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And the pattern is very similar to me in the case of (actual or graduated) college girls working as part-time sexworkers and other niche opportunities in the mongering scene (only with the difference that I would never apply to agencies myself, while I would consider some of these opportunities, especially if I were a foreign newbie in Budapest having a generous, yet at the same time reasonable budget) But I have already unfolded my position about it earlier in several posts, so I won't tire the audience with that again in detail. I would only come back to one aspect here, directly replying to this.

[QUOTE=Bts23;2368119] I really don't understand why girls with their own websites that work part time would be any different, again I am not claiming they are all bad, but with no objective feedback it is nothing more than an educated guess (at best). I have met girls that are part time escorts on Rosszlaynok, but I am not sure that the fact that they work part time is a defining characteristic that necessarily leads to a very good or great experience. [/QUOTE]Of course if you only change one parameter, that probably won't lead to a revolutionary change in the service. If you meet a regular girl from rosszlanyok, who happens to work less working hours a week than other girls (something we can call part-time), but in the usual framework and under the usual circumstances of the mainstream market segment, then the service will probably remain very similar to the standards as well (however, the price won't differ too much either, so in this case the term "part-time" is not a defining characteristic in any sense, I can agree with that). But I was talking about something else, and I insist that there may be a different type of service that even the best "standard girls" won't be able to offer (again I don't want to repeat myself, perhaps the best description about it is in the last paragraph of my post #5373). And I would probably not pay the rates of this special service in Budapest, which I know well and even feel like my home ground by now, but if I were on a one-off business trip there, I would perhaps consider a dinner date with a girl, with whom, in addition to very good sex of course, I can also talk about the the city and local curiosities (and perhaps many other topics) in fluent English and cultured manner at a fancy restaurant, and then walk along the Danube to my hotel without the unpleasant feeling that everyone knows we are sexworker and client (let's call it GFE advanced level). And let me remind you, we're not talking about astronomical prices, as a girl like that (if you can find one) usually works at an hourly rate of 150-180 euros, which is yes, significantly higher than the average rate, but in a fortunate case the service you get is significantly different from the average as well. (I mean, "exploiting the prices in Budapest" can of course come simply from paying half or even less of the price you should pay at home for a standard service, but you can have the same feeling after paying the latter price but getting much more for it). However, in my view this is not a question of "Skoda vs. Lambo" (it's been an analogy used in a similar recent debate in the Prague thread), but rather choosing the restaurant for a dinner, when having a good meal is a requirement by all means, but I can decide if I would like to pay extra money for a more complex experience (nice view on the Danube and the Castle, good live jazz music, some special delicacies on the menu etc). And it's partly a question of personal budget of course, but not necessarily and not exclusively that, as even in the case of the same person: when visiting a foreign city I may take different decisions on the same trip and within a couple of days, whether I would like to have those extras (and pay for them) or not.

[QUOTE=Bts23;2370766]Strip clubs in Budapest are certainly not brothels, as this website claims. It has already been explained on here numerous times (including to the guy that posted this link) why they should be avoided.[/QUOTE]Everyone makes his own decisions in life on how to have fun. I will never limit myself to punching telephone numbers or drooling over faked escort pictures. I like to go out and have fun with whatever life brings, and so far I can talk face to face with girls at clubs, bars or street and ask them for their company. I don't promote any website, any provider, or claim to be a local or expat with complete knowledge of the scene. The only regret you can have in life in not taking chances and let fun slip through.

[QUOTE=Hilvar;2371146]I usually like your posts and reviews very much (and in general I appreciate your contribution to the forum), but here we have a disagreement for sure. The first element is even kind of personal, as reading your reply I had the feeling that it was aimed at an exponent of the agency business, which I'm certainly not. Quite the contrary in fact, as I have never applied to any agencies or middlemen to arrange a paid sex date for myself, nor have I ever encouraged anyone to do so. You can also check that my first advice to newbies is always directing them to the "Tips for mongering in Budapest" thread..[/QUOTE]You did state that Showgirls VIP was "more or less OK" which could be taken as an endorsement of their agency. I was merely pointing out that I definitely disagreed with that and I provided a very detailed explanation why I did. There was nothing personal towards you intended in my comments. You seem like a nice guy and you generally offer opinions or advice that I agree with.

