Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1918733]Don't worry about this thing guys. Be polite to the locals and have fun. This scare mongering is uncalled for. Anyways, don't listen to these negative guys. Learn a little Thai and enjoy a new experience.[/QUOTE]Not meant to be scaremongering nor deliberately negative.

I merely related what I was told in Cubao, Manila and extrapolated it to Bkk, and it made sense to me.

It was also a warning for those who might not have the "in-your-face" braggadocio of Bkkdog or who need to fly under the radar.

To argue that there is a direct consequential impact on P4P prices arising from some punters being generous tippers is so ridiculous as to be unworthy of serious consideration. It is nothing more than an excuse cheap Charlies use to justify their miserly stinginess.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1918689]When we see a market start to develop a double or triple pricing, it is always the beginning of the end, the beginning of the long slide downwards for this market. 300-500 extra may be small, but it is just the start, it usually get worse and worse when every naive tourist or expat just pay and pay according to the shop's liking. Very soon the naive foreigners will be paying 1000 more than ordinary somchai. The trend would just keep going.

I have seen many markets in ruin just in these few years due to this attitude. Naive foreigners paying 1/2 or 1/3 of Thai monthly salary for a ST in some local somchai joints. The whole BKK areas pricing have basically been ruined by this attitude, including very local joints in Pinklao, Bearing, La Phrao, Minburi, ect in recent years these once honest local somchai joints all have learned their trick to extort 300-500 or 1000 or even more off foreigners with these attitude. It's not fun anymore when most of the mamasan and papasan try to extort as much from you as they can simply because you are foreigner. These BKK local joints in the suburbs unfortunately have all slid into such.

I hope these people confined themselves to BKK, since the whole scene local or foreign there have been pretty much ruined by this attitude. I am glad the world is not too small, there are still some little green spots here and there for us to enjoy and don't need to pay 1/2 or 1/3 of local month salary for a ST. But of course we will try to keep these little green spots pure of contamination as long as possible. A few with this attitude can surely ruin it in no time.[/QUOTE]Although I agree with dog, Shinshin is pretty cool. I find it funny that dog's reply was in IE. Mr. T would say "sit your a $$ down fool" but Shinshin reply with calm manner which was like conversing with oil and water. I actually like, he is classy guy. I agree with dog on that any Asian country if you know bit of their language gets you very far.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1918733]Don't worry about this thing guys. Be polite to the locals and have fun. This scare mongering is uncalled for. I've made plenty of friends in Sephan Kwai with the regulars and often sit with them. Very few Japanese guys in the bars when I have attended. There have always been 99% Thai. Anyways, don't listen to these negative guys. Learn a little Thai and enjoy a new experience.[/QUOTE]"Scaremonger"; Very well put. I like it. Is "naysayer" too formal? How about "craphound" because he poo poo's everything?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1918759]Not meant to be scaremongering nor deliberately negative.

I merely related what I was told in Cubao, Manila and extrapolated it to Bkk, and it made sense to me.

It was also a warning for those who might not have the "in-your-face" braggadocio of Bkkdog or who need to fly under the radar.[/QUOTE]So what you are saying is don't go to Sephan Kwai if you are shy and don't go to Sephan Kwai if you are a criminal. Good thinking. It you want to fly under the radar, you should go to Nana or Soi Cowboy or maybe even Climax. Thanks for the stupid warning.

Wow, you guys are unbelievable. You post a report about the cheapest set of Go Go's in Bangkok and you get an old fart complaining the prices are still too high, the price police mistaking it as Nana and Soi Cowboy, and the girly men warning of a local mob that will attack you for invading their territory in the Philipines, oh wait, I mean Bangkok. LOL. You guys are too much. Get a life really! With all due respect, I'm just sayin.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;1918612]Yes, same. Demonia Bangkok has a website that covers this. [URL]http://www.demoniabangkok.com/rates_demonia_bangkok.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Gives the price for membership and drinks but does not cover price of the gals.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1918733]Don't worry about this thing guys. Be polite to the locals and have fun. This scare mongering is uncalled for. I've made plenty of friends in Sephan Kwai with the regulars and often sit with them. Very few Japanese guys in the bars when I have attended. There have always been 99% Thai. Anyways, don't listen to these negative guys. Learn a little Thai and enjoy a new experience.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Amazing that anyone would feel threatened there. And yes, there are some clubs that we are not so welcome in; but so what? Thai dudes are not allowed into Nana and Cowboy GoGos.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1918515]Bkkdog is telling it like it is. If you want a pretty little CH, Baccara, RB, Mandarin Go Go girl between 8 pm and midnight it is going to run you between 2500 and 3000 for ST plus drinks, which are not mandatory except in Baccara, although recommended everywhere to set the right mood, plus the barfine. That's the current Go Go price Ziggy whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]Not a scam at all, but in my mind way too much for what is normally delivered. Most BKK GoGo gals are still 25 USD f*cks no matter what they are charging.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1918789]Not a scam at all, but in my mind way too much for what is normally delivered. Most BKK GoGo gals are still 25 USD f*cks no matter what they are charging.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that "MOST" BKK Go Go gals are not worth it in the looks department, but I focus on that 10% which equates to the 4 or 5 girls that I view as very sexy and look worthy that I find in the better Go Go's like CH for example. In the early stages of a BKK visit, I randomly call the attractive, available ones over for a drink and then I see what develops.

My MO is simple: I rarely go to a Go Go to find a new girl for a specific night when I am horny. When I am in need, which is typically only on the first couple of days in town, I visit an oily in the afternoon or a soapy in the early part of the evening to take the edge off before I hit the Go Go's. I swear the Go Go girls can smell the scent of sex on a man and they like it. The result of having been laid earlier is that I am in a very relaxed confident mood when I enter a Go Go so I can take my time and enjoy the evening meeting new girls. I like to buy a prospective Go Go girl a drink or two and get to know her a little. I go slow and let her bring up the subject of a barfine. Then I usually tell her, "I can not tonight" and make up some excuse like I have to meet a friend later or something, (but if I like the girl) I also tell her I am glad we met and that I will come back to see her and barfine the next night. Some of my new girls may doubt what I am saying, but I impress upon them that I will be back to see them and we make a date out of it.

I know this MO might sound foolish and even farcical to some point and shoot punters. After all, I hear them thinking, these girls are just prostitutes, but I assure you my method really works with the result being a 4 or 5 hour ST GFE on the first barfine night with my new acquaintance Go Go girls nearly 95% of the time. I never negotiate or talk about service beforehand. The girls who are not good performers, who tend to overcharge, or who are on a time clock usually get filtered out on the first no barfine interview night, but the rare bad ones that make it to barfine night and then disappoint never get a 2nd shot while the girls that I click with find me a steady repeat customer.

Most Go Go girls I relate to realize the value of having a friendly repeat customer and in this way I succeed in turning the tables on them to my advantage making the Go Go scene a buyers market for me with my girls Lining me every night, telling me they miss me, Ha Ha, and asking when I will drop by and see them again. The Line chatter usually begins at around 5pm when I find myself texting back and forth with 4 or 5 of my girls simultaneously. As my BKK visit progresses, I end up meeting and getting to know some of my Go Go girls' sexier friends (and relatives) as well and I have the opportunity to set up threesomes. It is just Fun, Fun, Fun! Thus by the end of a typical 4 week visit to BKK, every girl in CH, my current favorite Go Go for example, recognizes me as soon as I enter the joint and knows what I do there even though we have never spoken. At this stage in my trip many Go Go girls are giving me that, "please call me over & barfine me handsome man," smile. 555, and they are envious of my girls, who have benefited so well from treating me good.

So yeah, I really like the Go Go venue and I do very well here hooking up with some great quality girls, but I totally understand that this venue is not for everybody. That is the great thing about BKK ie there are so many excellent alternatives to suit most anybody's taste. Still! 5555! So stay hungry, my friend. I can't wait until my next trip.

[QUOTE=Ziggy00;1918475]BKKdog, I think you're over reacting, if you like to overpay that's just you, you can't expect everyone to do the same.

Always ask yourself what's the average salary, then compare to what girls are asking.

3000ST could be a western price, not a Thai one.

Girls at 7/11 get 6000 A MONTH.

So if you are willing to pay 3000 for ST then you have been scammed, it's like going to a FKK in Germany and pay 500 euro for 30 min.

So please don't call cheap charlie people who don't want to get scammed same you.[/QUOTE]I don't know what girls working at 7-11 (or comparable shops) in Germany, France or other European countries are paid but in the USA it is probably about $1500 USD per month. I am sure if the cutest 22 year-olds among them, no weird tattoos, non-smokers, non-druggies, clean and sweet natured, angelic faces, flawless bodies, shaved poozles, etc. , made themselves easily accessible any night of the week in higher end entertainment districts of the biggest cities in the USA with no hassle whatsoever (New York, L. A. , Chicago, Las Vegas.), came to the customer's room or apartment and spent a good 2 hours with him, kissing, licking and sucking his balls and dick to a sturdy and happy erection, possibly to a full BBBJ + CIM finish (up to the customer) or, again at the customer's option, fucked him bareback to his liking with a smile, followed by a hug, a kiss and a big thank you afterwards, they could easily command $750 USD for such an encounter in that kind of environment from guys who drive hard bargains for quality service and products for a living.

Now factor in that the customer in my example is 63 years old and I am even more impressed by the terrific deal I got, using your comparison criteria, the last time I paid a similarly described Bangkok go-go dancer 3,000 THB for ST, which was sometime last month. Mind you, I am not comparing it with what I would have to pay in the USA. I am using the 7-11 monthly pay basis you used, where 3,000 THB would represent half of what a 7-11 employee in Thailand is paid.

And again, I am using the USA as the "western" price comparison here. I am not sure where or under what circumstances and conditions such a 22 year old girl will go with a 63 year old customer and deliver that kind of service in the USA for a mere $88 USD. But that is the approximate exchange rate for 3,000 THB these days.

Even 7/11 wages have gone up. Minimum wage is 300 baht a day, in general 30 days = 9000 baht a month. General, starting pay range from 8500-9000 depending on experience and you must have a graduate certificate like a GED, to apply.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1918845]Even 7/11 wages have gone up. Minimum wage is 300 baht a day, in general 30 days = 9000 baht a month. General, starting pay range from 8500-9000 depending on experience and you must have a graduate certificate like a GED, to apply.[/QUOTE]

Normal people to take days off. A typical month has 5/7*30 = 21.4 working days, and at 300 baht / day that gives 6600 or so, rounded up.

Sure, some people work overtime, but we were discussing a normal salary.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1918788]Spot on. Amazing that anyone would feel threatened there. And yes, there are some clubs that we are not so welcome in; but so what? Thai dudes are not allowed into Nana and Cowboy GoGos.[/QUOTE]Thai dudes not allowed in Soi Cowboy agogos? That's the first time I heard about that. I definitely remember having seen (SE) Asian guys in Suzie Wong and they were not Chinese, Japanese or Korean. They might have been Lao, Khmer, Burmese or Vietnamese but I doubt they would come to Bangkok and visit Soi Cowboy. So I always assumed they were Thai.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1918788]Spot on. Amazing that anyone would feel threatened there. And yes, there are some clubs that we are not so welcome in; but so what? Thai dudes are not allowed into Nana and Cowboy GoGos.[/QUOTE]I have seen Thai dudes not allowed into Nana. Mainly because they might be the BG boyfriend or family. And the BG does not want to be recognized by family or worst by her province neighbors.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1918923]I have seen Thai dudes not allowed into Nana. Mainly because they might be the BG boyfriend or family. And the BG does not want to be recognized by family or worst by her province neighbors.[/QUOTE]Many, if not all, of the PSE oilies do not accept Thai customers, I suspect largely for the same reason. I suspect from the girl's perspective, the oilies represent an even safer environment than a go-go in this respect.

I earlier reported one time where I entered Tulip and saw a Thai man at the counter. The woman at the counter told him there were no girls available that day. I was getting ready to leave but hung around until the Thai man left, at which point the woman said that of course there were girls there but she told the Thai man there were none because the shop doesn't accept Thai customers.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1918845]Even 7/11 wages have gone up. Minimum wage is 300 baht a day, in general 30 days = 9000 baht a month. General, starting pay range from 8500-9000 depending on experience and you must have a graduate certificate like a GED, to apply.[/QUOTE]I can't believe my post about Sephan Kwai has spawned so many spin off topics about nothing. I could care less about what girls make a 7/11 and whether a Thai guy or foreigner can feel safe in each other's stomping grounds. Post some reports or useful Intel on mongering in BKK. Enough already!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1918881]Normal people to take days off. A typical month has 5/7*30 = 21.4 working days, and at 300 baht / day that gives 6600 or so, rounded up.

Sure, some people work overtime, but we were discussing a normal salary.[/QUOTE]The average wage in BKK these days is about 18 K baht per month. So a couple earning a bit more than that, say 20 K each per month, can live comfortably.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1918904]Thai dudes not allowed in Soi Cowboy agogos? That's the first time I heard about that. I definitely remember having seen (SE) Asian guys in Suzie Wong and they were not Chinese, Japanese or Korean. They might have been Lao, Khmer, Burmese or Vietnamese but I doubt they would come to Bangkok and visit Soi Cowboy. So I always assumed they were Thai.[/QUOTE]I would not be going out on a limb to say they were not Thai. If they were, it is a good chance they might have been cops. They are worried about jealous boyfriends mainly. Several Thai friends I know have been turned away from Cowboy and Nana GoGos.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1918904]Thai dudes not allowed in Soi Cowboy agogos? That's the first time I heard about that. I definitely remember having seen (SE) Asian guys in Suzie Wong and they were not Chinese, Japanese or Korean. They might have been Lao, Khmer, Burmese or Vietnamese but I doubt they would come to Bangkok and visit Soi Cowboy. So I always assumed they were Thai.[/QUOTE]Thai men that live in another country and here as a tourist can be allowed, and also some other exceptions. The guys that work there are also Thai, e. G. The DJ, and DJ could well be BF of a bargirl.

Thai man with foreigners sometimes seen in bars.

Far too many BFs hanging around the Dr BJ clubs. I am not too keen on fucking girls with an obvious BF. I prefer girls with several BFs. LOL.

There probably aren't any good reasons to exclude all Thai customers. Girls could be seen by their relatives entering the bar or leaving with a customer. I have been seen by a Thai I know when I was walking with a working girl heading to the short time Hotel. I suppose the relatives were told she works as a waitress.

Many Thai bar girls work supposedly secretly without parents knowing what is the employ. How does that really work?

Anyway I don't want Thai people I know outside the mongering realm coming into bars for a curiosity look.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1919017]The average wage in BKK these days is about 18 K baht per month. So a couple earning a bit more than that, say 20 K each per month, can live comfortably.[/QUOTE]"Average" must be the most abused statistical metric at all. One guy making 100 000 baht per month will bring 8 7-11 6 000 baht per month gals' "average" up to 18 000 baht. Yet none of the people in this example real income is even close to the average.

Factor in a few HiSo families from Bangkok and the average bears no relationship whatsoever to what the vast majority actually earns.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1919082]"Average" must be the most abused statistical metric at all. One guy making 100 000 baht per month will bring 8 7-11 6 000 baht per month gals' "average" up to 18 000 baht. Yet none of the people in this example real income is even close to the average. Factor in a few HiSo families from Bangkok and the average bears no relationship whatsoever to what the vast majority actually earns.[/QUOTE]I have been reading a lot in this thread to prepare a future trip to Thailand. Thanks for the info so far, keep it coming. I have seen a lot of discussion about the price for a ST / LT. With the data provided in this thread I want to compare it to Dutch prices.

Thailand: 7/11 employee 9000 TB / month, average worker 18000 TB / month, ST 3000 TB. In Holland the counterpart of a 7/11 employee would earn the minimum wage, appr 1400 euro net per month. The GDP is 50.000 euro / caput, which renders 2500 net per month (subtracting holiday bonus and taxes). From the 7/11 employee situation 3000 TB would relate to 1400 * 3000/9000 = 467 euro. From the average income situation 3000 TB would relate to 2500 * 3000/18000 = 417 euro.

The figures are quite similar which renders it some credibility. The outcome is very high. I cannot imagine any Dutch taking a short time for that kind of money. The only equivalent I know off is 3 hours for 900 euro but than you get a beauty with a Masters degree (or a scam). Amsterdam RLD is 100 euro per 30-40 minutes max. So 3000 TB seems to be a lot of money for ST.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1918993]I can't believe my post about Sephan Kwai has spawned so many spin off topics about nothing. I could care less about what girls make a 7/11 and whether a Thai guy or foreigner can feel safe in each other's stomping grounds. Post some reports or useful Intel on mongering in BKK. Enough already![/QUOTE]Hah! My thought exactly. Yours was an epic post Bkkdog, it must be said. You gave us detailed directions, clear explanations on what to expect (and not expect), and even had pictures. Kudos to you sir. But trying to control the ADHD tendencies of ISG is like trying to herd the proverbial cats. Just be satisfied in having made a genuine contribution to our knowledge base. So thanks.

Thais would go to Chaopaya 1 or 2 massage where the women are stunning and the prices very high. Or out of town joints where the prices are super low.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1919176]But trying to control the ADHD tendencies of ISG is like trying to herd the proverbial cats.[/QUOTE]LOL I find it quite ironic that those who perpetuate comments of money regarding the punting preferences of others also seem to want end comments of money regarding relative values. ADHD indeed!

I think you can somewhat monetarily compare the following: 1) a Thai go-go girl to a higher end strip club performer in the USA where making $500-$1000 per night is possible 2) a BKK streetwalker / BG lady to your average $200 per hour USA Backpage escort 3) a Thai 7/11 worker to a USA minimum wage employee making $60 per day.

SL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1918993]I can't believe my post about Sephan Kwai has spawned so many spin off topics about nothing. I could care less about what girls make a 7/11 and whether a Thai guy or foreigner can feel safe in each other's stomping grounds. Post some reports or useful Intel on mongering in BKK. Enough already![/QUOTE]I'm not going to go way back and dig up a response from another poster in which you were having your normal debate about overpaying. I do not take a position on whether a person over or under pays I merely stated what I consider a correction on the part of 7/11 wages Pattaya, I have a son who work in one Part-time.

In your reports you constantly make it clear " you could care less " but your reports and responses say otherwise never ceased to stop you from offering your opinion in the end the negatives of those who don't agree with you in this area. What will be considered useful Intel mongering will be up to me and not you, I think the number of post and time I have spent here on the board in the past has earned me the RIGHT! If you truly believe Enough Already then stick to it and stop inciting the topic within your opinion! If the topic doesn't die it is because you can't help yourself in making reports and ending them bragging how much you just paid for your unique experience. It seems they are intentional and false doing so just to goat other readers? For starters if you want it to stop look in the mirror for starts!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1919082]"Average" must be the most abused statistical metric at all. One guy making 100 000 baht per month will bring 8 7-11 6 000 baht per month gals' "average" up to 18 000 baht. Yet none of the people in this example real income is even close to the average.

Factor in a few HiSo families from Bangkok and the average bears no relationship whatsoever to what the vast majority actually earns.[/QUOTE]The point is- BKK is expensive when you factor in what most people make. When you consider that the average salary in KL is close to 2 K USD and the average salary in BKK is closer to 500 USD. And the cost of living in BKK is not really that much if any cheaper than KL. I believe the average salary compared to the cost of living tells you quite a bit about a place.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1919176]Hah! My thought exactly. Yours was an epic post Bkkdog, it must be said. You gave us detailed directions, clear explanations on what to expect (and not expect), and even had pictures. Kudos to you sir. But trying to control the ADHD tendencies of ISG is like trying to herd the proverbial cats. Just be satisfied in having made a genuine contribution to our knowledge base. So thanks.[/QUOTE]Kumbu when are you coming back to BKK?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1918787]Gives the price for membership and drinks but does not cover price of the gals.[/QUOTE]Ok, yeap, sure enough. Probably good idea to keep that option off the website and have a lower profile. It's 3,500 b at Demonia Bangkok or BarBar for hour and a half. Likely same at Castle in Pattaya.

It's not a cheap place for P4P. But it's top quality. Girls are well trained for fucking, sucking and rimming. I'd been there before on my last trip in Dec. 15 and had a great time with Pino. This time I called ahead since I had some work to take care of in the late afternoon, and made an appt with Pino for 11 am. Fresh pussy in the morning.

Pino is taller than most Thai girls, and taller than me. She has a great smile, brownish / reddish long hair. Her body is a solid 8. 5+ (small boobs, but I'm an ass aficionado) Long tan brown legs leading up to her perfectly shaped ass / pussy. I'll skip the bath (she cleaned me and my asshole very well). Pino has a small patch of hair like most girls who cater to the Japanese crowd. Kinda sexy too. She made sure I was laying down on the mat for the nuru part and went to work.

I do enjoy soapies, the teasing and rubbing and the no condom rubbing of her slits on my cock. I thing she's getting wet. Or it's the high quality gel.

She asked me to flip over face down, time for the best rim job I've ever had. I mentioned MITU trains their girls, this is how I knew. OMG she rimmed me for a solid 15 minutes without coming up for air. Circles, taps, deeper plunges and blowing wind into my ass. I was so hard she grabbed my cock and started tugging on it while I was still face down. I was close to blowing my load from this alone. She asked me to get up and rinse off for the next part. Fucking.

I took her on the bed and went to town. Mish, CG, RCG, K9, I was pounding her hard, but she took it like a champ. I was playing with her asshole, since she played with mine, no anal though. I made it deep enough to a knuckle but that was it. I was having a hard time reaching maximum potential with the condom on, so I pulled it off and had her give me a BBBJ. She's good at that too. Soon enough I blew my load in her mouth and felt great. She's not a swallower, but she seemed happy enough to have my load in her mouth for a bit.

One thing I like is you get as many pops as you can go. We had 30 minutes left. We talked a bit while I recharged, showing each other pictures, talked about food and traveling around Asia. (to my surprise she'd done a good bit of traveling around Asia). I recharged and was ready for round 2. BBBJ then CG. I was having a hard time and asked her to rim me for the rest of the time, she was that good. She's a trooper when it comes to licking the pooper. Another 15 minutes of this while she was furiously stroking me, I blew #2 on the bed. She smiled and she was happy I was happy. We showered up again (cleanliness is important) and she walked me downstairs hand in hand. Asked me if I enjoyed her and would I come back. Um yes, yes I will.

Looks 8.5-9.

Service 9.5.

Repeatability $$.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1919254]I'm not going to go way back and dig up a response from another poster in which you were having your normal debate about overpaying. I do not take a position on whether a person over or under pays I merely stated what I consider a correction on the part of 7/11 wages Pattaya, I have a son who work in one Part-time.

In your reports you constantly make it clear " you could care less " but your reports and responses say otherwise never ceased to stop you from offering your opinion in the end the negatives of those who don't agree with you in this area. What will be considered useful Intel mongering will be up to me and not you, I think the number of post and time I have spent here on the board in the past has earned me the RIGHT! If you truly believe Enough Already then stick to it and stop inciting the topic within your opinion! If the topic doesn't die it is because you can't help yourself in making reports and ending them bragging how much you just paid for your unique experience. It seems they are intentional and false doing so just to goat other readers? For starters if you want it to stop look in the mirror for starts![/QUOTE]Never have I accused another member of overpaying and I encourage you to dig up that post because it does not exist. That's the last thing I would do. I hate people complaining about the price. Obviously it's a sensitive issue for you to see another member that hates the price police. Sorry if you have a budget problem. Take care and I hope your financial situation improves. Take care.

[QUOTE=Justemp;1919282]Kumbu when are you coming back to BKK?[/QUOTE]Not soon enough, my friend, not fucking soon enough!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1919333]Never have I accused another member of overpaying and I encourage you to dig up that post because it does not exist. That's the last thing I would do. I hate people complaining about the price. Obviously it's a sensitive issue for you to see another member that hates the price police. Sorry if you have a budget problem. Take care and I hope your financial situation improves. Take care.[/QUOTE]We all hate the price police, when someone don't pay thousands more than the norm like you, you call them cheap charlie, bragging all day and hitting back on people's sincere advice on the forum will only discourage people from participating in this information exchange. This forum is way too lenient on belligerent posters. I don't think you would last too long on other big forums. Just a sincere advice. I usually do not respond to ignorance, but your posts really scratch a few my nerves.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1918993]I can't believe my post about Sephan Kwai has spawned so many spin off topics about nothing. I could care less about what girls make a 7/11 and whether a Thai guy or foreigner can feel safe in each other's stomping grounds. Post some reports or useful Intel on mongering in BKK. Enough already![/QUOTE]Bkkdog, I generally agree with your impression of things, but we reallly don't need a self-appointed post topic monitor here. How about we all post what we damn well please, let the real forum moderators sort out what fits and what does not fit and the rest of us choose which posts we care to read and comment on among the ones that make the cut?

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1919356]We all hate the price police, when someone don't pay thousands more than the norm like you, you call them cheap charlie, bragging all day and hitting back on people's sincere advice on the forum will only discourage people from participating in this information exchange. This forum is way too lenient on belligerent posters. I don't think you would last too long on other big forums. Just a sincere advice. I usually do not respond to ignorance, but your posts really scratch a few my nerves.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. This forum should be for the exchange of information, not for sociopathic "acting out."

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1919333]Never have I accused another member of overpaying and I encourage you to dig up that post because it does not exist. That's the last thing I would do. I hate people complaining about the price. Obviously it's a sensitive issue for you to see another member that hates the price police. Sorry if you have a budget problem. Take care and I hope your financial situation improves. Take care.[/QUOTE]I think you got to be kidding yourself? Yes you do not complaint about another member overpaying but the fact is you resent that others complaint / belittle you about overpaying! I've not ever or since criticized you for your experience posted although it is clear others who have read your post think so and if anyone has become sensitive to the criticism is you. You claim I'm obviously sensitive to the issue. Please show me a post I've made recently recently that I have taken issue with you or anyone regarding being a price police. I've made it very cleared that I have no issue to anyone over or under paying. I've made it very cleared that no matter how much or often people come here they pay their dues no matter how experience they are? I've overpaid many times regardless of living here when I have a unique situation that maybe comes a few times in a person life and I've underpay or pay what everyone else does too. As for the fact you don't know me yet make criticism like a " budget problem / financial situation improves " as if you do not have a ceiling. Everyone including you and me have a ceiling and there is not one person that have come and gone on this board wouldn't mind having a improve financial situation Anyone who claims or tries to make themselves out as if they have no budget or ceiling is lying. I've lived here for a long time been there and done that and what comes around goes around and each time I take the ride again because I might learn something and if over or underpaying is the price I pay it.

I respond and gave my 2 cents in general regarding what a person make at 7/11, it was not a direct attack on you and where in the world how I got drag in by you as noted providing reports etc. And being in the group of people who are price police I have no idea. Now as for you. Please provide me with a direct report where I have criticized directly, anyone and your supporting buddies Kumbu that I am part of this group? And if you do please provide direct / exact wording and not some generalization and " you thought I meant stuff ". Otherwise as I said before " Enjoy " whether you over or under pay! So in the end, nothing you say is going to change anything this board is what it is so get over it. You want to post post your comments and you get what you get in responses if you are too sensitive and need to attack in return then you have lost! Here is a tip, use ignore or just ignore it as if you didn't hear it. Time to man up!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1919338]Not soon enough, my friend, not fucking soon enough![/QUOTE]That's a bummer, I actually enjoy reading your experience on the forum then ISG member attacking each other!

[QUOTE=AsianLust;1919304]It's not a cheap place for P4P. But it's top quality. Girls are well trained for fucking, sucking and rimming. I'd been there before on my last trip in Dec. 15 and had a great time with Pino. This time I called ahead since I had some work to take care of in the late afternoon, and made an appt with Pino for 11 am. Fresh pussy in the morning.

Pino is taller than most Thai girls, and taller than me. She has a great smile, brownish / reddish long hair. Her body is a solid 8. 5+ (small boobs, but I'm an ass aficionado) Long tan brown legs leading up to her perfectly shaped ass / pussy. I'll skip the bath (she cleaned me and my asshole very well). Pino has a small patch of hair like most girls who cater to the Japanese crowd. Kinda sexy too. She made sure I was laying down on the mat for the nuru part and went to work.

I do enjoy soapies, the teasing and rubbing and the no condom rubbing of her slits on my cock. I thing she's getting wet. Or it's the high quality gel.

She asked me to flip over face down, time for the best rim job I've ever had. I mentioned MITU trains their girls, this is how I knew. OMG she rimmed me for a solid 15 minutes without coming up for air. Circles, taps, deeper plunges and blowing wind into my ass. I was so hard she grabbed my cock and started tugging on it while I was still face down. I was close to blowing my load from this alone. She asked me to get up and rinse off for the next part. Fucking.

I took her on the bed and went to town. Mish, CG, RCG, K9, I was pounding her hard, but she took it like a champ. I was playing with her asshole, since she played with mine, no anal though. I made it deep enough to a knuckle but that was it. I was having a hard time reaching maximum potential with the condom on, so I pulled it off and had her give me a BBBJ. She's good at that too. Soon enough I blew my load in her mouth and felt great. She's not a swallower, but she seemed happy enough to have my load in her mouth for a bit.

One thing I like is you get as many pops as you can go. We had 30 minutes left. We talked a bit while I recharged, showing each other pictures, talked about food and traveling around Asia. (to my surprise she'd done a good bit of traveling around Asia). I recharged and was ready for round 2. BBBJ then CG. I was having a hard time and asked her to rim me for the rest of the time, she was that good. She's a trooper when it comes to licking the pooper. Another 15 minutes of this while she was furiously stroking me, I blew #2 on the bed. She smiled and she was happy I was happy. We showered up again (cleanliness is important) and she walked me downstairs hand in hand. Asked me if I enjoyed her and would I come back. Um yes, yes I will.

Looks 8.5-9.

Service 9.5.

Repeatability $$.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a experience well worth the money. Fantastic report. I will have to check it out.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1919211]LOL I find it quite ironic that those who perpetuate comments of money regarding the punting preferences of others also seem to want end comments of money regarding relative values. ADHD indeed!

I think you can somewhat monetarily compare the following: 1) a Thai go-go girl to a higher end strip club performer in the USA where making $500-$1000 per night is possible 2) a BKK streetwalker / BG lady to your average $200 per hour USA Backpage escort 3) a Thai 7/11 worker to a USA minimum wage employee making $60 per day.

SL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your info about the situation in USA. Gives more room for comparison.

If you take the 60 $ per day minimum wage you get a value per month quite alike the Dutch situation.

I looked up the GDP for USA, being 55.000 $. With the dollar around 1. 10 to the euro, that figure is comparable to the Dutch situation.

So I just wonder whether the average American would be ready to give 400 to 500 $ for a ST.

[QUOTE=AsianLust;1919304]It's not a cheap place for P4P. But it's top quality. Girls are well trained for fucking, sucking and rimming. I'd been there before on my last trip in Dec. 15 and had a great time with Pino. This time I called ahead since I had some work to take care of in the late afternoon, and made an appt with Pino for 11 am. Fresh pussy in the morning.

Pino is taller than most Thai girls, and taller than me. She has a great smile, brownish / reddish long hair. Her body is a solid 8. 5+ (small boobs, but I'm an ass aficionado) Long tan brown legs leading up to her perfectly shaped ass / pussy. I'll skip the bath (she cleaned me and my asshole very well). Pino has a small patch of hair like most girls who cater to the Japanese crowd. Kinda sexy too. She made sure I was laying down on the mat for the nuru part and went to work.

I do enjoy soapies, the teasing and rubbing and the no condom rubbing of her slits on my cock. I thing she's getting wet. Or it's the high quality gel.

She asked me to flip over face down, time for the best rim job I've ever had. I mentioned MITU trains their girls, this is how I knew. OMG she rimmed me for a solid 15 minutes without coming up for air. Circles, taps, deeper plunges and blowing wind into my ass. I was so hard she grabbed my cock and started tugging on it while I was still face down. I was close to blowing my load from this alone. She asked me to get up and rinse off for the next part. Fucking.

I took her on the bed and went to town. Mish, CG, RCG, K9, I was pounding her hard, but she took it like a champ. I was playing with her asshole, since she played with mine, no anal though. I made it deep enough to a knuckle but that was it. I was having a hard time reaching maximum potential with the condom on, so I pulled it off and had her give me a BBBJ. She's good at that too. Soon enough I blew my load in her mouth and felt great. She's not a swallower, but she seemed happy enough to have my load in her mouth for a bit.

One thing I like is you get as many pops as you can go. We had 30 minutes left. We talked a bit while I recharged, showing each other pictures, talked about food and traveling around Asia. (to my surprise she'd done a good bit of traveling around Asia). I recharged and was ready for round 2. BBBJ then CG. I was having a hard time and asked her to rim me for the rest of the time, she was that good. She's a trooper when it comes to licking the pooper. Another 15 minutes of this while she was furiously stroking me, I blew #2 on the bed. She smiled and she was happy I was happy. We showered up again (cleanliness is important) and she walked me downstairs hand in hand. Asked me if I enjoyed her and would I come back. Um yes, yes I will.

Looks 8.5-9.

Service 9.5.

Repeatability $$.[/QUOTE]Nice report, AL- will have to check out Mitu- right around the corner from my hotel.

Friendly.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1919368]Bkkdog, I generally agree with your impression of things, but we reallly don't need a self-appointed post topic monitor here. How about we all post what we damn well please, let the real forum moderators sort out what fits and what does not fit and the rest of us choose which posts we care to read and comment on among the ones that make the cut?[/QUOTE]He posts what he "damn well pleases" which includes criticism of highly off topic posts. We do have a General Thread, probably the best place for stuff not at all related to Bangkok Mongering. Sometimes criticism is somewhat deserved.

I am not too keen for Bangkok Thread to be cluttered with stuff not relevant to sex. It's true we probably don't have enough threads other not related to sex. It's also a pity we are not heavily moderated to send junk to the correct junk thread.

Meanwhile being about to return to Bangkok, I checked the state of Crazy House with my favorite waitress. She assures me there is no crackdown as yet and full nudity remains as before. CH is always informed before any visit by authorities anyway. I will be checking about my favorite bargirls being around soon too. If my favourites are away, it won't be the same.

Maybe another visit to Saphan Kwai T-DET or others soon too.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;1919208]Thais would go to Chaopaya 1 or 2 massage where the women are stunning and the prices very high. Or out of town joints where the prices are super low.[/QUOTE]I used to go there. ChaoPraya 2 was my favorite before Thaksin came to power. Used to have a lot of girls and even some good body girls in the "Tora" body slide category. However declined badly after clean outs of Myanmar girls and girls in another questionable category. The numbers of pretty girls dropped away.

Have not called in recently.

J-One was always a risky club for rip off papa-sans if you got the wrong one. I had to make sure my "papa-san" was working who gave me the correct prices.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1916885]Excellent post![/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1919623]He posts what he "damn well pleases" which includes criticism of highly off topic posts. We do have a General Thread, probably the best place for stuff not at all related to Bangkok Mongering. Sometimes criticism is somewhat deserved.

I am not too keen for Bangkok Thread to be cluttered with stuff not relevant to sex. It's true we probably don't have enough threads other not related to sex. It's also a pity we are not heavily moderated to send junk to the correct junk thread.

Meanwhile being about to return to Bangkok, I checked the state of Crazy House with my favorite waitress. She assures me there is no crackdown as yet and full nudity remains as before. CH is always informed before any visit by authorities anyway. I will be checking about my favorite bargirls being around soon too. If my favourites are away, it won't be the same.

Maybe another visit to Saphan Kwai T-DET or others soon too.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have always been a person who says exactly what I think. Anyways, let's get back to some reports and stop bickering over who paid what, whose getting ripped off and so on.

I popped into Suzie Wongs recently and I must say, I'm still loving the vibe in there. They still go topless when they can and I love the lesbian shows. There is a really nice Thai blonde bombshell with one of the best rear ends in the business working there who takes care of me every time. I love it because there is no coyote bullshit and the girls are really down to earth. 2,500 LT plus the 600 Baht bar fine. I always tip her 1,500-2,000 because her performance is stellar so she always ends up with 4-5 K from me for LT. It's nice to have some regulars around the city so you don't need to experiment and take chances with other girls. Sometimes I just like to chill. Another member recently commented or insinuated that my experiences were fake or over embellished because I don't have too many bad experiences in my reports.

My answer to this and to others who continuously have these bad experiences is this. Treating the girls right and speaking some Thai, really goes a long way. If you treat the girls like a piece of meat, they will treat you like just a bull shit customer and won't care whether you are happy or not. Yes these ladies are working girls but they have feelings too. Treat them right and it will come back to you ten fold. There was a poster, whose name was Paul. Haven't heard from him in a while but he would post with the same style as Kumu. He was the member who posted about the orgies with the Cherry girls. Most of the seniors will remember his posts. Anyways, he always received a lot of mileage from the girls because of this very reason of treating them well and with respect. Has anyone here ever gotten a freebie from a working girl? If you haven't, think twice about how you treat them and talk to them. Many of us seniors have received freebies in return for the respect we show the ladies. Think about it and happy mongering!

P.S. Thanks Kumu for your PM.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1918515]Bkkdog is telling it like it is.

WE (Go Go/Soapy/G-Club guys) ARE NOT BEING SCAMMED. We know what we are doing. We are having a great time with hot little BKK girls all over town.

[/QUOTE]I was in BKK last week for a non-mongering trip but I still managed to get laid once and get a gold standard BJ. Did I "overpay"? YES, HELL YEAH I DID. I was staying at Sathon-Pipat, a short walk from Patpong, and I had a very limited window to partake in our hobby.

So on one night I went to Star of Light (after ages) to get an old fashioned BJ. The selection was scarce with just 7 girls hanging outside the bar. Most were fuglies, and I almost turned away. And then a cute slim decent looking chick stepped out from the bar. Could be a 7 on look at best. I pointed at her and took her right back inside. Now those who know this place will agree that this is the cheapest dive in town for a BJ. All included 700 b. Drinks and tips are completely optional. Pum proceeded to give me a great BJ as I sat there with a drink and a cigarette. She was well trained as I could tell, great skills up and down the shaft, lots of sloppy ball sucking and some fantastic short rapid licks on the head. Good deep throat skills as well. I enjoyed banging her cheeks for a while and she wanted more of it. Lasted for a good 25 minutes before I finally blew my load in her mouth. She took it all in, but pulled out a couple of tissues and spit it out. I pulled up my shorts and handed her a 1000 b note and walked out. She came after me with the 200 b change. I smiled and told her to keep it. She was thrilled and asked me if I would come back again. I said maybe I would, but I never did. Tragic!

On another night I went to Electric Blue, an old favorite of mine from yester-years. The place has really gone downhill from what I remember but it still had around 20 girls dancing on stage when I entered around 10:30 pm. Few customers on a weekday so the girls were glad to see me, I guess. 170 b for a beer is steep, but THAT IS THE CURRENT PRICE. PAY IT AND ENJOY OR GO HOME AND WAIL OVER IT. So I settled in with the drink and almost instantly I was surrounded by 5 girls and 2 mamasans. All of them wanted drinks. I fought off the ones I had no intention of talking to and retained 2 girls. #77 and #99. I could also see #56 on stage who was smiling and showed a lot of promise. Not bad. All three girls would be 7. 5 on looks, 8 on body. I chatted up with the two girls I had retained and both very friendly and very willing. With no promises of an LD they were both kissing me and rubbing my cock. And the one dancing on stage was making lewd gestures to me. Hell, what a situation! Out of the two girls I decide to retain #77 as somehow the chemistry worked better. So I politely asked #99 to leave us. No pressure, she left without any drama. A mamasan tried to strong-arm me into buying #99 a drink, but I did not relent. Instead I tucked a 50 b note into her bra. She walked away happy. By now the dance routine was over, so #56 came down to say Hello,. But it was too late for her. I was already into #77. So I simply said "next time maybe" to her and turned my attention to #77. Soon the mechanics were worked out. 1000 b BF + 2500 b ST. I finished my drink, paid the bill and walked out with the girl onto Surawong and headed to Talai Suites, a tiny little ST hotel just after the Japanese Sushi joint Shakariki 432.500 b for the room for 2 hours. I had a wonderful time with the young Non. I will leave out the details, but I will say that we stayed in that room for 2. 5 hours and I had two pops with lots of BBBJ thrown in. I wish I had more time and I could LT this girl. When we were done I gave her a tip of 200 b and walked her back to her bar and then made my way back to my place.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1919687]My answer to this and to others who continuously have these bad experiences is this. Treating the girls right and speaking some Thai, really goes a long way. If you treat the girls like a piece of meat, they will treat you like just a bull shit customer and won't care whether you are happy or not. Yes these ladies are working girls but they have feelings too. Treat them right and it will come back to you ten fold. There was a poster, whose name was Paul. Haven't heard from him in a while but he would post with the same style as Kumu. He was the member who posted about the orgies with the Cherry girls. Most of the seniors will remember his posts. Anyways, he always received a lot of mileage from the girls because of this very reason of treating them well and with respect. Has anyone here ever gotten a freebie from a working girl? If you haven't, think twice about how you treat them and talk to them. Many of us seniors have received freebies in return for the respect we show the ladies. Think about it and happy mongering![/QUOTE]Speaking Thai and treating the girls well, joking and having fun does go a long way. Personally I never tip above the agreed rate no matter how good the service is, but I seem to have no problem with repeats should the gal float my boat. And I've been at it for 16 plus years.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1919687]My answer to this and to others who continuously have these bad experiences is this. Treating the girls right and speaking some Thai, really goes a long way. If you treat the girls like a piece of meat, they will treat you like just a bull shit customer and won't care whether you are happy or not. Yes these ladies are working girls but they have feelings too. Treat them right and it will come back to you ten fold. There was a poster, whose name was Paul. Haven't heard from him in a while but he would post with the same style as Kumu. He was the member who posted about the orgies with the Cherry girls. Most of the seniors will remember his posts. Anyways, he always received a lot of mileage from the girls because of this very reason of treating them well and with respect.[/QUOTE]Paul is a good guy with good game. The reason he no longer posts is:

[QUOTE]Once upon a time the point of this forum was to share mongering experiences around the world, to pass on useful information and answer other mongers questions. That no longer seems to be the case. Now most posts seem to be arguing about tipping, how too many people overpay and ruin the market, that the quality of the girls has declined, that Bangkok sucks, or how great the girls are at the shop that hired you to promote it; oh and to claim a girl who got a good recommendation in a report is not worth seeing so you can discourage others from booking her because you found she was indeed very good..[/QUOTE]Would be nice if people could refrain from price-shaming, but then again "thus it has always been".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot]Speaking Thai and treating the girls well, joking and having fun does go a long way. [/QUOTE]Can I have an Amen for that! I still see a few stellar girls that have transitioned out of the business because of this approach.

Randy "Murican.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1919623]He posts what he "damn well pleases" which includes criticism of highly off topic posts. We do have a General Thread, probably the best place for stuff not at all related to Bangkok Mongering. Sometimes criticism is somewhat deserved. [/QUOTE]If your (and Bkkdog's?) answer to my "How about. ?" question is indeed no, self-appointed post topic monitors telling us what to post and what not to post are a good thing and the more the better, fair enough. I didn't tell either one of you not to make such posts. I just asked Bkkdog "How about. ?

Meanwhile, it pleases me to post an encouragement to anyone who would like to post the 1001st comment about Bangkok prices, the ways and methods of years past, whatever the real moderators allow and don't be cowed into not posting or, worse, making up stuff just to avoid criticism from anyone here.

Sometimes there is a nugget of actual useful information in posts like that where one monger's impression of one girl on one particular occasion is interesting but would have very little to do with what the next guy would experience.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1919687]I popped into Suzie Wongs recently and I must say, I'm still loving the vibe in there. They still go topless when they can and I love the lesbian shows. There is a really nice Thai blonde bombshell with one of the best rear ends in the business working there who takes care of me every time. I love it because there is no coyote bullshit and the girls are really down to earth. 2,500 LT plus the 600 Baht bar fine. I always tip her 1,500-2,000 because her performance is stellar so she always ends up with 4-5 K from me for LT. It's nice to have some regulars around the city so you don't need to experiment and take chances with other girls.

P.S. Thanks Kumu for your PM.[/QUOTE]Your description does look like it's be. , one of the girls that perform the lesbian show. 1 year and half ago, I had a hard time with the oilies (each shop had line ups of 15-20 girls but none of them were that good looking).

So I tried my luck with the gogos and once I saw her, I noticed that her body was really beautiful, a contrast with all the girls that I had met in my 10 days at that time. So I bfined her for st, and then ended bfining her again 2 or 3 times in the same week. She was a gem (really nice girl with great body) but she would not allow me to play with her asshole (just play, not even fuck). What a pity, you have such a great ass in your hands and end up a little frustrated by not being allowed to play with the hole. She was the only girl that I bfined in that place. I did not go back there anymore as I felt like I was pressed like an orange by paying the drinks every time I went there (hers was not a problem but then there was also the waitresses, that were nice by the way) but in the end the bill was getting close to 4400 baht for a st, that I thought was not worth it anymore especially when I think about her asshole. I thought the LT was more expensive there as I was asked 2000 for st. And how many shots do you get with her during the LT and what do you consider a "stellar performance" as she was rather passive with me (but definitely not a clock watcher)?

[QUOTE=RandyMurican;1919883]Paul is a good guy with good game. The reason he no longer posts is:

Would be nice if people could refrain from price-shaming, but then again "thus it has always been".

Can I have an Amen for that! I still see a few stellar girls that have transitioned out of the business because of this approach.

Randy "Murican.[/QUOTE]That's disappointing since all of us gained a wealth of information from him. I'm sure the others who take part in price slamming and debating about stupid stuff, don't know the value of posters that we've lost nor care about it. All these so called members care about is getting the biggest bang for their buck and hammering anyone who they think pays too much. Sorry to hear Paul has moved on. I hope he will come back some day and share more about his experiences in Thailand. His posts were excellent.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1920077]I'm sure the others who take part in price slamming and debating about stupid stuff, don't know the value of posters that we've lost nor care about it. All these so called members care about is getting the biggest bang for their buck and hammering anyone who they think pays too much.[/QUOTE]Dude you still don't get it. When you regularly describe ISG members as "Cheap Charlie's" you are taking part in "price slamming" punters you believe are paying [I]too little[/I]. Plus by doing this you are perpetuating the very conversations you claim you want to stop.

SL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1919687]I popped into Suzie Wongs recently and I must say, I'm still loving the vibe in there. They still go topless when they can and I love the lesbian shows. [/QUOTE]Only topless?

Suzie Wong was THE place to go for full nudity.

Has it changed?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1920077]That's disappointing since all of us gained a wealth of information from him. I'm sure the others who take part in price slamming and debating about stupid stuff, don't know the value of posters that we've lost nor care about it. All these so called members care about is getting the biggest bang for their buck and hammering anyone who they think pays too much. Sorry to hear Paul has moved on. I hope he will come back some day and share more about his experiences in Thailand. His posts were excellent.[/QUOTE]Paul is actually living in Bangkok now. We still have our parties with some of the old guard and a few new ones. But a) the bickering on this panel has taken overhand and outweighs the usefulness of factual reporting, b) you can only repeat so much without regurgitating old news and c) I personally got burned when something I posted about a girl was seen by some idiot as a license to mistreat her and she blamed my post for it.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1920245]I personally got burned when something I posted about a girl was seen by some idiot as a license to mistreat her and she blamed my post for it.[/QUOTE]Yikes. That does make me pause and think about writing glowing reports about gals. It is a shame that there are dudes out there who do that. But not a surprise. Personally I think the bickering is a sign of overall discontent with the current state of the P4P scene.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1920212]Only topless?

Suzie Wong was THE place to go for full nudity.

Has it changed?[/QUOTE]The girls go topless for the normal dancing and fully nude for the lesbian shows now.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1920383]The girls go topless for the normal dancing and fully nude for the lesbian shows now.[/QUOTE]That's a pity. I like to see them fully nude before I decide who to barfine.

Maybe it will change again in a few weeks. I'm not due to return until November.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1920311]Personally I think the bickering is a sign of overall discontent with the current state of the P4P scene.[/QUOTE]Why do you think that is? I mean, what do you think is causing this discontent?

I'm not sure that is all it is. I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).

I am sure there is discontent on the part of some (and again, I'd like to hear why you think that exists), but a lot of it reflects the kinds of mongers that come to LOS. It attracts a wide variety of people, and that brings with it a wide range of expectations, as well as a wide range of cultural modes of thought. And in that context, you are bound to get conflict. Plus, this is the anonymous internet, and everyone feels that being an asshole is without consequences.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1920311] Personally I think the bickering is a sign of overall discontent with the current state of the P4P scene.[/QUOTE]I really don't understand this bickering and discontent about the P4 P scene or the rising cost of mongering. If my income is not the same what it was 15-20 years ago then how can I expect the ST / LT prices in LOS to remain stagnant? Another factor that has changed over a period of time is that many Asian economies are growing at a much faster pace compared to western economies so there are more and more Asian punters coming to LOS and they have deep pockets. So prices are bound to go North. If you just compare the mongering prices in your home countries 15 years ago and now, you will agree that the prices in LOS have not risen in the same proportion. As the supply greatly outnumbers demand, LOS is still a buyer's market. For me LOS is still the No. 1 destination for P4 P on counts of quality, quantity, variety and price.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1920649]I really don't understand this bickering and discontent about the P4 P scene or the rising cost of mongering. If my income is not the same what it was 15-20 years ago then how can I expect the ST / LT prices in LOS to remain stagnant? Another factor that has changed over a period of time is that many Asian economies are growing at a much faster pace compared to western economies so there are more and more Asian punters coming to LOS and they have deep pockets. So prices are bound to go North. If you just compare the mongering prices in your home countries 15 years ago and now, you will agree that the prices in LOS have not risen in the same proportion. As the supply greatly outnumbers demand, LOS is still a buyer's market. For me LOS is still the No. 1 destination for P4 P on counts of quality, quantity, variety and price.[/QUOTE]Dude, when you compare 25 USD with well over 100 USD now it is a huge increase. And the service is not as good. Prices in LOS have risen way more then they have in the West and in other SE Asian countries. If service had risen with the cost there would be no bickering. LOS is a seller's market compared with years past not a buyers market. Honestly, if you were at the exit of Nana or Cowboy at closing time 10 plus years ago you would have scads of girls begging you to take them. Now most just can't be bothered. It is the punter who has to pursue the gal, and back in the day it was the gals chasing you. There are far fewer gals on the game in general and way fewer lookers then there was 15 years ago all due to the improving economy.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1920508]Why do you think that is? I mean, what do you think is causing this discontent?

I'm not sure that is all it is. I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).

I am sure there is discontent on the part of some (and again, I'd like to hear why you think that exists), but a lot of it reflects the kinds of mongers that come to LOS. It attracts a wide variety of people, and that brings with it a wide range of expectations, as well as a wide range of cultural modes of thought. And in that context, you are bound to get conflict. Plus, this is the anonymous internet, and everyone feels that being an asshole is without consequences.[/QUOTE]Fewer gals, higher costs, poorer service, and bad attitudes. Sorry, but it pales in comparison with 15 years ago. I partake less and less. Why? I find fewer and fewer gals that I am attracted to; looks and attitude wise. The oilies with a few exceptions are full of older gals with mommy bodies and the GoGos are filled with gals who think they are worth close to 100 USD for 15 min of action, most of whom don't have the skill set to warrant that type of money. They are still providing the same service that was had for 25 USD a mere 10 years ago. That was the allure. Not that the gals were all that great in bed, but they were plentiful and cheap. Yes, there is price inflation, but 300% plus for the same level of service? Give me a break. And again, I would have no problem paying 100 plus for a gal with a well refined skill set who is sexy, seductive, and knows how to get to a man both physically and psychologically. If it is just an available hole or two, then it will always be worth about 25 USD to me. Want the big bucks? Raise your game. I know very few long term residents who are still enamored with the P4 P scene here for all the reasons above. We talk about it quite often. And most of us are not that old. 30's, 40's and early 50's.

I don't see any differences of signifigance except for:

1. Prices are significantly higher.

2. Young girls get fat at an early age.

3. Prevalence of fake noses and fake tits.

4. The clean out of girls of certain categories.

5. Girls seem less desperate for money causing price to be higher.

6. Ladyboys to Cowboy.

7. The Coyote take over.

8. Soapies have far less girls and far less business.

9. A lot more gogo girls do not smoke. One good thing.

10. Probably more condoms used. I don't really know this one.

11. The web age. Girls can contact guys easily.

12 Most bars are struggling. Not enough customers. Most MPs the same. The decline in customers is the biggest problem of all. Thousands of ugly hookers with no business.

13. You can get a decent coffee in Thailand and resonable foreign food. 25 years ago you could not.

If I could go back and repeat from 25 years ago, I certainly would. Would have been good to get stuck in Thailand 33 years ago during my very first visit.

So that is really a lot of change. However I manage. Its just spending too much money that is only thing that matters.

We have to know where to find girls of our type. Some guys are in the wrong country but not me, I guess. I am only here 30%.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1920508]I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).[/QUOTE]I think the biggest difference here is the perspective of punters. The bunch who live in LOS will always hold the opinion that the P4 P scene has declined badly because they have been seeing it everyday for several years. The other bunch who simply visits for a few weeks in a year will not notice the decline because they are often coming from sex prisons or markets that are far more expensive to partake.

For every report of a decline there will be a counter report of a night well spent with a ultra hot 22 yo Isaan cutie for a "reasonable" price with great service. And vice-versa. This is one debate that will never end.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1920743]I don't see any differences of signifigance except for:

1. Prices are significantly higher.

2. Young girls get fat at an early age.

3. Prevalence of fake noses and fake tits.

4. The clean out of girls of certain categories.

5. Girls seem less desperate for money causing price to be higher.

6. Ladyboys to Cowboy.

7. The Coyote take over.

8. Soapies have far less girls and far less business.

9. A lot more gogo girls do not smoke. One good thing.

10. Probably more condoms used. I don't really know this one.

11. The web age. Girls can contact guys easily.

12 Most bars are struggling. Not enough customers. Most MPs the same. The decline in customers is the biggest problem of all. Thousands of ugly hookers with no business.

13. You can get a decent coffee in Thailand and resonable foreign food. 25 years ago you could not.

If I could go back and repeat from 25 years ago, I certainly would. Would have been good to get stuck in Thailand 33 years ago during my very first visit.

So that is really a lot of change. However I manage. Its just spending too much money that is only thing that matters.

We have to know where to find girls of our type. Some guys are in the wrong country but not me, I guess. I am only here 30%.[/QUOTE]Funny first comment Syg. I think all the differences you listed are significant. And I agree on 13. It is one of the few positives. It's a fantastic food town and Bangkok has become a world class coffee city. Some excellent roasters and baristas here.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1920245]Paul is actually living in Bangkok now. We still have our parties with some of the old guard and a few new ones. But a) the bickering on this panel has taken overhand and outweighs the usefulness of factual reporting, b) you can only repeat so much without regurgitating old news and c) I personally got burned when something I posted about a girl was seen by some idiot as a license to mistreat her and she blamed my post for it.[/QUOTE]Say Hi to him for me, please! (I currently don't have paid access.) Miss his reports but it's understandable given the reasons above. Will be back in BKK sometime in September for a couple of days. Woohoo!

I have a different perspective?

I still remember when I first came in ISG, there was only 1 page of thread at best. Majority of the posters didn't have a handle just posted as Anonymous. What went on then is pretty much what goes on now. Back then the posters it seem majority were Expats or visited often for reason like business. I pretty much learned all the in and out of mongering in Thailand more important I would benefit me was learning the negatives about their culture and people. It didn't mean I didn't make mistake like paying too much I'm still learning and overpaying at times. What I noticed over time a minority of members who seem to know or had the ear of the creator / moderator complaint whenever they couldn't intelligently convince others to March to their music they got their own thread, which was a form of banishment or outright told they were banned. One only has to look to see what I'm talking about.

The final explosion happen a few years ago when a top poster was banished and there was a huge debate many of the best informative members got tired and even took sides and left. Many felt new members would pick their brains and later got disrespectful after they gain experience. The old days many would meet at Livingston Lodge in Bangkok on Soi 33, those were the old days.

As noted, ISG and many website posters come from all walks of life people are all different. One would think and realize the more people in a group you will have more different opinions, thus disagreement. I hear people say I understand, let's move on, but the next word out of their mouth it back to the same old stuff, it is like in one ear out the other, I just guess people are just build that way and they got to get in that jab thinking no one is going to notice.

Make no mistake I understand we are all human and I'm not exempt. People have their own experience take the time to write and share it with us because that is what the Internet has created. Some are so well written and as long as a romance novel. Majority are experiences from poster who come often and not so often doing what they can't at home for various reasons. No one wants in the end to have their experience nip picked and shot down for paying too much or their story being too long. There are guys who like to take it slow then their are guys who just want to run, everyone has their style. It also works the other way around. Not taking a personal shot. People post say "let's get back to busy " write and explains themselves and end by calling others who don't agree with their position " Ass-so ", or write a wonderful experience ending in making sure the " Cheap Charlies " got it. There is always I understand let's get back to the topic only to end with that jab to the gut! Always got to get the last word in because our ego's get the best of us each time.

A good example. Look at my writing I envy guys like Kumbu, I only dream of being able to write like him but my poor grammar isn't going to stop me from expressing my opinion. I get it all the time readers understand as bad as my grammar understand everything that is being said, but because they can't get me to March to their tune have no argument and feel their ego bruised they reach for what is left to nip pick my grammar or spelling. Sure I'm human I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me at times. This is what the Internet has created cowards, jerks hiding behind the computer. Is anything I've said going to change NO not for a minute.

We are more alike than we care to admit, we all are at fault as to why things are the way it is it will never change. What has changed is ISG no longer micro-manage this board for the few just let it go and like the majority after a few days things will return to normal but before that happens someone will sneak in that jab and then it starts all over again. That is ISG, you can be the solution by just ignoring the jabbers (easier said than done) or be the problem and keep jabbing.

First I will say that I am a farang living in BKK, but no where near Sukhumvit so when I do a monger night I typically get a cheap room on Soi 4. My question is, where are the short time rooms? I know Nana has them, but are there others in the area? If so where? How much for short time?

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1920842]Say Hi to him for me, please! (I currently don't have paid access.) Miss his reports but it's understandable given the reasons above. Will be back in BKK sometime in September for a couple of days. Woohoo![/QUOTE]You are a senior member therefore you can PM him if you wish.

Live update from Thermae. About 150-200 girls at 10 pm. Good ones mainly gone now. About 60-80 guys. About 80% Asian, 20% caucasian and 1 Indian. Caucasians didn't seem to have issues picking up girls. In fact, 1 caucasian is talking to the girl I want. The Japanese snap up the good ones within a minute so act fast if you see someone. Imo still a great lineup but I prefer cute girls over model looks. Also prefer western and Japanese surgery looks over Thai. More or less the same lineup as last month except more oldies tonight. Yuck.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1920678]Dude, when you compare 25 USD with well over 100 USD now it is a huge increase. And the service is not as good. Prices in LOS have risen way more then they have in the West and in other SE Asian countries. If service had risen with the cost there would be no bickering. LOS is a seller's market compared with years past not a buyers market. Honestly, if you were at the exit of Nana or Cowboy at closing time 10 plus years ago you would have scads of girls begging you to take them. Now most just can't be bothered. It is the punter who has to pursue the gal, and back in the day it was the gals chasing you. There are far fewer gals on the game in general and way fewer lookers then there was 15 years ago all due to the improving economy.[/QUOTE]These are side effects of the improving economy and it is seen in all developing countries. Thailand is no exception. Anyway things will never be the same as they were 15 years ago and time machine is not likely to be invented in our lifetime. So there is no point in bickering. Ok, earlier girls use to chase punters, now punters have to chase girls. Times have changed and we should accept that and move on.

I fully agree with you. I have been to BKK around a dozen times since the 2000's and stayed there for around 2 weeks on average during each visit, however I haven't noticed any significant difference in the P4P scene except for the effect of inflation and rate of exchange of the $ compared to THB.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1920797] I think the biggest difference here is the perspective of punters. The bunch who live in LOS will always hold the opinion that the P4P scene has declined badly because they have been seeing it everyday for several years. The other bunch who simply visits for a few weeks in a year will not notice the decline because they are often coming from sex prisons or markets that are far more expensive to partake.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1920508]...I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).[/QUOTE]Like you, I have no problem with the current state of P4 P in SEA. I have been coming to Thailand since 2004, every year and sometimes twice a year. I know also that most of my buddy mongers feel the same way.

Of course prices have gone up, that is to be expected, plus SEA economies have been improving. That's life and we cannot change that.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1921086]You are a senior member therefore you can PM him if you wish.[/QUOTE]I don't think he likes to find his screen name.

Another day at the Nana Plaza area. I was planning on hitting up the night clubs tonight but was busy with work.

Got horny at 11 pm, so I went walking around Soi 4. Saw a girl I liked and made eye contact. She grabbed my arms and we chat a bit. Agreed on price, then she mentioned renting hotels nearby. I told her we go to my hotel, which is nearby. It's safer for me. The hotel security guard held her ID while she was in my room. They don't give it back until they talk to me afterwards to make sure I am OK. I like that.

Tall girl about 5'7" with a curvy body and the best boobs I have seen. I told her to take everything slow because she has a pretty face and a very hot body. I like to enjoy the view as well as the action. Took over an hour with multiple positions and we're both exhausted at the end. We cuddled and chat a bit more. She went to shower and lingered longer than she should and kept coming back to hug and kiss me. Even standing outside the door, she's giving me that, "ask for my number" look. I know my priorities, so no.

I really like the connection we made even though it was short-lived. Everyday here is like a short-lived dream.

Interesting:

Thailand Plans to Track Foreign Tourists Through Their Cell Phones.

[URL]http://time.com/4446059/thailand-tourists-cell-phone-tracking/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20EBB%2008-10-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1921232]Interesting:

Thailand Plans to Track Foreign Tourists Through Their Cell Phones.

[URL]http://time.com/4446059/thailand-tourists-cell-phone-tracking/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20EBB%2008-10-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief[/URL][/QUOTE]The primary reason is terrorism. The USA does that already and I'm sure Europe also because they tracked down all of the participants in the most recent attaches. They want the ability to be able to know everyone that communicates with a certain phone if something happens.

Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1921268]The primary reason is terrorism. The USA does that already and I'm sure Europe also because they tracked down all of the participants in the most recent attaches. They want the ability to be able to know everyone that communicates with a certain phone if something happens.

Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.

RL.[/QUOTE]What does bother me from the article is the following: "In April, the Immigration Bureau introduced elaborate immigration forms that required visitors and foreign workers to stipulate sensitive information, including banking details and social-media sites used. " I don't know whether anyone here has encountered these forms yet, but it sounds like those who participate in this and similar forums might be obligated to disclose their participation in such sites on the immigration form. Although I would guess very few people would disclose this information, I hope things don't get to the point where the Thai immigration / customs people start doing forensic searches of laptops, etc. , as US customs often did (at least in the past; not sure about now) on single men returning from Asia. If Thai customs did this, the could then use the information gained from a laptop or phone search to nail those who do not disclose the full range of forums they participate in.

Then again, perhaps the disclosure requested only pertains to such things as Facebook, which while an invasion of privacy would be a bit less problematic I suppose. Or perhaps the Time article was not so accurate on the information that must be disclosed on entry to Thailand (or maybe it only applies to those who obtain entry visas before arriving in Thailand given the low likelihood people would have banking information, for example, available when arriving at the airport in Thailand).

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1921268]The primary reason is terrorism. The USA does that already and I'm sure Europe also because they tracked down all of the participants in the most recent attaches. They want the ability to be able to know everyone that communicates with a certain phone if something happens.

Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.

RL.[/QUOTE]I agree. This is all what it is about.

On the other hand should you be a potential terrorist, would you disclose all the (real) information on an immigration form?

Wouldn't you use a purpose acquired "clean" sim card and then dump it somewhere?

How many Sim cards (or phones with one in it) are stolen everyday? Do we know for sure where they end up?

All in all these measures are a bit of fireworks to please the masses they are doing something.

The real action and intelligence is done in different ways.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1921276]
Then again, perhaps the disclosure requested only pertains to such things as Facebook, which while an invasion of privacy would be a bit less problematic I suppose. Or perhaps the Time article was not so accurate on the information that must be disclosed on entry to Thailand (or maybe it only applies to those who obtain entry visas before arriving in Thailand given the low likelihood people would have banking information, for example, available when arriving at the airport in Thailand).[/QUOTE]The social media account disclosure is another bullshit.

Do I have to have one account on FB? And I declare I don't have, am I suPpsed to look strange?

And of I have multi-accounts how do they know this? Would they be happy with one and I hide the others?

I never touched and don't even know how tweeter works: am I an alien?

With thousands of visitors entering the country everyday. Accounting 5 minutes to records the data on a database (if ever) how many thousands of employees would they need to manage the DB?

Look at the packs of filled forms stacked at any immigration booth during a shift. Each booth requires two people to manage the info into somewhere.

Something happens. What do they do? Deploy an army of white collars to go through those stacks of forms to find one that triggers suspects?

Lots of visitors are multi time visitor during one year. Each time they hit the keyboard and often (but not always) take a picture of you. Looks like you have never been there.

Same happens at USA Airport immigration.

Everytime, picture, fingerprints, even if you entered one week before with same passport. Billions of data stored?

Lots of countries do accurate immigration checks but don't care if you go out. Down to the airline to collect the entry slip (and eventually return it to the federal agency). TSA performs an exit check on your passport. True.

I still believe there are holes.

Not to mention that the majority of recent terrorist attacks where from. Inhouse and residents. If not even citizens of the country being the target.

[QUOTE=BrockStar;1920868]First I will say that I am a farang living in BKK, but no where near Sukhumvit so when I do a monger night I typically get a cheap room on Soi 4. My question is, where are the short time rooms? I know Nana has them, but are there others in the area? If so where? How much for short time?[/QUOTE]Walk down Soi 4 away from Sukhumvit, past Hillary 2 Bar on the left, to the little sub soi with Jools (for now) on one side and The Tavern on the other. There is a small "street sign" that says Scott Avenue or something like that. It's not really the name of that sub soi, the sign was placed there by Scott, the owner of The Tavern. lol. Anyway, turn left. You'll find several short time room hotels there, including DiPlace, that rent decent rooms for an hour or two for about 350 baht. DiPlace is probably the best of them. In fact, there is a DiPlace sign on Soi 4 at the corner of that little sub soi where you turn left.

Most nights, you can rent a decent room in any of those little hotels all night for 750-850 baht.

What type of ID, if any, do I need to show at these ST hotels?

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1921232]Interesting:

Thailand Plans to Track Foreign Tourists Through Their Cell Phones.

[URL]http://time.com/4446059/thailand-tourists-cell-phone-tracking/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20EBB%2008-10-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief[/URL][/QUOTE]I said it in another section already. [B]All[/B] cellphones can be tracked at all times.

That's how the mobile phone system works: if your provider doesn't know where you are, how can they connect a call for you to your phone?

Silly article, not based upon real knowledge. The Government is just making a big fuzz out of nothing to keep people's eyes away from the real problems.

In any case, tracking is not the issue, it is making good use of all that data. Suppose the Government requires all providers to upload all the location cata of all foreign or foreigner-registered sim cards to some government site. That will require huge computing capacity to check and what will they find? There are no "forbidden" areas in Thailand, so your location data by itself does not indicate your are comitting a crime. Go through such huge expense and effort to find a few overstayers? I'll just bring another foreign pre-paid sim card not registered on my name and use that.

The whole scheme is failing even before it is implemented.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1921268]
Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.[/QUOTE]That is of course the worst reason to support such a system at all.

Since the government defines what a "crime" is, you are not protected. Maybe your political ideas do not match with those who are in power? Let's call that a crime and track those criminals down!

Privacy, freedom of speech and communication and other such basic rights are continuously under threat from governments and authorities.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1921129]These are side effects of the improving economy and it is seen in all developing countries. Thailand is no exception. Anyway things will never be the same as they were 15 years ago and time machine is not likely to be invented in our lifetime. So there is no point in bickering. Ok, earlier girls use to chase punters, now punters have to chase girls. Times have changed and we should accept that and move on.[/QUOTE]In many developed nations p4 p is now about the same cost as in LOS. And again, the issue is the service more than the price. And no, I kind of refuse to chase working girls. I would also say that the change in the gals is just as much due to the change in the punters. Guys are far easier to please and seem to settle for less than they did 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1921338]That is of course the worst reason to support such a system at all.
Since the government defines what a "crime" is, you are not protected. Maybe your political ideas do not match with those who are in power? Let's call that a crime and track those criminals down!
Privacy, freedom of speech and communication and other such basic rights are continuously under threat from governments and authorities.[/QUOTE]Openly or secretely they can and are doing that.

Regardless if it is right or not.

In case of doubt they set a new law.

Worst case scenario they cover anything under the umberella of "national security".

You dint like that? Prosecute them at Human Rights Court in Den Hague and good luck.

Have you ever seen anyone being brought to the court for "illegal" tracking or intelligence?

I am not defending them, I am just feet on the ground.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1921336]I said it in another section already. [B]All[/B] cellphones can be tracked at all times.
That's how the mobile phone system works: if your provider doesn't know where you are, how can they connect a call for you to your phone?
Silly article, not based upon real knowledge. The Government is just making a big fuzz out of nothing to keep people's eyes away from the real problems.
The whole scheme is failing even before it is implemented.[/QUOTE]+1.

Article to fill the papers in the boring summer weeks.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1921370]Openly or secretely they can and are doing that.

Regardless if it is right or not.

In case of doubt they set a new law.

Worst case scenario they cover anything under the umberella of "national security".

You dint like that? Prosecute them at Human Rights Court in Den Hague and good luck.

Have you ever seen anyone being brought to the court for "illegal" tracking or intelligence?

I am not defending them, I am just feet on the ground.[/QUOTE]That is exactly whe we have defend our basic rights vigorously by voting into power decent politicians who support the idea of personal freedom. Sadly it seems that those ideas are going out of fashion and saying "I don't mind that criminals are tracked and their rights abused since I'm not a criminal" is symptomatic in that respect.

I know, I'm an old dinosaur and not attuned to these modern times.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1921351]In many developed nations p4 p is now about the same cost as in LOS. And again, the issue is the service more than the price. And no, I kind of refuse to chase working girls. I would also say that the change in the gals is just as much due to the change in the punters. Guys are far easier to please and seem to settle for less than they did 15 years ago.[/QUOTE]Agree with you sir. I agree that the service is not the same, the cost has gone up. Even I don't like to chase the girls. But that is the ground reality today. The competition today is with punters who are happy to spend more for less. But things are what they are and you and me can't change them. So let us accept that and move on. There are still plenty of positive reports here by happy punters and majority of them are seniors with years of experience in LOS.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1921550]That is exactly whe we have defend our basic rights vigorously by voting into power decent politicians who support the idea of personal freedom. Sadly it seems that those ideas are going out of fashion and saying "I don't mind that criminals are tracked and their rights abused since I'm not a criminal" is symptomatic in that respect.

I know, I'm an old dinosaur and not attuned to these modern times.[/QUOTE]Please go to Thai visa if you want to debate this crap. Anyways, instead of going to Sephan Kwai tonight, I'm on a date with my little Ninja.

With the bombs that exploded last night in Hua Hin, the cell phone network industry in Thailand again will have to track the users in the area of the bombing if the news about the bombs being detonated with a cell phone are true.

I've been RTFF for the past 20 pages or so, preparing for my trip next month. I stayed near Terminal 21 last time, so I'm thinking of trying something new. I'm not too interested in taking girls out of gogo bars; mostly massages and BJ bars. Can anyone tell me how Patpong is like these days?

Considering booking a hotel near Silom this time. Sleazy is fine with me (wanted to check out Star of Light), but if there are a lot more scams, I'll stay on Sukhumvit again and go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or thr other infamous places there.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1921555]Agree with you sir. I agree that the service is not the same, the cost has gone up. Even I don't like to chase the girls. But that is the ground reality today. The competition today is with punters who are happy to spend more for less. But things are what they are and you and me can't change them. So let us accept that and move on. There are still plenty of positive reports here by happy punters and majority of them are seniors with years of experience in LOS.[/QUOTE]Truth in what you say. Yes, there are some gems to be found, but it is a lot of work. I have been "auditioning" for regulars since my last two retired or moved on last August. Have not found a single one that fits the bill. Accept? No choice really. Move on? No choice either. A large number of guys I have known over the years already have; they left Thailand. Honestly of all the long terms residents I know, only one is still quite happy with the scene. He lives in Pattaya and takes 2 gals a day. Never pays more than 1 k, usually 700 Baht. But I could never live in Pattaya. Just too much human detritus about.

Believe me, it's no longer the P4 P scene that keeps me in LOS. It's the food, my friends, affordable health insurance and good medical care, cheap regional travel, etc. The gals have become a bonus as opposed to a focus. Twice a month is about all I partake these days. Would not mind more, if I could find some really great gals. I mean really, with anything you do when current experiences start to pale in comparison to what you have known in the past; what's the point?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1921580]Please go to Thai visa if you want to debate this crap. Anyways, instead of going to Sephan Kwai tonight, I'm on a date with my little Ninja.[/QUOTE]Actually I think it is a valid topic as it will effect all of us.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1919694]I was in BKK last week for a non-mongering trip but I still managed to get laid once and get a gold standard BJ. ... I was staying at Sathon-Pipat, a short walk from Patpong, and I had a very limited window to partake in our hobby.

So on one night I went to Star of Light (after ages) to get an old fashioned BJ. ...

On another night I went to Electric Blue, an old favorite of mine from yester-years. The place has really gone downhill from what I remember but it still had around 20 girls dancing on stage when I entered around 10:30 pm. Few customers on a weekday so the girls were glad to see me, ... I chatted up with the two girls I had retained and both very friendly and very willing. With no promises of an LD they were both kissing me and rubbing my cock. And the one dancing on stage was making lewd gestures to me. Hell, what a situation! Out of the two girls I decide to retain #77 as somehow the chemistry worked better. So I politely asked #99 to leave us. No pressure, she left without any drama. A mamasan tried to strong-arm me into buying #99 a drink, but I did not relent. Instead I tucked a 50 b note into her bra. She walked away happy. By now the dance routine was over, so #56 came down to say Hello,. But it was too late for her. I was already into #77. So I simply said "next time maybe" to her and turned my attention to #77. Soon the mechanics were worked out. 1000 b BF + 2500 b ST. I finished my drink, paid the bill and walked out with the girl onto Surawong and headed to Talai Suites, a tiny little ST hotel just after the Japanese Sushi joint Shakariki 432.500 b for the room for 2 hours. I had a wonderful time with the young Non. [/QUOTE]Hey Blanquiceleste, I enjoyed reading your Patpong Report. I had a similar experience when I visited Bada Bing and Electric Blue on my last trip ie I met some nice girls and had a good time. I thought Bada Bing was a little bit classier and had some better looking girls than Electric Blue, but I liked both bars. I plan to head over there again sometime during my next visit to BKK when I feel like a change in scenery. I heard that Pink Panther might be worth checking out too, but I don't know first hand. I also went to the Strip, but I was not that impressed with the girls there although from what I saw I think a lot of hanky panky goes on in this bar if you want it. So Patpong 2 is alright IMHO.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1921661]Truth in what you say. Yes, there are some gems to be found, but it is a lot of work. I have been "auditioning" for regulars since my last two retired or moved on last August. Have not found a single one that fits the bill. Accept? No choice really. Move on? No choice either. A large number of guys I have known over the years already have; they left Thailand. Honestly of all the long terms residents I know, only one is still quite happy with the scene. He lives in Pattaya and takes 2 gals a day. Never pays more than 1 k, usually 700 Baht. But I could never live in Pattaya. Just too much human detritus about.

Believe me, it's no longer the P4 P scene that keeps me in LOS. It's the food, my friends, affordable health insurance and good medical care, cheap regional travel, etc. The gals have become a bonus as opposed to a focus. Twice a month is about all I partake these days. Would not mind more, if I could find some really great gals. I mean really, with anything you do when current experiences start to pale in comparison to what you have known in the past; what's the point?[/QUOTE]The Sukhumvit area is still the place to stay. Centrally located to Nana, Cowboy, Soi 7/1, Beer Garden, massage places on Sois 22-16, Soi 11, etc. Patpong is somewhat isolated. It is also hard to leave that area late at night with the BTS closed. The taxi drivers at Patpong at night are difficult. I highly recommend staying near Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1921086]You are a senior member therefore you can PM him if you wish.[/QUOTE]What the fxxx?!

Obviously, I was unaware of that! Thanks Bkkdog!

[QUOTE=Justemp;1921192]I don't think he likes to find his screen name.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about finding Paul's screen name or mine? If the former, I have messaged him before. .

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1921661]Truth in what you say. Yes, there are some gems to be found, but it is a lot of work. I have been "auditioning" for regulars since my last two retired or moved on last August. Have not found a single one that fits the bill. Accept? No choice really. Move on? No choice either. A large number of guys I have known over the years already have; they left Thailand. Honestly of all the long terms residents I know, only one is still quite happy with the scene. He lives in Pattaya and takes 2 gals a day. Never pays more than 1 k, usually 700 Baht. But I could never live in Pattaya. Just too much human detritus about.

Believe me, it's no longer the P4 P scene that keeps me in LOS. It's the food, my friends, affordable health insurance and good medical care, cheap regional travel, etc. The gals have become a bonus as opposed to a focus. Twice a month is about all I partake these days. Would not mind more, if I could find some really great gals. I mean really, with anything you do when current experiences start to pale in comparison to what you have known in the past; what's the point?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you might be ready to try (or return to?) the dating site scene for a while. I left it after trying it for a couple of months just for variety about a year ago but went back fairly recently with a 1 year premium membership to ThaiCupid, which comes to about $10 USD per month. I still engage in the bar scene because, after living in Bkk for about 4 years, I still enjoy meeting and choosing girls that way. But the "free" girls I can line up from ThaiCupid (which produced much better results for me than ThaiFriendly) as fillers, stand-bys, last minute booty calls, real dinner and movie dates before and sure fire all nighters afterwards is a bit overwhelming.

Mind you, I no longer prolong the preliminaries with these "dates" as I did my first time around. I don't spend days or weeks chatting back and forth, don't wait until after we've met a couple of times to lay it all out about what I want, which is REAL GFE / PSE pussy eating, fucking and sucking. No, I now stick to my looks, weight and age requirements (18-35 year old Girls), stick to my geographic requirements (within the greater Bangkok metropolitan area, no Chaing Mai or Udon Thani "pen pal" crap), and stick to my stated intentions of Romance / Dating etc. I make sure they understand on day one that I am not on ThaiCupid to find a serious relationship, find a pen pal, get married, meet families, help sick relatives or solve problems. Within the first day of chatting on the site or on Line, it has been made clear as possible that I am there for Romance / Dating, which I graciously and helpfully define for them as the kind of sex I mentioned above, with graphic details if necessary. So by the time we have that first coffee or lunch meeting, if she is lucky enough to get one(!), there is NO DOUBT about what the deal is and it is then totally up to me whether they match their photos enough for us to proceed. And if they don't come through as desired, dump them. Quickly.

Many of them do fit the bill. In fact, TOO many of them do.

I toss out dozens of "Interested in you" parties per week that do not suit me before we've exchanged more than 2 sentences on the site and yet I could still fill my days and nights with enough new ones who do make the cut to never step foot in a go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar or up to a FL on Sukhumvit again even though I want to and do it whenever my busy schedule permits. I have to stubbornly hold my ground and refuse followup meeting demands from these girls in order to make sure I have free time to check out what is on offer at the bars and in the clubs.

If you or others tried the dating site scene before but didn't like it, as was the case with me, the one lesson it took me a second go-around to learn was it does NOT pay to be "too nice a guy" with the girls you meet on dating sites. It does pay to be bold, direct and unashamed. I don't mean you start out talking dirty with them. Be cute and charming in those first few exchanges. But while being a "nice guy" works well with many bargirls, it turns out to be the opposite with regular civilian girls on the dating sites. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1921714]Sounds like you might be ready to try (or return to?) the dating site scene for a while. I left it after trying it for a couple of months just for variety about a year ago but went back fairly recently with a 1 year premium membership to ThaiCupid, which comes to about $10 USD per month. I still engage in the bar scene because, after living in Bkk for about 4 years, I still enjoy meeting and choosing girls that way. But the "free" girls I can line up from ThaiCupid (which produced much better results for me than ThaiFriendly) as fillers, stand-bys, last minute booty calls, real dinner and movie dates before and sure fire all nighters afterwards is a bit overwhelming.

Mind you, I no longer prolong the preliminaries with these "dates" as I did my first time around. I don't spend days or weeks chatting back and forth, don't wait until after we've met a couple of times to lay it all out about what I want, which is REAL GFE / PSE pussy eating, fucking and sucking. No, I now stick to my looks, weight and age requirements (18-35 year old Girls), stick to my geographic requirements (within the greater Bangkok metropolitan area, no Chaing Mai or Udon Thani "pen pal" crap), and stick to my stated intentions of Romance / Dating etc. I make sure they understand on day one that I am not on ThaiCupid to find a serious relationship, find a pen pal, get married, meet families, help sick relatives or solve problems. Within the first day of chatting on the site or on Line, it has been made clear as possible that I am there for Romance / Dating, which I graciously and helpfully define for them as the kind of sex I mentioned above, with graphic details if necessary. So by the time we have that first coffee or lunch meeting, if she is lucky enough to get one(!), there is NO DOUBT about what the deal is and it is then totally up to me whether they match their photos enough for us to proceed. And if they don't come through as desired, dump them. Quickly.

Many of them do fit the bill. In fact, TOO many of them do.

I toss out dozens of "Interested in you" parties per week that do not suit me before we've exchanged more than 2 sentences on the site and yet I could still fill my days and nights with enough new ones who do make the cut to never step foot in a go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar or up to a FL on Sukhumvit again even though I want to and do it whenever my busy schedule permits. I have to stubbornly hold my ground and refuse followup meeting demands from these girls in order to make sure I have free time to check out what is on offer at the bars and in the clubs.

If you or others tried the dating site scene before but didn't like it, as was the case with me, the one lesson it took me a second go-around to learn was it does NOT pay to be "too nice a guy" with the girls you meet on dating sites. It does pay to be bold, direct and unashamed. I don't mean you start out talking dirty with them. Be cute and charming in those first few exchanges. But while being a "nice guy" works well with many bargirls, it turns out to be the opposite with regular civilian girls on the dating sites. LOL.[/QUOTE]Won't work for me as I have a long term live in girlfriend. And that is a line I just won't cross. Would probably give it a whirl if I was not entrenched though. Have many friends who are in the dating scene. Most claim it is quite a bit of work.

A Belgian guy spent 200.000 bath on drinks in Long Gun bar yesterday. I hear it from a friend there that checked his bill. He is known to spend amounts like this several times per year. Must be nice to have so much money, but I am not sure I would have used them like that even if I had such financial situation. Anyway, kudos to him. I am sure all the girls are happy.

