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The new airport is being tested and some speculate if it will work... It has to work and it will. It is a huge accomplishment for Thailand and the new airport is much needed...
From the Post:
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.net/News/30Jul2006_news01.php[/url]
juices
the traveler,
speech is silver, but silence is golden.
giotto
[QUOTE=The Traveler]
I also noticed that Member #2041 wording ("imbecile", "stupid", "blatant stupidity") indicates some sort of aggression, but ignored it. Wonder why someone who is able to express himself so eloquent needs to do that.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he doesn't like you.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]
If everybody would think like you, nothing would matter anymore. Who knows, maybe you are the first one who goes bareback with her. [/QUOTE]
LOL! This is one of the funniest statements I have seen on this forum.
[QUOTE=The Traveler] You also said that nobody should act depending on other people's behaviour but now you use their behaviour as an argument to justify going bareback. This is inconsistent.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think that any of what I am posting has the slightest bit to do with my behavior? I have already stated that it's my private business, and for all you know, I'm simply playing Pavlov to your pooch.
My point was very specific - that if ANYONE actually uses the posts of other anonymous sorts on an internet forum that purport to describe their own practice or lack thereof of safe sex to make decisions about how they conduct their own business is an imbecile.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]
You are also not in complete control of your own risks - ok you are, you can decide to not partake in this hobby, but if you decide otherwise - there is still a residual risk you can't control no matter how careful you are. Even though this residual risk can never be eliminated, it could be dramatically decreased if everybody would refrain from going bareback.[/QUOTE]
The point, of course, is that by lecturing someone's anonymous handle on an internet forum, you make a contribution to this goal which most certainly asymptotically approaches zero, hence, said lecture is utterly pointless, and in fact, the actions of anyone who is the slightest bit thoughtful would recognize that fact. And if you genuinely believe that such a contribution in any meaningful way alters your own course of behavior, you are a fool.
BTW Traveler, do you spend the rest of your time lecturing Grand Prix racecar drivers that they are endangering themselves, as well as the general public that chooses to attend a race, because they drive so fast?
And of course, the reason I bring up the last point is that this entire discussion up to know has dealt with risk and how to mitigate it. But of course, there is also varying reward that goes along with varying degrees of risk. Just as the aforementioned Grand Prix driver has, by driving fast enough to win, knowingly incurred additional risk, AND added a de minimus incremental risk to the general public at large through their behavior, they most certainly have done it because they perceive a greater reward opportunity at the end. And your assumption that they act because they do not appreciate the risk is entirely invalid - they probably fully well understand the incremental risk, and have judged for themself that the incremental reward justifies the taking of that added risk.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]The new airport is being tested and some speculate if it will work... It has to work and it will. juices[/QUOTE]
Hopefully, the airport itself will remain firmly on the ground, and only the planes coming in and going out will fly.
[QUOTE=Horatio]Maybe he doesn't like you.[/QUOTE]
Horatio,
fat chance, that's an option I was already thinking about :D
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
My point was very specific - that if ANYONE actually uses the posts of other anonymous sorts on an internet forum that purport to describe their own practice or lack thereof of safe sex to make decisions about how they conduct their own business is an imbecile.[/QUOTE]
Member #2041,
as I already said, we agree on that.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
What makes you think that any of what I am posting has the slightest bit to do with my behavior? I have already stated that it's my private business, and for all you know, I'm simply playing Pavlov to your pooch.
[/QUOTE]
In your first post you said you do, but I am well aware of your "cat and mouse game" as 1ball called it.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
The point, of course, is that by lecturing someone's anonymous handle on an internet forum, you make a contribution to this goal which most certainly asymptotically approaches zero, hence, said lecture is utterly pointless, and in fact, the actions of anyone who is the slightest bit thoughtful would recognize that fact. And if you genuinely believe that such a contribution in any meaningful way alters your own course of behavior, you are a fool.
[/QUOTE]
I never said that it will have an impact on my own behaviour. what makes you think like that ?
I am well aware that a post directed at an anonymous handle on an internet forum most likely won't have any effect on his behaviour, but opposite to you, I haven't give up hope that he may at least think about what I say.
