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[QUOTE=Hilvar;2448619]The first easing from the general ban (in effect since March 17th) is valid from May 4th: "Pursuant to the Government Decree, citizens of the Czech Republic, Poland, the Republic of Korea, Germany, Austria and Slovakia may enter Hungary from the territory of the listed countries without restriction if they can attest that they arrive for business purposes".

It is probable that as time goes on, more countries will join the list, and perhaps from somewhere in June tourists will be allowed as well; probably following the "business list" regarding the limitations based on home country, but with a certain time lag. (And of course, on the condition that the pandemic situation is kept under control).[/QUOTE]I see the entire situation as volatile and most of my trips involve more than one country and multiple airlines. I am starting to think that until we have a vaccine, this could be very frustrating.

[QUOTE=SloPhoto1990;2449611]Could you hive a hint about what amount these girls wish to see to convince them to come over? Is it comparable to what we give girls on rosszlanyok for sex or is it a lot more.[/QUOTE]Hi SlO,

It's difficult to quantify with amount of money.

I have a bartender who's not that beautiful but very hot who does not ask money from me. Another bar girl takes a Samsung galaxy bud+ from me and other gifts but it's not compulsory.

It's actually not cash but what you spend on them after you acquaint with them gets you into her pants.

AJ.

[QUOTE=AJ1981;2449709]Hi SlO,

It's difficult to quantify with amount of money.

I have a bartender who's not that beautiful but very hot who does not ask money from me. Another bar girl takes a Samsung galaxy bud+ from me and other gifts but it's not compulsory.

It's actually not cash but what you spend on them after you acquaint with them gets you into her pants.

AJ.[/QUOTE]I see, so more like a sugar baby? I was so far in Budapest twice and wish to come every couple of months just for girls, because they are affordable to me more than other countries. I guess in my case it would be hard for me to get those pub girls except if I offered them a lot, which is probably way more than I can afford or I am willing to give just for one sex, plus it would take time to go around bars, talk to them, and like you said, not getting most of them anyway.

I love Hungary, the culture that BBJCIM is expected and normal and most will do anal unless you have a 20+cm cock or seem a bit rough and too fast getting it in. You have to tease the ladies clit and stroke her whilst you gently probe her rosebud. Many women do get turned on because of the psychology and perhaps bring out the inner ****.

Any woman who offers massage will do BJ, many routinely play with YOUR rosebud or insert a toy whilst doing you. Budapest is a high quality experience city.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2450008]I love Hungary, the culture that BBJCIM is expected and normal and most will do anal unless you have a 20+cm cock or seem a bit rough and too fast getting it in. You have to tease the ladies clit and stroke her whilst you gently probe her rosebud. Many women do get turned on because of the psychology and perhaps bring out the inner ****.

Any woman who offers massage will do BJ, many routinely play with YOUR rosebud or insert a toy whilst doing you. Budapest is a high quality experience city.[/QUOTE]I find it almost too good to be true that woman who offers massage would insert a toy whilst doing you or similar. You are speaking about individuals found on Rosss or massage salons? For the later I guess you would have to be regular customer with them, as AJ said. Or? Would you recommend any particular girl from the Ross?

[QUOTE=SloPhoto1990;2449876]I see, so more like a sugar baby? I was so far in Budapest twice and wish to come every couple of months just for girls, because they are affordable to me more than other countries. I guess in my case it would be hard for me to get those pub girls except if I offered them a lot, which is probably way more than I can afford or I am willing to give just for one sex, plus it would take time to go around bars, talk to them, and like you said, not getting most of them anyway.[/QUOTE]Hi Slo,

I guess you are right; what I am doing needs a lot of time and still is a miss and hit. Even with the massage girls; you need to go persistently with some of them and be regulars to get that service and in spite of that you might not get it (like my case with Noémi in dreamhouse massage). But if you get lucky, you can really get that girlfriend feeling and they are available at your time on your day and do whatever you want with interest (like your sugar baby) it's really fun then just getting a Ross girl or a pornstar and within 1-2 hours, it's gone.

This is my personal taste and everyone has different ideas of what works best for them.

AJ.

[QUOTE=AJ1981;2447600]Hi,

Unfortunately went again to Noemi and no real luck. Some DFK but nothing else.

