like the ones on Madero. I did not really start to embrace the low end bars until I had a change in strategy several years ago, mostly due to price points.

On my initial trips to MTY, I recall coming into MTY and spending wildly on Jarras. The pitchers of refreshment for the chicas that run between 250-350 pesos, depending on the club. I remember sitting in the private areas of the medium level clubs and trying to talk to the girls. At that time, I knew almost no Spanish, and it was entertaining for me to sit with them in the clubs, having them show me their brand of attention in the semi private areas of the club, maybe having a privado dance or two from them. If I were able to find an entertaining Chica, it was not unusual for me to buy them 2-3 Jarras (Pitchers), and then to move on to the next club and do the very same thing, sometimes up until 2am in the morning.

I finally realized that were I to plow that money into actually paying for salidas, I could get a lot more "satisfaction" for the money spent, and build upon relationships with the girls to a point where sometimes what I was spending on Jarras on one girl would almost exceed what I was eventually able to pay familiar girlfriends, some of the salidas eventually only costing me 350-500 pesos at times, and that would be for their company over the course of 2-6 hours, and sometimes, if things went well, todo la noche. Then, it became evident that the cost of salidas was significantly less from the lower end bars, and I started to frequent them more often. Eventually, El Infinito became my favorite, mostly due to selection as it relates to the price of salidas.

So, my approach to Monterrey really changed after I had made several trips to town. As a result of this evolution of my strategy, I have come to a point where my expectations are really quite unrealistic with respect to what is attainable. Currently, my strategy is to avoid even the cost of paying salidas, saving 350 pesos, and to negotiate the girls end of the bargain down even further, sometimes attaining costs of 500 pesos.

So, if I really analyse the evolution of my strategy, I have myself made my own potential for satisfaction much more difficult because I have to actually turn these hookers into real girlfriends to achieve GFE's with girls for near to nothing in cost, and for a minimum of 2-6 hours, preferrably seeking todo la noche in the optimum sense. So, upon my own internal analysis, I realize that I have complicated the game so significantly that I am bound to be less satisfied because success levels are not as easily achieved as if I were to merely pay the salidas or sit in the clubs and grope the girls.

I have become extremely demanding with respect to my expectations of the girls, and I can see where I need to back off and to return to the days when I was a little less anticipatory of low cost perfection from them. This is true especially now, if in fact, as your post suggests, the girls are not quite up to par in the "here and now" compared to past years. My recent past strategy and expectations have me anticipating virtual freebies, or real low cost, Long Time commitments from the girls, something that is simply not a part of the scene in MTY. I have been painting MTY with a SE Asian, South and Central American level of anticipation, and that simply isn't fair or accurate with respect to the MTY venue.

If I intend to visit MTY, I must have realistic expectations of the girls and of the venue. So, I have decided to change my strategy. I still have a few girls that I can rely on, but I must look for other potential candidates for future salidas, to work on them, to convert them to girlfriend hookers, but to also simultaneously, in the process, be willing to play the game as it's cast in MTY.

Fotunately, as Carlos regularly assures me, these negative selection issues are things are all cyclical in Monterrey. Hopefully, the next generation will bring something fresh to the scene. I certainly hope so. But with each new generation of hope, of course, comes my own handicap, the spector of age, which will surely play an increasingly detrimental roll in my own ability to charm the hookers for freebies and reduced cost salidas.

[QUOTE=Watcher50]I was in Monterrey on Tuesday and Wednesday, it wasn't raining then and the only soccor I saw on TV was from England, so I don't think the national team was playing. I don't often get to Monterrey, and this was my first time exploring the Vilagren area. The clubs just didn't seem that accessable to me. Very different than any where else I have been. I don't have a lot of time for mongering. Yeah I probably would have been happier going to the Madero clubs. But it was a great experience, maybe once in a life time, and I won't forget. It is always fun exploring new women. If I am ever there again, the Madero area! My travels are for business with evening fun when I can, my next trip is to Reynosa in a couple of weeks. Boys town, rip off Lipstick and door girls. Or?[/QUOTE]