Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2686662]The length of daylight hours in Medellin varies between 11 hours, 46 minutes and 12 hours. There are only 14 less minutes of daylight on the shortest day, December 22 and the longest day. And the first longest day of the year is February 9.

It has been cloudy and rainy for the past few months. It's cloudy and rainy every year at this time. In the next few weeks the rainy season will be over and you can expect to have almost no rain until sometime in June.

However, those terribly short days will continue to get shorter until June 21. All the way down to about 11 hours and 48 minutes. How depressing.[/QUOTE]Well after going to Iceland during the summer before the Pandemic, there was like 23 hours of sunshine and one hour of darkness when I was there. I had to force myself to go to sleep around 11 PM every-night to keep my internal clock right, and you talk about block out curtains in the Hotel, not two, but three curtains.

What is nice here in Colombia is that basically sun up and sun down is 12 hours apart.

Now if you want to be somewhere depressing, try Iceland in the middle of winter when your lucky to have an hour or too of daylight for a few weeks in a row.

Makes sense why there is so much obesity and alcoholism in Iceland.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686874]That is why I was surprised to see guys like Surf swimming and other guys looking for places to stay with a pool. To me it does not get hot or sunny enough there to be frolicking in a swimming pool.[/QUOTE]Right! The only time I use a pool in MDE is if its climatizada. Heated.

Right to settle this, according to Weatherspark for Envigado:
Temp, avge day is 76-77 F / 24.5-25 C, avge night is 61-63 F / 16-17 C.
Daily chance of rain 53-87%.
Rain per month 4. 6-10.6 in / 11.5-21.5 cm.
Cloudy 81-95%.

These are facts. How we personally chose to interpret the facts with opinion is subjective.

My home is:
Temp, avge day is 82-84 F / 27.5-29 C, avge night is 66-67 F / 18-19.5 C.
Daily chance of rain 5-7%.
Rain per month 0. 4-0. 5 in / 1-1. 25 cm.
Cloudy 12-18%.

Given these stats, why is my POV not valid when I say IMO it is cold, wet, cloudy and grey?

Is it true that I do not live in MDE and have no experience of the weather here? Lmfao.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686874]That is why I was surprised to see guys like Surf swimming and other guys looking for places to stay with a pool. To me it does not get hot or sunny enough there to be frolicking in a swimming pool.[/QUOTE]That is probably because he is a swimmer and use it as an exercise so it is not that weather dependent.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686883]Right! The only time I use a pool in MDE is if its climatizada. Heated.

Right to settle this, according to Weatherspark for Envigado:
Temp, avge day is 76-77 F / 24.5-25 C, avge night is 61-63 F / 16-17 C.
Daily chance of rain 53-87%.
Rain per month 4. 6-10.6 in / 11.5-21.5 cm.
Cloudy 81-95%.

These are facts. How we personally chose to interpret the facts with opinion is subjective.

My home is:
Temp, avge day is 82-84 F / 27.5-29 C, avge night is 66-67 F / 18-19.5 C.
Daily chance of rain 5-7%..[/QUOTE]Yes. It's true that you don't live in Medellin and seem to be inexperienced with the weather there.

You just stated you live in Envigado. Envigado is it's own city, located inside the Medellin metropolitan area, but outside of the Medellin city limits.

When you frequently post about El Centro, then complain about the weather in Medellin, but you're actually complaining about the weather in Envigado, it clarifies that you aren't in Medellin, and certainly presents the appearance of someone who is unfamiliar with the local weather.

Chances are, while it's raining in the part of Envigado you mistakenly chose to live in, elsewhere in Envigado the weather is quite nice, and it's downright balmy in El Centro.

If you're from somewhere where the longest daylight period is 14 hours then you're also from a place where the shortest daylight period is 10 hours. That puts it at the 30th parallel, on the same line as Houston, Texas.

Unfortunately, the average daily high and low temperatures are about as useless as a condom dispenser in a convent. For example, Houston has an average daytime temperature of 78°F, with the average nighttime temp dropping to 60°, so it's just a bit colder than Medellin. Correct?

