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[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;1993587]P.S.: Something I don't remember reading recently: If I see a girl that's standing on the street (with those signs and all) can I ask her to come inside with me for a drink or are those usually just for advertising and don't go with customers?
[/QUOTE]One thing you will learn soon, is that in Thailand everything is negotiable and everything has its price.
If you offer enough incentive, these girls will probably go with you.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;1993787]Centrepoint terminal 21.
"My number 1 rule is I choose the girl, and rather than she chooses me". That's a good one indeed. Will keep that in mind.
I think it was number 32 I took with me. A waitress (number: 108) kept trying so hard too but I wasn't interested in her at all. The mamasan working there kept begging for drinks as well but she was such a moody woman I was like hell no.[/QUOTE]Ah yes well I don't pay attention to the numbers in this venue. Likely I might know the waitress by name. Too many mamasans in there (4 at least), to be buying them drinks. Only when they supply me with vital info about a girl sought. Yao was always my favorite waitress, not the most pushy. Unavailable due to married to a gogo bar DJ, but there is also another quite sweet shy waitress who does go with customers sometimes (not quite slim enough for me maybe).
[QUOTE=Tiandihui;1992935]This the one I mentioned much earlier. Proven and tested and its good, compare to Viagra if ask me. Pills for long term is a damage to liver. Better take something from natural herbs. Play safe and play long. But again, "Love for one guy may be a hate to another".[/QUOTE]Great if you believe herbs can be that good. Pity they had to add sugars, a very dangerous substance for your health. LOL Hemlock, Belladonna Deadly Nightshade, poison Ivy are all natural substances, right? Better to take something natural? Not necessarily.
However perhaps less is known about long term effects of various chemicals and artificial molecules. And yet we only just start to learn how sugars are "killing us" slowly, could be a contributor to so many diseases. The scientific world seems to have weak knowledge about side effects of many things, since there is so much debate.
If the Herbs really worked so good, I doubt that Viagra market would have taken off so spectacularly. These ingredients like Panax Ginseng, Polygonum, etc. Have been seen on many herbal products. I remain rather sceptical that they can act like Viagra, even if they do have benefits.
I did see a miraculous improvement in a friends long term (stayed for years) blotchy coloured skin (caused by a chemical ointment), going back to normal, after taking Ginseng in Bee's Royal Jelly or something like that. Could have improved blood circulation to the area, maybe?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994097]Ah yes well I don't pay attention to the numbers in this venue. Likely I might know the waitress by name. Too many mamasans in there (4 at least), to be buying them drinks. Only when they supply me with vital info about a girl sought. Yao was always my favorite waitress, not the most pushy. Unavailable due to married to a gogo bar DJ, but there is also another quite sweet shy waitress who does go with customers sometimes (not quite slim enough for me maybe).[/QUOTE]Remembered her name: Bam it was.
Last night I went to Nana Plaza. Way better (IMO) then Soi Cowboy. Felt way more relaxed. Nice few places to sit down too and much more 'lively'. Nice girls too. Took one back to the hotel that was super funny and had a nice time. Elevator guy (or whatever they are called) asked if I 'knew her' but didn't bother after. She told me after the 'fun' a lot of info on how things work which was quite interesting to listen to.
At one bar (I think it was on 2 d floor where they had buckets of ping pong balls you could throw on stage or wherever and the girls go nuts to catch some as they get 5 baht per ball or so. Nice girl sat with me, whole talk and drinks and all so I inquire about price and then she said she can't be barfined. Ehhh okay? I asked the reason but couldn't make it out what she was saying.
Can anyone advise on the line of girls standing in front of Nana Hotel sign. Total No-go or are they okay? A few were nice but I read once on a blog (edit: found it: [URL]http://www.barnewsbangkok.com/page37.html[/URL]) about it and seems bit sketchy. Anyone actually have good experienced with one there? Also: some seemed a bit young tbf. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url]. Or would the police or whoever not allow that and check their ID's now and then?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1993660]My number 1 rule is I choose the girl, and rather than she chooses me. However the girl has to be keen too.[/QUOTE]I remember that some of the best LT sessions I had were with gogo girls from Suzi Wong who choose me.
They came down after their turn on the catwalk, looked at me, gave me a wai and asked if they could sit with me for a while.
It shows that the only rule is that you are to be flexible with your rules!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994101]Great if you believe herbs can be that good. Pity they had to add sugars, a very dangerous substance for your health. LOL Hemlock, Belladonna Deadly Nightshade, poison Ivy are all natural substances, right? Better to take something natural? Not necessarily.
However perhaps less is known about long term effects of various chemicals and artificial molecules. And yet we only just start to learn how sugars are "killing us" slowly, could be a contributor to so many diseases. The scientific world seems to have weak knowledge about side effects of many things, since there is so much debate.
If the Herbs really worked so good, I doubt that Viagra market would have taken off so spectacularly. These ingredients like Panax Ginseng, Polygonum, etc. Have been seen on many herbal products. I remain rather sceptical that they can act like Viagra, even if they do have benefits.
I did see a miraculous improvement in a friends long term (stayed for years) blotchy coloured skin (caused by a chemical ointment), going back to normal, after taking Ginseng in Bee's Royal Jelly or something like that. Could have improved blood circulation to the area, maybe?[/QUOTE]As I mentioned, love for one and hate for another.
Maybe you don't know the product clearly and that's why the negative feel towards it and skeptical about it.
A product success is 70% depends on its marketing strategic.
The main ingredient used in this is Longblack, know to the our Western and Tongka-Ali to the Asians.
Is bitter and that's why the honey is added and naturally honey has it benefits for body too.
Above aside, if sugar is slowly killing us, how beneficial is Viagra? You don't know its slowly killing the Liver too?
To the westerners friends, mostly are still stick to the Viagra, but not the Asians anymore.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;1993587]This forum inspired me to visit Thailand too and so it happened. Today I landed. I have never been to anything like this and only been once paid for a girl (In Scotland that was). I am a (very) young guy and so was wondering if this was for me. Sold my company recently so wanted to experience something 'new' on my travels after a gazillion times in 'western' countries and I think Thailand was def. Good enough for a culture shock! If not a shock to see how everyone drives.
Okay so I am not experienced in it all but have been reading these topics for a while. I'm staying at Terminal 21 so nice and close to Soi Cowboy. Interesting to walk trough altho very uncomfortable the first 2/3 times somehow. Especially because I am by myself you feel a little more aware and had to get some confidence to actually go inside one club. Call it shy, but so be it. Choose Suzie Wong because of the show I read about so thought to try that first. Well. You learn a lot about yourself in this street: the Mostly the fact I have a hard time refusing things / saying no. I am normally easy-going in clubs and easily chat up girls but when you know they come to you with other purposes I somehow get crazily shy even after a few drinks. I used the tip from here never to say it's your first time but I bet they could smell it from a distance haha. Think I ended up paying for 4 ladydrinks for 2 different girls and then took the 2 d girl back to the room already for a ST. To be honest I am clueless why but I think I was just thinking: let's see how the whole process goes so I know for the rest of the holiday...[/QUOTE]Indeed, you can. Girls are very friendly in Thailand. You must, however, talk politely and negotiate nicely so that she is persuaded to go with you.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1994235]I remember that some of the best LT sessions I had were with gogo girls from Suzi Wong who choose me.
They came down after their turn on the catwalk, looked at me, gave me a wai and asked if they could sit with me for a while.
It shows that the only rule is that you are to be flexible with your rules![/QUOTE]I hope that is not exactly your best advice. You forgot the name now?
I guess you assessed her quick and decided she potentially need not be rejected immediately. As I am long sighted and like to review the body properly before deciding, I prefer if I can assess a girl firstly from a distance. Face matters even more than the body though. Personality is the most important but I probably will never know if the looks do not appeal at all. I can easily give a girl a wink from a distance, once I decide she might have possibilities, or make a hand sign to indicate will buy her a drink.
The first girl to approach a newbie guy in Suzi Wong used to be usually the one with a straight thick body, built like a tank, and two big silly coconuts stuck on the top. The name has slipped my mind right now, but I have reported it previously. Too lazy to search it right now. She was being sponsored by a Farang for a while, paying her rent and car, but had subsequently picked up a drug addict Thai boy who would beat her if she didn't have money. One time could not work due to bruises. Heard the story from the girl's "friend", a very pretty one, who doesn't work there any more. She got to my buddy first one day (before I knew her story) and he could not get rid of her (or would not. He was too weak in my view). Ended up, he BFed her and next day told me she was crap on the bed. I was mystified he even liked her at all. However she has been reported on by others on the ISG, that also took her. Eventually I read that she ditched her Farang sponser, but more likely he ditched her. Most girls in Suzi Wong are far better than this girl, but she was the one that would approach a good percentage of newcomer guys first, before anyone else. Very over confident.
The bottom line. You can be approached by a really lovely girl, but the odds are its more likely to be an aggressive dud girl. Choose carefully. Take your time to decide is my advise to anyone, unless the girl is just so special looking that you need to act fast, before some other customer BFs the girl right off your lap. Sure the rules are flexible depending on circumstance.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994315]I hope that is not exactly your best advice. You forgot the name now?[/QUOTE]It is not one particular girl I was talking about. It happened a number of times over the years.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994315]I guess you assessed her quick and decided she potentially need not be rejected immediately.[/QUOTE]I am not very picky. I guess 3 out of 4 girls in Suzi Wong suit me.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994315]The first girl to approach a newbie guy in Suzi Wong used to be usually the one with a straight thick body, built like a tank, and two big silly coconuts stuck on the top.[/QUOTE]I'm quite sure it wasn't her. That type of body doesn't appeal to me.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994315]
The bottom line. You can be approached by a really lovely girl, but the odds are its more likely to be an aggressive dud girl.[/QUOTE]That has never been my experience.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994315] Choose carefully. Take your time to decide is my advise to anyone, unless the girl is just so special looking that you need to act fast, before some other customer BFs the girl right off your lap. Sure the rules are flexible depending on circumstance.[/QUOTE].
That is a wise advice, we all should heed!
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;1993587]Okay so I am not experienced in it all but have been reading these topics for a while. I'm staying at Terminal 21 so nice and close to Soi Cowboy. Interesting to walk trough altho very uncomfortable the first 2/3 times somehow. Especially because I am by myself you feel a little more aware and had to get some confidence to actually go inside one club.
Anyway, next time I will take more time and I will prob feel more relaxed too. Still have to get used to just sitting down in random place and girls coming to you and then asking for drinks to say no if I'm not at all interested. But he. We all had a first time in this 'world' right So taking the 'lessons' aboard.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report. I think reports from first-timers are very important, as this forum tends to be dominated by some veterans who might be a bit jaded. I was there at the beginning of December and can't wait to get back. If you are still in the Land of Smiles, let me give some advice on BKK real quick. From one newbie to another. There is more to the Big Mango than just go-gos. I did not care too much for them and you don't need to like them either. If you like that vibe and you don't mind blowing a lot of money, have at it. But, it is not for everyone. The best sex I pulled in BKK was a girl standing on Sukhumvit, after leaving Soi Cowboy underwhelmed and with a lighter wallet. I made eye contact with a voluptuous SW, offered her 1000 and we were off to the races. Point and click, sure. But still quite satisfying.
I don't understand the need for all this serious vetting and pre-coital conversation and bonding. That's what girlfriends are for. Want to talk with Thai girls? Then join Thai Friendly and you will find plenty to chat with (or most likely waste time with) If some guys like that, that is their business. But, not everybody needs to go through the hustle and hustle of fending off girls wanting you to buy them expensive lady drinks, and maybe end up paying a barfine (which I find ridiculous) and a premium for services, only to find the girl is a cold fish (or starfish as some call them).
Heck, I just went into an ordinary massage parlor for a simple oil massage, not expecting any sexual services. The cute young thing who serviced me gave me such a thorough massage of my thighs, I had a raging boner. She offered me a suck and of course I had to accept that offer. It was a great experience that didn't involve bars or any alcohol or hustles, or haggling with obvious prostitutes. I am certain that there are many more possibilities for sex in Bangkok than we would know about. Experienced travelers have discussed that, specifically how the locals have a different set of options to service them. I'm sure you can find other options as well. And if you make it down to Pattaya, don't miss a stroll down Beach Road after dark.
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The bottom line. You can be approached by a really lovely girl, but the odds are its more likely to be an aggressive dud girl. Choose carefully. Take your time to decide is my advise to anyone, unless the girl is just so special looking that you need to act fast, before some other customer BFs the girl right off your lap. Sure the rules are flexible depending on circumstance.[/QUOTE]Well said, Here is my first BKK one night experience two weeks ago.
Arrived bkk at about 11:20 pm. There is a long line at the custom which took 45 minutes. The taxi Line was long and took about 1 hour to get in the taxi. The traffic was bad and by the time when I arrived the hotel. It was 2:30. Check in the hotel was easy. Took a shower. And by 3 am. I am on the way to cowboy. I stayed at doubletree at Hilton in soi 26. It only takes about less than 10 minutes to walk. As it was in the early morning I took a taxi. With meter. It was 38 be to get to the cowboy. I walked through door by door and nothing interested to me until the crazy house. I saw one on the stage. I looked at her for a few seconds while she was looked at me as well. Then she came down to sit with me. I bought a drink for her and we ahd a nice conversation for a few minutes. I decided to take her out she asked 3000. I offered 2000 and she agreed. The BF was 700. But the 1 lady drink cost 330 and my beer cost 170. We took a taxi. Back to the hotel. It was only less 2 to 3 minutes drive. The taxi drive asked for 100. I encounter 50 but the girl helped the driver and asked me to pay 100. I was not happy and should have stopped there. I did not because I was tired and I did not want to have to looking for another one. Walked straight to my room, immediately she asked for the money. I told her I will give her before she leave after the fun time. She agreed and we took off the cloth and showered together. She did washed me thoroughly and dried me up. Onto the bed, she did a couple minutes BBBJ, then suddenly she looks like want to vomiting and stopped everything. She said she is not felling well and lying on the bed. I went on top of her and did the deed as I was honey. I can tell she is not interested and did not move at all. After I released, she went to the bath room and washed herself, then start dress up. I gave her the promised 2000 be and she left immediately.
Overall, not a very good experience. But this is my first time in BKK and first experience of gogo bar.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;1994385]Well said, Here is my first BKK one night experience two weeks ago.
Arrived bkk at about 11:20 pm. There is a long line at the custom which took 45 minutes. The taxi Line was long and took about 1 hour to get in the taxi. The traffic was bad and by the time when I arrived the hotel. It was 2:30. Check in the hotel was easy. Took a shower. And by 3 am. I am on the way to cowboy. I stayed at doubletree at Hilton in soi 26. It only takes about less than 10 minutes to walk. As it was in the early morning I took a taxi. With meter. It was 38 be to get to the cowboy. I walked through door by door and nothing interested to me until the crazy house. I saw one on the stage. I looked at her for a few seconds while she was looked at me as well. Then she came down to sit with me. I bought a drink for her and we ahd a nice conversation for a few minutes. I decided to take her out she asked 3000. I offered 2000 and she agreed. The BF was 700. But the 1 lady drink cost 330 and my beer cost 170. We took a taxi. Back to the hotel. It was only less 2 to 3 minutes drive. The taxi drive asked for 100. I encounter 50 but the girl helped the driver and asked me to pay 100. I was not happy and should have stopped there. I did not because I was tired and I did not want to have to looking for another one. Walked straight to my room, immediately she asked for the money. I told her I will give her before she leave after the fun time. She agreed and we took off the cloth and showered together. She did washed me thoroughly and dried me up. Onto the bed, she did a couple minutes BBBJ, then suddenly she looks like want to vomiting and stopped everything. She said she is not felling well and lying on the bed. I went on top of her and did the deed as I was honey. I can tell she is not interested and did not move at all. After I released, she went to the bath room and washed herself, then start dress up. I gave her the promised 2000 be and she left immediately.
Overall, not a very good experience. But this is my first time in BKK and first experience of gogo bar.[/QUOTE]
Interesting story, and not uncommon I think. It tells somethings about the state of the gogo-scene and especially Soi Cowboy these days. In your situation you could have argued to give only parts of the amount, like 1000, although it could have been difficult to do so, since you already had started the sex.
The barfine used to (until 2015?) be uniform in the gogo-bars, at 700 baht. (With the exception of the "Arab" bars, of course). Nowadays it seems to vary more. I have been quoted 1200 in Electric Blue (Patpong), 700 or 1000 (don't remember) in Twister (NEP) and 2000 in Crazy Cat (Cowboy). In the last one the girl even wanted 3000 for st, instead of the usual 2500. Needless to said I declined. I suppose the BF-prices are negotiable, but when I have tried the reduction they offer is miniscule.
So that's the end of barfining in gogos for me (I have done it very seldom in the last 3 years anyway). Now it's only BJ-bars and massage parlors that goes. Maybe I will start getting freelancers also, I had a first look at Thermae the other day, it looked promising.
[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1994448]Interesting story, and not uncommon I think. It tells somethings about the state of the gogo-scene and especially Soi Cowboy these days. In your situation you could have argued to give only parts of the amount, like 1000, although it could have been difficult to do so, since you already had started the sex.[/QUOTE]I did think about gave her half of what I promised, 1000 be, because she was in my room for less that 40 minutes, but since it was about 4 am in the morning and I do not want to get in any trouble and I was ready to sleep after traveled for about 28 hours from the US to BKK, and do not want to argue anymore.
Jb.
Have reached a position in my life where it's finally all about me!
I'll be travelling to Bangkok and staying for 7-night sexcapade in March and intend to experience all Sin City has to offer.
I'll be staying at the Landmark Bangkok and this should give me easy access to all the action.
My plans so far are:
Several visits to Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and maybe Patpong.
Experience the GoGo scene and barfine what catches my eye.
I like the thought of picking up a freelancer outside Nana Hotel and taking back to my hotel room.
A blowjob at the Wood Bar.
A full service oily massage at the Tulip.
A soapie at Annies.
This forum has been immensely helpful and of course I want to give back by reporting my experiences.
Have I missed any 'must dos?
Doing recon for my coming trip to BKK and Patts toward the end of the month, saw that Bangkok112 (the fellow who is fond of surveillance videotaping of punters outside Thermae and Soi Cowboy gropers -- do beware!) reported that Baccara requires 2200 baht in lady drinks (presumably for the girl to be taken, but perhaps that's a total). That's on top of the stated 600 BF /3000ST /5000 LT. Could that ladydrink figure (which is outlandish and would constitute, what, 5-10 drinks?) possibly be correct? And do any other gogos do the same? Names named would be great so that I can take notice, maybe pop in for look-sees, but nothing else. (I've also written down a list of do-avoids: the coyote dancer places.) If I wanted to drop serious coin I'd have the run of the Thermae girls willing to do farang, or try Lord's Palace or some high-end "gentleman's club. " Any intel on this alleged situation would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;1994214]Remembered her name: Bam it was.
Last night I went to Nana Plaza. Way better (IMO) then Soi Cowboy. Felt way more relaxed. Nice few places to sit down too and much more 'lively'. Nice girls too. Took one back to the hotel that was super funny and had a nice time. Elevator guy (or whatever they are called) asked if I 'knew her' but didn't bother after. She told me after the 'fun' a lot of info on how things work which was quite interesting to listen to.
At one bar (I think it was on 2 d floor where they had buckets of ping pong balls you could throw on stage or wherever and the girls go nuts to catch some as they get 5 baht per ball or so. Nice girl sat with me, whole talk and drinks and all so I inquire about price and then she said she can't be barfined. Ehhh okay? I asked the reason but couldn't make it out what she was saying.
Can anyone advise on the line of girls standing in front of Nana Hotel sign. SNIP.... Or would the police or whoever not allow that and check their ID's now and then?[/QUOTE]I too salute you for posting your experiences. As Eszzpresszo writes, there are many ways to approach this and you do not have to take any one member's rules as your own. The "nice girl" that sat with you is a coyote dancer. Some go and some do not. Used to be that none would go. The line of women at Hotel Nana are freelancers. My own experience is that I usually get better service there than from a gogo girl. Most will go for 1000ST. Some start at 1500 and will take 1200. My favorite there is 30 and looks 22 so age can be a tricky topic here, Have you read about the oilies? That is for guaranteed porn activities like anal, rimming etc. The ladies tend to be older and not as hot but the service can be as good as it gets. You also might be surprised at some of the talent that you could find in smaller pubs or beer bars. There is often a gem to be found in each little place. I like to play pool, have a beer and get to know the talent. It is usually a rewarding experience. Also the scene tends to be over run by so many old punters, myself included, that it is amusing to see the excitement that a young man stirs in these women. Make that work for you too. Have a good time!
[QUOTE=Surfer86;1994529]Have reached a position in my life where it's finally all about me!
I'll be travelling to Bangkok and staying for 7-night sexcapade in March and intend to experience all Sin City has to offer.
I'll be staying at the Landmark Bangkok and this should give me easy access to all the action.
My plans so far are:
Several visits to Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and maybe Patpong.
Experience the GoGo scene and barfine what catches my eye.
I like the thought of picking up a freelancer outside Nana Hotel and taking back to my hotel room.
A blowjob at the Wood Bar.
A full service oily massage at the Tulip.
A soapie at Annies.
This forum has been immensely helpful and of course I want to give back by reporting my experiences.
Have I missed any 'must dos?[/QUOTE]You could easily leave out Pat Pong.
Annies is not the most representative place for Soapies. Guys have been recommending Merci in Ratchada area recently, since Nataree closed. Darling is also a small Soapy nearby. For really up market Soapy try The Lord.
Since you are in Landmark, suggest try daytime bars in Soi 4 such as "Morning Night" and Stumble Inn".
[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1994459]The barfine used to (until 2015?) be uniform in the gogo-bars, at 700 baht. (With the exception of the "Arab" bars, of course). Nowadays it seems to vary more. I have been quoted 1200 in Electric Blue (Patpong), 700 or 1000 (don't remember) in Twister (NEP) and 2000 in Crazy Cat (Cowboy). In the last one the girl even wanted 3000 for st, instead of the usual 2500. Needless to said I declined. I suppose the BF-prices are negotiable, but when I have tried the reduction they offer is miniscule.
So that's the end of barfining in gogos for me (I have done it very seldom in the last 3 years anyway). Now it's only BJ-bars and massage parlors that goes. Maybe I will start getting freelancers also, I had a first look at Thermae the other day, it looked promising.[/QUOTE]Barfines for Coyotes can be very steep. Also some places have barfines that vary depending on how late it is, with certain types of Coyote or show performers not allowed to go before some time.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;1994214]
At one bar (I think it was on 2 d floor where they had buckets of ping pong balls you could throw on stage or wherever and the girls go nuts to catch some as they get 5 baht per ball or so. Nice girl sat with me, whole talk and drinks and all so I inquire about price and then she said she can't be barfined. Ehhh okay? I asked the reason but couldn't make it out what she was saying.
Can anyone advise on the line of girls standing in front of Nana Hotel sign. Total No-go or are they okay? A few were nice but I read once on a blog (edit: found it: [URL]http://www.barnewsbangkok.com/page37.html[/URL]) about it and seems bit sketchy. Anyone actually have good experienced with one there? Also: some seemed a bit young tbf. Or would the police or whoever not allow that and check their ID's now and then?[/QUOTE]Buying ping pong balls is for tourists, and the madness can cause injuries. The bar makes at least 50% of the cost. You are better off giving your preferred girl a tip or buying her drinks.
You could also throw around cash, but it is disrespectful of the King, since his image appears on the money.
Girls in front of Nana Hotel. They are very variable. Firstly make sure it is not a ladyboy. Most of the ladyboys are on the opposite side of the street but not always. A GFE experience is hard to get first time. Stunners are not very likely. The girls are cheap ranging from 1000 to 1500 for ST. Don't expect magnificent effort for low money. Some girls have very bad baby damage hidden under their clothing, not just saggy tits. I have one more or less regular girl from there now, who was just average the first time, but has become GFE and multi-orgasmic since I started doing her more times, especially after she did not work for a few days. I pay her just a little more than the going rate which motivates her very highly to keep me. She does have a baby to support. Will step up to LT most likely when a suitable occasion occurs, if she can be available, and expect that to cheaper than LT from most sources. I can contact her now. Don't have to look for her on the street. We can meet at my Hotel. She is now better and cheaper more enthusiastic than all girls I recently tried in Thermae. Single mothers can be good when they feel like enjoying a fuck. Her husband was killed in an accident, not that long ago. Very normal story.
If you try a very cheap girl and she was crap, ho hum, just go back and get a replacement. You get what you pay for, or most likely, get even less than what you pay for.
[QUOTE=WildHawk;1994553]Bangkok112....reported that Baccara requires 2200 baht in lady drinks (presumably for the girl to be taken, but perhaps that's a total). That's on top of the stated 600 BF /3000ST /5000 LT. Could that ladydrink figure (which is outlandish and would constitute, what, 5-10 drinks?) possibly be correct? [/QUOTE]Unless this is really recent, there was no such thing as a 2200 baht lady drinks drink minimum when I took my Baccara girl. 1 drink for me and 1 for her and off we went. My ST was also less than 3000. I said I was heading back to Thermae to get a girl there and the Baccara girl quickly accepted the Thermae price of 2500.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1994645]Unless this is really recent, there was no such thing as a 2200 baht lady drinks drink minimum when I took my Baccara girl. 1 drink for me and 1 for her and off we went. My ST was also less than 3000. I said I was heading back to Thermae to get a girl there and the Baccara girl quickly accepted the Thermae price of 2500.[/QUOTE]Hmm. New policy or some sort of attempted scam? Sounds like a procedure for Coyote girls in some bars, but Baccara has no Coyotes, right?
I was thinking of some sort of bull story designed to try to help the girl meet her drinks quota for the month, so as not to loose all or portion of monthly salary. Anyway strange that Bangkok112 video guy would report that. My best wild guess is they had some special rules for New year's eve, or similar.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994636]Buying ping pong balls is for tourists[/QUOTE]Not always. I know a guy who has lived in Bangkok for the last 10 years. Every time I've gone to a go-go with him, he pays for 10,000 baht worth of ping pong balls (and I'm not exaggerating) and buys every girl in the bar multiple drinks including the mamasans. Whenever I go to those Go-Go's alone, the first thing I am always asked is "where is your friend"? haha.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994646]Hmm. New policy or some sort of attempted scam? Sounds like a procedure for Coyote girls in some bars, but Baccara has no Coyotes, right? [/QUOTE]Baccara in Bangkok and Pattaya both have hostesses/coyotes. They mainly hang out upstairs in BKK. My favorite Baccara Pattaya girl is a coyote.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1994696]Baccara in Bangkok and Pattaya both have hostesses/coyotes. They mainly hang out upstairs in BKK. My favorite Baccara Pattaya girl is a coyote.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you put Hostesses and Coyotes together since they are completely different things to me. Coyotes have special outfit and special style of dancing not gogo style. Coyotes have multi layer cover of the tits so you cannot really tell if they have any tits or just stuffing / push-up. Hostesses don't dress like that nor dance.
I seen seen video reports saying Baccara has no Coyotes, but they could be wrong. I don't ever recall them, but have not visited recently (since the buy drinks before entry started).
Oh, is that the definition of a Coyote. If so, Baccara has hostesses.
[QUOTE=WildHawk;1994553]Doing recon for my coming trip to BKK and Patts toward the end of the month, saw that Bangkok112 (the fellow who is fond of surveillance videotaping of punters outside Thermae and Soi Cowboy gropers -- do beware!) reported that Baccara requires 2200 baht in lady drinks (presumably for the girl to be taken, but perhaps that's a total). That's on top of the stated 600 BF /3000ST /5000 LT. Could that ladydrink figure (which is outlandish and would constitute, what, 5-10 drinks?) possibly be correct? And do any other gogos do the same? Names named would be great so that I can take notice, maybe pop in for look-sees, but nothing else. (I've also written down a list of do-avoids: the coyote dancer places.) If I wanted to drop serious coin I'd have the run of the Thermae girls willing to do farang, or try Lord's Palace or some high-end "gentleman's club. " Any intel on this alleged situation would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]That's BS, see later on. I actually went there yesterday. 3rd night in BKK. First I went to crazy house (correct name? Next to Dutch restaurant) for few hours. Finally one with some decent music. Met a nice English man from USA and a Dutch one from Austria. Aren't we all very international Anyways nice girls dancing, altho some a bit shy. Glass floor there but it's so dirty you can hardly see through it to upstairs. They did some fire show there and saw a girl with cigarette in her parts doing some smoking. All fine. What I really really really liked here was how NOT pushy at all everyone was. I think I talked to this guy for 1. 5 hour, right on bar-stool in front of stage. Had 2/3 drinks but no one ever asked me to get one unless I called someone over. In 2 hours maybe only 1 girl asked if I wanted companion but that was it. Real nice to just sit somewhere relaxed and just enjoy the scene!
Alright, midnight so time for something new. Everyone and everywhere always talks about Baccara so let's check that out. Walking in there was hardly any space but asked mamasan and she found a spot for me. Thank you! Now. I don't find this bar all that special atmosphere wise BUT I did find everyone very friendly. Esp the later the night (or maybe that's just everywhere cause the drinks have been flowing haha). A lot of girls hardly dancing and some very enthusiastic. I usually never pick the most enthusiastic dancing ones (he says after only been here 3 days) but this time one tried so hard and in a nice and funny way I told her to come over so I could at least buy her a drink. She was just as nice as she was on stage and after 1 drink I already asked if she wanted to come back to the hotel. I think she asked 2500 or so which was fine and all girls love it when you say Terminal 21 cause it's so closeby. At hotel this time they asked for ID but this was a easy process so it didn't bother me. No weird looks or anything. She was super lovely BUT me not being used to drinking back home and now drinking every day I think I struggled a bit. I also don't like it when they 'fake' moaning and all that but to be fair she kept trying really hard but at end I was just like: thank you and let's go. On a side note: can I just say I notice since I'm here how unbelievable hygienic Thai girls are. I showered with loads of girls in life but Thai girls def make sure they wash themselves really really good, and then some. Farang girls could learn something from that.
Well, once we were done she actually asked if I wanted to go for 'dinner' as it was 2 am. Sure! She took me to this place on side street of Soi cowboy. Very Thai place but ooooh soo good. Had rice with pineapple and chicken or so. Nomnomnom. I tried hers but now I know what they mean by saying Thai food is spicy.
After I bring her back to Baccara cause it's 3 am and she needs to checkout. Had fun and some laughs with the other staff and she left. I checked out the view from upstairs where 5 girls were desperate to find a late customer just before closing.
SO to reply to the above: No one asked me to buy a drink, the girl only had one, didn't ask for more, mamasan of servers didn't so I didn't felt any pressure there. And that was for a Saturday night. I also didn't get a 'menu' with fixed prices as I saw someone mention.
TO continue: there was a tuk-tuk so I asked what the club was that was open until late: Insanity it was. TukTuk wanted to take me if I buy a ticket which ehh yeah that's why I am going there so. Commission for him, so everyone happy. Club was busy and full at 3:30. There were 2 dj's. I guess they were slightly 'famous' or so and must say they did put on a real good show with nice music. At first it was a bit hard to make contact with girls. First of all because music was so loud (well what did I expect) and secondly because the attractiveness def. Wasn't there with 90%. Where in bars I could easily take 25% home and enjoy here I think 5-10% max. So just enjoyed dancing and having a few drinks. After a hour I got bit tired so stood to the side when 2 girls were standing close to me and one of them pushed the other one towards me. As if she could tell I would love her and I did. Exactly my type and I swore for a hour she was 18-21 but later found out she was 32. Yes. It's really hard to tell sometimes. She was an amazing dancer and we had amazing chemistry. Her friend was super fun too and we kept trying to get her with other boys but they didn't seem that interested in her. Poor girl. So they asked if I wanted to go for dinner (jeez, again) at 5 so we went to this restaurant literally next to the club. I think it's part of the club actually. They have a nice outdoor space and the food was really good. They told me they were from Isaan and yes family works at the rice fields and all (haven't read that story before here) . Their English was so-so but it's a nice challenge. After promising her friend some European chocolate she left to her house and I took the girl 'home'. No ID asked this time but I told her to ask reception because she was sleeping over so I'd rather do it then. Anyway, to not make the story too long and much of a diary (just trying to help future first-timers to get a impression) she was very much a GFE which I prefer and we fell asleep hand in hand (say: awww). In the morning took her for breakfast and I then asked if she wanted to stay another night. I really liked being with her and altho I love trying different bars every night and different girls it's nice for one time to stay with one perhaps for 2 days. She is now just back to her house to change, give her friend the chocolate and then she will come back and we just have to go back to her bar to pay the barfine so she doesn't have to work tonight). Anyone advise on where to take her after? Was thinking about the 'above eleven' skybar or so. She will take me on a tour tomorrow to some sites which is nice of her and nice to visit things with a local.
On Tuesday I am heading to Pattaya to experience that. Some people in bars have told me it's a bit more 'extreme'? There so curious to check that out! Can anyone here perhaps advise a good taxi company I can call for the transfer? Rather not want to use the ones in front of hotel so prefer a nice decent clean car.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Kataman;1977296]Montien Hotel, 54 Surawong Rd. , Silom, Bangkok, 10500.
Phone: 02/2337060...[/QUOTE]Sorry mate, I just left from that hotel and it was the worst I've been to in Thailand for punting.
Besides being close to the action, fairly stock standard night market and fairly cheap there are so many things wrong with that hotel.
Service. Atrocious, English especially the men. I could barely talk to them. The night time guys interrupted me three times when I was screwing a bird in my room. Once to tell me that there would be a 1500 baht charge. I told him that was crazy. Second by the manager to tell me that it was 1100 instead and to sign a waiver. And the third time to get the girl's ID. Long waits for service at the reception counter, and the reception staff do not help the cashier staff when checking out. Waited nearly 20 minutes because a Chinese family in front of me took four pairs of slippers. Which they charge 200 baht each BTW. Not once did any staff come over to help guests check out. The men reception also look down pretty badly on your ladies when you bring them in. Very embarrassing. I've never seen this kind of rudeness before from Thai people.
Rooms. Dated, very dated. Shower tapes and fittings are 30 years old and the hot water changes temperature every 30 seconds. My room faced the temple repairing so I was awake several hours than I would have wanted. Not fun when you have an hangover. The king size bed was good however.
I'm not much of an complainer when it comes to cheaper hotels but this place really doesn't deserve our business. Unfortunately I booked for 3 nights brought girls home twice and didn't bother on the third night, the service especially from most of the men there really kills this place.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;1994741]That's BS, see later on..[/QUOTE]Appreciate the info and better news on the money front. With only a couple nights planned in BKK, my time will be precious, so armed with knowledge that certain bars (apparently the Rio/Rawhide/Sahara group is big on coyotes, for example), the details will make it easier to cull the list of scores of punting shops. Undercovers journalism is being planned, so that I'll be a giver here, rather than a taker. Thx.
Good report ItIsMe83. Sounds like you are having a great time.
Reading between the lines, I think you had your first dinner of the evening at Love Scene, a favorite nearby eating establishment of many Cowboy girls. For another Issan style place that I know any Go Go girl or FL will like (and I like too); try Baan E-san Muangyos on Soi 31 Sukhumvit Rd, which is a short taxi ride from Cowboy and Soi 23. Note the friendly hours they are open: 5 PM to 4 AM. This place is very popular and rightly so.
On car service to Pattaya. I always use: [URL]www.pattayataxi.info[/URL].
Email: [EMAIL]keak_vr@hotmail.com[/EMAIL].
Line ID: keakpattaya.
They have a clean, newer fleet of autos and are always on time. A driver will pick you up at your hotel at any time you specify and take you anywhere you want to go in Pattaya or elsewhere. Their LINE connection gets the fastest response, but e-mail works too.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994636] You get what you pay for, or most likely, get even less than what you pay for.[/QUOTE]In terms of looks that can be the case but to my eye there are some lookers in the FL scene if you are patient. In terms of service the opposite can often be true. When there is a starfish experience it is frequently with a hot, more expensive girls.
[QUOTE=DodgyAsian;1994780]Sorry mate, I just left from that hotel and it was the worst I've been to in Thailand for punting.
[/QUOTE]Not much good if you are trafficking heroin either! [URL]https://paulhaywardandwarrenfellows.wordpress.com/[/URL].
OK its been a while so thought I'll contribute a bit with my most up to date experiences. This is over the last 3 months or so and so reflects multiple trips and visits to these places. This is my personal opinion so take it as you will. Hope this helps everyone.
Soi Cowboy. As with a lot of mongering places in Thailand, its not quite as strong as it used to be. Looking thru, Baccara is still by far the best place for the best looking ladies. They're almost all young, almost all 7's to 9's and reasonable prices (for nowadays). Drinks are now the standard 180/200 bht and short time is around 3 k+ including bar fines. Its higher than it used to be but it is what it is. Crazy House still there and still crazy but the lady quality has gone down a lot IMO, mostly 5's-7's. Cowboy 2 - well, they have several coyotes there who are amazing. But this place is a complete ripoff. These girls are doing 400 bht drinks instead of 200, and it adds up, especially when they "invite their friends" or "tip their mama / papasan". Worse. Many of the best looking ladies are not bar fineable but will pretend they are until the absolute last moment. They know well and good how to tease you till the last drop. Go in to appreciate the view but don't get cheated here.
Nana Area. I didn't visit this area so much but is similar to Soi Cowboy but girl prices are much more reasonable and quality is OK. However, its very westerners (whereas Cowboy leans a bit Asian). For the first time, I tried Eden's Club (the legendary threesome place) and Dr. BJ Salon (now Wood Salon) just out of curious from what others have said. Unless you're really really into those kinds of things. Its not particularly worth it IMO.
Soap Massage on Ratchada (note that almost all of these are primarily Asian / Thai clientele, I rarely see westerners and many times there's a farang surcharge):
Ever since Nataree closed, there hasn't been anything that filled that vacuum of huge number of extremely attractive ladies at really good prices. RIP.
Emmanuelle. This place closed down mid last year and reopened under Amsterdam owners. Unfortunately they took a different approach. Whereas it used to have a large selection (30-40+) at good prices ( 2-3. 5 k), they went crazy with the different tiers. There's now around 8 or so tiers with the highest being 7 k+ baht. The problem here with so many tiers is that they have to squeeze the best and better lookers into the top top ones. So any very good looking ones are now 4-5 k+ whereas before you can find a good spread much lower. The facilities are OK but its just a bit too expensive now for what you can get.
Merci. Next to Nataree. It has a decent selection of around 20+ usually and the prices are reasonable at 2 k-3 k on average. The girl qualities are around 5's-7's in my opinion, so its a decent place to go for value but don't expect the best.
Hi-Class. Next to Emmanuelle. Similar to Merci. Decent selection of 20-30 and prices are 2 k -3 k. Girl quality is similar to Merci but the service quality is very hit or miss. Being there several times, half the time its OK, half the time would've been better to save for a better place. I almost threw one girl out early because they were giving an attitude. They wanted to be done and out in only 30 minutes to get more customers vs the 1. 5 HR paid.
Copa Cabana. Dead. 2 girls in 1st floor, 6 girls on 2nd floor during peak hours. Not what it used to be. Shame. Had good memories here.
Caesar. Dead and closed.
Poseidon. Alive and decent. Not nearly the same quality of girls a few years ago but they have a decent selection of 30-50 girls spread on the 1 F and 3 F model areas. The 1 F area is around 2-3 k whereas the 3 F is usually close to 4-6 k. Decent service for what it is but pricey.
On other note:
Never stay at SWISSOTEL LE Concorde across the street on Ratchada. They have extremely unfriendly mongering policies and are assholes about it. They actually forced a girl friend I was meeting up with (ironically she was seeing me for free as a friend here rather than being hired) to leave the hotel, go back to her place to get her ID before coming back. It was utterly ridiculous. If you appreciate this report, avoid giving them any business.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1994935]Good report ItIsMe83. Sounds like you are having a great time.
Reading between the lines, I think you had your first dinner of the evening at Love Scene, a favorite nearby eating establishment of many Cowboy girls. For another Issan style place that I know any Go Go girl or FL will like (and I like too); try Baan E-san Muangyos on Soi 31 Sukhumvit Rd, which is a short taxi ride from Cowboy and Soi 23. Note the friendly hours they are open: 5 PM to 4 AM. This place is very popular and rightly so.
On car service to Pattaya. I always use: [URL]www.pattayataxi.info[/URL].
Email: [EMAIL]keak_vr@hotmail.com[/EMAIL].
Line ID: keakpattaya.
They have a clean, newer fleet of autos and are always on time. A driver will pick you up at your hotel at any time you specify and take you anywhere you want to go in Pattaya or elsewhere. Their LINE connection gets the fastest response, but e-mail works too.[/QUOTE]Haha love Scene indeed it is. Went back today to eat there. Love the place. Nice and something for everyone there! Thanks for the taxi info. Sending them a line right now.
I got sore legs so I seriously need a relaxing massage (not erotic), can someone recommend one. I am staying at Soi 29, so nearby is preferred.
Thanks.
Landed in Bangkok couple a days ago and got laid more than couple of times already. Yesterday night after a BJ at the Som's Heaven, wanted to smoke up some Hukkah. All Arab places say its not available. I did a quick google search and found that its indeed taken off. I, however also found many latest reviews of restaurants which mentioned "the food was awesome and shisha was great" . I went asked that restaurant (Bamboo pub) and they denied serving any shisha.
Is it been completely taken off or some places still secretly serve shisha to only regulars in the inside?
Regards,
A.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1995919]I got sore legs so I seriously need a relaxing massage (not erotic), can someone recommend one. I am staying at Soi 29, so nearby is preferred.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Foot and leg massage are almost everywhere available. Small to no chance it will turn into something erotic.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1995919]I got sore legs so I seriously need a relaxing massage (not erotic), can someone recommend one. I am staying at Soi 29, so nearby is preferred.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I don't know about proximity to soi 29, but Footjoy on soi 11 is a good bet, as are many of the shops on soi 8 or closer to Sukh from the Footjoy on soi 11.
It won't be hard to tell if it's legit for foot massage. Go to any shop where the women are not cat-calling to you and say what you want. If they don't try to up-sell you to an oil massage because "you han-sum man" the shop is almost certainly legit. Also, the foot massage will likely be done on first floor in full view of a window. Come to think of it, you may be able to pick a shop by looking for other farang getting a foot massage. Hope this helps. TTG.
First night I had an independent which is a complete failure. Report / complaint is in the classified thread.
Second night I went to Soi cowboy. Checked out Bacara, its packed and a lot of girls but I didn't find anyone I like nor did I find a seat. Checked out Sussie Wong but girls are not my type. I then found crazy house (didn't see it because I came in through Asok entrance and crazy house is not with any other clubs). Played with a nude girl for one drink and went upstairs found a cutie (she told me later she is a univ student), played a bit and ordered a drink for her, she then immediately asked me to take her out for 3 k. We talked about the things I want to do and seal the deal. Back to my hotel, I found a lot of birth marks and skin is on the dark side (I prefer white or tan) as she is from Issan. Pussy tastes good, and I fingered her for a while. Rubber on and started fucking. I enjoyed it but she doesn't. She looks tired and after about 20 minutes in the session she told me to move faster so she can go home earlier because she has to get up at 5 am the next day. I stepped up the tempo and finished inside her pussy. I later gave her 200 for taxi and escorted her out of the ally because I did enjoy the shower session and the first 20 minutes of our fuck.
Its much better than the first night but you can see there are still surprises.
So questions for the experienced, is there a way to check birth marks (hard to see them in the bar, or maybe its because she didn't dance?) How do I tell if a girl is going to be cold in the bed and how to avoid it? I did spend some time talking with her in the bar and she seems pretty enthusiastic. I did touch her body and even the pussy so is there any other checks that should be done?
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1996288]I don't know about proximity to soi 29, but Footjoy on soi 11 is a good bet, as are many of the shops on soi 8 or closer to Sukh from the Footjoy on soi 11.
It won't be hard to tell if it's legit for foot massage. Go to any shop where the women are not cat-calling to you and say what you want. If they don't try to up-sell you to an oil massage because "you han-sum man" the shop is almost certainly legit. Also, the foot massage will likely be done on first floor in full view of a window. Come to think of it, you may be able to pick a shop by looking for other farang getting a foot massage. Hope this helps. TTG.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips, guys. I ended up finding one on google near the grand palace when I was around there. It was only 250 for one hour and it was nice and relax. Will try another one today so I can be ready for the night, cheers.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1994625]You could easily leave out Pat Pong.
Annies is not the most representative place for Soapies. Guys have been recommending Merci in Ratchada area recently, since Nataree closed. Darling is also a small Soapy nearby. For really up market Soapy try The Lord.
Since you are in Landmark, suggest try daytime bars in Soi 4 such as "Morning Night" and Stumble Inn".[/QUOTE]No activities in the above two places, just drink and pool?
The massage place right on the corner of soi 29 at sukhumit is good for foot massage. The place is orange and I think is called Zen Thai. Their foot massages are downstairs. If you are a hansum man then they may try and upsell HJ / BJ if you take an oil massage. But up to you if you want to or not and the massages in and of themselves are good and not expensive. There is an El Toro meat restaurant next door, not recommended.
You can also go to the "W-at Pho Thai Traditional Massage School Sukhumvit", suk soi 37. Number 46 gives a very good foot massage. Stay away from number 68.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1995919]I got sore legs so I seriously need a relaxing massage (not erotic), can someone recommend one. I am staying at Soi 29, so nearby is preferred.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
If you don't like walk of shames: don't stay at the Sofitel on Sukhumvit where a record amount of people welcome you and pass you by while you walk to your room: the I read somewhere this is one of the newer hotels when I booked it but compared to Centrepoint on Terminal 21 this is def. A lesser hotel. Bathroom esp very worn out and lots of spots and all on walls. Not too good. Centrepoint I highly highly recommend. Staff is awesome and they make everything easy for you. I was supposed to move to Pattaya last Tuesday but as things were very enjoyable in BKK I decided to stay and cancelled hotel and taxi.
Girl was with me for 2 days. She took me to what Paknam temple which was great to see and then for some dinner before I told her she had to go because I had a 'date' set up with a girl from Thai Friendly (Well. Said I had to work obv). Half a hour between those 2 meets so was glad when she finally left. More on the thaifriendly girl later.
So the girl I was with for 2 days messaged me again last night asking if I wanted to hang out again. All the standard 'I miss you, I love you, I this and that'. She was genuinely a nice and caring girl and pretty normal and I planned (after reading a gazillion warnings for Thailand visitors) not to stick to one girl I did like her a lot so I thought why not I'll barfine her one more time and enjoy some time together again. But. Oh oh this was a mistake: the When at the bar (almost know half the crew by now- temptation bar at 2 the level Nana- not the best looking girls BTW but they make it up by their nice attitude mostly) she came to me and after a lot of hugging and kissing and all and ordering 2 drinks for me and her and one for mamas an I paid barfine. But then. Out of nowhere her whole attitude changed. All the sudden she said I need to consume more drinks and take care of her friends too and she almost started to scream at me (like WTF: the). I am not cheapskate at all and don't mind buying rounds of drinks but this time I thought after 2 drinks let's just go and go somewhere else and have some drinks. But clearly this didn't go down well. Maybe she had a target to meet or god knows what. She kept going on about it so I was like: let me get out of here. They can keep their barfine and she can go explain to everyone why I left after paying her barfine and all. Made up some excuse that I have to go back to hotel and jumped off quickly and out of the door. Goodbye!
That's what you get for being nave first-timer and falling for the tricks of a girl. Surely thousands have it happen before but always a fascinating to witness yourself the things after reading about it. Now. After leaving you get the Line app messages show up. Am I the only one thinking it always feel like your messaging with 12 year old with those stickers and all? It's like being on the internet in the 90's again. For privacy I took her name out but this is what I get after leaving (see attachments). Stopped replying on it as I got tired about it. She just doesn't get why I left and I was fed up with attitude. And it actually helped me because straight after I booked trip to Pattaya where I now will be Friday to Wednesday staying at the Siam resort next to walking. Back to good times and multiple girls and fun times. No time for drama when your only a few weeks in the country!
After a week in this country I can see how some guys fall for all the things that can happen here tho. As in getting too committed to one girl. Falling for giving the girls too much money because of their sad stories and all the other things I been reading about. I really get it now. Def good all those stories are out there on the web because you really need to protect yourself against some feelings here. Young, old, rich or poor. Everyone can fall for the things here, far away from home.
On the thaifriendly girl. Nice normal girl, working as a sales executive. But VERY insecure girl. Little bit Chubby (skinny for European standards) for a Thai and I think bit unlucky in love. Only 22 tho but they seem to be panicking young here if not found a husband by 22 or so. Took her to the movies. In elevator to it (T21) standing with 6 girls who kept giggling and talking and looking back at me. No idea what they were saying but when leaving a whole group of girls saying: byeeeeaaaa mister mister! And one blowing kisses. LOL. If only that happened back home Funny scene. After the movie I asked the girl if she wanted to go for a drink. Now has anyone ever seen a girl 'drunk' after sipping half a Margarita? No, me neither but this girl pulled it off. In a weird way. I believe she was actually or she wins a Oscar. After some convincing (pff hard work girl) she came to room after she told me 5 times she is not that kind of girl and she doesn't want me to think that way and blabla. OK.
In room she then had a big cry about her life, and her love life and all. Pffff. Aka: the state every girl sometimes get's when they are 'drunk' and they start thinking too much. Well hour after that we finally hit it off and she was 10 times more fun then any bar girl I had before. The 'chubbiness' helped actually as she wasn't so crazy tight as some of these bargirls are and it was a great night. She randomly fell asleep naked on top of bed after the 2 the time and I couldn't get her to wake up even after shaking her a bit: the So I just let her to sleep the night. In the morning she went back to work a few hours late. Nice experience. Must say I find Thaifriendly not the easiest. You have to put in some work and most girls get so many messages. But if you send a nice 'different' message you might be able to meet some nice girls. She showed me her profile and the messages people send,. Dear lord. Please. If one sends a message to a girl at least act like you read her profile and mention something about what she wrote in it and don't write straight away 'he honey I love you want to meet' kinda crap. I'm sure there's smarter people here but from what I seen there's some crazy dumb people who prob wonder why no girl replies to them. Show some game.
Really looking forward going to Pattaya now. Are there any bars known for having a lot of 'new' girls (18-21 age) ? Or is it all very much mixed up with working.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1995919]I got sore legs so I seriously need a relaxing massage (not erotic), can someone recommend one. I am staying at Soi 29, so nearby is preferred.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Cefle on soi 33 is legit and very good.
Phunnee on Suk between soi 33 and 35 is another decent legit massage option in the area.
Both easy to find using google.
SL.
Got a Thai massage session in the morning, which is now part of my daily routine.
Scouted Nana in day time, didn't find anything interesting. Decided to check out the soappies mentioned in this board.
Went to lord palace first, at 4:15 pm there were only 5-6 girls on the stage, 1-2 models on the side. The price is from 3000-8 k. Found one of my type (6 k) but want to check out other soapies first. Headed out, walked to Merci, only 2 girls working, Emmanuelle is better with 20-30 girls already on the stage but none of my type. Went straight to Poseidon, they have 1st floor (2.6 k, 2.8 k, 3 k) and models on 3rd floor (up to 5. 5 k). There were a lot of choices on both floors, but again I didn't find one that I feel I had to pull the trigger. Went back to lord but my girl is gone. I decided to wait cause I was told there will be more girls after 6 (they didn't lie). I waited till 6 pm but my girl is still not back so I chose another one I am fond of (which is only 4. 9 k. She told me later she just started a month ago so that's probably the reason for low price). Her name is gan or kan, beautiful face (8. 5-9), very nice body (9) with be+ natural boobs, tight stomach and slim legs (butt is not great so -1, the leg is not super long as most Thai girls), service is 10 for me even if she didn't kiss me much because of the make up. We started with bath tub, she thoroughly washed my body with soap before started kissing my nipple and the little john. She then hold my dick in between breasts and started massaging it. At the mean time I started massaging her body and also fingering her pussy. Pussy felt soft and warm even in the water, really nice and she started some low moaning and seemed to enjoyed it. After that we moved to the bed and she started BBBJ which is decent, but the better part is she let me eat her pussy and played 69. Then we went to DATY and it was very nice. Pussy is very clean and tastes good, she started really moaning and even twisting her body like the typical girl orgasm I had with my girl friends. She either really enjoyed it or its a professional acting performance. I couldn't tell. After she had the "orgasm" she said she wants my dick in her pussy which is always the best sentence I would like to hear. She slipped the rubber on my dick before I even noticed it and pushed me into her. We then switched a few positions and her pussy feels always warm and wet. We ended up fucking in front of a mirror with her hands on the table, butt pointing high towards me. I banged her from back while holding her breasts and neck. It was really nice and I finally finished after banging for 20 minutes. It is so nice that I am planning to visit her again in one of my remaining two days.
When I leave lord around 7 ish, there are almost 30-40 girls out and I believe there are at least 10+ girls working in the rooms, so come around 7-8. After leaving lord, I had some supper and headed back to Thermae, and found it opens at 8 pm so I turned to Nana plaza and sit at the end of the 2nd level watching. Spotted a girl with nice figure from distance so I decided to check out. She is from strip, which is a tiny bar with only one stage and seats for no more than 12 customers, but there are 20+ girls there, and most of them are 8+ in my book, I didn't find a 9 so I left after bought 2 lady drinks (very affordable comparing to other bars, total $5 xx including my beer). Will need to come back one day.
Out of nana plaza, its time to check out thermae, at 9 pm its already packed, there are a lot of girls all around the room, and outside. I made one round found one 8, no 9 so I left. Next time, I shall probably sit in the middle so I can check out all the girls without walking around.
After thermae, I headed to Mixx but found I am not allowed to enter due to me wearing shorts. Went to Spasso across the street and I actually like the atmosphere there, three black singers (from states I can tell) tonight signing very classic musics, not too loud so its perfect for conversations. There were about 10 ladies there at 10 pm and they are all around the bar near the door, so don't sit at the other end. Found a few 8+ that I usually would take home but not today after the great soapy session. More girls started coming in after 11 but I left.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;1996443]
So the girl I was with for 2 days messaged me again last night asking if I wanted to hang out again. All the standard 'I miss you, I love you, I this and that'. She was genuinely a nice and caring girl and pretty normal and I planned (after reading a gazillion warnings for Thailand visitors) not to stick to one girl I did like her a lot so I thought why not I'll barfine her one more time and enjoy some time together again. But. Oh oh this was a mistake: the When at the bar (almost know half the crew by now- temptation bar at 2 the level Nana- not the best looking girls BTW but they make it up by their nice attitude mostly) she came to me and after a lot of hugging and kissing and all and ordering 2 drinks for me and her and one for mamas an I paid barfine. But then. Out of nowhere her whole attitude changed. All the sudden she said I need to consume more drinks and take care of her friends too and she almost started to scream at me (like WTF: the). I am not cheapskate at all and don't mind buying rounds of drinks but this time I thought after 2 drinks let's just go and go somewhere else and have some drinks. But clearly this didn't go down well. Maybe she had a target to meet or god knows what. She kept going on about it so I was like: let me get out of here. They can keep their barfine and she can go explain to everyone why I left after paying her barfine and all. Made up some excuse that I have to go back to hotel and jumped off quickly and out of the door. Goodbye!
Really looking forward going to Pattaya now. Are there any bars known for having a lot of 'new' girls (18-21 age) ? Or is it all very much mixed up with working.[/QUOTE]So temptations at Nana have started employing "girls" now? LOL. BTW your "girl" wanted to get some "face" so buying LD for her gives her a good face and buying LD for her sisters gets her great face. You better RTFF on this face thingy of Thai culture that can save you from lot of unintended trouble.
P.S.: Sapphire in pattaya had hottest, tanned beauties but if you are looking for that age range then take a stroll around soi honey, Various small shops on that street keep getting supplies of farm fresh babes.
Thanks for the no BS update.
Very accurate from what I saw last week.
The 400 THB lady drinks price is the last straw for me.
I will not return.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1996653]So temptations at Nana have started employing "girls" now? LOL. BTW your "girl" wanted to get some "face" .[/QUOTE]Is "girl" what they like to be called these days? I'm always confused by that. I normally avoid even walking past bars with that type of "girl".
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1996605]Cefle on soi 33 is legit and very good.
Phunnee on Suk between soi 33 and 35 is another decent legit massage option in the area.
Both easy to find using google.
SL.[/QUOTE]Went to Cefle on my way back to hotel, and found its closed (probably permanently). Turned around to another massage store also on Soi 33. Looks legitimate but its NOT.
Girl (probably well over 30) started normal and a bit cold. Massage is good but she touches my crouch more often than my previous two masseurs, and later she was basically holding and massaging my balls.
I wanted to save energy for the night so pretended to ignore it. But she didn't stop there and proceed to massage my shaft even after I turned down her offer. Though having my plan but I'm also curious how good her skill is because her massage feels good, so I didn't insist (and I don't know how to refuse it when my pants is already pulled off). She put oil on my dick and start slowly massaging it. Feels pretty good and I started to finger her. Played her pussy for 10 minutes and she is not too into it so I lied down and let her do her job. Disclaim this is my first time in BKK and never had a professional HJ before so this is very special for me and I enjoyed it. Paid 1000 to the girl plus the body massage price at the end.
Now I am wasted and I can do nothing tonight but watering here.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1996622]Went to lord palace first, at 4:15 pm there were only 5-6 girls on the stage, 1-2 models on the side. The price is from 3000-8 k. Found one of my type (6 k) but want to check out other soapies first. Headed out, walked to Merci, only 2 girls working, Emmanuelle is better with 20-30 girls already on the stage but none of my type. Went straight to Poseidon, they have 1st floor (2.6 k, 2.8 k, 3 k) and models on 3rd floor (up to 5. 5 k). There were a lot of choices on both floors, but again I didn't find one that I feel I had to pull the trigger. Went back to lord but my girl is gone. I decided to wait cause I was told there will be more girls after 6 (they didn't lie). I waited till 6 pm but my girl is still not back so I chose another one I am fond of (which is only 4. 9 k. She told me later she just started a month ago so that's probably the reason for low price). Her name is gan or kan, beautiful face (8. 5-9), very nice body (9) with be+ natural boobs, tight stomach and slim legs (butt is not great so -1, the leg is not super long as most Thai girls), service is 10 for me even if she didn't kiss me much because of the make up. [/QUOTE]Good report. Yes 4:15 is a bit too early for many of these places.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1996401]No activities in the above two places, just drink and pool?[/QUOTE]I would not suggest a place for just drink and pool. Of course most hostess girls can be barfined in these daytime bars.
[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;1996728]Thanks for the no BS update.
Very accurate from what I saw last week.
The 400 THB lady drinks price is the last straw for me.
I will not return.[/QUOTE]Where did you experience 400 Baht lady drinks? I have never seen that. I saw 200 baht lady drinks in Suzie Wong after the Baccara take over and thought that was getting silly already, since the girl quality is not that special.
400 Baht surely equals 2 lady drinks?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1996878]Good report. Yes 4:15 is a bit too early for many of these places.[/QUOTE]That was the reason I visited soapy because people mentioned that for day activity, but still.
So any other things to do instead being wasted by roadside massage parlor?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1996894]Where did you experience 400 Baht lady drinks? I have never seen that. I saw 200 baht lady drinks in Suzie Wong after the Baccara take over and thought that was getting silly already, since the girl quality is not that special.
400 Baht surely equals 2 lady drinks?[/QUOTE]Maybe it's like that scam in Crazy House where the girl order a tequila coke. And they charge for 2 separate drinks - 1 coke and 1 tequila.
I recently acquired a METV and will be in and around BKK until August.
Where would one find Pregnant bargirls / providers?
In Tokyo this was easy, but SEA doesn't advocate much for this fetish.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;1996955]Maybe it's like that scam in Crazy House where the girl order a tequila coke. And they charge for 2 separate drinks - 1 coke and 1 tequila.[/QUOTE]Two glasses is two drinks yes. We are well aware tequila coke does not mean they are mixed together as a single drink. LOL
I always indicate to the waitress with fingers, if the girl is getting 1 or two drinks. Two drinks only for very special girls. Two drinks comes to 330 baht anyways. No way two drinks if I am not going to BF her or as yet undecided. The long gone stunner Donut was able to get two drinks, as she was in a special class of having several guys competing to get to her, so I felt the need to be generous in her case, and since I knew she needed to make money fast for her studies (she worked very few days per month). Mostly the girl has to choose if she will get a coke or a tequila, but not both together.
My regular girl (not a bargirl) had a bad belly today (bad food yesterday) so I went out for a short while.
Went in CH for a look tonight, first visit in about 8 weeks. Some guys report good line up and some report bad. It depends on what the guy's taste is, and the time, and maybe day of the week. Smoothie's highly decorated highly pierced raunchy one wasn't in, or possibly BFed before I arrived about 9.45PM.
The line up is not for guys wanting big tits (apart from the one girl with giant sillies), nor the modified alien look as per Baccara. Yes a few nose jobs (did not count them). In two sets of girls, about 35 girls total, only 3 sets of silicones, otherwise mostly A cups, B cups, and no cups. All slim girls, not one fatty downstairs. A lot of good bodies for my taste (no major faults other than small tits). Faces mostly above average for Thais but not one stunning face.
Most of the girls with bad bodies and/or silicones may well work upstairs, I did not check.
Jane No. 4 was dancing (a shock) so she came to me. I indicated I would not be barfining her so she was welcome to be BFed by another regular of hers , should that arise . She stayed with me for a few minutes, but was very soon barfined by a regular, very short Asian guy, no taller than her. LOL
I thought 133 and 168 were quite good looking and doable for me, assuming I liked the personality. 145 also looks good but not my face spec. Pretty much a similar set of girls as I used to see. No. 11 had really great body, not too slim, but again face not that special. If nice personality, then very doable.
Sukhumvit merchandise stands were back I saw. Walking along Sukhumvit saw 3 stunners, miles better looking than in CH, also miles more stunning than Baccara girls, two were with an Asian dude, most likely Japanese around Terminal 21 area, and one was outside Thermae. The later could have been a LB, maybe not. Very beautiful face. Standing with a probable LB, so I had to be suspicious. All 3 looked naturally stunning without detectable surgeries, and at least two had very shapely asses from the back. So there is talent around, but just where to find it. Maybe in some Japanese clubs or G clubs, I don't know. LOL
The odd very nice looking girl was seen outside Nana carpark (no not stunning - just cute) at 8PM. One platinum blonde type (still Thai) looked appealing.
Sat 11 Feb is Makha Bucha day. Bars will not operate, or not be allowed to sell alcohol or girls, should be closed, restaurant pubs maybe not closed (not sure). Freelance girls on the street told me they will not be allowed to work either. Not sure about MPs.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1997003]Two glasses is two drinks yes. We are well aware tequila coke does not mean they are mixed together as a single drink. LOL
I always indicate to the waitress with fingers, if the girl is getting 1 or two drinks. Two drinks only for very special girls. Two drinks comes to 330 baht anyways. No way two drinks if I am not going to BF her or as yet undecided. The long gone stunner Donut was able to get two drinks, as she was in a special class of having several guys competing to get to her, so I felt the need to be generous in her case, and since I knew she needed to make money fast for her studies (she worked very few days per month). Mostly the girl has to choose if she will get a coke or a tequila, but not both together.
My regular girl (not a bargirl) had a bad belly today (bad food yesterday) so I went out for a short while.
Went in CH for a look tonight, first visit in about 8 weeks. Some guys report good line up and some report bad. It depends on what the guy's taste is, and the time, and maybe day of the week. Smoothie's highly decorated highly pierced raunchy one wasn't in, or possibly BFed before I arrived about 9.45PM.
The line up is not for guys wanting big tits (apart from the one girl with giant sillies), nor the modified alien look as per Baccara. Yes a few nose jobs (did not count them). In two sets of girls, about 35 girls total, only 3 sets of silicone, otherwise mostly A cups, B cups, and no cups. All slim girls, not one fatty downstairs. A lot of good bodies for my taste (no major faults other than small tits). Faces mostly above average for Thais but not one stunning face..[/QUOTE]Mixx is closed for today (2/10) and the security told me it will open tomorrow, didn't bother to check other clubs.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1996829] Paid 1000 to the girl plus the body massage price at the end.
Now I am wasted and I can do nothing tonight but watering here.[/QUOTE]Not a complaint about pricing or anything. But 500-700 baht is the going rate for handjob, fully clothed. A lot of girls will upsell to go topless / nude for another 500 baht, making it 1000 baht total.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;1997071]Not a complaint about pricing or anything. But 500-700 baht is the going rate for handjob, fully clothed. A lot of girls will upsell to go topless / nude for another 500 baht, making it 1000 baht total.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Yes, she was undressed and offered pussy for me but she is not young so I didn't penetrate her.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1997046]Mixx is closed for today (2/10) and the security told me it will open tomorrow, didn't bother to check other clubs.[/QUOTE]The Budhist holiday is Saturday 11/02 not 10/02. There is no drinking on 11/02 so Mixx will close today. It will possibly open at midnight when 11/02 turns to Sunday 12/02. It probably closed on 10/02 because it is a late club and it would be no sense closing at midnight when 10/02 changes to 11/02.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1997170]The Budhist holiday is Saturday 11/02 not 10/02. There is no drinking on 11/02 so Mixx will close today. It will possibly open at midnight when 11/02 turns to Sunday 12/02. It probably closed on 10/02 because it is a late club and it would be no sense closing at midnight when 10/02 changes to 11/02.[/QUOTE]Is everything going to close today? Its my last day in BKK, and I want to try lord palace again.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1997003]Two glasses is two drinks yes. We are well aware tequila coke does not mean they are mixed together as a single drink. LOL[/QUOTE]I've only seen that scam in Crazy House. I need to learn some Thai on how to deal with this as well. If the girl or the waitress can speak some English, I don't have a problem telling them they get EITHER a cola or Tequila, not both. But twice I've had problems where I thought it was clear that they would get one drink, not two and the waitress brought both and tried to charge me for it. The second it arrives, I refuse to pay for it and tell them I said either a coke or tequila, not both. And both times, it took like a hour to get it off the bill. Pain in the ass.
I was wondering if anyone knows about any sim prepaid plan that can work in neighboring countries such as Cambodia, Malaysia etc. Won't mind if there are roaming charges. Better to have something than buy from each country separately.
If you know of any company in Thailand that sells something like this please share.
Most of things are closed but lord palace is still open. Went there but my O25 is working and won't return till 2 hours later, so picked M32. Face is so so (maybe 7), boobs is on the smaller size but natural and firm (feels really good for people not crazy about the size), big ass for a Thai girl and it feels really good doing doggie (body is 8). Service (8) is not as good as O25 but she is 600 bahts cheaper (5300). Started in the bath tub and she has a special massage almost like scratching your body with fingers. I really like that. Move to the bed she gave me a few minutes of blow job and then wanted to put coat on (BJ is not impressive). I stopped her and started fingering and DATY. She got wet and started twisting her body, and her pussy feels very tight. After 10 minutes of playing pussy, she urged me again to get into her pussy so I did since I am tired of eating too. Changed a few positions, enjoyed mostly the doggie but I didn't release. I asked her to lie down so I can hold her and talk and kiss. At the end, we decided for her to ride on me, and I released myself in that position. I think the phone started ringing not much later, which is still 15 minutes before my 1. 5 hour. Feel satisfied we walked out together and she asked for 200 tips for the Mamasan, so I gave her a total of 500. Still didn't see O25 when we get out and there are only 20 girls on the stage, but M32 told me there are probably 80 girls working in the rooms, so very good business. I guess its because a lot of places are closed for today.
Back to my hotel, got messages from a few online free lancers. One has very beautiful pics so I asked her to come for the overnight which she asked for 6000. She arrived almost an hour later, and is a very different person in life. She told me its because of her special camera. Now I completely lost my faith for the pictures. I didn't send her back right away as it is my last night so I want to try an overnight service. After some conversation and hugging, she undressed both of us and then she asked me for the money. Recalled the advice from this board so I told her she will have her money in the morning, but she refused. I don't like her face / body either so I decided to send her back which I had to pay 1000 bahts.
Its really hard to find a 9 girl in Thailand at least for me. Found quite a few solid 8 and 8. 5 but didn't see one beauty that can blow my mind away. My best experience is in lord palace, girl quality and service are better than gogo bar (for me), and free lancer is now 100% failure (2 out of 2). Do I want to come back, yes, but probably after trying out Europe and south america.
[QUOTE=Oterri;1997383]I was wondering if anyone knows about any sim prepaid plan that can work in neighboring countries such as Cambodia, Malaysia etc. Won't mind if there are roaming charges. Better to have something than buy from each country separately.
If you know of any company in Thailand that sells something like this please share.[/QUOTE]Also try google. [URL]http://www.datago.co/thai-prepaid-happy-tourist-sim-card-from-dtac.html[/URL] I had SIMs but never tried roaming. Other countries' prepaid can roam so I don't see why the Thai ones cannot. I usually give it to a new found friend before departure as there is usually quite a lot of load or data left.
Several times over the years, I get a text message saying that I now have a local number for my roaming SIM. This has happened only in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;1997349]I've only seen that scam in Crazy House. I need to learn some Thai on how to deal with this as well. If the girl or the waitress can speak some English, I don't have a problem telling them they get EITHER a cola or Tequila, not both. But twice I've had problems where I thought it was clear that they would get one drink, not two and the waitress brought both and tried to charge me for it. The second it arrives, I refuse to pay for it and tell them I said either a coke or tequila, not both. And both times, it took like a hour to get it off the bill. Pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]Had that happening to me last time in CH, was probably a few drinks too far gone to notice until I paid up. Harassed by numerous waitresses pushing for drinks throughout the evening, mamasan pushing for tips as I BF'd the girl. And then was harassed for a 500 bht cover by the doorman as I LEFT the place. WTF?
Had some decent experiences in CH before, but nowadays? No, never setting foot in there again.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1997419]
Back to my hotel, got messages from a few online free lancers. One has very beautiful pics so I asked her to come for the overnight which she asked for 6000. She arrived almost an hour later, and is a very different person in life. She told me its because of her special camera. Now I completely lost my faith for the pictures. I didn't send her back right away as it is my last night so I want to try an overnight service. After some conversation and hugging, she undressed both of us and then she asked me for the money. Recalled the advice from this board so I told her she will have her money in the morning, but she refused. I don't like her face / body either so I decided to send her back which I had to pay 1000 bahts.[/QUOTE]OMG man! You are very unlucky with freelancers. You did the right thing to not pay her in advance and send her back home with "taxi money". My advice is to always start with ST then turn ST in LT if you have a good feeling with her. Have a videocall before meeting help for check if the girl look like the photos.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1997540]Had that happening to me last time in CH, was probably a few drinks too far gone to notice until I paid up. Harassed by numerous waitresses pushing for drinks throughout the evening, mamasan pushing for tips as I BF'd the girl. And then was harassed for a 500 bht cover by the doorman as I LEFT the place. WTF?[/QUOTE]Why do guys on here continue to support Crazy House and its tourist tactics? It's not like the girls are anything special lookswise.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1997556]Why do guys on here continue to support Crazy House and its tourist tactics? It's not like the girls are anything special lookswise.[/QUOTE] First, the coke double drink thing has never happened to me in CH. Now if I am buying a couple rounds of Tequilas for one of my regular CH girls, I have two, and we are fooling around in the bar as a prelude to the rest of the evening, and she asks me if she can have a coke; I buy her a coke. I buy one for myself too by the way, a diet coke, since I have to watch my calories, because drinking tequila makes you thirsty and you can get dehydrated quite easily. We don't want no hangovers. But I think I am talking about something totally different than what a couple of other BM's are reporting.
Second, like even in the hottest Go Go's in Pattaya, it is still all about the top 10%. And believe me, CH has several girls on the roster that are very hot. The hot ones may only account for a small portion of the total number of girls and they may not be there every night, or they may get barfined early, but when they are in attendance, it is worth being there.
So, CH has been my favorite bar for a couple of years and as of my last visit because of the above, but mainly because I have a couple of repeat girls working there that I am quite fond of and whom never let me down. I will be seeing both of them on my 2nd night in town and I am bringing presents! 555.
Lastly, everybody treats me really good at CH. Nobody tries to play any tricks on me. Maybe it's because I am member. LOL. Fat waitress, my favorite waitress, knows exactly where I like to sit and what I like to drink before my girls arrive. She never fails to make sure I have everything I want and the mamasan and I get along really well too. I also like the atmosphere in CH and of course the nudity. I know a lot has changed since I was last in BKK in late April 2016, so I am looking forward to checking out some of the new Go Go's like Twister. But if CH has fallen, I will report it honestly. You can bet on that.
Now all that said, I will spend my 1st night back in town with Mini, my long time ex-Baccara gal. She is going to be 32 this March. OMG! I have known her since 2010. So, I know in advance I will be popping for her big all night birthday party at Tawan Daeng ('Red Sun' Disco) as I always do. Good Times are a coming!
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1997568]First, the coke double drink thing has never happened to me in CH. Now if I am buying a couple rounds of Tequilas for one of my regular CH girls, I have two, and we are fooling around in the bar as a prelude to the rest of the evening, and she asks me if she can have a coke; I buy her a coke. I buy one for myself too by the way, a diet coke, since I have to watch my calories, because drinking tequila makes you thirsty and you can get dehydrated quite easily. We don't want no hangovers. But I think I am talking about something totally different than what a couple of other BM's are reporting.
Second, like even in the hottest Go Go's in Pattaya, it is still all about the top 10%. And believe me, CH has several girls on the roster that are very hot. The hot ones may only account for a small portion of the total number of girls and they may not be there every night, or they may get barfined early, but when they are in attendance, it is worth being there.
So, CH has been my favorite bar for a couple of years and as of my last visit because of the above, but mainly because I have a couple of repeat girls working there that I am quite fond of and whom never let me down. I will be seeing both of them on my 2nd night in town and I am bringing presents! 555.
Lastly, everybody treats me really good at CH. Nobody tries to play any tricks on me. Maybe it's because I am member. LOL. Fat waitress, my favorite waitress, knows exactly where I like to sit and what I like to drink before my girls arrive. She never fails to make sure I have everything I want and the mamasan and I get along really well too. I also like the atmosphere in CH and of course the nudity. I know a lot has changed since I was last in BKK in late April 2016, so I am looking forward to checking out some of the new Go Go's like Twister. But if CH has fallen, I will report it honestly. You can bet on that.
Now all that said, I will spend my 1st night back in town with Mini, my long time ex-Baccara gal. She is going to be 32 this March. OMG! I have known her since 2010. So, I know in advance I will be popping for her big all night birthday party at Tawan Daeng ('Red Sun' Disco) as I always do. Good Times are a coming![/QUOTE]Natty, I only started to notice the tequila and coke (double Lady Drink) scam happening in CH for the past few months, which would be after your last visit. Although there were other Lady Drink hustles and heavy Lady Drink-buying pressure going on in CH before the double drink scam trend started, I think that particular one is somewhat new for them. Of course, if you went in tonight and sat with girls who already know you, know your style, know you are apt to be generous with Lady Drink purchases anyway, they might not bother pulling the double Lady Drink scam on you.
But my bet is if you walked into CH tonight and found yourself with a brand new never before met lady on your lap, her first drink order would be a crafty "tequila and coke, you ok?" request, which means two drinks at two full Lady Drink prices, not one tequila with coke mixed into it drink. However, by the time you return to Bkk, who knows, maybe CH will have changed to a different Lady Drink hustle / pressure tactic.
[QUOTE=Oterri;1997383]I was wondering if anyone knows about any sim prepaid plan that can work in neighboring countries such as Cambodia, Malaysia etc. Won't mind if there are roaming charges. Better to have something than buy from each country separately.
If you know of any company in Thailand that sells something like this please share.[/QUOTE]"Any" will do.
Just need to make sure you leave thsilsjd with sufficient credit or have a friend in thuslsnd that can remote add credit to your number.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1997581]Although there were other Lady Drink hustles [/QUOTE]I used to run tabs but after several close calls, I decided to always settle each round. I am also not averse to asking for drink prices beforehand as some of the drink price can vary a lot. I had one bar quote a price of USD70 for a Long Island Ice Tea. I cancelled the order. Some of the people try to make you feel poor or a cheap charlie (a very common sales tactic in many marketing fields) but I don't let it bother me. I am secure in the knowledge of my purchasing power and financial situation.
What other Lady Drink hustles have you come across?
[QUOTE=ChristianG;1997551]OMG man! You are very unlucky with freelancers. You did the right thing to not pay her in advance and send her back home with "taxi money". My advice is to always start with ST then turn ST in LT if you have a good feeling with her. Have a videocall before meeting help for check if the girl look like the photos.[/QUOTE]Online freelancer is hard to have conversation and ask for videos. I did ask for videos sometimes but rarely received any response. Sometimes it takes hours to receive a response, guess the girl just check her account every a few hours so not very efficient. Probably its better to go thermae, spasso.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1997568]First, the coke double drink thing has never happened to me in CH. Now if I am buying a couple rounds of Tequilas for one of my regular CH girls, I have two, and we are fooling around in the bar as a prelude to the rest of the evening, and she asks me if she can have a coke; I buy her a coke. I buy one for myself too by the way, a diet coke, since I have to watch my calories, because drinking tequila makes you thirsty and you can get dehydrated quite easily. We don't want no hangovers. But I think I am talking about something totally different than what a couple of other BM's are reporting.
Second, like even in the hottest Go Go's in Pattaya, it is still all about the top 10%. And believe me, CH has several girls on the roster that are very hot. The hot ones may only account for a small portion of the total number of girls and they may not be there every night, or they may get barfined early, but when they are in attendance, it is worth being there.
So, CH has been my favorite bar for a couple of years and as of my last visit because of the above, but mainly because I have a couple of repeat girls working there that I am quite fond of and whom never let me down. I will be seeing both of them on my 2nd night in town and I am bringing presents! 555.
Lastly, everybody treats me really good at CH. Nobody tries to play any tricks on me. Maybe it's because I am member. LOL. Fat waitress, my favorite waitress, knows exactly where I like to sit and what I like to drink before my girls arrive...[/QUOTE]My experience with CH is pretty positive too. No drink scam. Girl plays with you for 10-15 minutes for one drink and let you basically do anything with their naked body. One even let me played her body without a drink when I say I like her. Other bars are not that friendly including bacarra and some bars in Nana. Again my experience is limited but out of 5-6 bars I scouted, CH has the best service for me.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1997581]Natty, I only started to notice the tequila and coke (double Lady Drink) scam happening in CH for the past few months, which would be after your last visit. Although there were other Lady Drink hustles and heavy Lady Drink-buying pressure going on in CH before the double drink scam trend started, I think that particular one is somewhat new for them. Of course, if you went in tonight and sat with girls who already know you, know your style, know you are apt to be generous with Lady Drink purchases anyway, they might not bother pulling the double Lady Drink scam on you.
But my bet is if you walked into CH tonight and found yourself with a brand new never before met lady on your lap, her first drink order would be a crafty "tequila and coke, you ok?" request, which means two drinks at two full Lady Drink prices, not one tequila with coke mixed into it drink. However, by the time you return to Bkk, who knows, maybe CH will have changed to a different Lady Drink hustle / pressure tactic.[/QUOTE]I feel the opposite way actually. In other bars once you said ok the lady will order the drink for herself before you can see the bill, but in CH the waitress / mamasan will double check with you and even show you the cost before they get the drink for the girl. The drink does cost more, 300+ I think, but I don't feel being scammed.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1997604]I feel the opposite way actually. In other bars once you said ok the lady will order the drink for herself before you can see the bill, but in CH the waitress / mamasan will double check with you and even show you the cost before they get the drink for the girl. The drink does cost more, 300+ I think, but I don't feel being scammed.[/QUOTE]In other bars the lady will order the drink for herself before you can see the bill. That is true. But if I am new to a bar, I ask the price of whatever she orders. My first time at Crazy House, the girl ordered a tequila coke. I asked the price and the waitress even showed me the price list. But that price list does not have the two together. It has them listed separately. They made no mention that I was going to be charged for two drinks. It's a scam, no doubt about it. As far as I know, no other bar does that. I have never been charged over 300 baht at any bar in Thailand for a lady drink other than Crazy House. It happened the first time, but I haven't allowed it to happen again since. Even though they will try it every time. I would rather buy one drink and give the girl 100 baht tip for taking care of me while we sit down than buy 2 drinks on first meeting.
Fortunately, I have since found that one of the old waitresses I knew from another bar works there now. She will ensure that I get a nice girl and that there are no double drink orders. I do buy that waitress drinks as well, but at least I know what I am getting into when I do it. She's a lot more helpful than the mamasans at finding a good girl for me. Sometimes she pulls out little stunners that I hadn't even seen dancing. She's a gem.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1997604]I feel the opposite way actually. In other bars once you said ok the lady will order the drink for herself before you can see the bill, but in CH the waitress / mamasan will double check with you and even show you the cost before they get the drink for the girl. The drink does cost more, 300+ I think, but I don't feel being scammed.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I've bought a lot of Lady Drinks in a lot of Bkk go-go bars over the years and I don't recall a server ever double checking with me on the price of a Lady Drink or voluntarily informing me what the price of a Lady Drink was going to be by stating it verbally or showing me a menu with the prices on it, least of all Crazy House. I have had the server at CH ask if I indeed wanted to buy the girl a drink, of course. But never double checking to make sure I knew and understood the cost of what I was buying beforehand.
If I asked, sure, they would tell me or show me a menu with the prices on it. But not double check to make sure I knew the one Lady Drink the girl just ordered would cost me, say, 180 baht or that the two Lady Drinks the girl just ordered would cost me 300 baht without my asking.
Hi guys,
I'm making my way through the threads to get a feel of what I can expect. I have to say the recent prices are a bit discouraging. A friend recently visited over the CNY holidays, quoted the same bars mentioned in the posts but claimed the rates were around 1800-2200 max. I'm wondering if there might be some double standard with the girls pricing westerners vs asian patrons?
To my actual question, as a solo traveler I'll be traveling around doing touristy stuff with a high end camera most of the day and I might go straight into the bars or BJ bars afterwards if I can't be bothered to take it back to the hotel. It will be in a backpack, not displayed openly but I'm wondering if I would be taking additional risks doing this. I'm not sure I'm comfortable leaving it at a hotel either.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;1997742]Interesting. I've bought a lot of Lady Drinks in a lot of Bkk go-go bars over the years and I don't recall a server ever double checking with me on the price of a Lady Drink or voluntarily informing me what the price of a Lady Drink was going to be by stating it verbally or showing me a menu with the prices on it, least of all Crazy House. I have had the server at CH ask if I indeed wanted to buy the girl a drink, of course. But never double checking to make sure I knew and understood the cost of what I was buying beforehand.
If I asked, sure, they would tell me or show me a menu with the prices on it. But not double check to make sure I knew the one Lady Drink the girl just ordered would cost me, say, 180 baht or that the two Lady Drinks the girl just ordered would cost me 300 baht without my asking.[/QUOTE]I can share my only experience on CH, which is the first time I visited CH the only time so far. When I agree to buy the girl a lady drink who was with me, the Mamasan did came over to confirm with me, but did not show me the price. I bought one lady drink and one for me and the bill come to 500 be, was told LD for 330 and my for 170.
Not sure whether it's a rookie mistake or not when I read all comments about girls asking for example a tequila coke instead of one drink only.
In fact I had the same issue when I went for the first time in CH. Since then I ask the girl what she wants to drink and I order the drink instead of her ordering her own drink. Worked for me.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;1997825]When I agree to buy the girl a lady drink... was told LD for 330 and my for 170.[/QUOTE]A Lady Drink, LD, is often a nondescript drink (with some sweet mix), that cost an arm and a leg. Meant to generate drink commissions for the girl. Tequila and Coke are regular separate drinks meant to be confused with Rum and Coke, which are meant to be mixed together (like Gin and Tonic). I think a LD and a Tequila and Coke 2 drink order might cost the same. Tequila and margarita are usually expensive and what the girls order. I am not a bartender but I think they are just taking advantage of ignorance and fear of appearing like a cheap charlie.
The problem is girls use the LD as a gauge to guys generosity / desperation and not his financial acumen. The interesting thing is that some FL regular girls actually are astute enough to tell me not to buy them drinks. They would rather take a direct donation later. It is different with bar girls because many have a drink minimum target.
[QUOTE=Goons;1997744]
To my actual question, as a solo traveler I'll be traveling around doing touristy stuff with a high end camera most of the day.[/QUOTE]I've never felt unsafe in Bangkok or Pattaya, but you are prudent to take precautions, particularly keeping the bag within sight at all times. The greater likelihood might be that you'd forget your bag, leaving it behind after being left lightheaded after a session. You leave it behind, and there is at least an 80 percent probability that nobody knows nothin' once you return to fetch it. And unless you've got a monster lens, many of the safes in the hotels I've stayed in were relatively spacious (fit laptops).
[QUOTE=Wimble;1997840]A Lady Drink, LD, is often a nondescript drink (with some sweet mix), that cost an arm and a leg. Meant to generate drink commissions for the girl. Tequila and Coke are regular separate drinks meant to be confused with Rum and Coke, which are meant to be mixed together (like Gin and Tonic). I think a LD and a Tequila and Coke 2 drink order might cost the same. Tequila and margarita are usually expensive and what the girls order. I am not a bartender but I think they are just taking advantage of ignorance and fear of appearing like a cheap charlie.
The problem is girls use the LD as a gauge to guys generosity / desperation and not his financial acumen. The interesting thing is that some FL regular girls actually are astute enough to tell me not to buy them drinks. They would rather take a direct donation later. It is different with bar girls because many have a drink minimum target.[/QUOTE]The question is how do you separate the drink for the lady from the ladydrink. I think what happen was the girl asked me to buy a drink for her and I agreed. I did not understand what she said to the bartender. The mamas an came to me and said to me "do you want to buy a drink for her" I said yes. Then when the bill came, it was 330 for her and 17 o for me, a ching beer.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;1997893]The question is how do you separate the drink for the lady from the ladydrink.[/QUOTE]IMHO, you can't. It is the business model of hostess establishments. You can buy her all the beer you want but she will usually not get any credit or commission and you will not get any honey. I probably weigh 2-3 times more than the girls and I cannot and do not want to drink more that 6 drinks a night. Unless she is Irish, most girls cannot drink me under the table. I think they need to hustle more than 3 drinks a night.
I don't know the rules or models a establishment uses. I just ask the ladies what they want and how much it will cost me. Very crude but I never say that they are hoes nor treat them as such. I am happy with my contribution and they are happy because they got what they wanted. I start collecting the rewards from then on.
The funny thing is that I had girls ask for a drink and actually tell me that it is a regular drink and cost the same as mine. I also had pros buy me a drink after I buy them a drink and tell them that I am just chilling and not looking for company. Funny world. But these were not at hostess bars.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;1997893]The question is [/QUOTE]FWIW, I am no expert. Some posters claim to know the management of these establishments and will have more insight. I am just a consumer like you looking through the window.
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1997419]My best experience is in lord palace, girl quality and service are better than gogo bar (for me), and free lancer is now 100% failure (2 out of 2). Do I want to come back, yes, but probably after trying out Europe and south america.[/QUOTE]Hi there. Lord Palace has come up now and again as a top-notch soapy (If you wouldn't mind, could you scratch out a couple lines to explain the setup (is this a fishbowl, or do the girls roam around, as it's been billed as a "gentlemen's club," whatever that may mean), and the pricing? Thanks!
[QUOTE=Oterri;1997383]I was wondering if anyone knows about any sim prepaid plan that can work in neighboring countries such as Cambodia, Malaysia etc. Won't mind if there are roaming charges. Better to have something than buy from each country separately.
If you know of any company in Thailand that sells something like this please share.[/QUOTE]I have a AIS number for many years. When I arrive in Thailand I always buy (linked to that number) a data package for (I believe) 3 GB which costs for Apple around 400 THB per month (when I had a blackberry around 2 years ago the service was cheaper or the 3 GB was higher because of the email download structure of Blackberry.
Since around 1,5 years when I go to another country I buy a data package for abroad which AIS sells in different regions.
Cambodia, Malaysia or SG they sell 1 days, 3 days or 1 week (I believe 3 days for around 600 THB). When I go to China its for 3 days around 1. 400 THB.
Means I don't need to change SIM card and I fully online abroad. Activation I do when the gate on the airport is open and I now the plain is flying out soon (activation with *123*1#, not sure if t was this. When I buy the package in a AIS store I always store that info in my calender).
If I want to call or SMS from my Thai number abroad I have to top up a lot (before or at least in Thailand); that is still expensive so use Messenger / Skype or Line for calling.
Hope this helps.
Has anyone who is not member scored from here? Place looks full of hot university babes on YouTube.
[QUOTE=WildHawk;1997855]I've never felt unsafe in Bangkok or Pattaya, but you are prudent to take precautions, particularly keeping the bag within sight at all times. The greater likelihood might be that you'd forget your bag, leaving it behind after being left lightheaded after a session. You leave it behind, and there is at least an 80 percent probability that nobody knows nothin' once you return to fetch it. And unless you've got a monster lens, many of the safes in the hotels I've stayed in were relatively spacious (fit laptops).[/QUOTE]So taking a day-pack into one of these places wouldn't be totally out of place? Not sure what kind of hotel I can get for around 40 usd but I'd be more comfortable taking my gear with me than leaving it someplace. I'm not really into the bars but I'll give it a try. More to my taste would be the massage places and BJ bars. Not sure if it's safe taking a bag with me while I'm getting serviced, other places might not allow it or ask you to leave it at a locker which I would not be comfortable with either.
BTW, is it OK to have a camera and take pictures openly while walking up and down Soi Cowboy and such places? There are enough pics online of these areas so I'm assuming it's OK but I wouldn't want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] anyone off.
I was in CH very briefly, in October. Had one lady give me a lap dance like show. After a few minutes asked for a drink, said "tequilla coke?" So I just immediately smiled, indicating that I was onto her plan, shook me head, and just used hand language to signify 1 drink. So she got her 1 drink and no scams or any other attempts to fleece me. Place overall wasn't worth, even if they had fair business practices. Almost anytime I have been there, it's average to below average looking women every time. I hear sometimes there are stunners there, but if there are the place is probably packed anyway. Of course, this is pretty much soi cowboy for me in general, can often never find stunners / quality / my-type there. A soapy is always, baht for baht, way better than a gogo. Anyway, just my 2 cents on where my baht prefers to go for quality. For convenience / short-notice I go to oillies since they are closer.
[QUOTE=WildHawk;1997991]Hi there. Lord Palace has come up now and again as a top-notch soapy (If you wouldn't mind, could you scratch out a couple lines to explain the setup (is this a fishbowl, or do the girls roam around, as it's been billed as a "gentlemen's club," whatever that may mean), and the pricing? Thanks![/QUOTE]Pleasure to help. It's not a Gclub you don't have to buy membership or wine. I ordered water every time for 60 baht + some tips, then you sit in one of the chairs watching girls sitting on the center stage. There are three rows and most girls sit on the first two rows and each row is a circle. All the 4 soapies I had been have similar setup no glass between girls and customers. The girls can also see you but you can sit in a darker area, which makes me slightly embarrassing at the beginning. I usually go up to the girl I sided at the distance to talk and make sure I like her look and personality. You can ask them to come and sit with you and chat for a while without buying drink. Lord mamasan is not particularly helpful but you can still get a lot of info from them. Mamasan at other soapies I went are actually more helpful. Another thing is diff girls have diff price and you can tell from their letter like o is 4.9 k, and m is 5.3 k. They have models for up to 8-9 k but quality is not necessarily much better than 5 k girls.
[QUOTE=Goons;1998252]So taking a day-pack into one of these places wouldn't be totally out of place? Not sure what kind of hotel I can get for around 40 usd but I'd be more comfortable taking my gear with me than leaving it someplace. I'm not really into the bars but I'll give it a try. More to my taste would be the massage places and BJ bars. Not sure if it's safe taking a bag with me while I'm getting serviced, other places might not allow it or ask you to leave it at a locker which I would not be comfortable with either.
BTW, is it OK to have a camera and take pictures openly while walking up and down Soi Cowboy and such places? There are enough pics online of these areas so I'm assuming it's OK but I wouldn't want to [/QUOTE]Unlike many, I have a day pack because I am out for the day. I had a couple places that will require you to check the bag; I refuse and walk. The problem is that it is not safe to keep your valuables in your bag and having too many things in your pockets reduces the value of a lap dance. In massage places, just keep you bags with you. In some upmarket places in other countries, there are attendants in changing rooms with security bracelets as it takes 2 to open your locker. Safer but anything can be defeated.
I don't like my picture taken. Shit happens. Like the guy that tired to eat a girl last year in Pattaya.
I always have non-TSA combination locks for my bags. It is basically useless. A safe in room is better or maybe even downstairs. As most travelers will tell you, leave your valuables at home and travel light. I don't stay in budget hotels so I am not sure how safe they are. I have traveled for decades and have never had a major problem with room security. Most the problems I hear about theft are actually theft by fellow travelers.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;1998274] Of course, this is pretty much soi cowboy for me in general, can often never find stunners / quality / my-type there. A soapy is always, baht for baht, way better than a gogo. Anyway, just my 2 cents on where my baht prefers to go for quality. For convenience / short-notice I go to oillies since they are closer.[/QUOTE]There may well have not been any stunners in CH of your type for a while. Indeed no stunners of my type either which is very well known. What is your type? Is it like Baccara girls?
[QUOTE=WildHawk;1997991]Hi there. Lord Palace has come up now and again as a top-notch soapy (If you wouldn't mind, could you scratch out a couple lines to explain the setup (is this a fishbowl, or do the girls roam around, as it's been billed as a "gentlemen's club," whatever that may mean), and the pricing? Thanks![/QUOTE]As soon as you enter through the main door, the whole setup is on your left. The girls don't sit behind a glass like in a typical fishbowl but directly in front of the chairs about 15-20 feet away. They don't roam around (at least when I was there) but sit on a semi-circular step seating arrangement and the sideline girls were almost hidden away behind them. A minder seats you, waits for you to make your choice and the girl leads you into a corridor behind where the rooms are located where you are "booked in". The rest is the typical soapy procedure. Pricing is structured around different grades of girls; I think I paid 4500 baht for or so for my choice the last time I was there.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1998339]There may well have not been any stunners in CH of your type for a while. Indeed no stunners of my type either which is very well known. What is your type? Is it like Baccara girls?[/QUOTE]A mix of fit and feminine, so can't be skinny (in the legs / butt) or too fat. Can be 21-35, but some fitness is important. No skinny legs / butt, that's a deal breaker. Natural breasts of an above average (for thai) size, or breast implements are perfectly ok, and even preferable if they contour with their body (not too large). Don't care about skin color (of Thai women). Height is not at all a factor as even the most petite women can be fit / feminine. I usually end up with a petite woman if it's a gogo but a taller woman if it's a soapy. The Issan villagae girl look is perfectly fine, provided she is fit and above average facial beauty. I usually see what I like at Shark if I am on soi cowboy. But in a side by side comparion, the taller soapy girls I find much more attractive and cost about the same amount (both in the ballpark of 3500 baht).
[QUOTE=WildHawk;1997991]Hi there. Lord Palace has come up now and again as a top-notch soapy (If you wouldn't mind, could you scratch out a couple lines to explain the setup (is this a fishbowl, or do the girls roam around, as it's been billed as a "gentlemen's club," whatever that may mean), and the pricing? Thanks![/QUOTE]Definitely one of the best. Very classy! Great rooms, they have live entertainment in the lounge. Girls sit.
On sofas in a circle not in a fish bowl so you can talk to them. Cost 5,000 baht and up for 90 minutes but well.
Worth it. Great looking women. 2 thumbs up I always make time to stop at least for one session when in BKK.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;1998354]A mix of fit and feminine, so can't be skinny (in the legs / butt) or too fat. Can be 21-35, but some fitness is important. No skinny legs / butt, that's a deal breaker. Natural breasts of an above average (for thai) size, or breast implements are perfectly ok, and even preferable if they contour with their body (not too large). Don't care about skin color (of Thai women). Height is not at all a factor as even the most petite women can be fit / feminine. I usually end up with a petite woman if it's a gogo but a taller woman if it's a soapy. The Issan villagae girl look is perfectly fine, provided she is fit and above average facial beauty. I usually see what I like at Shark if I am on soi cowboy. But in a side by side comparion, the taller soapy girls I find much more attractive and cost about the same amount (both in the ballpark of 3500 baht).[/QUOTE]That explains it. I love slim legs. Thick thighs is a huge turn off for me. CH specialises in slim to skinny girls. Tits are below average size since only 10% of girls had sillies at last visit. Used to have some girls with big naturals but did not see that recently.
I thinkthe thicker type girls have been relegated to the upstairs. Downstairs all skinny types.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1998405]That explains it. I love slim legs. Thick thighs is a huge turn off for me. CH specialises in slim to skinny girls. Tits are below average size since only 10% of girls had sillies at last visit. Used to have some girls with big naturals but did not see that recently.
I thinkthe thicker type girls have been relegated to the upstairs. Downstairs all skinny types.[/QUOTE]Have a Thai friend who is very athletic and works out. She is in better shape than I. She has thicker legs but like the rest of her body, she is rock solid. Even has a six pack. And no. This one is natural female. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1998405]That explains it. I love slim legs. Thick thighs is a huge turn off for me. CH specialises in slim to skinny girls. Tits are below average size since only 10% of girls had sillies at last visit. Used to have some girls with big naturals but did not see that recently.
I thinkthe thicker type girls have been relegated to the upstairs. Downstairs all skinny types.[/QUOTE]We would be a good team. We would never want each other's girl. I love thick legs, big tits and a big ass. Those skinny girls do little for me.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1998107]Has anyone who is not member scored from here? Place looks full of hot university babes on YouTube.[/QUOTE]Yes but it's not cheap. Be prepared to spend a total of 10-12 k Baht in an evening. 5-6 K baht inside with bottle service and the ladies time and another 5-6 K baht short time afterwards. However, not every girl is available for take out so its best to speak to the momason before choosing to get a recommendation but even then it's not 100%. G clubs are not set up for the ladies to go out with the customers but if you play your cards right then you will have some luck. It's best to go with a friend and share the cost of the bottle or bottles and then you can pay for your ladies time to drink with you and hopefully she will go out with you at the end of the night. It's nothing like the typical bar so be prepared to see tons of rich Thais. Also, why did you not read the forum. There is even a user blog with plenty of information on g clubs, including the Pimp. RTFF!