[QUOTE=Allover;1921675]The Sukhumvit area is still the place to stay. Centrally located to Nana, Cowboy, Soi 7/1, Beer Garden, massage places on Sois 22-16, Soi 11, etc. Patpong is somewhat isolated. It is also hard to leave that area late at night with the BTS closed. The taxi drivers at Patpong at night are difficult. I highly recommend staying near Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the rec. Yeah, it makes sense that staying between Nana and Asoke is the best choice. I shouldn't make Patpong my main thing, especially with all the options in Nana and Cowboy.

Will be going through many massage places and bars and report back.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1921673]Hey Blanquiceleste, I enjoyed reading your Patpong Report. I had a similar experience when I visited Bada Bing and Electric Blue on my last trip ie I met some nice girls and had a good time. I thought Bada Bing was a little bit classier and had some better looking girls than Electric Blue, but I liked both bars. I plan to head over there again sometime during my next visit to BKK when I feel like a change in scenery. I heard that Pink Panther might be worth checking out too, but I don't know first hand. I also went to the Strip, but I was not that impressed with the girls there although from what I saw I think a lot of hanky panky goes on in this bar if you want it. So Patpong 2 is alright IMHO.[/QUOTE]Electric Blue girl quality for me was quite bad but I don't like siliconised. Bada Bing defintely a better standard, but nothing exciting enough to drag me away from usual haunts. Still too much fake stuff for my taste. Bar was very un busy. I think this indicates they just have not got it right to attract a lot of customers just yet. Maybe the customers are more up market than me at Bada Bing.

Just alright but quickly bored was my assessment.

I did not find any great hassles to leave Pat Pong in a taxi. I just walked a short distance away and hailed a passing taxi that was on the move. Parked taxis should be avoided. They tend to be the rip off or difficult ones.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;1921780]A Belgian guy spent 200.000 bath on drinks in Long Gun bar yesterday. I hear it from a friend there that checked his bill. He is known to spend amounts like this several times per year. Must be nice to have so much money, but I am not sure I would have used them like that even if I had such financial situation. Anyway, kudos to him. I am sure all the girls are happy.[/QUOTE]It is hardly possible to spend 200 K baht on drinks. One normal drink is less than 200 baht. 200 k is well over a thousand drinks. Don't be silly. 50 girls at well over 20 drinks per person. Ha ha. I doubt they have 50 girls these days.

Sure a guy can tip girls huge money but drinks?

Perhaps he bought lots of Jonny Walker Blue Label bottles. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1921892]Electric Blue girl quality for me was quite bad but I don't like siliconised. Bada Bing defintely a better standard, but nothing exciting enough to drag me away from usual haunts. [/QUOTE]On Sillycones:

I don't like to siliconize either. HA HA. Great word. But, on my last trip I took a girl from off the Lord sofa, not realizing she was augmentalized. I did not like her boobs and at first I regretted my selection and thought about bailing. Later on I wished I had met her earlier in her career. Apparently she didn't like her new breasts either, telling me it was hard for her to get a good night's sleep with those things. But I am sure glad I proceeded with Ing because she turned out to be a blow job queen and gave me overall very passionate service.

Face - 7 - attractive.

Ta Ta's - 4 - sillycones, but decent surgery. Not too large.

Body (otherwise) - 7. 5 - well maintained sexy 26 year old Thai girl body. Shapely mature. No fat. No kids. Great un-landscaped pussy.

Service - 9. 2 - very friendly with great BBBJ's (plural) and passionate sex including DFK, 69, rimming, and multiple positions which ran into overtime by 10 minutes or so.

WIR. Yes, I ranked this silly cone girl in my 2016 top 10, but she now tells me that she has left the Lord. I got my fingers crossed that we stay connected via LINE until I return. I am looking forward to seeing her again.

On Bada Bing, Electric Blu, and Patpong 2 Go Go's in general:

I would agree with you that they are not quite the equal of our mutually favorite bars on Cowboy or Nana, but for a change in scenery, I think they will do quite nicely. My opinion is that Patpong 2 Go Go's are the same same as Cowboy, only different and the Patpong girls I met were very friendly customer centric without being too pushy. The Electric Blue girl whom I decided not to barfine after a shot of tequila and a little get to know ya bar room intimacy accepted my no barfine decision with grace. I gave her 100bt tip for her time. The Bada Bing girl I barfined was attractive (tall and thin with natuiral Ta Ta's and blond hair) and very good in bed.

On my next trip I will have a free annual voucher night from Marriott. I will probably use it to stay at the Marriott Courtyard. The Marriott annual voucher used to be accepted at the Renaissance Hotel, but Marriott raised the Renaissance class level to 4, the bastards, and so Courtyard is the only hotel in BKK where I can use it. I am thinking of cancelling my Marriott Chase card. I prefer my Intercontinental and Hyatt Chase cards much more - less restrictions and better hotels especially in Jakarta where I will be staying for 2 weeks gratis thanks to Intercontinental and Hyatt Hotel points and vouchers. Anyway the Courtyard is a nice enough hotel and just one BTS station away from Patpong 2, so that is where I will most likely be heading early on the night in question. If things don't pan out there, I've always got Spasso and Mixx for backup later on. Its all good. This is Bangkok.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1921917]Great un-landscaped pussy.[/QUOTE]Yikes. This is one disturbing trend I am seeing at the oilies now. I don't mind a landing strip, but when the lip, taint, and a at at area are not shaved it is very unappealing to me. Probably as big if not a bigger turn off then sillies are to you guys. I actually love fake tits as long as they are well executed. Prefer them to naturals actually. But a hairy snatch wilts my pecker. Guess I am going to have to start asking if the gals are shaved. This is probably due to the increasing number of Asian customers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1921895]It is hardly possible to spend 200 K baht on drinks. One normal drink is less than 200 baht. 200 k is well over a thousand drinks. Don't be silly. 50 girls at well over 20 drinks per person. Ha ha. I doubt they have 50 girls these days.

Sure a guy can tip girls huge money but drinks?

Perhaps he bought lots of Jonny Walker Blue Label bottles. LOL.[/QUOTE]Maybe he barfined the whole bar?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1922101]Maybe he barfined the whole bar?[/QUOTE]And bought drinks for everyone in the bar for an extended period of time.

SL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1922015]Yikes. This is one disturbing trend I am seeing at the oilies now. I don't mind a landing strip, but when the lip, taint, and a at at area are not shaved it is very unappealing to me. Probably as big if not a bigger turn off then sillies are to you guys. I actually love fake tits as long as they are well executed. Prefer them to naturals actually. But a hairy snatch wilts my pecker. Guess I am going to have to start asking if the gals are shaved. This is probably due to the increasing number of Asian customers.[/QUOTE]Like you, I am essentially a pussy man (did that come out right?). I love exposed bare pussy and find it a major turn on compared to the antiquated hairy bush that hides everything. There is something so erotic and mysterious about the labia (labium) and the way it folds around the vagina. I like to think of every pussy is a unique work of art and puffy, multi hued, pussy lips; the most desired form.

Now that said, I must tell you that once in a while I can enjoy the natural look. A little variety is a good thing especially since hairy vaginas are so rare in modern times. They remind me of my early days in college during the 70's when 100% of American girls were hairy, very hairy. 555. I grew up and went to college in Chicago. Most of my early girls were of southern Italian American extraction and believe me, those girls had so much dark brown fur down below that I could barely see a thing. I can still recall my first real view of a vagina and clit belonging to a girl I was shagging. She was really pretty Irish American red head. Her pussy hair was very thin and light reddish in color so it allowed me to see my first mysteriously beautiful pussy. What a turn on she was! Then, of course, time went by and sometime in the 80's styles changed and girls began shaving. That was like a gift from heaven for all of us punters and for the next 20 years all I saw and did was bare and I loved it.

Then in 2009 I took my first side trip to Macau where I rediscovered the hairy pussy. At first I did not like it, but after a couple of trips I began to get into it because it was so different from everywhere else I went. Based solely on my anecdotal experiences in Macau and Hong Kong, I would estimate that the percentage of natural hairy Chinese (and Japanese) working girls in Macau and Hong Kong is something like 70% to 80%. And take note: Chinese hairy pussy is a far cry from the thick black Italian America hairy pussy I used to enjoy back in Chicago in the good old days. Chinese and Japanese girls have long stringy pussy hair and if you are not careful, loose strands can fall into your mouth and onto your tongue. Ha Ha.

In April, I hooked up with a very sexy Chinese girl at Darling 1 in Macau. She was thin and of medium height with very nice "A" cups on an athletic and limber body. AND yeah, she had a stringy, brown, hairy pussy. I would have preferred her with a shaved pussy, but we got along great and I had a really good time with her. At some point in the session I asked her why she did not shave her pussy. Basically she told me that she was sensitive and self conscious about exposing her vagina to men and so she preferred having her long hair down there to cover up and shield her most private part. I think that is probably the most reasonable explanation I will ever hear from a Chinese girl on the subject. For the record, my two Darling 1 Chinese girls and my Lord Thai girl were the only hairy girls I had on my 2016 trip. All my other girls were shaved or trimmed including another Chinese ethnic girl from Singapore whom I met in Familia Nobre, Macau. The Singaporean had a nicely landscaped pussy.

So who knows where trends will go in the future. I can't see Thai girls going back to hairy wild pussy. They are too neat and hygienic for that to happen. The Thai working girls that leave things natural down there are obviously catering to what they perceive to be Northern Asian customer preferences. I am not sure that is what Northern Asian guys really desire. I know its what they are used to back home, but I think they might actually prefer the clean manicured look in BKK and Jakarta. Who knows? It would definitely be a disturbing trend IMHO if say more than 25% of Thai working girls in Go Go's and massage shops started letting their hair grow, but at present, I can't see that happening.

I have only been away 3 months yet a few things changed.

Visited Thermae just before 12 pm. Very full. Standard of the girls was vastly better than my previous visit. Was just a quick look. Already fucked. Maybe Saturday can be much better than another day or something very major has happened. A few really stunning girls. I will go.

Back and see if can find any girls interested or not. Shows that a single visit to a place can be fooling me. So so different this time.

Standard at Crazy House declines unless you don't mind sillies and nose jobs. Quite a few new girls but mostly fake. A few good bodies and one super body but very few naturally beautiful faces. I am biased because most of my past favourites have left, leaving just Oom No. 91 today. I will have to see if old favorite stunner Donut is contactable.

Portable bars near Cowboy have mostly gone. Police raided and found a girl or 2 not allowed. I probably fucked one of the illegals. I did not know but should have suspected. My young girl had tits a bit too fabulously high, big and natural, zero sag. Perfection.

Mercury Bar in Nana had a lot more business than previous visits. The mix of Coyotes and bargirls seems to be working for them. My favourites were absent.

Dr BJ is renamed Wood Bar and redecorated on the outside and the Nuru is Chrome Bar. I suppose this is old news, I did not check. I did try out letter Z. Pity she had her tits done just 1 moth ago. Sweet girl, quite prettty and no experience, no special skills.

Points: Face 8, body 6 marks off for sillies not that great and a baby, attitude to having fun 7, GFE 7, skills 5, repeat maybe but not certain. The lack of great skills did not bother me that much. BBBJ was quite OK.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1922207]I can't see Thai girls going back to hairy wild pussy. They are too neat and hygienic for that to happen. The Thai working girls that leave things natural down there are obviously catering to what they perceive to be Northern Asian customer preferences. I am not sure that is what Northern Asian guys really desire. I know its what they are used to back home, but I think they might actually prefer the clean manicured look in BKK and Jakarta. Who knows? It would definitely be a disturbing trend IMHO if say more than 25% of Thai working girls in Go Go's and massage shops started letting their hair grow, but at present, I can't see that happening.[/QUOTE]When I first came in the late 90's very few of the gals were shaven in LOS. In Cambo it was none. Asian dudes just don't like "bald tiger. " It's seen as a sign of ill health. During the early 00s most of the gals in LOS found the razor and it has been the norm for quite awhile now. Now it seems that Asian customers are becoming the vast majority, namely in the oilies, whereas 10 years ago they were the minority. The gals will try to please the majority. Sadly some gals I know who have been shaven for years now have a Bush. For me that is a big yuck. One of my biggest turn offs.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1921917]On Sillycones:

I don't like to siliconize either. HA HA. Great word. But, on my last trip I took a girl from off the Lord sofa, not realizing she was augmentalized. I did not like her boobs and at first I regretted my selection and thought about bailing. Later on I wished I had met her earlier in her career. Apparently she didn't like her new breasts either, telling me it was hard for her to get a good night's sleep with those things. But I am sure glad I proceeded with Ing because she turned out to be a blow job queen and gave me overall very passionate service.

Face - 7 - attractive.

Ta Ta's - 4 - sillycones, but decent surgery. Not too large.

Body (otherwise) - 7. 5 - well maintained sexy 26 year old Thai girl body. Shapely mature. No fat. No kids. Great un-landscaped pussy.

Service - 9. 2 - very friendly with great BBBJ's (plural) and passionate sex including DFK, 69, rimming, and multiple positions which ran into overtime by 10 minutes or so.

WIR. Yes, I ranked this silly cone girl in my 2016 top 10, but she now tells me that she has left the Lord. I got my fingers crossed that we stay connected via LINE until I return. I am looking forward to seeing her again.

On Bada Bing, Electric Blu, and Patpong 2 Go Go's in general:

I would agree with you that they are not quite the equal of our mutually favorite bars on Cowboy or Nana, but for a change in scenery, I think they will do quite nicely. My opinion is that Patpong 2 Go Go's are the same same as Cowboy, only different and the Patpong girls I met were very friendly customer centric without being too pushy. The Electric Blue girl whom I decided not to barfine after a shot of tequila and a little get to know ya bar room intimacy accepted my no barfine decision with grace. I gave her 100bt tip for her time. The Bada Bing girl I barfined was attractive (tall and thin with natuiral Ta Ta's and blond hair) and very good in bed.

On my next trip I will have a free annual voucher night from Marriott. I will probably use it to stay at the Marriott Courtyard. The Marriott annual voucher used to be accepted at the Renaissance Hotel, but Marriott raised the Renaissance class level to 4, the bastards, and so Courtyard is the only hotel in BKK where I can use it. I am thinking of cancelling my Marriott Chase card. I prefer my Intercontinental and Hyatt Chase cards much more - less restrictions and better hotels especially in Jakarta where I will be staying for 2 weeks gratis thanks to Intercontinental and Hyatt Hotel points and vouchers. Anyway the Courtyard is a nice enough hotel and just one BTS station away from Patpong 2, so that is where I will most likely be heading early on the night in question. If things don't pan out there, I've always got Spasso and Mixx for backup later on. Its all good. This is Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Natty,

Tits is not exactly make or break for me. Some of my best girls ever had a tit job, and one of them even had a bad tit job. The girl with bad tit job jad the tits remodelled eventually with silicone taken out. Another old favorite had her silicones reduced to be more comfortable.

So I don't always refuse girls with tit jobs. Its something for her lose points on, considering I have had girls with amazing naturals.

At Crazy Hose, I don't believe I ever had a girl with silicones, as there some really great natural bodies in there and some horrible silly girls too. I have compromised and taken a girl with nose job. No. 91 has the best nose job I have seen and looks really good to me. Plenty of ugly nose jobs. Alas my big favorite Donut does not seem to be there any more. Studies in a another province. May have taken on a sugar daddy who wants her all to himself. No real stunners in CH last night. Not like when it first opened and all the girls were very good looking.

One girl at CH interests me. Moderately plain face not ugly but not that pretty either, but stunning body. May try her just for her super ass and tits. Lovely bald pussy too.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922429]

One girl at CH interests me. Moderately plain face not ugly but not that pretty either, but stunning body. May try her just for her super ass and tits. Lovely bald pussy too.[/QUOTE]Just swallow your pride and take one for the team. Do give us a report.

Randy 'Murican.

Did check out the bars in Nana Plaza and was positively surprised about the quality of the girls in the Billboard bar on the 3rd floor. After the entrance on the right hand side about 15 girls topless standing in a big foam jacuzzi and on the left hand side 30 above average pretty girls in bikinis on a rotating platform. Second best bar was the upper Mandarin bar on 2nd floor. Many good looking slim girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922429]Natty,

Tits is not exactly make or break for me. Some of my best girls ever had a tit job, and one of them even had a bad tit job. The girl with bad tit job jad the tits remodelled eventually with silicone taken out. Another old favorite had her silicones reduced to be more comfortable.

So I don't always refuse girls with tit jobs. Its something for her lose points on, considering I have had girls with amazing naturals.

At Crazy Hose, I don't believe I ever had a girl with silicones, as there some really great natural bodies in there and some horrible silly girls too. I have compromised and taken a girl with nose job. No. 91 has the best nose job I have seen and looks really good to me. Plenty of ugly nose jobs. Alas my big favorite Donut does not seem to be there any more. Studies in a another province. May have taken on a sugar daddy who wants her all to himself. No real stunners in CH last night. Not like when it first opened and all the girls were very good looking.

One girl at CH interests me. Moderately plain face not ugly but not that pretty either, but stunning body. May try her just for her super ass and tits. Lovely bald pussy too.[/QUOTE]It's a shame that so many gals opt for cheap sillies and nose jobs. If a nose job is well done, you will never know they had one. Most Drs use silicon; not good. Can open a pathway to infection later on. Have a friend who is board certified in plastic and head and neck surgery. Does a lot of facial reconstructions after accidents and disease. Right way is to take a small piece of rib from the person, shape it, and then place it in the nose. Done well, it looks totally natural.

As far as sillies are concerned most gals here opt for the basic cheap round implants as opposed to the McGhan teardrop shaped ones that again, look natural. Price difference is huge. Rounds can be had as cheap as 40 k, McGhans 100 K and up.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1922443]It's a shame that so many gals opt for cheap sillies and nose jobs. If a nose job is well done, you will never know they had one. Most Drs use silicon; not good. Can open a pathway to infection later on. Have a friend who is board certified in plastic and head and neck surgery. Does a lot of facial reconstructions after accidents and disease. Right way is to take a small piece of rib from the person, shape it, and then place it in the nose. Done well, it looks totally natural.

As far as sillies are concerned most gals here opt for the basic cheap round implants as opposed to the McGhan teardrop shaped ones that again, look natural. Price difference is huge. Rounds can be had as cheap as 40 k, McGhans 100 K and up.[/QUOTE]"Never know"? I think even the very best nose job, one will still suspect it, even if not certain. A famous Thai actress Lalita was considered very beautiful but had an ugly large nose orinigally, a little bit hooked and definitely puffy. A few years later, her nose was markedly smaller. Thais did not seem to notice the change, but was very obvious to me. Her looks did improve dramtically though with the cuter nose, in my opinion. I don't recall any girl ever admitting to a nose job, where I had no suspicion of it whatsoever. I guess it could be secret.

No. 91 at CH, Oom, has a very straight ridged nose, and nose sticks outward (not squashed) a little more than normal for Thais, and no sign of broadness. It looks just a little too good, so one suspects. She tried to keep it secret, but finally admitted it. She tells me a small piece of bone was taken from behind the ear. She is lucky it turned out so good, as I find it to be the very best known nose job at CH, and not really noticeable. Fortunately she does not consider a tit job. Her tits are just A cups but very high and beautifully shaped.

The girl at CH with mega tats (including ass) and piercings, don't know the name, looked somewhat masculine to me with strange jaw shape, now has breast enhancements. The tits do look better than before as used to be just saggy bags. Obviously has had a child. Tit job wasn't overdone and curve shape on top down to the nipple does not seem too convex (where is supposed to be slightly concave for naturals). Some tit jobs can be an improvement, as Goatscrot says, when previously were too saggy, or complete pancakes previously. It is just unfortunate that 90% of tit jobs are not improvements to my taste, and some are completely horrendous.

I always say to girls, think of beauty of shape, and not size, when considering a tit job. Same goes for a nose job.

Is bigger better? No way! Beauty is not about being big. I do admit to preferring girls to be moderately tall at least, over really short girls, but proportion is more important. Most of my favourites are at least medium height, with the odd short girl thrown in.

[QUOTE=RandyMurican;1922431]Just swallow your pride and take one for the team. Do give us a report.

Randy 'Murican.[/QUOTE]Its not pride. I just get a little bit obsessed with really pretty faced girls. I often compromise on the body a little but less frequently on the face. I will do her I am sure, when the right chance arrives, now that my Donut has gone. Donut was an 9 for body and 9 for the face. The girl to be tried, name not known is close to a 10 for the body, I guess 9. 5 since her perfect tits are probably only be+ size, and her height is only average. Her face is probably only a 7, at best, but still pleasant looking for me. She has confidence, as she knows how hot her body is, I am sure. Does not struggle to get customers.

Data:

Fabulous girls of CH from former times (my top three):
Nat (sounds like nut) (80?) Face 8.5, body 10, good on the bed. Perhaps best overall girl for face, body and performance.
May Lee (49), face 9, body 9, variable on the bed, passionate after a few drinks. Hope she comes back.
Donut (21 previously 83), Face 9, body 9, passionate on the bed, but no skills.

Girls I like, possibly still there at times (hopefully):
Ging (40), face 7.5, body 9 (big tits), good enough on the bed, moderate passion (can be horny).
Oom (91), face 8.5, body 8, goer on the bed.
Jane (4), face 8, body 8 (very small tits but great ass), good on the bed.
Nikki (1), face 7.5, body 7, good enough on the bed.
Noi (78), Face 7, body 6, passionate on the bed.
Naen, Face 7, body 7, good on bed but a bit too short for me. Has a baby.

I don't really rate any of the girls in the skills department, since I don't go there looking for anal, ass licking, special expert blowjobs, etc. Just a fun time for me. Plenty of good looking girls got rejected from being dick scared or no fucking stamina at all. I never cum real quick.

Warning though. The line up seems currently weak to me. I downgrade girls with fake noses, fake tits, saggy tits, saggy ass, body too straight - no shape, hook noses, bulbous noses, chubby, fat thighs, overly prominent jaws, or even round faces, too much piercings, excessive baby stretch marks, really excessive tats. So I consider myself rather fussy for looks. I do manage to ignore a few tats as it is so common. Thermae last night had several girls much prettier than those at Crazy House, I can say they were stunning, but that was with their clothes on.

Crazy House line up tonight at 22:45 was vastly different to yesterday. Less girls but a much better standard. To my taste. Lots of nice natural bodies and very few sillies, in fact no horrible tit jobs. Still a few nose jobs. However plenty of nice looking girls for me. I felt the visit was worthwhile, if you like perving at naked tits and pussy.

No. 8 Taeng has been there for years, on and off, sometimes wear's glasses, and her friend number 30. Both were dancing real raunchy and being considerably touched up, including the pussy. Some guy had a wad of 100 Baht bills to tip the girls with. Obviously they liked that, and were very motivated to allow the groping, not too excessively.

Number 144 is tallish with beautiful tits. I might try her sometime. Also new girl 65 (name maybe Ang) was cute. 145 has nice ass and loves dancing a bit disco style. These 3 are potentially girls I might try.

Number 124 looks nice enough. Number 28 "Oo" is a pretty tall girl. I BFed her once but she was dick scared.

I decided not to take number 92 despite her hot body. Her face is rather angular with prominent jaw and she has a very untrustworthy look, so I get the wrong vibe from her. Heard a rumour she is not the nicest girl either. No. 91 Oom is nice looking and Noi 78 returned. No. 51 was cute but rather short and I prefer more model type looks.

Number 67 was one of the least natural looking with the appearance of so many face Operations that she looks like a ladyboy. Only a small number of girls I would consider as completely un doable on the ground floor. Two girls with very excessive piercings, one very short with a totally horrible body, and one with really below average face. Not many fat girls at all. Just one or two.

No. 148 (I think) had fabulous full ass, no sag, with nice gap underneath, however impossible to consider her as tits were covered by something completely hiding the shape of the tits.

I did my best to remember a few numbers in case anyone knows these girls.

Is the generic the Indian made stuff? Do the staff speak enough English that someone who speaks no Thai can communicate that they want to purchase generic cialis? I'd hate to try to communicate my needs with non-verbal communication.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Teacup;1916873]The pharmacy next to Bully's on Sukhumvit.

The real thing is Bt. 1900 for 4. Sealed hologram package.

Generic is Bt. 400 for 4. Sealed package.

I have yet to be able to report on the efficacy of either.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blago;1922736]Is the generic the Indian made stuff? Do the staff speak enough English that someone who speaks no Thai can communicate that they want to purchase generic cialis? I'd hate to try to communicate my needs with non-verbal communication.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]This is a shop selling to lots of tourists. They speak very good English of course. The normal Generic Cialis is called Apcalis. Would be a waste of money to pay a lot more for the Genuine brand Cialis (Lily)

I intended to take a Mango girl but she wasn't working, nor was my normal Annies girl.

Quick stop at Crazy House today. I thought I liked Jan (93) at first with a very sleek beautiful model nude figure (small tits). 3 months new. Cute upturned nose. Her face colour was a little strange. Not light, not dark, not even tan, sort of a strange dull tinge. Dark eyes. I called her over for a drink.

I did not take to the way she spoke English nor to the way she spoke Thai. I decided the chemistry wasn't quite working. She seemed like a bit of an actress. So despite the great sexy body I decided against her. I had to shoo several other girls away too (I was approached by girls a lot more than normal don't know why - perhaps newbie girls don't know me yet after away nearly 3 months). The waitress later told me the girl was Khmer when I indicated I was no longer interested in No. 93. That made some sense in relation to her strange speech. I probably should have gone for No. 144 that I had previously admired (very beautiful tits for one thing). The line up was reasonable, but not to CH best. I decided I still did not want to risk No. 92 with stunning body but angular face with the strange untrustworthy smirk.

Left and decided to stop by Thermae at 21.30. Would it be too early? My last visit to Thermae meeting a very memorable girl for LT booking was about 15 years ago. I can't remember if I ever took another girl since that time. If so, quite unmemorable.

Was quite busy already, almost as busy as Saturday night. 90% of customers looked Japanese or Koreans but a few Farangs. There are plenty of ladyboys and black girls hanging around outside the establishment but not inside.

A circuit indicated that the number of stunners was way less than last Saturday at midnight, if there were any at all. Plainly a few girls were showing interest in me, so I need not worry that girls want Japanese only. The first girl I really like, had a beautiful smooth white face and beautiful soft curved nose (not sure if had a nose job or not. If so was a good one. Looked just slightly suspicious). The problem was she wore a billowing type of dress and seated with her legs crossed it was hard to see her lower size. Eventually some Japanese guys wanted her table so she had to stand. At this point I could see her legs were reasonably okay But belly seemed too prominent. So I crossed her off without speaking to her. I was just lurking with a drink, not far away.

Back to circulate a bit till saw 2nd cute girl. Very white face upturned nose, braces, and showing off fairly nice looking tits (over the bra or top). Before I got to talk to her a quirky looking Japanese guy starting talking to her. They soon reached a decision and off they went. Negotiations maybe?

I had to move on and finally spotted a cutie with big lips and light tan skin. I thought she may not be the type Japanese like to pick. I decided to speak to her and she did not beat around the Bush at all suggesting we should go for a short time. (Chua Khrao is the Thai expression). I doubt she had much English as she did not seem to know the words "Short Time", but I noticed a lot of girls and Asian customers had to speak a bit of English together as neither could speak each other's language much. Name was Nit.

There are Hotels nearby with ST rooms when available, e. G. Ruamchit or Miami. Not great Hotels to stay in normally most likely, or perhaps Ruamchit has two sections.

Turned out Nit had a good body when undressed even if small tits. No big disappointment. All natural. Age 23. No baby no sag. Very short very black pussy hair. On the bed she was a bit weird. Squirmed around at first avoiding to be kissed. Seemed to be a cleanliness freak or scared of microbes. Into wiping herself clean too often when not necessary. Did not seem to be into DATY much. I just realised right now I didn't get a BJ either. So naturally every one will realise that "service" was non existent. We just sort of played with each other until was hard enough to fuck her.

As fuck went much better and she seemed to enjoy this, moving to it quite well, and having my pubic area rub against her clit while screwing. She seemed to like fucking only. Gave me a very nice doggie to get me to cum. So all up quite nice for the fuck, but there was absolutely nothing else. Not professional in any way at all. Of course I have had much worse bargirls than this, the dick scared ones who use very stiff legs to make themselves virtually unfuckable, a problem that is quite hard to ascertain before taking a girl. I suppose could ask a girl how she likes dick. LOL. At least this girl seemed to want to be fucked and seemed to get into it.

Turned out she had a day job selling clothes, and only was part time hooker when short of money, she suggested about 5 days per month. So its luck of the draw with part time girls whether they have any skills whatsoever and how passionate they are. This one was very friendly but clearly a microbe scared girl, was my assessment.

Obviously despite getting off okay, there is no way I would repeat, as I normally get nice kissing, nice BJ etc. It worked out cheaper than a Bargirl as did not have to pay barfine or buy her any drinks. Perhaps next time I might have to discuss the service with a Thermae girl. We did not discuss the service and actually did not discuss the money either, so I was free to pay her what I felt was about right. I have little clue what is the going rate there. The girl obviously believed Farangs are Jai Dee. LOL.

Its not fair to really rate Thermae based on a sample of one weird girl I think. I could try again another night. I will try to get a girl more stunning next time, not just pretty, might need to be a Saturday, or may have to wait patiently till the right girl arrives.

I don't know if the report is really useful, other than to indicate you can't really expect these amateur part time hookers, to be knowing how to give a great service or even wanting to. The cuter ones probably don't need to get any repeat business. However same can be said of bargirls that are the fabulous looking ones, I mean ones that are better looking than 98% can get a customer in 2 minutes flat. This is why some guys are scared to take really superior looking girls.

Even today I skipped the superior looking girl at CH as the vibe was not right. With the Thermae girl, the vibe was good, but that gave no hint she would like sex but not like kissing.

I still remember my very first visit to the old Thermae Coffee shop 24 years ago when my girl for the night was pretty, very passionate and had fabulous white expansive tits C cup, and I repeated her several nights till she enough money to go back home to Phitsanulok. Would be great to meet her again and see how she looks now aged say 44 and if her tits are still any good at all.

[QUOTE=Teacup;1916873]The pharmacy next to Bully's on Sukhumvit.

The real thing is Bt. 1900 for 4. Sealed hologram package.

Generic is Bt. 400 for 4. Sealed package.

I have yet to be able to report on the efficacy of either.[/QUOTE]I got generic Cialis called "Apcalis" from a small pharmacy near to the Emporium shopping mall on Sukhumvit. Sealed blister packs of 2, not 4. I forgot the exact price but I think it was about 300 or 400 per package.

As to the effects, when I take one in the afternoon, I feel it working until about the early morning.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922937]I intended to take a Mango girl but she wasn't working, .. . Thermae ... I can't remember if I ever took another girl since that time. If so, quite unmemorable.

... . I finally spotted a cutie with big lips and light tan skin. ... I decided to speak to her and she did not beat around the Bush at all suggesting we should go for a short time. (Chua Khrao is the Thai expression). I doubt she had much English as she did not seem to know the words "Short Time"... Name was Nit.Turned out Nit had a good body when undressed even if small tits. No big disappointment. All natural. Age 23. No baby no sag. Very short very black pussy hair. On the bed she was a bit weird. Squirmed around at first avoiding to be kissed. Seemed to be a cleanliness freak or scared of microbes. Did not seem to be into DATY much. I just realised right now I didn't get a BJ either. So naturally every one will realise that "service" was non existent. We just sort of played with each other until was hard enough to fuck her.

As fuck went much better and she seemed to enjoy this, moving to it quite well, and having my pubic area rub against her clit while screwing. She seemed to like fucking only. Gave me a very nice doggie to get me to cum. So all up quite nice for the fuck, but there was absolutely nothing else. Not professional in any way at all.

Turned out she had a day job selling clothes, and only was part time hooker when short of money, she suggested about 5 days per month. So its luck of the draw with part time girls whether they have any skills whatsoever and how passionate they are. This one was very friendly but clearly a microbe scared girl, was my assessment.

Obviously despite getting off okay, there is no way I would repeat, as I normally get nice kissing, nice BJ etc. It worked out cheaper than a Bargirl as did not have to pay barfine or buy her any drinks. Perhaps next time I might have to discuss the service with a Thermae girl. We did not discuss the service and actually did not discuss the money either, so I was free to pay her what I felt was about right. I have little clue what is the going rate there. The girl obviously believed Farangs are Jai Dee. LOL.

Its not fair to really rate Thermae based on a sample of one weird girl I think. I could try again another night. I will try to get a girl more stunning next time, not just pretty, might need to be a Saturday, or may have to wait patiently till the right girl arrives.[/QUOTE]An interesting report, Syzygies. Kind of like a day in the life of a punter in BKK.

I think I know the Mango girl you were planning to see. She is a sexy girl who knows her way around the boudoir and likes pleasing her customers. I took her 3 times last trip including an early afternoon outcall. No need to mention her name. IMHO she is one of only two doable girls currently in the Mango lineup these days.

Nit, your Thermae gal sounds intriguing ie a part timer with not so apparent foreplay skills, but one who enjoys a good shag when she gets one. Ha Ha. Depending on how cute she was and how good the initial chemistry; she might have a lot more to give further down the road with additional attentions, but then again there are so many BKK girls to choose from, one doesn't have the time to break in every nice girl one meets. Anyway, I will be on the lookout for your further adventures at Thermae and other colorful venues. Some say the Thermae girls are Asian-centric (left side), but I have had few problems getting a girl I really wanted from either side of the room. The problem for me has always been Thermae quality. Sometimes there just isn't any quality. Additionally, many of the girls dress so shabby. Their presentation really stands in the way of my making a move. And lastly, I hate bedroom surprises so unless a girl is facially very good looking, which is kind of rare at Thermae, I am very gun shy in this place. I think I have had only two Thermae girls in the last 6 or7 years. One of my 2 girls was a knock out and a part timer who said she worked in a law office and I believed her. Sadly I lost her cell number and never saw her or any girl of her quality in Thermae again. Boo Hoo!

In any case, Rock On and have a great trip. I know you will. I just wish I was in BKK right now instead of picking ripe mangos from my trees and lollygagging by my pool in south Florida. Its a rough life, but this is what I have to do for now.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1922948]I got generic Cialis called "Apcalis" from a small pharmacy near to the Emporium shopping mall on Sukhumvit. Sealed blister packs of 2, not 4. I forgot the exact price but I think it was about 300 or 400 per package.

As to the effects, when I take one in the afternoon, I feel it working until about the early morning.[/QUOTE]Normally they sell a cardboard packet containing two foil blister packs of two tablets each I believe, so still 4 tablets in total for 400 Baht. Apcalis / Cialis is actually little or no benefit to me. I don't really feel any great assistance. May as well take a placebo, however I understand it works well for others. I never use with my GF in any case. She doesn't like marathon sex. LOL 30 minutes fuck is enough for her, as she orgasms with extreme ease, very sensitive and explodes first time with less than 2 minutes of DATY.

Viagra / Kamagra does have a powerful effect for me, even small dose, so no idea why Cialis doesn't do much.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1922951]I think I know the Mango girl you were planning to see. She is a sexy girl who knows her way around the boudoir and likes pleasing her customers. I took her 3 times last trip including an early afternoon outcall. No need to mention her name. IMHO she is one of only two doable girls currently in the Mango lineup these days.[/QUOTE]Actually I was thinking of trying Ae for a change at Mango. Her web pics looked pretty sexy to me. Don't recall if I have actually seen her in the flesh so I hope won't be disappointed.

I agree that there would be potential for Nit at Thermae to improve on subsequent liasons, but I just can't be bothered taking the risk and putting the effort in. There are plenty of other possible girls. I never take girls again that don't kiss unless they are absolutely drop dead gorgeous. One such girl, a blonde Romanian with stunning face and ass, did get persuaded to include kissing eventually. I will little doubt see her again.

I have seen a lot of guys walking on the street with very pretty companions, more so than I used to see in previous years. Not sure where all the stunning hookers are coming from. Maybe not the bars I attend. Maybe they come from very special clubs. Maybe they are big money girls, I don't know. Could be Coyote girls from somewhere. I know one or two stunning Coyotes. Most Coyotes on Cowboy and at Nana are rather ordinary though.

I got lucky the girl's body was not a train wreck under the clothes, with no problems, but its a big punt to take a girl with clothes on. They do dress a bit too conservatively at times. I simply won't choose the girl if her outfit is not tight enough to show the figure reasonably well.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1912198]Alright so a guy only has so much willpower, mine was never plentiful anyway.

Tonight I went back to CH and payed my 3000 B for girl #72, Nut. Having been there a number of times in the last month Nut stands out to me as easily the most attractive to my eye, only problem being that she always dances in a bikini.

After the obligatory tequilas we were shortly on the way to my hotel and I must say that Nut lost none of her charm when we left CH as some girls do. Chatty and funny Nut was easy to talk to and once we arrived in the room there was no rush from her whatsoever despite it being a busy Firiday night.

We probably chatted on the sofa for 20 minutes or so before showers and down to action. There were two things in particular that will stick in my mind for ever. One was the terrible boob job Nut had. Clearly she's aware of that hence the wearing of the bikini to cover that up. Seriously, the surgeon that left her with such a disfigurement should be shot and if he survives he should be shot again. Harsh I know but nobody should do such a thing to another human being.

Back to the action, the other thing that will stay in my mind is the sight of Nut's spectacular body before me as I was about to commence doggy. The most perfect ass, delightfully tanned skin, a waist I can almost get my hands around, a lean and tight torso leading up to an almost pixie haircut, her face turning to look at mine with that desperation to continue that session. Hey, those of us without too much ego know it's mostly an acting job they perform but what the hell, she should win an Oscar for the performance she put in. Beautiful memories.[/QUOTE]For me the ass, is more important than the tits so thankfully CH does not really have girls with completely hidden ass. BTW, technically girls don't wear bikini, its bikini top only with short skirt and no knickers. Essentially the short skirt does not hide the lower portion of the ass nor the pussy completely. Not all girls wearing a top have bad boobs. Some are just shy. It is hard to tell.

Can't say that Nut #72 rings a bell at all. Either I did not meet her or just wasn't my type. Nice she performed well. Aha, I think I now recall a girl with short hair bob cut, looking quite good, hot ass, but wearing a bra covering fairly obviously bad boob job I thought. Never spoke to her and did not note the number. So could be wrong girl. I think she was there Saturday but not since then.

I recently reported I could not really take No. 148, due to a top really hiding her boobs shape completely, even though her ass looked magnificent.

Other day I reported cute No. 28 as Oo. I believe her name should be Boom.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1460974]Return to Crazy House. Lineup was even better than Sunday. Arrived at 11PM. Many good lookers. This place is already significantly better than Baccara. Faces better, bodies better. Not so much fake stuff. Okay Some mammoth enhanced tits. Many very nice naturals. Completely nude girls with shaven pussy dancing quite raunchy. Some of the pussy is looking real fine. I fancied very pretty No. 91 (not a totally nude one). Problem was she was right near bickering over the price with a younger guy with beard. He would not go high enough and she would not go low enough. In the end they kept trying and not sure if the deal finally got done.
[/QUOTE]I first visited Crazy House on 16th August 2013, so today is 3rd anniversary. As you can see above (posted 20th Aug 2013) I first saw Oom No. 91 that August. I did not first fuck her until a much later date (fortunately) since she had to be under the limit. She still works there now. Something is a little fishy. She tells me that she did not start at CH till her 18th birthday. However now tell me she will turn 21 this November. Do I detect an inconsistency? LOL She first claimed to have no nose job too. Actually has a very good nose job. Not a completely honest bargirl. LOL Says she has no BF any more too. What to believe? LOL At least I know she is good on the bed and has stamina. That is no lie.

Today I am told of a possible Cambodian girl. This place leads clearly has a special relationship with police. I have seen them hiding the Yaa Dong (special ladies alcohol drink) before the police were known to be coming in advance for a check. I don't believe any place would risk girls too young though in the current environment. Places are getting shut down for that sort of stuff. Recently some street bars shut down supposedly for this reason.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922937]Left and decided to stop by Thermae at 21.30. Would it be too early? My last visit to Thermae meeting a very memorable girl for LT booking was about 15 years ago. I can't remember if I ever took another girl since that time. If so, quite unmemorable. . . Name was Nit.
[/QUOTE]Very nice report Syzygies, thanks. This is the kind of report that I find useful, in that you tell us about the scene at Thermae, compare it to other days, you tell us about the experience with the girl, as well as some background on the girl. That's the kind of info that helps me navigate the scene in BKK. So thanks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922937]Left and decided to stop by Thermae at 21.30. Would it be too early? My last visit to Thermae meeting a very memorable girl for LT booking was about 15 years ago. I can't remember if I ever took another girl since that time. If so, quite unmemorable.......A circuit indicated that the number of stunners was way less than last Saturday at midnight, if there were any at all. Plainly a few girls were showing interest in me, so I need not worry that girls want Japanese only. .[/QUOTE]I was at Thermae throughout the night on Wed, August 10 and Thu, August 11. I found Wed to have more girls to my liking than Thu. I know Syzy and I have completely different taste when it comes to Thai girls. I prefer the post surgery look to make them look Westernized or like a Japanese AV Idol.

If you think about it, 9:30-10:00 pm may not be the time to get the best selection at Thermae. Thermae opens at 8 pm when there would only be 20 girls. By 9:00 pm the girls are there. Many girls are already taken by a Japanese guy before 9:30 pm so may not be back in the club until after 10:30 pm. I find before 9:00 pm watching the girls arrive and between 11:00 pm to midnight are good times.

I went with a girl named LOS with D cups, I'm assuming they were fake but they felt soft. Super nice girl and always smiling even in the club. Also went to a girl who looked like Chloe Grace Moretz to me. Very non-thai looking. Name was Mika or something like that. Another nice girl. Next girl was one who looked like a Japanese AV Idol. English was not great. Forgot name since she was unmemorable. Still worth the 2000 baht ST. Finally went with my regular girl who always makes me wonder why I go with anyone else. I'm just a butterfly.

Throughout the night I always take a stroll up the back stairs and the Ruamchit lobby. You will always find some girls here (not ladyboys like in the front entrance).

Can't wait to get back to Thermae in the next couple of weeks. imo the best place for girls at fair value in BKK and Pattaya and way better than Ipanema in Singapore, regardless of price.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1923046]I was at Thermae throughout the night on Wed, August 10 and Thu, August 11. I found Wed to have more girls to my liking than Thu. I know Syzy and I have completely different taste when it comes to Thai girls. I prefer the post surgery look to make them look Westernized or like a Japanese AV Idol.

If you think about it, 9:30-10:00 pm may not be the time to get the best selection at Thermae. Thermae opens at 8 pm when there would only be 20 girls. By 9:00 pm the girls are there. Many girls are already taken by a Japanese guy before 9:30 pm so may not be back in the club until after 10:30 pm. I find before 9:00 pm watching the girls arrive and between 11:00 pm to midnight are good times.

I went with a girl named LOS with D cups, I'm assuming they were fake but they felt soft. Super nice girl and always smiling even in the club. Also went to a girl who looked like Chloe Grace Moretz to me. Very non-thai looking. Name was Mika or something like that. Another nice girl. Next girl was one who looked like a Japanese AV Idol. English was not great. Forgot name since she was unmemorable. Still worth the 2000 baht ST. Finally went with my regular girl who always makes me wonder why I go with anyone else. I'm just a butterfly.

Throughout the night I always take a stroll up the back stairs and the Ruamchit lobby. You will always find some girls here (not ladyboys like in the front entrance).

Can't wait to get back to Thermae in the next couple of weeks. imo the best place for girls at fair value in BKK and Pattaya and way better than Ipanema in Singapore, regardless of price.[/QUOTE]Name LOS? Is that a weird Thai pronunciation of Rose? However Thai words never end in an S sound so really weird. Perhaps the spelling autocorrector changed what you actually wrote for the name.

I have never heard of Chloe so will have to look that up. No clue what is a Japanese AV Idol either. I did look up Chloe and did not recognise her. Probably never saw any of her movies made as an adult. Not my type of movies I guess. I guess she is not exactly famous outside the USA.

I tend to agree that there is a good chance I was not at Thermae at best time. Midnight Saturday had more stunners for sure. The other girl I liked got taken pretty quickly. At least I learn that Thermae is a possible option for Farangs, not just Asian customers.

I did look in some clubs in Singapore last year and was not that impressed by the standard. I was with a hot Thai girl at the time and perhaps so taken with her that I could not see anything else much.

Come now, surely you will know if tits are real or not once you touch them. I assume you are just being polite. If tits are injected with body fat taken from liposuction, that is borderline. They can be enhanced but do not feel fake necessarily. However this procedure does not last, so girls rarely use it.

I just typed the name as I heard it. I thought it was a weird Thai name as well. Pretty sure it wasn't Rose she spoke English well.

AV Idol is a Japanese porn star.

Agree those Japanese guys pounce on decent girls pretty quickly. One caught my eye when she walked in and she was out the door again in a minute.

Syzy, I'll be in BKK a bit over the next month. If you want to meet up at Thermae, send me a PM.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1923121]

Syzy, I'll be in BKK a bit over the next month. If you want to meet up at Thermae, send me a PM.[/QUOTE]For sure we won't be fighting to get the same girl. LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1923121]AV Idol is a Japanese porn star.
[/QUOTE]Ah. Adult Video I suppose. I always found Japanese porn to be pretty much boring. Not erotic at all for me. Never touch it any more. I tend to like that Nubile pretty girl with stunning slim all natural body stuff, especially like Latin girls, or Tiny 4 K. Not too hard core, certainly no Bukkake. One guy with multiple girls is better. I try not to look at porn unless I get really seriously sex starved. No wanking while in LOS. Must not Fap! LOL Anyway government tries to block the porn sites here, right? It is so criminal to watch porn. Ha Ha.

I have to be careful about girls a bit too youthful. A guy can accidentally get caught out by that sort of thing here when we have no idea about the girl's age. I am sure I have done girls too young accidentally on occasion. One was already a mother, slightly saggy tits, so I did not think she could possibly be too young. I don't usually ask to see the ID. , but I should, especially if the girl's natural tits are a bit too high and firm. On such girl's tits were absolutely "to die for" yet she wore a very conservative top that hid them away, being a shy type, so even her co-workers at the bar did not know how fabulous Noi's tits were. She was so inexperienced that she still had full pussy Bush untrimmed too. Easy Bar street cart bar and others have gone now, shut down by the police. Alas I don't even have the number to contact Noi. So I still can't check how old she was. Of course I did ask her originally how old she was but she could have easily lied about her age. They all do, if necessary. Girls have been known to borrow the ID of someone else, also.

I include this as a warning to newbies. There is big police crack down closing places that have girls under 18. Hence Nataree, etc. However a guy could get caught being with a girl too young and get into serious trouble. Most MPs now insist the girl is at least 20, I think? Not sure on this one. One Hotel did not want to allow me to take a 19 year old to the room as a temporary guest, in the past, but allowed me to check her in. Must have been no rule for checked in guests.

We are not allowed to promote places for young girls on this forum, however I think warning about it is O.K. same as warning about ladyboys.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922977] Places are getting shut down for that sort of stuff. Recently some street bars shut down supposedly for this reason.[/QUOTE]You are right about street bars. I was at Easy Bar in June when police checked girls ID's and they took one [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girl away and another was taken by her mother! Bar is now closed.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1923039]Very nice report Syzygies, thanks. This is the kind of report that I find useful, in that you tell us about the scene at Thermae, compare it to other days, you tell us about the experience with the girl, as well as some background on the girl. That's the kind of info that helps me navigate the scene in BKK. So thanks.[/QUOTE]When I was there last month I was going to Thermae on two consecutive evenings and was really astonished that the girls were totally different both evenings. I would have tought there are many regulars coming every evening (like Beergarden for example) but I think 90% of the girls were different. So yes the girl of your dream may be there the next day.

I will try a threesome upon my next visit to BKK. I know Eden Club is the provider for this but in fact I am not interested in anal. Is it obligatory to take at least one A+ girl at EdenClub? Which other places offer threesomes? Thanks guys!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1923212]I will try a threesome upon my next visit to BKK. I know Eden Club is the provider for this but in fact I am not interested in anal. Is it obligatory to take at least one A+ girl at EdenClub? Which other places offer threesomes? Thanks guys![/QUOTE]I used to get very good 3 somes from Suzi Wong. I would normally choose girls from the lesbian show that were pretty comfortable with each other. I don't know if any of my girls are still consistently there. I hear Knot works sometimes.

My favourites were Bo, Dtom, Noi, Naam, Knot, Ma, Anne (with enhanced Dees), also Yao these days with enhanced tits too. Many of them maybe gone unfortunately. Noi and Naam got a bit fatter. Girls at Eden that I tried were too obviously fake actresses working to a script. The Suzi girls seemed more natural. If skinny Dtom is still there, she would be the expert on which girls are good for threesomes. Dtom claims to be the best pussy licker at the shop and has a tight pussy. She has done hundreds of threesomes. She is certainly "the expert", given that bisexual Bo is gone now.

I generally gave the threesomes away due to favouring the lovely Noo Dee who did not do threesomes and has retired now. Also my stamina to do marathon sessions with two or three girls declined with old age. One girl seems to be enough now.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1923212] Is it obligatory to take at least one A+ girl at EdenClub? [/QUOTE]No.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1923212] Which other places offer threesomes? Thanks guys![/QUOTE]You can look massage shop like Snow White, Tulip, Mango, and others. Or going in some freelancers spot like Beergarden, talk to the girls and explain well what you want.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1918444]Talking about Saphan Kwai, I was just there about 2 weeks ago when in Bangkok for a flight connection.

D ted is the biggest shop, it has around 50-100 girls every night according to papasan. But this shop for me is always frustrating experience, because every time I saw someone of interest, she is always booked or waiting for regulars, seems like occasional visitors like me never get these few nice ones. Also D ted waiters always constantly pressure us foreign customers to buy more food more drinks. So I always ended up spending around 500-1000 for all the snacks, peanuts, fruits, beers, ice buckets, wet towels, exclude lady sitting fees. So it is in fact more pricier at the end compare to Soi Cow.

Rainbow always has a few nice pretty girls, but these few nice girls in this shop are always playing hard to get, some really choose their customers, some don't go out at all, a few years ago I pulled a nice girl from Rainbow for a very expensive LT after 4 tries in a span of about 6 months. I probably won't waste time like that nowadays.

There are a few more shops, there is one called Bai Tong across street from Rainbow, it has no English sign, it had a few nice young ones before, but this trip the level was bad, I eventually got my pay bar from here last trip, 2000 plus 300 room fee plus 800 drinks, food, sitting fee, 300 tip for lap dance touching. So it ain't much cheaper than Soi Cow or Nana, and I felt the level is also getting worse here as a whole.

For u and Chat, also can be fun late hours, most girls are open to some heavy flirting and can also do some lap dance for some tips, but papasan said some night they don't do wild things anymore, because of the political atmosphere, RCA 1 and 2 are closed for renovation on this visit. I still won't make this place as a regular hang out. But would still check it out occasionally.[/QUOTE]Thanks to you and BKK Dog for the info. Mackin and I only went to T Det. Perhaps we need to try some others, you guys mentioned, and I am sure we will shortly.

D Ted is a Typo. Its actually Thee Det or T Det for short (sounds exactly like Tea Debt) which in Thai means the place that is marvellous or splendid. As you can see, I know Thai language quite well enough so conversation with girls having no English is not a problem. My GF does not speak English either. Its difficult for me when she switches to a dialect, though, just to tease me. I will be able to read the signs in Thai as well, so I can find Bai Tong no problem.

I did find T Det a bit frustrating in that could not really get to the best girls like I do in more easily Crazy House. Also place is just too big to be able to see the girls, even though they rotate to different stages. The best girl maybe far away, and be quickly booked by regulars, before a newcomer gets any chance at all. I also prefer to drink only (and not even alcohol LOL), and not eat the rubbishy "Gap Gaem". I suppose nuts to nibble on are O.K. I suppose Mackin and I did order some sort of token food plate. Can't remember exactly what it was.

Overall I am agreeing that T Det was not really memorable at all, and hence I did not go back. In fact I did not take a girl either. Probably as could not get to any of the top 4 or 5 girls for looks to my taste, I probably was not motivated to take second best. I did get a lap dance, but wasn't really my thing, since I am used to naked girls wriggling around on my lap, trying to make me hot for them.

Any advice which days are best and which smaller place has some nice natural models? You guys probably remember I am not a sillies fan nor like obvious nose jobs much. I probably should wait for Mackin to arrive here which is indeed very imminent.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1918360]
About the girls in Sephan Kwai. You will see Thai girls with a mix of Vietnamese, Laos, and Burmese girls. Some will dance on stage while others will just sit and wait to be introduced to a customer. If you are not a regular, you should wait to be introduced by the Moma Son to the girls. They will constantly bring a few to meet you. You can choose to sit with her and if you change your mind, it's easy to ask them for another girl. Mileage varies on your Thai skills and personality. The following pictures will be in the order of my post. *Sorry guys, my photos are too large, I will need to resize them first.[/QUOTE]I gather you are saying that a high standard of politeness is required, and to not act too aggressively in try to get the girl? I suppose my normal behavior, when I see a stunner in Cowboy is to just give her the signal straight off, or if she is not watching, I usually move to where she is to make sure she can't miss me, before some other guy gets there. LOL Sometimes does not work out when girl already has a customer. Perhaps I need to be just a little more laid back in Thai dominated territory? LOL. Waiting for introductions is not quite my usual thing. I will have to politely put up with the introductions to many girls of no interest. Perhaps I can point out to Mamasan which girls I like the look of, so as not to bypass her. In Cowboy or Nana I normally do not require mamasans at all. I sort of regard them as a price negotiating assistant that is quite unnecessary for me, and can be even annoying.

I suppose I give the wrong impression. I normally take a lot of time to choose a girl, unless she is the known target already, or unless she is just so superior, that I know any delay could be curtains. So I can be very slow or very fast. Depends on the girl standard and the amount of competition. After sitting with a girl or two I sometimes change my mind and like someone else. Chemistry is not always there. Even chemistry does not guarantee a good time.

Shin Shin & Bkk Dog, and any others with Saphan Kwai experience.

I did manage to locate Bai Tong Club with the blue sign opposite Rainbow (on Google maps):

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/5QMEAmcSGJA2[/URL]

What order of priority would you rate these clubs (roughly in order from the BTS as you go in) for suitability to Farangs used to Cowboy and Nana, and looking for GFE beautiful models more so than pornstars (LOL):
Rainbow.
Bai Tong (opposite).
T Det.
Harlem Music (opposite).
RCA (T Det side).
The Best.
For U.
RCA 2.

Did I leave out any important ones?

I don't think I will want to try them all in one go.

One day I plan to have a look at the Thai entertainment venues on Udom Suk Sois 56 to 58, since its a lot closer to home, and maybe the Nirand Grand Soapy also on Udom Suk Soi 103. I have passed these areas on a motorcycle plenty of times. Saphan Kwai is a long distance away for me.

Gets a little boring for me, trying lots of new girls though, and always a punt how exciting it will be. Only my Darling girl so far, really worth a repeat. Even then, I don't feel the urgency of it. Don't understand how guys can keep changing girls all the time. I just don't have the desire to fuck every girl. They have to have something special.

Arriving in the rain, after a 14 hour flight exclusion transits wasn't the best of starts. The heat and humidity. Yukh!

But had done some pre-holiday work off Thai friendly and had a few lined up so no 1 slot was already set.

Met in my hotel lobby and true to the pics she had shared. WOW. But just shorter than imagined.

Upper middle class, own car, silicone boobs. That type of chick.

Went up to the hotel bar, had a drink and I just wanted to get hammering but then she wants to have dinner! So there I'm thinking I'm already 500 BH in on drinks and now she wants to eat.

I had had my fill earlier, so out we went and ate and lo and behold, she insisted she wants to pay! OK fine.

Came back to the hotel and the room and got all naughty like we had known each other forever and just met. Showered and started in there and spend the next 2 hours romping all over the room.

Boy was I tired after that! Thankfully she was too, as she had flown in from some business from Phuket. Her bags were in the car! WOW.

Cleaned up a bit, walked her down and out and escorted her to her car parked some 50 m away. Kiss kiss. Bye bye.

What a wonderful GFE and to think it was off Thai friendly! Already rescheduled to meet on Fri night.

So wake up after poor sleep. Jetlag definitely kicked in and all the booze on the way in pounding as a headache! What a start to the day full of meetings.

In the horrendous traffic off to meetings that only saw me get back at 630 pm thanks to more horrendous traffic.

Anyways, had been chatting to another girl off Thai friendly. Turns out this one works at some massage place in Suk33, but all the same a stunner. Not the bag of bones thin type but with some meat on her and big boobs au natural. A generous D-cup.

So she agrees to come over for 3000 BHT for 2 hours. Am tired anyway so why struggle on the hunt I thought. Arranged to meet at 9 and 930 she tells me she at bar. Traffic again!

One look and I wasn't disappointed. Dressed as that casual but sexy girl next door you always wanted to bang!

Off to the room and she prepares the Nuru as I had requested. Wow. What a job she did of it. Great massage. Ending up in some very slippery wild sex. Then to the shower. And we get to the bed and she breaks out oil for a round 2 massage! Just does my hands and feet as they didn't get nuru attention! Never heard that excuse but it was definitely what the body needed and I didn't complain! 2 and a half hours in and I think she's getting ready to go and she says she wants more sex before she goes! Did anyone complain? Not me! Wham. Had another session and showered up again and she lovingly washed the oil off me.

Paid her the 3000 + 500 tip because she truly deserved it. She showed me pics of girls she works with and I've chosen one who she thinks I will enjoy for tomorrow and speaks good English!

So lets see how tomorrow goes. Now I go to sleep on a messy bed that smells nuru gel!

Most new bars in Nana have been bombing out badly. However we find the resurrection of Billboard. I visited about 3 months ago and had to admit a huge improvement with the revamp.

Now I saw the Stickman article claiming it is the best Nana Bar: [URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2015/Billboard-Nana-Plaza.htm[/URL].

Stickman's article includes photos of the girls. Not many were to my taste only one or two would I possibly choose.

Today was the return visit. Its a large dark room so doesn't look very full. However I guess doing moderate business. Just the atmosphere in the darkness is not quite as good as Crazy House, which may have the same number of customers and girls (or maybe less girls) but are packed in a little tighter.

The girls in the suds area were okay But not that pretty in the face so I quickly moved near to rotating stage. Here all the girls are "Coyotes" whether they wear Coyote type tops and short shorts or whether they wear bikinis. They all wore black just a trifle boring. Most girls have pretty good figures, as far as, the outfit allows them to be seen. Very few fatties. However really pretty faces fairly minimal, but most above average. I would generally say the same about Crazy House girls. So the girls in the two bars are quite comparable really, except that many in CH are fully nude.

I managed to spot 2 to 3 very cute faces. One was number 768. The other had no number. Slightly shorter and slightly cuter. Turned out she was a newbie of just two days. Number 8xx I don't remember, since the number was missing. As the stage rotated she stared into space and only caught my glance for a second on one occasion. Some guys say to never choose a girl who does not show that she wants you. I don't agree with this in all circumstances. She did not really look at any customers, but did not look unhappy. My assessment was she was just to shy to play up to the customers, a common thing. No matter to me. I liked her look. White skin, cute little upturned nose, small waist but curving out to the thigh, ass looked okay Even if covered by shorts. Tits too well covered to really assess properly. Big eyes (or so I thought. Big contact lenses LOL).

I had to go hunt for her in the dark when she got off the stage, in order to call her for a drink. She was very friendly no sign of reluctance. So was time to forget her initial lack of attention to customers. Name was Tukataa (meaning doll) and it was appropriate to her very cute looks. Age 20. She did not know much English. So Thai conversation. Chemistry was getting really good, so no thought of releasing her. She stayed with me up till the shows. First was a Cabaret type show typical of Long Gun in former times, and including the blonde spiky haired Long Gun girl, forget the name right now. 2nd show was lesbian but not as good as Suzi Wong Lesbian shows as girls never got the knickers completely off.

By this time Tukataa was giving me very passionate tongue kissing full on in the bar and my jeans were getting very tight. She was not totally without experience having worked one month in Bangkok Bunnies, however she claimed she went "off" with customers fairly sparsely.

Bar fine for Coyotes was just 700 Baht. They are not really Coyotes in any way. They do not dance like Coyotes. Just glorified bargirls. Price was not discussed at all, which is common for me. Girls must asses me as a nice guy unlikely to be stingy. Took her to DI Place ST Hotel. Naked her figure did not look quite as good but still nice enough except tits smaller than expected. Small mummy type tits (just slightly shrunken and very long nipples). She had no stretch marks on belly but I still guessed from the tits she must have had a baby.

On the bed the passionate kissing continued, and as soon as I stopped that she dived down to give me BBBJ which was a very good attempt at deep throat. Very few girls can swallow it all but she came close enough. She enjoyed the DATY a lot, and seemed to be able to orgasm during normal sex as well. The most responsive girl I had for the last week. I changed to some other positions and finished in doggy. No pornstar stuff. Her face was very pretty with only defect being eye teeth displaced forward a little, giving a slight vampire look. No big deal for me. She had longish very silky pussy Bush, so soft it was not a problem, but I guess she has never trimmed.

So face scores an 8, body 6. 5 (tits the weak point), BBBJ 7, GFE kissing 9 and sex scores an 8. 5. I definitely enjoyed the kissing and sex a lot so a must repeat pretty girl. Only one tat and no piercings. Smokes occasionally but not detectable after teeth brushing. She claimed to come from Buriram but did not look like a Buriram girl at all. Perhaps because one of her parents is from Uttaradit in the North. I would say her look is more like from that area, similar to an ex GF from Uttaradit, but cuter nose.

Am I hooked on the bar? Not quite. I still prefer CH where can see what is happening better. I still have a few untried girls at CH I would like to do. However I certainly could miss the fabulous GFE from Tukataa, given she has really pretty face and body quite good, if not perfect. So will return. She was my best session for the week based on looks, attitude, and GFE combination. Acts very eager to please. Previously worked serving/selling food in Central Lat Prao department store complex. I lost no time to get her contact number, unlike others tried this week.

Is Billboard the best bar in Nana? Not too sure, but cannot argue. I have been willing to stay there longer than most Nana bars, but still lacks the excitement factor of party vibe can get from CH. I like Mercury but only for Palm and Noi. If those two girls are not there, then Mercury becomes a complete bore for me. So could well be Billboard has best overall standard of girls, given my dislike for fake stuff.

So I think if you visit any Nana bars at all, Billboard on top floor left is worth a visit. I am not going to rave about it though. A little too dark for me. Has one suspect mamasan, fat one (ex Crazy House - ex Mercury) that cannot be trusted, make sure you have correct money for the BF. Billboard shits on Bangkok Bunnies for girl quality of looks in my opinion (unless you are a big fan of sillies). Of course still some fake noses and tits at Billboard, but natural girls also.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1923843]So face scores an 8, body 6. 5 (tits the weak point), BBBJ 7, GFE kissing 9 and sex scores an 8. 5. I definitely enjoyed the kissing and sex a lot so a must repeat pretty girl. Only one tat and no piercings. Smokes occasionally but not detectable after teeth brushing. She claimed to come from Buriram but did not look like a Buriram girl at all. Perhaps because one of her parents is from Uttaradit in the North. I would say her look is more like from that area, similar to an ex GF from Uttaradit, but cuter nose.
[/QUOTE]Just occurred to me that Tukataa looked like Selena Gomez a little, but with smaller nose and definitely smaller tits. So that is the type of look that appealed to me.

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[url=http://trendhaircolor.com/uploads/posts/2016-04/1461904665_selena-gomez-hair-color-2016-6.jpg]Selena[/url] [url=http://www.hdwallpapers.in/wallpapers/selena_gomez_109-1600x900.jpg]Last one[/url]

Stickman suggests Billboard has girls that appeal to Farangs more than Japanese. No idea why that is. Perhaps the relatively plain hairstyles not at all like Bacarra. Certainly less girls with silicones than Bacarra or Bangkok Bunnies. Less nose jobs but still plentiful. There were several Asian customers attending. Called into CH later for a direct comparison between the girls. Hard to say the girls are very different from Billboard to Crazy House other than naked. Certainly CH has more Asian customers than Farangs, and yet it is very different from Baccara. CH was not absolutely full but was midnight at the time. Still busy enough. Strangely the blonde short haired dancer with big floppy felt hat, that performed in the Billboard Cabaret threesome show was now at CH as a customer with a very young handsome Asian guy. Since I have known her for probably 13 years from Long Gun, I guess she at least 30 still looking hot.

Kratae showed up at CH too, the slim very tight body girl with tan skin and short hair who looks like Rihanna. Have not seen her for a while. Got Oom 91 a little drunk so managed to get her top off to show the nice tits. Kratae and Oom would both be almost founding girls at Crazy House, 3 years ago. I think Crazy opened approx. June or July 2013.

Just a heads up guys. Harlim and The Best go go's were shut down here last night. These were the two most foreigner friendly bars. They were shut down for the girls dancing naked, having foreign sex workers, and 2 foreign workers were caught working that were not age appropriate.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1924408]Just a heads up guys. Harlim and The Best go go's were shut down here last night. These were the two most foreigner friendly bars. They were shut down for the girls dancing naked, having foreign sex workers, and 2 foreign workers were caught working that were not age appropriate.[/QUOTE]Oh shit. I got there a bit too slow, in that I did not go yet. Naked dancing. Just what I wanted.

I thought I would spell differently again, just for variety, this time to show long vowel sounds.

Ages ago I took a girl from a place called something like Chat in Saphan Kwai. Price was something like 1800 baht all-in including the hotel room. She was nice looking but service was just standard. I found the constant pestering to buy food and then helping themselves to all the change for a 200+ baht 'tip' really off-putting so never went back. At the time the best bar was supposed to be Rainbow but the male waiters all seemed scared of me, even when I spoke Thai. I've never been back to the area since.

Please clear out you inbasket Thanks. .

So after a long day working serious stuff, I was a victim of the Thai traffic!

Over 2 hours for a 10 km ride is obscene! The 45 min we were hardly moving, so bailed out of the chauffeur van and walked 3 km to the hotel to reach at 730 pm.

Tired, heat sweat, long day, wasn't in the mood to go out hunting so option were shortlisted escort or a massage club I saw on the walk in. JC.

Decided to check out JC. OK line up, 2500 for the V class and 2300 for the S class and 1900 for the L ones. 90 min massage and sex with what you can see vs 5000-6000 for an escort I'm sure wasn't going to be as per her pictures! Opted to stay.

Picked a very naughty decent boobs one. V class "speak English". As we go to the room, she spoke almost nil English. But she was oh so cute. Either way 2500 would have been OK for a shag. Or if bad at that. For the massage I figured.

In the room and we naked. Wow. What a body. Claims she's only 19, you might not be wrong.

A tad nervous, but hell naughty. Kept fiddling with me body. Some foreplay, and OKish massage and then pomped the daylights out of her! Credit where due, she took it! Been with girls who just say no no no and stop. Showered, or better put, she washed me thoroughly and I left after over an hour.

All in, definitely worth the 2500 for OK massage and good sex. There's another nice boobed young gun then I won't mind trying!

[QUOTE=DCups;1924480]Uncle V where are you?

Please clear out you inbasket Thanks. .[/QUOTE]He's too busy juggling all his girls!

A periodic reminder about the Cayote Girl scam on Soi Cowboy. These are the girls in hot pants. They are the hottest looking and bars hire their services to lure you in. Most will let you bar fine them but many won't do anything with you after that. The bar fine is easily double that of the regular go go dancers. The bars need to get rid of them as it has spoiled the atmosphere. Don't sit with don't buy them drinks. You will waste your time and cash.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1923216]I generally gave the threesomes away due to favouring the lovely Noo Dee who did not do threesomes and has retired now. Also my stamina to do marathon sessions with two or three girls declined with old age. One girl seems to be enough now.[/QUOTE]Noo Dee was definitely one of my favorites. Political climate resulted in many SC bars banning Lao and Khmer girls like Noo Dee. Li (pron Lie) an ex-Suzy Wonger was also great. I hear she is working in Nana now.

Those Saphan Kwai bars being raided has hit the national press.

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Owners-of-entertainment-venues-face-host-of-charge-30293348.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=*****man;1924717]Those Saphan Kwai bars being raided has hit the national press.

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Owners-of-entertainment-venues-face-host-of-charge-30293348.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Anyone would think this is a bible bashing country like the USA. Charged with pornographic displays and prostitution.

I love the naked body. Its beautiful. It is not pornographic. LOL. Prostitution is a needed profession that will ever go away. Why foreign girls can't work here is more a political thing. Assumed to be part of trafficking, but not necessarily. Its mostly about Thailand having the right international image, I guess. I guess there has to be some age limit set. That one we are not permitted to debate here (due to USA influence on the forum I guess).

If the shops are not using pimps, "managing" the girls or controlling their lives and taking most of the money, then I have no issues with these shops at all. If girls are free to leave if they don't like it any more, I don't see the problems. Of course I don't know the situations in detail, never having talked to the girls there. Its girls compelled to work as a prostitute and lacking the freedom to make their own choice that is the real problem. Of course, all of us are compelled to work, to get money to live, and naturally everyone takes the employment that provides the most money for the least work, assuming its not completely illegal or intolerable.

In the current environment, all shops are very unwise to have girls with no ID card proving they are Thai and a suitable age. I guess hill tribe type girls without proper Thai status are discriminated against same as girls less than 18.

So many women's livelihoods are based on being able to sell sex to support their families. I think the government should be cracking down on pimps controlling women, and the establishments that support the pimp middlemen. Girls with a single Thai boy leaching off them, is a problem that probably cannot be dealt with, but I would like to see the Thai boys kept well clear of the bar areas. I hate seeing them hanging around waiting for their girls.

The illegality of selling sex and foreign workers, is a cause of problems rather than solving them.

[QUOTE=*****man;1924717]Those Saphan Kwai bars being raided has hit the national press.

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Owners-of-entertainment-venues-face-host-of-charge-30293348.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The Nation is a local Thai media outlet.

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;1924666]A periodic reminder about the Cayote Girl scam on Soi Cowboy. These are the girls in hot pants. They are the hottest looking and bars hire their services to lure you in. Most will let you bar fine them but many won't do anything with you after that. The bar fine is easily double that of the regular go go dancers. The bars need to get rid of them as it has spoiled the atmosphere. Don't sit with don't buy them drinks. You will waste your time and cash.[/QUOTE]How is this a scam?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1924811]How is this a scam?[/QUOTE]A scam in the sense that, while you and I know Coyote Girls are more eye candy than anything else, visitors to Bangkok would not easily be aware that they are doing a different job from the other go go dancers that they are dancing next to on the stage. I know of at least two guy who didn't know the distinction, paid the double-bar fine, expensive drinks, etc. , get 'their' girls out of the bar only to be told they won't perform sexually with the guys. One of them made it all the way to his room before he found out. A few months ago on a weekend night, one of the bars opposite Tilac Bar had only two Go Go dancers working and the rest of the place was filled with Coyote.

If you know your way around, and yes I do, then you can still pull out some regular hotties. But the Coyotes have really messed up Soi Cowboy IMO.

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;1924666]A periodic reminder about the Cayote Girl scam on Soi Cowboy. These are the girls in hot pants. They are the hottest looking and bars hire their services to lure you in. Most will let you bar fine them but many won't do anything with you after that. The bar fine is easily double that of the regular go go dancers. The bars need to get rid of them as it has spoiled the atmosphere. Don't sit with don't buy them drinks. You will waste your time and cash.[/QUOTE]Today I passed Soi Cowboy before going home at 11 pm I looked at all the Coyote girls. Only one or two outside Rio were exceptionally pretty. Many shops had ordinary looking girls. One girl sitting outside Bacarra grabbed my attention. Very pretty with black hair. I could not help but say she was not at all typical for Bacarra. Nose looked real and hair was just long straight black, no fancy stuff. She looked damn good, but I had already taken a girl earlier. Not a Coyote girl. She outshone the Coyotes on Cowboy in evidence at the time.

Coyote girls wearing hot pants makes no difference to me. Its about the quality of the face and figure.

My favorite Coyote for looks, has left Mercury bar and now works in a nearby restaurant I am told. So I will have to start eating there. LOL.

I had a quick look in Crazy House but the line up pretty weak. Just like previous Saturday was very weak. Other days seem better to me. I was told one factor was all the young foreign girls (non Thai) were absent due to a known police visit today. Girls were nude now so I presume the police visit had occurred earlier. I am told there are no longer any girls too young working, since that is just too risky in the modern climate, even if normally police visits are known beforehand.

Today did not want to spend big, a bit thrifty, so I started out passing various Oily shops and looking at girls out front or through the window. Passed through Soi 24/1 first, nothing appealed. Even Can Cam girls were horrible, a place I used to frequent. Next went to Soi 24. Girls in front of Addict and Orient were all ugly tonight where I have seen pretty on occasions. Mango has a nice looking girl outside, tall and slim, face a little angular but good enough. So I was interested only to find out Aom was just there to look at Mango and had not decided to start work there. My regular Fern was not there. Aem was there but did not want to risk another hickey.

Had a look in Soi 33. None of the girls outside places were anything special. Dream Heaven line up was very weak. Where were the pretty ones on their web site. Did not look in Mitu. Did not like the web pics of girls. Plenty of Japanese massage or Karaoke places had ugly girls out front.

Went to check Ann at Loly-tas. Seems she doesn't work there any more. June is not at Bongkot any more. Next thought about Checking Annies, and failing anything there, some bars, however passing the Nana car park at about 9 PM I was quite surprised. I spotted 4 pretty girls in a short time, and then had the problem which one did I like. Gee was sitting, so although very white skin and pretty face, I could not see if her figure was good. A short blonde looked pretty cute, although slightly flat nose and chin sticking out just slightly but body looked good (clothed). Next looked at two tall girls Jum and Nim (friends). Both quite pretty. Nim was approx. 170 cm and quite curvy but still slimmish type. Big tits looked natural. I had to check her carefully to be sure not a ladyboy at that height. Once I heard Jum and Nim talking, was convinced, okay She is a girl and has natural expansive (wide) big tits, C cup I guess, no silicone. More than one girl was giving me a wink and a nod, but I selected Nim, and we went to DI Place S. T. Hotel in sub soi with Jools on the corner.

Price was not discussed. Nim is an amateur, not being there that often. Needs money since her husband got killed in a car accident. Maid salary is not quite cutting it. She wore Loose jeans shorts over her dress. Slightly strange attire. Her figure looked better once she took the clothes off. She told me her age was 35, where I would have guessed 25. Well preserved. Black hair with two braided pony tails. Apparently has two kids but no sign of belly or ass stretch marks, and her tits were full not saggy. So a mummy with a decidedly non-mummy looking body. Slimmish curvy but not skinny at all. Nice ass no sag.

Turns out her tits are still lactating, and I got to have a taste. Sweeter than normal milk. Lovely big soft tits with some milk. Baby is 7 months she said.

Service? Well I did not require service other than kissing and a BBBJ. The BBBJ was very soft and slow as per my specification. She had a very soft hand touch on my balls too. No the. T. But very enjoyable. She is not used to giving BBBJ so I had pity on her jaw and did not make her go too long with it. She said her last sex was at least 2 weeks ago, maybe more, she had had some customers that wanted a Thai massage only (no idea why LOL). As a consequence she orgasmed very quickly from DATY and got a 2nd pop during sex in spoon position. I got my pop in doggy. Despite the babies, pussy was tight enough. Stitched up by the doctor I guess. Pussy not bald but well short trimmed. Pretty pussy for me.

She was quite talkative in Thai and very honest, no bullshit type of girl. I liked her a lot. Not full on kissing like my Billboard girl, timid but nice enough tongue kissing allowed.

I score her 8 points for the body, 7 for the face, 8 for attitude and "go with the flow" and 7 for GFE. For service just 6 points, as a bit on passive side. Nothing too special but good BBBJ. I probably gave her good service more-so. LOL.

This was a cheap alternative to bargirls and very satisfying. No barfine or drinks to pay and cheaper as well. 300 Baht for the S. T. Room. Certainly would take her again no problem. Collected her contact number. She had to keep working diligently as needs money (that is why she is there) despite having a baby to raise, so she has to go home early she said, e. G. Midnight. I can help by fucking her again soon.

Maybe I could take her friend Jum as well next time who was also good looking.

What a surprise to find ugly girls everywhere at Oilies and front of shops and then to find some much better lookers on the street in Soi 4 Nana Carpark area. I have said previously that the standard of freelancers in this area has been improving and I would say is better than many years earlier when I had checked out this location. Perhaps due to economic times being tough. I asked Nim at the end what was the going rate for freelancers on Soi 4 for a S.T. She said 1500 for S.T. Others here can say if that is correct or not, or if they can negotiate less, but I thought she was an honest girl but inexperienced girl. She has only had a Farang customer about 4 times total and one young Japanese student who chose her for the very long legs. Nim was probably the tallest non-ladyboy in the area, in fact I doubt if the ladyboys, mostly on opposite side of the road, were any taller.

Nim mentioned she gets teased a lot, especially by very young Farangs, who think she is a ladyboy, and love to lift her dress (hence she wore shorts over the top of the dress). I guess I had enough experience to see she was not. Its not the first time I have taken very tall girls in Thailand.

So I never made it to Annies. Any one of a few freelancers could have got me today. After time with Nim, I had a quick look for my favourite Coyote who was not there, and then went to the Charoen Pharmacy to see about medications. Was about 10.30PM, but they were still open.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1924810]The Nation is a local Thai media outlet.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you claiming it is not a Thai national newspaper, e.g. , that its distribution is restricted to only one area of Thailand, e.g. , Bangkok? It's banner--"Thailand's Independent Newspaper"--seems to indicate otherwise.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1925026]I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you claiming it is not a Thai national newspaper, e.g. , that its distribution is restricted to only one area of Thailand, e.g. , Bangkok? It's banner--"Thailand's Independent Newspaper"--seems to indicate otherwise.[/QUOTE]Maybe you try to read too much into a simple word.

I think "local", just means its Thai owned and other counties are not involved. Headquarters would obviously be Bangkok somewhere.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1925031]Maybe you try to read too much into a simple word.

I think "local", just means its Thai owned and other counties are not involved. Headquarters would obviously be Bangkok somewhere.[/QUOTE]Nope The Dogguy's post was trying to correct W*man's statement, "Those Saphan Kwai bars being raided has hit the national press," by stating "The Nation is a local Thai media outlet. " That response was nonsensical, particularly coming from someone who habitually complains about other member's posts being a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1924810]The Nation is a local Thai media outlet.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. "The Nathion" is a national newspaper and can be and is purchased internationally.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1925048]Nope The Dog guy's post was trying to correct W*man's statement, "Those Saphan Kwai bars being raided has hit the national press," by stating "The Nation is a local Thai media outlet. " That response was nonsensical, particularly coming from someone who habitually complains about other member's posts being a waste of time.[/QUOTE]Well its always dangerous to try to read the mind of the guy posting, beyond what is stated. I read his post and thought nothing at all, like I had no clue as to his purpose for posting rather than thinking "nonsensical". I never post anything so short myself. Did not occur to me he was arguing with *****man, at the time. I mean no one would think that the newspaper and its TV station confine themselves to Bangkok. So nothing wrong with "national press". I don't watch the news avidly, so don't know their biases if any.

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;1924824]
If you know your way around, and yes I do, then you can still pull out some regular hotties. But the Coyotes have really messed up Soi Cowboy IMO.[/QUOTE]Not just Cowboy. Nana is starting to have several bars with "Coyotes" as well. I guess its just an attempt to have more "class" and more beauties. Some fuck, some do not, and some officially do not but may if they like the customer. My favorite Coyote Palm was in the doubtful category, stunning looks. Officially no sex. Guys would BF her to take her dancing to RCA, or out to dinner. They would wait to a late hour when the barfine reduced. I did not want to pay the BF for nothing, so never got a chance to find out if she might fuck in some circumstances. I just bought her a few drinks and chatted. Maybe to be followed up again. She has moved to a restaurant for work, so probably has one or more sugar daddies now, requiring her not to work in the bar.

Billboard is full of "Coyotes" that are no different to normal bargirls except maybe for the outfit. In each case it is wise to check if the girl is up for sex or not, but they seem to be available for sex in billboard for BF of 700. In Cowboy best not to use the "Arab's" (Iranian's) bars where girls are not available for sex (officially). I recently read that he bought Rawhide to add to his chain of Rio, Sahara, Kiss, Deja Vu, Midnight, did I leave any out? Fortunately still a few bars left, and some variety of style. Cowboy 2 has Coyote's available for sex, but I did not find any of them to be worth the steeper barfine at the time. Overpricing themselves too I think. Mostly just ordinary girls. Some of the non Coyotes can be much more stunning than the Coyotes. Dollhouse had a about 3 or 4 Coyotes available for sex, and I took one of them twice. She was good the first time, and reticent the 2nd time (pussy too small and scared of dick and long duration). They were better looking girls and only distinction was they did not dance nude, instead in Coyote outfit, and sometimes dance at front of the shop.

I don't know how old the non-sex Coyotes have to be. Never checked that.

Girls at Billboard have a salary of 500 Baht per night. With so many girls to pay, and too many waiting staff, not sure how the bar can be profitable. I guess they hope a significant number of girls will get barfined in addition to the money from drinks sales.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1924810]The Nation is a local Thai media outlet.[/QUOTE]My point was that the making of this story in the Nation is no big deal since the news outlet is in Thailand. Nothing more and nothing less. No correction of the original OP's post. Wow!

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1925048]Nope The Dogguy's post was trying to correct W*man's statement, "Those Saphan Kwai bars being raided has hit the national press," by stating "The Nation is a local Thai media outlet. " That response was nonsensical, particularly coming from someone who habitually complains about other member's posts being a waste of time.[/QUOTE]Who are you to explain what my posts mean? I had no idea you followed my content so closely that you can now interpret the meaning of all my posts. That's a little creepy! LOL.

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;1924824]A scam in the sense that, while you and I know Coyote Girls are more eye candy than anything else, visitors to Bangkok would not easily be aware that they are doing a different job from the other go go dancers that they are dancing next to on the stage. I know of at least two guy who didn't know the distinction, paid the double-bar fine, expensive drinks, etc. , get 'their' girls out of the bar only to be told they won't perform sexually with the guys. One of them made it all the way to his room before he found out. A few months ago on a weekend night, one of the bars opposite Tilac Bar had only two Go Go dancers working and the rest of the place was filled with Coyote.

If you know your way around, and yes I do, then you can still pull out some regular hotties. But the Coyotes have really messed up Soi Cowboy IMO.[/QUOTE]That's just complete stupidity on the part of the two guys you know. Whether you are in Thailand or elsewhere in the world, you should negotiate the services before you pay. What's odd about the situation you described is that these 2 guys never inquired about the price of ST / LT, the girls never mentioned it either, and your descriptions insinuates that these 2 guys were expecting the bar fine to also cover the cost of the sex act in itself.

I'm sorry but I'm going to call you out on your post by saying you are just complaining about the coyote girls in the bars and just made these stories up to support your complaint. Complete and utter BS I'm sorry to say. No offence intended but there are other ways to express your discontent with the coyote bar scene than to make up stories.

The more realistic version would probably go something like this. Said customer enters a bar and spots a beautiful coyote girl. After spending hours sitting, flirting, and buying many lady drinks, he inquiries about the bar fine and ST / LT rates. Said lady quotes a 2 or 3 K bar fine and a 6 k ST rate or says she does not go out with customers. Said customer then leaves the bar angrily thinking he was scammed.

