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[QUOTE=Jake993;1554508]If I may be so bold as to attempt a response for YummyPL, I think it as simple as economics.[/QUOTE]Strav, yes I have been in Ukraine. I think Jake's analysis is spot on. The one thing I would add is a point that cucumber makes:

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1550867]3. Russian men are gradually getting their act together, drinking (a bit) less, smoking (a bit) less and so on. They have also become (a lot) wealthier. And they are scooping up attractive girls as girlfriends, wives, employees and thus those women end up off the streets and out of the bars (taking care of babies, jobs, on holiday etc.).[/QUOTE]I think this is absolutely true in Russia, but hardly true at all in Ukraine. I don't want to be offensive to our Ukrainian brothers, but notwithstanding the very small wealthy class, they really have not "gotten their act together." So not only are there fewer economic opportunities for the girls in Ukraine, there are also fewer prospects of finding a good quality Ukrainian man.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1554666]What you think for Prague? I have been there but only tried p4p places unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I like Prague but really I have mostly brought girls with me to Prague. The economy is really pretty good in the CR so I doubt many young girls are looking for old guys like me.

A place I have had some good success with freebies is Budapest. It has been a few years but the girls were willing and the prices for hotels and restaurants were cheap. Budapest is a great city. Bucharest, in my opinion, is not a place to go. The Romanian girls are sharks, and besides, the best ones are in German FKKs. I spent a little time in Sofia this past December and it seems like it has potential.

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1557334]I like Prague but really I have mostly brought girls with me to Prague. The economy is really pretty good in the CR so I doubt many young girls are looking for old guys like me.

A place I have had some good success with freebies is Budapest. It has been a few years but the girls were willing and the prices for hotels and restaurants were cheap. Budapest is a great city. Bucharest, in my opinion, is not a place to go. The Romanian girls are sharks, and besides, the best ones are in German FKKs. I spent a little time in Sofia this past December and it seems like it has potential.[/QUOTE]Yummy thanks for the info.

I have been in Budapest. The island is nice with night clubs. Nice meat with cheap price is also a plus there.

I will try Sophia because it's close to here.

Regards.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1557334]Bucharest, in my opinion, is not a place to go. The Romanian girls are sharks, and besides, the best ones are in German FKKs.[/QUOTE]What makes the Romanian girls sharks?

Does this even apply to Romanian girls who are looking for a serious relationship?

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1557334]Bucharest, in my opinion, is not a place to go. The Romanian girls are sharks, and besides, the best ones are in German FKKs.[/QUOTE]What makes the Romanian girls sharks?

Does it also apply for the Romanian girls who are looking for a serious relationship?

[QUOTE=Koedam; 1557776]What makes the Romanian girls sharks?

Does it also apply for the Romanian girls who are looking for a serious relationship?[/QUOTE]You buy drinks, food, and spend time and get NOTHING. They want the package (marriage) but don't want to give up anything getting there. They have attitudes and are full of themselves. They are like American girls except wanting a way out of their shit economic existence. Not a place for older men to find easy sex with younger girls IMHO.

This is my experience and I normally do OK.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1557823]You buy drinks, food, and spend time and get NOTHING. They want the package (marriage) but don't want to give up anything getting there. They have attitudes and are full of themselves. They are like American girls except wanting a way out of their shit economic existence.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Somehow they are able to convince themselves that they are above it all and are entitled to something better. Which is humorous because we Western men initially respond to that attitude by thinking they are just playing "hard to get". And they seem to hate everyone. Russians, Americans, Brits, etc. Don't be fooled. Romanian girls are are a waste of time unless you are looking for a purely sex for money transaction. In which case they can be pretty hot!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1557915]Romanian girls are are a waste of time unless you are looking for a purely sex for money transaction. In which case they can be pretty hot![/QUOTE]I still have not figured out why 90% of German FKK girls are Romanian when there are so many poor, Eastern European girls out there. And yes, in an FKK, they can be a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1558209]I still have not figured out why 90% of German FKK girls are Romanian when there are so many poor, Eastern European girls out there. And yes, in an FKK, they can be a lot of fun.[/QUOTE]I think it's a simple matter of access. Romania is a member of the EU, so it should be very easy for them to travel (and work) within the EU. Ukraine is not a member of the EU, so it's more difficult for Ukrainians to travel, and work, in Europe, although they can and do.

