Moscow

[QUOTE=Peter63;1650597] I was in Moscow few weeks ago. I tested some of the suggestions read on the forum:

- Toro Grill: A lot of beautiful girls dining but only few old one appeared to be WG.

- Crazy Daisy: went there on Saturday night. I was astonished by the quality and number of girls. But this place looks good for men in their thirties.

- Papas Place: went there on Monday night. Ratio men / women was bad and very bad for a old man as I am. I left around midnight.

- Hudson bar: Went there few times but I saw only old WG...[/QUOTE]I went to Toro Belaruskaya for dining many times. But I dint see any WG there (at least none looked like one), but maybe I am talking about the wrong Toro Grill.

At Hudson I saw some, but as you said, not really worth it. But a friend of mine was lucky one night there and did it anyway, he said the lady was fine and not that old, but the problem with such small places is that everybody (including non WGs) see what is going on. Despite of being the biggest city in Europe, the expat scene seems to be quite discernible. That said, he regrets the decision of going out with that woman at that moment as the bar was full of people. However, he enjoyed that night with her and that is what counts. I told him that it really doesn't matter what others think about that, forget about that "image" stuff.

IMO if one is in Moscow as a tourist and are not planning to go after non pros, this is a good option.

-1000 rub for sale till New year [URL]http://escortrus.ru[/URL].

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1646421]My advice is to go back to SE Asia. P4 P is outrageously overpriced here and sercie is horrendous. What you will pay here for an hour of rushed, mediocre service (7-10 K Rubles) will buy you a week of GFE with a hot free lancer in Pattaya.

Just my 2 Kopeks worth.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Very good prices in [URL]http://escortrus.ru/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Peter63;1650597]
- Crazy Daisy: went there on Saturday night. I was astonished by the quality and number of girls. But this place looks good for men in their thirties.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report Peter63.

Good to hear that Crazy Daisy is still pulling in the cute chicks. It's been almost a year since my last trip there so I am a little out of touch.

I'm starting to hear that clubbing and hanging out in bars is getting to be too expensive for the local girls who are paid in rubles which, I am sure you all know, is taking a nose dive. Many foreign companies are pulling out and that means lay-offs for local staff. I think that this phenomenon MAY mean that girls who are hanging out in bars are getting more overt about looking for guys to buy them drinks. While initially annoying, it can mean a good opportunity for breaking the ice with non WG's. BTW, if this financial trend continues, it could mean a return to the good old days where girls start turning tricks for extra money. These girls are NOT hardened pros and can often be MUCH for fun. They are trying to make ends meet and since "moral flexibility" seems to be a common trait amongst Russian girls. These are all important signals for us to watch in the coming months.

Let's face it boys, who WOULDN'T like to see a return to the 90's when it comes to WG's, even if it is only for a short while. Hmmmmm, come to think of it. Might be about time for a return trip to Night Flight, which has always been a good barometer of economic times. As times get harder, the quality of the girls goes up.

So, with panic / chaos in Moscow finances will the golden days of Moscow mongering come back?

'98 seems very similar: ruble devaluation, oil tanking, dollar rocketing.

Not Scheundfrend. But that "I only travel business class / $1,000/ HR" was a joke and wouldn't last.

Putin in effigy upside-down or for real next.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1657353]So. With panic / chaos in Moscow finances will the golden days of Moscow mongering come back?[/QUOTE]This is a theory that I am quite eager to test!! Will visit Night Flight soon to see how things are at the old barometer.

Hey guys,

I can't believe there isn't some interesting news on the cost of the devs given the new situation. More, less, same. Come on mongers in Moscow. Those of us locked out of the action because we have a Russian wife here in the USA (me for instance) are dying to know what is going on? Updates Please, especially on night flight. I remember when it was 80.00 TLN. Ah the days!

[QUOTE=Cwhayes1;1658312]Hey guys,

I can't believe there isn't some interesting news on the cost of the devs given the new situation. More, less, same. Come on mongers in Moscow. Those of us locked out of the action because we have a Russian wife here in the USA (me for instance) are dying to know what is going on? Updates Please, especially on night flight. I remember when it was 80.00 TLN. Ah the days![/QUOTE]There is a wild inflation at the moment, the shop owners are updating their price almost everyday. So I think devs will adapt their situation as well. Anyway the real pros ask for the prices in EUr or Dollar, even before the Ruble crisis. Besides, the RUB is going up again.

Interesting to see that some relations end in marriage. I also have a LTR going on, and sometimes I also think about it. Did you meet her in Moscow or in the US?

[QUOTE=Wing Forwing;1658883]Anyway the real pros ask for the prices in EUr or Dollar, even before the Ruble crisis.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1657353]So, with panic / chaos in Moscow finances will the golden days of Moscow mongering come back?[/QUOTE]


As far as P4P is concerned, prices won't change too much for the average tourist in Moscow. The dyeffki who deal with foreign tourists on a regular basis will simply quote prices in Euros or Dollars, those will stay pretty much the same.

The real value will be in the local girls, who rely mainly on local guys for their business and continue to do business in Rubles. A quick check of erotic-massage.ru shows that the going rate is still about 5,000 руб./hr. for full service. So, this is now about $60 to $80 per hour, depending on the phase of the moon, tidal flows, how BB feels when he gets up in the morning, etc.

The минет в машине (blow job in car) is now about $20 bucks.

