Bangkok Reports

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Mick, with regards to "the top dancer" in Long Gun, who are you referring to specifically here, or is that just your opinion of who the top dancer is. I know there are 3 or 4 who I would consider the top group. But they tend to change from time to time. I went there recently and I didnt recognise half of them from the last time I went a few months before. There was one girl named Z-- who used to dance there for a long time but I havent seen her for a while. I always thought she was the best one, she had an amazing body which she ruined recently by having a tit-job. There is another girl there who is so beautiful she has no business working in a go-go bar. And do you know what the story is with that girl with the white hair? She seems very up with herself, at least thats the impression I get. I have never spoken to her but she looks like she could be a lot of fun if she dropped the attitude.
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Well, L A Guy, having been to Long Gun quite a few times over the last year, it was clear to me that the complexly choreographed dance routines were confined to a particular dance pair, with one girl being slightly more skilled than the other. When one of these girls left Long Gun, the complex dance routines have disappeared, as only one girl left, named N..., has the required skill and dance experience for it. Her current dance partner isn't quite up to the same standard. So its not so obvious who is "best" right now.
Could have been Z... who left this pair, I don't know. The one who left was reasonably tall and had a good body and I can't recall anything about the fake tits. Do you remember their trench-coat, and bowler hat routine?

The "best" dancer is a skinny but sexy girl who rarely goes with customers.
She does drink a lot of tequillas though and these days is not so shy about nudity as she used to be, especially when slightly drunk.

The "white haired" girl does seem to be "up herself" somewhat.
Its not unusual to find bar-girls who have become quite "up themselves".
Not sure if they were always like that or if the bar has changed them.

I was challenged to a dart (magetic tip replaces point) throwing competition with her (the white haired one). The board target zones would Read "remove your top","remove your pants","remove your underpants", etc.

She hit the "remove pants" quickly, so I was down to my jocks. I missed the target completely a couple of times but enventually I hit "remove underpants" first. So thankfully for the bar, she had to get the knickers off.

She was quite pissed off about this despite normally getting her knickers off quite regularly on the stage. The top dancer, N..., would be too shy to play this game and risk having to get her knickers off. If I had to get my jocks off, no big problem, I would have flaunted it. Fortunately I have recently lost 7 kg, so my figure is not as bad as used to be. My GF doesn't even call me "Muu Uan" (fat piggy) any more.
I was more concerned about my wallet in my removed pants pocket with a lot of cash in it.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Having a thread "How to spot a katoey" is a very sensible idea indeed, Mr. Grumpy.

#1 For threads that don't interest you, you don't have to open them at all. Thats a plus until someone posts in the wrong thread.

#2 It is well known the newbies to Thailand do not know how beautiful Katoeys can be , end up being psychologically very disturbed when they find their partner has a dick after already indulging in other things.

#3 Some forum members are absolutely paranoid about katoeys to the extent that one member reported being disgusted by Soi Cowboy being full of katoeys when the truth is that there are very few katoeys in Soi Cowboy (compared to Nana Patong beach, etc.)

#4 Some forum members suggest ridiculous, IMHO, ways of recognising katoeys such as whether they know a certain card game, or how they smell.
So someone is needed to point out sensible katoey traits to watch for.

#5 Most of us can admit to incidents where we were quite slow to come up with the theory that we were probably looking at a katoey on the other side of the room, but still perhaps being unsure.

Is your day spoiled if you don't find something to look down on?
O.K. There will always be a mix forum members, and clearly many will not have anything to offer you, but thats life and can you expect more from a bunch of mongers?
Now your report on TLL was great, so keep up the informative stuff that newbies can learn from.

P.S.Sorry about my bad spelling. I always type too quickly.[/QUOTE]

Well, not really grumpy...I just find it a somewhat funny thread to have. Sometime ago I wrote what I (and quite a few others) thought was a fairly comprehensive way to spot katoeys - it's in the RODs...