Just another reason to hope that Ukraine will join the EU.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1558238]I think it's a simple matter of access. Romania is a member of the EU, so it should be very easy for them to travel (and work) within the EU. Ukraine is not a member of the EU, so it's more difficult for Ukrainians to travel, and work, in Europe, although they can and do.

Just another reason to hope that Ukraine will join the EU.[/QUOTE]I don't want Ukraine to join the EU mostly for that reason. All the good talent will be lost in Ukraine if they can move and work freely in Europe. My point was that it is strange to me that FKKs literally have about 80-90% Romanian girls with much less representation from places like Hungary and Poland.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1558390]I don't want Ukraine to join the EU mostly for that reason. All the good talent will be lost in Ukraine if they can move and work freely in Europe. My point was that it is strange to me that FKKs literally have about 80-90% Romanian girls with much less representation from places like Hungary and Poland.[/QUOTE]Yummy, I wonder if it's just the FKK's you frequent? I am by no means an expert having only visited Palace FKK in Frankfurt a handful of times. But each time I went there were plenty of Russians (naturally) , some Ukrainians, a Hungarian, a Colombian (if you can believe it) some Poles and a girl from Egypt. But I sure do not remember any Romanians. Maybe they just don't like Palace FKK?

[QUOTE=Jake993;1558412]Yummy, I wonder if it's just the FKK's you frequent? I am by no means an expert having only visited Palace FKK in Frankfurt a handful of times. But each time I went there were plenty of Russians (naturally) , some Ukrainians, a Hungarian, a Colombian (if you can believe it) some Poles and a girl from Egypt. But I sure do not remember any Romanians. Maybe they just don't like Palace FKK?[/QUOTE]I have already turn back from Cologne and have regrets that I didn't visit Palace. I had drived to FRA on my first day.

BTW I think it's another reason that the Romanian girls are incredibly hot, nose up and flirtitous to be the majority in FKK's.

And why most of them from costanza? I couldn't figure out.

I always prefer Russians over them but in my ten years mongering career I couldn't find a place to fuck them for 50€.

I know you will advice me St. Pete but the girls in houses never even close to the ones in FKK.

So is this just a dream to find an Aurora 911 that you can fuck the girls for 50€ or does it exist somewhere in deep Russia?

Responding to various points made by others recently:

- I was in Ukraine earlier this year (Kiev and Crimea). I had some constraints, but managed to slip away for mongering about 5 nights and 2-3 days. Historically I have found Ukrainian women very beautiful, perhaps more beautiful than Russian women. The relatively large difference in income should make the Ukrainian women more available. But I struggled and I found that prices were not all that low. Perhaps it was for lack of time to work things out.

- I was in FKK Palace in Frankfurt earlier this year. It was crawling with Romanians, as were the other places I visited in the area. I found them very beautiful, but the sex variable. That may also be because the efficiency and mass nature of the FKK experience in itself is not conducive to GFE.

- I am certainly no expert on Romanian women. But one way I think about it as you move from Russia, to Ukraine, to Moldova / Romania is that you are gradually going south. You are getting more south European flavor (which some might think of as "Latin") , both in looks and in terms of behavior. In terms of looks that is not bad and Ukrainian and Romanian women are probably some of the most beautiful in the world, corresponding to international cultural ideals which are based on average European looks, where Ukraine and Romania has similarities with the same latitude in Western Europe (although it also means that the looks start declining if you move even further south (to Greece / Turkey and onwards). In terms of behavior, you are gradually getting more coquette, slightly more hard to get, slightly more passionate girls. Of course both Russia and Ukraine are all mixed up, so there are lots of exceptions to these generalizations, but if you meet 1000 Russian women. 1000 Ukrainian women and 1000 Romanian women I think you are going to start seeing the tendency. I am not quite there yet, but working on it :)

- In my list of points about the decline of Russia as a mongering destination a while back, I forgot to mention one important indicator: the rise of African and Central Asian girls in many salons. If there were millions of long-legged, blond (isn) , firm-bodied Slavic beauties knocking down the doors there would not be space for the other nationalities. The other nationalities are often presented as exotic alternatives included for variety, but in fact (I think) they are filling a vacuum.

- I agree with YummyPL. From a cynical (Russian-speaking) mongering perspective it is better if Ukraine is kept out of the EU. And one could add, a high level of animosity between the West and Russia is a good thing. Keeps away the sheep tourists. What Putin et al have been doing recently is a godsend. Perhaps there will even be a severe economic crisis in Russia over the next couple of years. I dream of rerun of August 1998, and now there is a glimmer of hope.

