Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Hotman 666]
I went to the same Bar Beer around 3 months later. I did not take her that night . . . . . . . service it would have been impossible, for me at least, to recreate the pleasure of that, first encounter, with her.[/QUOTE]
I did not find this to be the case with a newby from NEP. I was her first or second customer the first day she arrived from SeSaKet. Over the next 2 years I see her, and her energy and passion are remarkable. No burnout and still seems to be enjoying herself. I once read that a tg gets attached somehow with her first few customers. I think it's true because it's all new at first and they haven't built up their defences yet.

there are varous connecting points - pretty much Incheon (Korea), Narita or Osaka (Japan) Taipei (Taiwan) Hong Kong and Singapore for US INBOUND connections. Thai goes direct from LA; the Korean airlines stop in Incheon'. Delta and UAL both go thru Narinta and on Star alliance routes, TG has a better entry out of Narinta (arrfives at 9:45 PM or 1045 once DST goes "off" in Japan and the USA). China and Eva both connect in Taipei and ARRIVE BKK about 11ish AM. I could go look up Cathay (I've never been on them)

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]sounds like a great deal. Any more details? Would save me almost 1000BHT next time.[/QUOTE]

After Immigration go down to the lower ground level. I dont exactly remember the gate but its on the far left if your back is towards the airport when you step out. You'll come across an area with lots of travel desks just near the gate, can get a ticket there and if the bus is ready to leave they will guide you to just hop on. Less than 90 Min to Pattaya Bus Station.

Tickets cost only 124 Baht actually but if you ask for a hotel drop they'll offer you 200 Baht all inclusive, i think it was a fair price.

I believe the bus leaves every hr from 7 am to 7 pm and same case if you leave from pattaya to airport or BKK.The BKK bus station is just 5 BTS station away from Nana and there is BTS station right near the bus station, took me 25 B and a 10 min to get to Nana Station from there.

The journey back from Pattaya to BKK takes a little more time i guess , just about 2.5 hrs as the bus takes a longer route to get to the station rather than entering the city from the nearest entry point.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Good to hear you got a good price on that. She didn't state her price before you barfined her?

I got two girls last week in two different walking street gogos for 1000ST each.

Bargain hard gents![/QUOTE]

Over the 3 nights stay in Pattaya and 2 nights in BKK i brought in a GOGO girl each day. Im not a fan of the freelancer's bcoz i always belive they are on the streets for a reason which i dont wanna know.

Also the idea of standing on the road and trying to bargain does'nt work with me as i always need a little spark before i can take the girl back to my room. A little time at the gogo or beerbar with eye contact and smiles always works for me , sure it costs a lot more than just strolling up and down walking street or beach road and picking up a girl but thts just not me.

About the prices , no did'nt ask her about the price when i barfined her , sometimes i just go with the flow. Actually never asked any of the girls this whole trip and surprisingly never had a problem either.

ST 1000 is pretty much the going price , when you pay a barfine of 600 B , you cant be expecting to pay less than that to the girl.Hate to sleep alone and rush things so ST is not my thing , but all the girls who go for ST have always quoted 1000-1500 B when asked.

However LT always varies , I paid 1500 twice, 2000 B on the last night , girl from Nana plaza gogo charged 3000 but then she was a peach and i just had to have her and the last one from same place took 2500 and stayed till 4 pm with me.

However i make 2 things very clear before the LT

a) I want you till 9 am , if you stays on after no problem , but hate to get up at 6 am and trying to bang the chick to maximize my investment.
b) That i need a massage when we get to room , some think im just joking but for me its almost a ritual to get one before i get into action

Some of-course like to shower alone but most times i would just step in the shower and tell them to give me a good back scrub as well.

Has anybody sat at the bus station and picked up girls that are just coming in?

I have a question to all the Beach Road fans - is this horrible market for worthless consumer goods that has taken over our precious BR here forever? When I was last here a month ago the place was wrecked and now its still the same! Pretty effective way to interfere with our fun - sell a bunch of shirts and snacks and draw crowds of families and other undesirables.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I have a question to all the Beach Road fans - is this horrible market for worthless consumer goods that has taken over our precious BR here forever? When I was last here a month ago the place was wrecked and now its still the same! Pretty effective way to interfere with our fun - sell a bunch of shirts and snacks and draw crowds of families and other undesirables.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid it's going to be that way from time to time but thankfully not all the time in the forseeable future. The authorities want Pattaya to be a family destination. Not to worry. The girls will simply move southward to Walking Street where the crowds and customers are found.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I'm afraid it's going to be that way from time to time but thankfully not all the time in the forseeable future. The authorities want Pattaya to be a family destination. Not to worry. The girls will simply move southward to Walking Street where the crowds and customers are found.[/QUOTE]I may get howls of incredulous laughter for saying this, but IMHO Pattaya is pretty much a family-friendly place already. Most mongers will disagree, as they look at the place through a pink-bits lens. I had plans for a very viable (and fun) business there, which would have meant basing my family there for substantial parts of the year. Unfortunately my wife didn't like the idea. Not sure why. :D

