Lisbon

Yes, there's no way I'm paying 250 to see Flora. It's not a question of affordability but more that I view her rate for the service she offers, as being poor value in relative terms. I like to seek value even if I can afford the higher rates. In fact, Flora wasn't even on my list prior to the increase as reports have indicated that she lacks a bit of enthusiasm now.

Some of the rates advertised by the newer ladies on eurogirlescort are utterly ridiculous, with almost every service charged as an extra on top! There must be enough tourists willing to pay these rates, for the girls to keep them going.

[QUOTE=PER23;2983040]Been exploring the independent scene recently and a lot of newer ladies are asking for 200/ h for an incall with limited services.

Flora told me her rates a few months ago and it's laughable.[/QUOTE]

Some great historical information there Mongerer88.

You're right, a sudden and infrequent large increase seems to hit differently than a regular small increase, even if the two approaches lead to the same end rate.

Prior to 2024, Lisbon was a clear preferred choice for me over Spain as the 150 outcall rate readily available was very competitive compared to Spain. However, Madrid and Barcelona are definitely more on my radar now with the brothels in Madrid offering incall for 100, and even Vecinitas being 120 for the hour.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2983078]Over time, Portugal commercial sex pricing increases have not exceeded that of most First World and Second World countries.

They fall into the trap that non-Colombians fall into. They don't do small annual increases. They do occasional large increases every once in a while.

For the ten years ending in 2022, Portugal's annual inflation was 1. 8%. Not sure if EP has been with us for 12 years, but it is close. 2023 and 2024 were among the highest inflation years in Portuguese (and world history). It took the 12 year inflation rate to over 2. 2 percent. After 10 years, the 150 euros should have gone to 180 euros. It didn't. But after 12 years, that 150 euros has gone to 210. EP is now at 200 and a bunch of upsells, which fortunately mostly involve anal. Even the upsells aren't surprising. In fact, it is surprising they didn't exist before. Throughout North American commercial sex history, the American lady always turned her face back when you gently put a lubed finger in her bottom while she is on all fours and said Oh, That is $150 Extra. The Canadian girl does the same except says Eh, That is 80 Loonies More. If we ever have acceptable sex robots, Androida will no doubt spin her head a full 180 degrees like the Chucky Doll in the horror movie and say Anal is Extra. Tap or Insert Credit Card. It has been that way for a very, very long time. Remember the old guy in the TV show Deadwood who ran the brothel. If you wanted to see Trixie, he always said $5 for regular, $10 for ass fuck.

Inflation has been similar or higher than Portugal in all of the markets I can think of with similar tourism appeal, infrastructure and sexual services. Honestly, it has been even higher in the USA, Canada, United Kingdom and Australia. Germany is its own animal. The girls are not predominately German, they are imports and they have fuck factories where economies of scale exist that are not comparable in other countries.

That brings us to Spain, a place I love. I am simply not sure if Spanish sex work inflation has gone up less than Portugal's. The inflation might have been a little bit less. It has more of an open door immigration policy than Portugal does for Venezuelans, Colombians, Ukrainians and Russians. You have some shittier economies in those countries compared to Brazil (Portugal's primary source of immigrants). That may be limiting the sex work price increases in Spain. But don't forget my first point about so many sex workers having no price increases for years, then doing a very large one.

That is less prevalent in Latina culture. They ain't offended by 5 or 10 euros.

Remember Juan Valdez, the very successful Colombian coffee farmer who appeared in Colombian coffee commercials for so long. He was humble and honest. Sure your Colombian coffee went up a buck a year.

Now let's take a look at Spain's two most popular Colombian sex workers, Maya and Melissa. They would look great topless in aprons as Jana Valdez, representing Colombian pussy (available worldwide including in Barcelona).

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I do believe those rates have gone up 10 or 20 euros since they hit the scene. Nobody makes a big deal out of 10 euros. That is what you pay Starbucks and Juan Valdez for a fancy cup of coffee now while waiting for Maya or Melissa to buzz you in.

Even always reasonably priced Vecinitas has bumped prices by 10 euros, I think.

