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[QUOTE=NewImage;2890079]Yes I know you don't go to Thailand for black but as an alternative to break the Yellow fever.
Anyone had any sessions with the African ladies. They seem to hunt in packs which I don't like, I would imagine they don't get many proposals.
Any idea of prices and performance.
Appreciate.
NI.[/QUOTE]My lone session with one was about five years ago in Pattaya it was nothing great and about market value at the time.
[QUOTE=LAHenry;2890106]Thanks for the post. I am curious too. I read sinfulkorean's reviews of ff were very positive. I also contacted FF, and tsgsideline, and some others. I'm concerned this is a bait and switch type of operation. You get a line to the booker, not the girl on the line. The booker is an a $$hole to be polite. He doesn't clarify the details of the service but just focused on making the booking. Rude and impatient. I suspect I'the be setting ourselves for a bad / poor experience. Although I have not tried, are you guys seeing a lot of face not matching actual scenarios? The booker says if face doesn't match photo, you can cancel free of charge. However, my concern is when you are in another hotel, not sure what tricks they (girl / pimp) could play with you when you refuse if girl doesn't match photo. Have any of you cancelled?[/QUOTE]I never encountered a rude booker, so either you were unlucky or something was lost in translation I suspect.
I admittedly never did cancel a booking, though I probably should have one time (girl's age was correct more or less, but she was sooo photoshopped that, yeah, it was her, but did not look nice at all in real life), but I'm quite sure there's no reason at all to be concerned about it as long as you cancel before you start anything. Except for a few cases where the fiwfans profile says it's not a real photo, but a "replica" or something like that, probably due to privacy reasons, all girls are the ones in the photos IME. So the problem is not bait and switch as much as someone being good at photoshop.
Worst that could happen is if you cancel several times is the agent will get fed up and block you, so you can't book with him again. Many of the girls also asked at first if I'm "ok with her". A few times I wanted to answer "hell yeah! Are you kidding me?" But I managed to control myself and just nod. I did complain once to the agent that the girl did not do some of the basic things listed on her profile, but just got a "sorry" in response and did not push it further.
Myself I like fiwfans. It's a bit of a gamble, true, but I've met some real babes there too, so as long as you accept that the surprise on the other side of the door will not always be good, it's an interesting way to spend the time.
[QUOTE=NewImage;2890191]Have just read (on another popular site that "sticks" in your memory) that the whole lady drink MO has changed. Appears that there is no guarantee of the girl actually staying with you and if you don't keep buying and buying its off to find another willing cash machine.
What's going on here? Is it that bad? Is it just in the big bars / clubs or is this across the board.
If I'm buying a girl a lady drink I EXPECT her to stay at least 20 minutes or so. If this new system IS the norm I can see me boycotting those bars that operate this way.
I work on the MO that the girl has to convince me to BF her, be f'ed if I put up with this shit!
NI.[/QUOTE]I'm curious also, returning to Bangkok next month. 6 years ago Angelwitch at Nana was a problem due to the ugly server rats scurrying around asking for ladydrinks. Billboard wasn't a problem. I tipped the mamasan upon entering and she always sent a hottie over to entertain me, so hot I never wanted to stay longer than 1 drink before barfining them. Never hassled by server rats there.
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Anyone had any sessions with the African ladies. They seem to hunt in packs which I don't like, I would imagine they don't get many proposals.
Any idea of prices and performance.[/QUOTE]A lot of black girls ply their trade outside Novotel on Soi 4. Walked past several times but never saw anything that caught my eye.
Back in December I had a session with a Tanzanian girl from TF. Average looking face but excellent body and very enthusiastic. Same rate asked for as the Thai girls.
It seems to me that about three quarters of the women on TF (Bangkok) between the ages of 18 and 30 are actually looking for a long term relationship. And, when their maximum age for their desired male partner is listed in the 30's or even 40, my chances of arranging a liason are small (my age is listed on the site as 59). In contrast, when I have been to Manila / Makati and gone fishing on PL, I can pretty much ignore the ages that are listed, and most of the girls respond to my greetings and want to meet, even when they say that the maximum age is 25! Not only do they want to meet, but they virtually always consummate the relationship.
