Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Leo33;2804524]Hello! Did you rent the villa? Can you recommend the place? Thank you![/QUOTE]A villa with a pool in his eyes probably means a tent on beach with ocean in front!

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2804874]... or she paid the bargirl to monitor the Farang so he wouldn't sleep with anyone and she slept with him anyways?[/QUOTE]If they say "take care" (it's even used as a loanword in Thai now), it doesn't mean monitoring. It's hands-on.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2804928]This is an old trope, the bar girls telling you not to go with another girl from her bar, while she is barfined by another customer.[/QUOTE]Its the nature of women to be jealous. I remember decades ago I banged a tall slim blonde in a terma in Rio Brazil, when I returned to that terma it was my intention to choose someone else. The girl I had banged before looked directly at me and pouted for the entire time I was there, it was most disconcerting.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2805058]THey where still closed last June / July so they "reopened" after a covid a lot later than other gogos.[/QUOTE]Peppermint was open from at least September. There weren't many girls then. Maybe about 50 but my girl was busy so didn't need to stay. But Explorer is saying it's like pre-COVID now so nice to hear it has upwards to 100 girls again.

[QUOTE=XXL;2804338]I messaged this Soi 6 girl (no stunner) whom I sessioned a couple of times at Soi 6. I told her she could come to my condo in Jomtien (Pattaya side) at 1 pm so that she would not lose on her working hours. ST one hour, 2000 baht. She rejected the deal unless I paid an additional travel fee. This shows how spoilt and lazy girls have become.[/QUOTE]I am in Bogota, Colombia where I get stunners for less then 1000 baht per hour delivered to my Airbnb apt by Uber (COP $120,000) I have totally given up on Pattaya due to the cost of mongering there has gotten so expensive. Here in Bogota my lux Airbnb apt and daily mongering costs cost me US $2000 per month.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2805129]Its the nature of women to be jealous. I remember decades ago I banged a tall slim blonde in a terma in Rio Brazil, when I returned to that terma it was my intention to choose someone else. The girl I had banged before looked directly at me and pouted for the entire time I was there, it was most disconcerting.[/QUOTE]This is a regular experience for me and I'm sure most farangs on Soi 6. It must be a cultural thing as they see it as losing face. From my perspective it's like, you're banging multiple dudes a day, so what's the problem with me choosing a different girl the next time I frequent the venue.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2805137]I am in Bogota, Colombia where I get stunners for less then 1000 baht per hour delivered to my Airbnb apt by Uber (COP $120,000) I have totally given up on Pattaya due to the cost of mongering there has gotten so expensive. Here in Bogota my lux Airbnb apt and daily mongering costs cost me US $2000 per month.[/QUOTE]You can get 1,000 baht girls delivered to your room in Pattaya as well, perhaps not as attractive, but at least in Thailand you don't have to worry about getting drugged and robbed of your money.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2805129]Its the nature of women to be jealous. I remember decades ago I banged a tall slim blonde in a terma in Rio Brazil, when I returned to that terma it was my intention to choose someone else. The girl I had banged before looked directly at me and pouted for the entire time I was there, it was most disconcerting.[/QUOTE]One of my all time favorite repeat bargirls, sometimes stayed Overnight Long Time for free yet I was still generous with her IMHO, cut me off from barfining her and / or fucking her after she saw me walking out of Nana Plaza with another girl not even from her bar. That was almost two years ago and she is still behaving standoffish with me when I encounter her in her bar.

It isn't always only about the money and strictly business as much as some assert. Sometimes I wish it were.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2804988]This can be a reflection of yourself. She has little choice when at work. In her free time she has every right to make you pay. Especially if she doesn't like you.

The fact that you balk about an extra 150 baht for travel and then complain on social media saying it's reflective of the market as a whole is embarrassing.[/QUOTE]Let's do ourselves a favour and put each other on our ignore lists shall we. This will prevent any further "embarassment".

Are there any good KTV's in Pattaya?

How much is one usually expect to pay?

Any KTV pro's want to answer?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2805130]Peppermint was open from at least September. There weren't many girls then. Maybe about 50 but my girl was busy so didn't need to stay. But Explorer is saying it's like pre-COVID now so nice to hear it has upwards to 100 girls again.[/QUOTE]The Peppermint that was upstairs 10+ years ago may have had 100 ladies, buy the later Peppermint was smaller, maybe 30. The current Peppermint resembles the Peppermint of 2018.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2805130]Peppermint was open from at least September. There weren't many girls then. Maybe about 50 but my girl was busy so didn't need to stay. But Explorer is saying it's like pre-COVID now so nice to hear it has upwards to 100 girls again.[/QUOTE]100 girls. Hahahaha.

Rainbow 5 last night had body count in the 70's last night at 10 pm.

For reference that is on the low side.

[QUOTE=Betong;2805092]If they say "take care" (it's even used as a loanword in Thai now), it doesn't mean monitoring. It's hands-on.[/QUOTE]Yep. The intent of the deal was for the lady to fuck the Farang so that he wouldn't sleep with other women.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2804928]This is an old trope, the bar girls telling you not to go with another girl from her bar, while she is barfined by another customer.[/QUOTE]Not in this case. She frequently sent Line locations and did video chats as she traveled on a bus for the next 24 hours.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2805276]Not in this case. She frequently sent Line locations and did video chats as she traveled on a bus for the next 24 hours.[/QUOTE]Oh, she went back to the village to see her Thai boyfriend.

For anyone currently in Pattaya. What are the actual ST prices and long time prices? I haven't been over since the covid BS. Skimming thru this for a few pages prices seem to be all over the place. I think some posters just out right lie. I do know Costa Rica is ruined girls wanting $200 us dollars and up for one hour last week! Hotel del rey closed down! I stayed one night rebooked my airfare and left. Coloumbia is ruined as well. The cruise ships ruined Cartegna and the idiots with utube channels telling everyone. I'm am scared this will happen in Pattaya these damn retards with utube channels telling everything. Tons of utube videos these days.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2805296]Oh, she went back to the village to see her Thai boyfriend.[/QUOTE]Yes! That could have happened, which was fine by me because by then I had my fill of her and was ready to move forward. If we had continued more nights, I would have felt bad when I refuse to send sick buffalo money. NEXT!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2805151]This is a regular experience for me and I'm sure most farangs on Soi 6. It must be a cultural thing as they see it as losing face. From my perspective it's like, you're banging multiple dudes a day, so what's the problem with me choosing a different girl the next time I frequent the venue.[/QUOTE]See, the only reason she endures getting free drinks bought for her all night, fucking and smoking pole for multiple stranger dudes per day in their luxury hotel rooms for a per hour amount roughly equal to an average week's pay in Thailand is because she is solely responsible for paying the bills for the family water buffalo's emergency dental work and to replace the motorcycle her brother crashed into the outer ring of Saturn.

She has no choice.

By stark contrast, the only reason you take ladies from the bar to have sex with them is because you want to.

She can neither be blamed nor credited for what she does with all those other dudes while you are 100% to blame for what you do with other girls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2805129]Its the nature of women to be jealous. I remember decades ago I banged a tall slim blonde in a terma in Rio Brazil, when I returned to that terma it was my intention to choose someone else. The girl I had banged before looked directly at me and pouted for the entire time I was there, it was most disconcerting.[/QUOTE]Most likely financially jealous. A repeated punter represesnrs a regular revenue and getting easier and easier each further time to make him happy. His expectations will become lesser as a different type of relationship will develop. Still maintaining a P4 P one.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2805152]You can get 1,000 baht girls delivered to your room in Pattaya as well, perhaps not as attractive, but at least in Thailand you don't have to worry about getting drugged and robbed of your money.[/QUOTE]Bingo. Also, in my experience, Asian women will 100% of the time give you a BBBJ as part of the service where as with Latin / South American / Spanish women you won't be so lucky. I was in the Carribean (Dominican Republic) and couldn't believe most women there wanted a covered BJ, plus obviously most do not know English, plus some will take your shit that you leave out (shirts, snacks, toiletries, etc.) It made me miss Thailand even more. I never had an Asian take a single thing in my room. Nothing.

Maybe one day I will give Colombia a try, but between drugs, robbing, bad covered BJs, and learning Spanish, I think I'll wait a while.

"Off of Buakhao is Soi Boomerang which also has a handful of decent GC's. As for mongering- I would start with the GC's in BongKot, Boomerang and near Pothole during the day (3-4 ish), then have a TF girl come over for ST- and if she flakes or afterwards, go to Soi Pothole or LK Metro. The next day substitute one of these options with Soi 6."

What are SC and TF? Both lacking in the Abbreviations. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2805137]I am in Bogota, Colombia where I get stunners for less then 1000 baht per hour delivered to my Airbnb apt by Uber (COP $120,000) I have totally given up on Pattaya due to the cost of mongering there has gotten so expensive. Here in Bogota my lux Airbnb apt and daily mongering costs cost me US $2000 per month.[/QUOTE]Can you tell us more? Where can we see these girls and don't we need to speak Spanish?

[QUOTE=NewT556;2805356]For anyone currently in Pattaya. What are the actual ST prices and long time prices? I haven't been over since the covid BS. Skimming thru this for a few pages prices seem to be all over the place. I think some posters just out right lie. I do know Costa Rica is ruined girls wanting $200 us dollars and up for one hour last week! Hotel del rey closed down! I stayed one night rebooked my airfare and left. Coloumbia is ruined as well. The cruise ships ruined Cartegna and the idiots with utube channels telling everyone. I'm am scared this will happen in Pattaya these damn retards with utube channels telling everything. Tons of utube videos these days.[/QUOTE]I'm not currently in Pattaya but was there in November 22.

Seems that ST is between 1 K and 3 K depending on the quality of the girl and where you found her and 3 K up for LT (if she even accepts it) + price of barfine or ST room (if there is any) and price of your drink + hers (if you found her in a bar, Agogo or another entertainment place).

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2805470]Maybe one day I will give Colombia a try, but between drugs, robbing, bad covered BJs, and learning Spanish, I think I'll wait a while.[/QUOTE]I chronicled a week mongering in Bogota in my early posts here- but I've been there 3 times and Medellin twice.

TBH Bogota is really not a great mongering scene- everything (even BJ) is usually covered unless you pay extra (which even then is not a given). The red-light area (Santa Fe) is a total hell-hole and extremely dangerous. The strip club / brothels in upscale neighborhoods are clip joints (and all covered). Seeking Arrangement is viable but it takes a lot of time and energy and is really more an option for long time expats. Spanish is a must because they don't speak any english at all. The city alternates between being freezing cold, and then really hot when the sun comes out, so you never know how to dress. It's not a point and shoot location at all. On the positive side I will say some options (short time in Santa Fe) probably are marginally cheaper than Pattaya, and many Latinas are quite beautiful.

Medellin has similar issues.

Colombia and DR are the lowest hanging fruit for Americans, so a lot of mongers just sort of stop there and develop some weird tribal allegiance to a clearly sub-standard scene. Most mongers who have done all the scenes worldwide will say Brazil and Thailand are the best. Or they simply can't afford to fly any further and so since the option is not viable for them they do some mental gymnastics to justify their preference.

Mr E, I remember you saying Pattaya was your favorite when we met last summer. Still true, and if yes why?

Fortunately, the mamasans support our mindsets of taking different girls. My last night in Thailand was spent at a go go and mamasan encouraged me to take both my girl from the prior night plus another girl. The new girl seemed happy about the prospect but my prior night girl was clearly unhappy about sharing me (and my money). When I opted to repeat with only the prior girl, she rewarded me with a superior experience. Even with hookers and no difference in money, women appreciate feeling special.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2805470]Bingo. Also, in my experience, Asian women will 100% of the time give you a BBBJ as part of the service where as with Latin / South American / Spanish women you won't be so lucky. I was in the Carribean (Dominican Republic) and couldn't believe most women there wanted a covered BJ, plus obviously most do not know English, plus some will take your shit that you leave out (shirts, snacks, toiletries, etc.) It made me miss Thailand even more. I never had an Asian take a single thing in my room. Nothing.

Maybe one day I will give Colombia a try, but between drugs, robbing, bad covered BJs, and learning Spanish, I think I'll wait a while.[/QUOTE]Imo Colombia is very overrated and Brazil blows it out of the water. In terms of sexual performance, Thai girls are poor in bed compared to the Brazilians.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2805470]Bingo. Also, in my experience, Asian women will 100% of the time give you a BBBJ as part of the service where as with Latin / South American / Spanish women you won't be so lucky. I was in the Carribean (Dominican Republic) and couldn't believe most women there wanted a covered BJ, plus obviously most do not know English, plus some will take your shit that you leave out (shirts, snacks, toiletries, etc.) It made me miss Thailand even more. I never had an Asian take a single thing in my room. Nothing.

Maybe one day I will give Colombia a try, but between drugs, robbing, bad covered BJs, and learning Spanish, I think I'll wait a while.[/QUOTE]BBBJ is standard in Thailand. As far as Latina women, I've only mongered in Tijuana and quite extensively and can say easily that Thai girls give way better service. Everything from attitude to the actual deed. The Tijuana girls give off that western girl entitlement vibe which I can't stand. Maybe they're different in Colombia, but from what I hear and read that is not so.

[QUOTE=XViking;2805475]"Off of Buakhao is Soi Boomerang which also has a handful of decent GC's. As for mongering- I would start with the GC's in BongKot, Boomerang and near Pothole during the day (3-4 ish), then have a TF girl come over for ST- and if she flakes or afterwards, go to Soi Pothole or LK Metro. The next day substitute one of these options with Soi 6."

What are SC and TF? Both lacking in the Abbreviations. Thank you.[/QUOTE]TF = ThaiFriendly. It is an online "dating" site but really 90% of the gals on there are freelancers. You ask about SC but do you mean GC? GC stands for Gentlemen's Club which is usually a bar with a closed front.

[QUOTE=NewT556;2805356]For anyone currently in Pattaya. What are the actual ST prices and long time prices? I haven't been over since the covid BS. Skimming thru this for a few pages prices seem to be all over the place. I think some posters just out right lie. I do know Costa Rica is ruined girls wanting $200 us dollars and up for one hour last week! Hotel del rey closed down! I stayed one night rebooked my airfare and left. Coloumbia is ruined as well. The cruise ships ruined Cartegna and the idiots with utube channels telling everyone. I'm am scared this will happen in Pattaya these damn retards with utube channels telling everything. Tons of utube videos these days.[/QUOTE]I don't think people are lie-ing about prices per SE. Hahaha.

What they are mis-leading people on is Lack of Quality of girl.

Sitting in Sukhumvit Burger King this morning a guy walks in with his LT GF. If he says he pay 1,000 baht ID ask why so much.

[QUOTE=XViking;2805475]"Off of Buakhao is Soi Boomerang which also has a handful of decent GC's. As for mongering- I would start with the GC's in BongKot, Boomerang and near Pothole during the day (3-4 ish), then have a TF girl come over for ST- and if she flakes or afterwards, go to Soi Pothole or LK Metro. The next day substitute one of these options with Soi 6."

What are SC and TF? Both lacking in the Abbreviations. Thank you.[/QUOTE]GC = Gentlemens Club.

TF = [URL]ThaiFriendly.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2805476]Can you tell us more? Where can we see these girls and don't we need to speak Spanish?[/QUOTE]Mileroticos and photoprepagos.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2805480]Mr E, I remember you saying Pattaya was your favorite when we met last summer. Still true, and if yes why?[/QUOTE]Pattaya is the greatest show on earth. The funniest thing is that my first Thai hooker taught me all I needed to know. Those were her words and I see it still rings true today.

Me and my friend were staying at Nana Hotel in Bangkok. I was sleep, but he went down to the disco that was in the hotel and brought back a chick for him and knocked on my door with her friend. They stayed with us 2 days and we gave them 2,000 baht each. She wanted more but I was like no way. I remember her telling me she had a sixth grade education.

She took it upon herself to teach me some Thai. She said all you need to know is, "Where are you going?" She taught me a few more things, but 18 years later I still have the paper she wrote the stuff down on and to this day I can walk outside and ask a chick in Thai where are you going and it is like magic. I tried that shit on a chick in Brazil a couple of months ago and got cursed the fuck out.

Also Thais do not see sex the same as Westerners see it. I can be in Colombia or Dominican Republic and a chick may try to pull the we just met card. I absolutely can not recall meeting a non-P4 P Thai chick and them not wanting to fuck on the first day. They do not need to get to know you and it has nothing to do with love. (The Australian brother that wrote those books has a perfect list of where a foreigner falls on the priority for Thai women. It was like dead last even after the fleas on her pet. XXL alludes to this a lot when he talks about chicks giving him their Line, but them not responding to messages.) Don't get offended or frustrated. It is what it is. Just remember to put on a performance when you are finally called up to the plate.

The flip side of this is that Western males still have Western mindsets. So if a chick fucks them, many times they take it for more than it actually is. A Thai chick fucking you is only saying that a Thai chick is fucking you. It says nothing about her feelings or if you will even know her 2 weeks from today. They come and go. Sad that many Westerners get caught out because they believe it to be something more as may be the case in the same situation back home. And remember I am talking about the non-P4 P chicks here. If it is a chick that you are paying then expect even less. Definitely do not invest in that shit.

On a different note, I hate to see when a guy comes to Pattaya and meets a chick, then he gets the bright idea to start a business. I have seen so many come and go and I just shake my head when a new one opens (especially when it is in some out of the way location) - albeit I will still try to give them some business and spread the word. Come, enjoy yourself, and leave the bright ideas back home. As the old adage says, if you want to make a small fortune in Thailand, then start with a large one.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2805480]I chronicled a week mongering in Bogota in my early posts here- but I've been there 3 times and Medellin twice.

TBH Bogota is really not a great mongering scene- everything (even BJ) is usually covered unless you pay extra (which even then is not a given). The red-light area (Santa Fe) is a total hell-hole and extremely dangerous. The strip club / brothels in upscale neighborhoods are clip joints (and all covered). Seeking Arrangement is viable but it takes a lot of time and energy and is really more an option for long time expats. Spanish is a must because they don't speak any english at all. The city alternates between being freezing cold, and then really hot when the sun comes out, so you never know how to dress. It's not a point and shoot location at all. On the positive side I will say some options (short time in Santa Fe) probably are marginally cheaper than Pattaya, and many Latinas are quite beautiful.

Medellin has similar issues.

Colombia and DR are the lowest hanging fruit for Americans, so a lot of mongers just sort of stop there and develop some weird tribal allegiance to a clearly sub-standard scene. Most mongers who have done all the scenes worldwide will say Brazil and Thailand are the best. Or they simply can't afford to fly any further and so since the option is not viable for them they do some mental gymnastics to justify their preference.

Mr E, I remember you saying Pattaya was your favorite when we met last summer. Still true, and if yes why?[/QUOTE]Yeap, Colombia is done! Back in the day it was a great. Cartagena rocked cheap girls, food, apartments, and airfare and I could be boots on the ground in 4 hours. Sex was amazing uncovered BJ just covered for sex, anal was mostly allowed with no upcharge and you could BB if you paid a little extra. Girls on beach it was easy, I let the chair boy do all the work and man could he find some chics. Same with Costa Rica when I fiirst went there Hotel de rey my room was $25 a night the last time I went it was $119. It is now closed and every thing is expensive thanks to the ECO tourists and damn Do Gooders. Girls just kept increasing the price and stupid rules. I will never go back! I never did do DR that place has always been a shit hole. I never liked the brazilian girls spent alot of time there working and the girls just didn't appeal to me reminded me to much of nasty DR girls.

One of the biggest down falls for Colombia was the utubers flocking there making videos. Hands down this is the biggest reason why things are screwed. It will happen to thailand too and is well on its way. My god all the vids is crazy especially the condo vids. Posted by fools begging their Bro's to come over. These utubers in thailand need to be treaty like shitbags by everyone instead of treating them like gods with these silly "meet ups"! These internet beggars aka cheap charlies are pure scum and are ruining it for everyone! The condo vids are the ones ruining it. Plus in America thanks to covid BS for some reason. There is a new tourist they are called "walmart trash". Yeap sadly the "walmart trash" have discovered international travel and it is the damn cheap prices these utubers post. The utubers are the enemy!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2805548]BBBJ is standard in Thailand. As far as Latina women, I've only mongered in Tijuana and quite extensively and can say easily that Thai girls give way better service. Everything from attitude to the actual deed. The Tijuana girls give off that western girl entitlement vibe which I can't stand. Maybe they're different in Colombia, but from what I hear and read that is not so.[/QUOTE]Colombia and Tijuana do not even compare. Mongering in Colombia is way better and cheaper than Tijuana. Colombia is only second to Brazil on that side of the planet. That being said, Colombia is not a monolith. The mongering in Bogota is different from Cali, is different from Medellíand, is different from Cartagena, is different from Barranquilla.

I would say the quality and cheapness of the mongering is inversely proportional to the prescence of foreigners and tourists. Cartagena is full of weekend millionaires so it is hard to believe that place is even Colombia. People are paying $100 short time which is insane in a country where the average monthly wage is $250. Although it can be compared to guys going to a gogo in Pattaya and doing the same thing.

Medellin has a good presence of foreign mongers and tourist, but there are so many options that it is not yet possible for everything to be ruined by overzealous tourists. Bogota is so big and there is no foreign mongering scene, so outside of the clipjoints and a couple of ripoff agency websites, you will be paying the same prices as Colombians. Barranquilla and Cali are unspoiled due to there being virtually no foreign tourists. There is no point and click or foreign mongering scene and you will pretty much need to be able.

To speak Spanish in those places and know where you are going.

I have been going to Tijuana for over 30 years since I was in the Navy in San Diego. The funniest thing to me are the street girls. You go up to one and she tells you $20. For some reason it is too hard for Americans to exchange currency or think outside of USD and I guess it seems cheap to them, so they pay the $20.1 hour later I go up to the same chick. She tells me $20 but I am a seasoned vet and say but I only have pesos. She tells me 200 pesos. Right now 200 pesos is actually $11. So I saved $9 (pretty much half) over you for not being lazy and thinking in USDollars. (Or maybe when I got her she was lower quality from when you got her since I paid less.) It does not work the same in the clubs though. They even have the correct exchange rate posted so everyone can see. If a drink or chick in the clubs costs whatever in dollars, they are going to charge that same amount in pesos.

As a service to you guys, I occasionally will try to break in a new lady, civvies who don't work bar.

Today, a lady from Rayong showed up to drink. No English, so I got a Thai lesson. As with most ladies, she started on the far side of the sofa, but after an hour, she was leaning on me. So far, so good.

After another hour, she was trying to play with my Dick. I pushed back a little bit, I wanted to go slower.

And then she collapsed, metaphorically. She started crying and said she wanted to go.

So, off she went.

I chalked it up to her deciding she didn't want to fuck, and wanted to go. Maybe her husband was waiting somewhere for her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2805615]......Also Thais do not see sex the same as Westerners see it. I can be in Colombia or Dominican Republic and a chick may try to pull the we just met card. I absolutely can not recall meeting a non-P4 P Thai chick and them not wanting to fuck on the first day. They do not need to get to know you .....[/QUOTE]So true. Reminds me of my first visit to Thailand decades ago. Met this Thai chick in a mall in Bangkok, we chatted and I treated her to a bite to eat. We exchanged contact information and I promised to call her. Long story short, hours later when I got to my hotel there she was waiting in the lobby. She was a little angry as she was waiting for a long time. I was in my USA wired frame of mind as when I told her where I was staying it was her understanding that she was going to visit me but I didn't get that. BBFS and my only expense was the meal I bought her.

[QUOTE=NewT556;2805623]One of the biggest down falls for Colombia was the utubers flocking there making videos. Hands down this is the biggest reason why things are screwed. It will happen to thailand too and is well on its way. These internet beggars aka cheap charlies are pure scum and are ruining it for everyone![/QUOTE]Begs the question if the youtube guys are the cheap charlies that you say they are, why are prices in the gogos being raised? Surely it is not because of the cheap guys like me and youtubers.

After my first time to Cartagena in 2008 I decided to stay away. It was nothing like the other cities in Colombia that I had grown to love. And it was not because cheap guys were going there. It was because of weekend millionaires throwing money around.

So, I thought in add my two cents on the best in the WS area:

Bacarra: Always a favorite for the past 10 years or so. That said, tonight the girls looked a bit tired; only three topless in a set.

Pin-Ups: Very poor setup for viewing. It's long and narrow, very crowded too. Pretty girls, most with fake tits.

Windmill (Soi Diamond): Slutty looking skinny girls, lots of hands-on activity. Also, Windmill has two totally nude soapy shows. Hard to beat; no pun intended!

Overview: if you like to look at eye candy and spend a lot for nothing; Bacarra and Pin-ups are for you.

If you like a place where you spend a tad less, but get a very hands-on experience, The Windmill might float your boat.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2805816]Begs the question if the youtube guys are the cheap charlies that you say they are, why are prices in the gogos being raised? Surely it is not because of the cheap guys like me and youtubers.

After my first time to Cartagena in 2008 I decided to stay away. It was nothing like the other cities in Colombia that I had grown to love. And it was not because cheap guys were going there. It was because of weekend millionaires throwing money around.[/QUOTE]Cheap Customers.

They don't raise prices.

What they do is keep the unattractive girls in check. Hahaha.

Cheap Charlie's are like 5% of Sex customers. Maybe more -- it's the concept.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2805820]Windmill (Soi Diamond): Slutty looking skinny girls, lots of hands-on activity. Also, Windmill has two totally nude soapy shows. Hard to beat; no pun intended!.[/QUOTE]Does the Australian brother own that place? A couple of weeks ago I went to surprise the cashier that I mess with. I did not see her in the one on the left coming from Walking Street, so I went into the old one across from it. It was dead empty. When I came out he hollered at me that they had not finished that side yet. I was surprised to see him. I told him man I do not care about that bar, I just want to know when you are going to open another restaurant. He said you are one of mine? I said yeah man the ribs. He used to own Longhorn on Soi Lengkee.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2805816]Begs the question if the youtube guys are the cheap charlies that you say they are, why are prices in the gogos being raised? Surely it is not because of the cheap guys like me and youtubers.

After my first time to Cartagena in 2008 I decided to stay away. It was nothing like the other cities in Colombia that I had grown to love. And it was not because cheap guys were going there. It was because of weekend millionaires throwing money around.[/QUOTE]Korean 2 week millionaires pay top dollar for certain ladies in gogos. They like them with light skin so they look more Korean. That driver up prices for everyone.

And gogo ladies attract more idiot sponsors who give them money for nothing. So the ladies barely have to show up to make good money to give to their Thai boyfriend.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2805591]I don't think people are lie-ing about prices per SE. Hahaha.

What they are mis-leading people on is Lack of Quality of girl.

Sitting in Sukhumvit Burger King this morning a guy walks in with his LT GF. If he says he pay 1,000 baht ID ask why so much.[/QUOTE]SO true! I have never understood why guys spend all the money and flight time to get to thailand and then settle for fat and / or ugly girls. Does anyone have a answer for that? This isn't unique to thailand either I have seen this in redlight districts world wide. SHit fat ugly girls can be had in any walmart in the USA for free.

As of now I will be heading over in a month or so for 90 days. If all my plans work out I will be doing 90 days in thailand and 5 months stateside then back to thailand for 90 days. If that 60 day tourist visa works out the consulate office / asshole in atlanta is worse then thai immigration office. The guy that runs it is a complete asshole, incompetent and never works the stated hours. If not then ill just do the 30/30 deal.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2805712]Colombia and Tijuana do not even compare. Mongering in Colombia is way better and cheaper than Tijuana. Colombia is only second to Brazil on that side of the planet. That being said, Colombia is not a monolith. The mongering in Bogota is different from Cali, is different from Medelland, is different from Cartagena, is different from Barranquilla.

I would say the quality and cheapness of the mongering is inversely proportional to the prescence of foreigners and tourists. Cartagena is full of weekend millionaires so it is hard to believe that place is even Colombia. People are paying $100 short time which is insane in a country where the average monthly wage is $250. Although it can be compared to guys going to a gogo in Pattaya and doing the same thing.

Medellin has a good presence of foreign mongers and tourist, but there are so many options that it is not yet possible for everything to be ruined by overzealous tourists. Bogota is so big and there is no foreign mongering scene, so outside of the clipjoints and a couple of ripoff agency websites, you will be paying the same prices as Colombians. Barranquilla and Cali are unspoiled due to there being virtually no foreign tourists. There is no point and click or foreign mongering scene and you will pretty much need to be able.

To speak Spanish in those places and know where you are going.[/QUOTE]I went to Tijuana quite a few times during Covid sense every country was basically locked down, so Tijuana served its purpose. I haven't been back there in a year but from the research I have done, prices have only increased, including hotels. A three day trip with two sessions a day (non-street girls) in Tijuana would cost me around $1,200 at a minimum. Conversely, $1,200 in BKK / Pattaya gets me 30 to 40 STs, as opposed to 6. So just doing the basic math, I'm just biding myself time until I can get back to Thailand.

Have you mongered much in PHI? I have never been, but thinking of checking out Manila and Cebu for a short trip prior to flying to Thailand.

[QUOTE=NewT556;2805903].... SHit fat ugly girls can be had in any walmart in the USA for free......[/QUOTE]Give me a fat Thai girl over a fat USA Walmart girl any day. LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2806043]Give me a fat Thai girl over a fat USA Walmart girl any day. LOL.[/QUOTE]A fat Thai girl is more lovin. She might put in more work for better service.

A fat USA Walmart girl is going to have GPS and want $400 for only a CBJ.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2805888]Does the Australian brother own that place? A couple of weeks ago I went to surprise the cashier that I mess with. I did not see her in the one on the left coming from Walking Street, so I went into the old one across from it. It was dead empty. When I came out he hollered at me that they had not finished that side yet. I was surprised to see him. I told him man I do not care about that bar, I just want to know when you are going to open another restaurant. He said you are one of mine? I said yeah man the ribs. He used to own Longhorn on Soi Lengkee.[/QUOTE]It's owned by an English guy. Go upstairs for the real fun.

Longhorn is owned by Indian guys. It's awful. Only has customers when Patrick's and beefeater are full.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2805820]So, I thought in add my two cents on the best in the WS area:

Bacarra: Always a favorite for the past 10 years or so. That said, tonight the girls looked a bit tired; only three topless in a set.

Pin-Ups: Very poor setup for viewing. It's long and narrow, very crowded too. Pretty girls, most with fake tits.

Windmill (Soi Diamond): Slutty looking skinny girls, lots of hands-on activity. Also, Windmill has two totally nude soapy shows. Hard to beat; no pun intended!

Overview: if you like to look at eye candy and spend a lot for nothing; Bacarra and Pin-ups are for you.

If you like a place where you spend a tad less, but get a very hands-on experience, The Windmill might float your boat.[/QUOTE]XS on Walking street now. Same owner as pin up but a better set up. Fantastic. Iron is doing well also.

[QUOTE=NewT556;2805903]SO true! I have never understood why guys spend all the money and flight time to get to thailand and then settle for fat and / or ugly girls. Does anyone have a answer for that?[/QUOTE]That is just like saying why would people work all those years to spend all that money for a car that I do not like. Everybody likes different types of women the same as everybody likes different types of cars. You can not expect anybody to take into consideration your favorite when they buy either. 30 different guys like 30 different types of women. There should be no shock that everyone is not walking around with your type.

Which city in Thailand has the cheapest young pussy? Planning a trip to SEA with only a week to spare in Thailand. Should I go to Pattaya or Bangkok? Or a lesser known city?

[QUOTE=MoistCyst;2806100]Big difference between the kind of people that would come from western countries and from Korea. The majority of sexpats from Korea are wealthy men (whether it be from their own money or their parents) with real money to throw around, while Westerners will be middle / upper-middle class people coming for a sex trip. Koreans (and alot of Chinese) coming in are slumming around in SEA, while for alot of Western 2 week millionaires, this is a once in a lifetime trip.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say "once in a lifetime"-I travel to this area frequently as do many on this forum. It could be that the Western mongers here (from the US at least) have a greater capital base and US mongers with less money stick to Columbia, etc. Obviously many do not- it's a mix. But I take your point that the Koreans are usually wealthy and are slumming if only from a gut feeling. Even two-week millionaires don't burn cash with suck reckless abandon.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2806097] As for how Koreans behave with the girls, I am always impressed with how others are able to know how they are in bed with the girls. There are a few things about the general statements. First, like Americans, Koreans do not all act a certain way. How do Americans treat girls in the PI? You can't really answer that question because Americans are not all the same. Well, Koreans are the same way. Usually the hearsay is girls that Westerners go out with. This is not a representative sample. Girls who go with Westerners may prefer Westerners. Girls who don't go with Westerners may prefer Koreans and you will never hear from them. Now after all this talk about bargirls being liars, it is amazing that all of a sudden you can trust everything they tell you about Koreans. What do you expect to say when they are with you? That they rather be with Koreans? That Koreans are better in bed than you? Is this what you expect them to say if it were true? [/QUOTE]I'm on board with this. Girls usually try to flatter whoever they are with, they intuitively sense the competition anxiety and say whatever we want to hear. I am sure there are similar derogations floating around about Western men in the K-Monger sphere.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2806097] Anyway, I don't really worry that much about the Koreans. I just do my own thing and try to have fun.[/QUOTE]This is impossible in Angeles City- which is why I don't go there anymore. In Pattaya it's easy enough because I wouldn't be going into the GoGo's anyways. I don't mind spending money and am not a Cheap Charlie, but there's a difference between paying for quality and getting shafted.

A lady I know switched from working on Soi Chaiyaphum to working in a Thai bar a few months ago. Big difference for her. She has no interest in Farangs, but her Thai customers are great for her.

Pro tip: that's true for most ladies in Pattaya, no contest between old Farangs and young Thais, regardless of what the ladies say.

So now her Thai boyfriend is sad because of her new job. He doesn't care if she spends the night with me, but if she does an overnighter with a Thai man, big trouble. Last night, she did an overnighter, and asked me to cover for her. Her boyfriend is checking my Facebook for a sign that I am not home. The official story (for me) is she is going with a Farang, the official story for everyone else is she is going with me.

But, she has probably hooked up with a Thai man, and soon there is going to be an explosion.

If you live in Pattaya, sometimes there is drama.

But the main point is that bargirls love Thai men. Or Tomboys. Don't let them fool you. They will tell you any story so you give them free money to hand to their Thai man.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2806097]Korea is much closer to the PI so it is similar to the situation in Costa Rica where Americans are making it rain. When you have a short flight and the airfare is cheap, you tend to go on short vacations when you have time and are willing to spend more because you are only there for a short time.[/QUOTE]I would have to totally agree with this, although I think mentioning Sosua, Dominican Republic would have made your observation iron clad and exactly mirrored this effect on the other side of the world with different cultures. When I first started going there you would hear nothing except Dominican music in the bars and discos. Now guess what you only hear. You could get a beautiful GFE to stay with you all night for $30 and did not even have to discuss price.

Now you have chicks not attractive to me asking for $100 short time and guys considering it a bargain to get them for $80. And with the influx of guys around there literally throwing money on chicks, it is said one hotel has decided to open a strip club on the premises. It will probably be the only one in the country (geared to a certain crowd), because the locals pay for fucking, not for chicks dancing in front of them with a bikini on. I can just imagine someone on the German version of ISG posing the same question about Sosua as RS has posed about AC. What happened to the place? As you said these guys live close and they come in and throw around what is considered a lot of money in a short amount of time.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2805890]Korean 2 week millionaires pay top dollar for certain ladies in gogos. They like them with light skin so they look more Korean. That driver up prices for everyone.

And gogo ladies attract more idiot sponsors who give them money for nothing. So the ladies barely have to show up to make good money to give to their Thai boyfriend.[/QUOTE]Myth. I see a lot of Asians in what looks like high level International Negotiations with a Bargirl they fancy. Many leave empty handed.

Meaning they were probably going for the Gupta discount and got turned down.

Why do guys take ugly girls.

PRICE MATTERS.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2806164]A lady I know switched from working on Soi Chaiyaphum to working in a Thai bar a few months ago. Big difference for her. She has no interest in Farangs, but her Thai customers are great for her.

Pro tip: that's true for most ladies in Pattaya, no contest between old Farangs and young Thais, regardless of what the ladies say.

So now her Thai boyfriend is sad because of her new job. He doesn't care if she spends the night with me, but if she does an overnighter with a Thai man, big trouble. Last night, she did an overnighter, and asked me to cover for her. Her boyfriend is checking my Facebook for a sign that I am not home. The official story (for me) is she is going with a Farang, the official story for everyone else is she is going with me.

But, she has probably hooked up with a Thai man, and soon there is going to be an explosion.

If you live in Pattaya, sometimes there is drama.

But the main point is that bargirls love Thai men. Or Tomboys. Don't let them fool you. They will tell you any story so you give them free money to hand to their Thai man.[/QUOTE]Another myth busted.

People of any kind don't want their Mate having SEX with anyone.

They may put on a Happy face but deep down it's not appreciated.

You think a 59 year old Thai lady is happy her hubbie has SEX with Uni girls. Would you if you were the wife.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2806154]But I take your point that the Koreans are usually wealthy and are slumming if only from a gut feeling. Even two-week millionaires don't burn cash with suck reckless abandon.[/QUOTE]When speaking of Koreans living in USA, I've experienced them spending money with "reckless abandon." For 4 years I dated one Korean woman exclusively and my buddy lived with a Korean woman for 10 years. Through those acquaintances, I learned that several of these Korean people like to show off by spending large sums of money in ways that are visible to their friends. Fancy cars. Gambling. Rushing to pay the check at a fancy dinner for 8 people. I've seen 2 of these people frivolously spend money to the extent that they lost their McMansions, moved to small rental townhouses, and exchanged their Mercedes Benz cars for inexpensive economy cars.

I've only been mongering with one Korean man and he does not seem to be an out of control spender. Still, spending far more money than necessary is 100% consistent with what I've seen from Koreans living in USA.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2806201]Why do guys take ugly girls.

PRICE MATTERS.[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you wouldn't go with someone due to their looks, is a reason why someone else might go with them.

This the truth coming from a Korean American. Lot of Koreans want to show off even if it means financial ruins. I'm like the latter, although I love mongering, I do it after all my bills are paid and investments made. I'm in it for the long game. No need to show off, real g's move in silence like lasagna.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2806223]When speaking of Koreans living in USA, I've experienced them spending money with "reckless abandon." For 4 years I dated one Korean woman exclusively and my buddy lived with a Korean woman for 10 years. Through those acquaintances, I learned that several of these Korean people like to show off by spending large sums of money in ways that are visible to their friends. Fancy cars. Gambling. Rushing to pay the check at a fancy dinner for 8 people. I've seen 2 of these people frivolously spend money to the extent that they lost their McMansions, moved to small rental townhouses, and exchanged their Mercedes Benz cars for inexpensive economy cars.

I've only been mongering with one Korean man and he does not seem to be an out of control spender. Still, spending far more money than necessary is 100% consistent with what I've seen from Koreans living in USA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2806154]I'm on board with this. Girls usually try to flatter whoever they are with, they intuitively sense the competition anxiety and say whatever we want to hear. I am sure there are similar derogations floating around about Western men in the K-Monger sphere.[/QUOTE]I am on the opposite end of this. I have not had a sense of a chick trying to flatter me. What kind of flattery is it for a chick to tell me some other guys have paid 3000 or 5000 when I am only paying 1000? And I have seen receipts of this (paypals, whatsapps) so I am sure the girls are not lying.

When I spent the night at the chick's place a couple of weeks ago she asked if I had condoms. I said no do you? She said yes but they are not going to fit you. She took them out of her drawer. I said why the hell would you buy small ones then. She said that she did not buy them, but had gotten them from the Korean customer she was with the day before.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2806201]Why do guys take ugly girls.

PRICE MATTERS.[/QUOTE]Besides taste. There is no correlation between LOOKS and SERVICE.

So yeah that 10 K hotty from Pinup might be hot. And a boring fuck.

And yeah that 1 K freelancer from Thaifriendly might look average and chubby but fuck like its her last fuck ever.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2806201]Why do guys take ugly girls.

PRICE MATTERS.[/QUOTE]Why do guys take ladyboys?

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2806196]Myth. I see a lot of Asians in what looks like high level International Negotiations with a Bargirl they fancy. Many leave empty handed.

Meaning they were probably going for the Gupta discount and got turned down.[/QUOTE]There's a Korean bar on 3rd Road. Customers pay up to 5,000 baht for ST with light skinned ladies.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2806203]Another myth busted.

People of any kind don't want their Mate having SEX with anyone.

They may put on a Happy face but deep down it's not appreciated.

You think a 59 year old Thai lady is happy her hubbie has SEX with Uni girls. Would you if you were the wife.[/QUOTE]I can tell you that Thai men in Pattaya often are okay if their Tilac goes with Farang customers, but it's murder time if they go with Thai men.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2806431]Besides taste. There is no correlation between LOOKS and SERVICE.

So yeah that 10 K hotty from Pinup might be hot. And a boring fuck.

And yeah that 1 K freelancer from Thaifriendly might look average and chubby but fuck like its her last fuck ever.[/QUOTE]There's another factor. A lady may be hot looking, but her body is not so hot once she is lying in bed. Yesterday, I had a curvy lady over to drink, but in bed, her tits disappeared, as did most of her other curves. In the night, I had an average looking lady, but she felt better in bed.

Simpleton question.

Why are Soi 6 girls and Beach Road girls Happy with 1,000 bath.

Why are in demand Girls at Peppermint not Happy with 1,000 baht?

How do I know I'm right. Hahaha.

Go to Poseidon Massage Parlour.

They have equivalent of Soi 6 girls at 2,000 baht.

An elevator ride up and the girls are 5,000 baht.

It's not a beholder thing.

What do when your overnight lady won't leave in the morning.

I woke up at 7, but the lady didn't. At 10 am, I crawled back into bed, she was lying naked on top of the sheets, and tried to give me a HJ, but I fell asleep for a new minutes, then got up.

At 12 noon, I checked on her, still sleeping naked on the sheets. I laid next to her, and she gave me a BBBJ and then went back to sleep.

Fortunately, my 13.00 lady postponed her visit until tomorrow.

By 2 pm, the lady was up and around, and I gave her cash money. She complained about the heat, and sat on the sofa.

After an hour, she shuffled off. I thought she was going to attempt the "I'm your girlfriend " maneuver, but she was pretty quiet when she left.

Of course, she forgot something in my condo.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2806456]Why do guys take ladyboys?[/QUOTE]Fact. There's a market for good looking ladyboy s.

Unlike ugly girls ugly ladyboy s get no action.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2806456]Why do guys take ladyboys?[/QUOTE]Not necessarily because they're gay but because they are bored having women every day and want to try something different. I have never done that and never will.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2806577]What do when your overnight lady won't leave in the morning.[/QUOTE]Since you're in control, you wake her up and send her on her way. She has no say in how you want to spend your own time.

I know LT ladies like to lounge around and in all fairness to them, they usually offer sex in the morning, but ultimately, they do not get a say in what to do, you are leading and they follow.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2806494]Simpleton question.

Why are Soi 6 girls and Beach Road girls Happy with 1,000 bath.

Why are in demand Girls at Peppermint not Happy with 1,000 baht?[/QUOTE]Not so many Korea man go to Soi 6 or Beach Road.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2806627]Not necessarily because they're gay but because they are bored having women every day and want to try something different. I have never done that and never will.[/QUOTE]The Coyote factor:

Some ladyboys really look like women, and the customer doesn't know the truth until its too late.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2806627]Not necessarily because they're gay but because they are bored having women every day and want to try something different. I have never done that and never will.[/QUOTE]The lady doth protesteth too much.

But this is not a ladyboy forum, so let's focus on lady issues.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2806494]Simpleton question.

Why are Soi 6 girls and Beach Road girls Happy with 1,000 bath.

Why are in demand Girls at Peppermint not Happy with 1,000 baht?[/QUOTE]Why is there never a line at KFC where wings are 40 baht, but there is always a line at Pattaya Supreme Fried Chicken on Soi 16 where wings are 10 baht? Doesn't everyone know that the wings that are in demand supposed to cost more? They must be inferior since they are only 10 baht though. All those people lining up to buy inferior chicken.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2806632]Since you're in control, you wake her up and send her on her way. She has no say in how you want to spend your own time.

I know LT ladies like to lounge around and in all fairness to them, they usually offer sex in the morning, but ultimately, they do not get a say in what to do, you are leading and they follow.[/QUOTE]In this case, it was no problem. I didn't mind the hand and blowjobs.

I would have thrown her out of bed if I knew my 1 pm lady was coming.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2806801]This was a great post Bonjovi3- I really appreciate your insight on the matter. We're all just trying to get some poke in before the big sleep- and Koreans share this essential human condition. I will let them burn their money in the GoGo's and stick to Soi 6, GC'S, TF, and Pothole and hope that at least for a little bit Pattaya will not go the way of Angeles City.

The rising supremacy of the K-Monger notwithstanding, my suspicion is the up and coming monger with the most ability to disrupt the balance is probably the Indian man. It may not seem like it now- but the Indian economy-fueled by their positive demographics-has a much brighter future than China, and if even only 10% more are brought into the middle class that translates to 140 million people (roughly half the USA).[/QUOTE]No way Jose are the Gupta's taking over Thailand Sex scene. Rainbows still not letting them in the Door. Hahaha. Hahaha.

And so Songkran begins.

Although there are people who come to Pattaya for Songkran, it's really not that great for the bars.

The open Soi 6 bars get soaked, and since idiots go out into the street to play in the water, not many order drinks.

The Gentlemens clubs would do okay, except for the requirement to undergo ordeal by water to get there.

One day of throwing water would be okay, but it's a week in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2806494]Simpleton question.

Why are Soi 6 girls and Beach Road girls Happy with 1,000 bath.

Why are in demand Girls at Peppermint not Happy with 1,000 baht?[/QUOTE]You could ask the same question about almost any product or service sold in this world.

Find a business, especially service business, which does NOT apply price segmentation / discrimination in some shape or form. Then find the boss of that biz and voila you have just met an idiot.

World of business lives out of price segmentation simply because some people want to pay more for the same than others.

It is a must for the owner or responsible manager to optimise pricing based on willingness to pay. That's why.

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2806491]I'm not Korean, but I have lived in Korea for a very long time and I monger in Korea without much issue (I'm white, but speak Korean which makes it possible). I don't have much to say about Koreans in Thailand, but you might be interested to know that there are plenty of Thai sex workers in Korea. I think it's safe to say that there are 1000's of them working in Korea at any given time. However, in Korea the sex business is almost completely underground, and requires that customers sign up for an online site similar to fiwfans in order to make a reservation to meet at a nondescript studio apartment.
[/QUOTE]Thank you sir, excellent excellent writeup! Sounds like you might have a blog somewhere, or at least should be doing one!

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2806491]
.......
-Prices are fixed across the entire industry. At current exchange rates it's 60 usd for 30 min and 1 shot; 115 usd for 70 min and 2 shots. There are plenty of other menu options.

-As a rule, Korean guys don't go down on the women. Asian machismo or worries about dirty pussy? I doubt they are worried about dirty pussy, because most of them like it raw. [b]Going raw costs an extra 20 usd.[/b][/QUOTE]Excellent info.

The last part that I highlighted alone might be enough to inspire me to give Korea a try as a mongering destination!

Are you saying the extra 20 usd to get bareback fucking is "fixed" and set on a menu of some kind? If so, that is a business model I encourage and endorse 100%. If that is the case, my hat's off to Koreans and I might even be rooting for them to take over ownership and management of as many bars in Thailand as possible. And the sooner the better! LOL.

Or is it similar to Thailand now where getting bareback is a crap shoot with every girl, extra money or not, but if you choose needier girls your chances of routinely getting it for free or an additional charge improve?

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2806868]You could ask the same question about almost any product or service sold in this world.

Find a business, especially service business, which does NOT apply price segmentation / discrimination in some shape or form. Then find the boss of that biz and voila you have just met an idiot.

World of business lives out of price segmentation simply because some people want to pay more for the same than others.

It is a must for the owner or responsible manager to optimise pricing based on willingness to pay. That's why.[/QUOTE]Simpleton answer I was looking for is Soi 6 girls are as unattractive today as they were in 1999. Therefore not much pricing power.

Think Hood property in Vegas. Product is just not of any quality. 1999 house cost $19,999. Today $19,999.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2806928]Excellent info.

The last part that I highlighted alone might be enough to inspire me to give Korea a try as a mongering destination!

Are you saying the extra 20 usd to get bareback fucking is "fixed" and set on a menu of some kind? If so, that is a business model I encourage and endorse 100%. If that is the case, my hat's off to Koreans and I might even be rooting for them to take over ownership and management of as many bars in Thailand as possible. And the sooner the better! LOL.

Or is it similar to Thailand now where getting bareback is a crap shoot with every girl, extra money or not, but if you choose needier girls your chances of routinely getting it for free or an additional charge improve?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't get my hopes up too high dues to one person's Reports.

You of all should know better. Hahaha.

Reading between the lines even Rooms must having a hard time in Thailand.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2806928]Excellent info.

The last part that I highlighted alone might be enough to inspire me to give Korea a try as a mongering destination!

Are you saying the extra 20 usd to get bareback fucking is "fixed" and set on a menu of some kind? If so, that is a business model I encourage and endorse 100%. If that is the case, my hat's off to Koreans and I might even be rooting for them to take over ownership and management of as many bars in Thailand as possible. And the sooner the better! LOL.

Or is it similar to Thailand now where getting bareback is a crap shoot with every girl, extra money or not, but if you choose needier girls your chances of routinely getting it for free or an additional charge improve?[/QUOTE]I remember eons ago I was taken in by reports Hot Thai girls were available for a song.

Then on the ground I found out those available for a song oftentimes didn't have Teeth. You know what I mean.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2807128]I remember eons ago I was taken in by reports Hot Thai girls were available for a song.

Then on the ground I found out those available for a song oftentimes didn't have Teeth. You know what I mean.[/QUOTE]I have no clue what the hell you're talking about, although you're speaking English it seems.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2807127]I wouldn't get my hopes up too high dues to one person's Reports.

You of all should know better. Hahaha.

Reading between the lines even Rooms must having a hard time in Thailand.[/QUOTE]That's why the terms "If so" and "If that is the case" were invented.

If you are waiting for a lady to come visit you, q good rule of thumb is that her eagerness is a function of her punctuality.

If she is really late, most of the time, she is going to be crappy.

If she is really early, she's going to be pretty good.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2802589]I had been talking to a Thai Friendly chick for a couple of days. Then today she sends me a picture of a van full of mfs and says she wants to level with me. She said she has to take care of all these people and if I can not help her do that then I do not need to waste my time with her. I said ok.

The sad thing is that she probably would not be asking if there were not guys willing to take on the burden of financially supporting a bunch of random mfs that they have never met and have no ties to. Or at least that is my take from reading these pages at times. Thais make the mess and farang are there to clean it up.[/QUOTE]Sometimes these weird expectations or requests really take you by surprise.

Got a line message today from a longtime regular (who I have not seen for almost a month as her sponsor BF has been in town).

After couple of messages she went to the point:

- I have a problem.

- What problem?

- I would need some help.

- For what?

- My brother needs some money and I need to help him. Can you help me a little?

- Oh. Your boyfriend does not take care of you?

- I don't want to ask him unless I have to. But he give me if nobody else help me and I ask him.

- Better you ask him for brother.

WTF.

I have helped her a bit couple of times for rent payment, and she has always paid back in kind.
But to openly ask to give money to brother (who I recall her earlier telling is a lazy guy who likes to drink, and often asks her to help him)!
What the fuck was she thinking by saying that, just can't get it. Even worse than asking for a sick or dead buffalo!

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2807274]Sometimes these weird expectations or requests really take you by surprise.

Got a line message today from a longtime regular (who I have not seen for almost a month as her sponsor BF has been in town).

After couple of messages she went to the point:

- I have a problem.

- What problem?

- I would need some help.

- For what?

- My brother needs some money and I need to help him. Can you help me a little?

- Oh. Your boyfriend does not take care of you?[/QUOTE]At least you now know you were just another customer.

We aren't their Lover guys. We are Johns. Remember that and you will have a Great time.

Oops.

I just had a lady leave who transmogrified into an insatatiable ***** after a couple of hours of drinking. The only escape for me was to cum, but I couldn't cum. So she kept begging for 5 minutes more of fucking.

I'm the customer, not the boyfriend, so it's not my job to make her cum. And I had another lady coming within the hour.

This is like a job.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2807307]Oops.

I just had a lady leave who transmogrified into an insatatiable ***** after a couple of hours of drinking. The only escape for me was to cum, but I couldn't cum. So she kept begging for 5 minutes more of fucking.

I'm the customer, not the boyfriend, so it's not my job to make her cum. And I had another lady coming within the hour.

This is like a job.[/QUOTE]Every one wants a nymphomaniac until they find one. Had one in the late 90"s. She was a real 3-hole nympho, although her BJ skills were lacking. Wore me out. It was fun at first, but eventually got like work. She still contacts me every now and then and every couple of years I will get with her for the day.

Just returned after 2 weeks in Pattaya at the Vogue hotel. Decent value for what I paid and good location in Buckhao.

I am not a bar fine person and indeed go in very few bars, I prefer to find a girl when I am moving around shops, malls etc. I had a massage at one of the VIP massage salons and got the number of the girl. 5 ft petite hottie. I would get her to come to my hotel 10 am to noon before she went to work for 1000 baht. Sweetest tightest pussy and great body.

Grabbed another number from a girl in the gym and she called in a couple of days for 1000 baht 2 hour work out with me as well before she went to work.

Coming soon to the city and I have to try black girls!

I know that there is a spot of African girls in an open bar on the walking street.

There are more spots where I can find African girls, clubs?

