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[quote=mortman;1183869]now thats a story i would like to hear, how you got roped into making a $15, 000 loan by three maids?[/quote]sit back and let me tell you a story.

you know i do not take this stuff seriously. i was there to experience something different and i did. i have spent my life taking my kids on holidays and their idea of a holiday is an all inclusive in a nice resort. when i was younger i had no fear and wanted to get back to that frame of mind. the fact that i am going back to the philippines has to tell everyone i did not take this stuff seriously. it is a life experience and i would not change anything that happened when i was there.

first the guard story. the guy came up to me on the street and said he was a guard in the dusit. he did the shake my hand and told me he had seen me at the dusit. he then wanted to show me some places and walked me through the malls at breakneck speed. we ended up in a grocery store in one of them where he wanted me to buy him some groceries. if it had been a couple things i would have gone along with it, but he got greedy so that was it. i was gone. never saw him at my hotel after.

now onto the rich singer. i met her on filipino cupid. her story is that she is a widow. we first met at a neutral site, had supper and back to my room for a great night. i sent her home in a cab the next morning and my driver and i picked her up at her home a few days later. her family was there including her sister, son, and mother. as i said a very nice very large shack, including both servant and guest quarters. off we went. another great night then i left for cebu on my own. while we were together she was constantly taking calls for a business she was running so i believed she had a good income. my driver told me that the people who live in double gated places like this are very wealthy.

when i came back from cebu she met me at the airport and we spent the night together. during the evening one of her employees called her and said they didn't get to the bank and had to pay for the fuel bill cod. by this time i was convinced she owned a business and i was convinced she was a singer as we went to a club and they called her up to sing. she asked for $15, 000 until the next day when she could get to the atm. i loaned it to her. the next day we went to her house again and were waited on by her three maids. no mention of the loan. we spent more time together and finally when i was getting ready to come home i mentioned it to her. she didn't have her bank card.

i was on the flight home and realized that for all i knew the owner of the house could have left four maids in charge and they were just taking turns being the rich owner. i still keep in touch with her and she still keeps saying she is going to pay me back but i know reality. the truth of the matter is that we had a lot of fun together and did things like going to the cemetery on all souls day. i had a chance to learn a bit of filipino history and culture. she showed me a lot and for $15, 000 pesos i had a lot of fun, saw a lot of places and had a great woman in my bed.

the amount i loaned her would get me an hour with a woman at home. i suspect she did have money at one time but is now doing what is necessary to hold onto what little she has left. so lesson learned, but it was a fun ride and i would ride again.

[QUOTE=Amanut; 1184197]Sit back and let me tell you a story.

I The amount I loaned her would get me an hour with a woman at home. I suspect she did have money at one time but is now doing what is necessary to hold onto what little she has left. So lesson learned, but it was a fun ride and I would ride again.[/QUOTE]Nice story. Some here will judge and say maybe you were played. Others will pass alternate opinions.

I say, if you can be relaxed about it, and feel cool and comfortable, then what the heck.

Ultimately 15k isn't that big a deal for a lot of fun.

Will you contact her again and casually ask when you can expect a Western Union MTCN LOL.

When we can compartmentalise these situations in the " what really happened there " file, then its easiest to resolve internally.

Amanut. When I saw $15, 000 I thought you meant dollars ($). A 15, 000P loan is different, consider it a cheap lesson learned

[QUOTE=Emale;1184204]Amanut. When I saw $15, 000 I thought you meant dollars ($). A 15, 000P loan is different, consider it a cheap lesson learned[/QUOTE]Sorry I am used to posting on our local boards. Yes it was 15, 000p. If it were $15, 000 I would be on a bridge and not posting, or laughing, or sharing with a board. Sorry. Yes in fact it was a cheap lesson. But as I said a fun one that gave me a chance to learn a lot about the Philippines. She did try me on for more later when I was back in Canada by Western Union. Sister's cancer treatment, help with her own kidney operation in a hospital where she was not registered. Yes I called and checked.

In reality I had a lot of fun with her and to me the investment was worth it. We all have our games. As I say, I believe her dead husband left her some money and property and she is trying to figure out how to maintain the lifestyle. But still to this day I laugh at the fact that I really don't know if they were just four maids taking turns pretending they were the rich property owner.

When I finally figured out something was not right and while I was still in the Philippines I Googled her name. Nothing. Her explanation what that she would not allow postings about her on the internet. At that point I also played her a bit as well before I left. It was an interesting ride.

Amanut, I wouldn't touch on that topic again when you communicate with her. As I understand from reading the Philippine culture book recommended on one of these threads, there is no such thing as "loaning" money in that type of situation. One should never expect to be repaid. Its all about saving face. Maybe one of the forum members who is a resident could comment.

