Monterrey

let me clear one thing up: taboo is not a strip club per se.
taboo is a "free for all" type disco, otherwise known as a gay club.


[quote=round the world]well porker, the invasion has already begun. i wish you had joined us as i was looking forward to meeting you.

i rolled into town on thursday afternoon and met carlos at obsession for lunch. not much going on there except for the inexpensive buffet. my favorita at obsession had already unfortunately retired from the biz.

afterward, carlos and i hit infinito for an early look at the dayshift. not too many new girls since the last time i was here in march. i did see a young nubile friend, p from my previous trips (an ex-friend of x) and decided to do an early evening salida with her. all went well and i satisfied my goal of having a turn with her, since all the previous trips i had never had an opportunity of "knowing" her.

afterward i sent the girl back to infy and carlos and i went to pick up mr. l and wastedgman. we hit harem which had a few nice girls, but too many male patrons dividing their attention. so we wound up, as so often happens, back at infy. here the night shift was already on. slim, hot body angry girl was there as usual.

i also noticed a girl i had never seen before, sammy. very pretty face, maybe 5-10lb more than i usually like them. but i took her up anyway. workmanlike effort. nothing extraordinary. back downstairs we sat and continued to talk. for kicks i tried to negotiate for her to come to my hotel the next day before her work shift for a few hours. but in the end she wanted more (1500p) than i was willing to pay (1000p).

while at infy, wasted and mr. l received warm welcomes from many girls and waiters as usual. in fact, the waiters kicked out some poor dudes to make room at wasted's usual table. wasted took a few lucky gals upstairs, but i forget whom.

eventually w and l wanted to call it a night and i walked back with them to the pda. but after dropping them off i decided to take a peek at matehuala before going home to the sheraton. inside matehuala there wasn't much to brag about, but there was one girl dancing on stage to a large ecstatic crowd of guys. i squeezed up to the bar to see what the action was all about and was amazed at some of the best bar dancing i'd seen there. this girl really knew how to work the stage and worked up the guys. part of the routine involved taking a lit cigarette from a customer and inserting in her nether orifice. i couldn't see puffs of smoke coming out, but perhaps there were. anyhow her name was claudia and i took her downstairs right afterward. her downstairs performance was as amazing as her upstairs one. it was great considering it was now 4am and this was my third session and i was very tired.


day two of the invasion started with lunch at prestige. hot young redhead, ambar was there. i wasted several copas on her to find out that contrary to popular belief, she wasn't willing to go on a salida. apparently there was the dreaded boyfriend issue.

throughout the days we would checkout givenchy and or el cielo, but there was never any reason to stay beyond a minute or two.

so back to infinito it was. the goal being to recruit girls for an after-day-shift excursion to that infamous night club taboo. i had been hoping to pickup the same girl p, but unfortunately some damn gringo was monopolizing here and ended up taking her on salida... pinche gringos! luckily wasted worked his magic and lined up 3 girls to join us after work. in the meantime, an mty newbie joined us as we were leaving infy. unfrotunately i think we didn't give him enough time at infy before we dragged him to taboo which is admittedly not for all tastes.

nevertheless a great time was had at taboo. the great thing about taking out working girls to a fun environment is that they just become fun-loving girls. no more professionalism, no more bargaining, etc. just a good time and no expectations. had fun dancing and grabbing the asses of the resident taboo stripper and our dates. sadly, i had a early morning plane to catch so i had to cut the night short.

i'll leave the rest of the reporting to the remaining invasion crew, uno, wasted, mr. l, porker, carlos etc. hope you fill in the details of all the fun i am missing.

let's plan to do this again soon.[/quote]

Day 2 &3 of the invasion have passed and not a single report?

Et tu, UnospongeBob?

Don't leave those of us playing along at home in Sex Prison high and dry...

Hola RTW,

I've been in town since Saturday night, and not bar fined one single girl. I am going celebate...huhhhh??? :-0

Glad you had a good time in MTY RTW. Maybe I will catch you on the next trip.

Porker, I think we will probably go to Obsession because the newbie to MTY, Mr. "R," has not been there yet, and his flight leaves today around 4pm. So, time permitting, and if we aren't too early in getting to Obession, it will be his last opportunity to take it in. My concern is that if we get over there as early as 12:30-1pm, it may literally be too early, as in "no girls." So, we'll have to see how it goes.

Porker, if you get in to MTY around 1:30-2pm, I should be at Obsession. Of course, the plans are all tenetative because I haven't discussed it with Carlos, and there may be some pressing issues at Prestige that force us over there. But, whatever, we can do both clubs if necessary. I will be meeting you at Obsession unless you hear otherwise. You have my Mexico cell number.

I had a relatively slow first night in town. I was quite tired from all the travel and from a mixup with respect to my luggage, which delayed me getting in and getting situated at my hotel for at least a couple of hours.

I arrived at Infinito around 9pm, and found the guys, made a face to face acquaintance with the newbie to MTY, Mr. R, and also met a new resident Gringo to Monterrey, Mr. Q. I did some privados with my "G" girl, then made the rounds at Tangalay, Pasarelas, El Cielo, and Harem. With the exception of my "G" girl, there really weren't any girls that particularly motivated me to bar fine anyone because the day's travels had pretty much worn me out.

I've started to take some interest in visiting Tangalay lately because it's not a bar that I frequent, and lately, there seems to be a number of girls in there that occassionally meet my quality standards. So, after having some fun with my "G" girl at Infinito, I decided to go over to Tangalay to see what was cookin' over there.

A girl caught my eye at Tangalay, and I took her in the privados. She did not do much of anything but dance. She was reluctant to get too physical in almost every way. I remember thinking that maybe if I throw money at the situation, she will loosen up. I think I spent 200 pesos on her in an effort to see if she would loosen up, but nada. I discovered that she does not do salidas, so I just decided to cut my losses and turn her loose.

I decided to move on to El Cielo, and when I first walked in, I saw a new girl on stage, a petite little thing. I had not been in the club more than 15 seconds when I walked up the stage during presentation, waived off the waiter that was hovering over me, asking if I wanted something to drink, and wisked her upstairs to the privado booth.

I stayed in the privados with her for a while, maybe spending around 250 pesos. She seemed like she was getting pretty hot and bothered in the privado booth, but again, when I quized her further, I determined that she does not do salidas. So, I just decided again that I was throwing good money after bad by keeping her in there. So, I opted out after about 5 dances.

I left El Cielo and went directly to Pasarelas. There were a lot of guys in Pasarelas, and almost all the girls were occupied, and there were a lot of girls there too. So, I just sat patiently, not really seeing anything that I just had to have, nothing that I particularly wanted to wait for. I sat there for a while and decided that I would visit Harem next.

I arrived at Harem around 1:30am, I remember thinking that for a Saturday night, it was pretty slow in there, not a lot of girls, plenty of room to sit against the wall on the plush couch area. That is something that is not characteristic of Harem on a Saturday night. There also seemed to be either fewer girls in attendance, or they were all upstairs, which I theorized probably explained why the couches were vacant. I assumed their clientes were with them upstairs. But, actually, I sat there for quite a long while, and nobody came back downstairs. And, even the tables seems full of empty drinks, etc...So, it seemed pretty slow at Harem for a Saturday night. Frankly, I was shocked.

By 1:30am, I was starting to feel the tiring effects of the day's travels. Plus, I was not really finding anything that would have motivated me to pay for a salida. Plus, with my being tired, I also recognized that even if I did opt for a salida, the overall experience would have been difficult for me to enjoy given my tired condition. So, I just decided to return to the hotel for a good night's rest. I think I went back to the hotel and immediately to sleep Saturday night around 2:30am.

But, here are my conclusions about Saturday nights in Monterrey. And, these are not carved in stone, but they illustrate why I do not particulary like the prospects in MTY on Friday or Saturday night. There are always exceptions, and that's why you have to make the effort. But, my expectations for weekend nights turning out great are always a little lower than during the week or on Sunday.