And the morrow of the story is: when you assume.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1925168]Who are you to explain what my posts mean? I had no idea you followed my content so closely that you can now interpret the meaning of all my posts. That's a little creepy! LOL.[/QUOTE]My ex wife could read my mind. She always knew exactly what I was thinking, in a bad way, always looking for the worst possible. Problem was I was not thinking what she supposed at all. I had nicer thoughts. She was always looking for a negative aspect of everything. Yet she was absolutely certain she was right and would get angry. I would not understand what she was angry about. Naturally we got divorced in the end, as could not have a conversation for any length of time, before she misunderstood something badly in the wrong way, and yet we were both native English speakers.

I thought there must be something wrong with me, until I got a new girlfriend, not a native English speaker. When the same misunderstandings did not occur often, despite struggles with another language, I realised, no it was not exactly my problem, but my wife's. Only the speaker knows the real meaning of the phrase, intended.

Today I still have problems when using Thai unskilfully that GF will misunderstand taking what I say too literally, or extrapolating too much, rather than checking my intended meaning. She should know my character and that I am not thinking something too nasty, even if I say slightly the wrong thing, due to language skills not matching my exact thought. Fortunately it is not too often, like was with the ex wife.

If the meaning of a post is not Crystal clear or does not make good logical sense, we can always ask the writer what he really intended to mean. Plenty of times I got an angry response from someone thinking I was criticising them heavily, when I did not intend that. A reply to a post, is not always a disagreement or argument. It is just a comment perhaps adding something extra. Sometimes we ask questions. These should be considered as just simple questions seeking more information, rather than being assumed to be argumentative.

Its also O.K. if different writers have different opinions too. Some writers don't see the point in paying good money to fuck beautiful girls with limited skills. Yet I like doing exactly that. I don't see the point in fucking ugly girls no matter how skilful they are, even if they are freebies. I might be just strange but it just does not excite me enough. A doer more than a receiver. Dream girls for me. I rarely just lie there or just sit there and get serviced. I really try to get girls to enjoy if possible. Some clearly don't (and I label them dick scared - LOL). So very professional types are also not for me, if they cannot deviate from the normal session procedures.

There are posters to develop a track record of always posting something negative. However BKK Dog is not one of those. I do recall the odd Grumpy post. LOL but did not understand his reasons.

Habitual shit dumpers do exist like Luvpuss comes to mind. Don't know if ever posted anything useful at all. Then there was Francisass who had to have a negative "put down" response to every guy posting a positive experience on the Annies thread, which I labelled "the Vendetta". Did he ever post a positive review of anything?

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;1924824]A scam in the sense that, while you and I know Coyote Girls are more eye candy than anything else, visitors to Bangkok would not easily be aware that they are doing a different job from the other go go dancers that they are dancing next to on the stage.[/QUOTE]Very good point to make RonnieMonger. Not every newbie is aware of this bait-and-lure tactic. And you won't find any of these girls wearing tags or signage that indicate their limitations. And the bars don't post any self help book "don't make assumptions about our employees" signs. Point of this site is to help each other, so you don't really need to explain and defend everything to an over-opinionated member. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1925175]Whether you are in Thailand or elsewhere in the world, you should negotiate the services before you pay. What's odd about the situation you described is that these 2 guys never inquired about the price of ST / LT, the girls never mentioned it either, and your descriptions insinuates that these 2 guys were expecting the bar fine to also cover the cost of the sex act in itself.
[/QUOTE]I must be weird in that I often do not inquire about services or negotiate a price before going with a girl as with my freelancer last night. However if I say we are going for "Chua Khrao" (short time) it is at least very clear that my purpose is for sex. With a fee not negotiated, the girl knows that she will have to give me a good time to get paid a significant amount. If a girl quotes money amount, I will probably want to know more about what that includes: how much time for sex at least, and does she kiss if I did not get any kissing as yet. I probably should have asked if my last Thermae girl would kiss. I did not realise her microbe phobia. On the other hand the price never was discussed either.

I certainly don't assume automatically that a Coyote girl will fuck. It is generally known that the "Arab's" bar girls probably do not fuck officially.

If a girl does not fuck, and I ask to barfine her, I never experienced any girl not warning me that she does not want to go for sex, that I can remember. So never been "scammed" in this way as such. I can recall cases where girl suddenly did not want to fuck any more once the hard on was seen though (and she was naked as well). Then the legs would seize up and make fucking almost impossible.

Some guys would say they were scammed to have bought all these drinks for a girl and then find out she does not fuck, or not today due to pain or her period, however buying drinks is not considered a guarantee that you can barfine the girl. The girl could even be waiting for her regular customer to arrive. Most girls would warn me if that was the case, but not guaranteed since she needs to seel drinks to meet her monthly quotas. Most Coyote girls are expected (by the boss) to sell a lot of drinks just for the pleasure of their company, in order to justify the girl's monthly salary. LOL Those that think this is a scam, need to stay away from the real Coyote girls. It is known that they are not sex providers (in general).

I don't stay away completely, but only entertain a very small number of selected superior girls. No interest in average girls. I have only entered the Arab's bars for very short times. I lost interest when the best girls were not coming to me, otherwise occupied. Any old average girl is not good enough for me. Why waste the money?

I try to write a lot about Coyotes, the real Coyotes and the "fake" ones, so others know what to expect, and don't get surprises. When I first came to Thailand, there was no forum to learn from. I did have an experienced buddy to tell me a few things, but he was incredibly stingy type, so always going for the lowest class cheapest, and did not like the same types of girls as me. His girls were all fat, for my taste. He liked big soft cuddly girls with big tits. There was only one girl ever we both liked, obviously not too skinny and big tits.

So its Friday, business finished with some half fancy dinner for all.

Its Friday, so everything seemed to be buzzing, including that horrendous traffic.

Took a tuktuk taxi (novelty factor) and sat thru heat and pollution to Soi cowboy! Finally here.

In all honesty, I felt like a fish with all hooks around me LOL.

Thought ID go check out Nana plaza, and this time took a motorbike taxi. I didn't die on the way!

Get there and I get the same vibe. After being scared by some lady boys, I decide to go check the area out.

There's a bar there as you get out to the right, noisy but good music. Saw this cutie smiling hard at me as I got in. Must be 20-25, fair, slim but seemingly nice boobs. I Reciprocated.

Got a drink and chilled at the edge looking at the street and she's smiling at me again. So I leave and tell her I'm hungry and going to eat. Want to join?

Lo and behold! She said yes. Overall English was OK and now I got her and I said I don't eat street food. Lets go in taxi near my hotel. This was the "is she interested" trick question. She says yes again.

As I flag a cab, I'm wondering what I'm getting into! Anyway get near there and there's a McD so got some munchies (yes yes, I ate McD in Thailand! And paid for hers too.

As I'm now thinking how to bring up the sex, there's this fake bag seller. I buy for you? Yes. A 1500 knock off of something I seemed to snare her. Now we go hotel? Yes she said.

Wow. Didn't think ID score like this. Its about 2 am when we walked in. And showered and had good sex twice before sleeping. Got woken up at 7 being told I go now. And all I could do was pretend I cared and gave her a goodbye and 200 for taxi. A night of great sex for a 1500 baht bag, McD and a 200 taxi fare? I love BKK.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1925175]That's just complete stupidity on the part of the two guys you know. Whether you are in Thailand or elsewhere in the world, you should negotiate the services before you pay. .[/QUOTE]My 2 cents worth.

1. If I sit with a girl and she rubs my leg and touches my cock for 15 minutes and that costs me a drink then I don't consider that a waste of money. I actually think that's good value. It would be annoying if I bought a drink and all I got was chit chat, but that would be a 1-drink mistake because I wouldn't buy her a second.

2. I've left with girls without me or them asking a price. In these instances the girls have probably been able to judge that the punter is a decent guy who is going to look after her. One recent girl just said after 30 minutes of touching me something like: "you can afford to compensate me can't you". I pulled out a wad of $100 notes for her to see, her smile widened and I quickly put them back into another pocket in my shorts that is hard to find and she didn't notice. In the morning I rolled up a bunch of notes in my hand and handed it to her. She didn't open it in front of me and she was obviously happy because we chatted on an app for the next few weeks. While she was travelling with some lucky rich dude. But then she said she fucked a DJ for free, I got annoyed and I deleted her.

I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.

Can someone help with meaning or Coyote type girls being referred too?

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1925378]I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.[/QUOTE]Just take a Taxi. Pay the driver the toll and his meter. Always make them use the meter.

RL.

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1925378]I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.[/QUOTE]Walk outside the airport, jump on an orange bus which will take you to the first bts stop (mo chit). Take the bts down to your hotel.

[URL]http://www.thaizer.com/travel-in-thailand/airport-bus-service-to-and-from-bangkok-don-muang/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thelongestwayhome.com/travel-guides/thailand/maps/Bangkok-MRT-BTS-map.png[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1925378]I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.[/QUOTE]Taxi Will be below 400. Most likely 350 all in.

Low Sukhumvit, I mean.

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1925378]I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.[/QUOTE]If you have an arrival boarding card at DMK or departure boarding card for BKK, you are entitled to the free shuttle bus from DMK to BKK. I do not know where it departs from at DMK.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1925225]Very good point to make RonnieMonger. Not every newbie is aware of this bait-and-lure tactic. And you won't find any of these girls wearing tags or signage that indicate their limitations. And the bars don't post any self help book "don't make assumptions about our employees" signs. Point of this site is to help each other, so you don't really need to explain and defend everything to an over-opinionated member. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]On ISG we have a couple of strange groups. The first group, the price police. This group will always criticize other posters about what they pay claiming there are ruining the market. The next, the scam police. This group claims that any encounter not going the way they hoped as a scam. They never communicate with the lady and assume everything. Everything is a scam to them and they are paranoid on a daily basis. This group should never visit SEA and should stay locked up in their safe little home country. Just sayin!

Just an impression update on the Japanese / Asian Only issue with most of the FLs (or most of the better looking ones) in Thermae.

As I have reported here I have had some very rewarding STs with 5 or so quite attractive FLs there in the past several months. Well, this past Saturday night around 9:30 pm a just arrived usa buddy of mine and I happened to be walking past Thermae and he said let's check out the place as he hadn't bothered to go in there for years.

Place was packed with FLs, the majority of them being young, early to mid 20s and above average in attractiveness vs the rest of the Bangkok P4 P scene, several well into the damned hot range. My buddy and I didn't buy ourselves a drink, we just cruised past the crowded line up on both sides of the bar, him trailing behind me a couple of steps. I have to say we were both met with huge smiles, reaching out gestures, nodding heads and the usual overt signs from virtually ALL of the girls we passed, the exceptions being rare enough to be counted in single digits and they were not even the better looking ones.

No, we didn't chat up any of the very, very eager interested parties because we were committed to heading elsewhere. But it sure seemed to me it would have been easy as rolling off a log to get any one of the better looking girls in Thermae on that particular night to agree to ST for the standard going rate of 2,000-2,500 baht. Now, whether or not that rate would buy me the level of service I require in general, I can't say because in this case I didn't stop to chat and ask any of them. But recent experience strongly suggests I would.

The basic profile for me and my buddy last Saturday night: I am a 63 year old Caucasian, weight proporttional to my height. My buddy is a 67 year old African American, a bit heavy for his height with a fairly prominent belly. Both of us were wearing long pants, he in slacks, me in jeans, real shoes not sandals, polo type shirts with collars and big, pleasant, inviting and sincere smiles for all the ladies.

Is it true that girls have to pay a fee to go in the Thermae? I heard this rumour. How much? For each re-entry? I assume this would make them charge a little more for the customer than Nana Carpark girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1925617]Is it true that girls have to pay a fee to go in the Thermae? I heard this rumour. How much? For each re-entry? I assume this would make them charge a little more for the customer than Nana Carpark girls.[/QUOTE]I haven't heard that. At least, the last girl I took from there who spoke English well enough did not say anything about it even though we chatted a bit about the time and cost of travel to and from Thermae for her based on where she lived. So it seems she might have mentioned it then. But that was a couple of months ago so it is possible to have happened since.

It was more packed with girls last Saturday night than I have seen it around the 9:30 pm timeframe for a long time.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1925619]I haven't heard that. At least, the last girl I took from there who spoke English well enough did not say anything about it even though we chatted a bit about the time and cost of travel to and from Thermae for her based on where she lived. So it seems she might have mentioned it then. But that was a couple of months ago so it is possible to have happened since.

It was more packed with girls last Saturday night than I have seen it around the 9:30 pm timeframe for a long time.[/QUOTE]I guess the girls aren't going to buy a lot of drinks. I recall there is a fee to use the toilet.

I agree with your assessment of early Saturday night, and that girls seemed Farang willing. I am 60 but look 50 to Thais. Not handsome but not the worst looking.

I have detected a general improvement in the freelancer scene, based on limited sampling, in terms of more good looking girls. I wonder if has anything to do with Government and Police crackdowns, or state of the economy. I wonder if would even find better lookers in the beer gardens. I really used to struggle to find anything on former visits to Biergarten. Could have been there at the wrong time or better girls were occupied with guys already.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1925609]Just an impression update on the Japanese / Asian Only issue with most of the FLs (or most of the better looking ones) in Thermae.

As I have reported here I have had some very rewarding STs with 5 or so quite attractive FLs there in the past several months. Well, this past Saturday night around 9:30 pm a just arrived usa buddy of mine and I happened to be walking past Thermae and he said let's check out the place as he hadn't bothered to go in there for years.

Place was packed with FLs, the majority of them being young, early to mid 20s and above average in attractiveness vs the rest of the Bangkok P4 P scene, several well into the damned hot range. My buddy and I didn't buy ourselves a drink, we just cruised past the crowded line up on both sides of the bar, him trailing behind me a couple of steps. I have to say we were both met with huge smiles, reaching out gestures, nodding heads and the usual overt signs from virtually ALL of the girls we passed, the exceptions being rare enough to be counted in single digits and they were not even the better looking ones.

No, we didn't chat up any of the very, very eager interested parties because we were committed to heading elsewhere. But it sure seemed to me it would have been easy as rolling off a log to get any one of the better looking girls in Thermae on that particular night to agree to ST for the standard going rate of 2,000-2,500 baht. Now, whether or not that rate would buy me the level of service I require in general, I can't say because in this case I didn't stop to chat and ask any of them. But recent experience strongly suggests I would.

The basic profile for me and my buddy last Saturday night: I am a 63 year old Caucasian, weight proporttional to my height. My buddy is a 67 year old African American, a bit heavy for his height with a fairly prominent belly. Both of us were wearing long pants, he in slacks, me in jeans, real shoes not sandals, polo type shirts with collars and big, pleasant, inviting and sincere smiles for all the ladies.[/QUOTE]I think the Dog must pay a visit to Thermae, it's been too long!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1925609] Both of us were wearing long pants, he in slacks, me in jeans, real shoes not sandals, polo type shirts with collars and big, pleasant, inviting and sincere smiles for all the ladies.[/QUOTE]I think this helps in Thermae especially if you're not the Japanese variety. Thermae girls see you coming before you spot them. then again I saw a slobby Caucasian guy with a wife beater shirt talking to a hot Thermae girl.

Pretty sure no fee for girls at Thermae. How can anyone keep track?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1925637]I think this helps in Thermae especially if you're not the Japanese variety. Thermae girls see you coming before you spot them.

Pretty sure no fee for girls at Thermae. How can anyone keep track?[/QUOTE]I wear sandals. I just don't care enough to wear shoes and socks, however I do wear shirts with sleaves and not shorts. I don't see sandals putting the girls off too much. I don't pong like some Farangs though. Taking a shower and underarm deodorant matters.

I suppose guys won't know what girls pay to establishment just like most punters are not aware of what is the house take from a full fee up front at an Oily. I like to understand the price structures, especially when house takes are very high like in Annies, Dr. BJ, Loli-tas, etc.

The rumour about girl fee came from an unreliable source, so I need to check myself next time.

For guys, they do try to usher you straight over to buy a drink at the counter, before you even got to check out the talent.

Don't think the shoes matter. I meant clothing.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1925637]

Pretty sure no fee for girls at Thermae. How can anyone keep track?[/QUOTE]Yes, it would be a logistical nightmare, wouldn't it. I didn't see anyone collecting baht, making change, handing out tickets at the door last Saturday. Could be the most challenging test ever for one of those amazing ticket sellers on the buses. How the hell do they remember exactly who has bought a ticket and who has not after 30 minutes during butt to belly bus rides at rush hours? LOL. But imagine one of them weaving through the hordes of girls in Thermae and trying to remember.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1925643]Don't think the shoes matter. I meant clothing.[/QUOTE]I wasn't really sure any one thing mattered much or if at all. But wanted to give a more complete picture.

However, based on what I have had said to me, I think Thai women are actually quite attracted to the long pants with sandals look on a man. It does strike a nice combination of status and respect (the long pants) and approachable casual and relaxed demeanor (the sandals).

Age might come into play here as well. I think a man over the age of, oh, 48 or so, ought to dress like he has been around and recognizes that Bangkok is a major international city worth putting aside the sloppy beach resort wear on a Saturday night out in favor of long pants. I wouldn't go so far as to suffer needlessly during the height of Hot Season. But most of the time I think long pants are easily do-able and just come across more respectful and aware for men over a certain age and experience.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1925640]I don't pong like some Farangs though. [/QUOTE]Ah yes, words to live by. This might be the title of my next best seller novel. . .

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1925647]I wasn't really sure any one thing mattered much or if at all. But wanted to give a more complete picture.

However, based on what I have had said to me, I think Thai women are actually quite attracted to the long pants with sandals look on a man. It does strike a nice combination of status and respect (the long pants) and approachable casual and relaxed demeanor (the sandals).

Age might come into play here as well. I think a man over the age of, oh, 48 or so, ought to dress like he has been around and recognizes that Bangkok is a major international city worth putting aside the sloppy beach resort wear on a Saturday night out in favor of long pants. I wouldn't go so far as to suffer needlessly during the height of Hot Season. But most of the time I think long pants are easily do-able and just come across more respectful and aware for men over a certain age and experience.[/QUOTE]I think some guys like to wear as little as possible on top to show off muscles and hairy chest, but does it really impress Thai hookers? I think they look for a nice guy, not too arrogant, not too macho, not too full of himself, not too demanding, not too stingy, and not too stinky, and easy to talk too. Guys that can allow the girl to feel relaxed. Maybe if the guy is really superman, they might have the hots for him. LOL In that case, Thermae maybe the wrong venue.

Have been in Thailand 9 nights now, after a drought. LOL. Did not monger every single day, slowing down now. My favorite girl for the week, was the Billboard girl. So passionate for kissing and face so cute / pretty. Not the absolute best body but good enough (small tits the weakness). She was also the most expensive including drinks and BF. However I will repeat. Now I think is a little like Rachel McAdams for face look.

2nd best (or 2nd most memorable) was freelancer who was the cheapest and tallest and good body (big milky tits). I got LINE contacts for both. I may try some other freelancers, if lookers are still around.

Most of the MP type girls hardly were beautiful enough to be special, generally behind in pretty looks. Might repeat the Darling girl as cute face. Pity some of my favourites gone or away. I can forget the MP girls easily. However will keep looking.

Exact levels of service skills wasn't that important for me, nor was the exact price. I guess I am abnormal but some others have same preference as me.

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;1924824]A scam in the sense that, while you and I know Coyote Girls are more eye candy than anything else, visitors to Bangkok would not easily be aware that they are doing a different job from the other go go dancers that they are dancing next to on the stage. I know of at least two guy who didn't know the distinction, paid the double-bar fine, expensive drinks, etc. , get 'their' girls out of the bar only to be told they won't perform sexually with the guys. One of them made it all the way to his room before he found out. A few months ago on a weekend night, one of the bars opposite Tilac Bar had only two Go Go dancers working and the rest of the place was filled with Coyote.

If you know your way around, and yes I do, then you can still pull out some regular hotties. But the Coyotes have really messed up Soi Cowboy IMO.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on this one.

The bar you're probably referring to is Spice Girls. A few weeks back I was lured inside by a stunner who turned out to be a Coyote. I found out when I went to buy her a drink and the mammasan pointed to the Coyote drink price on the drink list. Upon seeing this I cancelled the drink order, asked my cute friend to get off my lap, paid for my drink and left. Oh and I let the mammasan know exactly why I was not happy.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1925764]I'm with you on this one.

The bar you're probably referring to is Spice Girls. A few weeks back I was lured inside by a stunner who turned out to be a Coyote. I found out when I went to buy her a drink and the mammasan pointed to the Coyote drink price on the drink list. Upon seeing this I cancelled the drink order, asked my cute friend to get off my lap, paid for my drink and left. Oh and I let the mammasan know exactly why I was not happy.[/QUOTE]It's well known these places (not just spice girls) have expensive drink prices. I don't think it is however, quite the scam I experienced in Soho or Hong Kong.

One can easily check the drink prices before ordering. I don't actually know how well publicised are the lady drink prices and what those prices actually are. I have forgotten but I assume not too massive. However we do understand that this is part of how these bars make any money at all. I expect these "Arab" bars (also Rio, Kiss, Sahara, Deja Vu, Midnight) all run at a loss, and are for money laundering, but I could be wrong. Its just I see a lot of girls and never saw a lot of customers.

I never thought I was ripped off in one of these places, just under-whelmed by the level of attention from the desired girls.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1925764]I'm with you on this one.

The bar you're probably referring to is Spice Girls. A few weeks back I was lured inside by a stunner who turned out to be a Coyote. I found out when I went to buy her a drink and the mammasan pointed to the Coyote drink price on the drink list. Upon seeing this I cancelled the drink order, asked my cute friend to get off my lap, paid for my drink and left. Oh and I let the mammasan know exactly why I was not happy.[/QUOTE]I am not sure if this was mentioned in the recent discussion of how to immediately tell the difference between a barfineable go-go bar girl (one that might be considered a Coyote as well) and one that is not barfineable, imo the most scammy element of the Coyote system. But non barfineable Coyotes very often wear tights, more-or-less the same as pantyhose. If the girl grabbing at you outsde a bar on Soi Cowboy does not have bare legs under that cute bikini or skirt covered butt, 99.99% likely she is not there to have sex with customers.

I suppose that might not strictly mean she won't leave with you after you pay an inflated barfine now that I see a report of some going with a customer after he paid. However, as that report turned out, she had no intention of engaging in sex with the guy who paid. And, yeah, I must amend my earlier assrssment and now rate THAT scam as the scammyest element of the Coyote system!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1925751]I think some guys like to wear as little as possible on top to show off muscles and hairy chest, but does it really impress Thai hookers? I think they look for a nice guy, not too arrogant, not too macho, not too full of himself, not too demanding, not too stingy, and not too stinky, and easy to talk too. Guys that can allow the girl to feel relaxed. Maybe if the guy is really superman, they might have the hots for him. LOL In that case, Thermae maybe the wrong venue.[/QUOTE]You know, I believe there is a subtle but important distinction to be made in any discussion of looks, clothing, shoes, age, demeanor and so on that might impress a Thai hooker in terms of her possibly getting the hots for him in the course of doing her job and how the cultural element of "Face" plays a part in who she responds to, especially in a venue like Thermae where issues of who tries (and might fail) to connect with who, who chooses who, who agrees to go with who and all that is much more on easily observable public display than many other places.

I have no dilusions about the fact that, were it a one on one mostly private encounter, the question of how much I can and will pay the girl trumps the hell out of whether I am fit or fat, 40 or 70, wearing dress shoes or no shoes, smile broadly or stare grimly into the abyss of life without mirth. But to the girls in a place like Thermae, I think it does matter to them what everyone else thinks of the matchup. Has she been chosen by (and agreed to go with) someone who looks like he at least knows how to present himself, behave politely, will treat her well financially, perhaps cause her to be the envy of the girls he did not choose.

I honestly feel that was an element in why Thermae girls have traditionally in more recent times wanted to be chosen by Japanese customers. Not because they did in fact pay significantly more money and treat them significantly more politely than their farang counterparts, which is a bit of supposedly conventional wisdom that I have never bought into anyway, but because it WAS the conventional wisdom that so many others, imcluding most Thermae FLs, bought into.

All of the so called Arab's bars (there are seven of them) Rio, Kiss, Deja Vu, Midnite, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are bars to avoid. Over the years there have been many warnings and bad experiences posted here about these bars. Basically they are rip off joints. How they continue to stay open despite the poor business they generate is open to speculation. Some think they are money laundering operations and others think they serve as a front for a more nefarious purpose. In any case stay away or give them a try. It is up to you. Just don't say you were not warned.

Now all that said, I must say that some of those little sweeties hanging out outside these bars trying to coax customers into their respective honky tonks are damn cute. Many times I have let them use their natural charms to try to persuade me into one of their bars. We flirt a little back and forth, but then it always comes down to a Mexican standoff when I summarize, "I won't go your bar, if you no come my hotel" and then we say our little friendly goodbyes. No harm, no foul on either side. My little interactions with these girls takes up less than 5 minutes of my time. I am counting on the one night a girl for whatever reason says, "yes, I come your hotel," but I am not holding my breath. 555

The thing I hate most about the Arab's bars is that they take up valuable real estate that could be put to better use if some other entity were leasing the property. What a waste of commercial space, but then I am not into money laundering or other various counterfeit activities. The so called "Arab" is not a fool. He must have a rational reason why he manages the properties the way he does. I just wish he would disappear or the authorities would close him down.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1925795]You know, I believe there is a subtle but important distinction to be made in any discussion of looks, clothing, shoes, age, demeanor and so on that might impress a Thai hooker in terms of her possibly getting the hots for him in the course of doing her job and how the cultural element of "Face" plays a part in who she responds to, especially in a venue like Thermae where issues of who tries (and might fail) to connect with who, who chooses who, who agrees to go with who and all that is much more on easily observable public display than many other places.
[/QUOTE]Yes, okay The girl has her image to maintain, so she doesn't want to be seen leaving with the "dregs" of the customers. If she is a top girl, she should be able to pull a good standard of customer or a rich one. I think my comments on the desirable customer still apply. Very ordinary girls may have to take a wider range of customers. Often girls have some standards though that they do not like to compromise.

Some girls have a good personality and are willing to take even disabled customers with unusual body shape, while others do not as they probably do not know what to do with a disabled person. This is not a Thermae comment. More general.

Last night I am chatting with 3 freelancers on Nana Carpark. All 3 are fairly good looking. One has hot outfit and comes from Bangkok face looks older than the other 2, but don't know if she was 35 or more. An Asian dude comes up and asks one girl a question. His English is real bad so she had no clue. His key word of the question was too badly pronounced to be intelligible. He then mentioned Gifts, and seems he was looking for "souvenirs" of Thailand for friends. I translated to Thai for the girls, "Thee Raleuk". They still looked perplexed. Why would anyone be asking about that? Soi 4 was not really the best place and one girl suggested Chatujak market (very far away). I suggested he look in Sukhumvit on the other side.

He asked me what these girls do? LOL. I said "Boom Boom". He then asked the price and I suggested 1500 for ST. He told me he had spent 8000 Baht on a girl in Nana Plaza bar for ST, I guess including BF, drinks etc. I don't know if was Coyote or not, however I guess the term "rip off" could apply, as newbies don't know anything and need an experienced wingman, or to read the forum. I explained that street walkers were a lot cheaper. LOL. He asked if they were dangerous too. I could only say I did not feel any danger with the ones I knew (slightly). Dangerously cheap, yes. Their ID card does get handed to the Hotel Desk. My girl had even showed me her ID card to prove she was a lot older than what I thought.

So a rip off can occur in any bar, where a customer has no clues about what is going on.

On my first trip to Thailand I was fortunate to have found an experienced guy, who I accidently met at my home town airport and was on the same plane to Bangkok, previously knowing him from my Thai language class.

In the modern day, guys who know nothing, should be surfing the internet, a source of lots of info on all subjects. Not sure why they have not. The web is always my friend to try to find some good data amongst the bullshit too, of course.

Its official. Syzy is bored with Crazy House, especially Saturdays have bad line up. Lack of stunners and lack of my favourites being around. Bars are boring, I agree. It's only specially hot and pretty girls that can save them. I can take a holiday, and wait for someone special to come back. Too fussy about pretty faces.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1926123]Its official. Syzy is bored with Crazy House, especially Saturdays have bad line up. Lack of stunners and lack of my favourites being around. Bars are boring, I agree. It's only specially hot and pretty girls that can save them. I can take a holiday, and wait for someone special to come back. Too fussy about pretty faces.[/QUOTE]Agree, the best time of Crazy House is over. The few left lookers there are to fussy about drinks and sometimes even not attempting to drink the ordered drinks anymore. Seems they have more important things to do now.

Billboard and Bangkok Bunnies are relatively new competitive places and the good looking girls get spread over a half dozen places now. I was surprised by Twisters, the former Rainbow 2 Bar in second floor. They got some lookers and it seems they have a quiet aggressive setup. At least all of my encounters leaded me straight to the "lightly" hidden couches where almost anything was available beside of actual sex.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1926123]
Its official. Syzy is bored with Crazy House, especially Saturdays have bad line up. Lack of stunners and lack of my favourites being around. Bars are boring, I agree. It's only specially hot and pretty girls that can save them. I can take a holiday, and wait for someone special to come back. Too fussy about pretty faces.[/QUOTE]I intended to take Mook No. 144 with fab high firm tits one day, but her face was not that stunning and she always seemed to be in big rush to get barfined, often barfined very fast, so I did not pull the trigger. Never lacking a customer for long though. Aom No. 3 (or "Off" - not certain of name pronunciation) is pretty and sweet, body okay, and gets customers fast, however was a total bomb out for me when tried her long ago as a newbie. Being popular is no guarantee.

No. 92 has stunning body but I still don't take her. Just the body is not enough.

Jane No. 4 (is hot on the bed but little tits) and I would definitely take, but she was only spotted outside the bar. Not sure if she was working or not. Did not see her dance recently. Donut, Ging, Nikki still missing. Naam has big sillies now.

Too many bad nose jobs in there these days. Still a popular bar, but just lost the edge for stunning girls. Line up seems to be in general decline, for my taste. Have to do other things. Only barfined a girl once in last 9 days from there (o.k. maybe only 4 visits), and she was a repeat. That says it all. Shows I am bored with it. If Donut was there, I would take her any time without question. Gorgeous model type girl likes sex (horny type part time girl).

So its Saturday and a whole day of fun awaits.

Start off with a "friend" of one of the girls I had met off Thai friendly, who apparently runs Candy Massage.

Send me pics of CC as she's called. Fair skinned, boobs around a good B.

Was told she speaks good English but I found it elementary, but nevertheless, got the messages through even if needed google translate.

Had asked for the same. 2 hours, massage and full house.

WOW. This woman knows how to give a nuru massage! Blew my first load right in the session.

Relaxed after a shower when she washed me up (love this about Thai girls) and then round 2. Great enthusiasm and clearly a horny little girl.

No complaints here, was all great in massage and sex and it only hit me 3000!

Having spend the early afternoon with CC as in previous report, it was a bit of sightseeing that got the better of the day.

Night time and its back to Nana plaza for me. I get there around 11 and the place is kicking! Way more than my previous visit which was earlier.

Everything seems attractive today. Check out here and there and nothing really is catching my eye despite every girl seemingly interested in me (read wallet). A few feelers and it was going to cost me 6000 for LT!

Went outside after a few drinks to see if there we them freelancers like the other time. The street was more fuller now it was almost 1 am and after a few up and down, had noticed 2 girls standing near the Nana hotel entrance. Picked one which really caught my eye and agreed on 2000 but made it clear she not sleeping in with me.

Went off to the hotel and she didn't disappoint! Great GFE experience and after 2 rounds, sent her packing with a 200 baht tip. She earned it.

Boy did I sleep peaceful that night.

Woke up late, last day in the City.

Had about 6 hours to waste before heading off to airport so decided to the only thing left on menu. Soapy massage!

Got Dr BJ and Annie's. Dr BJ seems closed as per reports here / under a new name but that Soi had a few other ones and even by 2 pm, the girls were hunting punters.

Decided to go to tried and proven Annie's. Picked up no 27 from the line up, Ta was her name.

Says she 30 but could pass for early 20's with the best fake boobs I've seen. I thought they were natural till we had them tasted.

Good soapy massage, great sex for 2 rounds, good enthusiasm fro Ta. Claims she was off the day before and I was the first one for the day and she needed some serious attention.

For 2500, again no complains in service or girl.

On the way back to the hotel, stopped at a real massage place for a full body real massage (only 450 Baht!) and then showered off and that concludes the Bangkok travel for this visit.

As a first time punter in BKK, or that matter, first timer in Far east, noticed a few starting between this and Europe which is my main punting ground.

Fake advertising abounds in BKK. The sites, the girls, heavy photoshopping. Seems what you see in Nana and the streets vs those on the sites are 2 different breeds of sex workers!

In terms of service, I think the girls here offer more. Way more GFE and involved even though they as commercial as the European ones, their service benchmarks are higher.

All girls I had were exceptional. Would never be able to say that about a Euro trip! Either I hit pot luck (unlikely) or the girls deliver! I think its the latter, and combined with the exchange rates, definitely a great place to punt. Surely going to be back here again.

Visited Cowboy last night for the first time in a long time. Was with a colleague so went to Shark as they seem to be somewhat consistent for quality and atmosphere. The hip-hop musing was very good. My colleague is Asian and list to chat with girls but doesn't really seal the deal. He BF a server and went drinking with her until 2:30 AM.

I stayed behind and was debating whether there was anything that tickled my fancy. Most of these girls don't come close to being as good looking at my GF. The taboo is fun though.

As I was just about to throw in the towel, there was a petite girl whose eyes really caught me. Body was good. Smile was good. Had her come for a drink. Her name was Nook. Nice chemistry in the chit chat. Asked where she lived and she said Ratchada. I joked that we should go to her place. She said that she was find, though there was no fan or aircon or other amenities. Asked if I was fine with that. Fun.

Asked how much for ST. I am a LT guy, but couldn't bring her back where I was staying. She said 3 K. I have no idea if that is the right ballpark these days. I was find. 600 for the BF and off we went to Penny Black.

DFK in the elevator. Wild GFE in bed. I was a happy guy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1926123]Last night I am chatting with 3 freelancers on Nana Carpark. All 3 are fairly good looking. One has hot outfit and comes from Bangkok face looks older than the other 2, but don't know if she was 35 or more.

-SNIP-

Its official. Syzy is bored with Crazy House, especially Saturdays have bad line up. Lack of stunners and lack of my favourites being around. Bars are boring, I agree. It's only specially hot and pretty girls that can save them. I can take a holiday, and wait for someone special to come back. Too fussy about pretty faces.[/QUOTE]Interesting that the same night my buddy and I were so impressed with the FL line up in Thermae, Saturday night, we also dropped in on Crazy House earlier, from about 8:15 pm-9:15 pm. He had never been there and was impressed by so much female nudity. Well, it is impressive to the first timer there, almost regardless of the looks quality of the current lineup vs the past.

But my impression of Crazy House that night was similar to what I'd posted about it a while back; the nudity aside, that night's lineup would be sub par even for some of the lesser go-go bars around town.

I wonder if the fat mamasan that virtually everyone who dealt with her hated her had an under appreciated knack for corraling and keeping better looking girls. And now that she is working at Billboard or wherever, some of the better looking girls have followed her there. ?

Meanwhile, that same night we were also quite impressed with the improvement in the Soi 4/ Nana FL scene. Not just in front of the Nana Hotel car park but further down Soi 4 through to the new large 7-11 on the right hand side past the Hillary Bars.

I didn't take her because, as I said before, I was commited to a meet up elsewhere that night, but I was quoted 1,000 baht for a ST from an adorable little lady on Soi 4 who looked all of 18 at most but whose I. D. , which I requested to check, stated she was indeed the 28 year old bag she claimed to be. LOL. Got her contact info for later though. It was definitely a night to be FL hunting!

[QUOTE=NemanLion;1926182]As a first time punter in BKK, or that matter, first timer in Far east, noticed a few starting between this and Europe which is my main punting ground.

Fake advertising abounds in BKK. The sites, the girls, heavy photoshopping. Seems what you see in Nana and the streets vs those on the sites are 2 different breeds of sex workers!

In terms of service, I think the girls here offer more. Way more GFE and involved even though they as commercial as the European ones, their service benchmarks are higher.

All girls I had were exceptional. Would never be able to say that about a Euro trip! Either I hit pot luck (unlikely) or the girls deliver! I think its the latter, and combined with the exchange rates, definitely a great place to punt. Surely going to be back here again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great reports! I'll be back in BKK again in late September so just soaking up info such as your's.

Got my ticket to BKK. Looked around a while and found a great deal on Korean Air, which had the shortest travel time, as well. However, it puts me in BKK at 11 PM (that's 23:00). I had hoped to pop inside some Thai girl the night I arrived. But, I understand there could be a long line through customs and a significant cab ride at that hour. Any idea of a time frame when it will take me to reach a hotel on Sukhumvit that late? And what would be good entry level mongering options at that time? I am considering Ruamchitt Plaza for a few nights, as it appears to have a lot going on in the immediate proximity and close to the BTS. I'm not sure if I should dive headfirst into Nana the day I hit the ground. Or do others think that is easy enough? I understand there are some cheaper hotels in the area, which might be good for a night and a ST experience. Yeah, I know there some things get going at the hour, particularly the discos. But again, I wonder if that is something you can just dive into.

It has occurred to me that after 26 hours on a plane in coach, my 6'4" body might be a wreck, and may need a massage. But, aren't those places done by midnight?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1926490]Got my ticket to BKK. Looked around a while and found a great deal on Korean Air, which had the shortest travel time, as well. However, it puts me in BKK at 11 PM (that's 23:00). I had hoped to pop inside some Thai girl the night I arrived. But, I understand there could be a long line through customs and a significant cab ride at that hour. Any idea of a time frame when it will take me to reach a hotel on Sukhumvit that late? And what would be good entry level mongering options at that time? I am considering Ruamchitt Plaza for a few nights, as it appears to have a lot going on in the immediate proximity and close to the BTS. I'm not sure if I should dive headfirst into Nana the day I hit the ground. Or do others think that is easy enough? I understand there are some cheaper hotels in the area, which might be good for a night and a ST experience. Yeah, I know there some things get going at the hour, particularly the discos. But again, I wonder if that is something you can just dive into.

It has occurred to me that after 26 hours on a plane in coach, my 6'4" body might be a wreck, and may need a massage. But, aren't those places done by midnight?[/QUOTE]It would be take about 30-40 minutes maximum I guess to reach the hotel at Sukhumvit. If you land by 11, I am guessing you should be at the hotel by 2-2. 30 am.

You could take a shower and head to to Nana or Soi 11 a lot of girls from the massage places usually stand on Soi 11. Last time when I was in BKK, I was really tired on arrival so took a nap and got up at like 3 am. I stayed at on Soi 8 I guess. So walked across to Soi 11 found a few girls on the street offering me a good massage. Took one of them to the hotel and hell yeah she gave an awesome dry thai massage followed by an equally good session. Paid her 1500 +500 tip took a shower and back into the sack for a few hours.

At Nana you would find a lot of girls standing around, also LBs too. So if you are not into them be careful to judge properly.

You will also find a lot of African girls if you are into them.

This was about 10 months ago.

Visited Bangkok first time 2 weeks back. Hit Bangkok bunnies on day of arrival and bar fine lady 107. It was my best experience in entire trip and mongering ever. Massage, BJ, Anal. What not and thrice for only 2 k. She is at least 30 years old but service is amazing.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1926490]Got my ticket to BKK. Looked around a while and found a great deal on Korean Air, which had the shortest travel time, as well. However, it puts me in BKK at 11 PM (that's 23:00). I had hoped to pop inside some Thai girl the night I arrived. But, I understand there could be a long line through customs and a significant cab ride at that hour. Any idea of a time frame when it will take me to reach a hotel on Sukhumvit that late? And what would be good entry level mongering options at that time? I am considering Ruamchitt Plaza for a few nights, as it appears to have a lot going on in the immediate proximity and close to the BTS. I'm not sure if I should dive headfirst into Nana the day I hit the ground. Or do others think that is easy enough? I understand there are some cheaper hotels in the area, which might be good for a night and a ST experience. Yeah, I know there some things get going at the hour, particularly the discos. But again, I wonder if that is something you can just dive into.

It has occurred to me that after 26 hours on a plane in coach, my 6'4" body might be a wreck, and may need a massage. But, aren't those places done by midnight?[/QUOTE]From the flight time you have mentioned, I think you are flying in from America. Immigration could take about 30 minutes max. Customs is just a walk through presuming you have nothing to declare. You should be out of the airport in 45 minutes max. Another 45 minutes in a cab and you should be in Sukhumvit by 1 AM max. That is the time places like Climax start to warm up. If you are too tired and since you are staying at Ruamchitt, you can just walk into Thermae which is right in the basement of Ruamchitt. There are loads of FLs available there. Standard massage places like the soapies and oilies close at midnight but there a a few places in Villa market on soi 11 which are open at that hour. You can get laid in BKK practically at any hour of the day. LOL.

Have a great time and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Arjun31;1926700]It would be take about 30-40 minutes maximum I guess to reach the hotel at Sukhumvit. If you land by 11, I am guessing you should be at the hotel by 2-2. 30 am.
[/QUOTE]If he arrives at 11 PM and even if immigration is busy, he should be out of the airport by midnight and in his hotel by 1 AM.

Remember there are 2 immigration halls. If one is too busy, check the monitors at the entrance of the hall to see if the other is less crowded and go there.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1926490]Got my ticket ... on Korean Air, which ... puts me in BKK at 11 PM (that's 23:00). ... Any idea of a time frame when it will take me to reach a hotel on Sukhumvit that late? And what would be good entry level mongering options at that time? I am considering Ruamchitt Plaza ... may need a massage. But, aren't those places done by midnight?[/QUOTE]You should be thru immigration by 23:30. A taxi ride to Sukhumvit at this hour should only take 30 minutes. Check in a few more minutes. Fast shower, brush the teeth, mouthwash, and change of clothes will take a few more minutes and then you are ready to go! Approximate time for the good times to begin: 00:30 to 01:00 (12:30am to 1am) and believe me, at this time you will find lots of Sukhumvit girls available to make your acquaintance.

1. Soi 11 will be hopping. Walk slow on the right side of the street and take in the scenery. Between the supermarket and the Ambassador Hotel you will see a bunch of massage girls offering their naughty services. See if one appeals to you, if yes, strike up a conversation. Her shop is very close by in the arcade or you can take her back to your hotel for a few baht more. Note: the Soi 11 LB SW's hang out together apart from the real girls so there is no possibility of making a wrong move unless you are so inclined or blind. If the massage girls do not appeal, keep walking a few feet further to the Climax Club, located in the Ambassador Parking Lot. This place is good for FL pickups until 3 am or so.

2. Walk from Soi 11 towards Asok. Basically you will see SW's hanging out looking for customers from Soi 13 up until the Weston and a few of them are very doable IMHO especially in front of the Sofitel and the Weston. If it is only 1 am, Thermae will be worth a look see especially if you are staying at the Ruamchitt. You will find a bountiful number of FL's there. Some may appeal to you.

3. The Nana pariking lot and further down Soi 4 will also be loaded with SW opportunities plus the hostess girls in the Soi 4 bars might also interest you. It is a dice throw, but I have seen some sexy girls out there on Soi 4 offering their services.

So the bottom line is your late night arrival should not be a problem. There are many possibilities on late night Sukhumvit. I have only mentioned a few.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1925768]It's well known these places (not just spice girls) have expensive drink prices. I don't think it is however, quite the scam I experienced in Soho or Hong Kong.

One can easily check the drink prices before ordering. I don't actually know how well publicised are the lady drink prices and what those prices actually are. I have forgotten but I assume not too massive. However we do understand that this is part of how these bars make any money at all. I expect these "Arab" bars (also Rio, Kiss, Sahara, Deja Vu, Midnight) all run at a loss, and are for money laundering, but I could be wrong. Its just I see a lot of girls and never saw a lot of customers.

I never thought I was ripped off in one of these places, just under-whelmed by the level of attention from the desired girls.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's not a scam, it's probably just me. I am not interested in Coyotes at all and I certainly don't want to buy them drinks or barfine them for the pleasure of their company, although I have barfined gogos and bargirls just for a fun few hours of eating and drinking.

When I head to a gogo I have in the back of my mind that I'm looking for a girl to have sex with. Many times I go out but don't find a lady because none meet my criteria on the night, no big deal. There are plenty of really lovely girl available in Nana or Cowboy if I feel like a chat but I want at least the possibility of a barfine otherwise I'll just go on a date from a TF girl.

NB hit it right on the head. If I arrive at 11 pm then I am always home in Pattaya by 1 am. It definitely does not take 2 hours to get from the plane to Suk.

Hi guys,

I am going to Bangkok in November and I am looking for a girl that can do a really good deepthroat all the way and facefuck and I have a rather big dick.

Instead of walking around and ask girls this whitch I think is a little embaressing I wonder if any of you guys know any girl that can provide this service?

It could be a bargirl, massagegirl or freelancer it dosent matter the importan is that she can really provide this service GOOD couse its one of my dreams.

The other thing is that I like to start every day with a good BJ so I am looking for a girl that wants to come to my hotel every morning for 7 days and just give me a quick BJ before breakfast.

Same thing here I wonder if you have any good contacts here? .

Maybe I sound a bit kinky and hey maybe I am but I guess this is the place to ask? .

So if you know any girls in Bangkok you think I chould talk to please let me know in PM.

Cheers guys!

[QUOTE=Puttex;1926830]Hi guys,

I am going to Bangkok in November and I am looking for a girl that can do a really good deepthroat all the way and facefuck and I have a rather big dick.

Instead of walking around and ask girls this whitch I think is a little embaressing I wonder if any of you guys know any girl that can provide this service?

It could be a bargirl, massagegirl or freelancer it dosent matter the importan is that she can really provide this service GOOD couse its one of my dreams.

The other thing is that I like to start every day with a good BJ so I am looking for a girl that wants to come to my hotel every morning for 7 days and just give me a quick BJ before breakfast.

Same thing here I wonder if you have any good contacts here? .

Maybe I sound a bit kinky and hey maybe I am but I guess this is the place to ask? .

So if you know any girls in Bangkok you think I chould talk to please let me know in PM.


Cheers guys![/QUOTE]Dao at Tulip.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1926798]Maybe it's not a scam, it's probably just me. I am not interested in Coyotes at all and I certainly don't want to buy them drinks or barfine them for the pleasure of their company, although I have barfined gogos and bargirls just for a fun few hours of eating and drinking.

When I head to a gogo I have in the back of my mind that I'm looking for a girl to have sex with. Many times I go out but don't find a lady because none meet my criteria on the night, no big deal. There are plenty of really lovely girl available in Nana or Cowboy if I feel like a chat but I want at least the possibility of a barfine otherwise I'll just go on a date from a TF girl.[/QUOTE]I think many men does not quite understand the concept of "Coyote Girls". These girls are hired dancers. As such, they need to keep together as a group in order to fill the stage and add some value for the bar-owners who hire them. This group will rotate and work in different bars. It is not true that they are not "barfineable", but the same goes for a regular go-go girl; if she does not like you (or does not need the money) she can turn you down. Many will do. And they have hundreds of different reasons for it. A bar like Long Gun in Soi Cowboy have coyote girls now and they can be barfined. Last week I see a lot of them go with men. It is up to the girl if she go for sex or not. Just be sure to ask before you go. It is probably only in the massage places that the girl can not choose to say no to a customer. For coyotes I think the chances of barfining your dreamgirl will increase later at night. At that time they have done their job as a dance group and are probably more open to go with you to earn some more.

Intended to inspect some old favourites of mine at SC last night but due to heavy thunderstorm could only leave the hotel around 11 pm. So I decided to go straight to Crazy House. Party was still in full swing. But at first sight, line-up was not too stunning. Maybe 20 girls on stage, almost all of them completely naked of course. I was immediately assigned a seat, and accosted, by one girl, named Jaa. She was good at conversation but not what I was looking for. So she was also polite enough to leave when it was her turn on the stage. Immediately another one came to replace her, now on my lap. Forgot the name, quite tall, pretty face but a bit heavy-boned. Being Mr Nice I bought her a ladydrink just to have time to look around. Spotted #72, very good dancer, cute face and shoulder-long permed hair, maybe an 8, very nice small behind. She was one among three girls who wore a bra but it was obvious she had silicones. Still decided to invite her over. It turned out she was a bit crazy, maybe also a bit drunk, but quite funny and good English. After some teasing and, against my principles, a Tequila we agreed on ST and back to hotel. Very good in bed, again a bit crazy in PSE style but good fun. Great body except for those tits. Bad boob job as had to be expected from wearing a bra. I think Syzy also mentioned that warning sign before. With girls wearing a bra at CH you might expect disappointment. But overall package was still very good. Good enough that I walked her back to CH while it was still raining. Earned some extra gentleman points for that I guess.

[QUOTE=YinYang;1926938]Intended to inspect some old favourites of mine at SC last night but due to heavy thunderstorm could only leave the hotel around 11 pm. So I decided to go straight to Crazy House. Party was still in full swing. But at first sight, line-up was not too stunning. Maybe 20 girls on stage, almost all of them completely naked of course. I was immediately assigned a seat, and accosted, by one girl, named Jaa. She was good at conversation but not what I was looking for. So she was also polite enough to leave when it was her turn on the stage. Immediately another one came to replace her, now on my lap. Forgot the name, quite tall, pretty face but a bit heavy-boned. Being Mr Nice I bought her a ladydrink just to have time to look around. Spotted #72, very good dancer, cute face and shoulder-long permed hair, maybe an 8, very nice small behind. She was one among three girls who wore a bra but it was obvious she had sillycones. Still decided to invite her over. It turned out she was a bit crazy, maybe also a bit drunk, but quite funny and good English. After some teasing and, against my principles, a Tequila we agreed on ST and back to hotel. Very good in bed, again a bit crazy in PSE style but good fun. Great body except for those tits. Bad boob job as had to be expected from wearing a bra. I think Syzy also mentioned that warning sign before. With girls wearing a bra at CH you might expect disappointment. But overall package was still very good. Good enough that I walked her back to CH while it was still raining. Earned some extra gentleman points for that I guess.[/QUOTE]You really are far too nice, buddy. I don't let girls invite themselves to sit with me, unless by co-incidence I was intending to invite her anyway. If they sit in a free seat next to me, I am very good at ignoring them completely. Girls extend their hand to shake hands. I ignore that as well, or miss their hand on purpose. LOL I want it to be very clear how disinterested I am to meet any girls not selected.

Now for the tough question. No. 72 had what name? Permed hair? Does that mean curly?

If you suspect sillies, you can feel a girl's tits to check. May not work with a hardcase bra on I suppose. I have taken a sillies girl occasionally, but I can't remember ever getting one from Crazy House. Yes line up has been down. I am hardly attending this week (just once quickly).

[QUOTE=Aviator12;1926937]I think many men does not quite understand the concept of "Coyote Girls". It is not true that they are not "barfineable", but the same goes for a regular go-go girl; if she does not like you (or does not need the money) she can turn you down. Many will do. [/QUOTE]It's not clear to me if every Coyote girl is barfinable. However many or most are not available for sex.

Barfine for Coyotes is typically quite expensive and may reduce at a late hour like midnight. Barfine allows her to leave the bar with no penalty. That is all that is guaranteed really. Some bars set other rules about what time a Coyote can be barfined, and how many drinks have to be sold before she can leave.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1927031]You really are far too nice, buddy. I don't let girls invite themselves to sit with me, unless by co-incidence I was intending to invite her anyway. If they sit in a free seat next to me, I am very good at ignoring them completely. Girls extend their hand to shake hands. I ignore that as well, or miss their hand on purpose. LOL I want it to be very clear how disinterested I am to meet any girls not selected.[/QUOTE]Well, Mr Jai Dee is my second name. But in fact I ignored the first one but got weak with the second one. At least she consumed her lady drink and I could send her away.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1927031]Now for the tough question. No. 72 had what name? Permed hair? Does that mean curly?

If you suspect sillies, you can feel a girl's tits to check. May not work with a hardcase bra on I suppose. I have taken a sillies girl occasionally, but I can't remember ever getting one from Crazy House. Yes line up has been down. I am hardly attending this week (just once quickly).[/QUOTE]Her name was Nueng (one). And yes, a bit curly and only shoulder length. Sillies were not really in question but sometimes you have to compromise. I might give CH another try tonight but then rather late again.

What is the going rate (BF + ST/LT) for barfining a non coyote gogo girl from Baccara, Rainbow, or one of the other clubs with top looks?

I've never done it since I've always stuck with 2000-2500ST at Thermae but since I will be up there more this month I want to try a top BKK gogo girl and compare the experience with you guys against a top Pattaya gogo girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1927056]What is the going rate (BF + ST/LT) for barfining a non coyote gogo girl from Baccara, Rainbow, or one of the other clubs with top looks?

I've never done it since I've always stuck with 2000-2500ST at Thermae but since I will be up there more this month I want to try a top BKK gogo girl and compare the experience with you guys against a top Pattaya gogo girl.[/QUOTE]Anywhere from 2,000-3,000 for ST and 3,000-5,000 for LT. This will probably start another price debate but I could give a rats ass because this is the reality in Bangkok.

Met her at Soi Cowboy.

Not very young but gorgeous.

Have read so many forums may become an expert at Thai night life.

I took out twice short time, but she ended up staying at my hotel till next day afternoon.

I am back home.

She's in touch with me, not asked me for anything, except a house.

My question is she tells me not to message as her boss asked her to go to Malaysia or Japan or Bali etc for a week.

She even said she goes as bargirl to these places. Has happened 5 times in last 2 months.

What goes on why does a bargirl from Soi cowboy need to go work in a diff country for a week?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1926853]Dao at Tulip.[/QUOTE]Ok you say she can do the real deeptroath and facefuck? On a BIG dick?

If that's what you mean I WILL meet her.

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927229]Met her at Soi Cowboy.

My question is she tells me not to message as her boss asked her to go to Malaysia or Japan or Bali etc for a week.

She even said she goes as bargirl to these places. Has happened 5 times in last 2 months.

What goes on why does a bargirl from Soi cowboy need to go work in a diff country for a week?[/QUOTE]She goes there to make money for herself and her boss by providing sexual services to customers. Sorry, if it is not what you want to hear.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1927031] If they sit in a free seat next to me, I am very good at ignoring them completely. Girls extend their hand to shake hands. I ignore that as well, or miss their hand on purpose. LOL I want it to be very clear how disinterested I am to meet any girls not selected.[/QUOTE]Charming manners. Does it hurt to be polite?

[QUOTE=Puttex;1927242]Ok you say she can do the real deeptroath and facefuck? On a BIG dick?

If that's what you mean I WILL meet her.[/QUOTE]You asked a question and I answered it.

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927229]Met her at Soi Cowboy.

Not very young but gorgeous.

Have read so many forums may become an expert at Thai night life.

I took out twice short time, but she ended up staying at my hotel till next day afternoon.

I am back home.

She's in touch with me, not asked me for anything, except a house.

My question is she tells me not to message as her boss asked her to go to Malaysia or Japan or Bali etc for a week.

She even said she goes as bargirl to these places. Has happened 5 times in last 2 months.

What goes on why does a bargirl from Soi cowboy need to go work in a diff country for a week?[/QUOTE]Oh man! She has another customer visiting her! Na, she didn't ask me for anything, only a house! Please tell me where you are, you are sick, we need to send an ambulance for you.

[QUOTE=LaoMan;1927284]Charming manners. Does it hurt to be polite?[/QUOTE]Being polite is one thing but often bar girls take that as an invite to sit down and order a LD. If that's not what the customer wanted, it can be awkward. I agree with Syzggs on this point.

[QUOTE=Conan23;1927260]She goes there to make money for herself and her boss by providing sexual services to customers. Sorry, if it is not what you want to hear.[/QUOTE]She might stop that if he buys her a house. Not much, indeed. She could have asked for a buffalo too.

[QUOTE=YinYang;1927045]Well, Mr Jai Dee is my second name. But in fact I ignored the first one but got weak with the second one. At least she consumed her lady drink and I could send her away.

Her name was Nueng (one). And yes, a bit curly and only shoulder length. Sillies were not really in question but sometimes you have to compromise. I might give CH another try tonight but then rather late again.[/QUOTE]9. 30 PM is about the latest ideal time (already some cuties taken), however sometimes the cuties can be arriving back there later on. So on occasions I have arrived late to see very few girls dancing, and then the numbers swelled again with girls returning.

I believe sitting from 9 PM to 9. 30 PM is the best if trying to catch a particular girl that a arrives at that time. Most really hot girls do not arrive too early.

Maybe I will remember your face if I see you.

[QUOTE=LaoMan;1927284]Charming manners. Does it hurt to be polite?[/QUOTE]I am not sure what is the correct answer here. Since coming to Thailand I had to learn to be more polite than I was naturally. We are not used to be being approached by unwanted people in our home countries most likely. So it used to annoy me a lot more than it does now.

So rather than give Thai people angry words, when they try to grab my bag or hassle me, I am more serenely calm in the modern day. My main tactic is to ignore. My GF says I have changed a lot being a much calmer person, not pissed off very easily. Even is something undesired occurs in a bar, I can ignore it, I don't have to leave in a big temper just because there is one or two annoying people in there.

The more nice you are, the harder it can be to get rid of unwanted people. I hate girls arriving uncalled and then trying to massage me.

I hate massage anyway. I don't want anyone to think they are giving me a service and I should give them something in return.

It is very important to realise that everything you do sets a precedent. If you buy the mamasan a drink or the waitress a drink, she will come to you regularly, so think carefully first, is this something you want? I have one very good waitress at Crazy House that I am more than happy to keep and will help her too. Number S1. I used to like one other waitress Noi originally, but she changed to be a dancing girl. I still support her a little bit too.

I don't see how to get rid of unwanted people other than by at least ignoring them. If others can recommend a great approach, that would be nice.

I am actually a softy but have had to try to learn to be a bit more hard hearted. You cannot look after everyone. You have to be selective about which girls you want the company of.

So I never want to chat too much to anyone that is annoying or not useful to me. I prefer to be left in peace. As soon as an unwanted girl is with you it is more difficult to work out which girl you really want and get her to come. I have the rule that if a girl comes to me from no desire on my part, I never allow her to get to me, since would set the precedent that other girls will see that I can be manipulated. It is better for all to believe I am not very approachable, except by "my selected girls". Others won't understand how my girls got selected, but that is no matter.

I don't attend Suzi Wong much any more. One reason is I was nice to too many people in there in the past and set the precedent. So I know too many staff will come to me. I recently went to Long Gun first time for a few years. Yet I got hassled by too many of the staff. Seems they have long memories of me buying too many drinks in the past. I had to leave pretty quick.

If you like being swamped by the staff, you act generously to all, if you like to sit alone, you have to be quite aloof even if not quite downright unfriendly. I don't want to be swamped too many coming to me. So have to try to flick on the "mean" switch at times.

It can feel like a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde type thing, where I can try to be exceptionally nice to some, and completely disinterested (if not mean) to others.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;1926937]I think many men does not quite understand the concept of "Coyote Girls". These girls are hired dancers. As such, they need to keep together as a group in order to fill the stage and add some value for the bar-owners who hire them. This group will rotate and work in different bars. It is not true that they are not "barfineable", but the same goes for a regular go-go girl; if she does not like you (or does not need the money) she can turn you down. Many will do. And they have hundreds of different reasons for it. A bar like Long Gun in Soi Cowboy have coyote girls now and they can be barfined. Last week I see a lot of them go with men. It is up to the girl if she go for sex or not. Just be sure to ask before you go. It is probably only in the massage places that the girl can not choose to say no to a customer. For coyotes I think the chances of barfining your dreamgirl will increase later at night. At that time they have done their job as a dance group and are probably more open to go with you to earn some more.[/QUOTE]Some Coyotes don't dance at all or do so only if called upon to do so by the management under certain circumstances. I'm talking about the Coyotes whose primary job is to look hot, stand outside the bars and cajole customers into going inside to start buying drinks.

As far as some of them not being "barfineable", of course virtually everyone has a price in this regard. If you want to put the time and money into it, you could probably get The Duchess of Cambridge, Kate Middleton to go with you for ST if you were a handsome movie star and could convince her that "solving world hunger" were on the line. And, yes, if the time was exactly right, the money was exactly right, the need was extreme enough and, possibly, if the customer was right in some way, even the hottest Coyote standing outside the bars on Soi Cowboy who hardly ever steps inside long enough to dance could be "barfined".

However, aside from the kind of clothing they wear, whether they are wearing tights (pantyhose) or not and so on, one of the fastest and most certain ways to find out if the girl standing along Soi Cowboy who loops her arm into yours and tries to drag you into a bar to starting buying drinks is a Coyote is to simply ask her, "Are you a Coyote?" The girl will almost certainly admit it and say yes if she is a Coyote. Then, to find out if she has any intention whatsoever of being barfined by you (or by almost anyone, imo), simply ask her, "How much is the barfine to take you out?" Many if not most of those hotties standing outside the bars along Soi Cowboy will immediately drop the "act", drop the smile, drop your arm and step away from you. She knows you are on to the scam and that she has just been busted. They not only don't have a barfine option for you at any price, they are so unconnected to the entire concept of a "barfine" to leave their real job (of just standing outside, looking good and cajoling customers to come into the bar) and go with a customer, they don't even know what the barfine cost is for any real go-go dancers who might work in that bar.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1927300]Oh man!! She has another customer visiting her! Na, she didn't ask me for anything, only a house! Please tell me where you are, you are sick, we need to send an ambulance for you.[/QUOTE]Dude,

It was a joke. And she too was trying to see how I would react.

She knows what she does and so do I, the only thing is what makes her diff is she " gets to decide who she goes out with" and " doesn't do stuff in bed which many do".

Although I did send her a perfume on her birthday last month. And she still thanks me for it.

My question was a simple one. Why does a person working already in Soi Cowboy as bar girl on salary and ST / LT, keep going to Malaysia, Japan?

And yup was really considering buying a house for her.

[QUOTE=Conan23;1927260]She goes there to make money for herself and her boss by providing sexual services to customers. Sorry, if it is not what you want to hear.[/QUOTE]Na no big deal. She doesn't hide it. But her boss would be the establishment at Soi cowboy, so why send some one to another country.

How much do they make there. Last time she came back from Japan she was very unhappy. And was not thrilled going again.

Do they work in a bar there or provide escort services or get taken a brothel like the Russians at rajah hotel.

Just inquisitive about all this.

700 + 2000st / 4000 LT.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1927056]What is the going rate (BF + ST/LT) for barfining a non coyote gogo girl from Baccara, Rainbow, or one of the other clubs with top looks?

I've never done it since I've always stuck with 2000-2500ST at Thermae but since I will be up there more this month I want to try a top BKK gogo girl and compare the experience with you guys against a top Pattaya gogo girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927487]700 + 2000st / 4000 LT.[/QUOTE]Odd how BKK gogo clubs are cheaper than Pattaya ones for BF. Pattaya is reaching 2000 BF alone for some clubs like Glass House. 1500 for many before midnight.

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927487]700 + 2000st / 4000 LT.[/QUOTE]How recent is this information? The barfine seems a bit low for a top end GoGo on SC. This is what tiny beer bars ask for in Pattaya. AS pointed out by BB the GoGos in Pattaya are all 1000 and above.

I also believe there is some silly showcard the girls at Baccara pull out when you ask about barfining a girl.

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927485]Dude,

It was a joke. And she too was trying to see how I would react.

She knows what she does and so do I, the only thing is what makes her diff is she " gets to decide who she goes out with" and " doesn't do stuff in bed which many do".

Although I did send her a perfume on her birthday last month. And she still thanks me for it.

My question was a simple one. Why does a person working already in Soi Cowboy as bar girl on salary and ST / LT, keep going to Malaysia, Japan?

And yup was really considering buying a house for her.[/QUOTE]So then actually, it wasn't a joke LOL. So here is the answer to your question that nobody would ask unless they were in love with that said bar girl. She can make double the money she's making in Thailand if she works in Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, or South Korea. The reason why she only stays for a week is because she is working on a tourist visa or visa exempt entry stamp and it is too risky to stay longer.

On the other hand, her one of many sponsors is coming for a weeks holiday and she can't talk with you because she will be risking her monthly payment.

By the way, she seems like a great catch. Has many sponsors, has a baby, chooses who she does the deed with, and is restrictive in bed. Sorry, but i will stick to the 20-22 year old spinners if i was ever going to consider buying any ***** a house. LOL Good luck mate.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1927122]Anywhere from 2,000-3,000 for ST and 3,000-5,000 for LT. This will probably start another price debate but I could give a rats ass because this is the reality in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I apologize for leaving out the bar fine. The standard is 600-700 at a go go like Baccara, CH, or Billboared but can go up if you are dealing with a lady labelled as a coyote at some of the others.

April. Two places In soi cowboy, 700 BF and price mentioned.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1927548]How recent is this information? The barfine seems a bit low for a top end GoGo on SC. This is what tiny beer bars ask for in Pattaya. AS pointed out by BB the GoGos in Pattaya are all 1000 and above.

I also believe there is some silly showcard the girls at Baccara pull out when you ask about barfining a girl.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply. Many wouldn't have wasted their time.

I have been talking to her even in Malaysia, she is very nice looking, unmarried no baby, lives with a friend, over confident I think she may be even be providing girls as when she leaves she gets busy 2 days before and has told me boss wants me to arrange everything from ticket to other girls. She speaks decent English and has been to college. Has told. Me about the bad and the good men she's been with Manushy she says so no one's kidding anyone.

Not in love too sensible for that shit but it's a damn curious culture, on one hand they value virginity, dowry paid to girls family etc on other an amazing girl like her is in this industry and not bothered to hide what she does. . I had no clue that they made so much money in other countries.

I don't come to Thailand so often but its just nice to get attention from a girl from another ethnicity.

Who likes to video chat when she's alone at night. Her boss seems to look after her as she takes nights off from bar.

And a perfume could get me thank you for a week as she was shocked to have received it just made me feel awesome.

Thanks Bkkdog for actually answering. Did I mention I am so curious about that world.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1927569]So then actually, it wasen't a joke LOL. So here is the answer to your stupid question that nobody would ask unless they were in love with that said bar girl. She can make double the money she's making in Thailand if she works in Malasyia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, or South Korea. The reason why she only stays for a week is because she is working on a tourist visa or visa exempt entry stamp and it is too risky to stay longer.

On the other hand, her one of many sponsors is coming for a weeks holiday and she can't talk with you because she will be risking her monthly payment.

By the way, she seems like a great catch. Has many sponsors, has a baby, chooses who she does the deed with, and is restricitve in bed. Sorry, but i will stick to the 20-22 year old spinners if i was ever going to consider buying any ***** a house. LOL Good luck mate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927652]Thanks for the reply. Many wouldn't have wasted their time.

I have been talking to her even in Malaysia, she is very nice looking, unmarried no baby, lives with a friend, over confident I think she may be even be providing girls as when she leaves she gets busy 2 days before and has told me boss wants me to arrange everything from ticket to other girls. She speaks decent English and has been to college. Has told. Me about the bad and the good men she's been with Manushy she says so no one's kidding anyone.

Not in love too sensible for that shit but it's a damn curious culture, on one hand they value virginity, dowry paid to girls family etc on other an amazing girl like her is in this industry and not bothered to hide what she does. . I had no clue that they made so much money in other countries..[/QUOTE]Your magnanimity Daebis in response to the insensitive comments of some grumpy members is truly outstanding. On the subject at hand I would advise caution moving forward. As you have correctly surmised this type of relationship is complicated. Time is your best friend in getting to know what is really going on. To this end staying in touch is good, meeting up is better but parting with even moderate amounts of money is ill-advised. Over time and I would suggest a minimum of six months you will know better what her true nature is. If she is as nice and as genuine as you believe and if the feelings you have persist you could then take it to the next level. Whatever happens I wish you luck.

So last night I'm on Soi 4 and finally decided on taking an African, I take at least one from Beach Road whenever I hit Pattaya, but never in BKK. To make a short story even shorter, both of the ladies I went up to said 3,000! I immediately said, not tonight (didn't feel like haggling), I wound taking a Thai for a 1,000.

Do any of you guys have experiences with the African ladies? Is 3,000 the norm? In Patts it's only 1,000 so I was thinking 1,500, maybe 2,000, but not 3,000 no way. You can get two pops during a nice nuru massage for less than 3,000.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1927368]If you like being swamped by the staff, you act generously to all, if you like to sit alone, you have to be quite aloof even if not quite downright unfriendly. I don't want to be swamped too many coming to me. So have to try to flick on the "mean" switch at times.

It can feel like a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde type thing, where I can try to be exceptionally nice to some, and completely disinterested (if not mean) to others.[/QUOTE]This is go-go bar etiquette 101. I'm typically never friendly, respectful yes, to the staff. I order a beer and say thank you, that's it. I made the mistake of being chummy with a couple in the past and the only thing you achieve is being taken for granted, which can be a major headache. This can apply to the dancers as well; there's an older gal at Mercury with humongous naturals that I felt like playing with one drunken night, so I bought her an LD and the next three or four times I went in I didn't stay long. The minute she saw me she acted as if I BF her before and immediately swarmed me. Thankfully, she doesn't appear to be working there anymore. Whew!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1927399]Some Coyotes don't dance at all or do so only if called upon to do so by the management under certain circumstances. I'm talking about the Coyotes whose primary job is to look hot, stand outside the bars and cajole customers into going inside to start buying drinks.

However, aside from the kind of clothing they wear, whether they are wearing tights (pantyhose) or not and so on, one of the fastest and most certain ways to find out if the girl standing along Soi Cowboy who loops her arm into yours and tries to drag you into a bar to starting buying drinks is a Coyote is to simply ask her, "Are you a Coyote?" The girl will almost certainly admit it and say yes if she is a Coyote .[/QUOTE]In my opinion the Cowboy and is full of fake Coyotes. They cannot be a Coyote purely from the style of dress in my opinion, even they say they are Coyotes.

In the normal sense of the word it is a particular type of dancer who happend to have a certain standard way of dressing.

Some Coyotes spend a lot of time in front of shops even if they also dance. The girls are young with good bodies mostly, not all. Are they stunners? No. Just a very small number are really pretty. Young does nor equal stunning.

Various shops have very high barfines for Coyote that reduce late at night. Does not mean the girl will fuck.

My understanding was girls from Arab bars do not fuck. Coyotes from Cowboy 2 do fuck but expensive. In general.

Billboard Coyotes are same as ordinary bargirls except may wear a bikini or cut off shorts. If everything is same as a bargirl, they can call themselves Coyotes but clearly they are not. They dance like bargirls, fuck like bargirls, cost same as bargirls.

Soon there will be nothing left but ladyboys and Coyotes, and bargirls term will be altered to only apply to nude dancers.

Last night noticed definite Ladyboy working front of Sahara shop to pull the customers. Did not go in. Seems to be a bad development if the entertainment ladies can be LBs.

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927485]Dude,

It was a joke. And she too was trying to see how I would react.

She knows what she does and so do I, the only thing is what makes her diff is she " gets to decide who she goes out with" and " doesn't do stuff in bed which many do".

Although I did send her a perfume on her birthday last month. And she still thanks me for it.

My question was a simple one. Why does a person working already in Soi Cowboy as bar girl on salary and ST / LT, keep going to Malaysia, Japan?

And yup was really considering buying a house for her.[/QUOTE]Thai girls are known to try on all sorts of things as a "joke" to test guys. She wants to guage how dumb or sensible you are.

You cannot write that you were considering it whether you joke or not. You need to self censor what you write.

I can remember coming to Thailand 25 years ago and being very "taken" by a Thai working girl. Wasn't thinking of buying her anything expensive, but was thinking she might become my girlfriend. Problem was she had many boyfriends. I was just one of the candidates. She trained me on how to give good DATY. I wasn't that expert at the start she claimed. Anyway she chose an American dude. Later turned out he had money but wanted to keep her like a house maid and spent all his time smoking weed. She realized she chose the wrong guy and returned to Thailand.

About 4 years ago I met up with her again. Now she said she definitely wanted me to be her BF. I had significantly improved in manners, and on the bed skills were now to her liking. The problem was, she had not improved, rather had gone downhill. Put on weight. No where near so cute. Bad smokers breath. She talked to much. Very repetative. I had lost interest in her. It was more than 20 years later.

Since most of the Walking Street clubs don't have coyotes they have their own stupid thing called Models. I believe girls need a Model license as well. I may have misunderstood the Thai Model telling me this. For what matters to us, the difference between a Model and a regular gogo girl is that the models (1) take off their tops or are naked when they dance, (2) ladydrinks are between 180-200 baht vs. 120-150, and (3) BF for Models in some clubs higher than a regular gogo club. Imo most clubs' models are not nearly as good looking or young as the regular girls in the club.

There is no chance I am paying extra for a coyote when there are so many other choices in BKK and Pattaya. Just take your time and look around I'm certain you will find someone way better than the coyote you're considering wasting an extra few 1000 baht on.

Checked out 3 bars with 2 buddies last night in Cowboy.

First Crazy House. Most girls naked. Not really the top line up. Most of the best girls missing. Boom and Taeng Mo were there, girls I have taken in the past but both were dick scared and not repeatable for me. Number 144 Mook interested me slightly previously (great tits) but I doubt I will ever take her.

Number 49 Phraow is new girl of two weeks. Tan skin and very sexy manner. Good tits although starting to sag a bit these days. She is not new to me. I met her maybe two or 3 years ago at Doll House. A cock tease. She never wanted to kiss and was a starfish on the bed. So she comes to me eagerly, but I will not BF her naturally. I cannot think she has changed unless she deep tongue kisses me in the bar. LOL It is possible for girls to change but just not so likely.

CH now has ground floor shows. Fire Darts at the balloons, Lesbian show (not as good as at Suzi Wong), Cabaret Dance, Smoking Pussy. This is a bad development and is geared towards tourists. I do not enjoy it. Some girls doing the shows were old, and super ugly. Shows is the only way for these girls to make money most likely. I don't like to see too many horrible girls in a bar.

It is strange that CH has it's weakest line up on Friday and Saturday these days. Maybe top girls prefer to do something private on these days. Number of girls with nose jobs is getting too high these days. Could be 30 to 40 percent.

We went to Bacarra. No requirement to buy a drink on entry. Is that because bar was not absolutely full and a seat could be obtained? One buddy, new to Thailand, had immediate impression that girls were better in Bacarra. No fatties and no really incredibly ugly girls. CH has got just a few really ugly girls. However he probably had not had time to study the faces, because later he changed his tune and said he preferred the CH girls.

In Bacarra the stage is too full. Only front girls can be seen. They do not dance, only shuffle. The faces are all westernised surgeries look, with probably less than 10% of girls having a natural nose. Weird hair styles for the Japanese customers, although I detect a reduction in the stupid hair of the past. So my impression, looking at the faces in particular, is that none of them were really that pretty in a true Thai way. The girls all had bar and skirt so body could not be seen properly. Some silicones obvious. Some not. Maybe I spotted just one or two girls that were acceptable to me but far from stunning. Could not find the stunner I saw in front of Baccara a previous day. It's too full to be able to see anyone easily from a distance.

My overall impression is I much prefer Crazy House even though it's line up was well down from what it should be. However that is just me liking a real Thai look over a westernised altered look.

Next visited Suzi Wong. Most girls dancing nude. 90% of girls are "bpum bpui" meaning a bit over weight. Only about 4 girls reasonably slim: Dtom, Knot, Pat, and Yao. Yao now has sillies. Pat was one of the lookers in the bar before, but has 500 gm sillies now (very big D cups). Anne still looks good with her D cup sillies. Slim Knot would be my only choice (been with her several times before). However it seems she was BFed and customer may have been just waiting for her to dance in the oil show before taking her. Dtom and Knot are excellent for a threesome too. Dtom was already BFed, booked by a couple to do threesome. However I don't do threesomes much anymore. Getting too old and a little more thrifty. LOL Overall standard of the girls looks is far behind CH. Buddy barfined a waitress with a very cute face in a Thai style way, very cute upturned natural nose, and very nice manner for LT at a very good price. I think he chose very well indeed. I was impressed he chose a girl who looked so nice rather than a raunchy ugly type. She was prettier than the dancing girls, for the face, body may not be quite as good as some of the dancers. Of course clothed we could not see her body properly, so he took the punt that undressed she would look okay.

Suzi Wong shows are better: Lesbian show, body painting, oil show, soapy suds show. These type of shows are more erotic and not so ugly.

Overall I was pretty bored by all 3 bars, with Bacarra easily the most boring with clothed "aliens" just shuffling. There was little purpose for me, other than to check out the comparison.

Right now Billboard is another boring bar, excepting that I enjoy one girl who works there who is very cute, kisses great, BBBJs great, and fucks really good too. Billboard is just too dark and girls overdressed except for the bath area. Still it is supposed to be the best Nana Plaza bar these days.

Bars are generally dull unless get into party mode. It is purely the place to maybe find a pretty girl, play with her a little (better if she is nude), and take her away.

Hello friends,

I am planning a trip to BKK soon and was wondering what Kasa Long is like these days. I have many fond memories and really want to return. SOL of light is also good. Please share any recent experiences. I have not seen much on the board of late.

Thank you.

Hey Mr E:

How are ya?

You probably don't remember the nerdy Indian dude that accompanied Mr. Gogo in welcoming you to Sosua with a cold Presidente outside New Garden last year with naked chicas frolicking in the hot tub with naked chicas frolicking in the hot tub as a backdrop!

I've been RTFFing the LOS and AC forum and did not realize that I'd rubbed shoulders with a veritable renaissance man and kindred spirit.

I'm planning to return to LOS as part of a two month mongering trip this winter and was hoping our paths might cross again. The bulk of my vacation will be in India and am wondering if you'd be interested in checking it out if you have not already.

Happy and safe mongering.

Cheers.

Shockman.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1905593]Uhh. Ever heard of backpage?[/QUOTE]

My apologies. Was meant to be a PM and the damn thing won't go away when I tried to delete it. Senility sucks!

[QUOTE=Shockman;1928044]Hey Mr E:

How are ya?

You probably don't remember the nerdy Indian dude that accompanied Mr. Gogo in welcoming you to Sosua with a cold Presidente outside New Garden last year with naked chicas frolicking in the hot tub with naked chicas frolicking in the hot tub as a backdrop!

I've been RTFFing the LOS and AC forum and did not realize that I'd rubbed shoulders with a veritable renaissance man and kindred spirit.

I'm planning to return to LOS as part of a two month mongering trip this winter and was hoping our paths might cross again. The bulk of my vacation will be in India and am wondering if you'd be interested in checking it out if you have not already.

Happy and safe mongering.

Cheers.

Shockman.[/QUOTE]

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Damn I'm Wasted!

My apologies. Was meant to be a PM and the damn thing won't go away when I tried to delete it. Senility sucks!

[QUOTE=Shockman;1928044]Hey Mr E:

How are ya?

You probably don't remember the nerdy Indian dude that accompanied Mr. Gogo in welcoming you to Sosua with a cold Presidente outside New Garden last year with naked chicas frolicking in the hot tub with naked chicas frolicking in the hot tub as a backdrop!

I've been RTFFing the LOS and AC forum and did not realize that I'd rubbed shoulders with a veritable renaissance man and kindred spirit.

I'm planning to return to LOS as part of a two month mongering trip this winter and was hoping our paths might cross again. The bulk of my vacation will be in India and am wondering if you'd be interested in checking it out if you have not already.

Happy and safe mongering.

Cheers.

Shockman.[/QUOTE]555.

This forum serves up some laughs! Ha ha ha.

Yup, the recent joke was a diamond. And byes she laughed a lot after asking.

But after reading so many FRs she falls into the typical warnings signs like. I am the guy who messages, and I may get a smiley in return. But besides that she prefers I video chat so I guessed too much English is not her cup of tea. She videoed me from her village. Showed me her parents and her tiny house. Didn't ask me for anything except the house part which didn't go down well with some people.

You did wait for 20 years and I am sorry you lost something you. Ay have thought about all these years.

I was going through a marriage with a great girl but we over the years lack intimacy and in many reports I found many are looking for that intimacy than just boom boom.

That's where girls like this one come in. They are beautiful, she doesn't like DATY but sure likes to F.

In fact the first night we did what we had to and slept but next Morning we did it 4 times and it wasn't me asking for it. So I guess after many years found someone who wasn't just into. Me but was wanting to please.

She turned down the tip I wanted to give as I payed her minute she entered my room. Some would say she was showing her self to be diff.

Openly talked about her not so good experiences in Malaysia etc didn't try to hide what she is.

Told. Me she is lazy looking for a boyfriend but she's been dumped by a couple of times after being promised the stars.

I BFed her next day same thing just made me feel really nice over all. So I guess you can't put a value / price on that feeling.

Even now when she comes home from her bar she will video call and just chat in irritating English usually drunk and opens up but I just like looking at her.

Never have I had a video session of mutual. She just did what she had to till she came.

I don't know what I am looking for, its just a bus ride Which I am taking with all my senses about.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1927796]Thai girls are known to try on all sorts of things as a "joke" to test guys. She wants to guage how dumb or sensible you are.

You cannot write that you were considering it whether you joke or not. You need to self censor what you write.

I can remember coming to Thailand 25 years ago and being very "taken" by a Thai working girl. Wasn't thinking of buying her anything expensive, but was thinking she might become my girlfriend. Problem was she had many boyfriends. I was just one of the candidates. She trained me on how to give good DATY. I wasn't that expert at the start she claimed. Anyway she chose an American dude. Later turned out he had money but wanted to keep her like a house maid and spent all his time smoking weed. She realized she chose the wrong guy and returned to Thailand.

About 4 years ago I met up with her again. Now she said she definitely wanted me to be her BF. I had significantly improved in manners, and on the bed skills were now to her liking. The problem was, she had not improved, rather had gone downhill. Put on weight. No where near so cute. Bad smokers breath. She talked to much. Very repetative. I had lost interest in her. It was more than 20 years later.[/QUOTE]

How does it make a difference if someone is being grumpy. Can imagine the ones who follow this forum would cause there are so many like us making the same mistakes etc.

But what I would like to say, a lot of us are in it for the experience, I know a buddy who is a multi millionaire a thorough gentleman lives in Germany but loves the experience of this whole Thai girl says it's better than the sure shot FKK clubs.

I have found a decent Thai girl who I don't want to marry nor have her as my mistress, Shea just a nice girl who I find very pretty and am a total face-man, she has a nice petite body and is careful about it.

The attention is what many many of us crave and if you find a half decent person who can give you that it's worth even the many dollars many of us spend. To some this kind of. Money doesn't even make a difference but some aay you "spoiling" these girls and my answer why shouldn't you after all they are girls!

Also I doubt as someone put it that she was testing me and I shouldn't joke about it, I doubt it she asked me for a 1 million bhatt house and a 4 carat diamond when she was drunk and then laughed for 5 minutes. She can play me starring with smaller things.

But you are right one should wait and watch for at least 6 months, but chatting on this forum does put one at ease, as why I posted on this was I got this weird feeling of jealousy or anxiety when she wouldn't reply and that is not good and felt like a moron.

