Panama City

[QUOTE=JLMiami;2155163]Does anyone know if there's a chica fee at the Crowne Plaza or the Hilton, and, if there is, the amount? The $30 at the Hyatt has made that place unappealing. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have so far written to Hyatt headquarters about this scam!

I spelled out in my letter, that once I pay for the room, I can have as many guests as I want.

I spelled out the following scenarios:

1 I'm doing business in their city and I want to hold a meeting in my room.

2. I want to have a drink with a friend before we go out to dinner.

3. My co-worker is staying at a different hotel, and wants to see my room and how the pool area is.

4. Do they enforce this fee, if my guest is male? If not there being prejudiced against heterosexuals!

In your own letters come up with other scenarios!

I really like the hotel but this is bad business!

Also post negative reviews on TripAdvisor, Google and so on, if enough people complain about.

This scam, they'll lose business and will change there practice!

Amen LuvPanamaBabes. I wrote two letters to Hyatt, first one was for the thing they serve at breakfast and claim it is 'food' -nah far from it unless since last May things have improved but I doubt it. Hyatt responded to it with the generic blah blah 'thanks for your feedback'.

My second letter to them was what turned out to be very embarrassing issue for a real estate agent I was meeting in Hyatt lobby. This is how it went -she came to meet me at Hyatt and plan was to go on a short condo seeing tour in the banking area. We were talking on the left side of the entrance where the seating area is. I offered her coffee and we started to walk towards the cafe which is on the right side of the front desk past the elevators. As we stepped past the front desk and we were not even close to turning to the elevator, the jack as* front desk guy in Spanish asks her for her cedula and addresses me in English that she needs to provide ID. We were both taken aback from such behavior by the front desk. I am sure I was partly to blame from my previous day's extra curricular activity but the presumption on the hotel's part that any girl walking with a male hotel guest is a working girl is outrageous. At Hyatt & Marriott like places, men do conduct business other than why we are here for!

I wrote a lengthy letter to Hyatt including the name of the offending front desk clerk -never heard back from Hyatt.

I strongly believe in BDS (not BDSM guys) movement -since we can't impose sanctions, we should at least stop giving them our business in PTY.

[QUOTE=LuvPanamaBabes;2155377]I have so far written to Hyatt headquarters about this scam!

I spelled out in my letter, that once I pay for the room, I can have as many guests as I want.

I spelled out the following scenarios:

1 I'm doing business in their city and I want to hold a meeting in my room.

2. I want to have a drink with a friend before we go out to dinner.

3. My co-worker is staying at a different hotel, and wants to see my room and how the pool area is.

4. Do they enforce this fee, if my guest is male?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvPanamaBabes;2155377]I have so far written to Hyatt headquarters about this scam!

I spelled out in my letter, that once I pay for the room, I can have as many guests as I want.

I spelled out the following scenarios:

1 I'm doing business in their city and I want to hold a meeting in my room.

2. I want to have a drink with a friend before we go out to dinner.

3. My co-worker is staying at a different hotel, and wants to see my room and how the pool area is.

4. Do they enforce this fee, if my guest is male? If not there being prejudiced against heterosexuals!

In your own letters come up with other scenarios!

I really like the hotel but this is bad business!

Also post negative reviews on TripAdvisor, Google and so on, if enough people complain about.

This scam, they'll lose business and will change there practice![/QUOTE]In theory you have a point but, we all know and hotel staff especially knows the difference between a co-worker, friend, business associate and a prostitute.

If it becomes too troublesome they will just stop letting in guests who obviously are there as paid company. To the keen Panamanian eye it is easy to tell who is a working girl and who isn't even if the girl is not dressed as such. Actually its pretty easy for anyone to tell. Older guy, way younger girl and a hot silicone enhanced face / body. Mongers who stay at the Hyatt are such a tiny fraction of their overall business and, that is why the tolerate it while also being able to capitalize on a guest fee. The last thing the Hyatt wants is to be known as a prostitute hotel. They have to much to lose. Don't get me wrong the fee sucks and I hate paying guest fees but, I can also see the business side of it.

[QUOTE=Mfins;2155614]In theory you have a point but, we all know and hotel staff especially knows the difference between a co-worker, friend, business associate and a prostitute.