There are many more girls in the clubs, many good looking girls, many girls you would love to have on salida....But, many, many of them do nothing more than dance. Many of them are relatively modest in what they will permit you to do with them in the privados because they are merely opportunistic girls seizing on the opportunity to make a quick buck with little or no eye to future marketing considerations.

Plus, there are also so many more guys to compete with for their attentions on weekend nights that they have no urgency to turn on the charm to keep you interested. Once they finish with one guy, they are on to the next with little or no effort being required on their part. Many of them will not even let you touch them the way you could expect to fondle one of the regulars in the privados.

The girls that work the clubs during the week are full timers, pros...they know that they have to give more in order to stay in business. But, on Friday and Saturday nights, the amateurish part-timers come out to make money, and they are only there to tease you long enough to get you to part with your money in the privados. They will dance for you, but if you start to get into some serious fondling action with them, they are much more reluctant than the committed full-timers.

That is why Friday and Saturday nights are so deceiving. On the surface, it seems there is a greater selection, new girls, younger girls, better girls....But, in reality, unless you have yourself already established with a regular girlfriend that is willing to service you on salida on Friday or Saturday night, foregoing opportunity at making more money in the privados than on salida, you stand a good chance of coming away from the clubs with blue balls.

Having recognized this issue, I usually resolve myself to Friday and Saturday nights being relatively celebate nights, and only good for in-club entertainment. I usually reserve my salidas for weekdays for these reasons, and I generally dumb down my expectations for weekend nights.

This weekend was no exception...and once again, my theories proved valid.

Next report...What I did Sunday night. Spent too much money, but had a lot of fun, but no salidas....details to follow later.





[QUOTE=Round the World]Day 2 &3 of the invasion have passed and not a single report?

Et tu, UnospongeBob?

Don't leave those of us playing along at home in Sex Prison high and dry...[/QUOTE]

No bar fines yet? Does that mean you've been dry the whole time or you've been spending the whole time with your Angel Girl?

Also that's gotta be your shortest post in a long time... very suspicious

No, no time spent with my Angel Girl yet. Other than numerous privados with her on Saturday night...she was busy Sunday, her day off, busy today too....Maybe available later in the week.

You see, my angel girl lives too damned far from MTY...like two hours or more. So, when she is off, it's very hard to coordinate with her to meet me because she has to have a babysitter, etc...

At first, her excuses bothered me a little, then I started to apply the same constraints to my own legitimate life back home, day in and day out, and how difficult that kind of commute really is. I concluded that if she could be here, she would. But, life has so many other responsibilities and difficulties that are beyond our control. Bar girls are no different. Probably worse actually.

Imagine it, having to comute two hours each way to work, and to have to also commute the same boring drive to see me on her day off, and sometimes on work days too before going into work. I have reasoned that if I were in her shoes, I would absolutely need that time off for taking care of other "stuff."

So, as Carlos and MJ have both advised me recently, I have decided to back off from being so damned demanding of her, and instead I choose to play the field of other options, preferring to spend as much time with my Angel Girl as possible, but also realizing that the realities of life, especially the screwed up life of an Infinito bar girl, weigh-in to the overall dynamic with little or no mercy.

But, no problem, as I have adopted a different approach on this trip, choosing to scope out new talent. So, if and when my Angel Girl is available, I prefer her company. I have no doubt she will make the effort to be with me, but that she is drained physically trying to do it with ease. So, otherwise, I am playing the field just as I vowed I would do a couple of months ago when I responded to both Carlos' and MJ's recommendations.

The last post was very short by USB standards because I have to get going over to Obsession, to the buffet. I had a great, fun time on Saturday night. Time with my old flame, the notorious, Cindy #1. I spent way too much money on drinks for Cindy #1, but she was a lot of fun. The most fun I have had in the clubs in a long time. Maybe that is what I need to do more of, to loosen up with my spending, to have fun in the clubs, and to make sure I am having a lot of fun regardless of salida action.

I can sense Carlos cringing as he is reading this part of my post, cringing at the thought that I am seeing Cindy #1 AGAIN!!!!, hahahah. :-))))) But, my expectations are less these days, and I think that if she is the catalyst in my having fun in the clubs, then perhaps that's the best medicine for my otherwise critical attitude that seems to occupy my thoughts about MTY lately. My emotions for Cindy #1 are totally in check at this stage of our "relationship." But, I am having fun again, which is where I want to be with that relationship, and with my time in MTY.

But, hang in there RTW, I have much more to report from my exploits on Saturday night. And, I need more time to embellish the report with all kinds of meaningless drivel, and exaggerated emotion. :-)

[QUOTE=Round the World]No bar fines yet? Does that mean you've been dry the whole time or you've been spending the whole time with your Angel Girl?

Also that's gotta be your shortest post in a long time... very suspicious[/QUOTE]

Now there you have it. Being with the girls after hours is an entirely different experience than being with them in the club or on a salida. I agree with you RTW. Lotta fun. What puzzles me is how they can continue to dance all night after they just got off work dancing all day.

Yes Carlos, Taboo is a fun for all. Notice the 'all' in there. I still want to drag you into one of these clubs one day. You look for gays and I will look at the lesbians :-)

USB, I say you hit el infi and continue to work on "V" girl. She's worth the trouble so long as you keep it strictly business. You know what I mean. But if you can stretch it beyond that, power to you. Remember, she's a pro with braces. But did you notice how other girls would not set with you saying you are "G" girl's man? You need to break that spell and establish a working relationship with the others like we discussed Sunday. (Sorry could not wake up early enough. We were knocked out).

You did not see me when 10 girls sat with me once at el infi. They gave me the biggest headache of my life and I ended up kicking, with my foot, my "X" girl out because she caused trouble. The other girls were cheerful because they know I favored her. I still do. But now that she's gone (married), I am back to my previous girls realizing why I liked them in the 1st place and trying out new ones. It even happened that my china girl was working at el infi that same night and joined the troops. Anyone ever hear a china girl mown in Spanish? I was setting at the 1st table as you enter the club. Do you think anyone noticed?

I miss my ‘X’. She marked the spot. I especially liked the fact that she called me at the hotel on Friday 2 hours before her wedding to say hello. … I know I will get her back…. I think I love her … NOT. I will always remember her when I hear Borat ... NOT. She laughed so hard at the theater watching that movie and would not stop saying “NOT” for 2 months straight. …. NOT. Right RTW?

Oh yeah, “El Infi” is what the girls call Infinito club. I, and some Taxi drivers, call it InfiERnito (little hell)

Once last note: Girls do, as a matter of fact, expect to be treated as friends and not as strippers when we take them out to those places such as Taboo or ArcoIris, or any other place outside the club. Even "X" girl, as naughty as she is, expected us to behave. And we do ... all while she is kissing a girl she just met only to bring her back with us to my hotel room to make out with. Go figure.

Wasted.




[QUOTE=Round the World]

So back to Infinito it was. The goal being to recruit girls for an after-day-shift excursion to that infamous night club Taboo. I had been hoping to pickup the same girl P, but unfortunately some damn gringo was monopolizing here and ended up taking her on salida... Pinche gringos! Luckily Wasted worked his magic and lined up 3 girls to join us after work. In the meantime, an MTY newbie joined us as we were leaving Infy. Unfrotunately I think we didn't give him enough time at Infy before we dragged him to Taboo which is admittedly not for all tastes.

Nevertheless a great time was had at Taboo. The great thing about taking out working girls to a fun environment is that they just become fun-loving girls. No more professionalism, no more bargaining, etc. Just a good time and no expectations. Had fun dancing and grabbing the asses of the resident Taboo stripper and our dates. Sadly, I had a early morning plane to catch so I had to cut the night short.
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Yeah, I find that very curious that all the girls seem to know that "Angel Girl" is "my" girl. But, the really interesting part of that is that I NEVER, EVER bar fined her from El Infinito, except one time, over two years ago, before anyone ever knew she even existed.