And this forum puts things in perspective for many of us. Yes I am getting friendly with a nice looking experienced girl BUT who happens to be a bar girl / prostitute, she has "many man", and whether some were grumpy or nice they did help with this realization which I knew but needed to hear it.

Matters of the heart a weird can turn ones day upside down a clear it all with a smiley.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1927735]Your magnanimity Daebis in response to the insensitive comments of some grumpy members is truly outstanding. On the subject at hand I would advise caution moving forward. As you have correctly surmised this type of relationship is complicated. Time is your best friend in getting to know what is really going on. To this end staying in touch is good, meeting up is better but parting with even moderate amounts of money is ill-advised. Over time and I would suggest a minimum of six months you will know better what her true nature is. If she is as nice and as genuine as you believe and if the feelings you have persist you could then take it to the next level. Whatever happens I wish you luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1927735]Your magnanimity Daebis in response to the insensitive comments of some grumpy members is truly outstanding. On the subject at hand I would advise caution moving forward. As you have correctly surmised this type of relationship is complicated. Time is your best friend in getting to know what is really going on. To this end staying in touch is good, meeting up is better but parting with even moderate amounts of money is ill-advised. Over time and I would suggest a minimum of six months you will know better what her true nature is. If she is as nice and as genuine as you believe and if the feelings you have persist you could then take it to the next level. Whatever happens I wish you luck.[/QUOTE]I'm truly sorry your majesty. I should be more sensitive to the monger who proclaims his love for a bar girl on a sex forum, claiming it was a joke after, but still was considering buying her a house. Give me a break! The only valuable part of his post was a question which reveals why Thai bar girls work abroad and for how long.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1928071]
This forum serves up some laughs! Ha ha ha.[/QUOTE]Yeh, that you haven't mastered clicking on "Quote" someone else's post.

That was more amusing than Shockman's post that you duplicated (slightly).

[QUOTE=BrockStar;1927762]Do any of you guys have experiences with the African ladies? Is 3,000 the norm? In Patts it's only 1,000 so I was thinking 1,500, maybe 2,000, but not 3,000 no way. You can get two pops during a nice nuru massage for less than 3,000.[/QUOTE]1000-1500 is the norm. I've taken some from Pratunam for that much, not from Sukhumwit, but have been quoted that rate without me asking or appearing too interested. Africans are almost all hard pros (they wouldn't have gotten to Thailand otherwise), so try to read you and go for the jugular more than the Thais do.

[QUOTE=BrockStar;1927762]
In Patts it's only 1,000 so I was thinking 1,500.[/QUOTE]I have noticed guys like referring to Pattaya as Patts. It is fine if that is what western guys like to use when conversing, however I advise do not use it with Thai people, in general, and it seems strange to me, being a Thai speaker.

I presume you guys pronounce it as though it rhymes with "bats" (I have never actually heard it). The Patt on the front of Pattaya does not rhyme with "Bat", rather rhymes with "Butt".The correct vowel sound makes a lot of difference in Thai language (while it does not in English). Thais using English words ending in letter "s" usually drop the S as they can't pronounce nor hear it well. Therefore Patts would not be very recognisable to the average Thai person at all. My GF had no clue at all.

I hope at least, most of you avoid to say Pat-THAI-ya. That is a nonsense pronunciation, even though I did hear westerners use it plenty of times. Thais may well understand this one since they heard it pronounced this wrong way so many times.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1928280]1000-1500 is the norm. I've taken some from Pratunam for that much, not from Sukhumwit, but have been quoted that rate without me asking or appearing too interested. Africans are almost all hard pros (they wouldn't have gotten to Thailand otherwise), so try to read you and go for the jugular more than the Thais do.[/QUOTE]I took one girl coming from Africa (Zanzibar region) this year. Met her on Sukhumvit near Cowboy. Can't remember the price, probably 1500, but she was a dud on the bed so money wasted. I was sort of assuming that African girls should be good at it, but was wrong. Stiff legs and painful blowjob. Did not really like to kiss. I have had wonderful African girls before in Europe though. In future I might demand some sample kissing first. I will only risk it if she is very pretty, has big lips, and kisses really great.

Maybe not all the African girls are really experienced. My girl seemed too crappy to be really experienced. Was actually my worst session for the year I think. I can't remember too many other really bad sessions here, only a few average sessions. My weakest girl at Addict was not that bad. I have a bad memory for crap girls though, so I could be wrong in rating the African as worst. Another real cute Thai girl Apple with 3 kids was really terrible and really loose pussy to go with it. Maybe that was this year.

Overall I have been pretty lucky to get mostly O.K. girls, and a few really excellent.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1928300]IMaybe not all the African girls are really experienced. My girl seemed too crappy to be really experienced. Was actually my worst session for the year I think. I can't remember too many other really bad sessions here, only a few average sessions.[/QUOTE]Sounds like she was well experienced in giving low value for money. Not a straight up rip-off per se, but little effort put forth so the customer becomes frustrated and sends her off rather quickly. Not a way to establish repeat clients, but also not the intent of the business model.

SL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1928300]I took one girl coming from Africa (Zanzibar region) this year. Met her on Sukhumvit near Cowboy. ... she was a dud on the bed ... Did not really like to kiss. ... Was actually my worst session for the year I think. [/QUOTE]I think I met the same girl on the corner of Cowboy and Soi 23 one night. She told me her name was Michelle K from Tanzania. She pronounced Tanzania in a unique way I never heard before. Tan Zanya. Normally I have absolutely no interest in African girls in Thailand as most do not meet my spec, but this girl looked great with her light cafe latte skin color, her very sexy face, and her Thai-esque body type (small natural breasts and a corresponding nice little ass). She gave me her cell number and I texted her a couple of times, but I had only 3 nights left in my trip so I could not and did not want to extricate myself from my scheduled farewell dates with my 4 favorite BKK girls. I guess luck was on my side with this one.

Interestingly, my #1 gal in all of Asia is a mixed race Sudanese / Filipina born and raised in the PI. Lookwise she is a very cute spinner with a very tight little Filipina body. The only giveaway as to her natural origins is her high hair line common with some Ethiopian girls, her darker than ordinary Filipina complexion and her black nipples. Otherwise she is all Filipina in looks and personality. I have been seeing her for 2.5 years now and I am planing on taking her and my #2 favorite gal in all of Asia (LOL) on a beach holiday to Palawan when I return to Asia in 2017.

But getting back to African girls in LOS; normally I have no interest. Their reputations are not good and overall I am not into that predominate body type ie overstuffed large breasts and large ass in a too tight dress or jeans. Michelle K, the Tan Zanya girl, was the one exception. As you know, I am an American living in South Florida. We got lots of original origin African girls of multiple nationalities and racial mixes to choose from right here. And if I wanted a slightly more exotic and perhaps friendlier version, it is a short hop over the Caribbean to Cartagena where there are tons of friendly Latina African Colombianas just waiting to make my acquaintance and please me. In the 90's I used to regularly head down to Colombia. The girls look outstanding, but I got tired of the macho Latino mentality. LOS is a much nicer place to relax and enjoy the women.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1927300]Oh man! She has another customer visiting her! Na, she didn't ask me for anything, only a house! Please tell me where you are, you are sick, we need to send an ambulance for you.[/QUOTE]Really. The house is just a giant blank cheque. She will ask for each million of baht "for the house" until this guy has no more to give, and then dump him.

Bit of advice for dealing with bargirls long term, it's just like renting longterm monthly / yearly lease. This isn't a relationship. Be worth more alive than dead. Seriously, falangs end up murded in Thailand out back in the country over life insurance and as ways to settle property disputes (meaning the bargirl takes all property from the guy she killed). If the punter is worth more as a source of income, he can just use that money as leverage in the long-term rent game.

[QUOTE=Daebis;1928186]
Also I doubt as someone put it that she was testing me and I shouldn't joke about it, I doubt it she asked me for a 1 million bhatt house and a 4 carat diamond when she was drunk and then laughed for 5 minutes. She can play me starring with smaller things.
[/QUOTE]All jokes comes from the truth initially. You need to be very aware that she will be propositioning you for a house very soon. Usually by 6 months but never more than 1 year is like 99% of what happens in "long-term" bargirl relationships. But you may very well end up living in that house for a few years! Highly unlikely for much more than 2-5 though. The "exotic foreigner" appeal that you seek wears off, and you'll find some other girl who is way more attractive since you are now within full access to Thailand for one. Provided that she isn't just looking to get the house and dump you right thereafter (which is what happens to most guys, who learn the HARD way). I ran into a Swedish guy during a border crossing who met a bargirl in Pattaya and bought her (thanks to his semi-rich parents who owned a furniture factory) a house and car. She dumped him immediately after and it obviously hurt him both emotionally and financially. You really need to take care of yourself dude, only you can do that and women have no respect for a man who can't even take for of himself (after all, how could such a guy take care of her, her kids and her family). It's just a huge turn off for women, guys they can con and play so easily.

Honest advice. You buy her a house but never stayed with her day to day (like a husband / wife) for 1 year, you will get dumped within 1 week of the exchange. Best to pay for her exclusitivy by the month. Giving her a giant lump sum is just a red flag for a scam. The second you get an email / request asking for a large sum of money, she already dumped you. You need to swallow that pill when it's given to you and not ignore it.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1928402]All jokes comes from the truth initially. You need to be very aware that she will be propositioning you for a house very soon. Usually by 6 months but never more than 1 year is like 99% of what happens in "long-term" bargirl relationships. But you may very well end up living in that house for a few years! Highly unlikely for much more than 2-5 though. The "exotic foreigner" appeal that you seek wears off, and you'll find some other girl who is way more attractive since you are now within full access to Thailand for one. Provided that she isn't just looking to get the house and dump you right thereafter (which is what happens to most guys, who learn the HARD way). I ran into a Swedish guy during a border crossing who met a bargirl in Pattaya and bought her (thanks to his semi-rich parents who owned a furniture factory) a house and car. She dumped him immediately after and it obviously hurt him both emotionally and financially. You really need to take care of yourself dude, only you can do that and women have no respect for a man who can't even take for of himself (after all, how could such a guy take care of her, her kids and her family). It's just a huge turn off for women, guys they can con and play so easily.

Honest advice. You buy her a house but never stayed with her day to day (like a husband / wife) for 1 year, you will get dumped within 1 week of the exchange. Best to pay for her exclusitivy by the month. Giving her a giant lump sum is just a red flag for a scam. The second you get an email / request asking for a large sum of money, she already dumped you. You need to swallow that pill when it's given to you and not ignore it.[/QUOTE]Really guys. Why compromise your standards? Would you buy a woman who has a 6th grade education, does not speak your language, and has a parasitic family a house back in your home country? Probably not. So why do it here? Most of these Isaan gals are as sophisticated as a gal from the West Virginia hollers. Difference is they are cuter, have all their teeth, and are most likely not a product of inbreeding. But dudes come here, stick it in, and in six seconds they are "in love. " And most grow to regret it. Don't get me wrong. I have friends over the years that have had successful long term relationships with bar girls. But all of those gals were motivated to do other things and placed their "farang" above their family. And all but one did not already have a kid.

Honestly ask yourself; what is she bringing to the table? If it just the wet spot between her legs and a nice disposition you are probably headed down the wrong track.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1928379]I think I met the same girl on the corner of Cowboy and Soi 23 one night. She told me her name was Michelle K from Tanzania. She pronounced Tanzania in a unique way I never heard before. Tan Zanya. Normally I have absolutely no interest in African girls in Thailand as most do not meet my spec, but this girl looked great with her light cafe latte skin color, her very sexy face, and her Thai-esque body type (small natural breasts and a corresponding nice little ass). She gave me her cell number and I texted her a couple of times, but I had only 3 nights left in my trip so I could not and did not want to extricate myself from my scheduled farewell dates with my 4 favorite BKK girls. I guess luck was on my side with this one.
[/QUOTE]Yes that is the one. I really think you were lucky to miss out. Her skin was not very dark, so I think she may have had some Asian blood in her or something else, anyway not full black girl.

I had a gorgeous, doe eyed, sleek-necked Ethiopian girl out of the CM2 club during it's heydays many moons ago. She was in the company of a greedy old lady who was pimping her out.

Spoke excellent English and made up for her lack of expertise with sheer horniness and a desire to please.

Broke the bank but satisfied an itch that needed scratching.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1928379]I think I met the same girl on the corner of Cowboy and Soi 23 one night. She told me her name was Michelle K from Tanzania. She pronounced Tanzania in a unique way I never heard before. Tan Zanya. Normally I have absolutely no interest in African girls in Thailand as most do not meet my spec, but this girl looked great with her light cafe latte skin color, her very sexy face, and her Thai-esque body type (small natural breasts and a corresponding nice little ass). She gave me her cell number and I texted her a couple of times, but I had only 3 nights left in my trip so I could not and did not want to extricate myself from my scheduled farewell dates with my 4 favorite BKK girls. I guess luck was on my side with this one.

Interestingly, my #1 gal in all of Asia is a mixed race Sudanese / Filipina born and raised in the PI. Lookwise she is a very cute spinner with a very tight little Filipina body. The only giveaway as to her natural origins is her high hair line common with some Ethiopian girls, her darker than ordinary Filipina complexion and her black nipples. Otherwise she is all Filipina in looks and personality. I have been seeing her for 2.5 years now and I am planing on taking her and my #2 favorite gal in all of Asia (LOL) on a beach holiday to Palawan when I return to Asia in 2017..[/QUOTE]

Very well put.

To put things in perspective this whole thing for our of focus on the subject I was trying to figure out. No I won't be buying a house for her, noninwont be buying a diamond ring. Can get exclusivity with her buy paying 1 Month bar fine but that's not the point.

But like Parkville summed it perfectly her joke could hold truth as she was drunk on the first night and asked me to marry her but I guessed this is how these girls would hold a conversation.

But it's not the wet spot that makes one consider a relationship it's the attention they give and they are pros at it. Last week I would wait for a like on my post. But again I can't thank you all enough whether you were rude or concerned it's just I lost the perspective, I am enjoying this long distance relation and the video sex is pretty cool.

But my question minimally I was trying to get at was. And from the answers I got was. Bar girl = working girl in a brothel.

I just thought there is a difference between a girl who goes out with a guy for LT or st and a girl who stays in a room and gets fucked by a large number of men daily.

So if this bar girl goes to diff countries to stay in a room and have guys come in one after the other so why even work in a bar. Deep down I know the answer, it's like the person who was rude said don't get too attached.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1928408]Really guys. Why compromise your standards? Would you buy a woman who has a 6th grade education, does not speak your language, and has a parasitic family a house back in your home country? Probably not. So why do it here? Most of these Isaan gals are as sophisticated as a gal from the West Virginia hollers. Difference is they are cuter, have all their teeth, and are most likely not a product of inbreeding. But dudes come here, stick it in, and in six seconds they are "in love. " And most grow to regret it. Don't get me wrong. I have friends over the years that have had successful long term relationships with bar girls. But all of those gals were motivated to do other things and placed their "farang" above their family. And all but one did not already have a kid.

Honestly ask yourself; what is she bringing to the table? If it just the wet spot between her legs and a nice disposition you are probably headed down the wrong track.[/QUOTE]

Another visit to Thermae today.

Called at Darling Massage first but nothing attracted me. Faces not pretty enough.

Very soon spotted 3 to 4 promising looking girls with cute faces. In amongst a sea of normally fairly good looking girls. Of course my problem is nose jobs turned me off most girls immediately. Focussing on two girls, checking them out from a distance. First had very lovely face but sitting with a bag on her lap. Quite possibly same girl I admired on a previous visit. Very soon was taken by a Japanese man (most likely), and standing up, I could now see her thighs and ass were too big for me. No matter. I turned my attention to another cutie much slimmer standing with her friend. Her friend clearly had nose job and sillies.

Found Uncle Volodya in there (Not sure I have spelled this right). He was much younger than me. Somehow I had expected someone much older. LOL By the time we finished chatting and I went back to the 2nd girl, she was not there. Her friend told me she had been taken. Okay So I start to realise the girls I really like, are also liked by others. If not acting fast could miss out.

Found a third probably natural beauty type standing with her friend. Decided to chat to her (before was too late). She was so shy she could not even look me in the face, when I asked if she liked Farangs at all. I tried to reassure her not to be shy and she could speak to me in Thai. Anyway she eventually blabbed that she could not go with me. No reason given, which is very Thai way. Her friend had a very long discussion with a Japanese guy and they eventually went. I don't know exactly what was negotiated or discussed. Maybe the girls wanted to be fed first. LOL.

I soon found that the 2nd girl I had admired, had returned. No more than 20 minutes gone I guess. This time I would talk to her. I thought I would stir a little, and say "that was very quick". I then asked again if she liked Farangs at all. She replied that yes she can go with Farangs but that the price is higher. Her manner was not exactly sweet. I wasn't exactly getting a possible GFE type feeling from her. I asked her how much more for Farangs, and she replied with 3500 Baht. I suppose I should not have been surprised, however my previous Thermae girl never discussed the price, and I paid significantly less. I would not repeat her however due to lack of kissing and lack of tolerating DATY, etc. Despite being okay Fuck in doggy position.

I looked over some more girls, but was having trouble finding the right figure unhidden enough to make out the shape properly. One beauty looked disinterested in all proceedings. Eventually I decided I had wasted enough time and moved on. There were girls clearly keen on me, but they were not the ones I liked.

Ended up latching on to a Nana freelancer who only wanted 1200 Baht. She was very sweet compared to the girls I chatted with in Thermae. Much better vibe from her. She was also skinny, so I knew the tits might not be very good at all. Turned out to be saggy mummy tits. She had got pregnant at 15 years old and now claimed to be 24. Thankfully her BBBJ was pretty good, once she understood to go slow. She asked for CBJ but I declined that and promised not to blow in her mouth. Fuck was nice too. Not really fully GFE. Nice pussy though. Repeat? Probably not. Due to the bad tits, and generally too scrawny figure.

Had a drink in Stumble Inn afterwards with an ex Crazy House girl who just started work there. They had a band. It was playing some songs I liked, e. G. "Money for Nothing" (Dire Straits / Sting) but they were really bad. The lead singer was too old and could not sing, the tempo was wrong and sound poor. I suppose a typical shitty Thai band. Did not really spy any stunning girls in there, except for one girl, too well dressed in black sitting with two Farangs. She was with the customers, not working there. Bummer. I would easily have returned for her any time. She was really stunning and that was without even seeing her figure that clearly.

Pretty dull night all up. At least I got a cheap fuck in the end. I failed to mention a few other places where I went looking. I could easily have gone and got my very cute very reliable full on GFE Billboard girl, if all else failed.

I start to get bored with the Thermae already. Not as easy to find the right girl as in a bar with girls undressed, for me. Hidden bodies is a problem for me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1928481]
Very soon spotted 3 to 4 promising looking girls with cute faces. In amongst a sea of normally fairly good looking girls. [/QUOTE]Apologies, I did not make it clear that this was at the Thermae (not at Darling).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1928481]Another visit to Thermae today.

SNIP

I soon found that the 2nd girl I had admired, had returned. No more than 20 minutes gone I guess. This time I would talk to her. I thought I would stir a little, and say "that was very quick". I then asked again if she liked Farangs at all. She replied that yes she can go with Farangs but that the price is higher. Her manner was not exactly sweet. I wasn't exactly getting a possible GFE type feeling from her. I asked her how much more for Farangs, and she replied with 3500 Baht. I suppose I should not have been surprised, however my previous Thermae girl never discussed the price, and I paid significantly less. I would not repeat her however due to lack of kissing and lack of tolerating DATY, etc. Despite being okay Fuck in doggy position.[/QUOTE]Syzy, did you find out from that girl how much of a "farang upcharge" her requested 3,500 baht represented? Did she indicate it was 1,000 baht more for a farang than for the (most likely) Japanese guy she spent about 20 minutes with earlier? 500 baht more? Or did you have a feeling about it one way or another without her saying it exactly?

I think it is really interesting that she (and perhaps more of those girls?) is not buying into the bit about Japanese customers being the ones that pay more than the farangs but rather that farangs ought to pay more than the Japanese or other Asians. I haven't bought into that bit either. So now we have a Thermae girl who feels her looks and "quality" are fine enough to demand more from a farang than from a Japanese customer. And that lofty "farang upcharge" only brings it to, at least to me, a decidedly unshocking 3,500 baht.

Not that I would be just fine and dandy with paying 3,500 baht for ST with her. You weren't either obviously. But from what I've heard and, as I said, not fully bought into, I thought those happily over-paying Japanese guys where throwing around 3,500 baht or more for STs left and right for even middling or just above average Thermae girls much less one that was attractive enough to grab your and so many other customers' interest, perhaps the most attractive girl in the room that night.

But apparently that is not the case at all.

Hi,

I was wondering if staying at hotel Lebua is a total bust for mongering in that area? Is their enough to keep me busy around their until I move to the landmark? Want to try to stay at Lebua for New Years for a few days, and then move on! Any and all info on what to do in that area for 4 days or so would be great and appreciated!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1928521]Syzy, did you find out from that girl how much of a "farang upcharge" her requested 3,500 baht represented? Did she indicate it was 1,000 baht more for a farang than for the (most likely) Japanese guy she spent about 20 minutes with earlier? 500 baht more? Or did you have a feeling about it one way or another without her saying it exactly?
[/QUOTE]

Regular price at Thermae is 2000-2500 ST. I'm sure there are girls less than 2000 as well, especially near closing time when they want to seal a deal rather than move on to another venue. Seems like this girl wanted 1000 extra. The Farang upcharge may have only been from this girl as I do not believe the previous girls Syzy went with had this upcharge. Girls at Thermae can charge whatever they want. They are freelancers and some non pros.

Not implying this was the case for Syzy but often a girl throwing out a higher number may be because the girl was not interested in going with that particular customer. Did this girl express interest in you before you talked to her, Syzy?

The Farang surcharge isn't the big issue. Even worse is I am finding that many girls limit ST to 1 hour likely because they know they can turn over a Japanese guy in less than that. It is important to ask Thermae girls how long ST is.

Someone with Syzy's taste would definitely have a more difficult time finding a girl at Thermae than I would. Of the younger girls, there are definitely more post facial surgery girls made to look Japanese / Westernized than natural Thai look. It's why I can easily walk into Thermae and find 30-40 girls. I can't say that about any other place in Pattaya or Bangkok. The closest would be a VERY good night at Sensations in Pattaya or Baccara in Pattaya/Bangkok.

Uncle V told me the lineup was better after midnight than when you guys were there earlier.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1928408]Honestly ask yourself; what is she bringing to the table? If it just the wet spot between her legs and a nice disposition you are probably headed down the wrong track.[/QUOTE]Advice of the decade! I wish this could be a sticky right at the top of the thread blinking away for all visitors to Thailand to read and follow.

Goatscrot for President!

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927486]

Do they work in a bar there or provide escort services or get taken a brothel like the Russians at rajah hotel.
[/QUOTE]Yes and yes. It is all possible.

I've bumped into girls from Soi Cowboy's Shark in Impanema in Orchard Towers. They figure they have the possibility of getting perhaps THB 8 K ST in Singapore. After they realize this is rare, they may not go back. Or they may go back because they enjoyed not dancing on a stage. Who knows.

In HKG they may be a 141 girl in a room on a website where guys knock on the door, take a look and come in if they like what they see.

It could be they are taking to a brothel.

It could be that their other boyfriend (s) is taking them to these places so they have a girl by their side when on holiday. By the way, those others also get thank you for the money and gifts they are sending and some of them are contributing to that house your a building for her. It will be magnificent!

Everything is possible.

[QUOTE=Daebis;1927652]Thanks for the reply. Many wouldn't have wasted their time.

I have been talking to her even in Malaysia, she is very nice looking, unmarried no baby, lives with a friend, over confident I think she may be even be providing girls as when she leaves she gets busy 2 days before and has told me boss wants me to arrange everything from ticket to other girls. She speaks decent English and has been to college. Has told. Me about the bad and the good men she's been with Manushy she says so no one's kidding anyone.
[/QUOTE]Ask her where she is working in Malaysia. This can help us to explain what she is doing there. Kinky massage or KTV or Thai House. Give me her LINE ID and I'll check in on her for you next week.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1928573]Regular price at Thermae is 2000-2500 ST. I'm sure there are girls less than 2000 as well, especially near closing time when they want to seal a deal rather than move on to another venue. Seems like this girl wanted 1000 extra. The Farang upcharge may have only been from this girl as I do not believe the previous girls Syzy went with had this upcharge. Girls at Thermae can charge whatever they want. They are freelancers and some non pros.

Not implying this was the case for Syzy but often a girl throwing out a higher number may be because the girl was not interested in going with that particular customer. Did this girl express interest in you before you talked to her, Syzy?

The Farang surcharge isn't the big issue. Even worse is I am finding that many girls limit ST to 1 hour likely because they know they can turn over a Japanese guy in less than that. It is important to ask Thermae girls how long ST is.

Someone with Syzy's taste would definitely have a more difficult time finding a girl at Thermae than I would. Of the younger girls, there are definitely more post facial surgery girls made to look Japanese / Westernized than natural Thai look. It's why I can easily walk into Thermae and find 30-40 girls. I can't say that about any other place in Pattaya or Bangkok. The closest would be a VERY good night at Sensations in Pattaya or Baccara in Pattaya/Bangkok.

Uncle V told me the lineup was better after midnight than when you guys were there earlier.[/QUOTE]No the girl did not show interest. I certainly got the impression she likes quick easy customers extrapolating, and that is exactly what I am not. I prefer girls willing to go 90 mins.

When I know where I can find a really passionate bargirl that is very keen abd likes fucking, and possibly better looking as well, I would be looking for the Thermae girl to be cheaper and have a better attitude. Maybe she would have given you a better price I don't know how much.

There are definitely sweeter girls in there. I just approached the wrong ones.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1928637]. Maybe she would have given you a better price I don't know how much.[/QUOTE]Let's test this out.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1928521]Syzy, did you find out from that girl how much of a "farang upcharge" her requested 3,500 baht represented? Did she indicate it was 1,000 baht more for a farang than for the (most likely) Japanese guy she spent about 20 minutes with earlier? 500 baht more? Or did you have a feeling about it one way or another without her saying it exactly?
[/QUOTE]I usually include all important details. So if I had an answer, it would have been written already. Anyway BB points out going rate of 2 K to 2. 5 K. I don't like to get into price wars nor big negotiations with girls, so I did not ask for any further detail.

I will pay more if the girl really seems worth it. In this case she was definitely not special in any way for me other than face moderately cute. Body I don't know. Quite slim.

Vibe was rather too assertive and business like. Once talking to her, I wasn't really liking her anymore. I had pretty much decided against her even before hearing the 3500.

Some girls are probably looking for an easy quickie, simply to return to get the next customer. Some girls are not that way.

We could easily say the same of freelancers on the street, except they might be cheaper. For bar girls, many of my girls have been happy with taking just one customer for the evening, but others are aware they can get a customer so easily, they may as well go for another round if not too tired.

Girls have financial problems to deal with. Some need a certain amount of money on a particular day. This is not always compatible with getting a very relaxed girl for slow GFE. If the girl is a bit less popular, failing to get a customer at all some nights, then she may be willing to give a lot more of her time. If she doesn't get a fuck that often, she may be even horny.

My Billboard girl claimed she did not get to go with a customer all that often. Her look is right for me but not for every customer (small tits, all natural). There is plenty of competition with a significant number of good looking girls, maybe not all are so sweet. She is very lovey dovey in the bar and on the bed. Seems quite a horny type too. So she is very reliable. Never discussed a price with me either. Seems to have been happy. Always eager to see me again.

Bar girls has been my most reliable source of girls, due to several reasons. Able to gauge looks, including the body reasonably well, able to gauge girls level of fun loving and sweetness, no rush to go off and fuck immediately, able to get good GFE (not every time but very lucky this year), not looking for pornstars or exotic services. Not the cheapest of course. However recently at Crazy House not one of my favorite automatic choice girls has been attending. Line up is decidedly down (for me). Level of fake noses is rising to close to 50% (according to one girl who works there long time). Baccara line up is really boring for me. 95% fake noses, many fake tits covered, bored looking shuffling girls, hairstyles less crazy than 2 years ago (fashions change).

So far Thermae has proven a place more difficult to find the right girl for me. Girls tend to be more conservative, less GFE, more business like. Just impression so far. Freelancers tend to be a bit behind bargirls for GFE also, but satisfactory fucks so far. Always clothed girls have the risk of finding bad body in some way underneath the clothing, sometimes designed specially to hide something.

As surgeries have been increasing everywhere, bars, Soapies, Oilies, you name it, it has been getting more difficult for me to find desirable girls. Freelancers have less surgeries I guess, so I start to branch into this area, and hunt for bars with pretty girls all natural. Thermae does have more natural girls than Baccara by a significant margin.

Can someone go over the price structure for sex services in Bangkok. It will be my 1st time and I surely don't want to ruin the market for others.

P.S. Do girls charge extra for extra large cocks-I'm a lot bigger than normal.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1928573]Regular price at Thermae is 2000-2500 ST. I'm sure there are girls less than 2000 as well, especially near closing time when they want to seal a deal rather than move on to another venue. Seems like this girl wanted 1000 extra. The Farang upcharge may have only been from this girl as I do not believe the previous girls Syzy went with had this upcharge. Girls at Thermae can charge whatever they want. They are freelancers and some non pros.

Not implying this was the case for Syzy but often a girl throwing out a higher number may be because the girl was not interested in going with that particular customer. Did this girl express interest in you before you talked to her, Syzy?

The Farang surcharge isn't the big issue. Even worse is I am finding that many girls limit ST to 1 hour likely because they know they can turn over a Japanese guy in less than that. It is important to ask Thermae girls how long ST is.

Someone with Syzy's taste would definitely have a more difficult time finding a girl at Thermae than I would. Of the younger girls, there are definitely more post facial surgery girls made to look Japanese / Westernized than natural Thai look. It's why I can easily walk into Thermae and find 30-40 girls. I can't say that about any other place in Pattaya or Bangkok. The closest would be a VERY good night at Sensations in Pattaya or Baccara in Pattaya/Bangkok.

Uncle V told me the lineup was better after midnight than when you guys were there earlier.[/QUOTE]No, I didn't mean to imply that a "farang upcharge" or "farang surcharge" was a big issue in Thermae or to imply anyone should worry about paying more or less as in a price war discussion. My assessment is the same as yours; Regular price at Thermae is 2000-2500 ST.

And the girl Syzy spoke with that night, the one he was interested in enough to keep an eye on and approach so I assume she wasn't among the most homely girls in the room and more than likely one of the more attractive ones, a girl who had just bagged a (most likely) Japanese customer to boot, who also seemed fairly comfortable and "at home" in the place, pretty much confirmed (imo) with what she said to Syzy that her Japanese customers generally pay her that exact same regular rate as well; 2000-2500 ST. That is all I was trying to point out, unless Syzy had a detail to offer about what she said to him that he hadn't yet included. Looks like he didn't have any more info on it than that.

Good. As I said, at least from that particular Thermae girl's experience and revealed by her in far more fluent Thai than most other farang customers would ever engage with her, she confirmed that she is not aware that, according to the oft repeated complaint on many of these kinds of message boards, Japanese customers are throwing around wildly inflated amounts of baht above the regular 2000-2500 ST rate that almost anyone else who is not a Japanese would ordinarily pay in Thermae. That is all I was interested in exploring and pointing out in this instance.

Hahahaha I am sure they all do.

The girl in question was a waitress well dressed and not even a dancer, and in the beginning I was told no but a 5 minutes later she came and asked for BF for the place. Next day she asked half of what she had asked for first night. Hence my confusion about how it works. She is 30 plus. In Malaysia or Japan she goes with her bunch of friends, videos of them dancing at bsrs or drunk are posted.

And Most of the pictures are of her with a friend at a hotel or in a house with a lot of other girls.

As for the house yup surely will buying her one. If one reads my first post I had meant to say that she was diff as 100's of posts are how girls ask for money, for sick cow or loss of phone or something this one hadn't asked for anything till she was drunk and said buy me house. And am glad I mentioned it at least got a lot of feed back and did become an amusement for some. All good.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1928611]Yes and yes. It is all possible.

I've bumped into girls from Soi Cowboy's Shark in Impanema in Orchard Towers. They figure they have the possibility of getting perhaps THB 8 K ST in Singapore. After they realize this is rare, they may not go back. Or they may go back because they enjoyed not dancing on a stage. Who knows.

In HKG they may be a 141 girl in a room on a website where guys knock on the door, take a look and come in if they like what they see.

It could be they are taking to a brothel.

It could be that their other boyfriend (s) is taking them to these places so they have a girl by their side when on holiday. By the way, those others also get thank you for the money and gifts they are sending and some of them are contributing to that house your a building for her. It will be magnificent!

Everything is possible.[/QUOTE]

She works as a waitress in one of the clubs in Soi cowboy.

She was staying at some apartments in Malaysia. And another set of apartments in Japan.

Always goes with 2-3 of her best friends.

They seem to be having a great time. All pictures are either group eating or at a club where many men dancing around her or in a hotel.

She says she is staying with her friend. And that it's work. And that she has many men who like her but no boyfriend.

She's 33 yrs old.

No I don't need any details as such as I have known bhee for 2 nights just that sometimes after being with many one takes your breath away.

But as we all have experienced distances eventually fades away the longing.

It's not about the wet spot it was the over all experience.

Also once again I mentioned about a house etc when she was drunk but nowhere did I mention I am closing down my businesses and buying a house / shifting to Thailand or that I will marry her or keep her for years.

Am very curious about Thailand.

And she a well dressed waitress gets to say no and then accepts and eventually keeps going to countries on jobs. That''s all.

And I would be foolish to think that I am the only one.

But think this topic has been over stretched by me.

It's been fun reading all the replies.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1928613]Ask her where she is working in Malaysia. This can help us to explain what she is doing there. Kinky massage or KTV or Thai House. Give me her LINE ID and I'll check in on her for you next week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChinkChink;1928654]Can someone go over the price structure for sex services in Bangkok. It will be my 1st time and I surely don't want to ruin the market for others.

P.S. Do girls charge extra for extra large cocks-I'm a lot bigger than normal.[/QUOTE]Well I just got asked for extra by a girl because I was Western, call it a cock tax if you like. It means she is scared I will want to take too much of her valuable time and potentially pound her with a big cock for far too long. Japanese guys may pound hard too but that is considered less scary by the girls, due to dick size and shorter duration. It is true I fuck girls for too long, even if I am gentle by nature.

Generally girls do not ask for extra money for big cock. It is possible you will get just straight refusals. What is worse than that, is some girls will agree to fuck you, but when they see the hard on, they will get scared. This causes them to hold legs straight stiffly and prevent you from penetrating fully. So you can experience a bad fuck with girls whose legs have seized up. If girl likes cock, she will relax, spread legs wide, move with it, claw your back and pull your ass to make it deeper or ask you to go faster.

The percentage of working girls in Thailand that tell me they actually prefer big cock is quite low. The odd girl who liked me did say she could not have a boyfriend with a small one, but this is unusual occurrence. Big is mostly a disadvantage.

When girl is bored, she will ask you "when are you going to cum?

Most massage places these days have a fixed up front price that includes sex. You best start with this to get an idea what you can get for your money. Don't go to a bar and pay 8000 Baht for short time like one poor tourist that I met.

Read the forum. Plenty of price reports have occurred, even by me who normally avoids it.

[QUOTE=ChinkChink;1928654]Can someone go over the price structure for sex services in Bangkok. It will be my 1st time and I surely don't want to ruin the market for others.

P.S. Do girls charge extra for extra large cocks-I'm a lot bigger than normal.[/QUOTE]Aren't we getting deluded a bit about size here? Remember the vagina can deliver a full grown baby that is perhaps 5 times the length and girth of any cock.

[QUOTE=ChinkChink;1928654]Can someone go over the price structure for sex services in Bangkok. It will be my 1st time and I surely don't want to ruin the market for others.

P.S. Do girls charge extra for extra large cocks-I'm a lot bigger than normal.[/QUOTE]Don't worry: one man overpaying won't ruin the market. Even a thousand overpaying will not have any really lasting effect.

Pricing is very much dependent on a number of parameters:

* What services do you require?

* How long do you want to engage the girl's services (LT vs ST, one pop or multiple pops)?

* Where will you pick her up and where will you bring her?

* What kind of girl do you prefer (young or MILF, model quality or streetwalker, slim, curvy or chubby, . . .).

Very, very very roughly speaking (so rough it is almost useless), you might get get one pop ST session for as cheap as 1000 baht or do a LT multiple pops session for 10000 baht. I have had girls offer me ST for as much as 3500 baht plus barfine and some ladydrinks and had LT sessions for 3000 baht all included from agogo club girls.

There is a huge spectrum of services and prices on offer and as a first timer you are bound to pay some more than the veterans of this board, unless you go to venerable establishments such as Annie's or Snowwhite or Eden Club who work on a fixed tariff basis, no haggling required if you partake of the standard fare.

Reached Bangkok today in the evening. My flight was delayed at Yangon Airport due to heavy rain. Lots of people at the Don Mueang Airport. It took nearly 45 minutes to clear the immigration. Got delayed even more.

I had booked Maya at 101 Premiere Massage for 7.00 pm But had to cancel it as I could not reach on time. I was still at the hotel checking in and by the time I showered and got ready, it was already 8.00 pm.

Since I am staying near Nana, visited [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. The damage is still the same: THB 800 for BBBJ and CIM.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1928871]Well I just got asked for extra by a girl because I was Western, call it a cock tax if you like. It means she is scared I will want to take too much of her valuable time and potentially pound her with a big cock for far too long. Japanese guys may pound hard too but that is considered less scary by the girls, due to dick size and shorter duration. It is true I fuck girls for too long, even if I am gentle by nature.[/QUOTE]I didn't get the impression from everything important you included in your original report that the extra charge above the regular 2000-2500ST rate that Thermae girl asked of you had anything to do with your potential dick size. Instead, it seemed to me that your mistake was in deciding to "stir" her on your approach with the opening comment (joke?) "that was very quick", referring to the fact that by your assessment she had only spent about 20 minutes with the Japanese customer ahead of you.

You didn't say in your original report that the two of you then had a hearty laugh over your comment and you felt a warm and fuzzy bond growing between the two of you because of your little joke. Rather, you said her manner then was not exactly sweet, not sending you a possible GFE type feeling. The calculator in her noggin probably easily connected the dots about your "very quick" comment and she quite naturally (and rightly) assumed you were a farang that would expect something significantly longer than the usual 20-30 minutes she spends with her customers in those ST rooms upstairs and that is why she came up with that "farang upcharge" idea for you on the spot.

I think it is entirely possible, even probable, that if you had approached her without trying to stir her with the "that was very quick" comment or joke, with no immediate tipping of your hand at all about the length of time you expected her to spend with you on a ST and had just been your usual low-key charming self as you are in Crazy House and so on she would have responded to you more sweetly and never even considered charging you extra.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1928563]Hi,

I was wondering if staying at hotel Lebua is a total bust for mongering in that area? Is their enough to keep me busy around their until I move to the landmark? Want to try to stay at Lebua for New Years for a few days, and then move on! Any and all info on what to do in that area for 4 days or so would be great and appreciated![/QUOTE]I think my post got buried, any and all info on this will be great.

I think one factor not discussed often enough is age, likely because most posters on here are of the older variety. Let's keep in mind 50% of the Japanese guys at Thermae are likely under 30, many under 25. Whether we like it or not, we are not going to be able to compete with this at Thermae or in the real world. It has nothing to do with cock size. It has nothing to do with money. It has nothing to do with turning over a customer quicker. Most of the Thermae girls are well under 30 so imo they would choose a 25 year decent looking Japanese guy over a 50+ year old guy, Japanese or otherwise.

Hi all,

Myself and few friends are heading over to Bangkok and then Phucket end of October and staying 5 days in each. We are flying in to Suvarnabhumi Airport. We wanted to stay near the decent parts where its relatively walk able. We saw a few hotels such as Rembrandt and Boss Suite? Are these any good? Any recommendations would be excellent for Bangkok.

For Phuket we want to stay near Pattong Beach. So any recommendations as well would be fab.

In terms of the clubs. What do people recommend and where? For both Bangkok and Phucket?

Really looking forward to the trip but want to avoid the pitfalls.

Expect full review here on both locations.

RSP

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1928880]Aren't we getting deluded a bit about size here? Remember the vagina can deliver a full grown baby that is perhaps 5 times the length and girth of any cock.[/QUOTE]Very true, bur in those moments her body adapts to the task.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1928978]I think my post got buried, any and all info on this will be great.[/QUOTE]Try posting it in the Bangkok hotels thread. Better yet, how about reading the thread. As for the area, it's in the Silom area. Plenty of restaurants and some low key massage shops and near Patpong. However, we have these great things called taxis here. I would encourage you to read the forum by searching for Patpong.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1928563]
I was wondering if staying at hotel Lebua is a total bust for mongering in that area? Is their enough to keep me busy around their until I move to the landmark? Want to try to stay at Lebua for New Years for a few days, and then move on! Any and all info on what to do in that area for 4 days or so would be great and appreciated![/QUOTE]The Lebua Hotel is not in a red light neighborhood. That's the facts, Jack, but there are still plenty of bars around on lower Silom near the hotel and you can always try your luck while quenching your thirst. You might run into a rare FL or some Farang tourista girls looking for a good time. You never know.

But do not fret. This is BKK, so the good times are not that far away. As BKKdog suggests, your surest bet is to take a taxi to Patpong 2. You will find 3 or 4 decent Go Go's there. I and other board members have written a few reports. RTFF. Tip: Bada Bing.

Closer to the Lebua and for later at night, you can try the KU DE TA Club Lounge on the 39th Floor, Sathorn Square Complex, 98 North Sathorn Road. I think there was a name change a while back so you better research the subject on your own and find out the nights when the club is open. The girls that frequent this club are for the most part young and high class Thais looking for a good time drinking and dancing with their friends. I doubt you will find many pros or FL's here, but if you have some game and you are willing to buy a bottle, you might make some solid in-roads and wind up having a great time. Post a report if you go to KU DE TA or Patpong 2.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929004]I think one factor not discussed often enough is age, likely because most posters on here are of the older variety. Let's keep in mind 50% of the Japanese guys at Thermae are likely under 30, many under 25. Whether we like it or not, we are not going to be able to compete with this at Thermae or in the real world. It has nothing to do with cock size. It has nothing to do with money. It has nothing to do with turning over a customer quicker. Most of the Thermae girls are well under 30 so imo they would choose a 25 year decent looking Japanese guy over a 50+ year old guy, Japanese or otherwise.[/QUOTE]There is certainly some truth in what you say my friend.

It's tough for everyone to admit they are getting older and less attractive to the ladies. Easier to blame it on other things.

However I have also been turned down flat by young girls who have then beamed at an Asian guy I know is at least a couple decades older than me.

Its very tough to say because there are so few younger falang guys in Thermae. I don't remember ever seeing a falang there younger than me, and I am on the wrong side of 40 myself (though I pass for mod to late 30's).

But I am sure age is a factor with some girls there. We just don't have enough data to establish the relative weight of age vs ethnicity in girls preferences. We need some younger white guys from the board go there and post their experiences.

Problem for me at Thermae is not getting a good looking girl there but not getting the stunner I want. 555. Bad for the ego when she is later picked up by an Asian grandpa. 555.

But if you are willing to take the lumps to your ego and exercise some patience Thermae can be very rewarding.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1929066]
It's tough for everyone to admit they are getting older and less attractive to the ladies. Easier to blame it on other things.

However I have also been turned down flat by young girls who have then beamed at an Asian guy I know is at least a couple decades older than me.

Problem for me at Thermae is not getting a good looking girl there but not getting the stunner I want. 555. Bad for the ego when she is later picked up by an Asian grandpa. 555..[/QUOTE]Youth is wasted on the young Uncle V. I don't regret my age. Sure, when I was in my 20's girls gave themselves to me for free. That was nice cause my funds back then were rather limited. Now I pay, but I still have lots of good times. Same same but different. Some of my girls tell me they like "man my age." 555. I know its BS, but they lie to make me happy so I will keep seeing them and that is a good thing.

The most amazing and disgusting display I ever saw of Asian girl discrimination used to occur regularly at the old Lisboa race track in Macau before the authorities closed it down. On many nights I saw the spectacle of gorgeous young Chinese girls literally throwing themselves at tottering old Chinese guys in their 70's with tobacco stained, rotting teeth and snot dripping down their noses while virtually ignoring cool, debonair moi. I like to think of myself as suave older American version of a young Alain Delon. 555. Anyway, you have to have a sense of humor about these things otherwise you will go mad.

Nice to see you are still out and about Uncle V. Stay thirsty.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1929076]Youth is wasted on the young Uncle V. I don't regret my age. Sure, when I was in my 20's girls gave themselves to me for free. That was nice cause my funds back then were rather limited. Now I pay, but I still have lots of good times. Same same but different. Some of my girls tell me they like "man my age." 555. I know its BS, but they lie to make me happy so I will keep seeing them and that is a good thing.

The most amazing and disgusting display I ever saw of Asian girl discrimination used to occur regularly at the old Lisboa race track in Macau before the authorities closed it down. On many nights I saw the spectacle of gorgeous young Chinese girls literally throwing themselves at tottering old Chinese guys in their 70's with tobacco stained, rotting teeth and snot dripping down their noses while virtually ignoring cool, debonair moi. I like to think of myself as suave older American version of a young Alain Delon. 555. Anyway, you have to have a sense of humor about these things otherwise you will go mad.

Nice to see you are still out and about Uncle V. Stay thirsty.[/QUOTE]Alan Delon reference!

Love you Natty. That's how I imagine you too.

Yea you have to have a sense of humor about this. Important thing is we are still getting some good young puntang. The hows and whys are not so important.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1929066]

However I have also been turned down flat by young girls who have then beamed at an Asian guy I know is at least a couple decades older than me.[/QUOTE]

and I've been turned down as well when I stare at a girl I want yet she is more concerned about her cell phone or won't look at me as I approach.

This is my opinion on the Thermae girl hierarchy of customers:

1. Japanese guy under 30.
2. Japanese guy 30-50.
3. Japanese guy over 50.
4. other Asian guy under 30.
5. other Asian guy 30-50.
6. other Asian guy over 50.
7. Farang under 30.
8, Farang 30-50.
9. Farang over 50.
10. Guy with wife beater shirt.
11. All others.

As you can see, Asian grandpa beats you, Uncle V!

I'm only joking on the above but I'm sure there is some merit to it.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1929062]Try posting it in the Bangkok hotels thread. Better yet, how about reading the thread. As for the area, it's in the Silom area. Plenty of restaurants and some low key massage shops and near Patpong. However, we have these great things called taxis here. I would encourage you to read the forum by searching for Patpong.[/QUOTE]Thanks, in all do respect I asked nothing at all about a hotel, location was my concern,you sound like you want to help but you to good for me, I've been reading for days and the question I asked after reading is what I can't find because I'll never be as smart as you, if you read right I think I know where in staying! Just not that particular area.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1929065]The Lebua Hotel is not in a red light neighborhood. That's the facts, Jack, but there are still plenty of bars around on lower Silom near the hotel and you can always try your luck while quenching your thirst. You might run into a rare FL or some Farang tourista girls looking for a good time. You never know.

But do not fret. This is BKK, so the good times are not that far away. As BKKdog suggests, your surest bet is to take a taxi to Patpong 2. You will find 3 or 4 decent Go Go's there. I and other board members have written a few reports. RTFF. Tip: Bada Bing.

Closer to the Lebua and for later at night, you can try the KU DE TA Club Lounge on the 39th Floor, Sathorn Square Complex, 98 North Sathorn Road. I think there was a name change a while back so you better research the subject on your own and find out the nights when the club is open. The girls that frequent this club are for the most part young and high class Thais looking for a good time drinking and dancing with their friends. I doubt you will find many pros or FL's here, but if you have some game and you are willing to buy a bottle, you might make some solid in-roads and wind up having a great time. Post a report if you go to KU DE TA or Patpong 2.[/QUOTE]Got it now I know the lay of the land better, will do some more research now that I have a better feel for the hotel location a little better, not really my first choice to stay but thinking this hotel would be awesome (if not the best place) to bring in New Years 62 story's up over looking the river and city, thanks so much for your input! And then to landmark witch that area is a no brainier ' LOL if pull this off I'll have about 6 weeks to kill.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929110]and I've been turned down as well when I stare at a girl I want yet she is more concerned about her cell phone or won't look at me as I approach.

This is my opinion on the Thermae girl hierarchy of customers:

1. Japanese guy under 30.
2. Japanese guy 30-50.
3. Japanese guy over 50.
4. other Asian guy under 30.
5. other Asian guy 30-50.
6. other Asian guy over 50.
7. Farang under 30.
8, Farang 30-50.
9. Farang over 50.
10. Guy with wife beater shirt.
11. All others.

As you can see, Asian grandpa beats you, Uncle V!

I'm only joking on the above but I'm sure there is some merit to it.[/QUOTE]Not really a joke. That's spot on. I miss the old Thermae before the Asian dudes stampeded it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929110]and I've been turned down as well when I stare at a girl I want yet she is more concerned about her cell phone or won't look at me as I approach.

This is my opinion on the Thermae girl hierarchy of customers:

1. Japanese guy under 30.
2. Japanese guy 30-50.
3. Japanese guy over 50.
4. other Asian guy under 30.
5. other Asian guy 30-50.
6. other Asian guy over 50.
7. Farang under 30.
8, Farang 30-50.
9. Farang over 50.
10. Guy with wife beater shirt.
11. All others.

As you can see, Asian grandpa beats you, Uncle V!

I'm only joking on the above but I'm sure there is some merit to it.[/QUOTE]5555.

At least I still beat out wife beater tank top guy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929004]I think one factor not discussed often enough is age, likely because most posters on here are of the older variety. Let's keep in mind 50% of the Japanese guys at Thermae are likely under 30, many under 25. Whether we like it or not, we are not going to be able to compete with this at Thermae or in the real world. It has nothing to do with cock size. It has nothing to do with money. It has nothing to do with turning over a customer quicker. Most of the Thermae girls are well under 30 so imo they would choose a 25 year decent looking Japanese guy over a 50+ year old guy, Japanese or otherwise.[/QUOTE]Age is a huge factor, and among Asian punters the lower ages are represented quite well. Lots of young Asian dudes out to have a good time. Too many of the young farangs are way to "politically correct" to take advantage of the P4 P scene. Poor boys.

The age range has for sure gotten younger. When I moved here in 99 at 34 yrs old, I was by far one of the youngest dudes on the scene. And there were almost no young Asian guys. Now that is not the case.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1929065]Closer to the Lebua and for later at night, you can try the KU DE TA Club Lounge on the 39th Floor, Sathorn Square Complex, 98 North Sathorn Road. I think there was a name change a while back so you better research the subject on your own and find out the nights when the club is open. The girls that frequent this club are for the most part young and high class Thais looking for a good time drinking and dancing with their friends. I doubt you will find many pros or FL's here, but if you have some game and you are willing to buy a bottle, you might make some solid in-roads and wind up having a great time. Post a report if you go to KU DE TA or Patpong 2.[/QUOTE]I known a retired Hooker who used to go there (Kudeta) and probably still does. She probably did not go there to make money, only to party.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1928966]I didn't get the impression from everything important you included in your original report that the extra charge above the regular 2000-2500ST rate that Thermae girl asked of you had anything to do with your potential dick size. Instead, it seemed to me that your mistake was in deciding to "stir" her on your approach with the opening comment (joke?) "that was very quick", referring to the fact that by your assessment she had only spent about 20 minutes with the Japanese customer ahead of you.

You didn't say in your original report that the two of you then had a hearty laugh over your comment and you felt a warm and fuzzy bond growing between the two of you because of your little joke. Rather, you said her manner then was not exactly sweet, not sending you a possible GFE type feeling. The calculator in her noggin probably easily connected the dots about your "very quick" comment and she quite naturally (and rightly) assumed you were a farang that would expect something significantly longer than the usual 20-30 minutes she spends with her customers in those ST rooms upstairs and that is why she came up with that "farang upcharge" idea for you on the spot.

I think it is entirely possible, even probable, that if you had approached her without trying to stir her with the "that was very quick" comment or joke, with no immediate tipping of your hand at all about the length of time you expected her to spend with you on a ST and had just been your usual low-key charming self as you are in Crazy House and so on she would have responded to you more sweetly and never even considered charging you extra.[/QUOTE]No hearty laugh. She did not like my joke I would guess.

Yes indeed, I was referring to the Surcharge for wanting to take a long time, added to a possible pounding (which would not have happened). If you read my post again, I think you will see clearly I thought the extra charge was for perceived extra time as the dominant reason. Mind you I am only guessing the reason. I did indicate Japanese were considered good, due to short duration.

If she thought to give me a quicky, I certainly needed to indicate we would not be compatible. 60 minutes is my minimum time. I also do not want girls that are potentially dick scared, since that is the biggest cause of seriously bad sessions in my experience.

Hi all,

I visited Bangkok for only Mongering purposes for 5 days from 25-29 Aug. First of all thanks to the all the members contributing to the forums. I took the pointers by RTFF. I chose the hotel admiral premier which is a GF hotel and also on its proximity to cowboy.

Day 1. Landed and reached the hotel around 12. Immediately went to see snow white as vetted by the veterans. Chose Nuru, the massage was nothing to write home about. The girl was very co-operative did whatever I asked for, but since this was first time, I was doing things mostly, did a 2 hour sessions with her, cost me 2700 baht came twice. We did WOT, missionary, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggy, spanked her a lot. The girl was a 6 cute face though. Tipped her 200.

Night time I tried to enter crazy house, The presumptuous rat asked me for 500 baht entry, which I being new to the scene paid also but returned me 400 tipping himself 100. I asked for all my money back and left for Bacarra, which also denied me entry citing private member club only. I think it was more because I am Indian.

Was very disappointed, checked the whole strip of Soi cowboy, decided to enter cowboy 2 club, girls are young but are max 7 one or two being 7 and all. Enjoyed myself for two hour, chatted with two of them paid for their LD, did not feel the vibe with any girl, left.

Went to Shark there were 4 whom I liked, paid LD for two of them, the coyote really impressed me, established good vibe with her, quoted 6000 baht LT, came down to 4500 baht and 1500 BF. Left with her had two sessions, in night and morning not rushed at all, BBBJ, CG, RCG, Doggy, missionary, kissed very little though. Lookwise she was hot at 8, pleasing personality took good care of me. Natural boobs see cup, firm skin, very tight body.

Day 2- Had very little juice left in me, did my own things, at night went to Crazy house again, again got quoted 500 for entry, was not interested but saw an Indian group convincing them they will order bottle of liquor and this that, they got entry. Left for climax.

Climax Awesome environment, party in fool swing, awesome in house band, everybody was having good time. But girls were mostly 5 and lower, was not interested at all. Hardly anyone 6. Spent 1. 5 hrs checking things out drinking. Left at 1:30 for cowboy.

Shark everything same, different girl established good vibe with her, paid for a LD, quoted 6 k came down to 5 but said no to BBBJ. I was not very keen so left it there. No girls 2nd day. She was a 7+ lookwise, looked very similar to somebody I know.

Day 3.

Very horny in morning. Went to snow white, picked a girl for 1 HR, lookwise 6, boobs silicon, had an awesome PSE with her. BBBJ, CG, RCG, doggy, ass, came almost in her mouth but she pulled in the end.

Night decided to check out Nana, I'd rate this higher than cowboy for gogo. Checked out Billboard.

Billboard the place was packed with crowd, but the girls were not to my liking, had one drink and left for Rainbow 4.

Rainbow 4, awesome lineup, preferred by Japs and Me, the girls are very cute and hot at same time. But being Indian 2-3 girls refused to even come to me, they are only eyeing Japs. Established good chemistry with a hot one, she was 7+ lookwise, cute good height and hot. Left with her for 4 k LT + BF 700. Had very good session, good kissing, vibes, BBBJ, and everything else. She was fun mostly.

Day 4- only left at night directly to Mandarin at Nana. Girls not to my liking, had one drink and left, mamasan extracted tip under some premise, I did not like that.

Rainbow 4 again almost the same lineup, the tallest girl was the hottest, she refused again. Talked to a cute one with black hair, no chemistry asked for 3 k ST politely refused. Spoke to another beauty preferred by JAPS, she was very nice, good chemistry, said no kissing and no BBBJ, quoted same 3 k for ST. Since the chemistry was so good, agreed to her offer. Session was awesome, very bad and heavy boobs, but she was a minx, full of energy, tried everything all the poses, gave her best, I was not cumming so she let me kiss her too, her attitude was awesome. Spent some more time at rainbow watching paying for more LDs and left at 2:30.

Day 5- went to beer garden at 3 pm, no girls above 4 and oldies. If you want young ones 20-30 please avoid. Left for chrome, had a good session with a girl. She was 6- lookwise. But was fun talkative and performed excellently, BBBJ, CG, RCG, doggy, no ass, came in her mouth. Very co-operative and did everything I asked for.

Learning.

Drinks at gGgo will cost you 1000-1500 baht for 2-3 hrs.

FL girls are 5 and below lookwise.

Sky train is awesome, get a hang of it early.

Stay near Nana or cowboy, not in between.

Oilies are good for sexual satisfaction.

Gogos are good to get very hot and cute girls, but chemistry will matter.

Have a good time.

[QUOTE=IndianRomeo;1929297]Hi all,

I visited Bangkok for only Mongering purposes for 5 days from 25-29 Aug. First of all thanks to the all the members contributing to the forums. I took the pointers by RTFF. I chose the hotel admiral premier which is a GF hotel and also on its proximity to cowboy.

Day 1. Landed and reached the hotel around 12. Immediately went to see snow white as vetted by the veterans. Chose Nuru, the massage was nothing to write home about. The girl was very co-operative did whatever I asked for, but since this was first time, I was doing things mostly, did a 2 hour sessions with her, cost me 2700 baht came twice. We did WOT, missionary, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggy, spanked her a lot. The girl was a 6 cute face though. Tipped her 200.

Night time I tried to enter crazy house, The presumptuous rat asked me for 500 baht entry, which I being new to the scene paid also but returned me 400 tipping himself 100. I asked for all my money back and left for Bacarra, which also denied me entry citing private member club only. I think it was more because I am Indian.

Was very disappointed, checked the whole strip of Soi cowboy, decided to enter cowboy 2 club, girls are young but are max 7 one or two being 7 and all. Enjoyed myself for two hour, chatted with two of them paid for their LD, did not feel the vibe with any girl, left....[/QUOTE]I think the place for you to visit next time is shock, you'll get a mix of that and Uzbek girls. Can easily find some diamonds there. And since it's full of Indians you will be treated with respect. A lot of that places cater to white skin and don't bother with Indians. I'm going to be in BKK this weekend but it's my 6 the trip and have some gens waiting.

I really liked Crazy House up to 6 months ago. Not any more. Lacking really pretty natural faces. 60% surgeries girls. Really ugly shows start 9. 30 pm down stairs.

Boom 28 and Off 3 still look good. But not much else.

Caused me to go to Suzi where only 6 slim girls. Chose Knot weighs 38 Kg. Very sexy for me. Known her for at least 4 years. Noo Dee was visiting with BF. She does not work anymore. Other slim girls were Pat, Yao, Dtom, Pui, Bam. Fabulous GFE. Got her Line contact. She looks hot having lost weight given up smoking and drinks less. Tits small and a liitle saggy is only weakness.

[QUOTE=IndianRomeo;1929297]Hi all,

I visited Bangkok for only Mongering purposes for 5 days from 25-29 Aug. First of all thanks to the all the members contributing to the forums. I took the pointers by RTFF. I chose the hotel admiral premier which is a GF hotel and also on its proximity to cowboy...[/QUOTE]IR, Thanks for the report. I enjoyed reading it and I was glad to see that you had a good time despite all the difficulties you encountered.

At times, Thai folks think I am Indian, even though I look more Latin than Indian. I have experienced practically every incident you described in your report, in the 20 or so trips I have taken to Thailand. Over time, I learned to look past people judgments, and as a result I started enjoying my time there, and I still do.

[QUOTE=IndianRomeo;1929297]...FL girls are 5 and below lookwise...[/QUOTE]Sorry, I meant to comment on the above and I forgot. I assume you mean Free Lancers. Well, I disagree with you there. In the last few years, they have been my goto girls. They tend to be younger, nicer, more willing to please, and generally less expensive. If you take your time, you can find some eye candy there.

Keep in mind that those GoGo girls, who look so hot dancing in the club, look a lot less glamorous outside. I must have met 200+ girls over all my travel, about half of them gogo girls. I still take one or two such girls in every trip, but no more.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1929065]The Lebua Hotel is not in a red light neighborhood. That's the facts, Jack, but there are still plenty of bars around on lower Silom near the hotel and you can always try your luck while quenching your thirst. You might run into a rare FL or some Farang tourista girls looking for a good time. You never know.

But do not fret. This is BKK, so the good times are not that far away. As BKKdog suggests, your surest bet is to take a taxi to Patpong 2. You will find 3 or 4 decent Go Go's there. I and other board members have written a few reports. RTFF. Tip: Bada Bing.

Closer to the Lebua and for later at night, you can try the KU DE TA Club Lounge on the 39th Floor, Sathorn Square Complex, 98 North Sathorn Road. I think there was a name change a while back so you better research the subject on your own and find out the nights when the club is open. The girls that frequent this club are for the most part young and high class Thais looking for a good time drinking and dancing with their friends. I doubt you will find many pros or FL's here, but if you have some game and you are willing to buy a bottle, you might make some solid in-roads and wind up having a great time. Post a report if you go to KU DE TA or Patpong 2.[/QUOTE]Ku De Ta is now named Ce La Vi. I've been a couple of times and there were plenty of free lancers availble.

IndianRomeo, I enjoyed reading your report too. Interestingly, I see you had a two pretty good experiences at RB4 and not so good ones at Baccara or Crazy. A few years back I witnessed a smartly dressed Indian guy refused admittance to RB4. He shrugged it off with out batting an eye. That was a class act in my opinion. Never let them see your true feelings. By the way, what does WOT stand for?

[QUOTE=Ivanba;1929544]Ku De Ta is now named Ce La Vi. I've been a couple of times and there were plenty of free lancers availble.[/QUOTE]Good to know. I will make a note of it and will plan to go there next time I am in town. Thanks Ivanba.

Is Wednesday still ladies night with free wine drinks?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1929545]By the way, what does WOT stand for?[/QUOTE]Woman On Top.

SL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1929545]By the way, what does WOT stand for?[/QUOTE]Walk on testicles? Perhaps woman on top or woman of temerity (not dick-scared per Syzygies).

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1926490]Got my ticket to BKK. Looked around a while and found a great deal on Korean Air, which had the shortest travel time, as well. However, it puts me in BKK at 11 PM (that's 23:00). I had hoped to pop inside some Thai girl the night I arrived. But, I understand there could be a long line through customs and a significant cab ride at that hour. Any idea of a time frame when it will take me to reach a hotel on Sukhumvit that late? And what would be good entry level mongering options at that time? I am considering Ruamchitt Plaza for a few nights, as it appears to have a lot going on in the immediate proximity and close to the BTS. I'm not sure if I should dive headfirst into Nana the day I hit the ground. Or do others think that is easy enough? I understand there are some cheaper hotels in the area, which might be good for a night and a ST experience. Yeah, I know there some things get going at the hour, particularly the discos. But again, I wonder if that is something you can just dive into.

It has occurred to me that after 26 hours on a plane in coach, my 6'4" body might be a wreck, and may need a massage. But, aren't those places done by midnight?[/QUOTE]After a trip like that I usually feel wired and need a couple drinks. If it were me and I were ready before 1 AM I'd probably take the 5 minute taxi ride to Spasso (Hyatt hotel on Rajdamri). Spasso closes around 2. If Spasso doesn't work out then walk over or hop in a taxi to Mixx (intercontinental hotel on Chidlom). People start showing up there around 1 and it peaks between 2:30-3:00.

Nice report IndianRomeo, thanks for taking the time to report. I'm not surprised one bit that you eventually had a good time. It is almost impossible for the horny and energetic amongst us to fail in BKK. If you just persevere, you will eventually find a beautiful woman to sooth your senses, and a little more than that.

I (like others, perhaps) am a little surprised by you not liking the selection at Climaxx. I have found that to be a really rich source of talent in BKK. The girls are much more relaxed, much more fun, and generally easier to talk to than gogo girls. It's just that they are not scantily clad, which makes judging their bodies a little harder. But in a sense, that adds to the interest.

But as I say, in the end you still found your groove, so all is good.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1929546]Good to know. I will make a note of it and will plan to go there next time I am in town. Thanks Ivanba.

Is Wednesday still ladies night with free wine drinks?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure. I've been on weekends. I know Mixx still has their ladies night on Wednesdays.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1929556]I (like others, perhaps) am a little surprised by you not liking the selection at Climaxx. I have found that to be a really rich source of talent in BKK. [/QUOTE]What is peak time to find the best selection at Climaxx? Want to check it out this weekend.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929559]What is peak time to find the best selection at Climaxx? Want to check it out this weekend.[/QUOTE]There are different peak times, actually. I've had some spectacular success at three time periods, but they are all different in the kind of girl you find.

[B]Early - ~11pm to ~12:30am[/B]

If you arrive before midnight, you will be pretty lonely since Climaxx is kind of quiet at that time. But you will get a table, and you can sit and sip your drink of choice, and maybe put your head down into your phone and do your own thing for a while. As girls arrive, they will spy you, you will spy them, and then a quiet connection can be made. You can often make a pick at that time of the night, do a quickie back at the hotel and be out for a second round by 2 am or so. I've done this 3-4 times over the years, though I find it hard to get my act together in time to arrive early. Also, you will need to spend at least an hour cooling your heels, so if you are not the patient kind, I would not recommend arriving this early. Nonetheless, if your schedule requires it, I think it's important to note that Climaxx is do-able early. Girls on this period tend to be perky, eager, and will be happy to do ST and bolt, which has worked for me in the past.

[B]Mezzo Tempo - ~1am to ~3am[/B]

I would say this is the closest you can get to a peak time. On weekends this will be the real crush time, when there won't be enough room to even move. I avoid this time on weekends, but on weekdays it is perfect, and is usually the time I arrive. I usually aim for a 1am arrival, and I can reliably be out of there by 2 am if I put my mind to it (in June I arrived just after 1am, and was back in the hotel by 1:50am, see bottom of this post for link to that report) . There tends to be a wave of girls that arrive at around 2 am (perhaps closures at other places), and then one later wave of girls too, which leads to the third 'peak' time. But people hook up during this time and you tend to see a thinning of the crowd around 2:30 am, before the final wave of girls arrives later in the morning. Girls in this period are all varied. But they are the bread and butter of Climaxx, so you should be able to find something to your liking. I recommend you aim for a 1-2am arrival.

[B]Late - ~4amish[/B]

The last wave of reinforcements, coupled with the desperation of not finding a customer makes this a good time to go fishing at Climaxx. I tend to be tired by that time of the morning, so I have not done this for a while, but after discussions with a couple of girls in June, they told me that it is not uncommon for hookups to occur at that time of the morning. The dancing can go on to 5 am, but you can (and perhaps should) close the deal before that. Besides the fatigue factor, I find that it is a little risky to leave things this late, since if (for whatever reason) you don't find something to your taste, then you are out of luck for the night. Girls in this period are really all sorts too, but they may very well be more eager to close the deal since it is later in the night. But they are not as desperate as you might think, so don't expect the 1000 baht ST deal to be easily accepted. Also, they have been on their feet all night (in all likelihood), and likely tanked full of cheap Bacardi coolers, and that matters back in the room. I've had a couple of girls pass out in the room, and I had to take a rain check for the next night.

So in sum, for me, the prime time is 1 am, but you could really arrive at other times and reliably find some good talent.

Note that other competitor clubs like Mixx close earlier than Climaxx, so a smart strategy might be to hit Mixx first and if you find no one, follow one of the girls over to Climaxx. Happy hunting Banana Boi, I look forward to reading about your exploits.

Link to my report from June on Climaxx: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1891337&viewfull=1#post1891337

Strange how tastes vary. In Crazy House a buddy commented that a girl was cute. She had the most face surgeries in the place. This meant she reminded me of a ladyboy or an alien. Even the body was a bit straightish for my taste. I could admit her tits looked good enough. That was all.

I ended up with a girl with better face, better waist, better ass, only weaker tits. Tits were still soft and OK for me.

[QUOTE=IndianRomeo;1929297]
Night time I tried to enter crazy house, The presumptuous rat asked me for 500 baht entry, which I being new to the scene paid also but returned me 400 tipping himself 100. I asked for all my money back and left for Bacarra, which also denied me entry citing private member club only. I think it was more because I am Indian.

Was very disappointed, checked the whole strip of Soi cowboy, decided to enter cowboy 2 club, girls are young but are max 7 one or two being 7 and all. Enjoyed myself for two hour, chatted with two of them paid for their LD, did not feel the vibe with any girl, left.

Went to Shark there were 4 whom I liked, paid LD for two of them, the coyote really impressed me, established good vibe with her, quoted 6000 baht LT, came down to 4500 baht and 1500 BF. Left with her had two sessions, in night and morning not rushed at all, BBBJ, CG, RCG, Doggy, missionary, kissed very little though. Lookwise she was hot at 8, pleasing personality took good care of me. Natural boobs see cup, firm skin, very tight body.

Day 2- Had very little juice left in me, did my own things, at night went to Crazy house again, again got quoted 500 for entry, was not interested but saw an Indian group convincing them they will order bottle of liquor and this that, they got entry. Left for climax.
.[/QUOTE]I think it is an over simplification, by others, to assume that discrimination is based solely on skin colour. CH has had some darker skin customers.

I am discriminated against by some girls in Thermae. Its not due to my skin colour. I have also been requested to buy a drink before entering Baccara. It might be that they assumed I would be a waist of space and not spend much money which was correct.

I believe the 500 Baht is a sort of test to find if you will spend money. Getting 400 back would be reasonable if you like the place (currently it is not great for me). Indians do have a reputation of being able to sit on one drink for the full duration. Japanese and Farangs do not have this reputation. The place needs customers that spend money. This is not the only factor but a significant one to take into account. I don't to go into all factors right now. I am sure I have covered it before.

Your report indicated that Indians who do spend money, will be admitted. Skin colour is no big deal I think. It is more a case of generalising on usefullness on the customers of this race.

Maybe Indians also have a reputation for not buying girls drinks as well or maybe just the girls stay away.

At Thermae, a girl did not want to talk to me. I don't know exactly why she does not like me. Her choice. I just have to find one that does want me.

I have met plenty of guys who do not take dark skin girls and Never black girls. Some do not like Asian girls. I don't know why. It is just their mental conditioning I guess. Personally I like black girls too.

[QUOTE=IndianRomeo;1929297]
Have a good time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report, IR! Will be in BKK in 3 weeks and just taking notes.

Thanks for the times to check out Climaxx, Kumbu. I guess I will fall into the "Late" category there as my main focus will be a Thermae girl before 10 pm and another before they close at 1 am. That will leave my arrival time at Climaxx or any other club after 3 am.

From what I'm hearing these girls at Climaxx, Mixx, Levels, etc. are not cheap, even late. I am thinking I may be better off staying LT with my 2nd Thermae girl or Line one of the Thermae girls I have been with in the past.

Saw 5 East Indian guys turned away from one of the popular Walking Street gogo clubs last night, not because they were East Indian rather because 2 in the group had flip flops on. The bouncer just kept pointing to their feet when the guys asked why they couldn't enter. I know East indian guys are allowed in this club so they truly were not denied due to skin color, rather their selection of footwear.

Different cultures and social norms have to be recognized and accepted as explanations of different behaviors. Problem is what should happen when these differences are inconsistent and alien to that of another country being visited. Answer, you change and respect local values. Do all nationalities? Unfortunately not. If you ask any working girl which nationality they find difficult to deal with invariably and consistently at least in my experience they point the finger at customers from particular countries. The sad outcome of this reality is now everybody from these same countries is viewed in the same way. Shouldn't happen but difficult to see how it can be any other way.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1929066]
But I am sure age is a factor with some girls there. We just don't have enough data to establish the relative weight of age vs ethnicity in girls preferences. We need some younger white guys from the board go there and post their experiences.
.[/QUOTE]Well at mid / late 30's I may only be #8 in line but I will make the sacrifice for everyone next week and see what kind of reaction I get from the girls. In May I did my first stop at thermae and took an ok girl, was one of those just average experiences. My first time through I didn't notice many girls clearly not trying to engage, but also can't recall that many really trying to get my attention either. One thing I did find awkward I want to ask for some input on some more seasoned therma regulars is the conversation piece. I am used to the girl sitting with you in the gogo and making small talk and sharing a drink. But at thermae none of the girls drink and I was a bit lost at what to say to them beyond Hello, my name, and do you want to go? It just seemed strange to me to stand in front of them and try to have a conversation. Am I missing something here? What kind of discussion do you have with the girl to get a feeling for her and such?

I am only in town for a quick week and most of it is scheduled with regulars, but have 2 days for exploration so planning on hitting billboard, thermae, and maybe climax. Plus some oilies of course.

Given that most of the Thermae clientele are Japanese who aren't interested in any decent conversation. Within a few seconds of them approaching a girl she is grabbing her purse and off they go. I think this is what the girls are used to there. If you're an entertaining sort of guy I guess the Thermae girls will engage in a bit of conversation. The longest chat I have had was over 15 minutes with a pretty cool girl. She kept talking to me even after I said no. Unfortunately, not my taste physically. One thing you can try if you feel awkward standing there talking to a girl is ask if you can sit together in one of the dining booths, maybe even ordering some food which isn't that awful in Thermae. They may be hesitant of this since they don't want to lose their spot especially if it's wall to wall girls.

good luck and looking forward to hearing how your #8 ranking goes. As Uncle V says, we're ahead of the guy with the wife beater shirt!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929612]Saw 5 East Indian guys turned away from one of the popular Walking Street gogo clubs last night, not because they were East Indian rather because 2 in the group had flip flops on. The bouncer just kept pointing to their feet when the guys asked why they couldn't enter. I know East indian guys are allowed in this club so they truly were not denied due to skin color, rather their selection of footwear.[/QUOTE]Thais claim that wearing flip flops is disrespectful. Can't say I understand it, but I never wear them. I do wear sandals and have been refused entry for that, to some places (not gogos). Interestingly, the Thais wearing sandals were not refused entry to one place, so it is not disrespectful for Thais to wear sandals. Feet are considered dirty in Thai culture, and of course they could be having walked through a muddy puddle, but who cares? The Thais do.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1929622]Well at mid / late 30's I may only be #8 in line but I will make the sacrifice for everyone next week and see what kind of reaction I get from the girls. In May I did my first stop at thermae and took an ok girl, was one of those just average experiences. My first time through I didn't notice many girls clearly not trying to engage, but also can't recall that many really trying to get my attention either. One thing I did find awkward I want to ask for some input on some more seasoned therma regulars is the conversation piece. I am used to the girl sitting with you in the gogo and making small talk and sharing a drink. But at thermae none of the girls drink and I was a bit lost at what to say to them beyond Hello, my name, and do you want to go? It just seemed strange to me to stand in front of them and try to have a conversation. Am I missing something here? What kind of discussion do you have with the girl to get a feeling for her and such?

I am only in town for a quick week and most of it is scheduled with regulars, but have 2 days for exploration so planning on hitting billboard, thermae, and maybe climax. Plus some oilies of course.[/QUOTE]You approach the women at Thermae the same way you would freelancer on Soi 4; "Hello, how much for you? Simple as that. If you to come to terms with the gal you can start chit-chatting from there. Thermae certainly isn't the type place a guy who loves beer bars would go. I have, however, had a few legitimate conversations with a few guys while at Thermae all but one time they were Westerners (the other being a Korean that loved hard rock so we talked about music).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929609]Thanks for the times to check out Climaxx, Kumbu. I guess I will fall into the "Late" category there as my main focus will be a Thermae girl before 10 pm and another before they close at 1 am. That will leave my arrival time at Climaxx or any other club after 3 am.

From what I'm hearing these girls at Climaxx, Mixx, Levels, etc. are not cheap, even late. I am thinking I may be better off staying LT with my 2nd Thermae girl or Line one of the Thermae girls I have been with in the past.[/QUOTE]The girls at Climax ask reasonable prices. I don't know where you heard different. It certainly was not from many of us on this forum. They can be had for anywhere from 2,000-3,500ST / LT. I have never paid more than 2,500ST and 4,000 LT. Clubs like Mixx and Levels however will have ladies asking 5-6 K.

How do guys rate the overall mongering scene?

I normally rate how good a time I am having by the number of girl repeat sessions. In last two weeks plus, I have repeated only 4 times, 1 freelancer, 3 bargirls and zero MP girl repeats. Quite a few miscellaneous girls tried but not repeated. The 3 bargirl repeats were the best sessions for the two weeks. However this is very low for me. I am short of regulars available right now. Too many disappeared in the space of 3 months.

I wonder what motivates other guys to just keep changing girls all the time and how many sessions are considered really great. Or are you guys never happy with what you got?

Thanks for the encouraging words everyone.

#Natty I meant women on Top by WOT. I was a little discouraged in the beginning because this was for the first time I was facing something like that.

#Syjgies I understand we might have spoiled our own reputation by sitting on one drink over the entire duration, but I just asked him for drinks coupon worth 500 baht for the entry charge he was taking from me. He refused that and since I was mongering alone, I was not in capacity to buy the whole bottle. I almost spent 1500 baht in clubs everyday over my and lady drinks, even on day when I did not take anybody home.

I was always dressed nicely with shoes, so certainly not refused because of my attire.

What to talk to them?

Ask them where they are from in Thailand, let them guess yours, compliment them on whatever you liked about their appearance, some have tattoo, do they like dancing, tickle them, keep laughing, make an effort to establish chemistry, hold their hand, ask if they want a drink. Compliment whatever you liked about Bangkok. Clubbing, food, music, girls.

The really cute one won't lower their charge much, but if you establish chemistry, you will get very good service in room.

The last gogo girl in her 3-4 years of gogo work had bought a home for herself in Bangkok fully paid, and a Camry too. So money they are less bothered about, be nice to them they will repay you by their service.

Negotiation is very subjective, but cute ones will not very much.

Visited Snow White last night. Picked Audi due to her attractive face. The ladies were all wearing jeans last night. Opted for the 90min Nuru, (only because I've never tried Nuru.) In the room, Audi was very affectionate, lots of DFK, her body was a bit lacking. It was not what I was expecting. She was thicker than I had imagined. Her clothes hid this fact. Big tat on her left thigh, bit of a belly, but then I also have a belly and stretch marks. But her skills: Outstanding. BBBJ started in the shower. Continued on the bed, and she almost made me pop. She was also Very vocal during the main event. I don't care if maybe it was for my benefit. I really enjoyed hearing it.

Playing with her backdoor led me to believe she was game for A+. But when it came time for it, she stated she would do for me, but didn't like it. That took the wind out of my sail. Finished CIM. I recommend her for the performance. YMMV. 2500Bht plus tip. Don't do the Nuru there. Best to go the shop that specializes in it.

Went to Billboard Gogo at Nana afterward. It was crowded ad 1030p Chang beer was 140Bht, LD are 170Bht. None of the Ladies were topless nor nekkid. Bought Mint #902 a LD. She very cute, petite 20yr old with nice ass. Negatives, (for me,) Big tat on her back, and braces. Mint told me it was 700Bht BF and she wanted 2500Bht ST.

Went to Spankies next. They're topless there, but lots of silicone. Chang beer is 155Bht. Had 1 and left.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1929592]I think it is an over simplification, by others, to assume that discrimination is based solely on skin colour. CH has had some darker skin customers.

I am discriminated against by some girls in Thermae. Its not due to my skin colour. I have also been requested to buy a drink before entering Baccara. It might be that they assumed I would be a waist of space and not spend much money which was correct.

I believe the 500 Baht is a sort of test to find if you will spend money. Getting 400 back would be reasonable if you like the place (currently it is not great for me). Indians do have a reputation of being able to sit on one drink for the full duration. Japanese and Farangs do not have this reputation. The place needs customers that spend money. This is not the only factor but a significant one to take into account. I don't to go into all factors right now. I am sure I have covered it before.

Your report indicated that Indians who do spend money, will be admitted. Skin colour is no big deal I think. It is more a case of generalising on usefullness on the customers of this race.

Maybe Indians also have a reputation for not buying girls drinks as well or maybe just the girls stay away.

At Thermae, a girl did not want to talk to me. I don't know exactly why she does not like me. Her choice. I just have to find one that does want me.

I have met plenty of guys who do not take dark skin girls and Never black girls. Some do not like Asian girls. I don't know why. It is just their mental conditioning I guess. Personally I like black girls too.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on this Syzygies. I am an Indian and I have visited several gogos including CH on each of my trips to BKK. Never once was I stopped from entering. Only the first time the goon at the door of CH tried to raise his arm hesitantly to stop me but I just gave him a broad smile and just continued entering the place. He just shrugged and smiled back. Off course I always dress properly. Usually jeans and a tee and wear sandals. He saw me taking a girl out for ST that night. Next time the goon smiled at me when he saw me coming and that was that. Everyone in Baccara has to buy a drink before entering if the place is already full and there is no place to sit. This so called discrimination against a few nationalities and racial types has come out of bad past experiences. I know that it is a fact when Indians are in a group, specially youngsters, behave badly in public, are known to be stingy and loud, not care about personal hygiene. So one can't blame if they are stopped from entering at certain places. Our fellow countrymen have spoiled the reputation over a period of time and it will stay that way if guys don't change their behavior and attitude.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1929858]I agree with you on this Syzygies. I am an Indian and I have visited several gogos including CH on each of my trips to BKK. Never once was I stopped from entering. Only the first time the goon at the door of CH tried to raise his arm hesitantly to stop me but I just gave him a broad smile and just continued entering the place. He just shrugged and smiled back. Off course I always dress properly. Usually jeans and a tee and wear sandals. He saw me taking a girl out for ST that night. Next time the goon smiled at me when he saw me coming and that was that. Everyone in Baccara has to buy a drink before entering if the place is already full and there is no place to sit. This so called discrimination against a few nationalities and racial types has come out of bad past experiences. I know that it is a fact when Indians are in a group, specially youngsters, behave badly in public, are known to be stingy and loud, not care about personal hygiene. So one can't blame if they are stopped from entering at certain places. Our fellow countrymen have spoiled the reputation over a period of time and it will stay that way if guys don't change their behavior and attitude.[/QUOTE]Solo travelers from discriminated ethnicity will always have a much better chance of gaining entrance as opposed to the hunting packs more especially if they have that street cred that comes with being well traveled. Seems Mumbai Guy has it. Good for you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1929729]Or are you guys never happy with what you got?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately never satisfied with what I have for long, which feeds the continuous urge to cycle through a variety of providers. Having gotten into things a bit more, I find the scene to be acceptable, with a complex array of choices that makes mongering here all the more difficult. I'm more of a "living in the present" type of person avoiding comparisions especially to the old days or other venues, so making the most of here-and-now and maximizing options is my thing. Even a bad orgasm is pretty good, so as long as I can get my crack hit cum done with a provider that I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen with during the day, I feel a step ahead in the world. No reason not to feel a step ahead here. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929609]From what I'm hearing these girls at Climaxx, Mixx, Levels, etc. are not cheap, even late. I am thinking I may be better off staying LT with my 2nd Thermae girl or Line one of the Thermae girls I have been with in the past.[/QUOTE]I agree with BKKDog that prices at Climaxx are reasonable. If you go to Mixx, you will pay more, guaranteed, and Spasso, even more. Levels, I think, is somewhere between Mixx and Spasso, though all of this is not scientific.