The tips for mongering was helpful when it was first written, but now there is advice that in a few cases is confusing and contradictory on several points. Two experienced guys write to avoid agencies, but then there is a link (see below) which shows websites for 50 different agencies including some that we know use fake photos and misleading advertisements. Two experienced guys also say to avoid streetwalkers, but then there is a long detailed post about how to pickup streetwalkers.

[URL]https://openadultdirectory.com/escorts/Hungary/[/URL]

A very common question on this thread is people asking for reliable agencies, high quality agencies, or some variation of that same theme. The consensus on here has always been is that they don't exist in Budapest. I have seen nothing presented on the forum recently that would change that answer. Yes, I realize that not everyone wants to see girls on the two main websites that most of us recommend. However, there is nothing wrong with providing realistic and helpful advice about both options (agencies vs independent advertisers on Besz and Rossz).

Here is a good example of how you someone can benefit from useful advice on here that is presented in a way that lets the individual decide what is the best option for them. A guy asked about having sex with a girl from a strip club. He was given plenty of good advice explaining why to avoid strip clubs in Budapest, but if he still wanted to visit one for "entertainment" purposes (not sex) that there were a few that were considered somewhat safe. He was also given advice about the girls on the two websites that we recommend. He decided to see one of the most popular ladies on Beszamolok and was quite happy with his experience. Check out his post below - #4591.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?692-Budapest&p=2199444[/URL]#post2199444.

[QUOTE=Hilvar;2371154]And the pattern is very similar to me in the case of (actual or graduated) college girls working as part-time sexworkers and other niche opportunities in the mongering scene (only with the difference that I would never apply to agencies myself, while I would consider some of these opportunities, especially if I were a foreign newbie in Budapest having a generous, yet at the same time reasonable budget) But I have already unfolded my position about it earlier in several posts, so I won't tire the audience with that again in detail. I would only come back to one aspect here, directly replying to this..[/QUOTE]I have to say that I am somewhat confused by your posts about girls advertising on their own websites (not with agencies). When there was a debate about the supposed superiority of porn stars and "high quality" girls compared with the so called "ordinary" girls that advertise on Rosszlanyok, you indicated that there were stunners available on Rosszlanyok based on their looks, attitude, and service. I agree with you on that, although they are not always easy to identify. However now you seem to dismiss these same girls as just being "standard" and being several levels below these "part-time" sexworkers.

I only highlighted the part-time aspect in my previous post because you had indicated in two prior posts that these girls deserved a higher rate due to their part-time status and that you assumed it would translate to a higher level of service. See post#4416 below. I don't necessarily disagree with the premise, but I have met girls that have been excellent or average that see very few customers (2-3 week) and also ones that see many customers each day that were average or excellent. So my personal preference is of course to see someone that sees fewer customers per week (or day), but I wouldn't necessarily pay a significant premium for it.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?692-Budapest/page72[/URL]

I certainly understand the service that you are describing and how it differs from the girls that we typically discuss on here. I also understand why guys would want to see girls that supposedly provide this experience. However, almost every agency or girls advertising on their own website promise this same experience, but very few deliver on their promises. So even if you eliminate the ads with stolen or unrealistic photos, you are still left with making an educated guess on the remaining ads since there is very little (or no) objective feedback to do any further filtering. I agree the risk is a little lower in Budapest because of the fact that prices are less expensive here compared to other places. Of course, guys can decide for themselves if the premium and unknowns are worth the monetary risk. I just think we should provide a realistic picture to people looking for advice.

My opinion is that you can probably find excellent, average, and terrible girls available in the different segments of the Budapest sexworker market. But how do you consistently find very good to excellent girls in each segment and what is the average cost?

I feel fairly confident that I can consistently find very good to excellent girls on Rosszlanyok and Beszamolok that charge a very reasonable price. Of course this is based on my preferences which are likely different from others. I have very little confidence that I can find very good to excellent girls in the other market segments and my expectations are higher as the cost increases.