Until recently, we always have met discretely, with no public display evident to the rest of the girls with respect to my being interested in her, I have not bar fined her, never paying for a salida, and none of the girls ever witnessed my interest in her, other than to talk to her occassionally on the floor, or to take her into the privados, where I usually do nothing more than talk to her and patronize her for her financial benefit, usually to the tune of less than 5-6 dances per night if that many. Initially, before I started to see her exclusively, I bet we did not have but about three privados before she started to turn on the charm and indicate a desire to see me outside the club.

It's simple..."Angel Girl" has told all the girls that I am hers. "Angel Girl" has informed all the girls that I am legitimately hers, a novio, per se, which I accepted all along, and something that I decided was in my best interest when comparing relative GFE performance to other candidates at El Infinito.

But, I had never, prior to it being known in the club as public knowledge among all the girls, placed any dibs on her as being my exclusive girl. This came directly from Angel Girl, and was decreed amongst the other bar girls so she could see me exclusively, austensibly because I "mean so much to her"...maybe NOT, maybe, who knows...I like to think so, but I am not so naive to also believe uncategorically that it's true. I simply like her brand of GFE, a brand of GFE that's otherwise lacking from 90% of the girls in those clubs of Monterrey.

She keeps pushing the exclusivity angle, and I have foolishly bought into it because of her apparent, possibly manipulative, and potentially insincere, attempts to monopolize me as a client, novio, whatever...frankly, I don't get it. Perhaps it's because I patronize her in the privados...I guess that could have some intrinsic monetary value...5-6 dances every month or two...and seeing me outside the club for 500 pesos, when I pay for it...NOT!!!!!

But, when I start to think about why she would do it, and I consider the money side of the equation, it does not make sense. How does a girl profit from establishing an exclusive situation when there is little or NO money involved in our relationship outside the club.

But, guys, frankly, because "Angel Girl" is making less and less of an effort lately, I believe she takes my loyalty for granted, just as Carlos and MJ warned me would happen, an eventuality that I also expected to happen. My affections for her have always been 100% legitimate, and I show her in so many ways.

But, she has been full of excuses lately, and seemingly less attentive. Perhaps we have been married too long, and "necesito devorsiarme." For example, she has the time to attend Taboo with mis amigos, until 4am after work, but she doesn't have the time to go with me after work, or to allocate time for a guy that has more or less given her exclusive rights to his business in the club. She is blowing it. The tide is going to turn very shortly, and girls like "V" and many others will have their opportunity very soon if things continue to go this direction.

You see, up to now, I was perfectly willing to bestow exclusivity with a girl that reciprocates her attentions to the extent that Angel Girl committed herself in the past. As I have always claimed, I am giving her my undivided attention because she gives me what I like, great GFE. But, I have always said that I expected this circumstance to develop in time, and that if she were not very intellegent, and also quite disciplined, she would eventually forfeit her exclusivity rights.

We are at that juncture, especially after having made the effort she made to attend Taboo until 4am, dance all night long, and simultaneously give me excuses that she has to rest at home on her days off, and otherwise blow me off, even after I make the effort to come back to Monterrey to get some GFE from her exclusively, all the while, as she is giving me excuses, asking me to please "understand why she can't be here or there."

Listen, I may be cautious in El Infinito, mainly because I have already been through this sceario with "ANGRY GIRL," and I don't want a reoccurence with "Angel Girl." If I can salvage the Angel Girl scenario, then that IS my goal, not because I am in love with her, but because I am in love with her GFE. There is a big difference.

To illustrate my point, I have spent the last two nights in Pasarelas cultivating some new relationships, one of which I bar fined last night. This girl is actually much hotter than my Angel Girl, and her GFE ain't too bad. But, the cost is through the roof. I will go into more detail later on when I generate the emotionally heart wrenching details, and after I embellish the report with so much meaningless drivel.

I now have no less than 6 girls in Pasarelas, all of them superior to my Angel Girl with respect to looks, but perhaps not with respect to GFE potential, girls I have been cultivating now for several months. But, I do so, limiting my activities to clubs other than Infinito, so as to find new girls in clubs other than Infinito in order to maintain my relationship with my Angel Girl in Infinito.

However, if Angel Girl is choosing to dump the exclusivity arrangement, and she isn't interested in delivering GFE, instead taking my attentions and my loyalty to her, my sincere emotional loyalty, for granted, then I have a plethera of other girls lined up, girls that until last night, I held in reserve with respect to salida action.

Literally, I am scheduled to see two girls today and tonight. One from El Cielo, and one new one from Pasarelas. I also have a girl on the night shift at El Infinito, but I have been reluctant to feed the rumor mill there so I've been relatively careful, seeing her in the privados, and once bar fining her when she was on loan to Givenchy last month.

So, Angel Girl has some decisions to make. If she doesn't start to make an effort at being available, at least the same amount of effort that she willingly made with mis amigos on her visit to Taboo just last week, I will have to make decisions that will break both our hearts...at least it will break my own heart, literally due to forfeiting what has probably been the best GFE girl, the one closest to "acting" like a real girl friend, that I have ever met.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Now there you have it. Being with the girls after hours is an entirely different experience than being with them in the club or on a salida. I agree with you RTW. Lotta fun. What puzzles me is how they can continue to dance all night after they just got off work dancing all day.

Yes Carlos, Taboo is a fun for all. Notice the 'all' in there. I still want to drag you into one of these clubs one day. You look for gays and I will look at the lesbians :-)

USB, I say you hit el infi and continue to work on "V" girl. She's worth the trouble so long as you keep it strictly business. You know what I mean. But if you can stretch it beyond that, power to you. Remember, she's a pro with braces. But did you notice how other girls would not set with you saying you are "G" girl's man? You need to break that spell and establish a working relationship with the others like we discussed Sunday. (Sorry could not wake up early enough. We were knocked out).

You did not see me when 10 girls sat with me once at el infi. They gave me the biggest headache of my life and I ended up kicking, with my foot, my "X" girl out because she caused trouble. The other girls were cheerful because they know I favored her. I still do. But now that she's gone (married), I am back to my previous girls realizing why I liked them in the 1st place and trying out new ones. It even happened that my china girl was working at el infi that same night and joined the troops. Anyone ever hear a china girl mown in Spanish? I was setting at the 1st table as you enter the club. Do you think anyone noticed?

I miss my ‘X’. She marked the spot. I especially liked the fact that she called me at the hotel on Friday 2 hours before her wedding to say hello. … I know I will get her back…. I think I love her … NOT. I will always remember her when I hear Borat ... NOT. She laughed so hard at the theater watching that movie and would not stop saying “NOT” for 2 months straight. …. NOT. Right RTW?

Oh yeah, “El Infi” is what the girls call Infinito club. I, and some Taxi drivers, call it InfiERnito (little hell)

Once last note: Girls do, as a matter of fact, expect to be treated as friends and not as strippers when we take them out to those places such as Taboo or ArcoIris, or any other place outside the club. Even "X" girl, as naughty as she is, expected us to behave. And we do ... all while she is kissing a girl she just met only to bring her back with us to my hotel room to make out with. Go figure.

Wasted.[/QUOTE]

USB, hold on a minute. Look both ways before you cross.

Don't blow it away and don't rush. If I were you, here's what I would do at el infi: Hang out there when and however long I want. Talk and do the G girl while keeping my options. Will talk to the girls while G is with me or not to show that I, too, have options and am acting on them. Not to prove a point or anything. By that, I would have established my new playgrounds and will move on. Nothing more, nothing less. If G is available at the moment, I'll take her. If not, take the next girl. Take V girl. She'll make her jealous. But that's not the point.

What I'm saying, my friend, is not to blow G away punishing her for whatever she's doing. Just expand your playground and enjoy what you can get from her, or any other girl. Let them fight for you and not the other way around.

OK. Back to your other comments. How do girls know you're G's property? Come on USB. What else do girls do but talk about their experiences? They even tell the waiters. Yes, not only do the girls know. The entire club knows. And don't be surprised if the customers knew too.