They also have a line official account that you can subscribe to from Facebook. If you do that then they will send you all their promotions almost daily. Often good bottle promotions to help get the customers in and then they get you for paying for the girls time. You choose a package of time that ranges from 1000 baht up and then you can add additional hours for about 500 Baht for each additional hour. Very rarely you will be able to get in without buying a bottle. They start at 4,000 baht regular price but as I said, there are always bottle promotions and you can share the costs with a group. Just your lady you must pay for alone, as in her time to drink with you. Now RTFF for specific reviews on the Pimp!
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1998772]Yes but it's not cheap. Be prepared to spend a total of 10-12 k Baht in an evening. 5-6 K baht inside with bottle service and the ladies time and another 5-6 K baht short time afterwards. However, not every girl is available for take out so its best to speak to the momason before choosing to get a recommendation but even then it's not 100%. G clubs are not set up for the ladies to go out with the customers but if you play your cards right then you will have some luck. It's best to go with a friend and share the cost of the bottle or bottles and then you can pay for your ladies time to drink with you and hopefully she will go out with you at the end of the night. It's nothing like the typical bar so be prepared to see tons of rich Thais. Also, why did you not read the forum. There is even a user blog with plenty of information on g clubs, including the Pimp. RTFF!
They also have a line official account that you can subscribe to from Facebook. If you do that then they will send you all their promotions almost daily. Often good bottle promotions to help get the customers in and then they get you for paying for the girls time. You choose a package of time that ranges from 1000 baht up and then you can add additional hours for about 500 Baht for each additional hour. Very rarely you will be able to get in without buying a bottle. They start at 4,000 baht regular price but as I said, there are always bottle promotions and you can share the costs with a group. Just your lady you must pay for alone, as in her time to drink with you. Now RTFF for specific reviews on the Pimp![/QUOTE]Thanks, I had ignored user blogs from RTFFing. Lot of stunners on FB and YouTube. I will probably give a shout out to ISG guys before visiting any of them for sharing bottle or two. Now back to rtfffing the fuck out of bkk gclubs LOL.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;1998436]We would be a good team. We would never want each other's girl. I love thick legs, big tits and a big ass. Those skinny girls do little for me.[/QUOTE]Hang on now, your raunchy girl heavily pierced and heavily decorated is in the skinny group boosted by implants. Plenty of gap and not big ass. Still not my type. LOL. Too much jaw for me.
The board has sprung alive with responses to my query about Lord Palace. Some earlier posts made it seem less-accessible to farang, but that is apparently not the case, and the pricing structure seems to be within the realm of the doable, and I plan to check it out in a couple weeks. Thanks to all for the intel.
[QUOTE=WildHawk;1998855]The board has sprung alive with responses to my query about Lord Palace. Some earlier posts made it seem less-accessible to farang, but that is apparently not the case, and the pricing structure seems to be within the realm of the doable, and I plan to check it out in a couple weeks. Thanks to all for the intel.[/QUOTE]Lords palace is as open to farang as Soi Cowboy or Nana. You can't avoid girls with preference to Japanese men anywhere in LOS nowadays. Try and pick the girl who is smiling at you or is not avoiding eye contact. Not very difficult to do that I would say.
I found the place to be very bit worth the money I paid. Must try if you don't mind spending 5 to 10 k for a ST.
Great visit and now planning my next visit. I was wondering if anyone had any luck finding any FL women who were East Indian / Indian. I thought it was strange that I could easily find E. European stunners in Bangkok and even some see C. American hotties. With all of those custom suit businesses and an obviously large Indian population, why the hell I couldn't find any Indian freelancers. I did go to the Nana Indian restaurant / nightclub and checked out the show which involved men making it rain (throwing cash literally on stage for the dancers) but non were available for BFing.
Any information including donations (is it less then what a Thai girl would expect) would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=OrangeCrust;1998921]Great visit and now planning my next visit. I was wondering if anyone had any luck finding any FL women who were East Indian / Indian.[/QUOTE]Mission difficult. There is a non-Thai FL / SW scene in front of the Grace Hotel and a bit down Soi 3 towards Sukhumvit. Mostly Arabic some African but I believe I have seen the occasional lady with a bindi. Don't expect much in the looks department (mostly chubby) but there seems to be an occasional acceptable option.
Other long shots: you can also check Craigslist, Backpage, and this thread for other ideas: [URL]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3187-Foreign-Sex-Workers-in-Thailand[/URL].
SL.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1998938]I believe I have seen the occasional lady with a bindi. Don't expect much in the looks department (mostly chubby) but there seems to be an occasional acceptable option[/QUOTE]Read a recent article that south Asians actually like their women rotund and some women take illegal meds for that. Could be fake news so please correct me if I am off base.
Hi everyone,
I am just stepping into the amazing world of punting. This forum has taught me a lot and now I need help from you guys.
I will be spending two days in Bangkok and I plan to experience as much as possible the Sin city has to offer. I have compiled a list of things I want to do and it will be great if you guys can give me recommendations.
1. Soapie.
2. Threesome (Heard of Eden Club but apparently it's shit nowadays).
3. Kinky massage for example prostate massage etc.
4. go go bars, Crazy house? Spankys?
5. Blowjob Bar (wood bar).
Am I missing something?
Thank you all for your help.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1998808]Hang on now, your raunchy girl heavily pierced and heavily decorated is in the skinny group boosted by implants. Plenty of gap and not big ass. Still not my type. LOL. Too much jaw for me.[/QUOTE]Her tits are huge! And her pussy is pretty meaty. There are a lot skinnier girls than her for sure. There is no way I would categorize her as skinny. But I do agree that her legs and ass and not huge.
[QUOTE=OrangeCrust;1998921]Great visit and now planning my next visit. I was wondering if anyone had any luck finding any FL women who were East Indian / Indian. I thought it was strange that I could easily find E. European stunners in Bangkok and even some see C. American hotties. With all of those custom suit businesses and an obviously large Indian population, why the hell I couldn't find any Indian freelancers. I did go to the Nana Indian restaurant / nightclub and checked out the show which involved men making it rain (throwing cash literally on stage for the dancers) but non were available for BFing.
Any information including donations (is it less then what a Thai girl would expect) would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Don't know why you are looking for Indian FLs in BKK. There are a few available but the quality and service is bad. A friend of mine took one on soi-5 and was thoroughly disappointed. In any case Indian girls are not sexually liberated like Thai girls and consider sex to be a sin. However if you want good Indian FLs, go to Delhi, Mumbai or Bangalore. Why bother to hunt for a starfish in an ocean full of exotic Thai fish?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;1999023]Her tits are huge! And her pussy is pretty meaty. There are a lot skinnier girls than her for sure. There is no way I would categorize her as skinny. But I do agree that her legs and ass and not huge.[/QUOTE]Slim then, tits are bot huge but enhanced good job. A little padding on pussy makes the ride more comfortable.
Folks,
New here and a quick question about rates between BKK and Koh Samui.
In BKK I have been quoted 2000ST and 3000 LT from a bar on Soi Cowboy. On Soi 4 I was offered 3000ST from a typical girl (7 or so but sweet), which felt steep in my experience, but doable.
In Chaweng Beach (Koh Samui) typically 2000ST and 3000 LT 500 BF. In Lamai it's typically 1000ST and 2000 LT. That has been my consistent experience?
Are those accurate prices?
I ask because I was recently quoted 3000ST and 4000 LT from a bar girl in Chaweng. She was a 7.5-8 face, sexy, older (30's?) but very much in shape. Felt like that price was quite for Koh Samui, in fact girls from the same place were regularly 2000ST and 3000 LT. Any comments on those rates? Am I mistaken that 3000ST and 4000 LT are way off? Or am I out of step with the times?
Thanks in advance.
Went to Soi Cowboy spotted a stunner, she gave me a great smile and went into the go go. Spent loads of time and drinks on her, I did have a wonderful time with her but her English was very bad so the verbal communication was not so good, but as the night went on got more and more into her and she was all over me, spoke to mumason about bar fining her but she didn't seem clear if I could or not, I did enjoy myself up to the point I wanted to take her but she only wanted a tip, what a let down, guess I was scammed, put it down to experience.
And so here we have a newbie who claims to have quotes from establishments both in Bangkok and Koh Samui but who apparently never took a girl. WTF. Hard to believe.
At least he did RTFF.
[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1999040]In any case Indian girls are not sexually liberated like Thai girls and consider sex to be a sin. [/QUOTE]FWIW, once out of India or the family's eyes, the girls can be quite a souped up sex machine. IMHO.
[QUOTE=Vittu;1999249]And so here we have a newbie who claims to have quotes from establishments both in Bangkok and Koh Samui but who apparently never took a girl. WTF. Hard to believe.
At least he did RTFF.[/QUOTE]Looks like he is trying to develop a very complicated pricing metrics. I just ask a couple at different locations, take an average and work with that. Takes less than half an hour in Koh Samui and 10 minutes in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1999092]Slim then, tits are bot huge but enhanced good job. A little padding on pussy makes the ride more comfortable.[/QUOTE]Just add one more criteria, slightly wider gap between the legs will make you easier to get access to the point.
Jb.
[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1999040]In any case Indian girls are not sexually liberated like Thai girls and consider sex to be a sin. However if you want good Indian FLs, go to Delhi, Mumbai or Bangalore. Why bother to hunt for a starfish in an ocean full of exotic Thai fish?[/QUOTE]True that about highly repressed sexuality amongst Indian female and they can't hold candle to Thai sweethearts in bed.
[QUOTE=Wimble;1999251]FWIW, once out of India or the family's eyes, the girls can be quite a souped up sex machine. IMHO.[/QUOTE]You would get that in US, UK. Plenty of liberated young Indian females in West, I knew one who was online escort in Dublin, Ireland. However those in Thailand are second, third generation Indian migrants living with family, husband etc. Most of the time husband also work in same bar, disco and has very strict vigilance over girls. So no point chasing deadfishes in LOS and you can experience starfish in US, UK.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;1999255]Just add one more criteria, slightly wider gap between the legs will make you easier to get access to the point.
Jb.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip LOL. I have never tried to fuck a girl with fat thighs. So don't know of any difficulties. Never had to work to find the pussy. Only had to deal with stiff legs scared of penetration types.
Would really scare me to go down on a girl with very powerful or big thighs.
[QUOTE=Vittu;1999249]And so here we have a newbie who claims to have quotes from establishments both in Bangkok and Koh Samui but who apparently never took a girl. WTF. Hard to believe.
At least he did RTFF.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to my post? Where did it say I never took a girl? I have taken girls, that's how I got the numbers.
Just curious about if 3000ST and 4000 LT are reasonable or off the mark.
[QUOTE=WaveLength;1999423]Just curious about if 3000ST and 4000 LT are reasonable or off the mark.[/QUOTE]You say it in your first post. Some girls will ask for 2000ST and others for 3000ST. You're the only one that can judge if it's a reasonable price or not. All depends on the size of your wallet and the service you will receive in exchange.
In my opinion 3000ST is too much, even 2000ST is a lot unless you negotiate 2 pops for the short time.
[QUOTE=WaveLength;1999423]Are you referring to my post? Where did it say I never took a girl? I have taken girls, that's how I got the numbers.
Just curious about if 3000ST and 4000 LT are reasonable or off the mark.[/QUOTE]If you RTFF, you would know that answer.
Newbie nonsense.
[QUOTE=CabDriver;1999212]Went to Soi Cowboy spotted a stunner, she gave me a great smile and went into the go go. Spent loads of time and drinks on her, I did have a wonderful time with her but her English was very bad so the verbal communication was not so good, but as the night went on got more and more into her and she was all over me, spoke to mumason about bar fining her but she didn't seem clear if I could or not, I did enjoy myself up to the point I wanted to take her but she only wanted a tip, what a let down, guess I was scammed, put it down to experience.[/QUOTE]I think that's sort of the deal at Rio. They have a few super cute young looking girls who aren't really go-go dancers, but rather pull you in from the street (usually with a second girl) and have you buy shots for them and you and even the big waitress. 3 shots, 2 cokes, and a bottled water will cost you 1500 Baht. A second round 10 minutes later and you'll be at 3000 Baht.
Don't get me wrong, the right one's will sit there and play with your dick the entire time, basically jerking you off over your pants and even reach inside and grab it for a moment, sit on you and grind, let you rub them over their clothes, make out with you for 100 Baht, etc. , but they're not interested in ST or LT usually. But they also don't much expect a tip afterwards. Their job is to sell drinks, and they must get a cut.
If you have deep pockets, and just want to have some non-actual sex fun (which my GF doesn't mind me doing), they have a few cuties there. 'Pop' is a little sweetheart who is fun to party with.
But yeah. To a monger. This place is just a scam.
I was in Crazy House last night and really disappointed with the overall selection, but I saw an amazing girl looking bored with one of the dumb college guys not wanting to buy her a drink. So. Hey, I'll buy you a drink. About 5'6 in heels, nice natural be+ boobs, small waist, perfect rounded ass, shaved pussy. Naked at all times.
She was #53 and once I got her a drink, she was sensual and on me. Couldn't take out last night, so I just enjoyed her in the club, but man oh man.
Anyone know of this girl?
[QUOTE=WaveLength;1999423]
Just curious about if 3000ST and 4000 LT are reasonable or off the mark.[/QUOTE]For a girl from an agogo club, my LT target is between 3000 and 4000 baht (plus barfine). For a lady from a beerbar, I'd discount that by at least 1000 baht.
Your prices are within a resonable margin of being OK.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1999283]Thanks for the tip LOL. I have never tried to fuck a girl with fat thighs. So don't know of any difficulties. Never had to work to find the pussy. Only had to deal with stiff legs scared of penetration types.
Would really scare me to go down on a girl with very powerful or big thighs.[/QUOTE]Last year I attended a gangbang party in Belgium and there was a big Dutch lady offering her services. Easily the best cock sucker I met for a long time. She had large but firm tits with nice nipples to play with. All quite different from the Thai girls I usually prefer, but change of style keeps us happy.
Anyhow, after I gave her yummy pussy a good licking, I tried to fuck her in missionary and noticed that due to her big thighs, I only could get the tip of my cock in her. Doggy-style was even worse because of her phat ass. So I had to turn her around again and fuck her tits, which was quite enjoyable. She's a very sexy and horny lady and not fat at all, just strongly built. But all the same, out of my league. I will have to grow a few more inches to do her properly. Or perhaps, stick with my Thai cuties. We are more compatible size-wise. LOL.
I only had 8 days to play. I figured what better way to celebrate my last 40's birthday than Thailand. I went with a different approach the tinderville tactics. I put a week or so of time lining up a 8 prospects before I had arrived. I was hoping to hook up for non pro fun. I made my decision after meeting girls 2&3 two bi spinners both 5 ft 85-90'ers, 19 Fah &20 Noon years old. They were down for a trip to Koh Samui. I booked flights 4600 b each rt, they went home to pack and came back to spend night at hotel. Had killer play session getting to know my two new friends. I have thing for tiny spinners. I had brought a few XS dresses and micro bikinis to give as gifts. They loved it and I enjoyed the modeling show. After the show I took my new fuck buddies out for a delicious dinner of my favorite cuisine and a few drinks, our tab came out to a whopping equivalent of about 22 usd. I had rented a sweet 1 br bungalow w pool walking distance to 4 epic beaches for 38 $ a night. We caught 730 flight and we settling into a place by 945 am. We spent 5 days there did the whole shroomy shake full moon party. Snorkeled and sup'd every day. Killer sup paddling there! Both girls were dtf anytime I wanted. We had wild afternoon on small beach we paddled to. Fah the 19 year old was into anal and so am I! So the 3 hole option was welcomed! Haha CIM, COF cia. Best birthday ever! The whole trip including rt from lax and I gave each girl $250 when we parted ways back in BKK was $2500.
I will definitely be heading back for another week of play with Fah & Noon. Next time I will have time for a week or so of debauchery in Pattaya. Perfect 50th celebration! Cheers.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1999928]Last year I attended a gangbang party in Belgium and there was a big Dutch lady offering her services. Easily the best cock sucker I met for a long time. She had large but firm tits with nice nipples to play with. All quite different from the Thai girls I usually prefer, but change of style keeps us happy.
Anyhow, after I gave her yummy pussy a good licking, I tried to fuck her in missionary and noticed that due to her big thighs, I only could get the tip of my cock in her. Doggy-style was even worse because of her phat ass. So I had to turn her around again and fuck her tits, which was quite enjoyable. She's a very sexy and horny lady and not fat at all, just strongly built. But all the same, out of my league. I will have to grow a few more inches to do her properly. Or perhaps, stick with my Thai cuties. We are more compatible size-wise. LOL.[/QUOTE]LMAO! Reminds me of the African girls I see. You need 10 inches to just get past the butt cheeks! Only leaves me with 2 inches to play with! LOL.
Great report and awesome birthday. My b-day is coming up in March and I'm heading to Thailand for a month. Bangkok, Phuket, and Ko Samui to to Ko Tao for some diving. Wondering if you could share some details [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;2000042]I only had 8 days to play. I figured what better way to celebrate my last 40's birthday than Thailand. I went with a different approach the tinderville tactics. I put a week or so of time lining up a 8 prospects before I had arrived. I was hoping to hook up for non pro fun. I made my decision after meeting girls 2&3 two bi spinners both 5 ft 85-90'ers, 19 Fah &20 Noon years old. They were down for a trip to Koh Samui. I booked flights 4600 b each rt, they went home to pack and came back to spend night at hotel. Had killer play session getting to know my two new friends. I have thing for tiny spinners. I had brought a few XS dresses and micro bikinis to give as gifts. They loved it and I enjoyed the modeling show. After the show I took my new fuck buddies out for a delicious dinner of my favorite cuisine and a few drinks, our tab came out to a whopping equivalent of about 22 usd. I had rented a sweet 1 br bungalow w pool walking distance to 4 epic beaches for 38 $ a night. We caught 730 flight and we settling into a place by 945 am. We spent 5 days there did the whole shroomy shake full moon party. Snorkeled and sup'd every day. Killer sup paddling there! Both girls were dtf anytime I wanted. We had wild afternoon on small beach we paddled to. Fah the 19 year old was into anal and so am I! So the 3 hole option was welcomed! Haha CIM, COF cia. Best birthday ever! The whole trip including rt from lax and I gave each girl $250 when we parted ways back in BKK was $2500.
I will definitely be heading back for another week of play with Fah & Noon. Next time I will have time for a week or so of debauchery in Pattaya. Perfect 50th celebration! Cheers.[/QUOTE][u][b]EDITOR's NOTE[/b][/u]: [blue]This report was edited or deleted because it was an attempt by the author to encourage members to [u]CONTACT HIM on ANOTHER WEBSITE[/u]. In the future, please refrain from posting requests for forum members to contact you on another website. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1999928]L*snip* I tried to fuck her in missionary and noticed that due to her big thighs, I only could get the tip of my cock in her. Doggy-style was even worse because of her phat ass. So I had to turn her around again and fuck her tits, which was quite enjoyable. She's a very sexy and horny lady and not fat at all, just strongly built. But all the same, out of my league. I will have to grow a few more inches to do her properly. Or perhaps, stick with my Thai cuties. We are more compatible size-wise. LOL.[/QUOTE]I about laughed my coffee accross the room. I had a very similar experience last week (not in Thailand, in south Asia) where a fat massage girl was bound and determined to give me a good fuck. I was horny enough from an extended trip to places with no pussy to give it a go. Anyway, missionary a problem, cowgirl completely out of the question. I was losing interest (and an erection.) when a somewhat oportunistic solution came to mind. I bent her over the bed and fucked her in doggie position, me standing up. Still a problem for deep penetration because of her "phat ass" (nice one!) but mission accomplished.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2000301]I about laughed my coffee accross the room. I had a very similar experience last week (not in Thailand, in south Asia) where a fat massage girl was bound and determined to give me a good fuck. I was horny enough from an extended trip to places with no pussy to give it a go. Anyway, missionary a problem, cowgirl completely out of the question. I was losing interest (and an erection.) when a somewhat oportunistic solution came to mind. I bent her over the bed and fucked her in doggie position, me standing up. Still a problem for deep penetration because of her "phat ass" (nice one!) but mission accomplished.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I did this gorgeous blonde Croatian bombshell called Pamela, face better than a young Pamela Anderson, body more ordinary, who was a little bit thick around the ass and thighs, in fact my buddies said she was too big for me. However she seemed really quite normal in doggy position, and overall my dream woman for the year (about 3 years back). Beautiful face, beautiful attitude, sent me to heaven. I guess she was only a bit thick though and not really in the fat ass league at all. DATY no problem. Never ever did a "fat" girl. I have tried very large heavy tits, but not on fat girls and not silicones.
My first trip to Thailand, I was shown around a bit by a buddy experienced in Thailand also learning Thai language (but he was more advanced than me). Fortunately my taste in Thai girls was what he referred to as bag of bones types LOL, as he went for very voluptuous types (fatties), mostly with ugly faces. We never ever desired the same Thai girl, so we went well together. LOL.
[QUOTE=HIGuy;2000157]Great report and awesome birthday. My b-day is coming up in March and I'm heading to Thailand for a month. Bangkok, Phuket, and Ko Samui to to Ko Tao for some diving. Wondering if you could share some details [/QUOTE]Tourists get murdered in Koh Tao. Beware of the Koh Tao police. Oh you are not Burmese, then maybe no problem, at least in terms of being scape goats.
Wandered in there last night around 11 pm on my way back from Tulip, just to check it out. Wow, love the vibe in there. Smaller than I thought it would be, and the women, hotter than I thought they would be, quite a few stunners IMO, mostly focused on younger (than me) and more handsome (than me) Asian customers. A guy got up and left as I was walking around the 1st floor stage so I hopped on one of the red stools. Waitress was quick to take my beer order but not pushy for 2nd. A very organized crew with service and tabs. Good positive sexual energy in the club. Loud, but not too loud. I was pleasantly surprised, flattered really, when one of my faves, #12 (amazing smile, she could model cosmetics) came over and hopped on my lap. Started rubbing my crotch immediately, then DFK while putting my hands on her natural be cup tits. Aggressive minx. After her lady drinks arrived she took me upstairs to one of the booths where it was darker, kept staring into me with that gorgeous smile. Wanted to bar fine her but was tired, travel day & had just been with Opor. Gave her a tip and a rain check, headed back to my hotel. Great place, will be back soon.
[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1999040]Don't know why you are looking for Indian FLs in BKK. There are a few available but the quality and service is bad. A friend of mine took one on soi-5 and was thoroughly disappointed. In any case Indian girls are not sexually liberated like Thai girls and consider sex to be a sin. However if you want good Indian FLs, go to Delhi, Mumbai or Bangalore. Why bother to hunt for a starfish in an ocean full of exotic Thai fish?[/QUOTE]I second this. Some of the girls in Delhi are really hot and they have what you call the desi look. They'll lack in service but if you treat them right you can make the most of that trip. It's cheap too.
Hi everyone,
I am just stepping into the amazing world of punting. This forum has taught me a lot and now I need help from you guys.
I will be spending two days in Bangkok and I plan to experience as much as possible the Sin city has to offer. I have compiled a list of things I want to do and it will be great if you guys can give me recommendations.
1. Soapie.
2. Threesome (Heard of Eden Club but apparently it's shit nowadays).
3. Kinky massage for example prostate massage etc.
4. go go bars, Crazy house? Spankys?
5. Blowjob Bar (wood bar).
Am I missing something?
Thank you all for your help.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2000402]Tourists get murdered in Koh Tao. Beware of the Koh Tao police. Oh you are not Burmese, then maybe no problem, at least in terms of being scape goats.[/QUOTE]Ouch! Did not know that.
I'd like if somebody local to Bangkok could post some more info on Rainbow 5, please.
Last night had a dinner date with a classy lady I had met a few months ago on TF, without a doubt the most beautiful woman I have ever had the pleasure of spending time with. Looking at TripAdvisor reviews of good restaurants near my hotel I decided upon The Local, a mix of rooms, both indoors and outdoors, with a small bar outside in the back. I let her order, 5 dishes, food was amazing, service great, a woman comes around with a basket filled with brown & white rice, you choose and she spoons it onto your plate. Mid-level pricing, popular spot.
The Local.
32-32/1 Sukumvit 23.
After dinner we walked to the Sheraton and took the elevator up to a jazz club, The Living Room. Performing now is the Randy Cannon Group, with Veronica Nunn on vocals, outstanding, very high end classy vibe in the room, my date loved it, was her first time experiencing jazz. She's up for a 2nd date for tonight so I'm excited, she's going to choose a rooftop restaurant.
The Living Room.
Inside the Sheraton, L1.
250 Sukhumvit Rd.
Tuesday. Saturday, 21.15 - 24.00 hrs.
So, I seem to be returning to Bangkok this month.
Previous visits have taken me to the likes of Nataree, Dr BJ, some massage rooms and the like.
Any suggestions towards a nice place to try my first prostate massage? Feeling like it's time to break through that particular glass ceiling haha.
I don't have much time this visit so some location info would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=LoveShibuyaGirls;2000634]I'd like if somebody local to Bangkok could post some more info on Rainbow 5, please.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 used to be quite a big bar on 2nd level of Nana Plaza right side. For some reason, it has changed over to become Twisters, which I like better than the old Rainbow 4, although attend there quite rarely. It just depends on your taste for what type of girls you like.
Meanwhile in the back right hand corner of nana Plaza 2nd level, an old bar (forget what it was) had been redecorated and became "CandyLand". The decoration was horrible in my opinion. Candyland was not successful. It had also bought "Hot Lips" bar in a better location close to Mandarin bar and renamed that to "CandyLand 2". This later bar may now be called simply Candyland. The failed Candyland in the back corner has been taken over by the Rainbow group, and become Rainbow 5 (sometimes also known as moved Rainbow 4). It is smaller than old Rainbow 4. Decoration has improved from the Candyland style.
The girls are far fewer than old Rainbow 4, and are pretty much Baccara style of girls, highly modified with surgeries, be it nose jobs or tit jobs or both. Hairstyles are probably the weird styles similar to Baccara as well (I struggle to remember this clearly). Although I looked in Rainbow 5 a couple of times, they clearly do not have my type of girls, which are more natural Thai looking slim girls. The fake looking barbie doll types are not for me, yet are definitely popular with guys like Banana Boi who wrote he likes this bar better than others at Nana Plaza. Bars I prefer are Billboard and Twisters (just my taste). Don't know if Rainbow 5 is going to do well enough to survive. Its just a shell of the former Rainbow 4. Old RB4 customers may prefer Twisters which has a lot of Japanese customers.
You need some comments of course from someone who is really into RB5.
[QUOTE=AquaDreams;2000637]Last night had a dinner date with a classy lady I had met a few months ago on TF, without a doubt the most beautiful woman I have ever had the pleasure of spending time with. Looking at TripAdvisor reviews of good restaurants near my hotel I decided upon The Local, a mix of rooms, both indoors and outdoors, with a small bar outside in the back. I let her order, 5 dishes, food was amazing, service great, a woman comes around with a basket filled with brown & white rice, you choose and she spoons it onto your plate. Mid-level pricing, popular spot.
The Local.
32-32/1 Sukumvit 23..[/QUOTE]If she can't choose: [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.nl/Restaurant_Review-g293916-d3179101-Reviews-Above_Eleven-Bangkok.html[/URL] is a very nice option. Did you stay at the Sheraton as well? I did for a few days and felt it was so rundown. Very disappointing. Their restaurants / bars / lobby are nice tho indeed!
[QUOTE=AquaDreams;2000637]Last night had a dinner date with a classy lady I had met a few months ago on TF, without a doubt the most beautiful woman I have ever had the pleasure of spending time with.[/QUOTE]What? A TF lady you wine and dine and doesn't come to your room on the first date for some horizontal dancing?
The end of the world must be nigh.
[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2000548]Hi everyone,
I am just stepping into the amazing world of punting. This forum has taught me a lot and now I need help from you guys.
I will be spending two days in Bangkok and I plan to experience as much as possible the Sin city has to offer. I have compiled a list of things I want to do and it will be great if you guys can give me recommendations.
1. Soapie.
2. Threesome (Heard of Eden Club but apparently it's shit nowadays).
3. Kinky massage for example prostate massage etc.
4. go go bars, Crazy house? Spankys?
5. Blowjob Bar (wood bar).
Am I missing something?
Thank you all for your help.[/QUOTE]I just left Thai from my first trip and I can say: Go to Crazy house! It's a very nice (and chilled out) experience. The Ping-Pong shows at Suzie didn't do anything for me (boring after 10 seconds) and Baccara which everyone seems to like is plastic fantastic. Lot of surgeries. I prefer natural but It's worth hopping in tho just to see the bar itself. Have a drink there.
For 3-some: why not just ask 2 girls at a go-go for a 3 some? Or ask one you like if she has a nice friend she likes to do one with? Might cost you some time tho to get a perfect couple that's also really bi-sexual but there's loads out there who wouldn't mind.
Enjoy! And one thing to remember: you never know how your day will go. You can plan so much but in BKK so much happens that it's hard sticking to one.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2000786]What? A TF lady you wine and dine and doesn't come to your room on the first date for some horizontal dancing?
The end of the world must be nigh.[/QUOTE]It is well known that most guys are just looking for a fuck, right? Therefore maybe some girls are testing guys to see if there is more to it than just a fuck.
[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2000548]Hi everyone,
I am just stepping into the amazing world of punting. This forum has taught me a lot and now I need help from you guys.
I will be spending two days in Bangkok and I plan to experience as much as possible the Sin city has to offer. I have compiled a list of things I want to do and it will be great if you guys can give me recommendations.
1. Soapie.
2. Threesome (Heard of Eden Club but apparently it's shit nowadays).
3. Kinky massage for example prostate massage etc.
4. go go bars, Crazy house? Spankys?
5. Blowjob Bar (wood bar).
Am I missing something?
Thank you all for your help.[/QUOTE]You are missing one thing. The most important: "[B]Relax and go with the flow[/B]".
That list will have you stressed out as from the first minute.
The beauty of Thailand is that sex is so common and easy and, well, normal but you want to make it into some kind of race. Or one of these horrible "things to do before I die" bucket-lists.
When I first came to Thailand about 7 years ago, I compiled a whole list of (mainly) touristy things to see and do. I still don't have done everything on that list but I did many things not on that list and those were by far the most enjoyable or memorable.
I suggest in the afternoon you walk around the many massage-shops on and around Sukhumvit Road untilou see a lady you fancy and go with her for a happy ending massage. Don't make the beginner's mistake of thinking there will be a better / younger / sexier one just around the corner. Of course there will, but that thought will find you alone in your bed at night, jerking off to the memories of missed opportunities.
In the evening, stroll around Nana or Soi Cowboy. Enjoy the shows and once you have seen enough, grab an agogo dancer smiling at you. Engage her for an LT and experience a night of hot steaming sex or cuddly GFE. Let her deal with your morning wood when you wake up and send her on her way again.
That's the way I think Thailand needs to be experienced.
PS: Bangkok is not Sin City. That is a name originally given to Shanghai, but nowadays Pattaya is arguably more worthy of that crown.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2000803]It is well known that most guys are just looking for a fuck, right? Therefore maybe some girls are testing guys to see if there is more to it than just a fuck.[/QUOTE]Sure, she already got that with the dinner and music at the Jazz club. And then she comes to your room. That's how it is supposed to work.
BTW; Something I always wanted to ask. How did you, the uber-monger of the Thai fora on ISG, end up with a Thai GF? I imagine there must be a good story behind that fact.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2000806]
I suggest in the afternoon you walk around the many massage-shops on and around Sukhumvit Road untilou see a lady you fancy and go with her for a happy ending massage. Don't make the beginner's mistake of thinking there will be a better / younger / sexier one just around the corner. Of course there will, but that thought will find you alone in your bed at night, jerking off to the memories of missed opportunities.
[/QUOTE]I agree with "go with the Flow".
However surely the beginners mistake is to take the first girl that comes to you. Essentially where the girl chose the guy and he did not have any strength to wait for better. Be just a little bit patient I say, and make sure you take time to choose a really good one. I am always prepared to look in several places until something really appeals.
Beginners must accept that they will make plenty of mistakes and learn of course.
If find a an extra special girl, sure go for that in a big hurry lest someone else grabs her, and then you miss out. He who hesitates can loose all.
Have to judge when very fast action is needed and when it is not.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2000786]What? A TF lady you wine and dine and doesn't come to your room on the first date for some horizontal dancing?
The end of the world must be nigh.[/QUOTE]But 2 of the most memorable nights in my life didn't involve sex, last night, and 8 years ago in Shanghai. Went on a date with the daughter of a Chinese general. Dinner at Bali Laguna (Indonesian) then dancing at Lounge 21. Never forget the way she moved on the dance floor. My income wasn't up to family standards so there was no 2nd date, a solid 8 looker. Last night, she's a 9, worth a bit of effort.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2000809]
BTW; Something I always wanted to ask. How did you, the uber-monger of the Thai fora on ISG, end up with a Thai GF? I imagine there must be a good story behind that fact.[/QUOTE]No I am no Uber Monger. I am somewhat sex addicted, although can go weeks without a fuck.
When we were young and stupid, we all wanted adoring wives or girlfriends who would kiss and cuddle us all the tie and fuck our brains out as well. Reality was different.
I chose the wrong Farang girl to be my wife. Later I thought, new girlfriends will be very different. Yes they all have very different problems. The common theme was they all lack the same levels of sexual desire that I have. I would like to have sex at least 5 times a week, maybe the odd day off. I do enjoy sex with the GF, however it lacks frequency. 1 per week is not good enough. She may well get 5 orgasms in a sex about and that leaves her satisfied for far too long. I get 1 pop and am ready for more, later the same day.
The last girlfriend was acquired accidentally. Sort of fell into it gradually without making a definite decision. Sure she was pretty and a great body, and sex was good the first time, and she wasn't serious at first, in fact I was looking after her a little when she was in poor health for a few weeks. She did expect me to be faithful to her from the start however, in the sense that I could not have 2 girlfriends. Initially I was just trying different girls to see how I liked them and if compatible, at all. It takes far too long to tell. Girls change there manner once the relationship becomes permanent. Become less fun. Sex frequency drops off.
Later it becomes clear that many Thai girls generally accept that men will monger. Its so normal in Thailand for men to visit the Soapy or similar sometimes.
Surely I have learned to avoid acquiring a dependent GF. Too late now. Not easy to just dump them after a long time. Some how after previous GF went bad (after 4 years), I had failed to learn that I was much better off without a permanent GF.
I have to travel a lot for work. This makes me well used to living alone. Therefore I am much better off without a woman restricting me and using up resources of time and money. Benefits of a GF are not good enough for me.
Even girls that claim to need sex daily, I have found are bullshitting, with rare exceptions. I have never really found a woman who craves orgasms every single day.
Once we have mongered for long enough, we are wrecked. We have got used to 18 YO girls with perfect high boobs, no baby, no saggy anywhere, and willing to fuck, and even give a GFE. What is more we got used to a stable of these young seemingly "horny" girls. Yet in the real world we are not James Bond able to pull all these chicks, and keep replacing them continually. Outsourcing the sex is definitely working better for most us.
Maybe some guys on here can get the majority of their sex needs met by a wife or GF, but I have only experienced that for shorter periods of less than one year, and most of those highly sexed girls were too Psycho to actually live with.
I would rather perhaps be some girl's 2nd boyfriend, that she sees part time when the main BF is missing, and does not actually live with full time. I don't have the jealous streak that is concerned about who else a girl is fucking. I only care what she provides to me. I tried this scheme more than once. It usually happens when the girl's main relationship is lacking something.
Called me and asked if I wanted to meet a bit earlier at Terminal 21, have coffee and browse shops before dinner, she was there already. Warning lights begin to flash. Met up at Starbucks. Says she has a work mate's daughter's wedding to go to soon, showed me the dress she bought online, but needs shoes to go with. So we look at shoes and sure enough, she expects me to pay. Had my reply set in stone before I arrived. I whispered into her ear, "Sorry, no, it is too soon for me to be buying you things. Money is not the problem." So I don't know Thai culture much but I assume she lost face in front of the store staff. Don't care. She didn't make a scene in the store but just outside said, "I am going home now, goodbye. " Easy come easy go. Stopped in at Shark on my way home, like it better than Crazy House, the ladies, very slender and attractive, are more my speed, can't put my finger on it as to why. Number 210, Moon, wearing a full dress hemmed just above the knees asked if she could sit with me. Turns out she is a hostess only, doesn't dance but I can bar fine her for 700 and ST for 3000. Wow, her face between a 8 & 9, IMO. DFK? "yes" BBBJ? "OK, but just a little bit time" I told her I would think about it, paid for our drinks and am at a sports bar eating, contemplating it. She's hot, but my gut feeling says she is conservative in bed. Talk her down to 2000? Or move on. Undecided at this point.
Hey guys,
Will be travelling soon to Bangkok, needed help finding European or white women escorts there? Are there any strip clubs that have white women in them or any website where I can meet them?
Thanks.
So like I said below (date night #2 post) I was contemplating it at the Clubhouse Sports Bar on Soi 23 (great grilled fish sandwich, steak fries and salad). Her face just looks like she doesn't belong on Soi Cowboy, like you'd see her at a hotel reception desk, but light on the make-up. Body not spinner slender but slender none the less. Went back to my hotel to change my shirt and just outside the elevator on my floor the music system started playing the song that my daughter had used in the first dance at her wedding. Took it as a sign I would be happy in selecting Moon. To be honest here at ISG I hate condoms, never been able to cum using one, ever. Sometimes have trouble staying hard with them. So I tried a new trick. Popped half a Sideagra in my room and got the Sagami Large condoms out, both purchased in the afternoon. Paid the bar fine and full 3000 because she said she does good massage. She lit up when I returned and seemed excited to be going with me, holding hands tight and very talkative, medium good English. Pulled me into a food mart to buy a small bottle of Johnson's baby oil. Showered in the room, I put on my "massage vibe" playlist, popped the other half of the Sideagra and showered after she came out. Very nice 100% natural see cup tits, not perky but I actually like them a tiny bit pointy and droopy (so I liked Opor's at Tulip as well). Slight tummy fat but only very slight, not an issue. It all felt very comfortable. When I came out of the bathroom she said, "very good massage music. " She cracked my back and fingers, good foot massage, washed her hands, then turned me over and sensual BBBJ, all very non-rushed. I was quite hard, the Sagami went on and she elevated knees cowgirl me, same as Opor did to start out our fucking at Tulip. Did 5 positions, we had good chemistry and she seemed really into it, light moaning, amped up to the intensity of the motion. I said, "OK, rest time" and DATY her. Slow build up then added a finger inside the pussy and she came. A really sweet lady. Great GFE. Another BBBJ, more cowgirl, then she finished me with a hand job. Still can't cum with a condom on but Sagami feel better and staying hard was easy with the Sideagra. Would repeat if I lived here, but eager for new experiences.
I liked the concept in SOL and Telephone club in Pattaya where one can sometimes see a BJ or even full penetration. Many times when I am in a busy massage shop, its fun to hear about the sounds from other rooms. Adds to overall charm LOL.
Any more such places these days in Pattaya or Bangkok?
[QUOTE=TabManLlight;2000951]Hey guys,
Will be travelling soon to Bangkok, needed help finding European or white women escorts there? Are there any strip clubs that have white women in them or any website where I can meet them?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Have you even begun to read the forum? You might consider taking a look. You might even learn something.
SW4.
[QUOTE=AquaDreams;2000897]So I don't know Thai culture much but I assume she lost face in front of the store staff.[/QUOTE]She doesn't know those people, so she probably doesn't care. She went in knowing there would be a chance you say no. She went in hoping that putting you on the spot would work. People like her do this all the time and it usually works. Most guys don't want to rock the boat and are scared about saying no.
[QUOTE=TabManLlight;2000951]Hey guys,
Will be travelling soon to Bangkok, needed help finding European or white women escorts there? Are there any strip clubs that have white women in them or any website where I can meet them?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Are you really looking for white / European escorts in Bangkok? If there are any, they'll be rare and expensive.
Bangkok has some hookers / streetworkers that claim to be Russian but are more likely from some of the Asian CIS republics and the few I have seen are low quality. Pattaya's Walking Street has one club with white hostesses, but they are more trained in emptying your wallet than emptying your balls.
Khao San Road in Bangkok has many European tourists (quite a lot of the backpacker variety) and if you have game no doubt you can catch some there.
[QUOTE=AquaDreams;2000897]Called me and asked if I wanted to meet a bit earlier at Terminal 21, have coffee and browse shops before dinner, she was there already. Warning lights begin to flash. (snip).[/QUOTE]That reinforces my idea that unless a TF or DIA girl fucks you on first date night, you're fucked.
Truth be told, with all (except one) of my DIA or TF contacts I had sex at first date night mostly at their initiative and they were all "good girls" with proper jobs (teachers, hospital staff, .). The only exception was with the owner of a massage shop, but she did give me great Thai massage but without he.
[QUOTE=AquaDreams;2000897]Called me and asked if I wanted to meet a bit earlier at Terminal 21, have coffee and browse shops before dinner, she was there already. Warning lights begin to flash. Met up at Starbucks. Says she has a work mate's daughter's wedding to go to soon, showed me the dress she bought online, but needs shoes to go with. So we look at shoes and sure enough, she expects me to pay. Had my reply set in stone before I arrived. I whispered into her ear, "Sorry, no, it is too soon for me to be buying you things. Money is not the problem." So I don't know Thai culture much but I assume she lost face in front of the store staff. Don't care. She didn't make a scene in the store but just outside said, "I am going home now, goodbye. " Easy come easy go. Snip.[/QUOTE]My initial reaction to your post was, Good for you! You dodged a bullet. However, upon reflection, you may have made a mistake in thinking that she was going to be a freebie. I believe there is an old saying that men always pay for sex, either in cash, gifts, or emotional and financial support. From what you posted, you are probably 50+ years old and she is probably 20 years or more younger than you. This is not a situation where she is looking to fuck for free: if that was what she wanted, she could find a good-looking guy her own age. She wanted you to entertain her and spend money on her in exchange for sex with you, or set up a long-term arrangement. Do you think Melania fucks tubby Trump because he's a stud and a great guy?
By your own admission, she was the most beautiful woman you ever dated and the time you spent with her was one of the most memorable nights of your life. I don't know how much that pair of shoes would have cost, but you had no problem spending 3700 bhat short-time on a girl who was not in her league, and if you had met the woman who wanted the shoes at Spasso you would have felt lucky to have her let you fuck her for 6,000-8,000 bhat or more.
In these situations, I think you need to determine what you would pay in cash to fuck the girl and as long as the gifts cost less than that, you are not getting screwed. A pair of shoes might have been a small price to pay to see if she would fuck you later that night, and if she didn't, then get rid of her.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2001368]My initial reaction to your post was, Good for you! You dodged a bullet. However, upon reflection, you may have made a mistake in thinking that she was going to be a freebie. I believe there is an old saying that men always pay for sex, either in cash, gifts, or emotional and financial support. From what you posted, you are probably 50+ years old and she is probably 20 years or more younger than you. This is not a situation where she is looking to fuck for free: if that was what she wanted, she could find a good-looking guy her own age. She wanted you to entertain her and spend money on her in exchange for sex with you, or set up a long-term arrangement. Do you think Melania fucks tubby Trump because he's a stud and a great guy?
By your own admission, she was the most beautiful woman you ever dated and the time you spent with her was one of the most memorable nights of your life. I don't know how much that pair of shoes would have cost, but you had no problem spending 3700 bhat short-time on a girl who was not in her league, and if you had met the woman who wanted the shoes at Spasso you would have felt lucky to have her let you fuck her for 6,000-8,000 bhat or more.
In these situations, I think you need to determine what you would pay in cash to fuck the girl and as long as the gifts cost less than that, you are not getting screwed. A pair of shoes might have been a small price to pay to see if she would fuck you later that night, and if she didn't, then get rid of her.[/QUOTE]She is 46, still looks amazing. I took a photo of her at a dessert place at Terminal 21 after we had met at Starbucks, swear to fucking God she looks 25 in the photo. It was shoes AND a purse. All I could think was, I'll buy this AMD then get stonewalled again after dinner "Must get up early for work" She has a government job with Bangkok police. Ended up having great sex with Moon instead, but damn, woulda shoulda, who knows, wish I could show you guys her photos but I don't want to plaster her all over the web.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2001368]Do you think Melania fucks tubby Trump because he's a stud and a great guy?[/QUOTE]IMHO, Ivanna, Marla and Melania are all gorgeous ladies with cla $$. Look at Xi, Berlusconi, and Sarkozy. Finally we have a classy ladies. Personally, I prefer the French accent.
Hello all,
New member here. I will be staying the whole month of June in BKK. I rented an Airbnb apartment in the Sukhumvit area. The first time I came to the city (6 years ago), I stayed in backpackers hostels in Banglamphu for 5 days and ended up mongering in Chinatown a few times (read about that area on this forum). This time it's going to be a totally different experience for me with spending way more time and having my own spot.
Obviously I'm aware the area where I'll be staying at has a lot of options for girls. I was wondering if someone could give me some advice on getting streetwalkers or bargirls for what I want. I'm not necessarily looking for "long time" or "overnight" girls. I want a couple of quickies a week (about 20 min). I like young, small, petite, innocent looking girls. If I "connect" with some of them I't be a regular thing and might invite them over to my place sometimes.
From what I read about BKK it seems like:
-Bargirls tend to be "hotter"? I'm not into "spectacular" girls. Cute countryside girls are my thing.
-Bargirls are more expensive but don't necessarily provide a better service.
Is that it? Or should I be aware of anything else?
One of the things I don't like about my bar experiences (Tijuana, Guatemala, Spain) is that girls "choose" you. They sit next to you and make small chat expecting a drink and a customer. I hate being in this position and enjoy much more the streetwalking action because I get to wall and scan the girls available before I approach one I like.
Also, how likely is it that either one comes to my place?
Thanks!
Are there any bars still open on Soi 33 - like the old Napolean or Livingstone lodge. Somewhere not too noisy but still can talk to the girls?
I don't want to go Soi or Nana as those are too loud and in you're face. Any alternative?
[QUOTE=AquaDreams;2001389]woulda shoulda, who knows, wish I could show you guys her photos but I don't want to plaster her all over the web.[/QUOTE]If in doubt, probably shouldn't unless you can blot out the face and any identifying features. For some reason, I doubt you were the first time as the older ladies are more secure in what they want and like.
Then again, they all lie. As has happened with other posters, have returned and found girls posing and taking selfies, with little doubt as to what transpired.
[QUOTE=Zen415;2001437]Hello all,
New member here. I will be staying the whole month of June in BKK. I rented an Airbnb apartment in the Sukhumvit area. The first time I came to the city (6 years ago), I stayed in backpackers hostels in Banglamphu for 5 days and ended up mongering in Chinatown a few times (read about that area on this forum). This time it's going to be a totally different experience for me with spending way more time and having my own spot.
Obviously I'm aware the area where I'll be staying at has a lot of options for girls. I was wondering if someone could give me some advice on getting streetwalkers or bargirls for what I want. I'm not necessarily looking for "long time" or "overnight" girls. I want a couple of quickies a week (about 20 min). I like young, small, petite, innocent looking girls. If I "connect" with some of them I't be a regular thing and might invite them over to my place sometimes.
From what I read about BKK it seems like:
-Bargirls tend to be "hotter"? I'm not into "spectacular" girls. Cute countryside girls are my thing.
-Bargirls are more expensive but don't necessarily provide a better service.
Is that it? Or should I be aware of anything else?
One of the things I don't like about my bar experiences (Tijuana, Guatemala, Spain) is that girls "choose" you. They sit next to you and make small chat expecting a drink and a customer. I hate being in this position and enjoy much more the streetwalking action because I get to wall and scan the girls available before I approach one I like.
Also, how likely is it that either one comes to my place?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Yes, the bar girl can be hotter, but no guarantee for good services. I had the bad experience last time I was in BKK. See my early report. I prefer the massage places better.
Jb.
[QUOTE=AquaDreams;2001389]She is 46, still looks amazing. I took a photo of her at a dessert place at Terminal 21 after we had met at Starbucks, swear to fucking God she looks 25 in the photo. It was shoes AND a purse. All I could think was, I'll buy this AMD then get stonewalled again after dinner "Must get up early for work" She has a government job with Bangkok police. Ended up having great sex with Moon instead, but damn, woulda shoulda, who knows, wish I could show you guys her photos but I don't want to plaster her all over the web.[/QUOTE]I retract my post. You were right to do what you did. I would also never knowingly pay (in cash or gifts) to fuck a 46 year-old woman, no matter how good she looked clothed.
[QUOTE=Zen415;2001437]Hello all,
New member here. From what I read about BKK it seems like:
-Bargirls tend to be "hotter"? I'm not into "spectacular" girls. Cute countryside girls are my thing.
-Bargirls are more expensive but don't necessarily provide a better service.
Is that it? Or should I be aware of anything else?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Don't overthink this. With a little walking around and a little patience you'll find just what you want. The freelancers on Soi 4 and on Sukhumvit between Soi 11 and Terminal 21 will afford you lots of choice.
Relax. Enjoy. Have fun.
SW4.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2001483]I retract my post. You were right to do what you did. I would also never knowingly pay (in cash or gifts) to fuck a 46 year-old woman, no matter how good she looked clothed.[/QUOTE]I am going to do exactly what you said, hit Spasso or Mixx and pay up, at least once. The 2 escorts I wanted most for this visit, Nicha at Absolute Angels and Vida at New Bangkok Escort are on vacation, dammit. Bonnie is apparently no longer working, she looked unbelievable as well. Best sex of the trip was Anny, who hangs out at Tha Bar in Khao Lak, did her 3 times for 2000 each, a real tiger and performer.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;2001481]Yes, the bar girl can be hotter, but no guarantee for good services. I had the bad experience last time I was in BKK. See my early report. I prefer the massage places better.
Jb.[/QUOTE]Thanks, just read your bad experience. What do you prefer about massage places?
From what I've read, it's relatively easy to find 2 bargirls to enjoy a 3 way. How about freelancers? How common is that? Also, how likely are the girls to enjoy some bi-play?
I'm thinking the best way to get there would be approaching 2 girls who work around the same spot or ask one if she has a cute friend to join us.
[QUOTE=Wimble;2001432]IMHO, Ivanna, Marla and Melania are all gorgeous ladies with cla $$. Look at Xi, Berlusconi, and Sarkozy. Finally we have a classy ladies. Personally, I prefer the French accent.[/QUOTE]IMHO, They are technically very expensive P4 P Ladies.
[QUOTE=Kimi1;2001444]Are there any bars still open on Soi 33 - like the old Napolean or Livingstone lodge. Somewhere not too noisy but still can talk to the girls?
I don't want to go Soi or Nana as those are too loud and in you're face. Any alternative?[/QUOTE]Try the Office on Soi 33, Hideaway or Rumors Bar in Queens Park Plaza on On Soi 22, Thermae on Sukhumvit, or even Morning Night Bar on Soi 4 adjacent to Nana.
I guess Crazy House isn't the only place where the girls try to order 2 drinks when they first sit down with you. I was in Billboard last night and the girl asked for a Tequila Coke. The difference was that this girl specifically asked me "is it ok if I order 2 drinks instead of one? I want a Tequila and a coke. ".
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2001628]I guess Crazy House isn't the only place where the girls try to order 2 drinks when they first sit down with you. I was in Billboard last night and the girl asked for a Tequila Coke. The difference was that this girl specifically asked me "is it ok if I order 2 drinks instead of one? I want a Tequila and a coke. ".[/QUOTE]At least she was hornest with you unlike the one I had in Crazy House where she just ask me if I can get a drink with Tequila and coke, sound like one drink, but come with two glasses.
Jb.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;2001632]At least she was [b]hornest [/b] with you unlike the one I had in Crazy House where she just ask me if I can get a drink with Tequila and coke, sound like one drink, but come with two glasses.
Jb.[/QUOTE]"Hornest"? A Freudian slip of honest and horney?
[QUOTE=JudeBright;2001632]At least she was hornest with you [/QUOTE]Yes, she did have two orgasms later in the night, not just one. Quite a hornest girl.
Zen415 in BKK for a month.
You have plenty of time to try everything more than once. I say more than once since one bad experinece does not prove anything about other girls.
We can't know what you are going to like best.
I am trying to find great freelancers to save me time and money but it is not easy if you have not yet collected known great girls for you.
I am a sucker for pretty girls but not everyone is.
Hi bros,
Still needed to send my report on my trip to Thailand end of Jan. Main purpose of the trip was golf, relaxing and fun. Stayed at a friends place in BKK so no hotel I can share experience on.
Jut before starting the full facts, I'd just like to outline my general thoughts of what kind of girls I like and what kind of bar I like to hang out. My main objective here is to have fun and a good laugh, not to get laid every night with the best looking girl I see. As such, I tend to spend more then needed in a bar on lady drinks, just because I know it helps in creating a relaxed atmosphere. It's maybe not working in all places, but if you're having fun, it is amazing to see what 1 or 2 extra lady drinks for the mamasan or a girl can do.
This being said, this is what I've done:
Day one: Flew into BKK in the afternoon, went to the apartment and had a shower. As I was playing golf already the next day, we didn't make it too late. Had a couple of beers in Soi 8, went back home and had a last (couple of) beers at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in ski 10. This was a place I've been walking past many times but never went in. Must say, had a great last nr of beers. Started chatting with a girl think named Dao. Her English was very good so must have had a past with an English speaking guy. Didn't to anything special, went to bed alone as foreseen.
Day 2 : played golf, back home and went for a couple of beers again. Started in Soi 8 and later we went to Nana. Must say I was very disappointed by the "new" Nana. I used to prefer Nana to Soi Cowboy but not anymore now. It felt way too clean and "American Sportsbar" on the ground floor. Ended up at Angel witch, which is still a nice and fun place. Had a couple of drinks and left around 1 am I think. On our way back, had a new stop at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s to check on Dao again. She was there and had a good ending of the night. Went upstairs with her and had a great time. No rush at all, everything was on the program with the exception of Anal (didn't ask or try). Think we stayed more than an hour together. Only thing I didn't understand was the price to take her out. She said that the barfine at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s was over 3000 Maybe that's because it's more considered as a BJ bar. Any help here?
Other day's to follow later.
Cheers,
Rolo.
My first visit complete, in Seoul now. Spent entire time in Sukhumvit area.
1) no sirens at all. In Seattle & Bellevue one hears them constantly.
2) streets fairly clean, but nearly impossible to find trash bins, especially on BTS.
3) each time in an oily, I was only customer in waiting area, various times (7 or 8 shops), is business way off.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2001835]Zen415 in BKK for a month.
You have plenty of time to try everything more than once. I say more than once since one bad experinece does not prove anything about other girls.
We can't know what you are going to like best.
I am trying to find great freelancers to save me time and money but it is not easy if you have not yet collected known great girls for you.
I am a sucker for pretty girls but not everyone is.[/QUOTE]That's right. Plenty of time to get to know the city better, explore neighborhoods, make friends and I will definitely find one or two regulars to have fun with.
I didn't post from my 1 nighter in BKK.
Things I successfully checked off my list:
- walked through Thermae. Interesting place. I didn't like it, but maybe it was just a first impression. Did not negotiate with anybody, but the solid line of girls that completely surrounds the room must make for some awkward negotiations. I just has it see it though.
- walked around Nana Plaza and saw the FLs in front of the hotel sign across the road.
- Soi Cowboy of course. Craziest place seemed to be Crazy House around the corner. Turned and left because the place was packed packed with narry a spot for 1. Looked like a ton of fun there though.
- Couldn't find the "BJ bars on the street behind Soi Cowboy" others have posted about.
- walked up and down Sukhumvit Rd and many of the side streets. Saw every kind of SW imaginable. There really is an wide array here. Ning was sitting out side Robinson and had a cheery response to my initial look. Super sweet girl, I put her at 28-29 and lo and behold she is 40, no kids. Wow. 1000 baht and a super nice lay, everybody was happy.
The Grand Finale:
- checked out of hotel at 2, but had 5 hrs to departure. Took my heavy ass suitcase and dragged it over to Wood Bar and got one of the best BJs of my life! Others may find it a little awkward as you can clearly hear other girls sucking off the dudes in the stalls nearby. 1000 baht BJ almost to perfection. The only thing I didn't like is I noticed the girl check her watch at one point mid-suck That was a turnoff.
Train to airport and bye bye Thailand! I probably won't be back for a long time. I find it so difficult to communicate, the language barrier is real. I much prefer the Phils and this is probably one of the main reasons. But Thailand trumps the Phils in other aspects; cleaner places, food is way better, better infrastructure, Russians if that is your thing.
But the Phils is so much cheaper when it comes to food, transportation and girls.
I'll be traveling for my second trip to Bangkok in 2 months and it's been 8 years since my last trip so I have some questions.
1. Looking at video's on Youtube of Bangkok walking streets with all the girls standing out front of the clubs. Are these girls prostitutes or are they just bait to get me inside the club / bar?
2. The clubs / gogo bars that do have the hookers, do they have a place for me to go to have sex? I like to stay in hostels (cheap prices) and don't usually like to take the hookers back to my shared hostel room.
3. What is the going price now for full service from the girls in the gogo bars / clubs in the RLD's in Bangkok? I remember paying like $150 8 years ago when I tried it, but being a very experienced German FKK monger that seems like I was probably ripped off.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2002358]I'll be traveling for my second trip to Bangkok in 2 months and it's been 8 years since my last trip so I have some questions.
1. Looking at video's on Youtube of Bangkok walking streets with all the girls standing out front of the clubs. Are these girls prostitutes or are they just bait to get me inside the club / bar?
2. The clubs / gogo bars that do have the hookers, do they have a place for me to go to have sex? I like to stay in hostels (cheap prices) and don't usually like to take the hookers back to my shared hostel room.
3. What is the going price now for full service from the girls in the gogo bars / clubs in the RLD's in Bangkok? I remember paying like $150 8 years ago when I tried it, but being a very experienced German FKK monger that seems like I was probably ripped off.[/QUOTE]Have you read any of the reports? Go back 50 pages. Read. You will have the answers you seek. RTFF.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2002358]I'll be traveling for my second trip to Bangkok in 2 months and it's been 8 years since my last trip so I have some questions.
1. Looking at video's on Youtube of Bangkok walking streets with all the girls standing out front of the clubs. Are these girls prostitutes or are they just bait to get me inside the club / bar?
2. The clubs / gogo bars that do have the hookers, do they have a place for me to go to have sex? I like to stay in hostels (cheap prices) and don't usually like to take the hookers back to my shared hostel room.
3. What is the going price now for full service from the girls in the gogo bars / clubs in the RLD's in Bangkok? I remember paying like $150 8 years ago when I tried it, but being a very experienced German FKK monger that seems like I was probably ripped off.[/QUOTE]1. Generally, the girls out front are just there to lure you inside. There are plenty of regular working girls inside pretty much every bar and, of course, inside go-go bars in Nana Plaza and on Soi Cowboy.
2. There are numerous short time hotels in Nana. The ladies will know one. They are cheap and safe.
3. At go-go bars the prices are generally 100-200 Baht for a lady drink, 500-1,000 Baht for bar fine, 2,000-3,000 Baht for short time, 3,000-6,000 Baht for long time. Everything is negotiable.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2002358]I'll be traveling for my second trip to Bangkok in 2 months and it's been 8 years since my last trip so I have some questions.
1. Looking at video's on Youtube of Bangkok walking streets with all the girls standing out front of the clubs. Are these girls prostitutes or are they just bait to get me inside the club / bar?
2. The clubs / gogo bars that do have the hookers, do they have a place for me to go to have sex? I like to stay in hostels (cheap prices) and don't usually like to take the hookers back to my shared hostel room.
3. What is the going price now for full service from the girls in the gogo bars / clubs in the RLD's in Bangkok? I remember paying like $150 8 years ago when I tried it, but being a very experienced German FKK monger that seems like I was probably ripped off.[/QUOTE]I saw a good answer already so I won't repeat that. You can get a private room fairly cheaply like 800 Baht is possible in the right location however ST hotel is cheaper. You probably won't be able to afford bar girls so you should be considering Freelancers on the street to get a fuck for a really good price like 1000 to 1500 Baht.
The price of hostel plus ST hotel 350 baht could come to same as a very cheap private room.
consider also if one girl was no fun snd then you got another one on same day.
If you go to massage shop they have a room to use. However will still cost more than a freelancer on the street.
Try all options to see what works for you. Bargirls can be a lot of fun but they tend to have been spoiled by customers that are relatively big spenders. Plenty of guys in bars are not on a tight budget.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2002670]
If you go to massage shop they have a room to use. However will still cost more than a freelancer on the street.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I have gotten full PSE experiences in the massage shop / brothels near Villa Mkt between Soi's 11 & 13 for 1,300 all in. They even have shower facilities. And similarly at L0 lita's and Kasalong. A 500 baht tip will buy a lot of service if you choose carefully. Kasalong actually has cubical rooms with running water.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2002358]I'll be traveling for my second trip to Bangkok in 2 months and it's been 8 years since my last trip so I have some questions.
1. Looking at video's on Youtube of Bangkok walking streets with all the girls standing out front of the clubs. Are these girls prostitutes or are they just bait to get me inside the club / bar?
2. The clubs / gogo bars that do have the hookers, do they have a place for me to go to have sex? I like to stay in hostels (cheap prices) and don't usually like to take the hookers back to my shared hostel room.
3. What is the going price now for full service from the girls in the gogo bars / clubs in the RLD's in Bangkok? I remember paying like $150 8 years ago when I tried it, but being a very experienced German FKK monger that seems like I was probably ripped off.[/QUOTE]Your questions are little puzzling especially since you say you had tried 8 years back. However, to answer shortly:
1. The girls are mostly prostitutes standing in front of the clubs. However, a few may not be willing to go with, though I have never experienced that.
2. The prices for full service in go go bars differ from short to long time and could be in the range of 2000 to 4000 baht for ST and 3000 and above for LT. But note that these are not standard rates and could vary at different clubs and with girls as well as your negotiation skills. If you had paid $ 150, that too, 8 years back, you have been thoroughly ripped off. That is not the price even now!
3. There are a number of places available for short time for as little as baht.
The pages below, will give you enormous information from seniors. Do take trouble to browse.
I put together a list of places.
I am sure you can fill in the blanks.
I was Eden the other night and he ask me to leave. I said his beer was too expensive. All his girls were busy playing with their cell phones.
Chrome Bar was funny. I walked in and the girls were sitting in the door way on one side and the guys were on the other. Kind of like High School.
The Madam wanted me to sit, but I said I wanted a beer and she this is not a bar and threw me out.
[B]Nana Area[/B]
Chrome Bar, 131/16 Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. 6 Girls. Prices: 2000 THB. Tel: +66 2 651 3312. Hours: 11 am to 1 am.
Wood Bar (ex-Dr. BJ Salon), Sukhumvit 7/1 Soi. 5+ Girls. Prices: 800-1000 THB. Tel: 02 651 2563. Hours: 10:30 to 2 am.
The Eden club, Sukhumvit 7/1. 5 + Girls. Prices: _ Tel: +66 2 255 4672. Hours: Noon to Midnight. [URL]http://edenbangkok.com/login/login.php[/URL].
L o l i t a s’s Bangkok Bar, 4 Soi Sukhumvit 8. 6+ Girls. Prices: 800 THB. Tel: +66 86 010 2272. Hours: 10 am to 1 am. [URL]http://lolitasbangkok.com/[/URL].
Kasalong, Chai Saman Alley. __ Girls. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: 10 am to 1 am.
Lollipip 1, 10 Sukhumvit Rd. 6+Girls. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: _.
Som's Haven, 5 Sukhumvit 14 Alley. 5+ Girls. Prices: 700 THB, 1200 BTH Full. Tel: +66 81 007 4841. Hours: Noon to 1 am.
[B]Soi Cowboy[/B]
Toy Bar, Soi Cowboy, __ Girls. _ Prices: _ Hours: __ to _.
Foxzee Bar, 392/20 Sukhumvit Rd. __ Girls. Prices: _ Hours: __ to _.
B52 Bar, 22 Sukhumvit Rd. , Soi 22. __ Girls. Prices: _ Hours: __ to _.
Afterschools Naughty Boy Corner, 23 Sukhumvit Rd. __ Girls. Prices: _ Hours: 5 pm to _.
[B]Patpong Area[/B]
Star of Light, 68 Phat Pong 2 Alley. 7+Girls. Prices: 7000 THB. Tel: _ Hours: 9 am to _.
Kangaroo Club, 44 Khwaeng Suriya Wong, Khet Bang Rak, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon 10500.4+ Girls. Prices: _ Tel: 089 998 1678. Hours: 3 pm to 8 pm.
Don't see a lot of reports on this place, so I thought I'd contribute. I was only interested in getting a slave so can't speak to the mistress side of things.
Went in a couple of weeks ago at about 8 pm. It's located on Sukhumvit Soi 33 near Akane Massage. The dress code is plain black t-shirt (I think they will give you one to wear if you don't have one) and I think they don't allow shorts / flip flops. As it's a BDSM club, they want you dressed accordingly. You have to ring a buzzer to get in and they have a speakeasy type door where there is a small sliding opening at about eye level. They'll ask if you've been there before and then let you in if dressed properly. The place is DARK. I mean like, I had to watch the ground closely as I walked so as to not trip on anything. Keeping with the gothic feel I guess. There is a 900 baht entry fee which includes 1 drink. Your next drink is 300 baht, LD's are 280 baht.
I was taken to an alcove seating area which is meant to be semi-private. I was then given a mistress-slave show with 2 girls where they demo and then allow you to test drive what is allowable. You can lightly whip (not exactly a 'whip' per se but has multiple strands of heavy cloth on the end) the slave, paddle her, tie her with rope, and drip her with hot wax. I skipped the wax and was only interested in how hard you were allowed to hit. Not that I wanted to hit hard, but rather wanted to avoid hitting too hard. If you have specific things in mind, this is the time to ask what is acceptable. Aside from some light slapping, paddle work and saying some horrendous shit there really wasn't anything I wanted. I thought about asking if spitting was allowed but decided that was too much for my first dabble in the BDSM world. I was told what I wanted was acceptable and I asked for a 'safe' word the girl would give if she wanted to stop. The mamasan told me it was Heineken which is what I happened to be drinking. As I came to learn, this is really BDSM lite. Don't expect that Kink website level stuff here. Anyways, as we talked things out, I was asked to buy a drink for the girls. Since they performed the demo and I participated I agreed.
A 90 minute session is 3500 baht per girl, they will encourage you to take a mistress and slave, however I only wanted slave. I asked to see a lineup of slaves and was presented with 3 girls, one of whom performed as the mistress in my demo and was a switch. If this was a MP lineup, I would have immediately walked out but since looks really wasn't this was all about I chose the most attractive of the group (Jun) which happened to be the switch. I bought her and I a shot before we headed up as I wanted her nice and loose for the session. You can select which items you want to bring before you head up (rope, whip, paddle). The girl will also bring some toys (vibrator, strap-on etc.).
The room we were taken to had a large bed, a wooden X which you can strap your slave to, and a head and arm stock. I showered alone before we started and she got ready in another room. When she came in, she was dressed in the standard slave outfit (schoolgirl uniform). As it turned out, she didn't really seem to want to get strapped into the X, but rather would just hold on with her hands to the straps. That was OK with me, not sure what would have happened if I insisted. Anyways, without getting into too much detail, I ran through the list of things I wanted to try. Most of it was just verbal abuse and the paddle. Making her crawl around, chasing my dick trying to suck it while I slowly walked backwards was amusing. She was game for all that, but the primary schtick seemed to be 'yes master', 'sorry master', 'may I come master' which got a bit tiresome after a while. I also got hit up for 2 more LDs during the session (shots). Since I face fucked her pretty hard, I obliged. She'll also say whatever lines you feed her which was a bit of fun.
After the session, I was hit up for a tip which I agreed to for her (300), but the mamasan and CASHIER also asked for one which was denied. Total cost ended up being 5400 baht. A little steep, but a unique experience. Am thinking of trying the Castle in Pattaya as I'm out there now. I'm expecting a cookie cutter experience, but hopefully with a more attractive girl. I'll post a report there if I do.
Thanks WT69. Will check some of these out when I'm back in Bangkok. Just to clarify these prices are BJ only? I'm asking since some places like Chrome (2000) and Star of Light (7000) seem excessively high for a BJ. Better be some damn hot supermodel for 7000 baht BJ.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2002993]Thanks WT69. Will check some of these out when I'm back in Bangkok. Just to clarify these prices are BJ only? I'm asking since some places like Chrome (2000) and Star of Light (7000) seem excessively high for a BJ. Better be some damn hot supermodel for 7000 baht BJ.[/QUOTE]Star Of Lights is 700 baht for BJ, he typing one more 0 LOL. Chrome (Dr. BJ Nuru) isn't a BJ bar, is a massage shop, 2000 baht for 1 HR.
[QUOTE=LaidBackPunter;2002574]3. At go-go bars the prices are generally 100-200 Baht for a lady drink, 500-1,000 Baht for bar fine, 2,000-3,000 Baht for short time, 3,000-6,000 Baht for long time. Everything is negotiable.[/QUOTE]"Everything", except the price of the drinks and the barfine.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2002960]I put together a list of places.
I am sure you can fill in the blanks.
I was Eden the other night and he ask me to leave. I said his beer was too expensive. All his girls were busy playing with their cell phones.
Chrome Bar was funny. I walked in and the girls were sitting in the door way on one side and the guys were on the other. Kind of like High School.
The Madam wanted me to sit, but I said I wanted a beer and she this is not a bar and threw me out.
[B]Nana Area[/B].[/QUOTE][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is the one with the Pink and White Schoolgirl outfits, but what is the name of the one right around the corner from it? They have light blue and white school girl outfits.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2002960]I put together a list of places.
I am sure you can fill in the blanks.
I was Eden the other night and he ask me to leave. I said his beer was too expensive. All his girls were busy playing with their cell phones.
Chrome Bar was funny. I walked in and the girls were sitting in the door way on one side and the guys were on the other. Kind of like High School.
The Madam wanted me to sit, but I said I wanted a beer and she this is not a bar and threw me out.
[B]Nana Area[/B]
Chrome Bar, 131/16 Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. 6 Girls. Prices: 2000 THB. Tel: +66 2 651 3312. Hours: 11 am to 1 am.
Wood Bar (ex-Dr. BJ Salon), Sukhumvit 7/1 Soi. 5+ Girls. Prices: 800-1000 THB. Tel: 02 651 2563. Hours: 10:30 to 2 am.
The Eden club, Sukhumvit 7/1. 5 + Girls. Prices: _ Tel: +66 2 255 4672. Hours: Noon to Midnight. [URL]http://edenbangkok.com/login/login.php[/URL].
L o l i t a ss Bangkok Bar, 4 Soi Sukhumvit 8. 6+ Girls. Prices: 800 THB. Tel: +66 86 010 2272. Hours: 10 am to 1 am. [URL]http://lolitasbangkok.com/[/URL].
Kasalong, Chai Saman Alley. __ Girls. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: 10 am to 1 am.
Lollipip 1, 10 Sukhumvit Rd. 6+Girls. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: _.
[/QUOTE]6+girls means you score them 6 points or so out of 10 for looks? I guess this based on Eden getting the lowest score.
Its quite amusing that both Wood bar and chome bar are not bars at all. BJ shop and Nuru Massage shop respectively. You can get a drink once you have paid for a booking though. I have had a drink while waiting for a girl more than once.
In Eden you will be expected to leave as well if do not select a girl promptly. They could not tolerate that I was slow to make a decision.
The owner of Lollitas is very proud that there is no hanky panky going on in his bar (downstairs). This makes the place rather boring.LOL I prefer places with hanky panky in the bar.
So Eden and Chrome don't really belong on the list of BJ "Shops"
Kangaroo Club is in Pat Pong 1 alley. The address you give would confuse. Kangaroo Club was my first BJ bar about 26 years ago. Was good place to go at lunch time as plenty of girls but very few customers. Was a shock first time in their to be attacked by girls trying to get your dick out, but got used to it and to groping pussy, and fucking was always available as well in the back room. I have some photos at home of the crew of Kangaroo club girls from 26 years ago. Perhaps I will publish them some day. One of the girls was cute a little less slim than I like but enormous tits. I recall her her standing with boobs or pussy in my face while others were taking turns at the BBBJ. Originally even the bar girl serving drinks was wayward. You could pull down her pants and have some fun. I did fuck her as well. In those days there was no price for BJ, you merely had to keep buying drinks for all the girls sexually involved with you. I don't recall the drinks price, but I guess they would soon add up. I guess there was a price for full sex in the back room. At one time Kangaroo Club moved but still in same alley. Annies Rose was another club similar in Pat Pong 1. Don't know if it is still there.
I the idea of going to the back dark room for sex has lost its appeal somewhat. I would be more keen to know what things I can get away with in the public bar like in the old days. First day I went upstairs to Annies Rose, a guy and woman were in like chairs with backs, facing each other at the bar. The woman was a bit older and plumper than I like but was totally nude and slumped back with the guys fingers being deep inside her pussy while he had a drink in the other hand. Was a shock for a newbie but we got used to those things. He probably got these things just by buying her some drinks. He probably received a BJ or went to a room for fucking after that. There was no sense of urgency. I recall taking 3 or 4 girls to back room to fuck in an orgy, probably for a few hundred baht each (not sure now).
First time in Toy bar, it was keep buying the girls drinks, and the BBBJ was then free of charge. That was plenty of years ago though. So I would be interested to read just what things still occur in the public bar.
BJ Bars with curtains never seemed to have quite the same appeal.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2002848]FWIW, I have gotten full PSE experiences in the massage shop / brothels near Villa Mkt between Soi's 11 & 13 for 1,300 all in. They even have shower facilities. And similarly at L0 lita's and Kasalong. A 500 baht tip will buy a lot of service if you choose carefully. Kasalong actually has cubical rooms with running water.[/QUOTE]Good point. At Lollitas I almost always took the VIP room, with shower and bed and full sex of course, and price was reasonable even with the good room thrown in. I am not really a BJ only man. I am a doer rather than just sit back and be blown. That relied on having a girl with fabulous ass though like Anne (gone now).
[QUOTE=FunExplorer;2002877]Your questions are little puzzling especially since you say you had tried 8 years back. However, to answer shortly:
1. The girls are mostly prostitutes standing in front of the clubs. However, a few may not be willing to go with, though I have never experienced that.
2. The prices for full service in go go bars differ from short to long time and could be in the range of 2000 to 4000 baht for ST and 3000 and above for LT. But note that these are not standard rates and could vary at different clubs and with girls as well as your negotiation skills. If you had paid $ 150, that too, 8 years back, you have been thoroughly ripped off. That is not the price even now!
3. There are a number of places available for short time for as little as baht.
The pages below, will give you enormous information from seniors. Do take trouble to browse.[/QUOTE]OK so regarding my original post that you responded too.
I think I paid somewhere between $100-$130 for full service in some room behind the bar.
But this still concerns me in terms of price, because I thought that mongers traveled to Thailand to get cheap P4P?
These prices are the same if not more expensive then the German FKK's which I'm very familiar with and I know that the quality in FKK's (looks) are much better then Thailand.
So, WHY would anyone go to Thailand to pay higher prices then an FKK?
After seeing a couple of responses to my earlier thread about prices in Bangkok (2000-4000 Baht for full service).
My question is why would I ever go to Thailand for those mongering prices? Please tell me!?
German FKK's have much better line ups (white girls) and are cheaper!
For $130 I can go to the message parlors in San Francisco and get full service.
I can understand if you are close to Thailand geographically but if you are in say the US (California), it doesn't seem like the trip is worth it.
I was always under the impression that Thailand was a big destination for mongering because the currency rate was low and you could get service for a cheap price? Emphasize cheap price.
Not true based on the reports I'm seeing.
I did a backpacking trip to Thailand about 7 years ago and did engage in P4P in a gogo bar for about $120 US. Went to a room around the corner from the bar and popped twice. I remember going into a couple of message parlors and asking about prices and they seemed way to expensive for Thailand. I thing they wanted $150+ for message and full service. I thought this was a 3rd world country?
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003161]After seeing a couple of responses to my earlier thread about prices in Bangkok (2000-4000 Baht for full service).
My question is why would I ever go to Thailand for those mongering prices? Please tell me!?
German FKK's have much better line ups (white girls) and are cheaper!
For $130 I can go to the message parlors in San Francisco and get full service.
I can understand if you are close to Thailand geographically but if you are in say the US (California), it doesn't seem like the trip is worth it.
I was always under the impression that Thailand was a big destination for mongering because the currency rate was low and you could get service for a cheap price? Emphasize cheap price.
Not true based on the reports I'm seeing.
I did a backpacking trip to Thailand about 7 years ago and did engage in P4P in a gogo bar for about $120 US. Went to a room around the corner from the bar and popped twice. I remember going into a couple of message parlors and asking about prices and they seemed way to expensive for Thailand. I thing they wanted $150+ for message and full service. I thought this was a 3rd world country?[/QUOTE]To me, the difference is legal in Thailand and illegal in the US. Plus, in Thailand, you get better services and longer time for less.
Jb.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;2003202]To me, the difference is legal in Thailand and illegal in the US. Plus, in Thailand, you get better services and longer time for less.
Jb.[/QUOTE]But also legal in Germany and some parts of Europe.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003161]After seeing a couple of responses to my earlier thread about prices in Bangkok (2000-4000 Baht for full service).
My question is why would I ever go to Thailand for those mongering prices? Please tell me!?
German FKK's have much better line ups (white girls) and are cheaper!
For $130 I can go to the message parlors in San Francisco and get full service.
[/QUOTE]Plenty of reasons.
First, while Thailand is worse than it used to be, but the actual experience of paid sex here is still better. In the west, the best case scenario (what some mongers call GFE) is that the girl isn't actively hostile or aloof, and lets you kiss her on the mouth. In Thailand, GFE is a girl who happily stays with you for however long you wish (of course, you pay a bit more, but not that much more for overnight) and actually treats you as nicely as an actual GF ever did. Not as common these days as it used to be, but can still be found (especially in Pattaya, and with girls who are not in top demand). Even though old-time mongers complain about the service, it's still notably better in Thailand then the west, where expectations are ultra-low.
For many mongers, amount of choice is important. While Thailand doesn't have best looking working girls on average, the mongering scene is still vast, with many different venues, hundreds of different girls etc. Just having all those options, the freedom to choose and to hunt, is worth the trip. In SF, you'll probably be ushered into some dodgy massage place, and assigned a masseuse, or at best given a choice of 3-4 girls. Even in a German FKK, while the average looks might be better, the sheer amount of choice does not even come close. You're confined to choosing a girl out of a limited selection, within one tightly-controlled setting. Zero adventure, zero surprise. Oh, and don't even think of trying to take a photo with the girl (even just a snap for personal memory), or go anywhere outside of the scripted bounds.
In the end, the price. People often compare the cheapest lowest-end sex they ever got (or heard of) in the west to an agogo barfine in Thailand, which is on the higher end price-wise, and low on price / value ratio. Thailand has more options. You can still find sex for 500-1200 baht ($15-$35) in some places. And service won't be worse than what you're getting for $130 in SF. For 2. 1 k baht ($60), you can get a PSE-style massage with 90 minutes of multiple pops, anal, deep BBBJs, rimming, whatever you can think of. I doubt your $130 session in SF comes anywhere close to what you get at Tulip or Snow White at half the price.
If you're only looking at prices per cum, nothing beats masturbation, and our entire hobby is pointless.
Thailand is MUCH worse than it used to be, but unfortunately, even in its diminished state, it is still in many ways the best mongering place in the world.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003158]OK so regarding my original post that you responded too.
I think I paid somewhere between $100-$130 for full service in some room behind the bar.
But this still concerns me in terms of price, because I thought that mongers traveled to Thailand to get cheap P4P?
These prices are the same if not more expensive then the German FKK's which I'm very familiar with and I know that the quality in FKK's (looks) are much better then Thailand.
So, WHY would anyone go to Thailand to pay higher prices then an FKK?[/QUOTE]In FKK, you get one pop in 30 minutes for $100-130, in BKK, you get 90 to 120 minutes for 2 pop for less than $100.
Jb.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2003211]Thailand is MUCH worse than it used to be, but unfortunately, even in its diminished state, it is still in many ways the best mongering place in the world.[/QUOTE]Agree with your first statement, but if you are talking about a destination just to monger, Jakarta has to top Thailand. Of course Thailand is a much better place to hang. Biggest issue with Thailand now is looks. When I look at the escorts in the China forum, they really are stunning and 90 min for about 140 USD. When all in that is a better deal than most GoGo gals in Thailand and for real lookers. White skin, great bodies, no baby. Also compare that to what the oldies are charging at Spaso these days.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003158]So, WHY would anyone go to Thailand to pay higher prices then an FKK?[/QUOTE]I've never been to an FKK, but I can easily answer why I spent more hours in an airplane going to Thailand than would have been necessary going to Germany. I like Thai girls better than German girls. That includes both appearance and personality. I never checked prices, but I'd be willing to bet that your other living expenses in Thailand would be less than Germany (hotel, transportation, food).
My next overseas mongering trip will again be to Thailand.
Goatscot,
I have always found what I believe where stunners in Thailand found in Spasso, Mixx, Lord Massage and G Club Take out. Are you saying there is superior looking Asia girls in China.
If there are I would be very interested to know where? Never really fancied the Chinese chicks, but I could be persuaded to take a short trip to investigate.
Thanks MS.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003161]. I thought this was a 3rd world country?[/QUOTE]Just curious. TTG.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2003219]I've never been to an FKK, but I can easily answer why I spent more hours in an airplane going to Thailand than would have been necessary going to Germany. I like Thai girls better than German girls. That includes both appearance and personality. I never checked prices, but I'd be willing to bet that your other living expenses in Thailand would be less than Germany (hotel, transportation, food).
My next overseas mongering trip will again be to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Well it's not like there are many actual German girls. More so eastern Europeans including their attitudes. Sweet lovely Thai girls will always win.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003161]For $130 I can go to the message parlors in San Francisco and get full service.
I can understand if you are close to Thailand geographically but if you are in say the US (California), it doesn't seem like the trip is worth it.[/QUOTE]Your $130 session in SF is probably rushed (less than 1 hour) and includes only 1 pop.
In Bangkok you can go to a GFE / PSE massage shop and get 2 hours of A+ BBBJ CIM multi-pop service for 2,300 baht ($65).
So in Thailand you get 4 hours of better sex service vs. Your (maybe) 1 hour session in SF. 75% cheaper per hour by my math.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003161]I was always under the impression that Thailand was a big destination for mongering because the currency rate was low and you could get service for a cheap price? Emphasize cheap price.
Not true based on the reports I'm seeing.[/QUOTE]This happens fairly frequently. Punters come here with pre-conceived notions which we must disprove, and when informed they stick to their position. Tedious really.
SL.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003161]After seeing a couple of responses to my earlier thread about prices in Bangkok (2000-4000 Baht for full service).
My question is why would I ever go to Thailand for those mongering prices? Please tell me!?
German FKK's have much better line ups (white girls) and are cheaper!
For $130 I can go to the message parlors in San Francisco and get full service.
I can understand if you are close to Thailand geographically but if you are in say the US (California), it doesn't seem like the trip is worth it.
I was always under the impression that Thailand was a big destination for mongering because the currency rate was low and you could get service for a cheap price? Emphasize cheap price.
Not true based on the reports I'm seeing.
I did a backpacking trip to Thailand about 7 years ago and did engage in P4P in a gogo bar for about $120 US. Went to a room around the corner from the bar and popped twice. I remember going into a couple of message parlors and asking about prices and they seemed way to expensive for Thailand. I thing they wanted $150+ for message and full service. I thought this was a 3rd world country?[/QUOTE]The USD dollar exchange rate is about 34 Baht for every 1 USD. I normall pay 1900-2500 for 1- 2 hours at a Soapie or oily massage and 2,500-4,000 LT for a freelance or go go girl in Bangkok depending on the girl so let's use the most expensive comparisons.
73.52 USD or 2,500 Baht for a 2 hour massage session with 2 or more pops.
117.63 USD or 4,000 Baht for an all night session with 2 or more pops. 6-12 hours with the lady.
I'm sorry but how do you figure the US or Germany is better?
At the maximum prices I would expect to pay on a regular basis, and the time and service quality I would get, Thailand is far better than any suggestion you can make otherwise. Can you prove me wrong?
What about the cheaper options? What about the atitude of the ladies, length of time, quality of service, variety, opportunities for photos and videos......
Not only are your ideas out of whack but also your conversion from Thai Baht to USD. I guess hence your backpacking trip, that says it all.
[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2003222]Goatscot,
I have always found what I believe where stunners in Thailand found in Spasso, Mixx, Lord Massage and G Club Take out. Are you saying there is superior looking Asia girls in China.
If there are I would be very interested to know where? Never really fancied the Chinese chicks, but I could be persuaded to take a short trip to investigate.
Thanks MS.[/QUOTE]HK, Shan, Bei, all full of them. I prefer the Chinese look to the Thai look myself. White skin and the pretty ones are well how can I put this, less "simian" looking. I find the gals in the higher end discos in Thailand to be meh at best. Especially for the prices they are asking. China's heyday is really over. They best times were the Chongping days before the crackdown.
[QUOTE=JudeBright;2003214]In FKK, you get one pop in 30 minutes for $100-130, in BKK, you get 90 to 120 minutes for 2 pop for less than $100.
Jb.[/QUOTE]Not need to useless argue FKK vs Thailand but your FKK's price are incorrect, standard 30min in a Germany FKK is 50€ and in some clubs 40€/30 min or 30€/30 min. Only artemis and few clubs other clubs cost 60€ for 30min. Unfortunately FKK have a la carte menu for all extras. IMHO FKK girls win for beauty, but thai girls win for service and perfomance. I'm looking more for perfomance so for me Thai is better, but Germany is only 1 HR flight and 20/30e flight ticket from my country, so easy to spend weekend there.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2003216]if you are talking about a destination just to monger, Jakarta has to top Thailand. Of course Thailand is a much better place to hang. Biggest issue with Thailand now is looks.[/QUOTE]
Looks are indeed notably better in Jakarta than Bangkok mongering scene (not to mention Pattaya, which has mostly dregs, but plenty of them). Unfortunately, overall, I don't find the Jakarta scene particularly appealing. At the lower end (Classic / Travel hotels), service is pretty much appalling, and at the higher end (e. G. Malioboro) the environment is still restrictive and mafia-run. I'd compare them Rachada soapies, which are not my favorite places in Bangkok either -- maybe it's just me, but I prefer more open-ended scene (e.g. freelancers, spots where a girl is at least free to go back to place of your choice if you so desire).
Jakarta has no places comparable to Bangkok PSE oilies like Tulip or Snow White (Maribaya allegedly, but it's not quite in the same league, nor as straightforward). Freelancers are scarce, and ridiculously expensive compared to local salaries (they ask 2 m rupiah overnight, which is pretty a month's rent at an OK place). Oddly enough, I never had truly great service in Jakarta (a few were OK, a few terrible)... maybe I'm going to the wrong places, or unwilling to spend enough.
Jakarta is, however, better than Bangkok for non-prostitute, quality girls, and being a foreigner is still a significant advantage, whereas in Thailand it's a mixed blessing these days.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003158]
So, WHY would anyone go to Thailand to pay higher prices then an FKK?[/QUOTE]Firstly I am not going to claim that Thailand has the cheapest mongering. Clearly Cambodia and Nigeria are far cheaper.
Don't come to Thailand unless you particularly like Thai girls. That is the first rule.
FKK girls are cheap at 50 Euros for 30 minutes (plus entrance fee). However if you want to spend a lot of time with the girl the price mounts up. If you want extras like CIM and anal, the price mounts up.
In Thailand there are places that have CIM and anal included for no extra charge.
If you get a 30 min session in FKK, for the same price or less including all costs, you could be with a Thai girl for 90 minutes, perhaps with CIM and anal thrown in, maybe multi shots.
So the big difference is you get more time for your money. No rush.
You can get a Thai girl for the entire night. That would cost you far too much in Europe. Probably 20% of that price in Thailand or less.
You can book a Thai girls for several days straight and take her on a holiday a cost vastly lower than what a Euro chick will cost you.
That way you can be at your favorite holiday destination (in Thailand) or nearby, and have a temporary wife for a few days who provides sex in proper quantities.
30 minute quickie with a girl is never enough for me. Therefore Thai girls can be quite a lot cheaper than FKK girls, especially if I take freelancers in Thailand for say 90 mins. I do like Asian girls. Even in FKK have taken Thai and Philippine girls.
Some mongers in Thailand may pay more than an FKK girl for 30 mins price. It's purely their choice. No one is forcing them. You definitely can get cheaper than FKK when you compare like for like in terms of time and service.
I f you like to take multiple girls for quick sessions in an AO club, you best stay there, as maybe hard to find a Thai equivalent for the right price.
When I first came to Thailand, I had a Thai girl in my bed for the night every night. Never had to sleep alone. These days, I don't need that, but at the time, it was special.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2003277]117.63 USD or 4,000 Baht for an all night session with 2 or more pops. 6-12 hours with the lady.[/QUOTE]Assuming that THB4,000 just for the girl's service, if you add on the 700 b bar fine and very minimalist drinks / tip of 500 b, then you end up at THB5,200 "total cost" for a better end go go bar LT experience. That's circa USD150.
Interestingly, I just got back from Manila where I went to the EDSA Complex go go bars and did a takeout. Damage was exactly the same. Bar was PHP1,950 barfine plus p400 for minimalist drinks. LT was PHP5,000, so total was PHP7,350 all-in, which is the equivalent of THB5,100. So cost was pretty much at par. The quality I got was every bit as good, if not better, than anything I could have gotten at the subjectively "better" go go venues like Crazy House, etc. In BKK. In fact, for me it was absolutely better. The quality and experience I had from this girl was so good during our first round that I kept her overnight, something that I hadn't done in over 7 years (if that says anything). If it had been a short time (which was my original intention), then I could have knocked off PHP2,000, which still keeps it on par with BKK.
The cost for high quality from tourist or "public-oriented" venues like go go bars has gotten way out of hand. But it is what it is. If you can't afford it, then I say to mongers better to manage your expectations. If your wallet is a constraint, you can try your luck in freelance bars, try the soapies/oilies, use chat apps or trawl the streets for alternatives.
Cost being what it is, if I were living in Southern California I would be driving down to Mexico to live like a sex tourist king on the devalued peso. Exchange rates matter, but only in limited temporal cases IMHO and the market adjusts quickly. I find the discussion below interesting not for the bickering about price, but more from the angle that shows that mongers have an immense variety of choices to make and, depending on their diverse (or perverse) preferences, they can choose a wide variety of venues with product to suit tastes and budgets. Thailand being what it is today, no way would I cram myself into an economy class seat for 10+ hours to pay for what is on the public menu at most Asian venues today. ASIA IS NOT A CHEAP QUALITY FUCK DESTINATION ANYMORE. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2003333]Not need to useless argue FKK vs Thailand but your FKK's price are incorrect, standard 30min in a Germany FKK is 50 and in some clubs 40/30 min or 30/30 min. Only artemis and few clubs other clubs cost 60 for 30min. Unfortunately FKK have a la carte menu for all extras. IMHO FKK girls win for beauty, but thai girls win for service and perfomance. I'm looking more for perfomance so for me Thai is better, but Germany is only 1 HR flight and 20/30e flight ticket from my country, so easy to spend weekend there.[/QUOTE]I think you have to pay entrance fee in FKK between 45 to 60 euro unless you get waived.
Jb.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2003333]IMHO FKK girls win for beauty, but thai girls win for service and performance. [/QUOTE]Actually very few FKK girls are exceptionally pretty, and quite a few dogs, same as Thailand. So really only white skin is the advantage for some. It's likely you have a personal bias towards European looks. Venues with nice looking Thai girls can be found.
Thermae or a high end Soapy may be comparable to an FKK, except that unfortunately the girls are not nude.
If you want to fuck very so so looking pornstars, then Thailand is the best place, if you go to pornstar MP venues.
I can find very acceptable looks with great performance from both alternatives, with sex skills superior in FKK over Thailand in general.
However for money spent in a day of mongering, or in several consecutive days, Thailand should be significantly cheaper. In FKK, it is possible to spend quite big on several girls. Relatively few customers are confining themselves to just one session per day. No one should bother to come to Thailand just for a day or two of mongering. It's only worthwhile over a longer period.
If needing expensive dentistry done, flight to Thailand will pay for itself, in dentist savings.
Within the last 3 months, I done 7 days in Bangkok and 3 Days In FKK Frankfurt / Germany.
We all know the format in each country and the related costs etc. I was flying in from Spain, so my costs of flight to Germany was $200 and was $500 to Bangkok, so $300 in difference.
Summary.
Bangkok.
City. Its dynamic, intoxicating and exciting. The only place on this planet that anything can happen at anytime.
Girls. Mostly average, but occasionally stunning. I search high and low for the stunners, and when I find one, I work very hard to turn her into a freebie for a future holiday. It worked again from my last trip and the stunner and I go to Bali next month for a 7 day vacation. . Naturally my other 6 days in Bangkok were spent Soi Cowboy, Soapy Massage Joint and the FL scene / Mixx / Spasso, Bars etc. I paid for 8 girls and nothing below a 7/10.
Summary. Thailand for me. I get off the plane smiling, continue smiling for 7 days, then go home happy every-time.
Frankfurt- 3 FKKS.
City. Miserable, but functional.
FKKS. Palace - Shark. OASE - 95% Romanian Girls - 50 euro fuck / Quality - 4/10 to 7/10. Did not see any stunners in any of the bigs 3 clubs.
Summary. Its serves a purpose I guess, one giant conveyor belt of fucking. Just not my thing, Romanians just don't make me happy, LOL.
Cost of Trips. All included / Flights / Hotel / Girls.
Thailand- 7 Days- $2000- Sex 10 Girls.
FKK Germany- 3 Days- $1500 Sex 6 Girls.
Thailand wins every time for me. Better food, Better Weather, Better Women, Better Atmosphere, and most importantly cheaper.
Cheers MS.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2003216]Biggest issue with Thailand now is looks. When I look at the escorts in the China forum, they really are stunning and 90 min for about 140 USD. When all in that is a better deal than most GoGo gals in Thailand and for real lookers. White skin, great bodies, no baby. Also compare that to what the oldies are charging at Spaso these days.[/QUOTE]You mean that dozen or so photos in the China Classified ads forum? Repeated [I]ad nauseam[/I] and heavily photoshopped and if indeed of the escort, probably taken years ago?
Honestly I cannot say that the looks of the Thai agogo girls has gone down in the 6 years or so I have been visiting Thailand.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2003508]You mean that dozen or so photos in the China Classified ads forum? Repeated [I]ad nauseam[/I] and heavily photoshopped and if indeed of the escort, probably taken years ago?
Honestly I cannot say that the looks of the Thai agogo girls has gone down in the 6 years or so I have been visiting Thailand.[/QUOTE]In the 15 years I have lived here I would say the GoGo, FL, and MP standards have changed quite a bit. Now you either get plastic surgery nightmares, gals who hit the 7/11 snacks to much, or oldies. The selection was more stocked with natural beauties years ago. And most were thin. Gals that have a modicum of sense are working on the net these days. The GoGos, MPs, oilies, and FLs out there are kind of the dregs.
When it comes to escorts, take a look at the HK sites. Compare prices and looks to what you see here on like sites. No comparison. And prices in HK now actually cheaper. And again, you can bet the Chinese dudes are demanding and getting good service.
[QUOTE=AsianRain;2003390]ASIA IS NOT A CHEAP QUALITY FUCK DESTINATION ANYMORE.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this is true.
[QUOTE=AsianRain;2003390]Cost being what it is, if I were living in Southern California I would be driving down to Mexico to live like a sex tourist king on the devalued peso. Exchange rates matter, but only in limited temporal cases IMHO and the market adjusts quickly. I find the discussion below interesting not for the bickering about price, but more from the angle that shows that mongers have an immense variety of choices to make and, depending on their diverse (or perverse) preferences, they can choose a wide variety of venues with product to suit tastes and budgets. Thailand being what it is today, no way would I cram myself into an economy class seat for 10+ hours to pay for what is on the public menu at most Asian venues today. ASIA IS NOT A CHEAP QUALITY FUCK DESTINATION ANYMORE. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Spot on. I have friends in SoCal and they don't come to Asia anymore. It's too expensive compared with Mexico and parts South. When I moved to Thailand in 99 the average lay from a GoGo ran me 1 k plus 500 BF. That was about 37 USD. In Mexico cost was about 50 USD at the time. So Thailand was better VFM by far. Mexico has seen a price increase but not to the extent Thailand has. I have found that "markets" only adjust one way, and that's up. Prices in LOS for P4 P did not adjust down when the Baht went from 44 to 29 to the USD. In fact, they increased.
And your last statement is so true. Sad really. Although it seems Jakarta is still priced quite well. And the health centers in KL are not ridiculous either. I will stick to the fact that when we fish in the same pond as the locals, for the most part prices and service are better. Thailand of course is the exception with many Thai men paying far more than we do. Thailand is an outlier in so many ways.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2003158]Why go to Thailand VS Germany / Switzerland?[/QUOTE]I spent 5 years going to FKK clubs and amassed well over 500+ club visits. Is it really cheaper in Germany? First you have to pay 2,600 baht or so for club entry. Then you need to rent a car at about 10,000 baht per week to go to the various clubs, especially in the best FKK area, Dusseldorf. Hotels are comparable in price as there are good cheap accommodations in both countries. There are VERY few hot German girls working in Germany. It's mainly Romanians most without much passion. 1840 baht per 30 minutes so 1 hour is 3,680 baht. Add to that an extra 1,840 baht per each of CIM, anal, COB, etc. DFK is also not a guarantee. Soon BBBJ will be at least another 1,840 baht. People complain about how expensive even a gogo girl is but I get them on their days off so no barfine and 3000-4000 baht for up to 18 hours. 1 hour at a place like Soi 6 in Pattaya for 1,350 baht. CIM, anal, etc. all included. Sure not all the Thai girls are hot but the same can be said for most of the Romanians. A top looker Romanian is super hot but top gogo girls in Pattaya and BKK ain't too shabby either.