- Another point on Russia: the mongerers seem to be more classy than e. G. In the Philippines, which in my impression really gets the dregs of Western men (I don't mean age or pretty faces, but some degree of education, civility, ability to reflect etc.). I think that is mirrored in the quality of postings on the ISG threads for the two destination. But personally I really enjoy sex with South East Asian women as I feel they are more submissive and (even) more feminine than the devushkas.

Cuke

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1559133]What Putin et al have been doing recently is a godsend. Perhaps there will even be a severe economic crisis in Russia over the next couple of years. I dream of rerun of August 1998, and now there is a glimmer of hope.[/QUOTE]Stop it Cuke. Don't go giving us false hope!

Visiting St Pb again, although visiting Moscow for a few days in May. Taking the fast train - meeting with a girl in Moscow I already have a "relationship" with (she's from Yaroslavl). She actually likes Moscow. While I am not technically paying her for sex I am paying, slowly, meeting by meeting, to renovate her apartment. This meeting it's the tile in her bathroom. A few years ago I would have rated her a 7.5, but in the last year or so she's put on a few kilos and her stock is falling (she left university and started a regular job). Rank her a 6.5 now in looks but we know each other well and that is a big bonus. Who likes starting from scratch?

Otherwise, I'm meeting with a girl in StPb I've been meeting with for the past few years - straight sex/money/gifts situation - and looking for a lucky hit on Mamba.

A few observations. Ruble is a downward spiral. Over 36 / dollar.

Lots of anti-American sentiment going around, though it's mostly lip-service, so far. Russian nationalism is running high, though not in the "I'm a patriot, I'm not going to meet an American / foreigner stage."

For me, the big difference between Russia and Ukraine has been the Ukrainian girls learned long ago about this thing called "internet." Russian girls seem to me a bit slower on the uptake (this is all relative. Girls in the big cities are very different from girls in the provinces).

However, if your in to "exclusive" relationships in Russia / Ukraine, forget it. If your the jealous type, your in trouble. Russian and Ukrainian girls have this idea that having multiple guys in a "relationship" with them is a great thing. And if one of them is a foreigner, all the better (all the easier to manage).

Want to know the real talent of Ukrainian / Russian girls?. All the while you think you are playing them, they are playing you. Medical tests regularly are a must if you are in a GFE relationship.

Forget the "good old days." Girls in Russia either know or soon learn about this phenomena called "internet." Once they discover it and learn how much European men are willing to pay for Russian girls in Paris, etc, and the prices change accordingly (with the top end girls. 8s). Having written that, there is still the Russian price and the foreign price, but be aware in Russia the 8s charge the Russian men the same price as foreigners. I call this the GASPROM price. The really great looking girls go after Russian men with money.

For example, there is this drop dead gorgeous girl in Piter I have met and chatted with a few times whose price is 15000 rubles for 3 hours. She is definitely, in my opinion an "8." I have never taken her up on her offer, just met her a few times for a drink, but oh boy! I am tempted. This is, of course, the same price you would get in Europe. Most of the girls I meet I would rank as "6"s and "7"s - although personally this has a lot to do with weight. I'm into the thin, almost emaciated look, so if a girl puts on a few pounds she can easily move down from a 7 to a 6.

And bye the way, the shelf life for a Russian girl is about 28. After that, their looks go down, down, down, downhill.

Now, if you can connect with the girl from the provinces, that is different, until she gets some street sense and realizes she's been naive. This means being lucky and connecting with her in one of the big cities. Anyone who would travel to a Russian rural area is crazy.

Mamba is still, albeit with some work, useful. Check out other dating sites too. Do the leg work. Prep work is critical to success in Russia, unless your living / working in Russia. With some time dedicated to prep on Mamba or pay dating sites, you can have a good time, although I can't say it will be "cheap."

For "cheap" you need to go to Asia. As far as I know that is the only place left where a casual monger can go with a budget.

If your living / working in Russia, the rules change. You will have Russian colleagues setting you up. Completely different situation.

Learning Russian? Forget it, unless your living / working in Russia. Russians HATE foreign accents. You want to be the butt of jokes? Learn a little Russian and try and pass yourself off as learning the language. Your girl and her friend are laughing hysterically? They are laughing at you and the way you try and speak Russian.

Just use a translator on your phone and don't try and show how cool you are by learning a few phrases in Russian.