And what do you think it would look like when you go to el infi and only privado your G girl? You do not call that exclusivity? Other girls will report what they see in the privados. Yes, they will come down and up the stage to tell all about it. Carlos and 'what's her name' are in privados. Wasted and X are doing it, USB and G are ... hmmm .. talking? Yes, it only takes less than a minute to spread the news. Faster than AP, or Reuters, can deliver.

No, it is not that simple. G did not tell anyone that you are hers. YOU told everyone that you are hers. Your actions re-affirm. I once wanted to pull a girl from the line-up when my other girls stopped me saying "no, she's Carlos' girl". G pushes the exclusive angle on you, and only on you, not on the girls. You push it on the girls when you exclusively privado her when she's there. And for how long? 8 dances at a time.

What I’m trying to say, USB, is that you have given her control over you while it should be you in control. You are, again, confirming this when you say "Angel Girl has some decisions to make". It is you who needs to decide and your decision 'must' be to play the field as you claim. I know you are a player. But you must play and not be played. No?

Don't rush. Don't blow away a beautiful thing. Treasure what you have and .. some other nice stuff like that ...

I am now in the middle of the same with "P" girl. She now shows extreme jealousy when I talk to, or even talk about, other girls. She sent me a romantic SMS while we were in the same room. The poor thing wanted to show it to me after I did not acknowledge it only to see that another girl, Lady J, has sent me another SMS saying she will spend Sunday with me. I keep her under control and keep her expectations in check. Lat thing I need is another Dreadvany, right Carlos?

Does this all make any sense to anyone? It's all about control. Carlos lost his voice and blew his head off repeating those words to us. Damm, now I'm making Carlos sound like our teacher .. :-) ... I guess we can give him that much. Afterall, he is the ring leader, is he not?

Just rmember those words when you are talking to any girl no matter how lovely (English) she is: El Arte del Engaño

El arte del engaño resulto ser tu mejor don,
y no digas que no, lo conoces a la perfección,
conocí que es el perdon en nombre de un tal amor,
pero la traicion fue la flecha que atraveso mi corazón.

HAy dolor, ay rencor y sentimientos encontrados,
Hay deseos de morir por no tenerte a mi lado,
pero ya no importa nada, el pasado quedo atras
y asi como llegaste ahora mismo te me vas.

Jamas te di la espalda y eso no puedes negarlo,
jamas te traicione y nunca quice hacerte daño,
pasaran los años seguiras en mi memoria,
pues tu has sido la unica en llevarme hasta la gloria.

Todo se derrumbo dentro de mi, dentro de mi,
(he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo)
de humo fue tu amor y de papel, y de papel
(he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo)
mira mis sueños como se queman,
mira mis lagrimas como no sesan por ti.

Y ya te habias tardado en inyectarme tu veneno,
he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo,
pero solo quiero y pido, seguir estando vivo,
para verte darte cuenta del error que has cometido.

Cuanto tuve entre mis mano, te lo di sin interes,
pero nunca fue suficiente por mas que lo intente,
demostre que era primero el sentimiento, no el dinero,
y si algo nos llebamos ha de ser lo mas sincero,

Se que no fui bueno demostrando sentimientos,
pero siempre he sido rudo, frio, duro como el hielo,
me hundiste en el infierno y la verdad no me arrepiento,
por que se bien que te ame hasta el ultimo momento.

Todo se derrumbo dentro de mi, dentro de mi,
(he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo)
de humo fue tu amor y de papel, y de papel
(he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo)
mira mis sueños como se queman,
mira mis lagrimas como no sesan por ti.
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Damm, I am so romantic.


Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Yeah, I find that very curious that all the girls seem to know that "Angel Girl" is "my" girl. But, the really interesting part of that is that I NEVER, EVER bar fined her from El Infinito, except one time, over two years ago, before anyone ever knew she even existed.

Until recently, we always have met discretely, with no public display evident to the rest of the girls with respect to my being interested in her, I have not bar fined her, never paying for a salida, and none of the girls ever witnessed my interest in her, other than to talk to her occassionally on the floor, or to take her into the privados, where I usually do nothing more than talk to her and patronize her for her financial benefit, usually to the tune of less than 5-6 dances per night if that many. Initially, before I started to see her exclusively, I bet we did not have but about three privados before she started to turn on the charm and indicate a desire to see me outside the club.

It's simple..."Angel Girl" has told all the girls that I am hers. "Angel Girl" has informed all the girls that I am legitimately hers, a novio, per se, which I accepted all along, and something that I decided was in my best interest when comparing relative GFE performance to other candidates at El Infinito.

But, I had never, prior to it being known in the club as public knowledge among all the girls, placed any dibs on her as being my exclusive girl. This came directly from Angel Girl, and was decreed amongst the other bar girls so she could see me exclusively, austensibly because I "mean so much to her"...maybe NOT, maybe, who knows...I like to think so, but I am not so naive to also believe uncategorically that it's true. I simply like her brand of GFE, a brand of GFE that's otherwise lacking from 90% of the girls in those clubs of Monterrey.

She keeps pushing the exclusivity angle, and I have foolishly bought into it because of her apparent, possibly manipulative, and potentially insincere, attempts to monopolize me as a client, novio, whatever...frankly, I don't get it. Perhaps it's because I patronize her in the privados...I guess that could have some intrinsic monetary value...5-6 dances every month or two...and seeing me outside the club for 500 pesos, when I pay for it...NOT!!!!!

But, when I start to think about why she would do it, and I consider the money side of the equation, it does not make sense. How does a girl profit from establishing an exclusive situation when there is little or NO money involved in our relationship outside the club.

But, guys, frankly, because "Angel Girl" is making less and less of an effort lately, I believe she takes my loyalty for granted, just as Carlos and MJ warned me would happen, an eventuality that I also expected to happen. My affections for her have always been 100% legitimate, and I show her in so many ways.

But, she has been full of excuses lately, and seemingly less attentive. Perhaps we have been married too long, and "necesito devorsiarme." For example, she has the time to attend Taboo with mis amigos, until 4am after work, but she doesn't have the time to go with me after work, or to allocate time for a guy that has more or less given her exclusive rights to his business in the club. She is blowing it. The tide is going to turn very shortly, and girls like "V" and many others will have their opportunity very soon if things continue to go this direction.

You see, up to now, I was perfectly willing to bestow exclusivity with a girl that reciprocates her attentions to the extent that Angel Girl committed herself in the past. As I have always claimed, I am giving her my undivided attention because she gives me what I like, great GFE. But, I have always said that I expected this circumstance to develop in time, and that if she were not very intellegent, and also quite disciplined, she would eventually forfeit her exclusivity rights.

We are at that juncture, especially after having made the effort she made to attend Taboo until 4am, dance all night long, and simultaneously give me excuses that she has to rest at home on her days off, and otherwise blow me off, even after I make the effort to come back to Monterrey to get some GFE from her exclusively, all the while, as she is giving me excuses, asking me to please "understand why she can't be here or there."

Listen, I may be cautious in El Infinito, mainly because I have already been through this sceario with "ANGRY GIRL," and I don't want a reoccurence with "Angel Girl." If I can salvage the Angel Girl scenario, then that IS my goal, not because I am in love with her, but because I am in love with her GFE. There is a big difference.

To illustrate my point, I have spent the last two nights in Pasarelas cultivating some new relationships, one of which I bar fined last night. This girl is actually much hotter than my Angel Girl, and her GFE ain't too bad. But, the cost is through the roof. I will go into more detail later on when I generate the emotionally heart wrenching details, and after I embellish the report with so much meaningless drivel.

I now have no less than 6 girls in Pasarelas, all of them superior to my Angel Girl with respect to looks, but perhaps not with respect to GFE potential, girls I have been cultivating now for several months. But, I do so, limiting my activities to clubs other than Infinito, so as to find new girls in clubs other than Infinito in order to maintain my relationship with my Angel Girl in Infinito.