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2807407]Every one wants a nymphomaniac until they find one. Had one in the late 90"s. She was a real 3-hole nympho, although her BJ skills were lacking. Wore me out. It was fun at first, but eventually got like work. She still contacts me every now and then and every couple of years I will get with her for the day.[/QUOTE]Yep, this one only wanted or did one thing: vaginal intercourse. No BJ, no touching, just fucking.

The next lady was different because I invested 2,000 baht in her a couple of months ago. I had my massage lady come with her for a drinking session, and once enough tequila had been consumed, there were lessons in prostate massage. So, now if I am tired or drunk or fucked out, this lady can work on me and afterwards climb on top for a quick fuck.

Afterwards, the lady cleaned my condo, washed my dishes, etc. Very nice.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2807301]At least you now know you were just another customer.

We aren't their Lover guys. We are Johns. Remember that and you will have a Great time.[/QUOTE]I've known that all the while, as has she known that she is a provider and I am a customer, though we are kind of friends too.

But as MrE pointed, just the fact she was asking likely means she has asked before from someone and had some success cases as well, and likely she does not only ask from me but bunch of others too.

But to ask for a leeching brother that she herself has scolded to me before, that was weird.

Coming to the city soon and I want to try this with an African girl.

I know there is a spot of many African girls in an open bar inside the walking street.

But there are other spots where I can find black girls? What club do most African girls go to?

[QUOTE=KingAmir;2807604]Coming to the city soon and I want to try this with an African girl.

I know there is a spot of many African girls in an open bar inside the walking street.

But there are other spots where I can find black girls? What club do most African girls go to?[/QUOTE]

Have you thought about going to Africa?

Me personally, I like Asian girls- which is why I come to Asia.

[QUOTE=KingAmir;2807604]Coming to the city soon and I want to try this with an African girl.

I know there is a spot of many African girls in an open bar inside the walking street.

But there are other spots where I can find black girls? What club do most African girls go to?[/QUOTE]There's an African owned Bar somewhere in Greater Pattaya. Google on YouTube passport bros, might pop up.

P.S. . last night Nana BTS. Hansum Caucasian middle ager was negotiating with a not so pretty African. Maybe a 1. 5 on the Richter Scale. God she was awful looking. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2807421]Just returned after 2 weeks in Pattaya at the Vogue hotel. Decent value for what I paid and good location in Buckhao.[/QUOTE]Can you say more about the place?

Quality of Wifi, do the staff always ask for guest's ID, are the room soundproof (Buakhao is very noisy), quality of the swimming pool?

If you answer, better to answer in the Pattaya Hotel thread.

Thanks.

Spent 10 days in Pattaya, stayed at LK Metropole on Soi Diana.

LK Metropole: Nice hotel in the middle of Soi LK Metro. I had a two room deluxe with separate living and bedroom; nice bathroom with both a tub and a walk-in shower, $52 US per night. It had a nice big balcony which could be accessed from either room with a nice city view from the 7th floor.

LK Metro: Probably the most bars per square foot other than Soi 6. Actually found the fo-gos to be full and with pretty attractive girls. Kink is as raunchy a go-go as there is in Pattaya. You can pretty much eat one of the girls on stage, if that's your thing. Billabong, one of my favorites over the years was a bit disappointing as far as the women.

Soi 6: Very busy during the night, not sure why some of the bars have so many girls, but hey. I find Soi 6 a bit too maddening as the girls will surround you and seek out drinks. Still, always a fun place to sit and people watch.

Soi Pothole: This Soi was out go to in September last year, but was disappointing this visit. The street has been recently paved, but it won't last long as new potholes are already forming. The quality of girls on this Soi is very lacking, at least was for me.

Tree Town: Only walked through a couple times. I find the are too bright for my liking. Only one night was it what I would call crowded. Many pass through, some bars were completely empty with only 5 or 6 girls working. Most of the girls are a bit dated and heavy here.

Soi Made in Thailand: Spent a couple nights on the Soi playing pool with the ladies. It's hit or miss with the ladies; some nice looking 30 something year olds.

Walking Street: Was a bit crowded with the usual gawkers. Hit 3 or 4 go-gos. As previously reported, they were all crowded for seating and had a great number of girls as well. Windmill was our favorite as you can get " hands-on" with the girls as they give you a lap dance and enjoy the drink you just bought them. The girls here aren't as hot as you'll find in Bacarra or Pin-ups; sleezy looking would best describe them.

Soi Diana: These open air bars used to be our favorite. They a marginal at best nowadays, but friendly bars to sit at before you move on.

Airport Transfer: We have been using "Nam's Taxi Service" for several years now; 1200 baht for round trip in a nice comfortable Toyota Camry with water provided. This is an all female run company with prompt transportation.

Pattaya seems crowded during Songkran, but the bars are often empty. Customers are out in the streets playing with water. The ladies are playing with water, too.

Bolt taxis are rare, as drivers are off in Isaan for the holiday. That means if I want to travel in Pattaya, baht buses are my only option. So, I arrive at my destination soaking wet.

My plan is to stay inside and just have ladies come to my condo. But many ladies are too busy with water fighting to think about business.

After Songkran, many ladies will be desperate for cash, so I will be busy.

[QUOTE=KingAmir;2807604]Coming to the city soon and I want to try this with an African girl.

I know there is a spot of many African girls in an open bar inside the walking street.

But there are other spots where I can find black girls? What club do most African girls go to?[/QUOTE]This is like other guys who ask about Russian girls in Pattaya; why go to a fish restaurant for steak?

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2808056]This is like other guys who ask about Russian girls in Pattaya; why go to a fish restaurant for steak?[/QUOTE]Because although at this fish restaurant there's a preponderance of seafood you do get the occasional steak.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2808056]This is like other guys who ask about Russian girls in Pattaya; why go to a fish restaurant for steak?[/QUOTE]Maybe they want some variety. Maybe they don't particularly want to visit Russia at the moment or anywhere in Africa and would prefer to find these girls in a safer country like Thailand.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2808013]Snip. Airport Transfer: We have been using "Nam's Taxi Service" for several years now; 1200 baht for round trip in a nice comfortable Toyota Camry with water provided. This is an all female run company with prompt transportation.[/QUOTE]1200 round trip? Isn't that the one-way fare?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2808272]1200 round trip? Isn't that the one-way fare?[/QUOTE]Yes, my bad!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2808272]1200 round trip? Isn't that the one-way fare?[/QUOTE]It's 1000-1200 one way. Not round trip.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2808328]It's 1000-1200 one way. Not round trip.[/QUOTE]900 bahts take it or leave it. YES this is a joke. Hahaha.

Stop ruining the market Gentlemen of Culture.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2808328]It's 1000-1200 one way. Not round trip.[/QUOTE]Yes, my bad!

I am having a string of ladies who claim they cum in 5 minutes and then move on to working on my dick. They aren't trying to rush me, since they are staying the night, and some do long blowjobs before fucking.

Maybe they just don't like attention to their pussy, maybe they don't feel anything there, I don't know.

One lady, however, just developing a craving for having her pussy licked a few months ago, and enjoy it for a long time, although she never cums.

So, I still can't figure out women.

Cherry taxis charge 1000 b from Bangkok airport to Pattaya and vice versa.

1300 b Pattaya to central Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2808328]It's 1000-1200 one way. Not round trip.[/QUOTE]How much is the Bus nowadays. ?

[QUOTE=Sammon;2808507]How much is the Bus nowadays.[/QUOTE]Leave Ekkamai-131 Baht if I recall.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2808507]How much is the Bus nowadays. ?[/QUOTE]A bus will set you back about 2 million baht.

Rimshot.

A bus ticket from Jomtien to the airport is 143 baht.

The ladies are complaining that the bars are empty. Who wants to walk into a bar soaking wet?

This might mean that the 20th and 21st will see crowded bars.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2808406]I am having a string of ladies who claim they cum in 5 minutes and then move on to working on my dick. They aren't trying to rush me, since they are staying the night, and some do long blowjobs before fucking.

Maybe they just don't like attention to their pussy, maybe they don't feel anything there, I don't know.

So, I still can't figure out women.[/QUOTE]My first wife was like that. She was one and done. After she had an orgasam she lost all feeling for several hours.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2808560]My first wife was like that. She was one and done. After she had an orgasam she lost all feeling for several hours.[/QUOTE]That is a trick that I dread bargirls will try: claim to finish and then say that can't play anymore. Never happened to me, fortunately.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2808507]How much is the Bus nowadays. ?[/QUOTE]143 baht from bkk airport.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2808541]The ladies are complaining that the bars are empty. Who wants to walk into a bar soaking wet?

This might mean that the 20th and 21st will see crowded bars.[/QUOTE]Aside from the Usually Busy places the Bars are always empty.

Inpre COVID years one week in May, usually first week I think, the Ippuns fly in like Locusts. It's golden week in Japan.

Ndtvi Bars were hopping the other day. Highly unusual I hear. His bars are No Customers allowed bar. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2808563]That is a trick that I dread bargirls will try: claim to finish and then say that can't play anymore. Never happened to me, fortunately.[/QUOTE]How many of us are actually Pleasuring them. The girls know that would be insulting to our EGO. Hence they can't say they Finished in good conscience. Hahaha.

I planned on taking a day off today, but kept getting messages from ladies with no customers. I finally gave up, and is coming to my condo soon for an overnighter.

I first barfined this year about 4 years ago. She didn't last long in Pattaya, and hooked with a Thai man in the village, quickly spitting out a baby, and just as quickly the Thai man bailed.

I posted about her 4 years ago, calling her a "ball ripper". She doesn't just suck balls, she nibbles on them.

Wish me luck.

I fired a lady tonight.

I wasn't planning to have a lady tonight, but this lady asked to come, complaining she didn't have any customers. So, I agreed.

She came late. That's always a bad sign.

And she had an attitude. Didn't want to drink. Of course, in the bar she downs tequila with the best of them.

So I sent her away. And crossed her off my list.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2808883]And she had an attitude. Didn't want to drink. Of course, in the bar she downs tequila with the best of them.
[/QUOTE]Were you paying her 50 baht for each tequila she drank? If not, you have your answer. I know several gogo girls who will never drink alcohol outside of work.

Maybe it's me but I prefer sober girls to drunk ones.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2808013]

Airport Transfer: We have been using "Nam's Taxi Service" for several years now; 1200 baht for round trip in a nice comfortable Toyota Camry with water provided. This is an all female run company with prompt transportation.[/QUOTE]So you pay 1200 baht and they will drive you from the airport to your hotel and remember to pick you up from your hotel to the airport on the day you leave?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2808942]Were you paying her 50 baht for each tequila she drank? If not, you have your answer. I know several gogo girls who will never drink alcohol outside of work.

Maybe it's me but I prefer sober girls to drunk ones.[/QUOTE]Not paying her by the drink.

She just had a bad attitude. Think of it like a lady you pay for Long Time, but who wants to leave after the first pop. That was the vibe I got.

I asked her to come to the condo to drink, and when she arrived, she said she didn't want to drink.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2809009]So you pay 1200 baht and they will drive you from the airport to your hotel and remember to pick you up from your hotel to the airport on the day you leave?[/QUOTE]I used Nam's back in September and it cost 1000 baht each way from BKK to my hotel in Pattaya. As long as you schedule a return trip with her, she will confirm by email and text the day before. I have used her service 4 times and have never had an issue.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2808942]Were you paying her 50 baht for each tequila she drank? If not, you have your answer. I know several gogo girls who will never drink alcohol outside of work.

Maybe it's me but I prefer sober girls to drunk ones.[/QUOTE]It's not you it's Him.

Anyone stay at Walking Street Guest House. Looking for 1 night tomorrow. My preferred Hotel is sold out.

Apparently it's on Walking Street.

$15 I can put up with a lot.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2809041]Anyone stay at Walking Street Guest House. Looking for 1 night tomorrow. My preferred Hotel is sold out.

Apparently it's on Walking Street.

$15 I can put up with a lot.[/QUOTE]Wrong thread but I stayed in the most expensive room facing Walking Street when it first opened in 2015. There was nothing wrong with the room except I had to manoeuvre around a few drunken lady boys and the girls up to my room some nights. Stayed for the experience or having a place right on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Fmojo;2809034]I used Nam's back in September and it cost 1000 baht each way from BKK to my hotel in Pattaya. As long as you schedule a return trip with her, she will confirm by email and text the day before. I have used her service 4 times and have never had an issue.[/QUOTE]Nam's is one of the best taxi services around and I have used them for many years. The 1,000 price is for a trip from the airport to your Pattaya hotel in a small car, larger cars cost extra, see the web site: [URL]https://www.namstaxiladydrivers.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2808780]How many of us are actually Pleasuring them. The girls know that would be insulting to our EGO. Hence they can't say they Finished in good conscience. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I use the term "claim to finish" as opposed to "finish".

The only lady I believe is the one who gets very dramatic, shakes and shivers and screams, but doesn't cum. The others who claim to cum in 10 minutes, not so much.

I don't mind working on a lady for a few minutes to loosen them up and get the juices flowing.

Getting back to the lady who shakes and shivers, for years she has told me she doesn't like to fuck. She will do it for money, but not for fun. But, about 3 months ago, she started responding to having her pussy licked. No idea why, she doesn't know.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2809074]Wrong thread but I stayed in the most expensive room facing Walking Street when it first opened in 2015. There was nothing wrong with the room except I had to manoeuvre around a few drunken lady boys and the girls up to my room some nights. Stayed for the experience or having a place right on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Haven't stayed there in years but it used to be great value, especially the best rooms. Perfect if you like staying out late at the walking street clubs. There's no lift though but not many floors.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2809135]Nam's is one of the best taxi services around and I have used them for many years. The 1,000 price is for a trip from the airport to your Pattaya hotel in a small car, larger cars cost extra, see the web site: [URL]https://www.namstaxiladydrivers.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I have never used Nam's.

Question 1. The 1,000 baht small car you are referring to. Do you remember the model? Was it a Toyota YARIS? (The picture in the website looks smaller than a Camry.).

Question 2. If the drivers are all ladies, are they able to lift your luggage and load it in the trunk? One time, I had a female driver and she said she could not lift my suitcase. So I had to load and unload it from the trunk. (Another transportation agency).

Question 3. After your flight landed at BKK airport and you went to where all the tour guides and drivers are gathered on Level 2, did you ever have to wait because the driver had not arrived yet?

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2809041]Anyone stay at Walking Street Guest House. Looking for 1 night tomorrow. My preferred Hotel is sold out.

Apparently it's on Walking Street.

$15 I can put up with a lot.[/QUOTE]There is a hotel on W. S. Across from Muse? Night club the outdoor bar or restaurant was called B52, the place White Rose might be able to fill your needs there are 1-2 others down the narrow Soi might fill the bill. The if you know where Bacarra or PinUP, there is a small walkway on the side I forget the name but at the end there is a small hotel I precovid I use it a few times when it rain so hard I couldn't get my bike so had to wait it out I paid 650 baht.

Good luck!

I had my best time at white rose 2 and one years at white rose 1 that was full of arbs.

It's the soy at P72 if still exist from Ws to Pattaya jomtien road.

Also a terrible hotel full of katoy many years ago what a savage times they block the soy a constant stream of perverts up and down the hotel stairs no elevator.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2809171]I have never used Nam's.

Question 1. The 1,000 baht small car you are referring to. Do you remember the model? Was it a Toyota YARIS? (The picture in the website looks smaller than a Camry.).

Question 2. If the drivers are all ladies, are they able to lift your luggage and load it in the trunk? One time, I had a female driver and she said she could not lift my suitcase. So I had to load and unload it from the trunk. (Another transportation agency).

Question 3. After your flight landed at BKK airport and you went to where all the tour guides and drivers are gathered on Level 2, did you ever have to wait because the driver had not arrived yet?[/QUOTE]I use a direct competitor to Nam's which is also all women. Their small cars are Camry's. I always pay more for the SUV (usually a nice Hilux). Worth 200 baht more when I'm exhausted after a long flight. Never had a driver been unable to lift a luggage into their trunk. I will assist them if they are on the smaller side but I'm sure one of their job requirements is to be able to lift a 20+ kg bag. Yes they wait in that congested pick up area (Gate D?). Never had a late driver. In fact, they are always very early which is great when you are leaving your hotel to the airport cause if you're ready to leave a bit early you know your taxi is waiting downstairs.

Funny story I have hopped into the wrong taxi after landing at Suvarnabhumi. I saw a sign with my first name on it. So tired I didn't think twice so I said I'm here. Was led out to a Hilux right outside the door. Got in the truck and the truck drove about 200 metres before she said going to Hilton? I said no. Oops, wrong taxi. I should have known better cause the company I use never has someone other than the driver walk with me to the taxi and they always have my first and last name on the sign.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2809171]I have never used Nam's.

Question 1. The 1,000 baht small car you are referring to. Do you remember the model? Was it a Toyota YARIS? (The picture in the website looks smaller than a Camry.).

Question 2. If the drivers are all ladies, are they able to lift your luggage and load it in the trunk? One time, I had a female driver and she said she could not lift my suitcase. So I had to load and unload it from the trunk. (Another transportation agency).

Question 3. After your flight landed at BKK airport and you went to where all the tour guides and drivers are gathered on Level 2, did you ever have to wait because the driver had not arrived yet?[/QUOTE]Have used Nam's exclusively since about 2017 - can't speak but highly of this company.

Always there before me at airport or hotel. Drivers courteous and drive safely. Previous company had some night drives over 120 kmph if that's your thing.

Pickup at survanaphon same level as baggage retrieval, exit #3 .
And for baggage size, my driver was able to unload my 23kg bag from her Camry.
Will be holding a sign with your full name.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2809273]Funny story I have hopped into the wrong taxi after landing at Suvarnabhumi. I saw a sign with my first name on it. So tired I didn't think twice so I said I'm here. Was led out to a Hilux right outside the door. Got in the truck and the truck drove about 200 metres before she said going to Hilton? I said no. Oops, wrong taxi. I should have known better cause the company I use never has someone other than the driver walk with me to the taxi and they always have my first and last name on the sign.[/QUOTE]My driver took a photo of me holding the name card to prove that he had collected the right person.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2809171]I have never used Nam's.

Question 1. The 1,000 baht small car you are referring to. Do you remember the model? Was it a Toyota YARIS? (The picture in the website looks smaller than a Camry.).

Question 2. If the drivers are all ladies, are they able to lift your luggage and load it in the trunk? One time, I had a female driver and she said she could not lift my suitcase. So I had to load and unload it from the trunk. (Another transportation agency).

Question 3. After your flight landed at BKK airport and you went to where all the tour guides and drivers are gathered on Level 2, did you ever have to wait because the driver had not arrived yet?[/QUOTE]Although I have always taken the Camry or SUV, the "small" should be a Corolla, ie less luxurious one. I happily spend the 1200/1400 for the better vehicle and tip to round to 1500.

They helped me with the luggage, but unless one is physically challenged or has rocks in the suitcase, why not doing it yourself?

Last time a sort of agency / hostess met me at gate 3 and kissed with the driver. Most likely Nams did a deal with one of those hotel / limo service ladies to take care of incoming customers. Smart, so the driver doesn't have to park the car and meet you. A lump daily retainer to the "agent" and all are happy.

The lady will escort you and your trolley to the curb and signal the arriving car.

I always set the meeting time for at least half an hour after landing, still communicating my flight number and origin. Never had to wait. Before boarding I reconfirm my flight is on time and even send a selfie so she can identify me from the colour of my shirt, LOL.

24 Hours prior to your flight they send a picture of the driver and front of the car / number plate plus cell number.

Very efficient service.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2809171]I have never used Nam's.

Question 1. The 1,000 baht small car you are referring to. Do you remember the model? Was it a Toyota YARIS? (The picture in the website looks smaller than a Camry.).

Question 2. If the drivers are all ladies, are they able to lift your luggage and load it in the trunk? One time, I had a female driver and she said she could not lift my suitcase. So I had to load and unload it from the trunk. (Another transportation agency).

Question 3. After your flight landed at BKK airport and you went to where all the tour guides and drivers are gathered on Level 2, did you ever have to wait because the driver had not arrived yet?[/QUOTE]1: Once it was a Yaris, there is no single model for each size as the drivers own their own cars. I have booked a small car and been picked up in an SUV, Camry or another type of smaller car.

2: Most will help but I prefer to do it myself.

3: Nam's girls are very reliable, they should be close to exit 3 waiting for you, usually they are there long before you get out of baggage claim. Sometimes you are met by another Nam's driver who will help you to meet your assigned driver, they do NOT use greeters, the girls are helping each other out. A day before you should get an email with the name of your driver, a picture of her and the car. Be warned that there are scammers who will pretend to be Nam's drivers and will steal your fare from Nam's so be sure to check.

Also when booking, it helps to tell Nam how many passengers and the number of suitcases as they will ask later.

As usual, my overnight lady slept until noon, and was ready for another round.

She barely left before my 2 pm lady arrived. After some drinks, she claimed that her Thai boyfriend hadn't fucked her in 2 years. They have a weird arrangement and don't live together and work different shifts. She works cashier, so not a lot of barfines.

Maybe that is true or not, but once she drinks, she wants to fuck for a long time. I was having trouble keeping it up, what with just having done another lady, and being drunk, so we needed to stop for a BJ every once in a while.

I actually got tired of fucking, so I faked an orgasm and ran to the shower. Afterwards I went out to the living room sofa and wanted for her to shower. Except she didn't, she came out and fucked me on the sofa.

This became a bit of nightmare for me, a lady who wouldn't stop.

Fortunately, she lost some steam herself and eased up.

I had a lady coming afterwards but luckily she canceled.

Today, I have a lady coming for 2 days, but she has a very low sex drive with me. So I get a bit of a break.

Do you enjoy that lifestyle? A bunch of drunk women everyday that you semi complain about.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2809640]As usual, my overnight lady slept until noon, and was ready for another round.

She barely left before my 2 pm lady arrived. After some drinks, she claimed that her Thai boyfriend hadn't fucked her in 2 years. They have a weird arrangement and don't live together and work different shifts. She works cashier, so not a lot of barfines.

Maybe that is true or not, but once she drinks, she wants to fuck for a long time. I was having trouble keeping it up, what with just having done another lady, and being drunk, so we needed to stop for a BJ every once in a while.

I actually got tired of fucking, so I faked an orgasm and ran to the shower. Afterwards I went out to the living room sofa and wanted for her to shower. Except she didn't, she came out and fucked me on the sofa.

This became a bit of nightmare for me, a lady who wouldn't stop.

Fortunately, she lost some steam herself and eased up.

I had a lady coming afterwards but luckily she canceled.

Today, I have a lady coming for 2 days, but she has a very low sex drive with me. So I get a bit of a break.[/QUOTE]

Couple of Musings.

Baccara. Has some soy 6 quality girls on Stage. They look so out of place.

Palace last night had some Attractive ones.

Sensations average age. 34?

Went to 4 places. Business looked Brisk.

$150 for a short time? Let the owners know it wouldn't hurt business to allow girls short time 45 minutes at 1,000 barfine. Girls make more money. Bars make more money. Customer Happy. Get it done.

Elon Musk is lowering Prices. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2809890]Do you enjoy that lifestyle? A bunch of drunk women everyday that you semi complain about.[/QUOTE]I complain because I am documenting the trips and traps of going with bargirls, ranging from ladies who don't want to put out, to ladies who can't get enough.

Plus the tricks they pull to get money for nothing.

My lifestyle includes ladies showing up at my condo for sex whenever I want. No girlfriend, no sending money to them for nothing.

What's not to like?

How has the talent been on soi 6? Haven't been there since last year.

[QUOTE=McDicker;2809930]How has the talent been on soi 6? Haven't been there since last year.[/QUOTE]Just watch YouTube. There are daily Soi 6 videos from every yahoo who thinks they know how to shoot videos. Most too shy to talk to any girls.

[QUOTE=McDicker;2809930]How has the talent been on soi 6? Haven't been there since last year.[/QUOTE]I saw a Wicked Hot girl on Thursday. Problem is she 4 foot not tall.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2809937]Just watch YouTube. There are daily Soi 6 videos from every yahoo who thinks they know how to shoot videos. Most too shy to talk to any girls.[/QUOTE]I agree. There's dozens of videos uploaded daily for Pattaya. It provides a snapshot of what to expect at the moment.

Terminal 21 and Central hours are 11 am-11 pm.

Should be 10 am- 10 pm.

Who shops at 10 pm to 11 pm?

Did I overpay. Hahaha.

My 1st experience turned out quite Good. Soy6.

Details. Girl said 1,500. I said Ok. I ask about room she say 350. Deal done.

I got 40 minutes and got to do what I wanted. Mind you I'm not Hard Core.

I tipped 200 to Boot.

Face way better than avg Soi 6 Girls. Body slim,. Has baby scars which is no way affected her Small but ok boobs.

I don't think I overpayed per SE because I'm not paying 3 fiddy for most on theSoi.

Think Bananas. I payed for a decent one. The bruised mushy ones I don't want at any price.

So No worries guys. I agree most if you need to partake 1,000 is fair price.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2809957]Who shops at 10 pm to 11 pm?[/QUOTE]Good point. Didn't even know malls open past 8 pm since we're all at bars by then.

I really dislike that the malls open so late at 11 am. I'm assuming cause all the girls who work in the mall aren't up until 10 am.

[QUOTE=McDicker;2809930]How has the talent been on soi 6? Haven't been there since last year.[/QUOTE]Went up there last week. Plenty of choice for all comers from slim and thick to creamy white skin or brown. I had two picked out and both said 300 room and 1200-1500 for them for an hour.

Dateline: Past few days.

The Walking Street agogo with the best eye Candy is neither Baccara or Pins Ups.

The undisputed Champion is Palace Agogo. It just is.

I swung through some bars around Soi Buakhow last night.

Even though Low Season has begun, there were a lot of people on the streets, nothing like prior years at this time (before Covid). Traffic is still horrible.

There are still empty bars, but that is the case in High Season, too, a reflexion of people rushing in to open bars in bad locations or not bothering to hire decent ladies.

Of course, I started with Maggie Mays, the classic hands on Gentlemens club. Although there are 20 ladies on staff, about half are with customers, ie absent from the bar. Still plenty for fun in the bar.

I stopped at Honey Lounge on Soi Honey. Similar to Maggie Mays, can have fun inside the bar. It was very busy last night.

Then I went to TreeTown, first going to Buddy Bar, an open bar, where a lady had asked me to buy her a drink. Too hot for an open bar last night.

I went to the Escape Gogo. Every dancer was topless, except for 2 totally nude dancers. Could be fun.

Then Buzzin Bar, next to Escape. Another open bar, a bad idea in this weather.

Last stop: Club Fate, off Soi Boomerang. It has some talent, but at that point, I was kind of drunk, and didn't see much.

Tonight, I am supposed to go to Ban Chang.

One of the oddities of living in Pattaya:

I have a Thai lady staying with me for two days. She sleeps late every morning, so I putter around my condo. Yesterday, I installed a solar panel on my balcony, and posted a photo on Facebook.

This morning, the Thai husband of the lady "liked" my Facebook post.

Why was he checking my Facebook? He knows she is sleeping here, so he's not worried about that in the way you might think. He's checking to make sure I am in Pattaya. He's worried that she might claim she's with me, but instead be staying with a Thai man. So he is waiting for the day when his wife says she is with me, but I post that I am traveling outside Pattaya.

Why is he okay that his wife stays with me? Two words: "customer before".

I get a lot of that. Apparently, many Thai men in Pattaya can't argue when their wife goes with a customer who the wife knew before she met the husband.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2809910]Couple of Musings.

Baccara. Has some soy 6 quality girls on Stage. They look so out of place.

Palace last night had some Attractive ones.

Sensations average age. 34?

Went to 4 places. Business looked Brisk.

$150 for a short time? Let the owners know it wouldn't hurt business to allow girls short time 45 minutes at 1,000 barfine. Girls make more money. Bars make more money. Customer Happy. Get it done.

Elon Musk is lowering Prices. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Did barfine prices calm down yet? I was in pattaya during songkran and was quoted 2500 barfine and 4000 short time at XS. Fahrenheit mamasan quoted me a 2 k barfine. Wtf.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2810179]I swung through some bars around Soi Buakhow last night.

Even though Low Season has begun, there were a lot of people on the streets, nothing like prior years at this time (before Covid). Traffic is still horrible.

There are still empty bars, but that is the case in High Season, too, a reflexion of people rushing in to open bars in bad locations or not bothering to hire decent ladies.

Of course, I started with Maggie Mays, the classic hands on Gentlemens club. Although there are 20 ladies on staff, about half are with customers, ie absent from the bar. Still plenty for fun in the bar.

I stopped at Honey Lounge on Soi Honey. Similar to Maggie Mays, can have fun inside the bar. It was very busy last night.

Then I went to TreeTown, first going to Buddy Bar, an open bar, where a lady had asked me to buy her a drink. Too hot for an open bar last night.

I went to the Escape Gogo. Every dancer was topless, except for 2 totally nude dancers. Could be fun.

Then Buzzin Bar, next to Escape. Another open bar, a bad idea in this weather..[/QUOTE]Buzzin Bar.

Sunday night at 815 pm. Not a seat Available. Someone point out it was all Happy Hour cheap Charlie s. None the less they have Sales. Hahaha. Many Bars wonder what a sale is.

[QUOTE=BenBirdwell;2810257]Did barfine prices calm down yet? I was in pattaya during songkran and was quoted 2500 barfine and 4000 short time at XS. Fahrenheit mamasan quoted me a 2 k barfine. Wtf.[/QUOTE]Fahrenheit. To Hot too Handle or Not?

So many Flat Chested girls. WOW.

55 baht Happy Hour is Real Price.

I'd go just to waste 30 minutes. Price of drink does add value.

Palace Agogo. One of the most attractive Girls I've ever seen in a House of Prostitution. I give her a plus for having Tittie's that are Real. She a Coyote so hard to tell.

Her face about as Good as it Gets. Not thin or fat. Body good.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2810324]Buzzin Bar.

Sunday night at 815 pm. Not a seat Available. Someone point out it was all Happy Hour cheap Charlie s. None the less they have Sales. Hahaha. Many Bars wonder what a sale is.[/QUOTE]Completely forgot about this place. Bigger question is were there finally some girls working there?

How is Annie Jack's these days?

I traveled to Ban Chang last night.

I hit 4 or 5 bars. All had a few ladies, one customer total. Very quiet.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2809957]Terminal 21 and Central hours are 11 am-11 pm.

Should be 10 am- 10 pm.

Who shops at 10 pm to 11 pm?[/QUOTE]There's a whole world of people that has a normal life, LOL.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2810543]There's a whole world of people that has a normal life, LOL.[/QUOTE]Being Thailand T-21, you got the movie theater, on the same level there are lots of restaurants large and small, then you got foodland on the ground floor.

I was there last night even after Songkran the traffic was stop and go up Pattaya Nua the front entrance top of 2nd road there were close to ten large buses parked.

Terminal 21 is busy past 9 pm?. Lunch Time it's deserted. Prime time dinner time not much better.

If you guys say it's busy past 9 pm. So be it. They still should open at 10 at m.

No reason to go to Slutz.

I made my way up to 2nd floor Kink. I was hoping for hot naked girls. Hahaha. The usual suspects. 4th and 5th tier girls.

Las Vegas is a GO. Just to see number 510. What a Body. Face Very ok.

27 gig and 8 Priew. Desire Livestream. Sizzle mc drizzles.

But FON is the Star. Saw her in the ground floor Desire Bar. 5 at best.

Always exception s to every rule.

Anyone know where Livestream takes place? Off Soi 6. I want to see Priew and Gig Live.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2810493]I traveled to Ban Chang last night.[/QUOTE]Names of bars visited? Prices for girls?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2810493]I traveled to Ban Chang last night.

I hit 4 or 5 bars. All had a few ladies, one customer total. Very quiet.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Treetown. Haha.

Sans Buzzin Bar at Happy Hour.

People eat at Treetown but don't Patronize the Beer Bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2810790]Names of bars visited? Prices for girls?[/QUOTE]I went to the Blue Sky bar, Blue Ice bar, NASA bar. Didn't barfine anyone, but ST is normally 1,000+ baht in Ban Chang.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2810725]27 gig and 8 Priew. Desire Livestream. Sizzle mc drizzles.

But FON is the Star. Saw her in the ground floor Desire Bar. 5 at best.

Always exception s to every rule.

Anyone know where Livestream takes place? Off Soi 6. I want to see Priew and Gig Live.[/QUOTE]The Desire live stream "studio" is upstairs at Desire. Go to Desire and tell the cashier behind the counter that you want to buy drinks for Priew and Gig.

They will come down if they are working that day.

Went to honey2 around 5 or 6 pm today.

I pick the cheapest menu, 2700 thb, choose the decent ones, the busty with familiar face.

I was promised, 90 minutes massage with kiss and bomboom.

There it is, I paid. The girl was bubbly and fun, but I was rejected for DFK. I get a peck instead.

And so we bathe together and nuru. She slides around me quickly, I felt rushed.

Then I shower, she shower.

I'm asking for massage first, since it's a massage parlor. Later after bomboom she said.

CBJ, nipple licking, then she goes on top. Grinding like crazy.

She stops few times to ask if I cum. Then I go for missionary, then doggy.

After awhile, she gave me a warning if I don't cum in 5 minutes she'll give me hand job instead.

I felt dejected, there's no point continuing it. Opted in handjob instead. I cum not long after.

We hugged, and get half assed massage she promised.

Then we showers, dressed up, hugs, fondle a bit, and dressed up. Tip her with the change, 300 thb.

Does massage parlors always like this? Rushing things.

The only other MP I went is just tulip. It was okay not rushing it.

I plan go to Dokidoki for 2 girls later on.

If it's like this, I'd rather get 2 freelancers instead.

Haven't gone to soy 6 though.

Was going to XS Agogo but accidentally walked into VVor something right next door. I was wondering why girls are fat and kind of Ugly. Like all of them.

Then I realized as I went outside what happened. I was thinking about the Stock Market.

Thank to the Desire Reply. Nana the Host said exactly the same thing, they will go down for a Meet and Greet, like Rockstars. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2810866]Sounds like Treetown. Haha.

Sans Buzzin Bar at Happy Hour.

People eat at Treetown but don't Patronize the Beer Bars.[/QUOTE]There are loads of customers at Treetown, the problem is there are way too many bars. So, the marginal bars struggle until the bar owner finds a greater fool.

[QUOTE=Clone01;2811055]I was promised, 90 minutes massage with kiss and bomboom. There it is, I paid. The girl was bubbly and fun, but I was rejected for DFK. I get a peck instead. And so we bathe together and nuru. She slides around me quickly, I felt rushed. She stops few times to ask if I cum. After awhile, she gave me a warning if I don't cum in 5 minutes she'll give me hand job instead.

I felt dejected, there's no point continuing it. Opted in handjob instead. I cum not long after. We hugged, and get half assed massage she promised. Then we showers, dressed up, hugs, fondle a bit, and dressed up. Tip her with the change, 300 thb.

Does massage parlors always like this? Rushing things.[/QUOTE]I guess it will be like that as long as people keep giving 300 baht tips for service they are not happy with.

[QUOTE=Clone01;2811055]Went to honey2 around 5 or 6 pm today.

I pick the cheapest menu, 2700 thb, choose the decent ones, the busty with familiar face.

I was promised, 90 minutes massage with kiss and bomboom.

There it is, I paid. The girl was bubbly and fun, but I was rejected for DFK. I get a peck instead.

And so we bathe together and nuru. She slides around me quickly, I felt rushed.

Then I shower, she shower.

I'm asking for massage first, since it's a massage parlor. Later after bomboom she said.

CBJ, nipple licking, then she goes on top. Grinding like crazy..[/QUOTE]You're going to be a good meat for soi6 girls, take loads of cash with you.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2811110]You're going to be a good meat for soi6 girls, take loads of cash with you.[/QUOTE]Typical tourist.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2811108]I guess it will be like that as long as people keep giving 300 baht tips for service they are not happy with.[/QUOTE]When a girl with crap service asks me for a tip I say "Here's your tip. Be better next time".

[QUOTE=Clone01;2811055]Went to honey2 around 5 or 6 pm today.[/QUOTE]Honestly sounds like you got a girl who just gave you bad service. I went to Honey2 twice and both times were fantastic.

Meeting Priew in real life. I'm not going to ask her to come down for a meet and greet. She might be expecting an Arabian Prince to sweep her off her FEET. Secret admirers rarely deliver.

I will just buy her online drinks. She so sweet. AND FREAKING HOT. Could be Hotter if Titties still growing.

[QUOTE=Clone01;2811055]Went to honey2 around 5 or 6 pm today.

I pick the cheapest menu, 2700 thb, choose the decent ones, the busty with familiar face.

I was promised, 90 minutes massage with kiss and bomboom.

There it is, I paid. The girl was bubbly and fun, but I was rejected for DFK. I get a peck instead.

And so we bathe together and nuru. She slides around me quickly, I felt rushed.

Then I shower, she shower.

I'm asking for massage first, since it's a massage parlor. Later after bomboom she said.

CBJ, nipple licking, then she goes on top. Grinding like crazy.

She stops few times to ask if I cum. Then I go for missionary, then doggy.

After awhile, she gave me a warning if I don't cum in 5 minutes she'll give me hand job instead.

I felt dejected, there's no point continuing it. Opted in handjob instead. I cum not long after.

We hugged, and get half assed massage she promised.

Then we showers, dressed up, hugs, fondle a bit, and dressed up. Tip her with the change, 300 thb.

Does massage parlors always like this? Rushing things.

The only other MP I went is just tulip. It was okay not rushing it.

I plan go to Dokidoki for 2 girls later on.

If it's like this, I'd rather get 2 freelancers instead.

Haven't gone to soy 6 though.[/QUOTE]Maybe she did not like you or your nationality for some reason.

Also, did you tip her voluntarily or only because she asked for it?

Soi Honey has changed considerably over the past three years, with the changes really accelerating since last year. Starting at Second Road and ending at Soi Buakhow, it used to be lined almost exclusively with massage shops, with just the occasional beer bar or hotel thrown into the mix. Although there are still a considerable number of massage shops on the soi, many of these shops have been converted, for economic reasons, to bars (primarily due to rising rents, I have been told). Visiting Pattaya, as I do most weekends, I've made it my mission to explore these newer bars.

Lips Lounge is one of these relatively new places, having just opened in February. In walking past, I would not have given it a second thought or a second glance were I not in possession of one key fact: Ricky. Yes, that Ricky from LK Metro, the one who managed to turn a small go-go called Pandora's into a veritable institution (a label that, unfortunately, no longer applies since its ownership change last year). Ricky's latest venture is Lips Lounge, which seems to be a GC / go-go hybrid (for lack of a better term). It opens at 1 pm as a closed bar / GC and at 7 pm switches into a go-go (during Songkran, it was closed during the day and opened only as a go-go at 7 pm, likely due to staffing issues).

Arriving at about 7:30 pm I was the only customer in the place, and there were about 5-6 girls, one Mamasan, one cashier, and one server. Not much happening on stage yet but I figured Ricky's business model would have me covered regardless so I just grabbed a seat and ordered a drink. After sipping my beer for a while and chatting with Mamasan, I developed my short list and then called over the two finalists to join me for a drink. Drink prices were quite standard for a club of this nature (I think 80 THB for a beer and 150 THB for a lady drink). I enjoyed the usual banter with my two new friends and, when it came time to order another drink, made my final selection and sent one of the girls packing. Game on.

My finalist was all too happy with my hands-on approach and her clothes gradually came off. After rubbing my crotch she began to unzip my shorts. Having visited Pandora's back when it was decent andafter my initial shock wore offpartaken in such activities there, I was up for it: the in-the-bar / go-go fully exposed BJ. No need for privacy curtains, and certainly no "room" is required. Just a nice blowie right there in the back row, exposed for everybody in the bar to see. The Mamasan and cashier started hooting and hollering, while the (quite young) waitress smirked as she served us yet another drink while I was being serviced. Overall, there's as much in-the-bar groping / shenanigans as well-known clubs like Windmill or Kink, but Lips Lounge's girls will actively service you right there in the bar (rather than just the other way around).

So, a very enjoyable experience overall but remember that this place is not for the faint of heart, the shy / reserved types, or looky-loo vacationers checking out Thailand's go-go scene with their spouses. This is hardcore raunch for guys who enjoy mongering with a bit of sleaze thrown in. (In my case, this type of thing was an "acquired taste" after a few trips to Pandora's in which it seemed all the other guys were enjoying themselves even more than I was. I was drinking and having fun with two big-titted MILFs when all of a sudden they got tired of waiting for me to ask and just kind of "got down to business". Their straightforward approach definitely helped me overcome any residual reservations. After that, I was hooked!

So, if you previously enjoyed Pandora's, or you're just curious and think you might like to try the house specialty, then I urge you to visit Lips Lounge on Soi Honey. Best to wear looser-fitting pants / shorts that slide off and on easily 😉.

Tldr: lots of newer bars on Soi Honey and former Pandora's go-go owner has opened a new place there with the same "hands-on" philosophy; drinks prices quite reasonable; quality of staff: good, but not outstanding (more like Soi 6 quality); atmosphere quite fun, which made the value for money decent overall. Will definitely repeat.

If you give a bargirl your social media contact info, sooner or later, she may ask for free money (or a loan, same same). Always say "sorry, no can do".

They have a lot of angles. The most common is: "can you lend me money, I don't have food for my baby". There may or may not be a baby. If you respond "you can come see me now for Short time 1000 baht", you will not see her soon.

One lady in Isaan hit me up this way" "I want to come to work in Pattaya, but a room cost 5,000 baht". Obviously, she wanted 5,000 baht free money. So I told her about a bar that had PR jobs for ladies and gave them a free room with aircon. Do you think she wanted that? All she wanted was 5,000 baht free money.

Don't be a sucker, never give a bargirl free money.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2806145]Which city in Thailand has the cheapest young pussy? Planning a trip to SEA with only a week to spare in Thailand. Should I go to Pattaya or Bangkok? Or a lesser known city?[/QUOTE]

They don't tend to go to Pattaya or Bangkok, as most often they go with or follow friends / family / sisters from the village to the quiter places.

Phuket, outside Patong, think Kamala and Rawai get lots of younger ones too, but I have found the prices were consistently lower in Hua Hin.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2811332]Lips Lounge is one of these relatively new places, having just opened in February.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, I was thinking about going and have a look at the slim and tall girl with short hairs.

Now that I know it's open space, I think I'm going to skip the place.

[QUOTE=Clone01;2811055]Went to honey2 around 5 or 6 pm today.

I pick the cheapest menu, 2700 thb, choose the decent ones, the busty with familiar face.

I was promised, 90 minutes massage with kiss and bomboom.

There it is, I paid. The girl was bubbly and fun, but I was rejected for DFK. I get a peck instead.

And so we bathe together and nuru. She slides around me quickly, I felt rushed.

Then I shower, she shower.

I'm asking for massage first, since it's a massage parlor. Later after bomboom she said.

CBJ, nipple licking, then she goes on top. Grinding like crazy.

She stops few times to ask if I cum. Then I go for missionary, then doggy.

After awhile, she gave me a warning if I don't cum in 5 minutes she'll give me hand job instead.

I felt dejected, there's no point continuing it. Opted in handjob instead. I cum not long after.

We hugged, and get half assed massage she promised.

Then we showers, dressed up, hugs, fondle a bit, and dressed up. Tip her with the change, 300 thb.

Does massage parlors always like this? Rushing things.

The only other MP I went is just tulip. It was okay not rushing it.

I plan go to Dokidoki for 2 girls later on.

If it's like this, I'd rather get 2 freelancers instead.

Haven't gone to soy 6 though.[/QUOTE]It seems like you are inexperienced. You don't want to kiss girls in those kind of places. The girl probably give 5 guys a blow job before you tried to kiss her. Also honey is one of the worst places in pattaya for value. I'm not a fan of soi 6 either but at least it's cheaper than honey.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2811424]It seems like you are inexperienced. You don't want to kiss girls in those kind of places. The girl probably give 5 guys a blow job before you tried to kiss her. Also honey is one of the worst places in pattaya for value. I'm not a fan of soi 6 either but at least it's cheaper than honey.[/QUOTE]How is it different from FKK, where popular girls would have 5-8 guys per day and you still want DFK? LOL.

Anyway most people want kissing imo, only few don't want it. Most want GFE which tends to translate into DFK.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2811426]Anyway most people want kissing imo, only few don't want it. Most want GFE which tends to translate into DFK.[/QUOTE]I would say most Westerners probably want kissing, but this does not necessarily mean most people. To me GFE has nothing to do with kissing. If GFE translated into kissing then we would not need both terms. To me GFE is more of being able to relax with a chick and her staying over and her playing in your hair and shit like that. I have many normal girlfriends and do not even DFK them like that.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2811362]One lady in Isaan hit me up this way" "I want to come to work in Pattaya, but a room cost 5,000 baht". Obviously, she wanted 5,000 baht free money. So I told her about a bar that had PR jobs for ladies and gave them a free room with aircon. Do you think she wanted that? All she wanted was 5,000 baht free money.[/QUOTE]Not so obvious. You could have just as well gone to the apartment and paid the 5000 baht for her when she arrived. All these years and I have still never had hookers asking me to borrow or give them money outside of services.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2811269]Meeting Priew in real life. I'm not going to ask her to come down for a meet and greet. She might be expecting an Arabian Prince to sweep her off her FEET. Secret admirers rarely deliver.

I will just buy her online drinks. She so sweet. AND FREAKING HOT. Could be Hotter if Titties still growing.[/QUOTE]A girl's breasts are typically fully developed by age 17 or 18, however in some cases they can continue to grow into her early twenties.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2811490]A girl's breasts are typically fully developed by age 17 or 18, however in some cases they can continue to grow into her early twenties.[/QUOTE]I have known women who went from a Bee to a Cee after they had a baby and without getting too pudgy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2811487]Not so obvious. You could have just as well gone to the apartment and paid the 5000 baht for her when she arrived. All these years and I have still never had hookers asking me to borrow or give them money outside of services.[/QUOTE]Nope.

This lady has about 5,000 Facebook friends, mostly Western males. She makes her living sending messages begging for money. Occasionally, she will post photos of gold she buys on Facebook. And her Thai boyfriend.

So, somebody is sending her money. If not, she would be working in Pattaya.

Not only do bargirls hit up customers for money, they hit each other up. It is not uncommon for a bargirl to borrow money from everyone, and then go home to Isaan with that money.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2811362]If you give a bargirl your social media contact info, sooner or later, she may ask for free money (or a loan, same same). Always say "sorry, no can do".

They have a lot of angles. The most common is: "can you lend me money, I don't have food for my baby". There may or may not be a baby. If you respond "you can come see me now for Short time 1000 baht", you will not see her soon.

One lady in Isaan hit me up this way" "I want to come to work in Pattaya, but a room cost 5,000 baht". Obviously, she wanted 5,000 baht free money. So I told her about a bar that had PR jobs for ladies and gave them a free room with aircon. Do you think she wanted that? All she wanted was 5,000 baht free money.

Don't be a sucker, never give a bargirl free money.[/QUOTE]You are such a meanie.

On a Bar Crawl consisting of 2 bars. Palace and Sharks. Two new Hotties I seen. In my book Dilly cones is auto no-go zone. Might have the greatest face I just not there Yet.

Palace girl could be the Girl Next door type Banana Boi would go for. He has standards I get from his inquisitions.

P.S. Another thing that doesn't float my boat is Dark Thais.

2 PS. Anyone notice there are quite a few Hotties working as Hello Girls. Hot enough than they turn Heads.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2811332]Soi Honey has changed considerably over the past three years, with the changes really accelerating since last year. Starting at Second Road and ending at Soi Buakhow, it used to be lined almost exclusively with massage shops, with just the occasional beer bar or hotel thrown into the mix. Although there are still a considerable number of massage shops on the soi, many of these shops have been converted, for economic reasons, to bars (primarily due to rising rents, I have been told). Visiting Pattaya, as I do most weekends, I've made it my mission to explore these newer bars.

Lips Lounge is one of these relatively new places, having just opened in February. In walking past, I would not have given it a second thought or a second glance were I not in possession of one key fact: Ricky. Yes, that Ricky from LK Metro, the one who managed to turn a small go-go called Pandora's into a veritable institution (a label that, unfortunately, no longer applies since its ownership change last year). Ricky's latest venture is Lips Lounge, which seems to be a GC / go-go hybrid (for lack of a better term). It opens at 1 pm as a closed bar / GC and at 7 pm switches into a go-go (during Songkran, it was closed during the day and opened only as a go-go at 7 pm, likely due to staffing issues).

Arriving at about 7:30 pm I was the only customer in the place, and there were about 5-6 girls, one Mamasan, one cashier, and one server. Not much happening on stage yet but I figured Ricky's business model would have me covered regardless so I just grabbed a seat and ordered a drink. After sipping my beer for a while and chatting with Mamasan, I developed my short list and then called over the two finalists to join me for a drink. Drink prices were quite standard for a club of this nature (I think 80 THB for a beer and 150 THB for a lady drink). I enjoyed the usual banter with my two new friends and, when it came time to order another drink, made my final selection and sent one of the girls packing. Game on.

My finalist was all too happy with my hands-on approach and her clothes gradually came off. After rubbing my crotch she began to unzip my shorts. Having visited Pandora's back when it was decent andafter my initial shock wore offpartaken in such activities there, I was up for it: the in-the-bar / go-go fully exposed BJ. No need for privacy curtains, and certainly no "room" is required. Just a nice blowie right there in the back row, exposed for everybody in the bar to see. The Mamasan and cashier started hooting and hollering, while the (quite young) waitress smirked as she served us yet another drink while I was being serviced. Overall, there's as much in-the-bar groping / shenanigans as well-known clubs like Windmill or Kink, but Lips Lounge's girls will actively service you right there in the bar (rather than just the other way around).

So, a very enjoyable experience overall but remember that this place is not for the faint of heart, the shy / reserved types, or looky-loo vacationers checking out Thailand's go-go scene with their spouses. This is hardcore raunch for guys who enjoy mongering with a bit of sleaze thrown in. (In my case, this type of thing was an "acquired taste" after a few trips to Pandora's in which it seemed all the other guys were enjoying themselves even more than I was. I was drinking and having fun with two big-titted MILFs when all of a sudden they got tired of waiting for me to ask and just kind of "got down to business". Their straightforward approach definitely helped me overcome any residual reservations. After that, I was hooked!

So, if you previously enjoyed Pandora's, or you're just curious and think you might like to try the house specialty, then I urge you to visit Lips Lounge on Soi Honey. Best to wear looser-fitting pants / shorts that slide off and on easily 😉.

Tldr: lots of newer bars on Soi Honey and former Pandora's go-go owner has opened a new place there with the same "hands-on" philosophy; drinks prices quite reasonable; quality of staff: good, but not outstanding (more like Soi 6 quality); atmosphere quite fun, which made the value for money decent overall. Will definitely repeat.[/QUOTE]So now give us a ball park as to what girls were asking?
It remains to be seen, Soi Buakhao, club Hot and Cold, inside Treetown Escape opened as the same concept then changed quickly.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2811633]So now give us a ball park as to what girls were asking?[/QUOTE]My guess 800-1,000 baht. If you play Hardball I bet 600 bahts would seal the deal.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2811633]So now give us a ball park as to what girls were asking?
It remains to be seen, Soi Buakhao, club Hot and Cold, inside Treetown Escape opened as the same concept then changed quickly.[/QUOTE]Sorry, my bad for not including prices.

Was initially quoted 800 THB for downstairs in-the-bar BJ but countered with 500 THB (which was the previous going rate at Pandora's). Ended up paying a little more because I tipped her for good service and a good, fun time. At one point she asked me if I wanted FS upstairs in one of their rooms for 1,500 THB but I declined. If you do decide to go the FS route then try to negotiate, as my sense is they'll settle for 1,000 THB or slightly higher (standard Soi 6 price for what I would characterize as standard Soi 6 girls).

Thanks for the insight you guys.

Finally went to soi6 yesterday around 6 pm, got a flat chested tall lady for 1000 thb.

I was asking for 2 ladies, but I didn't expect the 400 thb room cost to be doubled.

So I went for one. It was great.

We DFK, BBBJ, we went with missionary, doggy, 69 even fingering.

Tipped her 120 thb.

Then I went around midnight, I was stopped with cute short hair lady, I asked for st.

She went for 1500 thb, I haggled for 1000 thb with tips, but she persisted.

I picked for second lady, both are fine with each other. After I paid for the double cost room we went upstairs.

It was better than expected, I was so busy doing everything.

I tipped them 100 thb each.

There goes my Pattaya experience.

Would definitely coming here again 10/10.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2811715]Sorry, my bad for not including prices.

Was initially quoted 800 THB for downstairs in-the-bar BJ but countered with 500 THB (which was the previous going rate at Pandora's). Ended up paying a little more because I tipped her for good service and a good, fun time. At one point she asked me if I wanted FS upstairs in one of their rooms for 1,500 THB but I declined. If you do decide to go the FS route then try to negotiate, as my sense is they'll settle for 1,000 THB or slightly higher (standard Soi 6 price for what I would characterize as standard Soi 6 girls).[/QUOTE]Thanks, I walked by middle of Feb when it first opened I think it was the old Harry's place there were like 5 girls or ladies older nothing stood out give it another take.

How much does Sexy Bar Big Girls make on their Livestream.

Weird but they show every sale online. Last night I counted $500.

Let's give the girls 20% commission on a $5 drink.

So $100 in total spread among 7 or 8 girls= not so much. Remember the popular ones get a bigger share. You know the drill.

Hardly a moneymaker.

So I been plunking myself down on a few stools in Soi 6 to get a close up of the girls. Get within a few feet of them and their ratings drop1- 2 points. Hahaha. Even the ones that look good from far away.