It's confirmed that Noemi is no good and better to be regular with younger girls. Noemi is also becoming heavy day by day and I guess it might be time that she will quit this salon.

Can't compete with the girls I guess.

AJ.[/QUOTE]Hi Aj,

Sorry about that and you are right at some point you have to call it a day. And go for other green pastures. I'm sure Budapest has plenty of fishes and especially now the economy and job is hard hit. I guess there will be some gems coming up.

- Further easing in social distancing (let's call it Step 2) has just been announced officially in terms of the countryside (Hungary without the capital), which include the opening of hotels and the interior parts of restaurants for example. Budapest is still lagging behind, but it's partly due to a political game, so I predict that Step 1 (the measures that are currently in force outside Budapest) will be announced in a few days. (One step lag is reasonable, but two steps certainly not).

- However, I would like to point out that as far as curfew measures are concerned in particular, they were never as strict as in other countries in the region. Actually, they were (or in Budapest have been) among the easiest in Europe, which has been important from the aspect of the sex market as well, of course. I mention this because my friends all over the world seem to be in the belief that Hungary has applied very strict measures. But the truth is, that measures of social distancing in general were / have been in the average zone in Europe, and the curfew measures in particular even below the average.

- As far as traveling from abroad is concerned: Hungary will probably follow the Germany-Austria line. Those two countries plan to open their borders from June 15th (with the exception of the Austrian-Italian border), but already from this weekend control will be only occasional on the German-Austrian border. From next Monday crossing the Austrian-Hungarian border will be easier as well (like the traffic of trains for example will resume according to normal schedule, but with special pandemic measures of course), and by the above mentioned date of June 15th I expect the Austrian-Hungarian border to open up completely. This would mean of course, that from that on Hungary is in general available from Western Europe (perhaps except for a few countries), and probably the same would apply to the neighboring EU countries as well. But in terms of overseas connections I'm still skeptical. (However, if an American is already in Europe with the necessary documents, it'll be probably OK).

(to be continued soon, with sex market updates).

I received questions in PM about the details of social distancing measures in Hungary, so here you are a few important points.

The first measures were banning social events and entertainment premises (concerts, cinemas, theaters) in early March, then came the first major step with closing schools and restricting schedules of non-food shops and outlets from March 17th (including hotels, restaurants and bars). Then from March 27th came the "partial curfew" for the whole country, where the basis was that you can leave your home only "for good reason". But the list of "good reasons" included* items like walking and doing sports on your own (without limitations of distance from your home, like it happened in many countries), or visiting your hairdresser or manicurist (so you can imagine how serious it was. Actually the limitations were enforced rather by the lack of targets and events on the one hand, and the pictures that in those days came from Italy and Spain on the other hand, which made people worry and stay at home as much as they could. The police also focused on hindering people from grouping and coming together in public, so you could actually go anywhere (either by walking, biking or driving your car) undisturbed during the whole curfew, as long as you were on your own. (Especially in the daytime, perhaps in the night you could expect some random control) And one more measure from that package: people above 65 could (and can, because this measure is still in force nationwide) go shopping only between 9-12 am (and in that period younger people cannot mix in).

Then came some further limitations introduced by local authorities, like closing some frequented places and areas on weekends, for example Margaret Island in Budapest or the city of Szentendre and some other frequented tourist destinations. Budapest also introduced compulsory mask wearing on public transport vehicles and shops at the end of April, which from May 4th are extended to to the whole country as well. However, from the same May 4th, the curfew measures were lifted in the country with the exception of Budapest and Pest county, and even non-food shops were allowed to open at unlimited schedules, while any open-air service of other outlets (restaurants, cafes, bars, beaches and swimming pools) also received the green light. (The actual reaction of the outlets is very different, however, as some opened on the first possible day, while others are more cautious, and the same goes for the guests and clients). That's what I called earlier as Step 1 of the easing.

Then, from May 18th comes Step 2, when the remaining restrictions are also to be lifted, so the outlets can open their interior parts and services as well, but observing a number of physical distancing measures (and cinemas, theaters and other events remain banned), which is now valid for all counties, including now Pest county as well, and only Budapest would remain under the original curfew measures. However, this huge difference is now absolutely unreasonable (and is part of a political game between the government and Budapest), and probably from Monday Step 1 of the easing will come into effect in Budapest as well (decision to be announced on Saturday evening).