However, if Angel Girl is choosing to dump the exclusivity arrangement, and she isn't interested in delivering GFE, instead taking my attentions and my loyalty to her, my sincere emotional loyalty, for granted, then I have a plethera of other girls lined up, girls that until last night, I held in reserve with respect to salida action.

Literally, I am scheduled to see two girls today and tonight. One from El Cielo, and one new one from Pasarelas. I also have a girl on the night shift at El Infinito, but I have been reluctant to feed the rumor mill there so I've been relatively careful, seeing her in the privados, and once bar fining her when she was on loan to Givenchy last month.

So, Angel Girl has some decisions to make. If she doesn't start to make an effort at being available, at least the same amount of effort that she willingly made with mis amigos on her visit to Taboo just last week, I will have to make decisions that will break both our hearts...at least it will break my own heart, literally due to forfeiting what has probably been the best GFE girl, the one closest to "acting" like a real girl friend, that I have ever met.[/QUOTE]

Aha, Wasted, so P has her hooks out on you? I kinda got that feeling on Friday night. She seemed dedicated to you and only you. She was a bit reserved around the rest of us even though she was clearly and extremely drunk. Well it must tiring to be so charming and magnetic, eh? ;)

You'll just have to bang a whole slew of new girls with her at the bedside in your room at the PDA to cure her. Although, I think I half convinced Mr. L that we should move the party to the Sheraton next time. Between us I think we have enough points to get a sufficient number of suites for a party royale. No more crappy ac or stuck toilets! Let's bring the joy girls of Infi to the club level of the Sheraton!


RtW

All of your points are well taken, and strategies that I fully agree with. IMHO, these strategy discussions are much more beneficial to the mongering hords than play by play reports about how many times we may have cum, or cum splashed reports about how hot this or that particular girl is.

The point though is that for quite a while the exclusivity angle was working to my advantage, totally to my satisfaction level. Point is, the exclusivity was based on a long past history of getting GFE from one girl in particular that far surpassed anything else I had every experienced.

It is no different than WastedG's "X" girl having that certain something about her that makes him want to select her. He may have played the field, and played the strategy differently than mine, but my strategy worked for me well enough for many months that I was pretty happy with it.

I did not want other girls because they simply did not compare when it came down to satisfaction level. It's no different than choosing your favorite barber, or your favorite car wash, or your favorite clothing brand, or your favorite anything. We all patronize the services that satisfy us the most, and we are generally not comparatively satisfied if we deviate to some other alternative that simply isn't up to our expectations.

It just so happens that WastedG has a couple of girls he likes, primarily it seems, "X' and "P", maybe "S" as a second string. So, exclusivity, while not outwardly being stated in so many words, exclusivity is still very much in play, and understandably so because of performance. But, in a wider sense, it is in play because WastedG and his minions limit themselve quite a bit to only one club, El Infinito.

There are good reasons to make El Infinito a primary hunting ground, but there are many more options that WastedG and his minions have totally overlooked in MTY. I understand why. The other places, most of them are more expensive. But, how does that differ with respect to my making exclusivity decisions based also on ultimate cost and satisfaction level?

But, when WastedG says he will sorely miss his "X" girl because of her recent marriage, I believe he loves her brand of performance, and I am not under any illusions that he has fallen in love with a hooker in the strictest sense. Do I think he loves her "game"? YES

But, for some reason, when I articulate that I am pleased with my selections, it is immediately construed that I have fallen hopelessly and madly in love with a hooker, that I have some kind of expectation for a future with her, that I am planning to settle down with her, etc...

Nothing could be further from the truth. I am happily married, and totally committed to my family and my wife. My extra marital acitivies are just that, and would never replace my circumstances at home...I would simply never consider such a thing, nor do I desire it. Do I care about the girls? Sure, I care about them as people, as friends, as providers that to a varying degree, give of themselves more fully, some more than others.

Angel Girl gives to me without restriction, even to this day when we finally do hook up, and she holds the favored position with me, but I have always told her that there will never be any legitimization of our relationship. So, from the very beginning, she understood the level of my real commitments. The way I articulated my commitments to her was to say that I prefer to be with her. But, if her availability fades, then she will certainly not be surprised if I look elsewhere.

If that be her preference, then the search has already started. Actually, it never stopped. It had stopped within the confines of El Infinito out of a preference for her, and because of my preference to patronize her, but my search never stopped in the other clubs (ie: 6 girls in Pasarelas, 2 in Harem, 2 in Givenchy, not to mention all the girls on the night shift in El Infinito, and even a few on the afternoon shift that I take into the privados when my Angel Girl is not working.

I am routinely accused of being in love with my Angel Girl, and with other girls that I report on with respect to my fondness for them...Many are missing the point. I am in love with the GFE. That is my motivation. When the GFE is lacking, I barely miss a beat at getting right back into the swing of bar fining whomever I choose, just as I did last night with a new girl from the Infinito night shift. The GFE from this new girl was not really to my liking, not to the comparitively superior standard provided by my Angel Girl in the past, nor does my Angel Girl lack anything even now with respect to her delivery of GFE for me.

It is now a matter of her availability, not a matter of her failure to deliver. I still do believe that when my Angel Girl is with me, the chemistry exists that provides me superior GFE, even now. I believe that the chemistry between us is not a lie...

But, lie or not, it doesn't really matter because while we are together, the effects of her GFE are satisfying to me. It seems that regardless of her broken promises, she is still "in the moment," sufficiently motivated, and with apparently sufficient sincerity with respect to her attraction to me, to seemingly crave the BFE as much as I enjoy the GFE, something that acts as a real catalyst to GFE. The bottom line is the quality of experience.

For many months, I have recipricated by seeking her out exclusively for GFE. Now that availability is becoming and issue, and opportunity is becoming an aggravation, I am falling right back into mongering lock step. I am right along with you guys, right in there...

It has been effortless for me to bar fine girls waiting in the wings within EL Infinito this week. I haven't missed a beat really. During the night shift, I have literally no less than probably four girls that are standing in line. I bar fined two new girls so far this week, one last night, and one from Pasarelas the night before.

I turned down another of them last night in Infinito that I would have actually preferred to take on salida, but unfortunately I had already arranged the bar fine with the other one. The one I took last night agreed to go for the cost of the bar fine, the 350 pesos to the bar, plus her own end, 800 pesos for 3 hours, 1-1/2 hours more than the bar authorizes her to stay out.!!! And, she kept her word and stayed the entire time.

Now, was her GFE up to the standard of my Angel Girl??? NOT EVEN CLOSE! But, I keep looking for girls that I at least enjoy. I enjoyed last night's salida girl, but I won't bar fine here again because I am literally spoiled. I will contine to look for the better GFE experience.

I have another girl that I am cultivating within El Infinito that delivered a mediocre experience with respect to GFE last month, our first bar fine, the girl from Givenchy, the one with the hairs in her food when we went to El Al Restaurant. Well, her performance, in all fairness, her GFE, was actually slightly better than mediocre. And, last night, her reaction to seeing me again was to beg me to wait for her while she had to go upstairs to do a privado so we could leave together on salida.

She did not realize that I was waiting for the other girl that I had already bar fined to come down after changing her clothes to leave with me. So, when she comes down from the privados, she will realize that she needs to work to keep me. If she delivers GFE to a higher standard this time, which I wholely anticipate, simply because it seems that we are growing closer following my original salida with her a month ago, then I might have found an acceptable alternative to Angel Girl. I don't think she is really capable of the depth of GFE that Angel Girl intrinsically has in her, but I am willing to give all an opportunity to outshine a sure thing in Angel Girl.

I just don't believe these other girls will accomplish with me the satisfaction level that Angel Girl has been able to achieve to date. I just don't see it in them. But, maybe this second one, the one I will possibly bar fine tonight if my Angel Girl continues to make herself unavailable, has the potential.