I've had some Climaxx girls demand 5000 baht ST. Just walk away. I had one girl from Surin be very firm with me, saying 5000 baht or nothing, and so I took the latter option. She eventually relented, and I had her for 2500 baht ST. Generally, then, I think you can have ST for 2000-2500 baht, LT for 3500-4500 baht at Climaxx, depending on how much game you have and the chemistry between you and your target. Mixx is probably more like 3000 baht ST, 4500-5000 baht LT, and Spasso is *maybe* 4000 baht ST, 6000 baht LT (though it's been a while since I've been to Spasso).

So it might well be more economical to LT your Thermae girl, it's true, but if you want to bag two girls in one night, then Climaxx is certainly an option.

Thermae tonight. Was there from 8:30 to 10:00 pm and before midnight to 1:00 am. The lineup was subpar to what it was last month. Still lots to be had. Found the lineup significantly better at midnight than before 10:00 pm. Early the place was packed with guys. Before midnight clearly a buyer's market. I took an old favorite out. No head turns for me tonight but some girls clearly disinterested in every guy.

Billboard. Nana - Coolest club I have visited in Pattaya or BKK. Love the carousel. A fun place to be, Problem was other than 2-3 girls not much else talent wise. I'll take the top Pattaya gogo clubs and Baccara BKK over Billboard talent.

Nana parking lot and Soi 4 - one ok girl at Nana parking lot. 1500ST. Another way down soi 4 on the less busy side of the street wanting 1200ST. Most of the scary variety.

Sukhumvit between Thermae and Nana. Walked back and forth. The only nice girls I saw were the ones eating outside Thermae ie. Thermae girls after closing.

Bangkok Beat - holy crap are you guys serious? Terrible. I think every lady in there was older than I am.

Why did every club in Nana Plaza close at 2 am? Is that normal?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930015]Thermae tonight. Was there from 8:30 to 10:00 pm and before midnight to 1:00 am. The lineup was subpar to what it was last month. Still lots to be had. Found the lineup significantly better at midnight than before 10:00 pm. Early the place was packed with guys. Before midnight clearly a buyer's market. I took an old favorite out. No head turns for me tonight but some girls clearly disinterested in every guy.

Billboard. Nana - Coolest club I have visited in Pattaya or BKK. Love the carousel. A fun place to be, Problem was other than 2-3 girls not much else talent wise. I'll take the top Pattaya gogo clubs and Baccara BKK over Billboard talent.

Nana parking lot and Soi 4 - one ok girl at Nana parking lot. 1500ST. Another way down soi 4 on the less busy side of the street wanting 1200ST. Most of the scary variety.

Sukhumvit between Thermae and Nana. Walked back and forth. The only nice girls I saw were the ones eating outside Thermae ie. Thermae girls after closing.

Bangkok Beat - holy crap are you guys serious? Terrible. I think every lady in there was older than I am.

Why did every club in Nana Plaza close at 2 am? Is that normal?[/QUOTE]You me, ntion that some girls clearly disinterested in every guy. Had the same experience last July, but then one should raise the question: WHY are they here?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1929970]I agree with BKKDog that prices at Climaxx are reasonable. If you go to Mixx, you will pay more, guaranteed, and Spasso, even more. Levels, I think, is somewhere between Mixx and Spasso, though all of this is not scientific.

I've had some Climaxx girls demand 5000 baht ST. Just walk away. I had one girl from Surin be very firm with me, saying 5000 baht or nothing, and so I took the latter option. She eventually relented, and I had her for 2500 baht ST. Generally, then, I think you can have ST for 2000-2500 baht, LT for 3500-4500 baht at Climaxx, depending on how much game you have and the chemistry between you and your target. Mixx is probably more like 3000 baht ST, 4500-5000 baht LT, and Spasso is *maybe* 4000 baht ST, 6000 baht LT (though it's been a while since I've been to Spasso).

So it might well be more economical to LT your Thermae girl, it's true, but if you want to bag two girls in one night, then Climaxx is certainly an option.[/QUOTE]Are you guys serious or is it a joke: This year in my mongering trip in April I never paid more than 2000 bht to a girl from Climax and 3000 bht for a lady from Mixx / Spasso if she is Thai and 3000-5000 bht if she is CIS or Latino from shock -Mixx -Spasso but for sure price was never asked from me and there is no ST in my case, I had to throw the women out next day in afternoon or evening and there was no chance I want them back in my room. I thought I was ugly. Fat - old. Brown skin and I was paying top prices for these women but its strange to see American and European men pay so much.

Cheers guys: Change your mongering pattern.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930015]Thermae tonight. Was there from 8:30 to 10:00 pm and before midnight to 1:00 am. The lineup was subpar to what it was last month. Still lots to be had. Found the lineup significantly better at midnight than before 10:00 pm. Early the place was packed with guys. Before midnight clearly a buyer's market. I took an old favorite out. No head turns for me tonight but some girls clearly disinterested in every guy.

Billboard. Nana - Coolest club I have visited in Pattaya or BKK. Love the carousel. A fun place to be, Problem was other than 2-3 girls not much else talent wise. I'll take the top Pattaya gogo clubs and Baccara BKK over Billboard talent.

Nana parking lot and Soi 4 - one ok girl at Nana parking lot. 1500ST. Another way down soi 4 on the less busy side of the street wanting 1200ST. Most of the scary variety.

Sukhumvit between Thermae and Nana. Walked back and forth. The only nice girls I saw were the ones eating outside Thermae ie. Thermae girls after closing.

Bangkok Beat - holy crap are you guys serious? Terrible. I think every lady in there was older than I am.

Why did every club in Nana Plaza close at 2 am? Is that normal?[/QUOTE]BB you need to try OScar Bistro in Soi 11 for 9-11 pm action you will find some super classy Thai women absolutely ravishing I can say.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1929729]How do guys rate the overall mongering scene?

I normally rate how good a time I am having by the number of girl repeat sessions. In last two weeks plus, I have repeated only 4 times, 1 freelancer, 3 bargirls and zero MP girl repeats. Quite a few miscellaneous girls tried but not repeated. The 3 bargirl repeats were the best sessions for the two weeks. However this is very low for me. I am short of regulars available right now. Too many disappeared in the space of 3 months.

I wonder what motivates other guys to just keep changing girls all the time and how many sessions are considered really great. Or are you guys never happy with what you got?[/QUOTE]A shadow of it's former self. Numbers wise, attitude wise, and value for money wise. Satisfied? Oh, I used to be plenty satisfied. When I first moved here I could go out any night of the week and would have a very hard time choosing from the myriad of gals who were happy, thin, enthusiastic, ready to party and trying their best to woo and snag a customer. GoGos, Thermae, Nana Disco, the street, the Ambassador Beer Garden, Soi 7 Beer Garden, etc. The gal would shower first, 9 times out of 10 when I entered the bathroom toothpaste was already on my toothbrush and when back in the room my clothes were folded. Could take the equivalent of 50 USD (2 K Baht at the time), have a few drinks (80 Baht), pay the BF (400 Baht), and get laid. Most gals still wanted LT back then as well. That usually ran 1500 Baht or 32 USD. Gals were not any better in bed then compared to now, but they were cheap and very plentiful. You could not make it 20 mtrs on Suk after 10 pm without hearing "go with you. ' And back then I almost never repeated with gals. There was no need to. The idea was volume and new. So yes, I was very satisfied.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1929729]How do guys rate the overall mongering scene?

I normally rate how good a time I am having by the number of girl repeat sessions. In last two weeks plus, I have repeated only 4 times, 1 freelancer, 3 bargirls and zero MP girl repeats. Quite a few miscellaneous girls tried but not repeated. The 3 bargirl repeats were the best sessions for the two weeks. However this is very low for me. I am short of regulars available right now. Too many disappeared in the space of 3 months.

I wonder what motivates other guys to just keep changing girls all the time and how many sessions are considered really great. Or are you guys never happy with what you got?[/QUOTE]I am happy with what I have been getting. But I would say it is not a slam dunk that I will find a new winning combination of looks and skills every week. So I will repeat with a select handful of girls every week or two while still surveying, interviewing and testing out new talent in between. But living here allows for that approach a bit more than when someone is here for only 1-2 weeks on holiday. Mind you, I have now accrued a nice collection of regular non pro girls that I have met online, while shopping, dining, whatever. That qualifies as "mongering" in the broadest sense but not the same as the P4 P scene. It is about 60%-40% non pro dates vs P4 P for me at this time. That is, direct P4 P like one does with a FL, go-go bargirl, beer bar girl, BJ bar girl, etc.

More specifically on the issue of repeats vs changing girls all the time; I would say the overwhelming reason most guys come to places like Bangkok is to more easily rack up as wide a variety of sexual experiences with as many different girls as possible, not to find 2-3 girls to repeat over and over again. Particularly not with the same somewhat narrow cookie-cutter attributes or restrictions mentioned repeatedly by some. I think most of us would try to stay within a certain basic physical attribute set of requirements (bear in mind, "young and healthy" are the only two constants that I am aware of that cross all cultures and societies for sexual attractiveness), but after that we are open to a much wider range of weights, sizes, colors and types than 1-2 guys here seem willing to accept.

And there are the occasions when it isn't by any means about exactly what suits me in terms of looks and / or skills. Stand by for this one, guys; sometimes it is my pleasure to take a girl for reasons that have nothing to do with how well she pleases me visually OR will likely satisfy me sexually but all about her, that there is just something about her sweet nature, personality, spirit, what have you, that inspires me to want to give her the financial help I know she needs tonight while at the same time giving her a pussy-eating treat the likes of which she may never have experienced. That can be a lot of fun too and most certainly can provide another kind of rewarding sexual pleasure to the guy who follows his heart on that every now and then. Not to worry, my getting my rocks off very much the way I want with a much hotter girl is always less than 30 minutes away in any direction. But there are times when I choose a girl simply because I want to glance up and see how her cute face looks while she is cumming, perhaps better than she has cum in a long time, if ever.

Sorry to bother you guys. I was researching areas to stay and couldn't make up my mind whether to stay close to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy? It seems like Nana Plaza has a lot of trannies, but more freelance streetworkers and Soi Cowboy has a lot of hotter girls and a lot of shows. Am I wrong? Which area do you guys stay in? Does it matter? Which girl friendly hotels would you recommend to stay in? Thanks.

[QUOTE=DRMongerII;1930120]Sorry to bother you guys. I was researching areas to stay and couldn't make up my mind whether to stay close to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy? It seems like Nana Plaza has a lot of trannies, but more freelance streetworkers and Soi Cowboy has a lot of hotter girls and a lot of shows. Am I wrong? Which area do you guys stay in? Does it matter? Which girl friendly hotels would you recommend to stay in? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Both areas are so close together (one stop on the SKytrain only) that it really doesn't matter. Even on foot, especially at night, it is a leisurely and easy walk from one to the other.

The worst you can do, relatively speaking, is having your hotel somewhat half-way between Nana and Soi Cowboy: they you always have to walk, whereas if you are close to one or the other, you have the choice to take the Skytrain.

Which hotels are girl friendly and come recommended? As far as I know almost all hotels in that area are girl friendly (if in doubt email them and ask about their joiner policy) and recommendations are difficult to make: what do you need in the hotel and what budget do you have are the first questions you need to answer for yourself. Then go to a site such as [URL]www.booking.com[/URL] or similar, fill in the form and tick the boxes of the amenities and price level you wish and let their database server do the work for you.

For what it's worth, I have always been well served by Citypoint Hotel (near Soi Cowboy): [URL]citypointhotel.com/[/URL].

Last July was having a look at Oskar (SOi11), some beautiful girls but was told by customer that, while being there to be picked-up, these girls expect you to go first to a nearby disco and possibly late in the night join you for fuck. Is this correct? I am too old to go to disco and don't dance, moreover! Will be back in BKK next month, so would appreciate receving your experiences at Oskar. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1930157]The worst you can do, relatively speaking, is having your hotel somewhat half-way between Nana and Soi Cowboy: they you always have to walk, whereas if you are close to one or the other, you have the choice to take the Skytrain.
[/QUOTE]I can't really agree. My Buddy stays at On 8. I guess its right at Nana BTS. So is Soi 11. Even half way between Nana BTS and Asoke BTS, its still an easy walk, or motorcycle ride to the BTS. Did you know the two BTS stations are only 600 metres apart. So half way is only 300 metres from BTS. Weather is not that hot. Staying in between is still better than staying in Soi 4, which significant problems for taxis to get in and out. Radison Blu other side of Asoke is virtually the perfect location for my requirements (about 400 metres from BTS and MRT), even though I have been visiting Nana more frequently. Other nearby Hotels also good. Westin and Terminal 21 are also good location as are some other Soi 19 Hotels like Silq, etc.

I think the worst choice is to stay very deep down some Soi, a long way from Sukhumvit, unless you are always happy to grab a motorcycle to send you to desired place. Just my personal opinion. Deep in a Soi adds much distance to get to the BTS.

Then it is just a case of choose a Hotel that is either classy (Column is as "high" as I go LOL), or modern good value for money (Mermaid). Both are 500 metres from BTS station, and similar distance to MRT (underground).

There are a hell of a lot of good options.

[QUOTE=DRMongerII;1930120]Sorry to bother you guys. I was researching areas to stay and couldn't make up my mind whether to stay close to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy? It seems like Nana Plaza has a lot of trannies, but more freelance streetworkers and Soi Cowboy has a lot of hotter girls and a lot of shows. Am I wrong? Which area do you guys stay in? Does it matter? Which girl friendly hotels would you recommend to stay in? Thanks.[/QUOTE]It is a little bit hard to answer, because you don't say how you like to meet girls and what types you like. I usually try to specify my personal biases, even very repetitively so, so that the reader can know if my post has relevance to them or not.

Some guys hate bars and like massage parlors. The girls are not so good looking in most MPs (I regularly fail to choose a girl and move on), but the service and skills may be better.

It is true that Nana has a lot more freelancers and Ladyboys. This is not a problem. Billboard, Angel Witch, Spankies, etc. In Nana have shows. Personally, shows don't motivate me much, since years ago at Long gun when they had some really professional and beautiful dancers, when I really liked the shows.

Most erotic shows: Suzi Wong (Cowboy). Most ugly shows, like cigarette smoking pussy (several bars in Cowboy).

See Hotels thread for recommended Hotels. Many have been recommended.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1930111]
More specifically on the issue of repeats vs changing girls all the time; I would say the overwhelming reason most guys come to places like Bangkok is to more easily rack up as wide a variety of sexual experiences with as many different girls as possible, not to find 2-3 girls to repeat over and over again. Particularly not with the same somewhat narrow cookie-cutter attributes or restrictions mentioned repeatedly by some. I think most of us would try to stay within a certain basic physical attribute set of requirements (bear in mind, "young and healthy" are the only two constants that I am aware of that cross all cultures and societies for sexual attractiveness), but after that we are open to a much wider range of weights, sizes, colors and types than 1-2 guys here seem willing to accept.
[/QUOTE]I am in the weird category of living here 4 months per year. Work mostly overseas, sometimes can bring work from Thailand. Experienced but not having all the time in the world to spend on girls. Hence largely STs and not looking for "dates". I admit I just want the girls mostly for sex, excepting when I really click with a girl. Took a girl I was a bit too hooked on to Singapore for a few days last year and was never even slightly bored by her. She was far smarter than the average working girl. She would make an ideal partner although a bit costly I suspect, so for a rich man.

I would rather have limited variety. A set of six fabulous girls would be plenty for me, and have at times concentrated on just 1 girl or 2, due to being rather superior to the rest.

My specs have become narrow, due to changing Thailand. 28 years ago met my first Thai girl and was hooked. Cute nice body good natural tits. Funny girl. Then came to Thailand and experienced the real Thai girls. Always liked real Asian looks since I was a teenager and saw James Bond "You Only Live Twice" and even earlier movies featuring Asian girls.

Liking pretty slim but curvy natural Asian girls, no sillies, no nose job, was a quite broad spec, covering most bargirls and good percentage of Soapy girls, where in the modern day it has become a narrow spec. A lot of young fatties, a lot of surgeries. I don't mind surgeries if well done and not abundantly obvious. Unfortunately 90% are ugly jobs. Many girls look like Aliens to my eye rather than human. Even bargirls that look great can give the bad vibe as we all know and I then send them back without Barfine. Others write how irritated they are by these bargirls. Doesn't worry me. If the vibe or chemistry is wrong, no problem to send them away and consider some other girl. No need to pull the trigger till the girl feels like a match. I did not take a Crazy House girl for over two weeks, and last one was a repeat. No matches found of girl with right looks and chemistry that have not already tried before. Yet found a great girl in Billboard on first try.

Recently a buddy selected a waitress from the bar. She had a really nice tan face, and lovely manner (obvious Buriram type). Very cute (not broad) nose. Very sweet even without actually having more than a few words with her. I think she went LT very cheaply. She was a little bit too broad in the body (not naked) to fit my "Cookie Cutter" spec, but she was so lovely, I am considering trying her in the future. So we all have to make compromises with our ideal spec to get the wonderful girls.

It is always wise to state our biases in reports, so readers can make allowances, especially if they completely different specs. So Baccara is full of aliens for me, but full of lovelies for someone else. Not many girls there actually have really pretty faces. It's more young girls with good bodies, modified westernised looking faces, no fatties. The Thermae girls look better than Baccara girls to me, yet still very few really appeal strongly in both looks (plenty of surgeries girls and chubby girls ruled out) and manner, and then performance could still be really weak. Girls don't like long chats in there in general, so little time to assess chemistry carefully. I get the impression that Thermae girls in general are looking for quick turnover, thinking more about getting the next customer, than anything else. So while I will give Thermae some more chances, it has not been so great for me so far. I will soon change my tune once I find some girls I really want to repeat.

There is quite an advantage to bargirls who drink alcohol, and release their inhibtions, and can be very passionate girls who seem to love sex. Thermae girls are generally not drinking, and maybe relatively conservative. Obviously Pornstar-shop MP girls are the least conservative, but I have very few girls left in MPs that I want to repeat. Still I will go to MPs and look for the new regulars. Am trying a few freelancers as well. Hoping to find some regular GFEs there but still good looks (not quite stunners). I don't have the time for discos, clubs and dates, and don't want girls to think there is any real relationship beyond the sex, in most cases. Some become good friends in addition to sex. I have a regular GF, so cannot get into other relationships.

Guys who like services should be focussing on the pornstar shop MPs. Guys who like cheap should be focussing on the freelancers. Guys who want freebies should be focussing on the chat and dating sites. Escorts for the better looking expensive pornstars (I am not sure since did not try). Bar and club girls for better looking girls and more chance to assess chemistry, I guess. Soapies for better looking girls and the very non rushed experience.

The really super stunning girls just do not last long, unless they are not nice enough character to maintain a BF. Even I have the contacts of some, they will soon change their phone number and not answer any more due to new man (or sugar daddy) requiring them to give up P4 P. Most stunners disappear within 6 months, of the first meeting, and in nearly 50% of cases, I never even got to a 2nd try. Some got married or went into permanent relationship, or went overseas.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930179]I think the worst choice is to stay very deep down some Soi, a long way from Sukhumvit, unless you are always happy to grab a motorcycle to send you to desired place. Just my personal opinion. Deep in a Soi adds much distance to get to the BTS.[/QUOTE]Good advice folks forget that Bangkok can be extremely hot and humid, or raining like crazy. The closer your lodging is to Suk and a BTS / MRT station the better.

SL.

If anyone's feeling helpful I'd like some advice please for how much to pay a bar girl under unusual circumstances for me. I don't want any trouble from bar security, police, tourist police or price police, thank you.

How much should I give to a bar girl J that I didn't barfine. She was taking a night off and said she didn't want to fuck for money tonight, her own words. She argue with mamasan in the street about this when mama try to make me barfine someone not technically at work. J did "borrow" 1000 baht from me to barfine her friend so they can have a heart to heart about friend's cheating boyfriend. No Thai phrase for double standards then.

At Mixx, entry and drinks cost me about 2000. J brought one of her podium dancer friends who immediately hit me for a 300 baht tequila and then tried to order 4 more. I bought only 1, for J, because podium had had hers and J's friend didn't want one. Podium girl drank J's.

After Mixx J and friend wanted street food, cost me 310, then J asked to come back to my hotel, stayed one hour talking nonsense and scrolling through her phone, no naughty business, then left saying she'd be back in 20 minutes.

She didn't return but rang at 11 pm the following night, came over shortly, spent another hour or so talking nonsense and playing with her phone. One thing I could understand her saying was her American ex-boyfriend only wanted to give her 5000 per week. I think that was 2 years ago. Soon J went to sleep, again no naughtiness, woke up at 7 am and demanded first 4000 baht then another 200 for a taxi.

I gave her the 200, didn't ask, or get offered, the 1000 back. In total I spent over 3000 the first night on food, drink, and taxis for J, her friend, her Mixx ex-colleagues.

I still feel I should give J something for her time. Or is that too much?

Any urgent suggestions before she comes back with ex-boyfriend, bar security, police, tourist police, hotel police, and price police?

I'm leaving Thailand tomorrow. I hope.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930202]Work mostly overseas, sometimes can bring work from Thailand. .[/QUOTE]That should have read I can sometimes perform OS work from a Thailand location. So working OS in "virtual" mode. You can see I am not working now though.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1930210]Don't forget that Bangkok can be extremely hot and humid, or raining like crazy. The closer your lodging is to Suk and a BTS / MRT station the better.

SL.[/QUOTE]Yes I live only 50 metres from Sukhumvit so can get a taxi easily when pouring with rain, however that can be said of any major Soi with good taxi service. Its 300 metres to the BTS, which is too far if really pouring with rain, normally okay. I went to BTS other day with umbrella but was certainly quite damp from thigh down (even though not drenched). If very hot, wet pants will dry very quick. If its not hot they may take a while. I was heading to Billboard so ended up sitting in there with rather damp jeans.

You can get a taxi on Sukhumvit Soi 4 but it is more problematic to get to where you want to go from there. One way roads, forbidden turns problems, heavy traffic. So not a desirable location to stay for me, unless my target places are all located there.

The rain in Thailand can come down like a bucket of water is being poured on you. This is the tropics. Umbrella is essential even if not totally effective. When it really pours, very few people indeed try to walk anywhere. Afterwards rollup the pants (or wear shorts) and wade through the flooded streets (some flooded parts). The drainage system does not work well. Bangkok is rather little above sea level. There are grates to underground pipes but when the pipe is full and not flowing much the street water does not go down. Walking at least ankle deep in water is not too uncommon in rainy season just starting now. So who is going to wear shoes and socks LOL?

If going to a club, you might have to have shoes and socks in a bag and put them on when you get there, if any chances of flooding. LOL.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1930169]Last July was having a look at Oskar (SOi11), some beautiful girls but was told by customer that, while being there to be picked-up, these girls expect you to go first to a nearby disco and possibly late in the night join you for fuck. Is this correct? I am too old to go to disco and don't dance, moreover! Will be back in BKK next month, so would appreciate receving your experiences at Oskar. Thanks![/QUOTE]It depends on the girl but in general I'd say most are ready for a night out, whether it's staying at Oskar or heading elsewhere. It's definitely not a "fishbowl" scene.

[QUOTE=CharlesDickin;1930216]If anyone's feeling helpful I'd like some advice please for how much to pay a bar girl under unusual circumstances for me. I don't want any trouble from bar security, police, tourist police or price police, thank you.

How much should I give to a bar girl J that I didn't barfine. She was taking a night off and said she didn't want to fuck for money tonight, her own words. She argue with mamasan in the street about this when mama try to make me barfine someone not technically at work. J did "borrow" 1000 baht from me to barfine her friend so they can have a heart to heart about friend's cheating boyfriend. No Thai phrase for double standards then.

At Mixx, entry and drinks cost me about 2000. J brought one of her podium dancer friends who immediately hit me for a 300 baht tequila and then tried to order 4 more. I bought only 1, for J, because podium had had hers and J's friend didn't want one. Podium girl drank J's.

After Mixx J and friend wanted street food, cost me 310, then J asked to come back to my hotel, stayed one hour talking nonsense and scrolling through her phone, no naughty business, then left saying she'd be back in 20 minutes.

She didn't return but rang at 11 pm the following night, came over shortly, spent another hour or so talking nonsense and playing with her phone. One thing I could understand her saying was her American ex-boyfriend only wanted to give her 5000 per week. I think that was 2 years ago. Soon J went to sleep, again no naughtiness, woke up at 7 am and demanded first 4000 baht then another 200 for a taxi.

I gave her the 200, didn't ask, or get offered, the 1000 back. In total I spent over 3000 the first night on food, drink, and taxis for J, her friend, her Mixx ex-colleagues.

I still feel I should give J something for her time. Or is that too much?

Any urgent suggestions before she comes back with ex-boyfriend, bar security, police, tourist police, hotel police, and price police?

I'm leaving Thailand tomorrow. I hope.

Thanks![/QUOTE]In Thailand medical attention is cheap so don't worry. All major hospitals except credit cards and have prvate rooms available.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1930169]Last July was having a look at Oskar (SOi11), some beautiful girls but was told by customer that, while being there to be picked-up, these girls expect you to go first to a nearby disco and possibly late in the night join you for fuck. Is this correct? I am too old to go to disco and don't dance, moreover! Will be back in BKK next month, so would appreciate receving your experiences at Oskar. Thanks![/QUOTE]No need for all that BS and crap: Choose: Offer her a drink mostly red or white wine: Chit chat a bit maybe food Pick and go home: As simple as the clubs just with less music and restaurant feel: Women start to arrive there by 8 pm so its a early night pick up place.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=CharlesDickin;1930216]
How much should I give to a bar girl J that I didn't barfine. She was taking a night off and said she didn't want to fuck for money tonight, her own words. She argue with mamasan in the street about this when mama try to make me barfine someone not technically at work. J did "borrow" 1000 baht from me to barfine her friend...

At Mixx, entry and drinks cost me about 2000 ... After Mixx J and friend wanted street food, cost me 310, then J asked to come back to my hotel, stayed one hour talking nonsense and scrolling through her phone, no naughty business ...
She didn't return but rang at 11 pm the following night, came over shortly, spent another hour or so talking nonsense and playing with her phone.

I gave her the 200, didn't ask, or get offered, the 1000 back. In total I spent over 3000 the first night on food, drink, and taxis for J, her friend, her Mixx ex-colleagues.

I still feel I should give J something for her time. Or is that too much?[/QUOTE]Relax Charles. You were generous with the girl and her friends on your sexless night out at Mixx. I probably would have bought more Tequilas for the one girl to loosen her up and expect some boom boom time in return, but I would probably not have sprung for the other girl's barfine unless I knew both girls pretty well. So we both would have spent roughly the same amount of money although in different ways and with different results. On the 2nd night with the same no sex girl, you were a gentleman to give her taxi money home. So the bottom line is you don't owe this girl anything and I would stop all communications with her if she begins to ask you for any more money especially without offering any honey. It is that simple. Unless you really like her for some reason that I don't comprehend. And in the latter case I would advise you to proceed carefully and prudently.

As for that 1000 bt "loan". Ha Ha. Its gone, man. You had a night out at Mixx with some sexy bar girls and I hope you had a good time, so forget about it. Water under the bridge. But keep it in mind the next time you visit BKK and learn from your experience. Remember, unless you have a really good ongoing relationship with a particular bar girl, whatever you "loan" her is spent money. Say Bye Bye.

I have a few girls that I trust with money. I could send them out to buy a bottle of Jack, for example, and they would return in a timely manner with the correct change, but if a bar girl asks to "borrow" money for what ever reason, they are essentially asking for a gift or tip. And by the way, none of my special long time friends ever ask for wire transfers or "monetary gifts" I would say no if they asked and sadly take points off their score. I am, however, very generous to my favorite recurring gals by tipping them well, bringing them nice presents from the USA, and remembering their birthdays. But for "new" girls, I keep it simple and straight forward: barfine, drinks, Boom Boom, payment for services rendered, and a tip if warranted, then possibly more drinks and possibly dinner with the girl if I feel like it.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1930348]In Thailand medical attention is cheap so don't worry. All major hospitals except credit cards and have prvate rooms available.[/QUOTE]Thank heaven for exceptions then.

I have excepted the hotel to provide an armed cavalcade to take me to an airport, can't say which one for security reasons. Have spent the evening watching Olympus and London Has Fallen as training.

Thank you Sir Natty, may your camels never lose their humps.

I am now relaxed and no poorer, perhaps even richer for the experience. Do bar girls have to be so difficult? Maybe I'm just a vulture magnet.

I did enjoy the dancing at Mixx and there was a young woman there that Mr D-Cups would have been all over. I liked watching her trying to dance. The motion was mesmerizing if you ignored the arm movements.

I liked J because she looked elegant and a little sexy and if I'm honest because she looked a hell of a lot like a girl I used to be real real crazy about. But I've gone right off J now. Not sure I should set foot in her bar for a while for safety reasons, though I think she's intending to leave anyway because she doesn't like the nudity. I didn't like the nudity either as I seem to have similar taste to Syzgies.

I knew I was kissing my 1000 goodbye the moment I was asked for it. And I was sure if I'd asked for it back outside there would have been some type of drama so let it go. I had hoped it might come back as karma, preferably good and horizontally.

J and her friend had already had a skinful before they hooked me and J was most of the way through the second bottle of vodka lime when her tequila came. It's possible she told her podium friend to drink it. I would have bought another round if I hadn't been running out of money. Though as you say, I could have spent the "loan" differently. Besides because J was adamant about no sex that night from when she first stepped outside, I didn't think I could lubricate her to be more willing. Not sure I'd want to. I hear it can get complicated if a drunk girl says she didn't remember consenting. And I didn't want to complicate things as they were oh so simple already.

Crazy House line up significantly better tonight. So has been quite weak most nights but not all.

Some nice girls present for looks: Oom 91, Kratae, Jane 4, Bell, Taengmo 62, No. 93 forget name, Off 3, also quite a number of other pretty girls for those not allergic to nose jobs.

Not many silicone sets thankfully, tonight. Line up varies a lot.

Many beautiful nude girls dancing very sexy or disco style showing off pussy too. Not just shuffling girls. My girl was a bit drunk so forgot to be shy. Touching allowed since she knows me long time. We have fucked plenty of times.

Arrived at Thermae at midnight. Lineup was a bit underwhelming tonight. The worst I have seen Thermae. I only saw 5 girls I liked way down from 30-40 that I see some nights. I guess that's expected at Thermae since it's all freelancers with no set schedule. In addition, the place was packed with a sea of Japanese guys some very drunk and rude to the girls.

Walked around Soi 24 and 24/1 today. Can Can likely had the most number of decent girls and the best overall lineup. I decided to venture on to complete my tour so didn't stay at Can Can. There was a nice looking girl named Nadia who attracted me to Club 102. The set up if the same as places like Club 007, Pirates, etc. On Soi Full Love Inn in Pattaya. Decent room with shower in room. Club 102 had about 10 girls. None of them top optics but most passable. Nadia was in top 2 and since she attracted me in to the club I decided it was only fair to go with her. Session was typical massage stuff for me. Massages generally bore me. Same routine no GFE feel. Rather get to know a gogo or bar girl for a bit before barfining her. Massage was weak. BJ was great except for the fact she refused to do BBBJ no matter how hard I tried to convince her. Sex was ok. Nice girl. Good enough experience but the general lack of full out DFK, BBBJ, and GFE left me unfulfilled. Imo there are better options for just a bit more money than my 2790 baht price tag for 90 minutes, which I cut short.

Some of the girls in the more discussed massage joints on here were not good at all.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930433]Arrived at Thermae at midnight. Lineup was a bit underwhelming tonight. The worst I have seen Thermae. I only saw 5 girls I liked way down from 30-40 that I see some nights. I guess that's expected at Thermae since it's all freelancers with no set schedule. In addition, the place was packed with a sea of Japanese guys some very drunk and rude to the girls.[/QUOTE]Isn't that when a polite Westerner seems like a preferred customer?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930440]Isn't that when a polite Westerner seems like a preferred customer?[/QUOTE]I don't think a Westerner polite or not is ever a preferred customer at Thermae by most of the younger girls. they will attract the over 25 girls for sure.

Had to laugh last night since another Farang showed up in a wife beater shirt and skateboard shorts. Pure class.

Anyone have an update on Thaniya Road gogo bars? Are they good?

If a Farang goes with a Japanese guy will he get in?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930541]I don't think a Westerner polite or not is ever a preferred customer at Thermae by most of the younger girls. they will attract the over 25 girls for sure.[/QUOTE]Or the dark skinned Buriram and Surin girls. LOL.

Yes I am agreeing. I don't think Westerners are preferred at all. Just girls may have to take what they can get. My problem is the girls I like most are usually attractive to a wide range of guys including the Japanese and get taken rapidly. Any delay and the girl is gone, or otherwise may not be interested in me.

I hate losing a beautiful girl to a Japanese guy. I don't want to take the left over girls. Not the best hunting ground for me being too fussy about the whole package being great.

Mind you in a gogo bar I can have difficulty getting to very popular girls and lose out to other Farangs who are the girl's regular customer.

Last night Jane danced at CH. What a shock, however just one set. She was snapped up and BFed very quick as usual. She always has a customer. Her face is not quite stunning rather cute and cheeky and tan skin. Probably the most popular girl in CH and good on the bed. Mostly Farang customers. I only ever found her available at the right moment once. LOL It is essential to catch as she enters for work to have any realistic chance. I used to catch Donut as she came in the front door to make sure I was first to get to her. LOL Girls would be surprised if they had not even had the chance to get changed and get the makeup on.

Why was I so crazy? Well the girl was just so hot and pretty, seemed to like sex "a screamer" ( seemd like not acting) and nice guys and it is Crazy House.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930183]It is a little bit hard to answer, because you don't say how you like to meet girls and what types you like. I usually try to specify my personal biases, even very repetitively so, so that the reader can know if my post has relevance to them or not.

Some guys hate bars and like massage parlors. The girls are not so good looking in most MPs (I regularly fail to choose a girl and move on), but the service and skills may be better.

It is true that Nana has a lot more freelancers and Ladyboys. This is not a problem. Billboard, Angel Witch, Spankies, etc. In Nana have shows. Personally, shows don't motivate me much, since years ago at Long gun when they had some really professional and beautiful dancers, when I really liked the shows.

Most erotic shows: Suzi Wong (Cowboy). Most ugly shows, like cigarette smoking pussy (several bars in Cowboy).

See Hotels thread for recommended Hotels. Many have been recommended.[/QUOTE]I've never been to Bangkok. I wish to try everything. Massage parlors and explore the nightlife at bars. If I stay in a place like Majestic Suites, is it hard to get a girl back from Soi Cowboy? Will they care to walk back to my hotel? What are the shows like at Angel Witch, Billboard, and Spankies? I heard that there are some after hours clubs to pick up freelancers? Do you know where?

I guess I would prefer pretty girls with good service. There's no need for her to be a 10 in looks or the top girl at the place. I would rather have a 7 in looks and a 10 in service than a 10 in looks and a 2 in service ratings.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930549]Not the best hunting ground for me being too fussy about the whole package being great.[/QUOTE]We both have the luxury to scout out the girls we like and return another time to get them. Spend a couple of hours each night for a few nights and get to know everyone there. No different than just hanging out at a gogo bar. Last night a young cute one I hadn't seen before showed up well after midnight. By 2 am Thermae was clearing out. Maybe only 30 girls left.

[QUOTE=DRMongerII;1930554]I've never been to Bangkok. I wish to try everything. Massage parlors and explore the nightlife at bars. If I stay in a place like Majestic Suites, is it hard to get a girl back from Soi Cowboy? Will they care to walk back to my hotel? What are the shows like at Angel Witch, Billboard, and Spankies? I heard that there are some after hours clubs to pick up freelancers? Do you know where?

I guess I would prefer pretty girls with good service. There's no need for her to be a 10 in looks or the top girl at the place. I would rather have a 7 in looks and a 10 in service than a 10 in looks and a 2 in service ratings.[/QUOTE]Majestic Suites is OK. Girls will not want to walk from Cowboy. You need to take taxi. Taxis are cheap.

Are from Domican Republic or is DR in your handle a co incidence? Well at least specify if you are Indian, dark skin, light skin, or East Asian. This affects the advice given. Also say what sort of girls you like.

O. k service matters to you more than looks. You maybe better off in one of the pornstar type of Oily Massage parlors where looks range from a 3 to a 7, skills higher.

I prefer looks close to a 9 and skills only a 6 will do me if girl is fun loving.

Personally shows in Angel Witch, spankies and Billboard aee boring for me but for newbies all is different. Billboard recently had a Cabaret strip dance routine also a tame Lesbian show. I have not been to Angel Witch or Spankies recently. I strongly disliked Spankies slapping games last visit. Also few of the girls gave me the honest vibe.

There are various discos to pick up girls. Not my scene. There is Bangkok Beat bar with band on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 written about often. There is Nana carpark, there is Thermae, and others.

Your questions are a bit too vague to cover everything. Very specfic questions are easier to answer. If you don't give much detail about yourself and what you like, all we can do is suggest you try everything and see what you like.

You should read the forum over several months. As a newbie on the forum, I just read information and did not ask questions.You can learn a lot. Later I started posting reports.

Once you know where you want to go Google search and Google Maps are your friend. This is obvious to myself.and many others. I can usually find anything without asking anybody other than Google.
OK Sometimes Google Maps has markers in the wrong place. I still managed to find Mitu Massage after a bit of effort. I posted directions to be easier for others.

Beware Thai maps are not to scale and North is not always in upward direction. I notice some people have no clues about North direction anyway. Like girls can't use Maps LOL and many Thai taxi drivers cannot use Maps as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930555]We both have the luxury to scout out the girls we like and return another time to get them. Spend a couple of hours each night for a few nights and get to know everyone there. No different than just hanging out at a gogo bar. Last night a young cute one I hadn't seen before showed up well after midnight. By 2 am Thermae was clearing out. Maybe only 30 girls left.[/QUOTE]Yes good advice for fussy guys. I can't just grab any old girl. I am very familar with the line up in some places. Thermae should be no different especially as I am not the preferred customer when an unknown. I have advantage of being well known in some places and the disadvantage.

Many CH girls will know beforehand I take a long time to cum but am not stingy or demanding. This does not worry some girls too much.

I don't go out every night so 2 hours in Thermae per night is not quite realistic. A quicker visit every 2 to 4 days is an option. No girl there has reached my "must do" list as yet. I have very safe girls at 5 other venues to consider first who are all pretty good looking girls for my spec, DFK and fun.

I can even go Nana Carpark if need a cheap quickie. Saw cuties in bars on Soi 4 and Soi 23 recently yet to be checked out in detail. No not LBs.

The attraction of Thermae has to depend on your success rate, and ability to guage chemistry from a relatively quick chat. How to tell if her figure is really great or a disaster area? Its same as an Oily. You see as much as you can see then have to get lucky. In Thermae you see less due to conservative dress but you get to talk to girl, and usually that will indicate quickly enough if she wants you or not, I suppose.

What percentage of girls DFK? i would like to ask for a sample DFK in Thermae to seal the deal. LOL

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930541]I don't think a Westerner polite or not is ever a preferred customer at Thermae by most of the younger girls. they will attract the over 25 girls for sure.

Had to laugh last night since another Farang showed up in a wife beater shirt and skateboard shorts. Pure class.[/QUOTE]But, I would think a non-preferred customer arriving sround midnight may not have much competition from the "more desirable" ethnicity. Those folks show up around 9, pick up their girl and they're done. Unless, they come back to the club for seconds, or thirds.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930562]I prefer looks close to a 9 and skills only a 6 will do me if girl is fun loving.[/QUOTE]Talk is cheap when's the last time you posted a photo of one of your 9's? A censored photo would do.

For the last couple of years (on the BKK Forum) every other post is you. Man you deserve your own forum.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930416]Crazy House line up significantly better tonight. So has been quite weak most nights but not all. Some nice girls present for looks: Oom 91, Kratae, Jane 4, Bell, Taengmo 62, No. 93 forget name, Off 3, also quite a number of other pretty girls for those not allergic to nose jobs... Many beautiful nude girls dancing very sexy or disco style showing off pussy too. Not just shuffling girls.[/QUOTE]I was in there last night as was quite "meh" about the lineup. Spotted Taengmo 62, nice package. The tat-covered girl with papaya tits and mannish face seemed to have some kind of slime oozing out of her snatch. When she was doing sexy dancing her slit glistened like she had spread a healthy coating of KY there. I thought she would make a snail trail when she did her rounds. I thought to buy her a tequila to see if it was a natural or man-made phenomena, but her facial looks were just not for me.

The Japanese guy next to me had a cute girl with a nice natural rack, braces and a fantastic smile (I think 148)? She did a very nice job of doing a lap dance for him and trying (in vain) to have a chat with him. I put her on my list for second check. He kept buying drinks for girls and mama-san. It was interesting to see how the different girls treated this guy. There was one girl with what I can describe only as a somewhat mongoloid face, face piercing and a suzy wong hairstyle. She was a sexy dancer on stage, but when he bought her a drink she just slammed it down and left. Didn't even bother to sit down. Given that he was also buying his mama-san drinks all night, it was disappointing to see that treatment. He ran up a tab of over 3000 b before he departed alone.

The shows they are doing now are quite boring. There is pudgy matron (I am being kind, you will know her when you see her) who does the dart & balloon show downstairs and a sexy body-painted butch who does similar. The only advantage of the shows is that is gets all the girls out onto the floors and circulating.

Having arrived late on a previous night, I went upstairs to get a seat. The talent upstairs is not on par with the ground floor IMO. Dancing was more shuffle shuffle and lazy a times. Upstairs has the merit of being quieter and if you want the "best seat in the house for the shows", then you look down directly and mark the trajectory of the dart from the straw to the balloon.

All-in-all I like CH because of the general vibe. Having been to Long Gun and Dollhouse (both former haunts and sources of bar fine girls), the energy is about the best in SC. My observation last night was that they need more girls. The girl-to-customer ratio was somewhat dismal at points. This is an even bigger point at struggling bars like Long Gun and Dollhouse. If 3-4 girls are sitting with customers, then there is literally nobody on stage. Buy a girl a drink and 10 seconds later she will have to get back on stage to fill the gaps. And those are not the gaps I want to be filling.

I have gotten around quite a bit in the past couple weeks, so more reports to come. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1930619]I was in there last night as was quite "meh" about the lineup. Spotted Taengmo 62, nice package. The tat-covered girl with papaya tits and mannish face seemed to have some kind of slime oozing out of her snatch. When she was doing sexy dancing her slit glistened like she had spread a healthy coating of KY there. I thought she would make a snail trail when she did her rounds. I thought to buy her a tequila to see if it was a natural or man-made phenomena, but her facial looks were just not for me.

The Japanese guy next to me had a cute girl with a nice natural rack, braces and a fantastic smile (I think 148)? She did a very nice job of doing a lap dance for him and trying (in vain) to have a chat with him. I put her on my list for second check. He kept buying drinks for girls and mama-san. It was interesting to see how the different girls treated this guy. There was one girl with what I can describe only as a somewhat mongoloid face, face piercing and a suzy wong hairstyle. She was a sexy dancer on stage, but when he bought her a drink she just slammed it down and left. Didn't even bother to sit down. Given that he was also buying his mama-san drinks all night, it was disappointing to see that treatment. He ran up a tab of over 3000 b before he departed alone.

The shows they are doing now are quite boring. There is pudgy matron (I am being kind, you will know her when you see her) who does the dart & balloon show downstairs and a sexy body-painted butch who does similar. The only advantage of the shows is that is gets all the girls out onto the floors and circulating.

Having arrived late on a previous night, I went upstairs to get a seat. The talent upstairs is not on par with the ground floor IMO. Dancing was more shuffle shuffle and lazy a times. Upstairs has the merit of being quieter and if you want the "best seat in the house for the shows", then you look down directly and mark the trajectory of the dart from the straw to the balloon.

All-in-all I like CH because of the general vibe. Having been to Long Gun and Dollhouse (both former haunts and sources of bar fine girls), the energy is about the best in SC. My observation last night was that they need more girls. The girl-to-customer ratio was somewhat dismal at points. This is an even bigger point at struggling bars like Long Gun and Dollhouse. If 3-4 girls are sitting with customers, then there is literally nobody on stage. Buy a girl a drink and 10 seconds later she will have to get back on stage to fill the gaps. And those are not the gaps I want to be filling.

I have gotten around quite a bit in the past couple weeks, so more reports to come. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]They do have a lot of girls but many just don't show up.

I agree with most of your points. The shows and girls performing them are generally horrible. Why hire super ugly girls to do super ugly shows? Dispense with these shows or run them upstairs only.

I don't know what is Suzi Wong hair. Is that the girl with short blonde hair and very round ugly face and piercing?

The girl with heaps on tats on ass and new sillies is indeed manlike in the face. I never checked out her snatch but the piercings would sparkle. She is extra raunchy so amazingly many guys go for her.

I think the ratio os not too bad. Plenty of girls still available given not many guys are barfining them. Line up certainly not at fullest but you cannot expect girls to work when a shortage of customers that want to do more than just drink alone.

Any way the line up was moderately good compared to recent times not in total numbers but in number of girls of resonable looks. Only numbers 4 and 91 interested me. Natural slim girls very sexy.

CH needs to dump the horrible shows and get more pretty natural girls to get back to the standard of 1 year to 2 years ago. Needs to maintain a very clear difference to Baccara.

Hi all,

Can someone suggest a hotel bear Sukhumvit or Nana plaza Aralea which is girl friendly and has nice jacuzzi in the rooms?

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1930619]I was in there last night as was quite "meh" about the lineup. Spotted Taengmo 62, nice package.[/QUOTE]Easy to say but its very non specific. When I complain about the line up it is the lack of really pretty natural faces. There are plenty of good sleek bodies with very small to small medium tits which is fine for me. Last night there were very few girls with big tits excepting a couple of silicone cases. Guys looking for big tits would be disappointed. Ging has good tits but has not been around. Bo used to have great tits. Saggy after baby and covered now. Mook 144 has impressive high medium sized tits but was missing.

There were a small number of girls with good natural faces but a lot of nose jobs that would not necessarily spoil the looks for all guys.

Which problem is causing you to "meh"?

I would say for guys liking lots of big tits, Crazy House is not the right place. The girl with soccer ball tits seems to be gone.

I recall other guys liking bars with lots of big tit girls. Mostly silicone or fatties so not impressive at all for me.

Another tour of the oily massage places. Can Can again had nice girls but the guy who runs the place took manner lessons from the CH waitresses. Angel had a couple of girls. Awkward being in a fish bowl 3 feet away from the girl. Club 102 not the best lineup but I like my girl and there is a fun girl there with cupcake tattoos on her shoulder. Orient Massage had a couple of decent ones but really not even as good as a place like Nightwish on soi 6 which is almost half the price (1300 baht). Orient is the cheapest I have seen at 1900 baht for 1 hour. Addict didn't have the best girls but so much fun. Girls are super friendly trying to get your attention, When you say no the girls come to attack you. Hilarious. I thought Mamasan (?) (she was in black) was the prettiest one and would go with her for sure. Yes I asked her.

Ah yes the Japanese guy running Can Cam is pathetic really. His English is not real good either.

[url]http://cancam-massage.com/sp/home.php[/url]

CH has sone crap waitresses that are annoying. Not all are so bad. Little No. S1 is excellent for me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930648]I don't know what is Suzi Wong hair.[/QUOTE]Actually the better term is "kappa" hairstyle which is a Japanese girl term. She had a long kappa, but the way it was cut at the top matches the pic. This girl cannot be missed. Has a piercing at the side of her mouth and her Bush is trimmed as a straight "I" landing strip. Add in the slightly mongoloid face and you can't miss.

Will check the lineup tonight and lookout. My "meh" comment is that I have seen better in CH, not that things were bad. Plenty of talent to please. Agree that CH needs to keep its game high. Every mall needs "anchor stores" and CH and Baccara seem to be doing it for Cowboy. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1930719]Actually the better term is "kappa" hairstyle which is a Japanese girl term. She had a long kappa, but the way it was cut at the top matches the pic. This girl cannot be missed. Has a piercing at the side of her mouth and her Bush is trimmed as a straight "I" landing strip. Add in the slightly mongoloid face and you can't miss.
[/QUOTE]Its easy to miss girls, especially if they are very ordinary looking, unless they really stand out for some reason. I am sure I will notice next time. When I assess a line up I am not really looking at the ugliest girls, since some are very bad indeed, but only looking at the top dozen girls. Most ugly girls or older girls (not saying the older ones are ugly), get relegated to upstairs.

You could easily have missed Jane No. 4 a top girl, since she only got up to dance once for a few minutes (stuck with a customer) and No. 91 Oom was on my lap a bit drunk for quite a while so not dancing much. She claimed to have consumed 10 glasses of Yaa Dong before I arrived (could have been bullshitting - she is not a 100% reliable girl for the truth LOL), and was outside doing exactly that when I arrived. I think she danced for a very small number of minutes as well.

[QUOTE=Socker;1930612]Talk is cheap when's the last time you posted a photo of one of your 9's? A censored photo would do.

For the last couple of years (on the BKK Forum) every other post is you. Man you deserve your own forum.[/QUOTE]Nah I went missing for nearly three months recently. I can't post faces of girls. They are secretly working as hookers. I have posted pics of the bodies of some girls before. However most of my useful private pics are just faces.

I am not asking that many more classy girls (relatively) to pose nude.

If I post a clothed pic with head cut off it will be meaningless. So for Donut I have 4 or 5 pics. They all focus on her face. I may have one useful pic of her body in underwear that can be posted. You can see I like slim. Banana Boi saw pics of Donut's face. He did not find her quite as stunning as I did. His spec is different. For faces, personal taste counts a lot.
2nd pic is Bai Fern a long gone favourite massage girl. Its a tiny shop pic of her and does not really do her justice. She probably was not that white but her face was less puffy than in the pic.
I did not take either of these pics myself. I never got a pic of the girl with a 10 body at Cherry Massage. I am not a regular poster of pics.

Pics of Gaew at Pink are probably still on their website even she is long gone. Her body was close to a ten. O.K. I can't find the Pink Massage web site any more.

What is the forum useful for?

For me, not one of my favorite girls, in Thailand, ever came from a recommendation or reading a report. I had to find them all for myself. Due to personal taste, this is always likely to be the case. Perhaps tried a recommendation on a rare occasion but those girls never lived up to what I hoped for. However I have received a few useful girl recommendations in other countries. The other parts of the forum used to be a bit more useful at times. Thailand forum used to have a lot more shit dumping and negative stuff, but may have actually improved in that respect.

What I have got out of the forum is recommendations for venues worth taking a look at. Whether it was Tulip, Snow White, Mango, Annies, Billboard, Mitu, SOL, Bongkot, Addict, Saphan Kwai, Dr. BJ, whatever. Hardly any Soapies or bars listed since these were all places I used before joining the forum. So in my reports I try to give info on what venues are like for finding girls of particular types or what type of a girl I found there. Seems that first decent Crazy House report was by DRRonin on 12th August 2013 (giving more info than Jmg005 and Kumbu who did not know the name) and I attended within a week or two, and later became a regular.

I encourage others to likewise report on how things are at venues for mongering, especially venues not covered that much, as I suspect that this is the most useful info we can get. Maybe for the newbie, a much broader range of info is needed.

For really well known venues, comments on which girls might be worth trying is also useful. Status updates would be good. We get very few reports about which Soapies are good these days. I have not been attending them much myself. I would help more if I could. Getting lazy to travel far afield to get to them.

Comments on famous girls that moved to another shop have always been handy too. I. e. June seen at Bongkot (for a while).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930739]Nah I went missing for nearly three months recently. I can't post faces of girls. They are secretly working as hookers. I have posted pics of the bodies of some girls before. However most of my useful private pics are just faces.

I am not asking that many more classy girls (relatively) to pose nude.

If I post a clothed pic with head cut off it will be meaningless. So for Donut I have 4 or 5 pics. They all focus on her face. I may have one useful pic of her body in underwear that can be posted. You can see I like slim. Banana Boi saw pics of Donut's face. He did not find her quite as stunning as I did. His spec is different. For faces, personal taste counts a lot.
2nd pic is Bai Fern a long gone favourite massage girl. Its a tiny shop pic of her and does not really do her justice. She probably was not that white but her face was less puffy than in the pic.
I did not take either of these pics myself. I never got a pic of the girl with a 10 body at Cherry Massage. I am not a regular poster of pics.

Pics of Gaew at Pink are probably still on their website even she is long gone. Her body was close to a ten. O.K. I can't find the Pink Massage web site any more.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Some pics from their web site are not much of an effort but that's fine. You tried and that's what counts.

When I read that you had the pick of the litter at Thermae that doesn't ring true either but whatever floats your boat. The Asian guys tend to have whatever they want there but I've never seen a westerner.

Do that well and I've been in there plenty. I know that if you live in BKK it is a totally different game, a better game but as a tourist I find it to be cold and all business w 85% of the hot hookers.

Here's a personally taken pic of an 8 in my book. I'm not censoring her because she did not perform at the end of our time together. We had a blast until it was bedtime.

That's what I don't like about Thailand, the women are spoiled and have all the power. The streets in BKK are overflowing w / foreign dick every visit, never a slow season there.

The happiest people on this planet have to be the hot Bangkok Gogo dancers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Here's one of them, actually a Pattaya gogo dancer.

To close out, a properly censored pic can prove what you really take home w / out any repercussions to you. Maybe a few per 500 posts LOL.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;1930700]Hi all,

Can someone suggest a hotel bear Sukhumvit or Nana plaza Aralea which is girl friendly and has nice jacuzzi in the rooms?[/QUOTE]This thread is getting clogged up with people asking about hotels when there is a thread called Bangkok Hotels. Try asking there.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/URL]

Hi Friends,

Max here from the India (Bangalore) forum. I have a friend (Indian citizen) who's travelling from Beijing to Bangalore with a layover at BKK airport for 10 hours. I answered his queries based on my experience in BKK. Please let me know if I got all the facts right. Thanks in advance!

1: Do I need to have a visa-on-arrival to get out of Suvarnabhumi airport for 10 hours? Is that easy?

- Yes. You will either have to pay the airport tax (around 800 Baht) or the get the visa if you're leaving the airport. You will have to check this at the airport. It is easy, but might take about 20 minutes to an hour if there's a queue for visa. To make the process easier, carry some passport size photos of different sizes.

2. Is there ANY chance at all that I get some massage + extras inside the Airport massage places? (This question is because of the concern over going out alone in an unknown place.)

- Nope. Very unlikely to get extras. There are a few massage parlors but getting happy ending there is unlikely.

3. Is it safe for an Indian in the soapy massage places in Sukhumvit and Nana? Is it Safe to take my carry on laptop bag to these places?

- Yes, BKK is a safe place. You can take your carry-on luggage to almost all of these MPs. Just be careful you don't misplace them. Don't worry about getting overpowered / manhandled and looted, it's highly unlikely.

4. Are there any language issues at these soapy massage parlors?

- Don't expect the girls to know English. The mamasan (one who runs the show) would know a little bit of English and you should be able to get what you want.

- If possible extend your stay for a day or more, BKK deserves more attention.

Cheers guys, please let me know!

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1930074]This year in my mongering trip in April I never paid more than 2000 bht to a girl from Climax and 3000 bht for a lady from Mixx / Spasso if she is Thai and 3000-5000 bht if she is CIS or Latino from shock -Mixx -Spasso [/QUOTE]Aaw come on Alex, this is just not fair. Dude, you are comparing apples to oranges. As we all know, you have game, my friend. When you, sir, enter a joint, you schmooze, you slide, you wink, and half a dozen girls swoon. Not all of us are like the charming mutherfucker you see in the mirror every morning. When I schmooze, they go home and shower because it makes them feel dirty. When I slide, they grab my elbow thinking I might fall and break my hip. When I wink, people call 911 since they think I am having a stroke. So Alex7 J I am not.

I guess I pay a premium for being a mere mortal, not being endowed with the slick charisma of a gent of your abilities. Having said all of that, I really do enjoy myself, and the price I pay is perfectly fine for me. I get quoted such prices, and often more than that. I eventually settle on the prices I stated, and those prices were obviously an estimate made upon my own experiences. But the fact that you manage so much better than me tells everyone that the market is flexible. If a monger is able to go that low, they should certainly do so. For that, I think your post is very helpful and informative.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1930074]Cheers guys: Change your mongering pattern.[/QUOTE]Cheers Alex, but no thanks. I'm good.

[QUOTE=Socker;1930807]I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Some pics from their web site are not much of an effort but that's fine. You tried and that's what counts.

When I read that you had the pick of the litter at Thermae that doesn't ring true either but whatever floats your boat. The Asian guys tend to have whatever they want there but I've never seen a westerner.

Do that well and I've been in there plenty. I know that if you live in BKK it is a totally different game, a better game but as a tourist I find it to be cold and all business w 85% of the hot hookers.

Here's a personally taken pic of an 8 in my book. I'm not censoring her because she did not perform at the end of our time together. We had a blast until it was bedtime.

That's what I don't like about Thailand, the women are spoiled and have all the power. The streets in BKK are overflowing w / foreign dick every visit, never a slow season there.

The happiest people on this planet have to be the hot Bangkok Gogo dancers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Here's one of them, actually a Pattaya gogo dancer.

To close out, a properly censored pic can prove what you really take home w / out any repercussions to you. Maybe a few per 500 posts LOL.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Spot on Socker. As a long time resident I will tell you that it is no different for most of us here. Those of us who have been here a decade plus do remember when it was different and that is why we moved here in the first place. It is a seller's market now and has been for quite some time. Anyone who claims it is a buyer's market really hasn't a clue.

Pop on over to the Tijuana streetwalker's thread. Great pic of a gal this dude did for less than 20 USD. Amazing body. And probably got about the same service as you get from a hundred dollar GoGo gal in BKK or Patters. When I moved over going rate in Mex border towns was 40 - 50 USD. Here it was 1 K Baht. Price and performance were better here. Seems that has flipped. "Who'd a thunk it?

[QUOTE=Socker;1930807]I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Some pics from their web site are not much of an effort but that's fine. You tried and that's what counts.

When I read that you had the pick of the litter at Thermae that doesn't ring true either but whatever floats your boat. The Asian guys tend to have whatever they want there but I've never seen a westerner.

Do that well and I've been in there plenty. I know that if you live in BKK it is a totally different game, a better game but as a tourist I find it to be cold and all business w 85% of the hot hookers.

Here's a personally taken pic of an 8 in my book. I'm not censoring her because she did not perform at the end of our time together. We had a blast until it was bedtime.

That's what I don't like about Thailand, the women are spoiled and have all the power. The streets in BKK are overflowing w / foreign dick every visit, never a slow season there.

The happiest people on this planet have to be the hot Bangkok Gogo dancers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Here's one of them, actually a Pattaya gogo dancer.

To close out, a properly censored pic can prove what you really take home w / out any repercussions to you. Maybe a few per 500 posts LOL.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]The girl in your pic looks very much like a girl I took once from Shark about two years ago and during the next year took a couple more times from Baccara on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. But it is not the same girl, just looks very much like her except my girl had slightly lighter skin. So I use that as a reference to, well, bolster some of what you said and also maybe argue against some of what you said.

The "argue against" part of it is that I would not be the least bit surprised that no matter what game I had or rewards I offered short of a sizable bank roll, an "8" in Pattaya would pull exactly what you said happened in your case with that girl; non performance. LOL. But that is my take on Pattaya in general, not of Bangkok. I used to prefer Pattaya over Bangkok but over the past few years no way. The half dozen or so girls I have had on my trips to Pattaya over the past 2-3 years have been a total waste of time, emotion and money, even the ones who barely came through with whatever they had enthusiastically agreed to do in the bar. But Bangkok is different. Which is one of the big reasons I now live in Bangkok instead of Pattaya. So I would argue that a much bigger factor in that girl not performing was not that she was intrinsically a "spoiled" Thai girl but that you found her in Pattaya instead of Bangkok! Pattaya girls are "spoiled" compared with Bangkok girls. Spoiled by guys who are probably too drunk most of the time to even know whether they've paid for good, bad, indifferent or no sex at all with the girls down there.

But the go-go girl I had in Bangkok, who I am sure you would have rated at least an "8" because she was so similar to the one in your pic, did perform beautifully. And she delivered what in my book really and truly counts as a GFE. As you might have read in my other posts, you can take that as politically correct code for delivering what any adult man would naturally expect from a real girlfriend he'd been with over a significant amount of time in terms of real skin-on-skin FS and BJs.

However, in keeping with the other conditions you mentioned, the "bolster" part is I did not take her the first time I met her, chatted her up and bought her a Ladydrink. Since I live here (and because I actually was too busy to take her on that first meeting) I took her a week or so later when I returned to Shark Bar. So living here and her seeing me a week or so prior to our first ST together, as well as taking her to my permanent apartment, not to a hotel room, might have had a bearing on her being willing to give me a true GFE. I should also say I paid her at least 500 baht more than she probably is paid for the usual "lick around the edges, slip on a cap and proceed" quality of service. I paid her 3,000 baht for what amounted to more than 90 minutes of real GFE in my apartment. To me, that extra 500 baht was well worth it. And I have gotten the same quality of service from girls at least as attractive as her if not more for the usual 2000-2500ST rate for go-go girls in those kinds of bars.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922937]There are Hotels nearby with ST rooms when available, e. G. Ruamchit or Miami. Not great Hotels to stay in normally most likely, or perhaps Ruamchit has two sections.[/QUOTE]Did a pickup with a girl near (not in) Thermae so we went to Ruamchit for ST room. I was surprised to see the reception stylishly remodeled from the previous drab decor. I was even more surprised to be charged B650 for the room. I was in a time-vs-money mood, so I payed rather than challenge or walk out. The room was more like a normal remodeled tourist-class hotel room than a short time room (there were sheets and blanket on the bed), so the class was well above venues such as Asoke Place (near Cowboy) or di Place (near Nana Plaza).

I should just walk over and ask, but I was wondering if there were any other experiences. Is there another class of room at Ruamchitt? What are the rates at Miami? Thanks and enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1930940]Spot on Socker. As a long time resident I will tell you that it is no different for most of us here. Those of us who have been here a decade plus do remember when it was different and that is why we moved here in the first place. It is a seller's market now and has been for quite some time. Anyone who claims it is a buyer's market really hasn't a clue.

Pop on over to the Tijuana streetwalker's thread. Great pic of a gal this dude did for less than 20 USD. Amazing body. And probably got about the same service as you get from a hundred dollar GoGo gal in BKK or Patters. When I moved over going rate in Mex border towns was 40 - 50 USD. Here it was 1 K Baht. Price and performance were better here. Seems that has flipped. "Who'd a thunk it?[/QUOTE]I was in Tijuana last week and I was unlucky w / the escorts. The ones I wanted to see were busy or on the men and so the owner of the escort service suggested a really sexy one but she couldn't stop giggling while I put my moves on her. She was out the door in 20 minutes, she was nice looking too. Generally in my Tijuana experience the escorts are the only game in town for GFE when language challenged. I have been trying to learn espanol for over 5 years and I still struggle w / it. Fluid conversation is my aim and I won't stop trying. Right now I'm using an online service called Language Bird and it's excellent. They probably offer Thai too but forget about it. Spanish is hard enough. Thai would be impossible to learn properly.

Back to the pussy.

In Tijuana the SGs are all non GFE but out of a 100 I saw last Friday night about 3 or 4 were DDG model level. The sight of these ladies in their skirts that don't quite cover their beautiful asses is heart attack material. I have GFE ingrained so deeply I usually never consider them for sport but next time down I will gladly hire one for $20 to bounce up and down on me for 20 minutes. If you want to see their tits that's extra, touching another extra, but my word it would be worth it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1930950]The girl in your pic looks very much like a girl I took once from Shark about two years ago and during the next year took a couple more times from Baccara on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. But it is not the same girl, just looks very much like her except my girl had slightly lighter skin. So I use that as a reference to, well, bolster some of what you said and also maybe argue against some of what you said.

The "argue against" part of it is that I would not be the least bit surprised that no matter what game I had or rewards I offered short of a sizable bank roll, an "8" in Pattaya would pull exactly what you said happened in your case with that girl; non performance. LOL. But that is my take on Pattaya in general, not of Bangkok. I used to prefer Pattaya over Bangkok but over the past few years no way. The half dozen or so girls I have had on my trips to Pattaya over the past 2-3 years have been a total waste of time, emotion and money, even the ones who barely came through with whatever they had enthusiastically agreed to do in the bar. But Bangkok is different. Which is one of the big reasons I now live in Bangkok instead of Pattaya. So I would argue that a much bigger factor in that girl not performing was not that she was intrinsically a "spoiled" Thai girl but that you found her in Pattaya instead of Bangkok! Pattaya girls are "spoiled" compared with Bangkok girls..[/QUOTE]A lot of guys would deny that my beautiful Pattaya hooker is not an 8 but you have the confidence and an accurate rating eye as I.

I'm not bragging, that kind of hooker never gives me the time of day, maybe only to get a few LDs is the closest I usually get to their beautiful sexy pussies. If I lived there I would work the scene completely differently but I don't yet. In my rotation of countries Thailand blows all other places away in quality and numbers so when I'm there it's quite frustrating. Never getting the most beautiful dancer 8 out of 10 tries is frustrating and is why I am not stopping there during my next trip. I will stay in the PI and if I want quality Makati is where I go. On many occasions I have seen stunners equal to the Thai women I'm talking about and in Makati they all say yes. I am never disregarded as I am in Thailand. I just can't settle for the Thai crumbs as a desperate tourist on a vacation. I am not that well versed on all the options in BKK but I know the game they all play and that all keep an eye on each other. Gogo girl peer pressure is part of the reason for my struggles.

An example, a few months ago I was in the Patpong district (which I like the best) and in the bar I'm the only customer. The dancer is incredibly sexy, a tiny spinner in black lingerie, she is the thinnest dancer I ever saw. So I ask her down and we have a drink for 10 minutes w / nice conversation. She then returns to the stage 10 feet in front of me and dances the next 3 songs w / her back to me. She is dancing to an empty row of seats and I'm sitting there and my smile fades away as she ignores the only customer in there. For me that's inexplicable but not when you think of all the uppidy Thai gogo girls. I say adios to that, it still angers me w that kind of snobbery. Fuck them. The sweet pinays will collect my hard earned dough and treat me like a king.

Anyhoo, that's the reality right now and my job is to avoid it. I'll be on a plane in a couple of days so I'm pretty jacked up. Thanks for the great reply. I totally agree w / your pov and fortunately as we all know, there's always a way to find the sweet spot.

Cheers!

Baccara. Arrived at 10. Absolutely packed. Decided to go to 2nd floor. Saw 2 groups on 2nd floor and couldn't look at average Thai girls any more so went back down to the main group downstairs. Miraculously, we found a table. Definitely some nice girls there but imo talent has slipped. I prefer the top girls at Baccara Pattaya over BKK. My favorite was 109 who would be Syzy's nightmare. Complete Barbie doll plastic face. I liked her more because of her happiness than her looks. Unlike most zombies at Baccara, this girl has fun. I would have barfined her no brainer but she made it to 2 tables away from me. May return tonight.

Crazy House. I actually saw a girl I liked here but she was busy. The rest of the talent was below Windmill talent at Pattaya. Very similar looking girls to Windmill except Windmill is a dirtier club. I won't be returning to CH for some time.

Midnite. As a joke we were going to take my friend here because some ladyboys who could pass as girls here. His first full day ever in Thailand. Couldn't pull the trigger but would have been funny to see him hit on a ladyboy.

Rainbow 4 - this imo is the best club in BKK and arguably better than Pattaya as well. I enjoy the atmosphere and music. The girls are amazing I really liked 37 and 88. If my buddy finds a LT girl at thermae tonight I'm going here first.

Rainbow 1 - Walked in and out. Not that there weren't a couple of ok girls here but I don't think there were many more than 15 girls. We were in a rush to get back to Thermae by midnight.

Thermae was packed with guys at 9 pm last night. The fullest I have ever seen it. I didn't see any new must do girls for me so within the hour decided to walk to Soi Cowboy. Returned after midnight and still packed but not as bad. There was a petite girl with glasses who had a LOS Angeles shirt earlier but she was missing. Got a text from my friend at 2:30 am that she was back but I was already eating with 2 girls. I guess a 3rd girl would have been nice but not necessary. I would have went with the glasses girl. Maybe tonight. Lineup definitely seems down this month.

Going rate for all girls appears to be 2500 for 1 hour now. Was 2 hours before. To be honest I am a bit disappointed with Thermae this month, possibly because I am familiar with all the girls there.

[QUOTE=Socker;1930807]I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Some pics from their web site are not much of an effort but that's fine. You tried and that's what counts.

When I read that you had the pick of the litter at Thermae that doesn't ring true either but whatever floats your boat. The Asian guys tend to have whatever they want there but I've never seen a westerner.

Do that well and I've been in there plenty. I know that if you live in BKK it is a totally different game, a better game but as a tourist I find it to be cold and all business w 85% of the hot hookers.

Here's a personally taken pic of an 8 in my book. I'm not censoring her because she did not perform at the end of our time together. We had a blast until it was bedtime.

That's what I don't like about Thailand, the women are spoiled and have all the power. The streets in BKK are overflowing w / foreign dick every visit, never a slow season there.

The happiest people on this planet have to be the hot Bangkok Gogo dancers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Here's one of them, actually a Pattaya gogo dancer.

To close out, a properly censored pic can prove what you really take home w / out any repercussions to you. Maybe a few per 500 posts LOL.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Someone writes that they found a really pretty girl with a great body, and later maybe had a great GFE session. You just want to come along and belittle that or "Put down". After all its not possible to find really hot girls and your taste has to be much better than mine. ha ha.

I did point out that my marks are based on my spec. I did not claim to get the pic of the litter at Thermae. Merely a girl that appealed suffificiently at the time. Not one of my favourites at all. Not a 9.

Gaew at Pink was a 9 for body, extremely good, and an 8 for face to my spec. I like slim curvy girls. That was excluding performance as a separate rating. She was not a really top performer by any means. Donut and Bai Fern were great GFE girls. Gaew was mentioned purely as you don't find oily girls with a body that good very often.

You criticise pics I obtained that were postable but served up a very dim pic. Not exactly spectacular either. Maybe just some girl you were happy to show the face, I don't know.

There is little point arguing whose taste is better. The girl in your pic has a face that is not my type at all. I would not give her a 2nd glance, most likely. I like a much smaller face. Or maybe she is so short her head looks big. It is just personal taste. I can't see her body well enough to comment there.

So like me you don't have a lot of great pics to post. I don't have any pics if Bai Fern or Gaew that I took myself. I do have a few pics of Donut that I am not posting. I merely reponded to a request to show what types of girls I like. I was not trying to start a competition.

So now you know. I thought Gaew had a fantastic body only ever surpassed in Oilies by one girl at Cherry who stayed a very short time, for girls I met and fucked. Not the prettiest face ever in oilies but not far away. Most oily MP girls don't even get close to her looks. I found a new one now not far behind Gaew for looks but don't have any pics to post.

I have posted some pics of girls naked with head cut off before. But I am not Shane Hot regularly taking pics.

If you don't believe I ever had a session with the girls pictured, that is your problem, I don't care. Anyone can go into CH and see the girls I quoted and what they look like excepting Donut who has been missing for some time. Also the fabulous Nat and May Lee are long gone, but others may have met them. None of the current CH girls are a 9 for looks by any means.

Anyone could have gone to Yoremichi and checked out Bai Fern when I first posted about my session. Others did agree with about the stunning body on the Cherry Massage girl at the time. No I do not have a pic of her. I only ever got one session and her face was only an 8.

I won't be posting pics of all my girls and I really can't be bothered to go through pic processing to censor them. Most of my pics of girls I did not take myself and they arrive via LINE App. I am not an avid photographer.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1930957]Did a pickup with a girl near (not in) Thermae so we went to Ruamchit for ST room. I was surprised to see the reception stylishly remodeled from the previous drab decor. I was even more surprised to be charged B650 for the room. I was in a time-vs-money mood, so I payed rather than challenge or walk out. The room was more like a normal remodeled tourist-class hotel room than a short time room (there were sheets and blanket on the bed), so the class was well above venues such as Asoke Place (near Cowboy) or di Place (near Nana Plaza).

I should just walk over and ask, but I was wondering if there were any other experiences. Is there another class of room at Ruamchitt? What are the rates at Miami? Thanks and enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]The rates at Miami for St room are lower. The rooms are not great quality but as long as do not stink I am OK. LOL. Rate starts at 300 I think but more for a larger size room.

[QUOTE=Socker;1930807]I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. [/QUOTE]Gaew at Pink was miles hotter looking than the girl in your pic, I suspect for a lot of guys. Gaew had wonderful tits too. Not best performer ever but okay For me. Sometimes Gaew was interesting as would do unusual things, to be not too boring, like one day I fucked her from behind in standing position in front of the room mirror so we could watch the action like a porno. Probably she was just admiring herself, I don't know. However she seemed to be in a horny mood that day.

Gaew was so hot, that the first day I saw her, she was arriving at Soi 24 on a motor bike. My jaw dropped. I had to see where she was going and she went into Pink. I had already just had a fuck, so I had to come back for Gaew another day. Found her pic on a Japanese website site and fortunately when translated to English I could guess her name was Gaew. Not a 9 for you, who knows why, but a model for me. One of a very very small number of Oily girls with really great bodies. Later turned out that Nic Frenchy was also a big fan of Gaew at Pink. He agreed she was damn hot.

For performance, Gaew was never really top class GFE, but her looks made up for it. I probably sessioned at least 6 times, as she took quite a long time before she disappeared, like all the really hot girls do, mostly far quicker.

[QUOTE=SmogXZ;1930880]
- Yes. You will either have to pay the airport tax (around 800 Baht) or the get the visa if you're leaving the airport. You will have to check this at the airport. It is easy, but might take about 20 minutes to an hour if there's a queue for visa. To make the process easier, carry some passport size photos of different sizes.
[/QUOTE]There used to be an Airport departure tax of 500 baht to pay, maybe that is not what you refer to, which has gone away (included in the ticket price these days). I don't understand Visa requirements for Indians. It varies depending on what country you come from. I am not sure if you can leave an airport, if it is not an official stop on your flight booking. If you can, it may well affect taxes to be paid. I never have stop over here without staying at least a whole day. Why would anyone want to stay just a few hours? LOL My life is never that busy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930969]
Crazy House. I actually saw a girl I liked here but she was busy. The rest of the talent was below Windmill talent at Pattaya. Very similar looking girls to Windmill except Windmill is a dirtier club. I won't be returning to CH for some time.
[/QUOTE]I am not saying you are wrong, but can you be more specific what is wrong with the girls? Great bodies but faces not pretty enough, same as like I say, or different reasons, e. G. Small tits, too skinny, or not enough surgeries, or not looking sufficiently like western girls? Yes I know very well that a few girls are downright ugly, and show girls are horrible, but I refer moreso to the better girls.

Yes I agree the best girls get busy very quickly indeed. There are very limited numbers of really pretty ones. Best lookers will get BFed before 9.30PM typically unless they only just arrived.

Windmill is dirtier how? I presume you mean raunchy rather than uncleaned?

During daytime soi cowboy looks really quiet compared to the bars outside of nana plaza.

[URL]https://youtu.be/zISXZX99qZY[/URL]

[QUOTE=AsianVid;1931012]During daytime soi cowboy looks really quiet compared to the bars outside of nana plaza.

[URL]https://youtu.be/zISXZX99qZY[/URL][/QUOTE]Cowboy is completely closed daytime. So why look at it daytime? Just to see the nothing? Perhaps this is not well known to all. Yes Nana Soi 4 has lots of daytime bars, "Morning Night", Stumble Inn, the Hillarys? etc. You could go there and get a daytime fuck, no problem. Cowboy does not have much at all. Massage shops and sports pubs nearby are open daytime. Love Scene restaurant is open 24 hours. These are not actually right inside the Cowboy.

I watched the start of the video and was surprised by the "hive of activity" LOL (I exaggerate). I guess it was not taken at 10AM as activity looks too high. Perhaps late afternoon?

The worst time of all to see Cowboy and Soi 23 is after the bars close. The horribly drunk girls stumbling all over the place, their Thai boys waiting with motorcycles to pick them up. Rats on piles of garbage. An incredibly ugly scene. I always try to be gone well before that if possible. I suggest to guys, don't stay there past 2AM, and don't show up till at least 8.30PM

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930983]I won't be posting pics of all my girls and I really can't be bothered to go through pic processing to censor them. Most of my pics of girls I did not take myself and they arrive via LINE App. I am not an avid photographer.[/QUOTE]Agree totally with Syzygies on this topic. Having gotten burned years ago where a fucking mooch came to me for contact details and then not only showed my posted pics to the girl, he had the stones to publicly post "how unhappy the girl was that I posted her pics". Not again. After that, everything I posted was airbrushed to mask identity and any requests for identifiable information were ignored.

Syzygies posts quite detailed information about working girls (working venue, name, tag number, etc.), so it is pretty easy to go see for ourselves what he is talking about. Don't agree with his assessment? Fine, go and get something yourself that fits your spec. It is rare that any two guys see the same girl the same way at the same time. If Syz started posting pics, especially naughty pics, it would be a day or two before some bottom-feeding mooch was showing a girl the pics for whatever reason (some guys want to get the same trophies, some guys are just assholes, pick your reason). And seconds after that the girls would almost certainly TALK. Of course this would not hurt the loser who "passed on" the information to the girl, but it would most certainly hurt the reputation of the guy who did the posting. Don't believe? Don't care. I have been there and done that and had it happen to me.

Years back I had a girl in Blok M Jakarta whom I took pics and video. Never posted online. However another guy had her, took pics and posted to this site. When I was in My Bar she came up from behind me angry as hell and whacked me hard. I couldn't figure for what then she mentioned pics on Internet. Had to spend the next 5 minutes assuring her it wasn't me. That was grief that I didn't need. The net-net is that even though I have pics, especially those sent via LINE, WeChat, etc. , it is generally not worth the downside. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931028]Agree totally with Syzygies on this topic.
Syzygies posts quite detailed information about working girls (working venue, name, tag number, etc.), so it is pretty easy to go see for ourselves what he is talking about. Don't agree with his assessment? Fine, go and get something yourself that fits your spec.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, and spot on. I want to maintain good relations with a girl. I don't need guys quoting my posts to the girls. Pics are dangerous. I collect a few pics for my personal memories, and not to compete on the forum for who has the best taste. I am well aware my taste is not the same as everyone.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931010]I am not saying you are wrong, but can you be more specific what is wrong with the girls?

Windmill is dirtier how? I presume you mean raunchy rather than uncleaned?[/QUOTE]They aren't A class girls lookswise, face or body for my taste. I am a face guy so no I guess lack of model or very cute faces is an issue for me. I'm not saying there may not be 1-2 I may like on occasion but definitely not enough. They are what you find in many gogo bars in Pattaya, the ones I rarely attend. You really need to check out the Pattaya scene. MUCH more fun than BKK and yes most bars have girls to your specs rather than mine.

Windmill is about as raunchy as can be. Beer bottles up pussies then the guys drink from them, ice cubes up pussy then dropped in your drink, guys eating girls out on stage and their tables, girls pulling your hands to their pussies to be fingered, fingers in ass, HJ, etc etc. I think you get the picture. 1000 BF + 2000 for 2 hour ST. A recent influx of a few decent looking girls at Windmill makes it attractive to me. It has sucked there for quite some time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1930983]I won't be posting pics of all my girls and I really can't be bothered to go through pic processing to censor them. Most of my pics of girls I did not take myself and they arrive via LINE App. I am not an avid photographer.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this unless I have consent of the girl to post a photo. I ask every girl for a photo. The only ones who have ever said no are the massage girls. 2 Thermae girls said no to photos too but then gave me their Line where they have hundreds of photos or themselves. Didn't understand that at all. Ask a top gogo girl for a photo and next thing you know they have your phone in their hands taking selfies. They know they're hot.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931003]Gaew at Pink was miles hotter looking than the girl in your pic, I suspect for a lot of guys. Gaew had wonderful tits too. Not best performer ever but okay For me. Sometimes Gaew was interesting as would do unusual things, to be not too boring, like one day I fucked her from behind in standing position in front of the room mirror so we could watch the action like a porno. Probably she was just admiring herself, I don't know. However she seemed to be in a horny mood that day.[/QUOTE]Initially I thought you were claiming to have 100% access to the Thermae women which to me (if you're caucasian) just doesn't ring true. If you're very young and good looking maybe the options there improve and of course if you're a young Korean or Japanese you have full access to all the Thermae women. I get the impression you're Caucasian but I might be wrong and you have full access, congrats if that's the case. As I read further back in this forum I see that you realize the 5% of DDG Thermae ladies are hard to even talk to. So I was off on my critique of your statements about the Thermae, my apologies.

Now as for the soapy babe Gaew, after a closer look she is quite pretty and if that pic is accurate I would rate her face an 8. As for 9's I don't think they frequent the bars mentioned here but you did mention a 9 and so I responded to that and again, I was mistaken. You did not claim to BF a 9 you were just talking about what you would happily accept, again my apologies.

I also understand why you had a need to knock my real photo so no problem w / that either. Both the ladies we're talking about have a totally different face and body type. For me I like both and I would say in my opinion they are both 8's.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931050]I don't need guys quoting my posts to the girls. Pics are dangerous. I collect a few pics for my personal memories, and not to compete on the forum for who has the best taste. I am well aware my taste is not the same as everyone.[/QUOTE]Competing over who has the best looking woman would be absurd and that was not my intent. I only posted a photo to graphically display my opinion and that was all it was meant to be. I took the pic. I took it for my memories and to share w / fellow BMs to prove what I am saying. She was super fine and a dud in bed, that's why I did not censor her face. I wanted to treat the guys here and I paid for the pics, she did not keep her word about our BF and so here she is.

A lot of guys (maybe not you) throw around big numbers and that's the end of it and we the BMs have to take their word for it. I am done with taking someones word for it unless I personally know what kind of taste the poster has. You are a prolific poster and sometimes give the impression that all DDG women in Thailand are easily obtainable. I think I was wrong about that but still you come off pretty cocky. When I get that impression from any poster than I want some visual proof otherwise it's hot air.

As for posting pics here and on another 4 major boards I am a prolific photo taker. Why? Because that's how I think a good job is done. Entertaining text along w / photos to back up the text. I am a tourist so I am not faced w / the possibility of being confronted by an angry BG. I understand that guys who live where they monger have to adhere to a different set rules as a precaution. No Problem w / that.

Nevertheless if I lived there I would find a way to post photos on rare occasions to back up my idea of what beautiful is. I would absolutely not post faces or leave any identifying tatts or jewelry in a photo I posted. If you look back at my posting record you will see I post every kind of sexy photo including xxx and my equipment (tool) is not that impressive. But I was taught from the very beginning of my life if it's worth doing it's worth doing well.