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[QUOTE=Hilvar;2371143]A weird post indeed, and your style and approach so alien to me that I could hardly find a common denomination even to discuss it. Only one concrete remark: I would not consider a girl like Rubi myself, but I remembered her name from a "girls below 20 k HUF" list, and after checking her ad, the automatic answering function immediately gives an 18 k rate for an hour (compared to the 25 k in your post).[/QUOTE]It's obvious what kind of girls I like if you took the time to see the complete list. But, you focused on Rubi. Yes, she is overweight and not at the top of my list, but I will do her. As per the price, it's not uncommon some girls to add a "premium" to the price for foreigners. As long as the price for non-pornstar girl is in the range 20,000-30,000 HUF I'm OK. Also, girls have every right to charge what they want. I never bargained and never will. If I like the price OK, if I don't like the price I'll pass. As long as we have mutual respect and she provides the services agreed there is no big difference for me whether the price is 20,000 or 30,000 HUF.

Also, everything could be written nowadays, but the reality of the situation is that new "normal" for Budapest is 20,000 HUF. If you take into consideration the fact that for the most of the girls anal would be extra (if they ever do it) and facial / or swallowing / or kissing would be extra too, you are looking at the 10,000 HUF for 2 extras. Rubi has full package, so if you eliminate the anal extra and one of the following: facial / or swallowing / or kissing, you will see that the price that she quoted of 25,000 HUF becomes 15,000 HUF easily. Of course some women like Nelly, Viki, Lilike (Hajnalka) will charge 20,000 HUF for the foreigners. Others like Klaudia will charge 25,000 HUF, but without swallowing (extra 5000 HUF), without kissing (extra 5000 HUF), without facial (she does not do it, but for sake of the argument another 5000 HUF extra), anal (she does not do it but let's add another 5000 HUF). Even if those 4 extras are not at 5000 HUF but 3000 HUF instead, we are looking at at least 12,000 HUF in extras on top of 25,000 HUF.

Update on the one track goal I'm wasting too much time on.

For the porn star booking, I raised hell on Twitter. Nothing. Then co-star Nelly Kent started announcing her availability thru them on Twitter. Replied to her tweets griping about no replies. She replied to send her a Twitter DM. We got to talking and she asked me for my phone # to forward to "her agency" so I did, and within 20 minutes, this +44 cellular number that's been mute for the last week or so started reaching out to me.

Thank you Nelly Kent for getting the ball rolling.

So they asked me did I want to arrange her during her Paris tour in progress? Told them Sadly Paris isn't one of the cities I'll be in, but I'll be in Budapest on these dates. They say she should be back in Budapest by then. I started leveling things by saying I'm interested in Nelly, but also interested in the following Budapest stars, shot off 5 names, 4 I have not that much interest in.

They answered Alyssia Kent will be available that week. I said set me up for Alyssia Kent STAT.

So not sure if I went overboard but asked them exactly what is included in 2 hour base price, exactly what am I paying for? They went AWOL. Hopefully it's the time change and they'll be back tomorrow. Stay tuned?

So a few questions for fellow hobbyists on here: Some of you have arranged to meet names like Shona River or Darcia Lee. In those settings, was the listed / agreed donation amount the out the door price? I'm just wondering if I'm being set up for a bait and switch with "Oh $600 you just gave us? That is just the appearance fee, if you want sex, you pay her an extra $1500".

Also, in Budapest are there girl friendly hotels / hourly rate hotels?

And these people quoted me Alyssia's rate plus taxi fare. Taxi? She gets paid to do porn, she's collecting an addt'l $$$ few hundred from me, how is the taxi ride not covered? Yeah I went there.

Fingers crossed. Session with porn star bucket list goal. I feel like I'm right there. Only other option, being based in Texas, is keep tabs on when Frida Sante does another (hopefully annual) Mexico City / Puebla homecoming tour.

[QUOTE=Bts23;2370765]I have to say that this is one of the strangest posts that I have ever read on this forum. You have written a long detailed post about contacting 15 women in Budapest, but you didn't meet a single one? Then you make recommendations or tell us to avoid certain women based on contacts that you made with them by phone or by messages. You also claim that you can evaluate and determine by their responses whether they are "normal and stable". Besides the fact that any rational person would find this to be an impossible task, sometimes women will answer calls or respond to messages for another lady if she is busy with a customer. So you may not even be communicating with the lady that you think that you are.