The real point in all this is that I am totally uneffected by Angel Girl's behaviors toward me with respect to having other options. It's just that I am not typically satisfied by patronizing the other options. I am remorseful, melancholy, and sad that the GFE is becoming more illusive from Angel Girl because I really love it. But, all along, I always realized that my situation at home made any real commitments, emotionally or otherwise, impossible, and foolish.

No...my commitments were in place as a commitment to her, that if she made herself available, and provided my brand of GFE, I would exclusively patronize her. The quality of GFE was never an issue up to now. That circumstance, the opportunity, is not presenting itself like it once did, so at this juncture, I agree with all you guys that I have nothing to lose by breaking the agreement between Angel Girl and me. But, were she making herself available, I would crave no other.

I agree that by my breaking our agreement, gracefully however, I may salvage some time with Angel Girl for the future, just so I can still experience a GFE that is delivered with more sincerity than what I've been able to find here in Monterrey othewise.

When I said that it is up to Angel Girl, that is exactly what I meant. If she starts to make herself available again, I will seek her out exclusively, not because I am in love with her per se, but because I am in love with her GFE, and with her mannerisms, and the way we interact. I will seek her out as long as the "thrill" lasts. In that sense, I love her because she provides something that none of these other girls has demonstrated to me, something that is very rare in MTY.

I do have some girls waiting in the wings that seem like they might come around with a little more work from me. But, so far, after five years of bar fining girls almost every day of the week I am here, a week at a time every month for five years, day in and day out, I can uncategorical report that there has been none better than Angel Girl, perhaps none better even based on my worldwide searches for GFE in foreign countries where the economic poverty is such that the girls really do fall in love with their benefactors.

And, there is one factor that everyone keeps pushing to the back burner...like it doesn't factor into the mix, and that's COST. With Angel Girl, my costs are really minimal. So with exclusivity came dirt cheap superior GFE. I mean, generally, she cost me about 500 pesos for no less than four hours at a time, and other times, as much as 1000 pesos for todo la noche, and other times, gratis. Literally, within Pasarelas, that cost is at least 5 times, and for a maximum of two hours. Within El Infi, that cost is probably three times for only 2 hours. My decisions to extend a measure of exclusivity to Angel Girl were influenced not only because I got superior sessions, but that I got them for a LOT LESS and for MUCH LONGER A TIME. It has really been a NO BRAINER!!!

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]You should write a book dude. I will be the 1st one to buy it. Call it "The Gringo Effect" or how about "I'm in love with a stripper"?

Well-said MJ, as always.

Wasted.[/QUOTE

I think somebody already wrote that book, perhaps by a slightly different title, and based mostly upon the Thai Girl scene if I'm not mistaken.

MJ said,

"To be honest, without knowing you first-hand, I think there is an element of genuine affection for the girl when you find one that you like. I think you do indeed fall for these girls and that's what makes the GFE for you- legit feelings for a chica that makes you think that she has legit feelings for you."

You just defined the ultimate GFE. Confirmed legitimized feelings have nothing to do with it because I take no action after the fact, no money, no leaving my family for a working girl, no private investigators following her around, no sponsorship with money while I am gone, no nothing...But, you are right, I am looking for the GFE. We defined GFE on the board before, but in a nutshell you have it pegged. To use another word combo, it's their "intrinsic charm" that makes them desireable to me.

"But I think you're being a bit disingenuous when you say that you only care about the service she provides you when that GFE that you crave is totally dependant on the affection and "feelings" that you have for that chica that seems to be corresponding with those feelings for you. "

I don't recall if I actually mentioned the "servicing" part of the equation with respect to GFE. I have little problem with any of them providing the "servicing" aspect. Most of them are quite capable of the mechanics, and I am generally satsified with that. I do have a problem finding those that know how to provide GFE. I am seeking chicas that are capable of the "charm" that is necessary to establish GFE. It doesn't matter to me if their feelings are legitimate or not as long as their ability to charm me is sufficient to be satisfying overall.

Most simply lack the ability to charm with any degree of believability. I am, I suppose, looking for escort quality girls, companion quality girls. They are much more available in foreign venues than in Mexico, because I have experienced their charm first hand in Asia, and Central America. It's simply that the girls of Mexico conduct themselves with little attention paid to providing GFE encounters.

The supply and demand curve here in Mexico is so disproportionate, that the girls don't feel the need to turn on the charm, instead seeing us as the recipients of their benevolent saving graces. They simply aren't motivated to provide the level of charm that rises to the level of GFE for their own financial gain. They don't need to work for our patronage because the demand far exceeds supply.

"However, the only thing that you are guilty of is that you perhaps ascribe characteristics to these chicas that they simply don't have. "Loyalty, Affectionate, Sincere feelings, Respectful" are characteristics that working chicas don't have. It's all about the game for them and when they can't see a way to win that game anymore, they just stop playing. Despite any sort of "Pretty Woman" idealism that we may have, nice women don't become hookers and the nice women that may occasionally become working girls, don't stay nice for long."

I guess it's all in how you view "respectable women." Frankly, the feminazi attitude of most "respectable women" in the US doesn't impress me when comparing them to these bar girls. As for comparing hooker quality, I would rather spend my time with a Mexican bar girl than a US call girl, and GFE is almost non-existent in the US.

All US women are out to "charm" their way to a better life. I've seen this disagreement discussed before on the boards, and there is always the camp that condemns all the working girls as coniving, low lives, and the other camp that basically says that all women are basically the same. In my opinion, "women are women." Obviously, some worse than others, just as there are bad men and good men, but each should be judged on the merits of their behavior individually. I don't say bar girls should be blindly trusted, but I don't trust them any less than I trust anybody else with respect to their self serving motivations.

All women manipulate us as men to get what they want. Just because they are hookers doesn't distinguish them from most women I know, many of which are out for themselves, and just as self serving as most bar girls I know. The only thing that distinguishes "respectable women" from hookers is that hookers are paid to leave.

Respectable women go about it in ways that have been established within our society as "respectable." Their respectable methods were established by their own gender in order to permit them to take advantage over us as men, to take advantage in ways that are acceptable to the sensibilities of women...and the feelings and needs of men be damned. This is especially true in American culture, less true in Latin culture, and almost non-existent in the Asia culture. These legitimized methods seem to legitimize their behavior making the same kinds of bar girl style coniving methodology seem more socially acceptable when practiced by respectable women. But, if you really analyze how all women use their charm to get what they want, using ways that are just as disingenous as a bar girl, there sometimes seems to be little difference in the final analysis.

"It's possible that you may find the pearl amongst the swine, but the search will drive you mad and take any joy away from mongering. Instead, have a laugh with the girls- as many as possible."

Not true...I got GFE in spades for 6 months by maintaining the illusion. The GFE would not have happened otherwise. I have received six months of regular, consistent GFE from Angel Girl. It breaks down this way...probably 40% good-mediocre experiences, 40% poor, and 20% GFE. But, you're right that it does drive me crazy looking for GFE in Mexico when it's so comparatively unavailable, but it is the only satisfaction I seek. I am not interested in routinely acceptable sessions.

"Don't be loyal to them, because they won't be loyal to you. And don't ascribe to them the same noble feelings that you may have in your heart. Then you will be free. You'll still get the GFE...and a lot more of it. You just won't have the hassle of dealing with the negative side of their personalities."

Now that the illusion may be dimming with Angel Girl, I agree with your strategy, but I do not expect to receive GFE from most of the girls I know here, and I have literally bar fined them by the hundreds over five years. Honestly, I am no longer interested in wasting my time and money on them, and my interest in mongering in Mexico deteriorates incrementally each time I experience a routine session. I have to admit that I'm growing intolerant over wasting my time and money, especially when all I can anticipate experiencing is another session of mediocre GFE-less performance. But, I try to keep a postitive attitude, hoping that I will occassionally hit on the 20% that's still out there, and they are out there. It's what keeps me going.