Nope. In Houston, the hottest month averages 91°F for a high, with 99 days per year over 90°, along with 18 days per year with temperature at or below 32°F. Record high and low were 108°F and 5°F.

For comparison, the hottest month in Medellin averages 83°F for a high. The coldest month averages 80°F for a high. The low temperature average for the coldest months is 63°F, raising to a blistering 64°F in the hottest months. Record high and low are 95°F and 50°F.

Name a location, within 30 minutes of latitude of the 30th parallel (north), which has monthly average high temperatures which vary by less than 30°F, and a monthly low temperatures which vary by less than 15°F, with a high to low range of 40°and I'll gladly accept that where you are from has a reasonably acceptable climate. I'm being generous. The range in Medellin is 3°, 1° and 20° respectively.

However, with regards to temperature range, over the entire year, you won't find any place outside of the tropics with more minutes within 10°F of normal comfortable temperature for humans, which is 70°F.

Yes, it rains a lot in Medellin. A 1 hour flight away is the world's largest rain forest. If it didn't rain a lot it would be a complete nightmare. No trees, very little greenery, much worse air quality, dust storms, much higher high temperatures and much lower low temperatures. Worst of all, almost the entire city wouldn't exist. 5 million people can't survive in an area that doesn't have any water.

Here's a suggestion:

If you think the climate in Medellin is so terrible, go somewhere else. Instead of crying like a school girl who broke her favorite crayon, about something you can't change, pack your bags, act like an adult and change your location to one which better suits you. If you're only there because it's one of the few places in the world where you can afford to live and be able to pay for pussy, put on your big boy pants, stop whining about the weather and go fuck.

[QUOTE=PappiRob;2686845]I agree, this is a really helpful. Allows people to look for the girls, although Seeking still doesn't have a search for username, so have to scroll through and hope.

I was able to find all three girls on Seeking yesterday, and favorited them. Not sure how long they will be on there.[/QUOTE]Indeed they're all still there. You can search for profile names if you go to Filter and scroll down to the last one. Takes one minute to find all three that way.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2686850]You've never been to Medellin, all the regulars on this thread know that by now. Most hotels (other than the cheapest hostels) have air conditioning. My upscale hotel has both air conditioning and a wall fan.

I haven't ever used the air conditioning. Even if you were here and seeing a girl mid-afternoon when it reaches its hottest. (low to mid 80's) you could turn on a fan and be very comfortable.

Or are you so out of shape that the mere exertion of sexual activity causes you to overheat and sweat like a pig?[/QUOTE]I've never been to Medellin but I'm going to go soon. What is your upscale hotel?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686874]To me it does not get hot or sunny enough there to be frolicking in a swimming pool.[/QUOTE]Actually there is way to much sun in Medellin along with lots of dermatologists.

Granted the last few weeks here have been a bit dreary, grey, and rainy, which other posters have been remarking about, yet there has been more than enough sunshine to enjoy, albeit it's typically in the mornings as of lately from about sun up until early afternoon.

You might not like frolicking in the pool, but Colombians love it.

Last Thursday I went to the water park by the local airport with one of my Chicas, and at 11 AM it was packed because of Semana Santa, as all kids were allowed in for free. And it was plenty hot enough in that people were playing in the pools.

They have several pools that are heated, yet the large wave pool is not, so it's a bit brisk, but the Colombians were going nuts in it.

As your aware, the majority of Colombians do not have hot water to shower with in their homes, hence tolerating cold water is natural for them, versus typically not the case for foreigners.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2686850]You've never been to Medellin, all the regulars on this thread know that by now. Most hotels (other than the cheapest hostels) have air conditioning. My upscale hotel has both air conditioning and a wall fan.

I haven't ever used the air conditioning. Even if you were here and seeing a girl mid-afternoon when it reaches its hottest. (low to mid 80's) you could turn on a fan and be very comfortable.