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I really do think Spain's sex work inflation rate is slightly lower than Portugal's, but not by a significant percentage. And we are comparing it after a major Portugal bump, whereas the Latinas in Spain do more regular, small annual increases. They are onto something there from a marketing standpoint, if inflation continues to be high.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pecadozinho;2983163]I visited Tati Bernardi some time ago. In reality, she looks like the mother or very old sister of the Tati Bernardi as seen in photos. Those must have been taken when she was in youth scouts. A most bland experience, regrettably.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Your input fits in quite nicely with the topic.

If we list the fifteen to twenty ladies most recommended in this forum, most are in their thirties and a few are pushing or past forty.

I think we are in a Golden Age since those ladies currently look great and give a fantastic performance, but like it or not as the years go on, we will see more comments about aging (and not always good comments). A long time ago one of the most prolific posters here was honest about a Portugal sex worker legend. He said she now belongs in a museum.

In today's world, you need price increases and inflation to attract younger ladies. You also need a support system, which honestly EP provides. Our Canadian reviewer friend's four favorite ladies in Lisbon are Vivian Miller, Flora Neves, Eva Melo, Estela Nunes, and Renata Alves. They all have an EP connection. Spain has a better support system for the younger ladies. It has whole shared private apartments such as Vecinitas, Teensbcn and El Eden53 that focus on the youngest ladies in the industry. The ladies Melissa and Maya that I mentioned have a working apartment with them and younger ladies from Colombia. Harry1217 is correct that Spain is a great place in terms of pricing. I think the caveat would be that at the lower price level, the English declines. With Portuguese escorts like Rebecca Diniz, you get fluent English. To me that is worth a little bit more.

But on the pricing topic, you need higher prices to attract the older teens and early twenties ladies to the industry. They are heavily subsidized now by parents, and entry-level jobs pay a lot more than they once did. People aren't on their own at 18 like they once were. This trend is worldwide, but not quite as pronounced in South America and Asia. And the Covid pandemic made people more accustomed to getting by on less, and believing the government will always have your back. Not too sure it will, myself.

I don't think, though I may be wrong, that the current generation of 18-28 year olds who have largely disappeared from commercial sex work are going to enter it. Maybe they will eventually through Seeking, but I am not sure. There is a Holy Shit moment the first time a lady knocks on a hotel room door and realizes she is going to fuck whoever opens the door. People are more receptive to Holy Shit moments when they are much younger adults.

I think we lost a mini-generation of commercial sex workers. I notice that the ladies I see in a given year have a median age that is higher than in decades past. Not complaining. They are great. But I realize that group might disappear from the scene due to life changes and I also recognize that some will age out and not be as attractive in 10-20 years. You have to see new, young talent. And in today's world, that means needing to pay higher prices to get them to knock on the door. And you also need a support system, which unfortunately is disappearing in many countries due to the trend toward independent escorting. A final thought on that is that independent escorting has some pricing barriers to entry. Advertising, transportation and incall rentals (rents are among the items with the highest inflation rate). The youngest ladies don't have the savings for that. No Kiva loan program for an aspiring 18 year old hooker. The world would have a shit hemorrhage if they saw that on the Kiva website.

And finally BatiX is correct that many German ladies do independent escorting. I checked the latest reviews on the big American escort review board, and they are charging 350 to 400 euros an hour for GFE, including BBBJ, which is 50 to 100 euros more than a few years ago. So there is inflation in that market, also.

Lisbon is still a bargain compared to most places. The current group of 30 to 40 year olds in Lisbon are fantastic, but everyone needs to see them a lot now, because there just aren't a similarly sized group of 18 to 29 year olds right behind them. I am not overly optimistic about this activity ten to twenty years from now. Hopefully I am wrong, but I think inflation will help, not hurt, in attracting younger talent. Most Johns are making ten to twenty percent more now than a few years ago. Give the hookers their fair share of that increase, or there might not be any hookers you want to see in the future.