There are pros and cons about almost every city on this forum. One of the negatives about Budapest is that communication with some women can be difficult and their availability can be very unpredictable. So if you expect immediate responses from every lady that you contact and that all of them are going to be excited to meet you, then you are being completely unrealistic. Since you mentioned in your post 8 separate times that "it's all about the communication", obviously you know that communication is a two way street. Popular well reviewed women get contacted by guys all day long and have plenty of customers to chose from, so some only make appointments by phone because they are listening to you to determine if they think you will be a difficult or an undesirable customer (based on their past experiences). This is quite different from other places where the communication and screening is usually handled by a third party.

Also it would be wise to pay close attention to what they write in their messages. For example Noemi also advertises on Beszamolok and if you read her recent reviews, you will see that she charges 20,000 HUF per hour and not the 30,000 HUF that you she quoted you. Some women are quick to respond to foreigners because they assume that they will be happy to pay higher than normal prices since the "normal" prices in Budapest are much lower compared to other cities.[/QUOTE]Different people find different things strange. For me it's strange to go back and forth, page after page on this forum reading about escort agencies. Or massage salons. Or bars, clubs and street action. Or paying 300,500,700 or 1200 EUR for an hour with a pornstar. As per the trip, it was mainly a business trip. I regularly visit Budapest, although I "disconnected" from the Budapest scene for the last 2-3 years. This is my attempt to "reconnect"-boots on the ground. I'll be regular visitor to Budapest again, so this is no problem for me, maybe it's strange for you. I fucked dozens of women in Budapest. I love the city, love the women. So, really there's no need for you to go in "schooling mode". Communication (especially on the phone) is another filter buddy, like the reviews are. The information is available on this forum, so what you do with that information is up to you.

Popular and well reviewed lady like Alice when she is full for the day, proposes a time for the next day and then sends you a SMS half-hour to hour before to confirm. Popular and well reviewed lady like Klaudia rings you back if you called her while she was busy. And on and on. There is no excuse for bad behavior. You don't have to be "genius" to understand why Fanny was on my list. Did I expect that kind of behavior from her? No. Did I expect lunatic screaming on the phone? No. The fact that I deleted her contact speaks volumes about what I think of her. Most of the girls were called on a daily basic over 5 days. So I did not expect response from all of them right away. Back in the days when I fucked Viviana (pornstar Choky White) I was calling for 2 days straight. But, when I got her on the phone she was pleasant, and we agreed for the time. She had an apartment near the Parliament. So, when Regina can not be reached for 5 days straight during her call me now rosszlanyok phase, when Fanny is screaming like crazy, and when Anna throws the phone and you hear:"beep, beep, beep" as soon as you open your English mouth, you are coming back to reality. Brother SammyT has positive review about Fanny21 as well as Anna. I don't. And another reviewer on rosszlanyok has bad review for Anna regarding the communication, so I'm not alone. Regina doesn't have bad reviews on rosszlanyok, but I and another guy on this forum reported:"good luck getting in touch with her". For Fanny I clearly indicated that she quoted 20,000 HUF. I go with taxi. I clearly indicated added transport (approx.). Fanny didn't gave me her address, so I can't say whether her location is technically in 18 or 14 district. There was a monger on rosszlanyok that pointed out that she was in XVIII district. I don't know whether that was typo or not. Experiences have a lasting impression. You had a great experience, so you dismiss mine. I had a bad experience, so I dismiss yours. As far as Noemi, it's not uncommon for some girls to add a "premium" to the price for foreigners. We had a good communication and she is within my acceptable range 20,000-30,000 HUF. I never bargain with the women for the price.

Hi fellow mongers,

Been following this thread for a long time and finally have the opportunity to visit Budapest next week, Kiev and Budapest have always been my dream destination to monger and I'm still confused between the two, I wanted to seek inquiry on following points. I have read through some reports and wanted to aggregate the final results here for my trip.

- are the girls generally friendly over there? I'm 29 year old dude, speak only English and have watched tonnes of videos on youtube of girls being friendly and approachable in bars / clubs.

- speaking of clubs, what are some of the best clubs to party / drink considering a 3 night trip, also how easy / difficult is it to hook up in them.

- I read mongering tips report stating to avoid strip clubs, are there none where I can have a nice evening without fear of getting ripped off?

- any online portal other than rossy to outcall / incall premium girls in Budapest? Also what are the options in last week of September for a guy seeking pornstar experience.