If it becomes too troublesome they will just stop letting in guests who obviously are there as paid company. To the keen Panamanian eye it is easy to tell who is a working girl and who isn't even if the girl is not dressed as such.[/QUOTE]Mongers just don't get it. They are in their own little world. Oh you mean this same real estate agent that is here every week to take a different guy to see condos, but always has to go to his room for coffee first? Well last week the story was that she was a fashion designer.

[QUOTE=JLMiami;2154770]This, too, is subjective, but Colombia now seems way better than Panama. Hell, Miami is probably better now, too, when you factor in the cost of flights to PTY vs. MIA. In Miami, you can order reviewed, verified GFE escorts off the internet for as low as $160/ hour without needing to screw around buying drinks, negotiating, and then paying a chica fee.[/QUOTE]What board is the best for escort reviews in Miami?

[QUOTE=JLMiami;2155226]Has anyone been to Elite or LE Palace lately? If so, how was it, strictly in terms of stripper attractiveness (and not takeout, etc.)?[/QUOTE]Elite and LE Palace are the top of the top of stripclubs in Panama. The owner. A french guy, has a very special taste for the ladies that work there. You will not find any dark skinned girls, and if you do, it will be because she is tanned. Most of them are white girls and ULTRA HOT. Centerfold type.

[QUOTE=JLMiami;2154765]As of late last fall, Panama now requires a visa for Venezuelans, and it appears Panama is cracking down on Colombians as well, at least those who are working in Panama as opposed to visiting.[/QUOTE]The venezuelan visa was due to the fact that we are invaded by them. The last adminsitration made a shitload of money with the "crisol de razas" which was basically, a fair where the foreigners with money could legalize their status as residents and apply for work permits. More than just the amount of venezuelans fleeing to Panama, we got a whole lot of crappy venezuelans that felt entitled to several things and started to bad mouth the panamanians and the society itself, while they were refugees themselves.

This was also applied to colombians and they all now hate the venezuelans because they all got screwed because of them.

[QUOTE=ThrillSeeker69;2154405]I'm still new to the nuances of Central America. What are the new visa rules?[/QUOTE]Colombians and venezuelans visa time was reduced to 3 months. Venezuelans have to apply to a visa before being able to travel to Panama. Colombias not.

Apart from that, they have to show 500 USD at the customs check point or risk being returned, and they to show a flight return ticket

[QUOTE=Mfins;2153831]Yes Panamanians can be found there. Usually darker skin. Its fairly easy to tell. I would say its still about 50-30-20. Fifty percent Colombian-Thirty percent Venezuelan-Twenty Percent other including a few Eastern European girls, Peruvian, Dom. Republic, Ticas and Nicas.

I have my doubts on the $20 thing but, if true I would hate to see what a $20 bill gets you.[/QUOTE]I'm not bragging at all. I've been able to nail a solid 9 for about $30, and the same 9 has gone TLN for $60.

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2154164]Was in PTY last year during Easter week. Habanos was closed on good Friday and the days around it, the talent at Habanos was ho hum but deals could be had for cien.[/QUOTE]For easter week, it better that you plan way in advance and arrive the weekend before. Get a beach room via airbnb or something and make contacts with the girls and propose a beach trip. During easter week the city dies completely.

[QUOTE=LuvPanamaBabes;2155377]I have so far written to Hyatt headquarters about this scam!

I spelled out in my letter, that once I pay for the room, I can have as many guests as I want.

I spelled out the following scenarios:

1 I'm doing business in their city and I want to hold a meeting in my room.

2. I want to have a drink with a friend before we go out to dinner.

3. My co-worker is staying at a different hotel, and wants to see my room and how the pool area is.

4. Do they enforce this fee, if my guest is male? If not there being prejudiced against heterosexuals!

In your own letters come up with other scenarios!

I really like the hotel but this is bad business![/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]The Hyatt makes a copy of the ID of all guests who get charged a fee. The Hyatt probably has twenty copies of your "co-worker's" ID, so why make such a foolish argument? Do you want Hyatt Place Panama showing Hyatt corporate the IDs of all your "co-workers"?

[QUOTE]Also post negative reviews on TripAdvisor, Google and so on, if enough people complain about.