Or are you so out of shape that the mere exertion of sexual activity causes you to overheat and sweat like a pig?[/QUOTE]Almost wish I had read that post. I've spent a summer in Chicago, with no air-conditioning. For someone in Chicago to be saying Medellin is too hot (when a hot summer day in Chicago has a heat index 30° higher than a hot day in Medellin), it's like someone in Florida complaining that Idaho has too many hurricanes.

I spent a year without air-conditioning in Medellin, and other than turning a fan on in the late afternoon (western exposure), the temperature was never an issue. I spent most afternoons walking and barely broke a sweat. Even riding my bike from Envigado to El Centro, and putting some effort into it (had to get back to La Frontera before Ciclovia ended) just worked up a reasonable sweat.

Then again, anyone who has spent their life in the Midwest and never been to Medellin won't understand the role humidity plays.

Yesterday three BMs posted their personal perspectives on the "Pay" in P4P: FunLuvr: state your price up-front, take it from there; JjBee62: let the lady go first, but have a reasonable price in mind; and IamLookin: Here's what I pay; take it or leave it. While recognizing that Pricing Pussy is not exactly high-stakes negotiation, it might still prove entertaining (at least for some of you) to consider what light the economics / business admin literature can shine on the subject. (Upfront qualifier: I'm venturing these comments as a layman; not as a certified economist / MBA, so cut me some slack. And just move on to the next post if this type of somewhat intellectualized pondering bores or irritates you.) The somewhat academic reflections that follow are just for the fun of it. In practice, I'm very much in harmony with JjBee62's low-key, good humored, don't sweat the small stuff approach and common sense advice on getting to Yes on price, though (for the reasons detailed, below) I've gravitated to the "make the first offer" camp. (An aside to JjBee62, I say "good humored", but from your post today it seems that someone's dumping on Medellin's weather is a spare-no-prisoners, sore spot with you.).

Ok, so you've identified a chica that you're eager to have come by your place for a little gambol and frolic, and you have a maximum target price in mind that's acceptable to you, based in part on your understanding of her true worth in the Medellin monger market (local and expat alike). What does the literature on negotiation have to say about the next question: "Who should make the first offer?" Thirty years ago the conventional wisdom was "Get the other guy (well, gal, in our case) to state her price first", premised on the strategic value of keeping one's cards close to the chest for as long as possible while getting the other party to be the first to disclose some useful information. But in recent years, the pendulum has swung 180 degrees, with the research now demonstrating that, in most cases, it's actually in your interest to be the first to make an offer. This change has largely come about based on the "anchoring effect" first identified by Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, the Israeli founders of Behavioral Economics. This from Wikepedia on the "anchoring effect": "In one of their first studies, participants were asked to compute, within 5 seconds, the product of the numbers one through to eight, either as 1 X 2 X 3 X 4 X 5 X 6 X 7 X 8 or reversed as 8 X 7 X 6 X 5 X 4 X 3 X 2 X 1. " For those presented with the sequence starting with the smaller numbers, the median estimate was 512. For those, who started with the higher numbers, the median estimate was 2,250. (The actual answer in both cases is 40,320).

Since then, a number of other similarly ingenious experiments have further validated / elaborated upon this "anchoring effect", regardless of whether the subjects are Stanford business school grads, or random guys off the street. The implication for price negotiations large or small: Being the first one to state a price creates a strong, unconscious bias towards your initial offer (the anchor) in the mind of the other party, and thereby tends to skew the final result in your favor.

That said, some negotiation experts qualify this conclusion as being dependent on your objective. If your aim is simply to get the best price, for sure, do make the first offer (as long as you don't low-ball so aggressively that the chica takes a walk). On the other hand, if your goal is that both parties come away from the negotiation feeling well satisfied with the outcome, you might still want to let the chica make the opening offer--with the perhaps reasonable expectation that she'll feel better about the outcome if she feels that she remained more in control of the process, and that this good feeling might translate into somewhat better, friendlier service from her in the sack.