Like I said 22 times there's darn good reason they don't cost mucho Dinero.

Had a great 1 hour session Wednesday with a very cute Soi 6 girl for 1300 baht (300 for the room and 1000 for her). She started with 1500 baht for her but I told her that was the tourist price, the regular price was 1000 baht, which she accepted after some hesitation. Went by Thursday at 6 PM and she was at the bar and waved to me, however, I did not session with her again as it was too soon and wanted to find a new girl as I assumed she would still be be there next time I went there (a stupid decision in retrospect) .

At 9 PM I walked into XS gogo in Walking Street and as soon as I sat down, she came over to sit with me. To say the least, I was surprised to see her. I asked her why she was there when I saw her in Soi 6 earlier and she said that she had quit the Soi 6 bar and just started at XS. Guess she found out that she was working in the wrong venue. Asked her what her salary at XS was and she said 1200 baht but she had to get 5 lady drinks to get the full salary or her salary would be cut for each drink she was short of 5 drinks. Said barfine was 1500 baht. Didn't barfine her since I wasn't going to pay more than triple what I paid the day before (assuming the standard 3000 baht gogo girl short-time rate).

She was cuter than most of the other XS girls so you can find some good-looking girls in Soi 6 if you look hard enough.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2811861]Had a great 1 hour session Wednesday with a very cute Soi 6 girl for 1300 baht (300 for the room and 1000 for her). She started with 1500 baht for her but I told her that was the tourist price, the regular price was 1000 baht, which she accepted after some hesitation. Went by Thursday at 6 PM and she was at the bar and waved to me, however, I did not session with her again as it was too soon and wanted to find a new girl as I assumed she would still be be there next time I went there (a stupid decision in retrospect) .

At 9 PM I walked into XS gogo in Walking Street and as soon as I sat down, she came over to sit with me. To say the least, I was surprised to see her. I asked her why she was there when I saw her in Soi 6 earlier and she said that she had quit the Soi 6 bar and just started at XS. Guess she found out that she was working in the wrong venue. Asked her what her salary at XS was and she said 1200 baht but she had to get 5 lady drinks to get the full salary or her salary would be cut for each drink she was short of 5 drinks. Said barfine was 1500 baht. Didn't barfine her since I wasn't going to pay more than triple what I paid the day before (assuming the standard 3000 baht gogo girl short-time rate).

She was cuter than most of the other XS girls so you can find some good-looking girls in Soi 6 if you look hard enough.[/QUOTE]This rundown of WS agogo payment method actually makes sense. If the girl don't get one drink to cover anything she probably get nada, zilch, etc. There is no way in San Josea businessman is going to pay a girl for doing nothing.

From my observation a lot of girls leave empty handed. No offense.

SOI6 . Very true you can't Blink or she GONE. LOL. Was looking to meet a Cutie, stood out among her Ugly mates. Hahaha. Before I could get my drink she snagged 2 guys off the street just like that.

Morning at Burger King. An old Asian and what looks like his granddaughter had some breakfast. She was HOT. I'm thinking was she really a RELATIVE.

Anyone know the pricing at Sharks. 2 girls look really decent.

Pro tip: at the end of the month, some ladies have to pay rent for the next month. Of course, they haven't saved any money, so its a good time to negotiate harder with them before going to the room.

This girl's daily salary is 1,300 baht. She worked 20 days and needed to get 100 drinks during the 20 days. (Dec. 21 through Jan. 09).

A very lazy and unreliable girl.

Comes late often and she didn't come to work on Jan. 4, 8, and 9. So she had to pay her own barfine of 1,500 Baht for those days.

It's possible she went to a customer on those days and the guy gave her the barfine money as well.

But considering that she is lazy, I'm thinking, for the last two days, she said fuck it and just stayed home or went partying.

In the end, she got paid 33,380 Baht for the 20 days. That does not include the money she received directly from the customers after barfine.

So it makes little difference to her. (Paying her own barfine for the last two days).

This girl's daily salary is also 1,300 Baht. But her drinks quota is higher at 120 drinks for 20 days. (Dec. 21 through Jan. 09).

A total professional. She is never late and never absent. Probably does only drinks because she is never barfined.

She received 35,400 Baht for the 20 days.

[QUOTE=Clone01;2811764]Thanks for the insight you guys.

Finally went to soi6 yesterday around 6 pm, got a flat chested tall lady for 1000 thb.

I was asking for 2 ladies, but I didn't expect the 400 thb room cost to be doubled.


There goes my Pattaya experience.

Would definitely coming here again 10/10.[/QUOTE]Most likely the 2 x400 is the bar fine and the room comes for free. 400 is slightly high for an in-house room, but more appropriate for a bar fine.

What bar was it?

This girl is a model. So her daily salary is higher at 1,600 Baht. She worked 26 days and needed to get 156 drinks for the duration. (Oct. 14 through Nov. 08).

On Nov. 4th, she received an advance salary of 3,000 Baht in order to buy medicine for her sick buffalo back home.

She is also an unreliable girl because she is often late for work. (Fined 1,060 Baht for lateness).

I do not think that she was barfined on Nov. 8th. I believe she paid her own barfine of 2,000 baht and went home to rest.

She received zero drinks that day. (Her last day of contract).

She received 43,460 Baht after working 26 days.

Then she took 5 days off and came back to work on Nov. 14th to rejoin the rat race.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2812015]Most likely the 2 x400 is the bar fine and the room comes for free. 400 is slightly high for an in-house room, but more appropriate for a bar fine.

What bar was it?[/QUOTE]I guess it's more appropriate to call the 400 Baht fee a barfine fee. But whenever I ask they always say room fee and not barfine fee.

But room fee is incorrect. They never clean the room nor change the sheets. Only fresh towels are provided.

The 400 baht fee includes 50 baht commission for the girl. (So bar 350, girl 50).

So for accounting purposes, if you take 5 girls upstairs, then they will charge you 2,000 baht for using one room.

The 50 Baht has to come from somewhere because the bar keeps 350 Baht.

I don't agree with it. But that's how they operate.

Interesting Happening. Soi 6.

1. 1st girl no makeup. Cannot. On period.

2nd. Cannot. Who knows. Best looker of 3.

3. Face Ok. Hard to tell body quality.

High level negotiations. She say 1,000. Done. 300 for room.

Tittie's disappointing. Not at all enthusiastic. Hahaha. Mother of 2.

Now I know why she started at 1,000 baht.

All part of the game boys.

My fourth time at Palace Agogo in 9 nights. April 28. Quality of girls only gets better if that is even possible.

Lots of customers,. I wonder why. Buying a lot of drinks. Here I wouldn't be surprised if many girls are getting Full salary.

Usually when people try to pawn off a girl the girl is a bottom dweller. Not here- pretty girls are often recommended by a momma San or a friend and the Girl is taken. A managed sale you might say.

The tittie's on display are awesome. Young girls with good faces and natural s.

On to peppermint. 2nd tier operation. Moderately busy. Bare tittie's on display belong to older thick not the best looking girls.

Some girls are young and attractive.

Think about it.

WS versus Soi 6 as far as value goes. Performance has no place in this we are paying for LOOKS, body and FACE.

$150 vs $60 short time. This includes everything.

$90 vs $37 (say Soi 6 baseline fee is $37 while baseline fee for WS girl is 3,000 or $90).

Walking Street is teeming with Hotties. Soi 6 you have to search every nook and cranny to find anything resembling pretty.

Walking Street you can oogle a girl and if she gives you the Death Stare you can write her off. You can't really stare at a Soi 6 girl to gauge reaction.

The question becomes is the WS girl 2. 5 times hotter than a S6 girl? I say Definitely. EZ peasy.

The problem is the BARFINE of!,500- 2,500.

Using Nana Plaza where barfining is Common and BF is 1,000. The issue is is the 500 difference a deal killer. I'm questioning that. Just for me. I'm not castigating anyone.

$60 short time time sounds enticing but is it really. Hahahahaha. Fools Gold.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2812240]Think about it.

WS versus Soi 6 as far as value goes. Performance has no place in this we are paying for LOOKS, body and FACE.

$150 vs $60 short time. This includes everything.
The question becomes is the WS girl 2. 5 times hotter than a S6 girl? I say Definitely. EZ peasy.

Fools Gold.[/QUOTE]The question is why do you use $ in a country where the currency is Thai Baht.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2812240]Think about it.

WS versus Soi 6 as far as value goes. Performance has no place in this we are paying for LOOKS, body and FACE.

$150 vs $60 short time. This includes everything.

$90 vs $37 (say Soi 6 baseline fee is $37 while baseline fee for WS girl is 3,000 or $90).

Walking Street is teeming with Hotties. Soi 6 you have to search every nook and cranny to find anything resembling pretty.

Walking Street you can oogle a girl and if she gives you the Death Stare you can write her off. You can't really stare at a Soi 6 girl to gauge reaction.

The question becomes is the WS girl 2. 5 times hotter than a S6 girl? I say Definitely. EZ peasy.

The problem is the BARFINE of!,500- 2,500.

Using Nana Plaza where barfining is Common and BF is 1,000. The issue is is the 500 difference a deal killer. I'm questioning that. Just for me. I'm not castigating anyone.

$60 short time time sounds enticing but is it really. Hahahahaha. Fools Gold.[/QUOTE]For some of us a $60 Short Time with a Walking Street hottie whose performance in the room is atrocious is a deal killer. For me, even a $5 Short Time with such a hottie would be a buzz-killing waste of my time and money.

Have you taken enough $60 Soi 6 acceptables and $150 WS hotties to compare value for money based on, you know, actual sex rather than how they look in the moonlight?

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2812240]Think about it.

WS versus Soi 6 as far as value goes. [/QUOTE]You can have bad sex everywhere and good sex. ? Well same.

However agree. Soi6 are no way near the looks of the average gogogirls!

Soi6 is nice for a cheap cumdump but that's about it. Optic fucks? Better check WS.

Yeah WS is more expensive however for 4 K longtime a gogobar chick (incl barfine)? Thats possible. Thats 100 euro full night. Still cheap!

So depends on budget and needs I guess. Some guys just like to fuck cheap (however a bit more upscale then beachroad) so soi6 it is.

I still don't understand what performance has to do with what one pays.

Payment is agreed to based on going rate for Venue or area. Determination of performance is done after the deal is finalized. You just take your Chances.

Saturday another busy night as far as WS agogos are concerned. Pattaya is way better than Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy and Patpong.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2812449]You can have bad sex everywhere and good sex. ? Well same.

However agree. Soi6 are no way near the looks of the average gogogirls!

Soi6 is nice for a cheap cumdump but that's about it. Optic fucks? Better check WS.

Yeah WS is more expensive however for 4 K longtime a gogobar chick (incl barfine)? Thats possible. Thats 100 euro full night. Still cheap!

So depends on budget and needs I guess. Some guys just like to fuck cheap (however a bit more upscale then beachroad) so soi6 it is.[/QUOTE]Where are you finding a go-go bar chick for 4 K (including bar fine) for longtime? Isn't the standard price 3 K for St and 5 K for LT (if you can even get it) plus bar fine?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2812495]Where are you finding a go-go bar chick for 4 K (including bar fine) for longtime? Isn't the standard price 3 K for St and 5 K for LT (if you can even get it) plus bar fine?[/QUOTE]Standard is indeed about 3 K ST and 5 K longtime and a barfine of 1500+.

However if you are a regular and girls know you? Prices change easily.

Same for barfines. These are not that strict as everyone might think.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2812305] For me, even a $5 Short Time with such a hottie would be a buzz-killing waste of my time and money.[/QUOTE]Even if she's a rare 10, the hottest girl you've banged in your life, perky natural boobs, a pussy with no meat, a girl who doesn't tire after an hour of banging, and a lot of fun to be around if you can't stick it in raw it's a waste of $5 and your time?

Pass me her info the next time you find one of these please. I'll pay $5 and I have all the time in the world. I'll even pay 3000 baht for that!

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2812001]This girl's daily salary is 1,300 baht. She worked 20 days and needed to get 100 drinks during the 20 days. (Dec. 21 through Jan. 09).

A very lazy and unreliable girl.

Comes late often and she didn't come to work on Jan. 4, 8, and 9. So she had to pay her own barfine of 1,500 Baht for those days.

It's possible she went to a customer on those days and the guy gave her the barfine money as well.

But considering that she is lazy, I'm thinking, for the last two days, she said fuck it and just stayed home or went partying.

In the end, she got paid 33,380 Baht for the 20 days. That does not include the money she received directly from the customers after barfine.

So it makes little difference to her. (Paying her own barfine for the last two days).[/QUOTE]Do they give ugly girls different level of minimums. No offense. Hahaha. Its not Fair they have to perform like a HOT girl to get paid.

What about Hello girls? A Hot girl at somewhere (2nd tier place) escorts a guy to his seat and just satnds there waiting for a drink. I think I saw her place 4 guys and no one bought her a drink.

When I say Hot I mean Sizzling. Definitely no problem getting 3,000 short time if she chose to.

When I first saw Hello girls being friendly to men I thought they were just being friendly to make customer feel at HOME not Hustling drinks. One has to learn. Thats why now ill Smile at one but don't engage. Money is precious and not to be wasted on Hello girls. Hahahahaha.

Pattaya is very busy now, the busiest I have ever seen for this time of year.

Traffic is the worst I have ever experienced.

I don't have a lot of ladies asking to come to my condo, which indicates that they have customers.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2812488]I still don't understand what performance has to do with what one pays.

Payment is agreed to based on going rate for Venue or area. Determination of performance is done after the deal is finalized. You just take your Chances.

Saturday another busy night as far as WS agogos are concerned. Pattaya is way better than Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy and Patpong.[/QUOTE]So you pay the 2500 baht or whatever barfine for your Palace hottie, agree to pay her the 3000 baht going rate for 60-90 minutes of "her time" and in the room she gives you the head turn when you move in for a kiss, refuses BBBJ, refuses DATY, of course insists on a condom for one pop missionary only while she lays there like a lox and you sill wouldn't understand why performance matters for your 5500 baht?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2812513]Even if she's a rare 10, the hottest girl you've banged in your life, perky natural boobs, a pussy with no meat, a girl who doesn't tire after an hour of banging, and a lot of fun to be around if you can't stick it in raw it's a waste of $5 and your time?

Pass me her info the next time you find one of these please. I'll pay $5 and I have all the time in the world. I'll even pay 3000 baht for that![/QUOTE]Is this "hottest girl I have banged in my life", not remotely likely in the Thailand P4P scene BTW if I may say so with all due modesty, also going to give me the head turn when I move in for a kiss, refuse DATY, refuse BBBJ and consider BBBJCIM a form of horrible torture?

If so, yeah, I'll even give you $5 to come pick her up and take her out of my room as someone as useless to me sexually as a lovely potted plant that tells a good joke every now and then.

For Your Viewing Pleasure. Hahaha.

[URL]https://web.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=649347313864573&set=a.259569582842350[/URL]

I wonder if Explorerer licked this one to Organism.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2812584]Pattaya is very busy now, the busiest I have ever seen for this time of year.

Traffic is the worst I have ever experienced.

I don't have a lot of ladies asking to come to my condo, which indicates that they have customers.[/QUOTE]Its a long thai holiday.

Directed at Explorer.

May 11th at Juju Club on Soi Buakhao.

Sek Loso Champion of Rice Farmers all over Thailand will be concerting. Huge Rock Star back in the day.

Explore can Party with all his Ladies for not so much money. Relive their Youths. Imagine the after Party at his Condo.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2812691]Its a long thai holiday.[/QUOTE]When is this holiday getting over?

Number 434 #Palace Agogo.

Doesn't get better than that. Except. Read more.

Face way above average.

Tittie's. Pink. Nipples not deformed in any ways. Original s.

Light Skin.

Proportionately no issues. No African Bubble Rear end. Etc.

Just Smoking.

The Except. Not look like Fun. Will not look at customers and Smile. Hence in 5 visit s never seen her with a customer.

No worries. There's a lot of Sizzlers there. I met one probably Hotter than any Rainbow girl in Nana Plaza,. Did compensate her, mostly for being Hot,. Being friendly also Helped her cause.

[QUOTE=TopRahul83;2812723]When is this holiday getting over?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.officeholidays.com/countries/thailand/2023[/URL]

So after next weekend? Some have an extra jholiday 1st of may. Others might have a long weekend next weekend.

Bolt taxi has raised their prices by 30%. Maybe that will free up more taxis.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2812614]If so, yeah, I'll even give you $5 to come pick her up and take her out of my room [/QUOTE]Too funny. Maybe a new business idea for me. "Got a garbage lady? I'll take her off your hands for $5!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2812876]Bolt taxi has raised their prices by 30%. Maybe that will free up more taxis.[/QUOTE]

Still dirt cheap.

Walking St. 2nd Road. Terminal 21. Beach Road.

Outside of this radical area where are you guys going to find 1,000 baht Hotties.

This past 11 days there was not any time a Baht Bus wasn't available.

And at times while there was traffic, it wasn't Horrendous or anything.

Traffick was a non issue in the popular areas.

Traffic was much lighter last night. And there were not as many customers on the streets. Still plenty of ladies, though.

Maybe it was the May 1 holiday, or maybe Low Season is here.

April 24-29.5,000 military on leave in Pattaya.

They blended in well. Did not notice their Presence at all.

One might have thought Soi 6 would have been overwhelmed. Maybe Military are late Partiers, of which I am not.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2813188]April 24-29.5,000 military on leave in Pattaya.

They blended in well. Did not notice their Presence at all.

One might have thought Soi 6 would have been overwhelmed. Maybe Military are late Partiers, of which I am not.[/QUOTE]Just because they are military doesn't mean 5000 is going to evade Pattaya. Years ago we had a annual slow pinch softball game whenever they were in town a former teammate was a ex military had connections to them. Meeting many found great majority are career and have family with them the ones you see are usually short term first timer out when they do pretty easy to spot give away the haircut loud small group 3-5 all jacked up like Football jocks in general.

I'm told also against the rules to consort LOL, prior to Covid I would still see a number of them at the Kings Cup SEA tournament held in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2813226]I'm told also against the rules to consort LOL, [/QUOTE]Yes. It is not like the old days. They get in really big trouble for that shit these days.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2813169]Traffic was much lighter last night. And there were not as many customers on the streets. Still plenty of ladies, though.

Maybe it was the May 1 holiday, or maybe Low Season is here.[/QUOTE]Traffic was crazy this past weekend and it likely seems quieter now I think because everyone (meaning Thai / local tourists) went home after the long weekend, and it's now officially low season for international tourists. Driving home Monday May 1 took twice as long as it normally does. Hell, it took me 30 minutes just to get to highway 7 (main highway back to Bangkok) and then another 2. 5 hours to get to the eastern part of Bangkok.

Just a quick note that Thursday May 4 is another holiday here in Thailand, and I expect many will take another long weekend this coming weekend (despite Friday not being an official holiday). As well, advance polls for the election are this coming Sunday so my understanding is that there will be the usual bar closing / alcohol ban from 6 pm Saturday May 6 to 6 pm Sunday May 7. The same thing will be repeated next weekend (closing at 6 pm on Saturday May 13 until 6 pm Saturday May 14), as May 14 is the actual election date. This will be throughout Thailand, not just in Pattaya, so you can plan accordingly.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2813246]Traffic was crazy this past weekend and it likely seems quieter now I think because everyone (meaning Thai / local tourists) went home after the long weekend, and it's now officially low season for international tourists. Driving home Monday May 1 took twice as long as it normally does. Hell, it took me 30 minutes just to get to highway 7 (main highway back to Bangkok) and then another 2. 5 hours to get to the eastern part of Bangkok.

Just a quick note that Thursday May 4 is another holiday here in Thailand, and I expect many will take another long weekend this coming weekend (despite Friday not being an official holiday). As well, advance polls for the election are this coming Sunday so my understanding is that there will be the usual bar closing / alcohol ban from 6 pm Saturday May 6 to 6 pm Sunday May 7. The same thing will be repeated next weekend (closing at 6 pm on Saturday May 13 until 6 pm Saturday May 14), as May 14 is the actual election date. This will be throughout Thailand, not just in Pattaya, so you can plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]Yesterday. Monday. Pattaya bus station to Ekkakmai. Left Pattaya 9. 25 am.

Arrived Ekkami in under 2 hours. The Bus Driver was not speeding or weaving in and out of Traffick.

Why is my experience with traffic so unlike others. Weird.

I had 2 ladies at my condo yesterday, and they doubleteamed me on the sofa. One lady gave me a blowjob, the other mounted my mouth for pussylicking. But, she had an unusual pussy. She was a low pressure squirter. Rather than shooting water, she pulsed it out, almost like some women secrete pussy juice inside in waves. It took me a few pulses to understand what she was doing.

Of course, she claimed she finished, but squirting doesn't mean cumming, it just means her pussy is lubricating itself. I didn't sense any sign that she came.

Topic of non discussion. Desire Bar on Soy 6.

I commented to a never been to Desire Bar that the actual downstairs bar is Khrap. He probably thought it was decked up like Livestream area and stocked with Hot girls.

A moderator said I was trolling. Hahaha.

Was I? Anyone been to Desire during Prime Time hours?

Please Opine.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2813270]Yesterday. Monday. Pattaya bus station to Ekkakmai. Left Pattaya 9. 25 am.

Arrived Ekkami in under 2 hours. The Bus Driver was not speeding or weaving in and out of Traffick.

Why is my experience with traffic so unlike others. Weird.[/QUOTE]It's because you (smartly) departed Pattaya nice and early on the final day of a 3-day weekend. If you leave before 11 am you can usually avoid the worst of holiday weekend traffic, even at New Years / Songkran (you'll also avoid having to wait a long time for vacant bus seat). Having enjoyed a leisurely lunch I (stupidly) left Jomtien at 3:15 pm that day so I caught the worst of it. Better to leave early in the day or super early (5 am) the day after a holiday weekend, I think, to avoid huge traffic jams.

Once you are in the beach road or 2nd area it isn't as bad if you actually have to navigate the traffic yourself. Personally, the traffic getting into town has been worse than pre-covid. A week ago at T-21, there were close to 10 buses parked inside each side closing off the driveway into the parking lot to one lane. There are lots of Chinese in town but they don't translate into the nightlife.

I've been using the Ekamai bus from Pattaya Nua for close to 15 years and always found it to be good not once had I had a crazy driver look at their history I could only remember one accident being on the news. For the price even today 131 is a bargain to Bangkok. Majority of the time I tell the attendant to get off at Udom Suk and walk up to the BTS 40 baht. I'm to Nana in minutes reason on weekdays the Bus once into Sukhumvit takes a good 30 minutes to the station.

Returning is a bit different, if you happen to catch a bus that has residents in Chon Buri, Siracha, or Laem Chabang, the ride is a bit longer no much. Buses are in constant contact with others ahead if there is an accident or jam they are given an alternative route. So whenever I need to go in the choice is always the bus. To the airport depending on the time of flight I use Bell which now operates again out of Nua, the price has actually dropped from 250 to 190, my last time end of March they have reconfigure the seating seats bigger like first-class 6 am in the morning never happened I was the only one on the bus always max 1:25 time.

If you can avoid, the mini Van! Although operated by the same company.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2813482]It's because you (smartly) departed Pattaya nice and early on the final day of a 3-day weekend. If you leave before 11 am you can usually avoid the worst of holiday weekend traffic, even at New Years / Songkran (you'll also avoid having to wait a long time for vacant bus seat). Having enjoyed a leisurely lunch I (stupidly) left Jomtien at 3:15 pm that day so I caught the worst of it. Better to leave early in the day or super early (5 am) the day after a holiday weekend, I think, to avoid huge traffic jams.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call myself smart. Hahaha. I don't have much insight into traffic patterns.

I chose that time because arrive in BKK lunch time. Finish lunch usually can check into hotel an hour or 2 early.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2813491]There are lots of Chinese in town but they don't translate into the nightlife.[/QUOTE]I agree, they are everywhere right now, I hear them in all the hotels I've been to (both Bkk and Pattaya), in the bus from Ekkamai, in the restaurants too.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2813494]I wouldn't call myself smart. Hahaha. I don't have much insight into traffic patterns.

I chose that time because arrive in BKK lunch time. Finish lunch usually can check into hotel an hour or 2 early.[/QUOTE]Depending on the holiday forgot to mention you don't want to take the bus to Bangkok after a major holiday for example Christmas and New Year a few years back big mistake got to the station and the backup to Ekamai was for hours for the next bus. Lucky traveling alone allows you as the bus is finished loading tell the lady you alone and if sit is available for one will allow you on if no one else is ahead and answer to the one rider call.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2813528]I agree, they are everywhere right now, I hear them in all the hotels I've been to (both Bkk and Pattaya), in the bus from Ekkamai, and in the restaurants too.[/QUOTE]Not exactly sure where they are from majority Mainland Chinese or Hong Kong? Earlier I've run into groups some slip and start talking Cantonese which usually hints from Hong Kong or Southern China although the main language is Mandarin now. These aren't groups you low spenders but are well off, a few months back in January I ran into a bunch of them at Immigration getting extensions. I run into a few on the Darkside even in my wife's roadside restaurant I see signs the way they come across that those are the grey business many here doing illegal activities.

I run into them in small groups at High Roller, Bacarra, Peppermint, XS, Palace, and Pin Up, even before Covid many were at Bacarra. What is missing in the conversation is I've run into groups of Vietnamese on the Darkside too. There was a time I was mistaken for Korean or Japanese even local Thai for some reason after Covid I'm getting asked more if Chinese and when I tell them I'm not from the mainland but made in the USA A they crack up. I've even get spoken to in English more at 7/11 and other stores wondering why they speaking English to me since I'm mistaken for a Thai. Recently I was given change and the girl spoke in English the teller next to her said why are you speaking English to a Thai guy? Then the girl spoke in Thai " are you Thai " I just smiled.

Maybe they are here for the Durian it is in season?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2813528]I agree, they are everywhere right now, I hear them in all the hotels I've been to (both Bkk and Pattaya), in the bus from Ekkamai, in the restaurants too.[/QUOTE]The holiday started last Saturday and will last until the 5th. Monday was the official "Labor Day" or workers day in China, but they try to make all of these big holidays so the public has time to travel back home. Hong Kong only had a single day (May 1), as they do not observe all of the same holidays in the same way as the mainland.

Hold on Somchai another meme about Bargirls goes poof.

Sexy Bar Livestream. Pattaya Soi Made. I think.

Sales with full cast of characters, meaning pretty much Arisa is there, I counted 1 data point $500.

Last night she wasnt there sales of $150.

Even when she is there $500 can't be that much. It's gross, what goes to each lady can't be much.

I'm just not onboard withe the meme Livestream are making the girls Fat and Wealthy.

Could I be wrong. Sure. Hahaha.

When it comes to Thailand they have so many holidays I think if it was possible they would celebrate a buffaloe taking a shit. I have a Thai calendar of 30% each month seems a day has a red marking meaning some type of event or holiday. Even Thais don't have a clue what is coming.

Then you got Pattaya, it is all about the tourist so who knows every weekend there is something going on some event down the beach road. Of course, bring them in even the Thais complain about the traffic on Pattaya Watch, too many buses, nowhere to park, etc etc. Traffic jams because someone decides I'm not walking park ends up blocking the whole Soi, they even wonder where is the police and why nothing is done. According to the new mayor who ran he will change everything but only from wearing a T-Shirt to custom-made shirts now with all the money he is pocketing. His claim is that all the contracts handed out to these contractors aren't fulfilling their commitments and their citizens are so used to being dumped on they actually believe it.

Then all I know is right after Songkran it still isn't low season until Asia " Golden Week is over " not sure it has come and gone but places like Bacarra, Happy are packed with Asian.

Many countries in asia are the same and same in western europe. Not all countries flog their slaves and then give nothing in return. Aka USA. It's actually heartening to see.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2813729]When it comes to Thailand they have so many holidays I think if it was possible they would celebrate a buffaloe taking a shit. I have a Thai calendar of 30% each month seems a day has a red marking meaning some type of event or holiday. Even Thais don't have a clue what is coming.

Then you got Pattaya, it is all about the tourist so who knows every weekend there is something going on some event down the beach road. Of course, bring them in even the Thais complain about the traffic on Pattaya Watch, too many buses, nowhere to park, etc etc. Traffic jams because someone decides I'm not walking park ends up blocking the whole Soi, they even wonder where is the police and why nothing is done. According to the new mayor who ran he will change everything but only from wearing a T-Shirt to custom-made shirts now with all the money he is pocketing. His claim is that all the contracts handed out to these contractors aren't fulfilling their commitments and their citizens are so used to being dumped on they actually believe it.

Then all I know is right after Songkran it still isn't low season until Asia " Golden Week is over " not sure it has come and gone but places like Bacarra, Happy are packed with Asian.[/QUOTE]

The manager of the Flirt bar on Soi 6 was arrested by the police for human trafficking. Like giving out speeding tickets during the Indianapolis 500.

I believe its a Nightwish bar, if so, very strange.

On average, Thailand has twice as many holidays as Western Europe. In Thailand if a holiday falls on a week-end, it gets compensated on a week-day. Not so usually in Europe: if a holiday falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, you're out of luck. So much for Thailand being a country with low labour costs where workers get exploited.

Hey Mongers. This might be not be the right spot but figured I'd give it a shot. I've got an opportunity to travel out to Milan for a work trip. No real details yet but I'm trying to swing a little fun while I'm abroad. My dream is Thailand but that's a bit too far of a trip for me but I'm trying to find another place where I can get what I've heard dudes getting out in SEA (GFE). I've been to Colombia and that's high up on the list but any other spots I might be able to hit up? If SEA is in a league of it's own, then maybe I try to swing it but seeing what other options are out there.

Hi Seniors.

I have a weekend planned in Pattaya and back to work from Monday (BKK). In the view of the upcoming advance elections on Sunday, do you think there will be a drop in number / fun quotient of working girls at beer bars and FLs on Walking street? My other option will be to hang around in BKK. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=RohitMalhotra1;2813773]Hi Seniors.

I have a weekend planned in Pattaya and back to work from Monday (BKK). In the view of the upcoming advance elections on Sunday, do you think there will be a drop in number / fun quotient of working girls at beer bars and FLs on Walking street? My other option will be to hang around in BKK. Any suggestions will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that this and next week everything will be closed on Saturday. So no bars / gogos are open.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2813736]Many countries in asia are the same and same in western europe. Not all countries flog their slaves and then give nothing in return. Aka USA. It's actually heartening to see.[/QUOTE]On a personal note, I'm not sure why you quoted me and made a reference to my comments is some sort of exploration or slavery! WTF is that all about where in my comment did I give you that impression!

I can't speak except for two Asian countries that is China and Thailand more of Thailand than anything. I proudly can say I've never been to Europe but those Europeans I know retired here surely couldn't if they work at the same standard as Thailand!

The standard of pay here in Thailand is basically a minimum wage of 300 baht a day, under this administration it is only volunteer now. I do know from my son and daughter-in-law that foreign companies do pay that amount like Lotus, Big see, 7/11, KFC, and Starbucks the hours daily are 10,6 days a week starting pay for all especially here in Pattaya is 9-10,000 a month. Does any of what I just wrote get you down from your soap box of righteousness? In spite of the high standard you praise Thailand being comparing it with Europe the main reason for the spite in Covid in 2021, was Thailands leaders who took brides and turn a blind eye in allowing the factory owners to sneak in illegal workers from Myanmar, Cambodia, pack them into shacks like sardines down the road from Pattaya in Siracha. At that time the only vaccine available was Sinovac, many of the Thai front line workers who were given the Sinovac were getting sick and dying treating Covid, the Johnson and Johnson the French donated was designated only for the French expat. Sinovac was only given outside of Thai to mainland Chinese ex-pats or work as an American we were left on our own until a Political Tammy Duckworth part Thai, got the government to donate the first 2 million doses that 200,000 was to be given to Expat, and you know what America didn't say give it to American it was given to any Expat that wanted one. Then another 4 million doses follow after that. Now some soap boxer is going to say well the vaccine doesn't work I don't know if it does are doesn't but I've had 4 shots and not had Covid living here. What I do know prior lots of people including those who claim it doesn't work wasn't singing that song then. The timeline based on what I just wrote above is the reason Pattaya is open now it wasn't until Thais were getting Pfizer the rate started to drop.

My daughter-in-law has been at Makro for a year starting at just shy of 10,000 baht she has a Thai Master's from the government school in Accounting which is great but useless. In the year with all the holidays hasn't been any other time off except every day every day no holiday pay no vacation. Does that sound like Europe? My son has worked for Flash, the. I. why. , HomePro, and DHL, all with the same pay the same long hours and days off! The reason I and my wife told our son to forget these jobs and go work with his mother at the restaurant and have the time to care for his own daughter.

Maybe you hang around with people in Thailand more than me but the general population the majority are poor this is what they make reason you can come here brag about your exploit and get your dick fucking suck and get feed back you might have paid too much!

My nephew back home in the USA No college a licensed contractor makes 10 times what a doctor makes at Bumrungrad! My home minimum wage is $15.00 an hour which is for people making coffee, selling burgers, cleaning off tables at the airport, and you know what part-time or full-time they get overtime, two days off, 8-hour days vacation, and sick leave. How you can compare Thailand is beyond me unless you wrote what you wrote after smoking that bullshit weed they grow here!

Pattaya Updates.

Windmill 1&2 are both open.

Heaven gogo in the same alley open.

Bliss closed and moved back to Pacha.

High Season fueled by revenge tourism shows very slight signs of slowing down.

About 100 Indians arrested, jailed during a gambling bust in Soi 4 hotel. Facing fines and deportation. Google it.

Songkran came and went. Those were fun and water filled 5 days. Already missing it.

Single jet ski hitting a waive kills 8 year old boy and the 35 year old trainer driver. Hit a waive and knocked them out. 15 yards from beer garden initial though false story was an Indian guy did the hit and run.

Any good local place to buy uncooked peanuts, cashews and almonds.

[QUOTE=SplitPersona;2813820]Pattaya Updates.

Windmill 1&2 are both open.

Heaven gogo in the same alley open.

Bliss closed and moved back to Pacha.

High Season fueled by revenge tourism shows very slight signs of slowing down.

About 100 Indians arrested, jailed during a gambling bust in Soi 4 hotel. Facing fines and deportation. Google it.

Songkran came and went. Those were fun and water filled 5 days. Already missing it.

Single jet ski hitting a waive kills 8 year old boy and the 35 year old trainer driver. Hit a waive and knocked them out. 15 yards from beer garden initial though false story was an Indian guy did the hit and run.

Any good local place to buy uncooked peanuts, cashews and almonds.[/QUOTE]Next time give an opinion of something. We're Windmill girls Hot. Hahahaha.

Pascha deserve a mention. There were a couple of not hideous old bats there. I took a liking to one who looked like a Librarian.

Was in Pattaya last week and planned on meeting girls primarily on Thai Friendly. It turned out very difficult. I had one successful session with a VERY sexy an slim lady that I met also before. Reliable, no bullshit, 1500 damage. But this was the only successful meeting. 3 girls did not show up even a meeting was agreed and verified only 20 minutes earlier. 2 girls that showed up was NOT AT ALL as in their pictures. One was flat out looking scary and she looked sick, only 40 kilo. I ran away from her after one drink at a bar. So I think the main problem with Thai Friendly is fake photos and the fact that the best looking girls there have many options every night. That is why they ditch customers even meeting is confirmed and prices agreed.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2814600]Was in Pattaya last week and planned on meeting girls primarily on Thai Friendly. It turned out very difficult. I had one successful session with a VERY sexy an slim lady that I met also before. Reliable, no bullshit, 1500 damage. But this was the only successful meeting. 3 girls did not show up even a meeting was agreed and verified only 20 minutes earlier. 2 girls that showed up was NOT AT ALL as in their pictures. One was flat out looking scary and she looked sick, only 40 kilo. I ran away from her after one drink at a bar. So I think the main problem with Thai Friendly is fake photos and the fact that the best looking girls there have many options every night. That is why they ditch customers even meeting is confirmed and prices agreed.[/QUOTE]Going to Pattaya to use Thai Friendly is like going to the best buffet restaurant and ordering from their online menu. When you can see and smell and touch the merchandise before buying why would you depend on online fake and filtered pictures?

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2814839]Going to Pattaya to use Thai Friendly is like going to the best buffet restaurant and ordering from their online menu. When you can see and smell and touch the merchandise before buying why would you depend on online fake and filtered pictures?[/QUOTE]Many quality girls don't want to hang out bored in bars all day and don't like giving the bar a cut of their earnings.

I know a girl who alternates between working clubs, TF, and certain Soi 6 bars will allow her to freelance there for ST with no contract (she doesn't get paid for ladydrinks but helps them sell the "room" fees and looks good for street traffic). She prefers the flexibility and is good looking enough to pull it off.

Despite the flake rate and false picture rate, I've found TF to be valuable- especially when I meet a freelancer that I then repeat with. There's no barfine and you know she's going to have more flexible hours. My general MO is to try a girl from TF in between 2 and 6 pm (if they flake I go to Soi Bong Kot), then take a nap, have dinner and go out to Soi 6 or Pothole for an evening. Use all the methods.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2814600]Was in Pattaya last week and planned on meeting girls primarily on Thai Friendly. It turned out very difficult. I had one successful session with a VERY sexy an slim lady that I met also before. Reliable, no bullshit, 1500 damage. But this was the only successful meeting. 3 girls did not show up even a meeting was agreed and verified only 20 minutes earlier. 2 girls that showed up was NOT AT ALL as in their pictures. One was flat out looking scary and she looked sick, only 40 kilo. I ran away from her after one drink at a bar. So I think the main problem with Thai Friendly is fake photos and the fact that the best looking girls there have many options every night. That is why they ditch customers even meeting is confirmed and prices agreed.[/QUOTE]I haven't used TF or been to Thailand yet but if it's anything like pina love, get them on a chatting app and then video call to verify. You'll still have problems like the ones you faced but it helps a lot.

No reason not to go to the bars but no reason not to use apps as well. I think they can all be fun experiences in their own right. Really depends on the individual and their preference. Pros and cons everything.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2814600]Was in Pattaya last week and planned on meeting girls primarily on Thai Friendly. It turned out very difficult. I had one successful session with a VERY sexy an slim lady that I met also before. Reliable, no bullshit, 1500 damage. But this was the only successful meeting. 3 girls did not show up even a meeting was agreed and verified only 20 minutes earlier. 2 girls that showed up was NOT AT ALL as in their pictures. One was flat out looking scary and she looked sick, only 40 kilo. I ran away from her after one drink at a bar. So I think the main problem with Thai Friendly is fake photos and the fact that the best looking girls there have many options every night. That is why they ditch customers even meeting is confirmed and prices agreed.[/QUOTE]I don't recall ever being stood up by a TF freelancer, having said that, most of the time they'll be late.

It's certainly hit and miss in terms of how they look in pics compared to in person. Thai women like women all over the world use heavy filters for their pics so you take the pics you see with a giant grain of salt. You can always ask them to video call you, however most of the time they won't oblige as they know they're falsely advertising with the filtered pics.

Some responses have mentioned going to bars instead of TF, however I don't drink and bars and loud environments aren't my thing (You'll never find me on WS). If you have balls one of the best ways to finD quality FLers is to just hit on girls during the day wherever you may be as the majority of youner women in central Pattaya are working girls.

The nice thing about Pattaya is you have many options to obtain companionship and everyone has their personal favorite ways to obtain it. Find what suits you. Circling back to TF. I can't complain too much when I'm in a country and I can order an ST session on a dime that will cost me around $30 to $40 and I don't have to leave my comfortable air conditioned room. This is coming from someone who is currently completely blue balled in the US until being able to return to LOS. It's easy to complain about shit while you're there (I do the same thing as it can get frustrating dealing with female antics) but remember where you are and how cheap the companionship is compared to whatever western country you live in.

MPGA-lets make Pattaya great again. In for another week.

Riveting uncensored raw reporting to Follow, maybe not.

I'm expecting more Same same.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2814850]Many quality girls don't want to hang out bored in bars all day and don't like giving the bar a cut of their earnings.

I know a girl who alternates between working clubs, TF, and certain Soi 6 bars will allow her to freelance there for ST with no contract (she doesn't get paid for ladydrinks but helps them sell the "room" fees and looks good for street traffic). She prefers the flexibility and is good looking enough to pull it off.

Despite the flake rate and false picture rate, I've found TF to be valuable- especially when I meet a freelancer that I then repeat with. There's no barfine and you know she's going to have more flexible hours. My general MO is to try a girl from TF in between 2 and 6 pm (if they flake I go to Soi Bong Kot), then take a nap, have dinner and go out to Soi 6 or Pothole for an evening. Use all the methods.[/QUOTE]Tell her she can Freelance at Pin ups or Palace and get paint 3,000 and up short time.

Where as we all know Soi 6 pervs don't want to go above 1,200. Weird a girl would Freelance Soi 6- a quality one I mean. Fish out of water kind of Analogy.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2814927]Tell her she can Freelance at Pin ups or Palace and get paint 3,000 and up short time.

Where as we all know Soi 6 pervs don't want to go above 1,200. Weird a girl would Freelance Soi 6- a quality one I mean. Fish out of water kind of Analogy.[/QUOTE]Her main source of income is an autistic sponsor who sends her money. I think she just likes hanging out at Soi 6 and getting drunk more than anything.

Pascha and Peppermint Patty's. Only 2 on 1st night.

One of the P.S. Had lots of people inside. 5 customers and 88 Thais. LOL.

The other one probably pound for pound has the Hottest girls in Pattaya.

Can't say very busy either.

Frog bar way empty than 2 weeks ago.

That multi level bar had no customers at 9:30 pm.

Conclusion. Going to be a lot of money lost by businesses.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2815132]Pascha and Peppermint Patty's. Only 2 on 1st night.
[/QUOTE]Pacha agogo got the crew from Bliss. That one was also not busy. Maybe they hope a smaller venue helps?

Definitely getting the Low Season vibe in Pattaya. Traffic is light, Bolt taxis are available, and the ladies are getting desperate for customers.

Next month will be worse for the ladies, good time to come to Pattaya.

I moved from Bangkok to Pattaya for a few days yesterday. My intent had been to take a bus between the two cities but when I mapped it out, with the hour plus to get to and / from the bus stops and finding the new place, I decided to just hire a car for the trip and go door to door. Good call.

The rest of the day here was spent exploring. The RLD is massive here! Lots of walking around on my tired legs but worth it.

The O Ring provided the best Thai massage I've gotten since arriving here. Totally legit, nothing sexual at all, and the best rub yet. Two thumbs up and I'll be back.

I then walked up and down Beach Road and Walking Street a few times checking out the talent. Lots of working girls available. I missed out one that looked good to me, a second did not return my eye contact and looked away on two passes so she was not interested in me, but the third was a home run. Tiny little Thai woman, said she was 30, went by Lot, with a tight little ass and firm little body. 1 K BHT paid for the standard suck and fuck, and she was up for BBCIP, starting to mount me without a condom, but I use a condom for PIV. She was happy to go that way as well.

Got her line, enjoyed her company, and feel lucky to have met her, a joke we both made more than once during the encounter.

I had a string of regulars who had come to my condo or hotel for ST since Covid for 1500 Baht. Over the past months, roughtly since China reopened and the Russians started to come, I lost them one by one unless I upgraded them to 2000 Baht.

A few proposed 2000 Baht of their own accord. Most of them just flaked, stood me up, or said they'd gone home.

[QUOTE=XXL;2815297]I had a string of regulars who had come to my condo or hotel for ST since Covid for 1500 Baht. Over the past months, roughtly since China reopened and the Russians started to come, I lost them one by one unless I upgraded them to 2000 Baht.

A few proposed 2000 Baht of their own accord. Most of them just flaked, stood me up, or said they'd gone home.[/QUOTE]Lately I've been quoted higher prices (1200 and 1500) in soi6 on numerus occasions, even on slow days like Monday and from girls that are not even among the best lookers.

They don't even want to negociate, I ended up leaving empty handed a few times because they were stubborn on that matter.

They remind me of the motorbike renters, I've asked almost all the shops (owned by Thai people) on buakhao for a pcx for 1 month and couldn't find one under 5. 5 K, and when I ask them to lower their price they do it for like 100 or 200 bahts only. They fix their price and expect us to accept as it is or else they are ready to not make the deal. Most Thais open a business but don't have a clue on trading, same goes for the girls selling their body.

Result is none of them got my money in the end, because I found a shop owned by a foreigner who knows how to deal and rented his bike at 4. 5 k.

I agree with XXL, they got greedy again as they were precovid, completely to the opposite of how they interracted in November, when the country reopened to foreigners.

730 pm walk down Soy 6.

Identify several nice looking young UNs. Farm fresh?

Problem is if they catch you eyeing them they will make sure they not Want. Haha. No smile come Hither Ravage me look at all.

I'm not Ogre Look a Like.

I did see a Korean take a liking to a Pretty, he had to do his best to get her a Drink. Usually they all giddy, not this one.

One bar could be Poison. Girls in cocktail dresses with no bra. You could see Breast swaying to and fro. At least that's what it looked like from afar.

Left sir 6 go to McDonald's. Aggressive manager practically pushes every button on the kiosk for my order of coffee. Even tell me to insert card. I showed her I Tapped my card. Weird lady don't barfine her- guarantee no fun. She was aggressive with everyone. Watch out.

Go to XS, slow as Bleep. They gave me great seat. Darn so many Hot girls I'm not talking 9 and 10's just above avg. Good looks. A few with Hot bodies to Boot. Smiles all around -weird as Doy 6 only fuglies smile.

Go to Palace again got great seats. Say 88 staff- 15 customers. It's that bad. Girls hot as Fkkk. Msame description as XS. Just attractive.

Slow is the norm I take it after tonight.

[QUOTE=Fortunate;2815270]I moved from Bangkok to Pattaya for a few days yesterday. My intent had been to take a bus between the two cities but when I mapped it out, with the hour plus to get to and / from the bus stops and finding the new place, I decided to just hire a car for the trip and go door to door. Good call.

The rest of the day here was spent exploring. The RLD is massive here! Lots of walking around on my tired legs but worth it.

The O Ring provided the best Thai massage I've gotten since arriving here. Totally legit, nothing sexual at all, and the best rub yet. Two thumbs up and I'll be back.

I then walked up and down Beach Road and Walking Street a few times checking out the talent. Lots of working girls available. I missed out one that looked good to me, a second did not return my eye contact and looked away on two passes so she was not interested in me, but the third was a home run. Tiny little Thai woman, said she was 30, went by Lot, with a tight little ass and firm little body. 1 K BHT paid for the standard suck and fuck, and she was up for BBCIP, starting to mount me without a condom, but I use a condom for PIV. She was happy to go that way as well.

Got her line, enjoyed her company, and feel lucky to have met her, a joke we both made more than once during the encounter.[/QUOTE]I don't think I've ever taken a beach road girl, although clearly there's a lot of value there. I recall last year a decent looking mid 30's lady wanting me to take her for only 500 baht LOL. I declined.

[QUOTE=XXL;2815297]I had a string of regulars who had come to my condo or hotel for ST since Covid for 1500 Baht. Over the past months, roughtly since China reopened and the Russians started to come, I lost them one by one unless I upgraded them to 2000 Baht.

A few proposed 2000 Baht of their own accord. Most of them just flaked, stood me up, or said they'd gone home.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing by July / August they'll be back down to 1,500 baht as low season has just started really. Wait until it's the dead time of summer and early fall.

Hi folks. I'm a pretty regular guy, but I do have my kinky side, my main one being exhibitionism / voyeurism. Seeing other people have fun makes me want to have fun. Are there are any gogo bars, clubs, BJ bars, etc. In Pattaya where I can see other mongers getting serviced?

Hey all,

I've been to Bangkok more than once, never in Pattaya. I know the drill. I'm the Thai Friendly type, not roaming the streets much.

What do you think the main differences are between Pattaya and Bangkok?

[QUOTE=MaxPayload;2815536]Hey all,

I've been to Bangkok more than once, never in Pattaya. I know the drill. I'm the Thai Friendly type, not roaming the streets much.

What do you think the main differences are between Pattaya and Bangkok?[/QUOTE]The main difference is that you will want to roam the streets in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=FrilledLugworm;2815532]Hi folks. I'm a pretty regular guy, but I do have my kinky side, my main one being exhibitionism / voyeurism. Seeing other people have fun makes me want to have fun. Are there are any gogo bars, clubs, BJ bars, etc. In Pattaya where I can see other mongers getting serviced?[/QUOTE]It can happen in some gentleman clubs where there is a big of action. Nit clearly exhibitionism but kind of.

I have a civvie lady trying to scam me into giving her money for nothing.

So, now she says she will travel to Bangkok with me for two days. Since she has both a Thai boyfriend and husband (she splits time with them), its unlikely she can go. Which brings me to my point:

I don't plan on making advance reservations since its so unlikely she will show up. If she does, I will use Bolt to go to Bangkok, and make a hotel reservation on the way. For one night. If she goes and is a dud, I will say the trip is over after one night.

[QUOTE=MaxPayload;2815536]Hey all,

I've been to Bangkok more than once, never in Pattaya. I know the drill. I'm the Thai Friendly type, not roaming the streets much.

What do you think the main differences are between Pattaya and Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Thaifriendly is at it's best in Pattaya for freelancers with most working girls using it, you will find a lot of girls to choose from and 75% - 90% of the girls will be freelancers.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2815445]I'm guessing by July / August they'll be back down to 1,500 baht as low season has just started really. Wait until it's the dead time of summer and early fall.[/QUOTE]I had no problem paying 1500 during the second half of December and that's supposed to be high season.

[QUOTE=FrilledLugworm;2815532]Hi folks. I'm a pretty regular guy, but I do have my kinky side, my main one being exhibitionism / voyeurism. Seeing other people have fun makes me want to have fun. Are there are any gogo bars, clubs, BJ bars, etc. In Pattaya where I can see other mongers getting serviced?[/QUOTE]I was in the Bar Code Agogo at soi LK Metro a few days ago and there was a guy in the back getting a BJ. But it was quiet and not too many customers, so maybe they were desperate.

[QUOTE=FrilledLugworm;2815532]Hi folks. I'm a pretty regular guy, but I do have my kinky side, my main one being exhibitionism / voyeurism. Seeing other people have fun makes me want to have fun. Are there are any gogo bars, clubs, BJ bars, etc. In Pattaya where I can see other mongers getting serviced?[/QUOTE]Your best bet in Pattaya, as somebody mentioned below, is to try this in one of the raunchier Gentlemen's Clubs.

Telephone Bar is somewhat known for guys who have a bit of the exhibitionist in them, and quite a few other G-Clubs offer in-the-bar service. For in-the-bar BJs, you can try some of the "closed" bars (meaning an indoor bar with doors such that it cannot be viewed from the street) like Hunny Lounge, Legs 11, and Lips Lounge on Soi Honey. In these places, you can see often see other guys getting serviced, and they can see you if you choose to have fun in the bar. If you want to witness other guys orally servicing girls, then Windmill 1 / 2 or Kink (upper level) should fulfill most of your viewing needs.

If you want to watch and partake simultaneously, then your best bet is to go to one of the raunchier G-Clubs, explain to Mamasan what you want and ask her for recommendations on which girls work well together. After buying them a few drinks to test their willingness, you can then invite another monger to join you in the room for a foursome. If you don't want to broach the subject with a fellow monger yourself then you can have one of the girls or Mamasan approach the other guy to ask him if he wants to to participate. If you go this route then you should be ready to pick up most / all of the costs.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2815679]Your best bet in Pattaya, as somebody mentioned below, is to try this in one of the raunchier Gentlemen's Clubs.

Telephone Bar is somewhat known for guys who have a bit of the exhibitionist in them, and quite a few other G-Clubs offer in-the-bar service. For in-the-bar BJs, you can try some of the "closed" bars (meaning an indoor bar with doors such that it cannot be viewed from the street) like Hunny Lounge, Legs 11, and Lips Lounge on Soi Honey. In these places, you can see often see other guys getting serviced, and they can see you if you choose to have fun in the bar. If you want to witness other guys orally servicing girls, then Windmill 1 / 2 or Kink (upper level) should fulfill most of your viewing needs.

If you want to watch and partake simultaneously, then your best bet is to go to one of the raunchier G-Clubs, explain to Mamasan what you want and ask her for recommendations on which girls work well together. After buying them a few drinks to test their willingness, you can then invite another monger to join you in the room for a foursome. If you don't want to broach the subject with a fellow monger yourself then you can have one of the girls or Mamasan approach the other guy to ask him if he wants to to participate. If you go this route then you should be ready to pick up most / all of the costs.[/QUOTE]Can someone confirm oral at Windmills or Kinks. I'm calling Shenanigans. No offense.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2815681]Can someone confirm oral at Windmills or Kinks. I'm calling Shenanigans. No offense.[/QUOTE]I don't go to Gogos, too smokey and expensive so I cannot comment on windmill or kink.

I've been noshed off many times at the bar in the open at telephone bar. It's very dark in there so pretty hard to see what is going on.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2815681]Can someone confirm oral at Windmills or Kinks. I'm calling Shenanigans. No offense.[/QUOTE]Second floor of Kink it is possible to GIVE oral to a dancer in the booth after plying her with lady drinks. The other way around does not seem to be permitted. My friend and I were sitting there in Kinks and a dancer sitting at our table lifted his tee-shirt, put her head underneath it and proceeded to give him a BJ in the booth. Within two minutes the mamasan gave her a sharp slap on the back of her head, abruptly ending the festivities.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2815681]Can someone confirm oral at Windmills or Kinks. I'm calling Shenanigans. No offense.[/QUOTE]That is a normal thing to see at Windmill. Some guy sitting at the stage eating a chick out. Then some other guy comes and does it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2815779]That is a normal thing to see at Windmill. Some guy sitting at the stage eating a chick out. Then some other guy comes and does it.[/QUOTE]And in between guys or while being with the same guy, the girl will wipe her pussy with some alcohol / perfume wipe at regular intervals. I saw some girls keeping a wipe in one hand all the time and wiping from time to time, like nurses when they give you a jab at the hospital. If that is your thing I suggest you buy a pack of wipes direct from 7/11 and lick off the wipes in your hotel room. Cheaper than going at Windmill.