This scam, they'll lose business and will change there practice![/QUOTE]Now this part, I agree with. The real issue with the Hyatt is the lack of transparency. It's B. S. For them to charge a $30 fee without actually notifying people of the charge in advance. Not once have I heard the front desk mention a fee — they just say they need to see the woman's ID and then they make a copy of it. In the span of 6 months or less, the fee has gone from $0 to $15 to $30 with no notice and no mention of it on their site, check-in info, etc. Negative reviews for this practice absolutely should be posted far and wide.

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2155566]Amen LuvPanamaBabes. I wrote two letters to Hyatt, first one was for the thing they serve at breakfast and claim it is 'food' -nah far from it unless since last May things have improved but I doubt it. [/QUOTE]The situation at the Hyatt has gone downhill because of the $30 chica fee, but I don't understand the complaints about the breakfast. The Hyatt serves a huge, free breakfast buffet every day, with a nightly rate as low as $65. What are people expecting? Steak and eggs?

[QUOTE]I strongly believe in BDS (not BDSM guys) movement -since we can't impose sanctions, we should at least stop giving them our business in PTY.[/QUOTE]Sounds good in theory, but where do we go? The Marriott is at $30 now as well. Does anyone know about the Crowne Plaza or Hilton? Perhaps the hotels a little farther away don't get as much traffic with the Habanos girls.

[QUOTE=Mfins;2155614]Mongers who stay at the Hyatt are such a tiny fraction of their overall business and, that is why the tolerate it while also being able to capitalize on a guest fee. The last thing the Hyatt wants is to be known as a prostitute hotel. They have to much to lose. Don't get me wrong the fee sucks and I hate paying guest fees but, I can also see the business side of it.[/QUOTE]Disagree, strongly. The Hyatt has gotten a huge amount of business from this and still does. If the Hyatt didn't want to be known for this, they would have had a guest policy from Day 1. Instead, they were happy to make the money in their early years, but now they're either trying to "go straight," so to speak, or they're trying to milk the cow for all its worth. (If the Hyatt was trying to discourage this, they'd mention the $30 fee prominently on their site and at the desk. But they don't do either).

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2155660]What board is the best for escort reviews in Miami?[/QUOTE]IndependentGirls dot com, by far.

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2155686]Elite and LE Palace are the top of the top of stripclubs in Panama. The owner. A french guy, has a very special taste for the ladies that work there. You will not find any dark skinned girls, and if you do, it will be because she is tanned. Most of them are white girls and ULTRA HOT. Centerfold type.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Both are owned by the same guy? How is the experience? I believe LE Palace has been advertising no cover charge, which made me wonder if the place had gone downhill. If I just want to have a couple beers and take in the scenery, will I have a good time, or is it a non-stop sales pitch and $12 beers?

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2155691]I'm not bragging at all. I've been able to nail a solid 9 for about $30, and the same 9 has gone TLN for $60.[/QUOTE]Crazy things happen when there's a lot of chemistry and especially when the rent is due, but let's not give people the wrong impression here. Anyone expecting to pull a 9 in Panama for anywhere near $30 is going to be disappointed 99 times out of 100, and now that the Venezuelans are being pushed out, prices are on the rise across the board.

Is there a consensus regarding the best chica friendly hotel within a close distance to Habanos now that the Hyatt place has turned on us harmless mongers?

[QUOTE=JLMiami;2155918]
The situation at the Hyatt has gone downhill because of the $30 chica fee, but I don't understand the complaints about the breakfast. The Hyatt serves a huge, free breakfast buffet every day, with a nightly rate as low as $65. What are people expecting? Steak and eggs?
[/QUOTE]Back in 2015/2016 I was going back with chicas and not getting charged anything (even though technically they had a $15 fee). The Hyatt I think had recently opened. As time goes by they start to enforce a chica fee because things tend to go sideways. Hookers invade hotels in LATAM like roaches. Before you know it bad things happen like furniture being destroyed or fights breaking out. Then management starts to enforce the fee to increase revenue and make up for losses.

I remember when the Veneto first started to introduce a fee. Now that hotel has gone down hill. I've seen this fee business elsewhere in LATAM. First its optionally enforced. Then its strictly enforced. Then the fee is jacked up to a higher price.

Glad I paid a visit recently and knocked Panama off my bucket list because I have a feeling the new Hyatt chica fee will hurt mongering there across the board. Less clients means even higher prices and eventually fewer chicas. Prices are already rising and Panama is much more expensive now than other nearby countries.