As for Switzerland, just double the price of everything in Germany. Hotels maybe triple.
I do not have an Asian bias. In fact, for my entire life I preferred Caucasian girls over Asian girls yet I still think Thailand is a clear winner over Germany. The passion and kindheartedness some of these Thai girls have is amazing. 5 years of Romanians and I think I met maybe 3 of them with the same characteristics.
Thermae the freelancer bar in the basement of the Ruamchitt hotel is having a large selection of girls. Some are pretty hot and the actual pricing is ST 2500 and LT 5000 (no barfine needed).
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2003632]Although it seems Jakarta is still priced quite well. [/QUOTE]The average price of a free lancer in Jakarta is close to 100 usd. So free lancers are not cheap in Jakarta. If you are looking for a non free lance experience with a down market brothel girl for one hour in a room inside that brothel, yes, those are cheap. I prefer bringing girls to my own room, so I actually prefer Bangkok over Jakarta. It's about the same price to bring a girl to your room in Jakarta or Bangkok, but there are more options for that in Bangkok. Most of the action in jakarta are brothels where taking a girl out of there is cost prohibitive.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2003508]You mean that dozen or so photos in the China Classified ads forum? Repeated [I]ad nauseam[/I] and heavily photoshopped and if indeed of the escort, probably taken years ago?
Honestly I cannot say that the looks of the Thai agogo girls has gone down in the 6 years or so I have been visiting Thailand.[/QUOTE]I have to say I'm a bit skeptical about the decline as well. I want to see guys post their pics of stunners from many years ago. I checked my old photos. I was merely less fussy in those days. I actually prefer the looks of my girls in last 2 or 3 years for the most part.
I do accept there is an adverse effect from plastic surgery disasters, and from western junk food, e. G. Slurpies, however the better looking girls can still be found somewhere, perhaps not so much in the Oily MPs.
In my home country, young girls are vastly better looking than when I was 20 YO. Can Thailand realistically have declined for looks. I doubt it. Just the beauties are not desperate enough to take a shit job like an Oily.
Guys' tastes in girls changes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2003661]IIn my home country, young girls are vastly better looking than when I was 20 YO. Can Thailand realistically have declined for looks. I doubt it. Just the beauties are not desperate enough to take a shit job like an Oily.
Guys' tastes in girls changes.[/QUOTE]Really? In my home country they are all fat by that age. Far less better looking than they were when I was young.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2003656]The average price of a free lancer in Jakarta is close to 100 usd. So free lancers are not cheap in Jakarta. If you are looking for a non free lance experience with a down market brothel girl for one hour in a room inside that brothel, yes, those are cheap. I prefer bringing girls to my own room, so I actually prefer Bangkok over Jakarta. It's about the same price to bring a girl to your room in Jakarta or Bangkok, but there are more options for that in Bangkok. Most of the action in jakarta are brothels where taking a girl out of there is cost prohibitive.[/QUOTE]Not that expensive if you stay out of the hotel bars.
[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2002977][B]Demonia. Jun[/B]
Don't see a lot of reports on this place, so I thought I'd contribute.[/QUOTE]Thanks JiveMofo for the report on Demonia. We rarely hear much about the [I]aggressive play[/I] side of things, so it is good to have some color applied to the available options.
SL.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2003702]Not that expensive if you stay out of the hotel bars.[/QUOTE]Oh ya? Where can you find good cheap free lancers in Jakarta? Even the girls at the down market Blok M bars charge 1 million rupiah if they are good looking. I don't consider the girls at Lokasari worth taking home so I am excluding them. It's rare to find any girl there who I'd rate above a 6 out of 10. I'd put those Lokasari girls in the same category as the girls standing in front of Nana hotel. I've lived in Jakarta for 20 years. In the past, there were plenty of free lancers and they were reasonably priced. Now the market has completely changed. The best looking girls now work in brothels with 1 hour short time rooms. The days where you could chat up a hot free lancer over a beer and take her home for a decent price disappeared about 10 years ago. I was in Bangkok the past week and took what I consider to be a true stunner home almost every night. It cost bar fine plus 2500 baht short time, but the quality was good. I find it hard to find free lance of that quality in Jakarta unless it's extremely expensive.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2003656]The average price of a free lancer in Jakarta is close to 100 usd. So free lancers are not cheap in Jakarta. If you are looking for a non free lance experience with a down market brothel girl for one hour in a room inside that brothel, yes, those are cheap. I prefer bringing girls to my own room, so I actually prefer Bangkok over Jakarta. It's about the same price to bring a girl to your room in Jakarta or Bangkok, but there are more options for that in Bangkok. Most of the action in jakarta are brothels where taking a girl out of there is cost prohibitive.[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree with this. I like splurging on a top hotel and taking girl there but can only do it easy at Bangkok (although not easy with the 101 Premiere girls).
Finding girls in Jakarta for the hotel not easy, I make plans with brothel girls for hotel visit after they finish but they always too tired after since finishing at midnight or later and then its just a waste.
But yeah some of the Jakarta brothel rooms are way better than Bangkok massage rooms, so its a trade off.
To add a third country, I like KL and the fact you can hit their brothels / hotel brothels till 6 am. Not sure you can do that in Jakarta or where to do that in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=AsianRain;2003390]Assuming that THB4,000 just for the girl's service, if you add on the 700 b bar fine and very minimalist drinks / tip of 500 b, then you end up at THB5,200 "total cost" for a better end go go bar LT experience. That's circa USD150.
Interestingly, I just got back from Manila where I went to the EDSA Complex go go bars and did a takeout. Damage was exactly the same. Bar was PHP1,950 barfine plus p400 for minimalist drinks. LT was PHP5,000, so total was PHP7,350 all-in, which is the equivalent of THB5,100. So cost was pretty much at par. The quality I got was every bit as good, if not better, than anything I could have gotten at the subjectively "better" go go venues like Crazy House, etc. In BKK. In fact, for me it was absolutely better. The quality and experience I had from this girl was so good during our first round that I kept her overnight, something that I hadn't done in over 7 years (if that says anything). If it had been a short time (which was my original intention), then I could have knocked off PHP2,000, which still keeps it on par with BKK.
The cost for high quality from tourist or "public-oriented" venues like go go bars has gotten way out of hand. But it is what it is. If you can't afford it, then I say to mongers better to manage your expectations. If your wallet is a constraint, you can try your luck in freelance bars, try the soapies/oilies, use chat apps or trawl the streets for alternatives.
Cost being what it is, if I were living in Southern California I would be driving down to Mexico to live like a sex tourist king on the devalued peso. Exchange rates matter, but only in limited temporal cases IMHO and the market adjusts quickly. I find the discussion below interesting not for the bickering about price, but more from the angle that shows that mongers have an immense variety of choices to make and, depending on their diverse (or perverse) preferences, they can choose a wide variety of venues with product to suit tastes and budgets. Thailand being what it is today, no way would I cram myself into an economy class seat for 10+ hours to pay for what is on the public menu at most Asian venues today. ASIA IS NOT A CHEAP QUALITY FUCK DESTINATION ANYMORE. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Funny how you just quoted the high end numbers of my post. What about the 1,900-2,500? And what about if I choose a freelancer at Climax for example? What barfine? I find these price discussions very old but when I see a member post something completely inaccurate, I will speak op.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2003774]Funny how you just quoted the high end numbers of my post. What about the 1,900-2,500?[/QUOTE]Funny how you didn't get past the first paragraph of my post. If you had, you would have seen that I also benchmarked to short time, which was also about the same.
[I]If it had been a short time (which was my original intention), then I could have knocked off PHP2,000, which still keeps it on par with BKK.[/I]
Will try to type slower next time. Huhu. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2003638]I spent 5 years going to FKK clubs and amassed well over 500+ club visits. Is it really cheaper in Germany?[/QUOTE]There are for sure exceptions from the venues you mentioned. If you go to Grimbergsauna (Gelsenkirchen) or FKK Arabella (Bochum) you pay 30 Euro (roughly 1. 200 THB) entrance fee and 30 minutes with all inclusive (incl. Anal, CIM) will cost 1. 200 THB on top. Most girls are from Romania or Bulgaria, most of them are no stunners, but usually more than doable. IMHO great bang for your buck.
I had the best sex and best service there . . . outside of Thailand ; )
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2003638]I spent 5 years going to FKK clubs and amassed well over 500+ club visits. Is it really cheaper in Germany? First you have to pay 2,600 baht or so for club entry. Then you need to rent a car at about 10,000 baht per week to go to the various clubs, especially in the best FKK area, Dusseldorf. Hotels are comparable in price as there are good cheap accommodations in both countries. There are VERY few hot German girls working in Germany. It's mainly Romanians most without much passion. 1840 baht per 30 minutes so 1 hour is 3,680 baht. Add to that an extra 1,840 baht per each of CIM, anal, COB, etc. DFK is also not a guarantee. Soon BBBJ will be at least another 1,840 baht. People complain about how expensive even a gogo girl is but I get them on their days off so no barfine and 3000-4000 baht for up to 18 hours. 1 hour at a place like Soi 6 in Pattaya for 1,350 baht. CIM, anal, etc. all included. Sure not all the Thai girls are hot but the same can be said for most of the Romanians. A top looker Romanian is super hot but top gogo girls in Pattaya and BKK ain't too shabby either.
As for Switzerland, just double the price of everything in Germany. Hotels maybe triple.
I do not have an Asian bias. In fact, for my entire life I preferred Caucasian girls over Asian girls yet I still think Thailand is a clear winner over Germany. The passion and kindheartedness some of these Thai girls have is amazing. 5 years of Romanians and I think I met maybe 3 of them with the same characteristics.[/QUOTE]Well said.
Jb.
[QUOTE=Zauberfee;2003789]There are for sure exceptions from the venues you mentioned. If you go to Grimbergsauna (Gelsenkirchen) or FKK Arabella (Bochum) you pay 30 Euro (roughly 1. 200 THB) entrance fee and 30 minutes with all inclusive (incl. Anal, CIM) will cost 1. 200 THB on top. Most girls are from Romania or Bulgaria, most of them are no stunners, but usually more than doable. IMHO great bang for your buck.
I had the best sex and best service there . . . outside of Thailand ; )[/QUOTE]I have to put those two places on my list.
For about 10 years I have been frequenting (time and money allowing) the big FKKs in Berlin and Hessen, spending 400-900 euros per day. Last December I made two visits to Dietzenbach and had a total of five sessions (including 3 threesomes) for less than 240 euros (plus 2 x 40 euro entrance fee). I enjoyed those visits as much as I have enjoyed the FKKs which have more stunners. This February I spent 6 days in Angeles and went well below my 200 euro daily budget (excluding accommodation and airfare) and had two of the best sexual encounters of my life.
For a mongering vacation, my current situation allows for budgeting about 3000 euros / week. Even a one week trip to Bkk from Europe becomes worthwhile if you buy your tickets in advance (500 euros) and stay in reasonably cheap accommodation (1000 baht / night). That would leave about 12 000 baht for food, local transportation and mongering. For 12 000 bahts, you could have multiple sessions at soapies and MPs, spend 2 hours with four ladies at Tulip, spend few hours or a night with 2 or 3 FLs or have some combination of above. Airfare to Germany plus a cheap (40 euro / night) hotel for a week will set me back about 440 euros. That would leave 365 euros for food, transportation (I would not want to spend 7 consecutive days at one FKK) and the hobby. I would feel very limited with my choices (threesomes, CIM, anal) with that budget in a big FKK.
For variety on a budget, Bangkok is currently my number one choice. I also agree with BananaBoi on the kindheartedness of Thais. I have been toying, though, with the idea of starting my trip to Thailand from Frankfurt with maybe a stopover in HKG or SIN on the way back.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2003733]Oh ya? Where can you find good cheap free lancers in Jakarta? Even the girls at the down market Blok M bars charge 1 million rupiah if they are good looking. I don't consider the girls at Lokasari worth taking home so I am excluding them. It's rare to find any girl there who I'd rate above a 6 out of 10. I'd put those Lokasari girls in the same category as the girls standing in front of Nana hotel. I've lived in Jakarta for 20 years. In the past, there were plenty of free lancers and they were reasonably priced. Now the market has completely changed. The best looking girls now work in brothels with 1 hour short time rooms. The days where you could chat up a hot free lancer over a beer and take her home for a decent price disappeared about 10 years ago. I was in Bangkok the past week and took what I consider to be a true stunner home almost every night. It cost bar fine plus 2500 baht short time, but the quality was good. I find it hard to find free lance of that quality in Jakarta unless it's extremely expensive.[/QUOTE]Not a FL guy. Prefer the brothels. And the chat app scene is quite vibrant and less expensive than the hotel bars.
I couldn't resist chipping in on this controversy. Look at this website (Bangkok Escort). If I'm not mistaken it is supposed to feature "top" girls.
https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok.com/all-girls
Compare the girls to the LU at Oase, Sharks or any of the good FKKs. Which of the two are WAAAAY better-looking?
First off, the Thai girls have geezer's faces. If they were just a bit taller they could easily pass as ladyboys.
Second, many Thai girls are positioning themselves so as to hide their lower body. Look ma no butt!
Third, the pics are photoshopped, which is never a good sign.
I thought I'd unearthed a real stunner among them untill I noticed she was a he (https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok.com/gallery/guitar-age-20-ladyboy-163)
[QUOTE=XXL;2003923]I couldn't resist chipping in on this controversy. Look at this website (Bangkok Escort). If I'm not mistaken it is supposed to feature "top" girls.
https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok.com/all-girls[/QUOTE]So; your opinions of Thai woman and the Thailand P4 P scene are based on a single random website?
LOL you should have resisted.
SL.
[QUOTE=XXL;2003923]Compare the girls to the LU at Oase, Sharks or any of the good FKKs. Which of the two are WAAAAY better-looking?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Oase or Sharks for a while. Any face pics to show us so we can compare?
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2003959]So; your opinions of Thai woman and the Thailand P4 P scene are based on a single random website?
LOL you should have resisted.
SL.[/QUOTE]+1 on that. There are plenty of web sites not impressing me, however I am not even going to look at that one. I assume that plenty of guys will think the girls there look pretty damn good (even it may not be my taste). I am sure they don't generally look like LBs, regardless of height. Do we have some gross exaggeration?
P.S. Sharks has very limited stunners for face looks. Some good bodies, yes. It all depends on personal taste. There is no stunning girl pulling me back there consistently.
Upon looking at the website's you provided I agree, but I just spent 3 days for approximately 6 hours a day in FKK Oase, Palace and Sharks and never found anything stunning. I found a lot of slim Romanian girl who I would rate a 7/10, but nothing more attractive than that. Don't get me wrong, I have seen some stunning Eastern Chicks in my life, but just not in the FKK's in the last few years.
Last December I was in Thailand for a week, and although I have been several times to Bangkok I have still never used an Escort site. With so many other options for getting laid, I just have never felt the need to take that chance. I much prefer to establish a little chemistry and see what I am taking back to my hotel before I pay.
Maybe I was lucky this time in Bangkok, but I can say with complete confidence that the Freelancers I took back to my hotel from the High End Clubs in Bangkok were much more attractive than anything I seen in the FKKS. Not only that, they had much more pleasant personalities, were much more fun to be with, and cost $150 for 12 hours of there time.
Undoubtedly, both FKK's and Bangkok are both excellent in there own right. For me personally though, if I was mongering in Europe I would choose the Spanish clubs over the FKK's for short time sex. In these clubs there are no entrance costs, and you get an excellent mix of Latin and Eastern European Women for approx 70 euro for 30 minutes. Rather than 95% Romanians, which as a culture are normally ruthless, emotionless robots.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2003959]So; your opinions of Thai woman and the Thailand P4 P scene are based on a single random website?
[/QUOTE]Not random. I had first picked the Bangkok escort site that advertises on this forum but I thought better of it and replaced it by one that doesn't advertise here. The one that advertises had a much worse line-up though.
Here you see quite a few faces. Most importantly, you see flesh. No photoshop. Some of these pics give me a tingling in the trouser department:
http://www.goldentime.de/index.php/preise/girls
I'm pretty sure that [URL]Smooci.com[/URL] is going to put a pretty big dent in escorts services in BKK.
[QUOTE=XXL;2003968]Here you see quite a few faces. Most importantly, you see flesh. No photoshop. Some of these pics give me a tingling in the trouser department:
http://www.goldentime.de/index.php/preise/girls[/QUOTE]Imo you're not helping your argument by saying the girls in your link are better than the top Thai girls. We clearly have a different opinion on what a pretty face looks like. Mine is not a porn star looking over-the-hill blonde. I never understood why GT used face pics like these to promote themselves. They do have very pretty girls. I absolutely agree GT has facial stunners but not those on their site.
I'm sure you recognize my name from the GT thread. I'm GT's 2nd biggest fan after PL. I love GT but I also love the lineup in some of the top Pattaya gogo bars as well.
[QUOTE=Achmmc;2003975]I'm pretty sure that [URL]Smooci.com[/URL] is going to put a pretty big dent in escorts services in BKK.[/QUOTE]They seem to have some sort of arrangement with escort services as all escort agencies are on this app. IMHO, smooci is going to increase sales of escort agencies who affiliate with it.
Guys like me who usually would not try an escort in bkk would give smooci a try because it has all girls at one place and tracking mechanism. Discount given is added bonus.
[QUOTE=XXL;2003968]
Here you see quite a few faces. Most importantly, you see flesh. No photoshop. Some of these pics give me a tingling in the trouser department:
http://www.goldentime.de/index.php/preise/girls[/QUOTE]LOL, I would not fuck some of the girls in that link for free. Now, I am having second thoughts about my summer trip to Germany.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2003987] I never understood why GT used face pics like these to promote themselves. [/QUOTE]I guess they do so because they're not allowed to show faces unless they make the whole thing look as some sort of acting or masquerade. Hence the clownishness.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;2003988]They seem to have some sort of arrangement with escort services as all escort agencies are on this app. IMHO, smooci is going to increase sales of escort agencies who affiliate with it. Guys like me who usually would not try an escort in bkk would give smooci a try because it has all girls at one place and tracking mechanism. Discount given is added bonus.[/QUOTE]. Certainly Smooci prices trend lower, guaranteed availability window, nice Ubber like tracking of the girl in route. And the rating / feedback star system (if it can be trusted) is helpful as well. My understanding is that the girls do not have to be affiliated with an agency to be listed with Smooci. Stickman's column is / and has publicized Smooci. I want to see it be successful so I can use it later this year. DK why it wouldn't, I think it can only gain momentum.
Yeap, there must be some "arrangement" with other agencies that tolerates some of their girls working outside of their system.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2003812]Not a FL guy. Prefer the brothels. And the chat app scene is quite vibrant and less expensive than the hotel bars.[/QUOTE]I agree that brothels in Jakarta are cheap. As far as chat apps, I have had over a hundred girls come to my room from chat apps. But if paying the girl, it's not cheap. They still want a million rupiah. And it's hit or miss with that. I prefer going to a place where I can meet a girl in person, chat her up, and take her home if I like her. I do think Bangkok is a better option for those who prefer taking girls to their own room.
[QUOTE=AsianRain;2003781]Funny how you didn't get past the first paragraph of my post. If you had, you would have seen that I also benchmarked to short time, which was also about the same.
[I]If it had been a short time (which was my original intention), then I could have knocked off PHP2,000, which still keeps it on par with BKK.[/I]
Will try to type slower next time. Huhu. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]I don't care about what you say is on par or not with BKK. Posting false comments by not considering all the choices is misleading to the members and you are totally wrong.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2004098]I agree that brothels in Jakarta are cheap. As far as chat apps, I have had over a hundred girls come to my room from chat apps. But if paying the girl, it's not cheap. They still want a million rupiah. And it's hit or miss with that. I prefer going to a place where I can meet a girl in person, chat her up, and take her home if I like her. I do think Bangkok is a better option for those who prefer taking girls to their own room.[/QUOTE]1 million is 2600 Baht. That's not going to get you a good GoGo gal in BKK when you add in BF and drinks. Could easily be double that.
Hi everyone,
While I have been many times mongering in Philippines, next month I will be in BKK for work for 3 days, and I never been there. I will have 3 free afternoons and nights, and would like to optimize my time. I'm asking to the experienced members where to go considering the short time I have, and the deep sessions I would like to enjoy.
In the afternoons, after lunch, I would like to try the 3 best massage parlors in town for a couple hours fun, better if the place allows to take 2 girls at time in the room. Which place I will not have to miss? It's only 3 days, so I will not care to spend a little more than usual, unless I can find some really hotties, in the early 20's and very very skinny (my favorite).
In the 3 nights, I would like to organize 3 some.
Somebody earlier suggested me to stay in the Sukhumvit's area, mainly because I will be very near to the action. Is that correct?
Thanks a lot guys for the help, and if you need some info about Philippines, Manila, Cebu, Angeles or whatever I'm here.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2004160]1 million is 2600 Baht. That's not going to get you a good GoGo gal in BKK when you add in BF and drinks. Could easily be double that.[/QUOTE]The girls I was taking in Bangkok from the go-gos last week were FAR nicer quality than those 1 million rupiah internet chicks in Jakarta. There are girls in Jakarta as nice as those top go-go chicks, but they want 2 or 3 million. There were a ton of girls on tinder in Bangkok more than willing to come to my room for 2500 baht. But again, I do prefer meeting the girl in person first and chatting her up a bit first. I'm not saying Bangkok is cheap. It's the same price as Jakarta for free lancers of any given quality level. However, there is more selection for the type of girls that will come to your room in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2003723]Thanks JiveMofo for the report on Demonia. We rarely hear much about the [I]aggressive play[/I] side of things, so it is good to have some color applied to the available options.
SL.[/QUOTE]Sure. I'd recommend it for those interested in trying out the BDSM scene, however, as noted, I wouldn't expect a truly authentic experience. Also, Jun told me that most of the customers are actually looking to be dominated / pegged. Not my thing however so can't speak to the quality there.
Asian Rain is good at making false comments and he will never apologize for them when he is caught. The guy is a first class asshole.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2004118]I don't care about what you say is on par or not with BKK. Posting false comments by not considering all the choices is misleading to the members and you are totally wrong.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2004118]I don't care about what you say is on par or not with BKK. Posting false comments by not considering all the choices is misleading to the members and you are totally wrong.[/QUOTE]Yawn. You have the filthy habit of quibbling with everybody about everything about nothing of importance. Most members have the facutly to make up their own minds about what is fact and what is opinion. Stop biting your nails and get back to boring us with your vivid posts about 10,000 bhat date girls and chat app uni girls. We welcome those who adhere to the topic and contribute. So get that chip of your shoulder and sleep well in the assurance that your posts are infinitely more useful and interesting than mooch D Cups endless juvenile posts about "boobies" and his day-by-day Bataan death march count to never-going-to-happen retirement in the sticks of the Philippines. You are well above that par. Huhu. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
[QUOTE=Frommmm;2004166]In the afternoons, after lunch, I would like to try the 3 best massage parlors in town for a couple hours fun, better if the place allows to take 2 girls at time in the room. Which place I will not have to miss? It's only 3 days, so I will not care to spend a little more than usual, unless I can find some really hotties, in the early 20's and very very skinny (my favorite).[/QUOTE]The answer will depend on what you mean by "best massage parlors". Even "massage parlor" means different things. Do you want a real massage followed by a happy ending, or is the massage only a pretext for a PSE session? And if so, is your preference for an "oilie" or a "soapie" style salon? As you like very very skinny, an oilie style salon is probably more to your liking; soapie body-to-body massages with skinny ladies are not fun (in my opinion).
[QUOTE=Frommmm;2004166]
In the 3 nights, I would like to organize 3 some. [/QUOTE]The only sure-fire way to get a threesome where the girls will interact with each other is to go to the Eden Club in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. Some like it much, others hate it.
Picking two girls at random from the street or from a bar or agogo-club, is unlikely to get you a good threesome session. Most likely you will fuck them sequentially, and the non-active girl will watch TV or play with her smartphone. Or hides in the bathroom. Seasoned BKK monghers may have found "winning" combinations. Unlikely you can do that in 3 days only, unless you are extremely lucky.
[QUOTE=Frommmm;2004166]Somebody earlier suggested me to stay in the Sukhumvit's area, mainly because I will be very near to the action. Is that correct?[/QUOTE]Sukhumvit Road is one of the longest roads in Thailand. It starts in Bangkok and ends at the Cambodian border. Make sure that you are at the right end of the road! Any hotel not far away from the Asoke skytrain station will be ok. Look in the Bangkok hotel thread for more info.
As for myself, I enjoy watching Asian Rain youtube videos about sin in Thailand. Well done, whether the same guy or different.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2004160]1 million is 2600 Baht. That's not going to get you a good GoGo gal in BKK when you add in BF and drinks. Could easily be double that.[/QUOTE]
For me, those 1 million rupiah (2600 baht) freelancers in Jakarta are an equivalent of the 1000 baht freelancers in Bangkok a few years ago. Similar to what Mr. Goatscrot once eloquently said, I still think their service is worth about 1000 baht, although the prices certainly went up over the years.
To be satisfied at the 2600 baht level, I'd need either a Tulip-level service, exceptional looks, or both. Compared to prices of other goods in Indonesia, it gets even worse -- 1m rupiah is 2-4 hotel nights in Bali, and these days they often have a cheek to ask well over 1m. I like Bali... and they even have a few acceptable 250k (650 baht) ST houses there.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2004224]The girls I was taking in Bangkok from the go-gos last week were FAR nicer quality than those 1 million rupiah internet chicks in Jakarta. There are girls in Jakarta as nice as those top go-go chicks, but they want 2 or 3 million. There were a ton of girls on tinder in Bangkok more than willing to come to my room for 2500 baht. But again, I do prefer meeting the girl in person first and chatting her up a bit first. I'm not saying Bangkok is cheap. It's the same price as Jakarta for free lancers of any given quality level. However, there is more selection for the type of girls that will come to your room in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Smoothy, with all due respect; not to my eye. I rarely see any BKK GoGo gals that I find attractive. I am just not interested in paying big money for Isaan looks.
I've read the forums and have an idea of Bangkok. I'm in Bangkok soon and am wondering how easily it is to take a girl home from one of the g clubs (E. G. Pimp). I'm in my late 20's, athletic build and don't mind spending money at the clubs. What I would like to avoid is to spend a few hours there and not be able to take someone back. Understand that one should speak to the mamas but if there a way to increase the odds?
The comparison between Germany and Thailand is empty due to several difference in essence.
In Thailand, the working women are mostly Asian (Thai), while in Germany the working women are mostly Eastern European (Romanian).
For Europeans from Europe, Thai women of course have more attraction due to the exotic factor.
For Asians from Asia, Romanian women of course have more attraction due to exotic factor.
As for people from North America or other well-known melting pot countries where you are already mingling with women of all sorts of race, it depends.
The best way is to arrange two one-week vacation to both places respectively, try them both in a laid-back way, and after that you will find out what really suits you most.
My suggestion to all Asian fellows (Asian Asian, Asian American / Canadian, or whatever Asian you are) is no doubt to visit German FKK Sauna Clubs.
Trust me, Eastern European women (Romanian women) are far better than Asian women. LOL.
[QUOTE=AsianRain;2004324]Yawn. You have the filthy habit of quibbling with everybody about everything about nothing of importance. Most members have the facutly to make up their own minds about what is fact and what is opinion. Stop biting your nails and get back to boring us with your vivid posts about 10,000 bhat date girls and chat app uni girls. We welcome those who adhere to the topic and contribute. So get that chip of your shoulder and sleep well in the assurance that your posts are infinitely more useful and interesting than mooch D Cups endless juvenile posts about "boobies" and his day-by-day Bataan death march count to never-going-to-happen retirement in the sticks of the Philippines. You are well above that par. Huhu. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]When I see one of your posts in the reports of distinction thread then you can talk to me. Until then, enjoy making your Cheap Charlie vids. They are suitable for some people and I must say you are good at it. Moving forward, If you don't like Thailand, then I suggest you stop commenting in the Thailand forum. If I don't like something, I stay away. So why are you still here commenting in a forum about a location you hate? By the way, enjoy the Philippines, I hear it's great and plan to go someday. Nothing personal.
Thanks, Asia Rain. Glad to see you are still reading my posts. You can go fuck yourself in the ass now you worthless lying puke.
[QUOTE=PeterCat123;2004698]I've read the forums and have an idea of Bangkok. I'm in Bangkok soon and am wondering how easily it is to take a girl home from one of the g clubs (E. G. Pimp). I'm in my late 20's, athletic build and don't mind spending money at the clubs. What I would like to avoid is to spend a few hours there and not be able to take someone back. Understand that one should speak to the mamas but if there a way to increase the odds?[/QUOTE]Increasing the odds by doing more than speaking to the Moma? If you speak to the Moma, you are guaranteed if you make a firm arrangement with her. Don't just tell her you want to meet a lady open to the idea. Firm up the lady and the price with the Moma before attending the club. Add them on their line app and discuss there. She will send you the ladies photo and make a booking for you to spend time drinking with her. You will however pay a huge fee. I prefer to go there, choose a lady for one hour, if she not game, cut her loose and choose another.
[QUOTE=Frommmm;2004166]Hi everyone,
While I have been many times mongering in Philippines, next month I will be in BKK for work for 3 days, and I never been there. I will have 3 free afternoons and nights, and would like to optimize my time. I'm asking to the experienced members where to go considering the short time I have, and the deep sessions I would like to enjoy.
In the afternoons, after lunch, I would like to try the 3 best massage parlors in town for a couple hours fun, better if the place allows to take 2 girls at time in the room. Which place I will not have to miss? It's only 3 days, so I will not care to spend a little more than usual, unless I can find some really hotties, in the early 20's and very very skinny (my favorite).
In the 3 nights, I would like to organize 3 some.
Somebody earlier suggested me to stay in the Sukhumvit's area, mainly because I will be very near to the action. Is that correct?
Thanks a lot guys for the help, and if you need some info about Philippines, Manila, Cebu, Angeles or whatever I'm here.[/QUOTE]Stay betweeen Sukhumbit Soi 2-33. Nana and Prompong. That will give you access to all the bars, massage shops, and the two main red light districts, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. Sofitel Sukhumvit and the Four Points Sheridan are near Thermae, a famous freelancer bar and very near to Soi Cowboy.
As for ideas about a threesome, if you want a sure thing, go to the Eden club. However, if I was you, I would go to Susie Wong and find 2 girls there. Another option is 2 good friends working as freelancers at Climax. I personally like the hunt so that's why I would choose that option. Search the Go go bars for 2 ladies that seem close, it won't be easy but the rewards could be high.
Moving to the massage parlors. I recommend Snow White on Soi 26 and Lords and Emaual on Ratchada. You will get the snooty hot Thai girl on Ratchada and then the PSE girl from Snow White. Good luck mate.
[QUOTE=PeterCat123;2004698]I'm in my late 20's, athletic build and don't mind spending money at the clubs. What I would like to avoid is to spend a few hours there and not be able to take someone back. Understand that one should speak to the mamas but if there a way to increase the odds?[/QUOTE]Dude you are at a serious disadvantage being young and fit. Girls will assume you to be one of those guys looking to score freebies in Asia. You will have to flash lot of cash to attract attention of 9+ stunners while average girls would be game for freebie but you would not travel so much for average would you?
I have a question I haven't seen so I thought I would ask away. I am staying in Bangkok for the majority of my stay (Dynasty Grande) but I am thinking of going to Pattaya for a weekend. My question is the following: should I check out of the Dynasty when I go to Pattaya or just reserve my room for the full duration of my stay and take a small bag with me down to Pattaya. Also on a side note I was curious if anyone was able to negotiate a better rate when contacting the hotel reservation group directly. I tried this but they quoted me a rate that is higher than their own website, made no sense to me.
Thank you for any feedback.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;2004924]Dude you are at a serious disadvantage being young and fit. [/QUOTE]It depends. The lady boys are all over those guys who are young and fit.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;2004924]Dude you are at a serious disadvantage being young and fit. Girls will assume you to be one of those guys looking to score freebies in Asia. You will have to flash lot of cash to attract attention of 9+ stunners while average girls would be game for freebie but you would not travel so much for average would you?[/QUOTE]Ummm. Yeah. Right.
Even p4 p girls would rather go with an attractive guy than one that is not. Age doesn't matter as much. But its still a factor.
I doubt any working girls will reject you because you are young. Just don't wait for them to come to you. When you see something you like go get it and prepare to pay just like the old, out of shape guys do.
Being young and fit you should also give the dating sites a shot. But it is time consuming and probably not worth it if you are only in town for a few days. If you are there for longer start chatting with girls a few weeks before your trip.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2005022]Ummm. Yeah. Right.
Even p4 p girls would rather go with an attractive guy than one that is not. Age doesn't matter as much. But its still a factor.
I doubt any working girls will reject you because you are young. Just don't wait for them to come to you. When you see something you like go get it and prepare to pay just like the old, out of shape guys do.
Being young and fit you should also give the dating sites a shot. But it is time consuming and probably not worth it if you are only in town for a few days. If you are there for longer start chatting with girls a few weeks before your trip.[/QUOTE]May I add from own experience: Malls & 7 Eleven's girls. Especially at malls, keep your eyes open. So many girls try to flirt but you usually do have to make the first step in 75% of cases as they tend to be shy to approach themselves. But there's lot of potential if you are young and white and walking around alone sit down somewhere in the middle of the mall and you pretty soon will make contact with people. As a young person myself I did feel it was much easier for me too everywhere but gogo bars. But that's also indeed because at gogo you have to show some more initiative whereas at beer bars and other places you can talk much easier with everyone or more at the same time. At Gogo's they do seem to love the Asian's and you will def pay the same prices indeed as anyone else. Didn't got much cheaper prices offered just for being younger or them being attracted. Might get better prices after your first 'date' tho (without bar involved).
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2005022]Ummm. Yeah. Right.
Even p4 p girls would rather go with an attractive guy than one that is not. Age doesn't matter as much. But its still a factor.
I doubt any working girls will reject you because you are young. Just don't wait for them to come to you. When you see something you like go get it and prepare to pay just like the old, out of shape guys do.[/QUOTE]Hey Uncle I think you might have missed the irony in Dwayne's response.
When guys come on here describing themselves as "young and attractive" they usually end up reporting how the girls offer them freebies all day and night, and I suspect Dwayne was mocking this trend.
Nevertheless, everything you said is correct.
[QUOTE=JHawk88;2004959]I have a question I haven't seen so I thought I would ask away. I am staying in Bangkok for the majority of my stay (Dynasty Grande) but I am thinking of going to Pattaya for a weekend. My question is the following: should I check out of the Dynasty when I go to Pattaya or just reserve my room for the full duration of my stay and take a small bag with me down to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]If you can get the same rate and don't mind packing / unpacking; check out of the Dynasty Grande and have the bell desk keep your major luggage. Advise them of your return date and a small tip should take care of it.
FWIW the is a Bangkok Hotels thread on this message board this question should have probably been asked there.
SL.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2005022]
Even p4 p girls would rather go with an attractive guy than one that is not. Age doesn't matter as much. But its still a factor.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. A lot of girls would prefer an older guy simply because if they go with a younger guy, they might get shagged hard 10 times in a night. An older guy will shag them once and go to sleep.
LOL you guys are too funny. When I was young and dumb and fit as a GI, it was easy to bang the busty young tiny twat beauties for the cost of a meal if that. Most of them just wanted a white schwantztooka and the remote possibility of a green card. Now that I'm older, chubbier and more affluent I pay a little more but still keep it in the market rate range. Maybe because I am still hamsum?? Hahaha. Anyway, no need to flood the economy like some of these millionaire fools.
Cheers, Smoothy. I hope you don't let our political differences get between us. I know you are a boob dude, too, and have admired your selections and referrals.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2004967]It depends. The lady boys are all over those guys who are young and fit.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2005090]Not necessarily. A lot of girls would prefer an older guy simply because if they go with a younger guy, they might get shagged hard 10 times in a night. An older guy will shag them once and go to sleep.[/QUOTE]Sorry Dwayne if I didn't catch the irony.
Smoothy, I am not so sure. I have heard a few girls complain: "old man take tablet boom boom too mut". The joys of modern medicine. 555
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2005149]Sorry Dwayne if I didn't catch the irony.
[/QUOTE]Hint of reality in that irony. It happened to me in Thermae when I was 29. One smoking hot babe completely ignored my advances and latched on to first old, Japanese guy she could find. I was ready to pay more than she got from other guy but could not even start a conversation, she pretended as if I did exist at all. After this I made sure to flash a bundle of few thousand baht before buying Sangsom + redbull at the counter.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;2005158]Hint of reality in that irony. It happened to me in Thermae when I was 29. One smoking hot babe completely ignored my advances and latched on to first old, Japanese guy she could find. I was ready to pay more than she got from other guy but could not even start a conversation, she pretended as if I did exist at all. After this I made sure to flash a bundle of few thousand baht before buying Sangsom + redbull at the counter.[/QUOTE]Well Thermae is not the best case to draw conclusions from. Many girls won't even look at Farang there. If you got rejected its because you were Farang not because you were young.
Sukhumvit 6 alley / Chai Saman Alley. 10 Girls. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: 10 am to 1 am.
This one is hard to find. If you walk down the street past L o l I t a s' s, it looks like a dead end, but is not. On the it opens onto another street. The sign on one wall Soi 8. The club on the left would Kasalong.
I am new here and soon I will post pictures in the Kenya threat and the Philippine threat.
I am right now in Bangkok, its 7 am and I am looking for freelancer / streetgirls.
Any opinions?
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;2005158]Hint of reality in that irony. It happened to me in Thermae when I was 29. One smoking hot babe completely ignored my advances and latched on to first old, Japanese guy she could find. I was ready to pay more than she got from other guy but could not even start a conversation, she pretended as if I did exist at all. After this I made sure to flash a bundle of few thousand baht before buying Sangsom + redbull at the counter.[/QUOTE]I think younger, better looking men in these circumstances need to make it clear asap to the P4 P girls they approach that they ARE indeed eager potential "customers" and not trolling for another free girlfriend for the night. I know some younger, good-looking guys who take it as a challenge to try to get a P4P girl to agree to go with them for free. How tiresome that exchange must be to a girl who genuinely needs some fast cash to cover rent and phone bills. They look at older, fatter dudes and immediately think, "CUSTOMER". They look at a younger, fit guy and aren't even sure he is a genuine potential customer or not. They probably wonder why he hasn't got plenty of younger, prettier girlfriends around town already to keep him busy tonight. And, in fact, he probably does have plenty of girlfriends around town already, another reason the P4 P girl is reluctant to get into that mix and be expected to compete against the real deal he has lined up on his phone.
Many of those girls are certain in their minds a young, good-looking farang guy will find fault with them once they get a closer look and reject them anyway. So their move is to reject him first. And perhaps even to make a bit of a show of it. To save Face.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2005260]I think younger, better looking men in these circumstances need to make it clear asap(. They look at older, fatter dudes and immediately think, "CUSTOMER". They look at a younger, fit guy and aren't even sure he is a genuine potential customer or not.
Many of those girls are certain in their minds a young, good-looking farang guy will find fault with them once they get a closer look and reject them anyway. So their move is to reject him first. And perhaps even to make a bit of a show of it. To save Face.[/QUOTE]The women are there to work to make money.
Most of them are in the down of their lives, and desperate for fast cash.
For them, money is above everything.
Otherwise, they will probably work in a shop instead of a P4P venue.
Being good-looking and manly does not help much regarding P4P. The generally young and muscular Turkish punters in Germany is a good example. The working women prefer old fat German locals than some young good-looking muscular youngsters.
If you want to attract women purely by your appearance and personality, not your money or an access to a new valuable passport, then you're definitely in the wrong venue.
But then again, even if a woman is not from a P4 P venue, you still risk her turning into a gold digger in the end.
[QUOTE=Amazon2323;2005259]I am right now in Bangkok, its 7 am and I am looking for freelancer / streetgirls.
Any opinions?[/QUOTE]That time of the morning you can probably find a few exceptionally unattractive ladies or LB's on soi 4 near the entrance to the NEP, and on Sukhumvit between soi 3 to soi 5.
SL.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2005242]Sukhumvit 6 alley / Chai Saman Alley. 10 Girls. Prices: _ Tel: _ Hours: 10 am to 1 am.
This one is hard to find. If you walk down the street past L o l I t a s' s, it looks like a dead end, but is not. On the it opens onto another street. The sign on one wall Soi 8. The club on the left would Kasalong.[/QUOTE]I love this place. When the discussion of value was going on, all I could think was how I could go here every day for $28 US and have hot Thai (legal) get buck naked, let me play with her a bit and then blow me and swallow it as a part of my break from my afternoon walk.
And happily clean me up afterwards.
I love BKK.
[QUOTE=XXL;2003923]First off, the Thai girls have geezer's faces. If they were just a bit taller they could easily pass as ladyboys.
I thought I'd unearthed a real stunner among them until I noticed she was a he[/QUOTE]When viewing Thai women, if it ever occurs to you that the woman you see is masculine in some way, or she is just way too good-looking to be true, then there is no doubt that he is in fact a man!
Last time I checked Nana Plaza, the only two bars that actually caught my attention were Obsession and Straps, both of which were full of ladyboys (transgenders).
And the reason why they are a lot more sexually attractive than ordinary women was pretty simple. They all had countless plastic surgeries on their faces and their whole bodies.
So, basically, if you take one of those transgenders, you're not only fucking their male asshole (Obsession) or artificial vaginas (Straps), you're also experiencing the world's most advanced plastic surgeries. LOL.
That said, as the old saying remains correct, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and "Different strokes for different folks".
If you do not consider Thai women (sometimes transgenders) beautiful or attractive anymore, it's time to move on to another destination.
This was exactly my case. I probably won't visit Thailand again.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;2005158]Hint of reality in that irony. It happened to me in Thermae when I was 29. One smoking hot babe completely ignored my advances and latched on to first old, Japanese guy she could find.[/QUOTE]Working Women in Bangkok have their own taste for certain clients, which is one reason I don't like there.
Similar to you, but kind of different, you're rejected in Thermae because you're not Asian, while I was rejected by Uzbekistani women in Grace Hotel because I'm not Middle Eastern.
Just for the record, my ethnicity is Chinese. But I prefer non-Asian women. LOL.
Thermae and some venues are known to cater for Asian guests.
Soi 3 and Grace Hotel for Middle Eastern guests.
Soi 4 bars and restaurants for Western guests.
Etc.
Like I said, I went through the same shit in Grace Hotel. You're not alone.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2005472]Working Women in Bangkok have their own taste for certain clients, which is one reason I don't like there............my ethnicity is Chinese. [/QUOTE]If you are Asian you would be a preferred (or equally preferred) client by the majority of Thai girls. Were there specific places you visited in Pattaya and Bangkok that you felt you were shunned because you were Asian?
Agree with you that Nana feels like a complete ladyboy plaza. Did you not see any girls to your liking in Rainbow 5, Twisters, or Billboard? These are the non ladyboy gogo bars in Nana.
One of the good things about Thermae is they keep the ladyboys out. That's why you see all the ladyboys standing on the stairs just outside of Thermae.
[QUOTE=Sexinstl;2005383]I love this place. When the discussion of value was going on, all I could think was how I could go here every day for $28 US and have hot Thai (legal) get buck naked, let me play with her a bit and then blow me and swallow it as a part of my break from my afternoon walk.
And happily clean me up afterwards.
I love BKK.[/QUOTE]You find that cum swallowing at the end of a BJ is common in Kasalong (or L0lita's) for the regular 800 baht fee plus another 150 baht or so tip? Life's been very good to you. What is your rap for making sure cum swallowing occurs at the end? Or is the 150 baht tip plus your natural charm and attractiveness enough to insure it? (smile)
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2005637]You find that cum swallowing at the end of a BJ is common in Kasalong (or L0lita's) for the regular 800 baht fee plus another 150 baht or so tip? Life's been very good to you. What is your rap for making sure cum swallowing occurs at the end? Or is the 150 baht tip plus your natural charm and attractiveness enough to insure it? (smile)[/QUOTE]I'd been to LoIitas once and Kasalong once, before this last couple of times at Kasalong when I saw the same girl over a few days - 800 baht for the standard deal, but when I got to the room I asked if she could completely undress for another 100 baht and then let me play with her for a bit for another 100 baht. The CIM I guess she just gave as extra, because now that I think about it. That didn't happen the other times, with different girls.
Tip appreciation is nice!
As a newbie, I've realized that to RTFF can be a misleading if not confusing. Since a lot of us rely on FR's that are submitted by senior mongers, let's try to summarize a template that can potentially help out fellow ISGians find some great action in Bangkok. If you have ever had a good time in this land, copy this template and paste it with your personal answers. Hope this helps out people find exactly what they are looking for.
Best Girl GoGo Bar:
Best Party Club for Dancing:
Best Party Club for Freelancers:
Best Girl Freelancer Soi:
Best BJ Bar:
Best Place for 3 Some:
Best Happy Ending Massage Place:
Best Nuru / Soapie Masssage Place:
Best GF Hotel:
Best Escort Agency.
[QUOTE=Sexinstl;2005721]I'd been to LoIitas once and Kasalong once, before this last couple of times at Kasalong when I saw the same girl over a few days - 800 baht for the standard deal, but when I got to the room I asked if she could completely undress for another 100 baht and then let me play with her for a bit for another 100 baht. The CIM I guess she just gave as extra, because now that I think about it. That didn't happen the other times, with different girls.
Tip appreciation is nice![/QUOTE]Actually, I was talking about the part if your post suggesting that cum swallowing at the end of a blowjob was common practice at Kasalong Bar. But now you seem to be reporting that mere CIM was not provided in your first couple of visits to Kasalong Bar and L0lita's but was eventually provided by a girl you saw a few times at Kasalong Bar. And that was provided as an "extra" bonus, possibly because you saw her a few times or tipped her an extra 100 bt. Is that about right? Maybe I misunderstood.
CIM finish should be standard service provided in any bar purporting to be a BJ bar like Kasalong Bar and L0lita's for the basic rate (800 bt these days) and no extra tip required. But, in my experience at least, cum swallowing at the end of a blowjob is not commonly provided (I wish it were! Lol) but might be provided as a nice bonus by a girl who either likes you enough to do it or just routinely finishes the blowjob that way or who might do it if an additional tip is offered to get her do it.
Perhaps there is a language difference or definition confusion here; Cum in Mouth (CIM) is not the same thing as cum swallowing.
[QUOTE=Wimble;1998332]Unlike many, I have a day pack because I am out for the day. I had a couple places that will require you to check the bag; I refuse and walk. The problem is that it is not safe to keep your valuables in your bag and having too many things in your pockets reduces the value of a lap dance. In massage places, just keep you bags with you. In some upmarket places in other countries, there are attendants in changing rooms with security bracelets as it takes 2 to open your locker. Safer but anything can be defeated.
I don't like my picture taken. Shit happens. Like the guy that tired to eat a girl last year in Pattaya.
I always have non-TSA combination locks for my bags. It is basically useless. A safe in room is better or maybe even downstairs. As most travelers will tell you, leave your valuables at home and travel light. I don't stay in budget hotels so I am not sure how safe they are. I have traveled for decades and have never had a major problem with room security. Most the problems I hear about theft are actually theft by fellow travelers.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I was going to reply sooner but I had trouble finding the post.
I will be staying in a budget hotel, something like City Lodge or Maxim's inn or something in that general area for convenience. I've never had anything stolen but in Kl, my locks were tampered with and I've heard fist hand accounts of theft from people in Manila and Vietnam so it's best to be careful.
If I leave my day pack I can fit my camera and important stuff in a small camera bag sort of like a holster. I don't know if that makes me stick out more or draw more attention compared to a 25 l North Face backpack with the camera inside.
On to other things.
I've been RTFF on and off for the past two weeks, didn't get far but got some useful info in between the posts where users argue and sifted through about 15-20 pages of discussions on which Viagra is the real Viagra.
Anyway, some things I would like to clarify which I don't think I've found while doing my browsing.
BJ bars. It's been implied that CIM would require a bit extra or may depend upon the girl. Is there a set price with that or is it negotiable? I've also read that it's around 1200 bhat for full service at these bars, is that 1200 total after or including the BJ, or is it a separate fee? Also, if I want a double BJ is it two girls and two pops?
Eden. I've read there are many other similar places popping up but I don't recall anyone mentioning the names.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=BadDuck;2005917]As a newbie, I've realized that to RTFF can be a misleading if not confusing. Since a lot of us rely on FR's that are submitted by senior mongers, let's try to summarize a template that can potentially help out fellow ISGians find some great action in Bangkok. If you have ever had a good time in this land, copy this template and paste it with your personal answers. Hope this helps out people find exactly what they are looking for..[/QUOTE]Best girl GoGo bar: Crazy House.
Best Party Club for dancing: Levels (my kind of music).
Best Party Club for Freelancers: Insanity, Mixx for better quality (perhaps?
Best girl Freelancer Soi: Soi 4, Thermae.
Best BJ Bar: Kasalong favorite, Som's Haven for quality at certain periods of time.
Best Place for 3 Some: Eden club, Escort agencies (Bangkok Escort).
Best Happy Ending Massage Place: Not a fan of HJ's.
Best Nuru / Soapie massage place: Nataree, but it's closed now. Hardly went anywhere else that was good.
Best GF Hotel: I haven't encountered a hotel that isn't GF friendly, but close to scene would be Grande Centre point T21, cheaper would be Heaven at 4. My fav is s6 sukhumvit (because kasalong in right downstairs) but the hotel is horrible xD.
Best escort agency: Smooci is pretty good but its not an escort agency. So, best girls would be at Xclusivethai.
What's open at 3 AM in Bangkok on an early Monday morning (from Sunday night)? I hear gogos close at 2:30 AM-ish so that seems to be out of the question. Should I go to Thermae and Climax?
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2006198]What's open at 3 AM in Bangkok on an early Monday morning (from Sunday night)? I hear gogos close at 2:30 AM-ish so that seems to be out of the question. Should I go to Thermae and Climax?[/QUOTE]Thermae seems to be a much earlier club these days. Last time I visited, it closed fairly early, I can't recall if that was 2 am or 3 am, but certainly before I expected. In the old days 3 am might be a good time.
There will still be freelancers on the street to some extent, especially black girls, I guess. I am far from expert about this time slot as it is a bit late for me. There are all night MPs I have heard, especially Soi 11.
Haven't you collected some girl contacts, so you could message one to meet up late?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2006002]
CIM finish should be standard service provided in any bar purporting to be a BJ bar like Kasalong Bar and L0lita's for the basic rate (800 bt these days) and no extra tip required. But, in my experience at least, cum swallowing at the end of a blowjob is not commonly provided (I wish it were! Lol) but might be provided as a nice bonus by a girl who either likes you enough to do it or just routinely finishes the blowjob that way or who might do it if an additional tip is offered to get her do it.
[/QUOTE]Yes absolutely. CIM is norm in a BJ shop but swallowing is not. Experienced girls at BJ shops and Tulip will try to spit it out surreptitiously so the customer doesn't even notice. Have seen reports from ISG customer that girl swallowed where it was well known that she doesn't. Sometimes good acting.
I wonder how much extra the average girl thinks is fair for swallowing to keep the customers proud of how yummy is their juice? The girls ought to swap it to the customer so he can swallow his own. ;) Pity to waste it. LOL
[QUOTE=Goons;2006054]
BJ bars. It's been implied that CIM would require a bit extra or may depend upon the girl. Is there a set price with that or is it negotiable? I've also read that it's around 1200 bhat for full service at these bars, is that 1200 total after or including the BJ, or is it a separate fee? Also, if I want a double BJ is it two girls and two pops?[/QUOTE]1. you not need to tip the girl for CIM at BJ Bars, in this places I never had problem with CIM. It's your choice to tip her or not. Price is 7/800 baht.
2. At LoIitas (and I think others BJ Bars have similar menu / prices) you have a BJ+FS on sofà behind the curtains for 1200 baht, only one pop. If you want have two or more pops you need to take room upstair for 1 HR - 1700 baht all in.
3. If you take 2 girls the price is x2.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2006198]What's open at 3 AM in Bangkok on an early Monday morning (from Sunday night)? I hear gogos close at 2:30 AM-ish so that seems to be out of the question. Should I go to Thermae and Climax?[/QUOTE]Try Mixx, It used to start filling with all professional ladies around 2 am and continue till morning 5-6 am. Don't know current timing but would be your best shot.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2006223]Yes absolutely. CIM is norm in a BJ shop but swallowing is not. Experienced girls at BJ shops and Tulip will try to spit it out surreptitiously so the customer doesn't even notice. Have seen reports from ISG customer that girl swallowed where it was well known that she doesn't. Sometimes good acting.
I wonder how much extra the average girl thinks is fair for swallowing to keep the customers proud of how yummy is their juice? The girls ought to swap it to the customer so he can swallow his own. ;) Pity to waste it. LOL[/QUOTE]Logistocally speaking, there is much more opportunity for the girl to savor the feel, smell and yummy or not taste of her man's juice by holding it in her mouth, soaking her tongue long enough to spit it out into a tissue than to quickly swallow it. Even more opportunity for it if she holds it in her mouth long enough to trot into the toilet and spit it into the sink.
In both cases, the semen will not only be coating her tongue (where certain taste sensors are located) for a longer period of time than if she had simply swallowed it as it entered her mouth, but it will also slide across the surface of her tongue for a second time as she expectorates it.
Moreover, the odor of the semen held in her mouth instead of swallowed will then be drawn into her nasal passages as she inhales and that is where even more taste sensors are located. Not only that, but once the semen is spit out of the mouth whether into a tissue or the sink, its odor will permeate the space around it for all to enjoy, but most particularly the girl who just spit it out.
No doubt about it, any ladies reading this, if you really want to experience the feel, smell and taste of a man's cum for a prolonged period of time after he ejaculates into your mouth, by all means DO NOT swallow it quickly and efficiently as it comes out. You must instead hold it in your mouth and spit it into a tissue or the nearby sink instead!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2006221]Thermae seems to be a much earlier club these days. Last time I visited, it closed fairly early, I can't recall if that was 2 am or 3 am, but certainly before I expected. In the old days 3 am might be a good time.
There will still be freelancers on the street to some extent, especially black girls, I guess. I am far from expert about this time slot as it is a bit late for me. There are all night MPs I have heard, especially Soi 11.
Haven't you collected some girl contacts, so you could message one to meet up late?[/QUOTE]The TG found them:/ . So safe to say, I don't do that anymore. It's just too much hiding.
Since my visit last year Nana Plaza has really gone down hill. My visit there a few days ago was to Bangkok Bunnies (ground floor), Rainbow 2 or 3 (first floor as you enter nana the first steps up to the left) and others I cannot quite remember but the quality of girls have really gone way downhill. Also too many ladboy bars and lots hanging around in the terraces. At the end I left without any company.
I went there again to Twisters (first floor) and was disappointed. Then to Rainbow 5 (first floor). Being in a group we were entering but while 3 of us were allowed in one of my friend who looks a bit Indian (unfortunately) but is not was refused as he was a little behind. We came out and said he is with us but the guy said something we had no clue. So we decided to leave. Bloody racist establishment. He is probably the one who spends the most among us. This place should seriously be boycotted.
We then headed to erotica (one and half floor- the steps upstairs after rainbow2-3) and the quality was bad but luckily I found one sweet girl called Tip and had a good GFE session with BBBJ with her at the short time hotel just above the bar. Will probably repeat with her soon.
Did not try angel witch though I have been there a long while back. Just a question, are girls there bar fine able?
[QUOTE=Sum12;2006472]Since my visit last year Nana Plaza has really gone down hill. [/QUOTE]It's only a matter of time before this prime piece of Sukhumvit real estate becomes either a new condominium, an up-scale office block or a new 5-star hotel.
The vultures are already circling and quite low to the ground.
Hi members.
Coming for a few weeks in April. Been a few times to bkk. I be uploading photos and reports as I go. If anyone has anything interesting they want checked out, happy to help.
Thanks Raven.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2006472]
Did not try angel witch though I have been there a long while back. Just a question, are girls there bar fine able?[/QUOTE]Yes, barfined meena and miss A (tiny cutie) for 700 barfine. I don't recommend either of them as both are bit clingy. Show girls are also barfined at 1100.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2006313]The TG found them:/ . So safe to say, I don't do that anymore. It's just too much hiding.[/QUOTE]I guess you mean Thai GF? If your GF is a detective type, and I have had such a girl in the past, then you need to have a separate small monger phone and SIM with high security on it (so she cannot open), and ensure very well hidden that GF never finds it. If GF is with you on same day that you go out to monger, than is probably too difficult and too much risk of being caught. If coming home from mongering to the GF, she is bound to detect something, sooner or later, even if just the scent of soap recently used for cleaning. So phones are not the only problem.
I thought about mongering only in a different country to the GF location, but was too restrictive. Next best is to not monger in same province as GF is located. So monger in BKK only when GF is not in BKK is my current plan. Also I cannot bring girls back to my normal BKK lodging due to gossip that will result and my GF does visit this place.
Fortunately my current GF is not a detective type, so she does not investigate all my belongings thoroughly.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2006247]No doubt about it, any ladies reading this, if you really want to experience the feel, smell and taste of a man's cum for a prolonged period of time after he ejaculates into your mouth, by all means DO NOT swallow it quickly and efficiently as it comes out. You must instead hold it in your mouth and spit it into a tissue or the nearby sink instead![/QUOTE]555. Very entertaining piece of logic and a bit of irony thrown in.
Perhaps girls do don't swallow are concerned about possibility to catch something, even if that is not medically sound thinking.
In my experience of tasting something that was awful, I usually spit it out quick and lively, rather than a quick swallow. The danger of swallow, is that the stomach may reject it, and bring it back up again. I found it quite difficult to get some herbal remedy brews to go down.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2006472]Since my visit last year Nana Plaza has really gone down hill. My visit there a few days ago was to Bangkok Bunnies (ground floor), Rainbow 2 or 3 (first floor as you enter nana the first steps up to the left) and others I cannot quite remember but the quality of girls have really gone way downhill. Also too many ladboy bars and lots hanging around in the terraces. At the end I left without any company.
I went there again to Twisters (first floor) and was disappointed. Then to Rainbow 5 (first floor). Being in a group we were entering but while 3 of us were allowed in one of my friend who looks a bit Indian (unfortunately) but is not was refused as he was a little behind. We came out and said he is with us but the guy said something we had no clue. So we decided to leave. Bloody racist establishment. He is probably the one who spends the most among us. This place should seriously be boycotted.
We then headed to erotica (one and half floor- the steps upstairs after rainbow2-3) and the quality was bad but luckily I found one sweet girl called Tip and had a good GFE session with BBBJ with her at the short time hotel just above the bar. Will probably repeat with her soon.
Did not try angel witch though I have been there a long while back. Just a question, are girls there bar fine able?[/QUOTE]Obviously, you visited the wrong go-gos this trip. I have been visiting Nana for the last 20 years. I pulled some of the best talent I have ever had just a couple of weeks ago out of Nana. I didn't visit any of the gogos you mentioned other than Bangkok Bunnies. I agree that there is very little talent in Bangkok Bunnies at the moment. But there are some gogos that you did not mention that have some excellent talent right now.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2006508]It's only a matter of time before this prime piece of Sukhumvit real estate becomes either a new condominium, an up-scale office block or a new 5-star hotel.
The vultures are already circling and quite low to the ground.[/QUOTE]There is a HUGE empty lot directly on Sukhumvit on soi 6 that still has nothing built on it. It had a ton of beer bars there back in the late 90's, but has literally been barren for the last 15 years. Extremely prime real estate going to waste. I would think they will build there before they worry about a side street on soi 4 where Nana sits. Take Nana plaza out of that area and tourism will hugely suffer. I know I wouldn't stay there anymore.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2006780] But there are some gogos that you did not mention that have some excellent talent right now.[/QUOTE]I'll be back in BKK next week. Haven't been since January. Which are the best gogos right now?
[QUOTE=Sum12;2006472]Since my visit last year Nana Plaza has really gone down hill.
SNIP
I went there again to Twisters (first floor) and was disappointed. Then to Rainbow 5 (first floor). Being in a group we were entering but while 3 of us were allowed in one of my friend who looks a bit Indian (unfortunately) but is not was refused as he was a little behind. We came out and said he is with us but the guy said something we had no clue. So we decided to leave. Bloody racist establishment. He is probably the one who spends the most among us. This place should seriously be boycotted.[/QUOTE]Are you sure those were the bars you went into? Neither one of those go-go bars is on the first floor. Unless you mean the first floor above the ground floor.
Late edit: Never mind. I see you did refer to the "first floor" as the one above the ground floor elsewhere in your post. Hmm.
I found a Web Page with nice descriptions.
[URL]http://www.thailandredcat.com/blow-job-and-hand-job-bars-in-bangkok/[/URL]
I updated the List below.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2002960][b]Nana Area[/b]
Wood Bar (ex-Dr. BJ Salon), Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. 5+ Girls. Prices: 800-1000BAHT. Tel: 02 651 2563. Hours: 10:30 to 2 am.
Magic Table, Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. 7-10 Girls. Prices: 1000BAHT.
L o l I t a ss Bangkok Bar, 4 Soi Sukhumvit 8. 6-10+ Girls. Prices: 800BAHT, 1200BAHT Full Short Time. Tel: +66 86 010 2272. Hours: 10 am to 1 am. [url]http://lolitasbangkok.com/[/url]
Kasalong, Sukhumvit 6 alley/Chai Saman Alley. 10 Girls. Prices: 800BAHT. Tel: ___. Hours: 10 am to 1 am.
The Lollipop 1, 10 Sukhumvit Rd. 6+Girls. Prices: 700BAHT, 1100BAHT Full Short Time. Tel: ___ Hours: ___.
Soms Haven, 5 Sukhumvit Soi 14 Alley. 8+ Girls. Prices: 700 BAHT, 1200BAHT Full Short Time. Tel: +66 81 007 4841. Hours: Noon to 1 am.
[b]Soi Cowboy[/b]
Toy Bar, Soi Cowboy. __ Girls. __. Prices: ___. Hours: 4 to __.
Moonshine Joint, Soi Cowboy. 4-10 Girls. Prices: 500BAHT HJ, __ BJ. Hours: 5 pm to __.
Jungle Jims, Soi Cowboy. 6-10 Girls. Prices: 500BAHT, 800BAHT, 1200BAHT Full Short Time. Hours: 5 pm to __.
Fannys, Soi Cowboy. 6-10 Girls. Prices: 500BAHT HJ, __ BJ. Hours: 5 pm to __.
Sunshine Afterskool Bar, Soi Cowboy. 6-10 Girls. Prices: 500BAHT HJ, __ BJ. Hours: 5 pm to __.
Foxzee Bar, 392/23 Sukhumvit Rd. __ Girls. Prices: ___. Hours: 5 pm to __.
B52 Bar, 22 Sukhumvit Rd., Soi 22. __ Girls. Prices: ___. Hours: __ to __.
[b]Patpong Area[/b]
Kangaroo Club, 44 Thanon, Patpong 1. 4+ Girls. Prices: 800 BAHT, 1200 Full Short Time. Tel: 089 998 1678. Hours: 3 pm to 8 pm.
Star of Light, 68 Phat Pong 2 Alley. 7+Girls. Prices: 700 BAHT. Tel: ___. Hours: 9 am to ___.
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Hello fellow ISG members,
I will be in bkk this week for a few days. Any of you guys want to grab a beer or something? I'm a Eurasia begin 30. Happy hunting.
I am noticing very few freelancers on Sukhumvit Road, nana and Grace hotel. Thermae is not my cup of tea. Bier garden is closed. I am not having much luck with apps.
Where else can I find freelancers from? Paying $100 a pop or two to girls from massage shops becomes pricey after a while.
Any suggestions gentlemen?
[QUOTE=Plan77;2006904]I am noticing very few freelancers on Sukhumvit Road, nana and Grace hotel. Thermae is not my cup of tea. Bier garden is closed. I am not having much luck with apps.
Where else can I find freelancers from? Paying $100 a pop or two to girls from massage shops becomes pricey after a while.
Any suggestions gentlemen?[/QUOTE]What time of day are you looking? During the day lower Suk is going to be slow for sure. The (relatively) better selection starts after dark. Thursday thru Saturday also draws a bigger SW/FL crowd.
If you do a sweep and don't see anything that appeals grab a beer or something to eat and try again in an hour or so. Or take a ring side seat at Hooters or Stumble Inn and observe the comings and goings. The better one's tend to draw attention right away so be prepared to pounce.
SL.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2006904]I am noticing very few freelancers on Sukhumvit Road, nana and Grace hotel. Thermae is not my cup of tea. Bier garden is closed. I am not having much luck with apps.
Where else can I find freelancers from? Paying $100 a pop or two to girls from massage shops becomes pricey after a while.
Any suggestions gentlemen?[/QUOTE]Try the Discos: Climax, Levels, Insanity, Mixx, and Oskar (a bit more subtle).
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2006787]I'll be back in BKK next week. Haven't been since January. Which are the best gogos right now?[/QUOTE]It is a matter of taste, mood and time of week, but these ones are quite good; Billboard (Nana), Rainbow 5 (Nana), King Castle 1 (Patpong).
Shark and Dollhouse (Cowboy). Crazy House if you like crazy and Sexy Nights or Angelwitch (Nana) if you like rock music. Good hunting!
[QUOTE=Plan77;2006904]I am noticing very few freelancers on Sukhumvit Road, nana and Grace hotel. Thermae is not my cup of tea. Bier garden is closed.[/QUOTE]Beer garden in soi 7 closed? Since when?
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2007072]It is a matter of taste, mood and time of week, but these ones are quite good; Billboard (Nana), Rainbow 5 (Nana), King Castle 1 (Patpong).
Shark and Dollhouse (Cowboy). Crazy House if you like crazy and Sexy Nights or Angelwitch (Nana) if you like rock music. Good hunting![/QUOTE]Rainbow 5 and Billboard (that's the one with the carousel, right?) are my 2 favorites in Nana so I will trust your list and check out Shark and Dollhouse in Cowboy. I hope Dollhouse is way better than the one in Pattaya since it's one of my least favorite gogo clubs. Still haven't been to Patpong mainly because BKK traffic sucks so bad.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2007098]Rainbow 5 and Billboard (that's the one with the carousel, right?) are my 2 favorites in Nana so I will trust your list and check out Shark and Dollhouse in Cowboy. I hope Dollhouse is way better than the one in Pattaya since it's one of my least favorite gogo clubs. Still haven't been to Patpong mainly because BKK traffic sucks so bad.[/QUOTE]Banana Boi, you have never been to Patpong ever or just this trip? I assume you mean this trip. The BTS and MRT both get you there easily. The problem is getting back to the Sukhumvit area since the BTS and MRT shut down at about midnight. I would be interested in your take on Patpong.
BionicMan, the soi 7 Beer Garten is closed for renovations. When it will actually reopen is anybody's guess.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2007092]Beer garden in soi 7 closed? Since when?[/QUOTE]It's not closed yet. Will be in the not to distant future though. They say for renovation, but who knows.
[QUOTE=Allover;2007230]
BionicMan, the soi 7 Beer Garten is closed for renovations. When it will actually reopen is anybody's guess.[/QUOTE]Allover is repeating what he thinks he read on a post without actually knowing if it is fake news or not.
Biergarten is open and alive, but not very well.
It is (apparently) going to close for renovations sometime but, if it's anything like the Philippines, saying "Closed for renovations" actually means "Closed for good and re-opening in some other form".
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2007098]Still haven't been to Patpong mainly because BKK traffic sucks so bad.[/QUOTE]Take the BTS from Nana or Asok Station to Sala Daeng Station, easy to reach Patpong. If you want come back after midnight just take taxi, there should not be too much traffic at night.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2006472]Did not try angel witch though I have been there a long while back. Just a question, are girls there bar fine able?[/QUOTE]Yes, they can be bar-fined.
In Angel Witchbar, bar fine is 700, short time is around 2500.
In Nana Plaza, all bar women can be bar-fined.
The ones that cannot be bar-fined (push you into buying expensive drinks but refuse to go out with you) are in Soi Cowboy.
So, in some way, Nana Plaza is more straightforward than Soi Cowboy.
But Nana Plaza stinks, smelling like a mixture of alcohol, sweat, and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], which is a drawback.
And regarding being rejected by the door men or working women because you're of or not of certain ethnicity, it is no news in Bangkok.
Hi.
Dropping into BKK for a few days this month and my "GF" has just been to see 50 Shades Darker and wants to try some love beads. After a bit of googling I have discovered that sex toys are illegal in LOS but that some of the market stalls around Nana / Nana end of Sukumvit may sell them on the quiet.
Anyone got any tips?
T.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2007263]Take the BTS from Nana or Asok Station to Sala Daeng Station, easy to reach Patpong. If you want come back after midnight just take taxi, there should not be too much traffic at night.[/QUOTE]Yes, and if you are already at Asok and Sukhumvit Rd. (Terminal 21), you might as well just take the MRT Subway to the Silom Station, which is where the MRT Subway intersects with the BTS Skytrain at its Sala Daeng Station. The advantage in taking the MRT Subway from Asok (MRT Sukhumvit Station) is you don't have to transfer from one train line to another train line in order to get to the Patpong area as you do with the BTS Skytrain at the Siam Station.
But, as you pointed out with the BTS Skytrain, the MRT Subway also shuts down at Midnight. Well, actually, you can often still catch the last BTS and MRT trains passing through this area as late as 12:15 AM. Bear in mind the "last" trains going in each direction depart from the line's furthest departure points at Midnight and this area is mostly in the middle of the various routes. So it is often possible to still see and board trains stopping and then passing through the Nana/Asok/Sukhumvit Stations a bit after Midnight.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2007257]Allover is repeating what he thinks he read on a post without actually knowing if it is fake news or not.
Biergarten is open and alive, but not very well.
It is (apparently) going to close for renovations sometime but, if it's anything like the Philippines, saying "Closed for renovations" actually means "Closed for good and re-opening in some other form".[/QUOTE]You are correct. I assumed Plan 77 accurately reported the Garden was now closed. The Garden has few fans here but I am one of them. I've had some excellent sessions from girls out of there over the years including my last trip. I know the quantity and quality of girls there is getting worse and worse but I'm hopeful there is a renovation and the crowds start coming back. Doubtful I know but I am hoping.
[QUOTE=TommySnap;2007395]Hi.
Dropping into BKK for a few days this month and my "GF" has just been to see 50 Shades Darker and wants to try some love beads. After a bit of googling I have discovered that sex toys are illegal in LOS but that some of the market stalls around Nana / Nana end of Sukumvit may sell them on the quiet.
Anyone got any tips?
T.[/QUOTE]Not so much on the quiet, their laying all over stalls, tables you no problem finding what you looking for.
[QUOTE=TommySnap;2007395]Hi.
Dropping into BKK for a few days this month and my "GF" has just been to see 50 Shades Darker and wants to try some love beads. After a bit of googling I have discovered that sex toys are illegal in LOS but that some of the market stalls around Nana / Nana end of Sukumvit may sell them on the quiet.
Anyone got any tips?
T.[/QUOTE]Lot's of this stuff was sold at the roadside stalls on Sukhumvit Road, before the Police closed them and put concrtete blocks and plants in their place to keep them away. I'm not sure where they have gone now (or perhaps they are back already).
Anyhow, this stuff was all cheap Chinese knock-offs of the originals and I wouldn't advise anyone to put these stuff inside anyone. Who knows what ugly chemicals they might release inside you?
[QUOTE=Allover;2007419]You are correct. I assumed Plan 77 accurately reported the Garden was now closed. The Garden has few fans here but I am one of them. I've had some excellent sessions from girls out of there over the years including my last trip. I know the quantity and quality of girls there is getting worse and worse but I'm hopeful there is a renovation and the crowds start coming back. Doubtful I know but I am hoping.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that BG is still open. Although quality is not that good, once in a while one can find a decent amateur here specially during the day which one can bring back to hotel.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2007315]
And regarding being rejected by the door men or working women because you're of or not of certain ethnicity, it is no news in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I used to wonder why they rejected those guys. But one business trip to Bangkok, I was working with a Pakistani guy who was in Bangkok for the first time. This guy had a high paying job, so he could easily afford the entertainment in Bangkok. He told me he had gone to Nana and couldn't get into the bars because they told him they were "members only". He asked me if I would escort him into those bars because they would accept him if he was with a white guy. So we went the next night. We walked into Rainbow 4 (at the time that was the hot gogo in Nana). We were seated by the waitress and she asked us what we wanted to drink. I asked for a whiskey cola and the Pakistani guy tells the waitress he's not thirsty and doesn't want a drink. She tells him he has to order a drink to stay in there. He says "why? My friend here has a drink and I am with him. ". The waitress again tells him he needs to buy a drink and he refuses. I tell the guy that he's taking up a seat that a paying customer could be sitting in. If the place let everyone in for free, they wouldn't make any money and would have to close, he's sitting there watching naked girls, the least he can do is buy a drink for 150 baht. But he refused. At that point, I bought a drink for the cheap ass. And never went out with him again.
Hi lads,
Did anyone here already barfined girl #80 named Nam Dtaan at Crazy House? You cannot miss her, she is the one with the biggest gigantic silicone boobs. I paid her a drink and she doesn't like to be touched, so I hesitate over barfining her: I do not like to pay for a starfish. Worth it or not?
I had completely forgotten about billboard in Nana top floor on the left side when you enter the nana plaza. I had been there a few times in my previous visits and thank to some posts below and a search on best go gos in Nana, I was left with two choices either Angel witch or Billboard.
Having on luck in my previous visits to other go gos, and wanting a quick session I decided to go to billboard and I surely made the right choice.
Billboard is the best go go in Nana, no doubt. It was packed with both ladies and customers and the place was lively. I took a drink scanned around for a while. I had my eyes on no21 and was just about to call her over when a cutie came and tried to get my attention. She got it and I called her over. I don't know her number but her name was Bell from Isaan. She sat on me, swayed around my lap, made me fell her amazing just right tits and soon I was rock hard. One drink for me and her and a bar fine of 700 and I took her to the st hotel on the same floor. No BJ at all, no DFK but she was looking gorgeous. An extremely short session followed as I could not last hearing her moans and the sight of her beautiful face, I paid her 2500 plus a 100 tip. She even gave me her number to call and add her in Line. I don't use Line and I don't like repeats except when the service is mind blowing so once back to hotel I deleted it so as not to be tempted. But I will definitely return to Billboard for other cuties soon and hope she does not spot me.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2008054]
Billboard is the best go go in Nana.[/QUOTE]I agree. It's still nowhere near as good as it was in the early 2000's when it was called Hollywood. The lesbian show they had there back then was absolutely awesome! I still remember watching 12 girls on that round rotating stage coupled up into 6 pairs in a circle and they would do things like putting holding a dildo in their mouth while inserting it into the other girl's ass. Absolutely great entertainment back then. You don't see anything like that in nana anymore. But Billboard is the best gogo in nana now without a doubt.
[QUOTE=Allover;2007230]Banana Boi, you have never been to Patpong ever or just this trip? I assume you mean this trip. The BTS and MRT both get you there easily. The problem is getting back to the Sukhumvit area since the BTS and MRT shut down at about midnight. I would be interested in your take on Patpong.
BionicMan, the soi 7 Beer Garten is closed for renovations. When it will actually reopen is anybody's guess.[/QUOTE]Do you know this for a fact? Were you there to see they were closed? Or just unconfirmed word of mouth? I ask because I was just there for a few beers with a friend 3 days ago. As for the talent in the late afternoon, all over 40's and old guys. It may get younger and better as the night goes on but it is for sure on the decline.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2008232]Do you know this for a fact? Were you there to see they were closed? Or just unconfirmed word of mouth? I ask because I was just there for a few beers with a friend 3 days ago. As for the talent in the late afternoon, all over 40's and old guys. It may get younger and better as the night goes on but it is for sure on the decline.[/QUOTE]It's not closed. I was there last night. Rumor is they will close around or right after Songkhran.
I will be joined for a week by a girlfriend from Vietnam while I'm in BKK. We want to play with another couple (either meet a couple online or go to a swingers club / party).
We've done this when she visited me here in San Francisco but I haven't read any reports or reviews on any thread on this forum.
Are there any clubs or parties in BKK? Or perhaps a website? I see that Craigslist has a fair amount of couples looking for another couples or singles. Perhaps that's the main site for this kind of thing here in Thailand?
I imagine it'll be hard to find a single girl (non-business). We're mostly into playing with another couple but would like to play with a girl or set up a gangbang with a few extra guys for her. Any advice?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Sum12;2008054]No BJ at all, no DFK but she was looking gorgeous.[/QUOTE]Can't understand how the session is mind-blowing.
This is bad service, according to universal punting standard.
Better to quit the session if the working woman can't even do BJ properly.
Landed late Thurs evening and got to hotel at 1 am. Was tired but looking to get some action and a few beers, so I hit crazy house even though it was late.
Had a couple of beers and took in the show. Ended up barfining #86. Cute face, bee cups, with braces. She wanted some food so we shopped some street food; I expected her to ask me to pay, but she insisted on paying. At my hotel she was playful and it was a decent st session. She did ask for a tip but wasnt pushy. Decent first night.
Slept until noon as I was wiped after 24 hrs in transit. Decided to hit a BJ bar early in the trip as I'm usually not a BJ finisher. Went to som's Haven since it was near my hotel. About six girls working and started chatting with one that suited my tastes. Bought her a beer and one for me and we relaxed on the couches for a bit. Headed upstairs with her. Rooms are a bit run down, but serviceable; she was aiming to please and took direction well. I wanted slow with ball licking, then speed it up, and she was a great performer. She sucked me dry and kept going, sucking it all down, all swallow no spit.
Next up after a rest was club 102 - must have been 30-40 girls working at 8 pm. Picked one that suited my tastes and we went to the room. Nice room, big albeit hard bed. She actually gave a decent oil massage and then a serviceable but a bit toothy BBBJ. Cap on and sex in several positions. She seemed to enjoy it and had a good finish. Followed up with a Thai style massage to close out the time.
Wandered to Nana plaza for a nite cap and hit billboard after wandering into and out of a few other bars. Nothing caught my fancy so I headed back to hotel near soi cowboy to rest and decide what to do. Was still wiped so ended up calling it early and not ordering in or hitting soi cowboy.
Don't recall prices for either, but we're in line with what I expected.
Chrome bar was next up since I wanted to get my Nuru fix; not the best Nuru BTW, had much better in Korea. About ten girls working and picked a lean tan skinned girl with a pretty smile and bee cups. Room was like a bathroom, not all that inviting. Performance was good, but not great. Shower, slippy massage, followed by HJ / BJ and then doggy to finish.
2000 bht.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2007876]I tell the guy that he's taking up a seat that a paying customer could be sitting in. If the place let everyone in for free, they wouldn't make any money and would have to close, he's sitting there watching naked girls, the least he can do is buy a drink for 150 baht. But he refused. At that point, I bought a drink for the cheap ass. And never went out with him again.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm not trying to make any broad generalizations, but it seems that haggling over the price of everything and being extremely frugal is a culture of some countries.
So, basically, the bars are being temporarily racist, trying to filter out customers who tend to contribute little or none profit to the venues.
I'm not saying this is a right thing for the bars to do, but this theory may give our South Asian members a tip, next time you want to enter a gogo bar, better act generously, bribe the door man with a 500 Thai Baht banknote, treat the waitresses and working women some drinks, and let out a few 20 Thai Baht banknotes as tips also helps, I suppose this will make you the male version of the belle of the ball.
The above is the solution for South Asian members trying to get into a gogo bar or nightclub.
However, there's no proper answer to my being rejected by Russian / Uzbekistan women in the coffee shop in Grace Hotel Soi 3.
Like other members who are White Caucasians have said, they got ignored purposely by the Thai freelancers in Thermae coffee shop.
The East Asian version in Grace Hotel coffee shop occurred to me.
I offer those Russian / Uzbekistan women 3500 for a quick Short Time, which is way higher than what other Middle Easterners paid (around 2000), but still got ignored and rejected purposely.
They are being racist against East Asian for no reasons, which is even more ridiculous than the gogo bars.
[QUOTE=Zen415;2008453]Are there any clubs or parties in BKK? Or perhaps a website? I see that Craigslist has a fair amount of couples looking for another couples or singles. Perhaps that's the main site for this kind of thing here in Thailand?[/QUOTE]I never heard about swinger club / party in Bangkok, I think Craiglist could be the best option.
[QUOTE=Zen415;2008453]set up a gangbang with a few extra guys for her. Any advice?[/QUOTE]If your GF is nice and sexy I think you will find alot men for give her a gangbang. You could post ad on Craiglist with her pics or you could ask members here to join you and your GF. Maybe you can start posting some of her pics here and tell us which days you will in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Zen415;2008453]I will be joined for a week by a girlfriend from Vietnam while I'm in BKK. We want to play with another couple (either meet a couple online or go to a swingers club / party).
We've done this when she visited me here in San Francisco but I haven't read any reports or reviews on any thread on this forum.
Are there any clubs or parties in BKK? Or perhaps a website? I see that Craigslist has a fair amount of couples looking for another couples or singles. Perhaps that's the main site for this kind of thing here in Thailand?
I imagine it'll be hard to find a single girl (non-business). We're mostly into playing with another couple but would like to play with a girl or set up a gangbang with a few extra guys for her. Any advice?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Your best bet is finding someone on Adult Friend Finder. I used that a number of years ago and found some folks that had swingers parties in Patts and then they arranged a special get together for us in BKK. They were a bit too public in their advertising and eventually were busted. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/05/thailand-swingers-charges[/URL].
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2008611]I never heard about swinger club / party in Bangkok, I think Craiglist could be the best option.
If your GF is nice and sexy I think you will find alot men for give her a gangbang. You could post ad on Craiglist with her pics or you could ask members here to join you and your GF. Maybe you can start posting some of her pics here and tell us which days you will in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Our #1 preference is swinging with a couple or two, so we'll try CL first and see.
[QUOTE=Pita123;2008645]Your best bet is finding someone on Adult Friend Finder. I used that a number of years ago and found some folks that had swingers parties in Patts and then they arranged a special get together for us in BKK. They were a bit too public in their advertising and eventually were busted. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/05/thailand-swingers-charges[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thank you. Wow! It's crazy that swingers clubs and parties are illegal in a country that seems to be very sexually liberated.
[QUOTE=Zen415;2008684]Thank you. Wow! It's crazy that swingers clubs and parties are illegal in a country that seems to be very sexually liberated.[/QUOTE]Only problem is that Thailand is not a sexually liberated land.
Just because the girls need money doesn't mean they are sexually liberated.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2008582]So, basically, the bars are being temporarily racist, trying to filter out customers who tend to contribute little or none profit to the venues.
I'm not saying this is a right thing for the bars to do, but this theory may give our South Asian members a tip, next time you want to enter a gogo bar, better act generously, bribe the door man with a 500 Thai Baht banknote, treat the waitresses and working women some drinks, and let out a few 20 Thai Baht banknotes as tips also helps, I suppose this will make you the male version of the belle of the ball.
The above is the solution for South Asian members trying to get into a gogo bar or nightclub.[/QUOTE]That would help, but talking with the girls, those guys also have a reputation for bar fining the girls then having 10 other guys waiting in the room to gang bang the girl. It's not just that they are cheap. There are multiple reasons they ban those guys.
[QUOTE=Antex;2008732]Only problem is that Thailand is not a sexually liberated land.
Just because the girls need money doesn't mean they are sexually liberated.[/QUOTE]Oh, that is so true. Thais are quite conservative when it comes to sex.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2008582]Well, I'm not trying to make any broad generalizations, but it seems that haggling over the price of everything and being extremely frugal is a culture of some countries.
So, basically, the bars are being temporarily racist, trying to filter out customers who tend to contribute little or none profit to the venues.
I'm not saying this is a right thing for the bars to do, but this theory may give our South Asian members a tip, next time you want to enter a gogo bar, better act generously, bribe the door man with a 500 Thai Baht banknote, treat the waitresses and working women some drinks, and let out a few 20 Thai Baht banknotes as tips also helps, I suppose this will make you the male version of the belle of the ball.
The above is the solution for South Asian members trying to get into a gogo bar or nightclub.
However, there's no proper answer to my being rejected by Russian / Uzbekistan women in the coffee shop in Grace Hotel Soi 3.
Like other members who are White Caucasians have said, they got ignored purposely by the Thai freelancers in Thermae coffee shop.
The East Asian version in Grace Hotel coffee shop occurred to me.
I offer those Russian / Uzbekistan women 3500 for a quick Short Time, which is way higher than what other Middle Easterners paid (around 2000), but still got ignored and rejected purposely.
They are being racist against East Asian for no reasons, which is even more ridiculous than the gogo bars.[/QUOTE]CIS ladies might be worried about you being undercover BIB. Most of them are told by their pimps, handlers or BF to stay clear of locals. I don't think they are racist as most of their clientele is Indians and Arabs.
[QUOTE=Antex;2008732]Only problem is that Thailand is not a sexually liberated land.
Just because the girls need money doesn't mean they are sexually liberated.[/QUOTE]What do understand by the words "sexually liberated"?
Are Thai wives not more tolerant of their husbands having a second wife (mia noi) or being entertained by sex providers than Western wives?
Is the sex business in Thailand not much more open & tolerated than it is in, say, the USA, Canada, Vietnam or England?
Don't many parents of Thai children knowingly allow, approve or even encourage their children to enter the sex trade?
In Canada since a few years ago paying for sex is outlawed, so I am not allowed to do it anywhere, at least not in this particular universe, as long as I remain under Canadian law, or a citizen of Canada. Fortunately LE, in certain Canadian cities, are not interested in enforcing this law when it involves consenting adults.
Strangely, while buying sex is illegal in Canada, selling it is not.
Consequently, due to LOS being more legally sexually liberated than Canada, even more Canadians than ever may be visiting Siam.
[QUOTE=Zen415;2008684]Thank you. Wow! It's crazy that swingers clubs and parties are illegal in a country that seems to be very sexually liberated.[/QUOTE]I agree that Thailand is not so liberated. Anything can happen in private secretly behind closed doors, but not much in public. The new Thai government is particularly tough, trying to improve Thailand's reputation as premium place for hookers. Of course their are countries far more puritanical and "bible bashing".
Years ago SOL in Patpong allowing fucking in the public bar but I don't believe they would allow it any more. Fear of Police raids. Thailand would never have Sex stores with full range of porn and sex toys like in Germany.
There is a big double standard in Thailand. Wives are expected to be faithful and obedient but the Thai men can play up as much as they like. So the Swinging concept would not work for Thais, I think. The Thai men only want young single girls with no baby, no so much some old woman that is someone else's wife. In particular the Thai man cannot have his wife swinging with someone else.
Thailand is definitely not an open minded country like Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Holland, Czech, Hungary, etc.
Yes Thailand has sex parties, of sorts. Several guys go to a Soapy MP, and they select a set of girls, and go to special large VIP suite for partying. I have not actually been to such a party but they do happen. Soapy girls did tell me about them, but I wasn't curious enough to ask a lot of questions.
I make my own parties with several Thai girls (well up to 3 anyway), but have never needed other guys to help so far.
The main concept of Swingers clubs, is usually for older couples bored with normal sex lives, to get to fuck around at very low cost. i.e. girls I would not pay to fuck.
Can you tell us the names of the girls you met? And maybe say something about them? This will help our planning.
[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2008535]Slept until noon as I was wiped after 24 hrs in transit. Decided to hit a BJ bar early in the trip as I'm usually not a BJ finisher. Went to som's Haven since it was near my hotel. About six girls working and started chatting with one that suited my tastes. Bought her a beer and one for me and we relaxed on the couches for a bit. Headed upstairs with her. Rooms are a bit run down, but serviceable; she was aiming to please and took direction well. I wanted slow with ball licking, then speed it up, and she was a great performer. She sucked me dry and kept going, sucking it all down, all swallow no spit.
Next up after a rest was club 102 - must have been 30-40 girls working at 8 pm. Picked one that suited my tastes and we went to the room. Nice room, big albeit hard bed. She actually gave a decent oil massage and then a serviceable but a bit toothy BBBJ. Cap on and sex in several positions. She seemed to enjoy it and had a good finish. Followed up with a Thai style massage to close out the time.
Wandered to Nana plaza for a nite cap and hit billboard after wandering into and out of a few other bars. Nothing caught my fancy so I headed back to hotel near soi cowboy to rest and decide what to do. Was still wiped so ended up calling it early and not ordering in or hitting soi cowboy.
Don't recall prices for either, but we're in line with what I expected.[/QUOTE]
After a few beers and some recovery time, I thought it was time to hit a soapie. You can sense a trend here; my first longer trip to BKK (was here for 40 hrs in Sept, didn't have time to explore) and I'm checking off the boxes I read about here and other places. It was about 7 pm and I thought about going to The Lord, but decided upon Emmanelle for no particular reason other than it had been mentioned, and it was one of the first I recognized by name after getting off the MRT. Decent and large lineup. Immediately I was given a menu card with the girl classes and prices. No surprise there and a pretty broad range in price. I'm not sure if there was a farang markup or not, but the prices weren't a surprise. Since I'm not on a tight budget, I didn't let the price be my guide, but rather chose a girl based on looks and my tastes. I chose an SM class girl. SM53 (5300 thb) if I remember right. Pretty face, natural see cups, nice smile. We went up to a nicely appointed room and had a little chit-chat while her stuff was brought up. She did have a bit of a tummy that was masked by her outfit, but nothing to make the experience a negative one. The rest of her body was nicely shaped and fit. Started with a nice soak / scrub / rub in the tub with lots of playful back and forth, then onto the bed. Service was good, but not stellar. Biggest ding was that the BJ was covered; not a deal breaker, but generally a bit of a mood killer. After than she was very playful, DATY, some light kissing (no DFK), and multiple positions. Overall a good experience and I plan to try at least 1 or 2 more before I leave.
Rode the MRT back to Asok area and grabbed some food and had some downtime before decided my next step. Headed to Soi Cowboy at about 1030 pm and meandered between Baccarat and Crazy House for an hour or so. Both were super packed but there was some decent eye candy on offer, but it was too packed to make it a great experience. Decided to take a stroll up the road and check out Thermae for the experience of it. By this time its nearly midnite. Wandered in and it was also a madhouse. I will say the experience is a bit surreal with the ladies lined up around the inner bar and outer tables like dishes at a buffet. Saw a couple of girls that caught my eye but both of them were in discussions with a punter who got there before me. Had a few backups but wasn't ready to commit (bad idea, but it worked out). Had one drink then decided to head back to Soi Cowboy to see how things were shaking there a bit later. Crazy House had calmed down a bit, and Baccarat was still crowded, but they had closed the third floor, so less people for sure. Unfotuntely the 2 girls at CH that I had seen and was considering were both gone. Had a couple of drinks and bounced between the two clubs for another hour. Poking my head into a few other gogos just to see what the lineups looked like (mostly meh) and next thing I knew it was 130 am and I was getting a bit tired having gotten up somewhat early for a mongering trip (9 am). Decided to see what was on offer from Smooci before making a decision at either CH or Baccarat. Saw that Yuko was available (she's been mentioned a few times lately in the smooci thread), so I booked her for 1 HR. Was a good decision. As has been mentioned, she's better looking than her pictures, and while she seemed a bit tired, she was a sweetheart and very energetic in bed. Good playfulness to start, mutual shower, good BBBJ, and she was very open to options during FS. As it was late and I'd shot twice already, it took a bit to finish things up, but she never complained or was pushing me to finish. Used up nearly the entire hour and sent her on her way. Gave her a tip, so 3500 thb all in.
Overall a good third day / night.
[QUOTE=Terwagne;2008953]Can you tell us the names of the girls you met? And maybe say something about them? This will help our planning.[/QUOTE]I really wish I could, but I am TERRIBLE with names. Add in that half the time I can barely understand their english with their accents! I have the same problem when I go to FKKs in Germany. There are some girls I've sessioned with 3-4 times and I still forget their names. I have this problem outside of mongering as well.
Sorry.
I had one night for myself in Bangkok last week. I had booked an afternoon session at Tulip with three ladies and it was every bit as good as expected. After a foot massage and a dinner, I hit Soi Cowboy. I ended up watching couple of shows at Susie Wong. The dancer lineup before the shows had two potentially bar finable girls but nothing spectacular.
I went to Baccara and the lineup looked a lot better. A cute spinner on the stage caught my eye. I took note of her number and went to make the rounds. I ignored the requests to sit down and checked out all three levels before returning downstairs. Number 46, if my memory serves me right, had gotten off the stage and I asked her to join me for a drink. After not too much small talk she asked if I wanted to bar fine her. The prices quoted were 3 k for one hour and 5 k for 4 hours. I asked about BBBJ and got a negative answer. I finished my drink and left without her.
After wandering around Soi Cowboy for a while I decided to check out the lineup at Annies. At 10.55 pm there were about 10 girls of which number 69 was only one that appealed to me. As I already had sessioned with her couple of times back in 2013, I decided to pass. I took a taxi to Tulip and had another great session with four ladies.
Decided to take the early afternoon and be a tourist. Took a tour of the Grand Palace, it was fun (but nobody cares here).
Next up on the checklist was Club Eden. Meant to do it earlier in the trip as I generally can't finish multiple times in 90-120 mins, but when I popped in there a couple of days ago, the lineup was pretty meh. Decided to give it another shot today. Walked in, sat at the bar and the lineup was better than the other day, and the process was as described. Girls that are A+ to the left, others to the right. I'm not an A+ guy generally, but I let my eyes do the selecting for the first girl, and she happened to be an A+ girl. As has been advised, I let her pick girl #2, and lucky for me she chose my second choice as our play partner. Headed to the room and started with a smoke and chitchat (neither spoke much english), and then a shower. Good mutual touching / rubbing in the shower with girl #1 and then onto the bed. While girl #2 showered, girl #1 started off with a ball / shaft massage and rubbed flavored lotion all over. When girl #2 was ready girl #1 proceeded to give me a rimjob while #2 gave me a very nice BBBJ. Girl #1 took over on the BBBJ and girl #2 proceeded to give me a cat bath while I fingered her. Shifted to DATY on #1 while #2 played with my balls, and then FS with #1. #2 still playing with my balls and rubbing me all over. Finished with #1 after a couple of positions and they cleaned me up and gave me a short 'massage'. For round #2 they started with a lesbian show - #1 had a strap on and started by performing DATY on #2 - I then joined in on the DATY on #1. #2 then proceeded to fuck #1 with the strap on, and then cap went on and I took over. Went for multiple positions and finished in doggy with #1 fondling my balls and anus while I pumped #2. Shower and a smoke and we ended right at 90 mins.
#1 had nice natural see cups and a pretty face and wasn't a 'big' girl, but not the usual tiny girls I go for. She had a pretty face and nice smile and that's why I chose her.
#2 was more petite with lightened hair and bolt-ONS (couldn't tell when dressed) - I'm not usually into fake boobs and hers weren't that good (hard with some scars), but she more than made up for it with her performance.
Again - sorry no names as I'm terrible with them!
Overall I'd put both girls in the solid 6-7 range. Definitely not stunners as Syz would say (in the FKK forums), but they were enthusiastic, open to whatever I wanted to do, and it was a good time overall.
Damage was 4600 thb (I got a water). Not sure I'll repeat this trip, but I'm glad I gave it a try. I've had several other 3-somes in FKKs, but this one was probably the most 'playful' and free of the usual 'upselling' you get in the FKK clubs. Lesbian show is extra, kissing is extra, DATY is extra, etc.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2006002]Actually, I was talking about the part if your post suggesting that cum swallowing at the end of a blowjob was common practice at Kasalong Bar. But now you seem to be reporting that mere CIM was not provided in your first couple of visits to Kasalong Bar and L0lita's but was eventually provided by a girl you saw a few times at Kasalong Bar. And that was provided as an "extra" bonus, possibly because you saw her a few times or tipped her an extra 100 bt. Is that about right? Maybe I misunderstood.
CIM finish should be standard service provided in any bar purporting to be a BJ bar like Kasalong Bar and L0lita's for the basic rate (800 bt these days) and no extra tip required. But, in my experience at least, cum swallowing at the end of a blowjob is not commonly provided (I wish it were! Lol) but might be provided as a nice bonus by a girl who either likes you enough to do it or just routinely finishes the blowjob that way or who might do it if an additional tip is offered to get her do it.
Perhaps there is a language difference or definition confusion here; Cum in Mouth (CIM) is not the same thing as cum swallowing.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is what happened.
Had a couple of beers and some dinner and gave some thought to the evenings itinerary; considered another soapy place, but was concerned it was getting too late and I'd feel rushed to get there, make a choice, etc (it was getting on 10 pm). I decided to stick near Asok and since I was already headed towards Nana I would stop into Thermae again and see if it was less crazy than last time. And to check off taking a freelancer back to my room (another box). I arrived and it was definitely heavier on girls and lighter on guys than last time I came by; got a drink and surveyed the field. A couple of girls caught my eye, but I got the impression they were shopping for japanese or non-farang customers. Most gave the quick look-away or would not make eye contact. It was still early and I felt like some music and a few more drinks, so instead of making a choice I headed back to Crazy House for some naked dancers and a drink or two more, knowing that there would be options remaining if I wanted to come back.
CH first floor was packed so I headed to second floor- second floor was definitely second tier on the talent, but I did find one girl who was close to my spec and very friendly (aren't they all), so I spent some time with her on the couch and bought her a ladydrink. Was temped to barfine her, but had some hesitation and wanted to keep my options open. Still early, only 11 pm. Went back downstairs and spotted 3 girls that really interested me - #144 and #164 and one I didn't see the # for. The unknown number was barfined almost immediately after I got down there; oh well. Was going to have the mamasan call over one of the other 2 when the stage shift changed and both girls headed to the laps of other waiting guys (I was on the other side of the stage); again, oh well. I did another lap around the club and decided to head back to Thermae (so nice that things are so close together!) and re-check the scene.