*Of course "visiting a sexworker" was not named on the list of good reasons, but actually nobody controlled or sanctioned it, and it only depended on the willingness of provider and client to take the health risks. Some girls remained "open" for the whole period (but usually with limitations of the services, especially kissing and 69 got limited), some took a break but have since returned, while many of them have not worked for a while. As I wrote it earlier, the market situation is still uncertain and volatile, as demand and supply seem to have shrunk at about the same pace, but there are some early signs of a buyer's market, and I'll write about it soon as well, with some examples and stories.

About the possibility and conditions of international traveling: I read about plans that Italy (yes, Italy) is willing to open up from June 3rd, so the schedule I wrote about a few days ago may be even more dynamic, at least for travels within the EU (and perhaps other European countries) Personally I'm a bit afraid of that pace, and shall keep my "personal measures" observed until I feel convinced that the pandemic is really under control, at least for the summer season. (For example, in Hungary big wedding parties are in habit, and while any such event has been banned since March, now weddings up to 200 guests are allowed from Monday. Imagine how any social distancing can be observed at such an event coming towards midnight, and I think that this is a step too quick and too far in the easing process right now. And free traveling from and to Italy gives me the same feeling, just beware of the story in Korea, where one single guy going out in the party zone on a Saturday night sparkled a new local outbreak with dozens of newly infected people).

[QUOTE=Hilvar;2451322]I received questions in PM about the details of social distancing measures in Hungary, so here you are a few important points.
...probably from Monday Step 1 of the easing will come into effect in Budapest as well (decision to be announced on Saturday evening).[/QUOTE]The predicted announcement is done, Step 1 of the easing process is valid from Monday in Budapest. It is also announced that unless something serious negative turn occurs in the pandemic numbers, Budapest will follow the further easing steps valid for the rest of Hungary with two weeks delay, which means that Step 2 would come into effect as of June 2nd.

And one correction after reading the detailed text of the decree: big wedding parties up to 200 guests will be allowed "only" within Step 3, so from early June in the countryside and from mid-June in Budapest. (I find even that too quick and early, but that's the regulation announced). About other events there is no official ruling yet, "unofficially" they are all banned until August 15th. However, this is a strange situation: this measure was announced by the head of the PM's office a few weeks ago at the official weekly press conference of his office, and all the interested organizers followed suit and called off the events and festivals (including Sziget festival) with definitive effect. But just a few days ago a media outlet found out that this announcement never got formulated later in a decree or other law, which of course caused uproar among the interested parties. And while the big international events like Sziget Festival will certainly remain called off now, but considering the general mood and tendency of easing, local events may have a chance, I guess.

Hilvar,

Great info, thanks for posting from an insiders perspective.

I get the feeling that the girls will be ready, but the mongers are going to take a while before they will get back up to normal levels. Which makes it a buyers market!

[QUOTE=FlAdventurer;2451487]Hilvar,

Great info, thanks for posting from an insiders perspective.

I get the feeling that the girls will be ready, but the mongers are going to take a while before they will get back up to normal levels. Which makes it a buyers market![/QUOTE]Hi FL.

Somehow I feel that the girls will be ready but the service levels will definitely not be the same. As mentioned in some posts below, they will really shy away from kissing, 69, fingering etc and only provide these service to very regular customers.

We need to wait and watch on this. Too early to comment. But I can be wrong (really hope that I am wrong.

AJ.

[QUOTE=AJ1981;2451566]Hi FL.

Somehow I feel that the girls will be ready but the service levels will definitely not be the same. As mentioned in some posts below, they will really shy away from kissing, 69, fingering etc and only provide these service to very regular customers.

We need to wait and watch on this. Too early to comment. But I can be wrong (really hope that I am wrong.

AJ.[/QUOTE]And this is what makes me wonder if it is even worth coming this year. It might be better to just wait until this all dies down.

I am open to advice from the locals as to what they think and what they experience.

Do you mind if I reference your posts and dialogue in the Blog on Hungary so that others can quickly see it without having to go back looking through the threads?

I think you post great info and it will be valuable to new and experienced mongers in Budapest looking at the massage scene.