On occasion I go way out of my way to bring the BMs here and on other boards right into my bed. That is the most intense type of TR and that's what I do. I don't expect it from others but I do expect to trust ratings that other BMs say they enjoy. If there are no pics in their history then how am I suppose to know what they think an 8 is? All the 80 year old mongers anywhere think all women are 10's and that's because they are so grateful to have any. Good for them. But they're not really bedding 10's are they.

So that's what I am saying and w / you I did not read enough or look hard enough about what you were saying. I have already apologized for that. As a side note I see AR is posting here and I know his history on ISG and if he said he got lucky and hooked up w / a 9 I would believe it to be true. Why? Because he used to be a prolific photo poster and his taste was there for all to see and he censored his models. He did it in a way that you could easily tell they were stunning.

So in jest I suggested you post a censored photo of your conquests every 500 post so we could know what you really think is an 8, or 9 etc is. The internet pics will suffice but it is the easy way out, those pics still give an idea of what you are taking about when you throw out big numbers. So end of story. Oh, and for me an 8 is an awesome creature, if only I could enjoy 8's every time out and that they provide the intensity I grave in bed. Happy Hunting Sir. I feel like posting a few pics. This time another Pattaya gogo dancer (a nice sexy young 6) who had this exotic look w / nice big be cups. She delivered as you can see. Probably not up to some BM standards here but I don't live there and have to make do the best I can. As you can see she is not recognizable w / zero photo shop. For the BMs.

Cheers.

Hi all,

I am visiting first time Bangkok and Pattaya from 17 to 23 September. I will be very grateful to seniors over here if they can list down all the places where mongering could be easily done. Also if possible share some contacts too.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Socker;1931102]
Now as for the soapy babe Gaew, after a closer look she is quite pretty and if that pic is accurate I would rate her face an 8. As for 9's I don't think they frequent the bars mentioned here but you did mention a 9 and so I responded to that and again, I was mistaken. [/QUOTE]If you never met the real Gaew you are not entitled to comment really. Her face was probably only an 8 but her body was mighty close to a 10. Was hard to pick any faults with the body at all. Fabulous curves, fabulous ass, and fabulous tits probably Cee cup. Overall looks mark, a 9 is reasonable.

Today I was in Survey mode. Firstly in Thermae with Banana Boi.

I had to admit to finding about five or seven girls that were quite doable (meaning pretty for me). Would have been difficult to decide which one. Of course I don't know which of them would have accepted me.

Rat my previous girl from Thermae was there. She still looked mighty cute to me. However knowing she does not kiss at all, that is a stumbling block. She still makes it into the top half dozen for looks (my taste). Banana Boi did not take a girl either. His friend did.

We then moved on to Nana Plaza. Mackin had recommended to me Twisters. 2nd floor right side. It has taken over the old Rainbow 4 bar. Rainbow 4 has moved to old Candyland bar in the back corner, but redecorated it (again). Previously Candyland was a horrible dismal failure in the spot and with the bad decoration. Candyland has moved to where Candyland 2 was located. Candyland2 was previously Hot Lips until taken over. Temptations (LB bar) is in between. Have I confused everyone yet?

Girls in Twisters wore a Coyote outfit or bikini. A small number of girls were topless and 90% of those topless had incredibly beautiful young high tits with no sag, not large but very nice shape, mostly. Some girls were excessively pretty. I think there may have been about four girls who I could rate close to a 9 out of 10, with great faces and bodies. Natty Bumpo will love this bar, I reckon. Plenty of excessively cute girls.

The level of Saiyagum (Surgeries) was low enough. Not that many nose jobs and silicones. Again I would have great difficulty choosing a girl. Several very hot looking girls for my taste. Some even had big naturals, unfortunately covered.

One girl looked like she knew how to dance, was playing up with her friend very playfully, was a tall slim model, so I called her over. Name was Naam Bpun (rhymes with fun) and means an ice shake drink. She was about 28 and one of a few girls (approx. 10) that do not go with customers (she is married to a DJ). No matter, I liked her and I did not intend to BF anyone. Most girls would have been younger. She would be able to tell me all about the place. Going for a few months. She worked there for 2 months. Bpun claimed to 177cm. More like 173 I reckon. Many guys would guess LB, but clearly was not could be easily seen despite the height. Very small waist and good curves. Tits looked nice enough.

Lady drinks are 185 Baht a bit expensive. Customer drinks are cheaper than Crazy House. BF is 1000 expensive. All or almost all girls are designated as Coyotes, even though clearly many are not, since they dress incorrectly for Coyote style and cannot dance Coyote style either. Most girls were dancing reasonably energetically, so not like the Baccara shuffle. Music had some proper songs, but was mostly disco style stuff which can hardly be called music by my generation. DJ is messing with songs too much. A Michael Jackson hit became almost unrecognisable, disco-ised.

There were two groups of girls doing 15 min sets. Dancing on two stages maybe about 30 girls at a time.

For looks the line up had variation as for all bars, but no fatties at all, and all girls were above average. No super ugly girls that I noticed. The best looking girls were really superior. So the line up shits on Crazy House (right now), and also is a cut significantly above Billboard. This is for looks and for a guy like me biased towards natural Thai looks and towards slim models, tit size not important to me. This is best gogo bar line up I have seen in recent memory, for guys not that keen on surgeries. Very different to Baccara. Most customers were Japanese, but a good number of Farangs, similar mix to Crazy House except customers looked classier. My girl Bpun commented that Japanese like it here due to girls not being typical Isaan look, e. G. Not really the dark skin flat squashed nose girls. My girl was from Nakorn Pathom (not Isaan). However I am sure most girls were from Isaan, whether it was considered a classic Isaan look or not.

It was commented that some girls here set a very high price on themselves with upper limit probably 5000 Baht. I said to Bpun, that would shock Farangs. She did not mention what the lower limit girl asking price but I suspect it may not be so good. So the main reason we did not see a lot of obviously regular Farang customers there, maybe that girls are too expensive. I don't know yet. Perhaps Banana Boi asked some girls how much? I don't know. Some girls might be worth 3 K or so due to being stunning, but there were also plenty of more average girls that would not be worth large numbers.

Clearly I will return another day to see if a very pretty girl can be obtained for a good price and give a good GFE. Otherwise my cute Billboard girl with fab GFE for a reasonable price may win out.

I can even go out to the Nana Carpark and get a very nice girl for 1500. Today met Aor in carpark, and noted to try her another day. Very cute for me. Not a 9 by any means but still looking nice. Maybe a 7 would be more realistic. Word has spread in nana Carpark, already by girls I took previously, that I am a nice guy and girls should like me.

After Twisters I went to have a look in Rainbow 4. They have downsized dramatically. This Ex Candland bar has a single stage. Maybe up to about 15 girls were dancing at one time. They were almost all clones. Light skinned adjusted surgeries looks to make them look more western. I did not like them much. Similar to Baccara style but perhaps a bit more classy looking than Baccara. No way RB4 will drag me away from Twisters. Girls looks just not in the same league for my style. RB4 had less customers and seemed very stodgy in comparison. I wonder if it will really work for them in that back corner.

Twisters bar could easily be my goto bar, provided I can find that the very pretty girls can be GFE for an acceptable price. This remains to be seen.

[QUOTE=Socker;1931102]
I also understand why you had a need to knock my real photo so no problem w / that either. Both the ladies we're talking about have a totally different face and body type. For me I like both and I would say in my opinion they are both 8's.
[/QUOTE]Yes I did knock the quality of the pic, since you started the picture knocking (even though I stated I did not even take the pics. I just had to use what was available that I could post). So your effort level for the pic was little better than mine. As for the girl, it just showed that your taste and mine is very different. I commented I could not see how good her body was. My pic of donut did give a better idea of the body. It was a selfie she took I believe (but the face is not shown - her choice). The figure looks realistic. You can see her tits are small. You can't see that they are good looking tits despite the just A cup.

Some photos I have taken don't turn out the best. That is normal, snapped in a dark room. However I prefer not to post the ones with bad lighting or other problems, if at all possible.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1931096]They aren't A class girls lookswise, face or body for my taste. I am a face guy so no I guess lack of model or very cute faces is an issue for me. I'm not saying there may not be 1-2 I may like on occasion but definitely not enough. They are what you find in many gogo bars in Pattaya, the ones I rarely attend. You really need to check out the Pattaya scene. MUCH more fun than BKK and yes most bars have girls to your specs rather than mine.

Windmill is about as raunchy as can be. Beer bottles up pussies then the guys drink from them, ice cubes up pussy then dropped in your drink, guys eating girls out on stage and their tables, girls pulling your hands to their pussies to be fingered, fingers in ass, HJ, etc etc. I think you get the picture. 1000 BF + 2000 for 2 hour ST. A recent influx of a few decent looking girls at Windmill makes it attractive to me. It has sucked there for quite some time.
[/QUOTE]Windmill might be too raunchy for me. LOL.

As for Crazy House. I don't understand why there are not plenty of A class bodies. You don't really say what is lacking. I would say 20% of girls had pretty damn good body possibly lacking large tits. Bodies good enough to be a 7 to 8 mark. It's the face looks that are well behind for me. So there we are agreed. Maybe most hot bodies are not the absolutely stunning body of Number 60, I think it was. Her body was maybe a 9. 5, but face only a 6. If you want every girl to have an A class body, that is clearly not possible and not even close to 50% have that.

I am suspecting that Crazy House girls have better bodies than the Thermae girls in general. Thermae girls try hard to hide the defects.

Anyway no matter, I think Twisters girls were far better in the face looks and very good for bodies as well. I just wish they all went topless so the tits could be properly assessed.

3 stops in Thermae today between gogo bars and sessions. The best time of the 3 was when I was there at 11:30 pm til midnight. Still out of all the girls I brought home my regular busty girl who I think is the hottest in Thermae right now. Some nice ones got snapped up really quick early on when I was with Syzy. Busty girl in white dress smiled at me. By the time I turned around another guy swept in and grabbed her. Snooze you lose at Thermae, literally.

Visited Twisters in Nana as Syzy mentioned. Not my type of girls. I did try and bought lady drinks for 2 girls. Combined they added up to the biggest dud I have ever bought drinks for in a gogo bar. I don't even know if the second one spoke English. She may have been a mute. BKK gogo clubs are just no fun compared to Pattaya. Since Syzy seemed to be having a great time with his girl I decided to leave for Thermae again. Good choice. 39 baht by taxi.

As for CH and any other place, I don't look at a body if I don't like the face. Since I can't get by the face I don't pay attention.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1930348]In Thailand medical attention is cheap so don't worry. All major hospitals except credit cards and have prvate rooms available.[/QUOTE]Good info dog.

I'm with you Kumbu. The prices you quote are about the same as I pay. Sure, on occasion I've payed a bit less, but generally that's what I'm paying.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1930934]Aaw come on Alex, this is just not fair. Dude, you are comparing apples to oranges. As we all know, you have game, my friend. When you, sir, enter a joint, you schmooze, you slide, you wink, and half a dozen girls swoon. Not all of us are like the charming mutherfucker you see in the mirror every morning. When I schmooze, they go home and shower because it makes them feel dirty. When I slide, they grab my elbow thinking I might fall and break my hip. When I wink, people call 911 since they think I am having a stroke. So Alex7 J I am not.

I guess I pay a premium for being a mere mortal, not being endowed with the slick charisma of a gent of your abilities. Having said all of that, I really do enjoy myself, and the price I pay is perfectly fine for me. I get quoted such prices, and often more than that. I eventually settle on the prices I stated, and those prices were obviously an estimate made upon my own experiences. But the fact that you manage so much better than me tells everyone that the market is flexible. If a monger is able to go that low, they should certainly do so. For that, I think your post is very helpful and informative.

Cheers Alex, but no thanks. I'm good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dabbang;1931124]Hi all,

I am visiting first time Bangkok and Pattaya from 17 to 23 September. I will be very grateful to seniors over here if they can list down all the places where mongering could be easily done. Also if possible share some contacts too.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Popcorn. Check.

Glass of wine. Check.

Leather armchair. Check.

Relaxing open fireplace. Check.

Ok, I'm ready for the the fireworks! Let he games begin. Hahahaha 😀128512;.

So she's a nine or an eight or heck even a model. Why gives a rats ass, at the end of the day we all have our preferences. The opinions do serve a purpose, hopefully irrespective of your own taste, someone's nine is +\-3 so at worst she's a six and if you go to the venue she's not some 65 kg oaf. I enjoy and appreciate everyone's view on what they felt was a good or bad experience, but some of the back and forth on marks seems petty. And for the record, I love kumbu's stories, how real I don't know but anyone who puts that much effort to describe his wandering a gets a thumbs up from me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1931298]
As for CH and any other place, I don't look at a body if I don't like the face. Since I can't get by the face I don't pay attention.[/QUOTE]That makes sense now. I agree the faces are not good enough. I can still aopreciate the bodies, but I don't buy if the face is not good enough.

Banana Boi's girl in Thermae was one that appealed to me despite implants. Cute face. BB assures me that they are nice and soft. However he warned me that the girl was extremely tight and not much stamina. Likely she does not take Farangs. Maybe he just did not me to wear her out so she could not work. LOL.

In Twisters some of the faces were real nice for me in addition to the bodies. I will return for sure. I guess BB won't be. Twisters can be worth a look if you just want to see some lookers and not BF. Guys could always get a cheap girl in the Nana Carpark afterwards too save money. I manged to choose a fun girl at Twisters. I could see she was fun type when she was dancing on the stage. She could speak English too however we conversed in Thai mostly. Probably was the tallest girl in the place. She had highheels but relatively low ones.

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1931382]And for the record, I love kumbu's stories, how real I don't know but anyone who puts that much effort to describe his wandering a gets a thumbs up from me.[/QUOTE]Whatever turns you on.

You like eloquent stories, I seek data on places maybe worth a try. Different guys like different things. Some just want to dump shit. Some only have negative posts and never specify anything they really like. Some guys almost confine themselves to the Annies thread (and not in a good way). Some guys should be only in the places to avoid thread.

We will never understand why the different preferences are so different. Lets hope guys consider if the post provides any info that could be useful to others.

Been hanging with BB the last month. Great guy and very good taste when it comes to girls. Only top shelf for him. 555.

I would trust his judgement on most things and he knows what he is doing. Especially in Pattaya, where he has the city wired.

His busty BB girl is indeed the hottest girl at Thermae. But I don't think she will go with non-asians. She would not even look at me. And as you all know I am the handsomest of hansumm men. 555.

I've busy juggling girls that I have not had much time to post. But back in Moscow now so will have a bit more time to weight in.

PS: On Oskar. A nice place and great food and drinks. Girls not so much. Mostly older and some downright fuggly. Yes you can find a cute girl there but she is likely to be on the other side of 30. My 23 year old, regular, freebie shop girl that I picked up this trip, hates the place and was startled by my suggestion that we meet there for a drink.

[QUOTE=Dabbang;1931124]Hi all,

I am visiting first time Bangkok and Pattaya from 17 to 23 September. I will be very grateful to seniors over here if they can list down all the places where mongering could be easily done. Also if possible share some contacts too.

Thanks.[/QUOTE] Well Mr. Senior memeber with 30 posts, lets see. Hmm there is this really cool place in Thailand, its called Pattaya. The whole city is full of bars, discos, beer bars, massage shops, soapies, Go go's amd so forth. But becareful and don't blink or you'll miss it. Bangkok however is a little tough. If you are a western fan then go check out the rodeo, there's a street where cowboys like to hang out with lots of horses and birds if you like nature, there's even a place to buy guns and you can meet the famous Suzie Wong there.

If you get homesick, you can go visit your Nana, but please becareful of the giants. They are dangerous. They will steal your money at a moments notice. They are tricky little sons of bitches too, they can shape shift. One moment you will see a beautiful lady and the next, your left with your pants down around your ankles getting a BJ from the boy next door.

If you Miss your ex girlfriends, Bangkok has something to help you with that too. You can visit Tulip, Mango, and Annie. These girls are full of wonderful magic. They can morf into an exact replica of anyone lady. For example, Tulip specializes in that crazy girlfriend whose willing to try anything. Mango is almost the same but she never goes outside without a raincoat. Annie likes to play in the tub with rubber duckies and sometimes can go outside and play. Oh, I almost forgot about Snow White. She's a very bad girl. She will try anything new, forget it the next day, and try it again tomorrow.

If you need a break amd need to get back to your religous roots, you can go study the bible at Eden. Funny place this is though, the nuns only work in pairs. One likes to help you with all your needs while the other watches and plays on her phone.

Oh, I'm sorry, I must cut my story short. I am feeling horny so I must read the forum to find out where to go in Thailand. Shall I look in the Bangkok thread, Annies thread, massage thread, Pattaya thread, or hell I may even get crazy and search the user blogs on how to find a girl on the street or on the internet. My apt is also under renovation so I may even check out the hotel threads to see the best place for me and my little bird to settle in.

One last thing I forgot. Can I loan you my phone? You can just call any lady you like.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931424]His busty BB girl is indeed the hottest girl at Thermae. But I don't think she will go with non-asians. She would not even look at me. And as you all know I am the handsomest of hansumm men. 555.
[/QUOTE]Indeed you are. Makes me feel better now that she had no interest in me at all. Very cute indeed but perhaps not my first choice. I prefer totally natural girls, a bit more difficult to find. Quite a few pretty options in their last night. Some were same girls I saw previously. I guess it does not take too many visits to have seen nearly all the top looking girls.

What percentage of girls in Thermae would say reject you as a Handsome relatively young Farang? It can only be worse for me, unless I deliberately choose girls that I suspect are not Japanese choice.

The prettiest girl in the place has a stunning face big eyes (maybe special contacts), but a little thick around thighs I think. Still she takes about 10 minutes to get a customer. So she gets taken much faster than BB's girl. She sits directly opposite side from BB's busty girl. I wonder if she will take me if I approach her. Not very likely perhaps. She could easily be making a fortune by a series of quickie sessions. I am thinking she could easily do 4 sessions per night and pull in 10K baht by keeping the sessions to well under an hour, each. She could well be making north of 200K Baht per month, despite her body possibly not being perfect. Angel face could do it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931462]Indeed you are. Makes me feel better now that she had no interest in me at all. Very cute indeed but perhaps not my first choice. I prefer totally natural girls, a bit more difficult to find. Quite a few pretty options in their last night. Some were same girls I saw previously. I guess it does not take too many visits to have seen nearly all the top looking girls.

What percentage of girls in Thermae would say reject you as a Handsome relatively young Farang? It can only be worse for me, unless I deliberately choose girls that I suspect are not Japanese choice.

The prettiest girl in the place has a stunning face big eyes (maybe special contacts), but a little thick around thighs I think. Still she takes about 10 minutes to get a customer. So she gets taken much faster than BB's girl. I wonder if she will take me if I approach her. Not very likely perhaps. She could easily be making a fortune by a series of quickie sessions.[/QUOTE]Oh tons reject me.

I get so many cold looks walking by the left side of the club that it feels like Siberia in January. 555.

Just need to persevere and take the lumps on the ego and you'll be fine. Not so much about looks but about ethnicity and age with them.

You are a fit and hansuum man your self. I hope I look half as good when I am your age.

RE: the prettiest girl. Does she hang out along the wall opposite the entrance (the one farthest form Sukhumvit and close to stairwell that leads to bathrooms)? Short, and light brown hair? Is she is good friends with BB's regular girl? PM me your email/line and I can send you a pic if you think this this is the girl.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931461]Well Mr. Senior member with 30 posts, lets see.
( . . . )
One last thing I forgot. Can I loan you my phone? You can just call any lady you like.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1931373]Popcorn. Check.

( . . . )

Ok, I'm ready for the the fireworks! Let he games begin. Hahahaha 😀128512;.[/QUOTE]

We need more of these posts!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931472]Oh tons reject me.

I get so many cold looks walking by the left side of the club that it feels like Siberia in January. 555.

Just need to persevere and take the lumps on the ego and you'll be fine. Not so much about looks but about ethnicity and age with them.


RE: the prettiest girl. Does she hang out along the wall opposite the entrance (the one farthest form Sukhumvit and close to stairwell that leads to bathrooms)? Short, and light brown hair? Is she is good friends with BB's regular girl? PM me your email/line and I can send you a pic if you think this this is the girl.[/QUOTE]Is there a special hint there about girls on the left side being more difficult? I admit my girl that was happy to take Farang came from the other side.

The prettiest girl, not just my opinion, but from watching how fast she was taken was a little less than half way down the right side. She was taller than average, usually sitting with handbag on her lap (possibly hiding that below the waist was not her best aspect). Top of her head always seemed a few inches higher than the surrounding girls. Still she was O.K. when standing up, just a little thicker than my skinny preference.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1931474]We need more of these posts![/QUOTE]BKK Dog does a pretty good job already. The odd one is good. It was one of the more amusing examples. However, I am not sure we want to be overly swamped by satirical posts, even if the points are well made. Some other posters use Satire in the most un imaginative unskilled way. In short, they are not always funny. This one was significantly better. I wish we still had the subtle humour of Nic Frenchy as well. He had a special skill to be see Thailand in a very amusing viewpoint.

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1931382]And for the record, I love kumbu's stories, how real I don't know but anyone who puts that much effort to describe his wandering a gets a thumbs up from me.[/QUOTE]Thank you sir, I appreciate you saying so. And for the record. . . 100% real. I don't bullshit because I use my own posts as a record yeas later to remind myself of what happened. It helps when I return to BKK. So if I bullshit, I am fooling myself in the future, if that makes sense.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931480] I wish we still had the subtle humour of Nic Frenchy as well. [/QUOTE]Ah yes, Nic Frenchy, now THERE was a man I admire. His absence is most noticeable.

Yes you will get in.

Us it worth it. For me no.

If you speak Thai or Jap then it may be a diff experience.

Girls are great looking but can get very expensive.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930543]Anyone have an update on Thaniya Road gogo bars? Are they good?

If a Farang goes with a Japanese guy will he get in?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931479]Is there a special hint there about girls on the left side being more difficult? I admit my girl that was happy to take Farang came from the other side.

The prettiest girl, not just my opinion, but from watching how fast she was taken was a little less than half way down the right side. She was taller than average, usually sitting with handbag on her lap (possibly hiding that below the waist was not her best aspect). Top of her head always seemed a few inches higher than the surrounding girls. Still she was O.K. when standing up, just a little thicker than my skinny preference.[/QUOTE]I think the younger, better looking girls are on the left side. They are in higher demand, so I guess they can be more picky.

Can't say I remember your girl from the right side. But there are also some gems there as well. But a lot more older less attractive girls too than on the left.

Maybe BB will remember. He has a better memory for this kind of stuff.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1931487]Thank you sir, I appreciate you saying so. And for the record. . . 100% real. I don't bullshit because I use my own posts as a record yeas later to remind myself of what happened. It helps when I return to BKK. So if I bullshit, I am fooling myself in the future, if that makes sense.[/QUOTE]The kind of adventures you have simply cannot be made up!

LOVE your posts and lookign forward to reading more about more of your leg munching fun in the future.

I don't get the fascination with Thermae. If a large number of girls are not open to non-East Asians then surely it would be better if we all withdrew our custom entirely (as I did years ago) and take our custom to places that appreciate it. You're totally losing face in front of the Japanese / Korean guys and they're laughing at you. Where's your sense of pride and self-respect? There are plenty of other places to get freelancers just as good as those who accept you in Thermae without feeling you're picking up the dregs not good enough for a 'superior' racial group.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931563]I think the younger, better looking girls are on the left side. They are in higher demand, so I guess they can be more picky.[/QUOTE]In my experience, the better looking girls have always been on the left side, particularly they used to congregate around the jukebox. I think the reason for this is simple traffic flow. As mongers tend to enter the front entrance, they will usually be "guided" by staff to buy a drink at that side corner. Once drink in hand, the visitor traffic flow tends to be a clockwise circuit starting from the bar. So the "lineup" has always seemed start there on the left side. If I was looking for customer, that is where I would perch myself. The other spot the girls tend to congregate is around the back exit, where they hope to make contact with guys going out for toilet breaks. I find the girls with the least interest in farang guys to be in that vicinity, but that may be my impression. YMMV. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931567]I don't get the fascination with Thermae. If a large number of girls are not open to non-East Asians then surely it would be better if we all withdrew our custom entirely (as I did years ago) and take our custom to places that appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Or it could work the other way. We have a new generation of generation of clients and new generation of girls. I think it would be interesting if a group of us farang started frequenting the bar, occupying the back tables the same way that the Japanese guys did 10 years ago. Buy a few drinks. Take a few girls out. Treat them fairly but firmly. If the girls saw farang as a more "known quantity", they would change their perceptions and actions sooner than you think. 15 years ago Thermae girls would tell me that they don't like to go with the Japanese guys. Why? Because of poor communication and "unknown factor". Now that has all changed and farang are the unknown. We could change that. Of course this would take some effort, some solidarity and some reasonable expectation, which unfortunately are traits that most farang do not broadly display. But I believe it could be done. Every retreat you make is a victory for your opponent. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931567]I don't get the fascination with Thermae. If a large number of girls are not open to non-East Asians then surely it would be better if we all withdrew our custom entirely (as I did years ago) and take our custom to places that appreciate it. You're totally losing face in front of the Japanese / Korean guys and they're laughing at you. Where's your sense of pride and self-respect? There are plenty of other places to get freelancers just as good as those who accept you in Thermae without feeling you're picking up the dregs not good enough for a 'superior' racial group.[/QUOTE]I don't come to Thermae to impress some random Japanese guy but to get some nice lookign girls and fuck their brains out. And Thermae has some good ones on offer.

I am confident enough in my own else of self worth that I could give a fuck less what some Japanese or Korean guy thinks. And I know that in many other places it will be me that has the upper hand in terms of girl's preference of customer / hookup.

In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931573]In my experience, the better looking girls have always been on the left side, particularly they used to congregate around the jukebox. I think the reason for this is simple traffic flow. As mongers tend to enter the front entrance, they will usually be "guided" by staff to buy a drink at that side corner. Once drink in hand, the visitor traffic flow tends to be a clockwise circuit starting from the bar. So the "lineup" has always seemed start there on the left side. If I was looking for customer, that is where I would perch myself. The other spot the girls tend to congregate is around the back exit, where they hope to make contact with guys going out for toilet breaks. I find the girls with the least interest in farang guys to be in that vicinity, but that may be my impression. YMMV. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Yes its the unforgiving "L" starting from the lefts side and up against the back wall.

Still I have had receptive girls from there too and even took a girl that always hangs out along the back wall (and that is apparently one of the most popular girls there).

I'm still amazed all you guys liked my girl so much, even my buddy in Thailand for the first time. She's a bit standoffish with me as well in the club but when she gets comfortable with you she can be wonderful. Tits are harder than they were before. She may have gotten them redone.

Left wall in general the youngest and the back wall not much older. Right side of club and front older but still some younger gems in there. Middle section is a write off with the old ladies.

Thanks for the great times this past month, Uncle V. I'm sure the two of us have made it very memorable for our girls as well. It was certainly a blast!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931583]
In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.[/QUOTE]Part of the entertainment value of Thermae for Asian guys is the struggling white guy getting rejected by a girl who is all over every passing Japanese guy. Having 'balls' isn't as culturally significant for the Japanese as it is for westerners. Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931577]Or it could work the other way. We have a new generation of generation of clients and new generation of girls. I think it would be interesting if a group of us farang started frequenting the bar, occupying the back tables the same way that the Japanese guys did 10 years ago. Buy a few drinks. Take a few girls out. Treat them fairly but firmly. If the girls saw farang as a more "known quantity", they would change their perceptions and actions sooner than you think. 15 years ago Thermae girls would tell me that they don't like to go with the Japanese guys. Why? Because of poor communication and "unknown factor". Now that has all changed and farang are the unknown. We could change that. Of course this would take some effort, some solidarity and some reasonable expectation, which unfortunately are traits that most farang do not broadly display. But I believe it could be done. Every retreat you make is a victory for your opponent. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]It's a nice idea but in reality it's not going to happen. There are some girls who dream of a western guy taking them back to their country or sponsoring them and these can be found in discos where Japanese guys would struggle to get a top girl. There are other girls who sees themselves for whatever reason as for East Asians only and they consider Thermae as the place to be. Give it to them. If you're looking for victory the best way to get it would be if Thermae closed down or had another relaunch which I think it would if farangs stopped visiting it. Asian guys don't seem to spend much on drinks and as there's no bar fine I can't see it would make much of a profit as an Asians only place.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931589]Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.[/QUOTE]Mongering is like golf, you need to play your game solo, even if you are in a group or in a tournament. If you are fretting about what the other players are saying, thinking or doing, it will only distract from your performance. So what does a Japanese think when EihTooms, Syzygies, Banana Boi, etc. Take out one of the same girls they might take out? Hmmm. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931589]If you're looking for victory the best way to get it would be if Thermae closed down or had another relaunch which I think it would if farangs stopped visiting it.[/QUOTE]I don't see it quite that way. Since EihTooms reported that Thermae was "back" some weeks ago, at least 3 other members have reported that they have "pulled and poked" solid talent from this venue. If farangs stopped visiting, I don't think that anybody would take any notice except to concentrate more on the remaining Asian clientele. Farangs just don't matter as much as they used to. Best to accept that fact and optimize from there. Just my view. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931596]Mongering is like golf, you need to play your game solo, even if you are in a group or in a tournament. If you are fretting about what the other players are saying, thinking or doing, it will only distract from your performance. So what does a Japanese think when EihTooms, Syzygies, Banana Boi, etc. Take out one of the same girls they might take out? Hmmm. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]They probably think it's hilarious that white men who have been rejected by the top girls are now scraping the bottom of the barrel with the leftovers.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931596]I don't see it quite that way. Since EihTooms reported that Thermae was "back" some weeks ago, at least 3 other members have reported that they have "pulled and poked" solid talent from this venue. If farangs stopped visiting, I don't think that anybody would take any notice except to concentrate more on the remaining Asian clientele. Farangs just don't matter as much as they used to. Best to accept that fact and optimize from there. Just my view. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Farangs are at least half the available customers in terms of people who are in the area and would consider going in if the set-up was right, so it doesn't make any business sense to antagonise half your potential customers. If they saw that farangs were staying away they'd do more to attract them. Personally, I see no reason to go in and humiliate myself by getting rejections and picking up the leftovers while there are so many better venues in the area. Better to help those venues grow than patronise a bar where you're treated as second class.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931589]Part of the entertainment value of Thermae for Asian guys is the struggling white guy getting rejected by a girl who is all over every passing Japanese guy. Having 'balls' isn't as culturally significant for the Japanese as it is for westerners. Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.[/QUOTE]I find your Orientalist reading of the scene at Thermae pretty amusing.

I am pretty sure that the East Asian guys are, like the rest of us, primarily there to get laid.

If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirit".

And white guys are not the only one s getting rejected. I'v seen plenty of East Asian guys get rejected by the top girls too.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931613]I find your Orientalist reading of the scene at Thermae pretty amusing.

I am pretty sure that the East Asian guys are, like the rest of us, primarily there to get laid.

If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirit".

And white guys are not the only one s getting rejected. I'v seen plenty of East Asian guys get rejected by the top girls too.[/QUOTE]Bravery isn't the same as 'balls'. It doesn't take bravery to wonder round a bar getting rejected by girls. No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931616] No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.[/QUOTE]I never said they would.

And I don't think anyone is sitting in a corner getting off on watching me get rejected either.

In any case if they are and I want to indulge them by going to Thermae and picking up girls then that's my fucking business. Isn't it? Why are you so worried about it in the first place?

If you have some paranoia about Asians then it is best that you stay away.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931611]They probably think it's hilarious that white men who have been rejected by the top girls are now scraping the bottom of the barrel with the leftovers.

Farangs are at least half the available customers in terms of people who are in the area and would consider going in if the set-up was right, so it doesn't make any business sense to antagonise half your potential customers. If they saw that farangs were staying away they'd do more to attract them. Personally, I see no reason to go in and humiliate myself by getting rejections and picking up the leftovers while there are so many better venues in the area. Better to help those venues grow than patronise a bar where you're treated as second class.[/QUOTE]Thermae has not been worth it to me since the invasion of the East Asians after the closing of their "Thermae" on Petchaburi road. Before then it was actually a fun bar. Gals would grab your junk and ask to go with you, most were drinking and partying, and always gals dancing by the jukebox. Now it's boring with the dudes just running laps around the place with very little interaction. Of course again, back in the day every gal was happy with 1 K (25 USD) at the time. And service was pretty good. Pulled over 100 gals from there between 99 and 06. Bet I have pulled one or two in the last 10 years. My experience is that the best looking gals won't go with the white man. It's forbidden. If their friends or the East Asians see them going with the white man they are done. Had a friend here back in about '10, young good looking dude, who would take one of the better looking gals out of there on occasion. She would not be seen leaving with him and would meet him about 50 mrts up the street.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931621]Thermae has not been worth it to me since the invasion of the East Asians after the closing of their "Thermae" on Petchaburi road. Before then it was actually a fun bar. Gals would grab your junk and ask to go with you, most were drinking and partying, and always gals dancing by the jukebox. Now it's boring with the dudes just running laps around the place with very little interaction. Of course again, back in the day every gal was happy with 1 K (25 USD) at the time. And service was pretty good.[/QUOTE]I have to admit it does get pretty boring. Not a lot of interaction with the girls before you leave with them.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931616]Bravery isn't the same as 'balls'. It doesn't take bravery to wonder round a bar getting rejected by girls. No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. If your at place that makes you have low confidence level, just go somewhere else. For all of us it's just one of venue.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931613]If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirIt.[/QUOTE]Bushido? Samarai kamikazi? Don't know about that, but most of the Japanese there look like Toyota assembly line workers to me. Yukki. You actually have the delusion that shooting Thermae fish in a barrel takes some kind daring courage balls?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931583]I don't come to Thermae to impress some random Japanese guy but to get some nice lookign girls and fuck their brains out. And Thermae has some good ones on offer.

I am confident enough in my own else of self worth that I could give a fuck less what some Japanese or Korean guy thinks. And I know that in many other places it will be me that has the upper hand in terms of girl's preference of customer / hookup.

In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.[/QUOTE]I am with you on this, UV. Who gives a damn about a Japanese or Korean dude. They don't like us and don't want us to fuck their girls anyway. Thermae has definitely eye candy on offer, and I was at times successful in picking up some of that eye candy, at a resonable cost. The rest does not matter, like pride and self respect. These words tend to be abused and it becomes just bull crap.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931461]...One last thing I forgot. Can I loan you my phone? You can just call any lady you like.[/QUOTE]Oh that was so funny! Thanks for the good laugh, a nice way to start my Sunday, here in the US. However, in all that sarcasm, you provide good intel, right on buddy!

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1931654]
You actually have the delusion that shooting Thermae fish in a barrel takes some kind daring courage balls?[/QUOTE]Jesus H Christ! No I don't. Some of you guys could seriously use a reading comprehension class.

But I do like your comment on "Toyota Assembly line workers" that was funny.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931461]Well Mr. Senior memeber with 30 posts, lets see. Hmm there is this really cool place in Thailand, its called Pattaya. The whole city is full of bars, discos, beer bars, massage shops, soapies, Go go's amd so forth. But becareful and don't blink or you'll miss it. Bangkok however is a little tough. If you are a western fan then go check out the rodeo, there's a street where cowboys like to hang out with lots of horses and birds if you like nature, there's even a place to buy guns and you can meet the famous Suzie Wong there.

If you get homesick, you can go visit your Nana, but please becareful of the giants. They are dangerous. They will steal your money at a moments notice. They are tricky little sons of bitches too, they can shape shift. One moment you will see a beautiful lady and the next, your left with your pants down around your ankles getting a BJ from the boy next door..[/QUOTE]This shit is real. Spot on info LOL.

I think this Rejection thing is getting over analysed. Plenty of guys have to deal with being rejected by some place or girl on a regular basis. Why be pissed off or have any reaction to it at all. You just move on to the next girl, and think nothing more. There is not point in allowing it to affect you too much. If it is wasting your time too much, you move on to a better venue. Do I really care what others in the Thermae think if I get a rejection. No way.

I remember the Thermae of 25 years ago. It was humming at 2 am when other places had closed. Girls used to reject plenty of guys. I don't know if they did not like the price offered or did not like the guy. Not my problem. I was doing just fine (35 years old at the time). Perhaps in those days girls were looking for a bit of fun, not just the money, and going for the whole night was the normal thing. I recall taking a hot girl with fabulous wide slung tits 3 or 4 nights running, she was so GFE. I only stopped, due to her having enough money to head off back to Phitsanulok with her girlfriend, also very pretty.

[QUOTE]Bravery isn't the same as 'balls'. It doesn't take bravery to wonder round a bar getting rejected by girls. No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.[/QUOTE]Boy, this got tetchy fast.

I think the point being made by Wh-man, while not done in the most diplomatic way, is actually worth considering. It was framed (incorrectly, in my opinion) as an issue of pride, and being laughed at, or something to that effect. But the way I understood it, the argument was something like this: why go to Thermae when you might be better suited to other places? If you have a higher likelihood of success at, say Climaxx, why do you insist on butting your head against the wall in Thermae? If that's the point, I can get on board with that discussion (though I think it's impossible to have any kind of fact-based discussion about this, it would all be conjecture). So Wh-man, where do you recommend a farang monger go for a better experience than Thermae? I think I know the answer, but perhaps you have something new to add to the reams of descriptions in this thread.

But that question was muddied by the framing of this in terms of pride and being laughed at. If the question is why do you go to Thermae when people are laughing at you (because you are being rejected), my reaction is, "yeah, so? ". Strangers laughing at me? Puh-leaze. I've had way worse done to me.

Uncle V's digression into Japanese samurai philosophy, while entertaining, was understood completely incorrectly (he was not bragging or claiming any kind of bravado, as I understood it). He was simply rebutting the claim that Japanese men only care about face-saving (clearly an incorrect over-simplification). Ultimately for me, though, it does not matter what philosophy any other monger has: it's not about the other men in the joint, it's about the women.

So, the two questions need an answer:

1. Why do you go to Thermae when Asian men are laughing at you?

2. Why do you go to Thermae when you could find greater success elsewhere?

The answer to both these questions is actually quite simple: because it feels good. People enjoy going to Thermae because they get something out of it. I don't find it particularly constructive to rip them down for doing so. I find the discussion around Thermae actually very interesting. For years it had died away, and now it seems to be reviving itself, and as far as I can tell, that's a good thing for me. It gives me another venue to find pretty girls who will do the nasty with me. If some odd Japanese dude is laughing his head off at me, good. I'm glad I gave him amusement on my way to tongue-fucking a pretty young lady.

So from my humble vantage point, I request more discussion of Thermae (and any other venues that are grooving right now). Entertain me, inform me, and perhaps inadvertently, give an Asian dude a hernia from all that laughing.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1931806]Boy, this got tetchy fast.

I think the point being made by Wh-man, while not done in the most diplomatic way, is actually worth considering. It was framed (incorrectly, in my opinion) as an issue of pride, and being laughed at, or something to that effect. But the way I understood it, the argument was something like this: why go to Thermae when you might be better suited to other places? If you have a higher likelihood of success at, say Climaxx, why do you insist on butting your head against the wall in Thermae? If that's the point, I can get on board with that discussion (though I think it's impossible to have any kind of fact-based discussion about this, it would all be conjecture). So Wh-man, where do you recommend a farang monger go for a better experience than Thermae? I think I know the answer, but perhaps you have something new to add to the reams of descriptions in this thread.

But that question was muddied by the framing of this in terms of pride and being laughed at. If the question is why do you go to Thermae when people are laughing at you (because you are being rejected), my reaction is, "yeah, so? "..[/QUOTE]This is why I like you Kumbu. You simply put intelligent way of extracting post and giving your thoughts. I remember reading your previous post to Alex that you are regular mortal but I think all the girls will be all over you with your skills of communication.

Hi all,

I will arrive in BKK airport by around 1 am. Passport control etc. +taxi to s hotel in Sukhumvit might take another 2 hours. Is Climax or Mixx open at say around 3:30 am on a Monday night / Tuesday morning (with girls of course)? Any other option you will suggest at that hour in the morning?

I have a question about Thermae bar. Is there a place to sit in this bar? It seems very crowded? Are the girls into Chinese men? Is there something wrong with Chinese men also? Why are they only into Japanese men? Are they much easier lays?

[QUOTE=DRMongerII;1931840]I have a question about Thermae bar. Is there a place to sit in this bar? It seems very crowded? Are the girls into Chinese men? Is there something wrong with Chinese men also? Why are they only into Japanese men? Are they much easier lays?[/QUOTE]Don't get scared by all this scare mongering. If you have money in Thermae, you can get who and what you want.

If it is busy there will be no seats. Along the outside there are booths. In the middle there are many seats along the inside and outside of a partician like bar, and at the back, there are some tables and chairs. This place however, is not the place to sit for hours and drink. You go in, have a couple of beers, choose your lady, and out.

Being Chinese is no problem too.

I popped into Twisters in Nana Plaza this past Saturday night with a friend. I immediately noticed many of the better looking girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, which typically means they are not available for barfine or take outs. This was confirmed by the mamasan, but most newbies and any punters intent on taking a girl for the evening not asking the girl about it upfront would likely waste time and money buying Ladydrinks before getting the bad news.

I hate to see this trend, more prevelent on Soi Cowboy, growing in Nana Plaza. If it is just 1 or 2 girls out of a couple of dozen, that might be ok. But this was way more than that. Neither of us wanting to condone and reward this Nana Plaza go-go bar for pulling that kind of scam, we paid our tabs for just one wasted drink and left.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931860]If it is busy there will be no seats. Along the outside there are booths. In the middle there are many seats along the inside and outside of a partician like bar.[/QUOTE]What's a 'partician like bar?

The bar at Thermae is designed for socializing: no matter where you sit, its almost impossible to avoid eye or elbow contact with someone else sitting at the bar.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1931861]I popped into Twisters in Nana Plaza this past Saturday night with a friend. I immediately noticed many of the better looking girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, which typically means they are not available for barfine or take outs. This was confirmed by the mamasan, but most newbies and any punters intent on taking a girl for the evening not asking the girl about it upfront would likely waste time and money buying Ladydrinks before getting the bad news.

I hate to see this trend, more prevelent on Soi Cowboy, growing in Nana Plaza. If it is just 1 or 2 girls out of a couple of dozen, that might be ok. But this was way more than that. Neither of us wanting to condone and reward this Nana Plaza go-go bar for pulling that kind of scam, we paid our tabs for just one wasted drink and left.[/QUOTE]I disagree. If the right punter and offer came around, it would be a done deal but a scam its not. Is there a sign at Nana and Soi Cowboy that says every girl working there is avalable for full service? I think not. WE punters have got it in our minds that this is true.

These last few weeks I been trying out a new concept and it has been so far working great. I will pick a stunner from We Chat, a Thai sideline web site, or a Go Go bar and procure her serivces from about 4:00PM-noon the next day. We go for dinner, drinks, movie, bar hop, and then back to the hotel for 2-4 pops before she goes. Mostly uncovereed full on GFE action takes place with CIM as well. The girls have given great GFE encounters with amazing millege. I love Thaialnd! I would suggest you all give this a try if you enjoy dating without being tied down to one girl, and of course they should all be 9's and 10's.

The girl-10,000 Baht
Dinner- 1,500 Baht
Bottle service-2,500
Movie 600-Baht
Hotel=3,000Baht
Total = 17,600 Baht

This concept is similar in cost to a night out at a G club and taking your G club sweetie back to your place after.

The next one is happening next week so if any senior would like to bring their cutee along with us for the disco part of the evening, please send me a PM.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931902]The next one is happening next week so if any senior would like to bring their cutee along with us for the disco part of the evening, please send me a PM.[/QUOTE]The entertainment continues.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931902]Total = 17,600 Baht[/QUOTE]Would it be more accurate to say it was a 17.6 k date? Thanks for reporting on a different approach. There are clearly a few premium escort model-class girls working on WeChat that seem to be funding their lifestyle as call girls (you can see the pics from trips to expensive restaurants, shopping sprees, visits to resorts/foreign countries in their profiles). They seem to also be experienced enough to execute such an interaction. I would dub this a "build your own premium escort" approach, which might appeal to some of the guys who would want another option from escort sites. So far most of these better class WeChat girls have quoted me 3-6k for short time (because that is the service that I have asked about) and immediately ask my hotel, so they would be servicing the visiting businessman as their normal gig. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931860]Don't get scared by all this scare mongering. If you have money in Thermae, you can get who and what you want.

Being Chinese is no problem too.[/QUOTE]Being Asian you will help your pick of the hottest girls. And no one will laugh at you like they do at me, the witless, lumbering, gaijin who is losing face. 555.

Get your ass to Thermae ASAP! 555.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1931806]B

Uncle V's digression into Japanese samurai philosophy, while entertaining, was understood completely incorrectly (he was not bragging or claiming any kind of bravado, as I understood it). He was simply rebutting the claim that Japanese men only care about face-saving (clearly an incorrect over-simplification). Ultimately for me, though, it does not matter what philosophy any other monger has: it's not about the other men in the joint, it's about the women.

[/QUOTE]Thanks Kumbu for restoring my faith in the intellectual abilities of the members of this board.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931902]These last few weeks I been trying out a new concept and it has been so far working great. I will pick a stunner from We Chat, a Thai sideline web site, or a Go Go bar and procure her serivces from about 4:00PM-noon the next day. We go for dinner, drinks, movie, bar hop, and then back to the hotel for 2-4 pops before she goes. Mostly uncovereed full on GFE action takes place with CIM as well. The girls have given great GFE encounters with amazing millege. I love Thaialnd! I would suggest you all give this a try if you enjoy dating without being tied down to one girl, and of course they should all be 9's and 10's.

The girl-10,000 Baht
Dinner- 1,500 Baht
Bottle service-2,500
Movie 600-Baht
Hotel=3,000Baht
Total = 17,600 Baht

This concept is similar in cost to a night out at a G club and taking your G club sweetie back to your place after.

The next one is happening next week so if any senior would like to bring their cutee along with us for the disco part of the evening, please send me a PM.[/QUOTE]Good stuff. But you forgot to account for the 2-3 K baht you will throw around on tips to convince her you are a "jai dee" man.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931928]Good stuff. But you forgot to account for the 2-3 K baht you will throw around on tips to convince her you are a "jai dee" man.[/QUOTE]Your a high roller dude. That's over $500.00 US. I am humbled at your ability to throw that much on a date.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1931938]Your a high roller dude. That's over $500.00 US. I am humbled at your ability to throw that much on a date.

RL.[/QUOTE]555. I was assuming BKK dog was being facetious. At least I was.

Girls will work where they have a preference to a certain type of man.

In Pattaya, girls with an Asian preference will work at gogo bars like Sensations, Baccara, Happy, etc. Those who don't mind Farang will work at clubs like Sapphire and most of the LK Metro clubs. There are places that imo girls select a Farang over an Asian. Soi 6 is sort of like this. Places like iBar / Insomnia imo girls have a clear preference to Farang over Asians, at least for P4 P. You likely won't find many Sensations girls at iBar. They all go to an Asian club like Hollywood. Just to clarify, I am referring to a girl's preference here, not that they won't go with a Farang or Asian man in he above places. In either case, they are all going home to their Thai boyfriends after they're done with you.

In Germany, there is a club called GoldenTime that caters to white skinned only and Asians. Many German girls have mentioned to me this is the reason they chose GoldenTime as the club they want to work in. No darker skinned people allowed including darker skinned Italians, Turks, Indians, etc.

As for Thermae, I do see Farang rejected from time to time but really unless you fall into class A. Japanese guy under 30, you will be rejected by girls at Thermae. Frustrating yes but imo not a huge deal. So many others who will go with you. Many of the top girls here aren't in desperate need for cash so they can be choosy. I'm sure we would be the same in their situation.

I am ranked higher in the Thermae girl preference chart I created last week than Uncle V but there is one girl there I like who won't give me the time of day and loves Uncle V to death. Of course we all know Uncle V is the handsomeness of handsome men (his words).

[QUOTE=*****man;1931589]Part of the entertainment value of Thermae for Asian guys is the struggling white guy getting rejected by a girl who is all over every passing Japanese guy. Having 'balls' isn't as culturally significant for the Japanese as it is for westerners. Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.[/QUOTE]Well, as none of these Japanese men are in my social ciricle, I could't worry less about having "face" with them or not.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1931938]Your a high roller dude. That's over $500.00 US. I am humbled at your ability to throw that much on a date.

RL.[/QUOTE]In Germany FKK, I do see high roller guys booking a girl for 5 hours or more and spending $500 or more. However this is Thailand. Rather different, unless you are in the Escort thread.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931924]Would it be more accurate to say it was a 17.6 k date? Thanks for reporting on a different approach. There are clearly a few premium escort model-class girls working on WeChat that seem to be funding their lifestyle as call girls (you can see the pics from trips to expensive restaurants, shopping sprees, visits to resorts/foreign countries in their profiles). They seem to also be experienced enough to execute such an interaction. I would dub this a "build your own premium escort" approach, which might appeal to some of the guys who would want another option from escort sites. So far most of these better class WeChat girls have quoted me 3-6k for short time (because that is the service that I have asked about) and immediately ask my hotel, so they would be servicing the visiting businessman as their normal gig. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Becareful of the ones that ask you for your hotel straight away. They will show up with a fake cop waving your we chat photo around the lobby. Their intent is to initiatiate a bribe from you by comvincing you that what you've done is ilegal. I always hook up with a we chat girl outside first before taking her to my hotel.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930969]Baccara.

Rainbow 4 - this imo is the best club in BKK and arguably better than Pattaya as well. I enjoy the atmosphere and music. The girls are amazing I really liked 37 and 88. If my buddy finds a LT girl at thermae tonight I'm going here first..[/QUOTE]Did you actually barfine Rainbow #37? She wouldn't answer if she took it in hole #2.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1931944]
I am ranked higher in the Thermae girl preference chart I created last week than Uncle V but there is one girl there I like who won't give me the time of day and loves Uncle V to death. Of course we all know Uncle V is the handsomeness of handsome men (his words).[/QUOTE]Actually, my friend, I said I am the hansummmest of hansummmm men. 555.

Good, accurate, unbiased write up.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1931938]Your a high roller dude. That's over $500.00 US. I am humbled at your ability to throw that much on a date.

RL.[/QUOTE]Actually, that's not true. I could just bring her to my hotel for the whole time and pay only the 10 K. Secondly, sometimes I prefer to spend all my time with one smokin hot lady where another punter will use that 500 dollars over the course of 3-5 encounters. I do both and it just depends on my mood that week. Either momgering 3-5 times in one week or one time. Easy and simple explanation I think.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931424]PS: On Oskar. A nice place and great food and drinks. Girls not so much. Mostly older and some downright fuggly. Yes you can find a cute girl there but she is likely to be on the other side of 30. My 23 year old, regular, freebie shop girl that I picked up this trip, hates the place and was startled by my suggestion that we meet there for a drink.[/QUOTE]Girls get very well eyed by the "gang's" which usually occupy the entire bar night for night, sipping on their lonely glass of wine and pretending to be so high class. So yes, many does not like this venue. My current GF, 23, does not like it at all and goes only once per 2 month's, when already quiet drunk and within a nice sized group of friends.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931973]Actually, that's not true. I could just bring her to my hotel for the whole time and pay only the 10 K. Secondly, sometimes I prefer to spend all my time with one smokin hot lady where another punter will use that 500 dollars over the course of 3-5 encounters. I do both and it just depends on my mood that week. Either momgering 3-5 times in one week or one time. Easy and simple explanation I think.[/QUOTE]I really admire the will power of guys that can go a whole week without a fuck in Bangkok. I really struggle to stay away from P4P for long if GF is not providing.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931973]Actually, that's not true. I could just bring her to my hotel for the whole time and pay only the 10 K. Secondly, sometimes I prefer to spend all my time with one smokin hot lady where another punter will use that 500 dollars over the course of 3-5 encounters. I do both and it just depends on my mood that week. Either momgering 3-5 times in one week or one time. Easy and simple explanation I think.[/QUOTE]BKK dog, I never know if you are being serious or taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], 555.

If you are spending that much ant it makes you happy then more power to you. God knows I have also spent outrageous amounts, especially on visits to FKKs.

If she was a real 9-10 adn I really wanted her then I would also be ready to blow that much cash. Though I'm not sure I would do so habitually. Maybe once in a couple of months. Of course, if I was a richer man and could afford it I'd be doing it whenever the mood struck.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931991]I really admire the will power of guys that can go a whole week without a fuck in Bangkok. I really struggle to stay away from P4P for long if GF is not providing.[/QUOTE]I often go ten days to two weeks without. On occasion longer. Why? I just don't find that many attractive P4 P gals who provide the type of service I want. As stated before; one evening trip to Thonglor and a gaze around the gals there will put you off Suk working gals for quite some time.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931957]Becareful of the ones that ask you for your hotel straight away. They will show up with a fake cop waving your we chat photo around the lobby. Their intent is to initiatiate a bribe from you by comvincing you that what you've done is ilegal. I always hook up with a we chat girl outside first before taking her to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Really? Will give you the benefit that this is a serious reply. How do you know this? Personal experience? Or just suspicious intuition? This adds another step to your homemade escort recipe. I assume there is an upfront effort needed to sift through WeChat / Sideline site girls, communicate what you want, agree a fee for the service and then arrange the actual meet-up. So it is advised to start the date at a public place to minimize the risk of a scammer? I certainly appreciate that you have shared a new approach (not often we get that), but I am just thinking of the practicality of executing it. For the Average Joe with cash to splash, it might be more safe and practical to stick to a reputable high-end escort provider? Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931957]Becareful of the ones that ask you for your hotel straight away. They will show up with a fake cop waving your we chat photo around the lobby. Their intent is to initiatiate a bribe from you by comvincing you that what you've done is ilegal. I always hook up with a we chat girl outside first before taking her to my hotel.[/QUOTE]WTF, I assume you jest. Once you start writing satirical posts, one cannot be sure. I would have thoughts Hotels would be checking police credentials carefully before co operating with any scams. I can imagine why the girl would be illegal, in which case the Hotel would not allow her.

BTW, Is hiring an Escort completely illegal officially, or only if you pay money to fuck.

Is We Chat another scam avenue to try to expand the field beyond the usual tourist victims?

For Newbies to Thailand:
First rule for scam avoidance (or minimisation) in Thailand is do not shop in touristy shops, jewellery, tailors, (good shops do exist but find out where first) and do not give even the time of day to any unknown Thai person that tries to talk to you for no apparent reason or to make you an offer. Helpful advice often has shady motives. Any person that comes to you on foot to offer advice and explain how things work, needs to be ignored in most cases. The are generally seeking to rip you off badly. I ignore them. Thais find it unduly rude if I tell them to fuck off. Avoid Tuk Tuks and unmetered taxis. If someone crashes into you, it is bound to be a thief. Don't carry valuables around with you too much. Motorcycle riders may want your bag. Not sure how to avoid being scammed by the real police, that is a tough one.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1932007]Really? Will give you the benefit that this is a serious reply. How do you know this? Personal experience? Or just suspicious intuition? This adds another step to your homemade escort recipe. I assume there is an upfront effort needed to sift through WeChat / Sideline site girls, communicate what you want, agree a fee for the service and then arrange the actual meet-up. So it is advised to start the date at a public place to minimize the risk of a scammer? I certainly appreciate that you have shared a new approach (not often we get that), but I am just thinking of the practicality of executing it. For the Average Joe with cash to splash, it might be more safe and practical to stick to a reputable high-end escort provider? Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]I believe I posted about this from my first hand experience. If the girls insist heavely on your hotel, its a clear sign of foul. In my case, I was lucky. I gave a bullshit hotel because I had not made my mind up on the girl. Next thing I know, I get a what's app message saying she is in my lobby. I told her that I was not home yet. Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel. What transpired from then on was many black mail attempts. At the end of the day, she left the hotel lobby with the fake cope empty handed. This thing is not ileagal but its amazing what a newbie can be talked into with the presense of a would be cope.

All first time meetups should be in public places. This is my firm rule for every new hookup I encounter.

Finally, about my satirical posts. I believe they are obvious and there should be no need for explaning.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932039]Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel.

All first time meetups should be in public places. This is my firm rule for every new hookup I encounter.[/QUOTE]That is something to take note of. Risk is risk with our sport. I always assumed the ask for hotel info was either just being business-like or an attempt to gauge the kind of hotel I was staying. I have had WeChat girls stop replying after I indicated that the meet-up would be at a short-time hotel, but never considered anything more sinister other than the girl didn't want to meet at a short time hotel. Thanks for the heads up. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932009]BTW, Is hiring an Escort completely illegal officially, or only if you pay money to fuck.[/QUOTE]Not paying money makes it of course totally legal since that cannot be considered prostitution at all.

But paying money does not make it any more legal or illegal than it is to engage any other kind of sex worker. Remember, prostitution as such is not illegal in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932039] Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel. What transpired from then on was many black mail attempts. At the end of the day, she left the hotel lobby with the fake cope empty handed. This thing is not ileagal but its amazing what a newbie can be talked into with the presense of a would be cope.

All first time meetups should be in public places. This is my firm rule for every new hookup I encounter.[/QUOTE]I would feel more safe in the lobby or bar of my hotel. All (read: the very few) times someone tried to scam me in Thailand (sale of gold, jewelry, suits, offers of "free" trips in a tuk-tuk, sexy shows in an upstairs bar, . . .) happened outside in a public place.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931902]These last few weeks I been trying out a new concept and it has been so far working great. [/QUOTE]I simply love this concept BKKDog. Most guys on the forum would have stopped reading after they read the title - [B]10K date nite[/B]. It simply goes to show that every girl has a price. And with some game, even the haughtiest of girls will see the light.

I would say this applies to the girls at Thermae also. IMHO the rejection of non-Asians at Thermae is strongly correlated to how much they are willing to pay or not pay. The girls at Thermae simply are making more money by going out with the Asian monger who is probably spending a lot more than the average farang.

I think people have to wake up and smell the lemongrass and galangal. Girls want a better lifestyle. They are not content with just sending subsistence money to their families in Isaan. A girl today wants the latest phones and gadgets, expensive jewelry, branded clothes and accessories, a car, exotic holidays and a healthy bank balance where her tits reach her knees. So if mongers want poontang from Thermae or from anywhere else they are getting rejections, they simply need to loosen their purse strings and not be sore about it. And if a guy across the street is doing it, they should watch and learn rather than simply flaming them for "overpaying".

More power to you!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932039]. Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel. What transpired from then on was many black mail attempts. At the end of the day, she left the hotel lobby with the fake cope empty handed. [/QUOTE]So it is not totally evident if the cop was fake or real. Could be either. I presume the girl would have been in an illegal category, to make the situation more serious.

Scams with Police involvement at Airports have been reported too. Cops have been known to enter someone's house to search for drugs, and then plant the drugs. People having drugs planted in their bag is a well known big problem. So Thailand is very unsafe place for getting set up by real police. You have the well known Koh Tao murders case.

Always useful to be as anonymous as possible in Thailand.

Can't you just block a We Chat contact so you don't receive messages or calls? I don't use We Chat so I don't know.

I used to maintain two phone numbers. One for normal use, and another for the monger phone. This is probably a useful idea to avoid having to change your main phone number too often due to problems. I have a phone that takes two SIM cards as well.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1931891]I disagree. If the right punter and offer came around, it would be a done deal but a scam its not. Is there a sign at Nana and Soi Cowboy that says every girl working there is avalable for full service? I think not. WE punters have got it in our minds that this is true.[/QUOTE]Yes, and if Johnny Depp convinced Kate Middleton, The Dutchess of Canbridge, that one ST with him would "solve world hunger", that would be a done deal too. Why confine it to just working girls? EVERY woman and EVERY man has a price that, if met, ST would be a done deal.

But that isn't really what we're talking about here, right? The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where for decades everyone has known the norm is you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex and the expectation is not that you will buy her Ladydrinks just for a pleasant chat.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932102]The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where the norm has been you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex for decades and everyone knows it.[/QUOTE]ROFLMAO. It is very well known that Coyote girls in the bars are not necessarily barfinable, and even if BFable are not necessarily available for sex.

So why do think they are designated as Coyotes and dress like Coyotes, when they don't know how to dance like Coyotes? Simply because they may not be BFable or because BF is higher. You can label it a scam, but others don't see it. You alone should have the right to fuck every girl you want.

Bargirls have had the right to refuse to fuck a guy, if they don't like him. They can refuse much more easily than MP girls. I always politely ask the girl first if she wants to go with me. Occasionally they do not. In case of Coyotes, if I really fancied them, I would be wise to ask if they BFable and will they go for sex, and what is the price range, since I don't necessarily expect them to go for bottom dollar.

Girls that fuck, have right to reject arrogant assholes too. Cannot just pay the money and be a "done deal".

A very significant portion of customers in the bar will not take any girl to fuck, the girl does not initially know what the customer is looking for.

Ordinary bargirls could be having a period, have a medical problem etc. , maybe waiting for customer who will arrive in 15 minutes time. May not always be available to fuck. It's wise to check the situation.

Buying a girl a drink is not an automatic pass to fuck her for whatever you think she is worth. Even paying the BF does not guarantee a fuck. It allows her to get changed and leave the bar with you or sit with you without dancing. Separate negotiation is required for the sex, ST or LT.

Guys have been known to BF a Coyote girl late when the BF price drops and take her out to a disco or club, or restaurant even she does not officially go for sex. I don't know if these girls later change their minds and fuck or not. Palm who used to work at Mercury had plenty of customers like that, she was just so hot and pretty. These customers came for her only. I did not ever get round to BFing her myself. Obviously I wanted to fuck her but did not get a chance to and don't know if she was persuadable. I did fuck Anna another Coyote in there, who was a real go-er on the bed and the best Coyote dancer in the bar (also did her in her Midnite days a few years before). She clearly was available for sex. Both girls are gone now. Some Coyotes in there can be fucked, for sure. The normal gogo girls in there are mostly too pudgy for me (but Indians seem to generally like more meat on the girls).

Sure I don't like it when hot Coyote girls have a husband and are not available to fuck. However I have to accept that they have a right to work in a non sex role. They are not sex slaves that can be just bought and sold. Girls must maintain the right to choose what they do and what they don't do for money or otherwise.

Girls have to right to refuse to fuck Arrogant Assholes too. You can't just pay the money and expect them to be a "done deal".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932102]Yes, and if Johnny Depp convinced Kate Middleton, The Dutchess of Canbridge, that one ST with him would "solve world hunger", that would be a done deal too. Why confine it to just working girls? EVERY woman and EVERY man has a price that, if met, ST would be a done deal.

But that isn't really what we're talking about here, right? The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where for decades everyone has known the norm is you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex and the expectation is not that you will buy her Ladydrinks just for a pleasant chat.[/QUOTE]There is no scam there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932095]So it is not totally evident if the cop was fake or real. Could be either. I presume the girl would have been in an illegal category, to make the situation more serious.

Scams with Police involvement at Airports have been reported too. Cops have been known to enter someone's house to search for drugs, and then plant the drugs. People having drugs planted in their bag is a well known big problem. So Thailand is very unsafe place for getting set up by real police. You have the well known Koh Tao murders case.

Always useful to be as anonymous as possible in Thailand.

Can't you just block a We Chat contact so you don't receive messages or calls? I don't use We Chat so I don't know.

I used to maintain two phone numbers. One for normal use, and another for the monger phone. This is probably a useful idea to avoid having to change your main phone number too often due to problems. I have a phone that takes two SIM cards as well.
[/QUOTE]You are missing the point my man. All the time she was in the lobby she thought I was upstairs in that hotel. She did not believe my story of not being home and had no idea I was lieing about my hotel. As soon as I told her the fake hotel name, she was off to my location with no notice. I hope that's clearer for you my man. When we are goona have that beer by the way?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932114]You are missing the point my man. All the time she was in the lobby she thought I was upstairs in that hotel. She did not believe my story of not being home and had no idea I was lieing about my hotel. As soon as I told her the fake hotel name, she was off to my location with no notice. I hope that's clearer for you my man. When we are goona have that beer by the way?[/QUOTE]Yes okay I did miss that point. I am not the most intuitive. I assumed the Hotel would have said straight off, no such customer, but they may have stubbornly believed you were definitely there. LOL I will PM you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932106]ROFLMAO. It is very well known that Coyote girls in the bars are not necessarily barfinable, and even if BFable are not necessarily available for sex.
[/QUOTE]So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?

If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932109]There is no scam there.[/QUOTE]You walk into a restaurant, a nice looking place nestled in a row of lovely restaurants known for serving damn good food. You sit down, open the menu and when the waitress comes over you point to the picture of a hamburger and fries. While waiting for your food order to arrive you order an exceptionally expensive imported beer.

Twenty minutes later the waitress comes to your table and plops down a beautiful photo of a hamburger and fries. "What's that?", you ask her. "Oh", she says, "that's what we sell here; photos of food. We don't sell real food here. "

Hey, nobody said Joe's Bar & Grill had to serve actual food, did they? They presented photos of food in their menu, you pointed to a photo of food and, by god, that is what they served you. What's the big deal? But they got your money for that exceptionally expensive beer while you were waiting for it.

Scam or no scam?

Analogies are the device of weak minds, when it comes to proving something. For proof, they do nothing, they merely illustrate how you feel about a situation.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932126]So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?

If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.[/QUOTE]I signalled I would buy her a drink before any conversation started at all. I liked her fun playful dance style. I wanted to chat to her. I had no intention to BF her.

Girls do not start a conversation with "Hello, I'm not available for fucking". Never ever happened. If you start a conversation, and later suggest to order a drink for her, a percentage will warn you they are not available for sex, or already have a customer booking, but not all. Its probably well under 50% in any bar.

No she was obviously a Coyote (in Twisters). It was clearly a "Coyote" outfit. She was automatically in the doubtful category. I straight away asked if all the girls here were considered to be Coyotes in Twisters. She answered yes they all were, even those wearing bikinis. I asked the BF price, and she answered 1000 Baht but added that not all girls go with customers. She said she thought there were about 10 girls or so not available. I got it sussed out fairly rapidly, except that I don't know the typical asking price.

It is rude in Thai culture to ask the price of something if you don't intend to buy. Asking the price is considered to be the start of a negotiation. Once you get the girl down to agreed price, you are expected to go through it. Not if you cannot agree on the price of course. I did learn the Coyote girl was married and did not go with customers. I did not check same with other girls since I did not intend to BF them and I did not want to buy them all a drink. Rain check. I had my nice GFE session earlier in an MP (2 hours).

Yes I know guys get taken for a ride. I met an Asian guy in the street (Soi 4), new to Thailand, asking where he could buy souvenirs, who claimed he parted with 8K for a ST. I guess was a Coyote, but did not ask which bar.

If everyone read the forum first, or had an experienced buddy, they might have more clues.

Banana Boi clearly got burned though. I wasn't exactly watching, but he indicated the girl downed the drink in two gulps and pissed off rapidly when he didn't want to buy another one immediately. Also he had the girl who did not say a word. Possibly did not speak English. My girl stayed with me. She did not even go dance on her rotation, since she said there were enough girls on the stage. I liked her. She seemed honest enough girl to me. I did not detect any bullshit.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932133]You walk into a restaurant, a nice looking place nestled in a row of lovely restaurants known for serving damn good food. You sit down, open the menu and when the waitress comes over you point to the picture of a hamburger and fries. While waiting for your food order to arrive you order an exceptionally expensive imported beer.

Twenty minutes later the waitress comes to your table and plops down a beautiful photo of a hamburger and fries. "What's that?", you ask her. "Oh", she says, "that's what we sell here; photos of food. We don't sell real food here. "

Hey, nobody said Joe's Bar & Grill had to serve actual food, did they? They presented photos of food in their menu, you pointed to a photo of food and, by god, that is what they served you. What's the big deal? But they got your money for that exceptionally expensive beer while you were waiting for it.

Scam or no scam?[/QUOTE]You do make some valid points but at the end of the day these bars don't guarantee or advertise that all their ladies do full service but thanks for coming out mate.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932157]No she was obviously a Coyote (in Twisters). It was clearly a "Coyote" outfit. She was automatically in the doubtful category. I straight away asked if all the girls here were considered to be Coyotes in Twisters. She answered yes they all were, even those wearing bikinis. I asked the BF price, and she answered 1000 Baht but added that not all girls go with customers. She said she thought there were about 10 girls or so not available. I got it sussed out fairly rapidly, except that I don't know the typical asking price.

It is rude in Thai culture to ask the price of something if you don't intend to buy. Asking the price is considered to be the start of a negotiation. Once you get the girl down to agreed price, you are expected to go through it. Not if you cannot agree on the price of course. I did learn the Coyote girl was married and did not go with customers. I did not check same with other girls since I did not intend to BF them and I did not want to buy them all a drink. Rain check. I had my nice GFE session earlier in an MP (2 hours).

Yes I know guys get taken for a ride. I met an Asian guy in the street (Soi 4), new to Thailand, asking where he could buy souvenirs, who claimed he parted with 8K for a ST. I guess was a Coyote, but did not ask which bar.

If everyone read the forum first, or had an experienced buddy, they might have more clues.[/QUOTE]Twisters is counting on NONE of their bar patrons knowing anything whatsoever about "Coyotes", what Coyotes wear, Thai culture re talking about price or anything else. They are only hoping ALL of them will assume every girl in that place is available for barfine and take-out for sex if you sit for a while, buy her a couple of Ladydrinks and chat her up. And on both of those counts, they would likely be 90%+ correct. It is the rare tourist that I meet who even knows there is such a thing as a "Coyote", but they all know you go to Nana Plaza go-go bars to take women out for sex.

My restaurant analogy was quite appropriate and fitting. Such a place would not just be innocently trying to provide a worthwhile service or product and, hey, it's on you if you misunderstood or jumped to a silly conclusion. Nonsense. They would be trying to "Take customers for a ride", which is a scam. And that is what Twisters is up to.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932165]Twisters is counting on NONE of their bar patrons knowing anything whatsoever about "Coyotes", what Coyotes wear, Thai culture re talking about price or anything else. They are only hoping ALL of them will assume every girl in that place is available for barfine and take-out for sex if you sit for a while, buy her a couple of Ladydrinks and chat her up.[/QUOTE]A good number of girls are available. I don't know the exact percentage. Yes a guy could be unlucky and pick the wrong one. This applies to several bars in Nana Plaza. In an ordinary bar with no Coyotes you can still get the wrong girl who won't go for sex for one reason or another. Plenty of hot girls have a pre booking.

I remember buying a drink for Kratae in Crazy House (who looks like Rihanna) and she told me soon enough she would rather go out to a disco. I don't know if she was old enough or not for sex. She soon pissed off to some other customer. She was not a good choice clearly. Luckily did not waste a BF. One drink yes.

As far as I know, none of the girls in the "Arab's" bars are officially available for sex. Not everyone knows this. However you can be done for breaking the law even if you don't know the law. Ignorance is not bliss. Guys really need to find out what is going on.

First thing I do when entering Twisters is to try to find out all the things that are going on there as far as possible in the first visit. More to come in 2nd visit.

How does the newbie tourist know what goes on in these bars. By reading the internet? It should be explaining Coyote girls, surely. If I was a newbie in the bar with my experienced buddy, I am sure I would be asking him if all these girls can be fucked.

My very first bar was in Cowboy and called "Midnite Upstairs" (on the 2nd level) or something like that, 25 years ago and fortunately I was with a buddy who explained everything. He was a relative of the Farang bar manager. I forget the BF price, but first girl for the night cost 500 baht. Another night got one for only 400 baht and was hard to get to her leave my Hotel. She just wanted to stay.

The buddy also showed me the Thermae Coffee shop, the Grace Coffee shop and Massage places attached to each, and Pat Pong bars. Nana Plaza had not really got going yet in those days, if it had started at all.

I went on a whirlwind tour of southern Thailand with some Thai non P4 P friends that I had met in Thai Restaurants in the homeland. The pace was too much, so I soon split with them to have time to see Phuket properly.

My PI flight is delayed and sitting here reading these great post by S. The info in post#s 36490 & 36497 are so full of great insight I had to say thank you. I will save this because there is so much to remember. Thanks much! Flight is finally ready.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932126]So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?

If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932343]Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.[/QUOTE]I have said that one or two non-barfineables (as a matter of policy, that is, not because of their period, sickness, or even flat-out dislike of the customer) out of a couple of dozen girls might be ok vs what seemed like 1/3 of the girls on stage at Twisters and certainly most of the better looking ones. However, even that is a scam. It's just a scam on a somewhat smaller scale. And if it goes well, no reason not to expect the scam to grow to Twister proportions.

The "They are not slaves!" defense of this scam takes the defense of Bangkok go-go bars scamming customers to a particularly high level. Of course, they are not slaves. I have never been in a Thai go-go bar (or a BJ bar or an MP or a beer bar, etc. , for that matter) since the first one I entered back in the 1990's where every girl or even any girl had to do whatever was asked of her by any customer. Even in the odd case where a customer might insist on taking a girl from whom he has gotten absolutely zero interest in being taken, they have all had the option of saying they're on their period, they don't feel well, they've got another customer coming any minute now, whatever. And if there are publicly accessible venues with P4 P girls anywhere in Thailand that require their girls to engage in BBAnal, BBBJ CIM, BBBJ CIM+Swallow and BBFS for any man who requests it because they are "sex slaves" who must obey every demand, I have yet to hear of it or witness it.

The individual power and right for the girl to say yes or no to anyone or for anything isn't what we're talking about with the Coyote scam in places like Twister in Nana Plaza and so many places on Soi Cowboy. That has always been the case anywhere I have been in Thailand or any other country I've visited. We're talking about a built-in scam as a matter of establishment policy and business model.

Back to my restaurant analogy where the waitress brought the customer a beautiful photo of food after he'd already purchased an exceptionally expensive drink to accompany his meal because, well, after all, that is what he pointed to in the menu so no harm intended for the customer by this fair and reasonable establishment, uh-huh; if the waitress had then excused and defended the scam by saying, "Sir, we are not slaves here. There is no law requiring us to sell you real food in this place," I suppose the scammed customer would at least have a huge laugh out of the scam to go along with his exceptionally expensive drink and beautiful photo of food. Lolol.

[QUOTE=Socker;1932298]My PI flight is delayed and sitting here reading these great post by S. The info in post#s 36490 & 36497 are so full of great insight I had to say thank you. I will save this because there is so much to remember. Thanks much! Flight is finally ready.[/QUOTE]Posts #36490 and #36497? Hmm. But the most recent post prior to this one is #35635. Are you talking about another thread or did I miss something?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931284]We then moved on to ... Twisters. 2nd floor right side. It has taken over the old Rainbow 4 bar. Rainbow 4 has moved to old Candyland bar in the back corner, but redecorated it (again). Previously Candyland was a horrible dismal failure in the spot and with the bad decoration. Candyland has moved to where Candyland 2 was located. Candyland2 was previously Hot Lips until taken over. Temptations (LB bar) is in between. Have I confused everyone yet?

Girls in Twisters wore a Coyote outfit or bikini. A small number of girls were topless and 90% of those topless had incredibly beautiful young high tits with no sag, not large but very nice shape, mostly. Some girls were excessively pretty. I think there may have been about four girls who I could rate close to a 9 out of 10, with great faces and bodies. Natty Bumpo will love this bar, I reckon. Plenty of excessively cute girls.

One girl looked like she knew how to dance, was playing up with her friend very playfully, was a tall slim model, so I called her over. Name was Naam Bpun (rhymes with fun) and means an ice shake drink. She was about 28 and one of a few girls (approx. 10) that do not go with customers (she is married to a DJ). No matter, I liked her and I did not intend to BF anyone. Most girls would have been younger. She would be able to tell me all about the place. Going for a few months. She worked there for 2 months. Bpun claimed to 177cm. More like 173 I reckon. Many guys would guess LB, but clearly was not could be easily seen despite the height. Very small waist and good curves. Tits looked nice enough.

Lady drinks are 185 Baht a bit expensive. Customer drinks are cheaper than Crazy House. BF is 1000 expensive. All or almost all girls are designated as Coyotes, even though clearly many are not, since they dress incorrectly for Coyote style and cannot dance Coyote style either. Most girls were dancing reasonably energetically, so not like the Baccara shuffle. Music had some proper songs, but was mostly disco style stuff which can hardly be called music by my generation. DJ is messing with songs too much. A Michael Jackson hit became almost unrecognisable, disco-ised.

There were two groups of girls doing 15 min sets. Dancing on two stages maybe about 30 girls at a time.

For looks the line up had variation as for all bars, but no fatties at all, and all girls were above average. No super ugly girls that I noticed. The best looking girls were really superior. So the line up shits on Crazy House (right now), and also is a cut significantly above Billboard. This is for looks and for a guy like me biased towards natural Thai looks and towards slim models, tit size not important to me. This is best gogo bar line up I have seen in recent memory, for guys not that keen on surgeries. Very different to Baccara. Most customers were Japanese, but a good number of Farangs, similar mix to Crazy House except customers looked classier. My girl Bpun commented that Japanese like it here due to girls not being typical Isaan look, e. G. Not really the dark skin flat squashed nose girls. My girl was from Nakorn Pathom (not Isaan). However I am sure most girls were from Isaan, whether it was considered a classic Isaan look or not.

It was commented that some girls here set a very high price on themselves with upper limit probably 5000 Baht. I said to Bpun, that would shock Farangs. She did not mention what the lower limit girl asking price but I suspect it may not be so good. So the main reason we did not see a lot of obviously regular Farang customers there, maybe that girls are too expensive. I don't know yet.

After Twisters I went to have a look in Rainbow 4. They have downsized dramatically. This Ex Candland bar has a single stage. Maybe up to about 15 girls were dancing at one time. They were almost all clones. Light skinned adjusted surgeries looks to make them look more western. I did not like them much. Similar to Baccara style but perhaps a bit more classy looking than Baccara. No way RB4 will drag me away from Twisters. Girls looks just not in the same league for my style. RB4 had less customers and seemed very stodgy in comparison. I wonder if it will really work for them in that back corner.

Twisters bar could easily be my goto bar, provided I can find that the very pretty girls can be GFE for an acceptable price. This remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]You certainly peaked my interest with this report Syzygies and I am looking forward to hearing about your return visit.

When I last went to this location, the 2nd floor at Nana, in late April, things were not looking good. 4 Bar or something like it, ie the reincarnated RB4 was in the former corner location where Fairy Bar and before it Candyland had occupied space. I walked in and it was like a ghost town with only 3 other customers and maybe 15 girls albeit 3 of those girls were very attractive. I bought a drink and chatted with one of the cuties, but since I had just come from the Lord, I knew it was just a get acquainted conversation. After I said goodbye I took a sneak peek inside the former RB4 location and there was nobody inside. A Ladyboy at the entrance tried to coax me inside, but I lied and told her I would come back later when they had more customers. Ha Ha. This was 2 or 3 days before my departure and I had no free time left in my schedule or I would have gone back to the 4 Bar (the corner reincarnated RB4 Go Go) that had the 3 hotties.

So from what I saw in late April to your up to date description the other night, there has been some marked improvement. I would go to Twisters to check it out for myself tonight if I were in BKK. 555. Not that I am a fan of all Coyote / Agency bars, but I do like quality. Some bars have "coyotes" in name only and their "coyotes" look no different to me or better than regular girls. The bars just charge more for them. That is real BS as far as I am concerned and I do not give these bars my commerce. But if a bar really has the higher quality like "What's Up" bar in Pattaya, then I am going to check it out to see if the girls want to show me a good time. I hope Twisters is the latter type bar.

Now if a Go Go girl I find attractive gives me a smile I will invite her over for a drink or two and if I like her and we seem to be getting along real good, I will pop the barfine question or maybe postpone it for our next meeting in her bar. In my experience, Go Go girls who are interested and free to barfine will give me the smile or the look most of the time although once in a while there is the shy girl. Girls that are not interested or unavailable for barfine tend to give me the "you are invisible look. " I remember one of my favorite CH girls gave me the "invisible look" the first time I saw her dancing on stage, but that was because, as I found out 10 minutes later, she already had a customer who was coincidentally sitting right next to me with a shot of Tequila waiting for her to return to his side. At the time it appeared that she hadn't even noticed me, but a couple nights later when I returned to CH and she was free, she bounced right off the stage onto my lap naked to say Hi, clearly remembering me from the previous night. Go Go girls see all!

Anyway, If Twisters has the quality GIRLS, I will be there and I won't mind spending some Bhat on a couple lady drinks per girl to find out exactly what the story is. If, however, as has been reported here on the forum by other BM's, that it is the management's policy that it's Coyote girls do not barfine, then I will find that out in two or 3 nights and will end all future commerce with the bar.

This all reminds me of the night I walked into What's Up, the original Coyote bar in Pattaya, and saw the Princess dancing on stage for the first time. I instantly knew I wanted her and did not bother even looking around to see if there were any other girls, there were, who might also turn me on with their looks. The princess smiled at me and I invited her over for a drink. The rest is history yada, yada, yada. The year was 2012 and she became my favorite girl through my next 2 trips to LOS. We even got together in BKK a few times when she came up to see her daughter who lived with her mother here. Then I lost track of her for 3 years until we ran into each other again in Sapphire Go Go last fall. She told me she had been "engaged" to a British guy and he took her to Manchester or some place in GB.

Any way I mention her now because she was an Agency girl alright and her barfine was incredibly high for back then and it is still high by today's standards as well ie. 2000 before midnight and 1000 after. But she was a great girl. I can still recall being stunned by the barfine prices she quoted me that first night, but I was prepared to shell out 2000 to get her. I didn't care. She was one of the hottest girls I ever saw in a Go Go. It was around 10 pm and I began to reach down into my pockets for the cash, but she told me to hold off and wait until midnight saying 2000 was too much and I should not pay it. So we talked and held hands, drank a little and I watched her periodically dance on the stage until around 11:45 when she finally got the all clear to leave early with me. After that night we made prearranged dates when I wanted to see her and she would wait for me to show up around 11:30, buy her one drink, and then we would leave. We also used to have afternoon get togethers for lunch, bowling (yeah seriously), a movie, shopping (she always wanted something ha ha) and boom boom. At night I gave her 3000. In the afternoon I always bought her a "present".

So the question is: are the Twister girls actual coyote / agency quality or is that just a tag the bar stuck on them and do these girls want to party (shag). If the answer to either of these two questions is no, then count me out. I won't go to this bar more than the first couple of times to find out. But if the answer is yes to both questions, then count me in. Life is too short to quibble about money.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. " George Best.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932343]Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.[/QUOTE]The line between being scammed and simply not being aware of how things work can be blurred but buying drinks for girls in a bar does not mean she will automatically leave with you. Should a customer be told this in advance, yes, should he check it out before buying drinks yes, if he doesn't goes ahead buys drinks and then finds out she won't go with him is it a scam, in my opinion no. The onus is on him to know the score.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931284]Today I was in Survey mode. Firstly in Thermae with Banana Boi.

I had to admit to finding about five or seven girls that were quite doable (meaning pretty for me). Would have been difficult to decide which one. Of course I don't know which of them would have accepted me.