[QUOTE=XXL;2815839]And in between guys or while being with the same guy, the girl will wipe her pussy with some alcohol / perfume wipe at regular intervals. I saw some girls keeping a wipe in one hand all the time and wiping from time to time, like nurses when they give you a jab at the hospital. If that is your thing I suggest you buy a pack of wipes direct from 7/11 and lick off the wipes in your hotel room. Cheaper than going at Windmill.[/QUOTE]Over not so many visits the worst I've seen was Finger the rim of the You Know What. Girl was maybe a 2. 5 on Richter Scale. See the issue.

Last night' at Palace I turn around and see a Korean feeling a Coyote's Chest- Boy did she look uncomfortable. This girl was one of the more attractive ones IMHO.

Protocol kept me from observing much. I had to contort to see. I have no desire to get beaten up or escorted out by Security for being a Pervert.

Number 84 if was a bit more Friendly I could see being a Star. Yes she that Hot. Some Pretty just don't get attention.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2815681]Can someone confirm oral at Windmills or Kinks. I'm calling Shenanigans. No offense.[/QUOTE]Beavers was the only a-gogo I know where everything was possible. Blowjob, fuck. You name it!

Windmill / kinky? As said below. Can lick a pussy and all but that's about it.

Not my thing but knock your socks off?

Pre-Covid, low-end GoGo was Dollhouse they had an upstairs called XXX I felt it was much better and not as crowded as Windmill, personally the girls didn't suit my taste at Windmill then the school socks thing just turn me off. I stuck mostly downstairs they had a few gems in their lineups along with a few older ones that would rock your world. They did a table show and bubble bath on the main level.

It was a good place to get your evening started, BF was I think under 1000 and girls would take ST for 1500. I was told there was a ST on site but the girl told me it isn't very clean. I use to sit on the upper tier there was one girl in particular with white skin slim and young average looking totally naked she had a few regulars. One in particular one night came in with what looked like a shopping bag full of groceries he would sit on the upper level also one evening I looked over and he was on his knees she was on her back legs up on the counter and he was going downtown.

Haven't been in a few months after Covid, and many of the girls didn't come back but I did notice on the same top level there is a room dark glass door that saw a few girls take customers into. Upstairs is no longer XXX but Electric Blue, I believe the guys that own or run Dollhouse, the group use to run or own Beaver and Electric Blue.

[QUOTE=MaxPayload;2815536]Hey all, I've been to Bangkok more than once, never in Pattaya. I know the drill. I'm the Thai Friendly type, not roaming the streets much. What do you think the main differences are between Pattaya and Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Probably not much difference on Thai Friendly. I would guess Bangkok has more girls looking for a serious relationship, but that is just guessing. The main difference between Pattaya and Bangkok now in my opinion is; A) Pattaya much cheaper than Bangkok. Double price for food and drink in Bangkok. B) Demografic: Buakaow area has western guys, mostly 50 plus. Walking street is full of people from India, Russia and some Chinese / Japanese. It is a totally divided city now, much more than 10 years ago. Bangkok has a lot younger crowd over all. C) Pattaya / Jomtien has the beach, sadly lacking in Bangkok. I don't like the new wider beach in Pattaya, but Jomtien beaches still good as before. It is nice to enjoy the sea breeze on a hot day. Bangkok has much more variety. For newbies; definately go to both places!

[QUOTE=MaxPayload;2815536]Hey all,

I've been to Bangkok more than once, never in Pattaya. I know the drill. I'm the Thai Friendly type, not roaming the streets much.

What do you think the main differences are between Pattaya and Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Pattaya has much higher percentage of girls who are looking for customers and are also close enough to come to your central Pattaya hotel. In Bangkok, you need to sort out the large percentage of girls who are either looking for permanent relationships or geographically too far to come to your hotel for a ST session.

Soi 6 goes dark.

Yesterday around 7 pm, there seemed to be a power outage on Soi 6.

Coming in from Beach road, the first few bars and medical shops were operating with torch lights.

Girls were waiving them to draw attention.

Can't imagine how the upstairs rooms would operate without electricity yuk.

Some of the bars did seem to have generators.

For the budding entrepreneurs. UD bar Soi 6 is up for sale.

It says processing is easy as is under Thai Corporation and only owner and shareholders need to be swapped.

It almost seems like a bar names are coined by kindergarten kids.

Saturday will be gloomy with clubs closed due to elections.

[QUOTE=MaxPayload;2815536]Hey all,

I've been to Bangkok more than once, never in Pattaya. I know the drill. I'm the Thai Friendly type, not roaming the streets much.

What do you think the main differences are between Pattaya and Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Pattaya is much cheaper!

Soi6 somewhere. Spot Hot girl she say she not Naughty girl, refered me to ugly friend.

Next mediocre girl somewhere else quote 2,000. Don't know house fe.

No Desire Bar. Not bad girl. 2,500 for her 1,200 to bar. I was expecting 1,800 all in. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Bule2004;2816290]Pattaya is much cheaper![/QUOTE]BKK and Pattaya are both awesome in their own ways. Sample both and see which suits you.

[QUOTE=SplitPersona;2816289]Soi 6 goes dark.

Yesterday around 7 pm, there seemed to be a power outage on Soi 6.

Saturday will be gloomy with clubs closed due to elections.[/QUOTE]The same has been said about last Saturday. I've met a girl later, another day, that told me the bars were closed only from around 6 pm, but were open during the afternoon.

Il will probablement be the same this Saturday, so everybody can still go and join his favorite girl tomorrow afternoon.

If you decide to buy 50 ladydrinks or so please pay up. Apparently a guy fell and BROKE his forehead as he was trying to evade payment.

Major Walk Street Agogo. I've been there a few times.

Yes writer use the phrase Broke Forehead. Hahaha.

I plan to apply for a 10-year visa. One requirement is the following: "clear passport-size photograph in business attire (t-shirt not allowed)". I assume what this means is at least a long-sleeve shirt and preferably a tie to boot. I have nothing like this in my belongings but I was told the photo studios catering to weddings etc. could help me out. The only shops I know are ones doing mugshots for visa extensions, certificates of residence and the like. Any idea as to a proper photo studio in Pattaya or Jomtien?

[QUOTE=XXL;2816570]I plan to apply for a 10-year visa. One requirement is the following: "clear passport-size photograph in business attire (t-shirt not allowed)". I assume what this means is at least a long-sleeve shirt and preferably a tie to boot. I have nothing like this in my belongings but I was told the photo studios catering to weddings etc. could help me out. The only shops I know are ones doing mugshots for visa extensions, certificates of residence and the like. Any idea as to a proper photo studio in Pattaya or Jomtien?[/QUOTE]There use to be one at Royal Garden but I'm pretty sure it is gone. I run around a lot but not looking but I know they are around. At big see extra outside Fuji restaurant closer to restaurant Santa Fe, there is a table always pulling people I believe this is wedding shop people might want to ask them where their shop is but might just go upstairs to Big see, mens wear you can get a dress shirt long sleeves cheap tie for 500 baht? Surely a man of your means can afford it.

[QUOTE=XXL;2816570]Any idea as to a proper photo studio in Pattaya or Jomtien?[/QUOTE]3rd Road at Soi PP. But I am like LBM. Just go buy a cheap ass shirt and duck in to one of those places that you can do the passport photos. Maybe one of those places have a shirt that you can put on. Or you can borrow the one the owner is wearing.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2816540]If you decide to buy 50 ladydrinks or so please pay up. Apparently a guy fell and BROKE his forehead as he was trying to evade payment.

Major Walk Street Agogo. I've been there a few times.

Yes writer use the phrase Broke Forehead. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing he fell on a club rather than fell in a club.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2816715]I'm guessing he fell on a club rather than fell in a club.[/QUOTE]More realistic.

Not making fun of the provider.

Central. What looks like a retired Terrorist has hooked up with what looks like a girl who has Cerebral Palsy or something.

Not passing judgement just an Observation.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816622]3rd Road at Soi PP. But I am like LBM. Just go buy a cheap ass shirt and duck in to one of those places that you can do the passport photos. Maybe one of those places have a shirt that you can put on. Or you can borrow the one the owner is wearing.[/QUOTE]XXL,

Give the Kodak shop near Soi LengKee the shop down from the 7/11 and Cheap Charlie they have bunch of services for Farangs. In particular they can take your Passport the front picture and your latest entry stamp and shrink it to Credit Card size that is what I carry year-round.

Librarian Issues.

1st attempt. Fail. I swear I'm Hansum Man.

2nd attempt a few bars down. See a cute girl with Glasses just ask thinking she say No. I still got it. She say 2 k, deal done at 1. 5 k.

What a Hot Body. Tittie's just a smidgen bigger or work somewhere else she could get 3,000.

Always cons. 1. No air con. At the end I was sweating.

2. They really don't change Sheets. She folded our used towel so neatly I thought she going to leave them for next customer. She discarded them.

3. Not con. She would have let me kiss her on the lips at the end but I declined. Hope I didn't hurt her Feelings. Hahaha.

3 Soi 6 Barfines over recently history.

1. ok.

2. Not ok.

3. That's what I'm talking about Willis.

House fee 400. I also gave tip commensurate with price.

Now if only someone could Ban cars going that Soi at night. Dangerous to be a Lookie loo.

[QUOTE=XXL;2816570]I plan to apply for a 10-year visa. One requirement is the following: "clear passport-size photograph in business attire (t-shirt not allowed)". I assume what this means is at least a long-sleeve shirt and preferably a tie to boot. I have nothing like this in my belongings but I was told the photo studios catering to weddings etc. could help me out. The only shops I know are ones doing mugshots for visa extensions, certificates of residence and the like. Any idea as to a proper photo studio in Pattaya or Jomtien?[/QUOTE]Kodak shops have software to do what you want.

They take a passport photo of your head, then transpose it onto a shirt and suit photo.

All done as quick as.

The videos on youtube lately are looking like bars are packed with girls, but not many customers at all. Wonder how many have turned to Colombia? Videos from Philippines look pretty dismal in girls and tourists. I hope I can sell my US property before they really tank the dollar, and then get over to Thailand and convert almost everything to baht gold.

Hey, am planning on visiting end of August / early September and wanted both to have some fun with variety of girls, I would assume visiting the clubs, massages and other locations is the best option for that, or are there any online sites that are decent as well?

Secondly I am planning to stay for 9 days and was hoping to do some general "tourist" stuff to get a bit of the vacation flair, both by myself and with company, I feel so stupid to ask but better do it now online than in person in thailand, would that be acceptable and how would you recommend that I go about that? Just ask a girl that I like and I guess is fine with me if she wants to hang with me for a couple of days and do stuff, I pay?

[QUOTE=Kontiki;2817033]Hey, am planning on visiting end of August / early September and wanted both to have some fun with variety of girls, I would assume visiting the clubs, massages and other locations is the best option for that, or are there any online sites that are decent as well?

Secondly I am planning to stay for 9 days and was hoping to do some general "tourist" stuff to get a bit of the vacation flair, both by myself and with company, I feel so stupid to ask but better do it now online than in person in thailand, would that be acceptable and how would you recommend that I go about that? Just ask a girl that I like and I guess is fine with me if she wants to hang with me for a couple of days and do stuff, I pay?[/QUOTE]So you are here for 9 days and still want to include touristy stuff with a local girl? I'm here 7 months a year and I've given up planning touristy tuff with girls. Working girls in TH want short time with as many customers as they can fit into a single day. They are not interested in getting to know their own country unless you pay them 5 to 10 thousand Baht a day to do so. And even then expect them to be on their smartphone all day and show no interest in any activity whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Kontiki;2817033]I am planning to stay for 9 days and was hoping to do some general "tourist" stuff to get a bit of the vacation flair, both by myself and with company, I feel so stupid to ask but better do it now online than in person in thailand, would that be acceptable and how would you recommend that I go about that? Just ask a girl that I like and I guess is fine with me if she wants to hang with me for a couple of days and do stuff, I pay?[/QUOTE]That will not be a problem. Just go to one of the many discos and find a chick that you like. If she does not have a steady job then she will surely take you up on that offer.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2817001] I hope I can sell my US property before they really tank the dollar, and then get over to Thailand and convert almost everything to baht gold.[/QUOTE]So you think that the worlds biggest economy and global reserve currency will collapse and you will be safe with your money in THB? If the US dollar actually collapses there will be no safe haven asset. No currency, no precious metal, no crypto will save you then. Its like if a giant meteor hits the planet, you can't go hide in your basement.

[QUOTE=XXL;2817143]So you are here for 9 days and still want to include touristy stuff with a local girl? I'm here 7 months a year and I've given up planning touristy tuff with girls. Working girls in TH want short time with as many customers as they can fit into a single day. They are not interested in getting to know their own country unless you pay them 5 to 10 thousand Baht a day to do so. And even then expect them to be on their smartphone all day and show no interest in any activity whatsoever.[/QUOTE]I often travel around Thailand with Pattaya bargirls, paying 1000 to 2000 baht a day.

Of course, I am not talking about Walking Street or Soi 6 ladies.

I did a one nighter in Ban Chang last night. Pretty dead. I was the only customer at the bar I attended.

The ladies swarmed me when I sat down, kind of annoying. It took thrm 5 minutes to take the hint, and leave me alone with the lady I bought a drink for.

But, I ended up taking 2 ladies to the back room to get to know them better, and took one to the hotel for a 1000 baht ST.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2817198]So you think that the worlds biggest economy and global reserve currency will collapse and you will be safe with your money in THB? If the US dollar actually collapses there will be no safe haven asset. No currency, no precious metal, no crypto will save you then. Its like if a giant meteor hits the planet, you can't go hide in your basement.[/QUOTE]Precious metals will hold value. Thailand won't be too hurt by the demise of the USA due to stupidity. Pattaya might fare the worst of locations in Thailand. Thailand would be worse off if China collapsed, but China isn't run by total idiots like the west is now.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2817233]Precious metals will hold value. Thailand won't be too hurt by the demise of the USA due to stupidity. Pattaya might fare the worst of locations in Thailand. Thailand would be worse off if China collapsed, but China isn't run by total idiots like the west is now.[/QUOTE]555, another dreamer.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2817161]That will not be a problem. Just go to one of the many discos and find a chick that you like. If she does not have a steady job then she will surely take you up on that offer.[/QUOTE]You can bar fine a girl for a couple days in advance so you can have her for a couple days. That doesn't mean that you'll have unlimited sex, you still have to pay her a reasonable fee above the bar fine. That said, if it is a girl you just met, you never really know what you're going to get.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2817198]So you think that the worlds biggest economy and global reserve currency will collapse and you will be safe with your money in THB? If the US dollar actually collapses there will be no safe haven asset. No currency, no precious metal, no crypto will save you then. Its like if a giant meteor hits the planet, you can't go hide in your basement.[/QUOTE]The US banking system has not been doing too well lately. If it collapses and you are in the US make sure that you have a basement full of non-perishables and a gun with numerous rounds.

[QUOTE=XXL;2817143]So you are here for 9 days and still want to include touristy stuff with a local girl? I'm here 7 months a year and I've given up planning touristy tuff with girls. Working girls in TH want short time with as many customers as they can fit into a single day. They are not interested in getting to know their own country unless you pay them 5 to 10 thousand Baht a day to do so. And even then expect them to be on their smartphone all day and show no interest in any activity whatsoever.[/QUOTE]Well that's my hope at least, happy to pay although 10 k seems a bit excessive but good to know there are options at least.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2817161]That will not be a problem. Just go to one of the many discos and find a chick that you like. If she does not have a steady job then she will surely take you up on that offer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2817211]I often travel around Thailand with Pattaya bargirls, paying 1000 to 2000 baht a day.

Of course, I am not talking about Walking Street or Soi 6 ladies.[/QUOTE]Thank you both for your advice it seems getting an account at thaifriendly and just asking girls I hit it off with / like at bars is a reasonable starting point looking at a couple of more pages on this thread, any recommendations of what to do with my date during daytime?

Crapola.

I had a lady in my condo last night for some drinks, and my phone rang. It was her Thai boyfriend.

How he got my Facebook Messenger and how he knew she was with me is a mystery.

He was not happy she was in my condo, and she left soon after. Fortunately, she left her sister behind.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2817001]The videos on youtube lately are looking like bars are packed with girls, but not many customers at all. Wonder how many have turned to Colombia? Videos from Philippines look pretty dismal in girls and tourists. I hope I can sell my US property before they really tank the dollar, and then get over to Thailand and convert almost everything to baht gold.[/QUOTE]Very Observational.

Last night I looked into Frog Bar. While it looked Slow upon closer investigation it probably was even slower. A lot of the people were Working Thais. Bargirls, etc.

Prime Time. 9 pm-11 pm.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2817001]The videos on youtube lately are looking like bars are packed with girls, but not many customers at all.[/QUOTE]Some bars are full of girls but it's most of the time a Nightwish Group bar so you don't know what to expect with these girls.

Other bars have very few girls and most of the times older and unattractive.

Plus they are not good at attracting customers inside, they give a fake smile along a fake "hallooo welcomme" but if you don't give them your attention immediately their smile disappears instantly.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2817500]Crapola. I had a lady in my condo last night for some drinks, and my phone rang. It was her Thai boyfriend. How he got my Facebook Messenger and how he knew she was with me is a mystery. He was not happy she was in my condo, and she left soon after. Fortunately, she left her sister behind.[/QUOTE]He could have installed a keystroke logger on her computer. Or hacked her phone with software that gives him access to GPS location and might even be able to turn her phone into a broadcasting device.

[URL]https://youtu.be/uCyKcoDaofg[/URL]

This is not the stuff of Jason Bourne movies.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2817001]I hope I can sell my US property before they really tank the dollar, and then get over to Thailand and convert almost everything to baht gold.[/QUOTE]Excellent plan! You should go to a place that works for you. The place that treats you best.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2817198]So you think that the worlds biggest economy and global reserve currency will collapse and you will be safe with your money in THB? If the US dollar actually collapses there will be no safe haven asset. No currency, no precious metal, no crypto will save you then. Its like if a giant meteor hits the planet, you can't go hide in your basement.[/QUOTE]There is a big difference between a economic down turn and complete societal collapse. The dollar will collapse. But in my personal opinion not anytime soon. You will see the dollar eat other currencies around the world and when we are down to 3 or four different world currencies then the collapse will come. Right now the dollar is king. Everyone wants the dollar and it is currently the dog with the best fleas in the world.

In the case of total social collapse you are going to want to have prepared by being self sufficient (in as many areas as you can be) until the storm passes. Just think about what you can provide for yourself and work to do that as much as possible. That is if you actually think that is an important action to take. I don't know what is going to happen one way or the other or when it is going to happen.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2817233]Precious metals will hold value. Thailand won't be too hurt by the demise of the USA due to stupidity. Pattaya might fare the worst of locations in Thailand. Thailand would be worse off if China collapsed, but China isn't run by total idiots like the west is now.[/QUOTE]Don't over think it. In the event of social collapse a can of tuna is going be worth more than a gold coin. If you have a gold coin and think you are going to trade for resources you better have a gun and back up otherwise the other party will put a bullet in your head and just take your gold. That is the history of gold. It invites violence on the holder.

Many do not like to say this out loud, but there is a very good reason why the United States of America has stronger military than the next 10 countries combined. Think they are just going to sit around and let their status in the world declined without a fight?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2817314]The US banking system has not been doing too well lately. If it collapses and you are in the US make sure that you have a basement full of non-perishables and a gun with numerous rounds.[/QUOTE]It is unlikely to completely collapse. There will be banks that will be allowed to fail. Others are two big to be allowed to fail. The US Government has a printing machine. And they have no problem making it go burrrrrr. And as long as there is a world wide demand for dollars the economic system will continue to function as it is. But don't expect to be able to preserve your buying power by holding dollars.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2817673]He could have installed a keystroke logger on her computer. Or hacked her phone with software that gives him access to GPS location and might even be able to turn her phone into a broadcasting device.

[URL]https://youtu.be/uCyKcoDaofg[/URL]

This is not the stuff of Jason Bourne movies.[/QUOTE]LOL. Or he could be on his way to Mars in a rocketship that he built in his backyard. Dude we are talking about Thailand here. I seriously doubt some guy that probably does not even have a 3rd grade education knows anything about a keystroke logger. These are simple, unsophisticated, farmer folks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2817161]That will not be a problem. Just go to one of the many discos and find a chick that you like. If she does not have a steady job then she will surely take you up on that offer.[/QUOTE]I like this idea. But I would take a little time and vet them to make sure I wanted to spend that much time with them. I have to have insane chemistry with a girl before I spend anytime with them other than "naked time".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2817714]LOL. Or he could be on his way to Mars in a rocketship that he built in his backyard. Dude we are talking about Thailand here. I seriously doubt some guy that probably does not even have a 3rd grade education knows anything about a keystroke logger. These are simple, unsophisticated, farmer folks.[/QUOTE]I did not realize that individuals were very unsophisticated in the tech areas. I stand corrected.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2817735]I did not realize that individuals were very unsophisticated in the tech areas. I stand corrected.[/QUOTE]We were not talking about people in the tech area. We were talking about the boyfriend of the hooker that Ex was with that night.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2817682]Excellent plan! You should go to a place that works for you. The place that treats you best.
[/QUOTE]Thailand checks all my boxes except for "weather".

1 great food that's really cheap and easy to find.

2 really cheap and nice accommodations. Good mini-splits.

3 cheap foot massage / reflexology easy to find.

4 easy conversion back and forth for currency to gold.

5 don't even need car or motorbike with right choices.

6 good and plentiful healthcare.

7 safer than the USA.

8 bargirls or massage girls.

9 7-11 LOL.

10 you can operate and night and sleep during the day.

Its nice to feel loved.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2817714]LOL. Or he could be on his way to Mars in a rocketship that he built in his backyard. Dude we are talking about Thailand here. I seriously doubt some guy that probably does not even have a 3rd grade education knows anything about a keystroke logger. These are simple, unsophisticated, farmer folks.[/QUOTE]Agree. Some people VASTLY overestimate how smart the average thai person is because they have hustle or know a few cons to run on sexpats and tourists. Public education, especially outside of BKK and CM is atrocious.

Keylogger LOL.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2817673]He could have installed a keystroke logger on her computer. Or hacked her phone with software that gives him access to GPS location and might even be able to turn her phone into a broadcasting device.

[URL]https://youtu.be/uCyKcoDaofg[/URL]

This is not the stuff of Jason Bourne movies.[/QUOTE]Nope. I figured it out.

No way that a GPS would tell the boyfriend that his Tilac was in my condo, since he doesn't know where my condo is.

Much more likely the bargirl instructed the boyfriend to call me at a certain time, so she would have an excuse to leave early. They went to her home in Sattahip later that night, which would not have been possible if I had not paid her barfine. So, it was a scam to get her barfine paid so she could have a night off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2817714]LOL. Or he could be on his way to Mars in a rocketship that he built in his backyard. Dude we are talking about Thailand here. I seriously doubt some guy that probably does not even have a 3rd grade education knows anything about a keystroke logger. These are simple, unsophisticated, farmer folks.[/QUOTE]Its the 19 year old boyfriend of a 35 year old bargirl. Not exactly a hacker.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2818013]Its the 19 year old boyfriend of a 35 year old bargirl. Not exactly a hacker.[/QUOTE]Maybe not exactly a hacker.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2818012]Nope. I figured it out.

No way that a GPS would tell the boyfriend that his Tilac was in my condo, since he doesn't know where my condo is.

Much more likely the bargirl instructed the boyfriend to call me at a certain time, so she would have an excuse to leave early. They went to her home in Sattahip later that night, which would not have been possible if I had not paid her barfine. So, it was a scam to get her barfine paid so she could have a night off.[/QUOTE]But maybe little smarter (street) than some might think.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2817955]Agree. Some people VASTLY overestimate how smart the average thai person is because they have hustle or know a few cons to run on sexpats and tourists. Public education, especially outside of BKK and CM is atrocious..[/QUOTE]Laugh all you like. When others share, that is how I learn. When others laugh. Says more about them than the person being laughed at. I personally would prefer to over estimate my opponent and be wrong. Than to underestimate and pay those consequences. Far be if from me to tell all of the Thai experts anything. Home field advantage is nothing to be laughed at. But I have no problem keeping my mouth shut and just learning for now.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2817795]Thailand checks all my boxes except for "weather".

1 great food that's really cheap and easy to find.

2 really cheap and nice accommodations. Good mini-splits.

3 cheap foot massage / reflexology easy to find.

4 easy conversion back and forth for currency to gold.

5 don't even need car or motorbike with right choices.

6 good and plentiful healthcare.

7 safer than the USA.

8 bargirls or massage girls.

9 7-11 LOL.

10 you can operate and night and sleep during the day.[/QUOTE]Thailand is not safer than the USA. Number 7 is bunk. Relatively speaking, you are RICH and living in tourist areas. The same applies to USA if you are rich and living in areas that cater to rich, it is super safe. There are plenty of places in Thailand that you can get your head knocked off.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2818012]Nope. I figured it out.

Much more likely the bargirl instructed the boyfriend to call me at a certain time, so she would have an excuse to leave early. They went to her home in Sattahip later that night, which would not have been possible if I had not paid her barfine. So, it was a scam to get her barfine paid so she could have a night off.[/QUOTE]It happens to many of us. One of my regulars in Manila did something like that. I told her I will be there one day. She initially said she cannot be with me because it is her mother's birthday. Later she said she will stay with me. She wanted some food after she came to the room with no bag or change of clothes. I went out and got her food. After eating she wanted sex. As soon as we had sex she got a phone call from her mother. She said her mother is sick and she had to leave. I just gave half the daily allowance I normally give. She said she needs more to celebrate her mother's birthday. I told her a sick person will not be celebrating much and she left. No contact after that.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2818179]It happens to many of us. One of my regulars in Manila did something like that. I told her I will be there one day. She initially said she cannot be with me because it is her mother's birthday. Later she said she will stay with me. She wanted some food after she came to the room with no bag or change of clothes. I went out and got her food. After eating she wanted sex. As soon as we had sex she got a phone call from her mother. She said her mother is sick and she had to leave. I just gave half the daily allowance I normally give. She said she needs more to celebrate her mother's birthday. I told her a sick person will not be celebrating much and she left. No contact after that.[/QUOTE]Correct.

It's a variation of the "key" trick which the ladies use to get out of Long Time. They get a call, it's a friend who claims she needs a key to get into her room, but only your lady has the key. So your lady must leave.

I think the lady in my case has quit her job working bar and went home with her boyfriend. So I paid her barfine for her last night at her job at the bar.

After a very busy High Season, Pattaya is slipping into Low Season, albeit one that is busier than any previous Low Season.

For ladies working in Pattaya the first time, its pretty stunning to see their bar empty of customers.

However, I am still getting cancellations as ladies who beg me to come to my condo in the afternoon don't show because they found a Long Time customer the night before.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2818174]Thailand is not safer than the USA. Number 7 is bunk. Relatively speaking, you are RICH and living in tourist areas. The same applies to USA if you are rich and living in areas that cater to rich, it is super safe. There are plenty of places in Thailand that you can get your head knocked off.[/QUOTE]Not once in Thailand have I felt that I may be pushed off BTS platform.

I'm scared to go to Chicago, Detroit, NYC,. You know the drill.

Thailand just don't have the random crime. You actually have to do something to get Beaten up side the head.

Official Hottest girl on Soi 6 is Priew of desire.

I say official because she will sit with you in the Bar downstairs. Did not know if she Livestream girl only. The guy she was with was buying her rounds of drinks. In my twenty minutes I saw her get 2 rounds.

Looks nice.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2818174]Thailand is not safer than the USA. Number 7 is bunk. Relatively speaking, you are RICH and living in tourist areas. The same applies to USA if you are rich and living in areas that cater to rich, it is super safe. There are plenty of places in Thailand that you can get your head knocked off.[/QUOTE]Thailand is much safer than the US IMO and it's not even close. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though.

Thailand is much more safer than USA in general. In Thailand I only worry about pot holes in the sidewalks breaking my ankles plus Motorbikes running into me when I cross the streets. In my hometown we have homeless that are methedup' and begging for money along with shootings everyday.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2818194]After a very busy High Season, Pattaya is slipping into Low Season, albeit one that is busier than any previous Low Season.[/QUOTE]I'll be there in July and I am looking forward to a low season with hungry women everywhere.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2818296]I'll be there in July and I am looking forward to a low season with hungry women everywhere.[/QUOTE]There will be no lack of hungry bargirls in July.

Its still 50/50 now, I am still getting a high rate of cancellations (no-shows) by ladies who can't get away from long time customers.

I had one cancel this afternoon, so I went to Camel Toe to barfine a MILF. I forgot she is a squirter, so now I am laundering my bedcover.

She hopped on me for a fuck, but Cowboy got her exhausted in a minute.

I get a sob story message about once a day from some lady. It's basically their job, go through all of their Facebook friends and hit them up for money.

If they really need money, they will offer to fuck for money. If they are just working their list, they will tell a sad story and beg for money.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2817564]Some bars are full of girls but it's most of the time a Nightwish Group bar so you don't know what to expect with these girls.

Other bars have very few girls and most of the times older and unattractive.

Plus they are not good at attracting customers inside, they give a fake smile along a fake "hallooo welcomme" but if you don't give them your attention immediately their smile disappears instantly.[/QUOTE]News Alert: It's "low season" now. It will pickup in a few months. A lot of girls have gone home since there are so few customers. It's a cynical thing!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2818319]I get a sob story message about once a day from some lady. It's basically their job, go through all of their Facebook friends and hit them up for money.

If they really need money, they will offer to fuck for money. If they are just working their list, they will tell a sad story and beg for money.[/QUOTE]What are you paying on average for ST these days? And do you expect that number to drop come July to August?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2818296]I'll be there in July and I am looking forward to a low season with hungry women everywhere.[/QUOTE]You'll most probably find older and (or) unattractive girls everywhere, as we do right now.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2818249]Thailand is much more safer than USA in general. In Thailand I only worry about pot holes in the sidewalks breaking my ankles plus Motorbikes running into me when I cross the streets. In my hometown we have homeless that are methedup' and begging for money along with shootings everyday.[/QUOTE]Sounds familiar. The only two things that scare me in Pattaya are the sidewalks and soi dogs.

Is it worth getting line or is tf and whatsapp enough?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2818393]What are you paying on average for ST these days? And do you expect that number to drop come July to August?[/QUOTE]I rarely do ST, but it is 1000 baht when I do.

2000 baht for LT.

I had a lady come to my condo for LT, she was so jorny, she should have paid me. I was pretty drunk and ready to sleep, but she drilled me for 2 hours, switching between my dick and my mouth. She was begging me to fuck her ass, but I declined due to the drunk thing.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2818380]News Alert: It's "low season" now. It will pickup in a few months. A lot of girls have gone home since there are so few customers. It's a cynical thing![/QUOTE]Isn't High Season Dec. January. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2818411]You'll most probably find older and (or) unattractive girls everywhere, as we do right now.[/QUOTE]Can't dis- at gree here.

Hey all.

What's it like with weed being legal now. Are there bars that you can go to and get high?

Are there a lot of pot head chicks now that you can share gummies with?

I know it's illegal to consume in public places but what about say a balcony of your rented apartment?

Will eventually figure out for myself but info would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2818380]News Alert: It's "low season" now. It will pickup in a few months. A lot of girls have gone home since there are so few customers. It's a cynical thing![/QUOTE]News Alert: The talent in Pattaya is getting worse each years for the last 13 years at least, and it has nothing to do with that bullshit high and low season touristy argument.

You would have known it if you were not commenting from across the planet or based on a ten days trip each 4 years.

[QUOTE=Kontiki;2818509]Is it worth getting line or is tf and whatsapp enough?[/QUOTE]Line is a free application.

What would you risk downloading it on your smartphone?

It's the easiest way to got a girl's contact, once you've met the girl in real life or once you started talking with her on a meeting application (comparable to whatsapp but you don't have to give your phone number).

TF is different, it's an application to meet girls that you've never met before, and you have to pay to use it or you'll be limited to sending only one message per ten minutes (very annoying).

[QUOTE=Kontiki;2818509]Is it worth getting line or is tf and whatsapp enough?[/QUOTE]Get Line as most of the girls use that, Instagram is second and Whatsapp comes next. Some also have wechat but that's a risky one to install.

[QUOTE=Kontiki;2818509]Is it worth getting line or is tf and whatsapp enough?[/QUOTE]What do you mean worth getting? Line is free.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2818524]Isn't High Season Dec. January. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]In past years, everyone went home when Songkran ended. This year, May 1 was when everyone headed for the exits.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2818249]Thailand is much more safer than USA in general. In Thailand I only worry about pot holes in the sidewalks breaking my ankles plus Motorbikes running into me when I cross the streets. In my hometown we have homeless that are methedup' and begging for money along with shootings everyday.[/QUOTE]Your hometown must be quite the shit hole, very little of that nonsense where I am from in the USA.

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2818529]What's it like with weed being legal now. Are there bars that you can go to and get high?

Are there a lot of pot head chicks now that you can share gummies with?

I know it's illegal to consume in public places but what about say a balcony of your rented apartment?

Will eventually figure out for myself but info would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Pretty much the same as before but you can buy weed everywhere. No there are not a lot of pot head chicks. Most you will see is a foreign tourist or 2 inside of a coffee shop. They were supposed to be illegalizing it again.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2818523]I rarely do ST, but it is 1000 baht when I do.

2000 baht for LT.

I had a lady come to my condo for LT, she was so jorny, she should have paid me. I was pretty drunk and ready to sleep, but she drilled me for 2 hours, switching between my dick and my mouth. She was begging me to fuck her ass, but I declined due to the drunk thing.[/QUOTE]Those are some great price points. Especially it it includes 3 hole women.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2818536]News Alert: The talent in Pattaya is getting worse each years for the last 13 years at least, and it has nothing to do with that bullshit high and low season touristy argument.

You would have known it if you were not commenting from across the planet or based on a ten days trip each 4 years.[/QUOTE]Indeed the quality is continually going down but the overall value is still great. And you can still find the rare 8's and 9's although more likely in Bangkok. If you're someone that only wants extremely good looking women than BKK is a better option. For me, the convenience of Pattaya and affordability is nothing to sleep on.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2818539]Line is a free application.

What would you risk downloading it on your smartphone?

It's the easiest way to got a girl's contact, once you've met the girl in real life or once you started talking with her on a meeting application (comparable to whatsapp but you don't have to give your phone number).

TF is different, it's an application to meet girls that you've never met before, and you have to pay to use it or you'll be limited to sending only one message per ten minutes (very annoying).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Downandup;2818620]Get Line as most of the girls use that, Instagram is second and Whatsapp comes next. Some also have wechat but that's a risky one to install.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2818662]What do you mean worth getting? Line is free.[/QUOTE]Sorry that's my bad, my question was more related to how commonly it was used and based on your replies it seems to be a good idea to get, also a big fan of not having to give out my phone number for whatsapp usage, thanks for your help and sorry again for clumsy way I asked the question.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2818706]Those are some great price points. Especially it it includes 3 hole women.[/QUOTE]Not exactly.

Sometimes I have ladies come to my condo, but I don't fuck them. Sometimes because I pass out, sometimes due to the vibe of the lady. And sometimes because I am fucked out, and have another lady coming in a few hours who I know will seriously fuck.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2818706]Those are some great price points. Especially it it includes 3 hole women.[/QUOTE]Not hating but beware of good price points. Usually older with sag all over, skin texture long gone, plus size- you know the Drill.

Tomorrow I fly to Johol Bahru in Malaysia, to spend 2 days with a lady from Pattaya who works there. She worked in Pattaya as a taxi driver.

If I go somewhere to hook up with a lady, IF she doesn't have a man living with her, she can be quite horny. Conversely, if she has a man, she may try for a quick fuck at night, and then go home early. We'll see how this goes.

This thread is about how to get laid in Pattaya. Can you guys take the politics, red vs blue and associated bickering to a different thread? Thanks.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2818708]. If you're someone that only wants extremely good looking women than BKK is a better option. For me, the convenience of Pattaya and affordability is nothing to sleep on.[/QUOTE]I'm not.

A cute girl, not much experienced, over 160 cm and slim, all natural body and willing to please is fine by me.

So basically a reasonably good looking soi6 girl, who arrived in Pattaya a few weeks ago, with zero English and who doesn't ask more than 1 K baht would fit that category.

Bkk doesn't have much better looking working girls than Patts in my opinion, it's just the civilians that are better looking, but who cares about them?

It's very disheartening to see the current trend in bars in Pattaya. I was last in town in April and have a return booked in August. I also keep up on the city vibe by watching the daily video blogs on YouTube. It's sad to see a street like Soi 6 flooded with girls and nearly any customers. Not only that, but only a few of those girls are worth attention. I don't know how those bars make a profit if the girls are under contract. Don't even get me started on the go-go bar situation! There's no way in hell that I'm going to pay a 1500 baht bar fine, in addition to buying the girl a minimum of 5 or 6 girl drinks (as reported by a blogger), then another 3000 to 5000 for ST. That is just insane! The fact that the girls are being paid suck a lucrative contract gives no inventive for the girl to be barfined at all! Grant it, there still a few places where you can fine a seemingly fair 300 baht barfine and 1200ST, but those places are going by the wayside as more and more "gentleman's clubs and go-go bars keep popping up. Take LK Metro for example, two more go-gos have gone up in recent months (Las Vegas and LK Angels). All that aside, it is encouraging to hear that Soi MIT (the old one) is proposing 66 new beer bars, though I don't know where they'll find the girls to fill them. Personally, I'the like to see the city crack down on the go-gos with stiff taxes. I'm a beer bar kinda guy, always will be. Hope things are a bit improved by my next visit in August.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2819018]It's very disheartening to see the current trend in bars in Pattaya. I was last in town in April and have a return booked in August. I also keep up on the city vibe by watching the daily video blogs on YouTube. It's sad to see a street like Soi 6 flooded with girls and nearly any customers. Not only that, but only a few of those girls are worth attention. I don't know how those bars make a profit if the girls are under contract. Don't even get me started on the go-go bar situation! There's no way in hell that I'm going to pay a 1500 baht bar fine, in addition to buying the girl a minimum of 5 or 6 girl drinks (as reported by a blogger), then another 3000 to 5000 for ST. That is just insane! The fact that the girls are being paid suck a lucrative contract gives no inventive for the girl to be barfined at all! Grant it, there still a few places where you can fine a seemingly fair 300 baht barfine and 1200ST, but those places are going by the wayside as more and more "gentleman's clubs and go-go bars keep popping up. Take LK Metro for example, two more go-gos have gone up in recent months (Las Vegas and LK Angels). All that aside, it is encouraging to hear that Soi MIT (the old one) is proposing 66 new beer bars, though I don't know where they'll find the girls to fill them. Personally, I'the like to see the city crack down on the go-gos with stiff taxes. I'm a beer bar kinda guy, always will be. Hope things are a bit improved by my next visit in August.[/QUOTE]Business is a funny thing sometimes and can be affected by fads. It will take awhile for Pattaya to adjust to a new reality. GoGo bars seem to be the current fad and like all fads will eventually fade. I think the main problem for the future is the one you mentioned and that is girls. Demographics in Thailand has changed and not as many girls are available as in the past. I don't see Thailand opening it's borders to girls from other countries to legally work in the sex business, but police may look the other way for girls coming to Thailand illegally. Another problem is the supply of mongers and retirees will dwindle as us baby boomers die off.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2818843]Not hating but beware of good price points. Usually older with sag all over, skin texture long gone, plus size- you know the Drill.[/QUOTE]LOL yeah, you have to be very selective the cheaper you go, but expensive doesn't mean a better experience most times. There's a sweet spot one must find.

Last time I was there I found a nice and thick (not fat) one with an average face for 1,000 baht for ST. Always great service and she spoke great English so you could actually have a decent conversation. She was always very hygenic as well which seems to be less and less of a thing everytime I go to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2818907]I'm not.

A cute girl, not much experienced, over 160 cm and slim, all natural body and willing to please is fine by me.

So basically a reasonably good looking soi6 girl, who arrived in Pattaya a few weeks ago, with zero English and who doesn't ask more than 1 K baht would fit that category.

Bkk doesn't have much better looking working girls than Patts in my opinion, it's just the civilians that are better looking, but who cares about them?[/QUOTE]I agree about the optimal girl for ST. Seems like they all say they just started working in Pattaya LOL, not sure how to vet which ones are speaking truth.

Yes I was referring to civvies in regards to my comment about good better looking women in BKK. I may trade the non-TF dating apps next time I am in BKK to try and nab some civvies trying to make money on the side. Not sure I'll have the stomach for the work it requires when ST is so easy in Pattaya with many options. We'll see.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2819018]It's very disheartening to see the current trend in bars in Pattaya. I was last in town in April and have a return booked in August. I also keep up on the city vibe by watching the daily video blogs on YouTube. It's sad to see a street like Soi 6 flooded with girls and nearly any customers. Not only that, but only a few of those girls are worth attention. I don't know how those bars make a profit if the girls are under contract. Don't even get me started on the go-go bar situation! There's no way in hell that I'm going to pay a 1500 baht bar fine, in addition to buying the girl a minimum of 5 or 6 girl drinks (as reported by a blogger), then another 3000 to 5000 for ST. That is just insane! The fact that the girls are being paid suck a lucrative contract gives no inventive for the girl to be barfined at all! Grant it, there still a few places where you can fine a seemingly fair 300 baht barfine and 1200ST, but those places are going by the wayside as more and more "gentleman's clubs and go-go bars keep popping up. Take LK Metro for example, two more go-gos have gone up in recent months (Las Vegas and LK Angels). All that aside, it is encouraging to hear that Soi MIT (the old one) is proposing 66 new beer bars, though I don't know where they'll find the girls to fill them. Personally, I'the like to see the city crack down on the go-gos with stiff taxes. I'm a beer bar kinda guy, always will be. Hope things are a bit improved by my next visit in August.[/QUOTE]Between TF, GCs and the other cheap ST options one need not worry about prices. I wouldn't give my money to these overpriced bars and bar fines. In fact I've never bar fined unless one considers the 300-500 baht room fee to be a bar fine. Just stay away from WS and LK metro and let the Koreans, Japanese and Indians waste their hard earned money at those overpriced venues.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2819035]Business is a funny thing sometimes and can be affected by fads. It will take awhile for Pattaya to adjust to a new reality. GoGo bars seem to be the current fad and like all fads will eventually fade. I think the main problem for the future is the one you mentioned and that is girls. Demographics in Thailand has changed and not as many girls are available as in the past. I don't see Thailand opening it's borders to girls from other countries to legally work in the sex business, but police may look the other way for girls coming to Thailand illegally. Another problem is the supply of mongers and retirees will dwindle as us baby boomers die off.[/QUOTE]New Govt new atmosphere. I don't think Thai girls all of a sudden saw the light and said I'd rather work in a factory rather than an A-go-go. What happened is no foreigner girls were allowed in. Not an insignificant number.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2819018]It's very disheartening to see the current trend in bars in Pattaya. I was last in town in April and have a return booked in August. I also keep up on the city vibe by watching the daily video blogs on YouTube. It's sad to see a street like Soi 6 flooded with girls and nearly any customers. Not only that, but only a few of those girls are worth attention. I don't know how those bars make a profit if the girls are under contract. Don't even get me started on the go-go bar situation! There's no way in hell that I'm going to pay a 1500 baht bar fine, in addition to buying the girl a minimum of 5 or 6 girl drinks (as reported by a blogger), then another 3000 to 5000 for ST. That is just insane! The fact that the girls are being paid suck a lucrative contract gives no inventive for the girl to be barfined at all! Grant it, there still a few places where you can fine a seemingly fair 300 baht barfine and 1200ST, but those places are going by the wayside as more and more "gentleman's clubs and go-go bars keep popping up. Take LK Metro for example, two more go-gos have gone up in recent months (Las Vegas and LK Angels). All that aside, it is encouraging to hear that Soi MIT (the old one) is proposing 66 new beer bars, though I don't know where they'll find the girls to fill them. Personally, I'the like to see the city crack down on the go-gos with stiff taxes. I'm a beer bar kinda guy, always will be. Hope things are a bit improved by my next visit in August.[/QUOTE]I can explain the contract situation.

Say pacha has 50 girls last night. If every girl met the minimum to get the full 1,000 salary the bar would be on the Hook for $1,500. End of night bar only pays out $300. As most girls cannot meet minimum s.

The Bars are fine it's the Girls who aren't making money meThinks.

When I say fine the Bars are Surviving.

Like I keep saying no legit business man is going to pay an ugly girl 1,000 if she doesn't bring in any income.

My last night a few days ago at XS. I'd say there were quite a few Uglies, and a lot of almost Uglies. No offense.

Could I be not correct. Sure.

I saw tis on twitter a couple of days ago. The are posting alot of ads.

One of them want 500 for 30 minutes and the other one wants 600 for 30 minutes. That should tell you something about overpricing.

I regularly see young attractive girls selling 60 minutes for 1300-1600 baht. The kind of girls you would see in gogos.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2819018]It's very disheartening to see the current trend in bars in Pattaya.......[/QUOTE]I read ISG posts relating to all the countries in which I have partaken and in not one of them is the situation not getting worse. All I can say is I am happy I partook where and when I did. Enjoy the now guys for who knows what the future holds?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2819293]I saw tis on twitter a couple of days ago. The are posting alot of ads.[/QUOTE]thanks, maybe i'll try the twitter card next time.

Guys thanks for all your great help. I will go to Phuket in November via BKK and I'm starting to book hotels. Now I am undecided on whether spending a couple days in BKK or Pattaya. I am not going to visit temples, I am mostly interested in mongering. I have seen that in BKK there are some large bars or massage places with many girls like Poseidon or Thermae while Pattaya is more gogo bars. I am not the guy who can sit for 2 hrs in a bar talking broken English with a girl just to bed her later (paying). I'd rather prefer go straight to the business. On the other hand during the day I'd prefer to stay on the beach rather than in a hot overcrowded city. So can you knowledgeable people give me a suggestion? Thanks a lot.

Cla.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2819293]I saw tis on twitter a couple of days ago. The are posting alot of ads.

One of them want 500 for 30 minutes and the other one wants 600 for 30 minutes. That should tell you something about overpricing.

I regularly see young attractive girls selling 60 minutes for 1300-1600 baht. The kind of girls you would see in gogos.[/QUOTE]Are these gogo quality girls at 1,300-1,600 baht you speak of in Pattaya or the outskirts somewhere?

[QUOTE=Fifino68;2819357]Guys thanks for all your great help. I will go to Phuket in November via BKK and I'm starting to book hotels. Now I am undecided on whether spending a couple days in BKK or Pattaya. I am not going to visit temples, I am mostly interested in mongering. I have seen that in BKK there are some large bars or massage places with many girls like Poseidon or Thermae while Pattaya is more gogo bars. I am not the guy who can sit for 2 hrs in a bar talking broken English with a girl just to bed her later (paying). I'd rather prefer go straight to the business. On the other hand during the day I'd prefer to stay on the beach rather than in a hot overcrowded city. So can you knowledgeable people give me a suggestion? Thanks a lot.

Cla.[/QUOTE]I think you answered your question within your question. Pretty obvious where you should go.

November is some six months away, seems way too early to book. I only book the first few days of my trip ahead of time and wing it from there once I've stayed at a hotel (s) to see how I like it, and even that booking is just a month perhaps in advance.

[QUOTE=Fifino68;2819357]Guys thanks for all your great help. I will go to Phuket in November via BKK and I'm starting to book hotels. Now I am undecided on whether spending a couple days in BKK or Pattaya. I am not going to visit temples, I am mostly interested in mongering. I have seen that in BKK there are some large bars or massage places with many girls like Poseidon or Thermae while Pattaya is more gogo bars. I am not the guy who can sit for 2 hrs in a bar talking broken English with a girl just to bed her later (paying). I'd rather prefer go straight to the business. On the other hand during the day I'd prefer to stay on the beach rather than in a hot overcrowded city. So can you knowledgeable people give me a suggestion? Thanks a lot.

Cla.[/QUOTE]Hey brother I live in Pattaya not there now as I'm on vacation but I can help you out. It seems from what you wrote that you would like Pattaya more. I mean you said you want to be on a beach that's in Pattaya also don't want to talk just straight to sex go to soi 6 or a massage shop on soi Honey.

[QUOTE=Fifino68;2819357]Guys thanks for all your great help. I will go to Phuket in November via BKK and I'm starting to book hotels. Now I am undecided on whether spending a couple days in BKK or Pattaya. I am not going to visit temples, I am mostly interested in mongering. I have seen that in BKK there are some large bars or massage places with many girls like Poseidon or Thermae while Pattaya is more gogo bars. I am not the guy who can sit for 2 hrs in a bar talking broken English with a girl just to bed her later (paying). I'd rather prefer go straight to the business. On the other hand during the day I'd prefer to stay on the beach rather than in a hot overcrowded city. So can you knowledgeable people give me a suggestion? Thanks a lot.

Cla.[/QUOTE]In Pattaya you can find countless massage places, beer bars and Gentlemens Clubs where you can quickly get down to business.

Now while Pattaya has a decent beach to sun bathe / relax, the water is not really clean enough to do any swimming IMO.

[QUOTE=Fifino68;2819357]Guys thanks for all your great help. I will go to Phuket in November via BKK and I'm starting to book hotels. Now I am undecided on whether spending a couple days in BKK or Pattaya. I am not going to visit temples, I am mostly interested in mongering. I have seen that in BKK there are some large bars or massage places with many girls like Poseidon or Thermae while Pattaya is more gogo bars. I am not the guy who can sit for 2 hrs in a bar talking broken English with a girl just to bed her later (paying). I'd rather prefer go straight to the business. On the other hand during the day I'd prefer to stay on the beach rather than in a hot overcrowded city. So can you knowledgeable people give me a suggestion? Thanks a lot.

Cla.[/QUOTE]Go to the beach in Jomtien during the day. Go to Soi 6 at night.

The most frequent complaint here is that prices are going up, and the ladies aren't as beautiful as before.

I first read such posts here in 2004, but I suspect that customers have been writing such posts since forever.

There are literally thousands of bars in the Jomtien area, and tens of thousands of ladies. If you are not happy with the selection, the ladies are not the problem.

One of the downsides of being in Pattaya for many years is watching the ladies age.

One lady I barfined in 2018 is now 30+ and is showing her age, making the transition from hot gogo dancer to grandmother while I watch.

Their body tone disappears after they hit 30.

The only good part about ladies aging is that some get a lot hornier. Some ladies I knew when they were younger would do a purely professional session, but now they are insatiable and will fuck until they drop.

[QUOTE=Fifino68;2819357]Guys thanks for all your great help. I will go to Phuket in November via BKK and I'm starting to book hotels. Now I am undecided on whether spending a couple days in BKK or Pattaya. I am not going to visit temples, I am mostly interested in mongering. I have seen that in BKK there are some large bars or massage places with many girls like Poseidon or Thermae while Pattaya is more gogo bars. I am not the guy who can sit for 2 hrs in a bar talking broken English with a girl just to bed her later (paying). I'd rather prefer go straight to the business. On the other hand during the day I'd prefer to stay on the beach rather than in a hot overcrowded city. So can you knowledgeable people give me a suggestion? Thanks a lot..[/QUOTE]Pattaya is more than just mostly go go's. I was just in Pattaya (May 2023) and there are plenty of massage places (too many count), freelancers and many other options there. You can be busy day and night.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2819452]The most frequent complaint here is that prices are going up, and the ladies aren't as beautiful as before.

I first read such posts here in 2004, but I suspect that customers have been writing such posts since forever.

There are literally thousands of bars in the Jomtien area, and tens of thousands of ladies. If you are not happy with the selection, the ladies are not the problem.[/QUOTE]I've been lurking this forum for years and I have read posts complaining about the pricing year after year in various different country threads. Of course things are not going to stay as cheap as they once were, the world experiences inflation and values always change, is the way I see it. Also, it's not like you're paying anywhere near the same amount of money you'd pay in the US (which I assume most of us on the forum are from) for the same caliber of woman. The going rate for 45 minutes with an Asian massage therapist in Central Florida costs $240 USD and you get at most 2 pops, I never do it because I got spoiled with my mongering trips out of the country. Think about what you can do with $240 mongering in other countries, not just Thailand. I've been to South America many times and I could get a 9/10 (for me of course, we all have different tastes) woman straight out of the university all night and still have at least $140 left over if I don't bother negotiating much. I don't know anything about Thailand as my trip is planned for much later this year, but I am excited to experience it for the first time, but from what I have seen, $240 USD can go a long way.

[QUOTE=Md955;2819824]I've been lurking this forum for years and I have read posts complaining about the pricing year after year in various different country threads. Of course things are not going to stay as cheap as they once were, the world experiences inflation and values always change, is the way I see it. Also, it's not like you're paying anywhere near the same amount of money you'd pay in the US (which I assume most of us on the forum are from) for the same caliber of woman. The going rate for 45 minutes with an Asian massage therapist in Central Florida costs $240 USD and you get at most 2 pops, I never do it because I got spoiled with my mongering trips out of the country. Think about what you can do with $240 mongering in other countries, not just Thailand. I've been to South America many times and I could get a 9/10 (for me of course, we all have different tastes) woman straight out of the university all night and still have at least $140 left over if I don't bother negotiating much. I don't know anything about Thailand as my trip is planned for much later this year, but I am excited to experience it for the first time, but from what I have seen, $240 USD can go a long way.[/QUOTE]My biggest mongering problem in Pattaya is fucking too much, not money and not lack of ladies. I still have not learned to pace myself, so sometimes I overbook ladies (2000 baht for Long Time). I just can't handle 3 sessions a day anymore, physically or mentally.