People, who have already resigned and given up hope will never change anything. Therefore I keep trying even though it might be in vain. It's like bargaining, if you don't try, you won't get a lower price and it doesn't cost you anything, you can only win.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
And of course, the reason I bring up the last point is that this entire discussion up to know has dealt with risk and how to mitigate it. But of course, there is also varying reward that goes along with varying degrees of risk. Just as the aforementioned Grand Prix driver has, by driving fast enough to win, knowingly incurred additional risk, AND added a de minimus incremental risk to the general public at large through their behavior, they most certainly have done it because they perceive a greater reward opportunity at the end. And your assumption that they act because they do not appreciate the risk is entirely invalid - they probably fully well understand the incremental risk, and have judged for themself that the incremental reward justifies the taking of that added risk.[/QUOTE]
I never made that assumption. I know very well that many people knowingly choose to take risks for their very own reasons. But isn't it selfish ?
Don't we have responsibilities ?
[QUOTE=The Traveler] But isn't it selfish ? Don't we have responsibilities ?[/QUOTE]
According to Adam Smith, self interest is what motivates the world.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]According to Adam Smith, self interest is what motivates the world.[/QUOTE]
True, but in nowadays world - at least in most parts of it - there are limits for that self interest for the good of all. Otherwise factories for example would pollute our environment even more, just to maximize their earnings.
Same applies here, knowingly spreading HIV e.g. is a crime and will be punished with imprisonment.
Do you remember the case of the one-legged German in LOS ? There also have been other cases throughout Europe and the USA.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]The new airport is being tested and some speculate if it will work... It has to work and it will. It is a huge accomplishment for Thailand and the new airport is much needed...
From the Post:
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.net/News/30Jul2006_news01.php[/url]
juices[/QUOTE]Juice,
It seems that the URL no longer exists. So. for members info the new BKK airport (called Suvarnabhumi and pronounced Sawatapoon) will open on Sept. 29, 2006. Yes, I hope it is a great success and that its startup will be problem free.. especially since I will be flying into it from Koh Samui on it opening day
[QUOTE=The Traveler]True, but in nowadays world - at least in most parts of it - there are limits for that self interest for the good of all. [/QUOTE]
Just curious, who appointed you as the arbiter of those limits for all mongers? Certainly, there are other folks who would draw those boundaries at different points, such as engaging in any type of commercial sex whatsoever. And those folks might outnumber you. Certainly, I see no good reason that you should not acquiesce to their desire to control your behavior, any more than I ought acquiesce to your desire to control mine. That's why I take the position that it's not anyone else's position to try to impose their views on others. I do make sure that all of my activities are with fully consenting partners. And I don't bother to consult anyone else for their opinions about it.
I agree that knowingly spreading HIV is a form of assault and ought well be subject to criminal sanctions as such. But that's not what we are talking about, and it's an entirely irrelevant point.
Oldbuthappy,
You ae right the link to the post article does not work. I went to their site and the article was gone, could not find it. I was going to copy and paste but it was a long article and did not want to take too much space.
The article talked about how the progress is coming along but many doubted it would be ready and safe as an operational airport by Sept. The article was somewhat critical of the operation and maybe they had to take it off...
juices
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]...The article was somewhat critical of the operation and maybe they had to take it off...[/QUOTE]
Surely not ? I thought Thailand was a democratic society enjoying freedom of the press :D
Day 9 or so
Things have been going well the past several days. I’ve settled into a routine of waking up around noon, going downstairs for breakfast (sometimes with, sometimes without companion) and then checking my email. After that, it’s a trip to one of the nearby massage parlors. I’ve been to Aviva on Soi 8, Thonglor II on Soi 24, and Love Teen Massage on Soi 33. After that it’s back to Giotto’s for an evening meal and a game or two of pool with a few of his charming girls. Then it’s time for trip to NEP, Soi Cowboy or just hang out at one of the painter’s pubs on Soi 33 to look for some horizontal refreshment. Of course, I’ve sprinkled in some sightseeing around the area to keep some respectability with colleagues and relatives back home who aren’t aware of this particular hobby of mine.