Rat my previous girl from Thermae was there. She still looked mighty cute to me. However knowing she does not kiss at all, that is a stumbling block. She still makes it into the top half dozen for looks (my taste). Banana Boi did not take a girl either. His friend did.

We then moved on to Nana Plaza. Mackin had recommended to me Twisters. 2nd floor right side. It has taken over the old Rainbow 4 bar. Rainbow 4 has moved to old Candyland bar in the back corner, but redecorated it (again). Previously Candyland was a horrible dismal failure in the spot and with the bad decoration. Candyland has moved to where Candyland 2 was located. Candyland2 was previously Hot Lips until taken over. Temptations (LB bar) is in between. Have I confused everyone yet?

Girls in Twisters wore a Coyote outfit or bikini. A small number of girls were topless and 90% of those topless had incredibly beautiful young high tits with no sag, not large but very nice shape, mostly. Some girls were excessively pretty. I think there may have been about four girls who I could rate close to a 9 out of 10, with great faces and bodies. Natty Bumpo will love this bar, I reckon. Plenty of excessively cute girls.

The level of Saiyagum (Surgeries) was low enough. Not that many nose jobs and silicones. Again I would have great difficulty choosing a girl. Several very hot looking girls for my taste. Some even had big naturals, unfortunately covered.

One girl looked like she knew how to dance, was playing up with her friend very playfully, was a tall slim model, so I called her over. Name was Naam Bpun (rhymes with fun) and means an ice shake drink. She was about 28 and one of a few girls (approx. 10) that do not go with customers (she is married to a DJ). No matter, I liked her and I did not intend to BF anyone. Most girls would have been younger. She would be able to tell me all about the place. Going for a few months. She worked there for 2 months. Bpun claimed to 177cm. More like 173 I reckon. Many guys would guess LB, but clearly was not could be easily seen despite the height. Very small waist and good curves. Tits looked nice enough.

Lady drinks are 185 Baht a bit expensive. Customer drinks are cheaper than Crazy House. BF is 1000 expensive. All or almost all girls are designated as Coyotes, even though clearly many are not, since they dress incorrectly for Coyote style and cannot dance Coyote style either. Most girls were dancing reasonably energetically, so not like the Baccara shuffle. Music had some proper songs, but was mostly disco style stuff which can hardly be called music by my generation. DJ is messing with songs too much. A Michael Jackson hit became almost unrecognisable, disco-ised.

There were two groups of girls doing 15 min sets. Dancing on two stages maybe about 30 girls at a time.

For looks the line up had variation as for all bars, but no fatties at all, and all girls were above average. No super ugly girls that I noticed. The best looking girls were really superior. So the line up shits on Crazy House (right now), and also is a cut significantly above Billboard. This is for looks and for a guy like me biased towards natural Thai looks and towards slim models, tit size not important to me. This is best gogo bar line up I have seen in recent memory, for guys not that keen on surgeries. Very different to Baccara. Most customers were Japanese, but a good number of Farangs, similar mix to Crazy House except customers looked classier. My girl Bpun commented that Japanese like it here due to girls not being typical Isaan look, e. G. Not really the dark skin flat squashed nose girls. My girl was from Nakorn Pathom (not Isaan). However I am sure most girls were from Isaan, whether it was considered a classic Isaan look or not.

It was commented that some girls here set a very high price on themselves with upper limit probably 5000 Baht. I said to Bpun, that would shock Farangs. She did not mention what the lower limit girl asking price but I suspect it may not be so good. So the main reason we did not see a lot of obviously regular Farang customers there, maybe that girls are too expensive. I don't know yet. Perhaps Banana Boi asked some girls how much? I don't know. Some girls might be worth 3 K or so due to being stunning, but there were also plenty of more average girls that would not be worth large numbers.

Clearly I will return another day to see if a very pretty girl can be obtained for a good price and give a good GFE. Otherwise my cute Billboard girl with fab GFE for a reasonable price may win out.

I can even go out to the Nana Carpark and get a very nice girl for 1500. Today met Aor in carpark, and noted to try her another day. Very cute for me. Not a 9 by any means but still looking nice. Maybe a 7 would be more realistic. Word has spread in nana Carpark, already by girls I took previously, that I am a nice guy and girls should like me.

After Twisters I went to have a look in Rainbow 4. They have downsized dramatically. This Ex Candland bar has a single stage. Maybe up to about 15 girls were dancing at one time. They were almost all clones. Light skinned adjusted surgeries looks to make them look more western. I did not like them much. Similar to Baccara style but perhaps a bit more classy looking than Baccara. No way RB4 will drag me away from Twisters. Girls looks just not in the same league for my style. RB4 had less customers and seemed very stodgy in comparison. I wonder if it will really work for them in that back corner.

Twisters bar could easily be my goto bar, provided I can find that the very pretty girls can be GFE for an acceptable price. This remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]Good intel provided which now refutes the claim by another poster this bar is a scam. Scam scam scam, these guys who are scam scared call everthing a scam in life if it does not go there way. Great report my man.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932382]Good intel provided which now refutes the claim by another poster this bar is a scam. Scam scam scam, these guys who are scam scared call everthing a scam in life if it does not go there way. Great report my man.[/QUOTE]Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and it is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts. Maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea. But when I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twisters' stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones.

Even though I was 99% sure what the answer would be, I asked the mamasan why some of the girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, pointing in the direction of their legs to make sure she knew what I meant. She said, "oh, only dance and get Ladydrink, no barfine. "

And then the server brought me a beautiful photo of the cocktail I'd pointed to the pic of on their menu, plopped a check bin for 250 baht in my cup and all was well. Lolol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932387]Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts, maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. When I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twister's stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea.

Even though I was 99% sure what the answer would be, I asked the mamasan why some of the girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, pointing in the direction of their legs to make sure she knew what I meant. She said, "oh, only dance and get Ladydrink, no barfine. "

And then the server brought me a beautiful photo of the cocktail I'd pointed to the pic of on their menu, plopped a check bin for 250 baht in my cup and all was well. Lolol.[/QUOTE]And in a few years when all the gals are making enough in salary and lady drinks (and perhaps at some point lap dances) to pay their bills, all these dudes will complain that there are no gals to be bar fined anymore. That day is coming. And sooner than most guys think.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932390]And in a few years when all the gals are making enough in salary and lady drinks (and perhaps at some point lap dances) to pay their bills, all these dudes will complain that there are no gals to be bar fined anymore. That day is coming. And sooner than most guys think.[/QUOTE]LOL. I was thinking the same thing about the lap dances. When a couple of posters here finally get their way and the go-go bars in Bangkok / Pattaya are no different than the strip joints in the USA where the "no go" girls are the majority norm and maybe one or two skanks in the place will throw you a handjob for $50, we will have entire threads devoted to which Bangkok bars to get the best 5 minute, fully clothed, 1000 baht lap dance. I can hardly wait!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932397]LOL. I was thinking the same thing about the lap dances. When a couple of posters here finally get their way and the go-go bars in Bangkok / Pattaya are no different than the strip joints in the USA where the "no go" girls are the majority norm and maybe one or two skanks in the place will throw you a handjob for $50, we will have entire threads devoted to which Bangkok bars to get the best 5 minute, fully clothed, 1000 baht lap dance. I can hardly wait![/QUOTE]When I first saw guys tipping gals on stage for doing nothing I thought, "Well, here we go." And it has been downhill ever since. Of course the gals and owners know that most guys will take what they can get. Sad really.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932401]When I first saw guys tipping gals on stage for doing nothing I thought, "Well, here we go." And it has been downhill ever since. Of course the gals and owners know that most guys will take what they can get. Sad really.[/QUOTE]Yes, but I'll bet those gals and owners had no idea there would be passionate and devoted defenders and apologists for the movement trying with all their might to convince the rest of us we ought to be happy about it and grateful for it along the way! That has to be as big a shock to them as it ought to be to more posters here. A nice bonus that I assume they could never have predicted. Crowd psychology is an interesting thing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932359]Posts #36490 and #36497? Hmm. But the most recent post prior to this one is #35635. Are you talking about another thread or did I miss something?[/QUOTE]Not sure what is with your browser. Those numbers match my explanation about what is going on with the "Coyotes".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932387]Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and it is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts. Maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea. But when I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twisters' stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones.
[/QUOTE]Quite simply I did not notice any girl wearing tights or pantyhose. I will obviously look for that next time. I am sure there were not many in that category or surely I would have noticed. Maybe I was seated in the wrong location or my glasses were fogged up. I could not see all girls clearly from my seating location. I believe my girls had bare legs, since I was admiring her beautiful sleek skin, however it was a very obvious Coyote outfit with multi-layers. She did have a bit much for tattoos. That was noticeable and a face piercing detracted from her looks slightly. I do recall noticing plenty of Coyotes having pantyhose on, in the past at other bars, so it would not be unusual.

Other bars have some girls that are not barfinable. Even Long Gun a few years ago had a special dancer or two who did not go for sex. I will try to find out if there is an easy way to identify the non BFable girls for sure. I am sure the topless girls will be barfinable.

Billboard also has lots of barfinable Coyotes. Can't say I noticed any pantyhose there either. So could be a connection. Perhaps not a 100% correlation. I mean I doubt the bar is going to have any rule that states a barfinable girl cannot wear pantyhose and non BFable girls can.

It's amazing that you guys who have no interest in bars are posting so much about them, and getting so hung up on whether a Coyote girl of no interest was wearing pantyhose.
I like to visit bars, if they have girl with the looks to attract me. I just seek to point out all the facts of importance as best I can about what is going on, or what I was told about how it works (which could be distorted). However when I get any more or better info, I will report it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932416]Not sure what is with your browser. Those numbers match my explanation about what is going on with the "Coyotes".[/QUOTE]Yes, something very strange happened. After logging off and back on a minute ago, the latest #35 XXX posts all changed to #36 XXX.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932387]Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and it is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts. Maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea. But when I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twisters' stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones.

Even though I was 99% sure what the answer would be, I asked the mamasan why some of the girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, pointing in the direction of their legs to make sure she knew what I meant. She said, "oh, only dance and get Ladydrink, no barfine. "

And then the server brought me a beautiful photo of the cocktail I'd pointed to the pic of on their menu, plopped a check bin for 250 baht in my cup and all was well. Lolol.[/QUOTE]Yawn yawn yawn. Next please. I think this stupid topic has been discussed to death. I agree with Asia Rain about the user blogs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932420]Quite simply I did not notice any girl wearing tights or pantyhose. I will obviously look for that next time. I am sure there were not many in that category or surely I would have noticed. Maybe I was seated in the wrong location or my glasses were fogged up. I could not see all girls clearly from my seating location. I believe my girls had bare legs, since I was admiring her beautiful sleek skin, however it was a very obvious Coyote outfit with multi-layers. She did have a bit much for tattoos. That was noticeable and a face piercing detracted from her looks slightly. I do recall noticing plenty of Coyotes having pantyhose on, in the past at other bars, so it would not be unusual.

It doesn't bother me that much that not all girls are barfinable. Other bars have the same thing. I will try to find out if there is an easy way to identify them. I am sure the topless girls will be barfinable.

Billboard also has lots of barfinable Coyotes. Can't say I noticed any pantyhose there either. So could be a connection. Perhaps not a 100% correlation. I mean I doubt the bar is going to have any rule that states a barfinable girl cannot wear pantyhose and non BFable girls can.

It's amazing that you guys who have no interest in bars are posting so much about them, and getting so hung up on whether a Coyote girl of no interest was wearing pantyhose.
I like to visit bars, if they have girl with the looks to attract me. I just seek to point out all the facts of importance as best I can about what is going on, or what I told about how it works (which could be distorted). However when I get any more or better info, I will report it.[/QUOTE]I believe the different outfits some Coyotes wear is the way to differentiate between the amount of barfine is required to take them out. In other words, those different kinds of skirts. Bikinis or whatever are not the tip off that they don't go barfine. It is the tights / pantyhose that is the far more telling garb for those who do not "have sex", as some of those so clad girls will say or, hopefully, won't barfine either. And that would be regardless what kind of skirt or bikini they wear, what color tag or button and so on.

If you look closer down below their boobs and butt, you should start noticing quite a few girls in Patpong and especially Soi Cowboy wearing those tights / pantyhose. Some nights there must be 80-90% of the "no go" Coyotes standing outside the bars on Soi Cowboy wearing tights / pantyhose. Ask them if they go barfine, the vast majority will either only smile sheepishly and say nothing (in hopes that you will mistakenly take that for a "yes" and go inside to start buying Ladydrinks) or they will come right out with it; "no". It HAD been a rarity in Nana Plaza. But after what I saw in Twisters that night it is clear they are testing the waters to see what they can get away with.

No, those girls are not wearing tights / pantyhose because the weather is cold. LOL. They wear them in the dead hottest middle of Hot Season. They wear them because they do not go barfine / do not "have sex".

What makes you think we (I) don't have interest in bars? These exchanges were largely triggered by my report after having gone into the Nana Plaza bars. I go to Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza bars to barfine girls quite often. I took one from Billboard just a couple of weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932390]And in a few years when all the gals are making enough in salary and lady drinks (and perhaps at some point lap dances) to pay their bills, all these dudes will complain that there are no gals to be bar fined anymore. That day is coming. And sooner than most guys think.[/QUOTE]Yes we already have the Arab introducing all his no sex bars. I do wish he would get no customers. I read he recently acquired Rawhide.

Nana of course has too many LB bars, and LBs creeping into several Cowboy bars.

If I can't get a pretty girl for take out, then the bars will have died their last death. No great interest in lap dances if they cost money, although I have had girls jiggling around on my lap because there are no spare seats. I guess it is fair to say the Crazy House lap dance costs you a lady drink. I am not aware if any guys actually pay a fee for it. Maybe a tip.

Saphan Kwai bars have lap dances. It serves the purpose to try to make guys more horny to decide to BF the girls or in some cases provide some titillation to guys that are not allowed to fuck (obeying the wife) or don't have the money to fuck. I forget the lapdance fee. Wasn't that high. I had just one out of curiosity.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932423]Yawn yawn yawn. Next please. I think this stupid topic has been discussed to death. I agree with Asia Rain about the user blogs.[/QUOTE]Well, despite your personal objections to it, some of us just might continue to post our thoughts and experiences with it. That is ok with you, isn't it? Not that it matters. LOL.

Ok guys, back to some good reporting instead if this crap about coyotes, it's getting really old. For the guys who want to dabble in the Thai mongering scene, I have been seeing some ladies they refer to as sideline girls from these websites. This basically means ladies who moonlight as escorts to pay tuition or support babies. However, its mostly a lot of students. These ladies place ads on the internet looking for customers, similar to Craigs List but more real and less bull shit. Most of the ads include photos, Mobile numbers, and Line IDs. Just add the ladies Line ID or give her a call. Few can speak English so try and send Thai using google to translate. Some real lookers, many between 18-25.

I asked permission beforehand from Jackson to post these links since they are kind of commercial. Here goes boys. ENJOY.

[URL]https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43[/URL]

[URL]https://69sideline.com[/URL]

[URL]http://sidelinexxx.com/index.php?board=2.0[/URL]

[URL]http://sidelinegroup.net[/URL]

[URL]https://www.24sidelineth.com/forum-45-1.html[/URL]

[URL]http://sexysideline.com/index.php?board=1.0[/URL]


Similar to Sephan Kwai, some Thai skills are recommended. I have only be refused twice and I was told straight, no farang customers.

I wanted to post another comment about the Coyote girls wearing tights / pantyhose and I can't think of a better time than now; Haven't you guys who walk down Soi Cowboy past those lineups of sweet young things standing out there trying to entice you into the bar for some Ladydrink buying noticed how smooth, blemish-free, mark-free and, most striking of all, tatoo-free those girls' legs are? When was the last time you saw such a large group of young Thai girls without seeing tons of big, ugly tattoos all over their legs?

That's because most of them are wearing tights / pantyhose that cover those big, ugly tattoos. The tights / pantyhose are remarkably natural looking, matching their overall skin color quite nicely. I can understand how many less detail oriented or more distracted customers would miss seeing them. Which, btw, is what they are hoping you will miss until after at least one Ladydrink has been bought. lol.

I think it makes them look younger and more innocent, since it does such a good job of hiding those big, ugly tattoos that are no doubt underneath many of them.

But that isn't why they wear those tights / pantyhose either. They wear them to indicate they are girls who do not "have sex" and / or are not barfineable. There won't even be bare hands gliding across bare leg skin with those girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932425]I believe the different outfits some Coyotes wear is the way to differentiate between the amount of barfine is required to take them out. In other words, those different kinds of skirts. Bikinis or whatever are not the tip off that they don't go barfine. It is the tights / pantyhose that is the far more telling garb for those who do not "have sex", as some of those so clad girls will say or, hopefully, won't barfine either. And that would be regardless what kind of skirt or bikini they wear, what color tag or button and so on.

No, those girls are not wearing tights / pantyhose because the weather is cold. LOL. They wear them in the dead hottest middle of Hot Season. They wear them because they do not go barfine / do not "have sex".

What makes you think we (I) don't have interest in bars? These exchanges were largely triggered by my report after having gone into the Nana Plaza bars. I go to Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza bars to barfine girls quite often. I took one from Billboard just a couple of weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Well great if you do like bars. My Billboard girl has been so good, that I never tried a different one, in there. She knows how to behave.

I honestly thought most Coyote girls were wearing pantyhose was because they wanted their legs to look smoother. The usual reason, as I have noticed some non barfinable Coyotes are not wearing pantyhose.

The traditional Coyote outfit is clearly very short cutoff shorts, not skirts or bikinis at all. So I would assume any girl not wearing the shorts would likely be barfinable. Any girl topless would be barfinable. Plenty of girls at Billboard wearing cutoff shorts are barfinable, as for my girl Tukataa.

Plenty of regular Coyotes wear boots, but I did not notice that being that case at Twisters. I did look at the feet of Naam Bpun in twisters. I wanted to see how tall the heels were. As she was very tall, I believe her normal high heal shoes had a heel of around only about 3 inches. I am sure she had no pantyhose on. Very sleek tan skin legs that I am sure I stroked at least once.

And I couldn't think of a better time to give the last words to a wise man Syzygies and to use the trusty ignore button. Great post!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932420]

It's amazing that you guys who have no interest in bars are posting so much about them, and getting so hung up on whether a Coyote girl of no interest was wearing pantyhose.
I like to visit bars, if they have girl with the looks to attract me. I just seek to point out all the facts of importance as best I can about what is going on, or what I was told about how it works (which could be distorted). However when I get any more or better info, I will report it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932153]Analogies are the device of weak minds, when it comes to proving something. For proof, they do nothing, they merely illustrate how you feel about a situation.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I like this one better. The last last words come from this wise man as well.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932431]Ok guys, back to some good reporting instead if this crap about coyotes, it's getting really old. For the guys who want to dabble in the Thai mongering scene, I have been seeing some ladies they refer to as sideline girls from these websites. This basically means ladies who moonlight as escorts to pay tuition or support babies. However, its mostly a lot of students. These ladies place ads on the internet looking for customers, similar to Craigs List but more real and less bull shit. Most of the ads include photos, Mobile numbers, and Line IDs. Just add the ladies Line ID or give her a call. Few can speak English so try and send Thai using google to translate. Some real lookers, many between 18-25.

I asked permission beforehand from Jackson to post these links since they are kind of commercial. Here goes boys. ENJOY.

[URL]https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43[/URL]

[URL]https://69sideline.com[/URL]

[URL]http://sidelinexxx.com/index.php?board=2.0[/URL]

[URL]http://sidelinegroup.net[/URL]

[URL]https://www.24sidelineth.com/forum-45-1.html[/URL]

[URL]http://sexysideline.com/index.php?board=1.0[/URL]


Similar to Sephan Kwai, some Thai skills are recommended. I have only be refused twice and I was told straight, no farang customers.[/QUOTE]Wow!

Thanks so much for this. This info is gold!

So you have actual experience taking these girls?

I may start learning Thai. 555.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1932440]Wow!

Thanks so much for this. This info is gold!

So you have actual experience taking these girls?

I may start learning Thai. 555.[/QUOTE]My next 10 K date is with one of these ladies.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932433]Well great if you do like bars. My Billboard girl has been so good, that I never tried a different one, in there. She knows how to behave.

I honestly thought most Coyote girls were wearing pantyhose was because they wanted their legs to look smoother. The usual reason, as I have noticed some non barfinable Coyotes are not wearing pantyhose.

The traditional Coyote outfit is clearly very short cutoff shorts, not skirts or bikinis at all. So I would assume any girl not wearing the shorts would likely be barfinable. Any girl topless would be barfinable. Plenty of girls at Billboard wearing cutoff shorts are barfinable, as for my girl Tukataa.

Plenty of regular Coyotes wear boots, but I did not notice that being that case at Twisters. I did look at the feet of Naam Bpun in twisters. I wanted to see how tall the heels were. As she was very tall, I believe her normal high heal shoes had a heel of around only about 3 inches. I am sure she had no pantyhose on. Very sleek tan skin legs that I am sure I stroked at least once.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am sure there are some Coyotes and even non-Coyotes by any definition who will not go barfine, as is their choice. And I do not consider a Coyote whose barfine is double what the going rate is in her bar to be part of a scam. It is reasonable to see the how and why some girls would command more money than their co-workers in a venue. In fact, I have spoken highly here of my experiences with "Special" girls in the upstairs Mandarin Bar in Nana Plaza who require a 1500 baht barfine vs the regular 700 baht (I think) barfine. I would not consider that kind of upcharge for some girls to be a scam as long as the girls are providing something better than the norm. My experiences with three of those girls over the past year or so were noticeably better than the norm.

However, the 3,000 baht Coyote barfine at Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy is where it moves into scam territory IMO because it is so high as to clearly intend to prevent customers from barfining the girls and cannot possibly represent a reasonable upcharge for more or better anything beyond what you'd get from the non-Coyotes there.

So Coyotes wearing different garb might only mean different barfine rates, not that they don't go barfine at all. However, I would be surprised to find out a significant number of Coyotes wearing those tights / pantyhose in and around the bars also have barfine rates that can be quoted or offered, upcharged or not.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932431]Ok guys, back to some good reporting instead if this crap about coyotes, it's getting really old. For the guys who want to dabble in the Thai mongering scene, I have been seeing some ladies they refer to as sideline girls from these websites. This basically means ladies who moonlight as escorts to pay tuition or support babies. However, its mostly a lot of students. These ladies place ads on the internet looking for customers, similar to Craigs List but more real and less bull shit. Most of the ads include photos, Mobile numbers, and Line IDs. Just add the ladies Line ID or give her a call. Few can speak English so try and send Thai using google to translate. Some real lookers, many between 18-25.

I asked permission beforehand from Jackson to post these links since they are kind of commercial. Here goes boys. ENJOY.

[URL]https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43[/URL]
[/QUOTE]
Thanks Pal.

On dek24, I had to open Kamyui, since was same name of a girl I enjoyed at Can Cam massage some time ago.
Wasn't same girl, however I was really amused by her post:

สาวอ้วนรับงานลาดพร้าว เป็นกันเอง ไอดีanny1325 Translatation: Fat girl will take customers in Lat Prao (friendly service)
kamyui
รับงาน1000/1น้ำ เพิ่มน้ำละ500 ไม่รวมห้อง ไม่ก้น ไม่สด ไม่แตกปาก
Translate literal: takes work, 1000 per water, top up water for 500, does not include room fee, no bottom, no fresh/raw, no break mouth
Meaning (my best guess): 1000 per fuck, 500 for each additional shot, pay for room separate, no anal, no BBFS, no CIM.

Not all girls are cheap. On another site Piano looked quite cute in the pics (only a percentage are to my taste), so I guess she is like an escort:
ชื่อ: piano ka (Name Piano - also uses Aor elsewhere)
เพศ: หญิงแท้ (Gender: real Woman)
สิ่งที่ทำ (Service): เยส (Yes?) โมคสด (BBBJ) เลียน้องสาว (DATY) 69 ขึ้นให้ (Cowgirl) จับนม (grab tits allowed) ดูดนม (suck tits) จูบแลกลิ้น (DFK) อาบน้ำให้ (Shower together)
สถานที่รับงาน: (district) จังหวัดกรุงเทพมหานคร (Bangkok)
ห้องรับงาน: (workplace) โรงแรม (Hotel)
ค่าใช้จ่าย (The fees)
น้ำแรก: 4000บาท (First shot 4K)
น้ำสอง: จ่ายเพิ่มอีก2000บาท (2nd shot 2k)
ค่าห้อง: 460บาท (room fee)
Vital Stats were also given.
The one detail missing really was how much time you can get for your pops.

The sites seem to have real pics, although naturally some are shopped (e.g. to do big eyes etc.)

Was nice for me to pick up some new to me (or variations from what I use) Thai Euphemisms for services:
โมคสด ("Moke Sot") = Smoke Raw (BBBJ) Moke is short for "Smoke"
เลียน้องสาว ("lia Nong Saow") = Lick the Younger Sister (Pussy) (DATY)
ขึ้นให้ ("Kheun Hai") = Go up for you (Cowgirl I guess)
จูบแลกลิ้น ("Joop Laek Lin") = Kiss with tongue exchange (DFK)

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932441]My next 10 K date is with one of these ladies.[/QUOTE]How much Thai do you have to know to take advantage of this resource?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1932447]How much Thai do you have to know to take advantage of this resource?[/QUOTE]Like I said, use google translate to help you make the date and some can write English but can't speak. I have taken out 9 so far and like I said, number 10 is coming soon.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932445]Yes, I am sure there are some Coyotes and even non-Coyotes by any definition who will not go barfine, as is their choice. And I do not consider a Coyote whose barfine is double what the going rate is in her bar to be part of a scam. It is reasonable to see the how and why some girls would command more money than their co-workers in a venue.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with the different levels of barfine in a gogo club. If the girl is hotter it should be up to the girl to ask more for ST / LT, not the bar.

Even if they BF, I have run into some girls at Sapphire where even if they BF they will not boom boom. They will only go eat and go to discos.

How much do girls get from the BF? The worst I heard was 125 out of 1000. I know girls like BF since it counts towards their weekly drink quotas. when the girl is desperate to meet her drink quota I have used this to my advantage to BF her and take her out like it was her day off.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1932451]I don't agree with the different levels of barfine in a gogo club. If the girl is hotter it should be up to the girl to ask more for ST / LT, not the bar.

Even if they BF, I have run into some girls at Sapphire where even if they BF they will not boom boom. They will only go eat and go to discos.

How much do girls get from the BF? The worst I heard was 125 out of 1000. I know girls like BF since it counts towards their weekly drink quotas. when the girl is desperate to meet her drink quota I have used this to my advantage to BF her and take her out like it was her day off.[/QUOTE]I see what you mean about the different levels of barfine in a gogo bar. However, my impression of the situation in Mandarin, where I have paid the 1,500 barfine for their "Special" girls vs the regular 700 baht barfine, is that the management has some control over either screening the girls to find out what they are up for before granting them "Special" staus or move them up to "Special" status when it becomes known or fairly well established that they are not likely to pull any of the usual "Yes in the bar / No in the room" tricks too many other bargirls pull.

We know that many times a go-go girl gets nothing but lousy feedback from disappointed customers when they pull tricks like that but the bar management doesn't give a shit as long as she continues to help them sell more Ladydrinks and so on. So those girls keep working in their bars and everyone just shrugs off whatever crap service she is actually providing after agreeing to much better than crap service in the bar; "Yes in the bar/No in the room"

But if the bar is willing to monitor this and actually give a shit about it enough to grant to girls who never or rarely pull a "Yes in the bar / No in the room" trick a status or designation that makes them more desirable to customers because it is implied that they will provide a more certain happy outcome for their customers with no tricks, I will happily pay a reasonable upcharge for that kind of management involvement even if the bar gets all of it and the girl only gets what you agree to pay her separately.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932448]Like I said, use google translate to help you make the date and some can write English but can't speak. I have taken out 9 so far and like I said, number 10 is coming soon.[/QUOTE]
You do have the web page translations these days, but Google Translate does not do as good a job of translating Thai to English as it would do for say German, as an example.

Here is a sample of Google Translate and my translate in brackets:

Name: piano ka (Name Piano - also uses Aor elsewhere).
Female McCoy (Gender: real Woman).
What to do (Service): Yes (Yes?) Ormoc fresh (BBBJ) Mongolian sister (DATY) up to (Cowgirl) hold milk (grab tits allowed) milk (suck tits) kisses exchanged tongue (DFK) bath water (shower together)
Where to Get the Job: (district), Bangkok (Bangkok).
Get a job: (workplace) Hotels (Hotel).
Expenses (The fees).
Water early 4000 baht (First shot 4K).
Water: Pay an extra 2000 baht (2nd shot 2k).
Room: 460 baht (room fee).

You can see that sometimes the Google Translate can be a little Baffling. Like "Ormoc Fresh" should be "Smoke Fresh", and "Mongolian Sister" should be "Lick the Younger Sister". How it managed Mongolian, I don't know.

Female McCoy means the Real McCoy LOL. Sometimes we see เพศ: สาวสองยังไม่ผ่า which means Gender: girl 2nd (type) not yet surgically removed (dick).
Ladyboys in Thailand are known as girls of the 2nd type.

Do you find some other translator online does better than Google?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1932451]I don't agree with the different levels of barfine in a gogo club. If the girl is hotter it should be up to the girl to ask more for ST / LT, not the bar.
[/QUOTE]In some bars, like Dollhouse, they introduced a rule that Coyote girl could not be barfined before a certain time nor before she had sold at least x number of drinks. I did not like it of course, because I like to take girls for ST early in the evening. The fact that I only needed her for an hour, did not sway their rule. So girl had to be ruled out.

Typically Coyotes have high barfine price early and it may decrease at Midnight.

In a bar like Mercury, If Palm was not present, would cause me to leave soon enough, given Noi was also away. So there was some upside to Palm typically being barfined very late when the price had dropped. I am not trying to apologise for the bar at all. Merely explaining what I believe to be the situation.

Once the really hot girls for looks and maybe dancing ability leave the bar, the power to pull customers ability of the bar staff drops significantly, the drinks sold can drop significantly too. They want to hold the hot Coyotes in the bar for as long as possible, and so levy high barfines on them. The BF is some compensation for the potential loss of drinks revenue, but probably does not cover it fully for the hottest girls like Palm. Palm would have multiple customers concurrently wanting to have her sit with them and receive drinks. Not many other Coyotes had that same level. One or two Coyotes that fuck had some competition for them as well, but they did not distract me much from Palm, the classy stunner.

Different girls have vastly different customer pulling power, and drinks selling potential. Hence makes some sense that the barfine values might vary. It is not purely looks, but playfulness, ability to make fun and conversation count too.

It is not clear to me why Billboard has designated so many girls (all non topless girls) to be Coyotes. Twisters uses it as an excuse to set BF higher. Billboard does not. It is a very bad trend though to be seeing so many Coyotes with too much clothing cover, particularly I cannot see how good are Coyote girl tits. Some Coyotes have a huge bump under a very solid bra that hides zero tits. I prefer girls to be dressed maximum in bikini but no top on. The Topless Twisters girls really looked superb (80% of them).

I prefer to see more nudity. If twisters girls were all naked, I would be in heaven. Then again if they were prepared to go naked, they probably would be working in Crazy House, where they could make a killing, with multiple STs per night. They probably think they are too good to be in a more raunchy place like CH.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932455]
But if the bar is willing to monitor this and actually give a shit about it enough to grant to girls who never or rarely pull a "Yes in the bar / No in the room" trick a status or designation that makes them more desirable to customers because it is implied that they will provide a more certain happy outcome for their customers with no tricks, I will happily pay a reasonable upcharge for that kind of management involvement even if the bar gets all of it and the girl only gets what you agree to pay her separately.[/QUOTE]The mamasans are pretty useless IMHO, and if get involved largely just cause problems. They are there to help (or hinder) negotiations when girl and customer cannot speak the same language, naturally.

Many bargirls go with me without specifying a price. My Billboard girl for example. Masasans would stuff that up, quick and lively.

I like to cultivate a smart and helpful waitress in bars that can give me the thumbs up or thumbs down about a girl, based on whether customers are generally happy with the girl or whether the girl is reliable. The waitress gets her rewards. In Crazy House this was little S1. She seemed miles smarter than most of the other waitresses. She had experience and efficiency in working Corner Bar with Live music previously and the boss wanted her to change to CH, so she was given the number 1 badge for Service staff S1. Some waitresses were really annoying, error prone, and just dumb. Quite a few service staff are LBs, so I don't like to get too cuddly with those. Also Noi number 83, would give me her opinions on other girls. She used to be a waitress too.

Warning for Billboard (I have mentioned before), the big fat mamasan at Billboard is not to be trusted. She stole 300 Baht change from my barfine at CH closing time one day, by simply disappearing. The bar was closed but she was no where to be found. She got fired from CH and Mercury bars in succession. I completely ignore her. I tell my girl to use a different mamasan. It can be worthwhile to have exact money for a BF to avoid waiting a very long time for change by bad mamasans. I know the tactic is their hope you will forget the change and leave.

Since This Is Thailand, if you aren't pleased with the set of directions or information you get from the first person you ask because you assume they would be "in the know", just ask another person you assume would be "in the know" and you are sure to get a different response. BTW, that also goes for all of us on these forums and the guys you meet in the bars, restaurants and on the prowl and is not confined to native born Thai people. It really is the whole darn country and environment, not just the people who were born here. Or you can go for three different responses and ask a third. LOL. That is exactly what I did on a second recent visit to Twister Bar last night between 10 pm and Midnight.

I was with one of my regular, non pro girlfriends last night, Tuesday night, and, after an hour funeral service for a departed friend, we decided it would be a good followup to cruise around Nana Plaza and take in a few beers. Being with a date already, I thought it would be interesting to give Twister Bar a second look as merely a drinker, not a Ladydrink buyer or barfiner. We sat in the booths on the left side of the bar as you walk through the curtains. A few things I immediately noticed was the lineup was not as good in the looks department as it was over the weekend, there appeared to be about 20-25% of the girls on the stage (of two stages in the bar) on our side, the left side, wearing pantyhose and the 3-4 girls who went topless were all on the right side stage, quite a distance from where we sat on the left so I could not really get a handle on how many of those girls, if any, were wearing pantyhose. That was the way it remained for the next two hours, through a few dancer change ups on both sides; the pantyhose wearing girls seemed mostly to dance on the left side stage while the few topless girls per dance shift were on the right side stage.

The girls wearing pantyhose were easily among the youngest and peachiest looking in the bar. Not necessarily the best bodies. There were a couple of other girls, not wearing pantyhose, walking around who had better bodies, imo. But the pantyhose girls were clearly the more Sweet Young Thing dancers on the stage.

I was with a date so waited until she went to the toilet to ask someone again about the pantyhose girls re barfines. I didn't see the same mamasan I'd asked over the weekend, the one who said of the pantyhose wearing girls, "oh, dance only and get Ladydrink, no barfine. " I wanted to ask the papasan with the flashlight pointer sporting a ponytail and wearing a Minnie Mouse-style polka-dot headband with a cute little bow on it, but he was nowhere to be found when my date left me alone to go to the toilet. So I asked our waitress who was standing close-by. "See the girls wearing pantyhose?" Gesturing to the girls and miming a stretch pull on imaginary pantyhose near her leg. "Do they go barfine?" I only got a shrug. This waitress didn't know. So she quickly went to another waitress and brought her over to see if she knew. "Yes," she said, "all the girls go barfine, 1000 baht. Then 3,000 baht to the girl for ST. "

So now I had three different answers to this question from three people who you might think would be "in the know" about it; one No, one I Don't Know, and one Yes. Then I asked the even more important question; "After you pay the barfine (1000 baht for all the dancers in the bar according to these two waitresses), do those girls wearing pantyhose have sex with the customer or just go out with him?" I got two shrugs to that question. Not reliable and inconclusive, I know. I would have asked one of the pantyhose girls directly but this night I was with another lady so that was not in the cards.

Here are some other things I observed last night. As Sweet Young Thing types as the pantyhose wearing girls were, the most in that regard of any in the bar IMO, only 1 out of about 10 altogether was pulled down from the stage to have a Ladydrink and I saw none of them milling around between dance sets approaching customers. She was asked to come down by the apparent "ringleader" of a group of Japanese guys who came in about 11 pm and sat exactly ringside to the left side stage across from where I was sitting. He engaged in a bit of conversation with the Minnie Mouse bow headband fellow before choosing who he apparently thought was the right girl for the, well, youngest and cutest of the Japanese guys in his group. She sat next to that particular Japanese customer, seemed to be having a good time teasing him and rubbing her butt in his lap, but it went nowhere. After about 15 minutes, the girl went back onstage and resumed dancing. It seemed to me no deal was struck even though they were chatting it up throughout the sit.

At Midnight, just as my date and I were about to leave, there were several girls missing from the stage lineups, but virtually all of the pantyhose wearing girls were still there, had not been barfined by anyone during the 10 pm-Midnight time frame. And I saw only 1 of them even sitting with a customer, having been brought down to do so by someone other than that customer but by the ringleader of that group who seemed intent on making a match for a few of them this night. No take-away matches were made after they'd spent an hour sitting ringside on the pantyhose girl side of the stages and they left just before my date and I did.

I believe those pantyhose do indicate something more than a fashion statement or a comfort issue. Are they as much of a "no go" indicator in Nana Plaza bars as they are in Patpong and Soi Cowboy? I hope not. Before we left Nana Plaza, we stopped into Suckers Bar and downstairs Mandarin on the second floor. None of the girls in either bar were wearing pantyhose. I guess I will have to test the waters myself or at least get it more directly from one or more of those girls at Twister Bar in order to really know. Problem is, I wasn't all that visually impressed or inspired by the entire lineup on this night, including the SYT pantyhose wearing girls. I would need to take a look through the curtain next time before I commit to entering and buying a drink in order to find out.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932516]The mamasans are pretty useless IMHO, and if get involved largely just cause problems. They are there to help (or hinder) negotiations when girl and customer cannot speak the same language, naturally.[/QUOTE]I agree. In my experiences with the "Special" (Coyote?) girls in upstairs Mandarin, I didn't get the mamasans involved or allow them to get involved. One of them in particular tries very hard to convince me to buy her a Ladydrink after I have closed the deal with the girl and handed her the barfine. I did buy her a Ladydrink once a long time ago but have merely smiled and indicated "no" ever since. Hasn't changed the level of satisfying service I get from the girls I take one bit. I was talking about something that is done or screened out behind the scenes in order to decide which of their girls lands on the "Special" girl list with a 1,500 baht barfine. I don't think it is all about youth and looks. Some of the non "Special" girls whose barfine is the regular 700 baht rate are as young and better looking than a few of the "Special" girls.

However, unlike your experience, I have not found the waitresses to be worth a damn either. No one knows what really goes on after the bedroom door closes except the players directly involved. I wouldn't even trust a waitress or mamasan to give reliable intel on how many repeat customers a particular girl gets or whether she gets any repeats customers at all.

For the first time in I don't know how long. A friend is in town and he was on the hunt so I decided to meet him there. The night certainly cemented in my head the reasons I don't frequent GoGo.

Billboard was the place, and while there were some decent bodies to be seen, there were only one or two faces that I found the least bit attractive. The others being victims of bad plastic surgery or were a bit too hard Isaan for my liking. But again, some nice bodies to glance at.

First issue, the music. Awful dance music. Just can't tolerate it. Back in the day GoGos played some top 40, rock, hip hop, and it was much better. The inane dance music is a real irritant. Second issue, you have to listen to, "I want go with you. " "I want toilet. " "You pay bar. " Etc. Heard that from the gal siting on the lap of an Asian fellow next to us. I can understand why less frequent visitors, first timers, et al enjoy this. But for me it is a complete pecker wilting experience to have to sit with and attempt to interact with someone who has as little to offer conversation wise as these gals do. Sure, there are exceptions, but yesh, 2 min of that and my mind feels like it is going to melt. Third, the cost of taking them out and rolling the dice on performance. Just can't see paying over 100 USD for these gals when all is said and done. Would gladly pay a bit more than I pay in an oily if the performance was the same, but I am certain it would not be. I must add that Leos were only 140 which is expensive but not completely awful. That was the one surprise.

Really just don't like the atmosphere to tell you the truth. If I have to GoGO give me a small non-glitzy bar like Cactus in Cowboy where the girls are naked and there is raunch to be found.

So in short, I am glad there are dudes out there who enjoy this. More power to you. I am not one of you.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932812]
First issue, the music. Awful dance music. Just can't tolerate it. Back in the day GoGos played some top 40, rock, hip hop, and it was much better. The inane dance music is a real irritant. Second issue, you have to listen to, "I want go with you. " "I want toilet. " "You pay bar. " Etc. Heard that from the gal siting on the lap of an Asian fellow next to us. I can understand why less frequent visitors, first timers, et al enjoy this. But for me it is a complete pecker wilting experience to have to sit with and attempt to interact with someone who has as little to offer conversation wise as these gals do. [/QUOTE]Well I agree that most bars have DJs making bad selection of music. Mercury bar has two DJs. The young one working the earlier hours, picks horrible dance noise type of disco "music". That later one actually picks some fun songs both Farang and a few Thai ones. A gogo should not be a disco. Music should be more enjoyable to the patrons, not the DJ. Should play songs almost fully, and not try to blend them, every 30 seconds.

The "music" is too loud which can wreck chances of conversation. Conversation is a bit over rated. I don't go in a bar for an intellectual conversation. LOL I am assisted to be able to discuss plenty of topics due to speaking Thai, but one girl seemed to not speak with BB at all, maybe she spoke only Thai (or very shy). When I can't hear girls over the DJ's stuff, girls tend to speak extra loud direct in my ear, which only makes things worse. Not many understand, that the correct technique is to speak slowly and very clearly and distinctly to overcome the noise. Helps with hearing and lip reading. Girls that are drunk become much harder to understand, too fast and slurred speech.

You don't have to interact with girls at all. You can ignore them. Or you can just sit quietly without making conversation. No one is forcing you to try to come up with something to say. If I have nothing to say, I am quite relaxed to be just silent for a period. Nothing worse than girls that yack non stop in my opinion. Relatively quiet is okay By me. As soon as the girl gives me the impression she is putting on an act or not being her real self, I loose interest very quick. This was case last CrazyH visit that I called a new girl to me. It's not too unusual that chemistry doesn't work well. Better to find that out fast.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932810]
However, unlike your experience, I have not found the waitresses to be worth a damn either. No one knows what really goes on after the bedroom door closes except the players directly involved. I wouldn't even trust a waitress or mamasan to give reliable intel on how many repeat customers a particular girl gets or whether she gets any repeats customers at all.[/QUOTE]You have to find the right waitress. I find when we have a long term relationship, the waitress can have useful knowledge. 90%+ of waitresses are too dumb.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932808]
I was with one of my regular, non pro girlfriends last night, Tuesday night, and, after an hour funeral service for a departed friend, we decided it would be a good followup to cruise around Nana Plaza and take in a few beers. Being with a date already, I thought it would be interesting to give Twister Bar a second look as merely a drinker, not a Ladydrink buyer or barfiner. We sat in the booths on the left side of the bar as you walk through the curtains. A few things I immediately noticed was the lineup was not as good in the looks department as it was over the weekend, there appeared to be about 20-25% of the girls on the stage (of two stages in the bar) on our side, the left side, wearing pantyhose and the 3-4 girls who went topless were all on the right side stage, quite a distance from where we sat on the left so I could not really get a handle on how many of those girls, if any, were wearing pantyhose. That was the way it remained for the next two hours, through a few dancer change ups on both sides; the pantyhose wearing girls seemed mostly to dance on the left side stage while the few topless girls per dance shift were on the right side stage.
[/QUOTE]I was located to the right of the right hand stage. I could not see the girls on left hand stage too well at all. Perhaps as you say most girls wearing pantyhose are on the left stage.

Agree many waitresses don't know much. Their info is unreliable. Long term experienced waitresses are better. Obviously you have to ask specific girls if they fuck. Not easy to get a conclusive view from anyone else.

Agreed that line ups can vary a lot. Strangely Crazy House has worse line up on Friday and Saturday for my taste than a more quiet day. Seems that some of the top looks girls take Friday and Saturday off on the basis there maybe a lot more low class raunchy girls working.

At Suzi Wong I had a long term acquaintance with waitress Yao (also Aor). Yao could not be fucked as she was married to the bar DJ (that worked in Sheba). She would definitely tell me secretly which girls were good or bad for BF. She would warn me not to choose certain girls. I did get good tips.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932431]Ok guys, back to some good reporting instead if this crap about coyotes, it's getting really old. For the guys who want to dabble in the Thai mongering scene, I have been seeing some ladies they refer to as sideline girls from these websites. This basically means ladies who moonlight as escorts to pay tuition or support babies. However, its mostly a lot of students. These ladies place ads on the internet looking for customers, similar to Craigs List but more real and less bull shit. Most of the ads include photos, Mobile numbers, and Line IDs. Just add the ladies Line ID or give her a call. Few can speak English so try and send Thai using google to translate. Some real lookers, many between 18-25.

I asked permission beforehand from Jackson to post these links since they are kind of commercial. Here goes boys. ENJOY.

[URL]https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43[/URL]

[URL]https://69sideline.com[/URL]

[URL]http://sidelinexxx.com/index.php?board=2.0[/URL]

[URL]http://sidelinegroup.net[/URL]

[URL]https://www.24sidelineth.com/forum-45-1.html[/URL]

[URL]http://sexysideline.com/index.php?board=1.0[/URL]


Similar to Sephan Kwai, some Thai skills are recommended. I have only be refused twice and I was told straight, no farang customers.[/QUOTE]There was some guy with a website called livingthai who used to talk about this ages ago. How does it actually work in practice though? You book a time and then turn up at her apartment? Seems a bit awkward with the neighbours and staff and everything.

[QUOTE=*****man;1932857]There was some guy with a website called livingthai who used to talk about this ages ago. How does it actually work in practice though? You book a time and then turn up at her apartment? Seems a bit awkward with the neighbours and staff and everything.[/QUOTE]It is clear to me from the Ads that most girls expect to meet you at a ST Hotel or your Hotel if near, and very few take you to their own room. Typical Room price is quoted as 300 Baht. So that won't be her room, in most cases. There was one exception girl who quoted Hotel, Your room, or her room. I was only slightly surprised. Thai girls have taken me to their private room before in the past, even to stay for several days.

Recognise that some girls are located in Lat Prao, or The Mall Tha Phra Bang Khae (Thonburi side), so you have to be prepared to go to their location sometimes. It won't always be convenient location. Some girls may be much closer hopefully or prepared to come to you if not too far. They don't want to trust customers too much though. Girls do have trouble with guys wasting their time, particularly young Thai men. Demand too much and they will lose interest very quick. They have too much shit to put up with like guys wanting CIM, or anal for example. These girls will not be pornstars. Almost all of them advertise DFK, but very few advertise CIM is allowed, nor BBFS, nor anal. Extra shots, pay extra.

What is not specified at all is how much time they are willing to give for a shot. My problem is I don't cum quick, even when girl has set a low price. I may have to pay for 2 hots just to keep them happy, since my duration for 1 shot maybe similar to two shot guys. I would like to keep girls happy, if I want to repeat of course.

I have found 2 or 3 girls pretty enough to maybe give a try, if it is worth the effort. I may to pay VIP membership to get to best girls, I don't know. Making contact with girls this way is a bit of effort for me. It takes time. It is a lot easier to just walk into a disco and pick out a hot girl and see if she is up for DFK and sex. That is what worked for me at Billboard. I only wanted ST so far. However these private girls can have quite good rates for all night sometimes.

So you have to weigh up how much effort you want to put in, how long you want a girl for, whether low price is important, whether figure and face is very important, whether conversation is important. On other hand, try everything and see what you like. I am yet to try Escort, but surely I must if can find the right natural pretty girl.

I can't see the location mentioned in many of those ads. I live out in the suburbs myself so it would be great if I could easily find a girl near me. I speak Thai at intermediate level but it seems you would need more than 'some Thai' to be able to follow a girl on the phone probably speaking very quickly telling you the name and address of a short time hotel in an area you've never been to before.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932867]

What is not specified at all is how much time they are willing to give for a shot. My problem is I don't cum quick, even when girl has set a low price. I may have to pay for 2 hots just to keep them happy, since my duration for 1 shot maybe similar to two shot guys. I would like to keep girls happy, if I want to repeat of course.

[/QUOTE]You should try to keep them happy whether or not you want to repeat. We don't want a bunch of girls thinking 'damn, I'm never fucking a farang again after that guy who took forever to finish'.

[QUOTE=*****man;1932875]You should try to keep them happy whether or not you want to repeat. We don't want a bunch of girls thinking 'damn, I'm never fucking a farang again after that guy who took forever to finish'.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I am actually a very fair guy. I pay girls according to their effort and how good they were. I don't rip them off in any way. Likewise I expect them to give me a fair deal too.

May have been the odd girl in my history where I cancelled the session before actually fucking them. When there was no kissing, no DATY, no touching etc. , no BJ. In this case I would have only paid them something token for using a few minutes of their time and seeing them naked. If I actually fuck them, I feel minimum payment for the fuck is required, no matter how bad they were.

We also don't want girls who think they get a their money for a quickie where the guy spritzes his first shot in less than 10 minutes. I think a lot of Thermae girls are getting to expect very quick session turnovers. This is not good. And BB complained one of his girls had so little stamina, she could hardly walk the short distance to the Hotel, without being worn out. 1 hour is my minimum time for a ST session. I prefer to go longer if possible but that is not all fucking time of course. I take at least 90 minutes in MPs.

[QUOTE=*****man;1932872]I can't see the location mentioned in many of those ads. I live out in the suburbs myself so it would be great if I could easily find a girl near me. I speak Thai at intermediate level but it seems you would need more than 'some Thai' to be able to follow a girl on the phone probably speaking very quickly telling you the name and address of a short time hotel in an area you've never been to before.[/QUOTE]Many girls will provide a LINE App ID. She can message the meeting place address. Some ads mention the location some do not. Might as well decide if you like the girl first. Very few pass that test for me. Then LINE to check where she is or where she is prepared to go. At least she should be able to do Address Location in English, hopefully. You really must have in writing the meeting place. Thais have habit of being terribly vague at times, and make assumptions.

BKKDog will have to comment on the reliability of the girls.

Here is example girl add:
[url]https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=128493&extra=page%3D1[/url]
Says she is voluptuous (not for me) and specifies no kiss on mouth. No CIM. No BBFS. Everything else O.K. LOL What else is there? (I am sure she did not even think of anal).
Accepts work at BTS Bang Na, Bearing, Theepharak, Phuchao Saming Phray, PhraPradaeng, etc. These are locations reasonably convenient to her (by motorcycle I guess). Not that far from me, only a few BTS stops, even I have never been to Phra Pradaeng.

Read another add where girl would only meet customer outside Seacon, Bang Kae, no exceptions (in Thonburi). That is far too far for me, unless she was super stunning.

I have added some girls I like the look of (slim to skinny) to my LINE contacts. I can see I might have to go to Lat Prao area.

Thanks for taking the plunge Szygisz. I will read about your progress with this project with great interest.

A big problem with these internet hookups is that very often girls look so much worse than in fotos. I had a lot of trouble with this with girls I met on Badoo and Thai Friendly. I even had to ditch a few of them.

With today's technology girls easily beautify their pics with just a few swipes of the finger.

Something to keep in mind.

Goatscrot,

You talk about the very Isaan look that is so boring for you.

How about this girl pictured from the MyPrincess web site. I hate the look of most girls on My Princess but this girl pictured, has a very Thai look about her, not even slightly Westernised. She looks fine for my taste. I could easily take her, indeed I might try. Note the unmodified nose (hardly any nose bridge and upturned). Bigger than average lips I like. Slim but curvy. Likely small tits.

If you don't like this strongly Thai look, where is the problem? I the skin too dark? Do you like high nose bridge or hooked noses? Is the jaw O.K.?

I really hope this is the real girl look.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932883]Many girls will provide a LINE App ID. She can message the meeting place address. Some ads mention the location some do not. Might as well decide if you like the girl first. Very few pass that test for me. Then LINE to check where she is or where she is prepared to go. At least she should be able to do Address Location in English, hopefully. You really must have in writing the meeting place. Thais have habit of being terribly vague at times, and make assumptions.
[/QUOTE]What's the point in finding out you like her only to find you'd have to spend hours to get there? None of those girls are worth that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932883]
I have added some girls I like the look of (slim to skinny) to my LINE contacts. I can see I might have to go to Lat Prao area.[/QUOTE]I bet they're Ramkhamhaeng University girls. It's an open university that has about half a million students.

[QUOTE=*****man;1932908]What's the point in finding out you like her only to find you'd have to spend hours to get there? None of those girls are worth that.
[/QUOTE]I won't bother if she is not worth it. Sure I won't go to Thonburi. I have found some pretty ones. I am not going to specify them yet. I don't want the competition.

A lot of girls on these sites are wearing student outfit, so Uni students is quite possible. They may have to fund their studies, and rent, etc.

What's the point to finding a girl in your area, that is completely non doable to your specs? I look for something special for a good price. Maybe you look for any old fuck will do. There are some massage shops not too far from me and Udom Suk bars if I want really close. I prefer not to monger too close to home. I already bump into P4 P girls I have fucked before at On Nut BTS. That is close enough thankyou.

Sometime you can bump into a P4 P girl, and then wrack your brains, where the hell did I meet her? Did I fuck her? Etc.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1932903]Thanks for taking the plunge Szygisz. I will read about your progress with this project with great interest.

A big problem with these internet hookups is that very often girls look so much worse than in fotos. I had a lot of trouble with this with girls I met on Badoo and Thai Friendly. I even had to ditch a few of them.

With today's technology girls easily beautify their pics with just a few swipes of the finger.

Something to keep in mind.[/QUOTE]Once you have a LINE Hookup, you can do a short video call to make sure she looks good enough I suppose. Will help convince her I am sincere as well if she looks good. I haven't yet worked out when these girls will become a priority to try. I want to try Twisters again first, also Black Pagoda, maybe even visit Pattaya a few days. The hottest looking skinny girl I found, indicates on her LINE profile she is not available currently. Could be away on holiday.

Also Donut from Crazy House will take priority any time she might return from her studies. She is just perfect for me, body face and GFE, excepting teeth braces and consequential BBBJ just average. Taking a Thermae girl is not very high priority right now nor the freelancers in Nana Carpark (who are mostly a bit ordinary for the performance - one good enough to repeat).

There are so many options. I will repeat regulars if no stunner available to really tempt me.

Most of them seem to be in the Bang Na area. There's got to be some kind of organisation going on there. I wonder if they really are students or if the whole thing is organised by pimps with girls brought down from the north. They have a generic look about them.

[QUOTE=*****man;1932915]Most of them seem to be in the Bang Na area. There's got to be some kind of organisation going on there. I wonder if they really are students or if the whole thing is organised by pimps with girls brought down from the north. They have a generic look about them.[/QUOTE]I found ads from lots of different areas, with Lat Prao dominating just a little. No generic look other than a few too many had nose jobs of course. Some fatter or older girls going cheap. Some very young looking (even 18) usually cost more.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932907]Goatscrot,

You talk about the very Isaan look that is so boring for you.

How about this girl pictured from the MyPrincess web site. I hate the look of most girls on My Princess but this girl pictured, has a very Thai look about her, not even slightly Westernised. She looks fine for my taste. I could easily take her, indeed I might try. Note the unmodified nose (hardly any nose bridge and upturned). Bigger than average lips I like. Slim but curvy. Likely small tits.

If you don't like this strongly Thai look, where is the problem? I the skin too dark? Do you like high nose bridge or hooked noses? Is the jaw O.K.?

I really hope this is the real girl look.[/QUOTE]I guess the pics could fool me and she could be a lot more chunky than what I expect at 53 Kg. 46 Kg. For 163 cm might be more my type.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932359]Posts #36490 and #36497? Hmm. But the most recent post prior to this one is #35635. Are you talking about another thread or did I miss something?[/QUOTE]Hey,

There are 2 post by Syzy that I was commenting on the BKK forum and thought he had great advice on dealing w / the BKK BGs. I wanted to express my appreciation. In general the last few pages have been very good intel and method of operation on BKK.

I'm in Makati now and just starting to recover from the long long flight. I hit the ground running last night and checked the Burgos scene and it was not close to the quality in BKK. I suspect that the scene fluctuates and should be better tonight. I went out at 1:30 in the morning and not much left at Kojax / Plan be which are Burgos premiere bars. I hope things improve. I wish the PI had the the quality Thailand has.

Cheers.

Guys, it is not about reliability, area, good pics bad pics, and restrictions. It is about your Thai language skills, trust from the lady, your negotiation skills, and generosity. I have been with 9 or 10 girls from these sites. I have never translated a word of Thai from those long ads and the desriptions. I simply make contact on Line or mobile phone and talk.

It's simple guys. I have introduced another avenue other than Sephan Kwai to indulge in the Thai mongering scene. Believe it or not, the girls are quite different than the ones we meet in our normal haunts on Suk. They live in normal Thai neighborhoods like Lat Phrao, Bangna, Near the airport and so on. Some will never have been with a foreigner and rarely even seen one as well. It is not for everyone but I happen to love the white skinned beauties with nicely done fake bolt ONS, beautiful rear ends, and that stuck up Thai High So atitude. I would like to Plan a trip over to Kush or the Pimp for that very reason.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932917]I found ads from lots of different areas, with Lat Prao dominating just a little. No generic look other than a few too many had nose jobs of course. Some fatter or older girls going cheap. Some very young looking (even 18) usually cost more.[/QUOTE]I was looking at the first link and didn't find any Lad Phrao. Which link is that?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932907]Goatscrot,

You talk about the very Isaan look that is so boring for you.

How about this girl pictured from the MyPrincess web site. I hate the look of most girls on My Princess but this girl pictured, has a very Thai look about her, not even slightly Westernised. She looks fine for my taste. I could easily take her, indeed I might try. Note the unmodified nose (hardly any nose bridge and upturned). Bigger than average lips I like. Slim but curvy. Likely small tits.

If you don't like this strongly Thai look, where is the problem? I the skin too dark? Do you like high nose bridge or hooked noses? Is the jaw O.K.?

I really hope this is the real girl look.[/QUOTE]Nah, that just does not do it for me. Really not into that type of face. In fact, she would be my last choice on the page. Fanta and Jina would be one and two.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932462]You do have the web page translations these days, but Google Translate does not do as good a job of translating Thai to English as it would do for say German, as an example.

Here is a sample of Google Translate and my translate in brackets:

Name: piano ka (Name Piano - also uses Aor elsewhere).
Female McCoy (Gender: real Woman).
What to do (Service): Yes (Yes?) Ormoc fresh (BBBJ) Mongolian sister (DATY) up to (Cowgirl) hold milk (grab tits allowed) milk (suck tits) kisses exchanged tongue (DFK) bath water (shower together)
Where to Get the Job: (district), Bangkok (Bangkok).
Get a job: (workplace) Hotels (Hotel).
Expenses (The fees).
Water early 4000 baht (First shot 4K).
Water: Pay an extra 2000 baht (2nd shot 2k).
Room: 460 baht (room fee).

You can see that sometimes the Google Translate can be a little Baffling. Like "Ormoc Fresh" should be "Smoke Fresh", and "Mongolian Sister" should be "Lick the Younger Sister". How it managed Mongolian, I don't know.

Female McCoy means the Real McCoy LOL. Sometimes we see เพศ: สาวสองยังไม่ผ่า which means Gender: girl 2nd (type) not yet surgically removed (dick).
Ladyboys in Thailand are known as girls of the 2nd type.

Do you find some other translator online does better than Google?[/QUOTE]Google translate is just very frustrating when the girls pull their phones out to use it (when they want to tell me something that is outside of my very meager thai). Google isn't a translation company, but a search company. They are using some statistical matching from their web-page search scrapings to pair words from different languages. All I can try to tell them (in my meager thai) is that it the app they are using (they usually don't even know what google translate is, so the app has some other name or just no name for them, I have to just point to ii) doesn't work very good, I don't understand that. But they don't understand how that could be, as they percieve the app as a near perfect translation device, while presenting me with a "translation" that is talking about "brother's cherry tempest son of virtue".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932812]For the first time in I don't know how long. A friend is in town and he was on the hunt so I decided to meet him there. The night certainly cemented in my head the reasons I don't frequent GoGo.

Billboard was the place, and while there were some decent bodies to be seen, there were only one or two faces that I found the least bit attractive. The others being victims of bad plastic surgery or were a bit too hard Isaan for my liking. But again, some nice bodies to glance at.

First issue, the music. Awful dance music. Just can't tolerate it. Back in the day GoGos played some top 40, rock, hip hop, and it was much better. The inane dance music is a real irritant. Second issue, you have to listen to, "I want go with you. " "I want toilet. " "You pay bar. " Etc. Heard that from the gal siting on the lap of an Asian fellow next to us. I can understand why less frequent visitors, first timers, et al enjoy this. But for me it is a complete pecker wilting experience to have to sit with and attempt to interact with someone who has as little to offer conversation wise as these gals do. Sure, there are exceptions, but yesh, 2 min of that and my mind feels like it is going to melt. Third, the cost of taking them out and rolling the dice on performance. Just can't see paying over 100 USD for these gals when all is said and done. Would gladly pay a bit more than I pay in an oily if the performance was the same, but I am certain it would not be. I must add that Leos were only 140 which is expensive but not completely awful. That was the one surprise.

Really just don't like the atmosphere to tell you the truth. If I have to GoGO give me a small non-glitzy bar like Cactus in Cowboy where the girls are naked and there is raunch to be found.

So in short, I am glad there are dudes out there who enjoy this. More power to you. I am not one of you.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report, I agree with the sentiment of it, sadly. I do not go to nana much but I did go a few months ago and just really lucked out on a provider. I feel that was not the norm as she is only a part time gogo worker. I think the ones who are there like it's a job will treat it like a job: what is the least work I can do for the most money? Whereas the part-timer is looking for more of a gik like arrangement. I think the best thing to do is avoid the place though. Avoid the "bar / gogo" industry and focus on the part-timer freelancer types. Some of them work in gogo's sometimes, but probably better off scouting the more legit places like discos.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1933002]Google translate is just very frustrating when the girls pull their phones out to use it (when they want to tell me something that is outside of my very meager thai). Google isn't a translation company, but a search company. They are using some statistical matching from their web-page search scrapings to pair words from different languages. All I can try to tell them (in my meager thai) is that it the app they are using (they usually don't even know what google translate is, so the app has some other name or just no name for them, I have to just point to ii) doesn't work very good, I don't understand that. But they don't understand how that could be, as they percieve the app as a near perfect translation device, while presenting me with a "translation" that is talking about "brother's cherry tempest son of virtue".[/QUOTE]I started coming to Thailand 25 years ago. No web pages, no auto translate, no mobile phones, no ISG. I spent significant time with Thai people who had even less English than I had Thai. So I was sort of forced to keep pushing my Thai abilities higher. One girl helped a lot because she had the ability to speak Thai very clearly and slowly. This meant I could use dictionaries to look up words. Some were so basic. I had many dictionaries (expensive). You really had to find the right ones that were oriented towards Farangs. To go from English to Thai was the biggest problem. Most English to Thai Dictionaries were specifically for Thais, so would explain English words with Thai text sentences, not handling English common phrases and how to put them into a Thai Phrase. Eventually found a special English to Thai word and phrase book for Farangs with Romanised Thai (not just Thai script). Mc Robertsons something. Not a full Dictionary but had most common things that you need. In a later it year was re-edited by the Goldings who taught Thai language in Australia I believe. I spent a lot of time in DK Book store and Asia Books checking out which dictionaries to buy, long ago.

Some stupid dictionaries had two columns: English Word and Thai word, however single words have several different meanings, so it just doesn't work. The English word "Can" has several meanings, and each requires a different Thai word. Same in reverse. Thai words can have several meanings.

Google translate can misunderstand the context badly and pick the wrong meanings. In some cases it does not even recognise certain Thai words, especially slang and teenage special language, and thinks they are English words spelt with Thai script. I don't know where it gets its reference base of Thai and English text for same thing that is a good translation.

So I know Moke (in Thai script) means BJ, but Google translate would not know that. There are several alternatives for BJ.

In modern day, computer and phone App Thai-English English-Thai Talking dictionary is a good one for learners. Plus use some other web sites, e.g. Thai-Language.com

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1933011]Thank you for the report, I agree with the sentiment of it, sadly. I do not go to nana much but I did go a few months ago and just really lucked out on a provider. I feel that was not the norm as she is only a part time gogo worker. I think the ones who are there like it's a job will treat it like a job: what is the least work I can do for the most money? Whereas the part-timer is looking for more of a gik like arrangement. I think the best thing to do is avoid the place though. Avoid the "bar / gogo" industry and focus on the part-timer freelancer types. Some of them work in gogo's sometimes, but probably better off scouting the more legit places like discos.[/QUOTE]Why do you say "lucked out"? Perhaps you really mean "good luck"? Part timers are the best. Even girls who worked there for years but hardly show up for work can be great, or especially when they just returned from holidays or studies or even just before the period comes. Its possible to find horny girls, if you get lucky. LOL.

I got very lucky with my selected Billboard girl. I think she tried Bangkok Bunnies or similar downstairs for a short while then moved to Billboard. Only a few months. Not really jaded as yet for purposes of take out. I don't know how many days a week she works.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932984]Nah, that just does not do it for me. Really not into that type of face. In fact, she would be my last choice on the page. Fanta and Jina would be one and two.[/QUOTE]I was really hoping you would explain why you don't go for her. I certainly wasn't expecting you to like her, but I just don't understand why. You know, I like specifics, not just a vague, "the girl doesn't appeal".

What type of face is it? Face shape is oval fine. Jaw not too pointy. Where does the problem lie, or maybe you guys don't really understand the detail of your own taste at all?

Don't be shy. You can say her skin colour is no good, if you like. Won't worry me. You can say you hate a natural nose with no bridge. You can say the eyes are too slanty.

I am willing to say I don't go for many Chinese girls with eyes too much like slits. Big eyes works if not over exaggerated.

I like Jina as well, but only in some pics (1, 5, and 6). The glasses pic looks good. Chin a bit pointy and cheeks I little strange is some pics. Fanta, not so sure. Her eyes are shopped enlarged in some pics that looks a bit strange. In some shots she looks a bit too Western for me. Its a fairly good nose job but I still don't like it. It has resulted in a slightly hook nose. Rather average look. I prefer a much more exotic strongly Thai look.

Have a look at pic 2 of Folia. LOL Could that be her natural look before she had surgeries. I cannot recognise as same girls as in other Folia pictures. However The after surgery look is the witch like look. Pic 2 is easily the most appealing for me, even if nose is a little bulbous. Bulbous nose is a very common problem for Thais. Trouble is mostly after they get a nose job, the bulb may go, but worse problems. Some Isaan girls are fortunate to have no bulb or squashed flat nose, and they don't need any correction, in my opinion.

Hard to pic my last choice fo girl with the heavy shopping, Gucci, Saya, and Star probably fight it out. Some of the pics make me shudder, they look so much like a LB or alien. MyPrincess really specialises in very average looking heavily shopped surgery girls for my taste.

Does My pictured girl Lada need a nose job? I don't believe so. I like it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1933023]I was really hoping you would explain why you don't go for her. I certainly wasn't expecting you to like her, but I just don't understand why. You know, I like specifics, not just a vague, "the girl doesn't appeal".

What type of face is it? Face shape is oval fine. Jaw not too pointy. Where does the problem lie, or maybe you guys don't really understand the detail of your own taste at all?

Don't be shy. You can say her skin colour is no good, if you like. Won't worry me. You can say you hate a natural nose with no bridge. You can say the eyes are too slanty.

I am willing to say I don't go for many Chinese girls with eyes too much like slits. Big eyes works if not over exaggerated.

I like Jina as well, but only in some pics (1, 5, and 6). The glasses pic looks good. Chin a bit pointy and cheeks I little strange is some pics. Fanta, not so sure. Her eyes are shopped enlarged in some pics that looks a bit strange. In some shots she looks a bit too Western for me. Its a fairly good nose job but I still don't like it. It has resulted in a slightly hook nose. Rather average look. I prefer a much more exotic strongly Thai look.

Have a look at pic 2 of Folia. LOL Could that be her natural look before she had surgeries. I cannot recognise as same girls as in other Folia pictures. However The after surgery look is the witch like look. Pic 2 is easily the most appealing for me, even if nose is a little bulbous. Bulbous nose is a very common problem for Thais. Trouble is mostly after they get a nose job, the bulb may go, but worse problems. Some Isaan girls are fortunate to have no bulb or squashed flat nose, and they don't need any correction, in my opinion.

Hard to pic my last choice fo girl with the heavy shopping, Gucci, Saya, and Star probably fight it out. Some of the pics make me shudder, they look so much like a LB or alien. MyPrincess really specialises in very average looking heavily shopped surgery girls for my taste.

Does My pictured girl Lada need a nose job? I don't believe so. I like it.[/QUOTE]Yes, don't like the flat nose, don't like the shape of the face, looks "simian" to me for lack of a better term. Lips are a bit too big. Large mouth. Teeth look like the grill of a '57 Buick. I like the Luk Krung look. When it comes to SE Asia I think Viet gals are far prettier than Thais. And to me there is nothing hotter than a post-surgery Korean gal who has had good work done.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932812]For the first time in I don't know how long. A friend is in town and he was on the hunt so I decided to meet him there. The night certainly cemented in my head the reasons I don't frequent GoGo.

Billboard was the place, and while there were some decent bodies to be seen, there were only one or two faces that I found the least bit attractive. The others being victims of bad plastic surgery or were a bit too hard Isaan for my liking. But again, some nice bodies to glance at.

First issue, the music. Awful dance music. Just can't tolerate it. Back in the day GoGos played some top 40, rock, hip hop, and it was much better. The inane dance music is a real irritant. Second issue, you have to listen to, "I want go with you. " "I want toilet. " "You pay bar. " Etc. Heard that from the gal siting on the lap of an Asian fellow next to us. I can understand why less frequent visitors, first timers, et al enjoy this. But for me it is a complete pecker wilting experience to have to sit with and attempt to interact with someone who has as little to offer conversation wise as these gals do. Sure, there are exceptions, but yesh, 2 min of that and my mind feels like it is going to melt. Third, the cost of taking them out and rolling the dice on performance. Just can't see paying over 100 USD for these gals when all is said and done. Would gladly pay a bit more than I pay in an oily if the performance was the same, but I am certain it would not be. I must add that Leos were only 140 which is expensive but not completely awful. That was the one surprise.

Really just don't like the atmosphere to tell you the truth. If I have to GoGO give me a small non-glitzy bar like Cactus in Cowboy where the girls are naked and there is raunch to be found.

So in short, I am glad there are dudes out there who enjoy this. More power to you. I am not one of you.[/QUOTE]I agree with you for the most part but don't you miss the thrill of the hunt sometimes? I always like to mixx it up. For example today I went to Tulip and had a no holds barred PSE session with Dao. Next week, I will go on a 10 K date with a sideline girl, and next weekend, I will party in Nana. Mixx it up a little.

Arrived after 9 PM. Some girls still arriving. Line up started weaker than previous visit but improved rapidly as girls returned to stage from customers, or doing makeup or whatever.

Some girls on left stage had pantyhose, or whatever covering legs. Not many. Did not see any on right stage, maybe 1. Standard of girls on right stage was generally better for my taste. Less surgeries, relatively.

I spotted 3 or 4 girls I could easily like. Was assisted by a new waitress who used to work Hot Lips in the past or Candyland 2. In my belief pantyhose has no bearing on whether girls can be BFed. It just means their legs have marks they wish to hide. Simple as that. Probably all girls can be barfined. It is just that some girls are not available for sex. I obviously do not know the exact numbers.

I had no trouble finding a girl that was keen to go with me for ST. Bpoo Bpeh was her name. Face vaguely like Barbara Bach exotic look, more popular with Farangs than Japanese, but smaller nose and small tits. While some girls are reported to set high prices on themselves, other girls can be had for 2500. May be possible to get lower. Depends on how in demand the girl is and what she decide the one that would make me most happy.

My girl was curvy with very small waist. She was cute enough and willing to kiss so took her for short time. She was very responsive and very passionate. Full on DFK for extended duration. She seemed to like it and DATY. She seemed to like the fuck too. In cowgirl position she was banging down quite forcefully. Significantly more than most girls do. She kept doing that till her legs were tired. I finished in very nice doggy and prone fuck. Super GFE. Enjoyed her immensely and will repeat. Weakness was her mouth was too small to do BBBJ very deep. No matter. Took her eat afterwards, steamed mussels and Prawn fried rice. Says she has very low English. 25 YO very petite, but very good waist to thigh ratio. I got lucky again. I was more than happy with how she turned out.

Billboard has some pretty good girls especially in the tall floor group. However I would say Twisters is better overall on average for looks and a few extra stunners. Billboard has poor lighting (black lights) so you don't see the faces so clearly. Billboard has some very nice girls and quite a few rather ordinary including somewhat fatties. Twisters has no fatties. Twisters line up is definitely better for looks than Crazy House at the moment. Girl Tequilas are called Rose Tequilas or Strawberry Tequilas and milky looking. Obviously this is not real tequila.

Twisters had plenty of customers. After just 4 months or so of operation, it is already much busier than Mandarin based on my last visit there. Quite a few guys were getting lap dances for the price of lady drink. More Japanese customers than Farangs. Same as for Crazy House.

I did not have any problems with Twisters today, other than 1 K BF is obviously a bit high. It is not keeping the customers away though. Billboard is also doing okay For customers but not all the seats taken after midnight.

Will be interesting to see if Natty Bumpo likes this bar or Billboard better. Both have some excellent standard girls.

Great follow up report Syzygies. I am glad to hear Twisters is up and running with some quality girls to be had. I was very skeptical of those "sky is falling" posts saying the girls did not barfine. The only Go Go's in Thailand that I know of where the girls do not barfine are the "Arab's' bars where for some reason or other, the management is apparently not interested in making a profit. I just wish you would rethink your policy of naming your girls. BB sounds like a real nice girl. You found her easy enough. I am 100% confident I will be able to find a girl to my liking too if one is present when I check the place out and I will not be explicitly looking for your girl, but rather I will be looking for my own girl that I find attractive and can get along with for a variety of reasons. She might turn out to be one of your girls by coincidence because as you know, we do have a few girls in common, but I would never take a girl based on someone else's posts, even those of a close friend. YMMV is the key reason for that along with my desire to make my own fire. So I just don't see the reason for putting the spotlight on a nice girl like BB and possibly sending 50 to 150 guys you don't know and can't vouchsafe for her way. Its one of the reasons I no longer post pictures of my girls on the public forum although I am willing to share and compare notes with certain like minded punters, like yourself whom I can trust, in private. There are just too many shit mongers lurking out there on the internet.

Anyway, this was a really good and informative post. I am glad to hear a viable new Go Go has risen from the ashes of the former RB4 even though the barfine has creeped up to 1000. RB4 always had very good talent, but the vibe was a little too business oriented for my taste and so I always took my time auditioning a potential new RB4 girl, many times requiring 2 auditions before I was confidant enough in the girl to barfine from here. I do not like girls that run back to the bar immediately after fun time. I prefer one customer a night Go Go girls who are in no hurry.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1933127]I agree with you for the most part but don't you miss the thrill of the hunt sometimes? I always like to mixx it up. For example today I went to Tulip and had a no holds barred PSE session with Dao. Next week, I will go on a 10 K date with a sideline girl, and next weekend, I will party in Nana. Mixx it up a little.[/QUOTE]Actually now not really. I enjoyed the hunt when I first moved here because finding something I liked was like shooting fish in a barrel. There were just so many gals and so many options; each night was a struggle to decide. Truth be told for me that started to change about '07 and really declined after the flood in '11. Now when I go hunting most of the time I end up empty handed. So I find it more frustrating than fun. I really don't have the patience or the want to hunt on the net, however the sites you posted are interesting. I have a gal I have lived with for a decade so I don't date and don't even take gals contact information. Just not a line I am going to cross. BKK worked very well for me for years when Suk was flush with WGs. Street gals, Thermae before the Japanese invasion, Nana Disco, and Cowboy before the Arab. Hell, I was at Midnight bar three times a week before he bought it. Place was great. 100 baht a drink, 500 baht BF that included an ST room upstairs, and 1 k to the gal. Could have a fabulous evening for about 50 USD or a little more. The longer I am here the less and less interested I am in "bargirl" conversation and interaction. Oilies work pretty well for me, but the talent has certainly slipped. And, yes, I could spend 3 k, 4 k, 10 k on these gals, but to me they are just not worth it. Most are still sub-50 USD screws at best. Skill set, looks, eroticism, just really not there. I'm with Tooms on this one. I'd rather go out for an amazing meal and then head home and have a wank. Jaded? Yes, but hey the scene has changed and after hundreds and hundreds of gals, I know what I like and it takes a bit to impress me.

Natty,

Yes I doubt others will choose same girl as me at Twisters. There are plenty of Pretty options. Little point to name her. I have no clue if girls have a number. Did not notice.

Main point is you can get a girl just in same way as Billboard but you can see her better. Lighting is vastly superior to Billboard.

One day had a look in Cactus Soi Cowboy. Very few girls. At 9 pm they only had 3 dancing girls. Stage there was also very dimly lit. Dark walls too. Black lights. 2 girls looked vaguely OK very Isaan look all natural most likely. Was too dark to see their faces properly. Music was rock style songs not like most bars.

Last night chatted to a very tall girl in Billboard. She has worked just 2 weeks. Really nice ass. She knew about the bad mamasan already. Happy with her behaviour. Some other girl came and kept hassling me despite me ignoring her. I refuses to buy the hassler a drink. I don't need extra girls not called. I guess was rather drunk. We choose the girl. Not the reverse.

Looks like Tukata is no longer working there. I can meet her privately and save money. No BF and no drinks. I did not find out yet why she left Billboard.

[QUOTE=Socker;1932963]Hey,

There are 2 post by Syzy that I was commenting on the BKK forum and thought he had great advice on dealing w / the BKK BGs. I wanted to express my appreciation. In general the last few pages have been very good intel and method of operation on BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yes, sorry about the confusion. It appears the post #s (#36 XXX or whatever) update slower or later than the posts themselves. Exiting the site and re-entering was enough to put them in sync again.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1933282] Most are still sub-50 USD screws at best. Skill set, looks, eroticism, just really not there. I'm with Tooms on this one. [/QUOTE]Yes, Goatscrot, based on your posts I can see how it would be very difficult to find current young P4 P Thai girls up for the kind of partying you like to do. Seems it is very vocal and aggressive in ways I rarely if ever witness with attractive girls on the scene these days.

But for those of us of a more mundane, prosaic nature who are merely looking for something, say, much better than the usual "lick around the edges, at best, then cap on and proceed" kind of service (I honestly don't think anyone needs advice or guidance to get that level of service as it is virtually anywhere and everywhere in the Thai P4 P scene. Just show up and point to a girl whose looks appeal to you), Thailand is still a great place to get it. I'm talking about Real GFE / BBFS and / or BBBJ+CIM.

If a fairly decent behaving and pulled together farang is willing to apply a minimum of Game to it beyond simply sitting politely and waiting for it to land in his lap, he will be steeped in that level of partying and sex play from young and attractive Thai girls virtually all over the place; from the P4 P scene with go-go girls, beer bar girls, FLs, and, naturally, BJ Bar girls to the non P4 P Thai girls found on dating sites and girls you just meet while shopping or out for a walk.

I wasn't here 10 years ago, the timeframe against which you have said today's action compares so unfavorably, so I can't speak to the comparison really. But I was here 20 years ago. And I have to say I am getting more of that kind of action from younger and better looking Thai girls today than I did back then.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1933021]Why do you say "lucked out"? Perhaps you really mean "good luck"? Part timers are the best. Even girls who worked there for years but hardly show up for work can be great, or especially when they just returned from holidays or studies or even just before the period comes. Its possible to find horny girls, if you get lucky. LOL.

I got very lucky with my selected Billboard girl. I think she tried Bangkok Bunnies or similar downstairs for a short while then moved to Billboard. Only a few months. Not really jaded as yet for purposes of take out. I don't know how many days a week she works.[/QUOTE]Yes I got lucky with that one, so the good kind then. Makes me want to head towards the shy / reserved ones now. Whereas I used to avoid them just thinking they would be star fish, or that they were "not into this line of work. " and that the session would be similar to their stand-offish appearance on stage.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1933375]Yes I got lucky with that one, so the good kind then. Makes me want to head towards the shy / reserved ones now. Whereas I used to avoid them just thinking they would be star fish, or that they were "not into this line of work. " and that the session would be similar to their stand-offish appearance on stage.[/QUOTE]Its a common misconception or Myth that a shy girl will be bad. Praow is a very extrovert sexy girl new in Crazy House that will play up to guys, and yet she doesn't like BJ, doesn't like kissing, doesn't like DATY, at least that was my experience when tried her long ago at Doll House. A starfish. Some other timid shy girl can be so pleased that some guy really likes her, she can turn very wildly passionate on the bed and be really into everything GFE. I say avoid the girls that are clearly just putting on an act rather than being themselves.

A girl does not look at you or give you the wink or wave frantically at you. She may be sad, maybe stressed by money shortage, she maybe just shy. It's only a bad sign if she is trying to latch on to other guys but ignoring you. If she does not look anyone in the eye, and just stairs into space, no problem. Some girls do not have the raunchy hooker mindset, especially if relatively new to the game, and totally sober. Interact a little. Give her a reason to concentrate on you. If she is still totally disinterested, okay You can change your mind. I always give girls a chance to show some interest. I give them a signal to show I am interested and then spend some time with them to see if they react positively, or get too aggressive or too arrogant, or too disinterested or what. Chemistry takes a little time to build.

Some girls get the totally wrong impression of me as well, sitting there in bar unsmiling, totally ignoring any girl that approaches. Not allowing anyone to massage me, etc. They probably think this guy cannot lighten up. Very wrong. They can find I am very different if I am interested in the girl, and have a conversation and joke around a bit. Not an Ogre after all.

Plenty of girls are drinking alcohol to try to loosen up and get more raunchy. It is not a natural way for all Thai girls to be very provocative or showing off themselves in a sleazy way.

In Billboard, a girl last night was very drunk and making a lot of tongue licking actions towards me, trying to climb onto my lap. She was not my girl of choice, so I was not specially impressed by her persistence or raunchiness. She was not ugly by any means. Not just any girl will do. I just wanted her to go away. I was talking to a more conservative girl, only two weeks in the bargirl job.

My motto is, don't let the girl choose me, could be a rip-off girl or a girl who cons but does not deliver, I choose the one I like. I like girls to be themselves and not put on a fake act.

For guys looking for a pornstar performance, that maybe different. Then you don't want an overly shy girl, most likely. It also depends on the style of the guy. I an a doer more-so than a receiver of services. I like girls that can have good time "going with the flow", rather than fully directing all the procedings. Less assertive girls may work better for me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1933374]Yes, Goatscrot, based on your posts I can see how it would be very difficult to find current young P4 P Thai girls up for the kind of partying you like to do. Seems it is very vocal and aggressive in ways I rarely if ever witness with attractive girls on the scene these days.