[QUOTE=Amanut; 1184197]The truth of the matter is that we had a lot of fun together and did things like going to the cemetery on all souls day. I had a chance to learn a bit of Filipino history and culture. She showed me a lot and for $15, 000 pesos I had a lot of fun, saw a lot of places and had a great woman in my bed.

The amount I loaned her would get me an hour with a woman at home. I suspect she did have money at one time but is now doing what is necessary to hold onto what little she has left. So lesson learned, but it was a fun ride and I would ride again.[/QUOTE]Hey, it's a good story, and you busted a bunch of nuts, right?

My guess is that she was the woman of the house and that your thesis about falling on hard times is correct.

I've noticed that Filipinos like to talk about loans, and perhaps tell themselves they intend to repay, when down deep they know they won't be repaying. Calling it a loan is a way to save face from having to admit they're asking for a handout. Also, remember that she was able to save face by being able to accept money as a loan rather than having to admit she was taking money for having sex with you. David is right.

Poor Filipinos often do loans for each other under a 5/6 rule (or maybe it's 6/5). It's a type of informal pawn system in which the loan recipient puts up something of value-a cell phone, DVD player, or whatever-but has a month or so to repay and reclaim the hocked item. Payment has to be made at a proportion of 6 to 5. For every 100 pesos borrowed on the pawn, repayment is 120. I once took a woman to my hotel for 2000 PhP for a long time. I did one pop with her a little before midnight, and she suddenly jumped up and asked me for half the money so she could go and get her cell phone out of hock from her neighbor. Her home and the neighbor were quite a distance away. She pleaded with me, promising she'd come back because she really wanted to get the other 1000. I figured, what the hell. 1000 for a short time is okay. A minute later the doorman called up asking if it was okay to let her go. I said it was. I went to sleep assuming I'd seen the last of her, but about three hours later the doorman called again, telling me she was back and wanted to come up to my room. She came back to the room, cuddled up for a nice GFE snooze, and gave me a good toss again in the morning. Later she explained she'd left the phone on a 5/6 loan and repayment had actually been due at midnight that night. She woke the neighbor at about 1:30 am and the neighbor gave her an hour and a half break on the deadline. I think collateral is the component when Filipinos do loans that Westerners dealing with our fuck buddies don't quite have the heart to enforce.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1184212]When I finally figured out something was not right and while I was still in the Philippines I Googled her name. Nothing. Her explanation what that she would not allow postings about her on the internet. At that point I also played her a bit as well before I left. It was an interesting ride.[/QUOTE]Some girls are as smart as we are (or think we are!). No real names given, nothing that could factually link the bonker to the bonkee. And as we all knowm sometimes we are as much bonker as bonkee LOL.

I still sometimes to forget to appropriately respond when a girl calls me by my fictitious name.

[QUOTE=Emale;1184204]Amanut. When I saw $15, 000 I thought you meant dollars ($). A 15, 000P loan is different, consider it a cheap lesson learned[/QUOTE]Emale,

I had the same reaction as you when I saw the $ sign instead of the P after the price, talk about sticker shock. I have heard a few stories from ex-pats in and around Cebu who tell tales of guys being taken for amounts in excess of $50000 US dollars on things like real estate and fake business scams. These things do happen but are not openly talked about for good reason.

If something sounds too good to be true it usually is, and foreigners should get any deal or agreement looked at by a lawyer approved by your Embassy.

Amanut,

I believe the woman you met had a plan for you from the start. She intended to meet and make you happy in return either she would gain a husband or boyfriend, and if that did not work she was going to try to get money out of you somehow. 15000p is a little on the high side, but you are happy to chalk it up to experience and that is the most important part. It cost you 15000p to learn a valuable lesson. As other senior members have posted before you did get to bang her for a few days so it's not a total loss. At least you realized your error and did not compound the mistake by sending her money when those requests came rolling in for operations.

You should have told her that carabao kidneys are an exact match and can be obtained for a reasonable price, and she is in luck. You know where to get one and it will only cost her 18000p! That's the same rate a 5-6 would charge on the original 15000p but there is a small chance the carabao is double-dead but not to worry she will not be eating the kidney.

Good story and thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1184216]Poor Filipinos often do loans for each other under a 5/6 rule (or maybe it's 6/5). It's a type of informal pawn system in which the loan recipient puts up something of value-a cell phone, DVD player, or whatever-but has a month or so to repay and reclaim the hocked item. Payment has to be made at a proportion of 6 to 5. For every 100 pesos borrowed on the pawn, repayment is 120.[/QUOTE]SK,

5-6 means you borrow 5 but repay 6. 6-5 means you borrow 6 and repay only 5, and no one will lend out money to get repaid less.