Has anyone else noticed this? Is this difference a characteristic of the dating sites, or due to differences between Filiipinas and Thai women?
[QUOTE=Gladiator69;2890022]Saw this girl on TF. Booked her for later in the evening. When she showed up in the lobby, the vibe was strange. She was very reluctant with everything. Tried to kiss her after shower to get into the mood, but she was not into it. I felt like she didn't want to be there in the first place. It's like I was forcing her to do something she didn't want to do. I called it off, gave her taxi money and let her go. And she was mad.[/QUOTE]This is a good example, online is too risky. You know nothing about her, flirty, friendly, some passion, you have no idea and a good way to get a dud. Some won't agree but bars are the way to go unless you got time galore to shop around on the internet.
[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2890280]It seems to me that about three quarters of the women on TF (Bangkok) between the ages of 18 and 30 are actually looking for a long term relationship. And, when their maximum age for their desired male partner is listed in the 30's or even 40, my chances of arranging a liason are small (my age is listed on the site as 59). In contrast, when I have been to Manila / Makati and gone fishing on PL, I can pretty much ignore the ages that are listed, and most of the girls respond to my greetings and want to meet, even when they say that the maximum age is 25! Not only do they want to meet, but they virtually always consummate the relationship.
Has anyone else noticed this? Is this difference a characteristic of the dating sites, or due to differences between Filiipinas and Thai women?[/QUOTE]Found girls on TF to be more short term providers and PL about 50/50.
Alot of these sites are very much a time wasting exercise. Yes you might find a diamond but its a bit of work esp for a short time stayer. Better to hunt with what's on the ground there & then. So much changes in a day / week in these places. This is particularly true in the larger cities of Thailand. Plenty in clubs, GG bars and FL.
[QUOTE=NewImage;2890355]Found girls on TF to be more short term providers and PL about 50/50.
Alot of these sites are very much a time wasting exercise. Yes you might find a diamond but its a bit of work esp for a short time stayer. Better to hunt with what's on the ground there & then. So much changes in a day / week in these places. This is particularly true in the larger cities of Thailand. Plenty in clubs, GG bars and FL.[/QUOTE]I do not think you addressed my question. The issue is whether the TF women are more likely to actually be looking for long term relationships. It is clearly not a problem finding ST or LT on either web site. But I wonder if TF is becoming more of a regular dating site, and less of a site where girls are looking for P4 P. There are plenty of diamonds on both sites and for people like me (who hate bars) and really like the "non pro", TF is still my best bet in Thailand.
Make no mistake, every girl is looking for a long term relationship. #1 priority is taking care of her family (parents primarily, younger siblings and her own children second) which she will do at any cost. You will occasionally find a middle / upper middle class girl looking for the latest phone or designer hang bag but 99% of them would stop tomorrow for a reliable meal ticket. I've been at this a long time and don't care to spell out my credentials but this is a fact.
[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2890362]I do not think you addressed my question. The issue is whether the TF women are more likely to actually be looking for long term relationships. It is clearly not a problem finding ST or LT on either web site. But I wonder if TF is becoming more of a regular dating site, and less of a site where girls are looking for P4 P. There are plenty of diamonds on both sites and for people like me (who hate bars) and really like the "non pro", TF is still my best bet in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2890244]A lot of black girls ply their trade outside Novotel on Soi 4. Walked past several times but never saw anything that caught my eye.
Back in December I had a session with a Tanzanian girl from TF. Average looking face but excellent body and very enthusiastic. Same rate asked for as the Thai girls.[/QUOTE]I was always curious too but was worried that there was a pimp following them around.
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2890365]Make no mistake, every girl is looking for a long term relationship. #1 priority is taking care of her family (parents primarily, younger siblings and her own children second) which she will do at any cost. You will occasionally find a middle / upper middle class girl looking for the latest phone or designer hang bag but 99% of them would stop tomorrow for a reliable meal ticket. I've been at this a long time and don't care to spell out my credentials but this is a fact.[/QUOTE]I can't argue with your 99% figure.
