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[QUOTE=Lou32;2738654]Yeah, the pool is covered by a black mesh screen so that office workers in the nearby high rise buildings don't look down and see too much "inappropriate" activity (that is how it was explained to me).
So no direct sunlight equals extra cool water.[/QUOTE]No offense to anyone here but the mansion is overrated.
[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2738398]I really liked Haven. It's was pretty nice had a rooftop pool and bar and guest friendly.[/QUOTE]Ditto on Haven. Their rooms are awesome (some of them have in-room jacuzzi or on the balcony). Free buffet breakfast has a pretty good spread including eggs and deli. Security is always visible in the lobby. Down side is after 1 girl / day they charge 100 k COP for 2nd girl on. You may be able to get them through without registration at certain times of the day. Great beds, linens, towels, room service. Also. Make friends with the security and tip well for a better stay. Pool is only open I think until 6 pm or so (that's where your in-room jacuzzi comes in). They also have a sister property Viktory that was under renovations when I was there but similar types of rooms if willing to pay a premium to stay in that area.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738329]Yes. But that is not to say that being selfish is a bad thing. I love McDonald's, but if they are going under am I going to send money to help keep the company afloat or am I only interested in helping McDonald's out when I am there in person getting burgers and fries for the money I am handing over? With that said, if I was starving to death would McDonald's rush over with a couple of free Big Macs? Probably not.
If he was there horny as a horndog with no money, would the chick (assuming she is a hooker) rush over to give him some free pussy? Probably not.[/QUOTE]You've got to get off of McDonald's. Every damn thing you compare to McDonald's and it usually doesn't work. Let's change it to something more realistic.
Let's say that Sophia sells homemade tamales. Every day she makes a fresh batch and visits local office buildings and construction sites selling her tamales. She uses the money to support herself and her family.
Now you have something comparable. Both Sophia and the random prepago are selling their own product, as sole proprietors, instead of a multinational, publicly traded corporation. It's unlikely that the board of directors for McDonald's knows who you are, no matter how often you eat there. However, if you're a regular customer of Sophia's, she probably knows your name.
If Sophia doesn't show up for a few days, one or more of her customers might wonder why, might do some checking and might find out she's been sick and can't work. Those same concerned customers might take up a collection to help Sophia out until she recovers.
In this situation, do you toss a few dollars into the hat, or do you only offer to help if someone is promising you free tamales in the future?
Of course with the random girl on Whatsapp there's always a good chance that her crisis is all bullshit.
If a random monger is in Medellin and has no money, his priority should be either getting money, or getting back home where he can get some money. I speak from experience. I can tell you that when I was flat broke in Laureles I wasn't wasting my time messaging prepagos looking for free sex.
I disagree with the "never send money" view on a personal level, while recognizing it as good advice for the new mongers. Instead, I assess each situation, considering also my current cash flow, and make a decision. The one factor which is never part of the process is "what's in it for me?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738361]Ask her how much the average Colombian makes in a month. Then when she answers say and you seriously think someone is going to give you 900,000 pesos for a couple of hours? Since 200 sounds like a low number for currency for them, they think it is nothing to us.[/QUOTE]Why? Is it really worth your time to debate comparative economics with someone who at best has a high school education?
Should I be doing the same? When I take my truck in for repair and see that the hourly labor rate is $165, should I point out that the average American earns $11 per hour?
Instead, avoid the confusion from the very beginning. If she says "200", respond with "200 mil pesos, si?" If she insists on dollars, thank her for her time and walk away.
[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2738481]
I get phone numbers from all types of locals when I travel incl cops, merchants, business owners, novias, putas, gringos, you name it. With all those encounters I have yet to meet one, except for the gringos, where I would gain anything from their friendship or me not being a source or an opportunity. If you can't tell yet I'm all about a balanced scale. Life itself and everything in it should be so or at least I try to make it so. I don't even consider myself wise, what I maintain is basically learned over years w some experience, and some good pointers by few fellow travel buds. [/QUOTE]Differences in socioeconomic status do complicate things but I strongly disagree with some of this. I think there is a load to gain from making local friends including normal girls and those relationships are far from always about money. You can find truly good people out there that are not after your money and they may even refuse gifts when you offer to give things to them. Making local friends gives you access to information, whether it be who is a trustworthy or good dentist or doctor, what's a great place to eat or a fun area to see, and where is safe to go and not. You also get more interesting and authentic experiences when you travel if you have people that invite you into their homes, to go party with them, or want to take you places that they know and love you may never have even heard of. That is worth a lot to me.