The COVID pandemic put a big dent on the sex industry generally speaking. I disagree that girls in 18-28 range are largely ignoring the sex industry, at least in Europe and other parts of the world. There are still younger girls entering the industry, even if numbers aren't very high due to alternatives and people having fewer kids. In ApartadoX there are more 30 and under Portuguese girls advertising than 30+. As for Euro Escorts I wonder if the girls charge extras only for customers who find them on Euro Escorts websites as those same girls advertise on Portuguese websites.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2983379]Thanks. Your input fits in quite nicely with the topic.

If we list the fifteen to twenty ladies most recommended in this forum, most are in their thirties and a few are pushing or past forty.

I think we are in a Golden Age since those ladies currently look great and give a fantastic performance, but like it or not as the years go on, we will see more comments about aging (and not always good comments). A long time ago one of the most prolific posters here was honest about a Portugal sex worker legend. He said she now belongs in a museum.

....[/QUOTE]Sex work isn't just confined to prostitution, of course. An attractive 18 year old has a decent shot at getting rich through Instagram and Onlyfans than fucking random strangers, if they can handle the stigma of sacrificing anonymity. Traditional sex work will always attract young ladies lured by the freedom of fast money, but I reckon Lisbon will go the way of London where the prices have shot up and the beauty of the average provider has gone down the toilet.

I for one tend to book younger ladies in Lisbon but the best escort I've ever seen here (and anywhere else, for that matter) was well into her forties. An experienced woman over 30 who is still put together physically is going to be more memorable than any hot young thing. A woman in her forties who still has her looks is like a rare diamond with no visible flaws.

[QUOTE=PER23;2983471]Sex work isn't just confined to prostitution, of course. An attractive 18 year old has a decent shot at getting rich through Instagram and Onlyfans than fucking random strangers, if they can handle the stigma of sacrificing anonymity. Traditional sex work will always attract young ladies lured by the freedom of fast money, but I reckon Lisbon will go the way of London where the prices have shot up and the beauty of the average provider has gone down the toilet.

I for one tend to book younger ladies in Lisbon but the best escort I've ever seen here (and anywhere else, for that matter) was well into her forties. An experienced woman over 30 who is still put together physically is going to be more memorable than any hot young thing. A woman in her forties who still has her looks is like a rare diamond with no visible flaws.[/QUOTE]Yes, great point on technology. That has siphoned away a lot of the youngsters.

And even some former sex workers. A former favorite of mine in Montreal is now exclusively OnlyFans.

She had told me her boyfriend was getting frustrated that she was still doing sex work the last time I saw her.

He now works the camera during some on her performances, apparently. I guess they compromised.

Agree that there are currently a fantastic group of 30 to 40 year old ladies in Lisbon, and worldwide even. And a few 40 plus.

I am just skeptical that will be the case a decade from now. Hopefully I am wrong. And I am not convinced we will all be as enthusiastic about the current group a decade from now when they are 40 to 50 plus, if they are still in the business.

There needs to always be new, young entrants in every business, including prostitution. Currently Lisbon has enough young stars to fill the needs of tourists and locals who want that age group, but the total quantity of ladies in that age group is a lot less than decades ago (compared to the total populace of sex workers).

It isn't quite as bad when you look at eurogirls, but it definitely is when you look at Apartadox.

Probably not a coincidence. The current generation coming of age wants to be very highly paid in every job there is, and they are tech savvy. They have identified eurogirls as a site where guys go who are willing to pay more, I guess.

[QUOTE=JPTraveller;2981090]Juliana is also all-inclusive per hour (like Rebeca Diniz). Enjoy![/QUOTE]Hi. Got in touch with Juliana a couple of days ago and anal is (now?) an option.

Keep in mind that only Top 1% OnlyFans and Instagram models make decent amount of money. The average working girl makes more money escorting, webcaming, or sugar dating. Also while Portugal is relatively cheap developed country, people here seem to forget that rents has gone sky high in recent years like lot of cities, so it makes sense for girls to increase their rate.

[QUOTE] Probably not a coincidence. The current generation coming of age wants to be very highly paid in every job there is, and they are tech savvy. They have identified eurogirls as a site where guys go who are willing to pay more, I guess.[/QUOTE]Is that a problem that not older people wants to be paid more?