The complainers here maybe misbooked their destinations and stayed in Pattani, not Pattaya.

About civvies: there really are ladies in Pattaya who don't go with customers. They may work at 7/11, but not bars. They know the score, but may be loved up with a Thai man.

Occassionally, I get one who needs money, and offers to go with me. This requires some due diligence by me, since the last thing I want is a scene with a lady crying in my condo.

If I suspect that she is a true civvie, I might take her drinking at a bar and see how she reacts. Or bring a second, known lady along. In the latter case, when the second lady inevitably gets naked, and sticks my dick in the mouth of the new lady, then the rubber hits the road.

Note: since I live in Pattaya, I may see any particular lady for years. So a little due diligence is well worth the investment.

Another note: the flip side is true for bargirls. Some ladies are Short Time experts, but can't handle two hours with a customer, they get antsy. I'm not really a ST guy, so I try to weed them out.

[QUOTE=Md955;2819824]I've been lurking this forum for years and I have read posts complaining about the pricing year after year in various different country threads. Of course things are not going to stay as cheap as they once were, the world experiences inflation and values always change, is the way I see it. Also, it's not like you're paying anywhere near the same amount of money you'd pay in the US.[/QUOTE]Two things you are missing in your analysis. First, nobody is complaining that pussy price has gone up. We all know how inflation works. The problem is the price increase in relation to everything else is not justifiable. As I have said time and time again, my rent has been the exact same for 14 years, which means these chicks' rent has also remained the same. There are not too many things that have increased price here besides gasoline, which may add only a few baht to some goods. However I am still paying the same 1000 baht for a taxi from the airport. Yesterday the driver stopped and filled up with natural gas for 180 baht. It has been at least 10 years since I have taken the bus from Ekamai to Pattaya. Back then I think I paid 118 baht. Today it is 131 baht, not 400 baht.

I also had a freelancer that I met on Thai Friendly come over all night for 1000. (She came at 1030 pm last night and went home at 7 am when I headed out to exercise.) I think the largest increase on anything over the years (besides pussy) has to be foreign brand cigarettes. They used to be 70 baht, but are now I think 120 baht due to increased government taxes in the name of trying to get people to stop smoking. There is actually no justification for the prices for chicks at gogo bars or whatever to have gone up 3 and 4 fold.

Next, what you pay for something in one place has nothing to do what you pay for something in another place. In a reverse comparison, the same $90,000 BMW in the USA costs $180,000 in Thailand. Should I go down to the stealership in Bangkok and tell them but I can get this car for half as much in America? They would probably want to know what that has to do with buying one in Thailand, which is not a damn thing, the same thing with paying for pussy in America has zero to do with paying for it in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Md955;2819824]I've been lurking this forum for years and I have read posts complaining about the pricing year after year in various different country threads. Of course things are not going to stay as cheap as they once were, the world experiences inflation and values always change, is the way I see it. Also, it's not like you're paying anywhere near the same amount of money you'd pay in the US (which I assume most of us on the forum are from) for the same caliber of woman. The going rate for 45 minutes with an Asian massage therapist in Central Florida costs $240 USD and you get at most 2 pops, I never do it because I got spoiled with my mongering trips out of the country. Think about what you can do with $240 mongering in other countries, not just Thailand. I've been to South America many times and I could get a 9/10 (for me of course, we all have different tastes) woman straight out of the university all night and still have at least $140 left over if I don't bother negotiating much. I don't know anything about Thailand as my trip is planned for much later this year, but I am excited to experience it for the first time, but from what I have seen, $240 USD can go a long way.[/QUOTE]I'm in the US but this is a world forum so I wouldn't assume we are mostly Americans in the Pattaya forum. I'd give credit to the Aussies, British, and Asians that dominate this sector. Don't pay much attention to the grumbling over prices because it's the same grumbling heard about all prices everywhere. My local pizza joint wants $35 for an "everything" pizza and I ain't taking out a loan to get one LOL.

[QUOTE=Md955;2819824]I've been lurking this forum for years and I have read posts complaining about the pricing year after year in various different country threads. Of course things are not going to stay as cheap as they once were, the world experiences inflation and values always change, is the way I see it. Also, it's not like you're paying anywhere near the same amount of money you'd pay in the US (which I assume most of us on the forum are from) for the same caliber of woman. The going rate for 45 minutes with an Asian massage therapist in Central Florida costs $240 USD and you get at most 2 pops, I never do it because I got spoiled with my mongering trips out of the country. Think about what you can do with $240 mongering in other countries, not just Thailand. I've been to South America many times and I could get a 9/10 (for me of course, we all have different tastes) woman straight out of the university all night and still have at least $140 left over if I don't bother negotiating much. I don't know anything about Thailand as my trip is planned for much later this year, but I am excited to experience it for the first time, but from what I have seen, $240 USD can go a long way.[/QUOTE]You will have blast. Thailand is an amazing place. You may not be able to have a model at discount prices but there are plenty of nice looking women at bargain prices who will work hard to make you happy. Just relax and go with the flow.

[QUOTE=Md955;2819824] in the US (which I assume most of us on the forum are from)

[/QUOTE]Not sure why you'd assume that -- we come from all over. Some live in places (like parts of Europe) where sex can be quite cheap, but the quality of the providers and the service doesn't compare to SE Asia. And some of us live in the this part of the world, so we don't look at prices in relative terms. But if that's what you pay in the US these days, yes, you'll be very happy here.

It appears that this club is a bit off the "road well traveled", but thought I would toss the name out there and see if anyone had any "recent" experiences they wanted to share about this establishment.

TIA.

Sky.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2819452]The most frequent complaint here is that prices are going up, and the ladies aren't as beautiful as before.

I first read such posts here in 2004, but I suspect that customers have been writing such posts since forever.

There are literally thousands of bars in the Jomtien area, and tens of thousands of ladies. If you are not happy with the selection, the ladies are not the problem.[/QUOTE]I agree that I have been reading those posts for many years now. It is the same for the threads for almost all the other mongering countries. It is just one of those topics that lingers forever.

Guys always compare it to the good old days. One reason why those days are gone is cheaper airfare and the Internet. The Internet has quickly spread the word about cheap sex with young attractive girls and more guys come to that country due to cheaper flights. More guys means more competition for the young attractive girls. Supply and demand dynamics usually means that the prices will go up and the young attractive girls will become harder to find because more guys are looking for them.

When that happens, and it is not what you like, that means it is time for you to move on to another place where there is less mongers. Clearly that place is not Pattaya, one of the most popular places for mongers in the world.

Been to Pattaya many times only with GF so never had chance to solo explore. This is going to be my first time.

I was wondering if there is short time room in those go go bars?

Do I have to buy lady drink first?

Or I can Straight proceed to do deed?

[QUOTE=Md955;2819824]I've been lurking this forum for years and I have read posts complaining about the pricing year after year in various different country threads. Of course things are not going to stay as cheap as they once were, the world experiences inflation and values always change, is the way I see it. Also, it's not like you're paying anywhere near the same amount of money you'd pay in the US (which I assume most of us on the forum are from) for the same caliber of woman. The going rate for 45 minutes with an Asian massage therapist in Central Florida costs $240 USD and you get at most 2 pops, I never do it because I got spoiled with my mongering trips out of the country. Think about what you can do with $240 mongering in other countries, not just Thailand. I've been to South America many times and I could get a 9/10 (for me of course, we all have different tastes) woman straight out of the university all night and still have at least $140 left over if I don't bother negotiating much. I don't know anything about Thailand as my trip is planned for much later this year, but I am excited to experience it for the first time, but from what I have seen, $240 USD can go a long way.[/QUOTE]Indeed, $240 a day in a place like Pattaya has you living like you are in the top five percent. Realistically, one only needs to budget around $100 a day whilst in Pattaya.

Room: $20-$40, for a mid tier hotel.

Food and coffee: $10-$15.

Daily massage: $10.

ST: $40.

Of course you can make it as cheap or expensive as you want. There's days when I'm in Pattaya and I don't even session, almost like a break day and just eat good and get a Thai massage and a foot massage.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2819851]Two things you are missing in your analysis. First, nobody is complaining that pussy price has gone up. We all know how inflation works. The problem is the price increase in relation to everything else is not justifiable. As I have said time and time again, my rent has been the exact same for 14 years, which means these chicks' rent has also remained the same. There are not too many things that have increased price here besides gasoline, which may add only a few baht to some goods. However I am still paying the same 1000 baht for a taxi from the airport. Yesterday the driver stopped and filled up with natural gas for 180 baht. It has been at least 10 years since I have taken the bus from Ekamai to Pattaya. Back then I think I paid 118 baht. Today it is 131 baht, not 400 baht.

I also had a freelancer that I met on Thai Friendly come over all night for 1000. (She came at 1030 pm last night and went home at 7 am when I headed out to exercise.) I think the largest increase on anything over the years (besides pussy) has to be foreign brand cigarettes. They used to be 70 baht, but are now I think 120 baht due to increased government taxes in the name of trying to get people to stop smoking. There is actually no justification for the prices for chicks at gogo bars or whatever to have gone up 3 and 4 fold..[/QUOTE]Well said. I'd also add that the issue with prices going up for ST / LT is that the quality seems to continually go down. Just walk around the Buakhow area and you'll see mostly avg to below avg looking women and most overweight. Having said that, Pattaya is still awesome and will remain my mongering destination of choice until another country pops up that can provide what Pattaya provides (safety, value, beach, convenience, endless food options for cheap, etc.).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2819851]Two things you are missing in your analysis. First, nobody is complaining that pussy price has gone up. We all know how inflation works. The problem is the price increase in relation to everything else is not justifiable.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And the prices asked from tourists are one step above what is asked from the locals. A women that would be happy with 1000 baht from a thai customer, want 1500-2000 from a tourist. And that is why you just say that you pay max 1000, or 1500 for a younger and cuter one. Check the sideline webpages. See what thais are paying. I have seen several gogo-class girls receiving customers for 30 minutes a 1000 baht. 1500 for 60 minutes. Older ladies get less.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2820009]Been to Pattaya many times only with GF so never had chance to solo explore. This is going to be my first time.

I was wondering if there is short time room in those go go bars?

Do I have to buy lady drink first?

Or I can Straight proceed to do deed?[/QUOTE]Hi,

First question: yes, but these are not gogo bars, these places are bars with girls working inside.

Second question: no, but expect to be rejected by some girls (even if you buy them drinks first). One way to reject you politely is to ask a higher price to fuck her (like 3 K or up).

Third question: yes with some of the girls.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2820115]I have seen several gogo-class girls receiving customers for 30 minutes a 1000 baht. 1500 for 60 minutes. Older ladies get less.[/QUOTE]It doesn't make sense to refer to good looking girls as gogo-class girls.

Most gogos are filled with more than 5 O% of unattractive girls, a good bunch of average girls (these two categories are the ones that most customers finish with) and a handfull of good looking girls only.

So which category are you referring to? Obviously not the last one.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2819980]It appears that this club is a bit off the "road well traveled", but thought I would toss the name out there and see if anyone had any "recent" experiences they wanted to share about this establishment.

TIA.

Sky.[/QUOTE]Pictures of their lineup on social media are not encouraging unless you like 35 and up.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2820009]Been to Pattaya many times only with GF so never had chance to solo explore. This is going to be my first time.

I was wondering if there is short time room in those go go bars?

Do I have to buy lady drink first?

Or I can Straight proceed to do deed?[/QUOTE]No need to. I never do. I discuss the cost and if she does what I want and then decide to go upstairs or not.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2820205]No need to. I never do. I discuss the cost and if she does what I want and then decide to go upstairs or not.[/QUOTE]I need to amend that. I also don't buy a drink for myself either, as I am not there to drink. Some years ago I wanted to take a girl upstairs in one the Soi 6 bars in the middle of the soi (don't remember the name but probably one of the Nightwish bars). I was told by the cashier that I had to buy a drink for myself, so I bought a beer (the first time I was ever asked to buy a drink). Then she said I had to buy the girl a drink, so I said no and left. Don't know if that bar is still requiring buying yourself and the girl a drink. If so, just refuse and walk out.

I'm back in Pattaya for hopefully most or all of the summer.

As I get older, the flight over from the US East coast gets more challenging- both in terms of handling the 26-30 hour flight duration and the 11 hour jet lag time zone displacement. Science* says that one day of recovery is required for every time zone crossed and I've found this to be true. European / Aussie mongers will not experience this problem and think us American's soft but I assure you the struggle is real. I spent my "recovery" time in high energy trekking type stuff in other SEA countries which was probably not wise in some ways but turned out ok. I arrived in Pattaya more or less recovered from the circadian displacement. My plan for future trips is to break the flight up with a day or so in Doha or Dubai, or even 3 or 4 in Istanbul.

I'm not sure if much is all that changed from this time last year- if anything it does seem a bit more energized and populated, but in some ways it really doesn't. More investigation is warranted. My Hotel Manager friend says they had a great "extended season" but come June his bookings have dropped off a cliff and the prices will go down. I'm staying at a high-mid range hotel in the Buakhao area but will switch to one of my favored long term hotels in a week or so.

On Thai Friendly, girls are now asking 1500-2000 as a start rather than 1000-1500. I'm happy letting most of the 2000 hang in the wind- many of these girls are not in touch with reality with other girls of similar caliber asking for 1500. When things get slow soon I'm sure their tune will change.

I started things off with a 24 yr old spinner from TF who asked 1500 which I accepted. She was in my range of the type of girl I like: small, slender, age 30 or below, face probably a 6. 8 on the controversial scale (I like face range 6. 5-8. 5). Body perfect for me- petite, small pert tits, tight ass, tight in general. At 1500 I don't ask ahead about BBFSCIP, etc and figure I can just get a blowjob and won't feel bad about spending that amount of money. If I agree to 1700 or more I will make sure BBFS is on offer. The girl was actually on time, which really threw me off. I already had a chubb in reception when they took her ID. No chitchat at all- after a quick shower she gave an ok BJ but was really great when we switched to sex with pretty intense eye contact. I could tell she was enjoying herself. No condom discussed, required, etc and I ended up CIP in Cowgirl, which is my preferred method. She lingered there for a while after I unloaded 2 weeks of saved cum into her tight pussy pinning me down with my dick in her becoming deflated, enamored of me in the moment- cum dripping out. She said for me she could do long-time for 2000.

Girls from previous trips are pinging me on line and there is plentiful action on TF. I'm headed out tonight for round two at some GC's. With such good fun to be had for 1500-2000 I'm not sure why guys are blowing 4-5 times that getting hosed at GoGo's. Everyone does it their own way and that's a beautiful thing.

RS.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2820278]With such good fun to be had for 1500-2000 I'm not sure why guys are blowing 4-5 times that getting hosed at GoGo's. Everyone does it their own way and that's a beautiful thing.

RS.[/QUOTE]Maybe share some pictures of that girl or her TF profile and you'll probably get some responses as to why.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2820009]Been to Pattaya many times only with GF so never had chance to solo explore. This is going to be my first time.

I was wondering if there is short time room in those go go bars?

Do I have to buy lady drink first?

Or I can Straight proceed to do deed?[/QUOTE]Think of GoGo Bars sort of like strip clubs. The only difference is there is a higher chance you might get to buy the girl out for short time versus at a strip club.

I think all your questions relate to beer bars on Soi 6 and not Gogo Bars. They're different from each other.

At beer bars thats how it works - buy your drinks, ask Mamasan for ST room. done

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2820278]As I get older, the flight over from the US East coast gets more challenging- both in terms of handling the 26-30 hour flight duration and the 11 hour jet lag time zone displacement.

My hotel manager friend says they had a great "extended season" but come June his bookings have dropped off a cliff and the prices will go down. I'm staying at a high-mid range hotel in the Buakhao area but will switch to one of my favored long term hotels in a week or so.

I started things off with a 24 yr old spinner from TF who asked 1500 which I accepted. She was in my range of the type of girl I like: small, slender, age 30 or below, face probably a 6.[/QUOTE]I start my trips from the same time zone and I've tangled with the same jet lag. Here's what works for me.

No alcohol during the flight to Thailand. I realize some gents start the holiday clock upon arriving at their hometown airport, and I realize lots of guys use central nervous system depressants of various types to aid sleep while flying. But that just doesn't work for me.

Instead I choose a flight that departs after sundown and I skip the proffered meal. After a few hours, I'm usually tired enough to at least doze a bit. During the layover I again stay sober and limit my snacking to a light bite. The second flight is more difficult because I'm anxious to arrive, but squirming doesn't make the jet fly any faster.

I touchdown in Bangkok around dawn, and the sunrise wakes me up enough to handle the formalities and to get into one of Nam's taxis. The excitement builds during the drive, and I'm usually wide awake by the time we arrive in Pattaya. That gives me several hours of energy to get settled in, to lay in some supplies and to have a bite of lunch. Always at the J. Daeng, by the way. There's just something about being at ground zero in central Pattaya that screams HOLIDAY.

As the afternoon wears on it's the middle of the night on my body clock and it's easy to take a combat nap. The secret is to set the alarm for around sunset, lest my schedule shift into total vampire mode. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) The first night I'm tempted to go hard. But that's a rookie move. A few drinks and a few laughs with the usual suspects, then perhaps a quick snack and I'm back in bed.

I know I'll bolt awake around dawn, but that's fine. The key is to get outside and walk to breakfast - preferably staying outdoors while dining. For the next few days I still need an afternoon snooze. But usually after three or four days I'm on Pattaya time.

Good to see Mr. Sopheni posting again. I look forward to his take on the ground truth during the low season.

Bunky

Walked in front of Helicopter bar in soi6 this evening and noticed a few Nightwish girls inside.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's now a Nighwish bar too.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2820169]It doesn't make sense to refer to good looking girls as gogo-class girls.

Most gogos are filled with more than 5 O% of unattractive girls, a good bunch of average girls (these two categories are the ones that most customers finish with) and a handfull of good looking girls only.

So which category are you referring to? Obviously not the last one.[/QUOTE]I'm not Hating on anyone. No offense.

It is apparent some think a girl is a girl is a girl, when it come to looks.

Weird. All same same. Weird.

I doubt a Girl who can regularly get 2,000 from Mr Nakamura from Japan is also servicing Mr Somchai from Nakhon Nowhere for 1,000.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2820278]I'm back in Pattaya for hopefully most or all of the summer.

As I get older, the flight over from the US East coast gets more challenging- both in terms of handling the 26-30 hour flight duration and the 11 hour jet lag time zone displacement. Science* says that one day of recovery is required for every time zone crossed and I've found this to be true. European / Aussie mongers will not experience this problem and think us American's soft but I assure you the struggle is real. I spent my "recovery" time in high energy trekking type stuff in other SEA countries which was probably not wise in some ways but turned out ok. I arrived in Pattaya more or less recovered from the circadian displacement. My plan for future trips is to break the flight up with a day or so in Doha or Dubai, or even 3 or 4 in Istanbul.

I'm not sure if much is all that changed from this time last year- if anything it does seem a bit more energized and populated, but in some ways it really doesn't. More investigation is warranted. My Hotel Manager friend says they had a great "extended season" but come June his bookings have dropped off a cliff and the prices will go down. I'm staying at a high-mid range hotel in the Buakhao area but will switch to one of my favored long term hotels in a week or so..[/QUOTE]From my observation guys are not getting Hosed at gogos spending 4-5 times what you spent.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2820285]Maybe share some pictures of that girl or her TF profile and you'll probably get some responses as to why.[/QUOTE]Price tells me all I need to know. No offense. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2820278]I'm back in Pattaya for hopefully most or all of the summer.

As I get older, the flight over from the US East coast gets more challenging- both in terms of handling the 26-30 hour flight duration and the 11 hour jet lag time zone displacement. Science* says that one day of recovery is required for every time zone crossed and I've found this to be true. European / Aussie mongers will not experience this problem and think us American's soft but I assure you the struggle is real. I spent my "recovery" time in high energy trekking type stuff in other SEA countries which was probably not wise in some ways but turned out ok. I arrived in Pattaya more or less recovered from the circadian displacement. My plan for future trips is to break the flight up with a day or so in Doha or Dubai, or even 3 or 4 in Istanbul..[/QUOTE]I'm on the west coast and it ends up being about the same amount of time for us crossing the pacific and connecting primarily through Japan, the trip ends up being around 30 hours to BKK. In addition, it consists of three flights for me as I don't live near an international hub.

Good to hear things are still well like last year in Pattaya.

Looking forward to your reports.

Pattaya gets this post. Has more action here. Same as Bangkok.

You meet a 3. 5 looker in a Bar.

1. Get married soon?

2. Front $5,000 so she can start a bussiness.

3. Buy a $2,300 scooter, neither of you has a Driver's License.

4. Day after buying scooter get upset she gets a new tattoo, say $100.

5. Agree to $15,000 sin soot.

6. Imply to said Bargirl and her family real estate will be bought soon after marriage.

7. Bought gold,. Not know value.

Would anyone do 1 above let alone all 7?

SUSpendas on you tube. Part of Ice Poseidon s crew. Using crew lightly. Maybe better to say he knows Ice.

Yes he is stupid. No offense.

Wears fake Gucci Outfits. Funny.

Invented the word Jawns. Girls.

[QUOTE=JagerMister;2820312]

At beer bars thats how it works - buy your drinks, ask Mamasan for ST room. done[/QUOTE]I'm a non-drinker, 1st time visiting. Can I just enter and ask for ST room?

Thailand vet, but Pattaya rookie. Done some research, and while nothing is as good as first hand experience, would like to get opinions about MClub if anyone has one to share. I have heard Heaven is a fun G club, but I have also heard they have had a name change. Any information is appreciated!

TIA.

Sky.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2820115]Exactly. And the prices asked from tourists are one step above what is asked from the locals. A women that would be happy with 1000 baht from a thai customer, want 1500-2000 from a tourist. And that is why you just say that you pay max 1000, or 1500 for a younger and cuter one. Check the sideline webpages. See what thais are paying. I have seen several gogo-class girls receiving customers for 30 minutes a 1000 baht. 1500 for 60 minutes. Older ladies get less.[/QUOTE]My understanding as to the prices at go- go's was because of the bars paying girls on 10 - 30 day contracts, they have to increase the barfine and sometimes require you buy the girl a required number of lady bar drinks to complete the deal. That's the bars break even pricing. That said, the 8 - 10 rated girls have always been able to command higher ST and LT fares.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2820438]
I doubt a Girl who can regularly get 2,000 from Mr Nakamura from Japan is also servicing Mr Somchai from Nakhon Nowhere for 1,000.[/QUOTE]A girl getting big bucks is likely to have a live in Thai boyfriend who she gives money to.

For a Thai man to pay money for sex in Pattaya would be rare.

[QUOTE=TopRahul83;2820510]I'm a non-drinker, 1st time visiting. Can I just enter and ask for ST room?[/QUOTE]You go into the bar, and order a Coke. Pick a lady, buy her a drink. Then discuss ST with her.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2820442]I'm on the west coast and it ends up being about the same amount of time for us crossing the pacific and connecting primarily through Japan, the trip ends up being around 30 hours to BKK. In addition, it consists of three flights for me as I don't live near an international hub.

Good to hear things are still well like last year in Pattaya.

Looking forward to your reports.[/QUOTE]I have the flight from Hell coming up.

Air Nippon LAX. NRT middle seat. I would pay money for an upgrade, but no can do.

Arrive in BKK at 04.30 AM.

I will be zonked for a week upon arrival.

There is a recent emergence on this thread of a group of High Price Purists who are collectively authoring and endorsing an idea that we could call High Price Purity. Let me see if I can briefly Straw-Man the argument- 95% of Pattaya girls are not worth wasting one's time with, the 5% that are acceptable are to be found primarily in top tier GoGo Bars and that the seemingly high prices they command are worth it considering that all the rest is untouchable refuse.

Corollary to this is the idea that any girl that falls within the ST 1500-2000 range is sure to be unattractive and that the Monger in question has low standards and should be ridiculed. Mr Chan Chalupa and Mr Paolo99 please chime in and tell me where I've got your views wrong here because I readily admit it's a Straw Man for rhetorical effect.

I find it interesting, on LATAM threads there usually is pressure from the board to brag about securing low prices with mongers gaming their reported prices down to impress the Peanut Gallery. Here (for the moment) it seems to be now reversed- with a pressure to report higher prices indicating status, taste, and discernment. I will not speculate about what is generating this dynamic, but will at least agree that most of the girls in Pattaya are completely no-go (to be polite), but that means little since there are just so many women.

I'm posting photos below of one GOYAa1 on TF who is asking 5000- to which I politely declined. For one, she seems like a real unpleasant person (if she's even the one running her TF), and I'm not the type that likes Dominatrixes or getting pegged, etc. I will not give her a number on the controversial 1-10 scale, but I think most will agree she's pretty hot. This to me, is no guarantee of a fun time- with many things that could go wrong, from requiring all covered service, to being a cold and bad lay- the potential for a total wash is there and while 5000 is not a lot to me, I'd rather get 4 BJ's at a GC than have one experience, that even if it did go right, might not be any more fun.

And that's the bottom line- did the monger have fun? It could be that for the High Price Purist, part of the fun is paying top dollar and that is central to his matrix of stimulation. He needs that ego boost to enjoy the sex. On the other end, the bargain hunter is looking to be ahead on the deal and that feeling gives him power. I would say I fall in the middle- I don't want a girl that is too hot (I need to be able to believe she's into me), but I need her to be fuckable by my standards (which are as I've said- petite, slim, face on 6. 5-8. 5 range). I think 1500-2500 is reasonable for this ask. I don't need to bargain hunt and sort through refuse at below 1500, but I don't want to pay more and feel like I'm getting ripped off. Please let me know what I've got wrong here Mr CC and P99, I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2820742]There is a recent emergence on this thread of a group of High Price Purists who are collectively authoring and endorsing an idea that we could call High Price Purity. Let me see if I can briefly Straw-Man the argument- 95% of Pattaya girls are not worth wasting one's time with, the 5% that are acceptable are to be found primarily in top tier GoGo Bars and that the seemingly high prices they command are worth it considering that all the rest is untouchable refuse.

Corollary to this is the idea that any girl that falls within the ST 1500-2000 range is sure to be unattractive and that the Monger in question has low standards and should be ridiculed. Mr Chan Chalupa and Mr Paolo99 please chime in and tell me where I've got your views wrong here because I readily admit it's a Straw Man for rhetorical effect.

I find it interesting, on LATAM threads there usually is pressure from the board to brag about securing low prices with mongers gaming their reported prices down to impress the Peanut Gallery. Here (for the moment) it seems to be now reversed- with a pressure to report higher prices indicating status, taste, and discernment. I will not speculate about what is generating this dynamic, but will at least agree that most of the girls in Pattaya are completely no-go (to be polite), but that means little since there are just so many women.

I'm posting photos below of one GOYAa1 on TF who is asking 5000- to which I politely declined. For one, she seems like a real unpleasant person (if she's even the one running her TF), and I'm not the type that likes Dominatrixes or getting pegged, etc. I will not give her a number on the controversial 1-10 scale, but I think most will agree she's pretty hot. This to me, is no guarantee of a fun time- with many things that could go wrong, from requiring all covered service, to being a cold and bad lay- the potential for a total wash is there and while 5000 is not a lot to me, I'd rather get 4 BJ's at a GC than have one experience, that even if it did go right, might not be any more fun.

And that's the bottom line- did the monger have fun? It could be that for the High Price Purist, part of the fun is paying top dollar and that is central to his matrix of stimulation. He needs that ego boost to enjoy the sex. On the other end, the bargain hunter is looking to be ahead on the deal and that feeling gives him power. I would say I fall in the middle- I don't want a girl that is too hot (I need to be able to believe she's into me), but I need her to be fuckable by my standards (which are as I've said- petite, slim, face on 6. 5-8. 5 range). I think 1500-2500 is reasonable for this ask. I don't need to bargain hunt and sort through refuse at below 1500, but I don't want to pay more and feel like I'm getting ripped off. Please let me know what I've got wrong here Mr CC and P99, I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure I've been saying lower priced girls, aka as 1,000 bathters are highly unattractive.

I'm pretty sure I've been saying Pretty girls are not found on Soi 6. Corollary to that they don't cost 1,000 baht.

Judging by looks yes a looker at Palace is worth 3 x a 1 k Soi 6 girl.

I still don't get how you price a girl other than by looks.

You take a 500 beach road girl who rockers your world. She is a 3 by the way. Do you pay her next time 1,500 for performance or do you still pay 500 because she still kinda Ugly. Hahaha.

We all want safe and fun. At value.

Soi 6 1's, 2's,and 3's. 1 k and below is fair price.

Yes there are 1's,. Quite a few. Hahaha and no offense.

4's, 5's, 6's, and once in a blue moon 7's,. Fair price over 1 k to 2. 5 k short time. You can find these where ever you find them.

The real pretty are in the usual places. 3 k.

What distort s the 3 k girls is the outrageous barfine of 2 k-2. 5 k. No value in these girls.

Could I be wrong sure. If I am I'm missing out on Hotties at 1,ooo. My bad.

Are there places on site, upstairs, or next door, where I can take the girl from the gogo bar for a ST??

Something that is cheaper than renting a hotel room for the night just for the girl.

I don't want to bring back the girl to my hotel.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2820736]For a Thai man to pay money for sex in Pattaya would be rare.[/QUOTE]Wrong.

Only 1% of them might have it easy with the girls.

Others are stuck with an annoying wife and dreaming of banging the young ones or paying for it as anyone else.

I don't even talk about the ones that fuck nothing or developped perverse mentallity like stealing underwears or putting cameras in the girls toilets.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2820742]I'm posting photos below of one GOYAa1 on TF who is asking 5000- to which I politely declined. [/QUOTE]I messaged her when I was there in September and she wanted 3000 for ST. Had I known I was getting a bargain, I might have taken her up on it. Not.

She was also rude to me when we were messaging; she called me cheap because I didn't jump at the chance to overpay her.

How long is a typical short time / long time?

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2820477]Pattaya gets this post. Has more action here. Same as Bangkok.

You meet a 3. 5 looker in a Bar.

1. Get married soon?

2. Front $5,000 so she can start a bussiness.

3. Buy a $2,300 scooter, neither of you has a Driver's License.

4. Day after buying scooter get upset she gets a new tattoo, say $100.

5. Agree to $15,000 sin soot.

6. Imply to said Bargirl and her family real estate will be bought soon after marriage.

7. Bought gold,. Not know value.

Would anyone do 1 above let alone all 7?

SUSpendas on you tube. Part of Ice Poseidon s crew. Using crew lightly. Maybe better to say he knows Ice.

Yes he is stupid. No offense.

Wears fake Gucci Outfits. Funny.

Invented the word Jawns. Girls.[/QUOTE]Your list is nothing 1-7 7-100, I've known guys to do 100 times worse, and guess what you try to help them they tell you "You don't know her " then they turn around and blame you not only that they talk about others whole do the same as if they don't do it themselves! Then there are guys who don't learn the first time and do a repeat of your list like twice but throughout their stay here. Using the word stupid is being kind I want to use retard, moron but I have a nephew who has Down syndrome and I know for a fact he is smarter than some of these guys.

There are guys retired here that have a great pension and live in a cheap room off Soi Buakhow, borrowing money broke because they give it all away each month to some girl that they don't even see, back up in their farms I wanted to say to him you gave how much and how much you give every month, how long have you've known her and what you only fucked her a few times.

It takes all kinds and there are plenty in the world and then there are plenty in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2820739]I have the flight from Hell coming up.

Air Nippon LAX. NRT middle seat. I would pay money for an upgrade, but no can do.

Arrive in BKK at 04.30 AM.

I will be zonked for a week upon arrival.[/QUOTE]I have a hard and fast rule for myself, any flight more than 5 hours I will only take it if I have aisle seat. Takes a lot of pre-planning well ahead of time to adhere to this rule but it makes flying much easier. I'm tall so I need that leg room that an aisle seat provides. Plus I get up and move around a lot.

Good luck with the middle seat, that's going to be a looooong flight.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2820817]There are plenty of clubs dedicated to Thai customers where paying is the norm, there are plenty of love motels where Thai's are the primary users. Drive you car in and they pull a curtain behind it.

This is even more common in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Thai bars are generally for drinks only. Offsite action is arranged in the bar, for after hours, but it's not that common.

Yeah, I know of some Love motels, but they aren't that common.

Thai men who pay for sex in Pattaya are few and far between.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D79kNCNJBes[/URL]

Rate this girl. Scroll to 6:14. Her name RIRI.

Earlier I wrote about an idiot. 1-7 cited examples. This is the EVIL girl. Hahahaha.

I said earlier I rate her 3. 5. Ill be nicer and now say 4. 00.

WHAT SAY YOU? Would you pay her 1,000 or 3,000 short time? No barfine, just her FEE.

Whenever I go through TF profiles, almost invariably the following happens: as soon as I click on the profile of a girl who looks like moderately skinny, she metamorphoses into a chunky girl on her other pics. She's the same girl all right, nothing to say about that, only she is the fat girl version of what she looked like on her profile pic.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2820915]I have a hard and fast rule for myself, any flight more than 5 hours I will only take it if I have aisle seat. Takes a lot of pre-planning well ahead of time to adhere to this rule but it makes flying much easier. I'm tall so I need that leg room that an aisle seat provides. Plus I get up and move around a lot.

Good luck with the middle seat, that's going to be a looooong flight.[/QUOTE]My flight back to Thailand is so bad that I am not scheduling any ladies for the first few days after I arrive back in Pattaya.

I arrived in Mexico yesterday, and am severely jetlagged, even though I flew Business class over the Pacific. Flying back to Thailand in a middle seat in Economy is going to kill me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821130]True. And knowing that you are getting the exact same thing, would you rather be the person that paid more or the one that paid less? If anyone can advise me on how to pay less for something of equal or greater value, then I take no offense, instead I am all ears.

Just like massages. Everybody knows that getting a massage on Beach Road or Walking Street will be 300 baht. Go back to Soi Buakhao and they will be 200 baht. Go a little further to where I live off 3rd Road and you will pay 150 baht. Who would get bent out of shape over someone telling them where they could get the same massage for cheaper, the way some guys get bent out of shape by someone telling them how they could fuck literally the same girl for cheaper.[/QUOTE]You don't quit so neither will I.

Take a look at number 8 desire Bar live stream, Priew. Definitely able to pull 3,000 on Beach Road.

Take 999 others on Beach Road. Only way they pull 3,000 is 10 Indians in one session. No offense. LOL. Hahaha.

Only drawback on Priew is her Boobies size might be lacking just a bit.

I do not understand this crazy ass Thai Friendly. Why do I keep getting later likes from chicks I have already talked to? Is the site doing it on its own or are the girls clicking me again? In some cases that I get a later like, the girl has made another profile (because I click message and there is nothing there from our previous conversation). I guess it is nothing that really needs to be understood. Just fuck whoever you come to an agreement with.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2821119]I've been sampling some of the gentlemen's clubs in the Buakhao area and Bongkot. Saw one of my providers from last Summer at Badabing. Sampled some talent at Screamers on Soi Boomerang, a cute new girl age 20 with a beautiful smile but no CIM. Excite Club looked decent but too busy. Club Fate on Boomerang consistently disappoints- no bange-able girls. Slutz on Boomerang was dead. Trying to pace myself. I feel like there might even be less punters on the ground now than this time last year. Most girls are complaining about a lack of customers.[/QUOTE]Thanks to Mr. Sopheni for the quick update on what's available in central Pattaya for those guys looking to expand their horizons beyond the often-reviewed places on Soi LK Metro and Soi Honey. It would appear the closed-front bars on Soi Boomerang are worth a visit, even though the selection can be hit or miss.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bunky;2821276]Thanks to Mr. Sopheni for the quick update on what's available in central Pattaya for those guys looking to expand their horizons beyond the often-reviewed places on Soi LK Metro and Soi Honey. It would appear the closed-front bars on Soi Boomerang are worth a visit, even though the selection can be hit or miss.[/QUOTE]Another name for these is Gentlemen's Clubs.

These are becoming more and more popular. They are not as downscale as BJ bars.

I visited [B]Walking Street[/B] yesterday (nice to see that the sidewalk has been repaired finally) in order to see once again with my own eyeballs the specimen much vaunted in these parts- the ethereal and nymph like GoGo girl- possessed of great beauty- the rarest and purest of all gems in the murky earth of untouchable fugly Pattaya gremlins. And I got to say boys- nothing special on hand. Maybe a few lookers at Pinup. But for the most part-drumroll- looked a lot like Soi 6, but maybe on a low carb diet with better makeup application. It gave me the inspiration for a post and the idea underlying it is that on the margins, yes, it is true, the top talent can be quarried in the WS GoGos', but the bulk of our prey is pretty much in the fat hump of the bell curve all around. As a rule, South East Asian girls will have slimmer and more petite builds than other areas, and that is factored in here. Leaving aside the issues of cost, High Price Puritanism and Bargain Chasings, let me give you my breakdown of where the looks fall for the Pattaya Looks Maxxer.

[B]WS GoGos[/B]

Most girls are average or slim, fatties uncommon. Average looks 6. 5, with 1/20 8 or above. Nines 1/50. Selection of girls youngest.

[B]LK Metro GoGos[/B]

Most girls are average or slim, fatties uncommon. Average looks 6, with 1/30 8 or above. Nines 1/70.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

Most girls have an average physique. Fatties are common. Average looks 5, with 1/40 8 or above. No Nines. Younger girls are on the northside of the street, with 30-35 age more common on the southside of the street.

[B]Gentlemans Clubs[/B]

Most Girls have an average physique. Fatties exist, but not as common as Soi 6. Average looks 5, with 1/50 8 or above. No nines, skews 5-8 years older in age than Soi 6.

[B]Thai Friendly[/B]

(I cannot comment on age or physique because I pre-filter for my preferred slim build and age).

Average Looks 5. 5, with 1/30 8 or above. Nines 1/50. Some rare plus- nines.

[B]Beer Bars[/B]

Most girls have below average physique. Fatties are very common. Average looks 4, 1/100 8 or above. No nines or above. Age range is the oldest here with most "girls" 30-45.

[B]Beach Road[/B]

Most girls have an average physique. Fatties common (less so than Beer Bars for some reason though). Average looks 4, 1/150 8 or above. No nines. Age range slightly below Beer Bars.

Again- for the most part in any of these categories the distributions are within the average deciles. Your average Soi 6 girl is pretty similar to your average WS Go Go Girl. On the margins the talent is qualitatively better in a WS GoGo, but it will take work to search, compete, isolate, and execute.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2821458]I visited [B]Walking Street[/B] yesterday (nice to see that the sidewalk has been repaired finally) in order to see once again with my own eyeballs the specimen much vaunted in these parts- the ethereal and nymph like GoGo girl- possessed of great beauty- the rarest and purest of all gems in the murky earth of untouchable fugly Pattaya gremlins. And I got to say boys- nothing special on hand. Maybe a few lookers at Pinup. But for the most part-drumroll- looked a lot like Soi 6, but maybe on a low carb diet with better makeup application. It gave me the inspiration for a post and the idea underlying it is that on the margins, yes, it is true, the top talent can be quarried in the WS GoGos', but the bulk of our prey is pretty much in the fat hump of the bell curve all around. As a rule, South East Asian girls will have slimmer and more petite builds than other areas, and that is factored in here. Leaving aside the issues of cost, High Price Puritanism and Bargain Chasings, let me give you my breakdown of where the looks fall for the Pattaya Looks Maxxer.

[B]WS GoGos[/B]

Most girls are average or slim, fatties uncommon. Average looks 6. 5, with 1/20 8 or above. Nines 1/50. Selection of girls youngest.

[B]LK Metro GoGos[/B]

Most girls are average or slim, fatties uncommon. Average looks 6, with 1/30 8 or above. Nines 1/70.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

Most girls have an average physique. Fatties are common. Average looks 5, with 1/40 8 or above. No Nines. Younger girls are on the northside of the street, with 30-35 age more common on the southside of the street.

[B]Gentlemans Clubs[/B]

Most Girls have an average physique. Fatties exist, but not as common as Soi 6. Average looks 5, with 1/50 8 or above. No nines, skews 5-8 years older in age than Soi 6.

[B]Thai Friendly[/B]

(I cannot comment on age or physique because I pre-filter for my preferred slim build and age).

Average Looks 5. 5, with 1/30 8 or above. Nines 1/50. Some rare plus- nines.

[B]Beer Bars[/B]

Most girls have below average physique. Fatties are very common. Average looks 4, 1/100 8 or above. No nines or above. Age range is the oldest here with most "girls" 30-45.

[B]Beach Road[/B]

Most girls have an average physique. Fatties common (less so than Beer Bars for some reason though). Average looks 4, 1/150 8 or above. No nines. Age range slightly below Beer Bars.

Again- for the most part in any of these categories the distributions are within the average deciles. Your average Soi 6 girl is pretty similar to your average WS Go Go Girl. On the margins the talent is qualitatively better in a WS GoGo, but it will take work to search, compete, isolate, and execute.[/QUOTE]Nice breakdown of what's on offer at the various Pattaya hot spots.

Any astute gentlemen who spends enough time in Pattaya and acclimates to what is on offer comes to the conclusion that all the value is found on Soi 6 and at GC's, BJ bars and TF.

LK, WS and the other similar establishments / areas charge many times what the aforementioned places charge for essentially the same thing, with some dimes mixed in to make you think you are getting something superior to the other spots. Perplexing how so many men fall for this.

Watching footage on YT of the various areas of interest in Pattaya seems to confirm this as well. Mostly average to slightly average women with some dimes mixed in irregardless of where the footage is shot.

As they say in the land of smiles, "same same, but different na. ".

Watching footage on YT of Beach Road it looks like there are a ton of FLers on Beach Road these days and some of them look half decent and appear to quote 1 k Baht. Can any boots on the ground confirm the Beach Road situation.

I had seen a news story recently that police were attempting cutting down on FLers on Beach Road, but all seems to be busy per YT videos.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2821458]I visited [B]Walking Street[/B] yesterday (nice to see that the sidewalk has been repaired finally) in order to see once again with my own eyeballs the specimen much vaunted in these parts- the ethereal and nymph like GoGo girl- possessed of great beauty- the rarest and purest of all gems in the murky earth of untouchable fugly Pattaya gremlins. And I got to say boys- nothing special on hand. Maybe a few lookers at Pinup. But for the most part-drumroll- looked a lot like Soi 6, but maybe on a low carb diet with better makeup application. It gave me the inspiration for a post and the idea underlying it is that on the margins, yes, it is true, the top talent can be quarried in the WS GoGos', but the bulk of our prey is pretty much in the fat hump of the bell curve all around. As a rule, South East Asian girls will have slimmer and more petite builds than other areas, and that is factored in here. Leaving aside the issues of cost, High Price Puritanism and Bargain Chasings, let me give you my breakdown of where the looks fall for the Pattaya Looks Maxxer...[/QUOTE]Good assessment.

Soy 6. Lots of 1's ,2's, in 3's. Much more than can be explained by normale Bell Curve.

Guarantee in 2099 prices will be 1,000 baht. No offense.

I'm actually taking a liking to Soi 6.

Good choice of girls even at such an early hour. I walked up to a girl who reponded to my gaze at Roxy Bar. It took some repeating for my penny to drop on what she was on about, not only because I'm especially hard of hearing in a noisy environment, but because I was not accustomed to having girls haggle over price upfront at Soi 6: she was ok to go upstairs but she wanted 1500 for herself. This must have been my very first time paying a girl 1500 instead of 1000 at Soi 6. If this the new normal at soi 6 for girls who tick my boxes, so be it.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2821502]

Any astute gentlemen who spends enough time in Pattaya and acclimates to what is on offer comes to the conclusion that all the value is found on Soi 6 and at GC's, BJ bars and TF.

LK, WS and the other similar establishments / areas charge many times what the aforementioned places charge for essentially the same thing, with some dimes mixed in to make you think you are getting something superior to the other spots. Perplexing how so many men fall for this..[/QUOTE]This is my mode of operation exactly- but I will say in defense of the big spenders (as we are trying to be non-judgmental and avoid Price Shaming) - it makes sense for a man with deep pockets who exclusively wants the 8+ to come in and pay the Premium at the GoGo. If that's what he wants and can afford it- then there really is no issue in using the money to cut down time on sorting the options. Some people (not myself) also enjoy the atmosphere and circus like party ambience of the GoGo club and will pay premium for this experience as well. But make no mistake, it is the Premium experience and everything that implies.

I'm here 10 weeks or so and like to have sex twice a day so I do things different, let's call it Premium Economy.

[QUOTE=XXL;2821572]Good choice of girls even at such an early hour. I walked up to a girl who reponded to my gaze at Roxy Bar. It took some repeating for my penny to drop on what she was on about, not only because I'm especially hard of hearing in a noisy environment, but because I was not accustomed to having girls haggle over price upfront at Soi 6: she was ok to go upstairs but she wanted 1500 for herself. This must have been my very first time paying a girl 1500 instead of 1000 at Soi 6. If this the new normal at soi 6 for girls who tick my boxes, so be it.[/QUOTE]The selection was great yesterday. This feels like almost the Golden Moment- punters are thinning out but the same number of girls remain as High Season. It will be even more Golden when they start catching on that Season Prices are no longer a thing. I give it 3 weeks.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2821594]The selection was great yesterday. This feels like almost the Golden Moment- punters are thinning out but the same number of girls remain as High Season. It will be even more Golden when they start catching on that Season Prices are no longer a thing. I give it 3 weeks.[/QUOTE]Soi6 is busier the weekends, that's probably why you've seen a good selection yesterday.

During the week days the selection is not as good.

And I don't think they will lower their prices in the next few weeks, they tend to be picky (at least the good looking ones) and are far from being desperate to lower their price tags.

[QUOTE=XXL;2821572]Good choice of girls even at such an early hour. I walked up to a girl who reponded to my gaze at Roxy Bar. It took some repeating for my penny to drop on what she was on about, not only because I'm especially hard of hearing in a noisy environment, but because I was not accustomed to having girls haggle over price upfront at Soi 6: she was ok to go upstairs but she wanted 1500 for herself. This must have been my very first time paying a girl 1500 instead of 1000 at Soi 6. If this the new normal at soi 6 for girls who tick my boxes, so be it.[/QUOTE]There's a girl that I come and meet quite often in that bar these last weeks, I've spent some time in the bar and think they have a good selection of girls compared to other bars on soi6.

Many customers come in, have a drink with the cuties and leave empty handed. I've never seen the good lookers going upstairs with a guy.

The bar can be busy at times with so many guys pulling the horn, there is no incentive for these girls to go upstairs.

1500 is already the norm it seems, most of the girls I've talked to started at that price, one even wouldn't consider anything below 2 k.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2821546]Watching footage on YT of Beach Road it looks like there are a ton of FLers on Beach Road these days and some of them look half decent and appear to quote 1 k Baht. Can any boots on the ground confirm the Beach Road situation.

I had seen a news story recently that police were attempting cutting down on FLers on Beach Road, but all seems to be busy per YT videos.[/QUOTE]I can confirm BR is busy from about 18:00 on. Sometimes there is some quality in there but mostly not for me.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2821603]And I don't think they will lower their prices in the next few weeks, they tend to be picky (at least the good looking ones) and are far from being desperate to lower their price tags.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are fewer girls interested in working in the bars as the economy is so good that there's plenty of other work available. Therefore the supply of girls is lower and all the bars are competing for staff, they have to offer bigger salaries to fill the bar and that's sufficient money so that the girls don't need to go with customers unless they want to make a little extra.

Selection of what is Great on the sixth Soi.

Number of Girls has never been a Problem there. Lots to select from.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2821603]Soi6 is busier the weekends, that's probably why you've seen a good selection yesterday.

During the week days the selection is not as good.

And I don't think they will lower their prices in the next few weeks, they tend to be picky (at least the good looking ones) and are far from being desperate to lower their price tags.[/QUOTE]This could be true. Alas, Pussyflation. Curious, are you here at the moment?

"Shampoo".

Slutz Boomerang GC.

Sloppy Deepthroat, CIM.

This girl loves to slob on knob, loves to eat cum, and has one of the biggest tongues I've seen.

All yours for 1000+ 200 room. Go get it.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2821680]"Shampoo".

Slutz Boomerang GC.

Sloppy Deepthroat, CIM.

This girl loves to slob on knob, loves to eat cum, and has one of the biggest tongues I've seen.

All yours for 1000+ 200 room. Go get it.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/SLUTZgc/photos[/URL] listed?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2821631]Yes, there are fewer girls interested in working in the bars as the economy is so good that there's plenty of other work available. Therefore the supply of girls is lower and all the bars are competing for staff, they have to offer bigger salaries to fill the bar and that's sufficient money so that the girls don't need to go with customers unless they want to make a little extra.[/QUOTE]Actually, I rarely hear about a bargirl who retires to get a real job. Out in the real world, monthly salary for someone who hasn't graduated is 10,000 - 15,000. A bargirl can make that in a 10 day contract.

Most bargirls only retire IF:

They don't have customers.

Get knocked up.

Marry a Farang.

Get a sponsor who demands they leave Pattaya (and checks).

Marry a Thai man with money.

Mother too sick to take care of her kids.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2821631]Yes, there are fewer girls interested in working in the bars as the economy is so good that there's plenty of other work available. Therefore the supply of girls is lower and all the bars are competing for staff, they have to offer bigger salaries to fill the bar and that's sufficient money so that the girls don't need to go with customers unless they want to make a little extra.[/QUOTE]The market is currently screwed up. Too many bars opened at the tail end of High Season, all employing bargirls who missed most of High Season. Now these bars are suffering and the ladies are bored and poor.

I don't understand why bar owners can't wait until October to open new bars.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2821703][URL]https://www.facebook.com/SLUTZgc/photos[/URL] listed?[/QUOTE]Girl on the left:

[URL]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0jExf41QHshB1LwXBzNJALzy7qFkNmattx2cbo2jvqTmM8BisobvgkFgMh1LEHMuSl&id=100083024934260&mibextid=Nif5oz[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2821603]Soi6 is busier the weekends, that's probably why you've seen a good selection yesterday.

During the week days the selection is not as good.

And I don't think they will lower their prices in the next few weeks, they tend to be picky (at least the good looking ones) and are far from being desperate to lower their price tags.[/QUOTE]I think we need to get a little deeper into low season before the price of ass drops. At some point in June or July that should come to fruition.

I've stayer at at least ten different hotels in Pattaya over the years and keep tabs on how much they are on Agoda every month. In the last week I've noticed a significant price drop which is a good sign for those of you currently out there and I think by July we'll see another ten percent plus drop.

The dollar is also starting to gain strength again against the Baht and I could see that peak point of strength this summer and early fall just as it was last year.

August to September is looking like the sweet spot for me for visiting Thailand.

I am traveling to Pattaya from Toronto next month. Any recommendations for a good escort?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2821591]This is my mode of operation exactly- but I will say in defense of the big spenders (as we are trying to be non-judgmental and avoid Price Shaming) - it makes sense for a man with deep pockets who exclusively wants the 8+ to come in and pay the Premium at the GoGo. If that's what he wants and can afford it- then there really is no issue in using the money to cut down time on sorting the options. Some people (not myself) also enjoy the atmosphere and circus like party ambience of the GoGo club and will pay premium for this experience as well. But make no mistake, it is the Premium experience and everything that implies.

I'm here 10 weeks or so and like to have sex twice a day so I do things different, let's call it Premium Economy.[/QUOTE]I have no problem with the big spenders, to each their own. Personally, I'm a value driven man when it comes to all aspects of life and so I like to find the sweet spot for quality and value. Most of us coming from the west can be big spenders whilst in Pattaya if we really wanted, but it doesn't appeal to me. Furthermore, like yourself, I travel for months at a time and therefore don't live the two week millionaire life that most Pattaya mongers do.

The great thing about Pattaya is you can spend as little or as much as you want on food, accommodations and women; I tend to fall in the middle range of what I spend.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2817289]555, another dreamer.[/QUOTE]He is a Wall Street guru, can you see it? LOL.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2821723]Girl on the left:

[URL]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0jExf41QHshB1LwXBzNJALzy7qFkNmattx2cbo2jvqTmM8BisobvgkFgMh1LEHMuSl&id=100083024934260&mibextid=Nif5oz[/URL][/QUOTE]1. YUCK.

2. appropriately priced.

3. Haha. Serious Bro?

4. You probably could have Bargained down a bit.

No Offense.

3.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2821713]Actually, I rarely hear about a bargirl who retires to get a real job. Out in the real world, monthly salary for someone who hasn't graduated is 10,000 - 15,000. A bargirl can make that in a 10 day contract.

Most bargirls only retire IF:

They don't have customers.

Get knocked up.

Marry a Farang.

Get a sponsor who demands they leave Pattaya (and checks).

Marry a Thai man with money.

Mother too sick to take care of her kids.[/QUOTE]I guess you are looking in the wrong place. Tons of chicks go right back to the farming that they came from. Same as someone going out to Hollywood to make it. It is not fail in Hollywood and become an investment banker or strike it rich in another area instead. It is fail in Hollywood and go back home to the same menial job you came from. Can make and will make are 2 different things.

If covid taught anything at any of these mongering places, I thought it would be that the chicks do not need to be hookers the way many mongers thought. But it seems that couple of years is glanced right over.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2821715]The market is currently screwed up. Too many bars opened at the tail end of High Season, all employing bargirls who missed most of High Season. Now these bars are suffering and the ladies are bored and poor.