Back at Thermae, still a lot of decent talent there. The girls from earlier were gone, so that made things easier actually. Less buyer's remorse that I didn't choose the one I really wanted. Got a drink and did a couple of laps to re-check the talent pool. One particular girl kept catching my eye as I wandered around with my drink. I went for a smoke and when I came back, another guy was chatting her up, but it was clear she wasn't that interested, and kept making eye contact with me. I got another drink and went over to the general vicinity; she shed the other guy and I went over to talk to her. Cute face, very nice lean body with ample sized chest (hard to tell exact size due to her outfit. Jean shorts and what looked somewhat like a sports Jersey), and slender legs. We agreed to ST for 2500 bht (I don't like to haggle and it seemed reasonable; probably could have talked her down to 2000), and we headed out. Short walk back to my hotel (I offered to cab it, she said she'd walk it) for some waters and light small talk. Action started with showers (not mutual, no wet foreplay) and then onto the main event. Oh, and her nice chest ended up being dee sized bolt-ONS, but nicely done ones; not too hard, but still I prefer smaller naturals. She gave a very nice slow BBBJ with good ball action and my hands were allowed to roam as I wanted. I didn't initiate DATY so I don't know if that was on of off the menu. Switched to sex with her on top first with her riding me nice and slow at first, and then harder. Switched to missionary where I switched it up back to slow. About 2 mins in she gasped and got very wet; she says she came and I believe her. Not the usual "oh baby I just came" fake acting you see right as you're coming to make you feel like a stud, but an honest almost surprised reaction early on in the action so I believe it was legit. Anyway when I can I prefer to finish in missionary, chair, or modified chair if I'm with a girl whose face or breast / body I really like. If they have an incredible ass, then doggie is preferred. Anyway. After she got wet it made my job a bit harder as she went from incredibly tight, to tight but a bit slippery. I made the best of it and had a fantastic finish. She was enjoying the chair position as well, and at the end she thanked me for the sex (not the money).
Not the most GFE experience as kissing was limited. Light kissing but I really didn't push things; I bet after her orgasm I could have induced DFK, but by that time I was past needing it to get the experience I needed, so I didn't force things. She was a sweet lady, and I try treat the ladies as nicely as I can. She showered and I sent her on her way.
All in 3000 thb (I tipped her 500 mostly because I didn't have change).
I walked her out because I wanted a smoke, and I considered my options. It was 1 am at this point. Soi would still be going but slowing down, Thermae was closed, etc. Smooci was always an option as was heading to one of the later clubs. I took an assessment of things and decided to call it a night after a successful checking off of two boxes from my 'list' and rest up for Monday.
I was hoping to hit up MITU but I guess they are closed until Tuesday. Not sure if all sites are closed or just the wet massage location, but their website doesn't list lineups until Tuesday. Thats my last day in town so I'll likely head there then. We'll see what tomorrow brings.
[QUOTE]I was hoping to hit up MITU but I guess they are closed until Tuesday. Not sure if all sites are closed or just the wet massage location, but their website doesn't list lineups until Tuesday. Thats my last day in town so I'll likely head there then. We'll see what tomorrow brings.[/QUOTE]FWIW, here is my take on MITU. Management there recommended Pan, because I had requested a lady with long nipples. Pan's photos kind of knocked me out, looked like a girl next door type but one who likes to do the dirty deed. Anyway, I arrived and waited for Pan. Turns out she's only 4'-11" ha ha, OK, no problem, I had always wanted to fuck an extra petite one, she was really cute. So, upstairs a few flights of stairs, nice big room, she started the tub and set out the inflatable mattress for the nuru experience. 3700 THB for 70 minutes. I'll keep it brief. Pan is chubby, dress hides it well. She is a total sweetheart and I had fun with her. Pan makes dainty noises like you'd hear in Japanese porn. DFK good, rimming good, BBBJ good, my first nuru experience, it feels great when the hot goo is being poured over you. B2 BS are over-rated IMO. Sex was good too. Bottom line at MITU: the filling of tub, washing, showering, prep work, etc, leaves little remaining time for foreplay and sex. Pay up and get 90 minutes or it's a rip-off. Nothing against Pan. Her tits were nice (100% natural see cups with long nipples) but Dolly at Paradise Massage has her beat larger breasts, more perky, larger nipples.
I am into my 2nd week in BKK and I am having a great time. My only problem is I am torn between seeing my favorite girls again and again and again and satisfying my desire for NEW. There is just not enough time in a day to do all I want to do. So it is always a trade off.
Good reportage FormulaOneFan. I can confirm CH was packed to the rafters Saturday night. Shark doing ok too, but I was not that enthralled with the Shark selection except for one Coyote I liked the look of and an old friend, hostess girl Noi who I said Hello to and bought a drink for. Over in Nana, I like a number of the spinners in Twister. Two have become repeat friends. Billboard has some nice looking girls as well. I also checked out Rainbow 5 one night. Amazingly it had more customers than Twister, but the girls are not as good looking IMHO. Go figure the taste of East Asians. 555. I gather they like their girls light skinned, taller, with thicker legs than I do and are not as concerned as I am with pretty faces. Only one girl in RB5 interested me. Maybe I will take for a test drive at a later date.
IMHO forget Mitu. If the girls on their web site are any indication, this place is a no go. On the other hand, I have been to the Lord 3 times so far since I arrived in BKK and I have had great sessions all 3 times. Expensive you betcha. M category girls are 5800 bhat, but I have experienced white glove memorable service every time. My 2nd Lord girl Ploy, for example, spent 20 minutes in the Jacuzzi sucking my dick, balls and rimming me. Later on the bed she began rimming me again. After a while I suggested she straddle my head so I could return the favor and we went at it for at least another 30 minutes. She loved where I put my tongue and I loved her response. So far this was the most gnarly session of my trip. Finally I couldn't take anymore so I broke it off and she expertly cowgirled me until I came. It was a really great session, but then, all my Lord sessions have been really good so far. So my advice is check out the Lord and forget Mitu.
P.S. I will post a much more detailed trip report later after I return home in May! Again, BKK is still great. Reports of its demise are premature.
Thanks Natty for the intel on MITU. I may just give it a pass then. Main reason for going was to get a 'proper' nuru experience, but since I've had a really good one elsewhere it's not a must-do this trip.
Anyway. Decided I wanted to check off one of the 'most talked about' massage places. Either Tulip or Annie's since they have their own threads here. Decided to go to Tulip since the Annie's thread has broken down into a shit show rather than discussing girls, and the Tulip thread has a lot of recent good reports on specific girls. Unfortunately when I arrived none of the 4-5 girls mentioned here were available, so I decided to test my luck by selecting from the remaining girls in the lineup of 5-6 ladies. Chose a tan skinned girl with a really cute face, natural bee / see cups, long straight hair, with a curvy but not too large ass. In the room turns out she had a bit of a tummy that was hidden by her clothing. I don't remember her name but it wasn't one I had seen mentioned in the Tulip thread. Session started very nicely. She undressed me and immediately started working on my member with a nice BBBJ with lots of ball play and some decent deep throat action with light gagging. I was too big for her to take all the way in, but she did a good job of it anyway (and I'm not huge, just slightly above average for an American guy). Next up the shower, with mutual rubbing and more BJ action. Bed started with an oil massage with lots of emphasis on my crack and then some rimming. Flipped over for some more BBBJ action, then cap on. Started cowgirl with some really good grinding and light kissing, then switched to mish for some long slow action. Despite being a bit on the thicker side, she had a very tight pussy, so despite being on day5 and getting a decent amount of action these past days, it wasn't long before I popped. Partway through mish it seemed like she was really into it so that likely helped the cause a bit.
Still had about 20 mins left of the 90 I booked, so she gave me a bit more massage on my back (I asked because it's been sore lately) and then a shower.
Total damage was 2100 bht + 500 bht tip.
Next up will likely be The Lord for a late afternoon / early evening trip - budget doesn't really bother me as I'm WAY ahead of where I thought I'd be budget wise; I even considered booking a Russian/Ukrainian girl despite the ridiculous prices just to break up the string of Asians, but I figure I'll be back in FKK-land in June and will have my fill of eastern european girls (including Russians). After than, likely either Thermae or Soi Cowboy again (or both). The girl from last night at Thermae has been on my mind, and if I see her again I would consider taking her again and seeing if she'd stay a bit longer. Maybe not LT / overnight, but perhaps a few hours for some longer play time. Or another shiny object (aka cute thai girl) will catch my eye instead.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2008918]What do understand by the words "sexually liberated"?
Are Thai wives not more tolerant of their husbands having a second wife (mia noi) or being entertained by sex providers than Western wives?
Is the sex business in Thailand not much more open & tolerated than it is in, say, the USA, Canada, Vietnam or England?
Don't many parents of Thai children knowingly allow, approve or even encourage their children to enter the sex trade?
In Canada since a few years ago paying for sex is outlawed, so I am not allowed to do it anywhere, at least not in this particular universe, as long as I remain under Canadian law, or a citizen of Canada. Fortunately LE, in certain Canadian cities, are not interested in enforcing this law when it involves consenting adults.
Strangely, while buying sex is illegal in Canada, selling it is not.
Consequently, due to LOS being more legally sexually liberated than Canada, even more Canadians than ever may be visiting Siam.[/QUOTE]None of those points come into play with what I mean by "sexual liberation. " I can illustrate this best with a personal example. Was taking a gal from G-Spot on a very frequent basis years ago. We had a talk about fetish play, nasty talk, and women being aggressive in bed. She was not into any of it and said, "I am not a dirty girl. " This coming from a gal who had been poked by scads of dudes. Thai women are still considered "bad girls" if they are overt about their sexuality, and most of the times that extends to the bedroom. Yes, there are exceptions; but this is the rule. They are not in the least sexually liberated.
Also, have you noticed the way Thai gals are dressing these days? As frumpy as it gets. Even among the freelancers you won't see tight sexy clothes. If you see short shorts on the streets of BKK, you can rest assured it's a tourist. This was not the case 4 years ago, but it is now. Uni gals used to basically compete to see who could wear the shortest tightest uniform. That's over. Longer skirts are the rule.
At The Lord now relaxing a bit and waiting too see if the lineup grows; about 8 girls here now, and one sideline girl that caught my eye, but going to have a beer first.
[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2009316]At The Lord now relaxing a bit and waiting too see if the lineup grows; about 8 girls here now, and one sideline girl that caught my eye, but going to have a beer first.[/QUOTE]You are a little early. I don't go there until 7 or 8 pm and usually when I am leaving between 9:30 and 10:30 the line up is still strong. On Sunday I noticed a very attractive sideline girl. She seemed very friendly and ready for action so I asked Mamasan Susan how much (knowing the answer in advance anyway). She replied XX category girl - 10,000 bt. Well that's above my price ceiling so I let her go and selected an adorable M category girl named An - 22 years old, my youngest Lord girl ever. An was my spec alright and really quite lovely. Her performance, however, was not as wild or as expertise and my two previous more experienced M category girls. But I had a great time with her anyway. Youth is its own virtue. So far this trip An has earned the title of finest tight little pussy.
Right now I am relaxing at my hotel getting ready for tonight's action. I plan to visit Crazy House tonight and hook up with one of my two CH favorites, B. She broke her phone a week ago and getting a hold of her has proven difficult. P, my other CH favorite is in her home town attending her father's funeral. So far this trip I have had a session with P solo while her sister, G, was in the living room watching tv. and a menage a trois reunion with P & B which was wonderful. I am looking forward to a solo with B tonight. I hope she is at the bar, but who knows? Not to worry. I will give her to 9:30 to show up and if she doesn't appear I will head over to Nana. I love this town.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2009245]I am into my 2nd week in BKK and I am having a great time. My only problem is I am torn between seeing my favorite girls again and again and again and satisfying my desire for NEW. There is just not enough time in a day to do all I want to do. So it is always a trade off.
Good reportage FormulaOneFan. I can confirm CH was packed to the rafters Saturday night. Shark doing ok too, but I was not that enthralled with the Shark selection except for one Coyote I liked the look of and an old friend, hostess girl Noi who I said Hello to and bought a drink for. Over in Nana, I like a number of the spinners in Twister. Two have become repeat friends. Billboard has some nice looking girls as well. I also checked out Rainbow 5 one night. Amazingly it had more customers than Twister, but the girls are not as good looking IMHO. Go figure the taste of East Asians. 555. I gather they like their girls light skinned, taller, with thicker legs than I do and are not as concerned as I am with pretty faces. Only one girl in RB5 interested me. Maybe I will take for a test drive at a later date.
IMHO forget Mitu. If the girls on their web site are any indication, this place is a no go. On the other hand, I have been to the Lord 3 times so far since I arrived in BKK and I have had great sessions all 3 times. Expensive you betcha. M category girls are 5800 bhat, but I have experienced white glove memorable service every time. My 2nd Lord girl Ploy, for example, spent 20 minutes in the Jacuzzi sucking my dick, balls and rimming me. Later on the bed she began rimming me again. After a while I suggested she straddle my head so I could return the favor and we went at it for at least another 30 minutes. She loved where I put my tongue and I loved her response. So far this was the most gnarly session of my trip. Finally I couldn't take anymore so I broke it off and she expertly cowgirled me until I came. It was a really great session, but then, all my Lord sessions have been really good so far. So my advice is check out the Lord and forget Mitu.
P.S. I will post a much more detailed trip report later after I return home in May! Again, BKK is still great. Reports of its demise are premature.[/QUOTE]You taste is very similar to mine. I agree with your bar selection. I went into Mitu and was shown the girl pics. The only one that appealed at all was not working. I don't think they have much for our taste. Skills of the girls mean little to me if they are ugly so I did not try.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2009328]You are a little early. I don't go there until 7 or 8 pm and usually when I am leaving between 9:30 and 10:30 the line up is still strong. On Sunday I noticed a very attractive sideline girl. She seemed very friendly and ready for action so I asked Mamasan Susan how much (knowing the answer in advance anyway). She replied XX category girl - 10,000 bt. Well that's above my price ceiling so I let her go and selected an adorable M category girl named An - 22 years old, my youngest Lord girl ever. An was my spec alright and really quite lovely. Her performance, however, was not as wild or as expertise and my two previous more experienced M category girls. But I had a great time with her anyway. Youth is its own virtue. So far this trip An has earned the title of finest tight little pussy.
Right now I am relaxing at my hotel getting ready for tonight's action. I plan to visit Crazy House tonight and hook up with one of my two CH favorites, B. She broke her phone a week ago and getting a hold of her has proven difficult. P, my other CH favorite is in her home town attending her father's funeral. So far this trip I have had a session with P solo while her sister, G, was in the living room watching tv. and a menage a trois reunion with P & B which was wonderful. I am looking forward to a solo with B tonight. I hope she is at the bar, but who knows? Not to worry. I will give her to 9:30 to show up and if she doesn't appear I will head over to Nana. I love this town.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I realize I was there a bit early to hit prime time lineup, but I wanted to make sure I had time to get another session in before the evening's activities. I know my body / libido, and at my age I need a good hour or two between shots to ensure I have a good time. No multiple pops in 90/120 min sessions for me most of the time (Eden club being a rare exception).
Had my beer and had a couple of smokes in the smoking lounge and the lineup definitely increased. A good 20-30 ladies by the time I was ready to make my choice. The sideline girl was still there, but an M level girl caught my eye. M6 Annie. She has a very european look to her face; fair skin and very strikingly different than the classic thai girl look. She has natural bee cups and a flat stomach, but her shorts outfit was hiding an ever so slightly larger ass than I had hoped. Not bad, just bigger than I expected by a touch. Anyway. I agree; The Lord has a great lineup, the rooms are very very nice, and the service was outstanding. Very good tub action, lots of mutual exploring and massaging. Only thing that was a bit awkward is she wanted to wash my hair. For a bit there I felt like a little kid getting his head scrubbed by mom in the tub LOL! Anyway onto the bed for the real action. Very good tease / BBBJ action with good ball action, mutual body roaming, and some light kissing. I didn't push for DFK, but I got the impression that with a repeat visit it would be on the table. Also didn't push for DATY, but fingering was all good. Sex in multiple positions, a short break mid-session to recuperate, and then a strong finish with her in cowgirl. Grinding away and not the 'porny' cowgirl where the girl lifts herself up over you and doesn't let you go deep. She was very playful and had VERY good english; in fact I asked her where she was from at the beginning due to her non-standard thai girl looks and her english skills with a distinct accent. When she spoke slowly she almost sounded spanish or italian instead of thai, when she spoke quickly her thai accent came out.
Overall a very good time. Will definitely repeat again tomorrow (my last day in BKK); thanks for the suggestion! Also seems like the kind of place you could hang around in, get some drinks and dinner, and have repeat sessions, unlike most of the other massage places. Only my second big soapy, so this may be common at all of them.
Tonight I will likely also hit CH after I get some dinner. May do a repeat of last night and bounce around Soi Cowboy and Thermae to see what strikes my fancy.
[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2009361]Only thing that was a bit awkward is she wanted to wash my hair.[/QUOTE]Get used to it. All part of the service. Perhaps you needed it? LOL.
I always preferred to avoid girls offers to give me manicure as well.
I have never yet seen the really great Lord line up. I assume I must have gone there too early, only twice visited so far, but rather few girls and most were ruled out by the surgeries.
It must be realised I am weird though. I could visit Nataree and see 100+ girls and still be struggling to pick a girl that appealed, and always struggled to pick a girl at La Belle as well. Maybe they are just too over dressed, over styled, and not quite natural enough looking. When I found stunners in the Thermae in recent times, they were always busy, or not interested in me (waiting for some one - perhaps Japanese) , so was tough there as well.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2009450]Get used to it. All part of the service. Perhaps you needed it? LOL.
I always preferred to avoid girls offers to give me manicure as well.
I have never yet seen the really great Lord line up. I assume I must have gone there too early, only twice visited so far, but rather few girls and most were ruled out by the surgeries.
It must be realised I am weird though. I could visit Nataree and see 100+ girls and still be struggling to pick a girl that appealed, and always struggled to pick a girl at La Belle as well. Maybe they are just too over dressed, over styled, and not quite natural enough looking. When I found stunners in the Thermae in recent times, they were always busy, or not interested in me (waiting for some one - perhaps Japanese) , so was tough there as well.[/QUOTE]Probably LOL. I'm not accustomed to this heat so I sweat a lot. She likely wanted to get all of me clean.
My penultimate night (I leave weds morning) of my first reasonable length trip to BKK; got some dinner and then contemplated what to do. As I am a creature of habit and prefer to keep my take-out options close to my hotel I decided yet again to hit up CH, this time at about 930 pm or so. Was busy, but not shit-show busy as it was on the weekend (expected). I started upstairs as I wanted to have a nice comfy seat and all the ones on the first floor were taken, stools only. And just the crap ones in the pinch points of the walkways. Entertained two nice, but not quite bar-finable quality ladies for a bit with lady drinks and some good fondling. One even unzipped my shorts and was stroking me underneath. Headed downstairs after a bit and took in the main show for about an hour. Mostly the same faces from the other night - 2 girls caught my eye #39 with a nice tight ass and a nice natural rack, and #144 again with her perky breasts and nice figure. She reminds me of a girl at Sharks FKK in Germany (who I promised I would never name on ISG, even outside of the Sharks thread), but a bit more petite and obviously with a thai girl face instead of Romanian. Neither quite got me to the point of bar-fining them though, and by both were snatched up by awaiting men as they left the dance floor.
Stuck to the plan from earlier and headed to Thermae with 2 agendas. Look for the stunners that got away the night before, and perhaps run into the girl I took home last night. Struck out on plan a), but success on plan b). Bought her a tomato juice (her choice) and we chatted for a bit before heading back to my hotel. Got to know her a bit more. She's 30, from Chang Mai, and her name sounds like "Kim", but with no "K"; no idea how it's spelled. As I suspected, a repeat session with her loosened her up quite a bit. We chatted some more at my room over waters before moving to the bedroom. Session was much like last night with the added features of very good and passionate DFK, and a mid-session round of DATY that she clearly enjoyed. She had all ready orgasmed at least once earlier during fucking (and she was wet and creamy to prove it), and a bit of oral stimulation led to another bucking and moaning O. Finished up with some mish / chair, and then doggie to seal the deal. Definitely the most GFE session I've had this trip. Glad I gave Thermae a chance the other night. I may try to see her tomorrow as well, we'll see.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2009343]Skills of the girls mean little to me if they are ugly so I did not try.[/QUOTE]Beauty is subjective. I don't believe I've ever seen you post a pic of any girl you have gone with.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2009687]Beauty is subjective. I don't believe I've ever seen you post a pic of any girl you have gone with.[/QUOTE]I've never met Syz, but I know of many of his top girls in FKK land. He does like the stunners.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2009343]You taste is very similar to mine. I agree with your bar selection. I went into Mitu and was shown the girl pics. The only one that appealed at all was not working. I don't think they have much for our taste. [/QUOTE]Yeah we share similar tastes in Asian girls, but the interesting thing is the different way we arrive at the relatively same destination. You are more analytical than I am studying symmetries and comparative features. I am more American, 555, in my approach and just know what I like when I see it. Friends have noted that many, if not most of my girls, all seem to have a similar look regardless of nationality or ethnic origin including my Colombian and Brazilian girls from my early years. What can I say? I like them cute & sexy; with tight little bodies ie small breasts / butts / no tummie rolls and relatively innocent fresh faces and then the closer; friendly demure dispositions.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2009687]Beauty is subjective. I don't believe I've ever seen you post a pic of any girl you have gone with.[/QUOTE]I have seen pictures of some of Syzygies's girls and we even have a few sexy friends in common. I can attest that he has strong preferences, perhaps stronger than mine, but he knows what he likes and he goes out there and gets it. Which is not too different from you or me.
BTW, I like some of your Jakarta girls, they are sexy and cute too. I am looking forward to my upcoming visit to Jakarta in a few weeks after I reluctantly leave BKK. Malio/Malioboro is my favorite bordello in Asia.
P.S. I arrived at CH around 8:45 last night. B arrived around 8:45. We then had a wonderful, intimate one on one. Syzygies, B is a demure and relatively shy girl. She put her hand over my eyes to prevent me from looking up and seeing her facial expression as I licked her pussy, then she abandoned the blind when her sexual feelings got the better of her. I can assure you B is no longer dick scared, at least not scared of my dick. LOL. She also likes to kiss and palm other girl's breasts which makes her a lot of fun in threesomes with P. P is coming back to BKK tomorrow. Yeah!
I love BKK.
At Natty. I envy your long trip. I thought six nights would be almost too much for me, but I'm remorseful that I'm leaving tomorrow. I'm debating what my last afternoon / evening agenda should be; I want to take another trip to The Lord, probably hit some GoGo's again for the music and the experience of the chaos that these clubs are, and of course after last night's GFE experience with my gal from Thermae, I'm super tempted to show up there early and just take her for the entire evening rather than waiting until after 11 pm.
And of course there is always a quick trip to an oily or BJ bar to pass some time.
Decisions decisions.
Decided to go checkout Mango; figured it's one of the more talked about shops and it's a short walk from my hotel. Lineup was six girls; I had read that Prae gets generally positive reviews, but she was busy. Picked based on looks. Face and body, making sure to avoid yesterday's mistake of getting a hidden belly. Ended up choosing Ae. Natural bee cups, probably late 20's / early 30's by her look, and an acceptable figure once derobed. Shower, and asked to skip the precursor massage and straight to the action. LFK turned into DFK, and the BBBJ progressed into 69 that went on for a good 15-20 mins. Cap on and some good energetic fucking in a few positions before I blew.
Good experience. Best so far in an oily for me. Not mind blowing by any measure, but solid.
Damage 2100 + 500 tip.
[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2009773]Decided to go checkout Mango; figured it's one of the more talked about shops and it's a short walk from my hotel. Lineup was six girls; I had read that Prae gets generally positive reviews, but she was busy. Picked based on looks. Face and body, making sure to avoid yesterday's mistake of getting a hidden belly. Ended up choosing Ae. Natural bee cups, probably late 20's / early 30's by her look, and an acceptable figure once derobed. Shower, and asked to skip the precursor massage and straight to the action. LFK turned into DFK, and the BBBJ progressed into 69 that went on for a good 15-20 mins. Cap on and some good energetic fucking in a few positions before I blew.
Good experience. Best so far in an oily for me. Not mind blowing by any measure, but solid.
Damage 2100 + 500 tip.[/QUOTE]Can confirm your experience, was there last week and they have about 3 new girls that lock really hot! And as well the "older" staff like Anna are always a very good option as the quality was always good when I went there.
Never get disappointed so far over there. Maybe I was just lucky.
[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2008047] #80 named Nam Dtaan at Crazy House? biggest gigantic silicone boobs. [/QUOTE]Thanks XratedBangkok. I am looking for girls with larger silicone boobs, except for Crazy House, where should I look? On previous trips a few years ago I did not find much in the category, but things might have changed?
[QUOTE=Wiild;2009829]Thanks XratedBangkok. I am looking for girls with larger silicone boobs, except for Crazy House, where should I look? On previous trips a few years ago I did not find much in the category, but things might have changed?[/QUOTE]She's definitely the biggest I've seen this trip, but I haven't extensively samoled the gogo bars. Seen a fair bit of silicon on FLs and at massage joints, but nothing at the scale of her bolt ONS.
Decided to revisit The Lord after a short rest. Line up was decent sized, and the girl I went with yesterday was present, but I hate to say it but nothing struck my fancy. Spent about 45 mins there having a beer and a few smokes while deciding if any girl was to my taste, and then decided to leave. Not a dig on Lord, more likely my waning energy and desire for a great punt on my last day.
Tonight will likely be similar to last night; gogo and thermae deciding between a sure good time and something new.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2009687]Beauty is subjective. I don't believe I've ever seen you post a pic of any girl you have gone with.[/QUOTE]I certainly have in the past. In more recent years I have posted pics of girls from former times or recent girls with head omitted for privacy of the girl.
I would certainly post pics if could be sure they would not be misused or cause trouble for someone.
Maybe I could post a girl and quickly delete it again. LOL
I can tell you I like cute little upturned natural noses and faces not very broad at all. Skinny faces if any but not sunken cheeks. So no round faces or square faces. Slightly large lips is nice. Angela Jolie when she was young. LOL
Natty,
I don't have to analyse all of a girls measurements to know if I think she is gorgeous. It can take just one second. I only analyse afterwards in order to examplain roughly what is my spec. Other guys who need voluptuous or pornstars can ignore my skinny girl recommendations.
Silicones or weird noses often do put me off girls unless they are very well done surgeries.
Naturally was highly attracted to that Suzi girl in just one second. Unfortunately first time saw her, she was sitting on some other guy's lap.
I am very sure you would like Donut from Crazy House but unfortunately she hardly ever works there any more. I will probably return to BKK Saturday, and so will check if Donut is working at all.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2009863]So no round faces or square faces. Slightly large lips is nice. ..[/QUOTE]I suspect men who are into round or broad faces are also into swarthy women rather than into skinny women. A broad face goes together with a broadish body rather than a vertically elongated body. I remember a man telling me oval faces put him off. I found that strange since I like faces to be oval (with the larger axes being the vertical one of course). In a woman I like everything that points to upward growth (apical dominance).
After my failed attempt at Lord, I had a nice dinner and contemplated my options. Since I had dinner near Nana, I decided to walk back towards Asok and pop into Thermae to see if my girl was there. I walked in, got a drink, and then went to use the bathroom. On the way I saw she was present and I briefly said Hello, on my way to relieve myself. I wandered back not more than 5 mins later and she was GONE! This was about 930 pm; not sure if she was still around or had found business, I hung around for a few minutes and did a couple of laps to make sure I didn't miss her. Nope, she was gone. Decided to head to Soi Cowboy to see what was up. Baccarat was crazy packed (all 3 floors), as was CH. Had a drink at Baccarat and then popped into a couple of other GoGo's to check things out. Amazing how most other bars are almost empty and 2-3 dominate the scene. Anyway, it was getting to be 1030 ish, so I figured what the hell, I'll wander back to Thermae one last time. As I start a lap after getting a drink I spot her again. She was back, so I didn't waste any time this time around. Figuring it was my last night, and I didn't want just a quick one and done, we wandered towards my hotel and got a table at Indulge and chatted as best we could with her broken english, my no thai, and the loud street. We each had a couple of drinks and then we headed to my room. Needless to say night 3 was even more GFE and fun than the previous night. Friendly playful sex with every aspect that 'non-pro' experiences have. It was a great way to end my BKK adventure for sure. I would have asked her to stay the night (she would have), but I have to catch a cab at 6 am tomorrow, so it made more sense for us to say our goodbyes and call it a night. We exchanged info and if I'm back in BKK anytime soon I will make sure to look her up.
FoF signing off for now.
[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2009851]She's definitely the biggest I've seen this trip, but I haven't extensively samoled the gogo bars. Seen a fair bit of silicon on FLs and at massage joints, but nothing at the scale of her bolt ONS.[/QUOTE]Thanks FormulaOneFan I will start at Crazy House and also check out rainbow 2. Re: Freelancers: I wonder if the Dance / Night-Clubs like Sugar, Climax, Insanity or Narz could have some enhanced-busty freelancing talent. Thermae and Lords are also on my to-do list after reading your posts as I like different scenes and environments.
[QUOTE=Wiild;2009972]Thanks FormulaOneFan I will start at Crazy House and also check out rainbow 2. Re: Freelancers: I wonder if the Dance / Night-Clubs like Sugar, Climax, Insanity or Narz could have some enhanced-busty freelancing talent. Thermae and Lords are also on my to-do list after reading your posts as I like different scenes and environments.[/QUOTE]You can add MIXX, Spasso, OSKAR, Shock 39 , Levels, Ce La Vie, Bossy to your collection of night clubs. Narz I think is a thing of the past last time I was there in April it was a ghost place nothing at all.
Cheers: Have fun.
Peace.
[QUOTE=XXL;2009907]I suspect men who are into round or broad faces are also into swarthy women rather than into skinny women. A broad face goes together with a broadish body rather than a vertically elongated body. I remember a man telling me oval faces put him off. I found that strange since I like faces to be oval (with the larger axes being the vertical one of course). In a woman I like everything that points to upward growth (apical dominance).[/QUOTE]Swarthy means dark-skinned. Not sure how that relates to skinny or broad. I like well proportioned women who are not too thin, but for sure not fat or broad. I do like oval or almond shaped faces.
[QUOTE=XXL;2009907]I suspect men who are into round or broad faces are also into swarthy women rather than into skinny women. A broad face goes together with a broadish body rather than a vertically elongated body. I remember a man telling me oval faces put him off. I found that strange since I like faces to be oval (with the larger axes being the vertical one of course). In a woman I like everything that points to upward growth (apical dominance).[/QUOTE]You have me bamboozled. Swarthy is a strange word to use, very old fashioned and slightly derogatory or possibly with racist overtones 50+ years ago I imagine (maybe not), and never comes up here, and I guess you intended something else, since does not seem to have anything to do with skinny or non skinny.
I see I am just repeating Goatscrot, in a way.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2010061]Swarthy means dark-skinned. Not sure how that relates to skinny or broad. I like well proportioned women who are not too thin, but for sure not fat or broad. I do like oval or almond shaped faces.[/QUOTE]I meant stocky.
[QUOTE=Wiild;2009972]Thanks FormulaOneFan I will start at Crazy House and also check out rainbow 2. Re: Freelancers: I wonder if the Dance / Night-Clubs like Sugar, Climax, Insanity or Narz could have some enhanced-busty freelancing talent. Thermae and Lords are also on my to-do list after reading your posts as I like different scenes and environments.[/QUOTE]What you find and take away might turn into a "Coyote Ugly", situation. Those ladies wear a lot of makeup and in the low light they look great. Don't use the small head to make your choice. Take the one you choose into the light and then proceed.
RL.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2010327] Take the one you choose into the light and then proceed.RL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the wise words RL! . to me the game, the hunt in the dark can sometimes be more satisfyiying and fulfilling than the end-game in the bright room. But I will be cautious, promise!
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2010327]What you find and take away might turn into a "Coyote Ugly", situation. Those ladies wear a lot of makeup and in the low light they look great. Don't use the small head to make your choice. Take the one you choose into the
RL.[/QUOTE]In my recent visit to Soi Cowboy I noted the use of red lights above the stage and at the side of the bars. This is to enhance the appearance of the skin. It was exciting to see the girls naked on the bar in CH. Later, when I returned to CH from another bar I saw some of the girls on the street outside having a smoke and eating. They wore nice robes, but I could not help but think how ordinary they looked. It must be difficult to make a judgement of appearance in the bar or indeed also outside the bar if the neon lights are on. What you need is a flashlight with a natural daylight lamp.
[QUOTE=WarmStone25;2010417]In my recent visit to Soi Cowboy I noted the use of red lights above the stage and at the side of the bars. This is to enhance the appearance of the skin. It was exciting to see the girls naked on the bar in CH. Later, when I returned to CH from another bar I saw some of the girls on the street outside having a smoke and eating. They wore nice robes, but I could not help but think how ordinary they looked. It must be difficult to make a judgement of appearance in the bar or indeed also outside the bar if the neon lights are on. What you need is a flashlight with a natural daylight lamp.[/QUOTE]Red lights have been a mainstay of BKK GoGo bars for as long as I can remember. And yes, it is to make the gals look better. Most are dark skinned Isaan gals, who in the light of day would not turn your head in the least. These days so many have surgery to get rid of the flat nose, the square jaw, and other features that to many men make them less than attractive. In GoGo, Thermae, and other venues these days the number of gals with sub-par surgeries is overwhelming. Stay here long enough and you will see through the illusion created by those lights and surgeries and the GoGo gals won't look good at all and neither will most of the FLs.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2010431]Red lights have been a mainstay of BKK GoGo bars for as long as I can remember. And yes, it is to make the gals look better. Most are dark skinned Isaan gals, who in the light of day would not turn your head in the least. These days so many have surgery to get rid of the flat nose, the square jaw, and other features that to many men make them less than attractive. In GoGo, Thermae, and other venues these days the number of gals with sub-par surgeries is overwhelming. Stay here long enough and you will see through the illusion created by those lights and surgeries and the GoGo gals won't look good at all and neither will most of the FLs.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't find the often occurring wide Thai nose of Thai sex workers to be attractive. Nor the skin that was born tanned.
OTOH the often full, great for BBBJs & smooching, Angelina Jolie type lips, slim short bodies, round little bubble butts, long straight black or dyed red hair, is magnificent.
When added to all they have to offer in submissive shy attitudes, great service, a most excellent menu & dirt cheap prices, it's like having died and gone to heaven.
To my tastes, I don't imagine any surgery on the wide nosed ones would not be an improvement.
Guys,
I tried a lot all over the world and of course all of us like different things but the Milking Table with ME2 and EE1 was something I will remember. Some would claim it is possible to find better looking girls but in the end it is the pleasing attitude that counts for me. And it was never better. They were literally spinning around on my command. They tried so hard to please me. It was like they took it so seriously they started to whisper together doing my dick the second time. The included anal was too harmful for them that we gave up in the end but again they tried so hard. We also had a fun time together and they seemed to be happy in my company. When they saw the person I am they could even take it a little rough. But as always you will have to balance and see how far the girl will go. So be nice to them and they will pay you back with all they have. The table itself was not the turning point but the girls were.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2008760]That would help, but talking with the girls, those guys also have a reputation for bar fining the girls then having 10 other guys waiting in the room to gang bang the girl. It's not just that they are cheap. There are multiple reasons they ban those guys.[/QUOTE]WTF, only 1 guy pays and other 10 guys want a share for free. That's being cheap at its finest. LOL.
Similar joke will be 1 guy paying for buffet entry for 2 hours, and all his friends are waiting outside of the restaurant, taking turns to get in with every one eating for 10 minutes. LOL.
By the way, by the time I'm typing this, I just saw a Bangladeshi guy haggling for room price at the hotel reception for nearly an hour. LOL.
First time to Thailand and was in BKK for three weekdays. I didn't think I would have any down time to relax but after RTFF, it turns out my hotel is fairly close to Patpong and I decide to hit a Blowjob bar. I don't want to waste time ogling, don't want to waste time chatting to see if there is chemistry, just get a blowjob and leave. So, I head to Star of Light. Thanks to the forum, I was able to find it easily.
Walk up to the bar and there are girls sitting outside the door. The girl closest to the door stands up, opens the door and welcomes me in. I go inside and oh my, this place is very very small! It's like the complete opposite of the TARDIS. A lot smaller on the inside. I have taken one step in and I am touching the bar with my right hand and my left leg is touching the mamasans knees as she is sitting on the couch. For some reason, I thought for sure there would be more girls inside but no. This is a super small bar. I step back outside, look at the other girls and decide that the girl that opened the door for me would do. I ask for a beer and Lek goes and gets me a cold Chang and her kit. She takes me to the back room which is really a bathroom with a sitting area. Lek starts preparing and I desperately need to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] but at the same time I have an erection. So, I am standing over the urinal trying to take a leak and nothing is coming out because I am hard. After about a minute of standing there and realizing I am having plumbing issues, Lek comes over and grabs my cock from behind me. It's super sexy that she is holding my dick over the urinal and I am sure she was just trying to help but her massaging makes me ever harder. And harder to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. I finally take a leak while Lek is holding my dick and then she walks me by my cock over to the sitting area. There are two triangle seats and she has put a towel down on one. I take off my pants, sit down and Lek starts licking. No cleaning, no antiseptic wipes just a straight tongue cleaning. What an awesome blowjob. This girl is super talented. Drinking beer, watching Leks head go up and down, playing with her tits and she was so accomodating. At one point I stood up and asked her to lick my balls while I teabagged her. I cum in her mouth, she spits it out into a napkin, and then she grabs my cock again, stands me up, pulls me over to the sink and gives my cock a nice washing. I love this place!
Went back to the bar and there were two other punters in there. Each sitting down on one of the couches and getting their knobs sucked. I still hadn't finished my beer so I took a seat at the bar, bought Lek a Lady's Drink (150 THB). Lek isn't much of a talker but she smiles and she started giving me a nice back rub. Not sure what the protocol here would be: I am sitting at a bar getting a back rub and two punters are right next to me getting BJs. One of them was moaning quite a bit and then stopped when I came and sat at the bar. Do you acknowledge your fellow punter, do you go over and give them a high five, do you avoid eye contact completely? I finished my beer, paid, tipped Lek and left without making eye contact.
Got back to the hotel and felt a little disappointed that I hadn't stayed longer so I make a plan to return the next day. I get there around 1 PM and there are about half a dozen girls but no Lek. Mamasan tells me Lek will be here around 2:00 and encourages me to grab another girl. I go back outside and grab Sie. Late 20's, skinny and short with pigtails. There was also a heavily pregnant girl there (7-8 months) but that's not my thing (even though her tits looked really big. Just saying).
When I chose Sie, she jumped up, smiling like she had just been choosen to come on down for The Price is Right. We go inside, order a Chang and she takes me to the back room. Again, I have to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]! (I don't know why but Thailand is really really hot and I am sweating like a beast and I think I need to drink water like an elephant to compensate for all the water I am sweating). So, I go to the urinal and same thing. I can't take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] because I have an erection. Too funny. Finally [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], sit down, Sie is waiting for me on her knees and she cleans my cock with a sanitary wipe. She puts on baby oil and goes to town. Lots of tongue action, ball rubbing and eye contact, oh my god it felt good. This was total cock worship. For 10 minutes she just kept on sucking me. What a trooper. We finish, she cleans me with another wipe and I go and sit down on one of the couches.
I buy Sie a Ladys Drink and she sits with me with her hand rubbing my cock. In the meantime, another punter had walked in and he is a regular. Lucky bastard. Sits down, a girl brings him a Diet Coke and her and the pregnant girl start sucking him off.
In ten minutes, I am hard again and start fooling around with her. I have taken off her top and she is sitting on my legs while I am sucking on her tits. I ask if I can touch her pussy and she takes off her underwear and hikes up her skirt. I am sucking on her tits, finger in her pussy and drinking Chang beer. Other girls are starting to come in now and because this bar is so small, they are changing out of their street cloths and into their work cloths right in front of me! I point to the tits of one of the girls changing and give her a thumbs up. She comes over and with the palms of my hands together, I say "Sawardi-krap" to each of her tits. Everyone gets a good laugh out of that one. She bends over and shakes her tits over my lips.
I am still fooling around with Sie and I ask her for a blowjob. She gets her kit, wipes me clean, puts baby oil on. Meanwhile, next door, the non-pregnant girl sits on a bar stool facing the punter and starts masterbating in front of him. And me. This is so hot. A girl is getting ready to give me a blowjob, I am watching a guy get sucked off by a pregnant chick, a girl is fingering herself and other girls are undressing.
Sie keeps sucking me off and the girl that shook her tits in front of me comes over and asks if she can have my sperm? I check with Sie who is concentrating on sucking me off and she agrees. Sham joins in and she has a very talented and soft lips. She definitely has more experience and tells Sie what to do like "mouth on each side of cock". So good. Since I had just cum, it was taking me a while to cum again but I was hard and truly enjoying every second of it. The other punter has taken off so it's just me and all the girls in the bar. We tried so many positions. At one point I had my middle fingers in Sie's and Sham's pussies while their lips were teasing my cock. In another, Sham asked if I wanted to "boom-boom" Sie while she licks my balls. Very tempting but I was really enjoying myself so didn't bother. So many positions, so many smiles. Lek walked in halfway through, she sees me, I shout out her name and she sees I am smiling and happy. Three girls? Not today. About 25 minutes or so of sucking me off, the mamasan says something and Sham tells me that they might stop in ten minutes. I am fine with this as they have been really good so far and continue to enjoy this amazing blowjob. In about 5 minutes, I stand up and start to jerk off while Sie licks my balls and Sham is ready with her open mouth right in front of my dick. Lek and another girl are standing next to the bar and start watching. Lek is gyrating and cheering me on. Beautiful.
Afterwards, I buy a Lady's Drink for both girls, we sit together, we chat. These girls were so much fun. They mentioned that if I took them to short time hotel, it would be a lot more relaxed and all I would have to do is lie there and they would do everything. They shared stories with me about punters coming in and doing some crazy things like having the girls line up and getting blowjobs as they went down the line. Star of Light really is an amazing Blowjob Bar. I love this place and I hope I come back to Thailand again.
Had such a good time in BKK the past week I'm already planning a return sooner than initially planned. Hoping to re-connect with my gal from Thermae (we've been chatting via WhatsApp) and possibly take her to the beach for the weekend or something. If only BKK was closer.
[QUOTE=Gunnerre;2010732]Guys,
I tried a lot all over the world and of course all of us like different things but the Milking Table with ME2 and EE1 was something I will remember. Some would claim it is possible to find better looking girls but in the end it is the pleasing attitude that counts for me. And it was never better. They were literally spinning around on my command. They tried so hard to please me. It was like they took it so seriously they started to whisper together doing my dick the second time. The included anal was too harmful for them that we gave up in the end but again they tried so hard. We also had a fun time together and they seemed to be happy in my company. When they saw the person I am they could even take it a little rough. But as always you will have to balance and see how far the girl will go. So be nice to them and they will pay you back with all they have. The table itself was not the turning point but the girls were.[/QUOTE]This is suspect, the table was nothing like in the ad,(small and dirty) they did not even bring something to cove table, both girls turned their checks on way in door when I tried to kiss them, no what they advertise at all, one smelled like smoke asked if she could smoke on balcony before she showered! What a joke, not gfx at all, while in shower would not let me touch them, keep saying when we go back to table, that was it I sent them packing! Give the non smoker 1,00 o bat for her troubles (I must of been in good mood) I don't smell and even had a suite at Lebua, horrible horrible horrible experience, I was so looking forward to it and was junk!
[QUOTE=Gunnerre;2010732]Guys,
I tried a lot all over the world and of course all of us like different things but the Milking Table with ME2 and EE1 was something I will remember. Some would claim it is possible to find better looking girls but in the end it is the pleasing attitude that counts for me. And it was never better. They were literally spinning around on my command. They tried so hard to please me. It was like they took it so seriously they started to whisper together doing my dick the second time. The included anal was too harmful for them that we gave up in the end but again they tried so hard. We also had a fun time together and they seemed to be happy in my company. When they saw the person I am they could even take it a little rough. But as always you will have to balance and see how far the girl will go. So be nice to them and they will pay you back with all they have. The table itself was not the turning point but the girls were.[/QUOTE]Do you talking about this one? [URL]http://www.bangkokbbw.com/services[/URL].
I was leaving Pattaya, my heart full, my testicles empty. I had great moments at the Skyfall, I remember Na's vagina, Ni's ass. I spent great time. It was time to leave, Jo the taxi is waiting for me with his luxury Toyota Crown. I will come back to this Paradise place. I am proud of my achievements and I think I will be remembered. If I come every year, I may get my bronze statute on Soi 6, having done so much for the economy of the country. I check the time on my new Rolex and I give my new Pussy, Gucci, leather bag to Jo. We have a two-hour journey ahead. Jo closes the door and starts the engine of his powerful Toyota. The back seat is so comfy, I take the opportunity to open a book of accounting for my next exam. My back is scratching and I take off the price tag of my new T-shirt. I take the opportunity to call my wife and give some update on Paris "the weather is grey, the flat of Jean-Michel is new, I climbed the Eiffel tower".
The car crosses the town, I look a last time at the sea and this wave that will never reach the moon and dies on the shore. My phone vibrates, Ni, Na and Nang have recognized me at the traffic light and sent me a text with a sad face. I take the opportunity to text Uncle V to thank him for his tips, I had a great time. We leave the city for palm trees and rice fields, the green landscape is amazing. Some peasants are beating a poor bull to plough through a muddy field"faster Victor Newman, faster, we have to finish before dawn". Sad life, he could have lived in a nice farm in Brittany. I think about all these girls, Na had such a tight anus, it was amazing, though it was unfortunate she had diarrhea. Ni was great, I loved kissing her pussy and eating the mushrooms around it, a bit like a "langue de boeuf" I used to have at home when entering winter. Na had the sauce. "Did you have a good time?" asks Jo looking at me through the mirror. "Oh you cannot imagine" I reply. Jo adds that he has good addresses in Bangkok. "I am not sure I will have time, I have to catch up with so many girls first, maybe I should organize some gangbangs to save time". Jo replies "you have such a health man! A real dark horse! Everybody talks about you at Pattaya".
I fall asleep. Suddenly I wake up, I have jizzed in my pants. Usually at this time I have already fucked one or two girls. My organism got quickly used to it. Half an hour later we arrive in the suburbs of Bangkok, I then recognize the street and the nana hotel. The nana-hotel, a well established brothel, an institution. Jo takes out my bag and gives me his business card for girls for later. I thank him and generously tip him 10 bahts. "Hello Mr. Crapediem" greets the porter. "Ni, Nan and Piaan" are waiting for you in your usual suit". I enter the room. The porter wants to enter, I tell him to go back to the lobby. Ni comes towards me, she is naked, she got a bit fatter since last year. Her pussy is shouting "hungry, I am hungry", it is smooth and shiny, I take off my genuine fake reeban. Nan shows me her brown hole, such a beauty, I look closer and kiss it, so tasty. Then Piaan arrives, well she has a little willy instead of a pussy. Diversity is great isn't it?
The session last one hour. The three girls cannot walk anymore, I have to call the porter to bring a trolley and kick them out. I go outside on the busy streets. It is chaotic. I manage to find a quiet bar, "the post office" and order a mango juice. It is 2 pm and I take the opportunity to go for a massage. I feel good and I am horny again. I usually separate sex and massage, but I will make an exception. My intuition was right! The lady has an electric foufou! Like Louis de Funes, I get electric shocks when I enter my tongue.
Then I stop at La Poste, order a mango juice. I take my phone and read my favorite blog and once again the advice of FormulaOne. I know the Soi Cowboy very well and head towards it. I go in the first bar, girls are not up to my taste, I show my heels and raise my arm "sub-standard". I enter the following bar "me love you long time", I like that, it sounds like Victor. Hugo or Baudelaire, such a beautiful verse. "me love you long time", long time? You won't be able to work for the rest of the season! I feel so horny that I pay her the LD immediately and fuck her on the till ST, VST! Other customers are a bit shocked, well, I don't prevent them from joining us. That was the aperitive, I then seat at the back of the bar. The NaughtyBhave has hired two new girls this year. I ask the monger, "they are very fresh, straight from Cambodia, with all their legs and arms, very rare on the market! Cambodia. I am afraid of finding a landmine in the pussy. I order another mango juice and notice I am short of cash. I decide to head towards the nana to find a cheap WG on the street. I find one, she is very old, her fifties. I like cougars. She tells me she can do anything I ask her for 5 bahts. She adds that her anus is still very tight, 2. 5 cm diameter maximum and shows it to me. I finger her on the street, good quality. I bring her to my bedroom and enlarge her anus to 4. 8 cm. She will have to retire. She leaves, crying, the end of her career at Bangkok. I take out my diary and adds "+1". Tomorrow I will reach 20, the target a friend fixed me to get a free pint at the Cock Inn. I switch off the light and text my wife "the sun is piercing clouds, I am having lunch with Thierry."
Hi Indy, I realize I could google location but where is it? Did you see any big boob girls? Thanks for the entertaining post. Especially the protocol for multiple knob polishings right there at the bar. Hilarious.
[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2010862] amazing Blowjob Bar. I love this place and I hope I come back to Thailand again.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=DCups;2011009]I realize I could google location but where is it?[/QUOTE]Patpong. Patpong 2 if I recall correctly. Only went there once about seven years ago.
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944]I was leaving Pattaya, my heart full, my testicles empty. I had great moments at the Skyfall, I remember Na's vagina, Ni's ass. I spent great time. It was time to leave, Jo the taxi is waiting for me with his luxury Toyota Crown. I will come back to this Paradise place. I am proud of my achievements and I think I will be remembered. If I come every year, I may get my bronze statute on Soi 6, having done so much for the economy of the country. I check the time on my new Rolex and I give my new Pussy, Gucci, leather bag to Jo. We have a two-hour journey ahead. Jo closes the door and starts the engine of his powerful Toyota. The back seat is so comfy, I take the opportunity to open a book of accounting for my next exam. My back is scratching and I take off the price tag of my new T-shirt. I take the opportunity to call my wife and give some update on Paris "the weather is grey, the flat of Jean-Michel is new, I climbed the Eiffel tower".
The car crosses the town, I look a last time at the sea and this wave that will never reach the moon and dies on the shore. My phone vibrates, Ni, Na and Nang have recognized me at the traffic light and sent me a text with a sad face. I take the opportunity to text Uncle V to thank him for his tips, I had a great time. We leave the city for palm trees and rice fields, the green landscape is amazing. Some peasants are beating a poor bull to plough through a muddy field"faster Victor Newman, faster, we have to finish before dawn". Sad life, he could have lived in a nice farm in Brittany. I think about all these girls, Na had such a tight anus, it was amazing, though it was unfortunate she had diarrhea. Ni was great, I loved kissing her pussy and eating the mushrooms around it, a bit like a "langue de boeuf" I used to have at home when entering winter. Na had the sauce. "Did you have a good time?" asks Jo looking at me through the mirror. "Oh you cannot imagine" I reply. Jo adds that he has good addresses in Bangkok. "I am not sure I will have time, I have to catch up with so many girls first, maybe I should organize some gangbangs to save time". Jo replies "you have such a health man! A real dark horse! Everybody talks about you at Pattaya".
I fall asleep. Suddenly I wake up, I have jizzed in my pants. Usually at this time I have already fucked one or two girls. My organism got quickly used to it. Half an hour later we arrive in the suburbs of Bangkok, I then recognize the street and the nana hotel. The nana-hotel, a well established brothel, an institution. Jo takes out my bag and gives me his business card for girls for later. I thank him and generously tip him 10 bahts. "Hello Mr. Crapediem" greets the porter. "Ni, Nan and Piaan" are waiting for you in your usual suit". I enter the room. The porter wants to enter, I tell him to go back to the lobby. Ni comes towards me, she is naked, she got a bit fatter since last year. Her pussy is shouting "hungry, I am hungry", it is smooth and shiny, I take off my genuine fake reeban. Nan shows me her brown hole, such a beauty, I look closer and kiss it, so tasty. Then Piaan arrives, well she has a little willy instead of a pussy. Diversity is great isn't it?
The session last one hour. The three girls cannot walk anymore, I have to call the porter to bring a trolley and kick them out. I go outside on the busy streets. It is chaotic. I manage to find a quiet bar, "the post office" and order a mango juice. It is 2 pm and I take the opportunity to go for a massage. I feel good and I am horny again. I usually separate sex and massage, but I will make an exception. My intuition was right! The lady has an electric foufou! Like Louis de Funes, I get electric shocks when I enter my tongue.
Then I stop at La Poste, order a mango juice. I take my phone and read my favorite blog and once again the advice of FormulaOne. I know the Soi Cowboy very well and head towards it. I go in the first bar, girls are not up to my taste, I show my heels and raise my arm "sub-standard". I enter the following bar "me love you long time", I like that, it sounds like Victor. Hugo or Baudelaire, such a beautiful verse. "me love you long time", long time? You won't be able to work for the rest of the season! I feel so horny that I pay her the LD immediately and fuck her on the till ST, VST! Other customers are a bit shocked, well, I don't prevent them from joining us. That was the aperitive, I then seat at the back of the bar. The NaughtyBhave has hired two new girls this year. I ask the monger, "they are very fresh, straight from Cambodia, with all their legs and arms, very rare on the market! Cambodia. I am afraid of finding a landmine in the pussy. I order another mango juice and notice I am short of cash. I decide to head towards the nana to find a cheap WG on the street. I find one, she is very old, her fifties. I like cougars. She tells me she can do anything I ask her for 5 bahts. She adds that her anus is still very tight, 2. 5 cm diameter maximum and shows it to me. I finger her on the street, good quality. I bring her to my bedroom and enlarge her anus to 4. 8 cm. She will have to retire. She leaves, crying, the end of her career at Bangkok. I take out my diary and adds "+1". Tomorrow I will reach 20, the target a friend fixed me to get a free pint at the Cock Inn. I switch off the light and text my wife "the sun is piercing clouds, I am having lunch with Thierry."[/QUOTE]Well that was a very entertaining report, especially as post number 1. Unfortunately it is lacking any useful information and is written like we should know you already because you have been a forum member for years. Are you an existing member who has opened a 2nd account?
What would be useful to know would be how much was the ride from Pattaya to Bangkok? Who did you book the ladies with that were waiting in your hotel room in Bangkok? Were they freelancers or do they work for an agency? What were their rates? Other than he girls names from Skyfall in Pattaya, what else can you tell us about your experience in Pattaya? What were the good Soi 6 bars?
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944] "I order a mango juice" "[/QUOTE]Classic! I am looking forward to day 2 of this epic adventure.
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944] The three girls cannot walk anymore, I have to call the porter to bring a trolley and kick them out.[/QUOTE]I don't care that this is probably all [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] it was an incredibly funny read. Hahahah I love it.
Its good to read that white western guys can have successes in Thermae as opposed to the girls having interest solely in Japanese and locals, for example.
Am wondering if you stay at the hotel above Thermae whether you can take freelancers to the room without problems / questions / payments etc. Any thoughts?
QUOTE=ThreeLilBirds;2011277.
I don't care that this is probably all it was an incredibly funny read. Hahahah I love it.
For a high roller I question the Nana Hotel, the tipping of 10 and 5 baht and the excessive mango drinks. The BKKdog has also taken a bite by asking some very good questions.
RL.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2010758]WTF, only 1 guy pays and other 10 guys want a share for free. That's being cheap at its finest. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].
[QUOTE=Penguin69;2011355]Its good to read that white western guys can have successes in Thermae as opposed to the girls having interest solely in Japanese and locals, for example.
Am wondering if you stay at the hotel above Thermae whether you can take freelancers to the room without problems / questions / payments etc. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I'd suggest checking out the 100's of reviews on hotel booking sites, such as booking dot com.
They'll tell you just about anything you want to know about a hotel.
Alternately it's not that far to, say, for example, Nana Hotel, from Thermae. Maybe a 15 minute brisk walk, or faster by vehicle. Or other nearby hotels well known to take FLs without problems, questions or fees.
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944]I was leaving Pattaya, my heart full, my testicles empty. I had great moments at the Skyfall, I remember Na's vagina, Ni's ass. I spent great time. It was time to leave, Jo the taxi is waiting for me with his luxury Toyota Crown. I will come back to this Paradise place. I am proud of my achievements and I think I will be remembered. If I come every year, I may get my bronze statute on Soi 6, having done so much for the economy of the country. I check the time on my new Rolex and I give my new Pussy, Gucci, leather bag to Jo. We have a two-hour journey ahead. Jo closes the door and starts the engine of his powerful Toyota. The back seat is so comfy, I take the opportunity to open a book of accounting for my next exam. My back is scratching and I take off the price tag of my new T-shirt. I take the opportunity to call my wife and give some update on Paris "the weather is grey, the flat of Jean-Michel is new, I climbed the Eiffel tower".
The car crosses the town, I look a last time at the sea and this wave that will never reach the moon and dies on the shore. My phone vibrates, Ni, Na and Nang have recognized me at the traffic light and sent me a text with a sad face. I take the opportunity to text Uncle V to thank him for his tips, I had a great time. We leave the city for palm trees and rice fields, the green landscape is amazing. Some peasants are beating a poor bull to plough through a muddy field"faster Victor Newman, faster, we have to finish before dawn". Sad life, he could have lived in a nice farm in Brittany. I think about all these girls, Na had such a tight anus, it was amazing, though it was unfortunate she had diarrhea. Ni was great, I loved kissing her pussy and eating the mushrooms around it, a bit like a "langue de boeuf" I used to have at home when entering winter. Na had the sauce. "Did you have a good time?" asks Jo looking at me through the mirror. "Oh you cannot imagine" I reply. Jo adds that he has good addresses in Bangkok..[/QUOTE]You are either a comedy genius or completely insane, please keep writing! Brilliant.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2011235]Well that was a very entertaining report, especially as post number 1. Unfortunately it is lacking any useful information and is written like we should know you already because you have been a forum member for years. Are you an existing member who has opened a 2nd account?
What would be useful to know would be how much was the ride from Pattaya to Bangkok? Who did you book the ladies with that were waiting in your hotel room in Bangkok? Were they freelancers or do they work for an agency? What were their rates? Other than he girls names from Skyfall in Pattaya, what else can you tell us about your experience in Pattaya? What were the good Soi 6 bars?[/QUOTE]Methinks it's a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] take creative sometimes humorous somewhat self-indulgent but still enjoyable daydream before waking up god knows where.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2011235]Well that was a very entertaining report, especially as post number 1. Unfortunately it is lacking any useful information and is written like we should know you already because you have been a forum member for years. Are you an existing member who has opened a 2nd account?
What would be useful to know would be how much was the ride from Pattaya to Bangkok? Who did you book the ladies with that were waiting in your hotel room in Bangkok? Were they freelancers or do they work for an agency? What were their rates? Other than he girls names from Skyfall in Pattaya, what else can you tell us about your experience in Pattaya? What were the good Soi 6 bars?[/QUOTE]I perdsnlly wonder also how the hotel allowed the three girls in the suite prior guest check in.
But maybe I am just wondering too much.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2011614]I perdsnlly wonder also how the hotel allowed the three girls in the suite prior guest check in.
But maybe I am just wondering too much.[/QUOTE]Aside from the fact that it was obviously all written tongue in cheek, I have never had a problem taking 3 girls up to a suite. Booked a suite at the Column hotel on Soi 16 where we partied with 7 people. Also regularly have taken 2 girls up to my room at Citadines Soi 8 and 11. Even at the Sofitel Sukhumvit we partied with 5 people and never had any problems. I guess it all depends how the girls are dressed and if you look frazzled by the walk of shame. Hotel staff the world over will not stop you if you are self confident and the girl (s) on your side don't look too much out of place and know how to behave in a hotel.
"I am afraid of finding a landmine in the pussy ".
Shot of the weekend bruv!
[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2011476]You are either a comedy genius or completely insane, please keep writing! Brilliant.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it is time for a Thailand fantasy chat thread in order to keep the existing discussions from getting mucked up.
SL.
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944]I was leaving Pattaya, my heart full, my testicles empty. I had great moments at the Skyfall, I remember Na's vagina, Ni's ass. I spent great time. It was time to leave, Jo the taxi is waiting for me with his luxury Toyota Crown. I will come back to this Paradise place. I am proud of my achievements and I think I will be remembered. If I come every year, I may get my bronze statute on Soi 6, having done so much for the economy of the country. I check the time on my new Rolex and I give my new Pussy, Gucci, leather bag to Jo. We have a two-hour journey ahead. Jo closes the door and starts the engine of his powerful Toyota. The back seat is so comfy, I take the opportunity to open a book of accounting for my next exam. My back is scratching and I take off the price tag of my new T-shirt. I take the opportunity to call my wife and give some update on Paris "the weather is grey, the flat of Jean-Michel is new, I climbed the Eiffel tower".
The car crosses the town, I look a last time at the sea and this wave that will never reach the moon and dies on the shore. My phone vibrates, Ni, Na and Nang have recognized me at the traffic light and sent me a text with a sad face. I take the opportunity to text Uncle V to thank him for his tips, I had a great time. We leave the city for palm trees and rice fields, the green landscape is amazing. Some peasants are beating a poor bull to plough through a muddy field"faster Victor Newman, faster, we have to finish before dawn". Sad life, he could have lived in a nice farm in Brittany. I think about all these girls, Na had such a tight anus, it was amazing, though it was unfortunate she had diarrhea. Ni was great, I loved kissing her pussy and eating the mushrooms around it, a bit like a "langue de boeuf" I used to have at home when entering winter. Na had the sauce. "Did you have a good time?" asks Jo looking at me through the mirror. "Oh you cannot imagine" I reply. Jo adds that he has good addresses in Bangkok. "I am not sure I will have time, I have to catch up with so many girls first, maybe I should organize some gangbangs to save time". Jo replies "you have such a health man! A real dark horse! Everybody talks about you at Pattaya".
I fall asleep. Suddenly I wake up, I have jizzed in my pants. Usually at this time I have already fucked one or two girls. My organism got quickly used to it. Half an hour later we arrive in the suburbs of Bangkok, I then recognize the street and the nana hotel. The nana-hotel, a well established brothel, an institution. Jo takes out my bag and gives me his business card for girls for later. I thank him and generously tip him 10 bahts. "Hello Mr. Crapediem" greets the porter. "Ni, Nan and Piaan" are waiting for you in your usual suit". I enter the room. The porter wants to enter, I tell him to go back to the lobby. Ni comes towards me, she is naked, she got a bit fatter since last year. Her pussy is shouting "hungry, I am hungry", it is smooth and shiny, I take off my genuine fake reeban. Nan shows me her brown hole, such a beauty, I look closer and kiss it, so tasty. Then Piaan arrives, well she has a little willy instead of a pussy. Diversity is great isn't it?
The session last one hour. The three girls cannot walk anymore, I have to call the porter to bring a trolley and kick them out. I go outside on the busy streets. It is chaotic. I manage to find a quiet bar, "the post office" and order a mango juice. It is 2 pm and I take the opportunity to go for a massage. I feel good and I am horny again. I usually separate sex and massage, but I will make an exception. My intuition was right! The lady has an electric foufou! Like Louis de Funes, I get electric shocks when I enter my tongue.
Then I stop at La Poste, order a mango juice. I take my phone and read my favorite blog and once again the advice of FormulaOne. I know the Soi Cowboy very well and head towards it. I go in the first bar, girls are not up to my taste, I show my heels and raise my arm "sub-standard". I enter the following bar "me love you long time", I like that, it sounds like Victor. Hugo or Baudelaire, such a beautiful verse. "me love you long time", long time? You won't be able to work for the rest of the season! I feel so horny that I pay her the LD immediately and fuck her on the till ST, VST! Other customers are a bit shocked, well, I don't prevent them from joining us. That was the aperitive, I then seat at the back of the bar. The NaughtyBhave has hired two new girls this year. I ask the monger, "they are very fresh, straight from Cambodia, with all their legs and arms, very rare on the market! Cambodia. I am afraid of finding a landmine in the pussy. I order another mango juice and notice I am short of cash. I decide to head towards the nana to find a cheap WG on the street. I find one, she is very old, her fifties. I like cougars. She tells me she can do anything I ask her for 5 bahts. She adds that her anus is still very tight, 2. 5 cm diameter maximum and shows it to me. I finger her on the street, good quality. I bring her to my bedroom and enlarge her anus to 4. 8 cm. She will have to retire. She leaves, crying, the end of her career at Bangkok. I take out my diary and adds "+1". Tomorrow I will reach 20, the target a friend fixed me to get a free pint at the Cock Inn. I switch off the light and text my wife "the sun is piercing clouds, I am having lunch with Thierry."[/QUOTE]Formidable! This is likely the sort of post Voltaire might have written, perhaps as an alternative to Candide, if he but had access to ISG and the Internet. Thanks for the witty satire. If the Cock Inn doesn't buy you a pint, I will should we ever meet.
GE.
This Map should help.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2011009]Hi Indy, I realize I could google location but where is it? Did you see any big boob girls? Thanks for the entertaining post. Especially the protocol for multiple knob polishings right there at the bar. Hilarious.
.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944]I was leaving Pattaya, my heart full, my testicles empty. I had great moments at the Skyfall, I remember Na's vagina, Ni's ass. I spent great time. It was time to leave, Jo the taxi is waiting for me with his luxury Toyota Crown. I will come back to this Paradise place. I am proud of my achievements and I think I will be remembered. If I come every year, I may get my bronze statute on Soi 6, having done so much for the economy of the country. I check the time on my new Rolex and I give my new Pussy, Gucci, leather bag to Jo. We have a two-hour journey ahead. Jo closes the door and starts the engine of his powerful Toyota. The back seat is so comfy, I take the opportunity to open a book of accounting for my next exam. My back is scratching and I take off the price tag of my new T-shirt. I take the opportunity to call my wife and give some update on Paris "the weather is grey, the flat of Jean-Michel is new, I climbed the Eiffel tower".
The car crosses the town, I look a last time at the sea and this wave that will never reach the moon and dies on the shore. My phone vibrates, Ni, Na and Nang have recognized me at the traffic light and sent me a text with a sad face. I take the opportunity to text Uncle V to thank him for his tips, I had a great time. We leave the city for palm trees and rice fields, the green landscape is amazing. Some peasants are beating a poor bull to plough through a muddy field"faster Victor Newman, faster, we have to finish before dawn". Sad life, he could have lived in a nice farm in Brittany. I think about all these girls, Na had such a tight anus, it was amazing, though it was unfortunate she had diarrhea. Ni was great, I loved kissing her pussy and eating the mushrooms around it, a bit like a "langue de boeuf" I used to have at home when entering winter. Na had the sauce. "Did you have a good time?" asks Jo looking at me through the mirror. "Oh you cannot imagine" I reply. Jo adds that he has good addresses in Bangkok. "I am not sure I will have time, I have to catch up with so many girls first, maybe I should organize some gangbangs to save time". Jo replies "you have such a health man! A real dark horse! Everybody talks about you at Pattaya".
I fall asleep. Suddenly I wake up, I have jizzed in my pants. Usually at this time I have already fucked one or two girls. My organism got quickly used to it. Half an hour later we arrive in the suburbs of Bangkok, I then recognize the street and the nana hotel. The nana-hotel, a well established brothel, an institution. Jo takes out my bag and gives me his business card for girls for later. I thank him and generously tip him 10 bahts. "Hello Mr. Crapediem" greets the porter. "Ni, Nan and Piaan" are waiting for you in your usual suit". I enter the room. The porter wants to enter, I tell him to go back to the lobby. Ni comes towards me, she is naked, she got a bit fatter since last year. Her pussy is shouting "hungry, I am hungry", it is smooth and shiny, I take off my genuine fake reeban. Nan shows me her brown hole, such a beauty, I look closer and kiss it, so tasty. Then Piaan arrives, well she has a little willy instead of a pussy. Diversity is great isn't it?
The session last one hour. The three girls cannot walk anymore, I have to call the porter to bring a trolley and kick them out. I go outside on the busy streets. It is chaotic. I manage to find a quiet bar, "the post office" and order a mango juice. It is 2 pm and I take the opportunity to go for a massage. I feel good and I am horny again. I usually separate sex and massage, but I will make an exception. My intuition was right! The lady has an electric foufou! Like Louis de Funes, I get electric shocks when I enter my tongue.
Then I stop at La Poste, order a mango juice. I take my phone and read my favorite blog and once again the advice of FormulaOne. I know the Soi Cowboy very well and head towards it. I go in the first bar, girls are not up to my taste, I show my heels and raise my arm "sub-standard". I enter the following bar "me love you long time", I like that, it sounds like Victor. Hugo or Baudelaire, such a beautiful verse. "me love you long time", long time? You won't be able to work for the rest of the season! I feel so horny that I pay her the LD immediately and fuck her on the till ST, VST! Other customers are a bit shocked, well, I don't prevent them from joining us. That was the aperitive, I then seat at the back of the bar. The NaughtyBhave has hired two new girls this year. I ask the monger, "they are very fresh, straight from Cambodia, with all their legs and arms, very rare on the market! Cambodia. I am afraid of finding a landmine in the pussy. I order another mango juice and notice I am short of cash. I decide to head towards the nana to find a cheap WG on the street. I find one, she is very old, her fifties. I like cougars. She tells me she can do anything I ask her for 5 bahts. She adds that her anus is still very tight, 2. 5 cm diameter maximum and shows it to me. I finger her on the street, good quality. I bring her to my bedroom and enlarge her anus to 4. 8 cm. She will have to retire. She leaves, crying, the end of her career at Bangkok. I take out my diary and adds "+1". Tomorrow I will reach 20, the target a friend fixed me to get a free pint at the Cock Inn. I switch off the light and text my wife "the sun is piercing clouds, I am having lunch with Thierry."[/QUOTE]Too funny.
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Sie keeps sucking me off and the girl that shook her tits in front of me comes over and asks if she can have my sperm? I check with Sie who is concentrating on sucking me off and she agrees. Sham joins in and she has a very talented and soft lips. She definitely has more experience and tells Sie what to do like "mouth on each side of cock". So good. Since I had just cum, it was taking me a while to cum again but I was hard and truly enjoying every second of it. The other punter has taken off so it's just me and all the girls in the bar. We tried so many positions. At one point I had my middle fingers in Sie's and Sham's pussies while their lips were teasing my cock. In another, Sham asked if I wanted to "boom-boom" Sie while she licks my balls. Very tempting but I was really enjoying myself so didn't bother. So many positions, so many smiles. Lek walked in halfway through, she sees me, I shout out her name and she sees I am smiling and happy. Three girls? Not today. About 25 minutes or so of sucking me off, the mamasan says something and Sham tells me that they might stop in ten minutes. I am fine with this as they have been really good so far and continue to enjoy this amazing blowjob. In about 5 minutes, I stand up and start to jerk off while Sie licks my balls and Sham is ready with her open mouth right in front of my dick. Lek and another girl are standing next to the bar and start watching. Lek is gyrating and cheering me on. Beautiful.
Afterwards, I buy a Lady's Drink for both girls, we sit together, we chat. These girls were so much fun. They mentioned that if I took them to short time hotel, it would be a lot more relaxed and all I would have to do is lie there and they would do everything. They shared stories with me about punters coming in and doing some crazy things like having the girls line up and getting blowjobs as they went down the line. Star of Light really is an amazing Blowjob Bar. I love this place and I hope I come back to Thailand again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for very colourful report. Shows my fears of the new government causing it to be tame may not be justified. I would still like to fuck in the bar though rather than need a ST Hotel.
I would quite like to get a BJ from the pregnant one and feel her tits. Fucking maybe going to far in her case. I don't want to disturb the baby's rest.
The name Sham should be spelled just slightly different but I can't quite guess. Possibly Chaem short for Champagne. There is no "sh" sound in Thai.
[QUOTE=Penguin69;2011355]Its good to read that white western guys can have successes in Thermae as opposed to the girls having interest solely in Japanese and locals, for example.
Am wondering if you stay at the hotel above Thermae whether you can take freelancers to the room without problems / questions / payments etc. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I regret to not know a thing about the hotel, but it would be the rare hotel in BKK that would give you trouble, so long as you've booked a room for two (otherwise a possible joiner fee, typical.) But I'm chiming in, also, to applaud the farang's success in Thermae. Two weeks ago, after having the lights turned up on me at Cowboy (3 am) I strolled up the suk to see what was on offer. Thermae had closed by then, but there were a gaggle of leftovers / freelancers next to the hotel sign. I inquired as to whether one of the lookers did farang. Nope, she said, but she pointed to her friend (actually the one who most appealed) -- ear to ear smile on this beauty, named Mod -- and said that she'd be happy to go with me to my hotel, the Emporium Suites by Chatrium, next to the glitzy mall (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, though pricier (roughly $125 US per night on Expedia). Full GFE, she loved DATY. Night and morning session. She quickly assented to joining me for the breakfast buffet (included in the rate). Now, I must say that I am loath to deal with the "walk of shame," and Mod, naturally, was equipped with no apparel beyond the cutoff jeans hooking kit. But damn if that girl didn't stretch out her sweater to cover some of her assets, and looked dignified and not at all out place. (I may have overlooked some glances from the Westerners at breakfast, but there were no issues whatsoever with the staff, who treated her respectfully (as they should have). We return to the room (great view, great great great hotel -- and I am not a paid shill) and I've got an hour to spare before checkout time. I notice that I've only got about three thousand-baht notes to pay her the 2500 (ya know, at 3 am I had no energy to negotiate outside Thermae, sorry for possibly overpaying.) Rather than waste time schlepping to the front desk for change, I propose another bonking session instead, and she can keep the entire 3 K. "You still have power?" she asks. Me: "Power. Have. " Fun ensued. Checked out with no time to spare, though. Sorry for the lengthy rubbish, but, yes, there are high probabilities of Westerners succeeding. At least outside Thermae. * and my big regret was not making it inside Thermae, if even to get rebuffed. Next time.
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944]Then I stop at La Poste, order a mango juice. I take my phone and read my favorite blog and once again the advice of FormulaOne. I know the Soi Cowboy very well and head towards it. I go in the first bar, girls are not up to my taste, I show my heels and raise my arm "sub-standard". I enter the following bar "me love you long time", I like that, it sounds like Victor. Hugo or Baudelaire, such a beautiful verse. "me love you long time", long time? You won't be able to work for the rest of the season! I feel so horny that I pay her the LD immediately and fuck her on the till ST, VST! Other customers are a bit shocked, well, I don't prevent them from joining us. That was the aperitive, I then seat at the back of the bar. The NaughtyBhave has hired two new girls this year. I ask the monger, "they are very fresh, straight from Cambodia, with all their legs and arms, very rare on the market! Cambodia. I am afraid of finding a landmine in the pussy. I order another mango juice and notice I am short of cash. I decide to head towards the nana to find a cheap WG on the street. I find one, she is very old, her fifties. I like cougars. She tells me she can do anything I ask her for 5 bahts. She adds that her anus is still very tight, 2. 5 cm diameter maximum and shows it to me. I finger her on the street, good quality. I bring her to my bedroom and enlarge her anus to 4. 8 cm. She will have to retire. She leaves, crying, the end of her career at Bangkok. I take out my diary and adds "+1". Tomorrow I will reach 20, the target a friend fixed me to get a free pint at the Cock Inn. I switch off the light and text my wife "the sun is piercing clouds, I am having lunch with Thierry."[/QUOTE]Weird shit!
I know this flamboyant writing is entertaining for many. I did not find it funny myself, more like an LSD trip. Gives Kumbu a good run for his money though with much less total words. It is quite unlikely that a Cowboy bar (with its name redacted why?) has just hired two Cambodian girls. The recent police crackdowns have swept of girls too young or not Thai nationals. The bar would risk closure. So Cambodia sounds like a story to me, and I never thought about amputees in relation to Cambodia at all. Some other parts are a bit too imaginative too.
All posts are just stories to be believed or not, but can I suggest including just a few more facts to convince us that what you write actually might have happened, unless you don't intend for it to sound realistic. I remain open minded, on that subject. However many others have alluded to possible fantasy content, or embellishment.
Some of us look for real experiences with girls and places named, to see if a place might be worth a try.
The managers of the forum don't approve of the "diversity" you mention in the other post. It's a little bit Homophobic perhaps, however they want this to be a strictly hetero forum. Many of us or nearly all perhaps are not into cock at all. Big turn off for me. I don't even watch porn focussing on BJs. Pussy all the way!
Met with a normally Soi 4 freelancer today. Tall Nim with dark pink or Mahogany hair. The ST hotel annoyed me as they had prices for 1 hour or for 2. I wanted to book a room for 90 minutes, and in the end I used exactly 90 minutes. I will have to survey which ones offer a good price for 90 mins.
The girl was funny. Claimed she had not been fucked for 2 weeks. Showed me her Bank book as well (I did not request it), to try to prove she was hard up for money. LOL She was also very ready to be fucked. !
Soapy fun together in the shower first. She got two pops from extended DATY. Then her BBBJ was quite good, although spent a little too long on the prelim licking. Nice fuck and she really likes dick. She got another pop in mish, did some cowgirl, and then was tiring, so I finished in prone with her tickling my balls while fucking her from behind and fingering her ahole a little. She seemed too spent to do a doggy.
She had requested a little more than normal freelancer price due to 90 minutes and due to being broke. LOL However she was worth it for me. I have found most Soi 4 freelancers not very good on first booking, but can be very good, once the regular relationship is formed. They can go from crappy kissing to nice DFK. This girl was just good enough to repeat the first time, but now is a very nice fuck for me regularly. Has a baby, so tits shrank a bit.
My main regular favorite girl returns to BKK tomorrow night, so I will have limited opportunities to try new girls for a while. Will try to get to Club 102, perhaps tomorrow.
Afterwards, I noticed several black girls hanging at mouth of Soi 7. A couple were quite doable, with pretty face and slim curvy body. Another day!
At 1:30am was surprised to see a cart bar had returned to Soi 23, but other cart bar areas formerly like Soi 21, Terminal 21 etc. where free of cart bars. Maybe the odd one is around.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2006472]Since my visit last year Nana Plaza has really gone down hill. My visit there a few days ago was to Bangkok Bunnies (ground floor)[/QUOTE]I went to Bangkok Bunnies tonight and there were some stunners for sure. I was there a few weeks ago and there was no talent, but tonight it was awesome.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2011835]I went to Bangkok Bunnies tonight and there were some stunners for sure. I was there a few weeks ago and there was no talent, but tonight it was awesome.[/QUOTE]Any awesome girls with real tits? Previously my disappointment was virtually all topless girls were siliconised. I agree the quality in a bar can change dramatically so always willing to give bars another try.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2011835]I went to Bangkok Bunnies tonight and there were some stunners for sure. I was there a few weeks ago and there was no talent, but tonight it was awesome.[/QUOTE]Hobbying on any given night IME is a crapshoot. If you're lucky you might get a stunner. If unlucky a complete WOT.
IME this applies to ladies of the street in Bangkok, Singapore and Canada. In Singapore, especially, as girls there may only be visiting on a one or two month entry visa.
There is a high turnover rate, especially in Singapore.
At Nana Hotel in Bangkok you get a lot of the same faces, some of them even for years, but there are regularly new ones too, & a changing lineup throughout the night.
In Canada, likewise, though there are also the occasional or part time females on the street looking for some extra cash for groceries etc.
Massive drilling at the basement of the hotel wake me up. Builders have been working for years at the Nana hotel, not managing to reverse the effect of time. These loud drilling remind me I still have plenty holes to drill myself. For a second I feel a connection with these builders, doing the hard work under this intense heat. Well somebody has to do it. I get up, I feel sick, probably too much mango juice at the doll house. I hear some grumbling and see Nam naked on the stained carpet. I prefer not imagining the history of each stain. We could probably sample here enough DNA to start a new civilization. I get a shower, pipes are cracking, rattling and screaming. Speaking of pipes, Na releases a loud a fart as I step out of the bathroom. Thank god she s alive. One less thing to worry about. I put on my clothes and the orange short I bought for 20 bahts. I like looking ridiculous in this part of the world where norms and standards don't exist, or let's say, are very different. I leave 20 bahts for the house keepers and put a "take me out" note on Na. They usually complain about it, well.
I walk in the corridor, the massive drilling downstairs cover the muttered drilling in the bedrooms, such early moans and groans! I feel I live in a Fellini film. Time does not matter in Bangkok. I go to the breakfast room, it is pretty busy, full of bad boys and sexy chicks who managed to make good money through LT. The woman I saw yesterday at the swimming pool is there. She seems to live in the hotel, she looks like Brigitte Bardot in Jean Luc Godard's film La piscine. "And my breast, you like my breast? "oh yes I do" was I thinking filing up my plate with greasy sausages at the shelves. They still look very good in full light, the women, definitely not the sausages. The neon of the food shelves replace the purple neon of the bars. In which hotel in the world would you see so many women in mini skirt at breakfast in a faded hotel that looks like a Premier Inn hotel in the suburbs of Glasgow? The Nana is really something. One girl, sitting next to her customer, smiles at me, they mean business! We want love! Long time. They don't stop! Really sex Stakhanovist!
I finish my breakfast, it was of good quality. The Nana really takes care of its hosts. I look at my extra kilos. I need to do some sport, I need to fuck! I go on the street, it is 10 am, still pretty early. I pass in front of the old grey Volvos, always parked in front of the hotel testifying the Nana's past glory. Their bonnets are always raised, these Scandinavian boys suffer from the heat.
I am determined to cash back on my fixed costs, namely the hotel and the flight. I go to the first bar in front of the Nana, Spanky's. Hormonal levels have dropped, some guys are already drinking beers. I order a mango juice and get immediately sick. I should only drink alcohol. Two girls come towards me, 1500 bahts? The price is right, I don't haggle and cross the street with Pan and Pat. I had an amazing three-hour session, my penis hurts me, I can't do anything anymore. Pan and Pat are stuck in an amazing 69 position and they would not leave the bedroom. I have to call the porter once again to evict them. The trolley is broken, I decide to book another room. One room to sleep and one room for sex. This is luxury, the Nana lives up to its hype.
It is late afternoon already and I am hungry. I have not had lunch, or not a feeding lunch. Despite my stomach's pain, I decide to try some street food and order some [blue][Non-English text deleted by Admin][/blue]. I sit on one of these tiny plastic chairs, I feel clumsy and feel I am going to break it. I eat in the same position as if I was doing a poo in nature. This thought makes me even more sick and I vomit the curry.
Dusk is falling. I see a tall woman staring at me. Given her height, large hands, feet, mmh, this looks like a trap. "[blue][Non-English text deleted by Admin][/blue]" said my mentor Strauss Kahn. I stop at a pharmacy and buy some blue pills I need to be productive. Once back to the UK I will have one year of sex-starvation. I head back to the Soi Cowboy, I pass by the Cockatoo. Somehow the name does not inspire me, something weird about this place. I look at that tall girl with big hands and weird voice. She wears a minimalist bikini and I look at the shape of her mobile phone in her pussy. I have to admit those sexy clothes are not very handy. I wish I had her number to make it vibrate. I continue to the Baccara, a well-known bar. A girl comes to me, if this happened at home. Her name is Pingpong. I have two ping-pong balls in mind and run away immediately, not finishing my mango juice. The blue pills are having their effect and I have to act quickly. I get in the Tilac bar and meet Jane. I reply my name is Tarzan, she laughs, I could believe her. No wonder men feel like kings here, miles away from socialist feminist moralist vegetarian decadent western world. Where does truly lie the rot of decadence indeed? I should write a book one day. I pay her a lady drink and she lets me look at her under every angle. I finger her, like kicking tires of an used car, she laughs. You would not get that at the South Kensington clubs with Western girls. A couple, tourists who came to challenge their moral values, are shocked, starring at me. I invite to join me and they leave, shocked. Petites bourgeois. I go to a room with Jane for ST and we have great time, three times. By Jove! Bloody pills, I should not have taken the whole box at once.
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[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2011235]Well that was a very entertaining report, especially as post number 1. Unfortunately it is lacking any useful information and is written like we should know you already because you have been a forum member for years. Are you an existing member who has opened a 2nd account?
What would be useful to know would be how much was the ride from Pattaya to Bangkok? Who did you book the ladies with that were waiting in your hotel room in Bangkok? Were they freelancers or do they work for an agency? What were their rates? Other than he girls names from Skyfall in Pattaya, what else can you tell us about your experience in Pattaya? What were the good Soi 6 bars?[/QUOTE]Here is a clue that might answer your question. In French the words "krp" and "carpe" does sound identical. If you read the Pattaya Thread, you will see a few lengthy report from krpdieme, a supposedly new member and new comer in Thailand. He talked about the bar La Poste and his Mango Juices, and said that next reports would be in the Bangkok Thread. My guess is he didn't fuck any girl during that day in Bangkok.
By the way, how do you guys do to post lengthy reports? I've tried a few times but by the time I finish to type my post, the system says that I'm offline and it doesn't upload my post. Even when I write small posts, I'm often offline when I finish typing it but the system can upload it. Do you write your reports on another support and then copy and paste it on the forum?
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2011635]Perhaps it is time for a Thailand fantasy chat thread in order to keep the existing discussions from getting mucked up.
SL.[/QUOTE]Would have been fine if people didn't quote the entire post in their reply for everyone else to scroll through 3 times.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2011862]
By the way, how do you guys do to post lengthy reports? I've tried a few times but by the time I finish to type my post, the system says that I'm offline and it doesn't upload my post. Even when I write small posts, I'm often offline when I finish typing it but the system can upload it. Do you write your reports on another support and then copy and paste it on the forum?[/QUOTE]You must use cut and paste. You can type your whole report in a text file for example and then paste it into ISG forum report page. Alternatively, before you try to up load your report, and also from time to time, highlight the full text of your report, and copy to the scratch pad before attempting to upload.
When uploading, it may request me to sign on again. No big deal. If your post got lost, paste it in again from the scratch pad. I often completely replace my whole report by pasting in a new copy, to circumvent the automated software that changes what we type, e.g. It changes "D cups" to "the cups". In short, the automated corrector makes a mess, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2011937]You must use cut and paste. You can type your whole report in a text file for example and then paste it into ISG forum report page. Alternatively, before you try to up load your report, and also from time to time, highlight the full text of your report, and copy to the scratch pad before attempting to upload...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, I will try that if I have to post something lengthy.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2011837]Any awesome girls with real tits? Previously my disappointment was virtually all topless girls were siliconised. I agree the quality in a bar can change dramatically so always willing to give bars another try.[/QUOTE]The girl I took was 100% natural. However, I have nothing against Silicone tits. I don't like the nose jobs and the chin jobs, but I don't mind the boob jobs.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2011391]I'd suggest checking out the 100's of reviews on hotel booking sites, such as booking dot com.
They'll tell you just about anything you want to know about a hotel.
Alternately it's not that far to, say, for example, Nana Hotel, from Thermae. Maybe a 15 minute brisk walk, or faster by vehicle. Or other nearby hotels well known to take FLs without problems, questions or fees.[/QUOTE]Yes, have done (booking com). But the solo reports I've read seem not to address this explicitly.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2012036]The girl I took was 100% natural. However, I have nothing against Silicone tits. I don't like the nose jobs and the chin jobs, but I don't mind the boob jobs.[/QUOTE]So 99 silicon jobs, and one real tits? LOL I was hoping for a slightly better answer but I suppose will have to go for a peek.
I have had GFs in the past with implants, even quite good jobs, but they still bore me badly. If they have distinct convex curvature on top, then that is an easy rule out for me. It just looks freaky to my eye, plus I love the softness of real ones. I even prefer very flat chested girls over coconuts or sag bags. I can forgive a just little sag and very subtle silicones. However we pay good money. Might as well get what turns us on. Nice soft tits brushing against my balls concurrent with cock being sucked in BBBJ is one of my favorite things. Obviously can't happen if girl has no tits.
I know many of us are capable of putting on blinkers and ignore all the so so to ugly girls and really just see a few nice ones if there are any. Also I know Smoothy has a bit different taste to me. My previous trip to BKK bunnies was quite a lot of months ago, after Breadman praised it, and I was very disappointed in the line up due to almost all topless girls having sillies or sag bags, or being just very plain Janes. I subsequently greatly preferred Twisters and Billboard with a lot more pretty girls (looking like real humans). However I recognise big changes can occur, I remember visits to Biillboard when it was quite dead not that very long time a go.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2011862]Here is a clue that might answer your question. In French the words "krp" and "carpe" does sound identical. If you read the Pattaya Thread, you will see a few lengthy report from krpdieme, a supposedly new member and new comer in Thailand. He talked about the bar La Poste and his Mango Juices, and said that next reports would be in the Bangkok Thread. My guess is he didn't fuck any girl during that day in Bangkok.
By the way, how do you guys do to post lengthy reports? I've tried a few times but by the time I finish to type my post, the system says that I'm offline and it doesn't upload my post. Even when I write small posts, I'm often offline when I finish typing it but the system can upload it. Do you write your reports on another support and then copy and paste it on the forum?[/QUOTE]That's interesting, thanks for coming out but that was his first post.
Hi guys,
Living in BKK; read a lot from here; wanted to go out today (yeah a Monday I know.). Anyone keen into tagging along to show me the good places and things to avoid? Sorry if it's not the right place to post.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012063]I recognise big changes can occur, I remember visits to Biillboard when it was quite dead not that very long time a go.[/QUOTE]Billboard was pretty weak last night. If you go to Bunnies, make sure to check out the area in the back near the bath tub and behind it as well as the main area.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2011862]By the way, how do you guys do to post lengthy reports? I've tried a few times but by the time I finish to type my post, the system says that I'm offline and it doesn't upload my post.[/QUOTE]I used to have a similar problem. Then I started previewing my report from time to time and the problem disappeared.
As has been mentioned, I recommend that seniors review and edit posts immediately after uploading. That way you can fix all the auto correct blunders.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2012132]I used to have a similar problem. Then I started previewing my report from time to time and the problem disappeared.
As has been mentioned, I recommend that seniors review and edit posts immediately after uploading. That way you can fix all the auto correct blunders.[/QUOTE]Yes and easiest way to correct multiple "auto correction" blunders is to re-paste in the entire original text, keeping all the good original blunders. LOL.
I find the auto corrector, does not correct my basic typos anyway. It's totally stupid. I have to fix my own typos (caused by the mobile phone) and the Auto Corrector blunders as well. Too much hassle.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2011391]I'd suggest checking out the 100's of reviews on hotel booking sites, such as booking dot com.
They'll tell you just about anything you want to know about a hotel.
Alternately it's not that far to, say, for example, Nana Hotel, from Thermae. Maybe a 15 minute brisk walk, or faster by vehicle. Or other nearby hotels well known to take FLs without problems, questions or fees.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Penguin69;2012038]Yes, have done (booking com). But the solo reports I've read seem not to address this explicitly.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that didn't answer your question.
Perhaps contacting the hotel directly would help.
Alternately I'd suggest a search of the forum or the internet. For example using the words Thermae, freelancer and the name of the hotel.
BTW, what is the name of the hotel?
I like to have fun in the gogo's, if the girl is going to give me constant lap dances and give me access to pretty much everything I have no trouble buying her ladydrinks and tipping her on top of that. I can't fuck them all and in the down time I don't want to sit there being bored if I'm doing a solo gogo bar tour. You exchange LINE info and if something comes about then I'm ready to see what might happen. Went into this gogo in Nana and this cute little chick looked so good dancing topless, every time I came in after a round of sex she'd be there so I'd buy her a drink. Got to the point where she'd just come over, wouldn't even ask for a drink but would just grind away. So I'm back at my hotel and she send me a chat, wants to come over at 4 am. Soon there's a knock on my door and in she walks. Get her undressed and she slides into bed next to me. I'm playing with her tits, fingering her, even went down and ate her out for some time. I then get her hands on my dick and she starts giving me a HJ, few minutes of this I reach over for the condom and she must have realized my size and her tiny pussy just wouldn't work out. She gets up and starts saying 'me student, me student' and starts dressing. Gets on her shoes, have her out the door and its an inch from shutting when she pushes back and asks for taxi money. Gave her 100 baht. You'd think she'd avoid me next time I came in the gogo but she still came running over.
[QUOTE=BkkMick;2011616]I guess it all depends how the girls are dressed and if you look frazzled by the walk of shame. Hotel staff the world over will not stop you if you are self confident and the girl (s) on your side don't look too much out of place and know how to behave in a hotel.[/QUOTE]This.
I took Pinky back to the (now-Pullman) hotel and the staff never even asked for ID. They just smiled and we were on our way.
[QUOTE=Danibbler;2012393]This.
I took Pinky back to the (now-Pullman) hotel and the staff never even asked for ID. They just smiled and we were on our way.[/QUOTE]I prefer to have them take their ID and call my room as the girl picks her ID card up to leave. I've never had it happen to me, but I have heard stories of guys getting ripped off or even drugged. The girl having to provide her ID harms me in no way whatsoever. I walk them to the desk and have them give their ID if the hotel doesn't ask for it. And yes, the Pullman (previously Millennium) almost never asks for the girl's ID cards. However, if I request they call my room before the girl is allowed to go, they invariably do that.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2012413]I prefer to have them take their ID and call my room as the girl picks her ID card up to leave. I've never had it happen to me, but I have heard stories of guys getting ripped off or even drugged. The girl having to provide her ID harms me in no way whatsoever. I walk them to the desk and have them give their ID if the hotel doesn't ask for it. And yes, the Pullman (previously Millennium) almost never asks for the girl's ID cards. However, if I request they call my room before the girl is allowed to go, they invariably do that.[/QUOTE]I advise guys to get girls from reliable sources for most part. I also only use ST Hotel for unknown girls, without having a lot of valuables with me, e. G. Phone and wallet only. It's better if know where the girl works. In 25 years never had a problem but still better to be careful. Thai hookers in general may spin stories, but are generally surprisingly trustworthy in my experience. Asking for extra tip sometimes happens, and some Nana girls in particular try to rip you off for time, intending to get to their next customer coming to meet them just a few minutes away or already in the bar waiting. Then there are always chance of picking the dick-scared stiff-legged starfish types. The later is always my number one concern, when choosing a lady, so try to find out how much she likes dick. LOL Probably the reason I gradually moved away from Soapies.
Many years ago accidentally BFed a girl and a LB from a Nana gogo bar for threesome, but realised my mistake on way back to Hotel. LB was smaller and more delicate than the real girl but slightly sharp face LOL. So cancelled promptly before anything developed further. Never saw the dick on LB, but of course once you realise, you become quite sure. It made me realise anyone can make a mistake and choose unwisely in a rush, in one way or another. I went straight back to same bar (Hollywood or Woodstock In the back right corner ground floor I think) and chose instead a girl with really big naturals (to be sure to be sure LOL). I probably did not expect regular gogo bars to have LBs, but learned my lesson. These days so many Nana bars have LBs.
[QUOTE=DCups;2011009] Did you see any big boob girls?..[/QUOTE]Check out Twins bar at Soi 23. There is one girl with really big natural "twins" that swing nicely when she plays billiards. A bit chubby girl though but not fat.
Last time I checked Nana and Cowboy out, which was in September 2016, almost every girl I interviewed said ST is for 1 hour 1 pop, and LT is for 4 hours 2 pops.
Sounds ridiculous, because in my concept, LT means whole night, which should be at least 8 hours, perhaps?
Too ridiculous, so I did not take any girl from Gogobars. Instead, I stick with soapy bath massage parlors my whole last trip.
So, may I ask guys who constantly reported back that they took girls LT for whole night long, where and how you do that?
The LT=4 hours bullshit really made me upset and it was also one reason why I don't visit there again recent.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2012229]Sorry to hear that didn't answer your question.
Perhaps contacting the hotel directly would help.
Alternately I'd suggest a search of the forum or the internet. For example using the words Thermae, freelancer and the name of the hotel.
BTW, what is the name of the hotel?[/QUOTE]Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2011820]Thanks for very colourful report. Shows my fears of the new government causing it to be tame may not be justified. I would still like to fuck in the bar though rather than need a ST Hotel.
.[/QUOTE]Couple of years ago fucked Rabbit in the bar one weekend afternoon LOL.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2012974]Last time I checked Nana and Cowboy out, which was in September 2016, almost every girl I interviewed said ST is for 1 hour 1 pop, and LT is for 4 hours 2 pops.
[/QUOTE]Having never done LT, I'm no expert, but those times seem short to me. I've only had 5 ST experiences, those lasted between 1. 5 and 3 hours in my room. The 3 hour session included 2 pops, which is something I could never manage in a shorter session. One of the shorter ST experiences had a 2nd pop offered, but I couldn't perform. While still in the bar, the 3-hour session girl explained that LT would be all night long (whatever that is).
I think the time you get might be dependent on your personal chemistry and if she expected to earn more money that evening.
These experiences were in January and February 2017.
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944]I was leaving Pattaya, my heart full, my testicles empty. I had great moments at the Skyfall, I remember Na's vagina, Ni's ass. I spent great time. It was time to leave, Jo the taxi is waiting for me with his luxury Toyota Crown. I will come back to this Paradise place. I am proud of my achievements and I think I will be remembered. If I come every year, I may get my bronze statute on Soi 6, having done so much for the economy of the country. I check the time on my new Rolex and I give my new Pussy, Gucci, leather bag to Jo. We have a two-hour journey ahead. Jo closes the door and starts the engine of his powerful Toyota. The back seat is so comfy, I take the opportunity to open a book of accounting for my next exam. My back is scratching and I take off the price tag of my new T-shirt. I take the opportunity to call my wife and give some update on Paris "the weather is grey, the flat of Jean-Michel is new, I climbed the Eiffel tower".
"[/QUOTE]Haha made me laugh out loud. Even funnier that some have taken it seriously and bitten!! .
JohntheScot.