Do you mean as an extra or as a possibility (definitely is a possibility) ?

[QUOTE=JDaniel;2983522]Hi. Got in touch with Juliana a couple of days ago and anal is (now?) an option.[/QUOTE]

I've got an upcoming trip to Lisbon and was curious if anyone could share some insight on Daniela Matos. I'm looking for GFE / PSE.

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It will be my first time in Lisbon and I've already got Becky on the schedule. There are definitely a lot of good recommendations out there in the forum, but curious about the other girls on ApartadoX. My assumption is that if they're not mentioned in the forum, they're either not very good or have a misleading ad. As a first-timer it's kind of mind blowing to see this many options.

[QUOTE=EasyBreezy123;2983662]I've got an upcoming trip to Lisbon and was curious if anyone could share some insight on Daniela Matos. I'm looking for GFE / PSE.

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It will be my first time in Lisbon and I've already got Becky on the schedule. There are definitely a lot of good recommendations out there in the forum, but curious about the other girls on ApartadoX. My assumption is that if they're not mentioned in the forum, they're either not very good or have a misleading ad. As a first-timer it's kind of mind blowing to see this many options.[/QUOTE]The reviews so far for Daniela Matos are mixed.

She received an excellent 9 out of 10 in her first review on the local board from an experienced reviewer.

She then got a 5 out of 10 from an equally experienced reviewer on that local board. He didn't have anything negative to say about her. They just didn't seem to hit it off.

She is reviewed on the big American review board as a threesome with Vanessa Morais. He liked Daniela the better of the two, and said she seemed to take charge. She apparently speaks some English since that reviewer didn't mention a language barrier.

So she certainly isn't a bad choice. She is reviewed as looking like her photos and providing the advertised services.

As with any situation, some of us will like a particular lady better than others. I liked Renata Alves better than BatiX did, for instance.

Here is the translated 9 out of 10 review from the local board.

" Another positive experience from EP. This time I have to give a high note to this XXX, I know it's the first impression, but it was very good for me. I imagine, in an act of primary imbecility, what the shape of the girls would be like just by looking at the photos. I thought Daniela was very shy, but the girl is a hurricane, small and very cute in face, very fun, good company, impeccable and jovial q. Be.

I had already tried more than once to talk to her. Only this one could be arranged in the middle of the afternoon, it promises 30 minutes, it really arrived on time. I was still getting out of the shower. Another sill for them to talk to each other. I did the math wrong, I thought I had five more minutes. I open the door laughing in boxers. She also realized right away that I had been caught with my mouth in the bottle. It gave me time to get dressed and "light candles or put the rose petals on the bed" (what a punctual cutie) while going to baths with a sense of humor to the mixture. I didn't want company, I felt sorry, honestly.

Back in lingerie. Balanced shapes. We haven't been with superfluous entertainments. She kisses of category and is a delicious woman, very beautiful, I praised her several times and she liked it a lot. "Who doesn't like it?" She asks. Actually, some people. Go kiss and unveil the breasts. I prefer natural breasts, but this time I liked the set (big fried eggs in the right proportion and without being sensitive, "touch at will," she says). She does the wonderful oral and I take off her underwear while she does it. 69 was the main course (what a beautiful prolapse), I pleased her a lot, and she liked me. I had to lay her down to lick her to my liking. She breathing hard and looking me in the eyes while doing it, how wonderful to feel myself in the same sexual wave as Daniela. She comes up very roughly because "the oral is very good, but the climax I only reach in penetration" she defended. Wouldn't the mercenaries have stayed there or in theaters? And so it was, she on top of that sweating all over until she twisted a little with pleasure (I just told her to sit down and rest, she laughed and continued until she was satisfied). I felt good about myself and that only made me want even more: "now it's my turn" I say laughing and she aligning in tone, in exchanges of naughty smiles. Go on all fours, for a long time, until you notice the lubrication drying. That must be uncomfortable to be there rubbing dryly and I was afraid of not ending that way, but as she was so attentive until that moment, I gave a friend and asked "do you do a magic of yours? She wasn't on her knees on the floor oralizing with a lot of desire, great exchange of glances and smiles, what a luxury. I sat on the edge of the bed to see if it was over. But because I was holding back (I didn't really want to finish, I wanted to continue in that as far as I could) I couldn't finish. (curiously, on the site it doesn't say to do CIM, but that would end up there if I let myself be carried away and she never warned that you couldn't.) so she took her out of the trump card ("oh woman", I say out loud, and she smiled, because she knew well that I was Enjoying in the beautiful intimacy provided. She knew how to receive and then give): lying down the two kissing, for a good ten minutes, she massages Zé, with her thumb on his little head, until he feels very happy, all red with content and ruffled dripping on Daniela's little hand. I close my eyes at the climax and leave myself there for a few long seconds, while she kept the massage slowing down. She still says she has "poor experience". False modesty! He left his mark, mainly when he left the bedroom door laughing with the service more than fulfilled.