I don't understand why bar owners can't wait until October to open new bars.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that bars should only be seasonal? If they open new bars in October as you suggest, what are they to do come May? I can't understand why they would open a bar in the first place. Massage parlor, coffee stand, tattoo shop, weed shop, restaurant, mall, or any of the other things that this place is oversaturated with for that matter.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2821756]I think we need to get a little deeper into low season before the price of ass drops. At some point in June or July that should come to fruition.

I've stayer at at least ten different hotels in Pattaya over the years and keep tabs on how much they are on Agoda every month. In the last week I've noticed a significant price drop which is a good sign for those of you currently out there and I think by July we'll see another ten percent plus drop.
[/QUOTE]Unfortunately all that says is the price of a hotel is going down. It says nothing about how much money chicks are going to want to fuck. Not correlated at all. As a matter of fact I would be surprised of a place that you told me hookers used to want more money, now they want less.

Or maybe you are speaking from a purely exchange rate point of view. And if you are, it is not like you will be saving tons if you stay away. 1000 baht at 36 baht per USD is $27.78. 1000 baht at 34 baht per USD is $29.41. Not really worth it to forego a trip because you are waiting to pay $1. 63 less for a hooker.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2821792]Personally, I'm a value driven man when it comes to all aspects of life and so I like to find the sweet spot for quality and value. Most of us coming from the west can be big spenders whilst in Pattaya if we really wanted, but it doesn't appeal to me. Furthermore, like yourself, I travel for months at a time and therefore don't live the two week millionaire life that most Pattaya mongers do.

The great thing about Pattaya is you can spend as little or as much as you want on food, accommodations and women; [/QUOTE]I am the same way. Having always been able to get pussy, I just don't put as much value in it as some other guys. I am not going to be overjoyed and 3 times as satisfied by paying 3000 baht to fuck one chick as paying another 1000 baht. Hell, I have a free chick sleeping in my bed right now. I have never met a chick that I have just had to have so I have no problem stepping over to the next. I was DJing in a strip club in high school, so this gogo stuff along with the prices does not excite me at all.

[QUOTE=Superhero1;2821760]I am traveling to Pattaya from Toronto next month. Any recommendations for a good escort?[/QUOTE]I didn't know escorts in Pattaya were a thing. I guess you could check out ThaiFriendly.

Better to just go into a bar and select a bargirl yourself. There are about 25,000 to choose from.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2821713]Actually, I rarely hear about a bargirl who retires to get a real job.[/QUOTE]Maybe, but it's harder to get girls to start.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2821715]I don't understand why bar owners can't wait until October to open new bars.[/QUOTE]It's different if you are taking over an established business but if you are starting a new bar then low season is a good time to open as it gives you time to get set up properly. I have heard stories from bar owners on another board and there's a lot of prep work in opening a bar and once opened there's still more to do as it's never complete. Something else that they might have to deal with is people not working out, the managers, cashiers or mamsan not measuring up or moving on.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2821715]....I don't understand why bar owners can't wait until October to open new bars.[/QUOTE]In business you always strike while the iron's hot.

[QUOTE=TopRahul83;2820510]I'm a non-drinker, 1st time visiting. Can I just enter and ask for ST room?[/QUOTE]No one cares as long as you pay the bar fine. Buy a Coke.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2820779]Are there places on site, upstairs, or next door, where I can take the girl from the gogo bar for a ST??

Something that is cheaper than renting a hotel room for the night just for the girl.

I don't want to bring back the girl to my hotel.[/QUOTE]There definitely are. Most of the beer bars will have some rooms above. Thats included in the bar fine. I also once asked a girl I met at Lucifer to find a ST room because I was sharing the room with a friend and he was already busy banging someone else in the room. So the girl took me to a hotel in the Walking street area. I don't remember what I paid but it was for 2 hrs.

On one visit, I ended up seeing a girl from Sabai Dee and she asked me to move in with her at her place for the remainder of my trip since my hotel ended up being a shitty place.

Most of the times the girls know where to go if you don't want to go back to your hotel room.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2821861]1. YUCK.

2. appropriately priced.

3. Haha. Serious Bro?

4. You probably could have Bargained down a bit.

No Offense.

3.[/QUOTE]I am proud to receive the Chan Chalupa Seal of Disapproval.

Give me your recs CC, I want to see what gets the Chalupa Gordo.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821910]Unfortunately all that says is the price of a hotel is going down. It says nothing about how much money chicks are going to want to fuck. Not correlated at all. As a matter of fact I would be surprised of a place that you told me hookers used to want more money, now they want less.

Or maybe you are speaking from a purely exchange rate point of view. And if you are, it is not like you will be saving tons if you stay away. 1000 baht at 36 baht per USD is $27.78. 1000 baht at 34 baht per USD is $29.41. Not really worth it to forego a trip because you are waiting to pay $1. 63 less for a hooker.[/QUOTE]The way my work schedule is I won't be able to make it out to Thailand until August or so. So I'm just looking at the financial benefits that happens to entail, however miniscule it may be.

If a girl on TF says she has no line, that translates to "I have a BF who thinks I quit freelancing".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821905]I guess you are looking in the wrong place. Tons of chicks go right back to the farming that they came from. Same as someone going out to Hollywood to make it. It is not fail in Hollywood and become an investment banker or strike it rich in another area instead. It is fail in Hollywood and go back home to the same menial job you came from. Can make and will make are 2 different things.

If covid taught anything at any of these mongering places, I thought it would be that the chicks do not need to be hookers the way many mongers thought. But it seems that couple of years is glanced right over.[/QUOTE]Correct. If a bargirl can't attract customers, she will go home. I might have mentioned that.

Conversely, if she has customers, she is going to continue to work bar as long as none of the factors I mentioned come into play.

As for Covid, it's pretty much forgotten by the ladies, except as the long period with no money.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2822015]In business you always strike while the iron's hot.[/QUOTE]I know some guys who opened a bar a couple months ago on Soi Buakhow. They struck while the iron is hot.

Closed already.

[QUOTE=JagerMister;2822043]There definitely are. Most of the beer bars will have some rooms above. Thats included in the bar fine. I also once asked a girl I met at Lucifer to find a ST room because I was sharing the room with a friend and he was already busy banging someone else in the room. So the girl took me to a hotel in the Walking street area. I don't remember what I paid but it was for 2 hrs.

On one visit, I ended up seeing a girl from Sabai Dee and she asked me to move in with her at her place for the remainder of my trip since my hotel ended up being a shitty place.

Most of the times the girls know where to go if you don't want to go back to your hotel room.[/QUOTE]On Walking Street across from Lucifer there is a Go-go called Atlantis right next to Palace short time right called Sweethearts walk up the stsirs.

350 baht, clean sheets and towels changed everytime.

On LK, Soi Buakhao make a left on left is a small weed shop left glass door center is a short time room, Also down Soi Honey small place called 5 Star nice rooms.

Walked up Soi Excite a little after Midnight to the big bar complex to the right of the street. Only 3 or 4 bars open but one of them, Area 39, had at least 200-300 people in it, seeming to be mostly locals, while the other bars had maybe 30 at the most. Anyone have any idea why that bar is so popular?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2822053]I am proud to receive the Chan Chalupa Seal of Disapproval.

Give me your recs CC, I want to see what gets the Chalupa Gordo.[/QUOTE]I'm not disapproving at all.

All I'm approving is when you pay 1,000 Baht your girl is what one can expect.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2822053]I am proud to receive the Chan Chalupa Seal of Disapproval.

Give me your recs CC, I want to see what gets the Chalupa Gordo.[/QUOTE]You already saw. It was the girl at Amsterdam fuck club with the fake tits.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2822207]You already saw. It was the girl at Amsterdam fuck club with the fake tits.[/QUOTE]I passed on her. She didn't have a sexy vibe and wanted covered. Chan Chalupa hit that?

I went back to "Shampoo" yesterday and was not as great. First time I was drunk and didn't notice she's above my weight limit. I really appreciated her dirty vibe.

A girl I was really into I would never post up on here- keep those to myself, like my TF CIP spinner. Not trying to share her with the board.

I'm growing to appreciate Chan Chalupas anarchic and disjointed commentary. It's usually only slightly offensive and to be fair he does say " no offense" to, um, account for that. But it's good to have some trolls around that are essentially well meaning. Which I think he is.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2822068]I know some guys who opened a bar a couple months ago on Soi Buakhow. They struck while the iron is hot.

Closed already.[/QUOTE]Me too. Wonder if it was the same bar. Probably not. They put me in some Line group and everyday it was come celebrate some damn body's birthday.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2822064]If a girl on TF says she has no line, that translates to "I have a BF who thinks I quit freelancing".[/QUOTE]The ones without Line always have whatsapp. I even have normal chicks that use whatsapp instead of Line.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2821679]This could be true. Alas, Pussyflation. Curious, are you here at the moment?[/QUOTE]Yes, until Friday morning when I'll head to Bkk before my flight back on staurday.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2822207]You already saw. It was the girl at Amsterdam fuck club with the fake tits.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the girl number 8 from Desire bar on soi6.

He is ready to blow 3 K and drinks for her.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2822064]If a girl on TF says she has no line, that translates to "I have a BF who thinks I quit freelancing".[/QUOTE]Why is she still using ThaiFriendly then?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821906]I can't understand why they would open a bar in the first place. Massage parlor, coffee stand, tattoo shop, weed shop, restaurant, mall, or any of the other things that this place is oversaturated with for that matter.[/QUOTE]First thing is they copy each others.

Then money laundering comes in mind.

Then some guys absolutely want to live here for a long time (assuming the owner is a foreigner), maybe it's easier for him to do it by opening a business, even when the business brings in barely enough to survive here.

Then there are the foreigners who married a Thai woman, in these cases she might be the one pushing to open these kind of businesses.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2821631]they have to offer bigger salaries to fill the bar and that's sufficient money so that the girls don't need to go with customers unless they want to make a little extra.[/QUOTE]That's exactly how the girl in Wrath soi6 argumented her price tag of 2 K.

Basically she is giving a good deal already because she doesn't even need to go upstairs with the customers and refuses it with many customers.

She said she makes enough money with her salary alone plus drinks commisions, plus she already has a good bunch of regulars.

But I would think it's the case only with the most popular ones, all the girls in the same bar don't get the same salary, it depends on how popular she is and how many drinks she can suck from the customers pockets.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2822268]I passed on her. She didn't have a sexy vibe and wanted covered. Chan Chalupa hit that?

I went back to "Shampoo" yesterday and was not as great. First time I was drunk and didn't notice she's above my weight limit. I really appreciated her dirty vibe.

A girl I was really into I would never post up on here- keep those to myself, like my TF CIP spinner. Not trying to share her with the board.

I'm growing to appreciate Chan Chalupas anarchic and disjointed commentary. It's usually only slightly offensive and to be fair he does say " no offense" to, um, account for that. But it's good to have some trolls around that are essentially well meaning. Which I think he is.[/QUOTE]No I did not Hit Minnie. If I recall I was surprised why she was working at a GC with that face. LOL. Hahaha.

I'm not too enthusiastic with her body. Too thin and yes her Tits do look rubbery.

Two different types of ladies:

Type A: her goal is to make you cum as soon as possible.

Type b: Can't get enough dick, but wants to finish. You fuck seemingly forever before cumming. Usually goes Long Time.

Which do you prefer?

Of course, there are plenty of both types in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2822456]Two different types of ladies:

Type A: her goal is to make you cum as soon as possible.

Type b: Can't get enough dick, but wants to finish. You fuck seemingly forever before cumming. Usually goes Long Time.

Which do you prefer?

Of course, there are plenty of both types in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Depends on my mood. I hate the Type A that just gives up after 15 minutes. But Type A's that never give up can be fun. But a Type B on some nights when I can last forever can be epic.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822297]First thing is they copy each others.

Then money laundering comes in mind.

Then some guys absolutely want to live here for a long time (assuming the owner is a foreigner), maybe it's easier for him to do it by opening a business, even when the business brings in barely enough to survive here.

Then there are the foreigners who married a Thai woman, in these cases she might be the one pushing to open these kind of businesses.[/QUOTE]My guess would be that 30% of the Pattaya economy is subsidized by startup capital that is never re-couped. There is an endless supply of Farangs willing to blow their savings in order to live the Pattaya dream and become the next Bryan Flowers. This will never not be the case.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822290]Why is she still using ThaiFriendly then?[/QUOTE]It's easier to hide on her phone and turn off notifications.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2822280]The ones without Line always have whatsapp. I even have normal chicks that use whatsapp instead of Line.[/QUOTE]I've always hesitated to give out my WhatsApp number because it exposes my USA phone number to strangers. I just now realized that I can create a new WhatsApp account using a short time Thailand phone number. Why didn't I think of that long ago?

Even so, I prefer Line because it is easier to use on multiple devices.

Has anybody ever checked out Selina Place in Pattaya? Looks interesting.

[URL]https://youtu.be/fkThCl09-6E[/URL]

I've discovered a new benefit of walking around town / getting a drink / playing pool while on an LT- it's much easier to leisurely scope ladies at various locations. Usually even the smallest eye contact is an invitation to be tractor beamed into a conversation with a lady that you quickly determine you are not interested in and so one puts on blinders as a defense. On an LT, you receive little such pressure (although they still do try), and so it's much easier to gather good information about the talent in any given location. Just try to be discrete so your current lady does not notice.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2822603]I've always hesitated to give out my WhatsApp number because it exposes my USA phone number to strangers. I just now realized that I can create a new WhatsApp account using a short time Thailand phone number. Why didn't I think of that long ago?[/QUOTE]Even without doing that, you can make one using a google voice number.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2822456]Two different types of ladies:

Type A: her goal is to make you cum as soon as possible.

Type b: Can't get enough dick, but wants to finish. You fuck seemingly forever before cumming. Usually goes Long Time.

Which do you prefer?

Of course, there are plenty of both types in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Plenty of both? Seems Type be is kinda rare.

Buzzing Lounge is opening on Soi Chaiyapoon. Yet another Grntlemens Club on Soi Pothole.

It's across the potholes from Maggie Mays.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2822608]Has anybody ever checked out Selina Place in Pattaya? Looks interesting.

[URL]https://youtu.be/fkThCl09-6E[/URL][/QUOTE]500 baht a night. Location probably Guaranteed not ideal.

Be weary of Queen of Pattaya I hear it's a professional operation. She just the Front woman. That fake receptionist used to work on Desire Livestream. If only she weren't so Dark. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822308]That's exactly how the girl in Wrath soi6 argumented her price tag of 2 K.

Basically she is giving a good deal already because she doesn't even need to go upstairs with the customers and refuses it with many customers.

She said she makes enough money with her salary alone plus drinks commisions, plus she already has a good bunch of regulars.

But I would think it's the case only with the most popular ones, all the girls in the same bar don't get the same salary, it depends on how popular she is and how many drinks she can suck from the customers pockets.[/QUOTE]Look at this, 102 drinks for 6 girls, that's 17 drinks for a girl. [URL]https://twitter.com/pattayasoi6love/status/1661397805586591744[/URL] It slowly turns into hostess or steaming girl business where weak men throw money on these girls just for existing. Some more pretty ones are becoming "drinks-only" girls 5:30 [URL]https://youtu.be/yTVYZi6Z27k[/URL].

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2822068]I know some guys who opened a bar a couple months ago on Soi Buakhow. They struck while the iron is hot.

Closed already.[/QUOTE]Then there are those that became successful and profitable. Success is never guaranteed. If at first you don't succeed, strike, strike again.

[QUOTE=RedIce7;2822709]Look at this, 102 drinks for 6 girls, that's 17 drinks for a girl. [URL]https://twitter.com/pattayasoi6love/status/1661397805586591744[/URL] It slowly turns into hostess or steaming girl business where weak men throw money on these girls just for existing. Some more pretty ones are becoming "drinks-only" girls 5:30 [URL]https://youtu.be/yTVYZi6Z27k[/URL].[/QUOTE]Love missile by the numbers. 102 drinks. 6 boy 6 girls.

Say boys got 3 drinks each equal 18.

84 drinks for 6 girls each is 14 drinks per bargirl.

Commission is $2 per drink equals $28. One off is OK but I doubt this is the norm.

I just don't see what you guys are seeing. A girl who can survive on drinks is few and far between. Think Priew number 8 at Desire.

[QUOTE=RedIce7;2822709]Look at this, 102 drinks for 6 girls, that's 17 drinks for a girl. [URL]https://twitter.com/pattayasoi6love/status/1661397805586591744[/URL] It slowly turns into hostess or steaming girl business where weak men throw money on these girls just for existing. Some more pretty ones are becoming "drinks-only" girls 5:30 [URL]https://youtu.be/yTVYZi6Z27k[/URL].[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be worried about the live streams, I don't think it's going to be a real trend.

The big problem for the moment (for me at least), was to find some reasonnably good looking girls (early 20's, slim) at a reasonnable price (1 K for her plus 1 or 2 drinks plus the room fee, which makes it roughly around 1900 baht). If you look all around town you'll not find much good looking girls (I didn't go to the Pratamnak GCs, didn't go to soi Bongkot, but Bongkot was shit during my last trip, I don't think they improved their girls).

So I had to go to soi6 every time (I've been here for 1 month and every girl I've fucked was from soi6 except one from Buakhao). I coudn't find anything that I would want to fuck outside of soi6, the GC's around Buakhao are not appealling at all and I don't even consider ThaiFriendly anymore.

In soi6 most of the pretty girls are working in the Nightwish bars which give them a decent salary (when they are able to get a lot of ladydrinks), so most will not go with customers or will charge higher fees. This doesn't mean all their girls are drink only, I fucked many girls from their bars at the price I wanted but they were not the prettiest of the bar (to be fair, they got so many girls in each of their bar that you probably can find what you want there). The fact that I had to go back in the exact same street each time was the thing that annoyed me the most (keep in mind that sometimes you go there and don't find anything too), because you start to be recognised in each bars you've been to before, and when you want to meet a new girl, it gets a bit more complicated.

Last Wednesday the Immigration Police parked their van and two bikes at Victoria inn and interrogated a black patron at poison bar. The interrogation went on for like 40 minutes as Cops walked in and out of the bar. Then they left him and walked around a little.

For the last three days Hooters on the beach road has been closed with a message " under construction" without a reopening date.

Last night at 10 PM on Beach Road near the police station next to Hilton. The police set up a sobriety checkpoint with one lane cordoned off. And they were pulling random drivers for checks. So much to the assumption that traffic cops leave after 5 PM.

Tomorrow Saturday is a festival holiday and no alcohol and clubs.

In the windmill street a new Coke gogo opened next to coco gogo.

Bliss gogo reopened.

Signs of low season evident in the walking street foot traffic. Soy seven and 8 are not looking good.

Hot or Not. Only 2 choices.

Queen of Pattaya. Huge You Toober.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2822608]Has anybody ever checked out Selina Place in Pattaya? Looks interesting.

[URL]https://youtu.be/fkThCl09-6E[/URL][/QUOTE]I checked out the place for a friend in January of this year. I've heard about the place years back the location is fine if you don't need to be right in the action and want it a bit quiet. It isn't far from the end of Soi Baukhao, which is just a short walk that can catch a songthaew down Bauakhao. The friendship market is within reach so is Tukcom where there is Big Mac, and Starbucks if that is your thing. W. S. Isn't far either even my age is walkable.

Personally, when I visited the lady owner or manager sitting with a young farang outside eating and drinking wasn't too friendly with me just asking how much for a month's stay. Both had the look of stupid written all over them maybe because they thought I was Thai or something just reply full.

Another place I checked out for the same friend is called Chitra Place, it is down 3rd road, close to Pattaya Klang set in from a small Soi, I thought for the price and location it was a better value room in front where large with a balcony bottom level walk out to the small pool. The one staff was friendly I believe the price for a month was 9,000 and the back area rooms were 7500, within walking distance to Big see. Extra, Soi Buakhao.

[QUOTE=RedIce7;2822709]Look at this, 102 drinks for 6 girls, that's 17 drinks for a girl. [URL]https://twitter.com/pattayasoi6love/status/1661397805586591744[/URL] It slowly turns into hostess or steaming girl business where weak men throw money on these girls just for existing. Some more pretty ones are becoming "drinks-only" girls 5:30 [URL]https://youtu.be/yTVYZi6Z27k[/URL].[/QUOTE]What is the problem? One person says you should not throw around money and spend no more than 1000 on a chick to fuck. The next guy says fuck you, I will spend 3000 to fuck if I want to because it is my money and you can not tell me what to do with it. And the next guy after that says fuck you I will buy 102 drinks with my money that you can not tell me what to do with so the girls will not have to fuck. Som nam na.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2822987]Hot or Not. Only 2 choices.

Queen of Pattaya. Huge You Toober.[/QUOTE]Hot- nice personality and seems like she would be fun to hang out wit, in and out if bed.

Spent a lot of time looking at everything Pattaya on youtube and his recommendations for action seems to be, quite frankly, gents clubs over the gogo-bars and usual tourist locations, for the people who have been here recently, what's your thoughts?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822924]I wouldn't be worried about the live streams, I don't think it's going to be a real trend.

The big problem for the moment (for me at least), was to find some reasonnably good looking girls (early 20's, slim) at a reasonnable price (1 K for her plus 1 or 2 drinks plus the room fee, which makes it roughly around 1900 baht). If you look all around town you'll not find much good looking girls (I didn't go to the Pratamnak GCs, didn't go to soi Bongkot, but Bongkot was shit during my last trip, I don't think they improved their girls).

So I had to go to soi6 every time (I've been here for 1 month and every girl I've fucked was from soi6 except one from Buakhao). I coudn't find anything that I would want to fuck outside of soi6, the GC's around Buakhao are not appealling at all and I don't even consider ThaiFriendly anymore.

In soi6 most of the pretty girls are working in the Nightwish bars which give them a decent salary (when they are able to get a lot of ladydrinks), so most will not go with customers or will charge higher fees. This doesn't mean all their girls are drink only, I fucked many girls from their bars at the price I wanted but they were not the prettiest of the bar (to be fair, they got so many girls in each of their bar that you probably can find what you want there)..[/QUOTE]Reasonably hood looking and young for 1,000. As AL Capone would advise. Forgettaboutthhit.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822924]I wouldn't be worried about the live streams, I don't think it's going to be a real trend.

The big problem for the moment (for me at least), was to find some reasonnably good looking girls (early 20's, slim) at a reasonnable price (1 K for her plus 1 or 2 drinks plus the room fee, which makes it roughly around 1900 baht). If you look all around town you'll not find much good looking girls (I didn't go to the Pratamnak GCs, didn't go to soi Bongkot, but Bongkot was shit during my last trip, I don't think they improved their girls).

So I had to go to soi6 every time (I've been here for 1 month and every girl I've fucked was from soi6 except one from Buakhao). I coudn't find anything that I would want to fuck outside of soi6, the GC's around Buakhao are not appealling at all and I don't even consider ThaiFriendly anymore.

In soi6 most of the pretty girls are working in the Nightwish bars which give them a decent salary (when they are able to get a lot of ladydrinks), so most will not go with customers or will charge higher fees. This doesn't mean all their girls are drink only, I fucked many girls from their bars at the price I wanted but they were not the prettiest of the bar (to be fair, they got so many girls in each of their bar that you probably can find what you want there). The fact that I had to go back in the exact same street each time was the thing that annoyed me the most (keep in mind that sometimes you go there and don't find anything too), because you start to be recognised in each bars you've been to before, and when you want to meet a new girl, it gets a bit more complicated.[/QUOTE]Agree that the gents clubs and bars around Soi Buakhao don't really have many good looking girls, at least during daylight hours (I am an afternoon / early evening fucker). On my trip last summer I fucked several girls from Soi Pothole, even one from Maggie Mays. It is now a disaster area. I have walked up and down Soi Pothole nearly every day for a month and never seen anyone I wanted to fuck.

Soi 6 has been the best place to find girls I want to fuck at the time I want to fuck, although even there most of them are un-fuckable, so have had mostly repeat sessions with a few girls. Unfortunately one of them went to work at XS ago-go, so lost contact with her, but my favorite, Pepe, a light skinned, short-haired, adorably cute half-Chinese freelancer (she doesn't wear a bar uniform like the other girls there) with a great slim body is still at Smoke and Kisses on the north end of Soi 6. Have had 8 or so fantastic, full GFE, 1-2 hour sessions with her (had a 2-hour session just today). If you have not been with her already, strongly recommend you check her out.

From time to time I stumble on Queen of Pattaya videos. And I genuinely can't tell anymore is she advertising happy ending businesses and her friends. Or am I simply too fucked in head and objectifying poor girls.

For example. Is this a happy ending place?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfFkhJ-_0sk[/URL]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2823112]Agree that the gents clubs and bars around Soi Buakhao don't really have many good looking girls, at least during daylight hours (I am an afternoon / early evening fucker). On my trip last summer I fucked several girls from Soi Pothole, even one from Maggie Mays. It is now a disaster area. I have walked up and down Soi Pothole nearly every day for a month and never seen anyone I wanted to fuck.

Soi 6 has been the best place to find girls I want to fuck at the time I want to fuck, although even there most of them are un-fuckable, so have had mostly repeat sessions with a few girls. Unfortunately one of them went to work at XS ago-go, so lost contact with her, but my favorite, Pepe, a light skinned, short-haired, adorably cute half-Chinese freelancer (she doesn't wear a bar uniform like the other girls there) with a great slim body is still at Smoke and Kisses on the north end of Soi 6. Have had 8 or so fantastic, full GFE, 1-2 hour sessions with her (had a 2-hour session just today). If you have not been with her already, strongly recommend you check her out.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya multiple times August through October of last year and yes there are not a ton of lookers at GCs, Bongkot or Tree Town area, slightly more quality on Soi 6.

I think this is the norm at this point and should be expected by mongers in Patts. You have to spend time in bkk if you want the true hotties.

Makes me feel so normal to read others say they found love on Soy 6 and at the same time downplay Maggie Mays. I couldn't get myself in the door of Maggie Mays because the smell on that soy. Never have understood why it seems to get a lot of attention. But Soy 6 ladies compared to the crazy over priced places on Walking Street was a no brainer for me. Just my opinion. There is a lot of ladies around Pattaya and I have also had good luck on the Beach Road Coconut Bar ladies.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2823112]Soi 6 has been the best place to find girls I want to fuck at the time I want to fuck, although even there most of them are un-fuckable, so have had mostly repeat sessions with a few girls. [/QUOTE]Same for me, had to repeat most of the girls because I couldn't find many others appealing or at a decent price.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2823112]but my favorite, Pepe, a light skinned, short-haired, adorably cute half-Chinese freelancer (she doesn't wear a bar uniform like the other girls there) with a great slim body is still at Smoke and Kisses on the north end of Soi 6. Have had 8 or so fantastic, full GFE, 1-2 hour sessions with her (had a 2-hour session just today). If you have not been with her already, strongly recommend you check her out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommandation, never met her, but unfortunately I moved from Pattaya yesterday.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2822871]Commission is $2 per drink equals $28. One off is OK but I doubt this is the norm.

I just don't see what you guys are seeing. A girl who can survive on drinks is few and far between.[/QUOTE]You are not seeing it because you guys continue to think it takes more to money to be a local Thai than it actually does. If the average pay is $10 per day, then the person that got the $28 (same as the chick that has been in my bed the last 11 hours) is doing 3 times better than average.

I had to do the yearly registration on my motorbike a couple of days ago. 60 baht for inspection. 100 baht for registration. 6 baht late fee (1 baht per month). Insurance was the big fee. 300 baht prorated 6 months. Back in America the late fee alone would have been more than double all of this put together. This place is not expensive.

Hi Everyone,

I'll be honest I'm pretty new to this whole thing. I was looking to spend a week or so in a place with beautiful women that don't break the bank, so I thought Thailand would be a good option. That being said, the only time I can go is in August, and I thought I'd ask for some advice on where to go and what to do. I've heard mixed things about Pattaya in August; do you guys think it's a better option than Bangkok during that time of year? Also, I'm the type of guy that likes to get one or two high-quality girls for a few days to a week at a time. Also how do you recommend I find said high-quality girls. Oh and any other recommendations that generally come to mind like hotels to stay at would be appreciated. For reference, I'm looking to spend about 3 k (not including flight costs) for the week on hotels, food, girls, drinks, etc.

Thanks!

How much would you pay?

Assumption. 100 customers in her career and all gave 10 stars per perfomance and personality.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDvP8d6-8xU[/URL]

-35.09. You have to scroll backward to see relevant girl.

This is maninly geared to those who arent enthralled to pay outrageous baht for better than avg lookers.

Don't be afraid. No one will bite you for giving silly answers.

[QUOTE=Kontiki;2823086]Spent a lot of time looking at everything Pattaya on youtube and his recommendations for action seems to be, quite frankly, gents clubs over the gogo-bars and usual tourist locations, for the people who have been here recently, what's your thoughts?[/QUOTE]This is a much discussed item here, read back a few pages. I generally agree with EP youtube channel but will say, as many have recently posted, it's becoming difficult to find high quality girls in the GC's and Soi 6 and becomes a real search and destroy mission. It does not feel like point and shoot anymore.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2823199]Same for me, had to repeat most of the girls because I couldn't find many others appealing or at a decent price..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2823184]I was in Pattaya multiple times August through October of last year and yes there are not a ton of lookers at GCs, Bongkot or Tree Town area, slightly more quality on Soi 6.

I think this is the norm at this point and should be expected by mongers in Patts. You have to spend time in bkk if you want the true hotties.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2823112]Agree that the gents clubs and bars around Soi Buakhao don't really have many good looking girls, at least during daylight hours (I am an afternoon / early evening fucker). On my trip last summer I fucked several girls from Soi Pothole, even one from Maggie Mays. It is now a disaster area. I have walked up and down Soi Pothole nearly every day for a month and never seen anyone I wanted to fuck.

Soi 6 has been the best place to find girls I want to fuck at the time I want to fuck, although even there most of them are un-fuckable, so have had mostly repeat sessions with a few girls..[/QUOTE]All these posts resonate with my experience here so far this summer. To be honest I've mostly been repeating with my TF girl who is giving me great LT service and checks my boxes. Her body is exactly what I need, most BM would not be impressed with her face, but there is a sexy Lolita quality to her that turns me on, and to me that's the important thing. Not big on BJ's but great BBFSCIP everytime and it's really great to get a girl that is so turned on by you dumping a load in her that she comes on your dick as a result. She's trying to hook me in with daily "I love you" line messages but I am not falling for it.

On alternate days I've been exploring the options and as many have stated, it's a real effort to find something that's worthy of a purchase. It's challenging to run your selection firmware as you scan the options coming at you on Soi 6, and the computation mechanism can often miscalculate due to the sheer size of the data dump. Some sessions end in disappointment and regret for me. Soi Pothole and the Boomerang and Bongkot GC's are more leisurely and it's easier to make a better decision, but still takes work. Second the observation that Soi 6 has better overall quality than the GC's. In all of the above I need to resist the urge to go with the least bad option- which is the surest path to a failure to launch. Sometimes it's ok to just walk and save the cum.

The number of options for the punter here is enormous- but to succeed, real effort needs to be invested. I concur with the BMs above who recommend finding a good option and repeating. I'm trying to figure out if the situation on the ground has materially changed, or if I'm just harder to arouse this time around.

The biggest business in Pattaya is providing retired / expat working class Brit and Aussie men with fortysomething ex-bar girl companions, who are still leagues more attractive than the forty stone matrons back in Stoke-on-Trent, or Carlisle despite being the bottom of the pile here in Thailand. Interesting way for a brick-layer from Sheffield to have a third act, for the moment those pensions must still be robust.

[QUOTE=ZackM;2823215]Hi Everyone,

I'll be honest I'm pretty new to this whole thing. I was looking to spend a week or so in a place with beautiful women that don't break the bank, so I thought Thailand would be a good option. That being said, the only time I can go is in August, and I thought I'd ask for some advice on where to go and what to do. I've heard mixed things about Pattaya in August; do you guys think it's a better option than Bangkok during that time of year? Also, I'm the type of guy that likes to get one or two high-quality girls for a few days to a week at a time. Also how do you recommend I find said high-quality girls. Oh and any other recommendations that generally come to mind like hotels to stay at would be appreciated. For reference, I'm looking to spend about 3 k (not including flight costs) for the week on hotels, food, girls, drinks, etc.

Thanks![/QUOTE]August is an excellent time to visit Pattaya.

The best way to find a knockout sexy lady is to go short time with any lady on Soi 6. As you climb up the stairs to the room, you will see a really sexy lady coming down.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2823266]All these posts resonate with my experience here so far this summer. To be honest I've mostly been repeating with my TF girl who is giving me great LT service and checks my boxes. Her body is exactly what I need, most BM would not be impressed with her face, but there is a sexy Lolita quality to her that turns me on, and to me that's the important thing. Not big on BJ's but great BBFSCIP everytime and it's really great to get a girl that is so turned on by you dumping a load in her that she comes on your dick as a result. She's trying to hook me in with daily "I love you" line messages but I am not falling for it.

On alternate days I've been exploring the options and as many have stated, it's a real effort to find something that's worthy of a purchase. It's challenging to run your selection firmware as you scan the options coming at you on Soi 6, and the computation mechanism can often miscalculate due to the sheer size of the data dump. Some sessions end in disappointment and regret for me. Soi Pothole and the Boomerang and Bongkot GC's are more leisurely and it's easier to make a better decision, but still takes work. Second the observation that Soi 6 has better overall quality than the GC's. In all of the above I need to resist the urge to go with the least bad option- which is the surest path to a failure to launch. Sometimes it's ok to just walk and save the cum.

The number of options for the punter here is enormous- but to succeed, real effort needs to be invested. I concur with the BMs above who recommend finding a good option and repeating. I'm trying to figure out if the situation on the ground has materially changed, or if I'm just harder to arouse this time around.[/QUOTE]In regards to the "finding a good option and repeating" narrative currently trending as it would seem, this is something I will have to consider. Keep in mind, I have never done LT with a gal, not just Pattaya but anywhere else as well. However, based on my experience last year and the comments on here from the last 8 or so months, it looks like LT will be something I'll have to consider. I had a few opportunities at landing some quality LT gals on my last trip, you know the ones that actually kind of like you and don't discuss money and want to lock you into LT travel so they can get a break from the constant hustle of fucking random dudes and you I guess organically settle on a daily price for her company.

My game plan right now is to spend my first 5-7 days in Thailand in BKK prior to heading down to Pattaya with the goal of landing some LT travel prospects to see different parts of Thailand and maybe even travel to other nearby countries. My hope would be to find some civvies who engage in being lady's of the night on the side. I'll have to hone my day game skills (good luck to me with that).

If anyone has tips on how to handle the pricing of LT please do chime in, and I'm referring to multiple days LT, not just an overnight. EP on YT has recommended when it comes to pricing to initiate pricing as if the girl initiates and the price is too high, she won't lower due to needing to save face.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2823271]The biggest business in Pattaya is providing retired / expat working class Brit and Aussie men with fortysomething ex-bar girl companions, who are still leagues more attractive than the forty stone matrons back in Stoke-on-Trent, or Carlisle despite being the bottom of the pile here in Thailand. Interesting way for a brick-layer from Sheffield to have a third act, for the moment those pensions must still be robust.[/QUOTE]40 year old MILFs can be fun. They certainly are hornier than younger girls and know how to make a man happy. But, there are downsides, as well:

Their legs and arms are heavier and thicker than the equivalent younger lady.

At any moment, they can evolve from bargirl to granny. One moment they are a sexy lady, the next they are looking for a wheelchair. And their heads widen very quickly.

Also, if they have adult sons, they are constantly talking to them on the phone. The sons never wean themselves from their mothers, and constantly ask for money. So, your barfine may get all emotional after a conversation with a son.

[QUOTE=SwiftyTillWild;2823142]From time to time I stumble on Queen of Pattaya videos. And I genuinely can't tell anymore is she advertising happy ending businesses and her friends. Or am I simply too fucked in head and objectifying poor girls.

For example. Is this a happy ending place?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfFkhJ-_0sk[/URL][/QUOTE]Queen, Roti Lady, the other one,. Numerous other ones with Biggish Boobs all Conglomerates. MeThinks.

They still make Roti Lady knead dough on the Floor.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2823414]40 year old MILFs can be fun. They certainly are hornier than younger girls and know how to make a man happy. But, there are downsides, as well:

Their legs and arms are heavier and thicker than the equivalent younger lady.

At any moment, they can evolve from bargirl to granny. One moment they are a sexy lady, the next they are looking for a wheelchair. And their heads widen very quickly.

Also, if they have adult sons, they are constantly talking to them on the phone. The sons never wean themselves from their mothers, and constantly ask for money. So, your barfine may get all emotional after a conversation with a son.[/QUOTE]Another plus is they are extremely cheap.

For me big heavy arms and legs are a deal killer. No offense.

[QUOTE=ZackM;2823215]Hi Everyone,

I'll be honest I'm pretty new to this whole thing. I was looking to spend a week or so in a place with beautiful women that don't break the bank, so I thought Thailand would be a good option. That being said, the only time I can go is in August, and I thought I'd ask for some advice on where to go and what to do. I've heard mixed things about Pattaya in August; do you guys think it's a better option than Bangkok during that time of year? Also, I'm the type of guy that likes to get one or two high-quality girls for a few days to a week at a time. Also how do you recommend I find said high-quality girls. Oh and any other recommendations that generally come to mind like hotels to stay at would be appreciated. For reference, I'm looking to spend about 3 k (not including flight costs) for the week on hotels, food, girls, drinks, etc.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Since you state high quality I think you should double your weekly budget. High quality don't come cheap.

[QUOTE=ZackM;2823215]Hi Everyone,

I'll be honest I'm pretty new to this whole thing. I was looking to spend a week or so in a place with beautiful women that don't break the bank, so I thought Thailand would be a good option. That being said, the only time I can go is in August, and I thought I'd ask for some advice on where to go and what to do. I've heard mixed things about Pattaya in August; do you guys think it's a better option than Bangkok during that time of year? Also, I'm the type of guy that likes to get one or two high-quality girls for a few days to a week at a time. Also how do you recommend I find said high-quality girls. Oh and any other recommendations that generally come to mind like hotels to stay at would be appreciated. For reference, I'm looking to spend about 3 k (not including flight costs) for the week on hotels, food, girls, drinks, etc.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Any time of the year is fine to go to Pattaya. What I am worried about is your budget. 3 k for the whole week? In Dollars? A high quality girl can be found in several Agogo's in Pattaya. Take it easy and ignore the many beggings for LD. Have a good look around! But be aware that most girls prefer ST which still will cost you like 3000 Baht or 80 US-dollar / euro.

If you are a fine negotiator, you might have a nice lady with you for a few days.

Happy Hunting!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2823414]40 year old MILFs can be fun. They certainly are hornier than younger girls and know how to make a man happy. But, there are downsides, as well:

Their legs and arms are heavier and thicker than the equivalent younger lady.

At any moment, they can evolve from bargirl to granny. One moment they are a sexy lady, the next they are looking for a wheelchair. And their heads widen very quickly.

Also, if they have adult sons, they are constantly talking to them on the phone. The sons never wean themselves from their mothers, and constantly ask for money. So, your barfine may get all emotional after a conversation with a son.[/QUOTE]I hear you. I have a 42 year old On LINE. We know each other since 2018 and in April 2023, she came to my room regulary. Hahaha!

She know what she is doing, and I tend to like chubby women. So I don't mind her not being the 'typical 50 kilogram Thai Tilak'.

But, she normally works in a hotel! So no barlady and even better, DAUGHTERS! So no lazy pos of a son (I have a story or 3 about that matter with other 40-ish women).

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2823406]My hope would be to find some civvies who engage in being lady's of the night on the side. [/QUOTE]If they are normal girls then they are not hookers. If they are ladies of the night "on the side" then they are not normal chicks. Either they fuck for money or they don't. There is not chicks that do not fuck for money, but will all of a sudden do it when I show up. Why does everyone dream of a hooker lite or of a chick that is only a hooker for them? There are plenty of normal chicks that are normal chicks and do not need to paid as a hooker.

[QUOTE=Frankypanky;2823504]Any time of the year is fine to go to Pattaya. What I am worried about is your budget. 3 k for the whole week? In Dollars? A high quality girl can be found in several Agogo's in Pattaya. Take it easy and ignore the many beggings for LD. Have a good look around! But be aware that most girls prefer ST which still will cost you like 3000 Baht or 80 US-dollar / euro.

If you are a fine negotiator, you might have a nice lady with you for a few days.

Happy Hunting![/QUOTE]Is ST really 3 k baht now? I was just there in January-February and it was 1500-2000 baht for ST.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2823592]Is ST really 3 k baht now? I was just there in January-February and it was 1500-2000 baht for ST.[/QUOTE]No way! You can still find girls for 1,000 to 1,500 easily enough and I would not go higher. It's not that long ago when 1,000 was standard and it's only the past year that prices have gone up to 1,500.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2823414]40 year old MILFs can be fun. They certainly are hornier than younger girls and know how to make a man happy. But, there are downsides, as well:[/QUOTE]My number 1 favourite in Pattaya is 47 years old and still looks great, she's fit and trim with a body that's barely aged and she is the only one that I regularly repeat with. No downsides like you talk about either. It's just four weeks away to seeing her again assuming she is in town.

[QUOTE=ZackM;2823215]Hi Everyone,

I'll be honest I'm pretty new to this whole thing. I was looking to spend a week or so in a place with beautiful women that don't break the bank, so I thought Thailand would be a good option. That being said, the only time I can go is in August, and I thought I'd ask for some advice on where to go and what to do. I've heard mixed things about Pattaya in August; do you guys think it's a better option than Bangkok during that time of year? Also, I'm the type of guy that likes to get one or two high-quality girls for a few days to a week at a time. Also how do you recommend I find said high-quality girls. Oh and any other recommendations that generally come to mind like hotels to stay at would be appreciated. For reference, I'm looking to spend about 3 k (not including flight costs) for the week on hotels, food, girls, drinks, etc.

Thanks![/QUOTE]For years I only traveled to Pattaya in late August, early September. Never had any issues with rain or costs. Get a decent hotel then consider what you have left for "play" money. Most punters wouldn't even consider having one girl for more than a couple days, especially on a first visit. It takes time to cultivate a relationship and the girl will want to feel comfortable as well. One option, if you find a girl you like is to barfine her the night you meet her and the next night as well. That gives you playtime for the pool or beach the next day. If you do find a girl you want to spend time alone with, go to Jomtien and get away from the bar scene. A lot of girls in Pattaya will take you to bars where they have friends and they'll drain your wallet in no time! The whole concept of going to Pattaya is to move around the different areas and have fun. Read up on the many posts on here for advice and have fun. I've been to Bangkok and to me, it's just not worth it. Maybe one day, tops. The traffic sucks and everything costs more.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2823604]My number 1 favourite in Pattaya is 47 years old and still looks great, she's fit and trim with a body that's barely aged and she is the only one that I regularly repeat with. No downsides like you talk about either. It's just four weeks away to seeing her again assuming she is in town.[/QUOTE]There are definitely some of that kind in Thailand, but very few in the P4P industry. But when they start to go downhill, they go downhill very quickly, much more sudden than farang women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2823526]If they are normal girls then they are not hookers. If they are ladies of the night "on the side" then they are not normal chicks. Either they fuck for money or they don't. There is not chicks that do not fuck for money, but will all of a sudden do it when I show up. Why does everyone dream of a hooker lite or of a chick that is only a hooker for them? There are plenty of normal chicks that are normal chicks and do not need to paid as a hooker.[/QUOTE]Dude's will then say "well they're going get paid one way or the other". Some guys need to pretend the girl is not really a WG, and they are not really a monger. You find this a lot on the Seeking thread. These guys prefer the GFE- " she just wants some money for a dress, she's got a real job". I can see where they are coming from but better for all parties to just be real.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2823603]No way! You can still find girls for 1,000 to 1,500 easily enough and I would not go higher. It's not that long ago when 1,000 was standard and it's only the past year that prices have gone up to 1,500.[/QUOTE]Franky was referring to GOGO-GIRLS. Not the normal ladies in bars / freelance and all. 1000-1500 is standard but in some gogos it can go to 3 K easily for ST.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2823526]If they are normal girls then they are not hookers. If they are ladies of the night "on the side" then they are not normal chicks. Either they fuck for money or they don't. There is not chicks that do not fuck for money, but will all of a sudden do it when I show up. Why does everyone dream of a hooker lite or of a chick that is only a hooker for them? There are plenty of normal chicks that are normal chicks and do not need to paid as a hooker.[/QUOTE]"There are plenty of normal chicks that are normal chicks and do not need to paid as a hooker. "

This would be ideal. Save money and have a travel partner of sorts. But it's a time investment, which I'm open to to a degree. Sentiments change though once you're actually in Thailand and you see ass available everywhere and one thinks what's the point of limiting myself to one. And that's the rub of Pattaya in particular, so many damn options, hard to get locked into one.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2823681]Dude's will then say "well they're going get paid one way or the other". Some guys need to pretend the girl is not really a WG, and they are not really a monger. You find this a lot on the Seeking thread. These guys prefer the GFE- " she just wants some money for a dress, she's got a real job". I can see where they are coming from but better for all parties to just be real.[/QUOTE]Don't know if my original comment regarding this was misconstrued. But I'm all business and aware of what male and female relations are about. Your comment describes most western men, basically paying to play in dating and marriage to make themselves feel like they're really not paying for it. Mongering is much healthier and real. It's a business transaction at the end of the day and most mongers want exactly that.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2823603]No way! You can still find girls for 1,000 to 1,500 easily enough and I would not go higher. It's not that long ago when 1,000 was standard and it's only the past year that prices have gone up to 1,500.[/QUOTE]Messing around on Thai Friendly today and talking to a chick that said she has been gone from Pattaya 3 years and just came back and opened a salon again. My dumb ass does not realize she is a chick that I used to fuck years ago until she reminded me. I said oh yeah. Your mouth used to have my bed soaked. She is going to tell me that prices have gone up and there is no more 1000. I said bullshit. She said short time. I said bullshit. I am grandfathered in 1000 long time as always. Save those new prices for new dudes. She looks better than she did before. Most chicks look worse with age, but there are others that tend to look better.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2823707]"There are plenty of normal chicks that are normal chicks and do not need to paid as a hooker. "

This would be ideal. Save money and have a travel partner of sorts. But it's a time investment, which I'm open to to a degree. Sentiments change though once you're actually in Thailand and you see ass available everywhere and one thinks what's the point of limiting myself to one. And that's the rub of Pattaya in particular, so many damn options, hard to get locked into one.[/QUOTE]Meet her on Thai Friendly before you come and take your side excursion as soon as you get here. Then when you finish she can go back home and you can go to Pattaya.

I have a chick that lives in Bangkok that I travel with. She loves it. She said without me she would have never gone to places.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2823592]Is ST really 3 k baht now? I was just there in January-February and it was 1500-2000 baht for ST.[/QUOTE]When it come to prices Venue needs to be specified.

500 is believable. No offense to those who shop here. Hahaha.

3 000 is believable.

5,000 short time is believable.

Free needs a Believable explanation. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2823708]Don't know if my original comment regarding this was misconstrued. But I'm all business and aware of what male and female relations are about. Your comment describes most western men, basically paying to play in dating and marriage to make themselves feel like they're really not paying for it. Mongering is much healthier and real. It's a business transaction at the end of the day and most mongers want exactly that.[/QUOTE]I look at it as hiring temp labor. Once a person understands that 95% of personal relationships are transactional in some way, the more free they are. Since I like to hire a lot of temp labor when I am shopping in a country (2-3 X day), Thailand offers great value / availability and exceedingly good price / performance ratios. Greece is one of the only other countries that I have found that compares with the availability / value and price / performance.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2823446]Another plus is they are extremely cheap.

For me big heavy arms and legs are a deal killer. No offense.[/QUOTE]I don't mean that the arms and legs of a lady who is 40+ are big and heavy, I just mean in comparison with a 20 year old lady. It's all relative.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2823708]Don't know if my original comment regarding this was misconstrued. But I'm all business and aware of what male and female relations are about. Your comment describes most western men, basically paying to play in dating and marriage to make themselves feel like they're really not paying for it. Mongering is much healthier and real. It's a business transaction at the end of the day and most mongers want exactly that.[/QUOTE]I'm right there with you CaliGuy33.

First, let's establish the baseline reality of transactionality.

Ehs183 puts it very well:

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2823839]I look at it as hiring temp labor. Once a person understands that 95% of personal relationships are transactional in some way, the more free they are. Since I like to hire a lot of temp labor when I am shopping in a country (2-3 X day), Thailand offers great value / availability and exceedingly good price / performance ratios. Greece is one of the only other countries that I have found that compares with the availability / value and price / performance.[/QUOTE]Most conventional romantic relationships are transactional. We all have a "market value" in this sense and assortative mating works well to pair us with compatible mates, I. E. Create fair market transactions. Pair bonding facilitated by oxytocin and other neurobiological processes, combined with cultural programming acts to dull the feeling of this transactionality. The illusion is so complete, that when a man loses his job, becomes ill, or takes some other hit to his market value, he is often shocked to see how quickly he is abandoned. Even friendships are transactional- but obviously the stakes are lower because the goal is not direct reproduction and evolutionary success- although community ties assist in this in a holistic way.

Some pay for play relationships are more transparent in their transactionality than others.

A [B] Beach Road/ Soi 6 hit it and quit ST [/B] is the most naked in its pay for play- but even then the tenterhooks can begin to penetrate. I know of a guy who wifed up a Soi 6 girl and tried to move her back to Scotland fully aware of her body count. Not sure how that's working out because she blocked me on social media. Usually, however, strong emotions are not generated in these experiences and the transaction is mostly sexual. The downside here is that a hedonic stasis is difficult to avoid, and constant novelty is required to achieve the same effects. Running to stand still and all that.

Less transparent is the [B] LT Experience.[/B] Part of what is being sold is the simulation of having a girlfriend and so the Bar Girl clothes come off and the street clothes come on. Dinner, drinks, massages, strolls through the mall, approximate the feel of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. The primary thing to notice is that as transparency of transactionality goes down, emotional investment goes up as does the associated ability for the lady to manipulate the man using this button. As I've mentioned, my current repeat LT is trying to hook me in with the "I love you" crap which other men (as evidenced by the beta males on her social media sending her money) have fallen for. Some Western men are so starved for love and attention they will blind themselves to the screaming reality of their own exploitation.

Next to a conventional relationship, the least transparent is dating the [B] semi-pro from Seeking or Thai Friendly.[/B] This type of monger appreciates the fact that the girl is much lower volume and feels more comfortable in something that has the feel of a real relationship, with a modicum of baseline chemistry and a bit of genuine attraction. The monger who dates "semi-pro's" is in most danger of being emotionally manipulated, and often cannot square the fact that his girl is seeing other men as well. This type of monger often undergoes extreme emotional swings during his affairs with these ladies, and that's the price he is willing to pay for his preferred experience. Remember that there are no real "semi" pro's, only girls that are lower volume, and in the end you need to square the fact that she is sucking other dudes' dicks one way or the other.

I do not wish to cast judgment on any of these methodologies. The ST monger and the SemiPro monger have found ways of achieving intimacy that work for them and neither should feel more smug or satisfied than the other. The ST monger has the problem of needing to feed the beast with constant novelty, and the Semi-Pro monger musty deal with the extreme emotional swings that come with indulging in his particular illusion.

My point here was to illustrate the relative levels of transactional transparency with each method.

In other news, I walked into Club Excite in the middle of some kind of party last night. Several girls were topless and a punter was up on the stripper pole area getting his dick sucked in full view of the entire crowd. I finally found my provider from last Summer, but she seemed so ran through and just out of it, that it was too depressing to take her for a BJ. When she started last summer she was new and fresh and we had a great time, but I think 1 year in Pattaya has changed her in obvious ways. She remembered me, but her glassy eyed stare had none of the connection of our previous encounters. Also I didn't feel particularly welcome as none of the guys at the party were friends. Moving on, I found a cute girl at Pleasure Lounge on Soi Boomerang who does a great BJ so the night was still a success.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2823603]No way! You can still find girls for 1,000 to 1,500 easily enough and I would not go higher. It's not that long ago when 1,000 was standard and it's only the past year that prices have gone up to 1,500.[/QUOTE]I've gotten as low as 1200ST, and have seen asks as high as 5000ST. Your ability to sort through these market signals is really key here. Be prepared to walk from a shitty deal.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2823857] I finally found my provider from last Summer, but she seemed so ran through and just out of it, that it was too depressing to take her for a BJ. When she started last summer she was new and fresh and we had a great time, but I think 1 year in Pattaya has changed her in obvious ways. She remembered me, but her glassy eyed stare had none of the connection of our previous encounters. Also I didn't feel particularly welcome as none of the guys at the party were friends.[/QUOTE]It seems that one year is an eternity for a girl working in the Pattaya entertainment venues.

My last trip (around 6 months ago), I had a very good interaction with 2 girls working in the same place.

When I went to their place during this trip, one became very popular (apparently she is barfined quickly when she arrives at work) and didn't even give a glance at me so I crossed her out of my list.

The other was still nice but already gained 5 kilos in only 6 months. She was not skinny in the first place and didn't express any concern about that weight gain so I crossed her out also.

The place employed many other girls, but none of them were attractive so I didn't even want to give them a second chance, I never went back there.

Maybe a time span for a girl to still be enjoyable for the next visit is 2 or 3 months at best.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2823603]No way! You can still find girls for 1,000 to 1,500 easily enough and I would not go higher. It's not that long ago when 1,000 was standard and it's only the past year that prices have gone up to 1,500.[/QUOTE]I responded on the call for 'high quality ladies' . You might not find those on BR or any Beerbar (not anymore)! So I referred to AGOGO ladies, who then might be of his liking. Especially girls from PinUp Agogo. IF you want to take a girl from a WS agogo, yes. Expect to pay 3 k for ST. They might ask 4 or even 6 k (!), but that's up to you and your negotiation skills!