[QUOTE=CrapeDiem;2010944]I was leaving Pattaya, my heart full, my testicles empty. I had great moments at the Skyfall, I remember Na's vagina, Ni's ass. I spent great time. It was time to leave, Jo the taxi is waiting for me with his luxury Toyota Crown. I will come back to this Paradise place. I am proud of my achievements and I think I will be remembered. If I come every year, I may get my bronze statute on Soi 6, having done so much for the economy of the country. I check the time on my new Rolex and I give my new Pussy, Gucci, leather bag to Jo. We have a two-hour journey ahead. Jo closes the door and starts the engine of his powerful Toyota. The back seat is so comfy, I take the opportunity to open a book of accounting for my next exam. My back is scratching and I take off the price tag of my new T-shirt. I take the opportunity to call my wife and give some update on Paris "the weather is grey, the flat of Jean-Michel is new, I climbed the Eiffel tower".
"[/QUOTE]Haha made me laugh out loud. Even funnier that some have taken it seriously and bitten!! .
JohntheScot.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2012974]Last time I checked Nana and Cowboy out, which was in September 2016, almost every girl I interviewed said ST is for 1 hour 1 pop, and LT is for 4 hours 2 pops.[/QUOTE]ST is indeed typically 1 pop, though it rarely takes the entire hour. It is not uncommon for an ST to be 2 pops and take up to 2 hours, but that has to be agreed in advance.
LT is, and has always been, an overnight stay. Unless you take the girl after 3 am, that's a fair bit longer than 4 h. As for the pops, the standard was always 2 pops in the evening and 1 pop in the morning, but unlimited pops are implied if you can manage them. In case of an LT, anything less than an overnight stay and 3 pops is a runner or flake. In that case, anyone who pays the full agreed-upon LT price is a sucker and doing a disservice to all future mongers. Of course, if you agree on something different in advance, or YOU choose to do less, you should still pay the full fare.
The 4-hour 2-pop arrangement is not standard, but I'd call it a leisurely unrushed ST.
What the girl (one or ten) tells you doesn't matter. She gets to name her price and choose which services (if any) to provide, and is always free to leave. However, she does not get to define what the words mean, and what sort of service is generally expected.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2013200]ST is indeed typically 1 pop, though it rarely takes the entire hour. It is not uncommon for an ST to be 2 pops and take up to 2 hours, but that has to be agreed in advance.
[/QUOTE]How would you know that ST rarely takes a full hour? I always use at least 1 hour, unless girl was a disaster. What is the point to rush?
I sometimes book ST rooms for 90 minutes or 2 hours.
In an MP I always use well over an hour unless the session is no good. Never book just 60 minutes. It is rare I get two pops. I just dont cum that easy.
Last Sunday took a freelancer. We took 90 mins exactly. She got 3 pops, me only 1. She asked for an extra tip for the extra time. LOL However I pay her well already, slightly above typical freelancer quickie rates. Also I was annoyed that the ST Hotel did not have a special 90 min rate, what I requested, and I had to take either 1 hour or 2 hours. Some ST Hotels I have gotten away with going over 1 hour on a non busy night, even paying the standard. I often receive the phone call saying my time is up.
Am I really so rare, and everyone else is happy with a quickie? I doubt it. I am sure there must be others who are taking it slowly.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2013130]Having never done LT, I'm no expert, but those times seem short to me. I've only had 5 ST experiences, those lasted between 1. 5 and 3 hours in my room. The 3 hour session included 2 pops, which is something I could never manage in a shorter session. One of the shorter ST experiences had a 2nd pop offered, but I couldn't perform. While still in the bar, the 3-hour session girl explained that LT would be all night long (whatever that is).
I think the time you get might be dependent on your personal chemistry and if she expected to earn more money that evening.
These experiences were in January and February 2017.[/QUOTE]I have rarely had a LT as short as 4 Hours. I normally take girl before midnight sometimes 1 am, and expect them to stay till 7 am or 8 am and sometimes to breakfast, or maybe 6 am if pre-agreed. 4 hours could happen I suppose if took a girl at 3 am til 7 am. If girl claims she really has to go very early then I will set the alarm so can get in a morning pop.
However LT has never been as low as 4 hours. Mind you I have not been taking any long times for last 2 or 3 years except for my retired regular girl and these are more like 9 hours. We both like sex in the morning. In past was hard to find girls that really preferred sex in the morning. She is even quite okay With just slipping it in while she is asleep (with lube), and her waking to being fucked. Just thinking of this is giving me a hard on right now, even we just had a session finishing an hour or so back.
I have to wonder if guys are starting to experience very short LTs due to general belief that LT costs only 500 to 1K more than ST, which always seemed ridiculous to me. I always believed a fair price for making a girl try to sleep away from her home and possibly not her normal sleep hours plus providing multiple sex sessions should be only just under double the ST price or fully double the ST price for more demanding customers. Otherwise many girls are just saying they don't do LTs. Of course they might if the price is right. There are hot girls who can get 2 or 3 STs per night, so why take LTs? No point.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013223]How would you know that ST rarely takes a full hour? I always use at least 1 hour, unless girl was a disaster. What is the point to rush?
[/QUOTE]I think the most easily available but admittedly totally unscientific method for determining that ST rarely takes a full hour is to plant yourself in one of the outdoor bars across from Nana parking lot on Soi 4 during the mid-evening hours, perhaps for dinner and a few drinks, and keep a watch on how soon the FL girls who are taken typically return to their station. LOL. I can't think of many times, maybe none, where I did this and saw a girl go missing for as long as 80 minutes, which would come fairly close to the 5-10 minute walk to and from a ST room, maybe a stop off to chat with another friend along the way, or a make-up touch up en route, leaving a full hour of ST activities in the room. I would say seeing girls return to their station no longer than 45 minutes after walking off with a man who spent almost half that long browsing and chatting them up for what and how much is more common than longer away times. And 45 minutes might be among the longer times noted.
But this is, of course, a street girl FL with whom a man has typically invested less time and money in the lead up. And the primary concern seems by what I hear to be more about getting the cheapest rate rather than the best service. So maybe there is less effort to make it last longer. When I take a go-go bar girl I have felt up in a bar for a while and bought Lady Drinks for, I will definitely take my time in the room, my apartment, not a ST hotel room next to the bar, and that can easily take as long as an hour just in the room. Many times it will go on for 2-3 hours. I am definitely a one pop guy these days though.
Recently I was doing some work in the Lakrabang area. After work, I felt that unforgettable itch for some action but wanted it to be in this area. I decided I would hail a taxi and try my luck with a referral from the driver. I asked him in Thai to take me to a massage place with beautiful girls. I referenced the ones on Ratchada as an example. About 30 minutes later we arrived at a legit massage shop in some upscale plaza. I then started to describe what I wanted again. Talking about sideline girls and boom boom. Apparently nothing in Lakarabang but close by in Minburi there is plenty.
Next, he took me to a place called, as he pronounced it Wee wa. I'm sure this is the wrong spelling. Anyways as we drove down this back street, there was a row of bars hidden behind a long concrete fence. Inside it was like a long strip mall of small bars or massage places. On the outside, as we drove down the side street, we ended up at a massage place at the back, similar to the Alaina, assuage set up Ratchada. Price was 2,800 for my girl but I'm sure it was padded 500 for me being a farang. Anyways my point of all this is, sometimes it's fun to just get in a taxi and ask the driver to recommend places. Don't worry about his 500 commission or the cost of the metre or you will ruin the fun. If you are a tourist, this won't be for you. But for members who live here everyday or frequent quite often like Syggies, this could prove to me a worthwhile experience. I will go back again for sure and post specific reviews in the BKK reports or massage threads when I note more specific information I can report.
My question is, does anyone know or has anyone ever been to Wee waw in Min Buri before? I want to go back and make note and report some good information for the rest of the members but I want to make sure I ask the taxi to go to the right place. I'm completely board of the farang scene and Stephan Kwai.
I also recently heard of another area at Vihavadi Soi 16/21. I will check this place out next week and report about it.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2013314]My question is, does anyone know or has anyone ever been to Wee waw in Min Buri before? I want to go back and make note and report some good information for the rest of the members but I want to make sure I ask the taxi to go to the right place. I'm completely board of the farang scene and Stephan Kwai.
I also recently heard of another area at Vihavadi Soi 16/21. I will check this place out next week and report about it.[/QUOTE]Viva Palace (sounds like Wee Wah):
[URL]http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/Viva%20Palace/modelplace-map.php?id=036[/URL]
Heard of it years ago but never visited. I had a feeling there maybe Viva 1 and Viva 2 in two locations, but that may be wrong.
I am currently staying in Sathorn district, so Soapy IDA visible from Sirat expressway is probably worth a second visit for me.
[url]https://goo.gl/maps/qKKbRPgWs152[/url]
[url]https://goo.gl/maps/hPi9fePCP4r[/url]
It seemed classy on first visit and girls and prices were good at the time. I went with buddy Traveler1234 before for a look (and session).
It is well known I like slim or skinny girls. I used to see a crazy loud girl at Suzi Wong who was small and slim with a hot ass. She had every vice in the book, drinking, smoking, sex, gambling, and drug Ice. She later got pregnant to a Thai boy, had a baby, and decided to give up some of her vices including Ice (not in that order). In fact use of Ice was banded in the Suzi Wong bar, affecting quite a few girls.
Now this girl and some others are not using Ice as a lazy weight control mechanism, and getting pudgy. The girl is no longer hot for me.
Some bars are full of slim girls, like Crazy House. Heavy Ice use could be suspected, although I have no information. I know why, but apparently Ice use is a far easier way to control weight than going on a healthy food (low carbs high fibre diet).
I do hear reports of certain MPs having significant percentages of girls using Ice as well, and management don't stop it. Young silly girls don't worry about becoming addicts.
Which is better? Fat girls or Ice abusers? Neither I guess.
Years ago, the problem drug was "Yaa Baa". I don't know if this one is also still rife. I do know girls at gogos dose up on herbal alcoholic drink "Yaa Dong" to lose inhibitions before dancing naked. Girls who drink too many Tequilas can gain weight from the alcohol and sugar in their drinks. Lady coke drinks and Tequilas maybe watered down to reduce weight gain and drunkenness.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013377]Viva Palace (sounds like Wee Wah):
[URL]http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/Viva%20Palace/modelplace-map.php?id=036[/URL]
Heard of it years ago but never visited. I had a feeling there maybe Viva 1 and Viva 2 in two locations, but that may be wrong.
I am currently staying in Sathorn district, so Soapy IDA visible from Sirat expressway is probably worth a second visit for me.
[url]https://goo.gl/maps/qKKbRPgWs152[/url]
[url]https://goo.gl/maps/hPi9fePCP4r[/url]
It seemed classy on first visit and girls and prices were good at the time. I went with buddy Traveler1234 before for a look (and session).[/QUOTE]That is a dam good guess. Wee wah seems to be the Thai word for Viva so that was Spot on. Genius you are.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013388]Which is better? Fat girls or Ice abusers? Neither I guess.
[/QUOTE]Same things happened in Jakarta years ago ("shabu-shabu"). There was a widespead crackdown on drugs and girls started getting fat. For mongers who are into slim girls, the more girls take such drugs the better since the drug will keep them slim AND remove inhibitions (barebacking etc.), were it not for the danger of law enforcement. Ice, meth, crystal, speed, same chemical (methamphetamine). What was Ya-ba? Probably meth as well.
[QUOTE=XXL;2013464]Same things happened in Jakarta years ago ("shabu-shabu"). There was a widespead crackdown on drugs and girls started getting fat. For mongers who are into slim girls, the more girls take such drugs the better since the drug will keep them slim AND remove inhibitions (barebacking etc.), were it not for the danger of law enforcement. Ice, meth, crystal, speed, same chemical (methamphetamine). What was Ya-ba? Probably meth as well.[/QUOTE]I am into slim girls but would never promote their drug use for my benefit or anyone else's.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013388]She later got pregnant to a Thai boy, had a baby, and decided to give up some of her vices including Ice (not in that order).
Now this girl and some others are not using Ice as a lazy weight control mechanism, and getting pudgy. The girl is no longer hot for me.[/QUOTE]I personally have no problem with a "thick" girl. I like them to have some meat on their bones as long as their body is young and firm. Firm is the key. The killer for me would be that she had a kid, not that she gained weight. Skinny or thick, if the girl's body is not firm or if she has stretch marks, it's a turn off. I find that girls on drugs tend to have softer bodies than girls not on drugs as well. Turn off.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2013572]I personally have no problem with a "thick" girl. I like them to have some meat on their bones as long as their body is young and firm. Firm is the key. The killer for me would be that she had a kid, not that she gained weight. Skinny or thick, if the girl's body is not firm or if she has stretch marks, it's a turn off. I find that girls on drugs tend to have softer bodies than girls not on drugs as well. Turn off.[/QUOTE]Depends on the drugs. Ganjaa makes bodies go all saggy. Ice probably does not. Girl had very tight body when was an Ice user. Super ass. Unfortunately after her baby, ass was not the same, and the pussy was not the same. Inner lips seemed to be overly taunt. Not feeling good for DATY. She became more difficult to fuck. Perhaps doctor sewed her up too small.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2013427]That is a dam good guess. Wee wah seems to be the Thai word for Viva so that was Spot on. Genius you are.[/QUOTE]Not genius and hardly guesswork. It's from knowing Thai Language. Letter V does not exist in Thai. They always use W sound never V sound. The Thai script name for VIVA is pronounced Wee-Waa. So it is pretty straight forward and I was aware of this Soapy "Wee-Waa" beforehand.
[Size=+2]วีว่า พาเลซ[/size] WeeWaa (Viva) Phaaless (Palace)
Similarly Sukhumvit road is really Sukhumwit road, and Vibhavadi Rangsit is really Wiphawadee Rangsit. I have a Weesaa not a Visa. Why the Thais have chosen to use use letter V when spelling things in English, when W was the proper sound, is a big mystery. Strangely a Thai J sound is often spelled as Ch in English (and visa versa) too. Hence the Chao Praya river should be Jao Phrayaa, and River Kwai is really the River Kwae (sounds like Kwair). Ha ha! Strange spellings to confuse us.
Strange pronunciations of Pattaya grate on my ears a bit. LOL It should be like Put-ta-yar (with Put as in "put" the golf ball). So many guys like to correct me and say it is Pat-thai-ya (complete BS). "Patts" also sounds just a little silly to me. Correct pronunciation of Phuket, Koh Samui, and Koh Phang Ngan are just too hard for 99% of westerners, so anything will be acceptable. Why Thais had to come up with so many difficult names? LOL My 2nd trip to Thailand I asked taxi to go to Indra Regent Hotel (I had started to learn Thai already but was weak). I ended up at Regent Hotel, a different place altogether. I did not know pronunciation as "In-Traa" (no Regent at all) was critical to getting to the right place. Unfortunately learning to pronounce Thai generally takes a few months. That is the only hard part of the Thai language really.
Mongering in Bangkok is so easy in the modern day in some ways. Girls often speak some English. The internet provides so much information, especially ISG (where most forums are crappy). Google Maps helps locate things (assuming pins are placed correctly. Not always).
Thai addresses are making it very hard to work out the location of something. In the old days, like 25 to 35 years ago, there was no Google Maps, and so finding an address could sometimes be very tricky. You would have to get near, then ask people on the street or in a shop if they had any clue where something was. That was if they could speak English. LOL Or show them address written down, and hope they had some clue where it could be. There was no ISG and no internet (to my knowledge).
Sometimes you just stumbled upon some mongering establishment or read something in a Travel book. I remember vaguely staying at the Ambassador Hotel 34 years ago, going for a run at night without my wife and stumbling on a Soapy MP in, Suk Soi 2 most likely (not Annies). Went inside, not knowing much and saw the tiered seating of girls behind the fishbowl. Papasan could speak English. I had low money with me and no ATM or credit cards (left behind in hotel) as was going for a sporty run. LOL. Soon was surprised to have a naked girl in the bath with me. Communication not possible. No common language. LOL Did not cost that much. Forget the price now. I was scared of catching STD (had no condoms) and probably the girl did not have any either.
In a subsequent trip had no wife, but had an experienced buddy to introduce me to mongering locations like Soi Cowboy, Phat Phong, Thermae, Grace Coffee shop, Darling, etc. Nana Plaza was as yet unknown. Did not really know about or use Oilies greatly. Many Thai style Massage shops though. Without guide books or a buddy, I probably would not have known very much at all.
Internet and Google Maps with Smart Phones now makes everything so easy.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013644]Depends on the drugs. Ganjaa makes bodies go all saggy. Ice probably does not. Girl had very tight body when was an Ice user. Super ass. Unfortunately after her baby, ass was not the same, and the pussy was not the same. Inner lips seemed to be overly taunt. Not feeling good for DATY. She became more difficult to fuck. Perhaps doctor sewed her up too small.[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure about only gangja making them saggy. I will use the example where I was closed involved. There was a little hard body in Jakarta I liked. I took her home over 100 times, but then she got hooked on shabu shabu and lost a ton of weight (almost a skeleton) and her body went soft. It was a total turn off so I lost interest in her. She then went to work in Japan for a few years. When she returned to Jakarta, she had gained weight back to normal. And while her body wasn't as firm as before, her body was relatively firm again. She was always a stunner when she wasn't hooked on drugs. However, within a month of her returning to Jakarta, some guy took her off the market and I haven't seen her in years now.
As far as the doctor sewing your girl up too small, that sounds kind of hot.
Looked in Crazy House quite early tonight (since I was nearby). Nothing that special really. Numbers 109,110, 112 were passable looking with 112 (maybe called Taa) the best to my eye. Not at all interested in raunchy "Geronimo" whose face looks like a native American Warrior in war paint, which turns me off, since the face is not feminine looking to me. I don't know her name, but has mega tats and piercings, implants and a pussy. No need to stay long. I probably missed the better girls that arrive around 9 PM or so.
Checked out Toy Bar again. My suspicions were confirmed that it is no where near as "Thaleung" or wayward a bar as it was some 15 to 20 years ago. Only one or two girls with passable looks. A bit of mutual groping going on but girls were not at all naked or even topless. No BJs in the bar. I recall getting a BJ in the public bar many years ago and had exposed a hot girl's tits and pulled down her knickers. So relatively tame at the moment. Not sure what attracts the customers, since in Crazy House the girls are better looking and many are naked. Perhaps the groping is more full on under the girl's costume. Some girls were prepared to kiss customers in the bar. Based on another guy's report, SOL sounds much more risqu in the modern day. I can try that another day, and check if Kangaroo bar is at all wayward without resorting to the dark back room.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013840]Not at all interested in raunchy "Geronimo" whose face looks like a native American Warrior in war paint, which turns me off, since the face is not feminine looking to me. I don't know her name, but has mega tats and piercings, implants and a pussy.[/QUOTE]Hottest girl in Bangkok. Her name is Ice. You should talk with her, she is quite charming.
I tried number 9 there the other night. She is probably to your liking. Young girl, skinny and everything natural. Cannot speak English.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2013484]I am into slim girls but would never promote their drug use for my benefit or anyone else's.[/QUOTE]You are right, it should be their decision, not yours or mine (nor the State's). Or did you mean something else?
Note that relatively unhindered drug use may be one of the attractants for girls going into prostitution in the first place. And it may be what keeps many girls going.
I'm sure for a good-looking girl, showing flesh while high on stims is not such a horrible experience. Ask Jenna Jameson.
[QUOTE=XXL;2013867]You are right, it should be their decision, not yours or mine (nor the State's). Or did you mean something else?
Note that relatively unhindered drug use may be one of the attractants for girls going into prostitution in the first place. And it may be what keeps many girls going.
I'm sure for a good-looking girl, showing flesh while high on stims is not such a horrible experience. Ask Jenna Jameson.[/QUOTE]I would not encourage or want girls to do drugs just so I could bang a slim body.
I seriously doubt girls ever get into this business for the purpose of drugs. They get in the business to feed their family and then to some how endure and to keep going in the business they turn to drugs.
Good looking girls high on stims is not a horrible experience? Good God! Why do you think they are on stims to bang you or me?
These stims are meth with different names like Shabu. Ever seen what the addiction does to people?
Taking a working woman using drugs is too much of a danger and hassle, in my opinion.
If I know a woman is a drug user, if I ever know it, I will avoid her at all cost to stay away from troubles.
Moreover, in a broader sense, alcohol and cigarettes are drugs as well.
This is why I never intake alcohol or smoke, either in real life or in P4P venues.
I always wonder why some people can't just enjoy pure sex, without usage of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, etc.
I also prefer working women who have less exposure to alcohol or cigarettes, which means they are more likely to be healthier and less likely to be a further drug user.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2013961]Taking a working woman using drugs is too much of a danger and hassle, in my opinion.
If I know a woman is a drug user, if I ever know it, I will avoid her at all cost to stay away from troubles.
Moreover, in a broader sense, alcohol and cigarettes are drugs as well.
This is why I never intake alcohol or smoke, either in real life or in P4P venues.
I always wonder why some people can't just enjoy pure sex, without usage of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, etc.
I also prefer working women who have less exposure to alcohol or cigarettes, which means they are more likely to be healthier and less likely to be a further drug user.[/QUOTE]If they are into drugs then they are app to rip you off if given a chance. I can't stand the smell of cigarettes on a woman's breath. And there is nothing worst than a drunk woman. Well maybe a drunk LB.
I like the clean athletic type with some tone to their bodies. Spinners are too thin and weak. I will take attitude over beauty any day. Beauty is only skin deep but attitude is character.
RL.
Hi,
First time in Bangkok and leaving tomorrow.
Would appreciate if someone could help me in finding Russian / Japanese / middle eastern women or a good place to try a good threesome.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2013961]Taking a working woman using drugs is too much of a danger and hassle, in my opinion.
If I know a woman is a drug user, if I ever know it, I will avoid her at all cost to stay away from troubles.[/QUOTE]Most of the time you wouldn't know nor be able to tell.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2013880]I seriously doubt girls ever get into this business for the purpose of drugs. They get in the business to feed their family and then to some how endure and to keep going in the business they turn to drugs.
[/QUOTE]To attract girls into prostitution you need a carrot and a stick. Poverty is only the stick.
Females are naturally pregnancy-driven and marriage oriented, not wild and promiscuous. Think about it the next time you land a girl "who is really into it", a "real nympho", a genuine "3-hole fucklet" etc. Do you think she's behaving that way because she's been waiting for you all her life?
Mongers who want a constant supply of wild and promiscuous girls while adopting a strong anti-drug stance are like people who are against killing animals while eating steak.
Scary but worth bearing in mind: a smoothly-running don't ask don't tell drug culture may be a monger's best friend.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2014056]If they are into drugs then they are app to rip you off if given a chance. I can't stand the smell of cigarettes on a woman's breath. And there is nothing worst than a drunk woman. Well maybe a drunk LB.
I like the clean athletic type with some tone to their bodies. Spinners are too thin and weak. I will take attitude over beauty any day. Beauty is only skin deep but attitude is character.
RL.[/QUOTE]Sounds like we are interested in the same type of chick. Although, I do like a girl to be a bit tipsy on alcohol (not drunk) before I take her home. And myself as well.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2014056]If they are into drugs then they are app to rip you off if given a chance. I can't stand the smell of cigarettes on a woman's breath. And there is nothing worst than a drunk woman.
[/QUOTE]I did not find anything greatly wrong with bargirls using Ice, other than they may have been loudly having a good time (hard to say if noisy fun is due to drugs or alcohol). I don't do alcohol much myself. My dick is already relatively insensitive without alcoholic impairment to make Cumming even more difficult. I can get away with a very small number of drinks sometimes.
Overly drunk is bad. Girl will sleep or throw up, etc. , or maybe become more crazy, aggressive or annoying.
A bargirl I know at CH has just returned with significant weight loss. I have to be suspicious about how it was achieved. However no evidence yet, so will look see for a bit, if anything seems out of ordinary. She was always an active goer on the bed. Likes a good strong fuck.
Something I did learn about Ice Addicts, is that if they don't get it, they can have no energy and spend a lot of time sleeping. Don't know if cravings make them get into thieving.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013377]Viva Palace (sounds like Wee Wah):
[URL]http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/Viva%20Palace/modelplace-map.php?id=036[/URL]
Heard of it years ago but never visited. I had a feeling there maybe Viva 1 and Viva 2 in two locations, but that may be wrong.
I am currently staying in Sathorn district, so Soapy IDA visible from Sirat expressway is probably worth a second visit for me.
[url]https://goo.gl/maps/qKKbRPgWs152[/url]
[url]https://goo.gl/maps/hPi9fePCP4r[/url]
It seemed classy on first visit and girls and prices were good at the time. I went with buddy Traveler1234 before for a look (and session).[/QUOTE]I don't believe I've heard of this place but it looks good. I initially suspected it might be a place for Thais only but the website is in English. Thanks for the info.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2014207]I did not find anything greatly wrong with bargirls using Ice, other than they may have been loudly having a good time (hard to say if noisy fun is due to drugs or alcohol).[/QUOTE]In January I had a great ST session with a bar girl. The next night I brought her back to my hotel for round 2. Things were different starting with the 5 minute walk from the bar to my hotel, she couldn't walk straight and almost fell a couple of times. In the room she was awkward and acted strange. Knocked over a lamp while trying to get a bottle of water from the night stand. Too much energy. Tried to hold water in her mouth but ended up drooling most of it on the bed. Couldn't apply the condom like she did the night before. Thrashed about during sex whereas the night before she was an excellent partner.
I don't know if this was ice or something different. But whatever it was, I didn't appreciate the effects.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2014252]In January I had a great ST session with a bar girl. The next night I brought her back to my hotel for round 2. Things were different starting with the 5 minute walk from the bar to my hotel, she couldn't walk straight and almost fell a couple of times. In the room she was awkward and acted strange. Knocked over a lamp while trying to get a bottle of water from the night stand. Too much energy. Tried to hold water in her mouth but ended up drooling most of it on the bed. Couldn't apply the condom like she did the night before. Thrashed about during sex whereas the night before she was an excellent partner.
I don't know if this was ice or something different. But whatever it was, I didn't appreciate the effects.[/QUOTE]I am not an expert on Ice or Meth but that kind of erratic behavior sounds like it or some other kind of drugs. You are lucky she didn't go psycho on you and created a scene.
[QUOTE=Khuraa;2014080]Hi,
First time in Bangkok and leaving tomorrow.
Would appreciate if someone could help me in finding Russian / Japanese / middle eastern women or a good place to try a good threesome.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There is an entire thread dedicated to the subject.
It's called "Foreign Sex Workers in Thailand":
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3187-Foreign-Sex-Workers-in-Thailand[/URL]
As regards a threesome, that's quite easy to arrange just about anywhere in Bangkok, with street girls near NEP or gogo bars, etc.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2014270]I am not an expert on Ice or Meth but that kind of erratic behavior sounds like it or some other kind of drugs. You are lucky she didn't go psycho on you and created a scene.[/QUOTE]What happens if there's a scene and the police gets involved? I hope they're honest about finding out what happened and who did drugs and who didn't. Usually this would be done with a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test or a mouth swipe.
[QUOTE=XXL;2014574]What happens if there's a scene and the police gets involved? I hope they're honest about finding out what happened and who did drugs and who didn't. Usually this would be done with a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test or a mouth swipe.[/QUOTE]I don't worry about what is in my system, I'm careful about that. I do worry about what she has in her bag when she enters my room. Sometimes it is a tiny bag with little more than lipstick. Sometimes it is a huge bag with a change of clothes and who knows what else.
[QUOTE=Allover;2014244]I don't believe I've heard of this place but it looks good. I initially suspected it might be a place for Thais only but the website is in English. Thanks for the info.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's a massage place anymore. A lot of tour buses go there. They have this night street market and Muay Thai bouts, and from what I saw yesterday. May cater toward the Chinese tourist crowd. The massage place may still be operational. I could check it out for you if you want.
Hi,
I am planning to visit BKK in June. I have been in BKK once before and aware of NANA and scene around it.
This time, I am here for a little longer (6 days) than last time. Would Pattaya be a good option for a couple of days? My preferences are not super specific. Just looking for good girls to bang.
I did try to rtff and find info but I am challenged getting the info which can help me make a decision and proceed with the hotel bookings.
Also, it will be great if someone can advise how reliable are the airbnb's in BKK?
Thanks in Advance.
[QUOTE=LoverG;2014672]Hi,
I am planning to visit BKK in June. I have been in BKK once before and aware of NANA and scene around it.
This time, I am here for a little longer (6 days) than last time. Would Pattaya be a good option for a couple of days? My preferences are not super specific. Just looking for good girls to bang.
I did try to rtff and find info but I am challenged getting the info which can help me make a decision and proceed with the hotel bookings.
Also, it will be great if someone can advise how reliable are the airbnb's in BKK?
Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]AirBNB can be tricky and is probably not that worthwhile for such a short trip. I may be wrong. June is not high season. Hotels are easier.
Why not go straight to Pattaya but only book first night initially. See if you like it and make further Hotel bookings as needed. I never saw the need to know what I would do for an entire trip in advance. Go with the flow. See what you are liking. If not that enthused by Pattaya come straight back to Bangkok.
Read the Pattaya thread and Pattaya Hotels Thread. It contains experience of others. However no one can tell you what you will like. You must find out for yourself. Try things.
[QUOTE=Reaper78;2014652]I don't think it's a massage place anymore. A lot of tour buses go there. They have this night street market and Muay Thai bouts, and from what I saw yesterday. May cater toward the Chinese tourist crowd. The massage place may still be operational. I could check it out for you if you want.[/QUOTE]I found some comment s dated 2009 about VIVA Palace suggesting Farangs not very welcome. LOL.
Here is a direct quote of what one reviewer wrote:
"Viva really does suck (and not in a good way). Old facilities and average women.
I live out that way and I prefer Colonze on Rama 9 or Tarawadee on Pattanakarn.
Haven't tried the newer one Rewadee (sp?) on Ramkamhaeng (near the hospital). ".
It's not great for me to post opinion of some unknown, however I have not been myself, so cannot say.
Here is Mick's Soapy Map of a few years back (needs some updates):
[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1evMrgWXl50uDmmr6Mhr9HkwZAbs&hl=en_US&ll=13.772680336793906%2C100.59313800000007&z=11[/URL]
I noticed the pin for Krung Thon Complex somehow got moved to completely the wrong place. Accidents can happen while editing.
Shows VIVA was once called Huyin.
[QUOTE=XXL;2014574]What happens if there's a scene and the police gets involved? I hope they're honest about finding out what happened and who did drugs and who didn't. Usually this would be done with a (snip) test or a mouth swipe.[/QUOTE]I've read of a required urination test from news reports years ago. Never any mouth swabs.
These raids occurred in business places like bars, not in hotel rooms or on the street with freelancers.
Ladies of the street get raided often but for soliciting, not drugs. So LE can pad their income with fines they charge. Their clients are never bothered by police in these raids, since they are the source of this income.
Occasionally there's a report of a farang who has been drugged.
Don't expect Thai police to be as honest as those in Western countries. But in retired living for several years in total in LOS for nothing but Thai P4 P street gals, I never had a single issue or encounter with LE. Even with P4P being full of drug use in the NEP area I lived in & partook of regularly.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2014716]AirBNB can be tricky and is probably not that worthwhile for such a short trip. I may be wrong. June is not high season. Hotels are easier.
Why not go straight to Pattaya but only book first night initially. See if you like it and make further Hotel bookings as needed. I never saw the need to know what I would do for an entire trip in advance. Go with the flow. See what you are liking. If not that enthused by Pattaya come straight back to Bangkok.
Read the Pattaya thread and Pattaya Hotels Thread. It contains experience of others. However no one can tell you what you will like. You must find out for yourself. Try things.[/QUOTE]I agree, June is low season so hotels offer good discounts and I would definitely split your time between Pattaya and BKK.
[QUOTE=Allover;2014244]I don't believe I've heard of this place but it looks good. I initially suspected it might be a place for Thais only but the website is in English. Thanks for the info.[/QUOTE]Guys I've been there. The initial report was mine. Please read. The english name was just clarified by Syggs. That's all. It is farang friendly.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2014794]I've read of a required urination test from news reports years ago. Never any mouth swabs.
These raids occurred in business places like bars, not in hotel rooms or on the street with freelancers.
Ladies of the street get raided often but for soliciting, not drugs. So LE can pad their income with fines they charge. Their clients are never bothered by police in these raids, since they are the source of this income.
Occasionally there's a report of a farang who has been drugged.
Don't expect Thai police to be as honest as those in Western countries. But in retired living for several years in total in LOS for nothing but Thai P4 P street gals, I never had a single issue or encounter with LE. Even with P4P being full of drug use in the NEP area I lived in & partook of regularly.[/QUOTE]I happens a lot more in Indonesia than in Thailand. I've never seen it in Thailand. However, it's a fairly regular occurrence in Indonesia. And they don't just raid business places, they set up street road blocks and randomly check people in their cars / taxis for drug possession and drug use. I've not heard of anyone getting raided in their hotel room, but on the street, absolutely.
CH lineup at 9 PM was better than Friday at 9 PM. Some of the prettier girls do not seem to show up on Friday or Saturday for some reason, or maybe show up late. Fines for starting after 9 PM though. Monday 11 pm the line up was even better. Some girls could have arrived around 9 PM but still be in changing room.
I don't know that many girls any more. A lot of girls I knew have left, or simply not attending at this time. Some girls I knew well have changed number. They may have lost there original number due to non attendance for a period. Oom went from 91 to 78 (I think). Noi went from 87 to 63. Original CH girls (since first opening) are still there in small numbers: Kratae (put on weight), Oom (lost weight. Skinny now), TaengMo (seen Fri), and one more (forget the name). Other girls I knew were Phraow (ex Doll House starfish), inverted nipples Mon, and also Natty's tall sleek girl. Smoothy's raunchy piercings girl Ice seen Friday but not Monday.
I chatted to No. 9 Fern who seemed cute (very small tits) but maybe not hot enough for me to pull the trigger. Fall back was regular girl Jane (No. 4). She gives good reliable service including rimming, without even asking for it. Very popular natural spinner type. Many girls will go up country for Songkhran festival 13 April. So expect weak line ups at that time.
Overall CH bores me these days, other than seeing my old regular girls like Jane and Oom, and seeing a bit of nice pussy. CH was at its best maybe a couple of years ago. Oom tells me that Waew is there returned after a baby and that I know her. However I could not remember Waew too well at all, name rings a faint bell. Would have to consult my old notes. My old notes show nothing. Maybe tried her once. I quickly forget poor performers. Memory of old girls met maybe once fades away.
The plus side of CH for me, is very few fatties, and still relatively few nose and tit jobs and weird hairstyles compared to Baccara (many alien looks like the Star Wars Cantina). Very pretty girls? Hard to find. Have to settle for good slim natural bodies.
I have to say that although I am a newbie here I've RTFF and feel like I know this place perfectly. Best advice ever: RTFF.
I reached bkk at 1 am reached suk soi 8 by 3 after breezing through immigration. Didn't want to go punting outside so booked through smooci and Venus comes over at 430. Noticed a little hesitation from her but she got with it and did what I asked. Decent BBBJ and good riding. Didn't allow me to COF so I COT. 2400 bht.
Next day walked into Wood bar like I owned the place. Mama showed me the lineup and picked a petite cutie. She washed me up and gave me a seat. She went all out on Jonny didin give him a moment to relax. I can't believe how she sucked my balls so much. CIM and left. 1000 bht.
Headed out to Nana like I owned the place again. Found a beer bar and sat down. My balls were too dry to do anything after Wood. Ladyboys tried to pick me up. I want to try them but scared a bit. Any advice?
Left bkk to Phuket and walked down Bangla. Prices are ridiculous. ID rather save up for my return trip to BKK. Read bad reviews about Cristian so sitting opposite it in a bar and writing this review.
I'm definitely doing Annie's or tulip for a 3 some on my way back to bkk. Anyone had luck with LB fun with smooci that is safe?
I have to say that without the help of this forum, I'd be a sore loser not knowing where to spend my money.
Used the Asoke Place ST Hotel on Monday night (with Jane from CH).
On a busy night they like to kick you out of the room after 60 minutes. Telephone rings to tell you time is up. However Monday at 9 PM or so was not busy. I asked how much for 90 minutes. They smiled and said 350 Baht. I think I may have actually used slightly more than 90 minutes. Was 10:49 pm when I got out.
I don't think the deal is so generous on a busy night like Friday or Saturday. However I suspect they don't kick you out if no one is waiting on a room. Informal policy.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015410]Used the Asoke Place ST Hotel on Monday night (with Jane from CH).
On a busy night they like to kick you out of the room after 60 minutes. Telephone rings to tell you time is up. However Monday at 9 PM or so was not busy. I asked how much for 90 minutes. They smiled and said 350 Baht. I think I may have actually used slightly more than 90 minutes. Was 10:49 pm when I got out.
I don't think the deal is so generous on a busy night like Friday or Saturday. However I suspect they don't kick you out if no one is waiting on a room. Informal policy.[/QUOTE]90 minutes? I am a bit confused on what constitutes a "short time" session these days. I took a girl to my hotel recently and shagged her for about 90 minutes (we had been in the room about 2 hours at that point). At around 4 am, she told me that she had not agreed to long time and that I needed to finish within the next 5 minutes. We began shagging again and I did not finish within the next 5 minutes, so she put an end to the session. She got up and went to the shower. When she came out, she was fully clothed and demanding 2000 baht (we had agreed to 2500 in the bar). I told her since I wasn't finished, I would give her 1000 baht, and if she wanted to continue and make me cum, I would give her 2500. She glared at me for what seemed like an eternity, then told me to fuck off, took the 1000 baht and left.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2015417]90 minutes? I am a bit confused on what constitutes a "short time" session these days. I took a girl to my hotel recently and shagged her for about 90 minutes (we had been in the room about 2 hours at that point). At around 4 am, she told me that she had not agreed to long time and that I needed to finish within the next 5 minutes. We began shagging again and I did not finish within the next 5 minutes, so she put an end to the session. She got up and went to the shower. When she came out, she was fully clothed and demanding 2000 baht (we had agreed to 2500 in the bar). I told her since I wasn't finished, I would give her 1000 baht, and if she wanted to continue and make me cum, I would give her 2500. She glared at me for what seemed like an eternity, then told me to fuck off, took the 1000 baht and left.[/QUOTE]I applaud you only giving her 1k. If more guys did that we'd all get better service. Not surprised at her attitude though. One night a few years ago we sat on the second floor of Nana Plaza at the little bar next to the ST hotel. We were there about 2 hrs and we decided to time the "couples" going in and out of the hotel. The average was less than 30 min for each couple. One rather fetching lass hit the hotel 3 times in two hours! So think about it. That's each person taking a shower before and after. So what, maybe 10 min of action at best? Dudes are paying over 100 USD in toto for 10 min of sex. So no wonder the gal was unhappy you wanted to go on for 120 min. She is just not used to that. They are spoiled beyond comprehension. And it is not their fault. It is the punters.
[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2008535] Next up after a rest was club 102 - must have been 30-40 girls working at 8 pm. Picked one that suited my tastes and we went to the room. Nice room, big albeit hard bed. She actually gave a decent oil massage and then a serviceable but a bit toothy BBBJ. Cap on and sex in several positions. She seemed to enjoy it and had a good finish. Followed up with a Thai style massage to close out the time.
[/QUOTE]I visited Club 102 a few days ago. Booked Michelle. Slim all natural girl. She gave me a good massage first, much better than at most of the oil massage places. Followed by a great fuck. This girl can ride a cock!
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2015417]90 minutes? I am a bit confused on what constitutes a "short time" session these days. I took a girl to my hotel recently and shagged her for about 90 minutes (we had been in the room about 2 hours at that point). At around 4 am, she told me that she had not agreed to long time and that I needed to finish within the next 5 minutes. We began shagging again and I did not finish within the next 5 minutes, so she put an end to the session. She got up and went to the shower. When she came out, she was fully clothed and demanding 2000 baht (we had agreed to 2500 in the bar). I told her since I wasn't finished, I would give her 1000 baht, and if she wanted to continue and make me cum, I would give her 2500. She glared at me for what seemed like an eternity, then told me to fuck off, took the 1000 baht and left.[/QUOTE]She had no way of knowing if you would ever cum. So she had to cut her losses.
You certainly stiffed her. ST does not go on forever until you come. Normally 2 hours would be about the limit. If all guys did like you and decided to fuck for hours, decide not to cum, then pay less than half the agreed price, it will be a bad situation with extreme lack of trust, and girls will be wanting the money up front.
Even I don't cum, I still pay the money, if the girl did her best for quite long enough. The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.
Someone said Bangkok Bunnies was pretty good. I had a look. Good for some yes, if you are type who likes Baccara maybe, since there is a lot of silicone in their. Perhaps 50% of girls. Hard to tell exactly and some girls tops are highly covered. I thought the standard of girls had improved since my last visit maybe a year ago. Not many skinny girls and not many fatties. Mostly medium sized. Of all the girls that were topless, not one set of really nice natural tits. All were either enhanced or saggy. Really pretty faces? Not really. One or two nice looking girls but a bit too covered up for me.
Moved on to Billboard. Different type of girls altogether. Spinners. Rather slimmer on average. Did not spot a single set of implants at all. The topless girls were all natural and not many saggy tits around. No crazy Baccara like hairstyles either. Much more my type of girls similar to Crazy House types. Did not really try to check noses carefully, but generally more natural looking girls. Really pretty faces? Again not many so not really much better than Bangkok Bunnies for pretty faces.
Moved on to twisters. Wow what a difference! Girls with really great natural bodies (some with implants), but suddenly the total quality of looks including the faces, increased a lot. Several girls were looking really attractive. Twisters seems to have improved since my last visit with even more pretty girls than before. As it gets later the pretty girls diminish since they got BFed. For my taste this bar is well in front of the pack.
Both Twisters and Billboard were quite busy for customers, Bangkok Bunnies had far more girls than customers. So its not just my opinion that Twisters and Billboard have a better standard it seems.
What is my taste? I include a couple of pics of exotic looking 10 point non Thai girls. If Thai girls looked at all close to this I would be happy. Whoops, the last one actually is Thai. The Baccara look is not even slightly like the looks of these girls. A few twisters girls look good though for both face and body and maybe could score 8 out of 10.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2015460]I applaud you only giving her 1k. If more guys did that we'd all get better service. Not surprised at her attitude though. One night a few years ago we sat on the second floor of Nana Plaza at the little bar next to the ST hotel. We were there about 2 hrs and we decided to time the "couples" going in and out of the hotel. The average was less than 30 min for each couple. One rather fetching lass hit the hotel 3 times in two hours! So think about it. That's each person taking a shower before and after. So what, maybe 10 min of action at best? Dudes are paying over 100 USD in toto for 10 min of sex. So no wonder the gal was unhappy you wanted to go on for 120 min. She is just not used to that. They are spoiled beyond comprehension. And it is not their fault. It is the punters.[/QUOTE]I'm just wondering what the girl did wrong. She serviced the guy for 90 minutes, stayed with him for 2 hours but he did not finish. By Smoothy and your definition of short time, if you take 2 hours to finish or 4 hours to finish, it would not matter. This is crazy! ST is 1 pop in a reasonable amount of time and I think 2-3 hours YMMV is reasonable. You are comparing 10 minutes of action to a girl who tried her best for almost 2 hours, discounted her rate by 500 for him not finishing and accepting 1,000 instead. Give your head a shake man!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015536]Even I don't cum, I still pay the money, if the girl did her best for quite long enough.[/QUOTE]I'm notoriously hard to get off and fully expect to pay full fare regardless of the outcome, again assuming a good job. Based on the rental period for the short-time hotels I figure if I want much more than 90 minutes or possibly even 60 I'd better make it quite clear in the initial negotiations. After all, to the girl a minute is the same regardless of the accommodations.
The only time I've felt cheated was a vastly different situation: Last visit I went over the time limit (maybe 30 minutes?) at Som's Haven and got charged double. I suppose I should have just smiled and taken the lass back upstairs to get my money's worth but had places to go so didn't see if that would work. On the one hand, yes, I went over the limit (no regular rooms so had to go to the FS room with longer before and after cleanings) so cannot really argue, but the lack of warning was a little galling. The former Dr BJ had phones in each stall to call when the time was up.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015547]
What is my taste? I include a couple of pics of exotic looking 10 point non Thai girls. If Thai girls looked at all close to this I would be happy. Whoops, the last one actually is Thai. [/QUOTE]All of those girls are hot with the exception of the last one.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2015646]I'm just wondering what the girl did wrong. She serviced the guy for 90 minutes, stayed with him for 2 hours but he did not finish. By Smoothy and your definition of short time, if you take 2 hours to finish or 4 hours to finish, it would not matter. This is crazy! ST is 1 pop in a reasonable amount of time and I think 2-3 hours YMMV is reasonable. You are comparing 10 minutes of action to a girl who tried her best for almost 2 hours, discounted her rate by 500 for him not finishing and accepting 1,000 instead. Give your head a shake man![/QUOTE]Smoothy did actually offer her the full fare to stay and finish the job. And hey, they only went at it for 95 minutes according to Smoothy. Not so much time in my books. And so, she stays another 30 min or so. 2500 Baht for 2 - 3 hours work is really pretty good money.
Irina Shayk in the red bikini is the only girl in Syzy's photos I like. Syzy shouldn't be surprised with our opposite end of the spectrum tastes. The Thai girl is kinda cute. Would be much better if she changed her hairstyle to this century.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015547]No crazy Baccara like hairstyles either.[/QUOTE]
I understand now. You're not into modern fashion.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015536]Even I don't cum, I still pay the money, if the girl did her best for quite long enough. The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.[/QUOTE]Smoothy did not comment on whether the gal had done her "best" or not. ST is usually considered 1 pop by these gals. Now, most of the time this works in the gals favor because most dudes come quite quickly and sometimes not as in the case of Smoothy. If she wants to commit to a certain time frame, say 90 min, then that is a different story. In that case I would expect 90 min whether I come three times or none. On reason I like oilies is I have a block of time and never hear after 5 min of intercourse, "you finit, you finit."
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2015646]I'm just wondering what the girl did wrong. She serviced the guy for 90 minutes, stayed with him for 2 hours but he did not finish. By Smoothy and your definition of short time, if you take 2 hours to finish or 4 hours to finish, it would not matter. This is crazy! ST is 1 pop in a reasonable amount of time and I think 2-3 hours YMMV is reasonable. You are comparing 10 minutes of action to a girl who tried her best for almost 2 hours, discounted her rate by 500 for him not finishing and accepting 1,000 instead. Give your head a shake man![/QUOTE]I've generally paid the ladies of the street around the NEP area double the usual 1000 baht short time, since I would keep them for the full hour & due to the type of services I required.
Considering they often finished a date in half that time, I thought that was reasonable. It seemed to generally make them happy.
Also with me staying nearby at the Nana Hotel was convenient for both me & the ladies. Very little travelling time or getting sweaty involved.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015547]What is my taste? I include a couple of pics of exotic looking 10 point non Thai girls. If Thai girls looked at all close to this I would be happy. Whoops, the last one actually is Thai. The Baccara look is not even slightly like the looks of these girls. A few twisters girls look good though for both face and body and maybe could score 8 out of 10.[/QUOTE]Only gal in the bunch I am attracted to is the one in the red bikini.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2015718]Smoothy did not comment on whether the gal had done her "best" or not. ST is usually considered 1 pop by these gals. Now, most of the time this works in the gals favor because most dudes come quite quickly and sometimes not as in the case of Smoothy. If she wants to commit to a certain time frame, say 90 min, then that is a different story. In that case I would expect 90 min whether I come three times or none. On reason I like oilies is I have a block of time and never hear after 5 min of intercourse, "you finit, you finit."[/QUOTE]Two hours is the longest time that a ST goes for. In fact for many girls you would not get 2 hours (that is a different issue). He commented 90 minutes of actual fucking. A ST definitely does not go until the guy pops. We may not pop till tomorrow or next week. The girl's frustration was warranted. She offered 5 minutes more. If he wanted more, he should have specified a maximum amount of extra time he needed, rather than unlimited time. In other words act reasonably.
Girls hate Viagra as it can allow a guy to fuck for 90 minutes without popping. Never happened in the old days. Almost never.
Guys that want 2 hours or more need to negotiate for that in the original price. Guys want the world from the girl but treat them badly. Pay up front got introduced at MPs because the guys could not be trusted to pay the agreed amounts (for the session time). Not about whether he popped or not.
To make the girl trust him at all, he could have said here is 2K (that she requested) now. If you stay for another 30 minutes, I give you 1K more. Even then she may have had enough and been fucked out already, and refused the extra time.
On a Tangent, something that made me laugh. Someone (possibly Expat Lover) wrote that in Germany FKK you get 30 minutes for 50 Euros with the girl, but that it is very rare for a guy to use the whole 30 minutes to get his one pop. Seemed strange to me since I never pop within 30 minutes, at least probably not in the last 10 years. I waste some time firstly with kissing and DATY. Actual fucking is still normally much more than 30 mins. I like 1 to 2 hour sessions. However Smoothy wants the girl to fuck for more than 90 minutes (and only wasted 30 minutes in shower and other things). In FKK there is no problem. Each additional 30 minutes or part thereof costs another 50 Euros. The girl doesn't get cheated. A 2 hour session costs a lot more than in Thailand of course, but reasonable value for a 30 minute quickie.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2015724]Only gal in the bunch I am attracted to is the one in the red bikini.[/QUOTE]Sure I just show what is my style, so it is clear. These are all considered stunners by others of course, but not everyone's taste.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2015712]Irina Shayk in the red bikini is the only girl in Syzy's photos I like. Syzy shouldn't be surprised with our opposite end of the spectrum tastes. The Thai girl is kinda cute. Would be much better if she changed her hairstyle to this century.
[/QUOTE]The Thai girl pic is very old. At least 20 years ago. So never mind her hair. I sure her hair would be different today. These pics are also from 20+ years ago. Unfortunately the girl died in an accident. Hence old hairstyles from the time. However still very cute for me.
Hair and wigs in Baccara are truly horrible. Many styles are designed to hide a large portion of the face. I like to see the face properly.
Most black girls on Sukhumvit are ugly, but last night was very attracted to one with big hot Angelina Jolie lips and slim, but big tits, and not too big ass. Unfortunately I had just fucked a girl already. Otherwise might have tried the black girl. Exotic looks is something I like. Skin colour is not important for me.
Somebody wrote recently something to the effect that good looking girls don't need to do anal. Can't remember where I saw it. But I would go further than that; good looking Thai girls don't need to peddle their wares in Go-Go Bars, MPs, Escort Agencies, Freelancing or anywhere else in the P4 P industry. Not really good looking Thai girls agreed upon to be so by most within their own circle. True 9's and 10's get scooped up by well-to-do Thai men and taken care of as far from the P4 P scene as possible.
That doesn't mean a rare stunner or two doesn't pop up for a brief time in a bar somewhere every now and then. But I doubt very seriously they couldn't be out-barfined faster and more enthusiastically than the 5th best looking non P4P Thai girl who rode up the long escalator at Terminal 21 between Noon and 1PM last Friday should that girl decide for whatever weird reason to don a bikini or less and stand on the stage at Crazy House, Baccara, Billboard or Twister Bar.
Very different standard between the Thai Go-Go Bar world or anywhere else in the P4 P scene and what is out there in the real world, imo. The pics posted by Syzy, looking AS THEY LOOK in those pics whether they were photo-shopped or not? None of us have ever seen a girl who looks that good standing in the buff on a Bangkok or Pattaya Go-Go Bar waiting to be barfined for the going rate. Or even double that amount. lol.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2015738]Somebody wrote recently something to the effect that good looking girls don't need to do anal. Can't remember where I saw it. But I would go further than that; good looking girls don't need to peddle their wares in Go-Go Bars, MPs, Escort Agencies, Freelancing or anywhere else in the P4 P industry. Not really good looking girls agreed upon to be so by most within their own circle. True 9's and 10's get scooped up by well-to-do Thai men and taken care of as far from the P4 P scene as possible.
That doesn't mean a rare stunner or two doesn't pop up for a brief time in a bar somewhere every now and then.[/QUOTE]I agree for once. It is very hard to find girls at all close to stunning in the P4 P industry, especially the Oilies average standard of looks is not high. Fortunately we are not forced to choose average looking P4 P girls.
Soapies are full of girls with badly done surgeries too. Saw a topless girl last night with very realistic implants at Twisters. I could tell were implants mainly because were a little too good and did not bounce normally. I could have taken her though since the tits did not look ugly as most implants do, and face was also good. Maybe her skin was a little too tan coloured for the white skin bigots.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2015738]Somebody wrote recently something to the effect that good looking girls don't need to do anal. Can't remember where I saw it. But I would go further than that; good looking girls don't need to peddle their wares in Go-Go Bars, MPs, Escort Agencies, Freelancing or anywhere else in the P4 P industry. Not really good looking girls agreed upon to be so by most within their own circle. True 9's and 10's get scooped up by well-to-do Thai men and taken care of as far from the P4 P scene as possible.
That doesn't mean a rare stunner or two doesn't pop up for a brief time in a bar somewhere every now and then. But I doubt very seriously they couldn't be out-barfined faster and more enthusiastically than the 5th best looking non P4P Thai girl who rode up the long escalator at Terminal 21 between Noon and 1PM last Friday should that girl decide for whatever weird reason to don a bikini or less and stand on the stage at Crazy House, Baccara, Billboard or Twister Bar.
Very different standard between the Thai Go-Go Bar world or anywhere else in the P4 P scene and what is out there in the real world, imo. The pics posted by Syzy, looking AS THEY LOOK in those pics whether they were shopped or not? None of us have ever seen a girl who looks that good standing in the buff on a Bangkok or Pattaya Go-Go Bar waiting to be barfined for the going rate. Or even double that amount. lol.[/QUOTE]You got it. I remember that remark by someone in the forum. You put on your beer glasses and they all begin to look good. 3 or 4 drinks and you'll leave with anything with legs. I remember sitting in Bangkok Beat and seeing the drunk Farangs walk in with the LB's and make out in the rear corner. I limit my alcohol intake in BKK. I don't want any surprises or Coyote ugly events in my life.
RL.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2015747]You got it. I remember that remark by someone in the forum. You put on your beer glasses and they all begin to look good. 3 or 4 drinks and you'll leave with anything with legs. I remember sitting in Bangkok Beat and seeing the drunk Farangs walk in with the LB's and make out in the rear corner. I limit my alcohol intake in BKK. I don't want any surprises or Coyote ugly events in my life.
RL.[/QUOTE]The thing is, this is only a provable theory in real life, walking around the malls and office buildings throughout Thailand with a friend with each of you pointing out the true 9's and 10's around here. Photos lie or fall short of the reality too much. A better photographer could certainly make a bargirl 6 look better than any photo I could take of that girl you saw stepping out of a taxi at Central Embassy who you might not be able to shake from your memory for a week. And once you are cruising the bar areas on the hunt, a different reference point and unit of measure takes over even if you don't drink alcohol at all.
But in real life, walking around, you see one impossibly beautiful girl with hair, skin tone, body proportions, near perfect facial features, etc. like you have never seen up close and personal with any Go-Go bargirl ever. Then you turn a corner and see an even better looking one walking in the other direction. So you have just seen real examples of a true Thai 9 and a Thai 10. Until you see another one even better looking and more impossibly beautiful than the other two. LOL.
Sure, I suppose one might say you never can tell what horrors are going on under those clothes, giving the Go-Go Bar girl a potential edge. But, seriously, if what is going on under those clothes is just 75% as good as what you see in their overall body, arms, legs, neck, face, cleavage and so on, they still beat virtually every Go-Go Bar girl I have ever seen.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015743]I agree for once. It is very hard to find girls at all close to stunning in the P4 P industry, especially the Oilies average standard of looks is not high. Fortunately we are not forced to choose average looking P4 P girls.
Soapies are full of girls with badly done surgeries too. Saw a topless girl last night with very realistic implants at Twisters. I could tell were implants mainly because were a little too good and did not bounce normally. I could have taken her though since the tits did not look ugly as most implants do, and face was also good. Maybe her skin was a little too tan coloured for the white skin bigots.[/QUOTE]The other interesting thing is the best looking bar girls know they aren't really up there with the best looking real world Thai girls, say 8's and up, that are easily observable around town. They certainly never felt it growing up, never got that message from the boys in the neighborhood. If they ever felt with certainty they were up at that level, they wouldn't be working in a go-go bar in the first place. Not saying those guys didn't want and didn't try to fuck them. Of course, they did. And on that measure, the better looking bar girls might feel secure. But on what they know very well is the standard of Thai beauty all around them, they know they are not even in the running and would probably avoid settings where a side-by-side comparison is likely to occur too much and too often like the plague.
Understanding that about them, the "they don't need to do anal sex" issue comes into play again. It is my opinion that the only reason better looking bargirls perhaps don't engage in activities WE might think they are too good looking to agree to is because they are not asked to do them often enough by customers too intimidated by their relative good looks to ask it of them. They did not grow up thinking they were entitled or so special they wouldn't need to do more or do better to please. They had eyes. They could see the girls who might be entitled that way and they were not them.
Imo, that they don't engage in whatever it is we might like them to engage in is really a result of lower self-esteem on the customer's part, a lack of confidence to outright ask for it, than higher self-esteem on the bargirl's part. We put them on a pedestal they have never felt they belonged on in their lives.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015727]
On a Tangent, something that made me laugh. Someone (possibly Expat Lover) wrote that in Germany FKK you get 30 minutes for 50 Euros with the girl, but that it is very rare for a guy to use the whole 30 minutes to get his one pop. [/QUOTE]Correction: I now see it was CrocodileExp who recently wrote:
"ST is indeed typically 1 pop, though it rarely takes the entire hour. It is not uncommon for an ST to be 2 pops and take up to 2 hours, but that has to be agreed in advance. ".
I agree with the part that if you want more than usual, e. G. 2 pops or more than 2 hours, you had better discuss with the girl so no misunderstanding. There has to be a time limit for ST.
[QUOTE=BadDuck;2015341]Snip. Headed out to Nana like I owned the place again. Found a beer bar and sat down. My balls were too dry to do anything after Wood. Ladyboys tried to pick me up. I want to try them but scared a bit. Any advice?
Left bkk to Phuket and walked down Bangla. Prices are ridiculous. ID rather save up for my return trip to BKK. Read bad reviews about Cristian so sitting opposite it in a bar and writing this review.
I'm definitely doing Annie's or tulip for a 3 some on my way back to bkk. Anyone had luck with LB fun with smooci that is safe?
I have to say that without the help of this forum, I'd be a sore loser not knowing where to spend my money.[/QUOTE]There's a thread in the Thailand forum called Identifying Transvestites, whose purpose is to show how to spot and avoid them, that may be of interest. However, asking how to find ladyboys to have sex with is a quick way to get kicked off ISG.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2015922]There's a thread in the Thailand forum called Identifying Transvestites, whose purpose is to show how to spot and avoid them, that may be of interest. However, asking how to find ladyboys to have sex with is a quick way to get kicked off ISG.[/QUOTE]Alrighty. I'll keep that in mind. However I didn't ask how to spot them. I was just scoping for success stories.
Thanks for the heads up. Sometimes I can be a complete noob.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2015922]There's a thread in the Thailand forum called Identifying Transvestites, whose purpose is to show how to spot and avoid them, that may be of interest. However, asking how to find ladyboys to have sex with is a quick way to get kicked off ISG.[/QUOTE]I think the op could get away with discussing this topic in the smooci advertiser thread since they offer that service and they pay ISG a fee.
[QUOTE=BadDuck;2015341]I have to say that although I am a newbie here I've RTFF and feel like I know this place perfectly. Best advice ever: RTFF.
I reached bkk at 1 am reached suk soi 8 by 3 after breezing through immigration. Didn't want to go punting outside so booked through smooci and Venus comes over at 430. Noticed a little hesitation from her but she got with it and did what I asked. Decent BBBJ and good riding. Didn't allow me to COF so I COT. 2400 bht.
Next day walked into Wood bar like I owned the place. Mama showed me the lineup and picked a petite cutie. She washed me up and gave me a seat. She went all out on Jonny didin give him a moment to relax. I can't believe how she sucked my balls so much. CIM and left. 1000 bht.
Headed out to Nana like I owned the place again. Found a beer bar and sat down. My balls were too dry to do anything after Wood. Ladyboys tried to pick me up. I want to try them but scared a bit. Any advice?
Left bkk to Phuket and walked down Bangla. Prices are ridiculous. ID rather save up for my return trip to BKK. Read bad reviews about Cristian so sitting opposite it in a bar and writing this review.
I'm definitely doing Annie's or tulip for a 3 some on my way back to bkk. Anyone had luck with LB fun with smooci that is safe?
I have to say that without the help of this forum, I'd be a sore loser not knowing where to spend my money.[/QUOTE]It is prohibited to discuss this on the forum. I would suggest you PM admin and ask if you could post in the smooci advertiser thread about this topic since they offer that service and pay ISG. Otherwise you can PM smooci directly to discuss your options or PM another senior member to get some feedback. You may need to purchase a membership to use the PM feature as I'm not sure of your member status. Most seniors know not to discuss this topic so that's why I question your ignorance and member status.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2015955]I think the op could get away with discussing this topic in the smooci advertiser thread since they offer that service and they pay ISG a fee.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2015958]It is prohibited to discuss this on the forum. I would suggest you PM admin and ask if you could post in the smooci advertiser thread about this topic since they offer that service and pay ISG. Otherwise you can PM smooci directly to discuss your options or PM another senior member to get some feedback. You may need to purchase a membership to use the PM feature as I'm not sure of your member status. Most seniors know not to discuss this topic so that's why I question your ignorance and member status.[/QUOTE]Will keep that in mind henceforth.
[QUOTE=BadDuck;2015341]Headed out to Nana like I owned the place again. Found a beer bar and sat down. My balls were too dry to do anything after Wood. Ladyboys tried to pick me up. I want to try them but scared a bit. Any advice?
[/QUOTE]This a forum for pussy lovers and not for dick lovers. If you are like me, it is fine to talk, drink, and socialise with the nicer ladyboys, but I don't certainly don't want to see their crotch or mess with it. So as others pointed out, this forum does not allow discussions of sex with ladyboys. Or anything verging on that. The moderators probably consider it to be a somewhat doubtful activity verging on homosexual / bisexual which is not what this forum is about. There is no problem however to discuss ladies performing sexual activities on other ladies. I have certainly met and enjoyed some bi-sexual Thai girls.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015773]There has to be a time limit for ST.[/QUOTE]Some girls are out of my place within 15 minutes. Others are longer. I had a girl come over during the day in Jakarta at 3 pm for a short time session. We had so much fun having her try on various sexy outfits, taking photos, talking about many things, and of course having sex that she ended up staying until 11 pm. So it was an 8 hour short time. She didn't complain at all. In fact, she came over the following day for another "short time" where she was in my place for 6 hours.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2015536]She had no way of knowing if you would ever cum. So she had to cut her losses.
You certainly stiffed her. ST does not go on forever until you come. Normally 2 hours would be about the limit. If all guys did like you and decided to fuck for hours, decide not to cum, then pay less than half the agreed price, it will be a bad situation with extreme lack of trust, and girls will be wanting the money up front.
Even I don't cum, I still pay the money, if the girl did her best for quite long enough. The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.[/QUOTE]Finally someone who puts it all in perspective! I agree 100% with you on this Syz. Why not pay for LT if someone want to fuck for several hours or with multiple pops? Thai girls are normally not into long sessions or exotic sex games. They are farm girls most of them! Of course the girl should perform as expected and it is my experience that most will do. But if you start messing with them and play a game the mood will change and it is not always you will be lucky like this with just an angry girl. Next time she might call the police or do some other crazy stuff. Do not play with the girl. Treat them with respect. As Syz indicate; this will benefit us all in the long run.
Had booked Rebecca and J-Net. Both were good. Would rate 8/10.
I will be arriving in BKK tomorrow, Friday 3/31 and staying for 5 days. Not my first trip but would still appreciate some pointers.
I like spinners, not more than 1.52 m tall and under 40 kilos, natural tits, cute is good.
I will be staying at a hotel halfway between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza and usually patrol that area.
Any leads would be greatly appreciated!
Hi friends,
I am coming to in BKK in April end on a business tour. Plan spend couple of days extra for fun. It's my first trip and wanted to know the reliability of Craigslist ads. It can cut short my time in searching in the bars.
Thanks for your help.
Regards.
Titto.
[QUOTE=SteveOak;2016296]I will be arriving in BKK tomorrow, Friday 3/31 and staying for 5 days. Not my first trip but would still appreciate some pointers.
I like spinners, not more than 1.52 m tall and under 40 kilos, natural tits, cute is good.
I will be staying at a hotel halfway between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza and usually patrol that area.
Any leads would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]If you like gogo bars at all, I would suggest Billboard (Nana Plaza), for cute little natural tit topless girls in the sudsy bath, also try its sister bar Butterflies (was Jailbirdz), and the Crazy House bar in Soi 23 very near to Cowboy for totally nude spinners (lots of bare pussy to see). My favourite little girl there would be sexy tan skinned Jane No. 4 only just over 40 kilos, or maybe less. Did not weigh her. LOL Great on the bed with rimming, but very small tits though.
You specs only vary from mine in that I take taller girls as well, being a relatively tall guy.
Enjoy! These places should be exciting for you, and the most relevant bars.
Are there any massage places full of spinners? I doubt it. Nothing comes to mind immediately.
[QUOTE=BenZw126;2016098]Had booked Rebecca and J-Net. Both were good. Would rate 8/10.[/QUOTE]You seem to be in the wrong thread for this. There is an Escorts thread (and an advertising thread). Smooci also has limited relevance.
[QUOTE=SteveOak;2016296]I will be arriving in BKK tomorrow, Friday 3/31 and staying for 5 days. Not my first trip but would still appreciate some pointers.
I like spinners, not more than 1.52 m tall and under 40 kilos, natural tits, cute is good.
I will be staying at a hotel halfway between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza and usually patrol that area.
Any leads would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]The average height of a Thai woman has been listed at 5 feet 2 & a half inches. You want one under 5 feet & according to your specs. That shouldn't be hard to find.
Bar & gogo girls are often sitting, so finding out how tall they are could be problematic.
I'd suggest heading towards Nana Hotel keeping your eyes open for street freelancers. Have your measuring tape handy to verify any that look close to the height you are looking for. If you need to weigh any of them, there is a scale for 2 baht outside the seven eleven store at the NEP intersection. You could also ask her how much she weighs, but some ladies might find it insulting.
Best of luck. I hope to read an account of your successful adventures.
[QUOTE=Titto;2016422]I am coming to in BKK in April end on a business tour. Plan spend couple of days extra for fun. It's my first trip and wanted to know the reliability of Craigslist ads. It can cut short my time in searching in the bars.[/QUOTE]I would be reluctant to trust CL ads for P4P.
I'd suggest rather an escort option based on the reviews in the ISG escort thread.
Hope all members doing well, specially Syz. I didn't post long time for some personal reasons. I am reaching BKK tonight. Went through some pages of this thread and the except tulip and Annie's to know how is it going these days. It's a short visit just 2 and half days, don't know how much can be covered this time. I would be glad to share few drinks with any senior members tomorrow or Sunday around Asoke to Nana may be will visit CH too.
I went to Spasso around 1 am and the place was truly hopping. As I was ordering my 330 Baht San Miguel Light beer, a couple of hotties sitting on the bar stools next to me pretty much opened me up and started chatting. I took one of them on the dance floor, but there was no chemistry, so I picked up my beer and told her I would walk around. At the minimum I got social validation from that because all the other girls saw I was a fun guy who attracts other girls.
As I did, at some point a chick makes eye contact with me. I have a double-take but continue walking past, so she pretty much tugs at my sleeve. This is what it feels like to be Brad Pitt! Except he gets that everywhere and I only get it at Spasso.
Anyway, I started to chat with her, some light touching, a bit of dancing. She had a good vibe, a pretty face, nice white skin for an Asian and a decent pair of fake tits. There was good rapport, so I asked if she wanted to "go somewhere else" with me. All the girls ask you in the first 3 minutes how many times you've been at Spasso before, just to double-check that you know you'll have to pay. They don't want to waste their precious time chit-chatting with an unexperienced and uninformed man who thinks he will be getting a freebie. I always answer 5 times. Clearly if I've been 5 times, it signals that I know the deal.
She asked 5000 Baht. I said it was a bit too much. She said how much can I pay? Notice the "can" as in: you get a discount for being poor. I told her I'd pay her 4000 but if she was really good I would give her 1000 Baht tip. She liked that. I like to keep them on their best behavior with the right incentive.
She tried to get me to bring her back to my condo, but I don't want to lose face with my building management, so I asked if she knew a short-time hotel. She said yes, there is one on Soi 3, and I said "PB Hotel", so she was happy I was a knowledgeable client.
We took a taxi to the PB hotel. I managed to get the guy to switch on his meter. The hotel was 380 Baht. I left a 20 Baht tip to the manager. We undressed, and she was pretty thin as I surmised from groping her at Spasso. I asked if she had a condom and she did. Sometimes these girls come unequipped, so I was grateful she hadn't forgotten to bring one. She asked for the money upfront, and I just told her "I always pay the girls afterwards". She said "I trust you" and did not create any more fuss about it. You just have to deliver that line in a totally relaxed and confident way like it's blindingly obvious (which it is).
I pointed to the special sex chair which is standard equipment at PB Hotel and told her I would fuck her in the chair. She seemed a bit taken aback, but she did not say no, so without further ado we got started.
She was very sensual in the sack and I just got hard from being next to her. She rubbed my cock, then gave me a BJ which was actually quite good. For the intromission, she insisted on the missionary, which is unusual because normally the girl wants to be on top in order to control the speed and depth. But I was more than happy to oblige. I flipped her through 5 different positions and we had a good bang. I did her make her lay on the chair with her legs spread out. Was very sexy! I finished in the missionary again. All in all, she deserved the 1000 Baht tip that I had dangled in front of her because she was a good fuck.
Afterwards she gave me a good massage. Unusual for a freelancer, and quite relaxing.
Would I recommend and repeat? Spasso yes, the girl no. There are just so many girls in there, they're all the same after a while. I can't say this one was better or worse than any other. She enjoyed flirting and having sex with me, that was her only differentiating quality that night. Spasso is expensive but it's classy, and that's an atmosphere I like.
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2016916]I went to Spasso around 1 am and the place was truly hopping. As I was ordering my 330 Baht San Miguel Light beer, a couple of hotties sitting on the bar stools next to me pretty much opened me up and started chatting. I took one of them on the dance floor, but there was no chemistry, so I picked up my beer and told her I would walk around. At the minimum I got social validation from that because all the other girls saw I was a fun guy who attracts other girls.
As I did, at some point a chick makes eye contact with me. I have a double-take but continue walking past, so she pretty much tugs at my sleeve. This is what it feels like to be Brad Pitt! Except he gets that everywhere and I only get it at Spasso.
Anyway, I started to chat with her, some light touching, a bit of dancing. She had a good vibe, a pretty face, nice white skin for an Asian and a decent pair of fake tits. There was good rapport, so I asked if she wanted to "go somewhere else" with me. All the girls ask you in the first 3 minutes how many times you've been at Spasso before, just to double-check that you know you'll have to pay. They don't want to waste their precious time chit-chatting with an unexperienced and uninformed man who thinks he will be getting a freebie. I always answer 5 times. Clearly if I've been 5 times, it signals that I know the deal.
She asked 5000 Baht. I said it was a bit too much. She said how much can I pay? Notice the "can" as in: you get a discount for being poor. I told her I'd pay her 4000 but if she was really good I would give her 1000 Baht tip. She liked that. I like to keep them on their best behavior with the right incentive.
She tried to get me to bring her back to my condo, but I don't want to lose face with my building management, so I asked if she knew a short-time hotel. She said yes, there is one on Soi 3, and I said "PB Hotel", so she was happy I was a knowledgeable client.
We took a taxi to the PB hotel. I managed to get the guy to switch on his meter. The hotel was 380 Baht. I left a 20 Baht tip to the manager. We undressed, and she was pretty thin as I surmised from groping her at Spasso. I asked if she had a condom and she did. Sometimes these girls come unequipped, so I was grateful she hadn't forgotten to bring one. She asked for the money upfront, and I just told her "I always pay the girls afterwards". She said "I trust you" and did not create any more fuss about it. You just have to deliver that line in a totally relaxed and confident way like it's blindingly obvious (which it is).
I pointed to the special sex chair which is standard equipment at PB Hotel and told her I would fuck her in the chair. She seemed a bit taken aback, but she did not say no, so without further ado we got started.
She was very sensual in the sack and I just got hard from being next to her. She rubbed my cock, then gave me a BJ which was actually quite good. For the intromission, she insisted on the missionary, which is unusual because normally the girl wants to be on top in order to control the speed and depth. But I was more than happy to oblige. I flipped her through 5 different positions and we had a good bang. I did her make her lay on the chair with her legs spread out. Was very sexy! I finished in the missionary again. All in all, she deserved the 1000 Baht tip that I had dangled in front of her because she was a good fuck.
Afterwards she gave me a good massage. Unusual for a freelancer, and quite relaxing.
Would I recommend and repeat? Spasso yes, the girl no. There are just so many girls in there, they're all the same after a while. I can't say this one was better or worse than any other. She enjoyed flirting and having sex with me, that was her only differentiating quality that night. Spasso is expensive but it's classy, and that's an atmosphere I like.[/QUOTE]May I ask how old she is? Spasso has so some great looking talent, but I always find them to be above 30. I like them to be 20-25 years old.
[QUOTE=Titto;2016422]Hi friends,
I am coming to in BKK in April end on a business tour. Plan spend couple of days extra for fun. It's my first trip and wanted to know the reliability of Craigslist ads. It can cut short my time in searching in the bars.
Thanks for your help.
Regards.
Titto.[/QUOTE]
After your business tour, here is how you can spend your remaining extra 2 days as you stated.
I understand the way you are thinking but you may run into a few surprises by booking ladies from CL. They can be unreliable and dodgy at times. If you want a good itinerary, I would suggest something like the following:
Morning: sometime between 11:00-13:00 visit an oily for a 2 hour session.
Afternoon: After grab a good lunch to recharge your batteries and head to a Sopie massage or Nuru on Ratchada, Soi 7/1, or Soi 2.
Evening: Have a good dinner again to recharge your batteries a second time and then head over to Nana Plaza. Visit one of the many go go bars and choose a lady for some ST Action in one of the ST hotels nearby.
Then go over to Soi Cowboy into CH and choose another girl for ST Action again in one of the nearby short time hotels. By this time, it should be about midnight. Finally take a breather at the 24 hour pizza place and then head to Thermae, Insanity, Or Climax to pick up a lady for LT Action.
Repeat again on the 2nd day.
You won't waste anytime this way, can see what you are paying for before you commit, and you will have 5 ladies per day. Can you handle it?
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2016916]
As I did, at some point a chick makes eye contact with me. I have a double-take but continue walking past, so she pretty much tugs at my sleeve. This is what it feels like to be Brad Pitt! Except he gets that everywhere and I only get it at Spasso.
[/QUOTE]Imagination.
Yeh the black girls on the Sukhumwit street tug at my sleeve too. Strange it did not make me feel like Brad Pitt.
So Spasso girl costs 5 K for ST (4 K + 1 K tip). Similar to Escort but at least you get to meet her and evaluate chemistry first. Was she so stunning to be worth it? Girl in a Oily MP makes about 1300 on average for a 2 hour customer. So she has to do 4 customers to make the same money. Some nice looking, but maybe not stunning.
If not on a budget, price doesn't matter.
Is there a danger the girl won't look so good when she gets naked back at your Hotel?
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2016916]
Would I recommend and repeat? Spasso yes, the girl no. There are just so many girls in there, they're all the same after a while. I can't say this one was better or worse than any other. She enjoyed flirting and having sex with me, that was her only differentiating quality that night. Spasso is expensive but it's classy, and that's an atmosphere I like.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report Eric.
I've only been to Spasso once and I found the girls to be mediocre looking an it to be very dark there. I think I went on a Tuesday.
In any case once visit is probably not enough to make a definitive decision about a place. And I am still kind of curious about Spasso.
I know you are an experienced Monger and have enjoyed your reports about picking up girls at Ibar. So I ask you: how, in your opinion, does the quality of the girls compare?
Thanks again for your report and stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.
I went over to Spasso last night as well. It was around 12:45 am and as reported the bar was hopping. Apparently it was Cowboy and Indian night with several girls in costume. There were plenty of girls, but even more guys in my estimated count. I ordered an Absolute on ice and over the next hour I chatted with two Vietnamese girls (one of which was very attractive) and a very sexy cute Thai girl wearing a seductive v neck black evening dress. I liked the Thai girl best, but since I just had sex with a cute 85 lb King's Castle 2 kitten, I wasn't ready for a 2nd helping and I didn't want to take up too much of the Thai girl's working time in the bar. So when she began broaching the subject of where I was staying and how much she would like to go back to my hotel and take care of me, I told her I could not tonight. She politely understood my position, so I told her I liked her and asked if she was planning to come back to Spasso Saturday night. She said yes and then she gave me her cell number so we could set something up at a later date. Again, she seemed like a very nice, socially graceful, attractive Thai girl. I speculate she is between 27 and 33 years old. Tonight, however, I will probably repeat with my little 20 year old Patpong 1 girl rather than do this sexy Thai Spasso girl, but you never know what's going to happen until it happens. This is Bangkok.
Uncle Volodya, I like Spasso and usually go there one or two times per one of my 4 to 5 week BKK visits. But it reminds me of far better 5 star hotel FL pick up bars like CJ's at the Mulia in Jakarta, where I will be heading soon, and Brix at the Hyatt in Singapore. CJ's is amazing with maybe 3 or 4 times as many girls especially on Wednesday ladies night and the weekend and the girls are younger and for the most part better looking IMHO. Brix is the classiest FL hotel pick up bar I know of featuring amazingly good looking and very expensive import talent from all over Asia and even Russia (the real Russia) LOL.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2016933]May I ask how old she is? Spasso has so some great looking talent, but I always find them to be above 30. I like them to be 20-25 years old.[/QUOTE]You may ask. But the age of these Thai girls is notoriously hard to assess. And I implemented a "don't ask, don't tell" policy with her on this topic. I did not really care to find out how many decades younger than me she was.
She looks like she is in the gap between the two ranges that you mentioned, but closer to 30+ than to 20-25. So if you want a definite number that would be 29. Take it as an educated guess with an error margin.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2016948]Imagination.
Yeh the black girls on the Sukhumwit street tug at my sleeve too. Strange it did not make me feel like Brad Pitt.[/QUOTE]Count on my discretion, I won't tell Nina that you just put her in the same class as a black streetwalker.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2016948]
So Spasso girl costs 5 K for ST (4 K + 1 K tip). Similar to Escort but at least you get to meet her and evaluate chemistry first.
[/QUOTE]Good summary, I could not have said it any better. This is the correct comparison.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2016948]
Was she so stunning to be worth it?
[/QUOTE]Not really. You don't pay extra just for looks. You pay for testing the chemistry, reviewing as many girls as you want, a classy dress, her commitment to please, and her lack of jadedness.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2016948]If not on a budget, price doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]Climax is better value-for-money ratio than Spasso, but it's also more work, and I'm a lazy bastard. I like shooting fish in a barrel. I would have gone to Climax, but it was just too early.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2016948]Is there a danger the girl won't look so good when she gets naked back at your Hotel?[/QUOTE]Yes there is, but compared to the danger that the girl from the go-go bar will be a starfish, this is more manageable.
Experienced mongers have X-ray eyes that detect the bra padding, the body-mass index, and the hip-to-weight ratio with near-millimetric accuracy. And there's plenty of light at Spasso, unlike some of the other venues. There's a reason why: Spasso like to keep up the quality - otherwise it's just way too easy for the least scrupulous girls to game the system. I've seen this happen in other countries and eventually the place just dies down.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2016983]Brix is the classiest FL hotel pick up bar I know of featuring amazingly good looking and very expensive import talent from all over Asia and even Russia (the real Russia) LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about Brix and the talent they have on display. Quite clearly they have the best live band performing every night. But it's too rich and pricey for my blood. A drink costs $25. Girls quote opening prices of $500 for ST, sometime upwards. Incredible! And quite a few of those ladies, specially from Vietnam and Philippines head down to Orchard Tower after 3 am when Brix shuts. And the prices tumble too.
I had been to Brix nearly 2 months back with a colleague who was visiting from New York. At around 10.30 pm the place was buzzing with talent. I was solicited by a few beauties but I was simply not in the mood. My colleague who was staying at the Hyatt found himself a Mongolian takeaway for $400. Next morning he gave a glowing report too.
Guessing about Natty's taste in women and places from his posts, I can see why he likes Brix so much.
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2017021]Experienced mongers have X-ray eyes that detect the bra padding, the body-mass index, and the hip-to-weight ratio with near-millimetric accuracy. [/QUOTE]Let's give it up for Eric Swiss. Best comment I have seen all week.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2016953]Thanks for the report Eric.
I've only been to Spasso once and I found the girls to be mediocre looking an it to be very dark there. I think I went on a Tuesday.[/QUOTE]Dear Uncle,
Thank you for the response, and for the challenging questions.
I guess if you must try again, maybe Friday would be better. Thursday could be good too. Saturday could just be way too hectic, so only do it if you like this uncontrollable intensity.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2016953]
In any case once visit is probably not enough to make a definitive decision about a place. And I am still kind of curious about Spasso.
I know you are an experienced Monger and have enjoyed your reports about picking up girls at Ibar. So I ask you: how, in your opinion, does the quality of the girls compare?
Thanks again for your report and stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]The girls at Spasso are more vetted. There's a bouncer at the door who knows all of them. He nodded intensely to my girl as we went out together in order to remember her face, and let her know that he knew who she was. The girls don't mess up, they're conscientious: one strike and they're out. It's not quite as conveyor-belt as a go-go bar because the girls can come and go whenever they please, but the management wants clean girls and fully satisfied customers.
At I-Bar it's a bit all over the place. You get girls who finish their shift and didn't meet their target so they want to make a quick buck and finish the day on a high note. You get gaggles of girls who hang out together, on the off-chance that one of them gets laid for money, sometimes they get drunk and behave unpredictably.
Conclusion: When it goes well at the I-Bar, it is as good as Spasso. At Spasso you pay extra because the girls are more worried about getting shut out by bad feedback. And they dress nicer. And they speak better English. And they are smarter. And the music is better. But these are just details.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2016983]I
Uncle Volodya, I like Spasso and usually go there one or two times per one of my 4 to 5 week BKK visits. But it reminds me of far better 5 star hotel FL pick up bars like CJ's at the Mulia in Jakarta, where I will be heading soon, and Brix at the Hyatt in Singapore. CJ's is amazing with maybe 3 or 4 times as many girls especially on Wednesday ladies night and the weekend and the girls are younger and for the most part better looking IMHO. Brix is the classiest FL hotel pick up bar I know of featuring amazingly good looking and very expensive import talent from all over Asia and even Russia (the real Russia) LOL.[/QUOTE]You need to make it over to Manhattan in Shanghai one of these days. They had the hottest Vietnamese girls I had ever seen when I was last there in November 2014. Even better than in Saigon!
Prices are steep. About $150/200 USD ST 2 hrs if I recall. But the girls were just amazing looking. And you can sample the goods in the club too. After you've bought the girls a drink she will engage you with a lot of heavy petting and making out in order to seal the deal and get you to take her back to the hotel. It can be a fun night our even if you don't take anyone home.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2016983]Uncle Volodya, I like Spasso and usually go there one or two times per one of my 4 to 5 week BKK visits. But it reminds me of far better 5 star hotel FL pick up bars like CJ's at the Mulia in Jakarta, where I will be heading soon, and Brix at the Hyatt in Singapore. CJ's is amazing with maybe 3 or 4 times as many girls especially on Wednesday ladies night and the weekend and the girls are younger and for the most part better looking IMHO. Brix is the classiest FL hotel pick up bar I know of featuring amazingly good looking and very expensive import talent from all over Asia and even Russia (the real Russia) LOL.[/QUOTE]The comparison between Spasso in Bangkok and the Brix in Singapore is most pertinent. I have experienced it myself, and heard it independently from other sources not on this board.
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2017041]Dear Uncle,
Conclusion: When it goes well at the I-Bar, it is as good as Spasso. At Spasso you pay extra because the girls are more worried about bad feedback. And theys dress nicer. And they speak better English. And they are smarter. But these are just details.[/QUOTE]Thanks Eric. Yes it is like comparing Apples and Oranges in many ways. But what I really meant to ask was about the girls' looks. I found Spasso girls to be a tad too old and not as slim. And it was very dark in there. I was talking to one black girl and I swear I couldn't even make out her features.
It takes some work to sort out the wheat form the chaff at Ibar for sure. But I've found that if you invest some time and patience you can really find some great girls with nice personality and very GFE. My MO for my trip (which last form 10 to 30 days) is to find a girl or two at Ibar that will be my steady (ies) during the trip (and maybe meet up with her next trip as well) while still playing the field and looking for the next good thing. 555.
For may I have two steadies lined up: an absolute doll that I will hang out with in BKK for a few days (she lives there and she's more of a semi pro) and a hot 30 year old FL that is based in Pattaya. I met both at Ibar / Insomnia. I will also play the field a bit at Spasso, Ibar, Gogos, Soi 6, etc when I can get away form these two lovelies.
Wheels up in 28 days and I am already salivating!
After going through Syz's recommendation went to mango for Prae but she is not working today. Went back to Sw and took Bonus. She has a very good figure, slim and in complete shape according to my taste, good GFE, DFK, rimming and BBBJ, overall satisfied. She has no baby and only 22 from Issan. Tan skin and good in bed, if you want Prae she is not for you. I was not expecting good figure, good attitude and reasonable good service today, but got it. Tipped her to which she was happy. She said sky is closed for a while because of the illness of the bosses sister or so and guitar is also at Sw now. I can recommend her if looking for GFE with a petite tan young girl without baby. Next will be some soapy, report coming soon.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2017047]Thanks Eric. Yes it is like comparing Apples and Oranges in many ways. But what I really meant to ask was about the girls' looks. I found Spasso girls to be a tad too old and not as slim. And it was very dark in there. I was talking to one black girl and I swear I couldn't even make out her features.[/QUOTE]I've had mixed reports about looks at Spasso. Some of my friends said they came out with a stunner. Probably if you go all around the bar looking at every single girl and figuring out which one is the best looker she's going to be quite hot. That's not quite what I did. But maybe I should, and maybe I could, because they're all advertising themselves for rent. The average is good but to find a stunner needs a bit of working the crowd.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2017047]It takes some work to sort out the wheat form the chaff at Ibar for sure. But I've found that if you invest some time and patience you can really find some great girls with nice personality and very GFE. My MO for my trip (which last form 10 to 30 days) is to find a girl or two at Ibar that will be my steady (ies) during the trip (and maybe meet up with her next trip as well) while still playing the field and looking for the next good thing. 555.
For may I have two steadies lined up: an absolute doll that I will hang out with in BKK for a few days (she lives there and she's more of a semi pro) and a hot 30 year old FL that is based in Pattaya. I met both at Ibar / Insomnia. I will also play the field a bit at Spasso, Ibar, Gogos, Soi 6, etc when I can get away form these two lovelies.
stunner.
Wheels up in 28 days and I am already salivating![/QUOTE]If you want to invest time and patience to sort out the wheat from the chaff, then Climax is much better than Spasso. There are even normal girls there, and girls that can fall in love with you (and you with them) for a week. If you like the Ibar in Pattaya, then Climax post 2 am is the best BKK equivalent IMHO.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2017029]Let's give it up for Eric Swiss. Best comment I have seen all week.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mate. Now let's just list what Working Girls have a mllimetric eye for? I'll start with the thickness of our wallet. But everybody feel free to chime in!
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2017058]I've had mixed reports about looks at Spasso. Some of my friends said they came out with a stunner. Probably if you go all around the bar looking at every single girl and figuring out which one is the best looker she's going to be quite hot. That's not quite what I did. But maybe I should, and maybe I could, because they're all advertising themselves for rent. The average is good but to find a stunner needs a bit of working the crowd.
If you want to invest time and patience to sort out the wheat from the chaff, then Climax is much better than Spasso. There are even normal girls there, and girls that can fall in love with you (and you with them) for a week. If you like the Ibar in Pattaya, then Climax post 2 am is the best BKK equivalent IMHO.[/QUOTE]My late 2016 - 7 Day Bangkok Trip revolved around me going to Lord's MP, Climax, Gogo's Soi Cowboy, and on 2 occasions Spasso. In my opinion the 2 best looking from the 7 days holiday were from Spasso.
Could be just luck, but the place just seems to suit my tastes and requirements more often than not. Both the Spasso girls, one Viet and one Thai cost 5000 TB overnight. Which considering there quality looks I felt was very reasonable.
In fact the Thai girl was so hot in my eyes, a true 9/10 . I met her the last 3 nights of my holiday, she was a complete delight. Beautiful Hair, Skin, Face, Body and spoke excellent english.
Actually, now I think about it, I need to get my arse back to Thailand ASAP. LOL.
I just arrived in Bangkok. After an endless wait at immigration I managed to get to my hotel near Nana at 10 pm, just the right time for hunting. Too tired for a nightclub today so I went to soi 4 to get a quick fuck. I couldn't wait as my last visit was already six months ago. Sat down in the stumble in bar right across the street at the Nana hotel sign to take a look at the waiting freelancers. Just when my drink came I spotted a really sexy girl, so I hurried up but I was not fast enough, she got taken within 5 minutes. However a few minutes later I spotted another nice girl, very slim and cute, maybe an 8, and this time I was quick enough. I wasn't in the mood for bargaining so I accepted her 1.5 k offer and off we went.
When she took off her clothes in the hotel I was pretty happy with my choice, great body despite some slight baby damage. Her english was not very good, so the communication was quite limited. She said she was 23 and from Udon Thani but that was about it with the small talk. She started with a blowjob, not bad but not great either. Then I told her to ride me cowgirl-style, which she did. Seeing her great body made me cum pretty quickly, so I offered her a 500 thb tip for a second shot. She accepted, maybe she thought the second shot will be as quick as the first one. Well, not quite. So I banged her for half an hour in different positions. She was so-la-la, not a starfish but not that enthusiastic either. However it was a nice fuck. After she left I went for food and on my way back to the hotel I have seen her at the car-park sign again, looking for another customer. Would I repeat? No, for this the performance just wasn't good enough. There are just too many other pretty girls in Bangkok.
So I am going to sleep now, I have to be fit tomorrow because I already have an appointment with an escort girl tomorrow afternoon. Will report.
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2017061]Thanks Mate. Now let's just list what Working Girls have a mllimetric eye for? I'll start with the thickness of our wallet. But everybody feel free to chime in![/QUOTE]These may be just details, but I do think girls have an eye for men who can't hold their drinks, men who might be abusive and violent, men who might refuse to pay after the deed, etc. But the most important measure is expertly listed by you.
A girl from iBar once told me a story. She left the bar with a guy who promised her 3000 LT. They ducked into a restaurant to eat. The dude apparently called food for himself and left the girl to make her choice. After eating, he simply sprung cash for his own meal and asked the girl to pay up for hers. She paid and simply left without any further discussion. Always wonder where do such low lives come from?
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2016983]CJ's is amazing with maybe 3 or 4 times as many girls especially on Wednesday ladies night and the weekend and the girls are younger and for the most part better looking IMHO. [/QUOTE]Depends on the night. I was there last Saturday night and it was an absolute sausage fest. The guys outnumbered the girls 4 to 1. I left and went elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2016425]If you like gogo bars at all, I would suggest Billboard (Nana Plaza), for cute little natural tit topless girls in the sudsy bath, also try its sister bar Butterflies (was Jailbirdz), and the Crazy House bar in Soi 23 very near to Cowboy for totally nude spinners (lots of bare pussy to see). My favourite little girl there would be sexy tan skinned Jane No. 4 only just over 40 kilos, or maybe less. Did not weigh her. LOL Great on the bed with rimming, but very small tits though.
You specs only vary from mine in that I take taller girls as well, being a relatively tall guy.
Enjoy! These places should be exciting for you, and the most relevant bars.
Are there any massage places full of spinners? I doubt it. Nothing comes to mind immediately.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info!
Fortunately I have a finely calibrated eye so tape measures and scales are not needed. I usually recognize what I am looking at before I am aware that I am looking at it. LOL My eyes just find them.
Friday night was quite good. I found a slender girl with a very pretty face. She was Laotian and very accommodating, very sweet and attentive. Great BJ, anal and CIM. So last night was a scouting night.
I checked out Billboard and found one so tiny that I could almost get my hands around her waist. Great firm little body but didn't quite pass the face test.
I ventured on to Crazy House. On the first floor all of the girls were above the height specification but a few had firm little bodies so I bought them a drink to chat and have a feel. All of the spinners it seems we're on the second floor but none passed the 'looks' spec. I will have to look again for No 4.
I headed up the stairs to the 3rd floor and one of the employees yelled something at me, I presumed not to go up there. As I was coming back down I noticed an unwrapped but unused condom on a stair step. So what happens on the 3rd floor now? I can only guess.
I met a guy from Japan at CH. He did not believe me that I live in China. Guess I don't look the part. LOL.
I ran into him again out on the street when I was headed back to my hotel. He was headed to Thermae and told me he had not been there before so I showed him where it was and gave him the tour and showed him the ropes. He found a girl to his liking and headed off. We exchanged WeChat info I expect to receive a report from him.
In Pat Pong last night. Just 10.40 PM checked out Black Pagoda on 3rd floor. It is a small club. Seems very small compared to passage way to get there.
I lasted in there standing for about 10 to 15 seconds. Girls overly covered wearing shirts and faces not very pretty at all. Very disappointing. I was expecting a lot more. I believe they used to have some hotties. Not any more or they all left early.
Had a quick look in Star of light. Dingy grimy walls club very small. However girls mostly too fat. No spinners in sight. One girl possibly acceptable body size and face. Prices are 700 BBBJ and 1 K for sex in the bar. Did not ask BF. Lady drink 150. My drink cheaper. If take FS option probably won't get more than 20 minutes, unless take away to ST hotel but for take away I would rather have a slim pretty girl. So no girl was really making me desperate to get her knickers off.
The highlight of the evening was King's Castle 2 downstairs with mix of Coyote and gogo girls but hard to tell the difference. All rather over dressed with multi layers covering tits. No much silicone detected. Met with a fellow ISG buddy there who already had picked a girl out.
BFs start at 800 and have 4 levels up to girls from modelling agency could have BF of 1800. Ouch. For my taste the 800 girls are probably just as good. Several quite pretty faces making the standard quite comparible to Twisters.
One girl especially appealed looking like a young Barbara Bach with reddish hair but small tits. Lovely legs and ass and tiny cute natural nose. Northern Thailand girl.
Called her for a drink. After told her my name she remembered me. I BFed her once for a really good time in Twisters. Today was her first day in KC2. I still have her LINE contact. Her look had changed slightly with different colour hair but my taste was consistent to pick her out of the group a 2nd time. Most bars in Pat Pong have been disappointing, however I could return here, especially for this girl who makes a passionate GFE and is very pretty for my taste.
I still slightly prefer Twisters in Nana as girls are less covered up relatively although not nude. Standard of looks in Twisters overall maybe slightly higher. Hard to be sure with just the one visit here. Its good to find another option.
[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2017103]My late 2016 - 7 Day Bangkok Trip revolved around me going to Lord's MP, Climax, Gogo's Soi Cowboy, and on 2 occasions Spasso. In my opinion the 2 best looking from the 7 days holiday were from Spasso.
Could be just luck, but the place just seems to suit my tastes and requirements more often than not. Both the Spasso girls, one Viet and one Thai cost 5000 TB overnight. Which considering there quality looks I felt was very reasonable.
In fact the Thai girl was so hot in my eyes, a true 9/10 . I met her the last 3 nights of my holiday, she was a complete delight. Beautiful Hair, Skin, Face, Body and spoke excellent english.
Actually, now I think about it, I need to get my arse back to Thailand ASAP. LOL.[/QUOTE]Would tend to agree with Spasso having good lookers and they float over to Mixx if no punter buys. I found Mixx had just as many lookers there. Cost can be tricky but 5 k for a looker with a good body who also stays for a morning session is good.
Climax has been a good hunting ground also, although just having come back for Pattaya and visiting iBar, I think ibar has better talent and more of it.
Of course beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.
Happy Hunting.
Thank you very much. Absolutely fantastic help. Appreciate it.
Yes, this would suite me. I will try to handle at least 4 if not 5. I understand the risk with CL.
Waiting for some good fun in BKK.
I would appreciate if you can refer me some good soapies in Soi 7/1 or Soi 2.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2016935]After your business tour, here is how you can spend your remaining extra 2 days as you stated.
I understand the way you are thinking but you may run into a few surprises by booking ladies from CL. They can be unreliable and dodgy at times. If you want a good itinerary, I would suggest something like the following:
Morning: sometime between 11:00-13:00 visit an oily for a 2 hour session.
Afternoon: After grab a good lunch to recharge your batteries and head to a Sopie massage or Nuru on Ratchada, Soi 7/1, or Soi 2.
Evening: Have a good dinner again to recharge your batteries a second time and then head over to Nana Plaza. Visit one of the many go go bars and choose a lady for some ST Action in one of the ST hotels nearby.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2017021]Count on my discretion, I won't tell Nina that you just put her in the same class as a black streetwalker.
Good summary, I could not have said it any better. This is the correct comparison.
Not really. You don't pay extra just for looks. You pay for testing the chemistry, reviewing as many girls as you want, a classy dress, her commitment to please, and her lack of jadedness.
Climax is better value-for-money ratio than Spasso, but it's also more work, and I'm a lazy bastard. I like shooting fish in a barrel. I would have gone to Climax, but it was just too early.
Yes there is, but compared to the danger that the girl from the go-go bar will be a starfish, this is more manageable.
Experienced mongers have X-ray eyes that detect the bra padding, the body-mass index, and the hip-to-weight ratio with near-millimetric accuracy. And there's plenty of light at Spasso, unlike some of the other venues. There's a reason why: Spasso like to keep up the quality - otherwise it's just way too easy for the least scrupulous girls to game the system. I've seen this happen in other countries and eventually the place just dies down.[/QUOTE]I don't see it as a positive when a hooker grabs my arm. O.k. At least means she is not avoiding me. I like to be the one choosing. Prefer shyer girls.