[QUOTE=Piper1]I may get howls of incredulous laughter for saying this, but IMHO Pattaya is pretty much a family-friendly place already. [/QUOTE]
I kinda agree with you on this. Although not 100% family oriented yet, but certainly on it's way there. I see so many more couples and families in Pattaya now days. Years ago when you saw the same they stuck out like sore thumbs. Now they are common place. Today's Pattaya feels very much like Patong beach in Phuket.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I think this says more about Amjeck than it does about working girls in Thailand. Let's refer to this as [b][u]The Amjeck Doctrine.[/u][/b]

Because you see the intellectual laziness in this.

As I groaned under the weight of the bar, doing my extra set of squats in the gym last night, I realized I was wrong. When I first read Amjeck's statements, and Mouse's response, and all that followed, I had thought Amjeck was a hypocrite. On the one hand, he makes grand claims about getting your head out of your ass and seeing the girls for what they are (The Amjeck Doctrine, quotes above). But at the same time, the statements he makes are clearly not in fact true. That is, this Amjeck Doctrine is so obviously provocative and incendiary that he can't possibly believe it. And any cursory analysis of the situation by even a half-wit would reveal that the view espoused by Amjeck is fantasy. (To be clear: I am not calling Amjeck a half-wit, please read on). Hence my initial conclusion that he is a hypocrite: he claims to be the purveyor of truth, whereas he in fact is the ultimate consumer of fantasy. The only difference is that his fantasy is a sick, cruel version that few of us would agree with.

But then I realized I am giving Amjeck (and his ilk) too much credit. The Amjeck Doctrine is a simple one: the girls are all prostitutes, and therefore should be considered as lesser human beings - as some category he calls 'hookers'. Accepting such a view is easy: it's like sitting on the couch eating potato chips. It is far easier to think of them all as prostitutes, not worthy of any emotion, not worthy of a second thought, noth worthy of distinction. It is *easier* to do this than to see who they really are. But this is sheer self-delusion. And it is delusion of a particular kind, one that is very common amongst us humans. Consider two American statesmen:

Joseph McCarthy: "Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity."

George Bush: "See, we love, we love freedom. That's what they didn't understand. They hate things; we love things. They act out of hatred; we don't seek revenge, we seek justice out of love."

A simplified view of the world: us versus them. We are good; they are putrid prostitutes (or evil-doers, or communists, or what have you). It's easy for the average person to understand since it does not require that you exert any effort in talking with them, or treating them fairly, or trying to see the world from their perspective. And it makes treating them badly a morally acceptable thing to do. We can bomb innocent Muslims, but that's ok since they are all cave-dwelling evil-doers. And we can treat the girls poorly, but that's ok because they're all nothing more than lowly prostitutes. Mmm, those potato chips are good...

This all harkens back to a discussion started by Angus Magee a few weeks ago: fantasy versus reality. My fantasty when I am with a working girl (in Thailand or elsewhere) is that I am connecting with her, that we are going to share something special. I know this is fanstasy, but damn it, that's what I want. Mouse refers to this as the GFE, and he is right in pointing out that such an experience is diametrically opposed to the view that these girls are subhuman. But that's the thing: the Amjeck Doctrine is equally a fantasy, and it is the opposite one from mine.

Why would Amjeck engage in such fantasy? I mean, it is entirely his prerogative, but it has puzzled me for the last few months. In thinking about this, I recognized a recurring theme in his posts: Us versus Them. It is WAR! 'You win everytime'. Win what? War with whom? Why is this a battle? Not sure where I am going here, but I find it interesting.

So...if you are such a person, and if you want to insert your penis into as many orifices as you can with the minimal monetary expenditure possible and no lasting attachment to the girls who possess said orifices, and then at the end you can say that you WON...then I would recommend fully embracing the Amjeck Doctrine. You should keep this attitude if you want to treat the girls poorly and with impunity. That's the only way your conscience will allow it.There is nothing wrong with it once you recognize it as the fantasy that it is. His fantasy is no worse than mine - you just need to know who you are and which fantasy suits you best. As just about every Thai lady has ever said to me at some point or the other: Up to you.

But if his view is fantasy, and my view is fantasy, then what is reality? Angus Magee has some interesting thoughts on this, and I can't come close to his wisdom, but I'd like to make just one point. I would say that the reality is that nothing in the natural world is as simple as that. If you honestly want to *understand* the situation (and you may not in fact want this), such black-white dichotomies need to go. And that requires you getting your fat ass off the couch and hitting the gym (in the metaphorical sense). Not all of us can or even want to do this, and so there will always be lazy couch potatoes, no matter what any of us say or do.