I also think there is a lot to gain from friendships with people of different backgrounds and economic status than you more generally. In the US some of my best friends are Latino and quite a few are working class and undocumented. I easily make friends with them because I speak good Spanish and have visited much of Latin America, especially Central America where a lot of the local Latino population is from. When I do renovations on my house, I use a friend who is a contractor, and its great because 1) I trust him completely and know he does excellent work and 2) he charges me a fraction of what he'd charge you (and I know because I've helped him make estimates for his clients). I'm also friends with other contractors, a mechanic, a gardener, and a barber and they all take care of me. They either do things for free for me or at way below market rates. I help all of them how I can, mainly helping translate Spanish to English and vice versa, with computer-related things, documents, or advice and I've even helped one post bail before after a traffic issue (not with the money but his wife needed a citizen / resident to sign him out). They do not have close to my level of education or socioeconomic status but I still benefit greatly from their friendships.
[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2738661]No offense to anyone here but the mansion is overrated.[/QUOTE]Overrated for what?
It is what it is. For some guys it's heaven on earth. For others it's a complete waste of money. Many newbie mongers can benefit greatly from a few nights at the Mansion. Even some experienced mongers find that it fits their style.
[QUOTE=Recondite;2738682]Differences in socioeconomic status do complicate things but I strongly disagree with some of this. I think there is a load to gain from making local friends including normal girls and those relationships are far from always about money. You can find truly good people out there that are not after your money and they may even refuse gifts when you offer to give things to them. Making local friends gives you access to information, whether it be who is a trustworthy or good dentist or doctor, what's a great place to eat or a fun area to see, and where is safe to go and not. You also get more interesting and authentic experiences when you travel if you have people that invite you into their homes, to go party with them, or want to take you places that they know and love you may never have even heard of. That is worth a lot to me.
I also think there is a lot to gain from friendships with people of different backgrounds and economic status than you more generally. In the US some of my best friends are Latino and quite a few are working class and undocumented. I easily make friends with them because I speak good Spanish and have visited much of Latin America, especially Central America where a lot of the local Latino population is from. When I do renovations on my house, I use a friend who is a contractor, and its great because 1) I trust him completely and know he does excellent work and 2) he charges me a fraction of what he'd charge you (and I know because I've helped him make estimates for his clients). I'm also friends with other contractors, a mechanic, a gardener, and a barber and they all take care of me. They either do things for free for me or at way below market rates. I help all of them how I can, mainly helping translate Spanish to English and vice versa, with computer-related things, documents, or advice and I've even helped one post bail before after a traffic issue (not with the money but his wife needed a citizen / resident to sign him out). They do not have close to my level of education or socioeconomic status but I still benefit greatly from their friendships.[/QUOTE]It's not often that I read a post which makes me want to buy someone a beer. I like your style.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738550]So you think she deserves something the first time but does not deserve something the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time she asks? You think her kids should eat because they are hungry the first time but not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time? You think they should have medicine or lights the first time but not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time? Why care about it the first time but not care about it subsequent times? I tend to not care about it from the beginning.
If I do not tell them a flat out no, I say well I have the day off Saturday, but I will ask my boss if I can go in and work 8 hours so I will have money for you. That sounds ridiculous to most people. Then they realize that our money comes from actually working and it does not just magically appear for us to give away. Then they will say nevermind.[/QUOTE]Say what? I just help a little, at times, when I want, if she's been the type that's done me right.
I don't over complicate it.
I don't put anyone on an allowance.
I either say yes or no, I don't evaluate her budget, her family, her situation, etc.
I know your mantra, and that's Ok, that's your thing.
I help out a deserving person, at times, at that moment, if I want.
I've said No, way more than yes.
Read Surfer's Post on this.
He said it right.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2738563]
I understand that if someone care's for someone how that might effect them in the situation being talked about, yet in reality, most of these women are just playing us all. And you can't blame them, so I try to balance how I deal with it, not giving much, yet something at times, and the dividends have been unreal.