I probably don't have the xray eyes. I find it very hard to tell how good heavily covered tits are without touching. Coyote girl tits are always a bit mystery. Which is why I hardly take them.
I used to get star fish in bars sometimes, but very few lately since I guess my girl evaluation skills have improved. Key is not to pull the trigger too fast.
There is the danger of dick scared girls, in bars and even more so in Soapies because they are too used to Thai customers. I guess this should be less of a danger if most Spasso customers are Farangs? Is that the case or are there a lot of Japanese and Korean customers?
I have learned to choose a type of girl unlikely to be chosen by the Asian customers. They usually are accustomed to and like Farangs. Even can find some girls willing to say they like dick a lot. Not every pussy feels as great for me. That is somewhat luck, just how nice the fit is. However a relaxed girl really into it helps a lot.
So I gather you are saying the performance success rate in Spasso is very high. For my case, I am always willing to repeat another time if a girl was good enough. No repeat means she wasn't quite good enough or value for money.
I have not had any no repeat bargirls recently, indicating I must be getting a bit lucky for the relatively few new ones tried ir very extended selection process helps. I have had some no repeat MP girls in last year or so though. Chosen quickly is the likely problem without opportunity to check chemistry.
Freelancers tried from Thermae or the street have all been disappointing to soso bar one girl. So only one repeated. So for me, freelancers maybe the cheapest option but least likely to repeat.
I can see a club like Spasso is a much better option than blindly taking an escort. I just need to borrow your xray glasses to check out the tits and ass properly or hope the dress is scanty and revealing.
Occasionally a girl that I meet on WeChat and want to meet will ask me the name of the hotel I am staying in as well as the room number and my name. What's up with this? Is it a scam?
Thanks,
Steve.
Thank you Pearl for your help. Yeah, I am also getting similar views on CL. Will try to avoid that.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2016623]I would be reluctant to trust CL ads for P4P.
I'd suggest rather an escort option based on the reviews in the ISG escort thread.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Axiata;2017339]Would tend to agree with Spasso having good lookers and they float over to Mixx if no punter buys. I found Mixx had just as many lookers there. Cost can be tricky but 5 k for a looker with a good body who also stays for a morning session is good.
Climax has been a good hunting ground also, although just having come back for Pattaya and visiting iBar, I think ibar has better talent and more of it.
Of course beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.
Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]That has been my general impression too RE: Spasso vs Mixx and Ibar.
[QUOTE=SteveOak;2017363]Occasionally a girl that I meet on WeChat and want to meet will ask me the name of the hotel I am staying in as well as the room number and my name. What's up with this? Is it a scam?
Thanks,
Steve.[/QUOTE]Its not a scam. Usually girls who want to meet will ask info about the hotel and room number and the name under which the room is booked. They ring up the hotel and talk to you just to confirm that someone is not playing games with her. Whenever I fix a meeting with a girl after chatting up on the net, quite a few girls ring up and talk to me before starting from their place to come and meet me. Maybe they have bad experiences in the past. There are a lot of weird guys around.
A prime function of girls in a gogo bar is to sell drinks. A girl typically gets about 50 Baht commission from a drink maybe slightly more in some bars. If a lady drink is high like 200 Baht in some bars, the girl still may only receive 50 Baht.
In some bars ping pong balls are sold to customers. Ladies catching balls gets half ball fee and house gets half.
Interestingly in Kings Castle 2, Pat Pong, it seemed like there is no salary and girls get 600 Baht per night for dancing. Some higher level may get more. The most effective way to get money to a girl rather than the house is a cash tip, however girls are expected to sell a reasonable number of drinks.
In Crazy House and other bars, sometimes a girl will ask to be barfined in order to go home early. This maybe a story since I don't understand why the girl showed up at all if she did not want to work. Having been barfined ostensibly to go home, the girl probably in fact does something else, like keep working or party with friends or even possible go meet some guy who doesn't want to pay a barfine. I am just speculating here, since I don't really understand what makes the most sense. So far no girl has let me in on all the devious secrets in relation to this one. However I am not too trusting rather suspicious. If I believed the girl was genuinely sick or lacking sleep, maybe she would go home.
[QUOTE=SteveOak;2017363]Occasionally a girl that I meet on WeChat and want to meet will ask me the name of the hotel I am staying in as well as the room number and my name. What's up with this? Is it a scam?
Thanks,
Steve.[/QUOTE]50% of the time, it is a scam. They will bring a fake policemen to extort money from you. The other half of the time, they only want to confirm your location so they don't waste time travelling for nothing. Whenever I make a plan with a we chat girl, I always insist to meet up in a bar, restaurant, or shopping mall. Then we go back to my room together. If the lady refuses this, then I know it is a scam. Other red flags from we chat girls are asking for deposits upfront or even insisting to be paid upfront in your room. Never do this this. The most you should do is put the agreed upon amount on the table in plain site so the lady knows you have the money, but never hand it over until the agreed upon session is complete. In my experience, I have never had a good session with any lady who has asked to be paid upfront. Even if they agree for me to leave the money on the table or even if they agree to accept the money after the session is finished. Now I make it my rule that if any lady asks me for any money upfront, I send her packing with taxi money and head back out to find a different girl. I'd honestly rather decline a bad session than waste my money on a bad encounter.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2017534]In Crazy House and other bars, sometimes a girl will ask to be barfined in order to go home early. This maybe a story since I don't understand why the girl showed up at all if she did not want to work. Having been barfined ostensibly to go home, [/QUOTE]Unless CH works differently than any gogo bar I know a girl needs to pay her own barfine if she doesn't show up for work when she is on schedule. In some other bars the BF fee goes against their drink quota.
[QUOTE=SteveOak;2017363]Occasionally a girl that I meet on WeChat and want to meet will ask me the name of the hotel I am staying in as well as the room number and my name. What's up with this? Is it a scam?
Thanks,
Steve.[/QUOTE]Wechat girls can be freelancers, massage girls, scam artists, girls trying to meet a friend to hang out with, or a girl looking for a sugar daddy. I've used a 3-part screening before going to my hotel. First, ask if they are a ladyboy. Second, move to video chat. Third, meet in a public location. A surprising number fail the first screening. I had one refuse video chat, so I assumed either fake pictures or another scam. I would never give my real name or hotel room number to a wechat girl before meeting her.
In my limited 3-week Thailand visit I had good success with wechat, one girl being the best of the trip.
I searched on for a bona (er) fide spinner. This landed me at Butterfly. There were two shifts of girls for the stages, about 10 for each of the two stages going so 40 or so girls dancing. There were only about 20 guys so it worked pretty well, except that there was only one girl I considered attractive (4' 10", 80 lbs, great ass) but she already had an admirer. #232 I think, if you are interested. I didn't see another girl in the place that was even a 6.
After her shift on stage she went right to him, talked for a bit and then did some bumping and grinding. Half way through her next shift on stage he waved good by and left. Go figure.
We had been making eye contact so when she got off stage she drifted my way and when she looked at me I waved her in. She glided over and curled up next to me like she had been with me for years. I too less than a minute for her to start fondling me. Very nice.
I bought her two drinks before she went back on stage. When she finished the second shift she came straight back and wrapped herself around me. We talked shop for a minute. She asked for 3,000. A bit high for a Sunday night but not out of line. I tend to either be pretty much accepting of their number, unless it is out of line, and negotiate the extras I like.
I do have one proclivity that I can usually find a girl to accommodate but she would not. She kept trying to get me to find her out and I kept trying to get to to accommodate me but it was just not going to happen. Next time she was I stage, I waved goodbye and left.
I wandered down Sukhumvit and into Thermae, my backup spot. If I haven't found a girl somewhere else I can usually find a girl there that meets my minimum standards for looks and will accommodate me as well. It was a pretty good night as only 2 girls refused to talk to me, 7 quoted me a price for short time but non would accommodate me. I was hitting only ones that were very good or better so that is about average.
I was about to make another round when everyone started scrambling for the door like a fire drill. First a wave toward the back door, then another wave toward the front door. I fell in and joined the evacuation. Never did find out why it happened but I was not going to stick around and get caught in something. I am sure someone here will hear that scoop and post it.
As luck would have it the girl on the step in front of me was still shorter than me, even though she was on the next step. I followed her and her friend to the sidewalk. When it looked though there was no danger from a raid or something, I said Hello, and asked for a price. She quoted 2,500 and was agreeable to accommodating me. Nice!
For those wondering how good my eyeball scale is, I weighed her in the hotel room. 40.12 kilos. I will try harder next time. LOL And she was under 1.5 meters tall too.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2017541]Unless CH works differently than any gogo bar I know a girl needs to pay her own barfine if she doesn't show up for work when she is on schedule. In some other bars the BF fee goes against their drink quota.[/QUOTE]Yes if girl is on monthly salary and works regularly this applies. Some girls hardly have showed up and have lost their monthly salary if they ever had one.
While this is perhaps one of the least-shaky videos from inside Thermae, I'm not much of a fan of this particular auteur, and his penchant for videotaping our negotiations to put up for all the world to see.
But at about 4:30 to 5:20 (best shot at 4:46) good memories are conjured up. She's in cutoff jeans, striped low-cut shirt (the one toward the right, on the left side of the room). Lovely smile, delicious girl who was eager to please. (I had picked her up outside Thermae after 3 am) If you should encounter, do enjoy, be extra nice to her.
And, yes, she does farang.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NczOig0hcM[/URL]
[QUOTE=WildHawk;2017679]While this is perhaps one of the least-shaky videos from inside Thermae, I'm not much of a fan of this particular auteur, and his penchant for videotaping our negotiations to put up for all the world to see.
But at about 4:30 to 5:20 (best shot at 4:46) good memories are conjured up. She's in cutoff jeans, striped low-cut shirt (the one toward the right, on the left side of the room). Lovely smile, delicious girl who was eager to please. (I had picked her up outside Thermae after 3 am) If you should encounter, do enjoy, be extra nice to her.
And, yes, she does farang.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NczOig0hcM[/URL][/QUOTE]It does show tha variation between girls dressed to show their figure and those dressed to hide the figure completely. Cut off jeans shorts is good in this situation.
The video is a bit boring of course, so just watch the first few minutes is enough. Author could have editted it down to much shorter. The part I liked was the very start with girl in dress outside. I wanted to see her face better. Looked interesting maybe.
Shows mongers can be caught on film in crowded places. Danger. A girl on Soi 4 that I know well appeared in you tube in a similar way. Watch out for Asian guys (mostly) carrying anything strange that could have a hidden camera.
At least it is a video. Some guys post a video comprised of still shots, zooming in and out, with loud music. That is far too gimmicky for me.
[QUOTE=SteveOak;2017573]I searched on for a bona (er) fide spinner. This landed me at Butterfly. There were two shifts of girls for the stages, about 10 for each of the two stages going so 40 or so girls dancing. There were only about 20 guys so it worked pretty well, except that there was only one girl I considered attractive (4' 10", 80 lbs, great ass) but she already had an admirer. #232 I think, if you are interested. I didn't see another girl in the place that was even a 6.
After her shift on stage she went right to him, talked for a bit and then did some bumping and grinding. Half way through her next shift on stage he waved good by and left. Go figure.
We had been making eye contact so when she got off stage she drifted my way and when she looked at me I waved her in. She glided over and curled up next to me like she had been with me for years. I too less than a minute for her to start fondling me. Very nice.
I bought her two drinks before she went back on stage. When she finished the second shift she came straight back and wrapped herself around me. We talked shop for a minute. She asked for 3,000. A bit high for a Sunday night but not out of line. I tend to either be pretty much accepting of their number, unless it is out of line, and negotiate the extras I like.
I do have one proclivity that I can usually find a girl to accommodate but she would not. She kept trying to get me to find her out and I kept trying to get to to accommodate me but it was just not going to happen. Next time she was I stage, I waved goodbye and left.
I wandered down Sukhumvit and into Thermae, my backup spot. If I haven't found a girl somewhere else I can usually find a girl there that meets my minimum standards for looks and will accommodate me as well. It was a pretty good night as only 2 girls refused to talk to me, 7 quoted me a price for short time but non would accommodate me. I was hitting only ones that were very good or better so that is about average.
I was about to make another round when everyone started scrambling for the door like a fire drill. First a wave toward the back door, then another wave toward the front door. I fell in and joined the evacuation. Never did find out why it happened but I was not going to stick around and get caught in something. I am sure someone here will hear that scoop and post it.
As luck would have it the girl on the step in front of me was still shorter than me, even though she was on the next step. I followed her and her friend to the sidewalk. When it looked though there was no danger from a raid or something, I said Hello, and asked for a price. She quoted 2,500 and was agreeable to accommodating me. Nice!
For those wondering how good my eyeball scale is, I weighed her in the hotel room. 40.12 kilos. I will try harder next time. LOL And she was under 1.5 meters tall too.[/QUOTE]What are your requirements for "accommodation?
I asked the pretty young Issan single mother girl aged 21, why she had a baby so quick. Still at school studying. Would have been 19 when pregnant.
She said, that if a girl waits till age 30, might be very difficult to have a baby. She had a baby by see section so pussy still tight but scar. Has to be hooker now to support baby, sister, and sister's baby, and schooling not finished.
Amazing mess girls get into with Thai boys that disappear. Why rhey can't sensibly use borth control is a mystery but I blame it on poor education and social values. High percenange of hookers are single mothers. Most of the rest have pimps or are drug users, I guess. Not many sensible girls just paying for education and staying out of trouble.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2017360]I don't see it as a positive when a hooker grabs my arm. O.k. At least means she is not avoiding me. I like to be the one choosing. Prefer shyer girls.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty shy myself, so if the girl is shy too, the probability that we don't end up together goes sky-high. It's more a matter of personality.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2017360]I probably don't have the xray eyes. I find it very hard to tell how good heavily covered tits are without touching. Coyote girl tits are always a bit mystery. Which is why I hardly take them.[/QUOTE]I grope and fondle quite a bit. I'm pretty tolerant about tit sizes, so my number one goal is to make sure she's not fat, and my roving hands have yet to fail me on that front.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2017360]I used to get star fish in bars sometimes, but very few lately since I guess my girl evaluation skills have improved. Key is not to pull the trigger too fast.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's definitely the key. We should have a 10-minute rule: never pull a girl out of a bar unless you've been with her at least 10 minutes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2017360]There is the danger of dick scared girls, in bars and even more so in Soapies because they are too used to Thai customers. I guess this should be less of a danger if most Spasso customers are Farangs? Is that the case or are there a lot of Japanese and Korean customers?[/QUOTE]I saw mostly Farangs at Spasso.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2017360]I can see a club like Spasso is a much better option than blindly taking an escort.[/QUOTE]I've never done escorts in Bangkok but I agree with your conclusion.
[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2017830]I'm pretty shy myself, so if the girl is shy too, the probability that we don't end up together goes sky-high. It's more a matter of personality.
Yes, that's definitely the key. We should have a 10-minute rule: never pull a girl out of a bar unless you've been with her at least 10 minutes.
[/QUOTE]I am not shy about approaching hookers. Maybe shy and about touching the tits unless I am quite sure will be welcome. I can certainly compensate for very shy girls, without aggressively scaring them too much usually. Then you try to get 2 or 3 tequilas into them, to liven them up a bit. LOL
I probably extend your 10 minute rule to 60 minutes in a gogo bar most times, unless I am scared that she is so gorgeous she will be quickly BFed by somebody else. That means normally she sits with me at least two breaks between dancing 20 min sets before I decide. Have been known to break the rule but not that often. Plenty of girls did not get BFed the first time met them, but put it off to a subsequent meeting. That is how careful I started to become about chemistry going well. If girl tries to rush me, I tend to back off.
Only certain very pretty girls have caused me to break the 60 rule at Crazy House, being Nat (also had amazing tits), Donut stunning, and May-Lee very pretty. Fortunately by luck both Nat and Donut were really good, and while May-lee was too timid first time, a few drinks rectified that the 2nd time, making her become much more passionate and into it (lucky I tried again). I may have forgotten some more unfortunate rushed choices in the past.
I went to Climaxx yesterday at about 1:30 am To have a few drinks, with the clear intention not to take a girl because I had to recover between two escort sessions on Sunday and Monday. I should have known better, never make plans when you are in Bangkok.
I had just entered the club and was waiting for the waitress to bring me my first drink as I saw a very cute girl in a belly top dancing next to me. I thought she was about 23 (turned out to be 25), maybe 40 kg with a very cute face. I would rate her a 9 BTW. I was just saying to myself "stay strong, you have other plans" when another girl (turned out to be her older sister) purposely pushed her from behind so that we crashed right into each other. The older girl knew that her sister was a little bit shy so she decided to further the cause a little bit. Due to the crash we had to talk to each other, started dancing together and I immediately knew I wasn't strong enough to stick to my plan and had to take her home. She told me her name was Noi, from Laos. I bought a few drinks for her and me and also one for her sister (2 K including tips), and we stayed until 3:30.
It turned out that she had a somewhat strange humor, when we were driving through soi 4 we saw a lot of leftover ladyboys she asked "do you like ladyboy? Because I am ladyboy". After the first shock evaporated I got she was joking (or maybe testing me), because no way that cute little thingy was a ladyboy. Back in the hotel I put on some music and she was dancing for me on the furniture, jumped from the bed to the table like a little monkey. Damn was that sexy, although I had fears she would fall as she was pretty drunk. However when she lied down on the bed (in full clothing) she fell asleep pretty quickly, so I knew that was it for the night, no shot fired. The reward came when we woke up at 11 am, very nice GFE, felt like genuine affection (or oscar-ripe acting, but I don't think so). I don't think you can buy that from a Soi 4 freelancer. She had to leave for her day job in a restaurant shortly after (which I was happy about as I already had an appointment with Bell from Bangkogoldenescort for 2 pm). Before she left I asked her about her line ID and gave her 3 K which she seemed very happy about. Will meet her again tonight for a dinner date.
Total damage was 6 K, which includes 1 K joiners fee for the goddamned hotel (see Bangkok Hotels thread), steep, but I felt it was worth it.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2017748]I asked the pretty young Issan single mother girl aged 21, why she had a baby so quick. Still at school studying. Would have been 19 when pregnant.
She said, that if a girl waits till age 30, might be very difficult to have a baby. She had a baby by see section so pussy still tight but scar. Has to be hooker now to support baby, sister, and sister's baby, and schooling not finished.
Amazing mess girls get into with Thai boys that disappear. Why rhey can't sensibly use borth control is a mystery but I blame it on poor education and social values. High percenange of hookers are single mothers. Most of the rest have pimps or are drug users, I guess. Not many sensible girls just paying for education and staying out of trouble.[/QUOTE]Seems to be a very common situation in Thailand. Working people support the whole family. Lazy people are supported by siblings and children. Stop working at young age and let children support parents and lazy relatives. From my limited exposure to Thai culture, this seems to encourage having many children at a young age. Who knows, you may have a daughter that lands a rich farang who will support the whole family?
[QUOTE=WildHawk;2017679]While this is perhaps one of the least-shaky videos from inside Thermae, I'm not much of a fan of this particular auteur, and his penchant for videotaping our negotiations to put up for all the world to see.
But at about 4:30 to 5:20 (best shot at 4:46) good memories are conjured up. She's in cutoff jeans, striped low-cut shirt (the one toward the right, on the left side of the room). Lovely smile, delicious girl who was eager to please. (I had picked her up outside Thermae after 3 am) If you should encounter, do enjoy, be extra nice to her.
And, yes, she does farang.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NczOig0hcM[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for posting because I have heard a lot about the place but have never been there. Now I know I won't bother to go there because the vast majority of the providers are just average looking at best. If the Japs, Chinks and Kinks get the cream of the crop then they can have them.
[QUOTE=RalphKramden;2017931]Thank you for posting because I have heard a lot about the place but have never been there. Now I know I won't bother to go there because the vast majority of the providers are just average looking at best. If the Japs, Chinks and Kinks get the cream of the crop then they can have them.[/QUOTE]Come now, you don't get a very fair impression of the best looking girls there, since majority of girls passed by the camera, had their heads cut off. However it is just possible that you would not really like that many girls. I usually found a pretty small number appealed and most of those were not looking for a Farang. If you like Baccara girls, you might just like Thermae too.
First up a quick look in Crazy House where none of my girls had turned up for today. Some girls are already heading out of Bangkok in preparation for Songkran coming in just over a week. One girl I know went home to Savanakhet (Laos) today.
Went to Corner Bar Soi Cowboy with live Thai band, and stayed a little longer than intended. I had intended it to be very brief and move on to Twisters. Band were so-so but I thought quite a bit better than bands I had seen at Bangkok Beat previously. Sound quality and volume was a bit more acceptable than Bangkok Beat. I really went in to visit ex Crazy House waitress Aem, who is short with bandy legs and big natural tits (not having seen them uncovered). A big drinker for a little girl. Used to look after me very well at CH.
Before too long it became apparent that she wanted me to BF her and her fat friend. LOL Yeh right. Firstly I don't do fat girls. 2nd, I was not expecting to BF anyone so had been drinking alcohol that I normally stay off.
Aem does not look ugly but has slightly funny ears and hips. Anyway there were several reasons not to fuck her. We both had more to drink than we should, she has kid (s) and I have no clue what her body will look like naked, I already had a fuck today, etc. Maybe I will reconsider another day when we are both more sober. And what if the fuck turns out to be not good for some reason, or bad mummy tummy? Today I went in there just thinking she would be a waitress and not a barfinable hostess. Probably shows I don't know this bar at all.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2017997]Come now, you don't get a very fair impression of the best looking girls there, since majority of girls passed by the camera, had their heads cut off. However it is just possible that you would not really like that many girls. I usually found a pretty small number appealed and most of those were not looking for a Farang. If you like Baccara girls, you might just like Thermae too.[/QUOTE]It is always in the eye of the beholder, but Ralph's point is fair enough; we may be heightening the image of the Thermae girls by their very selectiveness, in terms of their penchant for rejecting farang. I suspect the videographer is Caucasian by virtue of the fact that few, if any of the girls are looking in the camera's (his) direction. I did not make may way inside Thermae (again, the girl I pulled was a leftover, and discovered outside after 3 am; one of her compatriots had actually told me that she would not go with a farang, but pointed to her friend and said, "She will," and the girl was ear-to-ear smile; knowing what I know about her, I'd pick her out of the Thermae lineup in a heartbeat and she'd make a great three-day travel companion, even with her barely existent English.) Thermae does look like a nice shopping venue, or at least something to check out once. Now, the old Lisboa racetrack it ain't. *sigh* Those were the days.
[QUOTE=WildHawk;2018076]It is always in the eye of the beholder, but Ralph's point is fair enough; we may be heightening the image of the Thermae girls by their very selectiveness, in terms of their penchant for rejecting farang. I suspect the videographer is Caucasian by virtue of the fact that few, if any of the girls are looking in the camera's (his) direction. I did not make may way inside Thermae (again, the girl I pulled was a leftover, and discovered outside after 3 am; one of her compatriots had actually told me that she would not go with a farang, but pointed to her friend and said, "She will," and the girl was ear-to-ear smile; knowing what I know about her, I'd pick her out of the Thermae lineup in a heartbeat and she'd make a great three-day travel companion, even with her barely existent English.) Thermae does look like a nice shopping venue, or at least something to check out once. Now, the old Lisboa racetrack it ain't. *sigh* Those were the days.[/QUOTE]While you were willing to take a left over girl who in turn was willing to do a Farang, many of us don't work that way. I tend to survey the entire room quickly and then only speak to the most appealing girl. There is only so many times I will get told she is waiting for someone else or does not take Farangs or has a surcharge for Farangs before I give it away, rather than go to a girl giving the right signals.
I have taken two girls in recent times. Both were no repeat type girls for one reason or another. One did not kiss the other had silicones and some other problem.
In the end I decided that the hunt for a fabulous girl was too difficult. I can find girls that are the right look for me and giving more passionate GFE elsewhere.
The other problem is I take too much time to evaluate looks and chemistry. You have little time to make a decision in the Thermae. The best lookers get grabbed by Japanese very fast, usually right before I decide to approach a girl. I was often a fraction too slow taking too long to decide which girl I like.
The mediocre girls can stand there and be available for a very long time.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2018198]While you were willing to take a left over girl who in turn was willing to do a Farang, many of us don't work that way. ....The mediocre girls can stand there and be available for a very long time.[/QUOTE]Perhaps in the exchange I didn't quite hit the correct note, dear esteemed Leader (and I follow your posts). There was nothing to the concept of accepting "a leftover. " I stumbled across the girl, having exhausted Soi Cowboy with the lights turned up on me. Whether the girl was a "leftover" or not (who knows, she may have had serviced 20 3-3-3 Japs previously that day. Numerically possible owing to the quickness of the lads of that once kingdom) is immaterial My point is that not all of these girls are inaccessible. Thermae, inside, outside, sideways or otherwise, I was pleased with her looks, the way she carried herself at the buffet line at the breakfast, and most importantly, in bed *5 star*. Merely trying to point out that one must not fear that Thermae is nothing but a Japtrap. There is hope for us all. Mediocre? Not at all. Not even close.
[QUOTE=WildHawk;2018244]Perhaps in the exchange I didn't quite hit the correct note. There was nothing to the concept of accepting "a leftover. " I stumbled across the girl, having exhausted Soi Cowboy with the lights turned up on me. Merely trying to point out that one must not fear that Thermae is nothing but a Japtrap. There is hope for us all. Mediocre? Not at all. Not even close.[/QUOTE]Okay I may have made the wrong assumption, re her standing outside at 3 am. However it was based on your own text:
"again, the girl I pulled was a leftover, and discovered outside after 3 am; one of her compatriots had actually told me that she would not go with a Farang, but pointed to her friend and said, She will, and the girl was ear-to-ear smile. ".
I have taken girls outside the Thermae myself in the far past, and had them turn out very well. They might not have been quite the Japanese spec. In the video, the one girl that tweaked my interest was the one at the very start outside in the light pink dress, although the video was not showing her face too clearly, so I may have lost interest if I met her.
I do accept that Thermae is not just a JapTrap. However it is probably not the best hunting ground for myself, given my reluctance to pull the trigger on new untried girls that may or may not give a great GFE.
Your girl was probably not my spec that I would quickly select, so I won't chase after her in a hurry. Not important. That she turned out great for you, is the important bit. It is possible to get great girls in Thermae. I just have found it difficult for me, recently. It then comes to a question of how much time and money I want to waste there on non selections or wrong selections. I have a list of girls I like to use on my LINE App. Much easier and performance is known.
The total number of different girls I have fucked in Thailand this year is relatively low, and total number tried for first time, is only like two or three, that I can think of. So I am doing 90%+ repeats. Very boring for some but okay For me. I don't have the same thirst as others to be always trying a new girl. This generally means that only girls I see as "must do" girls, or girls known for a while but not yet fucked, will get tried for first time, unless I am desperate for a fuck (can happen).
Crazy House last night had none of my preferred girls. My buddy had his regular girls there. No problem, I can just move on, unfucked. That is what usually happens at Thermae for me this year. I just move on unfucked. Frequency of visits declines. I just did not get the success to keep me keen.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2018248]The total number of different girls I have fucked in Thailand this year is relatively low, and total number tried for first time, is only like two or three, that I can think of. So I am doing 90%+ repeats. Very boring for some but okay For me. I don't have the same thirst as others to be always trying a new girl. This generally means that only girls I see as "must do" girls, or girls known for a while but not yet fucked, will get tried for first time, unless I am desperate for a fuck (can happen)..[/QUOTE]I hear you and feel and share your pain. The p4 p scene is just not that good these days. I partake about every two to three weeks these days. And usually it is either a compromise with looks or performance. As I get older I am less willing to compromise on either, so I only tend to go for a sesh when I am really horned up. Even then most times I come away from the event thinking that I could have had a wank and saved the money.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2018339]I hear you and feel and share your pain. The p4 p scene is just not that good these days. I partake about every two to three weeks these days. And usually it is either a compromise with looks or performance. As I get older I am less willing to compromise on either, so I only tend to go for a sesh when I am really horned up. Even then most times I come away from the event thinking that I could have had a wank and saved the money.[/QUOTE]For guys that lack sensitivity and difficult to cum, wanking is really bad for us, should be kept to a minimum and even then only very light touch and short duration. Otherwise it only damages my sensitivity to nice pussy. No sex yesterday, nearly had a wank but managed to resist. Could have opened an XEROTICA tame porn video, but did not. If I can stay right off sex for a couple of days, then get with a really good girl, can be an extra explosive experience, way better than a wank.
Just realised I distorted the truth badly. No fuck yesterday evening would be correct. Yesterday morning woke up next to my favourite and had a wonderful fuck before breakfast. Best time for it. She is good enough to make a lot of other girls seem ordinary to boring. Soon her BF arrives in Bangkok so I have to do other things for a while.
I do understand though. Most non repeat girls are little better than a wank.
Fortunately there are some budget girls around better than a wank. Received a hint on LINE today from a street walker that she is working tonight (and has the hots for me ha ha). Usually means she has not been working for a few days. She typically gets 3 pops these days with me in 90 minutes as well as the money. Would be nice if WE could get a few pops and get paid for it as well. LOL. Hookers never enjoy the sex. Ha ha. Never believe that! Yet the first time went with her it was probably well under an hour no real GFE, and no pops for her. Chemistry can build over time.
Bars girls are expensive so only did repeat girls known to be good this year that I can recall, so far. Twisters certainly has a few prospects I would like to try. Tried three new MP girls. Only Prae was completely satisfactory for the service and compatibility. Another very pretty face girl was acceptable. The 3rd, Wawa at Club 102 was lacking something as well as lacking looks. No repeat. Mostly just doing girls in my LINE contacts that are still contactable. Alas Knot at Suzi Wong seems to have quit hooking and is selling in a store, the mamasan told me. Was always a horny girl on the bed so miss her. Maybe her sister is still there. Probably did not do a single Soapy girl for the year.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2018339]I hear you and feel and share your pain. The p4 p scene is just not that good these days. I partake about every two to three weeks these days. And usually it is either a compromise with looks or performance. As I get older I am less willing to compromise on either, so I only tend to go for a sesh when I am really horned up. Even then most times I come away from the event thinking that I could have had a wank and saved the money.[/QUOTE]Agree as well. Of course I have hunted like mad in the first time including the first years of residency here in thailand. But we know all, first fuck is usually not that good, chemistry not yet builded up. Not care how good she may look. In these days I am not willing to do anymore compromises, and from time to time I let this the girl feel very well. This is even not really needed most times, as you have other goals, your entire behavior and body language changes and most will get it without to hinting it out. Now I tend to go along with girls I know since a while, and even there only with the best couple ones. I have a tier 2 group, which I take from time to time. But if there performance does not improve, she will be put back to tier 2 or even farther. Most of the girls gets the point and either increases their performance or leave me alone. Just popping up from time to time. Most time early morning hours when they are mad drunk already haha. When timing allows, I might try her for another time. And if she was in the mood and the performance astronomical high I will tell her. Babe, that was cool. Keep it up like that and I will take you more often!
It sounds harsh to some of you. It even sounds harsh to my 15 year younger myself. But honesty is most time appreciated and gives a good guideline for girls, which are usually quiet lost without such a line. Hell, I'm eager and able to provide a good time for the girls, including dinners and parties at the best places which this city can provide with a guy with manners and behaviours. If you want to be into this game, gear up your stuff and deliver some by your own!
It is funny how things changes within a year or two. Two years ago my favorite spot was Cowboy, but now in these days it's simply not much fun anymore for me. Crazy House? Yeah, have visited it numerous times until I lost interest in it. Why? I am myself unsure. To loud, to crazy, to much drink hustling, to unfriendly mamasans and only a couple good lookers, which are usually way overbooked. Tilac is since 25 years my house bar. Because of that I still frequent this place quite often as I know almost every soul in there. Shark was usually a good place for me until I lost interest too. I might retry as I heard voices that things got better again. Baccara was never my place, the outfit and lightnings of the girls did not improve the sexual appeal on them IMHO. Dollhouse was sometimes worth a good party or two. Rest of Cowboy I simply skipped for a number of years.
Currently Nana rocks for me. Billboard and Twisters had a good fight to be number 1 at Nana. In my eyes Billboard has won it now. Twisters just lost a number of good looking girls, they have lost even a couple one to Soi Thanya. On the other side Billboard has improved. Loads of cuties working in there, and it's the only place where GoGo girls and Coyote girls are same priced. Barfine for both classes are 700 Baht. So if you are out for a young and gorgeous coyote girl which not makes big fuss, that's the place.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2018347]For guys that lack sensitivity and difficult to cum, wanking is really bad for us, should be kept to a minimum and even then only very light touch and short duration. Otherwise it only damages my sensitivity to nice pussy. No sex yesterday, nearly had a wank but managed to resist. Could have opened an XEROTICA tame porn video, but did not. If I can stay right off sex for a couple of days, then get with a really good girl, can be an extra explosive experience, way better than a wank.
Just realised I distorted the truth badly. No fuck yesterday evening would be correct. Yesterday morning woke up next to my favourite and had a wonderful fuck before breakfast. Best time for it. She is good enough to make a lot of other girls seem ordinary to boring. Soon her BF arrives in Bangkok so I have to do other things for a while.
I do understand though. Most non repeat girls are little better than a wank.
Fortunately there are some budget girls around better than a wank. Received a hint on LINE today from a street walker that she is working tonight (and has the hots for me ha ha). Usually means she has not been working for a few days. She typically gets 3 pops these days with me in 90 minutes as well as the money. Would be nice if WE could get a few pops and get paid for it as well. LOL. Hookers never enjoy the sex. Ha ha. Never believe that! Yet the first time went with her it was probably well under an hour no real GFE, and no pops for her. Chemistry can build over time.
Bars girls are expensive so only did repeat girls known to be good this year that I can recall, so far. Twisters certainly has a few prospects I would like to try. Tried three new MP girls. Only Prae was completely satisfactory for the service and compatibility. Another very pretty face girl was acceptable. The 3rd, Wawa at Club 102 was lacking something as well as lacking looks. No repeat. Mostly just doing girls in my LINE contacts that are still contactable. Alas Knot at Suzi Wong seems to have quit hooking and is selling in a store, the mamasan told me. Was always a horny girl on the bed so miss her. Maybe her sister is still there. Probably did not do a single Soapy girl for the year.[/QUOTE]Living the life! Keep on trucking my friend!
And stay horny!
Uncle-V.
[QUOTE=KhaoLao;2018687]It is funny how things changes within a year or two. Two years ago my favorite spot was Cowboy, but now in these days it's simply not much fun anymore for me. Crazy House? Yeah, have visited it numerous times until I lost interest in it. Why? I am myself unsure. To loud, to crazy, to much drink hustling, to unfriendly mamasans and only a couple good lookers, which are usually way overbooked. Tilac is since 25 years my house bar. Because of that I still frequent this place quite often as I know almost every soul in there. Shark was usually a good place for me until I lost interest too. I might retry as I heard voices that things got better again. Baccara was never my place, the outfit and lightnings of the girls did not improve the sexual appeal on them IMHO. Dollhouse was sometimes worth a good party or two. Rest of Cowboy I simply skipped for a number of years.
Currently Nana rocks for me. Billboard and Twisters had a good fight to be number 1 at Nana. In my eyes Billboard has won it now. Twisters just lost a number of good looking girls, they have lost even a couple one to Soi Thanya. On the other side Billboard has improved. Loads of cuties working in there, and it's the only place where GoGo girls and Coyote girls are same priced. Barfine for both classes are 700 Baht. So if you are out for a young and gorgeous coyote girl which not makes big fuss, that's the place.[/QUOTE]I pretty much agree. Except I never managed to build any interest at Tilac at any stage over the years. Just lacking pretty faced girls at time of my visits.
That is what it comes down to in the end. If the bar has girls that really appeal, lots of other weaknesses can suddenly be forgotten. So Crazy House has become quite boring. I only BFed one of regular girls this year there, and several visits did nothing. It is probably well below standard of 3 years ago. They possibly accept any girls not too fat these days, or selection standards have definitely declined.
You don't say when you last visited Billboard and Twisters. I visited last week, and for several natural pretty faced girls, and for my taste, Twisters was still well in front. Single night sample of both bars same night. Both bars have ample spinner or slim type girls with good bodies. Both bars have girls with nice natural tits. The good thing about Billboard was the very low incidence of Silicones, so much so that I did not notice any at all that night. Bangkok Bunnies is for silicone lovers, but not for me.
[QUOTE=KhaoLao;2018684]
It sounds harsh to some of you. It even sounds harsh to my 15 year younger myself. But honesty is most time appreciated and gives a good guideline for girls, which are usually quiet lost without such a line. Hell, I'm eager and able to provide a good time for the girls, including dinners and parties at the best places which this city can provide with a guy with manners and behaviours. If you want to be into this game, gear up your stuff and deliver some by your own![/QUOTE]I have found that even the very best girls service can start to drop off if she starts to take you for granted. Then you have to rest that girl for a while, or send to the lower tier.
One fantastic girl used to give me absolutely everything she could, but having become very regular, starts to omit things sometimes, e. G. No DATY today, as I am scared you might scratch me (even I was willing to try for the smoothest shave possible) and she always cums from DATY, or no BBBJ today (I have bad shoulder). She dropped any chance of anal long ago. Her ass is out of practice.
So I have to circulate to some much more keen girls that have not been doing so regularly. Sometimes the girl not done for some time can be extra horny, and extra good.
If first fuck is moderate, or girl is extra pretty, I may give girl a second chance. Fortunately did that with one freelancer and she has now become a very good reliable fuck. Also one bargirl was vastly better and passionate the second time with some leg opener tequilas into her. I think two tries is enough, Girls are not likely to improve after that. Far more likely to go downhill.
If a girl maintains a good standard and is pretty, I can keep doing her for years. Not many last that long though. Most girls are moody, and their standard of session can vary accordingly, even if I am not relevant to their current mood.
High levels of keenness by the girl are a very important aspect for a good session. The key to keeping girls keen, is to treat them very nicely and relaxed no pressure. It is easy to act like a prince among frogs, even if not handsome, not that charming, and not even rich.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2019125]
You don't say when you last visited Billboard and Twisters. I visited last week, and for several natural pretty faced girls, and for my taste, Twisters was still well in front. Single night sample of both bars same night. Both bars have ample spinner or slim type girls with good bodies. Both bars have girls with nice natural tits. The good thing about Billboard was the very low incidence of Silicones, so much so that I did not notice any at all that night. [/QUOTE]Tonight checked out both Billboard and Twisters again.
Billboard first up to maybe 8.45 PM. I did see some silicones this time, but not among the topless soapsuds girls. Rotating stage is rather too dark. So you don't see that the girl's faces too clearly. Still one girl very pretty, and one reasonable (except fake nose and tits).
Moved Straight on to Twisters. Twisters had significantly more girls present at that time. Lighting is better. Now could find 3 to 6 reasonably pretty girls, over time, meaning perhaps only 3 at first, but numbers still building. Spent longer in Twisters simply as the girls were a bit better. Chatted to Bpan (I think she spells it Pun). She did not want to go with me. No price discussed. Says she is a bit scared of farang sized dick, and split with Thai BF not that long. Says she has been with customers only a couple of times and that she likes small dick. I wonder if one of the customers fucked her too hard and now scared due to that. Better the girl says no, than to waste the money on a bad fuck.
Still there were more than one other girl I liked the looks of, but have had time yet to check the chemistry, as yet. Moved on about 9. 30 PM to go to something else planned as a fallback.
Neither bar was that busy but numbers were building. If compared both bars to Crazy House, I would expect CH to have more customers at comparable times, however Twisters girls are better looking but some girls slightly too covered up.
On way out, a quick peek in Diamonds through the doorway that used to be Candyland and before that Hot Lips. Definitely a couple of nice looking topless girls in there. I should check that out another day.
Gents,
I will be in BKK next week. Its Songkran water festival and I remember from a few years ago that a lot of business are close and many of working ladies go back home to villages. Can anyone provides thoughts on the scene in BKK for mongering.
Also. Can anyone recommend options to pick up ladies earlier in evening? Sadly I am usually in bed by 10pm and seems like Climax doesn't really get busy until 12-1 am. Any guidance would be appreciate, even personal connections.
U1.
What experience do you have in Bangkok on Songkran? Does Songkran affect the sex business and how?
[QUOTE=Michager;2019512]What experience do you have in Bangkok on Songkran? Does Songkran affect the sex business and how?[/QUOTE]Participated last year. For the first time. I was not too enthusiastic about the idea because I generally try to avoid such events. I had the idea it was childish, a hazzle with big crowds etc. But I put on a cheap T shirt and shorts, covered my phone in plastic and went to Soi Cowboy in the daytime. And I had a blast! I mean, I am over 50 and thought that such activities was all in the past. But it was great fun and I do recommend you to try it out. Be prepared to get soaked of course, but do buy a "gun" and join in the water fights. It was just amazing. In the evening all was back to normal in Cowboy and business more or less as normal. It is true that some girls will go back to visit their family during Songkran, but don not worry; there are plenty left. And the daytime activity actually give you the opportunity to make friends (both male and female) so you will enjoy the evenings even more. Everyone was friendly and there is a festive feeling to it all. I did nor partake in other areas of Bangkok. Soi Cowboy in the daytime covered my needs for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url]!
Called in at Crazy House today briefly. Decided to leave after they put shows on. The shows are horrible because they use fat and ugly girls, to do stuff that mostly isn't sexy or beautiful in any way. Pretty girls are not willing to do the ugly shows.
However before that the line up was quite good today. Miles in front of last Monday. Can't say why? Two or 3 new girls were moderately interesting for looks and sexiness.
In addition, despite me knowing almost zero girls last Monday, today 4 of my regular girls were there: Jane, Oom, Noi, and Jan (Jun). All very good on the bed, nice GFE with DFK, and passionate and horny girls. Knew a few other girls: have previously done Ui and Naam, with Naam O.K. but not really great, and Ui hopelessly dick scared. Kratae and Ice (Geronimo) also present but never tried. Some other known girls like Taeng Mo, Boom, Phriao, and Mon were missing today (none of these are in my favourites).
Still not the former CH, but has its good and bad days. I could certainly get a nice fuck with a sleek pretty girl of my type today. For me the bar is O.K. for a short visit, if the right girls are there. If former girls Nat, Donut and May-Lee were still in CH, it would be too hard for me to stay away. All three very pretty with good bodies, and fun on the bed. Perhaps it is best they are not there.
Outdoor bars or cart bars have started to creep back to Sukhumvit. Depends on if they can pay enough corruption money. One was setup just past the Thermae, another between Soi 21 and Soi 23, and two more in Soi 23. Unfortunately I chose the wrong one between Soi 21 and Soi 23, because I knew a girl working there. I ordered a total of 4 drinks, 2 for me and 2 for the girl. However bill came and it had several more drinks for others girls that I knew nothing about, and had not sanctioned. I assumed they came from other customers. It seemed the girl ordered these by herself. I had never been ripped off at a cart bar before, or had anything like this happen, so was obviously a shock. Even I knew this girl very slightly before, I think they should sack her, for imagining me ordering drinks for everyone without me saying anything. You want to be careful about having too much fun at these places when staff start imaging drink orders, that never happened. Avoid this cart bar or certainly avoid the skinny girl called Lek. I am not sure that fault lies with anyone else. One girl actually asked me for a drink and I knocked her back, since did not know her at all.
I found a good bar stool at Big Dog's just at the entrance to Nana Plaza. Great location to watch the BKK world go by. Around 8 pm I saw the lineup of girls across the street in the Nana Hotel parking lot begin to fill. At the parking lot entrance most far from Hooters a small cluster of hot girls communicating with each other through sign language has sprouted up. I have watched them for a couple of nights. Several are cute little spinners, one in particular caught my eye. Over a few beers I watched as several men approached the hottest one (in my opinion), but then walked away. I assumed the price was too high. There was one girl with verbal skills who seem to be doing the negotiating for the mutes. The pretty one; to a few of the men she showed her phone screen to them and they immediately walked away. I wondered if there was something more than price going on. One guy lounging on a motorbike back behind the entrance sign may be running this crew, they all turn to him and communicate via sign every now and then. Finally I went over to bargain with the prettiest one, her verbal negotiator friend said, "one thousand five hundred short time". I countered with one thousand, the negotiator said, "many men want her, one thousand five hundred". Once again I countered with one thousand (although tomorrow I go to Pattaya and this same one thousand would get two Beach Road girls so I was not too enthusiastic about the negotiation) and she said, "one thousand two hundred". I bowed gracefully, said thank you and walked away. The negotiator started saying something about "she go with you" but I kept walking. Looking back on the negotiation, the girls with verbal skills was much prettier than the mute girl I was pursuing. It might have been interesting if I shifted gears mid-negotiation and asked for the negotiator!
Earlier I received one of the best oily massage hand jobs ever at Kinnaree between JW Marriott and the entrance to Nana Road. One hour massage THB 500. I told the girl I'd give her an additional 500 for the hand job. I had a great time talking and laughing with Mose and ended up giving her a very generous 1,000. Guess I'm feeling Songkran generous. Funny that I would give 1,500 for a hand job but not for short time with a pretty mute girl! Such is life.
[QUOTE=BushWhack;2019719]I found a good bar stool at Big Dog's just at the entrance to Nana Plaza. Great location to watch the BKK world go by. Around 8 pm I saw the lineup of girls across the street in the Nana Hotel parking lot begin to fill. At the parking lot entrance most far from Hooters a small cluster of hot girls communicating with each other through sign language has sprouted up. I have watched them for a couple of nights. Several are cute little spinners, one in particular caught my eye. Over a few beers I watched as several men approached the hottest one (in my opinion), but then walked away. I assumed the price was too high. There was one girl with verbal skills who seem to be doing the negotiating for the mutes. The pretty one; to a few of the men she showed her phone screen to them and they immediately walked away. I wondered if there was something more than price going on. One guy lounging on a motorbike back behind the entrance sign may be running this crew, they all turn to him and communicate via sign every now and then. Finally I went over to bargain with the prettiest one, her verbal negotiator friend said, "one thousand five hundred short time". I countered with one thousand, the negotiator said, "many men want her, one thousand five hundred". Once again I countered with one thousand (although tomorrow I go to Pattaya and this same one thousand would get two Beach Road girls so I was not too enthusiastic about the negotiation) and she said, "one thousand two hundred". I bowed gracefully, said thank you and walked away. The negotiator started saying something about "she go with you" but I kept walking. Looking back on the negotiation, the girls with verbal skills was much prettier than the mute girl I was pursuing. It might have been interesting if I shifted gears mid-negotiation and asked for the negotiator!
Earlier I received one of the best oily massage hand jobs ever at Kinnaree between JW Marriott and the entrance to Nana Road. One hour massage THB 500. I told the girl I'd give her an additional 500 for the hand job. I had a great time talking and laughing with Mose and ended up giving her a very generous 1,000. Guess I'm feeling Songkran generous. Funny that I would give 1,500 for a hand job but not for short time with a pretty mute girl! Such is life.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have observed that group with the motorcycle guy hanging around behind the sign for more than a year now. I don't think I have ever seen one of those girls walk off with a customer. Maybe just my timing. I have seen guys stand there exchanging phone screen images with them for extended periods before walking away and assumed it had to have been about more than merely "How much?" but at least partially about "For What?" In your negotiation with the verbal girl, did she say anything about the quality of the Short Time, what might actually be on offer other than whatever is presumed to be a standard Short Time procedure? Anything mentioned like FS only, BBBJ+FS, BBBJ+CIM, Anal, BBFS, Two Hours of Up to You or something a bit more specific like that?
I got stopped by one of the really skinny mute girls there about a year ago. She smiled broadly, waggled her eyebrows, winked, gestured to her mute friend and showed me her phone screen that said something like (I'm paraphrasing from memory now), "Two ladies for two hours 1,500". So I was just wondering if they are still communicating more than mere price either on their phone screen or through the verbal negotiator.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2019684]Called in at Crazy House today briefly. Decided to leave after they put shows on. The shows are horrible because they use fat and ugly girls, to do stuff that mostly isn't sexy or beautiful in any way. Pretty girls are not willing to do the ugly shows.
However before that the line up was quite good today. Miles in front of last Monday. Can't say why? Two or 3 new girls were moderately interesting for looks and sexiness.
In addition, despite me knowing almost zero girls last Monday, today 4 of my regular girls were there: Jane, Oom, Noi, and Jan (Jun). All very good on the bed, nice GFE with DFK, and passionate and horny girls. Knew a few other girls: have previously done Ui and Naam, with Naam O.K. but not really great, and Ui hopelessly dick scared. Kratae and Ice (Geronimo) also present but never tried. Some other known girls like Taeng Mo, Boom, Phriao, and Mon were missing today (none of these are in my favourites).
Still not the former CH, but has its good and bad days. I could certainly get a nice fuck with a sleek pretty girl of my type today. For me the bar is O.K. for a short visit, if the right girls are there. If former girls Nat, Donut and May-Lee were still in CH, it would be too hard for me to stay away. All three very pretty with good bodies, and fun on the bed. Perhaps it is best they are not there.
Outdoor bars or cart bars have started to creep back to Sukhumvit. Depends on if they can pay enough corruption money. One was setup just past the Thermae, another between Soi 21 and Soi 23, and two more in Soi 23. Unfortunately I chose the wrong one between Soi 21 and Soi 23, because I knew a girl working there. I ordered a total of 4 drinks, 2 for me and 2 for the girl. However bill came and it had several more drinks for others girls that I knew nothing about, and had not sanctioned. I assumed they came from other customers. It seemed the girl ordered these by herself. I had never been ripped off at a cart bar before, or had anything like this happen, so was obviously a shock. Even I knew this girl very slightly before, I think they should sack her, for imagining me ordering drinks for everyone without me saying anything. You want to be careful about having too much fun at these places when staff start imaging drink orders, that never happened. Avoid this cart bar or certainly avoid the skinny girl called Lek. I am not sure that fault lies with anyone else. One girl actually asked me for a drink and I knocked her back, since did not know her at all.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you had a bad night with Merci and then this. I've had that happen to me before where no matter where you go in one night, nothing goes right. The mongering gods were just not on your side. If I see that happening to me, I call it a night and go home before more financial damage occurs via lady drinks, barfines, or massage rates. I remember one night between a bad Annie's experience, bad Angel Witch barfine, failed freelance Climax pick up, and a failed cart bar pick up, I had wasted about 10,000 in bullshit.
Guys,
I'm going next month, did some RTFF last month and starting to do more this weekend. Found most of the stuff I've been looking for but a few more things I need to ask.
First, I haven't been to a girlie bar in over two years, first time I'm going sober. I'm not in AA or anything but I'd like to maintain my 18 months without a drink so what are my options at these bars? Will going for a non alcoholic drink scare off the girls, maybe make me seem cheap or less likely to fall for their charms and attempts to secure customer?
I'm an early bird, my usual M. O. Was hit the bars early, between 7 pm to 10 pm to avoid crowds. I know girls are usually less likely to bargain and if they do barfine early, they are in more of a rush to get back and make more money than if they were BF'd later in the night. I guess there is no reason to expect any different in bkk?
In the past I've had success just hanging out in the bars and drinking with girls, getting contacts and making arrangements for the next day. This is partially to avoid the barfine and also because I prefer mid morning and afternoon sessions compared to drunkenly walking into my hotel with a girl late at night. From what I've read, doesn't seem like this is done a lot on BKK but I'm hoping I'm wrong about this.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2019737]It sounds like you had a bad night with Merci and then this. I've had that happen to me before where no matter where you go in one night, nothing goes right. The mongering gods were just not on your side. If I see that happening to me, I call it a night and go home before more financial damage occurs via lady drinks, barfines, or massage rates. I remember one night between a bad Annie's experience, bad Angel Witch barfine, failed freelance Climax pick up, and a failed cart bar pick up, I had wasted about 10,000 in bullshit.[/QUOTE]I have always maintained that it is quite easy to have 2, 3 or even 4 days in a row go badly in Thailand. And that is nothing new, either. It happened to me and guys I knew back when I was coming here (where I live now) 20-25 years ago on vacation. It was one of the reasons I much preferred the Philippines to Thailand in those days. Since the time and distance from USA to this part of the world was so great, I capitalized on the grueling journey by spending a week or so in the Philippines and a week or so in Thailand. I never regretted the time I spent in Thailand. But the reality was when I was in Thailand I missed the Philippines. However, when I was in the Philippines I never missed Thailand. The potential risk of having a bad run of experiences that might easily chew up a day, two or even three days in a row of my vacation time in Thailand, something that never happened to me in the Philippines, was one of the reasons for that.
Then, just as suddenly, it is really easy to have the next 3, 4, 5 or more days in a row provide some of the most satisfying and happy experiences in Thailand one could ever want and all is forgotten about the bad run. Or almost forgotten. I often wonder if I ever would have wanted to return to Thailand at all if the FIRST 3 days or so I spent here way back when happened to be one of those truly awful bad runs.
In your negotiation with the verbal girl, did she say anything about the quality of the Short Time, what might actually be on offer other than whatever is presumed to be a standard Short Time procedure? Anything mentioned like FS only, BBBJ+FS, BBBJ+CIM, Anal, BBFS, Two Hours of Up to You or something a bit more specific like that?
Tooms you may be onto something. I did not get so far as to discuss procedure or the short time menu, but that may be the issue causing so many men to walk away. I'm pretty standard, BJ followed by a few interesting positions and I'm done. I don't think a shortened menu would have queered my deal.
An interesting note: after walking away from the negotiation, down the street and back I noticed two of the mutes and the negotiator all clustered around the guy on the motorbike. The first thing that flashed into my mind was the girls were asking permission to accept a lower price. I watched three men disengage from the mute, then me. That's a good bit of business walking away. I'm not an investment banker but seems to me accepting THB 1,000 twice is better than demanding 1. 5 four times and getting nothing.
[QUOTE=BushWhack;2019719]Finally I went over to bargain with the prettiest one, her verbal negotiator friend said, "one thousand five hundred short time". I countered with one thousand, the negotiator said, "many men want her, one thousand five hundred". Once again I countered with one thousand (although tomorrow I go to Pattaya and this same one thousand would get two Beach Road girls so I was not too enthusiastic about the negotiation) and she said, "one thousand two hundred". I bowed gracefully, said thank you and walked away. The negotiator started saying something about "she go with you" but I kept walking. Looking back on the negotiation, the girls with verbal skills was much prettier than the mute girl I was pursuing. It might have been interesting if I shifted gears mid-negotiation and asked for the negotiator!
Earlier I received one of the best oily massage hand jobs ever at Kinnaree between JW Marriott and the entrance to Nana Road. One hour massage THB 500. I told the girl I'd give her an additional 500 for the hand job. I had a great time talking and laughing with Mose and ended up giving her a very generous 1,000. Guess I'm feeling Songkran generous. Funny that I would give 1,500 for a hand job but not for short time with a pretty mute girl! Such is life.[/QUOTE]Yea, I really did not get the idea of walking away from a 1200 thb ST and blowing the (nearly) same amount on a massage and HJ. Perhaps it gives you winning feeling of having "negotiated" well? No offense, just trying to understand the psychology!
[QUOTE=BushWhack;2019719] Over a few beers I watched as several men approached the hottest one (in my opinion), but then walked away. I assumed the price was too high. There was one girl with verbal skills who seem to be doing the negotiating for the mutes. The pretty one; to a few of the men she showed her phone screen to them and they immediately walked away. I wondered if there was something more than price going on. One guy lounging on a motorbike back behind the entrance sign may be running this crew, they all turn to him and communicate via sign every now and then. Finally I went over to bargain with the prettiest one, her verbal negotiator friend said, "one thousand five hundred short time". I countered with one thousand, the negotiator said, "many men want her, one thousand five hundred". [/QUOTE]You may well have seen me approach those girls too if was around 11 pm. Two deaf girls. The really quite pretty one was in blue colour outfit. I did fancy her. She was similar looking to my Jane at Crazy House but a little less skinny (could easily have been a sister for looks LOL). She kept trying to put me on to her ugly companion. The girl in blue did possibly appear to have a waistline maybe not quite as slim as I like. Sure, she showed me the screen with large 1500. Also tried to sell me on taking both girls. Might try the girl in blue another day, but not the ugly one. I was also fancying another freelancer sitting down dressed in a dark brick red dress, who seemed to be not trying to interest guys, but rather just wait for a guy to come to her, due to the pretty face. One or two other blondish haired girls looked good. The overall standard was quite high, compared to what is normally expected, however getting a great GFE on a first time girl is not easy, in my experience. Yes can get a girl for 1000 or 1200 sometimes, but it probably will be 30 minute non GFE. I would rather pay 1500 if can get the GFE.
I usually take my regular freelancer for 90 minutes, so 1000 Baht isn't going to be the deal. We sometimes eat together afterwards. Eating before sex is not a great idea for me. Tends to cut my energy levels for a long sex about. She told me one Japanese customer wanted to take her to RCA, so she charged him 1500 per hour, and he was willing to pay that. LOL even it wasn't sex, and she wasn't stunning. Ha Ha. Crazy. She also told me about 70% of guys approaching want BBFS and often offer significantly higher money for that which she is refusing. However I expect that many freelancers could not resist significantly more money for no condom. Haven't done the survey. Maybe Eih Tooms will know what percentage of freelancers do BBFS on a first time booking.
Massage with HJ is zero interest for me. I would rather have naked pretty girl sit on my lap at Crazy House. Different priorities.
No ability to talk is no barrier for me. I have done the odd fabulous latin girl in the past who had zero English and I had zero Spanish. One girl Momo from Cuba was fantastic. Memories of 2005. LOL Lack of talk can be replaced by kissing and other things, if you know the girl is willing. So the cute deaf girl is on my "to do" list. Probably just need to "chat her" up somehow and see if a GFE may be possible.
Challenging to build the chemistry out there on the street when the girl doesn't talk. She does lip read Thai well. English I am not sure.
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Then, just as suddenly, it is really easy to have the next 3, 4, 5 or more days in a row provide some of the most satisfying and happy experiences in Thailand one could ever want and all is forgotten about the bad run. Or almost forgotten. I often wonder if I ever would have wanted to return to Thailand at all if the FIRST 3 days or so I spent here way back when happened to be one of those truly awful bad runs.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have not had such a bad day for a while. In the end was not totally bad. Did a regular girl for a nice 90 minute fuck in between the two bad experiences. The real problem was the extra expense of the bad parts of the day. Wasted money. The wasted time did not matter that much. It is a disincentive to try new things.
It's always great to have known good girls to fall back on, so the day was not a complete write off. Today I can do nothing at all. Maybe watch sport at the pub.
Was fortunate enough to be able to spend a couple of days in Bangkok. In the evenings I visited a good number of Gogo Bars and wanted to share my experiences. During the day I also visited some (more limited) Massage places. Will share those experiences in the massage section of the forum at a later stage.
Billboard (only Gogo I visited at Nana): Good size Gogo with a unique bath / jacuzzi styled "dance-area" on the right when you enter. On the left a Carousel styled dance pod. Quite a large number of attractive dancers, some really get into it (in the bath area, which actually has foam in it; the "carousel-area" is more quiet). For a lady-drink the girls get more engaged (EG lap-grinding) than in some other Gogo's. Good music, pleasant atmosphere.
Crazy House (this and all following Gogo's are in Soi Cowboy): This is one of the most popular Gogo's and is always quite crowded. While I admit that they do have some attractive dancers and a good number of them are in their birthday suits, I have never really enjoyed the atmosphere, I find it is more pushy than other places. Maybe one has to be a regular to be treated well. Also the prices quoted for s / t fun was clearly at a large premium (THB 4k! Maybe she was smoking sth very unhealthy?
Lighthouse: My favorite place as the last stop for the evening, I. E to have some fun with the girls and then barfine one. The dancing is not really anything to write home about (unless there is a dancer who really wants to leave an impression on you.). They have Coyote's and normal dancers (THB 1,200 and THB 700 BF respectively), I found quite a few of the latter category cuter and more fun. And that impression lasted beyond the bar.
Shark: same owner as Lighthouse. Seems to follow the same model, but trying to be slightly more upscale. Downside for me is that the normal dancers are not that hot here and the coyote's (BF seems to be THB 1,500?) , who usually dance upstairs, but come down when less crowded tend to get pricy (also from a Ladydrink point of view). Granted that they really have some stunners.
Baccara: Again one of the more popular Gogo's which has pro's but also some con's for me. Good number of dancers of which quite a few are very attractive, the concept with the see through floor at the second level is great and brilliant views are to be had for those seated in the right area of the first floor. Action at the second floor is fun, but the heavy smoking is really a strong negative as is the pushy nature of some of the dancers. Girls are generally (some exceptions though) very much attracted to the buying power (or shall I say overspending) by Japanese clients and thus at times challenging for older (45+) Westerners.
Long Gun: Fun Bar, themed shows (E. G. Hawaiian dance) that can be fun and entertaining. Girls are quite pretty and not pushy. Ladydrinks go a longer way (timewise, not necessarily also in terms of action) here and all seem to be in a good mood. Good place to spend some time. Haven't tried BF, but would imagine a good result as well.
Raw Hide: Again a fun place with some action happening (all the way to birthday suits). Downside is that they now seem to have a large number of Coyote's (and quite a limited number of normal dancers) who, despite on average looking very good, are less active in providing a good service and instead are looking to maximising their intake. BF for these Coyotes is also steep, though I do not remember the exact amount.
Just a few impressions that might be helpful for some newbies thinking of where to go in the BKK Gogo scene.
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Crazy House (this and all following Gogo's are in Soi Cowboy): This is one of the most popular Gogo's and is always quite crowded. While I admit that they do have some attractive dancers and a good number of them are in their birthday suits, I have never really enjoyed the atmosphere, I find it is more pushy than other places. Maybe one has to be a regular to be treated well. Also the prices quoted for s / t fun was clearly at a large premium (THB 4k! Maybe she was smoking sth very unhealthy?
[/QUOTE]True price is usually 2500 or 3000 plus barfine, depending on your negotiating skills or on the girl. Some of the more ugly or less popular girls may go for 2000. However unlikely for a very hot girl. Never heard of having to pay 4K ST for even the very best girls ever in there. LT could be available for 4K to 5K, depending on the girl. I can't be sure since it is a long time since I took a LT. Girls are not hassling me that much, even though there are a lot of new girls that don't know me. I am pretty good at ignoring unwanted girls. I don't like to look them in the eye as though to acknowledge them. A girl comes up and puts out her hand to shake mine. I pay no attention. If she tries to sit on my lap, I just don't allow it. No need to be too friendly. I am Farang, so I don't know if girls act more forcefully with timid looking Asian guys. My advice is just don't allow girls to dominate you in any way, and ignore them as best you can. If girl is with you already and keeps pestering for drinks too much, just say no thanks, or tell her to go away in extreme cases. Or just stop talking to her and stop looking at her at all. If refuse to listen or answer, she will get the message. These are extreme cases. I don't have so much problem. Was much worse for me in Long Gun. I knew too many people and did not want to have to rudely tell them all to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off. However you can't afford to be real friendly with too many people in a bar. If you are nice to anyone, will be hard to get rid of them.
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Lighthouse: My favorite place as the last stop for the evening, I. E to have some fun with the girls and then barfine one. The dancing is not really anything to write home about (unless there is a dancer who really wants to leave an impression on you.). They have Coyote's and normal dancers (THB 1,200 and THB 700 BF respectively), I found quite a few of the latter category cuter and more fun. And that impression lasted beyond the bar.
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I recently noticed some cute girls outside Lighthouse. Time for a revisit.
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Long Gun: Fun Bar, themed shows (E. G. Hawaiian dance) that can be fun and entertaining. Girls are quite pretty and not pushy. Ladydrinks go a longer way (timewise, not necessarily also in terms of action) here and all seem to be in a good mood. Good place to spend some time. Haven't tried BF, but would imagine a good result as well.
[/QUOTE]I can't go in there any more. Get hassled too much for drinks. Too many staff know me from former times.
If you are back in Nana I recommend try out Twisters, for superior quality girl looks, however not like Baccara girls. Baccara and Sharks are not my style.
Coyotes in Cowboy are largely a waste of time and money and not that special. Coyotes in Nana are very prevalent these days, may well be cheaper, more available for sex, and better compared to Cowboy.
[QUOTE=Goons;2019738]Guys,
I'm going next month, did some RTFF last month and starting to do more this weekend. Found most of the stuff I've been looking for but a few more things I need to ask.
First, I haven't been to a girlie bar in over two years, first time I'm going sober. I'm not in AA or anything but I'd like to maintain my 18 months without a drink so what are my options at these bars? Will going for a non alcoholic drink scare off the girls, maybe make me seem cheap or less likely to fall for their charms and attempts to secure customer?
I'm an early bird, my usual M. O. Was hit the bars early, between 7 pm to 10 pm to avoid crowds. I know girls are usually less likely to bargain and if they do barfine early, they are in more of a rush to get back and make more money than if they were BF'd later in the night. I guess there is no reason to expect any different in bkk?
In the past I've had success just hanging out in the bars and drinking with girls, getting contacts and making arrangements for the next day. This is partially to avoid the barfine and also because I prefer mid morning and afternoon sessions compared to drunkenly walking into my hotel with a girl late at night. From what I've read, doesn't seem like this is done a lot on BKK but I'm hoping I'm wrong about this.[/QUOTE]In my experience it does not matter if you drink alcohol or not. The girls will certainly be interested in going with a sober guy. No need to fear the girl will offer a rushed service. This is more related to the attitude of the girl than the time of evening. Good luck!
[QUOTE=Goons;2019738]Guys,
I'm going next month, did some RTFF last month and starting to do more this weekend. Found most of the stuff I've been looking for but a few more things I need to ask.
First, I haven't been to a girlie bar in over two years, first time I'm going sober. I'm not in AA or anything but I'd like to maintain my 18 months without a drink so what are my options at these bars? Will going for a non alcoholic drink scare off the girls, maybe make me seem cheap or less likely to fall for their charms and attempts to secure customer?[/QUOTE]I don't drink alcohol either for the most part. I usually order orange juice or club soda. It is never a problem with the girls and I believe many girls prefer to go with a non-drinker. I occasionally order a cheap beer during happy hour. At that time beer is cheaper than water. I'll take a few sips but 95% of my beer goes unfinished.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2019787]Yes, I have not had such a bad day for a while. In the end was not totally bad. Did a regular girl for a nice 90 minute fuck in between the two bad experiences. The real problem was the extra expense of the bad parts of the day. Wasted money. The wasted time did not matter that much. It is a disincentive to try new things.
It's always great to have known good girls to fall back on, so the day was not a complete write off. Today I can do nothing at all. Maybe watch sport at the pub.[/QUOTE]Yes, and imagine a newbie showing up and instead of having all 2-3 in a row bad experiences in a single day (perhaps due to planned P4 P budgetary limitations) he has them spaced out one each day for the first three days of his vacation! LOL. I would say the pressure and expectations along with a very bad mood by the morning of the 4th day would be rather intense.
[QUOTE=Goons;2019738]
I'm an early bird, my usual M. O. Was hit the bars early, between 7 pm to 10 pm to avoid crowds. I know girls are usually less likely to bargain and if they do barfine early, they are in more of a rush to get back and make more money than if they were BF'd later in the night. I guess there is no reason to expect any different in bkk?
In the past I've had success just hanging out in the bars and drinking with girls, getting contacts and making arrangements for the next day. This is partially to avoid the barfine and also because I prefer mid morning and afternoon sessions compared to drunkenly walking into my hotel with a girl late at night. From what I've read, doesn't seem like this is done a lot on BKK but I'm hoping I'm wrong about this.[/QUOTE]7 Pm is a bit too early to hit gogo bars. Although Crazy House opens early like 7. 30 pm, no point to turn up till at least 8. 30 pm since early girls are not the pretty ones. Best girls may still be arriving at 9. 30 PM and have to get changed before dancing. 8. 30 PM, the bar will still not yet be crowded. So you choose a seat with best view. Doesn't matter if gets more crowded later.
I love a fuck in the morning myself. However bargirls are unreliable. If you make arrangement for the next day, they likely won't show up, unless very high money offered. So you need a fall back plan. Sukhumvit Soi 4 has bars open daytime, like Stumble Inn, Morning Night. There will still be a barfine.
Many massage joints are open at 11 AM. You don't have to have a massage at all. LOL I don't. More difficult to find pretty girls though. May have to try several places near to each other.
I never drink alcohol before sex (almost never). I may drink afterwards. It's not an issue at all. Bars serve Coke, Coke Light, Zero, Sprite, Orange juice, Pineapple juice, Soda water (known as Soda in Thailand), Tonic (water), plain water, maybe even tomato juice, etc. Soda is best for me, as no sugar, and I drink it slower.
For extra shy newbie girls, they may need 2 or 3 tequilas to loosen up, and become much more keen to be fucked. Likely improves their kissing also.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2020118]Yes, and imagine a newbie showing up and instead of having all 2-3 in a row bad experiences in a single day (perhaps due to planned P4 P budgetary limitations) he has them spaced out one each day for the first three days of his vacation! LOL. I would say the pressure and expectations along with a very bad mood by the morning of the 4th day would be rather intense.[/QUOTE]After a bad experience, it is wise to move on to an absolutely sure thing, to change the mood. Could be some highly recommended girl in an MP or could be a regular girl. Several gambles in a row is getting to risky. Imagine if took several Soapy girls in a row on the same day, and they were all poor. Could happen easily.
So I never try more than one new girl on same day anymore, and probably not even on consecutive days.
Hi,
This may be a strange question, but I would like to know if there is a Thailand equivalent in the West.
A place where mongers / punters can get short-term girlfriends for days, or even weeks, do lots of stuff together without keeping a low profile, all in a laid-back environment.
Brazil seems to be the South American equivalent of Thailand, from what I've heard and seen.
So, how about in Europe, North America, and Oceania?
Not interested in Thai girls. More interested in Caucasian girls, so that's what I'm asking.
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For extra shy newbie girls, they may need 2 or 3 tequilas to loosen up, and become much more keen to be fucked. Likely improves their kissing also.[/QUOTE]Good advice. And avoid the girls who only want to drink orange juice. They are likely dead fucks. Whenever a girl refuses alcohol, I throw her back and find a different girl. I want my girl at least a bit tipsy when she's in bed.
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Not interested in Thai girls. More interested in Caucasian girls, so that's what I'm asking.[/QUOTE]Its not exactly the right thread for those not interested in Thai girls. I have heard of guys in Bangkok not so interested in Thai girls and going for Russian girls in some clubs. Even some beauties supposedly although I have not seen them. Will be a higher price of course for good ones.
You might want to look in the FKK and Sauna Club threads in Germany, especially for Frankfurt, Cologne, Duesseldorf areas. You can see there are adverts on this page that mentions FKK and Saunaclub. There are American guys and Asian guys that will spend days in these clubs with an international selection of girls but mostly East European, with Romanian the most dominant. Some clubs have a large number of girls all naked. I know one guy with a lot of money, takes an FKK club girl away with him on holidays to Thailand and South America. Far more expensive than doing the local girls here.
Don't you already know about this stuff?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2020475]Good advice. And avoid the girls who only want to drink orange juice. They are likely dead fucks. Whenever a girl refuses alcohol, I throw her back and find a different girl. I want my girl at least a bit tipsy when she's in bed.[/QUOTE]Certainly seen some very prim and proper cautious girls transformed into raunchy sluts by a few drinks. Not guaranteed to work with every girl. However I am always careful not to take girls that have had too many drinks. How many is too many? Just depends on if girl is used to alcohol and how well she is coping with it, and whether drinks are strong or weak, and whether she already drank Yaa Dong herbal alcohol drink supplied to girls by the bar. 3 drinks is enough for a newbie girl not used to it.
The key word is slightly tipsy. Drunk girls are a waste of money.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2020475] And avoid the girls who only want to drink orange juice. They are likely dead fucks. Whenever a girl refuses alcohol, I throw her back and find a different girl. I want my girl at least a bit tipsy when she's in bed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020531]The key word is slightly tipsy. Drunk girls are a waste of money.[/QUOTE]This discussion about alcohol and money reminds me of a young girl I met in Pattaya a few years ago. She was definately not an orange juice drinker. I met her while she was partying with her friends on WS close to Ibar. She was drunk, I was drunk. We had some more drinks and finally went back to my hotel. She was too drunk to fuck (as I was) and passed out. In the morning she did not hurry to leave and to my suprise did not have a bad hangover so she was willing and able to fuck. Nice body, good sized natural tits for a Thai. After the sex I asked her how much money she wanted for the night. She told me she doesn't want any money, she had come from Bangkok to Pattaya just to party and have fun for a few days. And so we did. We played billiards, partied hard and fucked the next 3-4 days. Money after sex was never discussed. She was quite a heavy drinker (like a Finn) and eager to ring the bell in the bars. I paid of course a couple of rounds. I felt like being 25 YO student again in Finland drinking and fucking hot young girls for free. She just looked a bit darker and more exotic, heh. I was paying of course for her drinks and food as a gentleman should. I did not count how much I paid during those days, I did not care as we had such a good fun. She was happily drunk every night but always able to fuck the next morning and during the day. Great memories.
[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2020777]This discussion about alcohol and money reminds me of a young girl I met in Pattaya a few years ago. She was definately not an orange juice drinker. I met her while she was partying with her friends on WS close to Ibar. She was drunk, I was drunk. We had some more drinks and finally went back to my hotel. She was too drunk to fuck (as I was) and passed out. In the morning she did not hurry to leave and to my suprise did not have a bad hangover so she was willing and able to fuck. Nice body, good sized natural tits for a Thai. After the sex I asked her how much money she wanted for the night. She told me she doesn't want any money, she had come from Bangkok to Pattaya just to party and have fun for a few days. And so we did. We played billiards, partied hard and fucked the next 3-4 days. Money after sex was never discussed. [/QUOTE]Wow, hot girl. I would not care if the skin was dark or not. Can't see the face but nose looks good.
Nice to only have to pay in kind and a few rounds of drinks. LOL Just shows that in Thailand, it is foolish to plan well ahead and book lots of things. Go with the flow is far better.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020856]Wow, hot girl. I would not care if the skin was dark or not. Can't see the face but nose looks good.[/QUOTE]With a body like that, I don't give a rats ass what her face looks like. Especially her nose.
Thanks at Aviator12, at allover. I had never realized these bars served non alcoholic drinks. In the past it was my favorite way of getting sauced while visiting countries that had girlie bars. I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy myself at these places sober, but I'll certainly give it a try. I enjoy sitting around talking to the girls, not always barfining them. From what I've read BKK with all the foot traffic and tourists, is more of a businesslike approach from the girls who move on to the next customer if they don't sense they will be able to close a deal. Hopefully I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020176]7 Pm is a bit too early to hit gogo bars. Although Crazy House opens early like 7. 30 pm, no point to turn up till at least 8. 30 pm since early girls are not the pretty ones. Best girls may still be arriving at 9. 30 PM and have to get changed before dancing. 8. 30 PM, the bar will still not yet be crowded. So you choose a seat with best view. Doesn't matter if gets more crowded later.
I love a fuck in the morning myself. However bargirls are unreliable. If you make arrangement for the next day, they likely won't show up, unless very high money offered. So you need a fall back plan. Sukhumvit Soi 4 has bars open daytime, like Stumble Inn, Morning Night. There will still be a barfine.
Many massage joints are open at 11 AM. You don't have to have a massage at all. LOL I don't. More difficult to find pretty girls though. May have to try several places near to each other..[/QUOTE]For the past few weeks I've been doing on and off research, my focus has been mostly on the bars but it seems I may need to put more effort into reading up on the alternatives especially since I'm no longer into drinking and loud music. I guess BKK is the wrong country to expect a nice quiet girlie bar where I can sit with a girl or two and not be interrupted by too many drunks stumbling in and out throughout the night?
As far as freelance outside Nana (where I'm planning to stay my first night out of convenience), and around Soi 4, how do they compare to bargirls in terms of quality of service? I've read through some older posts and it seems there is no reason to expect the majority of them to be a lower quality just because they are not employed in the slightly more glamorous (compared to standing on the street) setting of a bar with flashing lights and loud music.
Hi I am looking for a place that would provide a haircut / manscaping and BBBJ as an extra. I know Anne (at friends used to provide that service but hoped someone knew of a decent place that provided haircuts and extras now.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2020880]With a body like that, I don't give a rats ass what her face looks like. Especially her nose.[/QUOTE]Ain't that the truth. She could have the face of a bulldog's but and I would not care if the bod was like that.
[QUOTE=Goons;2020897]
For the past few weeks I've been doing on and off research, my focus has been mostly on the bars but it seems I may need to put more effort into reading up on the alternatives especially since I'm no longer into drinking and loud music. I guess BKK is the wrong country to expect a nice quiet girlie bar where I can sit with a girl or two and not be interrupted by too many drunks stumbling in and out throughout the night?
As far as freelance outside Nana (where I'm planning to stay my first night out of convenience), and around Soi 4, how do they compare to bargirls in terms of quality of service? I've read through some older posts and it seems there is no reason to expect the majority of them to be a lower quality just because they are not employed in the slightly more glamorous (compared to standing on the street) setting of a bar with flashing lights and loud music.[/QUOTE]Most gogo bars have music too loud. I don't know where to recommend with quiet quality music. There are some DJs I like, but always loud.
For freelancers can peruse the Thermae, but quality service for western guys is not easy to come by. A good number of the girls don't want to kiss. Maybe my selections were unlucky. A lot of surgeries in there, and soso bodies. Girls on Soi 4 (watch out since 50% are ladyboys) are cheaper, but mostly looking for a 30 minute quickie again kissing often not included. There are some reasonably good looking girls there especially late like 1 AM or so when bars are starting to reach closing time. A few are doable for me. I would suggest that bargaining to too low a price will only make the service worse. I pay a bit more because I want a longer GFE session.
You can get much better service for your money in PSE massage parlors. Outside of that, service is hit and miss everywhere in the lower price brackets. I prefer to take a long time to choose girls, to try to assess if they are wanting to give good service or not.
Other than my regular girls, known to be good, I prefer taking new girls from bars, as my repeat percentages are higher, meaning I liked the overall experience of looks, GFE, and fun better. However have to consider other options. Other guys hate bars and bargirls. Mainly due to the price I would guess, also because hard to get PSE girls. Of course you have to find bars that suit to your taste.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2021295]Ain't that the truth. She could have the face of a bulldog's but and I would not care if the bod was like that.[/QUOTE]You write girls off due to a few stretch marks on the tummy, but will take a hideous face on a fab body? That seems hard to take at all seriously. I prefer to compromise on a few body weaknesses rather than take a very unappealing face. I can even take saggy tits sometimes, if rest of the package is great. Tits are probably the least important part of a girl (ignoring silly things like feet etc.). Face is the most important, almost.
So my priorities would be: general shape, face, gap, ass, thighs, waist, pussy, legs, tits, in that order. I know other guys put the tits first, but no idea why. I do miss badly a cart bar girl Noi from Easy Bar very young with absolutely amazing natural tits. Just happened she had good slim shaped body and very cute face too. Untrimmed pussy Bush had to be forgiven as she was a newbie willing to learn. Could not seem to contact her after the cart bars got shut down. Must have changed her phone number. Very sad loss Tits were a 10 and overall body probably a 8 to 9, face 8. Fun level 8. What a bad loss. Unfortunately have no picture. That was stupid too. I think tits were a little bigger and higher than FF's Pic. However my girl dressed very conservatively not like FF's trendy girl. Noi dressed so conservatively, that no one in the bar even had a clue that Noi had the most magnificent tits. It was her big secret. She probably did not want to display them at all and show up the other girls with little tits. I chose her for a fuck for being cute and the tits were just an incredible unexpected bonus. Unfortunately she got nabbed in a police raid on the Soi 21 cart bars, I believe.
I woke up this morning thinking junior could use some relief to brighten his day. Why not head down to Kasalong BJ Bar in Nana between Soi 6/8. When I get there the chief BJ artist who is 2 decades past her prime thinks I'm loss because A. Not white. Not 40-80 years old see. Not desperate. She instructs me that I can cut through the outlet to get to Soi 8 which is kitty corner to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. I decide to take a peek at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and there is only one girl there I would consider. I wasn't expecting stunners because it was only 12 noon and last year I visited 12 midnight. After a quick 2 minute evaluation I decide the lineup is teaming with 6.5's at the top of the food chain. Initially the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] girls were friendlier but soon lost patience since I didn't pick a girl right away. After 10 minutes I narrowed it down to the top 4 girls. I notice one of the girls on the inside didn't make eye contact so I wrote her and another girl off as uninterested. I finally point to myself and another provider and she looks at me and says "No!" So I go back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] and ask a darkskin prospect with green contacts if she is a ladyboy and she says "Yes!" I'm not trying to incite fear but this is the Big Mango and I won't be surprised if a rotation / lineup of 12 sprinkle in a ladyboy or two. Last year there was a girl with a throat injury and she claim it was a motorcycle accident. She also had paper cloth in her panty and wouldn't allow me to see her snatch. After that I crossed [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] off my list. Last year the Kasalong girls were friendlier than their counterparts at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. I think Kasalong has fresher girls and a slightly better lineup and I noticed the older providers sat on the right side outside. I decide to buy a soda and the chief BJ artist says it is 70 baht but cheaper to buy at 7-11. As a bonus the girls talk smack and get snobby in English saying they want a 200 baht tip. The one girl that declined me also mentions one of her clients is watching her. Presumably one of the bald elderly farangs sipping a Chang. I'm thinking pay for play is not for me. I'm not meeting the good girls and I'm meeting girls that try to take advantage of farang. It's surprising the [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]and sass coming from ladies who are getting paid. Totally unprofessional. The trip wasn't a waste because I got to update the board and see their daytime lineup.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2021403]You write girls off due to a few stretch marks on the tummy, but will take a hideous face on a fab body? That seems hard to take at all seriously.[/QUOTE]Many BODY guys will fuck the ugliest faced girl if the body is good. You and I are FACE guys. I don't care if someone has the best body in the world. If the face isn't to my liking I never look at any other part of the girl.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2021403]You write girls off due to a few stretch marks on the tummy, but will take a hideous face on a fab body? That seems hard to take at all seriously. I prefer to compromise on a few body weaknesses rather than take a very unappealing face. I can even take saggy tits sometimes, if rest of the package is great. Tits are probably the least important part of a girl (ignoring silly things like feet etc.). Face is the most important, almost.
So my priorities would be: general shape, face, gap, ass, thighs, waist, pussy, legs, tits, in that order. I know other guys put the tits first, but no idea why. I do miss badly a cart bar girl Noi from Easy Bar very young with absolutely amazing natural tits. Just happened she had good slim shaped body and very cute face too. Untrimmed pussy Bush had to be forgiven as she was a newbie willing to learn. Could not seem to contact her after the cart bars got shut down. Must have changed her phone number. Very sad loss Tits were a 10 and overall body probably a 8 to 9, face 8. Fun level 8. What a bad loss. Unfortunately have no picture. That was stupid too. I think tits were a little bigger and higher than FF's Pic. However my girl dressed very conservatively not like FF's trendy girl. Noi dressed so conservatively, that no one in the bar even had a clue that Noi had the most magnificent tits. It was her big secret. She probably did not want to display them at all and show up the other girls with little tits. I chose her for a fuck for being cute and the tits were just an incredible unexpected bonus. Unfortunately she got nabbed in a police raid on the Soi 21 cart bars, I believe.[/QUOTE]Body is far more important to me. Hideous face? Don't think I ever used that term. Surely you caught the humor in my post below? Maybe not. But yes, I will make very big compromises on the face if the body is stellar. Face is just not all that important to me. I am the exact opposite of you in this regard. Not a big tit guy either, but again baby damage on the breast is a no go for me. And Nooknik does not have a "few stretch marks. " She has a lot of them. And yes, for the most part, any more than very mild mommy body and I am not interested in the least.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2021556]Many BODY guys will fuck the ugliest faced girl if the body is good. You and I are FACE guys. I don't care if someone has the best body in the world. If the face isn't to my liking I never look at any other part of the girl.[/QUOTE]Yep, and I am the exact opposite. Gal can have the prettiest face on the planet but if she has a body not to my liking, I won't be interested in the least.
[QUOTE=Cool;2021441]Last year the Kasalong girls were friendlier than their counterparts at [b]CodeWord900[/b]. I think Kasalong has fresher girls and a slightly better lineup and I noticed the older providers sat on the right side outside. [/QUOTE]Just a little tip. Certain words are edited out by a stupid piece of software. You can mentions Loli-tas in your post, as long as you don't spell it correctly, and similarly for other shop names or somewhat innocuous words. Remember the software comes from the USA, so a bit puritanical.
I believe the main thing is they don't want bible bashing sex watch dogs to be easily able to do web search for the prohibited code words. Can't see anything wrong with this word Loli-tas since it is the name of the shop and the Thai government or police have not forced them to change the name of it. It's just a girl's name after all.
We all know very well there is absolutely no implication that the girls are a bit young at all. Probably have some old bags.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020856]Wow, hot girl. I would not care if the skin was dark or not. Can't see the face but nose looks good.
Go with the flow is far better.[/QUOTE]I liked her skin colour. What I meant in my previous post was that she looked different and more exotic compared to all those white skinned blue eyed big titted young finnish babes I had fucked before.
Nose was small and natural.
Go with the flow is the best way in mongering. I have had the best times when I have least expected and not overplanned. Not when I have walked proudly into one of the hundred Agogo bars thinking that tonight I will take out the sexiest, bustiest, horniest, foxiest and prettiest Isaan babe that has ever walked the Earth. Those nights I have failed miserably.
[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2021608]I liked her skin colour. What I meant in my previous post was that she looked different and more exotic compared to all those white skinned blue eyed big titted young finnish babes I had fucked before.
Nose was small and natural.
Go with the flow is the best way in mongering. I have had the best times when I have least expected and not overplanned. Not when I have walked proudly into one of the hundred Agogo bars thinking that tonight I will take out the sexiest, bustiest, horniest, foxiest and prettiest Isaan babe that has ever walked the Earth. Those nights I have failed miserably.[/QUOTE]Thanks more nice shots. I like to go out with a firm plan to just survey, and look around, and not fuck anyone. Can always change my mind.
I got my last fabulous tits girl accidentally. I had no idea she had such great tits till the conservative clothing came off. Great shame I have no pictures. Tried calling her number again today. Went through to "leave my number" service. I sent her an SMS, but there is no answer, so I suspect she does not use that phone number any more after police raided their Cart bar. If I ever meet her again, I promise to get a picture. I probably have to find one of her co-workers that knows someone who will know how to get in contact with her. Won't be easy. Difficult research.
I believe I went with the girl 2 times. 2nd time, got her contact details thinking all would be well for future meetings. Great girls disappear regularly, and sometimes just cannot find a similar replacement. Magnificent tits are all too rare here on slim cute girls.
Your last pic reminds me of taking a photo of a bargirl 25 years ago on my first trip here. She was sleeping with exactly that pose. I decided to sneak a picture of her while she slept. I pulled the panties to one side to expose her crotch and she did not wake up. Nor did she wake up when the flash went off. No idea if she would have allowed the photo. I believe she cost 500 Baht for the night (not including the barfine). Bargirls were extremely cheap in those days. Not too sure at exactly what point the price jumped, since after that I was not doing any bargirls for a number of years, due to having a GF. I did sneak to Soapy massage places now and then but they had very different pricing that escalated much slower over the years.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2021616]Great shame I have no pictures.
[/QUOTE]ALWAYS take pictures when you see a great body. That's what I do. And I try to post pics as much as possible to back up my mongering stories. Otherwise they are just hot air.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2021595]Yep, and I am the exact opposite. Gal can have the prettiest face on the planet but if she has a body not to my liking, I won't be interested in the least.[/QUOTE]I agree with you here. To find a stunning natural body, that's my challenge in P4P game. If I want to see beautiful faces I'll go for a few beers in a bar or nightclub in Helsinki downtown.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2021556]Many BODY guys will fuck the ugliest faced girl if the body is good. You and I are FACE guys. I don't care if someone has the best body in the world. If the face isn't to my liking I never look at any other part of the girl.[/QUOTE]If I'm deprived & horny enough, I'll fuck almost anything that moves or is dead.
OTOH when I'm extremely spoiled, as after living continuously in LOS or SG for a few weeks or months, I might be ridiculously picky almost to the point that I can't be satisfied with a woman & prefer to wank off alone to porn.
If all a girl has is a hot set of lips and the rest of her face & body is only 5 with 10 being perfect, I've been known to be happy with her. As long as she can give a decent BB BJ.
Ditto if the same girl is a great kisser, or balls ass prostrate body licker.
The seven eleven at the NEP intersection used to have an average looking clerk with hugely large sexy thick lips. I was tempted to ask her over to my hotel next door.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2021592]Body is far more important to me. [/QUOTE]Body is far more important to me when it comes to one night stands. For a long term girlfriend, I want a pretty face and a good body.
[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2021625]ALWAYS take pictures when you see a great body. That's what I do. And I try to post pics as much as possible to back up my mongering stories. Otherwise they are just hot air.[/QUOTE]Yes. Tough to do for a newbie girl that always shyly kept her tits well covered, however I guess can persuade them if the face is omitted. I once had a face mask for girls to wear when posing for naughty pics. However would have been hard to explain to girlfriend what it was doing in my luggage.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2021603]Just a little tip. Certain words are edited out by a stupid piece of software. You can mentions Loli-tas in your post, as long as you don't spell it correctly, and similarly for other shop names or somewhat innocuous words. Remember the software comes from the USA, so a bit puritanical.
I believe the main thing is they don't want bible bashing sex watch dogs to be easily able to do web search for the prohibited code words. Can't see anything wrong with this word Loli-tas since it is the name of the shop and the Thai government or police have not forced them to change the name of it. It's just a girl's name after all.
We all know very well there is absolutely no implication that the girls are a bit young at all. Probably have some old bags.[/QUOTE]The reason some words are banned is the pressure from the credit cards companies who don't want to see their logos or services associated with these banned words, And yes, the credit card companiers don't mind making money out of the websites that are related to these words. Speaking of hypocrisy. . .
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2021616]Thanks more nice shots. I like to go out with a firm plan to just survey, and look around, and not fuck anyone. Can always change my mind.
I got my last fabulous tits girl accidentally. I had no idea she had such great tits till the conservative clothing came off. Great shame I have no pictures. Tried calling her number again today. Went through to "leave my number" service. I sent her an SMS, but there is no answer, so I suspect she does not use that phone number any more after police raided their Cart bar. If I ever meet her again, I promise to get a picture. I probably have to find one of her co-workers that knows someone who will know how to get in contact with her.[/QUOTE]I was there when the raid happened, I have the still working Line ID ofg Bew from Easy Bar if you would like. Maybe she knows what happened to your girl.
[QUOTE=Cool;2021441]I woke up this morning thinking junior could use some relief to brighten his day. Why not head down to Kasalong BJ Bar in Nana between Soi 6/8. When I get there the chief BJ artist who is 2 decades past her prime thinks I'm loss because A. Not white. Not 40-80 years old see. Not desperate. [/QUOTE]You don't want to spend too much time picking in a BJ bar or the girls will write you off thinking you are too picky or a time waster. What I do when I go to a BJ bar is walk up, say Hello, and point at the nearest girl. I don't even talk with the girl I just close my eyes and enjoy the service.
[QUOTE=Goons;2020897]Thanks at Aviator12, at allover. I had never realized these bars served non alcoholic drinks. In the past it was my favorite way of getting sauced while visiting countries that had girlie bars. I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy myself at these places sober, but I'll certainly give it a try. I enjoy sitting around talking to the girls, not always barfining them. From what I've read BKK with all the foot traffic and tourists, is more of a businesslike approach from the girls who move on to the next customer if they don't sense they will be able to close a deal. Hopefully I'm wrong.
For the past few weeks I've been doing on and off research, my focus has been mostly on the bars but it seems I may need to put more effort into reading up on the alternatives especially since I'm no longer into drinking and loud music. I guess BKK is the wrong country to expect a nice quiet girlie bar where I can sit with a girl or two and not be interrupted by too many drunks stumbling in and out throughout the night?
As far as freelance outside Nana (where I'm planning to stay my first night out of convenience), and around Soi 4, how do they compare to bargirls in terms of quality of service? I've read through some older posts and it seems there is no reason to expect the majority of them to be a lower quality just because they are not employed in the slightly more glamorous (compared to standing on the street) setting of a bar with flashing lights and loud music.[/QUOTE]One bar that I remember that would fit this description would be The Den on Soi 12. Unforumtaty I haven't heard much about it lately so it may have retired.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2021919]One bar that I remember that would fit this description would be The Den on Soi 12. Unforumtaty I haven't heard much about it lately so it may have retired.[/QUOTE]The den closed last year I believe.
[QUOTE=BroComplex;2021874] I don't even talk with the girl I just close my eyes and enjoy the service.[/QUOTE]Its been rumored that they switch out the girls with lady boys for guys who do that.
[QUOTE=Goons;2020897]From what I've read BKK with all the foot traffic and tourists, is more of a businesslike approach from the girls who move on to the next customer if they don't sense they will be able to close a deal. Hopefully I'm wrong.
[/QUOTE]The girls work in the bar to make money. They do this by selling drinks or getting barfined. If neither of those is at all likely from the customer, the girl will probably move on, except in the unlikely event he is Bard Pitt. LOL Only the sluttiest girls want to get groped for free. In my case I ignore girls that don't interest me, as I want them to move on quickly. The bar makes it's money by selling drinks and collecting Barfines too. So if you are not doing anything, you become a useless customer, trying to get entertainment for free. A waste of space. Certain stereo types can get told it's "members only" as they are assumed to be likely waste of space customers.
If you want the girl to stay with you, she will if you are nice to her, most likely, but that means buying her a drink. If she is super hot, some other customer may already be on the verge of barfining her, so she may go away quickly, if you are dilly dallying. The girl could spot her regular very generous customer enter the bar, and she will make a bee-line for him, or perhaps make some excuse like she needs to go to the toilet. It never shocks me these days, if I don't BF a hot girl, that she may leave me sooner rather than later.
At Crazy House, ex dancer Donut was pretty and sexy. On some occasions I could catch her arm as she entered CH in plain clothes for work at 9:30 PM, and ask to BF her immediately before some other guy swooped. She never even had a chance to get changed and get on the dance floor. She could still get a drink or two to loosen up. This is an extreme case. However I want newbies to understand, it's not a fair system with rules and protocols to protect the unsuspecting customer. You have to get to the best girl first, and be a preferred customer, or take a less popular girl. Alas Donut is gone (back to her studies), and I don't currently see any girl that always gets taken within 10 minutes these days. So the pressure is less. LOL.
Yet, I recommend to take your time and choose girls wisely. Don't let them choose you. There has to be a balance between getting to a hot girl first, and checking for chemistry, and not making a big mistake. Some girls are sweet, others nasty b*s. These days I rarely take girls for sex, the first time I meet them in a bar. Super hot girls can be exceptions. I at least try to get the pretty girl onto my lap quickly.
My regular girls are not business like by any means. Obviously they want drinks, and to joke around, relieve the stress, get tipsy often. Working the bar can be very boring for girls if they don't find customers to have fun with.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2021698]Body is far more important to me when it comes to one night stands. For a long term girlfriend, I want a pretty face and a good body.[/QUOTE]Well stated. My GF of 10 years has a great face and great body. No baby of course. P4 P, it's all about the bod.
Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.
[QUOTE=Ge148;2022072]Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.[/QUOTE]Stay on Phuket, make day trips to Ao Nang / krabi instead.
[QUOTE=Ge148;2022072]Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.[/QUOTE]I would suggest making this post in the Krabi section. You have not even tried that yet. The Krabi board is slow because there is not much going on there. But there is some action in Ao Nang. I read elsewhere that Krabi town also has action including a soapy. I've never been to Krabi town personally but Maharaj Road is supposedly the place to go in Krabi town.
[QUOTE=Ge148;2022072]Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.[/QUOTE]This is a no brainer. Go to Bangkok, Pattaya, or Pukhet for 3 days. Find yourself a lady friend to accompany you to Krabi in that 3 days and then go together. Secondly, before you arrive, get to know a lady on one of the dating websites such as Thai Friendly and invite her. I like the first option better because you can get to know your lady face to face before committing to a week together.
[QUOTE=Ge148;2022072]Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.[/QUOTE]Ao Nang Krabi has two areas with bars and girls. Soi RCA and also some snooker bars behind the main beach road. My experience was about 7 to 9 years ago. From there you can go on long tail boat trips to small coral islands, and not that far to Koh Phi Phi too. Yes for nature it is way better than Koh Samui, Phuket, and Pattaya, but a lot less bar girls. Both times I went to Ao Nang, I took my own girl with me. One was a Tulip girl, and we had a fantastic time at both Ao Nang and Phi Phi.
Makes the holiday much better when always have a hot body girl with you to play with you in Hotel swimming pool etc.
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I have to admit, I am bored with Koh Samui and Phuket. Don't go there any more. Krabi is very nice. Eat great seafood every night. Yellow curry Crab, etc. Choose a nice Hotel near to beach if possible. Not the absolute cheapest. Flying to Krabi was a lot cheaper than Koh Samui.
Phi Phi Island is much closer to Krabi than to Phuket. So best way to get to Phi Phi is via Krabi.
Don't recommend to stay on Rai-lay beach as it is a bit remotely cut off from other areas and is full of hippie backpackers, and has fresh water limitations. However trips to the stunning Nang Cave beach by long tail boat is a must. Also avoid Krabi in the rainy season. Can pour with rain all day every day. LOL Hopefully you get there sooner rather than rainy season which is probably August (did not check).
I thought Krabi was a really great place to holiday, and yes even has bar girls.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020176]I love a fuck in the morning myself. However bargirls are unreliable. If you make arrangement for the next day, they likely won't show up, unless very high money offered. [/QUOTE]Every man who still has some testosterone running in his blood likes a morning fuck. And if you have had a few drinks the night before, even better. Nothing beats a hangover fuck in the morning.
My experience lately in Thailand has been that even the LT booked girls will likely to leave latest at 6. 00 in the morning. Sometimes even earlier. Too early to really enjoy a morning fuck. Even if you offer a lot of money they will most likely have some excuse to leave so early. I don't know if things are better in other Asian countries like in the Philippines or Indonesia in this respect.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020176]I never drink alcohol before sex (almost never).[/QUOTE]2-3 drinks before fucking is the optimal amount for me to enhance all my senses and boost my cock's performance.