Finally, although this post is written as if it is all about Amjeck, it isn't really. It's pretty clear that there is a spectrum of mongers. Amjeck happens to represent one end of that spectrum, and he is courageous for putting his ideas out there. I don't think there is anything wrong with that end of the spectrum, provided you don't end up hurting the working girls in any way that is not part of the norm. I don't think I will ever visit that end of the spectrum, but I am sure there are some of you who will.

This was pretty self righteous, I know - bring on the flames. Mouse, you see, you're not the only one who can be baited.[/QUOTE]Rightly said, Kumbu. I can only speak in general terms about mongering as I've never been to Thailand. But what we get from the hobby differs each to his own needs. I can see the side that says "don't give a penny more than the going rate, and keep your emotions in the back pocket". Its easier said than done for a lot of us.

Some have more resources, and so a small tip to their mind is an outrageous slight against all hobbyists in the minds of others. Some don't need an emotional attachment, however fleeting, to be completely satisfied. Others, myself included, need to feel some slight bond with the girl, (fantasy or not) in order to have a satisfying experience.

I happen to believe that type of bonding creates a more satisfying physical experience. I have had plenty of experiences with girls where I could tell there was absolutely no connection emotionally, and it was always a less than fulfilling transaction. I think Uncle V. Said something about it in one of his posts, even if it isn't real, if the girl can delude you successfully into thinking she's really into you, it's worth the illusion to some of us.

I have a girl I have seen regularly on my trips to LV, a cute little 24 yr. Old thai (she says). She's really good at giving me the feeling that we have some type of friendship, even though I pay her good money for her time. She'll text me occasionally and talks to me on the phone every once in a while. I'm under no illusion that a girl less than half my age is interested in me on a long term basis, but I keep going back to see her just for the feeling that she is a friend and it makes my time with her much more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]Yes indeed!

Time perspective is everything. I am just here on so short a time and trying to squeeze all these experiences in. If I lived here I probably would make the discos part of my regular routine, maybe once or twice a month.

I mean, WTF?? Going out to pick up at the discos after a debauched afternoon at DD (not to mention two morning romps with the girl form the night before).

I must be losing my damn mind!!! LOL. I thought you were supposed to get wiser with age.[/QUOTE]You guys are scaring me! What's this fcuk fatigue? I hope I don't catch it when I visit this fall.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I'm afraid it's going to be that way from time to time but thankfully not all the time in the forseeable future. The authorities want Pattaya to be a family destination. Not to worry. The girls will simply move southward to Walking Street where the crowds and customers are found.[/QUOTE]

Oddly enough I have never taken a freelancer from Walking Street in all my years of coming to Pattaya. In the first place I see almost none there on the street, and in the second place none of them have ever been my type - maybe half are ladyboys and half are overpriced bad-service types. I've never seen a beach road girl standing on Walking Street either. Where do you find freelancers on Walking Street? In nightclubs?

Anyway, you're all quite right about the family thing. It fills me with disgust - the whole world is geared to those banal creatures, and yet they've had to be brought in to infest our one little escape-hatch.

[QUOTE=Piper1]I may get howls of incredulous laughter for saying this, but IMHO Pattaya is pretty much a family-friendly place already. Most mongers will disagree, as they look at the place through a pink-bits lens. I had plans for a very viable (and fun) business there, which would have meant basing my family there for substantial parts of the year. Unfortunately my wife didn't like the idea. Not sure why.[/QUOTE] Saw some honeymooners from India last time I was in Pattaya. Was fun watching the husbands try to sneak a peak at the freelancers.

Pretty sure they wouldn't have got anything that night (and for a few more nights) had they been caught ogling the local wares.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Oddly enough I have never taken a freelancer from Walking Street in all my years of coming to Pattaya. In the first place I see almost none there on the street, and in the second place none of them have ever been my type - maybe half are ladyboys and half are overpriced bad-service types. I've never seen a beach road girl standing on Walking Street either. Where do you find freelancers on Walking Street? In nightclubs?...[/QUOTE]
I’ve found a few real gems on Walking Street and am seeing a lot more of them lately, especially during the disgusting festivals which have taken over their Beach Road turf.

Next time you visit Pattaya and are faced with the family circus along the beach, take a very slow stroll down WS from the Beach Road entrance. Or you can just stand in one spot looking around. Amongst the crowds you will begin to notice many girls of all ages, shapes and sizes who seem to be just walking up and down or standing around, either alone, or in small groups. They are freelancers looking for customers. Just smile and make eye contact with a girl you fancy and she will usually respond with a smile to let you know that she’s available and ready to deal.

One good thing about it is that Walking Street is well lit at night – much more so than Beach Road – which allows you a good look at the lady’s attributes.

[QUOTE=Hobbyhores]You guys are scaring me! What's this fcuk fatigue? I hope I don't catch it when I visit this fall.[/QUOTE]

You will understand after you've had a hot morning sex with the girl form the night before, an afternoon menage a trois that lasts into the early evening, followed by an all-nighter with a girl you met at a disco -- all in 24 hrs.

Just remember to take all your vitamins, A through V and you'll be fine. LOL