You are right 5-6 is a common occurance in most of the Philippines. It's normal for one person to owe several people at one time more than they can repay but it does not stop them from borrowing even more so long as someone is willing to lend and they have something like a laptop or cell phone to offer.

One only needs to look around Cebu where there is an M. Lhuillier or Cebuana Lhuillier pawnshop on every street corner to realize this is big business. The PJ Lhuillier clan have cornered the market but there are alot of smaller independant pawnshops that offer slightly better rates and they all make a ton of Pesos.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1184230]SK,

One only needs to look around Cebu where there is an M. Lhuillier or Cebuana Lhuillier pawnshop on every street corner to realize this is big business. The PJ Lhuillier clan have cornered the market but there are alot of smaller independant pawnshops that offer slightly better rates and they all make a ton of Pesos.[/QUOTE]Its interesting to see how a "pawn " business has morphed into a money lending and money issueing business. Yes they pawn stuff but they make much much more from hte money lending. They make lots too from issueing money. Companies like xoom and paypal etc give Lhiullier as a pick up place for money when remitted.

A large percentage of the regular posters on this forum. Have zero interests in helping people. Mostly they are here to brag or act like they are a big shot somewhere in life.

Personally I think they are here to just hang out.

After I explained that you can get phone numbers openly at the arena. Unlike most girly bars. One user acted like he knew this. But of course never shared the info.

My favaorite thing about these blow hards, they act like there is the high level class that needs to be used while using woman for sex. Not sure how that make sense. Again just the blow hards way of trying to make themselves feel important.

Some of my thoughts.

Massage parlors. Mostly 2 types. Legit massage parlors and others are mostly downtown, where they have no interests in giving a massage and looking to get as much money as possible from you. Personaly I quit trying to get sex our of massage parlors. If they do anyting they want a fortune or a crappy place to be.

SW. Well they are all over. Lots of TS men / woman. Mango area has SW, but they are everywhere. Downtown has the most but there is a 50 persent chance that the girl you see on the corner has her 4 kids under a tarp on the next corner. Or a drug user so be pickey.

Clubs, prices are all over the place from 1200 total shorttime to 9, 000 pesos for the upstairs manila girls at the arena.

There is lots clubs and lots of info on here about clubs.

Freelancers are a big way to find woman, malls, date in asia website are a few places to look.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Barba; 1183048]Hello, Raftwee!

Not the right thread, but I reply here anyway.

B[/QUOTE]Thanks for the replying. Just wandering if you can share which thread should I post such request because I find it almost impossible to find one here in Singapore. I am prepared to travel. Thanks again for replying.

[QUOTE=Gunshy; 1184080]1. Street walkers / freelancers. Where, what time and how much?

2. Massage places offering FS. Where, hours open and how much?

3. Brothels / studios (offering only sex, as oppose to massage places). Where, hours open and how much?

4. Clubs / bars. Where and how much?

5. Anything in particular a newbie in Cebu should know anout?

I am looking for regular sex (anal, BBBJ, etc not required) with slender girls only. Thank you.[/QUOTE]1 they are not worth your time if you do not live here, as most are not good enough to work in the bars, if you really want that experience go down town and look around. Ask the taxi driver to take you to junkera I do like going there to spot any students.

2 see [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1004-Cebu&p=1179709#post1179709[/url]

3 they do not exist in cebu you have waterfront that has some girls who work there on site ask them, the way it works is some bars have girl you can take out and some KTV places let negotiate with the girl in your private room. That why you bar hop here so to point.

4 mango bars have girls you can take out so since you like slender go papilons and redlips.

5 girls are quite honest and good, if you bar fine a girl get her just to help you get around pick a girl who will help you and not sex her I find the girls from lonestar are good that way.

As for all the noise it the way the forum works it you find it to hard to get information do what you did ask. We can even tell you where you will get free wifi

[QUOTE=Gunshy; 1184080]I am traveling to Cebu next week and thought I'd read a little about the P4P scene there. I have spent two hours reading here and I'm basically still at zero. This has got to be the thread with the most off-topic contents I have ever encountered. Can someone please answer the questions below or refer me to specific posts that answer them (and like I said, I just spent two hours RTFF without getting anywhere).