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=432826&postcount=181[/url]

One very minor edit, I'd like to make to this post is that not all universities allow katoey to wear female uniforms. Seeing one in a male uniform is about as good identifier as any-LOL. At the uni where I teach part-time, katoey are allowed to wear female uniforms. But, it still doesn't hide the obvious. At the uni where I work full-time, they must register as male students and wear male uniforms. Over the years, I've had many katoeys in my classes. An odd thing is that I currently have a female student who is going through some gender-reassignment - quite unusual anywhere, even here.

Anyway, from the moment I stepped off the plane in January 1997 until now, I've never ever been fooled by katoeys. If you understand even the slightest bit about physiology, especially how the pelvis makes men and women walk differently (something that can't be altered with surgery or hormones), you don't need to look at their hands and feet, judge their height or look for an Adam's apple. Another dead give away is the sound of their voices (like they swallowed a kazoo) and how they speak Thai, which has a really faked feminity about it, is often exaggerated beyond belief and has nothing at all to do with how Thai women really speak. Lastly, their mannerisms are way off. Thai women are usually quite subtle and subdued in their behaviour. Katoeys are always loud and brash. It's quite simple, really.

Oh, Bangkok! After a lapse of one year I was in BKK last week. Things certainly has changed for the worse towards mongers point of view. First , the almighty dollar took a nosedive, then the girls are definitely changed from sweet little fucking things to business savvy executives.
The go go bar prices gave me a sticker shock. 600 B barfine is same. LT is now 3000 B. WOW! No more sweet talk over a lady drink. Girls immediately want to know whether you are going to barfine or are they wasting their time. One girl even rejected a lady drink I offered once she found out I am not her meal ticket for the night. Would have made her accountant very happy.
Some massage girls are complaining that the number of single visitors are less these days. I guess they all are in Cambodia!
Went to the famous beer garden. Guess what? Lt is same 3000 B. A year ago it was 1500 or less.
When did prices hike up to this stage almost comparable to New York?

I have decided. Next time I go to BKK I am definitely doing what the tourists do. Visit temples and PRAY!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Well, not really grumpy...I just find it a somewhat funny thread to have. Sometime ago I wrote what I (and quite a few others) thought was a fairly comprehensive way to spot katoeys - it's in the RODs...

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=432826&postcount=181[/url]

One very minor edit, I'd like to make to this post is that not all universities allow katoey to wear female uniforms. Seeing one in a male uniform is about as good identifier as any-LOL. At the uni where I teach part-time, katoey are allowed to wear female uniforms. But, it still doesn't hide the obvious. At the uni where I work full-time, they must register as male students and wear male uniforms. Over the years, I've had many katoeys in my classes. An odd thing is that I currently have a female student who is going through some gender-reassignment - quite unusual anywhere, even here.

Anyway, from the moment I stepped off the plane in January 1997 until now, I've never ever been fooled by katoeys. If you understand even the slightest bit about physiology, especially how the pelvis makes men and women walk differently (something that can't be altered with surgery or hormones), you don't need to look at their hands and feet, judge their height or look for an Adam's apple. Another dead give away is the sound of their voices (like they swallowed a kazoo) and how they speak Thai, which has a really faked feminity about it, is often exaggerated beyond belief and has nothing at all to do with how Thai women really speak. Lastly, their mannerisms are way off. Thai women are usually quite subtle and subdued in their behaviour. Katoeys are always loud and brash. It's quite simple, really.[/QUOTE]
Yes you have some useful points although of the several classifications of pelvis type, A, B, C etc. I seem to recall that there is one type that is found in both men and women.
I do agree that most Katoeys when trying to walk like a women, over exaggerate it so that it looks silly really. And most of their supposedly feminine traits are usually over-exaggerated. Not all guys are highly observant of these things.

But perhaps we should be in another thread ....