Certainly the mongering scene cannot be that bad as stated in some reports, please throw in some positive inputs for "sex capital" of the world.

Please feel free to ask any clarifying questions from me, I am really looking forward to have a nice mongering time in Budapest next week. Thanks for helping me, merci.

I've never met Shona River or any of these other porn stars, but if you read the reviews normally PSE is inclusive in the price.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2371574]Update on the one track goal I'm wasting too much time on.

For the porn star booking, I raised hell on Twitter. Nothing. Then co-star Nelly Kent started announcing her availability thru them on Twitter. Replied to her tweets griping about no replies. She replied to send her a Twitter DM. We got to talking and she asked me for my phone # to forward to "her agency" so I did, and within 20 minutes, this +44 cellular number that's been mute for the last week or so started reaching out to me.

Thank you Nelly Kent for getting the ball rolling.

So they asked me did I want to arrange her during her Paris tour in progress? Told them Sadly Paris isn't one of the cities I'll be in, but I'll be in Budapest on these dates. They say she should be back in Budapest by then. I started leveling things by saying I'm interested in Nelly, but also interested in the following Budapest stars, shot off 5 names, 4 I have not that much interest in.[/QUOTE]

Anyone know Leona MILF contact info? I reviewed her on this board and on rosszlanyok but now her profile is dead. I'm wondering if she switched names possibly? She was around 39, quite tall maybe 160-170 cm, fit body. Did amazing DT and BBBJ.

Hi fellows,

Some of you have already had a meeting with Darcia Lee and.

I confess that I am very jealous of it.

I'm in Budapest in November and wanted to know if Darcia still does escort?

If someone can help me with information, I would be very happy.

Thanks in advance.

So for last several days I was back and forth with the escort agency. It looked like this was really happening. I could feel it. Session with porn star here I come.

And then.

They say I was good for this Wednesday. Just needed me to give address and preferred time. I scrambled and found a decent looking apartment for $35 (fees and taxes made OTD closer to $62 FML).

Gave them the address.

Then THE RUG.

"I regret to inform you Ms. Kent is booked for shooting porn scenes that week. Sorry. ".

WTF. Seriously WHAT. THE. ACTUAL.

Not sure if she really is booked. Or if they were expecting Ritz-Carlton / Marriott and got a single room apartment in District VI instead.

I'm on improv just days from my trip. Alyssia Kent was the whole point of coming to Budapest. Not sure what to do. This screws up everything. Saw maybe 2 or 3 Rosszlanzok listings that were passing grade.

I don't know if I cut them loose, or re-affirm to them I'm not European with ability to hop to Budapest on moment's notice, I'm visiting from Houston TX with limited chances to be in Budapest, is there anyway she can still meet after her day plan. Or what is typical Budapest porn producing high season to avoid so I'm not interrupting these performers.

Sunk $70 in RT airfare from Milan, $62 in a room. Maybe in lieu of Budapest / hobbying head down to Florence and get my photo opp with the Leaning Tower, idk. Or Vienna instead. I'm running on fumes tbh.

Send me a private message as to who you are looking to meet on rossy and I will help.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2373356]So for last several days I was back and forth with the escort agency. It looked like this was really happening. I could feel it. Session with porn star here I come.

And then.

They say I was good for this Wednesday. Just needed me to give address and preferred time. I scrambled and found a decent looking apartment for $35 (fees and taxes made OTD closer to $62 FML).

Gave them the address.

Then THE RUG.

"I regret to inform you Ms. Kent is booked for shooting porn scenes that week. Sorry. ".

WTF. Seriously WHAT. THE. ACTUAL.[/QUOTE]I am not surprised by your bad experience with that agency for porn stars. They are known for being not reliable. So, you traveled to Budapest all the way from America, spent your money on a plane ticket / apartment, to meet a porn star you wanted to fuck & they ruined it for you. I guess you have learned from your mistake, be very careful not to make another one with girls from rosszlanyok, be very careful whose advice you will take. I can easily meet Alyssia Kent, she is in Budapest & will be there for 3 more weeks. There is no such thing as Budapest porn producing high season. So, basically you asked the wrong question. The key thing is to contact someone who knows what is the situation with porn stars day in day out, someone who is connected.