But I have also been at this a long time and in my experience, at least with the outright P4 P girls, that holdout 1% constitute the ones that are the hottest, best in bed and most appealing to want an ongoing long term "arrangement" with in the first place. It turns out they are the ones who can and will decline an offer of good money on a regular basis to merely stop over for a session 2-3 times per week in favor of flaking out, not showing up and choosing to party and drink with their girl friends and new and different men.
They might talk a good game about wanting a good guy who provides that reliable meal ticket and support for the family. But my experience so far has been 4 out of 4 of those sweet young things who fall within that 1% who are the ones I could see myself wanting to session with every week into the future flake out on the deal usually by the middle of the first week. LOL.
The family and the meal ticket come in at a distant 2nd and 3rd place behind the fun, partying and drinking they can enjoy and still make pretty good money.
The other meh 99%? Sure, they might jump at and honor that reliable family support and meal ticket deal for long periods of time. Might. But it is going to be a tedious grind seeing a girl from that group over and over again week after week, imo.
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2890365]Make no mistake, every girl is looking for a long term relationship. #1 priority is taking care of her family (parents primarily, younger siblings and her own children second) which she will do at any cost. You will occasionally find a middle / upper middle class girl looking for the latest phone or designer hang bag but 99% of them would stop tomorrow for a reliable meal ticket. I've been at this a long time and don't care to spell out my credentials but this is a fact.[/QUOTE]Here is an experiment to you TF guys. Put a pic of you looking old and gnarly ywith a stack of hundies and count your responses. Then take the pic down and count your responses.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2890446]Here is an experiment to you TF guys. Put a pic of you looking old and gnarly ywith a stack of hundies and count your responses. Then take the pic down and count your responses.[/QUOTE]Nyezhov, for those of us who don't have pictures like that easily available, could you send us a selfie to make it easier to conduct said experiment?
TF is IMO worth the time if you 1) are staying in Bangkok for some weeks 2) Spend a lot of time in front of your computer anyway due to work reasons so you can easily fire of a message now and then 3) start chatting a few weeks before arrival, know where you will be staying, and give the impression that you're already there. If doing that and looking presentable, you have a fair chance at meeting up with regular girls / woman for a normal date, and if that happens, a good chance of her wanting to join you in bed later. Same as in the West, except you being white and different gives you an extra point or two on the 1-10 beauty scale. I consider myself a solid 2 when in Thailand, so my odds increase greately.
🤣129315;129315;129315; the beav likes your style. I actually did exactly this on a recent trip to eastern Europe for a girl I really wanted to meet. She was a hard nut to crack but I got what I wanted so I can't argue with the results.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2890446]Here is an experiment to you TF guys. Put a pic of you looking old and gnarly ywith a stack of hundies and count your responses. Then take the pic down and count your responses.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I wasn't clear but there are party girls out there, as far as I'm concerned they fall into the same group that are looking for the latest gadget or overpriced hand bag.
I sessioned with two soapy girls a couple months back (in a couple hour span, thanks cialis!) and they were both supporting their families from one of the many rural parts of Thailand which is the same story I've heard for 20+years.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2890407]I can't argue with your 99% figure.
But I have also been at this a long time and in my experience, at least with the outright P4 P girls, that holdout 1% constitute the ones that are the hottest, best in bed and most appealing to want an ongoing long term "arrangement" with in the first place. It turns out they are the ones who can and will decline an offer of good money on a regular basis to merely stop over for a session 2-3 times per week in favor of flaking out, not showing up and choosing to party and drink with their girl friends and new and different men.
They might talk a good game about wanting a good guy who provides that reliable meal ticket and support for the family. But my experience so far has been 4 out of 4 of those sweet young things who fall within that 1% who are the ones I could see myself wanting to session with every week into the future flake out on the deal usually by the middle of the first week. LOL.
The family and the meal ticket come in at a distant 2nd and 3rd place behind the fun, partying and drinking they can enjoy and still make pretty good money.
The other meh 99%? Sure, they might jump at and honor that reliable family support and meal ticket deal for long periods of time. Might. But it is going to be a tedious grind seeing a girl from that group over and over again week after week, imo.[/QUOTE]