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2823687]Franky was refering to GOGO-GIRLS. Not the normal ladies in bars / freelance and all. 1000-1500 is standard but in some gogos it can go to 3 K easily for ST.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your understanding and clarifying.

It's very quiet in Pattaya now.

The top tier ladies still have no problem finding customers, but everyone else is mostly just sitting around.

I am resting from my flight today, but will start with the ladies tomorrow, hopefully I can sleep tonight.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2823989]It's very quiet in Pattaya now.

The top tier ladies still have no problem finding customers, but everyone else is mostly just sitting around.

I am resting from my flight today, but will start with the ladies tomorrow, hopefully I can sleep tonight.[/QUOTE]Quiet? You must be talking about 6 am Tuesday morning, because it definitely has not been quiet the last few days with the holiday. It took some friends 4 hours to get here from Bangkok Friday because of the traffic. It was taking them an hour on the baht bus to get from their hotel Siam at Siam on 2nd Road to the food court on Pattaya Klang. They finally got out on Beach Road and walked the rest of the way.

LT Thai Friendly chick just left. She walked in the door last night giving GFE and could not wait to get the dick inside her this morning when she woke up.

My first time in pattaya and to soapy massage. Visited honey2 today. No. 508 gave the best service. Lady around 32, speaks enough English to hold a conversation, big saggy boobs, cooperated in all positions. Gave a good massage in the end.

Damages 2700 baht.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2823989]It's very quiet in Pattaya now.

The top tier ladies still have no problem finding customers, but everyone else is mostly just sitting around.

I am resting from my flight today, but will start with the ladies tomorrow, hopefully I can sleep tonight.[/QUOTE]The traffic on second road is brutal every day. Central festival is packed when I've been at weekends. Couldn't get a seat in Windmill, Pin up or XS on Sunday night!

[QUOTE=Casanova57;2824274]My first time in pattaya and to soapy massage. Visited honey2 today. No. 508 gave the best service. Lady around 32, speaks enough English to hold a conversation, big saggy boobs, cooperated in all positions. Gave a good massage in the end.

Damages 2700 baht.[/QUOTE]Too much for Saggy Booobs. Hahahahaha. No offense.

I bet the body behind the Sag was big too. Hahahah. No offense.

Recently I took a look and 77.77% were plus sized. Hahahaha. No offense.

I'm just playing bro. Good Job.

Might be lucky to be coming to Pattaya again in first week of July.

Last time got shafted on hotel location. Was a little far out. PEACH convention.

Any suggestions of good 5 stars in and around beach road that are girl friendly? Cost not a big issue. The company pays LOL.

Thanks.

Treetown Area.

Bar named Sexy. Stream everyday.

The Star got nose surgery.

Not all that pretty to begin with.

Pre Surgar. Maybe a 5.

Post Surger. Maybe a 3.75.

Look now like Pinocchio. Weird choice of alterations or maybe Dr did a bad job.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824139]Quiet? You must be talking about 6 am Tuesday morning, because it definitely has not been quiet the last few days with the holiday. It took some friends 4 hours to get here from Bangkok Friday because of the traffic. It was taking them an hour on the baht bus to get from their hotel Siam at Siam on 2nd Road to the food court on Pattaya Klang. They finally got out on Beach Road and walked the rest of the way.

LT Thai Friendly chick just left. She walked in the door last night giving GFE and could not wait to get the dick inside her this morning when she woke up.[/QUOTE]There was a 3 day holiday this weekend, so Pattaya was jammed with visitors from Bangkok. And, the top tier venues like Windmill can be jammed even during Low Season.

But, most ladies are fairly desperate for customers. I went to Ban Chang and barfined a MILF who clearly hadn't been laid for a long time. We came back to Pattaya, and I barfined a second lady, who was herself pretty horny, although professionally so.

One good thing about Low Season is sometimes you get a lady who hasn't been laid in a while (Thai men are expensive in Pattaya), and she is horny all night.

Whereas in High Season, they want you to cum and go quick quick.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2824289]The traffic on second road is brutal every day. Central festival is packed when I've been at weekends. Couldn't get a seat in Windmill, Pin up or XS on Sunday night![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824139]Quiet? You must be talking about 6 am Tuesday morning, because it definitely has not been quiet the last few days with the holiday. It took some friends 4 hours to get here from Bangkok Friday because of the traffic. It was taking them an hour on the baht bus to get from their hotel Siam at Siam on 2nd Road to the food court on Pattaya Klang. They finally got out on Beach Road and walked the rest of the way.[/QUOTE]On the other hand, LK Metro / Buakhao and surrounding areas are pretty quiet after 1 am. The gym I go to feels like a ghost town compared to last year. Second and third tier ladies report abrupt loss of business. The prime time tourist activities like Central and Walking Street are flush and doing well, as are top shelf ladies- the rest in my observation has thinned out. If you are not a [b]Premium Experience Monger[/b], this is just about as good as it can get.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2824319]Too much for Saggy Booobs. Hahahahaha. No offense.

I bet the body behind the Sag was big too. Hahahah. No offense.

Recently I took a look and 77.77% were plus sized. Hahahaha. No offense.

I'm just playing bro. Good Job.[/QUOTE]I propose that for every "no offense" offered by our rascally Chan Chalupa, he should be required to post a photo of a girl he has bagged with price. The price of credibility is putting yourself out there. Right now, I don't see anything like this from you CC. No offense.

What are you gogo guys going to do? Looks like a totally different business model is coming to fruition. I was talking to a chick on Thai Friendly last night that says she loves working at the gogo. She said she is making money hand over fist there, so much that she does not even have to go with customers. Is it the guys running in buying all the drinks, or something else that is keeping her pockets full?

Met another chick on Thai Friendly that came over. She told me this crazy ass story that I still can't wrap my mind around. During covid she had a friend out of the country. The friend had a tomboy ex that was caring for her newborn baby. Somehow they got put out of where they were staying. The friend asked her to pick them up on Soi Leng Kee. She picked them up and have been taking care of them ever since. She said the tomboy is lazy. The chick that came to see me mom is actually taking care of the friend's older child back in the province. I said how is it your responsibility to take care of this chick's kid? She said she does not know. It is like she pulled some kind of mind control hot potato baby shit on the girl.

Thai people take advantage of Thai people the same as they do with foreigners. This is not my first time hearing a story like this. Some lady told me that a chick I used to mess with just went and left her baby with a lady at the salon an disappeared. Hell I did not even know that she had a kid. These people must have really good hearts because I would have taken these kids (and tomboy) straight to the fire station or orphanage, if I would have even picked them up in the first place.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2824460]I propose that for every "no offense" offered by our rascally Chan Chalupa, he should be required to post a photo of a girl he has bagged with price. The price of credibility is putting yourself out there. Right now, I don't see anything like this from you CC. No offense.[/QUOTE]You are Freee to walk in and see what's up. I did and all I saw were big ladies in the Cheap Seats. Aka 2,700 providers. I can't remember exact price as I made a Beeline out the door.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824464]What are you gogo guys going to do? Looks like a totally different business model is coming to fruition. I was talking to a chick on Thai Friendly last night that says she loves working at the gogo. She said she is making money hand over fist there, so much that she does not even have to go with customers. Is it the guys running in buying all the drinks, or something else that is keeping her pockets full?.[/QUOTE]Yea gogo bars are crazy I only go in them so I can keep up to date on what's going on in town. Guys are reporting that chick have to get a minimum of five drinks to bar fine so if it's early and you want to take a chick you have to buy her five drinks plus pay 1500 baht bar fine plus at least 3000 baht st at some of the clubs on walking street. Funny thing is some guys have said that the even if the chick has had five drinks already they sometimes make the guy that wants here buy another five that's crazy. Yea I do think most of the better chicks work in the top gogo bars but you can go to the clubs Mystt and Republic and get something just as good for one fourth the price.

Pattaya Shocking Update.

LK Champagne club closed for last two days. No notice outside. Not good.

As hinted in my last post hooters closed for good.

LK friends gogo opens and closes in the same week.

Soi 6 trivia.

Is there a pay phone on Soi 6? Where?

Cheapest lady drink on Soi 6? Double digits? Where?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2824395]There was a 3 day holiday this weekend, so Pattaya was jammed with visitors from Bangkok. And, the top tier venues like Windmill can be jammed even during Low Season.

But, most ladies are fairly desperate for customers. I went to Ban Chang and barfined a MILF who clearly hadn't been laid for a long time. We came back to Pattaya, and I barfined a second lady, who was herself pretty horny, although professionally so.[/QUOTE]Anyone else consider Windmill top tier. Weird.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824464]What are you gogo guys going to do? Looks like a totally different business model is coming to fruition. I was talking to a chick on Thai Friendly last night that says she loves working at the gogo. She said she is making money hand over fist there, so much that she does not even have to go with customers. Is it the guys running in buying all the drinks, or something else that is keeping her pockets full?

Met another chick on Thai Friendly that came over. She told me this crazy ass story that I still can't wrap my mind around. During covid she had a friend out of the country. The friend had a tomboy ex that was caring for her newborn baby. Somehow they got put out of where they were staying. The friend asked her to pick them up on Soi Leng Kee. She picked them up and have been taking care of them ever since. She said the tomboy is lazy. The chick that came to see me mom is actually taking care of the friend's older child back in the province. I said how is it your responsibility to take care of this chick's kid? She said she does not know. It is like she pulled some kind of mind control hot potato baby shit on the girl..[/QUOTE]I'm sure there are girls who get 100 drinks a night. Say $2 per drink that's $200 at night. Anything less is not making hand over fist.

1. Where does she work?

2. What is she doing on Thai Friendly?

3. Ask her shirt time price. If she say 1,000 baht she probably a liar.

4. Is she Hot?

6. Is she Dark Skin of Good Colour.

To get context we need all questions answered. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824464]What are you gogo guys going to do? Looks like a totally different business model is coming to fruition. [/QUOTE]The same will happen as in Patong probably.

* Minimum amount of ladydrinks required before a barfine (already happening in XS / Pinup I understood).

* Extremely high prices for ST / LT (no incentive to fuck a guy and Koreans pay 10 K without blinking anyway).

Basically XS / Pinup has "destroyed" the market. They pay high salaries and got the cute chicks. All the other gogobars got mediocre ladies at best. Probably 50% of the gogobars are out of business within 5 years and two kind of Gogo's will be left.

1. Upscale gogos like XS / Pinup.

2. Sleazy once like windmill / KINK.

Keep in mind SOME chicks make good money on drinks only. But a LOT do not get the minimum drinks and switch bars all the time.

So what the ladies do who NOT get the drink quota? Probably go to bars or freelance.

So the 8/9/10 lookers are fine and the 5/6/7 (average looking girls) will have a lot of competition (so these prices might stay reasonable).

Thats my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2824641]Anyone else consider Windmill top tier. Weird.[/QUOTE]Windmill is top tier in terms of numbers of customers. Do you disagree?

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2824368]Might be lucky to be coming to Pattaya again in first week of July.

Last time got shafted on hotel location. Was a little far out. PEACH convention.

Any suggestions of good 5 stars in and around beach road that are girl friendly? Cost not a big issue. The company pays LOL.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If only there were a topic here called "Pattaya Hotels."

The plot is being lost.

My point is you are not going to get Hot girls on the Cheap.

People pay ungodly amounts to Ugly Girls all the time. Not my issue here.

On my way to Pattaya had a 17 hour layover in Fukuoka. Had to leave the airport as my departure airport didn't give me the 2nd leg boarding pass.

Actually leaving and getting a hotel for $60 was better than spending 17 hours in an airport.

Fukuoka everything very efficiently run.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2824647]The same will happen as in Patong probably.

* Minimum amount of ladydrinks required before a barfine (already happening in XS / Pinup I understood).

* Extremely high prices for ST / LT (no incentive to fuck a guy and Koreans pay 10 K without blinking anyway).

Basically XS / Pinup has "destroyed" the market. They pay high salaries and got the cute chicks. All the other gogobars got mediocre ladies at best. Probably 50% of the gogobars are out of business within 5 years and two kind of Gogo's will be left.

1. Upscale gogos like XS / Pinup.

2. Sleazy once like windmill / KINK.

Keep in mind SOME chicks make good money on drinks only. But a LOT do not get the minimum drinks and switch bars all the time..[/QUOTE]Look at incomes in Korea. I doubt many are paying 10,000. I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2824677]Windmill is top tier in terms of numbers of customers. Do you disagree?[/QUOTE]By that metric you got me bro. Hahaha. It does get busy.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2824683]Look at incomes in Korea. I doubt many are paying 10,000. I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]Some ladies report that some Koreans pay big money for Short Time at gogos, but I haven't heard 10,000 for ST.

Glad to see so many seekers of the dimes. Or the 9's and 10's in looks. The gogos like Pinup can have them and their 10 K baht customers. Kink and Windmill. Maybe when I was younger and ran with a wingman I would like it but not now. Thank Buddah for the willing ladies in Pattaya. Some on beachroad, some on Soy 6 that are 7's and still tingle my spine for 1,500 or 1,500 plus 300 tip. I would rather have 5 sessions with average looking ladies over a week than one shot with a 9 in looks. I am willing to admit it might be because I am getting older and just want a no no nonsense fuck - and I don't take Instagram DSLR pictures of the ladies anymore.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2824647]

* Minimum amount of ladydrinks required before a barfine (already happening in XS / Pinup I understood).

* Extremely high prices for ST / LT (no incentive to fuck a guy and Koreans pay 10 K without blinking anyway).

Basically XS / Pinup has "destroyed" the market. They pay high salaries and got the cute chicks. All the other gogobars got mediocre ladies at best. Probably 50% of the gogobars are out of business within 5 years and two kind of Gogo's will be left.

1. Upscale gogos like XS / Pinup.

2. Sleazy once like windmill / KINK.

Keep in mind SOME chicks make good money on drinks only. But a LOT do not get the minimum drinks and switch bars all the time.

So what the ladies do who NOT get the drink quota? Probably go to bars or freelance.

So the 8/9/10 lookers are fine and the 5/6/7 (average looking girls) will have a lot of competition (so these prices might stay reasonable).

Thats my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I finally got around to taking a deeper dive into [B]Soi 6[/B] and my takeaway is relevant to your post and the other posts about this drink only crap.

The girls I approach: petite, slim, can have dark skin. Face 6. 5-8. 5. Sexy vibe.

I do not approach girls higher or lower than this in face range, I do not approach tall "model" girls or Chan Chalupa branded fatties and saggies. (Maybe that one time).

I will buy one round of drinks to test the waters. Some girls will feign ignorance that sex is even on offer on Soi 6 and act confused. Usually 3 out of 4 ladies described as above will end up being drink only. I would guess anything 8. 5 above in the face would be almost 100% drink only. Inevitably the girls that will agree to ST will be in the 6. 5-7 face range and ask 1200-1500 +room.

After slogging through 3 rounds or so of "testing the waters" drinks I will generally find a girl to my liking, but this is a lot of money and time wasted. I don't necessarily enjoy talking one more time about where I'm from, how long I'm staying, blah blah.

The girls that I finally do get upstairs often seem strangely inexperienced and expecting vanilla condom only missionary, doggy, cum inside condom sex. This is not how I roll. Sometimes it's hard for me to believe that none of you have initiated these girls into the wonderful world of things like deepthroat and cum in mouth, cum in pussy- but this is what the girls are claiming. It makes me wonder if mongers such as myself are the minority in Pattaya and the main type of punter is content buying rack after rack of shots for random Isaan girls while pretending to enjoy connect 4. I mean did you guys know that we used to have an expectation that these girls would be fucking us? That was the main point of Soi 6.

I see Soi 6 as a backup plan after making the rounds at all the GC's, where for now sex is still the primary draw and reasonably priced. Quality is not stellar, and it does find some work to find an acceptable girl, but there are some hidden gems out there (I'm not going to divulge), and overall the effort expended is less than the Soi 6 gauntlet. These girls suck and fuck everyday and are not expecting boring vanilla type stuff.

If you want sex, ThaiFriendly and GC's are the way to go. Otherwise, I hope you like Connect 4 and competing with Koreans for who can waste the most money on girls that are never going to have sex with you.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2824683]Look at incomes in Korea. I doubt many are paying 10,000. I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]It's actually part of their culture. Two Korean guys walk into a Gogo? Two or more? That could easily be jackpot because those guys start "competing" who spend the most.

I know several girls from a Gogo who focus on Koreans only for that reason. Why go LT with a farang for 3 K ex barfine if you can have a Korean who is willing to pay 10 k.

[QUOTE=SplitPersona;2824628]Pattaya Shocking Update.

Cheapest lady drink on Soi 6? Double digits? Where?[/QUOTE]You'll save 50 baht per drink at best.

It seems that Nightwish bars are 150 baht, not the most expensive ones, BabyCool is 170 for example and it can depend on what the girl takes too.

When it comes to prices they do whatever they want (and the girls charge whatever they want to) regardless of the quality of the place, for example Playpen has the shittiest bed in the whole soi I guess, and yet they charge more than others (400 bahts).

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2824772]I know several girls from a Gogo who focus on Koreans only for that reason. Why go LT with a farang for 3 K ex barfine if you can have a Korean who is willing to pay 10 k.[/QUOTE]I'm not even sure they take these girls out on ST or LT.

Some of them like to blow the money in the gogo, that's for sure.

One night I was in Palace, 2 Koreans left empty handed with a 8 K bill just next to me. Another night in Iron, some of them were constantly ringing the bell and paying loads of tequila racks for random girls. Another night in Fahrenheit 2 guys were throwing 20 bahts bills and ping pong balls. They pay drinks for almost any girls that come and talk them. That's the primary reason girls are targeting them.

One of my regulars came over for drinks this afternoon and was unusually kissy. Since she has a Thai husband and a full time Farang customer, I knew something was up.

Sure enough, after an hour or so, she asked to borrow 3,000 baht.

I told her the ATM was closed, and soon after, sent her home (because another lady was coming soon).

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2824395]There was a 3 day holiday this weekend, so Pattaya was jammed with visitors from Bangkok. And, the top tier venues like Windmill can be jammed even during Low Season.
But, most ladies are fairly desperate for customers. I went to Ban Chang and barfined a MILF who clearly hadn't been laid for a long time. We came back to Pattaya, and I barfined a second lady, who was herself pretty horny, although professionally so.[/QUOTE]I agree that most ladies seem to be desperate for customers. Never ever before have I received so many likes and mails in Thai Friendly in my first 24 hours in town. It was unbelievable. It already started when the bus from Bangkok had barely reached the city limits, around 1 PM. And it went on and on. By midnight I had dozens of them.
Of course more than half of the ladies were too old, too ugly, too heavy, too skinny, too 'photo shopped', or any combination of those, as usual. But there were plenty of nice options in the other half, with girls ranging from 18 to 35 yo (my target group), and with quite a lot of 7's and 8's.

Nevertheless it was a real PITA to make an appointment with one of them. Some of the girls I contacted did not reply anymore after we had exchanged some messages, or they replied after 30 minutes or even more. In the meantime I had already contacted another girl.
Then when I thought I had finally made an appointment with a really nice looking girl, she didn't confirm it.
So I made an appointment with another one, but she didn't show up and didn't even read my messages anymore!
By that time it was 9:30 pm, and I was rather pissed because I prefer to have my sessions in the afternoon, or early evening at the latest.
But I had just received a 'like' from a cute 20 yo, a little spinner who ticked all my boxes. She replied instantly, asked 'only' 1500 (most of the girls were asking 2000), agreed on BBFS right away, and about 20 minutes later she was in my room. Now it is very much hit or miss with these young girls, in my experience, but this one was a definite hit. Sweet girl with a flawless body, a lovely round little butt, no tattoos, and a tight pussy. She saved my day.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2824772]I know several girls from a Gogo who focus on Koreans only for that reason. Why go LT with a farang for 3 K ex barfine if you can have a Korean who is willing to pay 10 k.[/QUOTE]You speak as if that option presents itself daily in a predictable way. Like the girl shows up for work and knows she will have those 2 choices right in front of her. The girl is not shooing off the 3 K guy at 10 pm because she is sure the 10 K guy will be there at midnight.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2824830]Never ever before have I received so many likes and mails in Thai Friendly in my first 24 hours in town. It was unbelievable. It already started when the bus from Bangkok had barely reached the city limits, around 1 PM. And it went on and on. By midnight I had dozens of them.[/QUOTE]A buddy of mine signed up the other day and his inbox was rocking. Problem is that he is an older guy and looks like he will never be able to keep up and be efficient with the process. I was showing him how the girl gives her Line then how he has to add her ID to his Line. It was taking him 15 minutes to just do that. So by the time he talks to a couple of chicks and he adds them to Line and they stop responding, he will have wasted an entire day.

It is a numbers game just like anything else. You assume the chicks are there and trying to get money, but even when they say it, they do not show it. Had a chick supposed to come yesterday after I was too busy for the last few days to see her. She said she would come in 1 hour. I said you need to be here in 15 minutes. She said ok. After 30 minutes she still had not left her house. Then when I call her on it she is going to tell me to fuck off as if she was doing me a favor.

If someone is ready to give you some money then you would think hey I am going to get there as quick as I can while the getting is good. But not these chicks. Just goes to show how true Neil Hutchison's books are. You are the last priority after the fleas on her dog's dick, no matter what you are trying to do for her.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2824830]Nevertheless it was a real PITA to make an appointment with one of them. Some of the girls I contacted did not reply anymore after we had exchanged some messages, or they replied after 30 minutes or even more. In the meantime I had already contacted another girl.
Then when I thought I had finally made an appointment with a really nice looking girl, she didn't confirm it.
So I made an appointment with another one, but she didn't show up and didn't even read my messages anymore![/QUOTE]The shit is like herding cats. Working within the system is pretty much second nature to me after all these years, and I do not hesitate to delete someone as quick as I added them.

P.S. Went and met up with a chick on there the other day who drives Bolt. The next day I asked her how work was going. She only had 2 fares from 2 pm to 10 pm.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2824765]I will buy one round of drinks to test the waters. After slogging through 3 rounds or so of "testing the waters" drinks I will generally find a girl to my liking, but this is a lot of money and time wasted. I mean did you guys know that we used to have an expectation that these girls would be fucking us?[/QUOTE]And that is why if I plan to fuck then I just walk up and say lets go boom boom. It is point and shoot. No need for questions and no need for drinks.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2824765]I don't necessarily enjoy talking one more time about where I'm from, how long I'm staying, blah blah.[/QUOTE]Went and met up with a Thai Friendly chick the other night that works in a Treetown bar. She was telling me that she gets as tired of asking that same shit as you get tired of hearing it.

The other day driving down Soi Pothole I see a chick I used to fuck from Soi 6. I stop and talk to her and tell her I will send her a message later. When I got home and sent the message she did not respond until hours later. I went up to the bar later to buy her a drink and ask her why she did not respond. She said when she gets to work the boss makes them put the cell phones away. I noticed it must have been the same at the other places on the street. Then I noticed the same in Treetown. Maybe guys in other threads that report their anger about going into bars just to see chicks on their phones need to make a trip to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2824830]I agree that most ladies seem to be desperate for customers. Never ever before have I received so many likes and mails in Thai Friendly in my first 24 hours in town. It was unbelievable. It already started when the bus from Bangkok had barely reached the city limits, around 1 PM. And it went on and on. By midnight I had dozens of them.
Of course more than half of the ladies were too old, too ugly, too heavy, too skinny, too 'photo shopped', or any combination of those, as usual. But there were plenty of nice options in the other half, with girls ranging from 18 to 35 yo (my target group), and with quite a lot of 7's and 8's.

Sweet girl with a flawless body, a lovely round little butt, no tattoos, and a tight pussy. She saved my day.[/QUOTE]If you take TF likes and messages as a sign of girls being desperate you are going to keep on having bad surprises.

Unless you go for junkies and uglies or oldies, it's hard to find a decent looking girl being desperate in Pattaya at the moment.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2824765]The girls that I finally do get upstairs often seem strangely inexperienced and expecting vanilla condom only missionary, doggy, cum inside condom sex. This is not how I roll. Sometimes it's hard for me to believe that none of you have initiated these girls into the wonderful world of things like deepthroat and cum in mouth, cum in pussy- but this is what the girls are claiming. It makes me wonder if mongers such as myself are the minority in Pattaya and the main type of punter is content buying rack after rack of shots for random Isaan girls while pretending to enjoy connect 4. I mean did you guys know that we used to have an expectation that these girls would be fucking us? That was the main point of Soi 6.[/QUOTE]There is a constant turn-over in that soi. Girls come and go pretty quickly for diverse reasons it seems. Nightwish seems to be the most powerfull force to bring new girls in, their touts are doing a good job of attracting new talent over facebook or instagram. But it seems that many of them are thrown in without a proper understanding of what they have to do to succeed. Inevitably a lot of them quit after a few weeks or months because they didn't expect it to be that hard (they cannot succeed in making their drink quotas, they are not able to learn English, don't like to have sex with random guys or whatever else reasons). That's why so many of them are inexperienced or "drink only". The ones able to make it are the cuties that relate only on drinks, and the average looking ones who learned to be patient and learned how to sip drinks from customers from time to time and probably get a few regulars, plus the freelancers who rely almost exclusively on ST and LT (maybe you need to meet some of these to get a better sex experience).

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2824765]Otherwise, I hope you like Connect 4 and competing with Koreans for who can waste the most money on girls that are never going to have sex with you.[/QUOTE]After one drink (or even before as stated by other members) we should be able to know if the girl is going to go upstairs or not, and cut our losses early if it's not the case.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824849]And that is why if I plan to fuck then I just walk up and say lets go boom boom. It is point and shoot. No need for questions .[/QUOTE]This might be the way to go. I mean it's how it works in a GC. Anyone else try this before?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2824887]This might be the way to go. I mean it's how it works in a GC. Anyone else try this before?[/QUOTE]Yes.

I think all this Hate against Koreans spending Gobs of money in WS agogos is false rage.

We're any of you Barfining in these places Pre. Covid?

Nothing's changed Outrageous Barfine s kept me from going all in then and it's still same same for me now.

Let it go Fellas.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2824887]This might be the way to go. I mean it's how it works in a GC. Anyone else try this before?[/QUOTE]I never buy a lady drink. I just discuss what I want in the session and the cost and go to the room or leave.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2824829]One of my regulars came over for drinks this afternoon and was unusually kissy. Since she has a Thai husband and a full time Farang customer, I knew something was up.

Sure enough, after an hour or so, she asked to borrow 3,000 baht.

I told her the ATM was closed, and soon after, sent her home (because another lady was coming soon).[/QUOTE]Did you pay her 2,000. Then she ask to Borrow 3 k?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2824830]Nevertheless it was a real PITA to make an appointment with one of them. Some of the girls I contacted did not reply anymore after we had exchanged some messages, or they replied after 30 minutes or even more. In the meantime I had already contacted another girl.[/QUOTE]Exactly the reason I deleted my account on this app. Most of these girls are full of shit and it's a pain in the ass to find a few doables anyway, really not worth the effort for a 1 month (or less) trip.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2824765]I finally got around to taking a deeper dive into [B]Soi 6[/B] and my takeaway is relevant to posts about this drink only crap. . . . It makes me wonder if the main type of punter is content buying rack after rack of shots for random Isaan girls while pretending to enjoy Connect Four. I mean did you guys know that we used to have an expectation that these girls would be fucking us? That was the main point of Soi 6. . . . I hope you like Connect 4 and competing with Koreans for who can waste the most money on girls that are never going to have sex with you.[/QUOTE]As usual, Mr. Sopheni's analysis is both trenchant and well written. Thanks to him for taking the time to post.

I think we can all agree the girls and the bars are very clever about doing the absolute minimum that they can get away with, while still making enough money to get by. In theory the customers control this. Back In The Day, the clientele was homogeneous in their demographics and demands. (This was especially true of the ex-pats.) They knew what they wanted, they knew the going rate and they would brook no sass. The folks on Soi Six might have been able to get over every now and then at the margin. (Usually when a drunk guy settled for an experience he didn't really want, or a girl that fell short of his spec.) But by and large, the girls and the bar owners knew the score and met the demands of their regular clientele.

I realize that this isn't an original thought, but I think the internet spoiled the fun. The number of guys who knew about Soi Six increased exponentially, and some fraction of them found their way to the bars in person. These customers were a very diverse lot. Lots of them didn't know how Soi Six was "supposed" to work. Lots of them knew, but didn't care. Eventually the girls and the bar owners discovered there were customers who were willing to pay FAR above the going rate for sex. (And as Mr. Sopheni laments, willing to settle for the sexual equivalent of a "short pour.") There were also new customers who were happy to pay Soi Six prices for sex-adjacent services. And there were even guys who were happy to just sit and drink with their mates. Perhaps the Soi Six vibe was enough entertainment for them. Perhaps some of them were part of that younger generation of guys who seem less interested in sex. Who knows?

It really doesn't matter. Because the girls and the bar owners are a clever adversary. They work on Soi Six every single day. As the naughty boys come and go, they have become adept at sussing out how to extract maximum money for minimum sex. So long as the demographics of the patrons continues to expand, so long as their demands for sex continue to drop, the folks who run Soi Six and who work there are going to charge more money for less naughty.

Bunky

Shocking just shocking!

Red Planet is offering rooms at $15 on Expedia.

Walking distance to World Famous Soy 6.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2824915]Did you pay her 2,000. Then she ask to Borrow 3 k?[/QUOTE]She asked for the 3,000 before I paid her the usual 2,000 baht.

I would probably have lent her the 3,000 if she hadn't led up to it by being all kissy face.

After a 12 hour flight you see this. I like Pattaya but I don't know if I want to go through this.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2824872]If you take TF likes and messages as a sign of girls being desperate you are going to keep on having bad surprises.
Unless you go for junkies and uglies or oldies, it's hard to find a decent looking girl being desperate in Pattaya at the moment.[/QUOTE]I totally disagree. Compared to September and June last year, when I was here a couple of weeks as well, I have received (and still receive), way more likes and messages. And not just from 'junkies and uglies or oldies' as you put it, but also from attractive young girls. The percentage of the latter contacting me, is usually much lower. Normally I have to make the first move, and be happy if 10 to 20 percent replies, but now I have a lot of choice.
If you cannot find a decent looking girl in Pattaya right now, you must be chasing only 8's and up.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2825012]After a 12 hour flight you see this. I like Pattaya but I don't know if I want to go through this.[/QUOTE]I guess it all depends on the time and day. I arrived here last Sunday morning, and went through immigration in just 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2825023]I guess it all depends on the time and day. I arrived here last Sunday morning, and went through immigration in just 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]Arrived 255 pm Yesterday Thursday. I got thru immigration in 4 minutes.

Thai Air from fukuoka was 20% occupied.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2824990]As usual, Mr. Sopheni's analysis is both trenchant and well written. Thanks to him for taking the time to post.

I think we can all agree the girls and the bars are very clever about doing the absolute minimum that they can get away with, while still making enough money to get by. In theory the customers control this. Back In The Day, the clientele was homogeneous in their demographics and demands. (This was especially true of the ex-pats.) They knew what they wanted, they knew the going rate and they would brook no sass. The folks on Soi Six might have been able to get over every now and then at the margin. (Usually when a drunk guy settled for an experience he didn't really want, or a girl that fell short of his spec.) But by and large, the girls and the bar owners knew the score and met the demands of their regular clientele.

I realize that this isn't an original thought, but I think the internet spoiled the fun. The number of guys who knew about Soi Six increased exponentially, and some fraction of them found their way to the bars in person. These customers were a very diverse lot. Lots of them didn't know how Soi Six was "supposed" to work. Lots of them knew, but didn't care. Eventually the girls and the bar owners discovered there were customers who were willing to pay FAR above the going rate for sex. (And as Mr. Sopheni laments, willing to settle for the sexual equivalent of a "short pour.") There were also new customers who were happy to pay Soi Six prices for sex-adjacent services. And there were even guys who were happy to just sit and drink with their mates. Perhaps the Soi Six vibe was enough entertainment for them. Perhaps some of them were part of that younger generation of guys who seem less interested in sex. Who knows?

It really doesn't matter. Because the girls and the bar owners are a clever adversary. They work on Soi Six every single day. As the naughty boys come and go, they have become adept at sussing out how to extract maximum money for minimum sex. So long as the demographics of the patrons continues to expand, so long as their demands for sex continue to drop, the folks who run Soi Six and who work there are going to charge more money for less naughty.

Bunky[/QUOTE]Eloquently stated. That you sir!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2824794]I'm not even sure they take these girls out on ST or LT.

Some of them like to blow the money in the gogo, that's for sure.

One night I was in Palace, 2 Koreans left empty handed with a 8 K bill just next to me. Another night in Iron, some of them were constantly ringing the bell and paying loads of tequila racks for random girls. Another night in Fahrenheit 2 guys were throwing 20 bahts bills and ping pong balls. They pay drinks for almost any girls that come and talk them. That's the primary reason girls are targeting them.[/QUOTE]It kinda sounds like a group of guys having fun. You know, like regular people, because everybody's not perverts that have to pay for their next fuck. Just saying. Peace bro.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2824912]I never buy a lady drink. I just discuss what I want in the session and the cost and go to the room or leave.[/QUOTE]I might give this a try (I've definitely done this with a few that approach on the street). The downside is that you miss some of the girls that are a bit more reserved who need a bit more coaxing. But the whole rigamarole of buying the "get to know her" drink is really draining when repeated multiple times a night. Benefits, cost.

Every day, I get worthless messages on social media from ladies. Just routine messages that they probably send to all their Farang friends every day.

I am trying to think of a polite response to tell them to please stop.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2824909]Yes.

I think all this Hate against Koreans spending Gobs of money in WS agogos is false rage.

We're any of you Barfining in these places Pre. Covid?

Nothing's changed Outrageous Barfine s kept me from going all in then and it's still same same for me now.

Let it go Fellas.[/QUOTE]I partially agree with this (at least with regards to Soi 6- I really don't have an opinion about GoGos because I never go go to them). The hate is a bit overblown.

Koreans tend to go places en masse and rarely do you see the lone pair walking around in a Farang area (Buakhao) - or god forbid all by himself. They are uncomfortable in areas they are not the majority. They have completely colonized Angeles City in the Philippines to the point where its finished as a scene, and now a few top tier GoGos in Pattaya are hanging on the brink. They have a small beachhead in Soi 6 where the few brave Koreans who can operate without backup wander- but I don't think they are completely throwing the market there all by themselves.

As Mr Bunky points out, the internet has a big part of changing things, and Soi 6 is now advertised on Facebook, twitter, and instagram where the primary activity is buying racks of shots for scantily clad girls. Full stop. Younger mongers seem to have jumped at this concept for whatever reason. It might be due to lower testosterone levels in the Millenials, or some sort of residual Woke social programming where sex with women is seen as exploitative- but for whatever reason it seems that most men of all ethnicities are going to Soi 6 to buy expensive drinks and have shitty conversations in google translate with or without the Koreans causing all of this.

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[QUOTE=Paolo99;2824879]

After one drink (or even before as stated by other members) we should be able to know if the girl is going to go upstairs or not, and cut our losses early if it's not the case.[/QUOTE]I'm gathering from your posts that Soi 6 is your go-to place when you are in town and you've had good success there. Care to give us a walk through of your methodology with a little bit more detail?

Gents has anyone ever stayed at Aya Boutique Hotel or Centara Azure Hotel? Just wanted to know if they are guest friendly. TIA.

On Soi 6 only one girl in five accepts to make eye contact with me. This is frustrating but given the quantity of girls, I still have no problem finding new girls. I never pay drinks but of late I have accepted to pay some girls 1,500. In the past, I never paid more than 1000 to the girl.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2825067]Gents has anyone ever stayed at Aya Boutique Hotel or Centara Azure Hotel? Just wanted to know if they are guest friendly. TIA.[/QUOTE]If only there was a topic called "Pattaya Hotels". I am sure you would find an answer there.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2825020]I totally disagree. Compared to September and June last year, when I was here a couple of weeks as well, I have received (and still receive), way more likes and messages. And not just from 'junkies and uglies or oldies' as you put it, but also from attractive young girls. The percentage of the latter contacting me, is usually much lower. Normally I have to make the first move, and be happy if 10 to 20 percent replies, but now I have a lot of choice.[/QUOTE]You said it yourself in your first post.

You received dozens of likes and messages from different girls, yet you considered yourself lucky when one came by to your room. They were desperate but at the same time didn't even want to answer your messages, that makes no sense. We would think that a desperate girl would instantly make her way to your place at the moment you tell her you want her to come over. If they were that desperate they would do anything possible to get you as a new customer, which obviously they didn't put any effort in by reading your first post.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2825020]If you cannot find a decent looking girl in Pattaya right now, you must be chasing only 8's and up.[/QUOTE]Finding one decent looking girl in Pattaya (or even many) is one thing, but finding her desperate is another story. The fact that she sells her body in Pattaya doesn't make her desperate, words have meaning you know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824849]
When I got home and sent the message she did not respond until hours later. I went up to the bar later to buy her a drink and ask her why she did not respond. She said when she gets to work the boss makes them put the cell phones away. I noticed it must have been the same at the other places on the street. Then I noticed the same in Treetown. Maybe guys in other threads that report their anger about going into bars just to see chicks on their phones need to make a trip to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Well said. That's a thing to think about.

But. (Always the but) is a two-thing then? As you're horny at THAT moment, and not one or two hours later.

I also ditched non-responisive ladies from TF. Especially if they started to act 'annoyed' bc I booked another lady or just lost interest.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2825020]I totally disagree. Compared to September and June last year, when I was here a couple of weeks as well, I have received (and still receive), way more likes and messages. And not just from 'junkies and uglies or oldies' as you put it, but also from attractive young girls. The percentage of the latter contacting me, is usually much lower. Normally I have to make the first move, and be happy if 10 to 20 percent replies, but now I have a lot of choice..[/QUOTE]This is music to my ears, glad to hear reports like this. Seems like the opinions on the current state of Pattaya are heavily split. Looking forward to getting back there for the first time since last October and formulating my own position on this debate. I get the sense that things have improved since last year in terms of the number of available girls and the quality as long as you're not expecting endless dime pieces.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2825058]you've had good success there.[/QUOTE]Not really, I left a few times empty handed or with a so-so experience.

It's just that other places were a no go for me (talent too poor or prices too high), so I ended up going in that street over and over to meet girls for fuck.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2825058] Care to give us a walk through of your methodology with a little bit more detail?[/QUOTE]My MO is pretty simple and not sophisticated at all but the results are very hit and miss.

I just walk up and down the soi a few times and try to make a connection with a girl that I find attractive enough to spend some time with her downstairs (she's got to put at least a minimum of interest in me, like eye contact, a smile, or a gesture to attract my attention). Each time I've walked directly to a girl without her showing a bit of interest resulted in a failure (she asked too much or didn't put any effort in the process).

I don't mind losing the price of a drink on her if I found out she is not worth it and I try to gather all the relevant information during that time (age, how long she's been doing this job, how long in that bar, how many babies and so on). If I find out some answers that I don't like (or if I see some things that I don't like on her body or attitude) I cut it short, same goes if she sips her drink too quick and asks for another one, or if she just shows no interest while we are sitting together, I just tell her I'm going to finish my drink and move on.

If the girl is fun I can pay her one more drink for our first encounter, I always try to be handy on her, see if she is shy, get at least some kisses but most of the time I don't discuss service (except if she is open-minded but most of the time, the girls that I target are inexperienced), I focus more on her price tag.

If the session was good upstairs I'll keep her as a repeat but I also repeated some average sessions with girls I had a good connection with just because I couldn't find anything else at that time.

Which leads to my biggest concern, going back to that soi over and over make things more complicated to find new talent, as the girls that I've met earlier express some willingness to repeat a session with me and I don't really want to reject a girl that I've spent a good time with a few days or weeks earlier so I try to avoid them rather than rejecting them.

Overall it's very hit and miss, had some very good encounters, some average ones and a few not worth the effort.

Any people would want to share their MO in that soi? I'm curious and not satisfied with the results during this trip, and probably will make a few adjustments for my next trip there.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2824879]After one drink (or even before as stated by other members) we should be able to know if the girl is going to go upstairs or not, and cut our losses early if it's not the case.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2825058]I'm gathering from your posts that Soi 6 is your go-to place when you are in town and you've had good success there. Care to give us a walk through of your methodology with a little bit more detail?[/QUOTE]I generally ask the girl "do you do bar fines?" before I ever buy her a drink. I've had a lot of "no" answers that have saved me much time and money.

In certain areas the bars are very close to one another and the girls wander from bar to bar to talk to their friends. In these areas (not Soi 6 where the girls mostly stay at their own bar) I can sometimes meet a girl between bars and chat enough to decide if I want to do a bar fine. Sometimes I'll cut a ST deal before I even know what bar she is associated with, though we do need to go to her bar and pay the bar fine.

Seldom do I buy a girl more than one drink. This system works for me because I like to talk to her for a few minutes before committing to ST and I don't drink much alcohol (90% of the time I order water).

Go to thailand, visit soi 6 or wherever and post reports. People should post more of the kind of reports they want to read rather than expect others to. It's the same with people who complain about others paying to much. Why should anyone get to tell other posters how to spend their money or report their experiences.

If you want to find a pretty girl on soi 6, walk down the street looking for one, pay her and find out how it goes. That's the fun of pattaya, finding a fun girl to fuck, not following someone else's directions.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2825184]100% true. I visited 2 x pre covid and I had to sift through tons of pages to find anything meaningful. Planning for a 3rd visit and still the same bickering back and forth. Sigh! Even after spending hours you cannot find anything meaningful or a valuable FR on any particular bar in Soi6 for example. The truly valuable FRs are usually from guys who visit Pattaya every few years on a week long break or something like that. And they are drowned out by all this bull crap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2825184]Planning for a 3rd visit and still the same bickering back and forth. Sigh! Even after spending hours you cannot find anything meaningful or a valuable FR on any particular bar in Soi6 for example. The truly valuable FRs are usually from guys who visit Pattaya every few years on a week long break or something like that. And they are drowned out by all this bull crap.[/QUOTE]You like to be fed by other people? I've got one for you, girl named "Som", dark skin, beautiful face (looks a bit like an Indian girl), very smooth skin, some tattoos, a bit of meat all over her body, very nice bubble butt and puts a very good attitude in her work. She likes guys like you, Indians and Middle Easterns, easy customers she says. You need to know where she works? The massage place right next to Cheap Charlie. Best price you can get her? 1500 baht all in if you're a good negociator.

Looking forward to your report when you'll meet her during your next trip in 3 years.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2825184]100% true. I visited 2 x pre covid and I had to sift through tons of pages to find anything meaningful. Planning for a 3rd visit and still the same bickering back and forth. Sigh! Even after spending hours you cannot find anything meaningful or a valuable FR on any particular bar in Soi6 for example. The truly valuable FRs are usually from guys who visit Pattaya every few years on a week long break or something like that. And they are drowned out by all this bull crap.[/QUOTE]The problem with the reviews you cited. They are so far off from what the Regular s experience. One guy every night seems to find Randoms in Treetown for 1,000 baht and claims they are Kinda Hot. Anyone knows the area knows the girls in the area are downright Frigid as far as looks go.

Yes,. Looks do matter to a lot of us.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2825177]I generally ask the girl "do you do bar fines?" before I ever buy her a drink. I've had a lot of "no" answers that have saved me much time and money.

In certain areas the bars are very close to one another and the girls wander from bar to bar to talk to their friends. In these areas (not Soi 6 where the girls mostly stay at their own bar) I can sometimes meet a girl between bars and chat enough to decide if I want to do a bar fine. Sometimes I'll cut a ST deal before I even know what bar she is associated with, though we do need to go to her bar and pay the bar fine.

Seldom do I buy a girl more than one drink. This system works for me because I like to talk to her for a few minutes before committing to ST and I don't drink much alcohol (90% of the time I order water).[/QUOTE]What do you do after you finish your Short Time with the bargirl?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2825083]You said it yourself in your first post.

You received dozens of likes and messages from different girls, yet you considered yourself lucky when one came by to your room. They were desperate but at the same time didn't even want to answer your messages, that makes no sense. We would think that a desperate girl would instantly make her way to your place at the moment you tell her you want her to come over. If they were that desperate they would do anything possible to get you as a new customer, which obviously they didn't put any effort in by reading your first post.

Finding one decent looking girl in Pattaya (or even many) is one thing, but finding her desperate is another story. The fact that she sells her body in Pattaya doesn't make her desperate, words have meaning you know.[/QUOTE]This is getting over analysed, there may be many other reasons why. They may not be freelancers, they usually don't understand much English so you need to keep it very simple, they get a lot of timewasters, and then there are the creeps. Those are just a few and there's plenty more.

I keep it simple using TF, I send a message "In Pattaya now, ST? I also get premium while I am there so it's at the top of the stack of messages that they get, they know that I am not wasting their time sending messages from abroad and they know what I want.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2825165]
My MO is pretty simple and not sophisticated at all but the results are very hit and miss.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. My technique is pretty similar to yours and also very hit and miss.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2825165]
I just walk up and down the soi a few times and try to make a connection with a girl that I find attractive enough to spend some time with her downstairs (she's got to put at least a minimum of interest in me, like eye contact, a smile, or a gesture to attract my attention). Each time I've walked directly to a girl without her showing a bit of interest resulted in a failure.
[/QUOTE]This is a really important point. As you have said in previous posts, there is a lot of turnover and many girls are just trying out this job for the first time, are just counting the days until their contract is over and will 100% be dead fish. Other girls find that it's work that they can deal with and are naturals. Most of the attention you receive will be with girls you don't want to take, however, so the challenge is walking calmly through the whole gauntlet trying to weigh all the options simultaneously.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2825165]
If the girl is fun I can pay her one more drink for our first encounter, I always try to be handy on her, see if she is shy, get at least some kisses but most of the time I don't discuss service (except if she is open-minded but most of the time, the girls that I target are inexperienced), I focus more on her price tag.
[/QUOTE]I do discuss service usually. If she will not do BBFS, I make sure she is game for a BJ and try to get a reduced price for just this. Most of the attractive girls on Soi 6 are inexperienced.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2825165]
Overall it's very hit and miss, had some very good encounters, some average ones and a few not worth the effort.
[/QUOTE]Ditto this. Soi 6 is a venue where monger technique is key for getting good results so love to hear more from the board.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2825177]I generally ask the girl "do you do bar fines?" before I ever buy her a drink. I've had a lot of "no" answers that have saved me much time and money.

In certain areas the bars are very close to one another and the girls wander from bar to bar to talk to their friends. In these areas (not Soi 6 where the girls mostly stay at their own bar) I can sometimes meet a girl between bars and chat enough to decide if I want to do a bar fine. Sometimes I'll cut a ST deal before I even know what bar she is associated with, though we do need to go to her bar and pay the bar fine.

Seldom do I buy a girl more than one drink. This system works for me because I like to talk to her for a few minutes before committing to ST and I don't drink much alcohol (90% of the time I order water).[/QUOTE]So you prefer to take them to your place rather than on site?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2825349]So you prefer to take them to your place rather than on site?[/QUOTE]Absolutely! Of course, some places the girls are constrained to stay on site. Other cases my hotel is too far from wherever I meet her.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2825177]I generally ask the girl "do you do bar fines?" before I ever buy her a drink. I've had a lot of "no" answers that have saved me much time and money.[/QUOTE]Obviously it seems to be the best way to do it but strangely I never met any girl telling me she doesn't do ST upstairs in soi6 (I never barfine here, I just use the ST rooms).

The two reasons I couldn't go upstairs with her were when she asked a higher price than I was expecting to pay (they never quoted outrageous price, 2 K was the most they asked, so I don't think it was a way to reject me) and when she was uninterested downstairs which is a good indication that she will be even worse upstairs.

Will be in Pattaya for one night and thought of saving the trouble of going to a bar and just look for a freelancer. I will not have much time to choose, so wanted to know in terms of quality (excuse term), which would be the best place to start looking walking street or beach road or Soi buakhao.

I head beach street the quality has gone bad and walking street can get more success with good looking freelancers, however I'm not sure, request others to comment.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2825347]I do discuss service usually. If she will not do BBFS, I make sure she is game for a BJ and try to get a reduced price for just this. Most of the attractive girls on Soi 6 are inexperienced.[/QUOTE]I thought most would refuse BBFS, they always go for the condom in the room. I guess you don't find many who accepts it directly?

First time mongering in Pattaya. It's my first time visiting Thailand. Is there any guides on here for first time mongering? Like do's and don'ts? What is considered a normal price? What prices are rip-offs? Where are the go to's and avoid places?

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825465]First time mongering in Pattaya. It's my first time visiting Thailand. Is there any guides on here for first time mongering? Like do's and don'ts? What is considered a normal price? What prices are rip-offs? Where are the go to's and avoid places?[/QUOTE]RTFF. This means to READ the Freekin' Forums.

[QUOTE=PunyGod;2825416]Will be in Pattaya for one night and thought of saving the trouble of going to a bar and just look for a freelancer. I will not have much time to choose, so wanted to know in terms of quality (excuse term), which would be the best place to start looking walking street or beach road or Soi buakhao.

I head beach street the quality has gone bad and walking street can get more success with good looking freelancers, however I'm not sure, request others to comment.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Just go to those places and see for yourself and make your own decisions on what you like and don't like or do you gave trouble walking and getting around?

[QUOTE=PunyGod;2825416]Will be in Pattaya for one night and thought of saving the trouble of going to a bar and just look for a freelancer. I will not have much time to choose, so wanted to know in terms of quality (excuse term), which would be the best place to start looking walking street or beach road or Soi buakhao.

I head beach street the quality has gone bad and walking street can get more success with good looking freelancers, however I'm not sure, request others to comment.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Also, I hit Beach Road from Walking Street on down about 3 weeks ago. There's enough there to keep you busy.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2825446]I thought most would refuse BBFS, they always go for the condom in the room. I guess you don't find many who accepts it directly?[/QUOTE]Correct. Last summer I had better luck- I wasn't mentioning it upfront at that time. BBFS is most readily available from Thai Friendly freelancers.

That's crazy. Apparently it is supposed to be an off season:

[QUOTE=Turgid;2825012]After a 12 hour flight you see this. I like Pattaya but I don't know if I want to go through this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2825634]Also, I hit Beach Road from Walking Street on down about 3 weeks ago. There's enough there to keep you busy.[/QUOTE]I didn't take any Beach Rd. FLers when I was there last year but based on the YT videos I see, there's decent looking women lined up on the beach. You'll never have to pay more than 1 k baht for one of them and many will go with you for 700-800 baht. There will always be value in Pattaya if you are willing to put in the time to find it.

As cheap as Soi 6 is (average about 1,500 baht total for ST / room), you can save 500-800 baht hitting up Beach Road instead.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2825633]Just go to those places and see for yourself and make your own decisions on what you like and don't like or do you gave trouble walking and getting around?[/QUOTE]I have 4-5 hrs around 2 PM - 7 PM and want to avoid gogo, beach road seems apt, but I heard walking street has better women post 7?, Just wanted to plan this out.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2825804]I didn't take any Beach Rd. FLers when I was there last year but based on the YT videos I see, there's decent looking women lined up on the beach. You'll never have to pay more than 1 k baht for one of them and many will go with you for 700-800 baht. There will always be value in Pattaya if you are willing to put in the time to find it.

As cheap as Soi 6 is (average about 1,500 baht total for ST / room), you can save 500-800 baht hitting up Beach Road instead.[/QUOTE]YT does show a good assortment of FLs on Beach Road, but I prefer bar girls who will sit and drink with you and you can feel if there is a vibe to take it further. I'd also venture to say that many of the Beach Road "girls", aren't what they appear to be! LOL.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2825638]Correct. Last summer I had better luck- I wasn't mentioning it upfront at that time. BBFS is most readily available from Thai Friendly freelancers.[/QUOTE]Yes, when I was there last year, I got it regularly from TF girls without even really asking. If I gave the girl oral sex, she almost always just hopped on me with no condom. Some would just pull out the condom when it was time to fuck, and some I didn't have the interest to do without a condom. But the girls I wanted to do BB, almost all did it for free with no more than a polite request or often no request at all. I think the girls may have been a bit desperate because of the lack of tourists.

Heading for Pattaya in a few hours.

1st order of Business. One week at Red Planet for $125 all in. I actually prefer a Hotel closer to Walk Street but will take this,. Price Matters.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2825804]I didn't take any Beach Rd. FLers when I was there last year but based on the YT videos I see, there's decent looking women lined up on the beach. [/QUOTE]I don't know when those videos were shot, but the quality on Beach Road is horrendous since I came here last week. I have hardly seen a doable girl there.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2825884]I don't know when those videos were shot, but the quality on Beach Road is horrendous since I came here last week. I have hardly seen a doable girl there.[/QUOTE]I've never been asked by a beach road girl if I want to partake in Service s provided.

In not Indians or Middle Eastern.

Connect the Dots.

No Offense. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2825862]YT does show a good assortment of FLs on Beach Road, but I prefer bar girls who will sit and drink with you and you can feel if there is a vibe to take it further. I'd also venture to say that many of the Beach Road "girls", aren't what they appear to be! LOL.[/QUOTE]You can chat them up on the spot and get a little vibe at least.

But yeah it could just be that the footage is shot at night and so they look better than they actually look in that dim lighting LOL. I call it the elevator lighting, elevators are usually dimly lit making everyone look better than they actually do.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2825891]I've never been asked by a beach road girl if I want to partake in Service s provided.

In not Indians or Middle Eastern.

Connect the Dots.

No Offense. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Pretty much all indians and middle easterners in the YT Beach Road videos. The Indians love a good deal hehe.