Mill[/QUOTE]

i don't mean to argue with your conclusions, which i believe are quite valid for you. but, my former post was to illustrate what the average gringo visitor to mexico can anticipate realistically based on my own experiences, and to report what i find even as a relatively frequent visitor to mexico, one that knows at least where to look for the vegetable patch.

and, frankly, i don't even believe that their percentages, those of average occassional visitors, will yield a success rate as high as mine, 20%, because i do have the opportunity to at least revist the venue relatively often in comparison.

i can see where it's possible for you to have better statistics than what i quoted, but for the most part, were i to apply such statistical probabilities to the average reader here, and to suggest that they might have such a rate of success, will only set them up for higher expectations and certain disappointment.

you have a huge advantage living in mexico, where you have the time, the patience, and the significantly reduced cost associated with cultivating and maintaining those gfe encounters.

this is the source of my frustration. when i find good gfe girls, i am aggravated when, after all the effort made, i lose my ability to influence them by being away from the venue. my absence contributes to their overall demise. it takes so much work to find and cultivate the best plants, that i am totally and completely frustrated when i return only to find that the skunks have dug them up, and rep001tered them to the wind.

my point in comparing mexico to other venues is that you do not need to live in those other venues in order to have the gfe encounters because the girls themselves have different attitudes right out of the box. there is no having to mold them into your preferred gfe over time. total abject poverty shapes them for us before we ever get there. those laws of short demand and a huge abundant supply make the harvest so much easier. it's amazing the effect total abject poverty has on the way in which the girls relate to their prospective benefactors from the get-go in these foreign venues, the pi, thailand, indonesia, colombia, and even costa rica and the dr.

i have no doubt that your success rates are valid mj, it's just that most of the gringos coming to mexico, probably the majority of our readers, will have a very hard road when it comes to finding our brand of gfe without considerable time being invested, myself included. we simply do not have the time on the ground, or the money to make it happen with such painstaking precision.

with respect to tossing girls aside, you're absolutely right. i first bar fined my angel girl back in 2005, and after the first time, she really didn't impress me. frankly, i thought at the time that she was relatively good in comparison, but i just sensed a hardness in her demeanor that suggested she was perhaps a little too ripe. it required a two year lapse of time for the stars to reallign, and for me to actually discover her hidden talents.

you're absolutely right, some of the girls don't exhibit evidence on the surface that they might be decent gfe candidates. and, that is where you have your advantage over most of us by living there 24/7. we simply don't have the time to divide the wheat from the chaffe with any kind of reliable methodology. and, as you so accurately pointed out too, the attitudes of the girls change as their profession spoils them by the day.

so, it's so important that you harvest them when they are ripe, not before, not when they are still green and and sour, but at just the appropriate time, before they turn to mush and/or go to seed. with your being on the ground 24/7, you can also cultivate them, keeping an eye on them constantly, perhaps even shaping them into your desired ultimate result.

the window of opportunity is very narrow, and being on the ground 24/7 provides you the opportunity to plant the seed, water, cultivate, prune, keep the vultures away, and harvest them just at the appropriate times.

the rest of us are like raccoons invading the corn patch, taking whatever is revealed as we peal away the husks, worms and all. :-)))))))))))

[quote=mill just]not true at all, my friend. i have gfe coming out my ears. my statistics are now as follows: 80% gfe and 20% regular service, but it took me time to cultivate these gfe's. you are being a bit unrealistic if you expect to come to town and get these chicas to open up to you completely just because you're a swell guy. mexicanas don't work that way.

a mexicana is like a crop; you have to plant the seeds and cultivate the land over a period of time before you can reap the harvest. you can't just plop in a seed and immediately pull out an ear of corn- even if you're the greatest farmer ever. but when you cultivate the land properly, there's no finer tasting harvest...

i just came back a few days ago from a trip to ixtapa with a club chica. we spent 4 days together on the beach and humped all day long. great, perfect gfe. but this chica started out as a cold fish that was purely a trophy fuck because she was so hot. in the beginning she was a clock-watcher, one-pop-and-out-the-door hustler. she warmed up over time and now she is the best. 4 days of humping in the sun=0 pesos. my only expenses were just the usual vacation expenses that i would've spent anyway (i.e. food, hotel, entertainment, travel).

now, if you were me, you would've tossed her aside for lacking the charm necessary for gfe and you would've lost out on a great provider. drawing on your comparison to "real" non-pro women. how many women are completely into you from the first moment they meet you? unless you're brad pitt, not many. you need to woo women over time and get them to lower their defenses- working girls are no different.

i don't mean this to sound confrontational, because it's definitely not meant in that spirit. on the contrary, you seem to be a good guy, who for the time and money invested, should be reaping much better service. it's not the chicas that won't loosen up, it's your approach. you need to be more of a bastard like carlos or wasted (kidding...sort of ;) )[/quote]

random thoughts about monterrey bargirls:

usb's definition of gfe: girl shows up either on time (without barfine/salida fee) and/or stays the whole agreed upon time for a discount. i'm not calling you cheap or anything (compared to me, you're a whale!) but just saying, in my experience, one gets what one pays/bargains for.

what's wrong with the mty bar scene: some of the more pontificating posters here spend money in the bars like it's water through a sieve: buying multiple drinks without even coming close to touching a girl, saying she's a "friend" or spending 500 usd a day and wondering why girls are clamoring to get next to him in the bar. it's dumb for me to try to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on anybody else's parade -- if you are having fun and it's not causing you a financial strain, well, go for it. but from a guy that's used to asian girls telling him they love him when they're making 10-15 bucks a day/night, seems to me that the mty "playas" are total fucking suckers. something that rings very hollow when they start giving other brethren advice about how they should play their hand.

usb, your "angel girl" obviously has better things to do on her day off than be with you for pocket change. my advise to you months back was to try and test her "love", and i think we all see how the test went. now the ball's in your court, as i told you the other day: either play by her rules and barfine her/up the ante, or (as others have wisely advised) -- move on!

mj, many of your posts rang true, while others ring quite hollow. you seem very jaded about your dealings with mexican bar girls. i know carlos and his perspective and know his perspective of working girls. your persepctive, though, sounds a little bitter, like you were jilted on several occasions.

i will hopefully find enough pesos between the sofa cushions to go to lunch this friday and say "bye" to usb. would be happy to pop any other mty monger's balloons while i'm there!

kidding... i really do wish you all would have the time of your lives there.

Last night, after attempting to find my Angel Girl at El Infinito, and also running a simultaneous errand for the WastedGman, I went to Pasarelas, a bar that seems to hold significant promise these days. But, before I get into that...

I had gone to El Infinito because I just wanted to touch base with my Angel Girl, test the waters, see which way the wind is blowing...and also I had to deliver love letters (a CD actually) to WastedG's "P" girl, well actually a very thoughtful and sincere CD of a song that will stir her emotions, and according to WastedG, the emotions of any Mexican girl whether she works in a bar or not. Good information to know for those of us that are engaged in seducing Mexican girls, be they pros or good girls. The song is entitled "Sadness" by Enigma, and it can stir the emotions deep in the soul of your prospective date. So take heed.

Each of these days, since Saturday, when I last saw my Angel Girl at work, I had always expected to see her at work on subsequent nights. She is off Sunday and Monday, so I didn't anticipate seeing her then because she lives so far outside of Monterrey. So, I decided that on Tuesday and Wednesday I would try to run into her at El Infinito to determine my options. She has always acted perfectly normal to me, and so I expected to find out if she was going to actually make herself available to me, or if she was just keeping me on a leash.

I have kind of become a little worked up because she does not seem to be quite as available as I would like, as you all know. But, turns out , because of the rain, she was not at work Tuesday or Wednesday night. She did not make the long bus ride in. She lives about two hours away from Monterrey, and she told me several months ago that when it rains, the roads are quite treacherous from flooding. She told me that she does not travel when it's raining. I initially thought that strange, but she does live kind of close to the mountain range here. I mean, I live in the midwestern prairies of the US, where we do have some flooding of the plains, but usually it's only an issue when we have many days of continuous rain, we don't worry everytime it rains.