[/QUOTE]Right on Surfer.
Pros and cons? Girl friendly?
I think your plan is solid. I'm going to enjoy reading about your journey into Centro rat status. My gut tells me that is where you will wind up but time will tell.
[QUOTE=WeeDonk;2738506]Yoooo! Hello fellow mongers. Inaugural post here on the international side, I've got a few posts on the USA end of things with "Earlystart83" profile. Wanted to give a shot out to the active accounts that share knowledge and experience here and really give a huge head start to those that want to do a bit a research. Respect!
Tiny background: late thirties, American, 50 nations, tons of states. Mongered in many of those spots despite the vast majority of the trips not being "mongering trips". . Done some quintessential legs of the worldwide monger scene: Thailand, Tijuana, Brazil, Vietnam, DR, Costa Rica, Holland, Germany etc etc. Experienced the high end FKK / thermas styles, revolving door Hot Tocs (blow job salons), to abandoned lot / back alley <$10 streetwalker blowjobs in sketchy areas. Really enjoy the streetwalker tango in USA despite all of the potential risks (cops, getting robbed, drug addicted chicks, hyper low quality broads at.
Times etc). The thrill of that can be pretty exhilarating and sometimes you can find some diamonds in the rough. But that is specifically about just getting a blowjob in the car here and there. Done some fun streetwalker car acquisitions in Italy, CR, DR. But generally it's been by foot when I find myself abroad, so I'm ready to hit the pavement in MED.
I'm so excited to try Colombia. Heard about the quality and quantity for over a decade but the trip just never came together. From what I've gathered it's a special place with a lot of different options and styles. Here's my proposed plan: I'm there for 5 days. I know I love a good street scene and from what I've deduced from some research is: like all.
Places there is a certain level of risk, much lower percentage of top level chicks (compared to other higher end options), but with experience and some Spanish skills there are some treasures to excavate. I've got a seemingly solid air Bnb within about 12 blocks of plaza Bortero (south west of it across Oriental, seemingly not crazy sketchy based on reviews and research). I figure I can just hop over to some of the centro areas I've jotted down and peep the scene and slowly start to gauge the situation. I have no desire to hit Llera. Might hit up a few casas. I'the like to have at least one La isla type experience to see what the top end looks like so I can compare to the same levels / styles elsewhere in Brazil, Germany, Hong Kong etc. But I'm way more excited about the full on freelance scene where there are a wider range of variables, you satisfy that addictive feeling of a chase / hunt, and there is plenty of room for negotiation.
Would be stoked to hear what some of y'all think of that plan. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and YMMV but I know what I like and from what I hear, the centro street scene rivals any as far as price: quality goes. I'm aware of most pitfalls and I keep my head on a swivel so I'm not one to fall victim to most bonehead situations. I've also been known to love to ask girls to take photos and / or film which doesn't seem as conducive while chasing tail in higher end / nice spots or even most casas. My goal isn't to get deals, and awesome rates, it's just to get find high quality Colombianas, and once they've proven their worth, keep 'them around for more hours, overnight, or even repeat. Thoughts / advice?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Recondite;2738682]Differences in socioeconomic status do complicate things but I strongly disagree with some of this. I think there is a load to gain from making local friends including normal girls and those relationships are far from always about money. You can find truly good people out there that are not after your money and they may even refuse gifts when you offer to give things to them. Making local friends gives you access to information, whether it be who is a trustworthy or good dentist or doctor, what's a great place to eat or a fun area to see, and where is safe to go and not. You also get more interesting and authentic experiences when you travel if you have people that invite you into their homes, to go party with them, or want to take you places that they know and love you may never have even heard of. That is worth a lot to me.