How do I find the ladies who have bigger wider hips and rear ends? Do such things exist Bangkok or pattaya? I heard those P. A. A. G Kim kardashian, nicki manaj, are extremely rare if none.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2825867]Yes, when I was there last year, I got it regularly from TF girls without even really asking. If I gave the girl oral sex, she almost always just hopped on me with no condom. Some would just pull out the condom when it was time to fuck, and some I didn't have the interest to do without a condom. But the girls I wanted to do BB, almost all did it for free with no more than a polite request or often no request at all. I think the girls may have been a bit desperate because of the lack of tourists.[/QUOTE]My rule with TF if it's 1500 I will not specify, but more than that I will make sure BBFS.

Lately TF girls have been much more flakey.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2825884]I don't know when those videos were shot, but the quality on Beach Road is horrendous since I came here last week. I have hardly seen a doable girl there.[/QUOTE]The quality really seems to fluctuate. I notice the best quality on weekends and holidays. Keep in mind many Beach Road girls will look ok outside with clothes on but will have major baby damage once undressed. I have have yet to pull the trigger on them this year.

Everyone says there are freelancers in Treetown but unless I'm a complete idiot, in 3 years I really have only seen a handful of girls leering at me from some tables. I'm not really sure where they are supposedly congregating unless that's it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2825012]After a 12 hour flight you see this. I like Pattaya but I don't know if I want to go through this.[/QUOTE]Ocasionally, an Emirates A380 will disgorge 500 passengers at once. If you get stuck behind them, don't forget that there is a second Arrivals hall, just 100 meters away.

You condom conscious guys should consider why some ladies insist on using a condom. Maybe they know something you don't know.

There are some low volume ladies I don't use a condom with. But I know the customer base of many of my ladies, so I keep a supply of condoms by my bed.

I have been around long enough to know of some ladies who died of various STDs, but I don't know how many customers they took with them.

[QUOTE=PunyGod;2825820]I have 4-5 hrs around 2 PM - 7 PM and want to avoid gogo, beach road seems apt, but I heard walking street has better women post 7?, Just wanted to plan this out.[/QUOTE]I think you are getting confused. On Beach Road chicks are actually standing around outside waiting for you to take them. On Walking Street there are gogos and discos with chicks inside. There may be like 5 chicks out standing around on the actual street waiting for you to take them whereas there are hundreds on Beach Road. When someone says Walking Street has better women, they are referring to inside the gogos on Walking Street, a place you already stated you want to avoid. They do not even get started until 8 pm anyway, past your time of availability, so nothing on Walking Street would even be an option for you. You want Soi 6 or Beach Road.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825920]How do I find the ladies who have bigger wider hips and rear ends? Do such things exist Bangkok or pattaya? I heard those P. A. A. G Kim kardashian, nicki manaj, are extremely rare if none.[/QUOTE]There are lots if big butts to be found among the freelancers in Thai Friendly, on Beach Road in Pattaya, and in the beer bars in Pattaya and Bangkok. Much more than most people like, actually.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825920]How do I find the ladies who have bigger wider hips and rear ends? Do such things exist Bangkok or pattaya? I heard those P. A. A. G Kim kardashian, nicki manaj, are extremely rare if none.[/QUOTE]You realize that you just named women with fake body parts from plastic surgery right? So you want to know if there are chicks with plastic surgery in Thailand? They generally limit their plastic surgery to nose and tits, not ass and hips.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2825891]I've never been asked by a beach road girl if I want to partake in Service s provided.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RakSopheni;2825936]Everyone says there are freelancers in Treetown but unless I'm a complete idiot, in 3 years I really have only seen a handful of girls leering at me from some tables. I'm not really sure where they are supposedly congregating unless that's it.[/QUOTE]Yes. You have to go up to talk to them. They do not actually come up to you. Why do a lot of you guys keep depending on eye contact or special signals? Just go up and talk to the chick.

9's everywhere.

Pin-ups 9 pm.

9's out of 10's bad Boob jobs. LOL. Actually 10 out of 10 but I'm trying to be nice.

God Awful, one after another. Side by side. Stage after stage.

A few nice Coyotes with Original s. Not sure only saw a few songs worth.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2826038]There are lots if big butts to be found among the freelancers in Thai Friendly, on Beach Road in Pattaya, and in the beer bars in Pattaya and Bangkok. Much more than most people like, actually.[/QUOTE]There's fatties all over Pattaya which is basically what this commenter is looking for.

The aforementioned Beach Road YT footage also showed some African FLers who were of course thick. The options are there for guys that like them thick and fat.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2825870]Heading for Pattaya in a few hours.

1st order of Business. One week at Red Planet for $125 all in. I actually prefer a Hotel closer to Walk Street but will take this,. Price Matters.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at two Red Planets in BKK but never the one in Pattaya, although I see it come up for so cheap on Agoda. The Asok Red Planet in BKK is great deal, just a stone's throw from the Asok BTS and T21. In Pattaya you can get much nicer hotels for not much more so never saw the appeal of the Pattaya Red Planet.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2826043]Why do a lot of you guys keep depending on eye contact or special signals? Just go up and talk to the chick.[/QUOTE]Because most of the time they think we really want them and take it as a pretext to pull a higher fee plus often they expect us to pay at least their drinks, when they're not acting like uninterrested.

[QUOTE=PunyGod;2825820]I have 4-5 hrs around 2 PM - 7 PM and want to avoid gogo, beach road seems apt, but I heard walking street has better women post 7?, Just wanted to plan this out.[/QUOTE]Beach Road and Walking Street can be slim pickings during daytime hours. Some of the girls are just waking up at noon 12 pm and others want to avoid the heat during the day. At night things pick up considerably. It doesn't hurt to try during your hours of availability and you might want to set up something in advance on Thai Friendly. Massage establishments are another option as they are open during the day.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2825804]I didn't take any Beach Rd. FLers when I was there last year but based on the YT videos I see, there's decent looking women lined up on the beach. You'll never have to pay more than 1 k baht for one of them and many will go with you for 700-800 baht. There will always be value in Pattaya if you are willing to put in the time to find it.

As cheap as Soi 6 is (average about 1,500 baht total for ST / room), you can save 500-800 baht hitting up Beach Road instead.[/QUOTE]You are quite correct. As of just a few weeks ago freelancers on Beach Road are asking between 700-1000 baht. More asking for 1000 baht which seems more of the standard now and there are some lookers out there on the beach. I sampled 2 chicks from there and was not disappointed. I even sat with groups of girls drinking, talking and having fun with their friends. Very friendly, warm and inviting.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2826070]There's fatties all over Pattaya which is basically what this commenter is looking for.

The aforementioned Beach Road YT footage also showed some African FLers who were of course thick. The options are there for guys that like them thick and fat.[/QUOTE]I spoke with several African girls on Beach Rd and they are on the thicker side naturally. They are asking 1500-2000 baht. They said because they are a rare commodity there and I seen them taking customers. There is something for everyone.

Anyone actually in Pattaya now? I am taking a short trip out of town but I hear it's very quiet.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2825233]You like to be fed by other people? I've got one for you, girl named "Som", dark skin, beautiful face (looks a bit like an Indian girl), very smooth skin, some tattoos, a bit of meat all over her body, very nice bubble butt and puts a very good attitude in her work. She likes guys like you, Indians and Middle Easterns, easy customers she says. You need to know where she works? The massage place right next to Cheap Charlie. Best price you can get her? 1500 baht all in if you're a good negociator.

Looking forward to your report when you'll meet her during your next trip in 3 years.[/QUOTE]If you do not know how a civilized forum is supposed to work. Please go check out Dubai forum. Nothing more to say.

Oh actually yes, I do. There is a "Rants, Stupid Shit In Thailand" forum. That's probably a better place for most of the nonsense spewed.

[QUOTE=PopUpMenu123;2825920]How do I find the ladies who have bigger wider hips and rear ends? Do such things exist Bangkok or pattaya? I heard those P. A. A. G Kim kardashian, nicki manaj, are extremely rare if none.[/QUOTE]Spots to look for bigger girls;.

Club 808 at WS.

Club RAAK at WS. It's an Indian Disco. No idea if you can enter if you're non-indian (guess not).

Beach Road across Mike Shopping Mall.

I remember a thick lady at TreeTown. 08 bar, which is a bit hidden.

I would not use TF to look for a curvy gal. Too much pictures altered with filters.

Had a girl who did not even looked like the photo. Worse was the terrible smell.

Gave her 100 B taxi money.

Stick to BR or FL at WS. WYSIWYG. Well, usually.

Good Hunting,

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2826113]Because most of the time they think we really want them and take it as a pretext to pull a higher fee plus often they expect us to pay at least their drinks, when they're not acting like uninterrested.[/QUOTE]Never had that problem. If anything chicks have invited me to sit down and drink and eat the shit they are paying for.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2826201]You are quite correct. As of just a few weeks ago freelancers on Beach Road are asking between 700-1000 baht. More asking for 1000 baht which seems more of the standard now and there are some lookers out there on the beach. I sampled 2 chicks from there and was not disappointed. I even sat with groups of girls drinking, talking and having fun with their friends. Very friendly, warm and inviting.[/QUOTE]Good to hear. I watched another one of the night time Beach Road YT videos that was dated as being shot this week and felt the same after watching that video that there are decent looking FLers on Beach Road. Yes, most are unattractive and / or fat, but there are some average to slightly above average ones mixed in. The conundrum for me is that I'm not a night person and it seems like after 10:00 there is more quantity.

And as others have said, this recent video also showed that the majority of customers are Indian with some Middle Easterners thrown in. You could over hear a negotiation going on and the FLer quotes 1,000 baht and the Indian customer moves on hehe.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2826431] You could over hear a negotiation going on and the FLer quotes 1,000 baht and the Indian customer moves on hehe.[/QUOTE]More and more girls deal with these Indian customers in a swift way.

No chat or 'small-talk'. It does not help that these guys just approach a lady and ask 'how much you cost'? One should understand that these women don't see themselfs as 'hardcore hookers'. We know they are, but that's Thai logic for you! But the trick is just to play along. I always give (true) compliments and make a joke. Keeping thing light is the key!

Via LINE I had contact with some BR ladies whom complained that some Indians blatantly offer 500 B for LT or 300 for ST. Not suprising, she now refuses any Indian customer walking on Beach Road.

5 months before I am back in Pattaya and Beach Road.

[QUOTE=Frankypanky;2826506]More and more girls deal with these Indian customers in a swift way.

No chat or 'small-talk'. It does not help that these guys just approach a lady and ask 'how much you cost'? One should understand that these women don't see themselfs as 'hardcore hookers'. We know they are, but that's Thai logic for you! But the trick is just to play along. I always give (true) compliments and make a joke. Keeping thing light is the key!

Via LINE I had contact with some BR ladies whom complained that some Indians blatantly offer 500 B for LT or 300 for ST. Not suprising, she now refuses any Indian customer walking on Beach Road.

5 months before I am back in Pattaya and Beach Road.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think most non-Indian mongers have heard complaints from the girls regarding Indian monger's proclivity for low balling. The Indian mongers are always approaching the FLers on Beach Road in groups of at least 2 or 3 which I can see as being intimidating for the FLers. They also try and get a deal on gang banging the Flers LOL. To each their own I suppose.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2826431]You could over hear a negotiation going on and the FLer quotes 1,000 baht and the Indian customer moves on hehe.[/QUOTE]Yeah but you go to Raas and Janaarat and you will see the Indian customers paying 4000!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2826247]Anyone actually in Pattaya now? I am taking a short trip out of town but I hear it's very quiet.[/QUOTE]Word of the day LOSSES. How much losses can WS agogos take?

Customer count is just absolutely Horrid.

Funny stuff at Peppermint Patty's. They more than have their Fare Share of big bad boob jobs.

Not to be repetitive but you know Pattaya is devoid of tourists when Red Planet has rooms for $15.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2826528]Word of the day LOSSES. How much losses can WS agogos take?

Customer count is just absolutely Horrid.

Funny stuff at Peppermint Patty's. They more than have their Fare Share of big bad boob jobs.

Not to be repetitive but you know Pattaya is devoid of tourists when Red Planet has rooms for $15.[/QUOTE]Watched a few ride around on motorbike videos on YT today and both of the YTers were lamenting how dead it is and that many bars have more girls working than customers.

Times are tough for most of the ladies. I had a lady pitch me for money, claiming that she had a customer promise her 5000 baht to fuck her ass, but he didn't pay. Reading between the lines, it probably hurt so much that she complained and he didn't finish.

So she claimed she had no money.

Obviously, she forgot she had asked me the operating hours of Western Union, just a couple of days earlier.

Here's a warning:

A newbie barfined a bargirl for 2 days, decided it was True Love, and bought out her contract from the bar for 10,000 baht. After a week, she disappeared. The guy was stupid enough to ask for a refund from the bar.

Note, you could ask for a refund if the lady went back to work at the same bar, but this lady disappeared.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2826519]Yeah but you go to Raas and Janaarat and you will see the Indian customers paying 4000![/QUOTE]True,

People like to express their opinions and generalize but don't see clearly enough to understand there are cheap, in every group. I've seen rich Thais, cheap Thais, and Thais who want to show they are rich. You know the saying don't judge by the cover and that is what Thais ladies do, reason many can't get into GoGo, the reason there are clubs like Raas and Janaarat while places are empty they are packed. Throwing money like Asians I've seen at GoGos prior to Covid.

Not every Indian is walking up and down Beach Road looking for the cheap. If you want to do a study just go to the middle of the walking street on weekends in front of the tourist police table around Lucifers there are a bunch of freelancers, stand and watch and see the type of Indians that walk by and stare these are the ones from Beach Road looking for cheaps, watch the interaction negotiation, the face on the girl's reaction from the interaction if it is your thing very entertaining if you understand a bit of Thai and can hear the responses to the other girls after they leave it is a laugh.

I once had a girl near me turn saw me smile she thought I was Thai said " Fucking guy offer 500 baht said jokingly I'm in the wrong professional if I accept that mine as well be a taxi driver ".

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2826559]Here's a warning:

A newbie barfined a bargirl for 2 days, decided it was True Love, and bought out her contract from the bar for 10,000 baht. After a week, she disappeared. The guy was stupid enough to ask for a refund from the bar.

Note, you could ask for a refund if the lady went back to work at the same bar, but this lady disappeared.[/QUOTE]I have a trouble feeling sorry for the guy. I hope he learned his lesson. Buying out her contract was probably cheap compared to what he had to spend feeding her for a week. LOL.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2826601]I have a trouble feeling sorry for the guy. I hope he learned his lesson. Buying out her contract was probably cheap compared to what he had to spend feeding her for a week. LOL.[/QUOTE]Some never learned the fact he went back to the place to ask for refund makes it suspect.

What is missing in these cases is aside from buying out contract was payment arrangement made if so did he pay a sum upfront too? Certainly she wasn't going to stay for free.

Also not smart on the part of girl unless she was planning to leave the professional and never return or just too stupid herself.

Tourist boards generalize all the time.

Thais targeted Indians coming out of COVID and look what Happened. Lots of Them showed up but Spending went down per person. Hahaha.

Please don't blame Beach Road girls for rude behavior,. If we were in their shoes we would not deal with THEM either. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2826528]Red Planet has rooms for $15.[/QUOTE]You are bringing top tier ST 3000 baht talent back to a $15 room? No offense.

After 3 weeks straight of drinking and mongering every day I've been feeling a bit burned out. Took a day off, hopefully that helped. I'm not sure how guys like Explorer8939 can do this 24-7-365.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2826630]After 3 weeks straight of drinking and mongering every day I've been feeling a bit burned out. Took a day off, hopefully that helped. I'm not sure how guys like Explorer8939 can do this 24-7-365.[/QUOTE]I don't drink and monger every day. In fact, I just took some days off for a holiday to Kuala Lumpur and now Hua Hin. With ladies, of course, but very little drinking.

When I am in Pattaya, I sometimes schedule flaky ladies who sometimes don't show up to have a break.

Sometimes I schedule ladies who I don't fuck. Or maybe just get a BJ.

But, during Covid, I had 5 ladies a day, every day, and heavy drinking. And they were horny ladies, since Thai men largely bailed from Pattaya when the money vaporized. That was tiring, but it only lasted 3 months. Not just physically tiring, but mentally tiring, since I had to remember the wants and needs of so many different ladies.

It's easy now, I can get by with a quickie fuck, and lady has done her work.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2826551]Watched a few ride around on motorbike videos on YT today and both of the YTers were lamenting how dead it is and that many bars have more girls working than customers.[/QUOTE]Woohoo! That's what I want to hear with less than three weeks to go before I touchdown.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2826559]Here's a warning:

A newbie barfined a bargirl for 2 days, decided it was True Love, and bought out her contract from the bar for 10,000 baht. After a week, she disappeared. The guy was stupid enough to ask for a refund from the bar.

Note, you could ask for a refund if the lady went back to work at the same bar, but this lady disappeared.[/QUOTE]Well Pattaya has always been ripe with suckers. Did you see in the news the other day the foreigner that bought the salon for his "girlfriend"? She turned around and sold it to someone else. He went in destroying the place and making problems for the new owner claiming it is his place. If you are paying hookers then pay hookers. If you have a normal girlfriend then there is no need to pay them or buy expensive shit for them. A lot of guys seem to get the lines crossed.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2023/06/10/foreign-man-allegedly-damages-salon-in-pattaya/[/URL]

Two Rouge Indians got beat up outside an Indian club.

I wonder if they part of the 4 k short time Cklub. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2826623]Tourist boards generalize all the time.

Thais targeted Indians coming out of COVID and look what Happened. Lots of Them showed up but Spending went down per person. Hahaha.

Please don't blame Beach Road girls for rude behavior,. If we were in their shoes we would not deal with THEM either. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]The Indians have a very good portion of WS now. They attract many Indian's to their clubs. Looks like they're doing pretty good.

Agree with the BR girls. There are a few YTers who do nothing but query the girls on their ST / LT prices. Treat them with respect. To them it's a job.

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[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2826629]You are bringing top tier ST 3000 baht talent back to a $15 room? No offense.[/QUOTE]Very fair question hehe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2826709]Well Pattaya has always been ripe with suckers. Did you see in the news the other day the foreigner that bought the salon for his "girlfriend"? She turned around and sold it to someone else. He went in destroying the place and making problems for the new owner claiming it is his place. If you are paying hookers then pay hookers. If you have a normal girlfriend then there is no need to pay them or buy expensive shit for them. A lot of guys seem to get the lines crossed.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2023/06/10/foreign-man-allegedly-damages-salon-in-pattaya/[/URL][/QUOTE]I have no sympathy for these kinds of morons, they get what they deserve. Never be a sucker for women let alone hookers.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2826630]After 3 weeks straight of drinking and mongering every day I've been feeling a bit burned out. Took a day off, hopefully that helped. I'm not sure how guys like Explorer8939 can do this 24-7-365.[/QUOTE]I think two days on one day off is the way to go and on your day off just get a couple of professional massages, hit up Koh Larn, catch a movie etc.

I don't drink and usually never session more than once in a day. Works for me. I like having down time and time to just relax and do my own thing.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2826894]I think two days on one day off is the way to go and on your day off just get a couple of professional massages, hit up Koh Larn, catch a movie etc.

I don't drink and usually never session more than once in a day. Works for me. I like having down time and time to just relax and do my own thing.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I do intentionally schedule down time, but by 1 pm, I sometimes run out to a bar to find a lady for the afternoon.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2826559]Here's a warning:

A newbie barfined a bargirl for 2 days, decided it was True Love, and bought out her contract from the bar for 10,000 baht. After a week, she disappeared. The guy was stupid enough to ask for a refund from the bar.

Note, you could ask for a refund if the lady went back to work at the same bar, but this lady disappeared.[/QUOTE]PBS.

People be stupid.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2826559]Here's a warning:

A newbie barfined a bargirl for 2 days, decided it was True Love, and bought out her contract from the bar for 10,000 baht. After a week, she disappeared. The guy was stupid enough to ask for a refund from the bar.

Note, you could ask for a refund if the lady went back to work at the same bar, but this lady disappeared.[/QUOTE]You said after a WEEK. That 7 days? Or less than 1500 per day! That's not a bad deal for a bar / gogo girl. If he had to pay barfines as well, he would pay a lot more! .

[QUOTE=Frankypanky;2827210]You said after a WEEK. That 7 days? Or less than 1500 per day! That's not a bad deal for a bar / gogo girl. If he had to pay barfines as well, he would pay a lot more! .[/QUOTE]The 10,000 WAS the barfine. That does not include the money he would give to the chick.

Haven't you complained about barfining a woman you didn't want to have sex with? Some people do goofy things. 10 k baht isn't a terrible price to pay for some knowledge.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2826559]Here's a warning:

A newbie barfined a bargirl for 2 days, decided it was True Love, and bought out her contract from the bar for 10,000 baht. After a week, she disappeared. The guy was stupid enough to ask for a refund from the bar.

Note, you could ask for a refund if the lady went back to work at the same bar, but this lady disappeared.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frankypanky;2827210]You said after a WEEK. That 7 days? Or less than 1500 per day! That's not a bad deal for a bar / gogo girl. If he had to pay barfines as well, he would pay a lot more! .[/QUOTE]That's just the barfine, he paid the lady 40 K up front.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2827258]Haven't you complained about barfining a woman you didn't want to have sex with? Some people do goofy things. 10 k baht isn't a terrible price to pay for some knowledge.[/QUOTE]Again, that was the cost to buy the lady's contract from the bar, and did not include what he paid her.

Beach Road was looking particularly good last night, which is something I am surprised to hear myself say. There was a young spinner on the north end that I almost pulled the trigger on but I had already dumped a load that day and also was not 100 $% sure she was legal (said she was 18). Got her line and tiktok and will continue to mull it over.

If anyone has been there in the evening lately I'm sure they will have seen this hard to miss couple walking, possibly soliciting some sort of group thing. They both are extremely good looking, very tall, fit, possibly Russian or Slavic. She is about 6 feet tall, and her body is the closest thing to a Barbie Doll I have ever seen (minus the blonde hair). He is a walking Adonis, perhaps 6'5", muscular and handsome. I get strange eye contact from him when I stare in disbelief at this arresting vision of double human perfection. If they are not soliciting, they sure do like to walk up and down Beach Road as I see them just about every time I do. Anyone have any insight into what may be going on here? Is it just an innocent couple who likes to stroll in Sex City ?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2826894]I think two days on one day off is the way to go and on your day off just get a couple of professional massages, hit up Koh Larn, catch a movie etc.

I don't drink and usually never session more than once in a day. Works for me. I like having down time and time to just relax and do my own thing.[/QUOTE]I took a couple days off and am feeling better. Will slow down the drinking from here on. Also will be taking an excursion to Indonesia and Laos to mix things up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2827221]The 10,000 WAS the barfine. That does not include the money he would give to the chick.[/QUOTE]I understand. And I read something about 40 k upfront. What the H! If I have to pay upfront, it's a major Red Flag to me! Yes, I had to learn that lesson too. Thankfully the damage was a small 2 k Baht.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2827340]Beach Road was looking particularly good last night, which is something I am surprised to hear myself say. There was a young spinner on the north end that I almost pulled the trigger on but I had already dumped a load that day and also was not 100 $% sure she was legal (said she was 18). Got her line and tiktok and will continue to mull it over.

If anyone has been there in the evening lately I'm sure they will have seen this hard to miss couple walking, possibly soliciting some sort of group thing. They both are extremely good looking, very tall, fit, possibly Russian or Slavic. She is about 6 feet tall, and her body is the closest thing to a Barbie Doll I have ever seen (minus the blonde hair). He is a walking Adonis, perhaps 6'5", muscular and handsome. I get strange eye contact from him when I stare in disbelief at this arresting vision of double human perfection. If they are not soliciting, they sure do like to walk up and down Beach Road as I see them just about every time I do. Anyone have any insight into what may be going on here? Is it just an innocent couple who likes to stroll in Sex City ?[/QUOTE]Dude is probably too beautiful (according to your description) to die for Putin. I saw many Slavic-looking couples walking around in April. I assumed they were Russians fleeing the war (mobilization).

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2827340] ......

If anyone has been there in the evening lately I'm sure they will have seen this hard to miss couple walking, possibly soliciting some sort of group thing. They both are extremely good looking, very tall, fit, possibly Russian or Slavic. She is about 6 feet tall, and her body is the closest thing to a Barbie Doll I have ever seen (minus the blonde hair). He is a walking Adonis, perhaps 6'5", muscular and handsome. I get strange eye contact from him when I stare in disbelief at this arresting vision of double human perfection. If they are not soliciting, they sure do like to walk up and down Beach Road as I see them just about every time I do. Anyone have any insight into what may be going on here? Is it just an innocent couple who likes to stroll in Sex City ?[/QUOTE]Russian couple on holiday, not much to do in Pattaya if you're not a sex-tourist, except stroll on Beach Road in the evening. If they were doing tricks they'd be on TF I think, or at least they would not go out as a couple. Those stunning Russian women can be a reminder of what a real 9 looks like. Seeing them depresses me because the girls I session in Thailand have poor figures in comparision.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2827340]

If anyone has been there in the evening lately I'm sure they will have seen this hard to miss couple walking, possibly soliciting some sort of group thing. They both are extremely good looking, very tall, fit, possibly Russian or Slavic. She is about 6 feet tall, and her body is the closest thing to a Barbie Doll I have ever seen (minus the blonde hair). He is a walking Adonis, perhaps 6'5", muscular and handsome. I get strange eye contact from him when I stare in disbelief at this arresting vision of double human perfection. If they are not soliciting, they sure do like to walk up and down Beach Road as I see them just about every time I do. Anyone have any insight into what may be going on here? Is it just an innocent couple who likes to stroll in Sex City ?[/QUOTE]Things might get interesting if they are spotted in Potholes or LK where more hardcore action can take place, or in some GC.

[QUOTE=XXL;2827540]not much to do in Pattaya if you're not a sex-tourist,[/QUOTE]I always tell my Wife it is a Golfing destination. Lots of golfers go to Pattaya.

Pins ups was packed last night. I was being escorted to the Bob Uecker seats. Baseball reference. Meaning Bad seats. Didn't want to waste three fiddy so went to Tantra instead. A new farm fresh off the bus issarn girl quite attractive, peaked my interest,. Coyote Though so just gave her a measly Tip for her attempt in trying to milked me dry with Ladydrinks. I said she was attractive.

Pacing myself:

After 5 days travel with 3 different ladies, I came back to Pattaya and had a lady come over for drinks. She got really drunk, so she ended up falling asleep holding my dick. I guess if I were a 2 week millionaire, I would just fuck her in the morning, but I have 2 ladies coming here today, and I definitely have to pace myself. So I let her pass out last night, and will let her go back to her Thai husband untouched today.

Meanwhile, its another day in paradise in Pattaya.

Except I heard yet another bar manager died suddenly this month.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2827340]Beach Road was looking particularly good last night, which is something I am surprised to hear myself say. There was a young spinner on the north end that I almost pulled the trigger on but I had already dumped a load that day and also was not 100 $% sure she was legal (said she was 18). Got her line and tiktok and will continue to mull it over.

If anyone has been there in the evening lately I'm sure they will have seen this hard to miss couple walking, possibly soliciting some sort of group thing. They both are extremely good looking, very tall, fit, possibly Russian or Slavic. She is about 6 feet tall, and her body is the closest thing to a Barbie Doll I have ever seen (minus the blonde hair). He is a walking Adonis, perhaps 6'5", muscular and handsome. I get strange eye contact from him when I stare in disbelief at this arresting vision of double human perfection. If they are not soliciting, they sure do like to walk up and down Beach Road as I see them just about every time I do. Anyone have any insight into what may be going on here? Is it just an innocent couple who likes to stroll in Sex City ?[/QUOTE]Perhaps the low season is causing many girls to double dip work and work Beach Road at night. Seems like an uptick in quality when I compare videos from last year to now.

Watched another YT video today on the state of Pattaya and this YTer was also pointing out how quiet Pattaya is after such a bustling and crowded high season. I think the pent up Covid demand contributed to a ton of tourists going to Pattaya once Thailand fully opened for high season and now things are leveling out. Throw sky high airfares on top of that and weakening economies and it should be a very quiet low season in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2827606]Pins ups was packed last night. I was being escorted to the Bob Uecker seats. Baseball reference. Meaning Bad seats. Didn't want to waste three fiddy so went to Tantra instead. A new farm fresh off the bus issarn girl quite attractive, peaked my interest,. Coyote Though so just gave her a measly Tip for her attempt in trying to milked me dry with Ladydrinks. I said she was attractive.[/QUOTE]I don't think the guys living in Pattaya visit gogos very often.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2827578]I always tell my Wife it is a Golfing destination. Lots of golfers go to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]You're only fooling yourself that she and others don't know why you are going to Thailand. I know guys who actually all lug their golf clubs across the world to Thailand just to keep this facade. They don't go anywhere near a golf course.

[QUOTE=XXL;2827540]Russian couple on holiday, not much to do in Pattaya if you're not a sex-tourist, except stroll on Beach Road in the evening. If they were doing tricks they'd be on TF I think, or at least they would not go out as a couple. Those stunning Russian women can be a reminder of what a real 9 looks like. Seeing them depresses me because the girls I session in Thailand have poor figures in comparision.[/QUOTE]You usually see the Russian tourist stunners with average to below average weirdly dressed men too, not that I'm jealous haha.

I think I heard that women way outnumbered men in Russia but that could be wrong.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2827340]There was a young spinner on the north end that I almost pulled the trigger on but I had already dumped a load that day and also was not 100 $% sure she was legal (said she was 18). Got her line and tiktok and will continue to mull it over.[/QUOTE]Update: she was able to furnish me with an ID that proved her turning 18 in March, so I had her come over. Insisted on condom so just got a BBJCIM instead but had fun groping her nubile body. 1000ST. First Beach Road Girl I've taken in 3 years. High Price Haters will say she was trash based on price- but this girl was farm fresh out of Sakhon Nakhon- inexperienced and has not figured out the game yet. When she gets wise and learns a little english she could be making double or triple that. Don't DM me for her line, I won't give it to you. Go get her yourself. Beach Road North end.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2827698]Update: she was able to furnish me with an ID that proved her turning 18 in March, so I had her come over. Insisted on condom so just got a BBJCIM instead but had fun groping her nubile body. 1000ST. First Beach Road Girl I've taken in 3 years. High Price Haters will say she was trash based on price- but this girl was farm fresh out of Sakhon Nakhon- inexperienced and has not figured out the game yet. When she gets wise and learns a little english she could be making double or triple that. Don't DM me for her line, I won't give it to you. Go get her yourself. Beach Road North end.[/QUOTE]You having to explain how you got 1,000 price proves the 1,000 haters are correct. Except please explain how we are Haters.

Last night a Dark Knight character shower up on a real live live stream. He states he gets real cheap Hotties all over Pattaya. Actually seeing what he considers Hot is Comical.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2827698]Update: she was able to furnish me with an ID that proved her turning 18 in March, so I had her come over. Insisted on condom so just got a BBJCIM instead but had fun groping her nubile body. 1000ST. First Beach Road Girl I've taken in 3 years. High Price Haters will say she was trash based on price- but this girl was farm fresh out of Sakhon Nakhon- inexperienced and has not figured out the game yet. When she gets wise and learns a little english she could be making double or triple that. Don't DM me for her line, I won't give it to you. Go get her yourself. Beach Road North end.[/QUOTE]The one with the terrible teeth? Standing in the back just before the stupid reconstruction? It seems 1000 is the current evening standard ST, LT double. Business must be slow, as is quality. Pulled a former Soi 6 lady from there who had just returned and had put up a few pounds so no job at the bar for her. Very nice and good experience. Was her first customer in a week. Lots of group buying from the known ethnicity. They want pay 1000 and then share her. Even with the slow business not a value proposition. Walked up and down a few times, it is really difficult to find something decent these days. Even the soapies, which are booming had little in terms of quality and I found the service very rushed and mechanical. For me an ok place for a few days but far behind Bangkok in terms of quality.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2827667]You're only fooling yourself that she and others don't know why you are going to Thailand. I know guys who actually all lug their golf clubs across the world to Thailand just to keep this facade. They don't go anywhere near a golf course.[/QUOTE]On the other hand I have friends that all they do in Pattaya is golf. A buddy that lives in Philippines contacted me a couple of weeks ago talking about moving to Pattaya for golfing.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;2827739]The one with the terrible teeth? Standing in the back just before the stupid reconstruction? It seems 1000 is the current evening standard ST, LT double. Business must be slow, as is quality. Pulled a former Soi 6 lady from there who had just returned and had put up a few pounds so no job at the bar for her. Very nice and good experience. Was her first customer in a week. Lots of group buying from the known ethnicity. They want pay 1000 and then share her. Even with the slow business not a value proposition. Walked up and down a few times, it is really difficult to find something decent these days. Even the soapies, which are booming had little in terms of quality and I found the service very rushed and mechanical. For me an ok place for a few days but far behind Bangkok in terms of quality.[/QUOTE]She would not have been the first girl I've pulled from the Coconut Bar in 3 years if she had terrible teeth. Take the piss but be a bit more creative.

Stay at large with girl with bad teeth.

Nor than a decade ago one with back black teeth give a BBJ with CIM take 2 years to heals.

I have a fucking bad rate with VD.

Lust las night in 30 minutes.

A guy bought 75 drinks. Rang the doorbell 3 time's.

Good for him and the Girls.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2827578]I always tell my Wife it is a Golfing destination. Lots of golfers go to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]When you return home does she ask you if you had fun with your club and balls?

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2827606]Pins ups was packed last night. I was being escorted to the Bob Uecker seats.
.[/QUOTE]Have to admit that I almost snorted milk out of my nose laughing so hard at this reference. What a pull! I arrive in 5 days. Should be a fun time.

Never, never, never send money to a bargirl when you go home.

If you really love her and you can't control yourself, send the money to her Thai boyfriend directly, and save your honey some time and effort.

If you don't think your bargirl has a Thai boyfriend, well, there's no hope for you.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;2827739]The one with the terrible teeth? Standing in the back just before the stupid reconstruction? It seems 1000 is the current evening standard ST, LT double. Business must be slow, as is quality. Pulled a former Soi 6 lady from there who had just returned and had put up a few pounds so no job at the bar for her. Very nice and good experience. Was her first customer in a week. Lots of group buying from the known ethnicity. They want pay 1000 and then share her. Even with the slow business not a value proposition. Walked up and down a few times, it is really difficult to find something decent these days. Even the soapies, which are booming had little in terms of quality and I found the service very rushed and mechanical. For me an ok place for a few days but far behind Bangkok in terms of quality.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't balk at 1,000 baht for decent looking women. I'm currently still home in the US and although I stopped seeing providers here years ago, I still peruse the ads for kicks to see how much the rates are. Today I came across a Thai escort, 23 years old, average looking at best, who charges $600 an hour for non-GFE services. Yes you read that right, 6 benjamins for a non-GFE one hour session. And you know the session would be mediocre to bad given American women's entitlement.

$600 gets you 20 sessions in Pattaya or 100 foot massages.

Point being, I'm sure quality is down in Pattaya, but don't take the value of Pattaya mongering for granted.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2827606]Pins ups was packed last night. I was being escorted to the Bob Uecker seats. Baseball reference. Meaning Bad seats. Didn't want to waste three fiddy so went to Tantra instead. A new farm fresh off the bus issarn girl quite attractive, peaked my interest,. Coyote Though so just gave her a measly Tip for her attempt in trying to milked me dry with Ladydrinks. I said she was attractive.[/QUOTE]Same experience there inApril. We were seated in the very last seat, though close to the toilet. Because of the "L" shape of the bar, could only really see about 10 of the girls. Even if I wanted to buy a girl a drink, there was nowhere for her to sit. We had one drink then went to Windmill, where we were right at the stage and the girls were very hands-on.

I spent the afternoon with a silicon enhanced MILF, as she finished a bottle of Jose Cuervo. The only interruptions were constant messages from lovesick men back home, but no problem for me after she got naked. Well, until she passed out on my sofa.

But I didn't fuck her, because I knew what was coming, a lady who got over the top horny once she had a few shots of tequila. The second lady was literally too much for me, my trick of faking an orgasm to get out of there didn't work. Even after I took a shower, she begged me to fuck her ass. But I was still drunk from the first lady, so she had to do everything, alternating between her ass and pussy, and even giving me BJs (The problem is she had a lady friend asking her to go out to some bar, so she wanted to go quickly, but wanted to fuck for a long time. I told her to come back another day when I didn't have a lady before, and she didn't have to leave quickly.

So I paid 4000 baht for two ladies, but didn't cum once. But no lack of naked ladies swarming me. And the twins are coming tomorrow.

A program note: the silicon enhanced MILF wants to go to Phuket with me, but I told her she had to pay for her ticket, since she always has customers. We'll see what happens.

Source. Livestream Chatter.

So I'm no confidence of trueability.

Night wish bars. To get full compensation girls need to get 4 Barfines a week plus the drink minimum s.

Can someone Confirm.

I can't see but 2% of Soi6 girls getting 4 Barfines a week. It's impossible. Hahaha.

From you tube vids 2,500 miles away they look OK. Try sitting in a Bar and look at them 2 feet away from you. OMG they just are not attractive.

I respectively disagree. Being able to see and talk to the ladies 2 feet away while walking back and forth on Soy 6 is a benefit. And I found a decent amount of ladies who were reasonable good looking.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2828206]I respectively disagree. Being able to see and talk to the ladies 2 feet away while walking back and forth on Soy 6 is a benefit.[/QUOTE]2 feet away? Why so far? Whenever I am walking down Soi 6 they grab me and will not let me walk off.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2827955]
Point being, I'm sure quality is down in Pattaya, but don't take the value of Pattaya mongering for granted.[/QUOTE]Hard agree. I don't even think quality is all that "down" all things considered.

Also I'm starting to wonder if the High Price Haters are ever even pulling the trigger on these "top tier" GoGo girls or just going to sit in the bleachers for some overpriced grab and tickle. I certainly never hear any actual reports from that corner, just grammatically artistic naysaying in haiku form. No offense.

In the past 28 days I fucked 25 times. Ten girls total. Repeated with one seven times, two girls four times, one girl three times, one girl twice, all the rest single visits. Repeats were necessitated by difficulty finding the quality and sexual activities I require. I do not recommend repeats beyond 3 or 4 as they get lazy.

Locations where I scored.

Soi Boomerang: Slutz, Screamers, Pleasure Lounge.

Soi Excite: Excite Club.

Soi Bongkot: Badabing, Purple.

Soi 6: Sexy in the City, Butterfly.

Random bar on Soi Pothole.

Beach Road.

Thai Friendly. (TF has more flakers and catfish than last Summer. Most girls on there will not even wake up until 18:00 so its not good for early action. Ok to skip it IMO)

You can meet girls at Gentleman's Clubs that will then take a day off and ST with you or see you before work. The hottest girls at the GC's either just started or quit the week I met them.

All ST 1000-1500 (not counting drinks, barfine etc).

LT 2000 (I think she genuinely liked me and also liked free food and AC and not dealing with her roommate. I think 2500-3000 more common).

BBFSCIP x 4/10 girls.

BBBJCIM x 7/10 girls.

DT x3/10 (one Throat GOAT enjoyed puking throat slop into a bucket).

All girls could be considered slim and / or petite. Two had silicone, 350,400 CC respectively. Ages 18-30. Face: some girls slightly above average, some very cute, a few pretty. GC's now actually have pretty girls but they don't stay there long.

Locations that looked promising with cute girls outside that I did not try: Pink Lady (Soi Honey), PitStop (Soi Pothole), Unreal Bar (LK Metro).

Last few days my dick stopped working. Boredom? Kamagra tolerance? Middle Age Male fatigue from 1 month partying straight? Who knows. Hope it rectifies with some time off.

I'm not sure I will be mongering in Bangkok, but have some plans to do so in Jakarta- which I hear is positive for BBFS. Will return to Pattaya for round 2 in July hopefully.

My reports this summer where not as breathless and detailed as last Summer but I guess it's just more routine at this point.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2828249]Hard agree. I don't even think quality is all that "down" all things considered.

Also I'm starting to wonder if the High Price Haters are ever even pulling the trigger on these "top tier" GoGo girls or just going to sit in the bleachers for some overpriced grab and tickle. I certainly never hear any actual reports from that corner, just grammatically artistic naysaying in haiku form. No offense.

In the past 28 days I fucked 25 times. Ten girls total. Repeated with one seven times, two girls four times, one girl three times, one girl twice, all the rest single visits. Repeats were necessitated by difficulty finding the quality and sexual activities I require. I do not recommend repeats beyond 3 or 4 as they get lazy.

Locations where I scored.

Soi Boomerang: Slutz, Screamers, Pleasure Lounge.

Soi Excite: Excite Club.

Soi Bongkot: Badabing, Purple.

Soi 6: Sexy in the City, Butterfly.

Random bar on Soi Pothole.

Beach Road.

Thai Friendly. (TF has more flakers and catfish than last Summer. Most girls on there will not even wake up until 18:00 so its not good for early action. Ok to skip it IMO)

You can meet girls at Gentleman's Clubs that will then take a day off and ST with you or see you before work. The hottest girls at the GC's either just started or quit the week I met them.

All ST 1000-1500 (not counting drinks, barfine etc).

LT 2000 (I think she genuinely liked me and also liked free food and AC and not dealing with her roommate. I think 2500-3000 more common).

BBFSCIP x 4/10 girls.

BBBJCIM x 7/10 girls.

DT x3/10 (one Throat GOAT enjoyed puking throat slop into a bucket).

All girls could be considered slim and / or petite. Two had silicone, 350,400 CC respectively. Ages 18-30. Face: some girls slightly above average, some very cute, a few pretty. GC's now actually have pretty girls but they don't stay there long.

Locations that looked promising with cute girls outside that I did not try: Pink Lady (Soi Honey), PitStop (Soi Pothole), Unreal Bar (LK Metro).

Last few days my dick stopped working. Boredom? Kamagra tolerance? Middle Age Male fatigue from 1 month partying straight? Who knows. Hope it rectifies with some time off.

I'm not sure I will be mongering in Bangkok, but have some plans to do so in Jakarta- which I hear is positive for BBFS. Will return to Pattaya for round 2 in July hopefully.

My reports this summer where not as breathless and detailed as last Summer but I guess it's just more routine at this point.[/QUOTE]Again for the Umpteenth time people are not Barfining the Hot Walking Street girls in droves.

Just do an eyeball test.

Over one week so far, equal hours as one week in Nana Plaza.

Rainbow for comparison.

In Rainbow over 1. 5 hours (just one day) I'd see 10 or more girls being Barfined.

In Walking street over 1. 5 hours times 7 I've yet to see anywhere near 10 guys Barfine.

As far as 1 kgirls go. God bless you sir. No one hates you for having Fun with them. Hahaha.

Another misnomer. Never take a girl more than 2 or Three times.

I say take her till you don't want to anymore.

The most Fun I has pre COVID were girls that I sessioned with over 30 40 times.

Hard to believe but in those days Connection s were not hard to find.

Of course this doesn't apply for short time stayers.

Hot girls actually gave good Massage s then. Huay Kwang area.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2828312]Another misnomer. Never take a girl more than 2 or Three times.

I say take her till you don't want to anymore.

The most Fun I has pre COVID were girls that I sessioned with over 30 40 times.

Hard to believe but in those days Connection s were not hard to find.

Of course this doesn't apply for short time stayers.

Hot girls actually gave good Massage s then. Huay Kwang area.[/QUOTE]For some ladies, service quality diminishes over time. Or, you get tired of their act.

Monday at Pepper Patties.

The teeny tiny girl with glasses got Barfined. Imagine a 75 lb girl servicing a 225 pound guy.

They have some decent girls but they just don't seem very Friendly. Is it me? No I don't think so but I could be wrong.

Even the Hot ones at Palace Station try to get your attention by being smiley.

Pacha had a 275 pounder on stage. Weird.

If you like Thai rock and roll that Stones place near the entrance got Talent. Wow.

Moon Agogo got hot Hello Girls but they seem Angry all the Time. Hahaha.

Angry Birds. Aka Angry Hello Girls.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2828249]Hard agree. I don't even think quality is all that "down" all things considered.

Also I'm starting to wonder if the High Price Haters are ever even pulling the trigger on these "top tier" GoGo girls or just going to sit in the bleachers for some overpriced grab and tickle. I certainly never hear any actual reports from that corner, just grammatically artistic naysaying in haiku form. No offense.

In the past 28 days I fucked 25 times. Ten girls total. Repeated with one seven times, two girls four times, one girl three times, one girl twice, all the rest single visits. Repeats were necessitated by difficulty finding the quality and sexual activities I require. I do not recommend repeats beyond 3 or 4 as they get lazy.

Locations where I scored.

Soi Boomerang: Slutz, Screamers, Pleasure Lounge.

Soi Excite: Excite Club.

Soi Bongkot: Badabing, Purple.[/QUOTE]My final day in Pattaya last year I took a stroll down Soi 6 and saw something I liked. Walked right up to her and offered 1 k Baht, she obliged and up we went to the dingy ST room. She disrobed in preparation for taking a shower together and goodness, she had the nicest body I had scene since being in Pattaya, coupled with a face that looked half Asian and half Latin. This was the hottetst female I shared the presence of since being in Pattaya. But what do you know, the little guy didn't want to play. I was perplexed, she was perplexed, but my member would not stand to attention. It was a horrible way to end a Pattaya trip as if the session went as planned I would have gotten her Line and tried to see her again in my travels as she was just my type. Anyways, long story short, sometimes the little head just doesn't want to play ball.

Besides the blowjob bars (Club 4 street Bong Koch 8) which are cheeap and easy at 700 for a BBBJ with not the best looking gals. Soi 6 was the best place for cute girls for a great price. Standard price is 1000 bahts for the girl and 400 bahts for the room upstairs.

I learned from this forum to stop asking the price and just assume its 1000 bahts and give her that at the end. Sometimes I gave another 200 for tip if she was great. But whenever you ask how much upfront, she will know you are a newbie and will rip you right off. Do not overpay and ruin it for everyone.

Also so you don't get tricked into buying drinks for a girl who doesn't have sex, always ask first to go upstairs. Thhen tell her to stay first for a drink.

[QUOTE=Sofiy;2828418]
I learned from this forum to stop asking the price and just assume its 1000 bahts and give her that at the end. Sometimes I gave another 200 for tip if she was great. But whenever you ask how much upfront, she will know you are a newbie and will rip you right off. Do not overpay and ruin it for everyone.[/QUOTE]Yes, this very much. The price is 1000 for the girl. Plus something for the room. They will ask for more but just offer the 1000 and they know you understand the situation and will agree to it. They will of course try to say more, but after you say 1000 once or twice they will agree and everything is set without issue.

Sometimes you meet ladies first on social media, and your only contact is text messaging.

The big red flag is when they declare their eternal love before you see them in the flesh.

Or, sometimes you short time them, and then the text messages start.

The basic rule is: the more intense the messages, the more quickly they wash out. That's where the 3 day rule comes in. By the end of 3 days, the lady is done, and wants to go back to her boyfriend.

Unless I am very sure of a lady, 3 days is the max.

Golfers!

Some guys come to Pattaya and have a golfing holiday, but barfine a lady for a week or 2. The ladies love that, because during the day, they can see their boyfriend, or go with a daytime customer.

I had one lady tell me her 2 week golfing customer didn't fuck her because he had a wife. No matter for her, she collected her money and went to Udon Thani to see her former boyfriend for a week.

[QUOTE=Sofiy;2828418]Besides the blowjob bars (Club 4 street Bong Koch 8) which are cheeap and easy at 700 for a BBBJ with not the best looking gals. Soi 6 was the best place for cute girls on for a great price. Standard price is 1000 bahts for the girl and 400 bahts for the room upstairs.

I learned from this forum to stop asking the price and just assume its 1000 bahts and give her that at the end. Sometimes I gave another 200 for tip if she was great. But whenever you ask how much upfront, she will know you are a newbie and will rip you right off. Do not overpay and ruin it for everyone.

Also so you don't get tricked into buying drinks for a girl who doesn't have sex, always ask first to go upstairs. Thhen tell her to stay first for a drink.[/QUOTE]I would not recommend going to the room without agreeing on the price first. Some girls, especially in the Nightwish bars and the ones at the Beach road end of the soi are firm on Baht 1500 or even 2000.

Doing a session with one of these girls and giving her 1000 Baht after the session could cause you a problem. It is better to tell a girl you pay 1000 and let her decide if she wants to accept that.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2828604]I would not recommend going to the room without agreeing on the price first. Some girls, especially in the Nightwish bars and the ones at the Beach road end of the soi are firm on Baht 1500 or even 2000.

Doing a session with one of these girls and giving her 1000 Baht after the session could cause you a problem. It is better to tell a girl you pay 1000 and let her decide if she wants to accept that.[/QUOTE]With a Keen eye you intrinsically know which are the 1,000 bahters. No Worries. Hahaha.

Ye I'm being Facetious. No Hate intended though.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2828512]Yes, this very much. The price is 1000 for the girl. Plus something for the room. They will ask for more but just offer the 1000 and they know you understand the situation and will agree to it. They will of course try to say more, but after you say 1000 once or twice they will agree and everything is set without issue.[/QUOTE]A few girls are doing this but not all, mostly the unattractive ones, girls that doesn't get many customers, girls that just arrived who are cute but yet don't have regular customers (and cannot speak English).

I've met many girls who didn't want to negociate at all and they knew I'm not a newbie. I've had a few sessions canceled just because of that (I was ready to bring them upstairs but the fact they were firm with their prices put me off).

I feel like 1 K is not the standard price anymore, it's just the starting price. Maybe most girls are still willing to go for that price, but more than 80% of the girls in that soi are unattractive anyway, so it means nothing.

Believe me, it's getting harder to get a cuttie (young, slim, not short, nice face and a good attitude downstairs) at 1 K in soi 6. I'm not even talking about the quality of the service upstairs.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2828182]

From you tube vids 2,500 miles away they look OK. Try sitting in a Bar and look at them 2 feet away from you. OMG they just are not attractive.[/QUOTE]I agree. There are some very cute girls in soi 6 but they are extremely picky and would not fuck anyone that asks.

[QUOTE=Sofiy;2828418]Besides the blowjob bars (Club 4 street Bong Koch 8) which are cheeap and easy at 700 for a BBBJ with not the best looking gals. Soi 6 was the best place for cute girls for a great price. Standard price is 1000 bahts for the girl and 400 bahts for the room upstairs.

I learned from this forum to stop asking the price and just assume its 1000 bahts and give her that at the end. Sometimes I gave another 200 for tip if she was great. But whenever you ask how much upfront, she will know you are a newbie and will rip you right off. Do not overpay and ruin it for everyone.

Also so you don't get tricked into buying drinks for a girl who doesn't have sex, always ask first to go upstairs. Thhen tell her to stay first for a drink.[/QUOTE]Don't do that. Always get the price before you go to the room.

[QUOTE=Sofiy;2828418]Besides the blowjob bars (Club 4 street Bong Koch 8) which are cheeap and easy at 700 for a BBBJ with not the best looking gals. Soi 6 was the best place for cute girls for a great price. Standard price is 1000 bahts for the girl and 400 bahts for the room upstairs.

I learned from this forum to stop asking the price and just assume its 1000 bahts and give her that at the end. Sometimes I gave another 200 for tip if she was great. But whenever you ask how much upfront, she will know you are a newbie and will rip you right off. Do not overpay and ruin it for everyone.

Also so you don't get tricked into buying drinks for a girl who doesn't have sex, always ask first to go upstairs. Thhen tell her to stay first for a drink.[/QUOTE]The BJ shops has the oldest and ugliest women out there if you had no problem going there your standards must be very low.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2828646]I agree. There are some very cute girls in soi 6 but they are extremely picky and would not fuck anyone that asks.[/QUOTE]I'm experiencing this. It's really Hard to get the 1% ers on Soi 6 Nekkid.

Oh Lord.

1. Showgirls Soy 6. Made a deal for 2 k. Room 400. Went to cashier Mama San,. Wanted 2,400 right then and there. I know that's not good- walked out.

2. Made another deal for 2 k at another bar. As I was fumbling around with Google Translate if I can pay at Finish she went with another for Drinks.

A peer of hers said I could pay when Finish but it was a moot point then. Hahahaha. Hahaha.

3. Girl said at another bar1,900 all in meaning for her 1,500. Mamasan comes along and says 2,400. Girl then agreed with Mamasan. Hahaha. Hahahaha. Hahaha.

4. Another said 2 k I say 1,500 she turned away fast. Hahaha.

I was surprised quite a few looked Good. All small tittie's though.

Some say Mama's are positive value. I say no way in San Jose should they get into negotiations, let a co worker of the girl do it.

2 Deals killed by Mamasan.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2828650]The BJ shops has the oldest and ugliest women out there if you had no problem going there your standards must be very low.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you just need a skilled plumber to drain your pipe.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2828650]The BJ shops has the oldest and ugliest women out there if you had no problem going there your standards must be very low.[/QUOTE]For selfish reasons it might be nice if this becomes the commonly held sentiment. Not sure if you've been to Bongkot recently though. I will just say people should go see for themselves.

[QUOTE=ChanChalupa;2828681]Oh Lord.

Some say Mama's are positive value. I say no way in San Jose should they get into negotiations, let a co worker of the girl do it.

2 Deals killed by Mamasan.[/QUOTE]Why bring a co-worker in the negotiations? She will always side with the girl anyway, or worse, she might tell the girl she is killing their market by accepting so low fare.

I always negotiate directly with her (with no one staying nearby), never talk to any colleague or mamasan, and never give any information about what happens with her upstairs or any other information like prices.

These girls don't share everything with their colleagues, some of them are friends, but they are concurrent to each other first.