[QUOTE=Sammon]Oh, Bangkok! After a lapse of one year I was in BKK last week. Things certainly has changed for the worse towards mongers point of view. <cut>
WOW! No more sweet talk over a lady drink. Girls immediately want to know whether you are going to barfine or are they wasting their time. One girl even rejected a lady drink I offered once she found out I am not her meal ticket for the night. Would have made her accountant very happy.
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Fortunately, you are exaggerating some of these claims, or else I chose better bars and better girls to sit with than you.

I had more problems with girls requiring a lot of persuasion to go with me before the price was even discussed.
One girl doesn't go with customers for boom-boom, another had her young sister staying with her, another had her period, etc.

I don't recall if even one bar-girl recently asked me how much I would pay, before she went with me.

So look, bar girls vary tremendously.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]

I don't recall if even one bar-girl recently asked me how much I would pay, before she went with me.

So look, bar girls vary tremendously.[/QUOTE]

I take it you do not frequent the popular Go-Go bars such as Rainbow 4, I think those girls will want to discuss finances before they leave the bar with you.
The days of girls in Bangkok saying "up to you" are confined to the history books.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]I take it you do not frequent the popular Go-Go bars such as Rainbow 4, I think those girls will want to discuss finances before they leave the bar with you.
The days of girls in Bangkok saying "up to you" are confined to the history books.[/QUOTE]
No I don't go to Nana Plaza any more.
But in Soi Cowboy it is by no means confined to the History books, even if it is not normal,
especially if girls know you to some extent, but even for first time girls in some cases. Perhaps I give a good impression when I am not stingy with buying a few lady drinks.

When I organised a 3 some with 2 bi-sexuals, both had been with me before, one many months ago. But price wasn't discussed this time (it may have been discussed the first time - I can't remember). They both were eager to try each other for the first time.

A girl from Long Gun went with me without discussing the price, but I had agreed to pay her bar fine from previous night as well as she had not turned up to work the previous night and would have been fined for that. Was her first night with me but had met me previously.

The girl who had never been with a customer before, certainly did not want to discuss money. She did not want to appear "buyable". It wasn't certain that I would get any sex, but I did.

When I did a take out of SOL girls price wasn't discussed but they obviously assumed I would pay at least the set price.

I have even been with girls from Nana car-park who were too shy to ask the price.

I am referring to Go Go bars. But anyway I always discuss the financial arrangement before I decide to take the girl unless I have been with her before. This is manly to avoid pouty face and unpleasant arguments the morning after. I am sure this has happened to many mongers. After a long night of drinking and sex the last thing you need is unpleasant exchanges in the morning which will spoil the whole day. But believe me I always pay little more than the agreed price depending on the performance ofcourse.

Well, the girl there should be ladies assume. Besides, you can ask the dancer to come to your table to drink with you by buying them ladies drink. But i don't think it's worthy as they will hop from table to table and the ladies drink isn't cheap.

For LT wise, I think maybe you can discuss with the ladies but i think the price will not be cheap.

Cheers..

[QUOTE=Timewaster]Any more info on this place?

The girls (hopefully they are girls) looks super hot.

Are they availible or only there for dancing?[/QUOTE]

Came across some photo's BKK girls a couple of years old.

[QUOTE=Sammon]Oh, Bangkok! After a lapse of one year I was in BKK last week. Things certainly has changed for the worse towards mongers point of view. First , the almighty dollar took a nosedive, then the girls are definitely changed from sweet little fucking things to business savvy executives.

The go go bar prices gave me a sticker shock. 600 B barfine is same. LT is now 3000 B. WOW! No more sweet talk over a lady drink. Girls immediately want to know whether you are going to barfine or are they wasting their time. One girl even rejected a lady drink I offered once she found out I am not her meal ticket for the night. Would have made her accountant very happy.

Some massage girls are complaining that the number of single visitors are less these days. I guess they all are in Cambodia!

Went to the famous beer garden. Guess what? Lt is same 3000 B. A year ago it was 1500 or less.