Finally, in making one's opening bid, the negotiation literature, not surprisingly, advises one to leave some room for maneuver / compromise, rather than starting with a "take-it-or-leave-it" best offer. I guess an exception to this rule may be for the younger ISG studs who are knocking off multiple, doable chicas per day and operate in full "Don't waste my time" mode. And who understandably have no sense of investment in any particular chica. In my case, by contrast, I have as often as not invested considerable effort (and pesos) just to find the chica with whom I'm trying to make a deal (perhaps having made the luckless rounds of a dozen casas and strip clubs before having spotted her as a potential keeper, someone who really gets my juices flowing and, in most cases, also someone whom I have already taken for a super-satisfactory test drive in the case / club itself). Having made all this effort, I don't want to lose her over 50,000 pesos ($12 or so), or, in rarer cases, even 100 k.

In line with the above, during some introductory chit-chat I will have let the chica know that I'm a seasoned Medellin hand, and, when the time has come to pin down a price, will open with something like "I usually pay around 150 mil plus transport" (or "I have never paid more than x mil"). Then if we end up negotiating briefly and I agree to raise my offer by 50 mil or so to meet her counter bid, I try to leave her with the impression that I'm reluctantly making a rare exception in her case because she's so irresistible, "la belleza de Conejitos" (if not of all of Medellin).

I see that I've rambled on at some length. For those who've stayed with this post to the end, Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=PappiRob;2686875]It definitely a different world, one that I am still navigating and learning about.

This is what I did, and my advice to you:

1) Go to the Columbia main forum and click on "Links to Reports of Distinction" read the relevant ones on Facebook and Medellin.

2) Browse the Medellin forum for the last 4-6 months. Read the reports and advice that applies to you. Skim the rest (for example, I'm not interested in the current debate on weather in Medellin, but there was a bit of advice hidden in some of the posts).

3) If you don't already have one, buy a membership to The Board. Its $25 (which is a drop in the bucket to anyone who is engaged in this hobby), and by doing so you support the board and are able to DM other paying board members. Bitcoin was a PIA for me to figure out and use, but hey that's what works..[/QUOTE]That was well put. You might want to keep a copy because you'll see that same question quite often.

About your note after #4:

Don't ask for people to send you their contacts. Instead, explain what you are doing and ask for ways to find more girls. Don't be overly familiar. You don't know them and they don't know you. You aren't bros or buds. You're just a new guy hoping to learn from an old pro (how to find young pros).

Before you start sending PMs, post a few messages, introducing yourself and give an honest assessment of your experience. Speaking for myself, I'm much more likely to give you my time if you don't have much experience. If you claim to have a lot of experience, but no trip reports, and you're asking questions that everyone knows, you'll be considered just another troll.

When you PM, don't blow smoke up their ass. Just tell them you like their posts and ask your questions. I don't need to read that you think I'm the greatest. It makes me doubt your honesty and judgement.

Post about your trip. The biggest lie on ISG is "I'll be sure to post a report. " Post about the good and the bad. Make sure to mention the stuff that took you by surprise. There are always little things which nobody told you about, for example Colombians greeting everyone and saying something when entering and leaving an elevator. Or, waiters will not come to your table unless you signal them. You will be sitting there looking at the menu for 6 hours if you don't catch someone's eye and wave them over.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2686880]Well after going to Iceland during the summer before the Pandemic, there was like 23 hours of sunshine and one hour of darkness when I was there. I had to force myself to go to sleep around 11 PM every-night to keep my internal clock right, and you talk about block out curtains in the Hotel, not two, but three curtains.

What is nice here in Colombia is that basically sun up and sun down is 12 hours apart.

Now if you want to be somewhere depressing, try Iceland in the middle of winter when your lucky to have an hour or too of daylight for a few weeks in a row.