Baths, thanks and two kisses, she even left on time because the thong conversation is not her strong point. I want to see her again. What a ****! After the service, ala that death runs after us, and so it's fine, the conversation is sometimes forced, you might as well bazaar and go back to more interesting activities.

Very good indeed (attention, for me, I don't know what will happen in the future, read the experience from your distance and as always, with some cynicism, I do the same), don't leave the service halfway and I think the little one is very beautiful (I love small women), the breasts very well made and a lip prolapse that makes you want to spend hours there licking (for her height, just over a meter and a half, I found the cherry on top). For me, a solid 9 (again, beautiful fit, in my opinion), I'm sure if I had asked you for the socks and wore them in the room (I'm a beast, why didn't I ask for it.) that would go up to ten in the good. The girl is very beautiful. What a laroca face (and she came in such a tight dress. Fds, what a beautiful choice, and what a surprise. I want to give more in the evaluation but conscience does not allow it: I dreamed of the clash that night. But that's me who likes them like this: dedicated, short, with few words and great naughty acts, colorful friend style).

For first impression, it passes in the specialty, yes ma'am (even if it's for the dedication at such a young age, contrasting with the type of services that you generally feel and hear around). Good luck to the brotherhod. ".

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[QUOTE=JPTraveller;2983661]Do you mean as an extra or as a possibility (definitely is a possibility) ?[/QUOTE]As an extra.

I tend to do longer bookings with her (and outcalls) so maybe it was included then. In any case, worth it.

[QUOTE=JDaniel;2983771]As an extra.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EasyBreezy123;2983662]I've got an upcoming trip to Lisbon and was curious if anyone could share some insight on Daniela Matos. I'm looking for GFE / PSE.

[URL]https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-escort-daniela-matos-7893[/URL]

It will be my first time in Lisbon and I've already got Becky on the schedule. There are definitely a lot of good recommendations out there in the forum, but curious about the other girls on ApartadoX. My assumption is that if they're not mentioned in the forum, they're either not very good or have a misleading ad. As a first-timer it's kind of mind blowing to see this many options.[/QUOTE]Seen her a few times. Physically, she's in her late 30's with a good gym toned body and bolt on tits which are very hard. Facially, she's not bad looking but I think most guys would say she looks masculine, although she is a very feminine lady overall.

Sexually, it's a vanilla service. Pleasurable without being mind blowing.

Overall, if you're looking for an outcall I think there are better options within Escort Privada and for Daniela's type of look, there are lots of options across the various sites. Ladies with solid reputations etc.

Still on a quest through the independent scene, I stumbled across Lina's profile, had a little chat about particulars on Whatsapp and promptly headed off to her incall location.

Lina is exactly the petite and sexy senorita in the photos on her profile. Whatever editing those have gone through is minimal. One caveat, however; her fantastic breasts are in fact enhanced and not natural as claimed in the ad.

Her English is very good and without going into too many details, her performance in bed was a solid GFE. I enjoyed her oral so much I opted to let her finish me off with her mouth, which I usually never go for.

Unfortunately, it's her first time in Lisbon and she's heading back to Spain tomorrow. Hopefully she'll be back for another visit soon.

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