In this post, I just wanted to focus on oily massages I’ve had here so far.
Aviva is a small massage place that is on a side street to the right, as you walk on Soi 8, going away from Sukhumvit. The rooms are small and the beds are low to the ground. There aren’t too many girls there, less than a dozen. The girl I was recommended wasn’t there, so I picked Lisa from the picture album. She was shorter than I expected (4’ and change) and a little chubbier than when her glamour picture was taken. She didn’t speak much English so I used some imaginative hand gestures and that worked well enough. Rather than give a blow by blow exposition, I’ll just say the massage was good. I almost fell asleep at certain relaxing points. The sex, on the other hand, was just fair, as she tended to be more passive and needed prompting. Damage was 600 to the house and I gave 1500 for the special service.
Thonglor II is another Oily place on Soi 24. It’s right by the Emporium and easy to find. It’s a classier place with a Japanese motif and soft music piped in throughout the building. I was asked for my shoes and issued a pair of slippers when I entered. I was then offered a drink and given an album to make my selection. A girl came out with a choice of lotions to sample and smell too. I thought it was a nice touch. They have a large selection of girls, but only about half were working there at the time I visited (around 4pm weekday afternoon). I was going to ask for Pu based on past reviews, but she was busy. Didn’t really see anyone I was interested in but I finally went with Umi. She looked a lot older than her album picture suggested and I almost thought I was a victim of a bait and switch, but she did have a nice athletic figure with a full, enhanced chest. Thinking I might get better action since she wasn’t all that attractive facially, I went for the 2 hour aromatherapy session for 1500 (kinda pricey in my book). This was the wrong choice, but I’ll address that later. As it turned out, the massage wasn’t all that great and the sex was just a mechanical release of tension. I enjoyed my session with Lisa at Aviva much more. Umi just wasn’t very cheery to start with and we didn’t really have any chemistry going during our “get to know you” chat. Wound up giving her 1500 and made as quick an exit as politely possible. In retrospect, I should have gone for a 1.5 hour trial session and upgraded later if things had gone better. Well, live and learn. I won’t be seeing Umi again.
Love Teen on Soi 33 is just up the street from Livingstone’s, same side. Here I had my best session to date in BKK. It’s not as well furnished as Thonglor II but the rooms are larger than Aviva. Love Teen has a “balls massage” specialty where the girls spend some extra time massaging your “meat and two veggies”. I went around 4pm on a Wednesday and there were about 15-18 girls that came out for a line up. I didn't see any stunners and thought the girls were about average to just above average. Fees were 600 to the house for a 1.5 hour session and 1500 to the girl, which I thought it was reasonable. I chose a slender girl named “Pookie”. She has shoulder length brown hair, nice smooth skin with small perky breasts. Things started a little slow, but she gradually opened up as we chatted. Her English wasn’t great, but again, imaginative hand gestures work quite well. Her technique wasn’t too bad and it was a fair massage. The balls massage part felt quite good though and I’d definitely recommend trying it. She used a combination of oils, fingers, palms and her chest to create a really enjoyable sensation. As the massage progressed, I started giving her a massage as well and she really responded to it. We went back and forth for quite a while. Then we started some DFK, licking, and before long sex became a natural part of the massage. Neither of us was watching the clock, and here in this case, that wasn’t quite a good thing. We were just starting to get into the main event when we realized we only had about 15 minutes left. We rushed through several positions but in the end I couldn’t finish. The more pressed for time I feel, the longer it takes for me to come. Just the way I am I guess. I don’t blame Pookie for any wrongdoing. We just had great chemistry, enjoyed massaging each other a bit too much and forgot about the time. Although I didn't come, overall I thought it was a fantastic session and I definitely plan to go back for at least 2 hours to finish the job properly.
I’ve had a few talks with several of the punters I’ve met while staying here and the general consensus is that the goal should not be about finding the right massage place. The goal should be about finding the right girl, at whatever place she may happen to be working.
More to come…
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for directions for posting a link to a specific report.[/blue][/size]