Makes sense why there is so much obesity and alcoholism in Iceland.[/QUOTE]You're preaching to the choir (hopefully without any inappropriate touching). I spent 3 winters in Idaho, 2 years in the pacific northwest and 1 summer in Adak, Alaska. The only good thing was staggering drunkenly back to the ship at 2 am and it was still light out.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2686983]Yesterday three BMs posted their personal perspectives on the "Pay" in P4P: FunLuvr: state your price up-front, take it from there; JjBee62: let the lady go first, but have a reasonable price in mind; and IamLookin: Here's what I pay; take it or leave it. While recognizing that Pricing Pussy is not exactly high-stakes negotiation, it might still prove entertaining (at least for some of you) to consider what light the economics / business admin literature can shine on the subject. (Upfront qualifier: I'm venturing these comments as a layman; not as a certified economist / MBA, so cut me some slack. And just move on to the next post if this type of somewhat intellectualized pondering bores or irritates you.) The somewhat academic reflections that follow are just for the fun of it. In practice, I'm very much in harmony with JjBee62's low-key, good humored, don't sweat the small stuff approach and common sense advice on getting to Yes on price, though (for the reasons detailed, below) I've gravitated to the "make the first offer" camp. (An aside to JjBee62, I say "good humored", but from your post today it seems that someone's dumping on Medellin's weather is a spare-no-prisoners, sore spot with you.)..[/QUOTE]I'm the official greeter for the ramble on for some length club. I'll send your application to the membership committee.

You hit perfectly on my method. I want a deal where everyone comes out a winner. I'm also willing to play the long game. I don't need that girl on that day and 3 days later, my offer might be much more attractive to her.

I'm also looking long term. I'll probably be in Medellin many more times. I have a reputation of being fair and providing an experience appealing to the girls. When some girl puts my picture on the chica grapevine, she'll likely get a thumbs up from someone.

I think the proof of whether your method works is whether or not most of the girls want to see you again.

In regards to the weather, I just don't understand the complaints. I've worked outside in temperatures from -47°-125°, often dealing with extremely high humidity. I've worked outside in snowstorms, ice storms, dust storms and thunderstorms. I've dealt with 5 months of almost constant rain and 3 weeks when temperatures stayed below -20°. Then there are the nights, when it's still 85° at midnight.

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[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2686983]Yesterday three BMs posted their personal perspectives on the "Pay" in P4P: FunLuvr: state your price up-front, take it from there; JjBee62: let the lady go first, but have a reasonable price in mind; and IamLookin: Here's what I pay; take it or leave it. While recognizing that Pricing Pussy is not exactly high-stakes negotiation, it might still prove entertaining (at least for some of you) to consider what light the economics / business admin literature can shine on the subject. (Upfront qualifier: I'm venturing these comments as a layman; not as a certified economist / MBA, so cut me some slack. And just move on to the next post if this type of somewhat intellectualized pondering bores or irritates you.) The somewhat academic reflections that follow are just for the fun of it. In practice, I'm very much in harmony with JjBee62's low-key, good humored, don't sweat the small stuff approach and common sense advice on getting to Yes on price, though (for the reasons detailed, below) I've gravitated to the "make the first offer" camp. (An aside to JjBee62, I say "good humored", but from your post today it seems that someone's dumping on Medellin's weather is a spare-no-prisoners, sore spot with you.).

Ok, so you've identified a chica that you're eager to have come by your place for a little gambol and frolic, and you have a maximum target price in mind that's acceptable to you, based in part on your understanding of her true worth in the Medellin monger market (local and expat alike). What does the literature on negotiation have to say about the next question: "Who should make the first offer?" Thirty years ago the conventional wisdom was "Get the other guy (well, gal, in our case) to state her price first", premised on the strategic value of keeping one's cards close to the chest for as long as possible while getting the other party to be the first to disclose some useful information. But in recent years, the pendulum has swung 180 degrees, with the research now demonstrating that, in most cases, it's actually in your interest to be the first to make an offer. This change has largely come about based on the "anchoring effect" first identified by Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, the Israeli founders of Behavioral Economics.[/QUOTE]Thanks again Nil.

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[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2686968]I've never been to Medellin but I'm going to go soon. What is your upscale hotel?[/QUOTE]Is if the door can be locked from the inside, then he's good.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2687036]Is if the door can be locked from the inside, then he's good.[/QUOTE]You forgot the indoor plumbing.