I also think there is a lot to gain from friendships with people of different backgrounds and economic status than you more generally. In the US some of my best friends are Latino and quite a few are working class and undocumented. I easily make friends with them because I speak good Spanish and have visited much of Latin America, especially Central America where a lot of the local Latino population is from. When I do renovations on my house, I use a friend who is a contractor, and its great because 1) I trust him completely and know he does excellent work and 2) he charges me a fraction of what he'd charge you (and I know because I've helped him make estimates for his clients). I'm also friends with other contractors, a mechanic, a gardener, and a barber and they all take care of me. They either do things for free for me or at way below market rates. I help all of them how I can, mainly helping translate Spanish to English and vice versa, with computer-related things, documents, or advice and I've even helped one post bail before after a traffic issue (not with the money but his wife needed a citizen / resident to sign him out). They do not have close to my level of education or socioeconomic status but I still benefit greatly from their friendships.[/QUOTE]You're going on a rant disagreeing and it's fine but we're talking about two diff things. Obviously we all make friends locally back home and I never mentioned anything or issues of such LOL. I'm speaking strictly about befriending mostly girls we bang overseas especially in 3rd world areas (Germany and major countries excl LOL), or the random local that want to be friend cause you're a gringo w some green. Come on man I never implied no one is ever helpful locally or genuinely helpful. My family's from a poor country so I'm sure I got more of those friends and fam than you. If not that'd be absurd.
I'm referring to first of all becoming friend w a puta, then a local you're banging and the random asking for money which is false and silly and plain dumb if you become that guy who keep sending. Then local dudes who want to keep in touch to ask you for an iphone or shoes when your coming to town. The normal people outside of that you meet at home or abroad isn't part of this convo.
This topic is important bc we don't just travel to blend it, we actually stand out like weeknd millionaires spending and banging spending thousands, the amount of money some of us spend in one trip some of those poor folks don't see in a year, we all knows. Once you get the little emotions and humanity feelings out of the way you'll realize in general those friendships arent real, far from.
You admitted it yourself, socialeconomic status do complicate things. You can't have it both ways bruh. Either be a humanitarian and go help save the world with your might, remove the front door from your home so all local homeless folks can come to sleep LOL, or. As a monger and degenerate like the rest of us you watch out for rats everywhere. Not that complicated.
[QUOTE=WeeDonk;2738506]Yoooo! Hello fellow mongers. Inaugural post here on the international side. My goal isn't to get deals, and awesome rates, it's just to get find high quality Colombianas, and once they've proven their worth, keep 'them around for more hours, overnight, or even repeat. Thoughts / advice?[/QUOTE]My thoughts on this, well first off, it's obvious that you haven't RTFF going back a at least a few months.
Granted there is a huge backlog of posts to read, but you will not achieve what you want to do in five days, and you will only scratch the surface here with all the mongering venues, and unless you have some Spanish speaking skills it's going to be tough, and if you think a translator is going to handle any language issues, well good luck with that.
Your probably better pressed to stay at the Mansion, and hire a driver / guide to take you around.
This is my recommendation for a maiden voyage only lasting five days.
I'm not trying to be an asshole about this, but you asked, and this is my advice to you.
Some guys show up here, and think since they've mongered all over the world like you that it might be a cakewalk here.
Well it won't be until you've spent a fair amount of time here.
What you would like to achieve on your maiden voyage is akin to a wet dream.
Sorry to be so blunt about this, but you asked for thoughts and advice and hopefully you have thick skin.
Good Luck!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738329]Yes. But that is not to say that being selfish is a bad thing. I love McDonald's, but if they are going under am I going to send money to help keep the company afloat or am I only interested in helping McDonald's out when I am there in person getting burgers and fries for the money I am handing over? With that said, if I was starving to death would McDonald's rush over with a couple of free Big Macs? Probably not.
[/QUOTE]Thats a poor analogy though. You would help a person presumably bcos you care about that person. That person might need help whthere you there or not. Its like helping a friend out. Would you tell a friend from back home that you don't want to help them until you get home, so you can chat to him and share in his company while your helping him? That would seem a rather bizarre reaction, no? Whereas McDonalds. You don't care what they do when your not there. They may as well close down and wait for your return before reopening as far as you care. Put the burgers back in the freezer.
[QUOTE=RacShack;2738449]I also love a pool, but heard many times the pool at Mansion is very very cold and hardly ever anyone swims in it, including the girls, just a heads up.[/QUOTE]Correct. There are hardly any heated pools in MDE. NIght temps average 17 C so you can imagine how cold the water gets. I need a thick wetsuit to swim in that. Best pool in MDE that I know of is the Dann Carlton. Big, warm, holiday ambience.