[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2022346]
2-3 drinks before fucking is the optimal amount for me to enhance all my senses and boost my cock's performance.[/QUOTE]A Japanese buddy of mine used to drink quite a bit before going with a girl. He said it improved his performance, because he would take longer to cum. Without the alcohol, would pop far too quick. This is really bad for case of girls giving just one pop. The old saying about how quick Japanese pop, did apply in his case.
In my case, I am low on sensitivity and I take a long time to pop. Any alcohol, could only make that worse. Dulls the feeling a bit. One or two drinks, I can get away with. Any more could cause too much dulling of the feeling. So I fuck first, and drink later. That is much safer.
A certain amount of alcohol for the ladies is good, to dull their inhibitions.
Had a look in a few gogo bars tonight. The good thing was that none of the bars I visited seemed to have large quantities of silicones or nose jobs. The bad thing is it's Songkran. Bar line ups are quite depleted.
In order from best bar / girls to worst.
1. Twisters. Low number of girls compared to normal. Plenty of very good bodies, as far as can see them. Crappy tits can be well hidden by multi-layer bras and padding. Pretty faces a bit limited. Some topless girls. No magnificent tits on display.
2. Crazy House. None of my regular girls present. Line up well down. At least girls are nude, so can see which girls have really good tits. No really pretty faces today, for my spec. For others yes.
Equal third:
3. Lighthouse. Reasonably sizable array of girls over dressed. No pretty faces. Bodies so so.
3. Suzie Wong. Some topless girls. Girls naked for shows. All my old favourites missing. Lots of new girls. No one that special. Bodies soso.
3. Diamonds (Nana). Mediocre array of girls, some topless. Bodies soso.
Twisters and crazy house were a cut above the others as girls had good slim bodies, maybe a just a few had bigger tits. The other bars tended to have more lousy figures, unless you like "voluptuous" girls (I really mean overweight). Even the Coyote girls at Diamonds and Lighthouse were not very special.
It's no coincidence that the 3 lower rated bars were all less full in terms of customers. Probably all 3 bars are struggling. Crazy House was the most full for customers.
Nothing very exciting found. Just a way to waste time and money. Freelancers in Soi 4 were of moderate interest. Thought about taking a deaf girl.
I really hate girls wearing multilayered hard bras, with padding underneath, that push up high the very small amount of tit girls have, and make them look like Ccups when they are really almost nothing and maybe quite saggy as well. This level of covering used to be only prevalent with Coyotes I think, but bars are full of this now. There is a very good reason for choosing topless girls, or after the girl gets tipsy, take her top off in the bar. I don't mind ACups if they look pretty and not saggy. Just don't want surprises.
The next thing I want to do in a bar, before taking the girl, is try to get a bit of a kiss. If she does that nicely, that goes a long way to convince me.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2022485]Had a look in a few gogo bars tonight. The good thing was that none of the bars I visited seemed to have large quantities of silicones or nose jobs. The bad thing is it's Songkran. Bar line ups are quite depleted.
In order from best bar / girls to worst.
1. Twisters. Low number of girls compared to normal. Plenty of very good bodies, as far as can see them. Crappy tits can be well hidden by multi-layer bras and padding. Pretty faces a bit limited. Some topless girls. No magnificent tits on display.
2. Crazy House. None of my regular girls present. Line up well down. At least girls are nude, so can see which girls have really good tits. No really pretty faces today, for my spec. For others yes.
Equal third:
3. Lighthouse. Reasonably sizable array of girls over dressed. No pretty faces. Bodies so so.
3. Suzie Wong. Some topless girls. Girls naked for shows. All my old favourites missing. Lots of new girls. No one that special. Bodies soso.
3. Diamonds (Nana). Mediocre array of girls, some topless. Bodies soso.
Twisters and crazy house were a cut above the others as girls had good slim bodies, maybe a just a few had bigger tits. The other bars tended to have more lousy figures, unless you like "voluptuous" girls (I really mean overweight). Even the Coyote girls at Diamonds and Lighthouse were not very special.
It's no coincidence that the 3 lower rated bars were all less full in terms of customers. Probably all 3 bars are struggling. Crazy House was the most full for customers.
Nothing very exciting found. Just a way to waste time and money. Freelancers in Soi 4 were of moderate interest. Thought about taking a deaf girl.
I really hate girls wearing multilayered hard bras, with padding underneath, that push up high the very small amount of tit girls have, and make them look like Ccups when they are really almost nothing and maybe quite saggy as well. This level of covering used to be only prevalent with Coyotes I think, but bars are full of this now. There is a very good reason for choosing topless girls, or after the girl gets tipsy, take her top off in the bar. I don't mind ACups if they look pretty and not saggy. Just don't want surprises.
The next thing I want to do in a bar, before taking the girl, is try to get a bit of a kiss. If she does that nicely, that goes a long way to convince me.[/QUOTE]Did you notice if the ladies were being hired for their services from the bars? I'm wondering if the constant increase in prices has had an effect on most guys not willing to pay 4 or 5 thousand baht to get layed. A year ago I noticed guys pulling the ladies out of CH at a steady pace, but in Jan when I was there it seems very slow. Your opinion will be appreciated as usual.
RL.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2022583]Question, Were The Ladies Being Taken Away?[/QUOTE]They leave for Songkran. Even many shops closed for the week.
The S2O festival was on last night too. Any party girl would have been at that. Surprised Syzy wasn't there!
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2022583]Did you notice if the ladies were being hired for their services from the bars? I'm wondering if the constant increase in prices has had an effect on most guys not willing to pay 4 or 5 thousand baht to get layed. A year ago I noticed guys pulling the ladies out of CH at a steady pace, but in Jan when I was there it seems very slow. Your opinion will be appreciated as usual.
RL.[/QUOTE]Yes I did see a few ladies getting barfined at CH and Twisters in particular. Less so at the other 3 bars, where the girl quality to my eye was lower and the number of customers lower.
Yes I agree that to a certain extent bargirls are pricing themselves out of the market. When a fairly ordinary bargirl wants 3000 baht, then the guy has to pay a barfine and some drinks maybe, the guy could argue, he may as well go get a costly stunner at The Lord Soapy or take an Escort.
The first girl I ever barfined at Twisters priced herself at 2 K Baht, and was a very good experience, tits fairly small, but I liked her look, but there is always pressure from peer girls for all girls to price themselves higher. Most girls in CH ask for 3 K, but don't always get it. Tougher customers will pay lower, but probably most girls are not accepting 2 K. 2. 5 K is a common price too. I don't know everything about lowest prices, because I am not bargaining with the uglier types of girls. I tend to be going for the cream, to my spec. The difference between me and other punters is quite marked though.
I will take a slim cute girl, possibly small natural tits no sage, cute little upturned nose preferred. Natty takes pretty much the same type of girl, other guys go for a much more raunchy type of girl, possibly with implants, not too worried about pretty face, etc. Some guys like girls with a lot more meat on them. I don't see Indian guys taking skinny girls much. Most of my girls get mostly Farang customers, skin does not have to be so white, but not all. Naam at CH mostly went with Korean or Japanese guys, however she was one of borderline girls in terms of attitude. She did not like to fuck long duration. Ha ha. That maybe why she likes Asians. LOL.
The advantage for me at CH, has been being able to see the girl nude, or possibly covering up a little but still seeing her ass and pussy and able to check out the tits when she sits on your lap. Girl sitting on lap is a good time to assess the chemistry. If not convinced by her attitude, can simply decide not to BF her. This means I have not selected any really bad bargirls for many months. Got lucky, although, I admit I am mostly doing repeat girls. The few non repeat girls all worked out okay At least, one I probably would not repeat, as just not quite worth the money, level of GFE a bit weak. Others were all repeatable. This means despite paying more, I have less risk of a bad session.
It still hurts other day to pay a mid range price for Soapy girl, and get a girl so non relaxed on the bed squirming around, that never even got to fuck her or take a BBBJ. I just wasn't going to get hard with a girl so non co-operative. So money wasted. With bargirls I have not had any lately where did not get at least a satisfactory fuck, to a really nice one.
I have done rather few bargirl sessions for the year. Price is going to be a factor. I know where I can get good cheaper fucks. However I will take girls that I like a lot.
Have also done rather few MP girls. The MP girls were generally more disappointing. My choices are probably worse. Don't have the chance to spend time with the girl first, to see if we really click, to see if she likes to kiss, to see ask what type of dick she likes, see how great the full body is, etc. Best MP girl I had this year was probably Prae at Mango. Great body and great attitude with enthusiasm. Her pussy was right for me. We obviously clicked for the chemistry. However this is luck and not guaranteed. Others thought Prae was so-so. Probably not PSE.
I am taking much more sessions with my regular girls on private bookings contacted via LINE App. Usually use ST Hotels or cheap Hotels for whole night. So I get more time for my money with these girls.
Sometimes when you get used to a small number of girls that are really excellent fucks, it is hard to pay higher money and risk having a more ordinary fuck.
Some guys are on holiday in Thailand and doing multiple fucks per day and have a very high sex budget. They don't care if bargirls cost a bit. I used to take two girls at a time quite regularly from Suzi Wong a few years back, so cost was very high in many drinks, 2 barfines and pay each girl. I don't do that any more, but it was fun, just very expensive fun. Could have quite a few freelancer fucks for the same price.
So the behavior of sex punters varies greatly depending on whether they have a conserve money attitude, or not.
Business in all the bars seems more sedate this year. Could be partly due to decline in quality of the girls at certain bars and also due to bars being less packed out with customers. Have visited a few bars, formerly very busy, but then quite dead, e. G. Mardarin Upstairs, Long Gun, etc.
If bars keep declining and prices keep being too high, then the bars will gradually die out. So many changes of name or ownership in Nana and Cowboy bars indicate bars are struggling.
I don't see how bars can survive if they don't get good quality girls. Plenty of bar closures. Candyland did not do well. Taken over by rainbow 5. A very reduced shrunken version of Rainbow 4. Twisters took over RB4 (and it improved a lot for me). Hot Lips became Candyland 2, and now is Diamonds, but still not doing much better.
Billboard was greatly revived by getting some better girls. Jailbirdz renamed to Butterflies. Not sure if that helps?
The whole gogo bar scene is in decline is pretty much a normal view. Too many surgery girls, many bars lacking slim girls, too many Ladyboy bars coming in, too many Coyote bars coming in. Prices too high. Too many ordinary girls wanting 3 K for a short time, that won't be worth it. I don't know how often they get it. Meanwhile MP girls maybe be making just 1200 to 1300 per session, and freelancers 1 K to 1500, or in Thermae they get maybe 2 k to 2. 5 K and perhaps have a Farang surcharge. I don't know much about LT prices as I don't take new girls for LT and have not taken a bargirl for LT for quite a while.
I am pretty depressed about the whole bar scene and yet I am a guy who prefers bargirls. So obviously those that hate bar girls would paint a very bleak picture indeed. To get on well with bargirls, you need to have a very relaxed fun attitude I think, but at the same time I have a very aloof distant attitude with any girls that try to come to me unrequested. I also act with complete disinterest to staff trying to suggest girls for me.
I was very surprised in Suzie Wong, that staff that know me well were making so many efforts to suggest girls that might be my spec. It wasn't too pushy, but just boring. They should be just leaving me to look for myself. I did not see anything outstanding that I fancied.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2022597]They leave for Songkran. Even many shops closed for the week.
The S2O festival was on last night too. Any party girl would have been at that. Surprised Syzy wasn't there![/QUOTE]Really? I am not party animal. I don't really know the details of the S2O festival and what types of music to expect.
I hardly ever go to discos. I hate DJs in general and their whole craft of blending songs and messing with the music. Getting 20 seconds of one thing then changing to another. Some discos hardly even have actual songs. I am too old and not liking most modern stuff. Banging and screeching and short on actual music. I come from the Rock era. My favourite music is probably "New Age" and that type is never performed. I also like fast Latin music. I quite liked to go see the Philippine band at CheckInn99, doing a broad range of popular songs, from rock era or before to present.
I would go to a music performance, if with a girl who wanted to go, and they had some really top Thai artists on. I have been to some really crap bands performing in various venues including RCA. Did not enjoy the band at Bangkok Beat. At Corner bar also very so-so, but better. At Stumble Inn last night band was doing a lot of Beatles stuff, a bit too old for me. Most places have sound quality a bit off.
I did enjoy one of my visits to Thai entertainment venue Saeng Jan. It depends greatly on the quality of the performers. I do enjoy dancing with bargirls late at night when DJ switches to some Thai "Mor Ram" type of stuff or comedy Thai songs, and girls inebriated. Of course you have to speak Thai to understand any of the lyrics for funny Thai smart-ass songs. I hate all the slow sad Thai songs.
Some of the former cart-bars used to put on a good mix of music usually chosen by the girls or customers.
The end of street food in Bangkok?
[URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-15/bangkok-street-food-vendors-forced-to-move-by-thai-government/8407610[/URL]
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2022737]The end of street food in Bangkok?
[URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-15/bangkok-street-food-vendors-forced-to-move-by-thai-government/8407610[/URL][/QUOTE]A Magnum Big M Tiramisu ice-cream costs 50 Baht. Thais eat an entire meal at a food cart for 50 Baht or less.
Many Thais do not prepare their own food that often. It is cheaper to eat from street vendors. I never got sick from fresh street vendor food (don't buy from a back Soi cart lacking customers though). Did get sick in Thailand from restaurants.
The entire population of Thailand is living largely off street food, including myself when too lazy to cook on induction cooker, which has been the case last few days. Street Food cannot be wiped out totally. I usually buy several meals at a time from street vendors, put in fridge, and they get reheated in microwave. I have an induction cooker as well for doing very fast fry or stir fry of fresh produce. Advantage of making food yourself, is you have control to keep out junk chemical ingredients. At a street vendor, you have to know what prepared stuff has no sugar, or remind the maker, not to put in MSG and sugar, and keep salt, garlic, and chilies down and any other things I don't like. More difficult for most if the vendor has no English.
Certain streets are being cleaned out. I am not so familiar with those streets being closed from street vendors, so don't understand the problems.
Would not worry me if street vendors were cleaned out of lower Sukhumvit and forced into the small Sois so I could walk through there quickly without having to walk on the road. I suppose it would lose a lot of its dubious character there. I prefer street food stalls over junk merchandise sellers. Also prefer cart bars after midnight. LOL.
Love to get a Phat Thai or Hoi Thort (fried Mussels in egg batter with bean shoots) at food carts, or Kai Yang (grilled chicken), Khao Niaow Mamuang (Mango and sticky rice) at food carts. These surely cannot possibly be stamped out. Would cause a people's revolution against the government. Noodle carts are the staple diet of Thais whether soup noodles, Yen Ta Foh, Khao Soy, Guay Jap, Lart Naa, BaMee, or Phat Thai. Thais cannot survive without these cheap meal alternatives. The names of these common noodle dishes cannot be translated into English with any useful recognition or meaning, so I did not attempt it. You just have to know what the street vendor dishes are like by the Thai name (in some cases it is a borrowed Chinese name).
Today, total cost of my meals was between 100 and 150 Baht, including microwaved breakfast Oats, home filtered coffees, and street vendor chicken plus another street vendor veg soup with pork. I am trying to keep the weight down, so don't eat too much. Without street vendors, I would have to go get the equivalent at Tesco Lotus supermarket, or food court. More inconvenient. Have to eat every day so I prefer to keep the food cost down most days, and use money for my favourite hobby. LOL
Can't get an orgasm from expensive food. LOL Is a great meal more pleasurable than a great fuck? never. O.K. Better than a bad fuck.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2022737]The end of street food in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]It is definitely a trend. For example, on Soi 19 there were many street food vendors which have been swept away since the end of 2016. This has been the visible trend along Sukhimvit for all forms of street vendors, not just food carts. It is all part of the continuing gentrification which is done under the guise of clearing the walkways which are public from private uses. Even though there has been a big clearance, there are still plenty of open-air places to buy grotty Thai food, squeezed juice, ED drugs, DVDs, etc.
I personally LOVE the clearance of Sukhimvit as I can now walk up to Soi 4 at pace now that 70% of the walkway is not infested with junk stalls. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
[QUOTE=AsianRain;2022772]It is definitely a trend. For example, on Soi 19 there were many street food vendors which have been swept away since the end of 2016. [/QUOTE]The very best Gai Yang (BBQed chicken) I ever had was a stand on NE corner of Sukhumvit 19 and cross street Suk 21 Soi 1. Would be very sad if that was gone. I used to be prepared to travel more than 1 km to get their chicken, even when not staying at Grand Mercure Hotel. Could get Som Tam salad and sticky rice too, but was not so interested in that.
Perhaps "Grotty" is best applied to stands selling fried bugs? or the Soi 4 hamburger stand whose meat patties don't look exactly like meat. Poor quality equals almost no customers any more, since the stand was taken over by stupid people.
Has anyone tried the taco stand in the car park of the Nana Hotel? I do love tacos but I'm afraid of what would be served here. One time late at night on Soi 8 I went into the restaurant closest to Sukhumvit and ordered chicken fried rice. As that humorous fortune cookie states "That was not chicken".
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;2022737]The end of street food in Bangkok?
[URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-15/bangkok-street-food-vendors-forced-to-move-by-thai-government/8407610[/URL][/QUOTE]
What the heck are you doing posting this in the Bangkok reports thread? It. Elongated in the General thread with all the other sad drivel.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2023063]What the heck are you doing posting this in the Bangkok reports thread? It. Elongated in the General thread with all the other sad drivel.[/QUOTE]Well to be fair, it is a report about Bangkok.
What are the best no smoking go go bars in Bangkok at the moment? It was bliss straight after they introduced the smoking ban but then bars slowly started to ignore it. Are there any no smoking bars left?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2023072]Well to be fair, it is a report about Bangkok.[/QUOTE]It's one poster only who complains about stuff like that because he likes scoring cheap points.
He also posts about Songkran and other useless stuff like that.
My post is highly relevant to Bangkok.
If the thread was "Bangkok Bars" it would be another thing.
No worries anyway. It's like water off a duck's back to me.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2023063]What the heck are you doing posting this in the Bangkok reports thread? It. Elongated in the General thread with all the other sad drivel.[/QUOTE]Why are you always such an asshole, Bkkdog? Try relax a little bit.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2023013]Has anyone tried the taco stand in the car park of the Nana Hotel? I do love tacos but I'm afraid of what would be served here.[/QUOTE]I have seen the food truck, but not tried the product. They don't really seem to do much of a business from what I see, but you can give it a try. If you really have a taco fix, you can walk 5 min to Sunrise Tacos on the corner of Soi 7/1 (shared with the Subway franchise) and get their Cowboy Tacos. I have been to their outlet in Terminal 21 several times and never had issues even when I order fresh toppings like guacamole or sour cream. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2023013]Has anyone tried the taco stand in the car park of the Nana Hotel? I do love tacos but I'm afraid of what would be served here.[/QUOTE]FYI If you want a high quality taco feast: Sunrise Taco at T21 has all-you-can-eat soft tacos Tuesday and Friday 2 pm to 7 pm for 350 baht. Delicious fresh ingredients. Food coma nirvana!
SL.
[QUOTE=AsianRain;2023125]I have seen the food truck, but not tried the product. They don't really seem to do much of a business from what I see, but you can give it a try. If you really have a taco fix, you can walk 5 min to Sunrise Tacos on the corner of Soi 7/1 (shared with the Subway franchise) and get their Cowboy Tacos. I have been to their outlet in Terminal 21 several times and never had issues even when I order fresh toppings like guacamole or sour cream. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]I still haven't tried the truck in Nana parking lot yet either. I kept forgetting it was there. The other night I saw they now have a lighted sign on the corner of the building where the pharmacy is, right around the corner from the truck and it can be seen up and down Soi 4. So their business ought to pick up.
LOL. Wouldn't exactly be an appetizing selling point now that I think of it: "Come Try Our Mexican Food! Just Spitting Distance From Soi Nana's Best Stocked Pharmacy!"
I think the reason I haven't tried their food is because they don't sell guacamole. I'm one of those guys who likes to add it to tacos, burritos, quesadillas, almost everything. A couple of times I have asked for it, the lady says no, I register my disappointment, suggest she add it to the menu and move on without buying anything. Apparently my interest in guacamole hasn't inspired her to add it.
Speaking of which, that is one of the things I like about the Sunrise Tacos chain you mentioned. They have very good guacamole and understand the value of it to many with a desire for Mexican food in that they feature a small bowl of it as a 95 baht "Add Guacamole" item on their menu. I prefer Sunrise Tacos' food to La Monita's, which many others prefer. However, the 60 baht rice pudding dessert at La Monita's restaurant location in Mahattun Plaza on the even side of the Ploen Chit bts station is an awesome good dessert for a pittance.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2023063]What the heck are you doing posting this in the Bangkok reports thread? It. Elongated in the General thread with all the other sad drivel.[/QUOTE]It's a great pity we don't have two threads. Bangkok Mongering Only thread, and Bangkok Non-mongering thread. We can only encourage non-mongering topics to go in the General Thread.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2023181]It's a great pity we don't have two threads. Bangkok Mongering Only thread, and Bangkok Non-mongering thread. We can only encourage non-mongering topics to go in the General Thread.[/QUOTE]Would it count if Red Kilt had started his post with, "Sad news for those of us who need a quick pad Thai take away as we're escorting our barfined go-go dancer to the nearest Short Time hotel. The end of street food in Bangkok?"
[URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-1...rnment/8407610[/URL]
And if I had started my previous post with, "Last night I was chatting up a freelancer standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign when it occurred to me that I still haven't tried the truck in Nana parking lot yet either"?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2023072]Well to be fair, it is a report about Bangkok.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2023099]It's one poster only who complains about stuff like that because he likes scoring cheap points.
He also posts about Songkran and other useless stuff like that.
My post is highly relevant to Bangkok.
If the thread was "Bangkok Bars" it would be another thing.
No worries anyway. It's like water off a duck's back to me.[/QUOTE]Please post the link to one post I made about Songkran other than answering another member's question about what massage shop he should go to on a seven hour lay over during Songkran. All my posts are relevant to mongering topics and not about street food. So who are you talking about? Goats was sticking up for you lol. It was me who was asking why on earth you would post that in the Bangkok reports thread which is reserved for mongering topics. There is a general thread for this useless drivel, a hotel thread for discussing hotels, a photo thread for posting photos, a photo discussion thread for photo comments, and political thread for discussing politics, a Thailand expats forum for members who live in Thailand, and ......... I think you get the point. These categories are there for a reason right? Or was Jackson just dreaming when he made them up. I used to love it when Jackson would interrupt the useless drivel with his message saying that the forum is for discussing mongering in Thailand and let's get back to discussing it. Alas, even he has given up.
Imagine if we just had a thread for each city. The members would have to weed through so much krap, they would never be able to read any reports. Give it a rest man. Anyways, at least you post mongering reports sometimes so I apologize for taking out my frustration on you.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2023199]Would it count if Red Kilt had started his post with, "Sad news for those of us who need a quick pad Thai take away as we're escorting our barfined go-go dancer to the nearest Short Time hotel. The end of street food in Bangkok?"
[URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-1...rnment/8407610[/URL]
And if I had started my previous post with, "Last night I was chatting up a freelancer standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign when it occurred to me that I still haven't tried the truck in Nana parking lot yet either"?[/QUOTE]
Mr. Tooms. You are always posting good reports as well, but please realize my points and post your reports in the apppropraite thread.
[QUOTE=AskeAske;2015456]Mbsl65, what is wrong with you???? The Philippines Photo Gallery is the best on ISG. Why do you want to destroy it? Back out. Stop your nonsense now.[/QUOTE]
As for you AskeAske. You get upset in the Philippines photo thread when members don't post photos and try to say it's not an ISG rule to post comments in the photo thread. What's the difference? Give your head a shake man. Think twice the next time you swear at me from behind your keyboard or phone screen. Good luck to you mate!
[QUOTE=*****man;2023074]What are the best no smoking go go bars in Bangkok at the moment? It was bliss straight after they introduced the smoking ban but then bars slowly started to ignore it. Are there any no smoking bars left?[/QUOTE]
And finally whooorman. You know I love you man. Ever since Ninja at Sniw White told me she was in love with you, I knew you were the read deal. I could never get angry with you mate. You can post where ever you like about whatever you want. That's freakin hilarious. Last time I was in Climax I didn't smell any smoke. Lol 😂
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2023181]It's a great pity we don't have two threads. Bangkok Mongering Only thread, and Bangkok Non-mongering thread. We can only encourage non-mongering topics to go in the General Thread.[/QUOTE]Also don't forget the primary one as it currently stands The Theory Of Mongering.
[QUOTE=*****man;2023074]What are the best no smoking go go bars in Bangkok at the moment? It was bliss straight after they introduced the smoking ban but then bars slowly started to ignore it. Are there any no smoking bars left?[/QUOTE]I came home from recent mini gogo bar tour stinking of smoke on the clothes. I did not really pay attention if any had no smoking (sort of doubt it), but Crazy House has always been the worst bar for smoke (most customers smoking) and loud music (although less loud than a disco). CH never stopped smoking for even a moment. Try to stop all the Japanese from smoking. LOL. The girls have to go outside to smoke.
Today I find out a Soi 4 street girl I fancied, with big sexy lips and busty, but did not yet actually session, is now in Angel Witch. That will make me think twice about doing her. Her price has probably gone up about 1K or more and add to that a BF and drinks. She isn't nearly as appealing now. I suppose I can have a look at her more scantily clad at least, and reassess. Haven't been in Angel W for years. Was too boring last time.
My Thailand travel.
I had scheduled a ski trip with some buddies it was supposed to be a 10 day trip. I haven't gone with them in 2 seasons and I was overdue for a break from the wife. She goes on girl trips herself so it was normal for us. I got thinking and scheduled a trip to Thailand instead but told the wife I was going skiing. I had reserved 4 nights in Bangkok and 3 nights in Pattaya. The flight was awesome but long and transfers and customs was great but I also read up on it. I was really feeling the jet lag especially after staying up all night when I first got there, Wow this place is great. I visited Thermae bar the 2 nights I was there. I walked around a lot and explored the crazy busy city.
So the hard part was when I would chat and text with the wife and the juggling of the time zones the one in Bangkok the one in Eastern coast US and where I was supposed to be in Pacific coast. Well my conscience got the best of me and I bought a one way to catch up with my buddies and make it good. It cost me a lot of $ but I am glad I got the chance to see the city. It was a stressful but enlightening adventure I will be back on better terms some day.
Thanks for the great tips and info on this site.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2023200]
And finally whooorman. You know I love you man. Ever since Ninja at Sniw White told me she was in love with you, I knew you were the read deal. I could never get angry with you mate. You can post where ever you like about whatever you want. That's freakin hilarious. Last time I was in Climax I didn't smell any smoke. Lol 😂[/QUOTE]Climax was even worse than the gogos last time I was there. It's no laughing matter as the stench and health risks of passive smoking stop me going to these places. Ninja feels the same way so I hope you don't smoke with her in the room.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2023311]I came home from recent mini gogo bar tour stinking of smoke on the clothes. I did not really pay attention if any had no smoking (sort of doubt it), but Crazy House has always been the worst bar for smoke (most customers smoking) and loud music (although less loud than a disco). CH never stopped smoking for even a moment. Try to stop all the Japanese from smoking. LOL. The girls have to go outside to smoke.
Today I find out a Soi 4 street girl I fancied, with big sexy lips and busty, but did not yet actually session, is now in Angel Witch. That will make me think twice about doing her. Her price has probably gone up about 1K or more and add to that a BF and drinks. She isn't nearly as appealing now. I suppose I can have a look at her more scantily clad at least, and reassess. Haven't been in Angel W for years. Was too boring last time.[/QUOTE]I hate that stench of smoke when I get home, not only on the clothes but even sticking to the hands and arms. I'm sure I'm not the only one who stays away from bars because of this. Is it true that Baccara is no smoking downstairs but smoking upstairs?
[QUOTE=*****man;2023495]Climax was even worse than the gogos last time I was there. It's no laughing matter as the stench and health risks of passive smoking stop me going to these places. Ninja feels the same way so I hope you don't smoke with her in the room.
I hate that stench of smoke when I get home, not only on the clothes but even sticking to the hands and arms. I'm sure I'm not the only one who stays away from bars because of this. Is it true that Baccara is no smoking downstairs but smoking upstairs?[/QUOTE]With you 100%. I avoid places that allow smoking inside as well. It irritates my sinuses to no end. Of course no venue is supposed to allow it but TIT.
Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.
[QUOTE=NRockefeller;2023786]Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.[/QUOTE]Please define what "safe" and "riskiness" means for you.
SL.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2023799]Please define what "safe" and "riskiness" means for you.
SL.[/QUOTE]Materially more likely to have an STD or rob you, when compared to freelancers at Thermae or an after-hours club. Understand that the risks are inherent with anyone but obviously some more than others.
[QUOTE=NRockefeller;2023786]Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.[/QUOTE]These are the notable risks I have experienced:
Watch out for high numbers of ladyboys. The real girls probably have natural tits.
The price is low so means the girl is expecting a quick session not going the full hour. Getting a GFE is not easy if first time taking that girl.
The girl may have significant body problems covered up by the clothes. Badly sunken saggy tits is most common, and baby Caesarian scars or bad belly stretch marks.
The deaf girls there communicate basics by typing on the phone screen.
Competition is tough at Thermae so girls may consider it is too difficult to get a customer there especially if they are not type likely to appeal to Japanese. For western guys, I don't see that Thermae is much lower risk of getting less than great session, but price is higher. So tend to prefer to go the cheaper Soi 4 street option, which does have the odd girl of reasonable natural looks especially at 1 AM. If the girl is not great, can go back and get another one.
The girls outside of Nana love to have repeat customers. Rumours may spread that you are a good customer or a bad customer very quickly among the girls. Does not guarantee the next girl will perform any good though. Some of them are really crap. It's a gamble.
I have not been robbed nor caught an STD. I worried about STDs, use a condom is obvious. I choose where I take the girl usually. The real girls are mostly trustworthy, since they work the same place repeatedly, but no guaranties are possible.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2024024]
The girl may have significant body problems covered up by the clothes. Badly sunken saggy tits is most common, and baby Caesarian scars or bad belly stretch marks.[/QUOTE]So true. That Gek chick who hangs out there in front of nana all the time has a pretty face, and she looks great in clothes. But saggy tits, caesarian scar and bad belly stretch marks. Good attitude though.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2024119]So true. That Gek chick who hangs out there in front of nana all the time has a pretty face, and she looks great in clothes. But saggy tits, caesarian scar and bad belly stretch marks. Good attitude though.[/QUOTE]I had to look up dictionary. Is "Gek" slang for Crazy (originating from Dutch)? The pics are a bit blurred for me to recognise her. It's not Joom by any chance? (I have not seen Joom naked only talked to her since she is there every day literally - she was a little too thick for me in the waist). Face and tits looks sort of consistent.
I saw a pic of a strong good looking Thai guy on one girl's phone. I thought was the girl's husband or BF. She explained was her son aged 16 or so but looking a bit older. LOL She had the baby quite young and now mid 30s. LOL
[QUOTE=NRockefeller;2023786]Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.[/QUOTE]Never had an issue with a Nana parking lot or Nana area girl. Biggest issue for me is quite a few have had babies, with all the markings once you get them undressed. I ask the girls point blank. If they have a baby and they don't have an obvious paunch, I ask if their body is still good. If they say okay (one girl insisted she was "still good" and hiked up her shirt to show her belly), then I make a call whether I want to go ahead. There is no legislating for girls who are lazy / poor performers, but then again any venue has that risk. Be sure to report how your trip goes and good luck. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
I am planning for a short trip to Bkk on May. I am a frequent traveler. I had good experience starting from Darling massage, Freelancer at Ambassador hotel.
I need to know, how's the situation now. And what are the good Spa s with cute girls at reasonable rate?
Thanks in advanced.
[QUOTE=NRockefeller;2023912]Materially more likely to have an STD or rob you, when compared to freelancers at Thermae or an after-hours club. Understand that the risks are inherent with anyone but obviously some more than others.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone compiled any meaningful statistics on these risks and the place where the girl is plying her trade. Personally I'd be more wary for an STD with a "non pro" freelancer girl who may be less likely to take good care of her main asset than a full pro whose only income is her body.
Taking the usual precautions is anyhow always advisable.
[QUOTE=Tokjhal;2024244]I am planning for a short trip to Bkk on May. I am a frequent traveler. I had good experience starting from Darling massage, Freelancer at Ambassador hotel.
I need to know, how's the situation now. And what are the good Spa s with cute girls at reasonable rate?
Thanks in advanced.[/QUOTE]Oh again! Give it a rest and RTFF! Post something from your frequent traveller log.
[QUOTE=Tokjhal;2024244]I am planning for a short trip to Bkk on May. I am a frequent traveler. I had good experience starting from Darling massage, Freelancer at Ambassador hotel.
I need to know, how's the situation now. And what are the good Spa s with cute girls at reasonable rate?
Thanks in advanced.[/QUOTE]That totally depends on what you consider "good", "cute" and "reasonable".
Check out the threads on massageplaces and this Bangkok forum. Read the last 30 pages or so and you'll be as knowledgeable as anyone.
[QUOTE=Tokjhal;2024244]I am planning for a short trip to Bkk on May. I am a frequent traveler. I had good experience starting from Darling massage, Freelancer at Ambassador hotel. [/QUOTE]I cannot see any reports from you yet about your "good experience from Darling massage" or the freelancer at Ambassador.
You will get more replies to your request if you "give back" as well as "ask and take".
Okay, it wasn't really even a full night. Plane landed at 10:30 pm and I didn't get through customs until midnight. Changed $200 US and headed for the Taxi queue. Just my luck, taxi didn't speak English and the hotel didn't answer to give an address or directions, so the taxi dropped me off at a hotel with a similar name. I was staying at Asoke Suites, he dropped me at Sukhumvit Suites near the Asok station. I think he also overcharged me for the toll road (is it 25 baht or 75 baht?) he also charged me an extra 50 baht as an airport fee? The only plus was he took some back road where there were 15 to 20 working girls standing around. If he spoke English I would've asked him to stop so I could talk to them but I didn't get a chance. Just a mental note for next time. Anyone know what road it was? It was near Sukhumvit / Terminal 21 / Asok. Didn't find out I was at the wrong hotel until I tried to check in and the girl at the desk told me I'd have to drag my suitcase up the metro ramp and down to get to the other side of the street.
Night kept going downhill from there. I later found out Asoke Suites is a short time hotel? Explains why my shower still had water on the floor. Tiny hotel, small rooms, and my room was next to the trash bin. Not sure if the trash bin was causing the smell or the sewage smell was from the shower, but I do not recommend ASOKE Suites. Luckily I used reward points to get the room for free and it was only for a couple hours until my bus to Pattaya. Finally checked in around 1 am and went to Soi Cowboy. Maybe it was the jet lag, but it seemed like every girl was young, slender and beautiful. It could also be I had spent two weeks in Manila and Angeles and had become accustomed to the dark brown tan and my eyes and brain didn't believe what I was seeing. I was dragged into a bar (don't remember the name) by two girls in their early twenties. Both were very cute and wearing see thru lingerie. They ordered a bunch of shots and were groping me non-stop. I asked about the bar fine and that's when they told me they only drink and dance. That was an expensive 3000 baht Unhappy ending HJ. Went to another bar and by this time the lack of sleep and alcohol had the room spinning. Since I didn't have enough cash for a bar fine and I was too tired / wasted to get it up, I just grabbed two more girls for drinks and groping until the bar closed at 3 am? At least they didn't order shots so it was only around 2000 baht. Went back to my hotel and passed out.
That's not even the end of my troubles. I had booked the Bell Shuttle to Pattaya, but in my delirium I booked it for the day before. When the pick up time passed, I checked my ticket and finally realized it was for the wrong day. Great, another 400 baht wasted. Decided to check Uber, it was 1800 baht to Pattaya. Debated trying to make it the bus terminal before the 1 pm Bell bus left or catching the next one, but the way things were going I decided to just go with the sure thing. First driver said 4 minutes away then it turned in to 20 minutes so I canceled (there was a 100 baht cancellation charge.) Second driver said 6 minutes away, which turned into 20 minutes again. This time I just waited. Finally made it to Pattaya. Just felt like Karma wanted me to give away all my money so I tipped the driver 500 baht (also felt bad that he would have to drive all the way back to Bangkok, plus the tolls he paid coming and would pay going back).
Karma got one last kick in, my hotel wanted a 1000 baht deposit. I only had 500, luckily the guy at the desk took pity and took my 500. Rest of my report will be in the Pattaya section.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2024428]I cannot see any reports from you yet about your "good experience from Darling massage" or the freelancer at Ambassador.[/QUOTE]Climax is scheduled to close next week, so his shareable knowledge will be cut in half.
SL.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2024537]Climax is scheduled to close next week, so his shareable knowledge will be cut in half.
SL.[/QUOTE]Is it reopening again after renovations, under a different name, or closing forever?
During my visit to Bangkok last year I was in Baccara. The girls were good and the stage arrangement as well. The view in 1st Floor where the girls dance topless is amazing but the ugliest ones go there, all good looking in ground floor stage. However upon asking a mamasan out Anal offering by any girl, she was clueless. She asked what what. Again and again and used words like Anal / A+ but she was completely blacked out about that, since there were some Japanese customers asking for her I let it go.
So now my question comes here is how do I get info about the girls in floor offering back door entry, I kind of explore my fantasies when goes to LOS. One could say to call a girl and ask upfront but don't want to spend much on LDs and neither want to become a cheap charlie by just asking them and not offering a drink. Is there any other sort of keyword or something they understand, sorry but I'm clueless. I could go for booking an Oily PSE girl or even an escort but the experience in AGoGo is something out of world.
TIA.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2024478]Okay, it wasn't really even a full night. Plane landed at 10:30 pm and I didn't get through customs until midnight. Changed $200 US and headed for the Taxi queue. Just my luck, taxi didn't speak English and the hotel didn't answer to give an address or directions, so the taxi dropped me off at a hotel with a similar name. I was staying at Asoke Suites, he dropped me at Sukhumvit Suites near the Asok station. I think he also overcharged me for the toll road (is it 25 baht or 75 baht?) he also charged me an extra 50 baht as an airport fee? [/QUOTE]Airport fee is 50 baht, correct, well sign posted st the taxi ranks at arrival?
Toll road is 75 if you go to lower sukhumvit, I. E. Soi 4 etc.
If they take you to asoke there is only one toll station and it is the 25 baht.
Then it is a few back roads and / or asoke, depending where you need to be dropped.
The asoke route is typical when you negotiate an all in flat fare, like 3/400, including motorway. They cheat you by exiting after the 25 baht toll, the smart asses, even if you have to go to lower sukhumvit.
You mentally thought the fare included the 75 baht toll.
For this reason I always say "I pay toll".
[QUOTE=Flak3;2024478]
Decided to check Uber, it was 1800 baht to Pattaya. Debated trying to make it the bus terminal before the 1 pm Bell bus left or catching the next one, but the way things were going I decided to just go with the sure thing. First driver said 4 minutes away then it turned in to 20 minutes so I canceled (there was a 100 baht cancellation charge.) Second driver said 6 minutes away, which turned into 20 minutes again. This time I just waited. Finally made it to Pattaya. Just felt like Karma wanted me to give away all my money so I tipped the driver 500 baht (also felt bad that he would have to drive all the way back to Bangkok, plus the tolls he paid coming and would pay going back).
Karma got one last kick in, my hotel wanted a 1000 baht deposit. I only had 500, luckily the guy at the desk took pity and took my 500. Rest of my report will be in the Pattaya section.[/QUOTE]Usually the prebooked taxi from sukhumvit to Pattaya charges 1200 including tolls.
Only the most expensive ones demand for 1800/2000: they are those taken by the people comparing with home prices.
How they handle the return to bkk is their problem, not yours.
Maybe your driver was returning back home in Pattaya.
So 2300 was 1000 far too much.
Saying this for those who do the due diligence and RTFF: they might be misguided by the rates you paid.
What you paid is your own money, of course, and decision.
I once thought took a taximeter from 12.30 till 5. 30 pm for a visit to the floating market some 30/40 km away, including his waiting time at destination and the drive back. He had pre- quoted "around 1500". Then he put the meter.
When he dropped me back at the hotel at 5. 30 or so, the meter read 1485.
Mind you: the waiting time was unpredictable.
Never the less he was very accurate on his prediction.
They know their business, don't worry and don't feel sorry.
[QUOTE=NRockefeller;2023786]Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.[/QUOTE]My experiences are in the dozens of ladies & hundreds of sessions with females in that spot or nearby street walkers. Bottom line, they are quite safe in virtually any way that you can imagine. Just use common sense smart safety precautions, as you'd use with prostitutes from a gogo, bar or anywhere else.
In terms of the comparative riskiness between them & other types of freelancers, street walkers anywhere are generally going to be somewhat more of a risk re STIs. IME Nana Hotel ladies of the street have been quite agreeable to going to a hospital or clinic to be tested re HIV etc, probably moreso than TGs who work at gogos, bars, etc.
There are at least 100 reasons why a girl might choose to work by Nana Hotel rather than at Thermae. For example, a belief that she will get more dates & make more money on the street. Or a preference to a quickie with English speaking customers rather than interacting with Japanese, Korean or Asian men at Thermae. Or she does not feel that she is the quality or type that such Asian men are attracted to. Or she finds Nana type customers more friendly or otherwise to her liking.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2024582]Is it reopening again after renovations, under a different name, or closing forever?[/QUOTE]Word is that negotiations for a lease renewal between the Hillary Group and The Ambassador could not reach a deal. So Climax on Soi 11 will be gone. But they will find a new place to open again surely. And I am also certain The Ambassador has a new tenant, so I am not really worried.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2024742]Usually the prebooked taxi from sukhumvit to Pattaya charges 1200 including tolls.
SNIP
They know their business, don't worry and don't feel sorry.[/QUOTE]On this forum there are several mentions of a taxi service run by a guy named KEAK. You can run a Google search for VR Taxi Pattaya. Very reliable and very competitive pricing. I have been using his service for quite a few years and never once been let down on any front. Car, driver, comfort, timing, safety, price.
I guess all it takes is reading a few pages.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2024478]Rest of my report will be in the Pattaya section.[/QUOTE]An entirely forgettable experience in BKK. I hope you had a better time in Pattaya. Do take time out to read the forum. There are several things in your report here that could have easily been avoided. Taxi fares, coyote girls stiffing you (no pun intended) for drinks only, choice of hotel, etc.
But hey, what does not kill you makes you stronger. Good luck.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2024737]Airport fee is 50 baht, correct, well sign posted st the taxi ranks at arrival?
Toll road is 75 if you go to lower sukhumvit, I. E. Soi 4 etc.
If they take you to asoke there is only one toll station and it is the 25 baht.
Then it is a few back roads and / or asoke, depending where you need to be dropped.
The asoke route is typical when you negotiate an all in flat fare, like 3/400, including motorway. They cheat you by exiting after the 25 baht toll, the smart asses, even if you have to go to lower sukhumvit.
You mentally thought the fare included the 75 baht toll.
For this reason I always say "I pay toll".[/QUOTE]Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.
To get to Thonglor from novotel at airport I tell them to avoid tolls and meter on. Rarely comes out to more than 300.
If you are lucky it cam be done for 300 flat to get to soi 11. That was a Sunday night and I can't recall if he used tolls or not. I tippedhim well.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2024830]Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2024830]Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure the toll was 25 baht. The taxi driver told me 75 baht and pocketed the extra 50. When he dropped me off he asked for an extra 50 baht on top as the airport toll. Lessons learned.
Thanks to all for the feedback and tips for the future!
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2024830]Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.[/QUOTE]Who needs this level of messing around when you have suitcases to save just a few Baht? Okay Fine if you have very low amounts of luggage. Unfortunately I tend to live in a suitcase or two, so I have a lot, including all the packets of coffee I am importing into Thailand. Important to have a good quality coffee every day. LOL. I also have some unusual luggage, which I can't mention, for fear someone will think, I know who that is.
I tend to agree with BionicM on this one. If I was staying on Soi 29 Mermaid, for example, can get off the tollway at exit 02-01 going to Phet-Uthai road to connect to Petchaburi road then enter back Sois 39 of Phrom Phong district. I avoid using nearby Asoke mostly which has worse traffic. Pay just one toll and Google Maps shows trip is 36 minutes right now 1 PM. At night or very early morning or a Sunday can be quicker.
Back Sois can be a disaster when peak hour for kids going to or from school, but it is school holidays right now. Just have to know your traffic or ask "Google Maps" for best route and times for alternative routes. Google Maps is my best friend.
If staying in the very low Sukhumvit Sois, then must pay extra tolls. Only worthwhile avoiding these tolls in extremely low traffic conditions, like midnight Sunday night. LOL.
Always need to weigh up, do we want the cheapest ride or shortest time to Hotel. I don't pay the 50 Baht at the airport. I am happy to have convenience of a taxi all the way provided not a rip off all in one price. Some want to save the most Baht, fine. I want to get to a girl in a big hurry most likely, or just to a bed for some sleep, if a bad time for a girl.
Taxi drivers can make bad mistakes on choice of route for the quickest time. Best to discuss route with them to make sure they intend a satisfactory method. Many want to exit tollway at Sukhumvit Soi 2 when an earlier exit can be better. Taxi wants to drive the more circuitous route to make more money on the meter, when the total time will be not too extended. Some want to circumnavigate Bangkok to clock up most possible kilometres.
This is Part II to my report below and the conclusion of my Spring Asia trip.
Day one: Finally caught the Bell Bus from Pattaya to Bangkok (370 Baht + 20 Baht for extra suitcase). Changed to a van and drop off at Radisson Blu. Easy check in and went to the pool to wind down and grab a snack. They have a burger with the bun dyed blue (I don't recommend it, the food coloring turned my #2's blue then green for the next couple days. Also, I asked for medium well because I don't trust their medium and it came out well done). The fries were good though. Went to Nana, since I'd tried Soi Cowboy a week earlier already. Bounced around the bars and enjoyed the topless views. Around 10 pm decided to take a peak into Annie's. Maybe it was the late hour or that it was Sunday, but the pickings were very slim. Handful of ladies (I say ladies because they were all 40+) and none were lookers (chubby). Walked back to Nana and picked a girl from one of the first floor go go's. Cute face, no babies, amazing body, early 20's, dark hair and pale skin (400 + 3000 for short time = 1 pop). Brought her back to my hotel, she seemed impressed (or maybe hopeful for a large tip. No pun intended). No ID check. Showered together. When she undressed, I fell in love. Amazing body. 500 Baht tip. When she left, I wanted to follow her back to Nana to barfine her again. No phone call from security when she left.
Day two: Changed the last of my currency ($500 USD) and decided to run some errands. Brought my phone from the US to see if someone in Thailand could fix it. Went to Dr. Phone near Terminal 21. They played with it but told me the same thing as in the US, they couldn't get the screen to work and would need to hold onto it for a few days. If it was just the screen, it would be 2700 baht to replace. Since I was leaving the next day I decided to pass. I had already purchased a replacement a year ago so I didn't really need this one, but if I could get it fixed for under $100 US, it would be worth it. I had also purchased a fake watch a year before that broke almost right away so I decided to see if I could find the guy who sold it to me. Found the guy in the exact same spot. He told me no warranties (HAHA) and then sent me to a watch repairer on Soi 8. 500 Baht and it kinda works like new. Stopped by Terminal 21 and picked up some more gifts. Massage from a really old Thai lady (really don't like massages from older ladies but I felt bad walking out after seeing her) and haircut, then back to my hotel to get ready for my last night. Started out at Soi Cowboy, but I didn't see any of the hotties from a week ago. First time in Crazy House, it was great. Lots of naked girls to flirt with while enjoying a beer. Checked out a couple more bars but they were pretty empty. One of the bars (forgot the name) had 10 real cute, young girls with great bodies, but they were already entertaining a table of guys. Decided to try Nana. Almost went back for the girl from the night before, but I forgot which bar she was in so I just wandered from bar to bar. Made a mental note to go to the second floor Mandarin for a girl I saw the night before, but she was already taken. Another cute girl was there but she seemed really shy, not making eye contact with anyone, so I decided to move along. Forgot the name of the bar (Yes, I'm terrible with names and Thai whisky doesn't help. Might be across from Mandarin or above it) but there was a really cute door girl, so I went it hoping she would follow. Unfortunately, she just held the curtain for me and stayed outside. Whenever the curtain opened though, she would peak in and smile at me. Saw another girl on the stage that caught my interest though. Great body, but I knew she was only there for the money. I liked her body enough to barfine her anyways (400 + 3000 for short time = 2 hours). The door girl peaked in around this time and pretended like she was disappointed that I hadn't waited for her. I jokingly told the mama buy one take one, which I guess in Thailand means take two. She immediately called the door girl and I had four girls trying to convince to do a threesome. I pushed the two girls together to see if they would kiss and make out, they lightly / begrudgingly pecked on the lips (bad sign). Since it was my last night and the door girl was the one I actually wanted, I decided okay. Asked for a discount, none was given (800 + 6000 for short time = 2 hours, I was hoping at least the time would go up but it stayed the same. In essence, I was paying more for less now. In my professional life, I would have walked from that deal, but). They then brought done another cute, young, slender girl and tried to convince me to take three girls. At this point, I was pretty much out of money so I said no. I wasn't sure if I could find an ATM and I wasn't sure if my card would even work or if it would go to fraud prevention. Taxi back to the hotel. The girls were talking in Thai the whole time. (Reminded me why I don't like threesomes). No security check, straight to the room. They showered together, nope, not in a sexy way. One in the bathtub, one in the shower. It was pretty much me taking turns with each girl and them complaining and talking in Thai. The door girl was really sweet and had an amazing body. Probably would have been better to have just gone with her. The door girl had a limp, so maybe some of you know who I'm talking about. The other girl had a hard attitude and was just there to get paid for doing as little as possible. She also didn't speak much English so it was like talking to a wall. Didn't have much cash left, so gave them 100 baht each for taxi fare and called it a night. No phone call from security when they left.
Day three: Walked to the Italian / Pizza place across from Terminal 21. Last time I was in Bangkok I remembered really enjoying the pizza. It wasn't as good this time around. Back to the hotel to check out. Ordered an Uber, said 6 minutes away and then it turned into 20 minutes. When he dropped me off, I thought I left my phone in the backseat (which I've done before), so I ended up running down the street to catch him. Right when I caught up with him, I remembered I'd put my phone in my bag. Acted like I found it in the backseat and said thanks and walked back to my suitcases. I don't have very good luck in Thailand, but that won't stop me from coming back.
Note: Not sure if many of you use Uber, but it is terrible in Bangkok. If you don't mind waiting at least 20 minutes for a ride, being able to put in the exact address of your destination so it's pre-programmed for your driver and knowing the price ahead of time without having to haggle are pluses. But your driver being able to find you is a different story though since the maps in Thailand aren't very accurate. If your hotel is in an alley or side street, the map doesn't show it correctly. Also, around noon, I think all the drivers go to lunch because the available cars disappear and the surge pricing kicks in.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2024922]Who needs this level of messing around when you have suitcases to save just a few Baht?[/QUOTE]I generally agree, but then I, too, am usually traveling heavy. On a side trip out of BKK with little more than a carry-on it is quite doable, but may not have been an option for Flak3 as the last run is at midnight.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2024670]During my visit to Bangkok last year I was in Baccara. The girls were good and the stage arrangement as well. The view in 1st Floor where the girls dance topless is amazing but the ugliest ones go there, all good looking in ground floor stage. However upon asking a mamasan out Anal offering by any girl, she was clueless. She asked what what. Again and again and used words like Anal / A+ but she was completely blacked out about that, since there were some Japanese customers asking for her I let it go.
So now my question comes here is how do I get info about the girls in floor offering back door entry, I kind of explore my fantasies when goes to LOS. One could say to call a girl and ask upfront but don't want to spend much on LDs and neither want to become a cheap charlie by just asking them and not offering a drink. Is there any other sort of keyword or something they understand, sorry but I'm clueless. I could go for booking an Oily PSE girl or even an escort but the experience in AGoGo is something out of world.
TIA.[/QUOTE]I hate the stage arrangement downstairs unless it changed. Too many girls means many are obscured by others. Too hard for me to find the natural beauties there.
Normally guys do not go to a gogo to get a back door girl. So that is why mamasan does not even know the word "anal". She won't know which girls can do it, most likely. I avoid discussions with mamasans myself, as I feel I am better to talk to a girl directly, less complicated, however I speak Thai.
You can ask for "back door" literally in Thai, but too difficult to pronounce it close to correctly. You can ask the girl: "ow Gon dai mai" (literally means "may I take your bottom?") or "Ow Doot dai mai" (take your ass, can I?) Doot sounds something like Door but change to finish with an additional T sound. Actually vowel sound is probably half way between Door and Boot, more like a German long you sound.
I doubt many Baccara girls are into, it unless you have small dick and cum quick. Perhaps better to go to Tulip or Snow White for anal.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2024964]I hate...[/QUOTE]Since we're into pronunciation; what about your name? Sausages? : )
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2024830]Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.[/QUOTE]It would cost less to get airport train to Maakasan station then 1 stop along the underground to Asoke. Walk to hotel from there.
[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2024967]Since we're into pronunciation; what about your name? Sausages? : )[/QUOTE]I have heard so many FKK girls call out your handle, I should know how to pronounce it by now, of course.
You won't ever need to be able to pronounce my handle, but it is simple enough, you can look up a dictionary, but it really is not a useful word. Relates to an "alignment of Stars". I will make sure my next handle is a completely unpronounceable thing not even a word though. One of my favorite handles used by other guys is NoCBJ4Me. LOL he used to post the best pics in the photo gallery. A true champion for hot girl photos. Also I have a buddy with handle Iseeu where it took long time to dawn on me what the handle meant. LOL.
Crazy House had a lot of girls tonight including some new ones, but I was only in the mood for my regulars or a stunner, so left. Jun, Jane, and Oom, all not there.
Stopped in doll house. Some girls sort of nude but wearing fishnet stuff. A couple of the Coyote girls were looking okay I quickly learned they are 1000 Baht BF. Later learned that gets you only ST unless you BF after midnight. Anyway found a cutie upstairs and BFed her later. At first just went for her very cute face (very cute small nose) but later realised she very nice high 19 YO tits, initially covered. Probably a good Bcup, not quite a real Ccup.
Turned out to be a pretty good fuck with DFK. Normally I hate to choose covered up bar girls. Quite a risk. I intend to ask girls to expose themselves a bit before taking the plunge. I did get a bit of a look at how nice her tits were before BFing.
To BF the coyote girls before midnight for a LT booking will cost 2K ouch. I won't be doing that. Stupid rules at Doll House.
In another bar (Corner Bar) there is an ex favourite waitress of mine that wants me to BF her. She is a bit over dressed, so I wonder how to discover what her figure is really like first. I could ask her to send me some risque pics, or take her out the back and ask to see her tits and belly, LOL, or any suggestions? She probably has kids. No idea how many. I think her tits are not at all small but no clue how saggy etc. Will the belly have bad railway tracks? will the ass be horrible? I don't really know. Being realistic, her body won't be super, but just how bad could it be? A bit risk averse with bargirls. This is why I always liked the nudie bars. I can tolerate a medium standard body on a skinny girl, but hate to waste a BF for a really crap body. I have got used to fucking girls with pretty good bodies. Don't know if dick will even rise for a crap body.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2024924]Day three: Walked to the Italian / Pizza place across from Terminal 21. Last time I was in Bangkok I remembered really enjoying the pizza. It wasn't as good this time around. Back to the hotel to check out. Ordered an Uber, said 6 minutes away and then it turned into 20 minutes. When he dropped me off, I thought I left my phone in the backseat (which I've done before), so I ended up running down the street to catch him. Right when I caught up with him, I remembered I'd put my phone in my bag. Acted like I found it in the backseat and said thanks and walked back to my suitcases. I don't have very good luck in Thailand, but that won't stop me from coming back.
Note: Not sure if many of you use Uber, but it is terrible in Bangkok. If you don't mind waiting at least 20 minutes for a ride, being able to put in the exact address of your destination so it's pre-programmed for your driver and knowing the price ahead of time without having to haggle are pluses. But your driver being able to find you is a different story though since the maps in Thailand aren't very accurate. If your hotel is in an alley or side street, the map doesn't show it correctly. Also, around noon, I think all the drivers go to lunch because the available cars disappear and the surge pricing kicks in.[/QUOTE]Really bad Pizza in Thailand is pretty much the norm I would say. There are exceptions, however Thais eat really poor quality pizza normally. I have not felt the need to go look for a Pizza here.
Google maps is fairly accurate for streets and alleys based on looking at alignments of satellite photos and the Maps, what is not accurate is the pin placements for particular Hotels, etc. I don't use Uber, but it could be relying on GPS to determine your location when it can get an accurate reading, e. G. If you are in good satellite signal outside a building. A girl I know uses Uber, and sometimes she is in conversation with the driver, re how to get to her, so must mean they can't determine exactly where she is. One bad feature is sometimes Uber car bookings just cancel for no reason, perhaps they found an easier customer, and then you have to book another. So far Uber has not been tempting me to try it. Can be significantly more expensive at times. I will ask her later how she gets to Pattaya and the cost. I guess Thais typically take a moderately cheap air con bus from Ekkamai most likely.
Just spent about 3 hours hanging out at Soi Cowboy. Here are the prices that I got:
Cowboy 2:
Dress: Bikini.
Lady drinks: 200.
Crazy house:
Dress: Nude.
Lady rinks: 330? Didn't realize it was so expensive.
ST: 3000.
LT: 6000.
BF: 700.
Baccara:
Dress: Tube top and short skirt.
Lady Drinks: 200.
ST: 3000.
LT: 6000 (explicit state 2 hours).
BF: 600 + min 2 lady drinks (so really 1000).
My attempts to negotiate were not successful. This was at around 2 am to 3 am, so near closing times. I tried to say 4 K for LT, or 2 K for ST, or offered to meet after bar close. But, alas, the girls seemed unwilling to budge from the "official" prices. Is this new? What's with the much higher prices?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2025208]I guess Thais typically take a moderately cheap air con bus from Ekkamai most likely.[/QUOTE]Bus to / from Ekkamai and Pattaya is either 110 or 150 baht. Forgot which my friend said. For those on a budget this sounds like a great option and you'll be on the bus with some cute Thai girls.
[QUOTE=NaughtyXing;2025211]
Baccara:
Dress: Tube top and short skirt.
Lady Drinks: 200.
ST: 3000.
LT: 6000 (explicit state 2 hours).
BF: 600 + min 2 lady drinks (so really 1000).
My attempts to negotiate were not successful. This was at around 2 am to 3 am, so near closing times. I tried to say 4 K for LT, or 2 K for ST, or offered to meet after bar close. But, alas, the girls seemed unwilling to budge from the "official" prices. Is this new? What's with the much higher prices?[/QUOTE]There is a spirited discussion underway on the Pattaya thread around how and why prices increase and stay that way. At Baccara specifically, it is because of the Japanese patrons. Again, not because one guy overpaid. But because over the last few years a majority of their patrons have been overpaying consistently night after night and putting up with shitty attitudes from the girls. These girls are spoiled rotten by their Japanese suitors. Most of them are on a healthy allowance ranging from 30 K to 50 K a month. So, there is no motivation to meet you after closing hours to still make that extra 2000.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2025220]Bus to / from Ekkamai and Pattaya is either 110 or 150 baht. Forgot which my friend said. For those on a budget this sounds like a great option and you'll be on the bus with some cute Thai girls.[/QUOTE]I have done this trip both ways just to experience it.
You pay your own way to Ekkamai either by taxi or lugging your luggage on and off the BTS. You wait for the bus in a non-aircon station. The folks on the bus are indeed locals and not particularly farang friendly. You need to find your own transportation in Pattaya from the bus station, and likely wait in the back of a baht bus to fill up only to be dropped a decent walk from your hotel. Did I mention it can he hot as hell or raining like crazy?
Taken all together: for slightly more money, door to door service, and always in aircon; Bell Travel Service can't be beat. Or you can pay triple the price and arrange for a private taxi.
SL.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2025289]I have done this trip both ways just to experience it.
You pay your own way to Ekkamai either by taxi or lugging your luggage on and off the BTS. You wait for the bus in a non-aircon station. The folks on the bus are indeed locals and not particularly farang friendly. You need to find your own transportation in Pattaya from the bus station, and likely wait in the back of a baht bus to fill up only to be dropped a decent walk from your hotel. Did I mention it can he hot as hell or raining like crazy?
Taken all together: for slightly more money, door to door service, and always in aircon; Bell Travel Service can't be beat. Or you can pay triple the price and arrange for a private taxi.
SL.[/QUOTE]A private taxi is the quickest, most convenient and most expensive mode of transportation to and from Pattaya and Bangkok. For newbies who aren't adventurous or experienced travelers, this might be best.
Bell Travel Service is great if you're going to and from the Bangkok airport to Pattaya, but it was a miserable for me when I went from Pattaya to my Bangkok hotel. The Bell Travel van had to make numerous stops at Pattaya hotels to pick up passengers. It then went to its local Pattaya terminal to pick up more passengers. After loading as many passengers as possible, the Bell Travel van headed to the Bangkok airport to drop off passengers. From the airport, the Bell Travel van made numerous stops at different hotels throughout Bangkok to drop off passengers. My hotel on Soi 4 was the last stop. With Bangkok's notorious traffic jam, I spent more than 8 hours on the Bell Travel van. My bladder was on the verge of busting. I was not happy that I wasted an entire day riding in a van.
After that experience, if I travel to and from hotels in Pattaya and Bangkok, I take the bus. When I'm in Pattaya, I always ask the hotel to arrange a private taxi or the hotel car to take me to the Pattaya bus terminal. I can't remember the cost, but it wasn't too expensive and easier than hauling my luggage on and off a baht bus. In Bangkok, the Ekkamai bus station is perfectly located to take the BTS, but this only works if your Bangkok hotel is located near a BTS station and you don't have lots of luggage. For me, this is the cheapest, quickest, and safest way between Pattaya and Bangkok.
[QUOTE=/]
Crazy house:
Dress: Nude.
Lady Drinks: 330? Didn't realize it was so expensive.
ST: 3000.
LT: 6000.
BF: 700.[/QUOTE]330 is the price of 2 lady drinks being a tequila and a coke. It is possible to buy the lady a single drink and I do.
ST and LT prices are not fixed in stone. Negotiation is possible. I have not paid as high as 6 K for a LT although it is quite a while since I took a LT. So I was not even aware girls are asking that much.
Some top girls have strong negotiating power because they get called and BFed by customers fairly quickly. However not all girls are that popular.
Some have experienced a decline in popularity, and may reduce there prices. I have been able to get to Jane more frequently this year than previous years. She actually even gets on the dance floor sometimes meaning is not pre BFed every day. I can get Oom or Jun no problem if they are working. All 3 are skinny girls relatively flat chested. Big tits is not important for me. Some girls with big tits are not that pretty.
I normally need more than 1 hour for my ST. At least 90 minutes for me. Some ST Hotels will charge double the normal price for anything over 1 hour and up to 2 hours. No good!
Asoke Place is better. They have a special Friday and Saturday night price for 2 hours of something like 500 Baht instead of 350. However for at least Monday through Thursday (perhaps also Sunday), they are not busy and so they allow up to 2 hours for 350 Baht. As I need more than an hour typically, I will try to do it nights other than Friday and Saturday. I have received the 1 hour phone call previously on a busy night, to say my time is up. I will book longer in future. Last night was Thursday night and they were not busy.
So this maybe an indicator that there is far more barfining of girls on a Friday or Saturday. Maybe not. There is clearly far more BFing of ladyboys by Koreans and Japanese on a Friday or Saturday, since see so many of those at Asoke Place ST Hotel on a busy night. I assume the Asian guys are too shy to take the LBs home.
Any place that won't give a decent price for 90 minutes, then they lose my business. There is a choice of ST Hotels. My average price for 2 hours at Asoke Place is going to be pretty good. Atlas Hotel Soi 7/1 is now struck off my list (as 2 hours is double 1 hour charge), and am using a place opposite Di Place (same sub Soi) over at Nana.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2025181]Crazy House had a lot of girls tonight including some new ones, but I was only in the mood for my regulars or a stunner, so left. Jun, Jane, and Oom, all not there.
Stopped in doll house. Some girls sort of nude but wearing fishnet stuff. A couple of the Coyote girls were looking okay I quickly learned they are 1000 Baht BF. Later learned that gets you only ST unless you BF after midnight. Anyway found a cutie upstairs and BFed her later. At first just went for her very cute face (very cute small nose) but later realised she very nice high 19 YO tits, initially covered. Probably a good Bcup, not quite a real Ccup.
Turned out to be a pretty good fuck with DFK. Normally I hate to choose covered up bar girls. Quite a risk. I intend to ask girls to expose themselves a bit before taking the plunge. I did get a bit of a look at how nice her tits were before BFing.
To BF the coyote girls before midnight for a LT booking will cost 2K ouch. I won't be doing that. Stupid rules at Doll House.
In another bar (Corner Bar) there is an ex favourite waitress of mine that wants me to BF her. She is a bit over dressed, so I wonder how to discover what her figure is really like first. I could ask her to send me some risque pics, or take her out the back and ask to see her tits and belly, LOL, or any suggestions? She probably has kids. No idea how many. I think her tits are not at all small but no clue how saggy etc. Will the belly have bad railway tracks? will the ass be horrible? I don't really know. Being realistic, her body won't be super, but just how bad could it be? A bit risk averse with bargirls. This is why I always liked the nudie bars. I can tolerate a medium standard body on a skinny girl, but hate to waste a BF for a really crap body. I have got used to fucking girls with pretty good bodies. Don't know if dick will even rise for a crap body.[/QUOTE]Thanks again. Another great report.
[QUOTE=Yujin;2025307]Bell Travel Service is great if you're going to and from the Bangkok airport to Pattaya, but it was a miserable for me when I went from Pattaya to my Bangkok hotel. The Bell Travel van had to make numerous stops at Pattaya hotels to pick up passengers. It then went to its local Pattaya terminal to pick up more passengers. After loading as many passengers as possible, the Bell Travel van headed to the Bangkok airport to drop off passengers. From the airport, the Bell Travel van made numerous stops at different hotels throughout Bangkok to drop off passengers. My hotel on Soi 4 was the last stop. With Bangkok's notorious traffic jam, I spent more than 8 hours on the Bell Travel van. My bladder was on the verge of busting. I was not happy that I wasted an entire day riding in a van.
[/QUOTE]If I made such a bad mistake, I would have just got off at the first Bangkok Hotel stop, or Airport, and caught a taxi from there. 8 hours is clearly ridiculous waste of time and discomfort. Good warning to others.
I have made the mistake of retuning from Koh Tao by boat to Chumporn (Chumpon) and then by bus from there. That bus trip was pretty horrific. Too far. Would not do that again. Was much cheaper than flight from Koh Samui, but a nightmare trip. Looks like Nok Air does fly to and from Chumpon, but only once per day, which may not be the most suitable time.
I suggest to anyone travelling in Thailand, you don't really want to be in a bus for very long hours, like Thai people do. Use cheap flight to far destinations, and even try to book a train when plane is not an option. Not applicable for Pattaya but that is really not so far compared to other places. I have used a taxi to Rayong for Koh Samet, and a minivan to Traat and Koh Chang with at least 5 people going. That was quite long enough but well under 8 hours.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2025402]Thanks again. Another great report.[/QUOTE]I try new things when regular girls not available. Unfortunately it's been a while since any girl got added to my regular list. Its tough to keep trying girls. LOL
My list of regular girls is getting so low. Down to 2 freelancers abd 3 semi regular bar girls. No MP girls. Need some.
On BTS I see Annies girl with an Indian or similar guy. She is trying hard for me not to spot her. Since I know her she is obviously not one of the fatty types. Looks real good. Probably breaking the rules so I won't name her.
Today will compare a Nuru massage to a Soapy. Could be better.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2024478]Okay, it wasn't really even a full night.*snip* I think he also overcharged me for the toll road (is it 25 baht or 75 baht?) he also charged me an extra 50 baht as an airport fee? The only plus was he took some back road ....*snip* .[/QUOTE]Sorry about the bad experience. A little homework and a notepad will help! But the toll is 75 THB and you are are required to pay a 50 THB airport charge, so he was not overcharging. And why in the world would you come to Bangkok late at night to turn around and go to Pattaya?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2025348]She actually even gets on the dance floor sometimes meaning is not pre BFed every day.[/QUOTE]I didn't realize there were ever any girls who were pre BFed every day. If a girl is pre BFed every day, how could you even know she worked there?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2025433]I didn't realize there were ever any girls who were pre BFed every day. If a girl is pre BFed every day, how could you even know she worked there?[/QUOTE]I probably say it wrongly. Some girls have been known to walk into CH with the customer, and then the BF is paid for this next night straight away. Girl may not get undressed and dance at all. Jane used to be habitually in this category not every single time, but often. So I probably had fancied her for over a year before got first opportunity to BF her. Had seen her dance very briefly on occasions. This year already took her at least twice. Still not often but always enjoyable.
She is in the semi raunchy category as a dancer. Not exceptionally shy but not totally wayward slutty either. Knows how to show off her ass and pussy in a sexy way. As one would expect for me, no surgeries. Just naturally cute almost no tits.
Today went looking for a girl, who told me on LINE App, that she now works at Angel Witch. When I said the name, they did not recognise it. Seems she works under an assumed name. I had to show them a Pic. Then they said okay That is Yaya, who I knew as a different name. Was absent tonight.
No matter I got to see Angel Witch first time for many years. The famous Angel Witch shows were not happening. That maybe because I left at 9. 30 PM. Angel Witch is a bit of a throw back to 15 years ago. The girls look like very old time bar girls. Almost no silicones and almost no nose jobs. Natural looks. Early was mostly slightly overweight girls for my taste but started to improve. Guys were steadily barfining girls, but not the two that I would have picked. Strange that the customers had different taste to me, or perhaps they just knew that these were the really good girls for performance. LOL I could visit again with more than one girl potentially hot enough for me, even they had clothes on, well actually quite a few were at least topless which helps a lot. It's easy to choose a girl with lovely tits. This bar still does reasonable business, although less customers than Twisters or Billboard.
Quick call at Twisters showed that overall much better bodies average standard than Angel Witch but few really pretty girls at Twisters today. Line up has been down since Songkran I believe. Certain girls missing.
I feeling of depression starts to overcome me. Apart for Angel Witch, bars are not what they used to be. I have only BFed a bar girl about 4 times for the year so far. I have done very few MP girls all up but have tried a few new girls, 2 soapy girls, and 2 Oily girls. All up I have not acquired any new must repeat girls for the year, or is there one. Soapies are definitely not what they used to be with massive levels of surgeries.
If I don't feel I should repeat, it indicates the girl is a bit too average, or normal standard. In which case, was she really worth doing at all, or I would be better off just waiting till my repeat girls are available. I know this seems to be a much different attitude to those that are more thrilled by trying new girls and bored with all their repeat girls.
Perhaps the number of girls that show real enthusiasm for their work has been dropping off in the modern day, or I just get less satisfied, and harder to please.
Looked in Biergarten Soi 7. around 10PM. Much the same as previous visits for me. Full of fat ladies and old ladies, at least very few slim young pretty girls indeed, that I probably did not spot even one. Low standard of girls or sub standard. Maybe wrong time of day. Never was a favourite place of mine. Talent outside Nana Hotel is looking better, especially if go there after midnight.
Decided to check Darling Line Up. Darling Soapy is now closed, just in case was not already announced. Site is fenced off. Probable redevelopment. Extension of the Korean Plaza? All the more reason to go to Ratchada, Petchburi, or Rama 9 Soapies.
Just recalled a funny announcement at Crazy House bar, in Thai to the girls. The Thai announcements can be easier to understand than the badly pronounced English announcements that I never understand. LOL They stated that girls should introduce themselves to the customers using their real nicknames, and not stupid made up names like Jenny, Lucy, etc. The reason is that customers enquire to management about when Lucy will be working, and management have never heard of that girl. It's much better if their Thai names are used, since they are often duplicated or could be 4 to 5 Nois, a few Leks, a few Naams, a few Nits, etc., and then there are the names that Farangs can't pronounce like Oom, Ooeey, Boom, Euay, Gaew, TaengMow, etc. O.K. I am trying to be a smartass, but perhaps customers ought to ask about the girl from her number. Even then numbers get reused too soon. Both my girls Oom and Noi lost their previous numbers from being away a couple of months.
My favourite girl had real name Bpaeng, but unlikely anyone could say it right, so she assumed the name Donut. Seemed sensible enough to me. If anyone asked when Donut would return, then management would have no clue anyway. Even Donut had no clue if she would return.
So it was all a stupid joke I thought. A combination of the girl's name together with her number as well would probably work out to identify the girl. So if I ask then about May-Lee No. 49, the best management can do is say that she has been gone for nearly a year now, or maybe it's more than a year, or if it's about Taeng Mo, they can say one of the Taeng Mos was working this Friday. Other one gone for a few months. Nikki No. 1 also gone for a few months. They will rarely have a clue if girl will ever return or when, or they can say Chocolat is on holidays (to have her baby) LOL. If I want news, including the secret gossip, I ask the gossip girls.
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Hi gentlemen,
I will be in Bangkok first time in first week of may for an official work. I will be staying at Sheraton grande Sukhamvit.
My schedule is very busy hence I might be not having sufficient time to explore.
I am requesting help from you guys to share contact of girls for GFE experience and also economical in budget.
I have lot of heard about soapy massage also which people says worth to try at least once in life time.
I don't know when I will get next chance to visit Thailand or not.
Hence I am requesting you guys to kingly help me in this regards.
I am decent guy and knows how to respect the women.
Thank you in advance.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2025603]Decided to check Darling Line Up. Darling Soapy is now closed, just in case was not already announced. Site is fenced off. Probable redevelopment. Extension of the Korean Plaza? [/QUOTE]What a shame, I always quite liked it. Had a much better line up when I went last November and always liked it.
[QUOTE=Ipathan;2025816]
I am requesting help from you guys to share contact of girls for GFE experience and also economical in budget.
I have lot of heard about soapy massage also which people says worth to try at least once in life time.
[/QUOTE]"Irfan" (just guessing your name LOL. From the well known cricketer. Okay I know these names are all too common).
I already recently recommended "Ocean" in Ratchada Soi 7 Alley for a very low budget Soapy experience at 1700 Baht plus drinks and tips if any (for early in the evening like 7PM to 8PM ideal not really late). You can get there by subway and walk, or by taxi, or even by motorcycle is possible.
Your Hotel is very close to Cowboy and Nana Plaza gogo bar areas, however those places will not be the cheapest for your budget. They don't like Cheap Charlies there too much, especially if they see you are staying at an expensive Hotel (the Sheraton). You should consider some of the massage parlors located between Sukhumvit Soi 24 and Soi 26, or Tulip for pornstars located just under ThongLor skytrain station. Also can try girls on the street of Nana Sukhumvit Soi 4, price 1000 to 1500 Baht.
Here are some shops where I hardly ever had a bad experience: Tulip, Snow White, Mango, Chrome Bar Nuru (was called Dr. BJ Nuru), Annies. It's not a cast iron guarantee but maybe better odds than most places. GFE is not guaranteed but should be not a complete write off. I can only recall ever one really bad girl at Annies and one at Tulip.
No one can guarantee you a GFE experience especially when on a low budget. Depends on the girl and whether she likes you.
Thai girls are very sensitive to body odours. Make sure you shower and clean very thoroughly, use a strong deodorant, and put on clean shirt, just before visiting Thai girls (not many hours earlier LOL). Not all guys realise when they start to have bad odours. Guys with body odour get to used to it, regardless of whether you are Indian, black guy, or any other type of Foreigner. Then when you are with a Thai girl you will have to take a shower again (even though you just had one a very short time ago). Indians in particular seem to have a reputation for not wanting to shower yet again, based on what girls gossip to me. I always take a shower at home, go to the girl, take another shower before the sex, sometimes together with the girl, and another shower after sex. Many showers per day is best. Its not like it's a hardship and the water and gel soap doesn't do me any harm.
In a Soapy Parlour, the girl will take a bath with you and clean you. You still should get cleaned before you depart your room in any case. I always do. I would be very embarrassed to turn up to anywhere, all sweaty and oily and horrible.
[QUOTE=Ipathan;2025816]Hi gentlemen,
I will be in Bangkok first time in first week of may for an official work. I will be staying at Sheraton grande Sukhamvit.
My schedule is very busy hence I might be not having sufficient time to explore.
I am requesting help from you guys to share contact of girls for GFE experience and also economical in budget.
I have lot of heard about soapy massage also which people says worth to try at least once in life time.
I don't know when I will get next chance to visit Thailand or not.
Hence I am requesting you guys to kingly help me in this regards.
I am decent guy and knows how to respect the women.
Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]I'v checked your posts and you are always asking for help in the India thread and now here. Even in your home country you can't RTFF. Who in their right mind is going to give you personal contact numbers for girls they have seen? Anyways, you should hit the dating sites such as Thai Friendly or Badoo and make some contacts before you come. Also go to Soi Cowboy, it is very near your hotel. If you have a strict budget, then Thailand is not the place for you because Indians already have a bad reputation with Thai girls for being smelly and cheap. You will want to counter with clean clothes, cologne, and stop eating spicy food and curry for a few days so the smell stops coming out your pores. When you go to Soi Cowboy, dress business casual. Maybe even a nice black blazer with dress shoes and a white shirt. Your hotel is very nice so don't be a cheap Charlie. The prices for all ladies, independent or working in the go go bars are 2,000-3,500ST and 3,000-6,000 LT plus a bar fine of 700-1,000 Baht for either ST or LT. As Syggs said, you can find some street girls in your area at Nana car park for 1,000-1,500. If you can't afford these price options, then stay home.
Please watch this you tube video about picking up Thai girls in Bangkok for really cheap prices.
https://youtu.be/dPP9Ew_9WIk
Thank you all for the informative reports. I am seeking advice from the Bangkok experts. I will be in Bangkok in 2 weeks and will be coming with a lady who is bio sexual, she likes men and women and enjoy threesomes. She wants to do the hunting and find the right lady to join us. So, I have the following questions:
1. Can she go to the gogo bars in Nana or Cowboy and barfine the lady she likes?
2. What about clubs like MIXX, Spasso, OSKAR, Shock 39 , Levels, Ce La Vie and Bossy, are the ladies in there more excepting for threesome?
I appreciate your advice.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Rasta123;2026101]Thank you all for the informative reports. I am seeking advice from the Bangkok experts. I will be in Bangkok in 2 weeks and will be coming with a lady who is bio sexual, she likes men and women and enjoy threesomes. She wants to do the hunting and find the right lady to join us. So, I have the following questions:
1. Can she go to the gogo bars in Nana or Cowboy and barfine the lady she likes?
[/QUOTE]'bio-sexual" ROFLMAO. I guess you mean bi-sexual.
Yes there is no problem to for your lady to have fun playing with naked or semi-naked girls in a bar. She can simply ask which girls are fine to have sex with girls and guys. Some exist. I used to get girls from the lesbian show at Suzi Wong, and Bo was a true bi-sexual girl, unfortunately gone from the bar, and has a baby now.
No. 14 at Annies Massage is tomboy with short hair, but with lovely big tits and likes both guys and girls (if the girl is sexy feminine looking. She would not go for butch or tough looking girls most likely. I am guessing. Maybe she likes everything).
Be careful in selection since some girls say they are fine to be with another woman but won't actually do anything. So for me the lesbian show was evidence they liked to lick pussy okay.
Once a somewhat masculine looking big girl was a customer in Crazy House and playing up with the girls. I asked my girl whether that one was a regular? I was extremely surprised to be told that the customer was not a tomboy but was actually a western ladyboy (not very pretty one at all). Go figure! I can't work out why a ladyboy wants to play with naked girls. However it is allowed.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2026211]'bio-sexual" ROFLMAO. I guess you mean bi-sexual.
Yes there is no problem to for your lady to have fun playing with naked or semi-naked girls in a bar. She can simply ask which girls are fine to have sex with girls and guys. Some exist. I used to get girls from the lesbian show at Suzi Wong, and Bo was a true bi-sexual girl, unfortunately gone from the bar, and has a baby now.
No. 14 at Annies Massage is tomboy with short hair, but with lovely big tits and likes both guys and girls (if the girl is sexy feminine looking. She would not go for butch or tough looking girls most likely. I am guessing. Maybe she likes everything).
Be careful in selection since some girls say they are fine to be with another woman but won't actually do anything. So for me the lesbian show was evidence they liked to lick pussy okay.
Once a somewhat masculine looking big girl was a customer in Crazy House and playing up with the girls. I asked my girl whether that one was a regular? I was extremely surprised to be told that the customer was not a tomboy but was actually a western ladyboy (not very pretty one at all). Go figure! I can't work out why a ladyboy wants to play with naked girls. However it is allowed.[/QUOTE]Syzygies,
Thanks for the info, very helpful. Actually, my bi-sexual lady is very feminine, 179 cm in height, 48 kg, long hair with white pale skin. She makes heads turn around. She has been one of my regulars for a year or so. She likes feminine pretty girls. So I can trust her judgment to find someone we both like. I will send her to Suzi Wong and CH and wait for the surprise. Thanks again.
General info required.
It's been about 3 years since I last visited BKK, any info regarding CIS, good clubs, and if the BKK scene has changed in any way, also any TIPS on mongering would be appreciated. I have been searching on the site, but not picking up much. Has BKK died down a bit.
I do like the CIS more, but not the crowd from Grace area, used to visit CM2, before, heard its closed down.
IS MIXX, BKK still the same, has anything changed, any info and help would be appreciated. Current prices, LT, ST has the quality of the woman dropped.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2012974]Last time I checked Nana and Cowboy out, which was in September 2016, almost every girl I interviewed said ST is for 1 hour 1 pop, and LT is for 4 hours 2 pops.
Sounds ridiculous, because in my concept, LT means whole night, which should be at least 8 hours, perhaps?
Too ridiculous, so I did not take any girl from Gogobars. Instead, I stick with soapy bath massage parlors my whole last trip.
So, may I ask guys who constantly reported back that they took girls LT for whole night long, where and how you do that?
The LT=4 hours bullshit really made me upset and it was also one reason why I don't visit there again recent.[/QUOTE]OK this sucks massively. One of the reasons I've not been back to LOS in over 2 years is I noticed dropping standards and rising prices. I can now get better value sex in Eastern Europe which is also closer to home.
Generally speaking it should be that ST is one hour / one pop (whichever comes first), and LT is all night with one pop at night and one in the morning.
As ever, YMMV. I once had a girl I took LT from AngelWitch leave after 4 hours and 2 lengthy shags where I didn't come at all. Despite this being bad service I didn't object as I just wanted her to leave me alone to sleep by this point.
At the other end of the scale a few months earlier, I took a bar girl LT in Ko Samui and we had 2 extended fucking sessions at night. The next day she stayed in my room with me until 4 pm during which time we had another 3 sessions. There was chemistry between us that time.
[QUOTE=Sammyt;2026459]Generally speaking it should be that ST is one hour / one pop (whichever comes first), and LT is all night with one pop at night and one in the morning.[/QUOTE]
That's the absolute bare minimum.
Personally, I didn't mind a 1 shot ST when it cost 1000-1500 baht ($25-$40) all in, but if I'm paying in the vicinity of $100 for the privilege, I damn sure will have higher expectations and demand 2 pops within 90 minutes or so. Sure, service in Thailand has deteriorated, and prices have gone up, but the golden rule ("one who has the gold makes the rules") still applies, for those of us who have balls and aren't shy to state expectations in advance.
As for LT, it really should (and used to) mean all-night with as many cums as you can manage, though it's reasonable not to expect more than 3 pops.
The specified time with 1-shot sessions is a semi-scam, an average male cums in about 3-7 minutes, so one shot is actually 10 minutes of work, with the rest being ceremony. In low-end brothels for Thai guys, they normally give you just 30 min excluding the post-shower (slightly flexible, as it is Thailand after all), and punters rarely bump against the time limit. That's a bit more honest than advertising "1 hour" for what rarely takes that long.
Speaking of Eastern Europe, in some places it used to be that 1 hour actually meant 60 minutes (not just 1 pop), but I haven't mongered there in a long time.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2012974]Last time I checked Nana and Cowboy out, which was in September 2016, almost every girl I interviewed said ST is for 1 hour 1 pop, and LT is for 4 hours 2 pops.
[/QUOTE]It's lucky I haven't been asking for LT because it always meant till morning for me with a sex round on waking up. The reason girls are trying to trim this to 4 hours, although I have zero experience of this phenomenon, seems to me to be related to the very low price that some guys are trying to pay for it. Suppose a ST was rated at 2 K, how many extra hours do punters reckon they should get if they pay 3 K? Not so long, otherwise girls that can get multiple STs into a night will be losing money. The girl may well be able to find a different customer willing to pay 3 K for a ST.
I always expect all night for a LT, but am willing to pay the girl a more reasonable amount for it (provided I get my morning sex as well). If the girl absolutely has to leave at 6. 00 AM, then fine I can set the alarm for 5 am to get my final round of sex. I usually started my longtimes not much beyond 11 PM, and possibly earlier.
I can see that a late night disco pickup, all night remaining maybe only 4 hours. LOL I don't do that sort of thing.
In my experience, a lot of girls simply said they don't do long time. Obviously might be possible to change their mind for a really high fee, but initially they showed no interest in it at all.
It was very different 25 years ago, when bargirls always went with you for the whole night, and sometimes were still there at midday. Hence we used to have the expression "We pay the girls to leave". Sometimes we were eager to get rid of them so we could go do something else. My first cowboy girls cost me 500 Baht for the night plus some small BF. At the time that was about $25 for the night, I think. You just took a girl for the night every night. It was a no brainer. She was as cheap as the room or cheaper if room was expensive. I don't recall any of those girls being so poor a fuck as to kick them out. They all were fine. Never seemed to meet precious dick scared girls in those days. I guess that was because all the customers were Farangs and they were used to it.
[QUOTE=Hugolov;2026242]General info required.
It's been about 3 years since I last visited BKK, any info regarding CIS, good clubs, and if the BKK scene has changed in any way, also any TIPS on mongering would be appreciated. I have been searching on the site, but not picking up much. Has BKK died down a bit.
I do like the CIS more, but not the crowd from Grace area, used to visit CM2, before, heard its closed down.
IS MIXX, BKK still the same, has anything changed, any info and help would be appreciated. Current prices, LT, ST has the quality of the woman dropped.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]You obviously have not read.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2026560]
It was very different 25 years ago, when bargirls always went with you for the whole night, and sometimes were still there at midday. Hence we used to have the expression "We pay the girls to leave". Sometimes we were eager to get rid of them so we could go do something else. [/QUOTE]I think we need to reassess that expression now that the scene is so altered by the advent of smartphones, Line and so on. Once I have exchanged Line IDs with a P4 P girl there doesn't seem to be such a thing as "leave" exactly. LOL. "Leave" emotionally, that is. Maybe this is more particular to those of us who live here.
Even if our first outing is a simple ST she is within the hour wishing me a "good night, sweet dreams, miss you!" with a half-dozen stickers on Line. More often than not by midday the next day she is already pestering me for another meeting (which I might very well agree to), continues the pestering on a daily and nightly basis and so it goes for weeks or months. Before smartphones and Line, I never had this much post-sex attention and pestering from a REAL girlfriend. You know, the ones we used to say we were tied to emotionally and what a relief it was to partake of P4 P because "We pay the girls to leave. " Ah, the good ol' days.
I suspect a lot of the new "ST only" girls are in the same boat as I am (we are). They have so many Line contacts to go visit in order to keep all the dishes spinning, they must double and triple book. By the time you have emerged from the post-coitus / post-ST shower, she has fielded 10 invites from interested punters looking to see her in the next hour. Which is fine with me since I (we) have likely been fielding as many pleas from P4 P girls, dating site girls, shop girls and waitresses to come over for the night and now I am free to say, "Sure, come on over. ".
I know this doesn't address the cost factor. But in a way it does when you live here since, again thanks to smartphones and Line, there are always several girls who cycle through who aren't P4 P directly and actually cost very little.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2026560]
It was very different 25 years ago, when bargirls always went with you for the whole night, and sometimes were still there at midday. Hence we used to have the expression "We pay the girls to leave". [/QUOTE]It is still like that many times in Cambodia. Especially in Sihanoukville. 10 dollar BF and 30 dollar to the girl. Like in Thailand before.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2026632]You know, the ones we used to say we were tied to emotionally and what a relief it was to partake of P4 P because "We pay the girls to leave. " Ah, the good ol' days.
I suspect a lot of the new "ST only" girls are in the same boat as I am (we are). They have so many Line contacts to go visit in order to keep all the dishes spinning, they must double and triple book. [/QUOTE]In the good old days, I had paid this girl Bua to leave. I had made the mistake of treating her too good, for a very low class girl, for more than one day. I was bored with her, so the next night I got a girl from somewhere else and new girl was staying with me till morning. In the morning, there is a knock on my door. Bua has showed up (with tears). I am not going to answer the door and let Bua come in since there is another girl in my bed. Whoops, time to change Hotels, and no more visits for Bua. Bua had a good body, good tits, average face, and did BB too easily.
So there are benefits to girls messaging first. LOL I probably have far too few girls pestering me for sex. I can ignore the messages if necessary. Some girls suggest a meeting, and then don't go through with it, so yes you have to suspect they have lots of alternative things to choose from at the moment. One girl said that I did not answer her message immediately (I answered 12 minutes later) so she invited her mother over instead for Songkran (yeh right). Some girls keep on saying tomorrow. I can play the tomorrow game too. You get a feel quickly for which girls are reliable.
Will go to Thai for about 9 days.
1) not sure how to split between Bangkok and Pattaya for 9 days.
Want to tour around in the day and enjoy nightlife at night.
Which one has more selections (of girls) and more fun?
2) soapy massage parlor. Which one would you recommend?
When is the best time to go (early evening? Late afternoon? Sunday, or Thur. Etc.)?
3) Nana plaza vs. Soi Cowboy, which one better? Any bars do you recommend?
Generally, what is the price (bar fine, LT, ST)?
4) Is there an option like love motel / hotel by hour?
The following one seems to be guest friendly. I am interested in it since it is away from the busy Suk st and I hope I can have a good sleep at night.
The joiner policy: is it 1 guest / night or 1 guest / stay (maybe the former)?
Citadines Sukhumvit 8 Bangkok.
5) I read a lot of scams about the Thai Taxi drivers. Generally how much do you pay from Nana / Cowboy to hotel (less than 1 mi)?
For me, first time to Thai, but more experience with Tijuana, MX. Are they similar?
Thanks a lot!
Admin has deleted the thread in the user blog section that this post was linked to for reasons I can't comprehend. I'm not charging any fee myself, it will just be a group of guys going out to Merci. I have checked the posting guidelines and no rule was broken however, I must respect Jackson's wishes as it is his website. Please feel free to PM me for details but there will be no thread to post suggestions for the event in. Just a quick disclaimer. PMs can only be sent by Senior members or regular members with a paid subscription. However this event is open to Senior members only. Happy mongering to all.
Oh, if this post gets deleted, then I will not be posting again about the event but instead will send out a few invites to fill any remaining spots by PM to Senior members.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2026625]You obviously have not read.[/QUOTE]He admits "having not picked up much". LOL.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2026867]He admits "having not picked up much". LOL.[/QUOTE]It's strange that pricing is one of his questions and we were just discussing ST and LT pricing. He didn't even need to look past the 1st page LOL.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2026824]Admin has deleted the thread in the user blog section that this post was linked to for reasons I can't comprehend. I'm not charging any fee myself, it will just be a group of guys going out to Merci. I have checked the posting guidelines and no rule was broken however, I must respect Jackson's wishes as it is his website. Please feel free to PM me for details but there will be no thread to post suggestions for the event in. Just a quick disclaimer. PMs can only be sent by Senior members or regular members with a paid subscription. However this event is open to Senior members only. Happy mongering to all.
Oh, if this post gets deleted, then I will not be posting again about the event but instead will send out a few invites to fill any remaining spots by PM to Senior members.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it was seen as trying to set up a little exclusive forum within a forum. The problem was asking guys not to post there, except when meeting special criteria, IMHO.
I have been in trouble for supposedly discouraging other posters from making a post, where I merely observed that the English was so bad, it came incomprehensible, and objective of the post could not be discerned as being relevant to the thread in any way whatsoever. Of course I knew full well the persons concerned would not be discouraged from posting at all. I just wanted them to use understandable simple sentences.
However I learned that supposedly trying to prevent someone from posting was a major sin, no matter how incomprehensible their post may be.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]Will go to Thai for about 9 days.
[/QUOTE]No one can say what is best for you. Be flexible and try everything.
Many of your questions have been answered before. E. g. Short Time Hotels. If you don't know the price use a taxi on the meter. Do not talk to taxi drivers that approach you on foot (I ignore them completely), just wave to a taxi that is driving past on the move, and tell him your hotel. If he says yes, then can get in. If he says 200 baht, then just wave him on. Once a taxi driver gets out of his car, he is automatically marked as "to be avoided" unless it is to stow your luggage. Do not tell them where you are going. It's only your business. Do not argue with them. Be silent, be resolute. Assume they are madmen not worth giving the time of day to.
Disobey this rule and you will get ripped off, for certain. Maybe it's better to learn from mistakes. Even Thai people getting off a bus at the bus terminal get ripped off by taxi drivers approaching them on foot. You are in a position of weakness to bargain with anyone unless you are certain of the correct price. I go by meter unless I know the price. I also watch Google Maps to ensure that driver is selecting a reasonable route without circumnavigating the entire Bangkok. Google Maps knows alternative routes.
If really desperate, call a taxi company or use one of the Taxi Apps on smartphone. I don't bother myself, certainly not for short distances. Catching a taxi outside the Nana Plaza is not a good place. They cannot turn right into Sukhumvit road. Better to cross Sukhumvit road by foot first, if heading East.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]
1) not sure how to split between Bangkok and Pattaya for 9 days.
Citadines Sukhumvit 8 Bangkok.
![/QUOTE]Citadines is way off the beaten path, I wouldn't stay there, too far to walk. I'd recommend Nana hotel or Majestic suites, you can walk to nana in under a minute with either of those two places. If you go to Pattaya I'd recommend Baywalk Residence for its location. If I only had 9 days I'd pick one area and stick with it, too much to see and do in both cities.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2026979]Citadines is way off the beaten path, I wouldn't stay there, too far to walk. I'd recommend Nana hotel or Majestic suites, you can walk to nana in under a minute with either of those two places. If you go to Pattaya I'd recommend Baywalk Residence for its location. If I only had 9 days I'd pick one area and stick with it, too much to see and do in both cities.[/QUOTE]There is a good chance Nana Hotel and Majestic Suites are sold out.
Other recommendations:
Petal's Inn Soi 4 1450 Baht.
Double One Soi 11 1500 Baht.
On8 at nana BTS approx. 2000 Baht or slightly less.
Citadines 8 is about 1750 Baht. It's only about 500 m to Nana BTS, although 1 km to Nana Plaza, so Breadman is no doubt concentrating on that.
Personally I prefer not to be at Nana Hotel with hookers and ladyboys outside the hotel all evening.
Recently, I went to one of nana place's popular bars and had a few cokes. I was not really into barfining, and obviously I was such a bad customer that I even got angry glances from a male (waiter every fifteen minutes, when I hadn't finished my coke yet. When I was on the verge of leaving I noticed a girl being fondled and kissed on the back bench beside me. The guy had his hands everywhere, and she let him explore her body quite freely. This and her rather small but well shaped tits caught my attention, and I started to wish the girl was sitting on my lap instead of his. The girl and me even exchanged a few glances, and I repeatedly smiled and nodded at her, making it obvious that I wanted to share her company. But their interaction was so intense that I was sure they would be leaving together any minute. Alas, I was wrong, the guy paid and left. My neighbour to my right looked as if he had liked what he had seen, too, so I made haste signalling to the girl to come over. I always like to invite girls of which I already know they are not shy.
When she arrived she took her place on my knees, pressing her body against mine and my hands against her naked boobs. She started moving on me, and we started caressing and kissing each other. A few tequilas were ordered, and a few good old body shots followed. Her nipples seemed to like the attention I paid them. Soon our tongues were entwined, and when not engaged in friendly fighting they went exploring each others necks and ears. The action got both of us quite excited, and I had to open the zipper of my shorts to give my little friend some space to breathe. Soon her index finger started to circle around the eye of my one eyed trouser snake, then she grabbed my shaft fully in her hand. I got my revenge by checking if her juices had started to flow already, and she let me explore her fountain very thoroughly. I opened the zipper of my shorts even more and managed to put my little friend between her slip and the skin beneath it. She didn't realize what I had done at first but when she did, she burst out in laughter and couldn't stop it. By that time I was so horny that I lost the last bit of my usual inhibitions, probably also thanks to several gin tonics and all the body shots that I continued to lick from her breasts and nipples. All I could think of was that I wanted to get inside her. Since she was sitting with her back to me I had to push and press my little friend forward until its tip entered the gate to her paradise. To my surprise she didn't resist my attack but rather helped me by slightly lifting herself a bit off my lap, thus giving me better access and inviting me in. She then went on bouncing up and down on me, the way she and other girls had done and often do on the closed trousers of many a customer. Sometimes we went slow, sometimes we went on it more energetically, and at the same time I could watch the shows on the stage in front of me while enjoying our own private amusement. Of course the waitress noticed what was going on, and her silence had to be bought with a few more drinks. Over the following two hours my girl left me a few times for visits to the toilet but I always managed to get back in when she returned. Finally I pulled out and came on her back, covered and protected from view by my own shirt.
She didn't even ask me to barfine her after the deed was done because she probably guessed that I would need some time to recharge. So I got all that fun for the price of a few drinks for her and our waitress. My best evening in a nana bar ever turned out to be one of the cheapest there, too. It goes without saying that I came back the next night and rewarded her (and treated myself) by paying her barfine.