But, sometimes here in Monterrey, when it rains, it really RAINS. The roads in the city fill with water, and you can end up like a drowned rat because when you step into the streets, you will literally step into about 6" of running water. And, not to mention the spray from all the vehicle as they whisk past and cover you with a sheet of water. I have heard of the dangers of living in or near the mountains, so I accept her concerns as being quite normal, and having validity.

I can see how people living in mountainous areas might need to be extra cautious. So, just as she had told me several months ago, she was not at work as it poured down rain outside El Infinito on Tuesday and Wednesday. I even noticed that some of the girls that work the night shift, girls that I know live in closer areas, maybe 45 minutes to an hour from El Infinito, were arriving late for their shift. As I was leaving El Infinito, I noticed Angry Girl arriving by cab at 11:30pm. That's pretty late to be arriving for the night shift, and I'm sure it was due to rain delay issues.

So, the weather here is having a real effect on mongering efforts. But, the important thing is...Angel Girl has not even been able to come to work since Saturday, so it isn't really like she has ignored me. I will be giving her the benefit of the doubt.

However, that does not mean I am giving her literal strict exclusivity, only so far within El Infierno and not within the totality of the bars in Monterrey. While in El Infinito the last few nights, I have cultivated new relationships, I now have no less than four new girls working the night shift that have all agreed to go on salida. One has already been on salida with me. Several last night were almost begging to go on salida. But, I had a different game plan for last night, and I wanted to go over to Pasarelas to scope out the options I've been working on now for over 4 months. So, I brushed off the prospects at El Infinito.

There are girls in El Infinito that are HOT, HOT, HOT, and I really can't wait to try them out should my Angel Girl decide that she is going to be unavailable. But, by the same token, I am extremely fond of my Angel Girl. I really appreciate her in almost everyway, and I prefer to be with her. So, if she makes herself available, I will stick with her. But, my activities in other bars will remain active. I am also quite sure that my Angel Girl is not so naive as to believe that I am inactive during her absence. But, I don't like rubbing that sort of thing in her face for strategy's sake.

My concern is that I not create a circumstance for her whereby she will feel as though she has lost face in her bar. So, if I take girls into the privados at El Infinito, I do so to interview them. I am known for almost completely restricting my activities in the privados to interviewing them, and maybe a little bit of horseplay and groping. But, generally, I am a very tame customer.

You know guys, I hear the recommendation all the time that I establish the rules, that I play the field, and that I openly patronize numbers of different girls to keep them all on their toes. But, my situation with "Angry Girl" (draw the distinction ANGRY versus Angel), makes me extremely cautious. With Angry Girl, I had always played the field. When I continued to see other girls in the bar after she cut me off, it made her anger toward me even more intense.

Here is what I believe distinguishes my circumstances from the "game" others seem to have with these girls, methods that I believe work well for them, Carlos, WastedG, etc...My game is perhaps a little different than theirs. Mill Just touched on it a little in his analysis with respect to my own "fantasy" GFE requirements, that the girl have at least a seemingly legitimate romantic link to me, versus just a porno-movie relationship. So, my "game" is such that in the process, I romance these girls with a certain degree of actual sincerity, which does yield for me, at least from some of them, the 20%, the GFE I enjoy.

I am under no illusions that this "romance" extends very far beyond the moment in time that we are on salida, other than I know that my presence is with them when we are not together, that I do occupy their thoughts as a friend, and maybe even so far as to be considered by them, a lover.

PLEASE, don't misconstrue those kind of statements as naivete, or green assed stupidity, or dilusions of grandure. I am grounded in the reality of what these girls do for a living, and I am totally aware of the fickleness of their commitments, and their sincerity, with my strict interpretation of their thought processes notwithstanding, I am not going to make any dumb moves with respect to my legitimate life.

It's just that becasue of my approach to them, and more importantly, their demonstrations of certain behaviors, I believe, based on their respective behaviors, all of which, the 20%, have varying degrees that suggest a romantic interest, or at least a sincere emotional connection being present...

That, just as Millust interpreted, is the basis of my GFE criteria. It is also another reason why I believe my stats are in the 20% range. Now, if I am totally dilusional, then fine...but, the bottom line is, the 20% is capable of making me feel it, and it's the reason they have attained such a position of influence with me. Remember, 80% of them don't impress me. Much more than 20% try to impress me, but only 20% pull it off.

So, my point is that I am able to strictly interpret the disingenuous behaviors of at least 80% of the ones that are trying. Well, make that 60% of the 100% that are trying. There is 40% of the 80% that are so crappy that they don't even make the effort, thereby faithfully maintaining the traditional lousy reputation that most accomplished mongers have for Mexican bar girls. If some of you take issue with those statistics, then I would be interested in hearing your interpretation of the breakdown.

I am under no actual illusions that the romance is lastingly real, but in the moment, with the 20%, I believe the romance is as real as it can get within the context of pay for play. I gage the "realism" of the romantic link through a series of criteria, and I make judgements of each candidate based on their reactions to me.

As I said before, most girls do not have the same range of reaction that bring the overall encounter to the level of my own strictly defined GFE. But, some do, whether they be legitimately romanced and having feelings in the moment, or whether they are merely good actresses, the reasons don't really matter if in fact they are living up to my GFE expectations. And, like I said before, the successes only involve about 20% out of 100% of the overall samples in the lab.

So, because I feel that my own satisfaction level is tied to this "romantic" link, I have to be relatively cautious at busting the fantasy bubble. This, IMHO, is exactly what happened with "AngRy Girl." Within these bars, IMHO, there is significant face saving involved, and I believe that my methods make the face savings aspect more of a consideration than some of you may be experiencing in your own circumstances.

That doesn't mean that your methods for you are not the better strategy for your satisfaction criteria for yourselves, but my "game" is played differently, and as Mill Just said, my GFE criteria make my playing of the game, just so I can acheive my desireable level of GFE to satisfy my own desires, perhaps a little different than the average monger.

I know most of you will say that I am turning mongering into rocket science, but please bare with me. The people that know me in business, also know me as very analytical and contemplative. So, I over analysis and over formulate strategy not only with respect to business, but to just as much an excess when mongering.

So, I am, because of my personality and my intrinsic makeup, forced to play the situation differently than the rest of you, because I realize the my preferred outcome is perhaps different than most of you. I will be cultivating new relationships within El Infinito, but I will do so with a level of discretion that will limit the "in your face" kinds of behaviors that originally got me into trouble with Angry Girl.

In addition, I am working diligently in other clubs, where I have numerous options. El Infinito is not the only game in town, and to be truly diverse, one should be working all the decent clubs as options for future salidas, which is my strategy.

I have been seeing the hottest girl in Pasarelas now for about 4 months...and she is a new girl for me, and never been on salida with me in the past, and, it's NOT Cindy #1. The result of my work came to conclusion last night, and the resulting GFE with this girl will illustrate much of what MJ had to say with respect to working the girls and cultivating the crop.

But, the more interesting thing about it is that I never thought this girl was really that interested in me. WOW, was I wrong. It just goes to show how unless you cultivate the crop fully, it can die on the vine...right, MJ? I will get into more detail in my upcoming report, much of which will deal with strategy, and much of which will also confirm what most of you have said with respect to playing them off against one another.

I will write a report on last night's salida with her...the result of that work over the last several months has resulted in an extraordinary GFE session with this girl last night, a girl that met almost all the criteria....certainly she met several of the most important ones. But, even her performance fell just slightly short of Angel Girl. But, conversely, "New Girl's" performance leaves doubt in my mind about the sincerity of her "romantic" interest. So, I have more work to do on her, or perhaps, just as I mis-interpreted her reactions to me before, I iam also mis-intepreting a connection that actually does exist. Only time will tell, and as Porker alluded to, I have learned well from the master at pinching my pennies. I will incrementally begin testing the limits of my "New Girl's" romantic interest through a Walmart style discount program, not immediately of course, but perhaps over time.