But for those of us of a more mundane, prosaic nature who are merely looking for something, say, much better than the usual "lick around the edges, at best, then cap on and proceed" kind of service (I honestly don't think anyone needs advice or guidance to get that level of service as it is virtually anywhere and everywhere in the Thai P4 P scene. Just show up and point to a girl whose looks appeal to you), Thailand is still a great place to get it. I'm talking about Real GFE / BBFS and / or BBBJ+CIM.

If a fairly decent behaving and pulled together farang is willing to apply a minimum of Game to it beyond simply sitting politely and waiting for it to land in his lap, he will be steeped in that level of partying and sex play from young and attractive Thai girls virtually all over the place; from the P4 P scene with go-go girls, beer bar girls, FLs, and, naturally, BJ Bar girls to the non P4 P Thai girls found on dating sites and girls you just meet while shopping or out for a walk.

I wasn't here 10 years ago, the timeframe against which you have said today's action compares so unfavorably, so I can't speak to the comparison really. But I was here 20 years ago. And I have to say I am getting more of that kind of action from younger and better looking Thai girls today than I did back then.[/QUOTE]Actually the gals were not really any better back then performance wise, just more plentiful, and cheaper. And at that price ( 1k baht + 500 BF Nana, 400 baht CWBY) you got the type of service that you described above. And yes, that is still available, but at about three to four times the price. Now, as I have said many times, if the game was raised, then I would have no problem paying more. Sadly, only the prices have gone up not the level of service.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1933282]The longer I am here the less and less interested I am in "bargirl" conversation and interaction. Oilies work pretty well for me, but the talent has certainly slipped. And, yes, I could spend 3 k, 4 k, 10 k on these gals, but to me they are just not worth it. Most are still sub-50 USD screws at best. Skill set, looks, eroticism, just really not there.[/QUOTE]This is a good summary of the conclusion many have come to.

IMO it is the [I]double hit[/I] of higher prices and lower looks / standards. I have little problem with higher prices if the looks / standards remained high enough. I could live with [I]*some*[/I] lower looks / standards if the price remained reasonable. But when they both move against the punter the value for money (VFM) takes a considerable turn. Or enough of a turn to make you stop and think.

IMO it is less lamenting the scene for what it used to be and more like recognizing the current situation for what it is: still good, can be great, just not slam dunk compelling.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1933433]This is a good summary of the conclusion many have come to.

IMO it is the [I]double hit[/I] of higher prices and lower looks / standards. I have little problem with higher prices if the looks / standards remained high enough. I could live with [I]*some*[/I] lower looks / standards if the price remained reasonable. But when they both move against the punter the value for money (VFM) takes a considerable turn. Or enough of a turn to make you stop and think.

IMO it is less lamenting the scene for what it used to be and more like recognizing the current situation for what it is: still good, can be great, just not slam dunk compelling.

SL.[/QUOTE]Very well stated. 15 years ago Thailand was one of the best destinations when it came to VFM for P4 P. Now, not so much. Where would I venture to now? Well, Colombia peaks my interest as does Venezuela. Ven because of the poor economy and it's quite dangerous at the present. Those two factors add up to fun and good value in the P4 P scene. Keeps most folks away. That's the time to go.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1933444]Very well stated. 15 years ago Thailand was one of the best destinations when it came to VFM for P4 P. Now, not so much. Where would I venture to now? Well, Colombia peaks my interest as does Venezuela. Ven because of the poor economy and it's quite dangerous at the present. Those two factors add up to fun and good value in the P4 P scene. Keeps most folks away. That's the time to go.[/QUOTE]The price has gone up approx. By a factor of 10 over 25 years. That is approx. 9.6% compound inflation rate per year (for those who understand exponential growth maths). A little bit high yes, but not astronomical.

Has the overall standard for Thai looks as they are born, got worse? I don't think so. Maybe even improved slightly. However clearly beautiful girls have more opportunities than 25 years ago to get employment other than P4 P. The other factors spoiling the average looks are modern junk food making ladies fat at earlier age, and surgeries actually hindering their looks rather than enhancing them so much. (0% of nose and tit jobs are actually making girls look worse, in my view.

Very beautiful girls do not last so long in P4 P before someone takes them away from it, or they were only temporary to finance their studies. Has this situation changed much over the years? I don't know.

Clearly the internet web sites, and chat apps enhances the ability of a girl to work P4 P as independent, and not be tied done to a bar or MP with working conditions she may not like.

The overall profile of the customer base has changed a lot. Its not just frugal Farang expats any more. This has allowed the hot girls to get away with pricing themselves higher, where the ordinary girls still have to be cheap enough to get customers. There seem to be a lot less Farangs in total spending money on P4 P. So the market is bad.

It is still possible to get a good looking girl for a good price, but in the Thai oriented discos or clubs / bars, or out in not so touristy towns. Not easy in the Farang / Japanese dominated areas in Bangkok. Isn't a move to Pattaya going to solve much of the cost problem, or for even cheaper, a move to Phnom Penh?

A walk from Sukhumvit Soi 3 to Soi 13 at 1. 30 AM, I looked at the sidewalk girls and the cart bars. I was surprised to find the whole area dominated firstly by black girls, between 30 to 40 of them, and secondly by ladyboys, with real girls coming a distant 3rd by person count.

Does anyone understand how and why there are so many black girls these days? What has changed? Are they all illegal?

I thought only about 10% of the black girls looked good enough to be doable, but then my ratio for the real Thai girls might be very similar, or maybe even fewer of Thai girls in this area would interest me (5 to 10% of Thermae girls really appeal).

I gathered the black girls used to be concentrated in Soi 3 but now have moved to Sukumvit, where rather few are in Soi 4. In may be related to the presence of the Cart Bars in Sukhumvit.

Do these black girls typically go for a good price and are they good fucks? The one half black girl, Michelle from Tanzania/Zanzibar, I tried this year was a complete dud. Overall, outside Thailand, I prefer black girls from South America or West Indies region, however had a very good pretty Ghana girl last year.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1933816]The price has gone up approx. By a factor of 10 over 25 years. That is approx. 9.6% compound inflation rate per year (for those who understand exponential growth maths). A little bit high yes, but not astronomical.

Has the overall standard for Thai looks as they are born, got worse? I don't think so. Maybe even improved slightly. However clearly beautiful girls have more opportunities than 25 years ago to get employment other than P4 P. The other factors spoiling the average looks are modern junk food making ladies fat at earlier age, and surgeries actually hindering their looks rather than enhancing them so much. (0% of nose and tit jobs are actually making girls look worse, in my view.

Very beautiful girls do not last so long in P4 P before someone takes them away from it, or they were only temporary to finance their studies. Has this situation changed much over the years? I don't know.

Clearly the internet web sites, and chat apps enhances the ability of a girl to work P4 P as independent, and not be tied done to a bar or MP with working conditions she may not like.

The overall profile of the customer base has changed a lot. Its not just frugal Farang expats any more. This has allowed the hot girls to get away with pricing themselves higher, where the ordinary girls still have to be cheap enough to get customers. There seem to be a lot less Farangs in total spending money on P4 P. So the market is bad.

It is still possible to get a good looking girl for a good price, but in the Thai oriented discos or clubs / bars, or out in not so touristy towns. Not easy in the Farang / Japanese dominated areas in Bangkok. Isn't a move to Pattaya going to solve much of the cost problem, or for even cheaper, a move to Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]Most things go up in price, but I would say 10% a year is quite a high rate of inflation. A Toyota Camry is more expensive then it was 10 years ago, but it also has a lot better feature set and provides you with a better driving experience for that money. The same cannot be said about P4 P gals in BKK.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1933816]The price has gone up approx. By a factor of 10 over 25 years.
[/QUOTE]Not being picky S. But my first visit was in 1991 exactly 25 years ago and I cannot recall FS on offer at an oilie for 150 Baht I. E. 10% of the current 1500 fee. If memory serves me correctly more like a 1000 baht maybe a couple hundred less depending on shop and lady in question. It might be interesting to check with some of the old timers perhaps at Annie's to see what they were getting back then.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1933846]Most things go up in price, but I would say 10% a year is quite a high rate of inflation. A Toyota Camry is more expensive then it was 10 years ago, but it also has a lot better feature set and provides you with a better driving experience for that money. The same cannot be said about P4 P gals in BKK.[/QUOTE]A girl is not a product that can be improved with lots of new feature sets, unless its a ladyboy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934277]A girl is not a product that can be improved with lots of new feature sets, unless its a ladyboy.[/QUOTE]You are buying a service. Want more money? Up your game. Learn some new tricks. Dress sexy. Learn to be seductive.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1933816]Has the overall standard for Thai looks as they are born, got worse? I don't think so. [/QUOTE]There are fewer around. Birth rate has gone down, and if you look at the population pyramid, the 20-30 segment has shrunk significantly. Couple this with rising salaries and you get a situation where any decent-looking Thai girl can get a Thai boyfriend who makes enough money to survive, so you get almost no decent girls going into prostitution, only the leftovers who, for whatever reason, don't have the ambition at all to exit the hooker lifestyle. This has direct impact on attitudes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1933820]

Do these black girls typically go for a good price and are they good fucks? The one half black girl, Michelle from Tanzania/Zanzibar, I tried this year was a complete dud. Overall, outside Thailand, I prefer black girls from South America or West Indies region, however had a very good pretty Ghana girl last year.[/QUOTE]I usually give the black girls a wide berth. In my limited experience with them anywhere, they talk non-stop about (more) money while trying to postpone the action until you agree to up the ante. When they find out you're not, its all mechanical and boring. Speaking purely from statistics, I am sure one can get lucky.

Personally I stick with the thai girls. Sure can be hit & miss, but again statistically I have a lot better experience. And nearly no thai girl would lower herself to ask for more money after you have made a deal with them. Many will even say "up to you" when you ask the price. The same way a guy in a street shop will go to extreme lengths to make sure you get your 20 bath change on a 380 bath deal.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1934264]Not being picky S. But my first visit was in 1991 exactly 25 years ago and I cannot recall FS on offer at an oilie for 150 Baht I. E. 10% of the current 1500 fee. If memory serves me correctly more like a 1000 baht maybe a couple hundred less depending on shop and lady in question. It might be interesting to check with some of the old timers perhaps at Annie's to see what they were getting back then.[/QUOTE]FS at an oil why is now about 2200 baht so 120% more than in 1991.

According to USA inflation calculator a 1991 dollar was worth about 76% more than a 2016 dollar.

So yes the coswt of sex has grown much faster than inflation. Btu not several times as fast.

The more troubling thing is how fast prices have grown in the last few years. Especially for FL action. The hotter girls at Ibar were more than happy with 2 K LT just two years agi. Now 3 K seems to be the going rate for the hottest hotties. In BKK some are now asking for 4 and 5 K!

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1934264]Not being picky S. But my first visit was in 1991 exactly 25 years ago and I cannot recall FS on offer at an oilie for 150 Baht I. E. 10% of the current 1500 fee. If memory serves me correctly more like a 1000 baht maybe a couple hundred less depending on shop and lady in question. It might be interesting to check with some of the old timers perhaps at Annie's to see what they were getting back then.[/QUOTE]I did not use Oilies back then at all. I did use some Soapies such as Thermae. I was able to get LT with a Soi Cowboy bargirl for 400 Baht (some charged 500 Baht). This I remember very clearly. I would expect ST to be somewhat less if bargirl ST existed at all in those days. If you were paying 1000 for FS in an Oily, or even 200 less, seems like a lot. It is hard to believe that Oily sex price could have gone up only 50% in 25 years. You did say you cannot recall. I can't recall how much I paid in the Thermae Soapy massage 25 years ago either.

About 13 years ago, in soapy Chao Praya 2, the initial price for massage girl did not include sex. She would charge 1000 for sex. This was not the cheapest going around though. However that is only 13 years ago and not 25 years ago. 25 years ago, I cannot recall the soapy prices, but obviously a lot less than 1000 for FS. I also used a soapy in Chiang Mai 33 years ago. Unfortunately cannot remember that price either.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1934398]I usually give the black girls a wide berth. In my limited experience with them anywhere, they talk non-stop about (more) money while trying to postpone the action until you agree to up the ante. [/QUOTE]Where is your experience with black girls? Anywhere is not very specific. I never had any problem with them in Germany or Portugal, in terms of trying to rip me off. Don't identify at all with the non stop talk about money. Is this a Thailand problem?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934492]I did not use Oilies back then at all. I did use some Soapies such as Thermae. I was able to get LT with a Soi Cowboy bargirl for 400 Baht (some charged 500 Baht). This I remember very clearly. I would expect ST to be somewhat less if bargirl ST existed at all in those days. If you were paying 1000 for FS in an Oily, or even 200 less, seems like a lot. It is hard to believe that Oily sex price could have gone up only 50% in 25 years. You did say you cannot recall. I can't recall how much I paid in the Thermae Soapy massage 25 years ago either.
[/QUOTE]If my memory is correct, a two-hour full service session at Baron's more than ten years ago was 800 baht to the shop and 1500 baht to the girl. That is the same price as it now is at the PSE oilies, i.e., no price increase at all (at least in Thai currency) with the exception of some minor outliers such as Bamboo's introduction of a 500-baht surcharge for anal. Indeed, taking into account the inflation rate, the price in real terms has gone down.

For some reason, the PSE oilies have not raised their prices like the other venues. On the flip side, the average quality of the girls at the PSE oilies has declined a bit (or more, depending on who you ask).

I suspect the budget soapies, such as Avita and Meree, may also have prices now that are not that much higher than a decade ago but given I haven't frequented them recently I don't really know.

Dr. BJ's nuru and saloon still operating. There facebook page can't find any. If anyone can answer highly appreciate.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1934366]There are fewer around. Birth rate has gone down, and if you look at the population pyramid, the 20-30 segment has shrunk significantly. Couple this with rising salaries and you get a situation where any decent-looking Thai girl can get a Thai boyfriend who makes enough money to survive, so you get almost no decent girls going into prostitution, only the leftovers who, for whatever reason, don't have the ambition at all to exit the hooker lifestyle. This has direct impact on attitudes.[/QUOTE]Yep. Spot on post. The population pyramid inverted here in '97. There are more gals than boys being born but with rising salaries only the dregs tend to go into P4 P these days. It is not like in the West where P4 P gals view themselves as independent. Here there is still a lot of stigma attached to sex. It was getting better in the late '00's but has taken a very conservative turn in the past few years. Sex in "beneath" them and something that the poor people do. Can dress sexy, but sex; heavens no. That's messy.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1934529]If my memory is correct, a two-hour full service session at Baron's more than ten years ago was 800 baht to the shop and 1500 baht to the girl. That is the same price as it now is at the PSE oilies, i.e., no price increase at all (at least in Thai currency) with the exception of some minor outliers such as Bamboo's introduction of a 500-baht surcharge for anal. Indeed, taking into account the inflation rate, the price in real terms has gone down.

For some reason, the PSE oilies have not raised their prices like the other venues. On the flip side, the average quality of the girls at the PSE oilies has declined a bit (or more, depending on who you ask).

I suspect the budget soapies, such as Avita and Meree, may also have prices now that are not that much higher than a decade ago but given I haven't frequented them recently I don't really know.[/QUOTE]Correct. PSE prices are the same as they were when Baron's opened with the exception of Bamboo that imposes a 500 Baht "butt-penalty. ".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1934564]Correct. PSE prices are the same as they were when Baron's opened with the exception of Bamboo that imposes a 500 Baht "butt-penalty. ".[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity, does anyone know when Baron's first opened? I am thinking it closed towards the end of 2005, but am not sure about that.

Edit: I just noticed a photo I took at Tulip in October 2002 (assuming the information attached to the photo is correct). So I imagine it opened earlier than that, which would mean no price increases for somewhere around 15 years or more.

At the time I first visited Baron's I remember the go-go prices were 1500 for short-time and 2000 for long-time, although there may have been some room for negotiating from these prices. I don't remember the bar fine amount precisely, but it may have been 400 or 500 baht. So back then, a two-hour session at Baron's cost somewhere between what a short-time and a long-time go-go girl session cost.

[QUOTE=ScottWalker;1934561]Dr. BJ's nuru and saloon still operating. There facebook page can't find any. If anyone can answer highly appreciate.[/QUOTE]Of course still operate. Was that the question? You can find their webpages with simple search. The shops are now called Chrome Bar and Wood bar and frontage altered.

Wandered into Thermae last night about 11:30 PM. What a horror show. The Japanese were horse racing around the track and there were more plastic surgery disasters then I could imagine. One gal had her nose reduced to nothing and was so botoxed out she looked like an alien. And these gals are demanded 2 K plus? Jeez, would not take 95% of them for 1 k Baht. A shadow of what it was just a few years ago when the Japanese hunters were all very pretty. Really was shocking. I think they need to return the room to its darker self. The bright lights accentuate the flaws. And there are many.

If you're more in to the traditional Thai look with the flared nostrils then Thermae is definitely not the place for you. Since I'm into the Japanese Anime doll look and girls who look more caucasian, Thermae is the place for me.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1934592]Out of curiosity, does anyone know when Baron's first opened? I am thinking it closed towards the end of 2005, but am not sure about that.

Edit: I just noticed a photo I took at Tulip in October 2002 (assuming the information attached to the photo is correct). So I imagine it opened earlier than that, which would mean no price increases for somewhere around 15 years or more.

At the time I first visited Baron's I remember the go-go prices were 1500 for short-time and 2000 for long-time, although there may have been some room for negotiating from these prices. I don't remember the bar fine amount precisely, but it may have been 400 or 500 baht. So back then, a two-hour session at Baron's cost somewhere between what a short-time and a long-time go-go girl session cost.[/QUOTE]CORRECTION: I just noticed I said I took a photo at Tulip in 2002; I meant Baron's. Sorry about that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1934654]Wandered into Thermae last night about 11:30 PM. What a horror show. The Japanese were horse racing around the track and there were more plastic surgery disasters then I could imagine. One gal had her nose reduced to nothing and was so botoxed out she looked like an alien. And these gals are demanded 2 K plus? Jeez, would not take 95% of them for 1 k Baht. A shadow of what it was just a few years ago when the Japanese hunters were all very pretty. Really was shocking. I think they need to return the room to its darker self. The bright lights accentuate the flaws. And there are many.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha. We do agree that too much bad surgeries makes girls look alien rather than human, or like Ladyboys. Moderate surgeries makes the girls look more western like (not really desirable for me).

I was in there too at the same time, most likely. I was sitting in the middle with a girl in a white dress. I was showing the Thermae to my ex-Billboard girl Tukata, and explaining how it worked. She is all natural and light skin, and to me easily pretty enough to compete well in there, but only small tits. She may have a difficulty in that she perhaps prefers Farang customers, and is very GFE with me, not a quick turn over girl. She might just be too good for the Thermae. LOL Tukata has a killer sweet smile, but is quite timid rather than flamboyant, perhaps lacking in self confidence. Not sure if that matters in the Thermae. Tukata says she has given up Billboard purely due to them having too many girls and new girl arriving every week. She probably acted too conservatively in Billboard with customers looking for a little more flamboyant, show off or raunchy girls, plus some customers want big tits, natural or not.

I did see 3 to 4 other cute girls (natural looking types) in Thermae. One who looked very young got taken by a Japanese guy very promptly. Another I rated as very pretty and previously taken quickly was not getting taken so quick this night (not sure why). One guy talked to two different girls I liked but failed to reach agreement with either. Customers generally seemed slow to decide. Not "horse-racing" by any means. A bit of slow movement around the track but less than some other visits. Moderately crowded. Banana Boy's girl with the big tits was there as always. Quite cute and light skin. She would not take me I am assured. BB said she has the tightest pussy around.

I also took Tukata to see Tilac bar as it is a more conservative bar, or so I thought. Actually the girls there play up quite a bit, and were more raunchy than I expected. They need to be because there aren't any beauties in there, well I am a little unfair, it was after midnight by that time, and the best girls could be BFed already. Tukata could work there and be easily the prettiest to my taste. So standard of looks in Tilac seemed well behind Billboard (at this late time).

I also decided to look in Doll House. After the previous drug addled owner fell off the building to his death, the bar may well have a new owner. The staff in there have changed almost completely. One or two old waitresses perhaps. I did not recognise any dancing girls at all. Quite a few girls dance naked, and there are about 3 Coyote girls. Not much surgeries in there, a couple of tit jobs. Overall standard is higher than the previous set of girls and probably higher than Suzie Wong, for me (liking slimmer girls). Few fatties. Suzie Wong only had 5 or 6 slimmer girls last visit. Stunners?, not really except for one of the Coyotes was exotically pretty and I would certainly fuck her, given the chance. She was busy with a customer. One girl sat with me but she was drunk and pretty stupid. Very few customers. Perhaps Doll House should have some shows like Suzie has to liven it up a tad.

Once it gets really late in some bars, the staff can start to get too drunk, and this is not good whether the drunk girls are dancing girls or service staff. Service staff will very easily fuck up your bill once they get drunk. So I don't recommend attending bars very late in the evening.

By flared nostrils, I presume BB refers to very broad flat noses. Yes very few of those. Plenty of the eagle beak noses (curve down), after bridge of the nose has been altered. Still I could find a few natural cute non-broad small bridge noses as well. Plenty of noses ungainly big even if not broad nor the very typical bulbous tipped (when unaltered) Thai noses.

If Goatscrot thinks the nose jobs were bad, I would say not as bad as in some other places. I have seen far more of a nose horror show in some of the Soapy MPs. My last visit to Emmanuelle line up was far more horrifying than a Thermae visit. Utopia visit was shocking too. Exceedingly bad nose jobs come in various types. One type is the very sharp bird beak type (like Michael Jackson) and another type is where the tip has been raised, making a piggy nose look. Neither of these types were that prevalent in my quick look. More so the witch like hooked noses, or just plastic shiny noses looking like they are glued on.

It looks like the prices have gone up in Thailand in 25 years very disproportionately.

The price of LT with a bargirl has probably risen the most, maybe the price of ST with a bargirl a little less, less still the soapy prices and freelancer prices, and maybe least of all the Oily prices.

So originally bargirls were cheaper than MP girls, and now they are much more expensive. Is this caused by supply and demand? There are an absolutely massive number of massage shops and many massage girls get very few customers. In bars there are such a shortage of really good looking girls, they seem to be in higher demand if they are any good. Seems to allow them to charge more. It was suggested to me that some of the top girls in twisters bar maybe setting quite a high ST price. They would only do that if they can get it. They do have the ability to set their own price unlike an Oily MP. So I think it is the negotiating power that allows Bargirls to get higher prices.
The tourist guy came to Nana and he claimed he paid 8 K to a bargirl (and bar and drinks etc.) and got an ordinary ST. He had no clues to what he should have been paying.

The number of bars with girls to be taken for sex is declining. Hard to make bars profitable. This is perhaps because the girls there are getting too costly to fuck for girls that are just not worth it, in the view of many guys who used to attend bars but not much any more.

Even Twisters is an expensive bar, the girls get plenty of customers. Busier than many other bars. Caters to the big spenders I guess, where some Oily MPs are catering to those who want pornstars at a budget price. The looks of the girls has to suffer.

Twister Bar Saturday night about 10:45 pm, place was packed with customers, unlike downstairs Mandarin and Billboard which had few customers and tons of girls the moment I looked in. Could have changed soon after.

At Twister there were many more young Japanese customers on the "pantyhose" dancer left side stage than I'd seen before. Still, it seemed to me the same lineup of Sweet Young Things on that side wearing pantyhose that I'd seen on previous visits were not being called down or seen walking out with a customer during the half hour or so I spent in there. Maybe the customers are on to something about them despite the waitress once telling me they were available for barfine just like the rest. I didn't interview any of them this time myself. This pantyhose = no go / no sex issue has been circulating around message boards like this one for some time now, many months at least if not over a year, but I have yet to read a field report roundly refuting it. As in something like, "Oh no! I barfined one of those hot pantyhose wearing cuties at so-and-so go-go bar just last night and she provided everything one could reasonably want and expect from a go-go dancer ST!" Never read it online or heard it directly from a trusted punter. Maybe Twister is the exception and where new ground will be broken on such a field report.

Anyway, I quickly spied a young, tall-ish, light skinned, lovely figured, leggy (very good), small natural no kids breasts cutie (no pantyhose) walking by, caught her attention, and she came to me where I was sitting. She began her "lapdance" bit, showing off and applying her well-shaped butt as much as possible. I bought her a ladydrink and chatted her up, being playful with her and the waitresses nearby. Within 10 minutes of mostly sexual playfulness and very little discussion about it, the deal was struck. I asked her how much was the barfine here, already knowing it was 1000 baht, which she confirmed. I didn't ask, but she followed up with "and 2,000 to me, makes it only 3,000 baht!" That was 1000 baht less than what the two waitresses had said all the girls "get" just a few days earlier. And this night it had more customers than on my two previous visits.

She would easily have been one of the more in-demand 2,500+ ST girls in Crazy House's heyday. So that cancelled out the bite of the 1000 baht barfine and then some, imo. No games or tricks in my apartment. No rush. She wasn't watching the clock and neither did I but she must have been there for almost two hours. I was pleased with what transpired and would repeat.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1934748]
Anyway, I quickly spied a young, tall-ish, light skinned, lovely figured, leggy (very good), small natural no kids breasts cutie (no pantyhose) walking by, caught her attention, and she came to me where I was sitting. She began her "lapdance" bit, showing off and applying her well-shaped butt as much as possible. I bought her a ladydrink and chatted her up, being playful with her and the waitresses nearby. Within 10 minutes of mostly sexual playfulness and very little discussion about it, the deal was struck. I asked her how much was the barfine here, already knowing it was 1000 baht, which she confirmed. I didn't ask, but she followed up with "and 2,000 to me, makes it only 3,000 baht!" That was 1000 baht less than what the two waitresses had said all the girls "get" just a few days earlier. And this night it had more customers than on my two previous visits.

She would easily have been one of the more in-demand 2,500+ ST girls in Crazy House's heyday. So that cancelled out the bite of the 1000 baht barfine and then some, imo. No games or tricks in my apartment. No rush. She wasn't watching the clock and neither did I but she must have been there for almost two hours. I was pleased with what transpired and would repeat.[/QUOTE]Yes I can confirm that the prices of the girls are not fixed and vary depending on the girl, and what she thinks she can get from the customer.

I won't be asking a pantyhose girl for a fuck, to test the theory, unless of course she happens to be my choice anyway, which is less likely. I saw very few pantyhose girls in total on my last visit. My eyesight is deteriorating at my age (long sighted), so I normally have to look for the mesh covering the girls toes to be absolutely sure since some hose are very sheer and not necessarily a strange colour. If girls toes are not exposed I may have to get quite close (with glasses on) to be sure. I preferred to be located on the right side anyway (very little panty hose if any that side). More my style of girls. Last visit I started on the left side and soon moved to the right side, once I saw the right side talent was better for me including topless girls.

I guess Crazy House Hey Day was 2 to 3 years ago. Not many new girls there are interesting me at all, and almost all my favourites seem to be gone, or attending extremely rarely. It is rumoured that when Old Dutch lease expires, Crazy House will expand into there, but I detect a drop in their business corresponding to deterioration of the line up, and introduction of ugly shows downstairs. So the expansion could easily be a failure. They need to think of back to basics. Gorgeous girls. Level of surgeries is getting too high. Surgeries loving guys will be probably preferring Baccara or Rainbow 4 IMHO. However not all Japanese guys want that. Some even take tan skin in the Thermae. Crazy House is not attracting the same lookers that are in Twisters now. That is why Twisters is starting to be packed after only 4 months. Simply some quality girls. Its a better line up than I ever saw at RB4, IMHO, in terms of some naturally good looks. I think the management of CH has got too complacent thinking they know best, instead of finding out what the customers really want. Certainly not the ugly shows with ugly girls performing them. I may done with CH for the time being. Which ever places have the best girls will pull me. Right now that maybe be Twisters and Billboard. Never would have thought I would be drawn back to Nana. Twisters is well in front of Billboard for me, for both face beauty and for lighting to be able to see them. Billboard girls have good bodies but can't tell easily that faces may not be so fabulous due to very dim lighting. If I still have my 21 YO eyesight, may be no problem. I don't like Twisters music. DJ is doing too modern disco stuff, not really "music" as such.

Twisters is only going 4 months. Not long. I had a waitress of only 2 days at twisters. Obviously not all waitresses are highly experienced and highly knowledgeable about what goes on. When seeking opinions from the staff, we have to assume they are stories/guesses. Only when we starting getting the same story from everyone in there, can we start to assume the stories may have some basis in fact. As you point out ET, theories cannot easily be proven to be always true, but can only be refuted by finding a counterexample, e.g. find the pantyhose girl that is definitely up for a fuck. It's not a big deal for me. I know there are girls who don't fuck, and one of them did not have pantyhose. Even if it happens that 90% of pantyhose girls do not fuck, it won't be of great consequence since I did not even find any pantyhose girls especially attracting me. When I do find one, I can ask her. Meanwhile if pantyhose is upsetting, just ignore those girls. I am far more interested in the quality of the girl's nose, mouth, tits, and ass, tummy, than whether she has pantyhose on, although pantyhose can spoil the looks of the legs, I can admit.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1934654]Wandered into Thermae last night about 11:30 PM. What a horror show. The Japanese were horse racing around the track and there were more plastic surgery disasters then I could imagine. One gal had her nose reduced to nothing and was so botoxed out she looked like an alien. And these gals are demanded 2 K plus?[/QUOTE]Friday night. After tiring of the lineup at CH, with the intention of checking out NEP, I stopped by Thermae. Entered through the back stairs and spotted a girl in the back corner. Cleavage was popping out from a distance and she flashed a smile, so I make a round, grabbed a drink and headed back. As I made the circle, quite a few smiles from some, but nothing to keep me from circling back to the corner.

To make a long story short, it was a quick chat and we were on our way out. I wasn't going to pay the Ruamchitt ST fee, so we walked over to Miami. Full. So flagged a taxi and went to Asoke Place. Back in the room she revealed a package as good as anything I might have gotten at CH. Light smooth skin with no tattoos, taller, braces, well proportioned busty (she said enhanced, but the feeling was totally natural for me), zero body fat, charming nice smile. Service was good, but nothing earth-shattering. Affectionate slow BBBJ with long stroke licking. Her pink love box was a joy to DATY and she warmed up and juiced up nicely before climaxing. Then joy inside her tight love box before I had mine. Afterwards she was off to Rachada to play with her friends.

YMMV, but Thermae delivered a smile in this case for me. Worth more exploration. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934499]Where is your experience with black girls? Anywhere is not very specific. I never had any problem with them in Germany or Portugal, in terms of trying to rip me off. Don't identify at all with the non stop talk about money. Is this a Thailand problem?[/QUOTE]Personally my only experience with black girls was in South Africa and Dubai, and I didn't hold to the saying as I "went back" to my LBFM / Yellow Fever targets. I never had any issue with black girls per-se, just the nappy snatches and musky scent was generally unattractive. The only thing I liked was doing facials for a nice ebony and ivory contrast.

In BKK I find that the black girls are a migratory pack. I have spotted them in groups way up Soi 4 down to Terminal 21. The most common spots have been in the street bars of Soi 7 and lately very frequently under the crossbridge in front of the Westin / Robinsons at Soi 19. They range from lumbering rhicocerous-assed mamas to lithe sexy impalas. When I see them, although they seem quite friendly enough (one approached politely saying "May I say Hello, to you? There is something that I am just not interested enough to stop and kibitz, so I can't comment from experience.

I have seen them also going on Craigslist (see a recent ad [URL]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/5763758635.html[/URL]) and WeChat (if you are in Asoke / Nana, just do a People Nearby search) recently. I have also seen an pimp / agent-type setup on Facebook (search "African Women in Bangkok" The CL girl also appears on the FB page I believe. So if you are into this segment of working girls, check out and report. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934499]Where is your experience with black girls? Anywhere is not very specific. I never had any problem with them in Germany or Portugal, in terms of trying to rip me off. Don't identify at all with the non stop talk about money. Is this a Thailand problem?[/QUOTE]My experience is from US, Germany, Italy and Norway, but as said my experience is limited. US is a different story, but the girls I've sampled in Europe were all African, Ghana and thereabouts and I assume the black girls in Thailand are too, although I shall not presume to know if their behavior is different. My statistics are not in their favor, that's why I stay away.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1934748]Still, it seemed to me the same lineup of Sweet Young Things on that side wearing pantyhose that I'd seen on previous visits were not being called down or seen walking out with a customer during the half hour or so I spent in there. Maybe the customers are on to something about them despite the waitress once telling me they were available for barfine just like the rest. I didn't interview any of them this time myself. This pantyhose = no go / no sex issue has been circulating around message boards like this one for some time now, many months at least if not over a year, but I have yet to read a field report roundly refuting it. As in something like, "Oh no! I barfined one of those hot pantyhose wearing cuties at so-and-so go-go bar just last night and she provided everything one could reasonably want and expect from a go-go dancer ST!" Never read it online or heard it directly from a trusted punter. Maybe Twister is the exception and where new ground will be broken on such a field report.[/QUOTE]Some years ago, I would alternate between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza whenever I felt going for a Go-Go night, but the last few years there seem to be too many of those coyotes around Nana, so I practically stopped going there. Of course you can find girls to take away (it IS Bangkok...), but I find it rather demotivating to see a crowd of beauties dancing, but knowing you can only get fun from any less attractive girl in the bar. Quite a turn off really. I want to be able to pick the girl I find the most attractive in a Go-Go bar. So nowadays I stick to CH, Tilac and other well-known places.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934762]Surgeries loving guys will be probably preferring Baccara or Rainbow 4 IMHO. However not all Japanese guys want that. Some even take tan skin in the Thermae. Crazy House is not attracting the same lookers that are in Twisters now. That is why Twisters is starting to be packed after only 4 months. Simply some quality girls. Its a better line up than I ever saw at RB4, IMHO, in terms of some naturally good looks. I think the management of CH has got too complacent thinking they know best, instead of finding out what the customers really want. Certainly not the ugly shows with ugly girls performing them. I may done with CH for the time being. Which ever places have the best girls will pull me. Right now that maybe be Twisters and Billboard. Never would have thought I would be drawn back to Nana. Twisters is well in front of Billboard for me, for both face beauty and for lighting to be able to see them. Billboard girls have good bodies but can't tell easily that faces may not be so fabulous due to very dim lighting. If I still have my 21 YO eyesight, may be no problem. I don't like Twisters music. DJ is doing too modern disco stuff, not really "music" as such.
[/QUOTE]Those looking for small, cute, very young types might want to check out the "downstairs" (2nd Floor, at the top of the escalator) Mandarin Bar. The place was packed with them Saturday night. I thought many of the girls were adorable. They have the same two tier barfine system as the upstairs Mandarin, 1,500 baht for "Special" girls vs 700 baht for the rest. If the "Special" designation provides the same satisfying results (to me) in this bar as the upstairs bar I might have to indulge soon. Biggest turn off though was the girls in this bar exhibited the most aggressive ladydrink pressure I have experienced in a long time. They come at you in groups, hop on your lap, start lobbying for it right away.

Understandably, for many that is a total deal killer for even sitting in a bar. But I was able to fend them off easily enough, use it to demonstrate and establish what to expect or not to expect from me when I walk in again (if they even remember) and am willing to chalk it up to the fact that they had very few customers in there and incomes were probably suffering. A vicious cycle, of course. Maybe one of the reasons there were few customers in there to begin with was the heavy ladydrink pressure.

That said, I have to say there was a ton of ladydrink pressure going on at Twister Bar last Saturday night, too. And not just from the girls on stage and circling past the booths and tables between sets but from the waitresses as well. And there were a LOT of hands stuck out at check bin payment time requesting tips. I smiled and left a reasonable tip in the tray, that's all, as I waited for my girl to change into her street clothes.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1934810]Light smooth skin with no tattoos, taller, braces, well proportioned busty (she said enhanced, but the feeling was totally natural for me), zero body fat, charming nice smile.
[/QUOTE]The Thai doctors have a way of doing breast enhancement that is just incredibly better than anywhere else. Many of the top dancers have enhancements and you can't tell because they have a natural look. They have a beautiful hang and feel very soft (if you get to touch them). I can usually tell if they're enhanced if I get them in the room but otherwise I couldn't tell in their sexy outfits. Kudos to the breast doctors in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1934981]Some years ago, I would alternate between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza whenever I felt going for a Go-Go night, but the last few years there seem to be too many of those coyotes around Nana, so I practically stopped going there. Of course you can find girls to take away (it IS Bangkok...), but I find it rather demotivating to see a crowd of beauties dancing, but knowing you can only get fun from any less attractive girl in the bar. Quite a turn off really. I want to be able to pick the girl I find the most attractive in a Go-Go bar. So nowadays I stick to CH, Tilac and other well-known places.[/QUOTE]Really? My impression over the past few years has been the percentage of no-go Coyotes is much greater in Soi Cowboy than in Nana Plaza. But I am counting the pantyhose wearing girls lined up outside the bars on Soi Cowboy and not dancing on stage inside the bars.

Of the several dozen times a pantyhose wearing Coyote has hooked her arm in mine and tried to drag me into the bar on Soi Cowboy to start buying ladydrinks over the past year or two, not one time has one of them ever said, "Yes, you pay barfine and I go with you!" when I have asked if they go with customers. And I always ask just for fun and to see if the no-go pantyhose Coyote system has changed. It hasn't as far as I can tell. Not on Soi Cowboy that is.

I sat outside at a table with a friend for more than an hour last night and we both were checking out the Coyote behavior up and down the soi on each side of our table. First of all, very few punters allow themselves to get pulled into the bars by those girls anyway. And when they did, the pantyhose wearing girl came right back out to her station within minutes, obviously having handed her mark off to a real barfinable go-go dancer inside or perhaps after taking one sip of the ladydrink he bought for her and then excusing herself to go back to her job of luring the next sucker into the bar.

I don't see that happening nearly as much in Nana Plaza as in Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Socker;1935069]The Thai doctors have a way of doing breast enhancement that is just incredibly better than anywhere else. Many of the top dancers have enhancements and you can't tell because they have a natural look. They have a beautiful hang and feel very soft (if you get to touch them). I can usually tell if they're enhanced if I get them in the room but otherwise I couldn't tell in their sexy outfits. Kudos to the breast doctors in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I too have often been perplexed at how good they are compared to Western boob jobs. What do they do that is so different? Some of these knockers feel so good to the touch that they are actually better than most real big boobs.

I talked to a girl of mine that has a particularly lovely pair and she said the procedure she underwent is super intensive. She was not allowed to drink alcohol for 6 months after.

[QUOTE=Socker;1935069]The Thai doctors have a way of doing breast enhancement that is just incredibly better than anywhere else. Many of the top dancers have enhancements and you can't tell because they have a natural look. They have a beautiful hang and feel very soft (if you get to touch them). I can usually tell if they're enhanced if I get them in the room but otherwise I couldn't tell in their sexy outfits. Kudos to the breast doctors in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I don't see anything special about the quality of the boob jobs in Thailand. Not sure which countries have worse boob jobs? Girls I have seen topless in Europe are no better no worse. I think its purely dependent on the particular girl, whether she goes for overly exaggerated or subtle job. Sure you my not be able to tell if tits hare encased in a thick hard bra and top, but you can still suspect and still tell easily if a girl is topless in 95% of cases. Natural look? I am not really seeing that in the gogos with topless girls. I hardly take enhanced tits. Occasionally if a very good job or girl has some other amazing qualities. I never ever took a girl with silly-cones from Crazy House for example. Just wasn't necessary with other options.

There are occasions when I see a girl topless where I a not 100% sure if tits are real or fake. That usually means they are real, but just a little bit suspiciously high.

I really am not seeing these so called fabulous boob jobs. Or maybe I see them but do not touch them, and I just don't know how good they supposedly are to touch. I am almost always taking very soft tits, and often quite small tits. If larger they have to bounce, swing, and shimmer to be considered. If they just sit there still not moving and have convex upper curve, then they are definitely fake and I don't take them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1935070]Really? My impression over the past few years has been the percentage of no-go Coyotes is much greater in Soi Cowboy than in Nana Plaza. But I am counting the pantyhose wearing girls lined up outside the bars on Soi Cowboy and not dancing on stage inside the bars.
[/QUOTE]It purely depends on which bars you go to. If you ruled out the Arab's bars in Cowboy then there would be relatively few Coyotes in Cowboy. Surely no one knows the percentages. Plenty of Cowboy bars have either no Coyotes or a small number of them. Tilac probably has 50% Coyote outfits. However they do not dance as Coyotes, and I did not ask if they were Coyotes or not.

I haven't done a survey of every bar in Cowboy and Nana so I could not possibly say which place is dominated by Coyotes the most. It is certainly on the rise in both locations. I have been in Suckers bar this year but cannot even remember if they had Coyotes or not, but I did not like it. I also did not like Bangkok Bunnies bar. Other bars visited in Nana all had Coyotes.

I have visited several bars in Cowboy with either no Coyotes or very minimal Coyotes like Doll House. So it just depends on which bars you go to. No point in going to the Arab's bars.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1934968]My experience is from US, Germany, Italy and Norway, but as said my experience is limited. US is a different story, but the girls I've sampled in Europe were all African, Ghana and thereabouts and I assume the black girls in Thailand are too, although I shall not presume to know if their behavior is different. My statistics are not in their favor, that's why I stay away.[/QUOTE]The black girls and semi-black girls in Europe have been pretty damn good overall, coming from Ghana, Kenya, Dom Rep, Jamaica, Brazil, Puerto Rico, etc. More reliable than the white girls. Maybe I just went to the right place to find good ones, being FKK. Only a limited percentage were pretty enough to interest me. I am quite picky.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1935063] Biggest turn off though was the girls in this bar exhibited the most aggressive ladydrink pressure I have experienced in a long time. They come at you in groups, hop on your lap, start lobbying for it right away.
[/QUOTE]Have to agree with that. I did not take to Mandarin Downstairs for exactly this reason. Meanwhile upstairs was just dead at the last visit, girls even disinterested in dancing (unmotivated). It has definitely declined. Certain bars in Nana over the years have really turned me off badly due to the aggression and pressure. RB3 was a shocker years ago. It's like you could not just sit watching, in peace for more than 60 seconds before someone would come to hassle you.

I also did not really take to Spankys bar. Tried it a couple of time, but I don't like the Spanking stuff. Its too noisy for me, just like I don't like balloon popping shows (elsewhere). Did manage to BF one good girl from there but long ago.

I think Billboard and Twisters are significantly better bars for quality. Mercury can be a fun bar, especially very late with some Isaan music included, but unfortunately most gogo girls are pudgy (overweight to my taste). I only went there to see very specific superior girls that have not been attending recently. I don't really rate any of the other bars in Nana Plaza that I tried. Forget Suckers (low quality). Bangkok Bunnies is only for Silicone lovers, IMHO. RB4 for Surgeries and white skin lovers.

Haven't tried the new Candyland in recent times at all, nor Straps, nor RB1 and RB3.

Last night I saw my first ever Ping Pong show in Suzi Wong. Just a gimmick of no eroticism. I had previously thought a Ping Pong show was where the balls popped out of pussy and dropped into a glass. However maybe that was an Eggs show, I forget (totally disinterested). Last night the girl with special talented pussy was firing the Ping Pong balls across the bar towards customers with Ping Pong bats who would hit the balls back across to opposite side of the bar. I suppose many guys know about this show already, but was first time I ever saw it. I have seen plenty of darts popping balloons shows , needles shows, razor blade shows, smoking pussy shows etc. All dumb stuff for tourists.

Strangely, although Suzi Wong had very few customers (well down from normal), mostly fat girls, the place had a fun party type atmosphere, where Doll House, with better quality girls overall and slightly more customers last night, had a very dreary atmosphere. Not sure why that is.

Last night I headed down to Climax around 2:30 AM. Stayed for about 1 hour but the talent was just awful. I left amd went explorimg the cart bars and found a lovely 19 year old beauty. Report soon in Asian Rains new blog. Apparently I must have just missed the Army raiding the place a few minutes later. Very few late night spots left boys.

Intended again to make my way to Nana Plaza this evening. Stopped by Thermae and couldn't get past the stench of smoke wafting up the back stairs. Japanese just love their cancer sticks. I just breezed through and saw some nice faces, but nothing worth slowing my roll for the fresh air. Made my way up Sukhimvit. The Africans had settled in the street bars near the McDo. Got over to Nana Car Park at about 10:45. Nothing. Decided to walk up Soi 4. Got worse and worse. Looks like there is major renovation happening in shops in front of Rajah hotel. Hillary and the ladyboy bar in the back corner dark and closed, so appears like more gentrification on its way.

Circled back with full intention to get to NEP. Stopped by Nana Car Park again. Spotted a slim cutie in cutoff shorts sitting in front of Hooters who quick-flashed a lovely smile. Sat down and said Hello,. Immediately got the "Go with you". I was all for that. 21 yo. Claimed she was working in a 7-11. Went over to di Place and did the 300 b check-in. Unwrapped to reveal a sweet little package. Smooth latte-brown tattoo-less skin with modest perky A-cup tits. Not an ounce of fat. No baby. Tight firm rear end. Other than no real kissing, everything else was good. Open to direction. Licked nipples. Then down south for a soft slow blow job. My turn and licked her soft brown teenie nipples. Migrated down to enjoy a natural Bush which responded very well to DATY. Love box was a tight envelope of pleasure. All good stuff.

Walked back and took another glance at Nana Car Park. Spotted an even cuter small girl with braces. She would have been well at home in Thermae. In retrospect should have stopped and gotten a contact. I can't say tonight's experience is representative of my typical run through NCP, but it put a more positive spin on my recent images of the scene. In the end didn't miss the pantyhose coyote girls, nagging for lady drinks or barfines of NEP, but will surely get around to it. All options need to be explored and "polled" for potential. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935151]It purely depends on which bars you go to. If you ruled out the Arab's bars in Cowboy then there would be relatively few Coyotes in Cowboy. Surely no one knows the percentages. Plenty of Cowboy bars have either no Coyotes or a small number of them. Tilac probably has 50% Coyote outfits. However they do not dance as Coyotes, and I did not ask if they were Coyotes or not.

I haven't done a survey of every bar in Cowboy and Nana so I could not possibly say which place is dominated by Coyotes the most. It is certainly on the rise in both locations. I have been in Suckers bar this year but cannot even remember if they had Coyotes or not, but I did not like it. I also did not like Bangkok Bunnies bar. Other bars visited in Nana all had Coyotes.

I have visited several bars in Cowboy with either no Coyotes or very minimal Coyotes like Doll House. So it just depends on which bars you go to. No point in going to the Arab's bars.[/QUOTE]Matches my perception. Have by mistake wandered into Spice Girls one evening, lovely young girls but no sex in sight, so for sure there are Coyotes in cowboy. Stay away from the Arab. But luckily only very few if any in the good bars. Tilac is easy to figure out, the girls up for fun don't use underwear.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1935449]Circled back with full intention to get to NEP. Stopped by Nana Car Park again. Spotted a slim cutie in cutoff shorts sitting in front of Hooters who quick-flashed a lovely smile. Sat down and said Hello,. Immediately got the "Go with you". I was all for that. 21 yo. Claimed she was working in a 7-11. Went over to di Place and did the 300 b check-in. Unwrapped to reveal a sweet little package. Smooth latte-brown tattoo-less skin with modest perky A-cup tits. Not an ounce of fat. No baby. Tight firm rear end. Other than no real kissing, everything else was good. Open to direction. Licked nipples. Then down south for a soft slow blow job. My turn and licked her soft brown teenie nipples. Migrated down to enjoy a natural Bush which responded very well to DATY. Love box was a tight envelope of pleasure. All good stuff.
[/QUOTE]This matches very closely a girl I took recently (name something like "Oh" rising tone), however perhaps not the same one. Like you, I got no real kissing but everything else was reasonably good. I managed to get moderate LFK kissing out of one tall girl Nim (with good big tits), but did not find a girl (Nana freelancer) yet really full on with the DFK. In contrast, gogo girls from Nana gave me full on DFK (really sweet lovey-dovey types), with no problems at all, but cost double the price, or more, including BF and drinks. If I could find a full on GFE and pretty freelancer at freelancer prices, I could be really happy.

I think you can find a small number of really cute girls at Thermae, if willing to stay a bit longer. Whether they can be as good as my best gogo girls, I am yet to determine. I am concerned about them not really wanting Farangs and being quick turnover girls with no stamina.

My last gogo girl, skinny Nott (aged about 22) from Suzi Wong (known her for years) was so horny Sunday night, I definitely could not see any difference from being a very horny GF at that time of month just before the period when they want it badly. I believe she got 2 cums in DATY and two in cowgirl position. Was the best session ever with her. She is a mother but in good condition other than tits a little saggy. Probably have fucked her up to 20 times over the years, so we know each other well. Lost count. She is still a bit shy, and doesn't want to hear my comments on how horny she was, as though it is not seemly for a girl to be so horny (on occasion). "Ngian" in Thai means horny, but it is not considered a polite word, so I cannot say to the girl she was "ngian". Even "mee arom" (having the mood or desire) is less direct and more polite but still makes her blush. That is the safer phrase to use, when I want to tease her. If I said "ngian", she would probably hit me (not too forcefully).

So my quest is to find some freelancers than can be just as good as my best gogo girls. A little bit hard to get both the looks and the total GFE but not impossible. Keep hunting. I need to get a lucky pick in Thermae next try. Last girl there was good except for microbe phobia so could not get even close to kissing.

I hate when a girl will suck dick no problem but scared to have your tongue in her mouth. I don't see the logic in it. Many Viruses are airborne and easily contracted just by breathing on the girls face. Kissing makes little practical difference. I hopefully don't have bad breath as do not smoke or drink beer and clean mouth very thoroughly including the tongue (important). Plenty of girls are enthusiastic for the DFK. I guess these girls may be girls of significantly longer and broader sexual experience, compared to average young part time free lancer. I do recall some fabulous GFE all night girls from Thermae of yesteryear long gone by.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1935522]Matches my perception. Have by mistake wandered into Spice Girls one evening, lovely young girls but no sex in sight, so for sure there are Coyotes in cowboy. Stay away from the Arab. But luckily only very few if any in the good bars. Tilac is easy to figure out, the girls up for fun don't use underwear.[/QUOTE]Had one funny experience, a while back. At Crazy house I decided finally to try fucking Kratae, a coffee coloured skin girl that looks a bit like Rihanna, has worked at CH since it opened. Shortist hair and killer tight body dances nude, a few tats. When I mentioned barfining her, she say she preferred to go to a disco. I was surprised. She did not say directly that she does not fuck, or had a period, or a pussy problem, so I don't know what was going on. Could have been age problem. Maybe she already heard rumours about me not being a quick easy fuck. I sort of assumed all CH girls fuck, but can't be certain. Always possible to get a knock back for one reason or another. Anyway she was more interested in getting drinks from as many customers as possible that night.

I have recently learned she has no Thai ID Card, and sometimes tries to borrow one from another girl. It was suggested she is old enough, but possibly is not real Thai (her look is unusual). Can also be simply that a girl has never had an ID card, because they have to through a process with various evidence documents back in the home town to get one. Another possibility is card was lost and girl has not had opportunity to go through all the processes to get a new one.

Was funny when she wanted to borrow ID Card from Oom (91). The two girls don't look remotely similar really to my eye. Very different skin colour for a start. Perhaps Hotels do not check ID card matches the girl too closely.

I like to talk to the girls on skype before I meet them so they can tease me with pictures and on webcam so I have some good girls from Bangkok on Skype.

If any of you have any good bangkokgirls on skype we can do I trade but I am only interested in young girls so no one over like 27.

I have both to bargirls but mostly independent girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935622]This matches very closely a girl I took recently (name something like "Oh" rising tone), however perhaps not the same one. Like you, I got no real kissing but everything else was reasonably good. I managed to get moderate LFK kissing out of one tall girl Nim (with good big tits), but did not find a girl (Nana freelancer) yet really full on with the DFK. In contrast, gogo girls from Nana gave me full on DFK (really sweet lovey-dovey types), with no problems at all, but cost double the price, or more, including BF and drinks. If I could find a full on GFE and pretty freelancer at freelancer prices, I could be really happy.

I think you can find a small number of really cute girls at Thermae, if willing to stay a bit longer. Whether they can be as good as my best gogo girls, I am yet to determine. I am concerned about them not really wanting Farangs and being quick turnover girls with no stamina.
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So my quest is to find some freelancers than can be just as good as my best gogo girls. A little bit hard to get both the looks and the total GFE but not impossible. Keep hunting. I need to get a lucky pick in Thermae next try. Last girl there was good except for microbe phobia so could not get even close to kissing.

I hate when a girl will suck dick no problem but scared to have your tongue in her mouth. I don't see the logic in it. <SNIP>[/QUOTE]Probably the same girl as name is a near match to what I heard. Very yummy body and quite a sweetie, ya? She was a rather tight fit for me, so surprised she had the stamina for you. Viva imported lube!

I too wish I got more passionate sessions out of freelancers. When I compare the variables at play in the go-go with those in a freelance pickup situation, the most common variance is alcohol. Before I take out a go-go girl, she will have typically consumed at least 2 shots of tequila via lady drinks. First time I took #4 Jane out of CH she had 4 tequilas (circa 1 shot per 11 kg by my estimate) and stopped for a shot of yaa dong before we made our way to Asoke Place where I was sexually assaulted. I don't imagine she would have been giving my ass such a vigorous tongue lashing if she would have been sipping water as most Thermae girls do (if they have anything). Thai girls just don't have the software for sexual passion in my experience. My suspicion is that a freelancer could be as good (or even better) than any go go bar girl. A couple of "leg openers" before departing Thermae or Nana Parking Lot would go a long way to creating a more dynamic session, I suspect. That is one thing I like about the cart bars. My favorite 40 kg cart bar girl performs much better after downing a can of her favorite beer Lao, so I will stop off at 711 and pick up a can for her before we do an outside meet up. My experience with the Thermae-type freelancers is that they want to get out of the bar as soon as possible, so this makes for a "dry" session, so you really need to read the thread on Sexually Stimulating Women to manufacture a better session. This is what I did with the Car Park girl last night with some of my patented DATY. Huhuhu.

Agree about the contradictions. I had a girl who had her tongue, lips and mouth engorged into every orifice of my body the previous night, but was totally grossed out when I offered her my toothbrush in the morning. WTF. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1935830]Probably the same girl as name is a near match to what I heard. Very yummy body and quite a sweetie, ya? She was a rather tight fit for me, so surprised she had the stamina for you. Viva imported lube!

I too wish I got more passionate sessions out of freelancers. When I compare the variables at play in the go-go with those in a freelance pickup situation, the most common variance is alcohol. Before I take out a go-go girl, she will have typically consumed at least 2 shots of tequila via lady drinks. First time I took #4 Jane out of CH she had 4 tequilas (circa 1 shot per 11 kg by my estimate) and stopped for a shot of yaa dong before we made our way to Asoke Place where I was sexually assaulted. [/QUOTE]Right she did not really have the stamina for me. Wasn't my favorite. Quite good at joking around though.

You make an important point. The freelancers could be better with a few tequilas in them. If they don't drink at all, could be an issue.

CH No. 4 Jane is one of the really excellent sexy GFE girls and hot ass. I don't know if she even needs any alcohol. Could have been 1 shot per 10 Kg. More than enough. Only weakness is small tits. She does excellent cowgirl (I guess that is how you got raped). I took her to Asoke Place as well. Highly recommended girl naturally. Guys have to be fast. She does not last long at all. I don't know if Jane ever had the record for most customers, since she has many regulars and they probably take her LT, but I think Jane is up there with the very quickest girls to get barfined.

Having thought my CH favorite Donut must have some benefactor looking after her, since missing for many weeks, I finally got the message today she returns to Bangkok tomorrow, and we had a chat about tomorrow. Jane is probably superior on the bed compared to Donut, but Donut has great model body (still just A cups) and very pretty face for me, and is into sex.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1935830]Probably the same girl as name is a near match to what I heard. Very yummy body and quite a sweetie, ya? She was a rather tight fit for me, so surprised she had the stamina for you. Viva imported lube!

she will have typically consumed at least 2 shots of tequila via lady drinks. First time I took #4 Jane out of CH she had 4 tequilas (circa 1 shot per 11 kg by my estimate) and stopped for a shot of YAA DONG before we made our way to Asoke Place where I was sexually assaulted.

Agree about the contradictions. I had a girl who had her tongue, lips and mouth engorged into every orifice of my body the previous night, but was totally grossed out when I offered her my toothbrush in the morning. WTF. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Hey mate,

Kindly guide me what is this Yaa dong its been multiple questions I've asked on the Thai thread again and again but no one has still guided me where to find it how to get it. I am a purely FL'are guy I don't even venture in a go go bar or strip club not have been there for the past 15 yrs for me its clubs and bars and pickups simple and easy but I want this Yaa dong in my home in Thailand or other places to make women horny as hell.

Guide me mate guide me and we shall have a night to party next time I'm in Thailand you will remember.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935629]Had one funny experience, a while back. At Crazy house I decided finally to try fucking Kratae, a coffee coloured skin girl that looks a bit like Rihanna, has worked at CH since it opened. Shortist hair and killer tight body dances nude, a few tats. When I mentioned barfining her, she say she preferred to go to a disco. I was surprised. She did not say directly that she does not fuck, or had a period, or a pussy problem, so I don't know what was going on. Could have been age problem. Maybe she already heard rumours about me not being a quick easy fuck. I sort of assumed all CH girls fuck, but can't be certain. Always possible to get a knock back for one reason or another. Anyway she was more interested in getting drinks from as many customers as possible that night.[/QUOTE]I took her ST about 2 or 3 years ago. Can't remember if I checked her ID back then but had no Problem at the hotel. She's hot but was a starfish in bed. You didn't miss a lot.

And she didn't know who Rihanna is or at least pretended so.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1935858]Hey mate,

Kindly guide me what is this Yaa dong its been multiple questions I've asked on the Thai thread again and again but no one has still guided me where to find it how to get it. I am a purely FL'are guy I don't even venture in a go go bar or strip club not have been there for the past 15 yrs for me its clubs and bars and pickups simple and easy but I want this Yaa dong in my home in Thailand or other places to make women horny as hell.

Guide me mate guide me and we shall have a night to party next time I'm in Thailand you will remember.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yaa Dong, is a herbal alcoholic drink, served at bars to the ladies for free, to loosen their inhibitions so they can work more Raunchy instead of being a shy timid thing, or a deer in the headlights. Some girls change from being very prim and a proper girl to become a really slutty type (a bit too raunchy). Some start to have garbled slurred unintelligible speech.

I don't think their is anything special about it. Just the alcohol makes them drunk. I have tasted it. It was a little sweet, herbal and spices, maybe having cloves and cinnamon and other things, could be made from Lao Khao (crude white spirit), but not at schnapps strength by any means. I could imagine the girls finding it yummy and easy to drink. So they get tipsy easily.

Chartreuse is a strong herbal liquor, but Yaa Dong is weaker and a bit more spicy flavoured like Cinnamon.

For some girls, a few drinks is a big leg opener. They can go from very disinterested on the bed to full on DFK and horny fuck. For others, that are good on the bed when sober, too many drinks can make them sleepy and inactive, or turn there behavior too much in the wild cat direction. My experience with May Lee at Crazy House was she was rather weak on the bed the first time sober. 2nd time after a few tequilas, she seemed very horny and was suddenly a really enthusiastic fuck and kisser. With Noi, another girl, she was good sober, or a small number of drinks, but woeful when drunk. Oom is a great fuck on the bed, but a bit shy for working in the bar. She always takes a few Yaa Dongs before she starts work. If tipsy is not so concerned about her body being seen or even being groped a bit.

So be careful to choose girls that are not too inebriated. If girl is not shy in the first place, she may not need any alcohol. I certainly don't need any myself.

One day, when a police visit was expected, the Yaa Dong bucket was hidden away. I have tried it at two bars: Crazy House and Mercury. Quite similar at each place. I don't know if it home made or purchased from elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1935766]I like to talk to the girls on skype before I meet them so they can tease me with pictures and on webcam so I have some good girls from Bangkok on Skype.

If any of you have any good bangkokgirls on skype we can do I trade but I am only interested in young girls so no one over like 27.

I have both to bargirls but mostly independent girls.[/QUOTE]I think a limited number of Thai girls use Skype. Most Thais can't even get close to pronouncing Skype. LOL.
LINE App is much more common. It is used on Smart Phone but can also be installed on Laptop. There are lots of other Apps that are used. I don't know them all. All my girl contacts are on LINE or What's App. Most girls will specify a LINE contact much more than a Skype one.

[QUOTE=TravelA;1935879]I took her ST about 2 or 3 years ago. Can't remember if I checked her ID back then but had no Problem at the hotel. She's hot but was a starfish in bed. You didn't miss a lot.

And she didn't know who Rihanna is or at least pretended so.[/QUOTE]I recall the waitress warned me that Kratae was no good, and not to take her too. She probably likes very young handsome customers better than me.

I guess she must have lost her ID card in recent times, and failed to get a new one as yet, since wanted to borrow one from Oom. Oom is very energetic on the bed, I can hardly keep up with the power levels she likes. I can make her cum sometimes but not always. She doesn't get there easy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1936203]I think a limited number of Thai girls use Skype. Most Thais can't even get close to pronouncing Skype. LOL.
LINE App is much more common. It is used on Smart Phone but can also be installed on Laptop. There are lots of other Apps that are used. I don't know them all. All my girl contacts are on LINE or What's App. Most girls will specify a LINE contact much more than a Skype one.[/QUOTE]I know ALL the girls are talking about line but I can't use it on my phone couse I have a girlfriend here in sweden so I have to use the computer to talk to the girls.

I don't think LINE works on a laptop??

But I still have manage to get in contact to a fair couple of good girls thrue skype but I like to use Line as well.

A couple of months back there was someone here writng about a datingapp that he used in thailand that showed him girls nearby his location but I can't find that post.

Any of you remeber that post and know the app? Was that line too?

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1935830]Thai girls just don't have the software for sexual passion in my experience.[/QUOTE]That has been my experience as well. The software is lacking in eroticism, fantasy, seduction, and kink as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1936235]That has been my experience as well. The software is lacking in eroticism, fantasy, seduction, and kink as well.[/QUOTE]You really picked out the least meaningful line of his whole article that I had ignored.

Perhaps I am not the best person to judge, as have had only one Western Girlfriend, who was somewhat passionate when first met her, but she lacked experience (virgin never even played with herself). Eroticism, fantasy, seduction, and kink? No not really any of those. A boring fuck in the end. Thai girlfriends and Philippean girlfriends have been a lot better, overall. In my country the girls are far too bossy, too plain, and too boring. Sexy? Not really for me. In the modern day, the standard improved dramatically, but I am in the wrong generation for the modern young ones.

When it comes to hookers, on average Thai hookers well chosen, are significantly more passionate than western hookers, especially in my home country where 90% of hookers were complete duds. East European Hookers and Latin hookers, much better. Yes Thai girls are a bit plain and vanilla and not so wild on average with a few exceptions. However passionately sexual GFE is not at all hard to come by. Obviously hookers don't need to seduce much but plenty are acting extremely raunchy in bars to hook customers, despite their very average looks. It must be erotic for some guys even if doesn't appeal to me. Many guys pick the raunchiest ugliest girls, looking for the fantasy or kink I guess.

I have certainly know a few Thai girls who really know how to flaunt their sexiness. Sad to lose these types if they retired. Both AR and myself mentioned the case of CH No. 4 Jane, who knows very well how to ooze sexiness, eroticism, etc. and passion. Fantasy and Kink, I don't know. Sure Jane is far from average, but we cannot just pick any old girl whatever country or circumstance we are in. I don't know why many other girls cannot learn to be like Jane. Just too dumb or just don't like fucking. Whether in Europe or in Thailand, I do observe hookers that try to learn and try to get better and better. Sadly it is too few of them, that are smart enough to keep improving like that. However I find the Asian girls overall more passionate, even if lacking advanced skills. East European hookers probably win out for skills but not for sexual passion. Latinas are specially great for passion and kissing.

We really have to cultivate some chemistry with girls, before we can expect their sexiest most passionate behavior to come out. Quickly rushing off with freelancers (the topic) met 5 minutes earlier is not conducive to getting this. In a long MP booking, for the first time, you start at zero, but can use the first 15 to 30 minutes to build some chemistry so things can decidedly head towards a great encounter. Wrong interactions, and it can quickly go bad.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1936233]
I don't think LINE works on a laptop??
[/QUOTE]Yes it does, but LINE requires a cell phone set up first. Once it is up and running on the cell, all other devices (laptop and desktop) will synchronize automatically. I really like Line. It is an indispensable way to communicate with Thai and Indonesian girls both in country and when I am not in Asia. All Thai girls that I know with cell phones have it. PI girls prefer Viber. Chinese girls like WeChat. My suggestion to you is get yourself a cheap smart phone at Pantip Plaza so you can take advantage of this app without putting your GF relationship back home at risk.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1936311]Yes it does, but LINE requires a cell phone set up first. Once it is up and running on the cell, all other devices (laptop and desktop) will synchronize automatically. I really like Line. It is an indispensable way to communicate with Thai and Indonesian girls both in country and when I am not in Asia. All Thai girls that I know with cell phones have it. PI girls prefer Viber. Chinese girls like WeChat. My suggestion to you is get yourself a cheap smart phone at Pantip Plaza so you can take advantage of this app without putting your GF relationship back home at risk.[/QUOTE]I have set up LINE on a Windows 7 desktop, and even a LINUX desktop. There is a LINE extension for Google Chrome browser as well. Currently, I use it exclusively on my 'droid tablet, which is where I think it excels. Smart phones are too small, but they work for all of the Thai girls I chat with on the other end. But, the interface really comes into its own on the larger screen of a tablet. You can can get it for iPad as well. I tried it on my son's iPad and it works great on it, as well.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1936233]I know ALL the girls are talking about line but I can't use it on my phone couse I have a girlfriend here in sweden so I have to use the computer to talk to the girls.
[/QUOTE]Does that really make logical sense? Different device, so what? My GF can't open my LINE App whether phone or Computer. It is protected. I do have multiple phones, multiple SIMs, etc.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1936183]Yaa Dong, is a herbal alcoholic drink, served at bars to the ladies for free, to loosen their inhibitions so they can work more Raunchy instead of being a shy timid thing, or a deer in the headlights. Some girls change from being very prim and a proper girl to become a really slutty type (a bit too raunchy). Some start to have garbled slurred unintelligible speech.

I don't think their is anything special about it. Just the alcohol makes them drunk. I have tasted it. It was a little sweet, herbal and spices, maybe having cloves and cinnamon and other things, could be made from Lao Khao (crude white spirit), but not at schnapps strength by any means. I could imagine the girls finding it yummy and easy to drink. So they get tipsy easily.

Chartreuse is a strong herbal liquor, but Yaa Dong is weaker and a bit more spicy flavored like Cinnamon..[/QUOTE]I've been hunting and picking pussy all my life in FL'are bars in BKK, HK, Guangzhou, Sgh, Sing, KL and now Dubai. If a WG does not drink I just do not take her even if she is Kim Kardishan I will not take her, to me the WG has to loose her inhibitions in a bar so I make her drink what she likes whatever from wine to whiskey to chocolate tequila to honey jack denials just to loosen her up and then the mandatory DFK in the club if she is ready for the DFK and they are coming constantly its time to hit the bed. The best of the best have been BKK and now that you get Latino pussy also in BKK its more fun and I've had some awesome Thai women my choice is not for the prettiest or youngest she has to look good and then super crazy in the club someone who is crazy in club will be awesome back home. I was a true fan of Novotel Siam square now it has closed down wish it opens soon and then bamboo bar I've had some crazy Thai chicks from there.

Thanks for the info mate: will catch up soon with you when in BKK.

Cheers.

I hate Line app. It's so childish with the teddy bear and bunny rabbit and stupid cartoons. I was hoping that it would die out and people would move over to Facebook messenger but it seems in Thailand we're stuck with it. If it's good for whoring though I suppose I'll have to start using it.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1936233]I know ALL the girls are talking about line but I can't use it on my phone couse I have a girlfriend here in sweden so I have to use the computer to talk to the girls.

I don't think LINE works on a laptop??
[/QUOTE]There's a Line app for Windows 10.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1936461]There's a Line app for Windows 10.[/QUOTE]Holy fuck did not know that thank you!!

A quick update on Wood bar (formerly Dr Bi's Salon). We have been working through some integration procedures with the new majority shareholder and things are progressing well. There have been some changes to staff but no major shifts in numbers. The marketing of the changes is going very well and customer numbers are as good as we hoped for at this time of year. If any readers have any questions please feel free to field them here.

Regards,

BJ

Will be headed to BKK in a few weeks and staying at the Rumachitt Hotel, above Thermae bar. Mostly interested in massages and freelancers. I've been looking at Bangkok Craigslist and found some pretty cute freelancers, some claiming to be 18 or 19.

I know the legal age is 18, but I can't get this gut feeling out that some girls might try to pull a scam or something.

I'll definitely confirm every girl's age, and have the hotel take their ID. I've RTFF and noted that it's better to pay after the deed is done, to prevent girls from just getting up and leaving early.

Anything else I should be aware of, that'll save me a huge headache om my trip?

[QUOTE=*****man;1936361]I hate Line app. It's so childish with the teddy bear and bunny rabbit and stupid cartoons. I was hoping that it would die out and people would move over to Facebook messenger but it seems in Thailand we're stuck with it. If it's good for whoring though I suppose I'll have to start using it.[/QUOTE]LOL. Some of us like the bear / eomjii's.

[QUOTE=DrBJ;1936644]A quick update on Wood bar (formerly Dr BJ's Salon). We have been working through some integration procedures with the new majority shareholder and things are progressing well. There have been some changes to staff but no major shifts in numbers. The marketing of the changes is going very well and customer numbers are as good as we hoped for at this time of year. If any readers have any questions please feel free to field them here.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]Nothing to add about the Chrome Bar?

Wood Bar (euphemistically):
[URL]http://www.bestbarsukhumvit.com/[/URL]
Website has a link to Annies at the bottom.

This webpage has pics of the two bars (see Soi Eden):
[URL]http://www.bangkokeyes.com/2016aug01.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=DannyPants0000;1936769]Will be headed to BKK in a few weeks and staying at the Rumachitt Hotel, above Thermae bar. Mostly interested in massages and freelancers. I've been looking at Bangkok Craigslist and found some pretty cute freelancers, some claiming to be 18 or 19.

I know the legal age is 18, but I can't get this gut feeling out that some girls might try to pull a scam or something.

I'll definitely confirm every girl's age, and have the hotel take their ID. I've RTFF and noted that it's better to pay after the deed is done, to prevent girls from just getting up and leaving early.

Anything else I should be aware of, that'll save me a huge headache om my trip?[/QUOTE]Be especially vigilant about checking ID if you take a girl form Crazy House.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1936311]Yes it does, but LINE requires a cell phone set up first. Once it is up and running on the cell, all other devices (laptop and desktop) will synchronize automatically. I really like Line. It is an indispensable way to communicate with Thai and Indonesian girls both in country and when I am not in Asia. All Thai girls that I know with cell phones have it. PI girls prefer Viber. Chinese girls like WeChat. My suggestion to you is get yourself a cheap smart phone at Pantip Plaza so you can take advantage of this app without putting your GF relationship back home at risk.[/QUOTE]I love Line and its emojis. I even bought by reg Thai GF a stuffed Brown (the bear). She sends me pics of her cuddling with it in her underwear.

I do however, have a couple of issues with the app.

1) How do you contact someone after they have left a chat with you? I can't seem to find their profiles in my contact list.

2) When you add your line account to a new device doesn't it remove your line account form your old device (thereby wiping out your chats and contacts)? This feature really sucks.

If any of you guys know how to resolve these two issues I'd be very grateful.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1937163]Be especially vigilant about checking ID if you take a girl form Crazy House.[/QUOTE]Did you find any problem like that recently? I thought that was a thing of the past, before the latest crack down. Its just too risky in the current time, I would have thought, even though the bar knows when the Police are coming, typically.

I am a little confused about the required age though. Some places seem to insist on 20 year olds (minimum) these days.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1937165]
1) How do you contact someone after they have left a chat with you? I can't seem to find their profiles in my contact list.
[/QUOTE]Someone has "left the room". This means they shut down their ID, and started a new ID more than likely, or could be they blocked conversations with you. Either way there ID and profile goes away, and you left with "Empty Room". Could be caused by girl switching to a new phone handset.

Decided to check out some bars very late. Initially went to Suzi Wong looking for Nott. She wasn't working so no point to even go in.

Looked in Lighthouse. No topless girls. The Coyote outfits were really ugly, lacking smooth body hugging material. The bikini girls were nothing special. Plenty of girls and reasonable customer levels, but no girls of interest. Best part was music was good for aged customers like me.

Checked the Freelancers at Soi 4 carpark. A couple of cute little things but I did not buy. One looked reasonable. Asked if she would provide nice kissing, since have been struggling to get that. She said yes for an increased price. WTF? That killed my mood. Freelancers just come across as too business like. Good Gogo girls seem to give me much better, lately. maybe its the leg opening drinks doing the trick. Business is tough. Customers are lacking. Freelancers are stone cold sober, not in a party mood. Not so easy to find a really good GFE one. I can see the advantage to picking up girls at discos and music venues where they have been drinking hopefully.

Visited Billboard. Line up well down from standard of previous visits. Maybe too late with best girls BFed long ago. Tina who I liked last visit was not there. Without any stunners, Billboard becomes a boring bar as do most bars.

Next Twisters. Line up okay To good, even though some of the best girls clearly gone already. Got there at 1. 30 AM (was only 30 minutes before close at 2 am). Other bars stay open later. Saw one girl with pantyhose on the right side. She was topless and had very beautiful mid sized tits. I was assured she was barfinable for sex (for Eih Tooms) but face not my spec. So I still don't think pantyhose is a thing worth worrying about much. Girl I barfined last time was not there. I thought 143 looked great but did not have time to suss her out. Chatted to tall Coyote Nam Bpan. She said customers were down a bit after being packed out the previous night.

Quick visit to mercury followed after Twisters closed. Two coyotes in there said they moved from Billboard simply because Billboard had too many girls and was hard to get any customers. Both looked reasonably good but not stunning by any means. Same story as from my ex Billboard girl Tukata. The high rate of girl attrition in Billboard, may not be having the desired effect to retain the lookers. The bar needs to consider how many girls is enough based on the customer levels. Crazy House started up with a small line up of very pretty girls. Girl badge numbers in Billboard go right up to 9 hundreds. Because each hundred range is a different dancing group or category, I don't know. My girl Tukata was number 826, but gone now.

Finally spent a time at a Cart Bar "Easy Bar" located between Soi 15 and Soi 17, near to Krung Sri Ayuttaya ATM. No where near as good as this cart bar was when it was located close to Cowboy. Chatted to a girl Biw moved from the previous location. She wasn't drunk so this improved her character a lot. I hoped she would pass on my LINE contact info to Noi, another cutie girl used to work Easy Bar, with the most amazing high but real tits.

Overall assessment is I hate going out after midnight. Talent levels drop everywhere. You are much better off to start at 9 PM. Went home unfucked. Did not look in Crazy House. In fact have not BFed a girl in CH for 5 weeks. That is how uninspiring it has been. Definitely in decline, meaning how good are the best 6 girls, present. I don't care about all the average or below average girls. My favourite is in BKK but she has not recommenced at CH.

Suzi Wong bar will close in 3 days and be taken over by Baccara. Baccara 2? Japanese rule.

Some girls could move to Dollhouse which has less girls and less customers. Dollhouse has some lookers and low on sirgeries but a quite boring bar for atmosphere. Some Suzi Wong girls are too ugly to move to Dollhouse or too fat. Not sure which bar is best for the less attractive ones. I think its the lack of extra young girls that has killed off the customer numbers in some bars, not meaning that I want extra young girls . I took a girl who has a 6 year old son today.

Today one Crazy House girl was dropped off by Thai boy and her son maybe 4 year old on motorcycle. Fortunately not a girl that appealed to me. Its dampens how hot you feel a girl is.

Had some spare time the other day but it was quite early. Maybe around 6 pm I could peek into some SC bars but business hadn't started. If any girls were present they were either having supper or playing with their mobile phones. Had a burger at Clubhouse first, decent but a tad expensive. Entered Crazy House just before 7 pm and I was not the first but the second customer. Surprisingly 8-9 girls were already on the stage but not the best selection. Slowly a few customers trickled in but due to a bunch of senior citizens (no offence!) the average age climbed by some 20 to 30 years. With few customers I got full attention from the waitress (s17?) which was a bit of a hassle. She even wanted a lady drink.

Thought about leaving unfucked but then decided to give very slim Nahm (or Nahm-Nahm) a try. She was quite eager to leave the premises after a shot, price was not discussed. Although she seemed to be a bit shy in the bar (as shy as one can be with only two small pieces of cloths on) she was quite active on the bed. Body as expected, very skinny and zero tits but that day, that was ok. Responsive to DATY but the usual "I don't want to come yet". Despite no DFK still kind of GFE because overall attitude was nice. After a good session in various positions she used my hand to finish herself off. Haven't had that before.

So it is also possible to arrive early but as pointed out before, after 8 pm certainly is a better time to visit.

Hi guys,

I'm a new poster so I thought I should introduce myself a little bit: I'm in my late 30's, from Germany and I am quite new to the Mongering business. I have been to Thailand only once last year and I have been reading this great Forum for a few weeks now as part of my intelligence gathering operation for my next Thailand trip early October.

Last year I stopped over for two days in Bangkok at my return from Phuket. It was like a revelation for me! On the first day I stumbled into ez2 and picked a girl from the lineup. At first I wasn't that impressed, until she took off her clothes. Wow, what a cute Girl. She said her name was May, 19, and a body like a goddess. She gave me a nice massage, the main action was really nice although I don't remember all the details but I surely do remember the great view when she was riding me in cowgirl position. Ona and a half hour and two shots later I left the venue with a big smile on my face (maybe that's why Thailand is known as the land of smile.). So my first adventure in BKK was already a nice success, a great way to be introduced to a new city.

Needless to say that on this Thailand trip I reserved a few more days in BKK before going anywhere else.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1937362]Today one Crazy House girl was dropped off by Thai boy and her son maybe 4 year old on motorcycle. Fortunately not a girl that appealed to me. Its dampens how hot you feel a girl is.[/QUOTE]I would wager at least 75% of the gals working in Cowboy have Thai boyfriends.

[QUOTE=DrBJ;1936644]A quick update on Wood bar (formerly Dr Bi's Salon). We have been working through some integration procedures with the new majority shareholder and things are progressing well. There have been some changes to staff but no major shifts in numbers. The marketing of the changes is going very well and customer numbers are as good as we hoped for at this time of year. If any readers have any questions please feel free to field them here.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]Google translate.

The new majority shareholder is a real prick who is impossible to get along with. Business is dire because we have the same old crew.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1937183]...Checked the Freelancers at Soi 4 carpark. A couple of cute little things but I did not buy. One looked reasonable. Asked if she would provide nice kissing, since have been struggling to get that. She said yes for an increased price. WTF? That killed my mood. Freelancers just come across as too business like. Good Gogo girls seem to give me much better, lately. maybe its the leg opening drinks doing the trick. Business is tough. Customers are lacking. Freelancers are stone cold sober, not in a party mood. Not so easy to find a really good GFE one. I can see the advantage to picking up girls at discos and music venues where they have been drinking hopefully.

...Next Twisters. Line up okay To good, even though some of the best girls clearly gone already. Got there at 1. 30 AM (was only 30 minutes before close at 2 am). Other bars stay open later. Saw one girl with pantyhose on the right side. She was topless and had very beautiful mid sized tits. I was assured she was barfinable for sex (for Eih Tooms) but face not my spec. So I still don't think pantyhose is a thing worth worrying about much. Girl I barfined last time was not there. I thought 143 looked great but did not have time to suss her out. Chatted to tall Coyote Nam Bpan. She said customers were down a bit after being packed out the previous night.[/QUOTE]Stopped in Twisters last night about 10 pm and was swamped by heavy ladydrink "buy me drink?" pressure from the dancers circulating around, the waitresses, mamasan (or whatever some of those women are). Girl jumped on my lap and wouldn't get off. Must have asked me 10 times for a drink. Many pantyhose girls on the left side stage. None seen leaving with a customer in the hour or so I was there.

Who assured you the pantyhose girl you saw was barfineable for sex? A waitress or the girl herself? Remember, I was assured by a mamasan (or whatever she was) on my first visit that the pantyhose girls did not even barfine, only dance and get ladydrinks. I have still yet to read a field report on this or other similar sites of someone barfining a pantyhose girl anywhere in the city and getting sex. But, like you, I have heard other girls say, oh no, the pantyhose girls barfine and have sex with customers. Then again, most girls working side-by-side with pantyhose girls are surprised to discover they are wearing pantyhose until I point it out. Most go-go girls and waitresses haven't even heard of a "BJ Bar", despite several of them being located within 10 minutes walk from where they have worked for years, and are shocked to discover what goes on inside of them for a mere 700-800 baht, everything included, small tip only optional.

So I wouldn't put much trust in the observations and testimony of waitresses or even about some dancers' closest co-workers. They really have no idea what is openly going on around them, what is actually happening in their business, the competition, anything, except who might or might not buy them a ladydrink in the next few minutes, much less what goes on with other girls behind closed doors.

On the kissing thing, I had a similar situation last night! LOL. I went into Rainbow 4, RB 4 or whatever it's called now on the same corner as Twister, called down a girl for a drink and interview. When she asked if I would barfine her, one early question I ask is if she would be ok for me to kiss her everywhere. She smiled as though that was a wonderful idea, gestured all around her body and said, "Yes, I like you to kiss me everywhere. But," she added, "not on my face," pointing to her entire face. LOL. WTF, indeed. I thanked her for her time, paid up and left. Oh, and she only had cola in her ladydrink, which probably relates to what you were saying about stone cold sober girls.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1937518]I would wager at least 75% of the gals working in Cowboy have Thai boyfriends.[/QUOTE]I don't need to see to husband and kid.

I am not sure that as many as 75% of gogo girls with a child have the father still around. A lot of single mothers in the industry.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1937582]I don't need to see to husband and kid.

I am not sure that as many as 75% of gogo girls with a child have the father still around. A lot of single mothers in the industry.[/QUOTE]Did not say they have a child with the father still around. Said they had Thai boyfriends. Different altogether.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1937552]Stopped in Twisters last night about 10 pm ... Many pantyhose girls on the left side stage. None seen leaving with a customer in the hour or so I was there.
[/QUOTE]EihTooms, my interest in Twisters has been awakened. It was not open for business the last time I was in BKK so I will check the place out when I return and you can bet your last baht that if they got talent I like there, I will definitively find out if they barfine or not.

In the old RB4, where Twisters now exists, I was attracted to a number of girls on the right hand stage. I thought some of those girls were really hot even though that was the stage where the girls wore tops, but also where the girls had the prettiest faces, the tightest bodies and small breasts. The topless girls on the left hand stage were usually much larger and not my type. I know other punters might totally disagree with my taste. 555.

Anyway, I am looking forward to checking out the talent in this new bar. I don't care if a girl is Coyote or not. All I care about is looks and then seeing if something happens. I will write off the bar if I get nowhere a couple of times, but for now I remain optimistic about my chances.