This is assuming, of course, that you speak Russian and can negotiate in Russian. As soon as they find out you are a foreigner, they will raise their prices.

As Jake points out, it will be interesting to see what happens at Night Flight. Prices will probably remain the same, but, as the Oligarchs watch their fortunes evaporate, they will need to cull their stables of krasavitsy. That will be the true windfall--a club like Night Flight, once again full of gorgeous Russian babes who are ready, and motivated, to do business.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1658941]
As Jake points out, it will be interesting to see what happens at Night Flight. Prices will probably remain the same, but, as the Oligarchs watch their fortunes evaporate, they will need to cull their stables of krasavitsy. That will be the true windfall--a club like Night Flight, once again full of gorgeous Russian babes who are ready, and motivated, to do business.[/QUOTE]*NEWS FLASH*.

Made a quick trip to NF on Friday night. Not the best night of the week to go but I was already liquored up (too liquored up to perform in fact) and my curiosity got the best of me so I stopped by for a little "field research". Now, it's bee a while since I have visited NF and I am not familiar with the regular so spotting newbies was not easy. But judging from body language you could see that there were a few who were not regulars. While it was no where near the "glory days", I think I detected a few girls who appeared to be a bit "fresher" that the rest giving me the impression they were there to earn some extra cash before the holidays.

What was really interesting, however, was the topic of compensation. According to a few of the girls, the NF management has introduced "price controls" and is telling the girls that they can't get greedy. They are telling the girls that if they hear that any of them have been quoting more than 15,000 rubles, they will be denied future entry. As of my last check on [URL]www.xe.com[/URL], 15,000 rubles is about $260, which has these girls a little pissed off. When I pressed them for a Euro price, they just rolled their eyes and said "15,000 rubles for a few hours". So, my friends, it has begun. The next few weeks are going to be non-representative due to holiday schedules, but by the middle of January we should see some interesting patterns develop.

AND, by the way, I just happened to be in the Marco Polo Hotel last week meeting some visiting colleagues and there were 3 VERY nice young ladies in the lobby bar who were clearly working. Did not have an opportunity to inquire as to how much but I must say I was impressed with the quality.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1659432] When I pressed them for a Euro price, they just rolled their eyes and said "15,000 rubles for a few hours". [/QUOTE]Great! 250 bucks to screw a starfish while she rolls here eyes back the whole time you are pounding away.

Fuck theseRussian hoes and their attitudes. Better to save your money for Thailand. Or even a quick trip to Germany for FKK.

Just my 2 kopeks.

Uncel-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1659506]Great! 250 bucks to screw a starfish while she rolls here eyes back the whole time you are pounding away.

Fuck theseRussian hoes and their attitudes. Better to save your money for Thailand. Or even a quick trip to Germany for FKK.

Just my 2 kopeks.

Uncel-V.[/QUOTE]While I don't necessarily disagree with you, I can tell from your response that I did not do a good job of describing the situation. These girls were clearly annoyed with the fact that NF mgt were telling them how much they could charge. Hence the "rolling their eyes" reference. While I most CERTAINLY DO remember pulling more than one "starfish" out of NF, I also remember a few who were really a lot of fun and darned near worth the money. But if I had it to do over again, I would have saved my money for the FKK in Frankfurt. At least the Russian girls in an FKK have no illusions of why they are there. The girls in Night Flight? Not so much.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1659875]While I don't necessarily disagree with you, I can tell from your response that I did not do a good job of describing the situation. These girls were clearly annoyed with the fact that NF mgt were telling them how much they could charge. Hence the "rolling their eyes" reference. While I most CERTAINLY DO remember pulling more than one "starfish" out of NF, I also remember a few who were really a lot of fun and darned near worth the money. But if I had it to do over again, I would have saved my money for the FKK in Frankfurt. At least the Russian girls in an FKK have no illusions of why they are there. The girls in Night Flight? Not so much.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification Jake. If I could afford it I would give NF a try. But 15 K is just frigging ridiculous. Especially if there is a huge risk lf them pulling a starfish or a runner after the first shot.

I have kind of grown tired of Russian girls in general and don't even find them as hot as I used to. I much prefer Asian girls. They are so much sweeter and you don't have to put up with the "I am god's gift to man" attitude.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1660232]
I have kind of grown tired of Russian girls in general and don't even find them as hot as I used to. I much prefer Asian girls. They are so much sweeter and you don't have to put up with the "I am god's gift to man" attitude.[/QUOTE]I hear you man. I am dating two non-pros at the moment (in rotation of course) and the attitude does grind on you after a while. They are, after all, Russian women and as my good friend Vladimir (no, not Putin) once told me, "the reason God put them on earth is to make your life a living hell. The sex is just a bonus for putting up with all of their shit". Which is a point that we would all do well to remember. Although, I must say that since last week's "ruble roller coaster", the older one of the two has seriously improved her attitude. I guess she knows what's coming and she's tightening her grip on me. Or rather her pussy is tightening its grip on me. As it happens, I will be leaving Russia in the new year and may have an opportunity to sample some of these Asia beauties you speak of.

Dropped by Charmel on Thursday and Friday, but both their phone numbers on the website seemed to be disconnected or out of service. I know the. -18 number has worked for years. Any ideas; has it closed up shop like Fantasys? There is also a single doorbell on the outside door, which, I thought maybe for the salon, but no answer on that.

Also if this is the case, any recommendations for a quality, well located salon?