When did prices hike up to this stage almost comparable to New York?

I have decided. Next time I go to BKK I am definitely doing what the tourists do. Visit temples and PRAY![/QUOTE]Thats strange, because I was BKK a 3 weeks ago and get a few girls from beer garden for 1500LT, also few girls from Soi Cowboy 1800-2000LT + 600 barfine

[QUOTE=Noman2]Thats strange, because I was BKK a 3 weeks ago and get a few girls from beer garden for 1500LT, also few girls from Soi Cowboy 1800-2000LT + 600 barfine[/QUOTE]


1500 LT seems more realistic for a Beergarden girl, 3000 is totally over the top, you could get a Nana Plaza Go-Go girl for 3000 LT.

In the last 12 month, but especially in the last 6 months the requested costs of the girls have been going up fast! What is the real current or requested rates? Bar fines in the last 3 years have almost double and now the girls are doing the same with there rates.

A few years ago, I would Bar Fine a girl and more then half of them would answer the following question, "How much do you want for LT or ST?" with "It is up to you".

Today, you go in the Bar and there is less and less chit-chat talk with the girl over a drink or 2. Some of girls will sits down and don't even ask for a drink, they sit down and ask what your name, will you BF me within a few minute? Plus, quote a price right away!

In Bars like the Rainbows in Nana, you sit down order a drink, once you have a drink, one of Mamasans will come by and ask you which girl you want, instead of the girl coming over the sit down and talk, the Mamasan is asking you for the BF, before the girl sits down with you.

I think the real cause of the cost increases are coming from the Asian tourist coming to the western areas of Bangkok. 3 to 4 years ago, Asian tourist would be in different areas of town and you saw very few of them at Nana and Soi Cowboy. Today, more then of half of the people in these areas are Asian Tourist. The Asian Monger prefers finding a girl in these types of places, pay the money and get back to the hotel.

They also more free with the money and do not question the amounts being charge, becuase they think it is so cheap. They are always paying $1000 or $2000 a night at KTV in there home country. It does not take the girls long to figure this out, that the Asian have more money, they hand it over easier and it is easy work for them. The Asian guy will get his nut off and then go to sleep, plus the size difference.

The bars keep rising there BF, because they are selling less Girl Drinks too, with less and less girls wanting to sit in the bars drinking and more of them wanting to get BF and collect the ST fees from the guys and then returning to the bar.

I have been to some of the Korean Bars in Bangkok with Korean friends and they pay BF of 1500 Baht, the girls were getting 3000 to 4000 baht for ST and getting 5000 to 7000 baht for a LT and this was a few years ago. So the Asian guys do not even question on pay the higher BF and 3000 baht for a ST.

I think this is the cost difference with BF and the girl charges.

The other thing you didn’t see a few years ago, the girl that returns to the bar after a ST will get back into there dancing clothes and start dancing again to be BF again and do the cycle again.

In past, they would come back to the bar in Street Clothes and hang out to proudly show that she was BF to her Friends and talk the night away and not work. This way the girls that were not fined had a better chase of being BF that night. Today, they are back and ready to be BF multiple times a night to get the BF count up for the month and also to get another ST or LT fee that night again.

It is starting to change in Thailand, and the change is starting too come to fast! I hope it starts slowing down!

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]1500 LT seems more realistic for a Beergarden girl, 3000 is totally over the top, you could get a Nana Plaza Go-Go girl for 3000 LT.[/QUOTE]I got back from BKK on November 12 and I confirm the above mentioned prices.

Of course we are talking for girls in the scale of 8/10 and more.

I have the opportunity to make a stop in Bangkok.
When I try to find budget hotels in BK I never find less than 700 B.
In Pathaya I find hotels to 400 B easy.

I dont use the hotel much and I dont like to spend more than nesseserry.
But the place have to be ok!

Someone like me around and with some information where to go?