1. Street walkers / freelancers. Where, what time and how much?

2. Massage places offering FS. Where, hours open and how much?

3. Brothels / studios (offering only sex, as oppose to massage places). Where, hours open and how much?

4. Clubs / bars. Where and how much?

5. Anything in particular a newbie in Cebu should know anout?

I am looking for regular sex (anal, BBBJ, etc not required) with slender girls only. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1184526]1 they are not worth your time if you do not live here, as most are not good enough to work in the bars, if you really want that experience go down town and look around. Ask the taxi driver to take you to junkera I do like going there to spot any students.

2 see.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1004-Cebu&p=1179709#post1179709[/url]

3 they do not exist in cebu you have waterfront that has some girls who work there on site ask them, the way it works is some bars have girl you can take out and some KTV places let negotiate with the girl in your private room. That why you bar hop here so to point.

4 mango bars have girls you can take out so since you like slender go papilons and redlips.

5 girls are quite honest and good, if you bar fine a girl get her just to help you get around pick a girl who will help you and not sex her I find the girls from lonestar are good that way.

As for all the noise it the way the forum works it you find it to hard to get information do what you did ask. We can even tell you where you will get free wifi[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cuchulain; 1184454]A large percentage of the regular posters on this forum. Have zero interests in helping people. Mostly they are here to brag or act like they are a big shot somewhere in life.

Personally I think they are here to just hang out.

After I explained that you can get phone numbers openly at the arena. Unlike most girly bars. One user acted like he knew this. But of course never shared the info.

My favaorite thing about these blow hards, they act like there is the high level class that needs to be used while using woman for sex. Not sure how that make sense. Again just the blow hards way of trying to make themselves feel important.

Some of my thoughts.

Massage parlors. Mostly 2 types. Legit massage parlors and others are mostly downtown, where they have no interests in giving a massage and looking to get as much money as possible from you. Personaly I quit trying to get sex our of massage parlors. If they do anyting they want a fortune or a crappy place to be.

SW. Well they are all over. Lots of TS men / woman. Mango area has SW, but they are everywhere. Downtown has the most but there is a 50 persent chance that the girl you see on the corner has her 4 kids under a tarp on the next corner. Or a drug user so be pickey.

Clubs, prices are all over the place from 1200 total shorttime to 9, 000 pesos for the upstairs manila girls at the arena.

There is lots clubs and lots of info on here about clubs.

Freelancers are a big way to find woman, malls, date in asia website are a few places to look.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1184146]SW can be found downtown, just one block from Gaisano Metro mall. They hang on the corner of Colon / Palaez.

Clubs / bars. Try Juliana's disco, or across the street at several of the Mango Park bars. Or Sunflower disco.

Gogo bars. Up the street from Juliana's on Mango Avenue, a slew of bars filled with girls for the barfine, p1800.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Thanks for your replies. So, for evening / night action I will choose papilons and redlips close to Mango Avenue. What time do the best girls arrive at those places?

For daytime action with a slender girl I should go to Finland Massage & Steam Bath Center or Caesar's Palace Health Studio, as per Frenzy3's recommendation? Or perhaps pick up a freelancer at a mall (Ayala mall, maybe)? The whole DateInAsia approach seems a little too much of a project to me.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1184526]1 they are not worth your time if you do not live here, as most are not good enough to work in the bars, if you really want that experience go down town and look around. Ask the taxi driver to take you to junkera I do like going there to spot any students.

2 see.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1004-Cebu&p=1179709#post1179709[/url]

3 they do not exist in cebu you have waterfront that has some girls who work there on site ask them, the way it works is some bars have girl you can take out and some KTV places let negotiate with the girl in your private room. That why you bar hop here so to point.

4 mango bars have girls you can take out so since you like slender go papilons and redlips.

5 girls are quite honest and good, if you bar fine a girl get her just to help you get around pick a girl who will help you and not sex her I find the girls from lonestar are good that way.

As for all the noise it the way the forum works it you find it to hard to get information do what you did ask. We can even tell you where you will get free wifi[/QUOTE]Gunshy,

Frenzy and others have posted some good info, take the time to read the links and use the forum search function and if you do not get the answers you desire then post and someone will help you out.

I don't know if the KTV that's located in the Waterfront Lahug is still open or not. It's been a long time since someone mentioned it. Anyone in Cebu want to head to the Waterfront and check it out and post a report.

Last time I heard anything about the KTV was when I looked up the Waterfront hotel reviews on tripadvisor. One poster was surprised with the number of girls inside the KTV and how they felt like "rescuing them all". I am not sure if the posted was using code for wanting to barfine them all or they were upset over the occupation of the girls.

Free wifi? That can be found at Greenwich, free with purchase. And to the wifi haters out there soooo sorry, another reference to the dreaded wifi.