Unfortunately I didn't ask for her phone number but I found her pic on the website of the bar. Hopefully it will help me to find her again on my next trip to Bangkok!
[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2027040]Recently, I went to one of nana place's popular bars and had a few cokes. I was not really into barfining, and obviously I was such a bad customer that I even got angry glances from a male (waiter every fifteen minutes, when I hadn't finished my coke yet. When I was on the verge of leaving I noticed a girl being fondled and kissed on the back bench beside me. The guy had his hands everywhere, and she let him explore her body quite freely. This and her rather small but well shaped tits caught my attention, and I started to wish the girl was sitting on my lap instead of his. The girl and me even exchanged a few glances, and I repeatedly smiled and nodded at her, making it obvious that I wanted to share her company. But their interaction was so intense that I was sure they would be leaving together any minute. Alas, I was wrong, the guy paid and left. My neighbour to my right looked as if he had liked what he had seen, too, so I made haste signalling to the girl to come over. I always like to invite girls of which I already know they are not shy.
When she arrived she took her place on my knees, pressing her body against mine and my hands against her naked boobs. She started moving on me, and we started caressing and kissing each other. A few tequilas were ordered, and a few good old body shots followed. Her nipples seemed to like the attention I paid them. Soon our tongues were entwined, and when not engaged in friendly fighting they went exploring each others necks and ears. The action got both of us quite excited, and I had to open the zipper of my shorts to give my little friend some space to breathe. Soon her index finger started to circle around the eye of my one eyed trouser snake, then she grabbed my shaft fully in her hand. I got my revenge by checking if her juices had started to flow already, and she let me explore her fountain very thoroughly. I opened the zipper of my shorts even more and managed to put my little friend between her slip and the skin beneath it. She didn't realize what I had done at first but when she did, she burst out in laughter and couldn't stop it. By that time I was so horny that I lost the last bit of my usual inhibitions, probably also thanks to several gin tonics and all the body shots that I continued to lick from her breasts and nipples. All I could think of was that I wanted to get inside her. Since she was sitting with her back to me I had to push and press my little friend forward until its tip entered the gate to her paradise. To my surprise she didn't resist my attack but rather helped me by slightly lifting herself a bit off my lap, thus giving me better access and inviting me in. She then went on bouncing up and down on me, the way she and other girls had done and often do on the closed trousers of many a customer. Sometimes we went slow, sometimes we went on it more energetically, and at the same time I could watch the shows on the stage in front of me while enjoying our own private amusement. Of course the waitress noticed what was going on, and her silence had to be bought with a few more drinks. Over the following two hours my girl left me a few times for visits to the toilet but I always managed to get back in when she returned. Finally I pulled out and came on her back, covered and protected from view by my own shirt.
She didn't even ask me to barfine her after the deed was done because she probably guessed that I would need some time to recharge. So I got all that fun for the price of a few drinks for her and our waitress. My best evening in a nana bar ever turned out to be one of the cheapest there, too. It goes without saying that I came back the next night and rewarded her (and treated myself) by paying her barfine.
Unfortunately I didn't ask for her phone number but I found her pic on the website of the bar. Hopefully it will help me to find her again on my next trip to Bangkok![/QUOTE]Wow, great story. I can see it now, many will be there looking for her.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]Will go to Thai for about 9 days.
1) not sure how to split between Bangkok and Pattaya for 9 days.
Want to tour around in the day and enjoy nightlife at night.
Which one has more selections (of girls) and more fun?[/QUOTE]Without any doubt, Pattaya has more girls. But that is not saying much. Even I you limit yourself to a few bars in Bangkok only you will already be provided with enough choice to last your whole 9 days and still be spoilt for choice.
Which one is more fun? That we cannot answer. For pure mongering fun, go to Pattaya. If you want to mix P4P with other stuff, go to Bangkok. Best chioice is to mix both places. It is only a few hours driving from Bangkok to Pattaya. So why not first spend a few days in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya to finish the last few days?
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]
2) soapy massage parlor. Which one would you recommend?
When is the best time to go (early evening? Late afternoon? Sunday, or Thur. Etc.)?[/QUOTE]I like Annies, but YMMV. Check the Bangkok massage threads. As to timing; all times and all days.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]3) Nana plaza vs. Soi Cowboy, which one better? Any bars do you recommend?[/QUOTE]Again, YMMV, but I prefer Soi Cowboy. I like Suzie Wong gogo club. I don't like Baccara.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]Generally, what is the price (bar fine, LT, ST)?[/QUOTE]Barfine was 600 baht last time I was there (October 2016). LT was between 3500 and 4000 baht then in Suzie Wong. I never take ST, so I don't know.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]4) Is there an option like love motel / hotel by hour?[/QUOTE]Yes, the girls will know where. I never used these hotels though. Much more convenient to bring her to your hotel.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]The following one seems to be guest friendly. I am interested in it since it is away from the busy Suk st and I hope I can have a good sleep at night.
The joiner policy: is it 1 guest / night or 1 guest / stay (maybe the former)?
Citadines Sukhumvit 8 Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I like Citadines, but I use Citadines 23 which is quiet and very close to Soi Cowboy. As long as you book a room for 2 they don't mind if your companion changes every time.
Don't go to Nana Hotel! It is overpiced and bad quality.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]
5) I read a lot of scams about the Thai Taxi drivers. Generally how much do you pay from Nana / Cowboy to hotel (less than 1 mi)[/QUOTE]I usually walk that distance. Walking is probably faster than taking a taxi as that road is always jammed. I was never scammed by a taxi driver. Just insist he uses the taxi-meter and you'll be OK.
From Nana to Soi Cowboy you can also use the Skytrain (BTS).
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]3) For me, first time to Thai, but more experience with Tijuana, MX. Are they similar?
Thanks a lot! [/QUOTE]I have never been to Mexico, so I don't know.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2027183]So why not first spend a few days in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya to finish the last few days?
I like Annies, but YMMV. Check the Bangkok massage threads. As to timing; all times and all days.
I like Citadines, but I use Citadines 23 which is quiet and very close to Soi Cowboy. As long as you book a room for 2 they don't mind if your companion changes every time.
I usually walk that distance. Walking is probably faster than taking a taxi as that road is always jammed. I was never scammed by a taxi driver. Just insist he uses the taxi-meter and you'll be OK.
From Nana to Soi Cowboy you can also use the Skytrain (BTS).
[/QUOTE]Have to disagree on a few things. Try Pattaya early either straight away or after just one or two nights in Bangkok. If you don't like Pattaya, come back to Bangkok. If you love Pattaya, stay there. Don't book everything too far in advance.
For Soapies in general, I would say 6. 30 PM or 7. 00 PM is best. Annies is best after 5 PM.
I doubt you will choose Citadines Soi 23. I hated it. I recall Tansak panning it and I tried it anyway. Hard beds and unhelpful staff poor breakfast options. He was right. My GF did not like it either (a few years back now). Plenty of better options in the area. Perhaps okay If you love a hard bed. I don't recall any other guys suggesting Citadines 23, possibly the worst of the Citadines Hotels. I thought nearby Admiral Premier was easily superior or Mermaid, or Silq Soi 19, or Fx Soi 21. So many other options.Still to be fair, Booking.com gives Citadines 23 an 8.3 very Good rating. Surprises me. Maybe they improved, but I bet the beds are still hard.
If don't want to walk from Nana to Cowboy, take a motorcycle for 60 Baht (or Taxi from Suk Soi 5). Taxi from Nana Plaza not a great option. Sky train would be silly, since you have too much walking to get to and from skytrain anyway, plus wait for train and could be crowded. I take a motorcycle regularly since it is so quick, even though 60 Baht is a slight ripoff price. Sometimes walk as takes only 15 minutes. Taxi should take much longer than 15 minutes if taken from Nana Plaza, simply because it cannot turn right into Sukhumvit. Motorcycle is a far better option.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027255]Have to disagree on a few things. Try Pattaya early either straight away or after just one or two nights in Bangkok. If you don't like Pattaya, come back to Bangkok. If you love Pattaya, stay there. Don't book everything too far in advance.
For Soapies in general, I would say 6. 30 PM or 7. 00 PM is best. Annies is best after 5 PM.
I doubt you will choose Citadines Soi 23. I hated it. I recall Tansak panning it and I tried it anyway. Hard beds and unhelpful staff poor breakfast options. He was right. My GF did not like it either (a few years back now). Plenty of better options in the area. Perhaps okay If you love a hard bed. I don't recall any other guys suggesting Citadines 23, possibly the worst of the Citadines Hotels. I thought nearby Admiral Premier was easily superior or Mermaid, or Silq Soi 19, or Fx Soi 21. So many other options.Still to be fair, Booking.com gives Citadines 23 an 8.3 very Good rating. Surprises me. Maybe they improved, but I bet the beds are still hard.
If don't want to walk from Nana to Cowboy, take a motorcycle for 60 Baht (or Taxi from Suk Soi 5). Taxi from Nana Plaza not a great option. Sky train would be silly, since you have too much walking to get to and from skytrain anyway, plus wait for train and could be crowded. I take a motorcycle regularly since it is so quick, even though 60 Baht is a slight ripoff price. Sometimes walk as takes only 15 minutes. Taxi should take much longer than 15 minutes if taken from Nana Plaza, simply because it cannot turn right into Sukhumvit. Motorcycle is a far better option.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, I really never liked it. Also citadines 23 is really bad, I have stayed at the Citadines in London and expected this to be a good one however was highly disappointed, the shower did not even fit me properly, forget the girl fitting there with you, the distance is less agreed. However the place is bad. Try something else. I recommend the Legacy suites on Soi 29, Novotel on Soi 20 or even the holiday inn on Soi 26,5 minutes walk but worth it. Taxi from Soi cowboy to Nana is not more than 50 baht, if you take a taxi by meter, however after 10 pm mostly the drivers know you are a punter and they will never agree by meter, offer them 80-100 and they will instantly agree. 30-50 baht here and there should not really be a bother.
Thankyou all for suggestion.
Really appreciate it.
It is less than 1' from Nana to cowboy. Actually, I run several mi everyday. It is a piece of cake for me since I also prefer t walk a lot. But I doubt if the bar girl would walk that far. Do you also walk all the way to your hotel with your girl?
Just booked petals inn (maybe quiet to be away from the main Rd). Seems more people prefer Cowboy to Nana. Will see.
When you negotiate it with the girl, say, ST 90 min. Does it start from the moment you step out of the bar or arrival at yr hotel?
Do you pay before or after service? Got poor experience at Tijuana here, some girls got poor manner once they got money.
I've budget for a decent hotel for the trip. , but not interested in a too fancy one. I just hope it is Quiet and Clean (good rest) and fairly close.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027255]Have to disagree on a few things. Try Pattaya early either straight away or after just one or two nights in Bangkok. If you don't like Pattaya, come back to Bangkok. If you love Pattaya, stay there. Don't book everything too far in advance.
For Soapies in general, I would say 6. 30 PM or 7. 00 PM is best. Annies is best after 5 PM.
I doubt you will choose Citadines Soi 23. I hated it. I recall Tansak panning it and I tried it anyway. Hard beds and unhelpful staff poor breakfast options. He was right. My GF did not like it either (a few years back now). Plenty of better options in the area. Perhaps okay If you love a hard bed. I don't recall any other guys suggesting Citadines 23, possibly the worst of the Citadines Hotels. I thought nearby Admiral Premier was easily superior or Mermaid, or Silq Soi 19, or Fx Soi 21. So many other options.Still to be fair, Booking.com gives Citadines 23 an 8.3 very Good rating. Surprises me. Maybe they improved, but I bet the beds are still hard.
If don't want to walk from Nana to Cowboy, take a motorcycle for 60 Baht (or Taxi from Suk Soi 5). Taxi from Nana Plaza not a great option. Sky train would be silly, since you have too much walking to get to and from skytrain anyway, plus wait for train and could be crowded. I take a motorcycle regularly since it is so quick, even though 60 Baht is a slight ripoff price. Sometimes walk as takes only 15 minutes. Taxi should take much longer than 15 minutes if taken from Nana Plaza, simply because it cannot turn right into Sukhumvit. Motorcycle is a far better option.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2027040] My best evening in a nana bar ever [/QUOTE]Congrats, such a sexy session. This is the type of play I love myself.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027255]I doubt you will choose Citadines Soi 23. I hated it. I recall Tansak panning it and I tried it anyway. Hard beds and unhelpful staff poor breakfast options. He was right. My GF did not like it either (a few years back now). Plenty of better options in the area. Perhaps okay If you love a hard bed. I don't recall any other guys suggesting Citadines 23, possibly the worst of the Citadines Hotels. I thought nearby Admiral Premier was easily superior or Mermaid, or Silq Soi 19, or Fx Soi 21. So many other options.Still to be fair, Booking.com gives Citadines 23 an 8.3 very Good rating. Surprises me. Maybe they improved, but I bet the beds are still hard.[/QUOTE]Yes the beds are still hard and that is exactly how I like them.
Soft beds as found in upper class hotels make my back ache. Also I find a hard bed better for making love.
I found the staff quite helpful, but indeed don't take the breakfast option. You have a kitchenette in your room, so it is easy to arrange your own breakfast.
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2027304]Thankyou all for suggestion.
Really appreciate it.
It is less than 1' from Nana to cowboy. Actually, I run several mi everyday. It is a piece of cake for me since I also prefer t walk a lot. But I doubt if the bar girl would walk that far. Do you also walk all the way to your hotel with your girl?
Just booked petals inn (maybe quiet to be away from the main Rd). Seems more people prefer Cowboy to Nana. Will see.
When you negotiate it with the girl, say, ST 90 min. Does it start from the moment you step out of the bar or arrival at yr hotel?
Do you pay before or after service? Got poor experience at Tijuana here, some girls got poor manner once they got money.
I've budget for a decent hotel for the trip. , but not interested in a too fancy one. I just hope it is Quiet and Clean (good rest) and fairly close.[/QUOTE]Pay girl afterwards. Normally time starts in your room but you only get one pop unless you negotiate for more.
For some guys that could be less than 30 munutes. I take 90 minutes often but that is unusual. Girls don't want to just hang with you once you popped so could easily leave before 90 minutes.
Because I take so long, I am willing to pay not absolute lowest. I try to be fair without being ripped off.
Quite a few girls are happy to be my regulars because I am not too stingy.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027424]
Quite a few girls are happy to be my regulars because I am not too stingy.[/QUOTE]Money is the bottom line. Even the girl who was pissed off at me for not finishing in 2 hours and told me to fuck off a few weeks ago wanted to go home with me again just the other night. I won't likely take her again, but I would bet she would be happy to be my regular. I did buy her a few drinks and she gave me a nice crotch grinding dance in the bar. I normally buy these girls as many drinks as they want and give them 2500 for short time. Unless I am mistaken, I think that's pretty much the going rate in the go-gos these days. Or am I overpaying?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2027183]I like Citadines, but I use Citadines 23 which is quiet and very close to Soi Cowboy. As long as you book a room for 2 they don't mind if your companion changes every time..[/QUOTE]Have the girls that you barfined walked back to the citadines or did you have to use a taxi?
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2026718]
For me, first time to Thai, but more experience with Tijuana, MX. Are they similar?
[/QUOTE]I've been to Tijuana many times, but have only spent 3 weeks in Thailand. IMHO, they are not similar, I find Thailand much more enjoyable. More places to find more girls, lower prices, better service, longer time for the basic short time (ST) session, more kinds of places to meet girls, more slim girls, fewer heavy girls, cleaner people (shower before you meet, before sex, and after sex), never feel rushed, BBBJ is common, BBFS is sometimes offered, lower priced drinks for you and her, street girls (freelancers) are not locked into one particular filthy hotel, many more girls on stage than you will ever see in Tijuana, and never feel in danger from police or street thugs.
Tijuana might have a couple of advantages for some people. I never looked for it, but I never ran into a Thai girl that offered 200 peso quickies like the alley girls in Tijuana ($11 or 400 baht). In Thailand you need to be on careful outlook for ladyboys, they are everywhere in the Thailand hooker zones and in higher concentrations than on Ninos Heros in Tijuana.
Of course, it is a much different culture. I've always met nice people in TJ, but more nice people in Thailand.
If you like the look of Thai girls, you will surely enjoy your stay.
[QUOTE=Citizen;2027291]Totally agree. Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, I really never liked it...[/QUOTE]If you never liked Pattaya, I agree that it's better to stay away. But, to say that Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, is a bit of a stretch. For me, Pattaya is like shooting fish in a barrell.
This is posted differently in Tulip thread also (TBH).
Hi fellas,
I have a question which is perhaps not popular.
I am talking to one of the Tulip girls to join me for 2 days to Koh Samui, but she is asking for a lot of money for 2-3 BJs / day.
She started off with 13 K Baht / day, down to 10 K but nothing less.
I will have high expenses, and will stay at the Conrad. So that isn't cheap.
She is not willing to budge under 10 K / day.
Will someone tell me what is the typical rate you would pay for a top performer for her to travel out with you. Out of town?
And please do not give me a philosophical answer of it is what it is worth.
Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2027532]This is posted differently in Tulip thread also (TBH).
Hi fellas,
I have a question which is perhaps not popular.
I am talking to one of the Tulip girls to join me for 2 days to Koh Samui, but she is asking for a lot of money for 2-3 BJs / day.
She started off with 13 K Baht / day, down to 10 K but nothing less.
I will have high expenses, and will stay at the Conrad. So that isn't cheap.
She is not willing to budge under 10 K / day.
Will someone tell me what is the typical rate you would pay for a top performer for her to travel out with you. Out of town?
And please do not give me a philosophical answer of it is what it is worth.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]As I know, if take out lady from Tulip during weekdays is 3000 b / day or weekend is 5000 b to the shop. On top of that, depend how much extra the lady want to compensate her lost if not working.
[QUOTE=Abb8912;2027535]As I know, if take out lady from Tulip during weekdays is 3000 b / day or weekend is 5000 b to the shop. On top of that, depend how much extra the lady want to compensate her lost if not working.[/QUOTE]Are those rates for ST or LT? And I suppose its for within BKK. What about out of BKK?
Maybe the girl already included the barfine in her price. Still high but not the worse if that's the case. Barfines can always be avoided if you go with the girl on their days off.
[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2027538]Are those rates for ST or LT? And I suppose its for within BKK. What about out of BKK?[/QUOTE]The rate is for 1 day, if the lady not showing for work, she need to pay shop that amount / day.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2027477]I never looked for it, but I never ran into a Thai girl that offered 200 peso quickies like the alley girls in Tijuana ($11 or 400 baht).[/QUOTE]
It exists in the alleys of Chinatown and Khlong Lot. 200-600 baht quickies are the norm in that market segment. It's sketchy and awful of course, especially the under 500 baht ones, but not dangerous in terms of personal safety (STDs are a different matter).
[QUOTE=Tinny2000;2027304]Do you pay before or after service? Got poor experience at Tijuana here, some girls got poor manner once they got money.[/QUOTE]It has bee repeated ad nauseam on this thread (and others). DO NOT pay before the service. And pay the full agreed amount only if you have got ticks on all the items you asked for. And tip well if the service was good.
[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2027532]And please do not give me a philosophical answer of it is what it is worth.[/QUOTE]This might a philosophical response depending on how you view it, but frankly how does it matter? No matter what advice you get from board members on daily rates for a Tulip girl, what really matters is the price point your girl agrees to. The rest is simply noise.
That said 10 K a day sounds preposterous.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2027611]SNIP
That said 10 K a day sounds preposterous.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I have concluded that when I hear prices like that they really do not want to go with me. Not that he asked but this also ties into the recent discussion about the pros and cons of a multi-day adventure. There are so many opportunities all over Thailand that my own choice would be to just go find what I want when I get there. But that's just me. I don't even want LT any more since it has all changed so much.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2027611]This might a philosophical response depending on how you view it, but frankly how does it matter? No matter what advice you get from board members on daily rates for a Tulip girl, what really matters is the price point your girl agrees to. The rest is simply noise.
That said 10 K a day sounds preposterous.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I don't think I am going with this plan.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2027615]Agreed. I have concluded that when I hear prices like that they really do not want to go with me. Not that he asked but this also ties into the recent discussion about the pros and cons of a multi-day adventure. There are so many opportunities all over Thailand that my own choice would be to just go find what I want when I get there. But that's just me. I don't even want LT any more since it has all changed so much.[/QUOTE]On 2nd thoughts. I see your point, and will not plan to blow $$$ for someone who doesn't even fancy it.
[QUOTE=Abb8912;2027535]As I know, if take out lady from Tulip during weekdays is 3000 b / day or weekend is 5000 b to the shop. On top of that, depend how much extra the lady want to compensate her lost if not working.[/QUOTE]It is probable that this money paid to Tulip in part of the 10 K, in which case her charge may not be so over the top.
Anyway, as Blanqui say, it purely depends on the particular girl and her situation, how much she needs to make. If it's too high for you, don't take her. It's unfortunate that so much money goes to the shop, but that is how it is.
She probably has bills to pay so she can't afford to loose money.
Around 2008 or so I took a Tulip girl away on holiday similar to Kho Samui, and had a great time. I paid the money for Tulip and for her separately or maybe she handled both amounts. Her fee was "up to you" but she trusted I would pay her properly having known me a long time, I am sure. So I tried to estimate how much she would make per day normally. Wasn't easy. Of course she had a good time too, so that was a factor in her accepting. Far less sex work than normal for her. Dining on great seafood, coral and tropical fish snorkelling etc., seeing the beautiful natural scenery things.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2027469]Have the girls that you barfined walked back to the citadines or did you have to use a taxi?[/QUOTE]In my experience it is like this; if the girl can see the hotel from her bar (or around the corner) she is willing to walk. If not. You have to go for.
A taxi or a bike. Thai people in general are lazy to walk. I once took a bar girl for visit to Europe (Scandinavia) and one of the biggest cultural.
Differences she noticed was that Europeans like to walk. Thai people try to avoid it. I guess the climate is a major reason. But bargirls often wear high heals.
And they are not suitable for long walks. Never had any problems with taxi; they are air conditioned, cheap and plentiful. A great service in Bangkok.
So people should not worry, just ask them to go by the meter. If they refuse, take the next taxi until you find someone that will.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2027508]If you never liked Pattaya, I agree that it's better to stay away. But, to say that Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, is a bit of a stretch. For me, Pattaya is like shooting fish in a barrell.[/QUOTE]Yes fine, however some people inexplicably don't like fish, or certainly not shooting them in a barrel (boring). By hit and miss, he means whether Pattaya as a whole is going to appeal to the guy, which surely depends on what the guy is looking for. I have certainly heard of guys who went to Pattaya and did not find anything impressive. Could be they had a very negative attitude to start with, who knows?
[QUOTE=Breadman;2027469]Have the girls that you barfined walked back to the citadines or did you have to use a taxi?[/QUOTE]Maybe you ask a rhetorical question, I am not sure.
From Cowboy, some girls would be prepared to walk to Citadines 23 (4 minutes walk), others are scared of the dark Soi 23. I would not ask a girl to walk it. I offer them a taxi and they can refuse it (suggest walking) if they want. I am thinking of Admiral Premier which is a similar distance or very slightly further (5 minutes walk maybe). The taxi will cost the minimum which is 40 Baht because it's so close, and most drivers are happy to make 40 Baht in less than 5 minutes work.
Many times I was taking two girls from Suzi Wong, to Admiral Premier in a taxi, sometimes even 3, to make the taxi full. Only 400 metres to get there and no traffic.
A vast difference from taking a girl from Nana Plaza to Citadines 8, which would very inconvenient indeed, even by taxi. He would have to walk the girl at least to Soi 3/1 or Soi 5 before catching a taxi, and even then it can't go direct.
So it's easy to see why you stay so close to Nana Plaza to avoid need for taxis altogether.
I prefer to stay in Hotels on the East side of Asoke / Ratchadaphisek, or North side of Sukumvit, mostly, to make things easier for me. Of course I visit Nana Plaza infrequently.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027666]Yes fine, however some people inexplicably don't like fish, or certainly not shooting them in a barrel (boring). By hit and miss, he means whether Pattaya as a whole is going to appeal to the guy, which surely depends on what the guy is looking for. I have certainly heard of guys who went to Pattaya and did not find anything impressive. Could be they had a very negative attitude to start with, who knows?[/QUOTE]Attitude makes all the difference in this hobby. Cannot say that BKK or Pattaya are disappointments. They are just different. Both offer the punter a chance to punt and if lucky win big. I have been in both places many times and find them variable depending on nights and some days. Some times you strike gold and sometimes nothing really grabs your attention. That said, given what we have to put up with in our home countries I would take less in BKK and Pattaya anytime.
The mongering tour is fun just because it provides us with the chance that we may strike gold and even if we did not just the adventure is sometimes enough to make it all worthwhile. Whether it is easy or hard to "shoot fish" is not the point. It is about the chance to take aim and pull the trigger in the first place!
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2027508]If you never liked Pattaya, I agree that it's better to stay away. But, to say that Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, is a bit of a stretch. For me, Pattaya is like shooting fish in a barrell.[/QUOTE]Oh, I would go even further than Citizen and count Pattaya for me as a likely "miss" and only rarely a "hit".
I was just there a few days ago and, on looks alone I am not sure I saw more than 10 girls out of hundreds hanging around the Soi 6 bars and in and out of the Walking Street bars that would rate higher than a Bangkok bargirl "7". And every one of them looked utterly bored as though they were over pampered princesses.
On the service performance level, my 4 most recent trips there on the hunt resulted in zero experiences I would walk across Sukhumvit Road and pay as little as 500 baht for much less travel 2-3 hours out of Bangkok to endure.
The only two trips to Paytaya over the past 5 years where I had great sex with lovely young ladies were the two times I went there with girls I originally met and got to know in Bangkok, as was the case a few days ago.
I used to much prefer Pattaya over Bangkok. That was 20-25 years ago. But I only bother to go there now when a friend wants me to go with them.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027675]
A vast difference from taking a girl from Nana Plaza to Citadines 8, which would very inconvenient indeed, even by taxi. He would have to walk the girl at least to Soi 3/1 or Soi 5 before catching a taxi, and even then it can't go direct.
So it's easy to see why you stay so close to Nana Plaza to avoid need for taxis altogether.[/QUOTE]Citadines Soi 8, as is the case with virtually every hotel further down Soi 8 beyond the second 7-11, has a private free tuk-tuk service on call 24 hours a day. I assume a smartphone call to it about 1 minute before you get to the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 8 will result in it being there waiting for you and your girl before you get there. And then it will be right at the hotel entrance ready to deliver the two of you or only your girl back to that corner afterwards or the next morning.
So the only walking you and your Nana Plaza girl would have to do is the 7-8 minute walk from Nana Plaza to the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 8.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2027746]Oh, I would go even further than Citizen and count Pattaya for me as a likely "miss" and only rarely a "hit".
I was just there a few days ago and, on looks alone I am not sure I saw more than 10 girls out of hundreds hanging around the Soi 6 bars and in and out of the Walking Street bars that would rate higher than a Bangkok bargirl "7". And every one of them looked utterly bored as though they were over pampered princesses.
On the service performance level, my 4 most recent trips there on the hunt resulted in zero experiences I would walk across Sukhumvit Road and pay as little as 500 baht for much less travel 2-3 hours out of Bangkok to endure.
The only two trips to Paytaya over the past 5 years where I had great sex with lovely young ladies were the two times I went there with girls I originally met and got to know in Bangkok, as was the case a few days ago.
I used to much prefer Pattaya over Bangkok. That was 20-25 years ago. But I only bother to go there now when a friend wants me to go with them.[/QUOTE]My point exactly I find the quality of girls in Pattaya very average, to each his own though, the saying goes parallel you pay more you get more, I am sure beach road is full of 500 be fucks, but if I am taking a 20 hour flight for maybe 6 days twice a year. I am not really looking at saving anything, I want the absolute best but at the same time I don't want to be ripped off.
I have found the quality and the service much better in Bangkok Visil a vis Pattaya, Phuket and want those 6 days to be memorable, I would not even want to waste one second of this precious time. In my opinion Bangkok provides much better experience maybe for a little bit more, but in greater scheme of things, it's the journey that counts.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027666]Yes fine, however some people inexplicably don't like fish, or certainly not shooting them in a barrel (boring). By hit and miss, he means whether Pattaya as a whole is going to appeal to the guy, which surely depends on what the guy is looking for. I have certainly heard of guys who went to Pattaya and did not find anything impressive. Could be they had a very negative attitude to start with, who knows?[/QUOTE]You got me there, my point exactly. Pattaya has really never excited me, I was really never impressed, as a fellow monger I feel it's my duty to share rest it's up to to each one of us to experience for themselves. So happy hunting.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027675]Maybe you ask a rhetorical question, I am not sure.
From Cowboy, some girls would be prepared to walk to Citadines 23 (4 minutes walk), others are scared of the dark Soi 23. I would not ask a girl to walk it. I offer them a taxi and they can refuse it (suggest walking) if they want. I am thinking of Admiral Premier which is a similar distance or very slightly further (5 minutes walk maybe). The taxi will cost the minimum which is 40 Baht because it's so close, and most drivers are happy to make 40 Baht in less than 5 minutes work.
[/QUOTE]I had a wingman stay at citadines 23, I walked to his hotel to check it out and agree that the street is very dark compared to others. I was just curious if anyone ever had girls walk down that street. I've stayed at the wellness residence which is right by the entrance to soi cowboy, location is fantastic but the rooms are dated.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2027786]I had a wingman stay at citadines 23, I walked to his hotel to check it out and agree that the street is very dark compared to others. I was just curious if anyone ever had girls walk down that street. I've stayed at the wellness residence which is right by the entrance to soi cowboy, location is fantastic but the rooms are dated.[/QUOTE]I did have just one or two girls walk that Soi at night with me. Very few indeed. There tend to be suspicious types hanging around at times.
Sois in that area beyond the Hotels mentioned were even reported as dangerous at night, however I have walked to 7 Eleven without any problems. You just watch what other people sighted are doing somewhat.
Dark back alleys with few people are never the best idea in Bangkok. It's not a totally safe place.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027646]It is probable that this money paid to Tulip in part of the 10 K, in which case her charge may not be so over the top.
Anyway, as Blanqui say, it purely depends on the particular girl and her situation, how much she needs to make. If it's too high for you, don't take her. It's unfortunate that so much money goes to the shop, but that is how it is.
She probably has bills to pay so she can't afford to loose money.
Around 2008 or so I took a Tulip girl away on holiday similar to Kho Samui, and had a great time. I paid the money for Tulip and for her separately or maybe she handled both amounts. Her fee was "up to you" but she trusted I would pay her properly having known me a long time, I am sure. So I tried to estimate how much she would make per day normally. Wasn't easy. Of course she had a good time too, so that was a factor in her accepting. Far less sex work than normal for her. Dining on great seafood, coral and tropical fish snorkelling etc., seeing the beautiful natural scenery things.[/QUOTE]Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
I am re-evaluating my priorities since I don't think I want to blow at least 800 US $ on a single girl for 2 days. Not worth it any which way you look at it!
[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2027886]Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
[/QUOTE]Well it is not insane if you have already done several "dates" with her, including over nights, and know the two of you get on well. It can go very well if you have chemistry. However Tulip is not going to be the cheapest source of a girl for it, because of shop overhead. For a bargirl, you only have to pay her BF per day to the bar.
I did takeout with my Tulip girl several times before taking her on holiday. She was extremely enjoyable to play with on the bed, in the swimming pool, etc. Nice dinner companion too. Had pretty good English. Plenty of fun activities. She potentially could have made a great GF, since I don't get enough sex from current GF.
However it matters how keen the girl is on the idea. If you decide she is very keen and you can afford the price, it might be great (or it might not). We can't predict. Try to have some interesting activities. Check if she likes to be in the sun or very scared of getting a tan.
[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2027886]Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
I am re-evaluating my priorities since I don't think I want to blow at least 800 US $ on a single girl for 2 days. Not worth it any which way you look at it![/QUOTE]Although Koh Samui has plenty of bar girls and full service massage girls, in my limited experience they are not the quality that you see in Bangkok. I spent a good deal of time in Chaweng and Lamai, but no time near the Conrad. When I return to Koh Samui, I'll probably bring a girl with me.
[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2027886]Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
I am re-evaluating my priorities since I don't think I want to blow at least 800 US $ on a single girl for 2 days. Not worth it any which way you look at it![/QUOTE]10,000 per day is totally reasonable for her. That is 270 USD per day.
[QUOTE=Dirty Tom;2027515]Hi fellas,
I have a question which is perhaps not popular.
Posting it in this thread because all you guys know what Tulip high performer means.
I am talking to one of them to join me for 2 days to Koh Samui, but she is asking for a lot of money for 2-3 BJs / day.
Started off with 13 K Baht / day, down to 10 K but nothing less.
I will have high expenses, and will stay at the Conrad. So that isn't cheap.
She is not willing to budge under 10 K / day.
Will someone tell me what is the typical rate you would pay for a Golf / Dao / June / Yok / Nice / Opor / etc. For them to join you out of town?
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2027886]Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
I am re-evaluating my priorities since I don't think I want to blow at least 800 US $ on a single girl for 2 days. Not worth it any which way you look at it![/QUOTE]10,000 per day is totally reasonable for her. That is 270 USD per day. Well under 800 USD. I read in one of your posts that she would accept 10,000 Baht per day and no less. For 2 days, that's a good deal. You better find a girl on Thai Friendly for this because you clearly can't afford 540 USD total for 2 days for her. Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she agree to 10,000 Baht per day?
Most Thai girls are allowing me to put one or two fingers deep in their pussy. Is this normal, or did I just get lucky and choose easy girls? I mean I know some girls are scared of fingernails.
Occasionally I find a sponge stuffed in there about 2 or 3 inches in. Then have to get that removed before sex is possible. My dick is quite a bit bigger than 3 inches. LOL
Girls sometimes put a sponge in when period about to start or about to finish. Fucking against a sponge does not feel at all like a nice soft smooth pussy. It's bad. Many girls claim that guys don't know and can't tell the difference. However makes fucking impossible for me. My dick flags very quick since doesn't go in easy and feels wrong. A bit of period colour is easier to bear for me, should there be any.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2028115]Most Thai girls are allowing me to put one or two fingers deep in their pussy. Is this normal, or did I just get lucky and choose easy girls? I mean I know some girls are scared of fingernails..[/QUOTE]In my experience is normal, I don't remember any thai girls who complained about fingering her pussy.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2028141]In my experience is normal, I don't remember any thai girls who complained about fingering her pussy.[/QUOTE]Agreed, it's normal.
Hi guys,
I'll be hitting Bangkok on the 8th of May for 5 nights (I will be in Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th) who would be available to meet around those dates for a drink?
A bit more about myself: I'm a 28 years old French guy living in Paris, I've been a few times in Bangkok and I had fun mongering there but mostly massages places and outcall (mango, tulip and so forth) but, although it may sound curious, I haven't actually tried a gogo bar, picked up a freelance or barfined a girl. The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. So would anyone be up for a one (or a few) nights there?
P.S: don't take it personally but I would like meeting someone (around) my age (25 - 40) as I wouldn't want to be in a "dad & son are hitting on girls" situation.
Cheers.
I was intending to go to Emannuelle but the girl was away today.
Ended up going to Angel Witch to see a girl that looked a bit sexy previously. #33 May. Cute mouth. Short. Childish voice. Very shy at first. Supposedly 26 years old. She seemed slightly in a hurry to get barfined. Perhaps first bad sign. She was all natural and no baby. Tick for that. She was willing to kiss in the bar a bit. A good sign. However wasn't exactly what you expect from a tongue kiss. 2nd bad sign. She asked did I want ST or LT? I explained I take normally ST first up and only LT with great girls. She said she would have liked LT. Again a bit strange. There was no agreed price. I thought this was supposed to be an indicator that the girl was confident she would please. Ha Ha.
Exiting Angel Witch she said hungry, so bought some BBQed prawns. Then wanted to stop and drink a beer. In fact she wanted to go in Bangkok Bunnies. What for, I don't know. Now I guess delaying tactics till she could get a bit tipsy.
Anyway once got her clothes off her body was fine, however now seemed a lot less interested to kiss. Tended to turn the head to one side. Did not want me kissing her nipples too long. She suggested to give me a BJ. I said not so fast. I was intending to enjoy her body a bit. Unfortunately the legs were stretched straight, tensed, and inter-locked at the ankles. Was hard to get her to relax the legs. I tried to do DATY. She was not keen. I told her to get dressed. I had had enough.
She eventually started a BJ, but it was absolutely pathetic. My dick was not stirring.
It was clear that I was not going to fuck her. She just wasn't into it at all. Perhaps starfish would be being kind to her. Dick scared would be an over simplification. I asked if she likes guys at all and ever had a horny mood where she wanted to fuck one. Not clear what the answer was. I asked how many Farang guys had she been with before. Only 3 was the answer despite working Angel Witch several months I think and Hillary before that. Does this mean that almost no one wants to take her, or has she in fact been there only a very short time.
She asked for 2500. Makes laugh. Fortunately there was no agreed price. I had even told her to get dressed before she attempted a crap BJ. I was in a position to pay her what I felt like, and obviously she had delivered nothing, so gave her a very token amount for her time. Of course had wasted further money on her BF, drinks, food, ST room etc.
She actually wanted to go home with me and stay the night. LOL What the fuck for?
I am sure Angel Witch has some good girls. How I managed to get one so hopeless is beyond me. This is the first bad bar girl I had for the year. Every other was either great or at least very fuckable. She used to work in a Toshiba Fridge, Washing Machine, and Aircon factory for 300 Baht per day. Not enough to live on, so that is why she has ended up a bar girl now. She wants to meet some nice Farang guy to look after her LOL. Yet she shows no desire for sex.
Her excuse she is not used to it, because has been away up country a few days or weeks. Ha ha. Never heard anything so silly. I am a bit more used to girls that love fucking. Not a 26 YO that acts more like a 15 YO virgin.
Not just dick scared but seems to be completely scared of everything, being kissed, being touched, the works. I can return to my experienced regular girls aged 30 to 40 that are into sex.
Could she be a lesbian, I wonder. Most bar girls have been fucking lots of guys since a young age. How come not this one? The thing to do is to analyse every little thing that happened that was at all strange, and learn from it. There were certainly some strange signs, that could be ignored in an optimistic mood.
I have had some non repeat girls this year, but can't now recall anything this bad. However I guess a girl like this could not work in an MP. She would get fired pretty quick one imagines. However bad memory. Just the other day had a pathetic girl at Merci Soapy, that I also did not fuck for similar reasons. It just shows that these experiences can be forgotten so quickly. Can't even remember what she looked like. At Merci paid upfront, so money is just lost. However in the end, almost as much money and certainly a lot more time wasted on the bargirl. When try a new girl, there is always some risk. This is why a favour regular enthusiastic girls that want to get their pops too. Should aim to cut new girl tries right back. I normally don't pull the trigger on first meeting a bargirl. Little brain in the dick must have been doing the thinking today. Always a luck element attached to it.
In the old days (25 years ago) took bar girls for LT on first meeting. Don't recall getting such bad ones that needed to be kicked out. I suppose it must have happened and erased from memory. I tend to remember the good girl more.
This actually happened back in January 2012;.
Decided to head back to my hotel in Wongwian Yai from Nana Entertainment Plaza. This was after midnight, and I had consumed some vodka and Red Bull. Wongwian Yai is located in the western part of BKK and has got a BTS station. No service after midnight I presume? It was late and I grabbed a pink taxi. The cab driver was a lad in his mid-twenties. Quiet, which suits me well since I'm not a small talker. My overview of Bangkok was mediocre, but I had a feeling that we were heading in a wrong direction, which happened after approximately 5-10 minutes. I made a remark which he didn't answer. Couple of minutes later he told me that this wasn't his cab, and he needed money for his sick infant who was staying at the hospital, and he added: I have a gun!
To describe my mental ambience; Vodka gives the pleasure, but thai Red Bull is so fucking strong that 4 bottles keep my awake until lunchtime the day after. I'm quite sensitive to coffein, so the drinks made me partially drunk / boosted my concentration.
He wanted 5000 baht, and I replied "no way"! He was searching for something in right hand side all the time (the drivers door) which I wasn't able to see. He started yelling and threatening me while he was driving towards the outskirts of BKK. He stopped the car outside a residential area, God knows where, and explained to that he wasn't alone, and we could expect some of his friends to show up. He drove to several places, and all the time he made me insecure by screaming and reminding me of the gun he had, though I never saw one. My problem at this moment was my internally escalating rage. I was considering my options at this moment: Should I surprise him by quickly punching him and then gaining control over the vehicle? There would be a fight afterwards and we would probably crash. Several scenarios in my head, though all of them would result in a disaster. Bkk cabs have a number on the windshield, which I tried to memorize. Unfortunately du to alcohol and severe stress I wasn't able to store it for later.
The guy was slim and probably 170 cm tall. He wore a Manchester United football suit, with AIG printed on its front. Continued to threaten me, and I was fortunately at a stage where I could control my rage and think beyond the present moment. We could both be seriously hurt in a car accident, he and his friends (whom I never saw) could molest me, or I could end up in a thai prison for a certain period.
My vodka-exposed brain concluded that survival is the only option, so I started negotiating with him; actually I just had 2000 baht in my pocket. (No pussy for me from a gogo bar, since from my point of view all behave and move like robots with no signs of happiness in their eyes. I really missed the German FKKs while exploring NEP. Sorry lads.).
Told him I've only got 2000 baht, and I needed 500 in change, and he should transport me to a BTS station where I hopefully could find a another cab. One part of my brain still wanted to use violence, and he was furious after listening to my proposal, though I prefer wounded ego rather than a death sentence in the kingdom of king Rama. Finally he stopped in the proximity of a BTS station (do not remember the name), I handed over 2000 baht, and reluctantly he gave me 400 back. The motherfucker replied Kap khun krap and made these typical thai / buddhist hand and head gestures. I was close to smash his passenger door, but thank God I didn't. I followed the direction of the BTS by foot for an hour due to extreme rage / negative energy to cool down from this experience.
Anyone here with unpleasant rides with regular taxis in BKK?
I'm excited to explore both areas for freelancers, especially since there aren't many reports on either area.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2028256]I was intending to go to Emannuelle but the girl was away today.
Ended up going to Angel Witch to see a girl that looked a bit sexy previously. #33 May. Cute mouth. Short. Childish voice. Very shy at first. Supposedly 26 years old. She seemed slightly in a hurry to get barfined. Perhaps first bad sign. She was all natural and no baby. Tick for that. She was willing to kiss in the bar a bit. A good sign. However wasn't exactly what you expect from a tongue kiss. 2nd bad sign. She asked did I want ST or LT? I explained I take normally ST first up and only LT with great girls. She said she would have liked LT. Again a bit strange. There was no agreed price. I thought this was supposed to be an indicator that the girl was confident she would please. Ha Ha.
Exiting Angel Witch she said hungry, so bought some BBQed prawns. Then wanted to stop and drink a beer. In fact she wanted to go in Bangkok Bunnies. What for, I don't know. Now I guess delaying tactics till she could get a bit tipsy.
Anyway once got her clothes off her body was fine, however now seemed a lot less interested to kiss. Tended to turn the head to one side. Did not want me kissing her nipples too long. She suggested to give me a BJ. I said not so fast. I was intending to enjoy her body a bit. Unfortunately the legs were stretched straight, tensed, and inter-locked at the ankles. Was hard to get her to relax the legs. I tried to do DATY. She was not keen. I told her to get dressed. I had had enough..[/QUOTE]Sounds like you got a girl that may be either working against her will or circumstances are truly forcing her to be in this line of work. My guess is she hasn't accepted the fact that having sex is part of her job and probably wanted to stay LT with you just so she didn't have to go back to the bar and do the process all over again. The majority of people aren't really cut out for this line of work, I think you got one of them.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2028256]I was intending to go to Emannuelle but the girl was away today.
Ended up going to Angel Witch to see a girl that looked a bit sexy previously. #33 May. Cute mouth. Short. Childish voice. Very shy at first. Supposedly 26 years old. She seemed slightly in a hurry to get barfined. Perhaps first bad sign. She was all natural and no baby. Tick for that. She was willing to kiss in the bar a bit. A good sign. However wasn't exactly what you expect from a tongue kiss. 2nd bad sign. She asked did I want ST or LT? I explained I take normally ST first up and only LT with great girls. She said she would have liked LT. Again a bit strange. There was no agreed price. I thought this was supposed to be an indicator that the girl was confident she would please. Ha Ha.
Exiting Angel Witch she said hungry, so bought some BBQed prawns. Then wanted to stop and drink a beer. In fact she wanted to go in Bangkok Bunnies. What for, I don't know. Now I guess delaying tactics till she could get a bit tipsy.
Anyway once got her clothes off her body was fine, however now seemed a lot less interested to kiss. Tended to turn the head to one side. Did not want me kissing her nipples too long. She suggested to give me a BJ. I said not so fast. I was intending to enjoy her body a bit. Unfortunately the legs were stretched straight, tensed, and inter-locked at the ankles. Was hard to get her to relax the legs. I tried to do DATY. She was not keen. I told her to get dressed. I had had enough.
She eventually started a BJ, but it was absolutely pathetic. My dick was not stirring.
It was clear that I was not going to fuck her. She just wasn't into it at all. Perhaps starfish would be being kind to her. Dick scared would be an over simplification. I asked if she likes guys at all and ever had a horny mood where she wanted to fuck one. Not clear what the answer was. I asked how many Farang guys had she been with before. Only 3 was the answer despite working Angel Witch several months I think and Hillary before that. Does this mean that almost no one wants to take her, or has she in fact been there only a very short time.
She asked for 2500. Makes laugh. Fortunately there was no agreed price. I had even told her to get dressed before she attempted a crap BJ. I was in a position to pay her what I felt like, and obviously she had delivered nothing, so gave her a very token amount for her time. Of course had wasted further money on her BF, drinks, food, ST room etc.
She actually wanted to go home with me and stay the night. LOL What the fuck for?
I am sure Angel Witch has some good girls. How I managed to get one so hopeless is beyond me. This is the first bad bar girl I had for the year. Every other was either great or at least very fuckable. She used to work in a Toshiba Fridge, Washing Machine, and Aircon factory for 300 Baht per day. Not enough to live on, so that is why she has ended up a bar girl now. She wants to meet some nice Farang guy to look after her LOL. Yet she shows no desire for sex.
Her excuse she is not used to it, because has been away up country a few days or weeks. Ha ha. Never heard anything so silly. I am a bit more used to girls that love fucking. Not a 26 YO that acts more like a 15 YO virgin.
Not just dick scared but seems to be completely scared of everything, being kissed, being touched, the works. I can return to my experienced regular girls aged 30 to 40 that are into sex.
Could she be a lesbian, I wonder. Most bar girls have been fucking lots of guys since a young age. How come not this one? The thing to do is to analyse every little thing that happened that was at all strange, and learn from it. There were certainly some strange signs, that could be ignored in an optimistic mood.
I have had some non repeat girls this year, but can't now recall anything this bad. However I guess a girl like this could not work in an MP. She would get fired pretty quick one imagines. However bad memory. Just the other day had a pathetic girl at Merci Soapy, that I also did not fuck for similar reasons. It just shows that these experiences can be forgotten so quickly. Can't even remember what she looked like. At Merci paid upfront, so money is just lost. However in the end, almost as much money and certainly a lot more time wasted on the bargirl. When try a new girl, there is always some risk. This is why a favour regular enthusiastic girls that want to get their pops too. Should aim to cut new girl tries right back. I normally don't pull the trigger on first meeting a bargirl. Little brain in the dick must have been doing the thinking today. Always a luck element attached to it.
In the old days (25 years ago) took bar girls for LT on first meeting. Don't recall getting such bad ones that needed to be kicked out. I suppose it must have happened and erased from memory. I tend to remember the good girl more.[/QUOTE]You certainly stiffed her.
The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2028429]You certainly stiffed her.
The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.[/QUOTE]Gasp!
You criticized Syzygies on the open board! OMG.
I am fearful of the retribution due to you.
Don't you realize that at 10,000 plus posts he is on track to win the Guinness World Record for number of blog posts in any category?
Shame on you Smoothy.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2028429]You certainly stiffed her.
The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear. The session lasted 10 minutes max. There was no fucking. No hard on was achieved by a very short attempted BJ after I had already announced the session was finished. It wasn't a BJ by any normal definition. No mouth movement or sucking. There was no agreed price, and you don't know what I paid her other than was less than 2500. I probably overpaid. She got more than she deserved. I did not receive a "fuck you" or anything approaching that. In fact she said she wanted to do better for me tomorrow. Yeh right! That won't be happening.
So your post is merely a tit for tat replay, with no basis.
Obviously if I got a full 2 hour session, I would have paid her better, again what she deserved. I always pay more than fairly for the time and effort the girl put in, unlike plenty of others.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2028256]I was intending to go to Emannuelle but the girl was away today.
Ended up going to Angel Witch to see a girl that looked a bit sexy previously. #33 May. Cute mouth. Short. Childish voice. Very shy at first. Supposedly 26 years old. She seemed slightly in a hurry to get barfined. Perhaps first bad sign. She was all natural and no baby. Tick for that. She was willing to kiss in the bar a bit. A good sign. However wasn't exactly what you expect from a tongue kiss. 2nd bad sign. She asked did I want ST or LT? I explained I take normally ST first up and only LT with great girls. She said she would have liked LT. Again a bit strange. There was no agreed price. I thought this was supposed to be an indicator that the girl was confident she would please. Ha Ha.
Exiting Angel Witch she said hungry, so bought some BBQed prawns. Then wanted to stop and drink a beer. In fact she wanted to go in Bangkok Bunnies. What for, I don't know. Now I guess delaying tactics till she could get a bit tipsy.
Anyway once got her clothes off her body was fine, however now seemed a lot less interested to kiss. Tended to turn the head to one side. Did not want me kissing her nipples too long. She suggested to give me a BJ. I said not so fast. I was intending to enjoy her body a bit. Unfortunately the legs were stretched straight, tensed, and inter-locked at the ankles. Was hard to get her to relax the legs. I tried to do DATY. She was not keen. I told her to get dressed. I had had enough.
She eventually started a BJ, but it was absolutely pathetic. My dick was not stirring.
It was clear that I was not going to fuck her. She just wasn't into it at all. Perhaps starfish would be being kind to her. Dick scared would be an over simplification. I asked if she likes guys at all and ever had a horny mood where she wanted to fuck one. Not clear what the answer was. I asked how many Farang guys had she been with before. Only 3 was the answer despite working Angel Witch several months I think and Hillary before that. Does this mean that almost no one wants to take her, or has she in fact been there only a very short time.
She asked for 2500. Makes laugh. Fortunately there was no agreed price. I had even told her to get dressed before she attempted a crap BJ. I was in a position to pay her what I felt like, and obviously she had delivered nothing, so gave her a very token amount for her time. Of course had wasted further money on her BF, drinks, food, ST room etc.
She actually wanted to go home with me and stay the night. LOL What the fuck for?
I am sure Angel Witch has some good girls. How I managed to get one so hopeless is beyond me. This is the first bad bar girl I had for the year. Every other was either great or at least very fuckable. She used to work in a Toshiba Fridge, Washing Machine, and Aircon factory for 300 Baht per day. Not enough to live on, so that is why she has ended up a bar girl now. She wants to meet some nice Farang guy to look after her LOL. Yet she shows no desire for sex.
Her excuse she is not used to it, because has been away up country a few days or weeks. Ha ha. Never heard anything so silly. I am a bit more used to girls that love fucking. Not a 26 YO that acts more like a 15 YO virgin.
Not just dick scared but seems to be completely scared of everything, being kissed, being touched, the works. I can return to my experienced regular girls aged 30 to 40 that are into sex.
Could she be a lesbian, I wonder. Most bar girls have been fucking lots of guys since a young age. How come not this one? The thing to do is to analyse every little thing that happened that was at all strange, and learn from it. There were certainly some strange signs, that could be ignored in an optimistic mood.
I have had some non repeat girls this year, but can't now recall anything this bad. However I guess a girl like this could not work in an MP. She would get fired pretty quick one imagines. However bad memory. Just the other day had a pathetic girl at Merci Soapy, that I also did not fuck for similar reasons. It just shows that these experiences can be forgotten so quickly. Can't even remember what she looked like. At Merci paid upfront, so money is just lost. However in the end, almost as much money and certainly a lot more time wasted on the bargirl. When try a new girl, there is always some risk. This is why a favour regular enthusiastic girls that want to get their pops too. Should aim to cut new girl tries right back. I normally don't pull the trigger on first meeting a bargirl. Little brain in the dick must have been doing the thinking today. Always a luck element attached to it.
In the old days (25 years ago) took bar girls for LT on first meeting. Don't recall getting such bad ones that needed to be kicked out. I suppose it must have happened and erased from memory. I tend to remember the good girl more.[/QUOTE]Living here in ground zero of Bangkok's red light district and being out on the hunt fairly often, I have had several weirdo Jekyll & Hyde transformation bargirls like that over the past few years. I still sense a tendency for you to "share the blame", as in for not recognizing certain signs or that you hadn't learned enough in all the years of mongering to avoid this particular scammer ("The thing to do is to analyse every little thing that happened that was at all strange, and learn from it. There were certainly some strange signs, that could be ignored in an optimistic mood", etc.) To that I say hogwash. There is no amount of street smarts, experience, facility with the language or the culture that can prevent determined little scammers from scamming you (us). Some of them are just too good at it! LOL. The experienced punter will simply embrace that reality and not in any way, shape or form excuse it or assume any personal responsibility for allowing it to happen.
Personally, even if I HAD negotiated a firm 2,500 baht in the bar for her services back in my room, I still would have felt 100% justified in handing her a pittance, I. E. 100 baht if stuck in a nearby ST room with her or for taxi fare if she was in my apartment, if that, explained as best I could with a hearty laugh about why I was giving her almost nothing and shown her the door. That little tartlet knew exactly what she was doing, no doubt has gotten away with it dozens of times with previous customers and was very much due for a big wake up call about it.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2028466]Just to be clear. The session lasted 10 minutes max. There was no fucking. No hard on was achieved by a very short attempted BJ after I had already announced the session was finished. It wasn't a BJ by any normal definition. No mouth movement or sucking. There was no agreed price, and you don't know what I paid her other than was less than 2500. I probably overpaid. She got more than she deserved. I did not receive a "fuck you" or anything approaching that. In fact she said she wanted to do better for me tomorrow. Yeh right! That won't be happening.
So your post is merely a tit for tat replay, with no basis.
Obviously if I got a full 2 hour session, I would have paid her better, again what she deserved. I always pay more than fairly for the time and effort the girl put in, unlike plenty of others.[/QUOTE]I probably have 5-6 Line numbers for girls who pulled that shit and still wanted to play the "innocent" all the way to the end by insisting we exchange the information so she could "do better for me tomorrow. " None of them have ever contacted me later about it and I have not contacted any of them. There might not be a bigger tell for their full self-awareness that they are scammers and in the business to do nothing other than scam customers than when they pretend to be utterly oblivious of what just transpired and hope you will go away quietly if they can make you think this was just the shy, innocently faltering beginning of wonderful things to cum next time. LOL.
You are on the wrong channel! This goes to what they call "Travel annoucement" group!. Also, do yourself and ISG a favor by paying up the yearly subscription. So folks can PM you.
[QUOTE=Valoulou;2028246]Hi guys,
I'll be hitting Bangkok on the 8th of May for 5 nights (I will be in Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th) who would be available to meet around those dates for a drink?
A bit more about myself: I'm a 28 years old French guy living in Paris, I've been a few times in Bangkok and I had fun mongering there but mostly massages places and outcall (mango, tulip and so forth) but, although it may sound curious, I haven't actually tried a gogo bar, picked up a freelance or barfined a girl. The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. So would anyone be up for a one (or a few) nights there?
P.S: don't take it personally but I would like meeting someone (around) my age (25 - 40) as I wouldn't want to be in a "dad & son are hitting on girls" situation.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2028256]I have had some non repeat girls this year, but can't now recall anything this bad. However I guess a girl like this could not work in an MP. She would get fired pretty quick one imagines. However bad memory. Just the other day had a pathetic girl at Merci Soapy, that I also did not fuck for similar reasons. It just shows that these experiences can be forgotten so quickly. Can't even remember what she looked like. At Merci paid upfront, so money is just lost. However in the end, almost as much money and certainly a lot more time wasted on the bargirl. When try a new girl, there is always some risk. This is why a favour regular enthusiastic girls that want to get their pops too. Should aim to cut new girl tries right back. I normally don't pull the trigger on first meeting a bargirl. Little brain in the dick must have been doing the thinking today. Always a luck element attached to it.[/QUOTE]With trying dozens of NEP area street girls one occasionally encounters one like this.
Over 80% of the time I stick with keepers who are consistently great rather than try an unknown.
Unknown girls, those I've never bedded before, are seldom up to the standard of becoming a keeper. That is, a member of my harem!
New girls are seldom worth a repeat since they are not up to the standard of those in the harem. They are taken when others are unavailable.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2028474]I probably have 5-6 Line numbers for girls who pulled that shit and still wanted to play the "innocent" all the way to the end by insisting we exchange the information so she could "do better for me tomorrow. " None of them have ever contacted me later about it and I have not contacted any of them. There might not be a bigger tell for their full self-awareness that they are scammers and in the business to do nothing other than scam customers than when they pretend to be utterly oblivious of what just transpired and hope you will go away quietly if they can make you think this was just the shy, innocently faltering beginning of wonderful things to cum next time. LOL.[/QUOTE]Very puzzling girl. She seemed to be shit scared of Farangs sexually on the bed, but said to taxi driver how much she would like to find a Farang boyfriend. Why wouldn't the girl just be a star fish and try to put up with the experience, and maybe learn something from it, rather than resist?
Yes scamming is one possible conclusion, which did not really occur to me. I guess its a case of wants the money, but does not want to provide anything for that, but was also clueless. She knew that BJ "smoking" existed, and wanted to move to that in a hurry, but had no clue how it is done. Her BJ scores a zero out of 10. Maybe I should score her 1 since it was not really painful, it was just a nothing. More bad hand action than anything else.
The bad sign is that the girl was in a hurry to get BFed. I believe experience shows that the more a girl tries to rush you, the more you should not take her. She was too shy to be pushy though. If pushy, I would have rejected her fairly quickly. Then requesting LT instead of ST on first meeting should also be a warning sign, something is not right. Finally her in the bar kiss was a bit strange. Not sexy enough in hindsight. The signs were very little, indeed yes. She seemed keen at first. However it was clearly just keen to get money, and not keen to have a good time.
The biggest thing I learned already, is if at all possible, don't pull the trigger on bargirls the first time you meet them, have extreme patience. All of my regular current girls at Crazy House were not barfined, till quite some time after I first met them. I took a lot of time to get around to it. With two of them I had slights doubts at first till I got to know them. The other, Jane, had no doubts about, just she was too popular and heavily booked. When a girl has plenty of repeat customers, you don't feel concerned that she is going to be a scammer naturally. Obviously a girl with no repeat customers, is a risk.
CH would be the only bar where I have got to observe girls' histories over a significant period and have clues about their character. This was not the case in the early times there, so made a few mistakes with dick scared girls or star fish. Dick scared girls are hard to predict because they are good for one customer and bad for the next.
[QUOTE=Valoulou;2028246]Hi guys,
I'll be hitting Bangkok on the 8th of May for 5 nights (I will be in Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th) who would be available to meet around those dates for a drink?
A bit more about myself: I'm a 28 years old French guy living in Paris, I've been a few times in Bangkok and I had fun mongering there but mostly massages places and outcall (mango, tulip and so forth) but, although it may sound curious, I haven't actually tried a gogo bar, picked up a freelance or barfined a girl. The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. So would anyone be up for a one (or a few) nights there?
P.S: don't take it personally but I would like meeting someone (around) my age (25 - 40) as I wouldn't want to be in a "dad & son are hitting on girls" situation.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Your post made me really wonder. Why are you reluctant to drink alone in a go-go bar? And why do you plan trips to Bangkok and Pattaya if this is a problem? By all means. If you can find a wingman it can be a good experience so good luck. Personally I always go alone. To bring a friend limits your choices, after all your friend possibly want to go to other venues than you etc. On your own you are flexible and can go wherever you like. I would say probably 70% of visitors to go-go bars come alone. It is normal and you will enjoy it, don't worry. I would love to share a beer with you and maybe give some more advice but I am not in Bangkok in May. Happy hunting!
[QUOTE=Valoulou;2028246] The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. [/QUOTE]In most gogo bars you will be alone for a very short period, sometimes seconds. No wingman needed. Any eye contact with a girl you find attractive and she's beside you. Buy her a lady drink and enjoy.
Hi,
Finally got my couple of days free in BKK after the office work.
As per the earlier suggestions, decided to start the day at Annies. Walked up there and not many numbers for selection. Selected Say # 20. It was first time in a soapy and hence it was a interesting experience. Only negative was the she has boobies were very small. Being a boob lover it was a bit of disappointment for me. Still she did a good job and had a good BJ, massage and play in multiple positions before I cum in cowgirl. Second round was longer in all positions and finally cum in miss. Showered and left the place. Returned to hotel and took rest before venturing again. Walked around Sois and checked the bars. Finally came into NEP and went to Rainbow. I was not very sure of quality here so don't know the lineup was good or bad. Picked up Nay for a ST and it was average experience since she was more into getting me cum and closing the act.
Went out for some food and drinks and came back to NEP. After touring some more bars, picked up a girl from Spankys. It turned out to be a better one. Session was extensive and took time. She was very cooperative and not very pushy on time. Did all the positions and still had to cum by HJ. By the end it was midnight and decided call it day as was very tired from walking all around and heat.
Will try Billboard tomorrow as it seems to be bigger. Funny part was getting into LB bar by mistake and running out of it.
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2028575]Your post made me really wonder. Why are you reluctant to drink alone in a go-go bar? And why do you plan trips to Bangkok and Pattaya if this is a problem? By all means. If you can find a wingman it can be a good experience so good luck. Personally I always go alone. To bring a friend limits your choices, after all your friend possibly want to go to other venues than you etc. On your own you are flexible and can go wherever you like. I would say probably 70% of visitors to go-go bars come alone. It is normal and you will enjoy it, don't worry. I would love to share a beer with you and maybe give some more advice but I am not in Bangkok in May. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Thanks for your response.
I'm not very comfortable with having to deal with 1, 2 or 3 girls coming and rushing you for drinks or being scammed if I look too "newbie".
I'd figure that drinking a beer alone wouldn't be particularly fun even though Banana Boi said I wouldn't be alone for very long. Which is definitely right. I just thought that drinking a beer with another punter playing pool and so forth would be more appreciable and would also be better to check out girls.
It's like going to disco alone, it wouldn't be that much fun but in a sense, you're right, I will be flexible and will likely enjoy it! Also if the girls I meet speaks well enough english to discuss, it could become fun!
Always wanted to try a gogo place so I'll try some in Pattaya and some in Bangkok, I just don't want one where girls are pushy! Which of your favorite would you recommend?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2027858]I did have just one or two girls walk that Soi at night with me. Very few indeed. There tend to be suspicious types hanging around at times.
Sois in that area beyond the Hotels mentioned were even reported as dangerous at night, however I have walked to 7 Eleven without any problems. You just watch what other people sighted are doing somewhat.
Dark back alleys with few people are never the best idea in Bangkok. It's not a totally safe place.[/QUOTE]I have walked up and down from Soi Cowboy to Citadines and vice versa late at night maybe 100 times.
It's not dangerous at all. That's only my opinion. I'm not easily intimidated maybe.
I've only had one girl insist on taking a cab from Soi Cowboy to Citadines. I haven't stayed there for the last few years, so maybe attitudes to walking have changed.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2028429]You certainly stiffed her.
The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.[/QUOTE]Sacrilege criticizing our beloved supreme leader, excommunication, burning at the stake or being mowed down with anti aircraft fire would be too good for you.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2028524]With trying dozens of NEP area street girls one occasionally encounters one like this.
Over 80% of the time I stick with keepers who are consistently great rather than try an unknown.
Unknown girls, those I've never bedded before, are seldom up to the standard of becoming a keeper. That is, a member of my harem!
New girls are seldom worth a repeat since they are not up to the standard of those in the harem. They are taken when others are unavailable.[/QUOTE]I haven't tried so many (not even close to one dozen), but I agree. Only found the one keeper there that performs pretty good in recent times, and even then, she wasn't outstanding the first time, just "pass with a push". She upped her game, so she is now very enthusiastic, so definitely now deserves the "keeper" status. The other girls are not necessarily total failures, but weak performers, not worth a 2nd go. By "total failure", I refer to girls where I end up cancelling with a non-completed fuck or no fuck at all.
So really the only places that are pretty reliable with very few total failure girls are the PSE Oilies. Very few bad sessions ever from Tulip, Snow White, Mango, etc. Some total failures in other shops. I suppose you could still get unlucky with an inexperienced newbie girl, or one who is not in good enough condition to be working. Any venue can provide very average girls based on your own personal criteria, not worth repeating though.
I am doing 80% repeats myself most likely, from all sources, to keep the bad experiences down, and keep the average experiences down as well. I only take LTs with known reliable girls too.
Over the last year or two I would have lost at least 6 or 8 regular girls, in one way or another. Most just disappear. Perhaps collected a sponser/boyfriend. The odd one declined in service to a point where no longer worthwhile. So unfortunately have to keep recruiting some new ones. Probably only have about 8 girls left that I like to repeat, split between freelancers, bargirls, and Oily girls, which I don't think is quite enough. Would like to add some good priced Soapy girls.
[QUOTE=Valoulou;2028656]Thanks for your response.
I'm not very comfortable with having to deal with 1, 2 or 3 girls coming and rushing you for drinks or being scammed if I look too "newbie".
I'd figure that drinking a beer alone wouldn't be particularly fun even though Banana Boi said I wouldn't be alone for very long. Which is definitely right. I just thought that drinking a beer with another punter playing pool and so forth would be more appreciable and would also be better to check out girls.
It's like going to disco alone, it wouldn't be that much fun but in a sense, you're right, I will be flexible and will likely enjoy it! Also if the girls I meet speaks well enough english to discuss, it could become fun!
Always wanted to try a gogo place so I'll try some in Pattaya and some in Bangkok, I just don't want one where girls are pushy! Which of your favorite would you recommend?[/QUOTE]You might think go-go bars in Thailand are like pole dance or striptease bars in Europe, but they are way different. In Thailand you are KING! If you do not like the girl, just waive your hand and they will disappear. I never had a problem with pushy girls in Thailand. They are very sensitive to what the guy want. If you want to play big spender, sure the girls will come. But they also leave us alone if we clearly indicate we just want to sit alone and enjoy our drink and the line up / show. Some bars have pushy waiters or mamasan, but you can just ignore them. It is their job to push customers to buy drinks and pick a girl, it is after all a business. But remember you are KING! Nobody tell you what to do. It is your money. Your time. Your choice. You are a bit younger than me and it is very difficult to advice another punter. We are all different. Personally I like these bars in Pattaya: Happy A-go-go, Electric Blue, Airport, Livingdolls 1, Peppermint. Remember there are 50 to chose from in Walking Street alone and 16 in LK Metro. In Bangkok I would suggest: Soi Cowboy: Dollhouse, Suzy Wong, Long Gun, Shark. My choice in Nana Plaza: Mandarin, Twisters. If you like more classic rock tunes; try Angel Witch or Sexy Nights. If you like to play pool try a game with some of the in-house girls in bars like Stumble In or Hillary bars in Soi 4 in Bangkok. These girls are available for take-out but quality is just so-so. But they are clever at playing pool! Good luck.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2028766]Sacrilege criticizing our beloved supreme leader, excommunication, burning at the stake or being mowed down with anti aircraft fire would be too good for you.[/QUOTE]Just pointing out his own hypocrisy in a previous post.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2029152]Just pointing out his own hypocrisy in a previous post.[/QUOTE]You asked if you treated the girl fairly. After 2 hours of fucking, but no pop, some of us said no. I didn't ask if I treated her fairly. I had no doubts, whatsoever. I know I over paid her for 10 minutes of her lying naked with straight legs and ankles locked together, and no fuck, with no agreed price set. Unfortunately I did not have enough small notes to give her less. If you can't see any difference between the 2 cases, then everything is just black or white to you with no others shades in between.
You said your girl was good enough to repeat, I think. My girl was pathetic.
I overpaid, there is no hypocrisy in that. I kicked her out quickly, so as not to waste her time and mine, since she was so resistive to everything and so useless, seemingly lacking a brain as well.
[QUOTE=Marky1;2028690]
It's not dangerous at all. That's only my opinion. I'm not easily intimidated maybe.
[/QUOTE]Yes if by myself, I always walk it. However girls don't seem to like it, with street dark and footpath uneven, and they report having heard of incidents in the smaller Sois nearby past Admiral Premier. Bag snatchers working in pairs on motorcycle are not too uncommon in Bangkok. One skinny ladyboy I know of, was bashed by two girls on motorcycle, and had and handbag taken right outside the a 7 Eleven store. Any bystanders seem to do nothing to help. This is Bangkok.
Girls and ladyboys make easy targets due to being able to be grabbed by their long hair.
So to say there is no danger at all, is simplification and perception. I would suggest to check crime statistics for the reality, however Thai standards for collecting data for crimes of violence is very poor. Bag snatching, bashings, etc. Are not seen as serious crime here. Covered up somewhat. A lot of sexual crimes go unreported. Men bashing their wives is not even a crime here. A lot of suspicious Farang deaths in Thailand are written off as suicide, even the body found in the canal with knife in his back. A lot of guys have gone off the top of buildings in Pattaya, known as the Pattaya Flying Club. One suspects that many of these guys were "assisted". True rates of crimes is not known. There are also pick pockets and scammers.
Just a day or two ago saw a fight break out in a caf on Soi 23. Reason not known, but a Farang was involved on at least one side. Did see a Thai girl pick up a solid wooden chair that she wanted to use to smash on a Farang. She appeared to be just someone wanting to join in. She was restrained by someone else. Possibly some were more concerned about damage to the property than to the Farang. Thais can go crazy and especially love to join in to kick some underdog that is already down and beaten. This is the "animal" personality found in some Thais.
You don't want to pick a fight in Thailand. You never know who will join in and how much it will escalate. Anyone looking for trouble will surely find it.
Is Thailand back to normal since the death of the King last year?
Many monger venues were quickly back to normal after the King catastrophe, although some girls did not work for a month.
Some places hardly changed at all. Crazy House may have stopped nude dancing for a day or two, not long. Those that have less risqu behavior than before are probably more influenced by the government trying to improve Bangkok's Image and threat of police raids.
Annies changed from sexy underwear to something else for a while, I heard, but reverted to underwear outfits recently, after a period of declining sales. Declining line up should be the reason for weak sales, but I prefer girls hiding as little as possible. Underwear exposes some blubbery figures fairly well. Actually I don't like covered tits as well as covered mid-riffs.
Bangkok Bunnies seems to getting quite popular based on recent quick stop, however it's not for me with 90% of topless girls having sillies, except in the soap suds area. Pretty faces extremely low. Well behind standard of Twisters, and even well behind Billboard for my taste. Billboard soap suds bath girls were easily better than at Bangkok Bunnies. Bangkok Bunnies is definitely for enthusiasts of Implants.
Compared to 20+ years ago every has declined for me except for their was no nude dancing back then. Apart from that, most places were much more raunchy. Nude dancing first arrived in Nana Plaza at places like Lollipop, Pretty Lady etc. Later it was stamped out in Nana Plaza and moved to Suzie Wong in Cowboy, soon followed by Long Gun and a some other bars. Lack of nude dancing is still the big weakness of Nana Plaza. O.K. I once peeked in the left back corner and saw a LB dancing nude, but I shuddered from the ugly look of that and left quickly. Pretty girls still exist in the industry but getting very hard to find. I am getting very tempted to try the Smooci path.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029205]I overpaid, there is no hypocrisy in that. I kicked her out quickly, so as not to waste her time and mine, since she was so resistive to everything and so useless, seemingly lacking a brain as well.[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, I performed one of the fastest kick-backs I have done in a long time last night. Go-go dancer in NEP's Butterflies that had been lobbying hard for me to barfine her through two previous visits. We got no further than the motorcycle taxi station on Soi 4 at Sukhumvit when I turned and caught her exchanging huge goo-goo eyes and licking gestures with some guy in a tuk-tuk sitting in traffic right there. I realize this is a party atmosphere. But there were a whole bunch of things I didn't like about that going on behind my back while I was holding her hand arranging the taxis to my room. LOL.
I put 100 baht in her hand "for taxi fare", calmly bid farewell and walked away. Heard her say, "NO!" as though this was really a bummer for her. But after that I have no idea what she did or where she went. Although I had met her and bought lady drinks for her on at least three stops in Butterflies, we had never exchanged Line info or phone numbers. So there has been no follow up on it since last night.
Party atmosphere or not, that was behaving a bit too much like a "butterfly" in public with me for my tastes. LOL.
Fair or not? Handled it right or not? Comments always welcome. But it sure felt like the right thing to do at the time. Therefore, I chose not to ignore that particular "save yourself 2,000+ baht" warning sign.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2029263]I put 100 baht in her hand "for taxi fare", calmly bid farewell and walked away. Heard her say, "NO!" as though this was really a bummer for her. But after that I have no idea what she did or where she went. Although I had met her and bought lady drinks for her on at least three stops in Butterflies, we had never exchanged Line info or phone numbers. So there has been no follow up on it since last night.
Party atmosphere or not, that was behaving a bit too much like a "butterfly" in public with me for my tastes. LOL.
Fair or not? Handled it right or not? Comments always welcome. But it sure felt like the right thing to do at the time. Therefore, I chose not to ignore that particular "save yourself 2,000+ baht" warning sign.[/QUOTE]First comment is girls that are connected to you on LINE can be deleted and blocked, once you have no wish for further contact. This one reason to exchange LINE Ids or Barcodes rather than phone numbers. The reverse happens too where girls no longer read my messages. Could be they simply opened a new LINE account, or lost the phone, or blocked out all customers when new boyfriend expects exclusive rights, or they put P4 P behind them.
Around Songkran one girl was lobbying to meet me privately (a repeat) since she no longer worked in the bar, but she was very unreliable to read any messages, and kept putting off the actual appointment, such that it never happened. My last set of messages to her never got read. I do have her phone number as well but really cannot be bothered to ring such an unreliable girl. Probably was trying do secret P4 P but had a boyfriend or whatever. We don't always know what is going on with the girl.
You paid a barfine for the girl, but don't need to pay for sexual services till they are rendered. So I see nothing wrong with blowing her off as soon as your desire for her has evaporated. She can simply go look for another customer. Many years ago I cancelled one such booking with two girls straight off, like that on the way to the Hotel, when I realised that one of the two was likely to be a ladyboy. Once the possibility dawned on me, I was 90% certain. The walk was wrong and the voice a little strange. I went straight back to the same bar Hollywood and picked another girl with big naturals (to be sure LOL), and had a good time. I did not let my evening be totally spoiled. The bar staff would have known I had woken up to my mistake within just a few minutes. That was a lesson to me that bars did not necessarily have real girls only as barfinable. Some years later detected secret ladyboys in Deja Vu. There definitely existed scamming ladyboys pretending to be girls.
So a girl pisses us off, all thought of fucking her is gone. Paying afterward is exactly for these reasons. In a western non-Thailand situation, I have also cancelled girls in the room before any sexual action started, due to heavy upsell or other very annoying talk. So I wasted 5 minutes of her time, but certainly was not going to pay for the sex services part which did not happen at all.
Girls do have to learn a lesson from their behaving very badly. I am not a Robot that can still fuck the most irritating girls in the world. We have to have desire for it to work.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029233]So to say there is no danger at all, is simplification and perception. I would suggest to check crime statistics for the reality, however Thai standards for collecting data for crimes of violence is very poor. Bag snatching, bashings, etc. Are not seen as serious crime here. Covered up somewhat. A lot of sexual crimes go unreported. Men bashing their wives is not even a crime here. A lot of suspicious Farang deaths in Thailand are written off as suicide, even the body found in the canal with knife in his back. A lot of guys have gone off the top of buildings in Pattaya, known as the Pattaya Flying Club. One suspects that many of these guys were "assisted". True rates of crimes is not known. There are also pick pockets and scammers.[/QUOTE]I'm just going by my personal experience having spend several months staying on soi 23.
In most of the western world I would never walk on a poorly lit street close to a red light precinct in the early hours of the morning. It's really asking for trouble.
I'm sure there are been bag snatchings and assaults in the vicinity of Soi 23, but I have never witnessed anything suspicious. No young men loitering. Not once in all the months spent staying on soi 23 and walking back and forth from Soi Cowboy in the dark.
There are still girls outside the oil massage places on soi 23 yelling 'helloooo' until 3 am.
Hi All,
Going to BKK next weekend, and as I got scammed last time with the double lady drinks, asked for cover charge etc I vowed not to set foot in Crazy House again.
So any points on what are the bets places currently in Soi Cowboy?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029303]First comment is girls that are connected to you on LINE can be deleted and blocked, once you have no wish for further contact.[/QUOTE]How do you delete someone from Line? I know how to block them and also can delete chat but have not been able to delete them entirely.
It been a while since I got here but I have to say that BKK was amazing. This is what my sextenary looked like while I was there.
Day 1- Tulip and Wood Bar.
Day 2- SwingersHub.
Day 3- Smooci and Soms Haven.
Day 4- SwingersHub.
Day 5- Wood Bar.
Thank You Bangkok! Can't wait till I return again.
Is there a place one can go and pick an Ebony / African girl around 11 in the night?
I know there are some escort agencies providing these girls on demand, but they charge a lot. I'll land at around 8:30 in the night, just want to go to grab a girl and comeback to enjoy at hotel. Searching at Mixx / Thermae for black girls is baseless since these clubs are racists, so what's the next place?
This time I want to go for Soviet / Ebony girls thus collecting some info before the trip would definitely be useful.
Lastly if somebody has any contact, it'd be a great help if I could get that.
Regards.
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2029347]How do you delete someone from Line? I know how to block them and also can delete chat but have not been able to delete them entirely.[/QUOTE]After you block them go into settings. Choose friends. Select blocked contacts. Select the contact you blocked and you will see 2 options, one to remove and one to unblock. Choose remove and they will be deleted.
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2029347]How do you delete someone from Line? I know how to block them and also can delete chat but have not been able to delete them entirely.[/QUOTE]First hide them, then go into the settings - Friends and delete them from the hidden friends list. I did this many times as I had to hide p4 p girls from my ex thai GF.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2029327]Hi All,
Going to BKK next weekend, and as I got scammed last time with the double lady drinks, asked for cover charge etc I vowed not to set foot in Crazy House again.
So any points on what are the bets places currently in Soi Cowboy?[/QUOTE]Yeah I really hate crazy house. The staff in there are so fucking disrespectful. The bouncers at the door look like they are ready to fight me and get furious that I don't open the curtain fast enough. The drinkmaids grabbed my hand and literally tried to force me to sign the check bin. This is like. Wtf. Most gogo's are very well managed and the manager will even wai at you if he see's you around regularly, and the bouncers will get the curtains for you, the customer. I'm not sure why, but crazy house seems like they think their shit doesn't stink because they are the only gogo on soi cowboy that had nudity.
I recommend Shark gogo. It's worth checking out. But seriously, soi cowboy is crap IMHO. Have a back-up plan on where else to go as sometimes soi cowboy (not being as large as pattaya for example) doesn't have much at all that's worth barfining.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2029432]Yeah I really hate crazy house. The staff in there are so fucking disrespectful. The bouncers at the door look like they are ready to fight me and get furious that I don't open the curtain fast enough. The drinkmaids grabbed my hand and literally tried to force me to sign the check bin. This is like. Wtf. Most gogo's are very well managed and the manager will even wai at you if he see's you around regularly, and the bouncers will get the curtains for you, the customer. I'm not sure why, but crazy house seems like they think their shit doesn't stink because they are the only gogo on soi cowboy that had nudity.
I recommend Shark gogo. It's worth checking out. But seriously, soi cowboy is crap IMHO. Have a back-up plan on where else to go as sometimes soi cowboy (not being as large as pattaya for example) doesn't have much at all that's worth barfining.[/QUOTE]I liked CH for he nudity and the amount of good lookers. Bit of hit & miss as some were too fresh starfish with a severe dick scare, even if they had been rowdy in CH. But last time I really felt hustled, to large degree my own fault going way too deep in the Jack, but then again. Have been seriously hammered in other gogos and still didn't wake up next day feeling like that.
Been a while since I have been at Shark, used to be on of my favorite places years ago, but the lineup turned mediocre then bad and I stopped going there. Suzie Wong was good location a couple of years ago. Don't know how that's turned out after Baccara owners apparently took over not long ago? They had occasional nudity, and some good lookers although not consistently.
Had my sights turned towards Tilac, as they usually have some nice lookers in the lineup. No real nudity, but the no-panties policy has a certain appeal. For some odd reason I always seem to get attacked by weirdo chicks in there, who just won't take no for an answer and stick like glue. But have brought back some talent from there on several occasions.
Anyhow, I probably need to start early and check out a few places. I do still prefer Soi Cowboy over Nana and Pat Pong. Twisters in Nana is not bad though, could be my backup plan.
Hi friends,
Am going to Bangkok / Pattaya for few days next week.
Please suggest some good places for mongering.
Are there any FKK equivalents?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=PingKing;2029493]Hi friends,
Am going to Bangkok / Pattaya for few days next week.
Please suggest some good places for mongering.
Are there any FKK equivalents?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]It is a different scene.
If you are a first timer, spend 3-4 days in Bangkok first.
Chose an hotel newtby soi 4.
Visit some gogo, some bars, RTFF about soapie she and MP's.
[QUOTE=PingKing;2029493]Are there any FKK equivalents?[/QUOTE]Kinnaree in Pratumnak Hill near Pattaya's Walking Street would be the closest thing to a FKK in Thailand. Don't expect 100+ girls, more like 20-40 depending the day. Search "Kinnaree" in the Pattaya forum.
As Bionic mentioned, Thailand is a much different animal than Germany. Girls everywhere to be taken to your room. Spend 20-30 hours and read the Bangkok and Pattaya forums and decide which suits you better. They are different. More girls in Pattaya than Bangkok.
Bkkdog and Parkville thank you both that worked.
Has anybody happen to buy this oral contraceptive table named "AnNa" (see attached pics). Apparently I got to grab two of them and considering Thailand's infamous fake drug supplies, need a trustworthy place to get them.
A shop / chain near the central area would be best. I hope some of you will be able to point me out.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2029432]Yeah I really hate crazy house. The staff in there are so fucking disrespectful. The bouncers at the door look like they are ready to fight me and get furious that I don't open the curtain fast enough. The drinkmaids grabbed my hand and literally tried to force me to sign the check bin. This is like. Wtf. Most gogo's are very well managed and the manager will even wai at you if he see's you around regularly, and the bouncers will get the curtains for you, the customer. I'm not sure why, but crazy house seems like they think their shit doesn't stink because they are the only gogo on soi cowboy that had nudity.
I recommend Shark gogo. It's worth checking out. But seriously, soi cowboy is crap IMHO. Have a back-up plan on where else to go as sometimes soi cowboy (not being as large as pattaya for example) doesn't have much at all that's worth barfining.[/QUOTE]Seems like great exaggeration. Not sure why anyone wants to do things so slowly. Yes you are required to sign the drink bills, so there can be no doubts about your final bill and drinks cannot be forgotten. I don't have any problem with that. Just sign and don't waste time. I can open curtains myself, I don't need any help from "bouncers". I hardly even notice the doorman "bouncer". I suppose they recognise me. Sometimes staff try to show me to a particular spot to sit. I just ignore them and do my own thing. I know what areas I want to sit in. I just ignore any pushy staff, same as at any other gogo. I don't see much difference. Natty Bumpo, like me, manages to have a good time there. Has his favourites. I don't see all the customers of CH being hassled by staff all the time. I watch what goes on. Sure girls approach guys. Sometimes the guy accepts the girl, sometimes he doesn't. I mainly do not. Don't know why you should be so specially mistreated, Parkville. It's not happening to me, or I am just oblivious. I don't go there looking for staff to suck up to me (show great respect) with a Wai. Etc. If they do Wai, I don't care.
For me Shark is such a boring place, and surgeries girls not to my liking. Each to their own. As for the service staff, who cares? I don't give a rat's about them.
Sure CH line up has gone downhill, so I don't visit often, and usually looking for specific girls. Have not found any exciting new girls recently.
I think Carpaccio18's comments were very fair, except that since you have to sign each drink bill, you know immediately what has happened if a girl ordered two drinks. When ordering drinks for the girl, I simply point to the girl so waitress knows who I am buying a drink for, and show one finger to indicate she is getting one drink. I will usually verbally specify as well, so signs are just to be doubly clear. I don't say "tequila coke", since that implies 2 drinks, unless I am feeling particularly generous. So double drinks "scam" is easily avoided. It happens to those that have no clue what goes on, simply as they don't realise the girl is ordering two drinks until they come and the bill shows it. Should only ever happen to any unaware guys just once, then he will wake up, providing he looks at his bill before signing.
Never heard of a cover charge for CH. Was he Indian and expected to be not spending?
[QUOTE=PingKing;2029493]Hi friends,
Am going to Bangkok / Pattaya for few days next week.
Please suggest some good places for mongering.
Are there any FKK equivalents?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]The only place that approaches FKK for nude girls in Bangkok is Crazy House in Sukhumvit Soi 23. Even Suzie Wong is lacking nudity these days. Doll House and Long Gun may have a bit. In a gogo bar you can chat to girls for a while before deciding to risk taking them for sex, if you buy them a drink every once in a while.
I think it could be wrong to spend too many days in Bangkok first up, just in case you like Pattaya much better. If you don't like Pattaya, then can always come back to Bangkok as soon as you are sick of Pattaya, if that can happen. LOL
[QUOTE=BadDuck;2029366]It been a while since I got here but I have to say that BKK was amazing. This is what my sextenary looked like while I was there.
Day 2- SwingersHub.
[/QUOTE]I did a Google Search for "Swingers Hub Bangkok" and it found nothing. Can you enlighten us more about this. I have not heard of it.
Is it something very secret underground? I mean I know that Thai society does not approve of swingers types of activities. Only having lots of wives / gFs or lots of Giks.
[QUOTE=Marky1;2029309]
I'm sure there are been bag snatchings and assaults in the vicinity of Soi 23, but I have never witnessed anything suspicious. No young men loitering. Not once in all the months spent staying on soi 23 and walking back and forth from Soi Cowboy in the dark.
[/QUOTE]I have seen suspicious types loitering, perhaps ladyboys rather than young men, especially around the intersection that now has Whisgars / Craft etc. Once or twice someone appearing to be following me, which may not have been the case at all. I would give ladyboys a wide berth. Anyway, the main point is, that girls in general (not all) prefer to go the Hotel by taxi, very late at night, and I would not let them go to the nearby 7 eleven unaccompanied if the girl needed to buy something. It's a dodgy area, on the cross alleys north of Citadines.
In the past we had reports of guys that were bashed / robbed by ladyboys, right on Sukhumvit road. I never felt that threatened myself, but wise to be aware that shit has happened.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029711]I have seen suspicious types loitering, perhaps ladyboys rather than young men, especially around the intersection that now has Whisgars / Craft etc. Once or twice someone appearing to be following me, which may not have been the case at all. I would give ladyboys a wide berth. Anyway, the main point is, that girls in general (not all) prefer to go the Hotel by taxi, very late at night, and I would not let them go to the nearby 7 eleven unaccompanied if the girl needed to buy something. It's a dodgy area, on the cross alleys north of Citadines.
In the past we had reports of guys that were bashed / robbed by ladyboys, right on Sukhumvit road. I never felt that threatened myself, but wise to be aware that shit has happened.[/QUOTE]Most likely the suspicious types, be them LB or whatever, will try to lure you into something, be it a scam, be it offering some drug, or be it take you to the room and then rob you, drug you erc. These things do happen.
The darkness helps in not seeing much their face for a later identification. They are also few and isolated. So nobody can witness much.
It would not happen, for instance, with a girl you pick up from the Nana car park: as much as they are FL's they all know each other and do not want to have bad girls messing around as then the reputation of the bunch will be affected, police will start to raid.
Even the black African girls at McDonald soi 5 might not be given perfect service, but I doubt they will be dangerous from a crime point of view.
There will always be the occasional rotten apple, of course.
I don't think there is the type of crime we are often afraid of in big cities, in the darkness of the night.
I never felt uncomfortable walking at any time of the night.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2029518]More girls in Pattaya than Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Considering how big Bangkok is relative to Pattaya and how many different venues there are spread all over Bangkok, I seriously doubt that to be true. As far as a concentration of a lot of girls in one small area, yes, Pattaya has that. However, I find the girls in Bangkok are better looking than in Pattaya. 10 out of my 10 top all time favorite girls in Thailand were in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2029717]Even the black African girls at McDonald soi 5 might not be given perfect service, but I doubt they will be dangerous from a crime point of view.[/QUOTE]Like some others, I would like to know where to find the very hottest black girls, I wonder if Whisgars would be a good place to look? I few months a go, two really hot black girls (well actually only one of them was really pretty and really interested me) came in to the Sports Pub to eat and drink and were chatting with the owner. I expected that they would be selling themselves in other locations (80% chance), but I could not really chat her up, even though she said Hello, to me when she passed to visit the toilet, since the staff there know me very well. I could not ask her to go with me in front of everyone, even the staff must think I am probably a naughty boy, to be hanging around that area close to cowboy so much.
Of course I never saw that hot girl again. If I did, I would take her in a second, she was that far in front of all the blackies I normally see on Sukhumvit. Dark skin does not bother me at all. If a girl is really pretty and sexy, the skin tone matters so little. She could have had pink hair, or green hair, I would not care. Tats, I would not care. However I can accept only certain levels of shrapnel (piercings) without going too far. Hardly see black girls with nose jobs. LOL unless the nose jobs are so good, I cannot tell.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2029518]Kinnaree in Pratumnak Hill near Pattaya's Walking Street would be the closest thing to a FKK in Thailand. Don't expect 100+ girls, more like 20-40 depending the day. Search "Kinnaree" in the Pattaya forum.
As Bionic mentioned, Thailand is a much different animal than Germany. Girls everywhere to be taken to your room. Spend 20-30 hours and read the Bangkok and Pattaya forums and decide which suits you better. They are different. More girls in Pattaya than Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Would be interesting to get the estimated numbers of sex tourists in Bangkok and Pattaya, that would probably give some idea as to how many hookers were needed to suit the tourist market. Of course Bangkok with have a vastly larger sex market for Thai men, and also for the large numbers of Japanese working in Bangkok.
Taking girls from venues with mostly Asian customers is a risk for me. The girls can be scared of Farangs, or just want easy customers. So I should be in Pattaya LOL. Perhaps girls preferring Asian customers often choose not to work Pattaya? or do Pattaya girls tell you they still prefer Asian men?
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2029379]Is there a place one can go and pick an Ebony / African girl around 11 in the night?[/QUOTE]I'm not into Ebony girls so I can't give you a list of places to look. I have seen several on the north side of Sukhumvit to the west of Soi 11. Someone else reported them along Soi 5.
Have any of you guys ever noticed the white board with all the girls' numbers in Crazy House? It is located on the wall in the back, bar is on your left and stairs on your right. All the working girls are noticed there. Some have their number with a star like "69*" which obviously means "busy". It is possible to get inside, go straight to the board, check if one of your honey is here and either leave or book her right away. I had a sniff this Sunday at 9 pm, there were at least 80 girls. Impressive.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2029793]I'm not into Ebony girls so I can't give you a list of places to look. I have seen several on the north side of Sukhumvit to the west of Soi 11. Someone else reported them along Soi 5.[/QUOTE]I advise Shock 39 Nightclub, google it. Last time I was there. Several months ago, though. There were Black FL mingling with a lot of Indians guys.
555 no I don't *need* them to get the curtains for me. I just would prefer it if they weren't getting aggressive because I couldn't find out which side of the door to open the curtains (as I am new to CH). I see no reason for them to act like they are in the mafia. The service staff there really need to dial back the attitudes. As for the signing thing, the wait staff forcibly grabbed my arm, threw a pen into my hand and wrestled with me to force me to sign it. Wouldn't even take the time to explain this to me like a human being, just nope. You're a piece of shit ATM, do this, go here, give us money.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029711]I have seen suspicious types loitering, perhaps ladyboys rather than young men, especially around the intersection that now has Whisgars / Craft etc. Once or twice someone appearing to be following me, which may not have been the case at all. I would give ladyboys a wide berth. Anyway, the main point is, that girls in general (not all) prefer to go the Hotel by taxi, very late at night, and I would not let them go to the nearby 7 eleven unaccompanied if the girl needed to buy something. It's a dodgy area, on the cross alleys north of Citadines.
In the past we had reports of guys that were bashed / robbed by ladyboys, right on Sukhumvit road. I never felt that threatened myself, but wise to be aware that shit has happened.[/QUOTE]I could be wrong because it's been a few years since I stayed at that Citadines, so the street could have changed.
But all up I have stayed there about 4 months and walked up and down that stretch of road from Citadines to Soi Cowboy at night maybe 100 times. I have never seen a ladyboy or thai men loitering on that street at night.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2029793]I'm not into Ebony girls so I can't give you a list of places to look. I have seen several on the north side of Sukhumvit to the west of Soi 11. Someone else reported them along Soi 5.[/QUOTE]Climax has some african freelancers. I took one but quickly called it off back in the room. Girl was kind of crazy, and asked for money up front before doing anything. And as it turns out, I just don't really find (most) african women attractive (once the clothes came off). She was a real hassle too, had to threaten to call security to get her out and I suspect that she was thinking of biting my lip or grabbing my junk in an extortion attempt. She wasn't wrapped right and maybe on drugs (as many freelancers are, since they can get high all day and not have to show up for work under a boss).
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2029826]555 no I don't *need* them to get the curtains for me. I just would prefer it if they weren't getting aggressive because I couldn't find out which side of the door to open the curtains (as I am new to CH). I see no reason for them to act like they are in the mafia. The service staff there really need to dial back the attitudes. As for the signing thing, the wait staff forcibly grabbed my arm, threw a pen into my hand and wrestled with me to force me to sign it. Wouldn't even take the time to explain this to me like a human being, just nope. You're a piece of shit ATM, do this, go here, give us money.[/QUOTE]OK I would like to have been a fly on the wall. Can't say I had or ever saw such problems. I guess there can be communication problems due to poor English and loud music.
I read a few years ago about a location in Bangkok that was like an upscale brothel or something similar, had stunning women and supposedly the mamasan of management offered a sort of binder of photos from models, women from Playboy Thailand magazine, and super hot VIP women to choose from. It was pricey but I never remembered the name of this location. Does this ring a bell for anyone, or any place similar to what I'm referring to?
I think you're referring to The Pimp. Here are a few. [URL]https://www.siam2nite.com/en/locations/gentlemen-clubs[/URL].
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2029972]I think you're referring to The Pimp. Here are a few. [URL]https://www.siam2nite.com/en/locations/gentlemen-clubs[/URL].[/QUOTE]I think it might be it. From what I read, the Pimp sounds like a hostess / coyote bar with hot girls, but you might not be able to fuck. The place I remember, had girls available for sex and had even higher VIP kinda girls like actresses or models from magazines. Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions, just trying to clarify and get a better sense, I do appreciate your response.
All the info I did read about the pimp, I haven't really heard anyone picking up girls they're, just guys spending a shit load of money to talk to girls there?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2029972]I think you're referring to The Pimp. Here are a few. [URL]https://www.siam2nite.com/en/locations/gentlemen-clubs[/URL].[/QUOTE]The pimp isn't a brothel. It's more of a show and hostess style bar but on the high end. These places are more geared for businessmen and the ladies don't easily go with customers. You have to work at them over a few visits and spend a bit of money at the club to be able to have sex.
I think what the previous Poster is talking about are the model sections of some of the soapies. The Lord and previously Poseidon, Copa Cabana, Emmanuelle had some editorial models to choose from but they would cost 10k-20 k and you had to be a regular. A lot of these top girls were also not made available to walk-in foreigners.
[QUOTE=Oblitt;2029877]I read a few years ago about a location in Bangkok that was like an upscale brothel or something similar, had stunning women and supposedly the mamasan of management offered a sort of binder of photos from models, women from Playboy Thailand magazine, and super hot VIP women to choose from. It was pricey but I never remembered the name of this location. Does this ring a bell for anyone, or any place similar to what I'm referring to?[/QUOTE]The Pimp.
However, there are no upscale brothels. This and other clubs like it are called G Clubs. They specialize in nightclub atmospheres while you pay for the company of a beautiful lady. She sits and drinks with you for the whole night. They normally require membership fees which are purchased by buying set packages which include a certain amount of bottles. Non-member packages are available at some clubs but are more expensive. For example 4,000 baht per bottle at the Pimp. Often they have Promotions. You pay an hourly rate to the club for the lady such as 1,200 Baht for the first hour and 300 Baht for every hour after that that. There is however, no guarantee that you will get to sleep with the girl. You pay only for her to sit and drink with you. There is normally not a book to choose from. The ladies will be brought to your table to choose. Often 20 or 30 at a time. If you are lucky and can pay, you can take her out at the end of the night. They are not permitted to leave until closing unless permission is granted by their boss. ST will start at 6,000 Baht and LT is normally not discussed or considered. However at these clubs, everything regarding take out is also YMMV. The girl is not obligated to sleep with you. The Popa and Momason will be able to recommend the ladies that are open to this but it is generally not the best option. They will add on extra for themselves and often insist on your tab exceeding x amount of money to qualify. The best way to sleep with a G club girl is to make her an offer she can't refuse when she is being your hostess for the night. If she likes you, there a good chance she will go with you.
My suggestion is for you to visit Lords or Poseidon on Ratchada. This is more of the atmosphere I think you are looking for because FS is 100% guaranteed because that is their business scope, G Clubs business scope is 100% focusing on selling bottles packaged into a memebership and renting the girls time to sit with you.
Does anyone know if soapy massage parlors like Nataree or Caesar are still closed? If yes then why and what is the alternative?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2029826]555 no I don't *need* them to get the curtains for me. I just would prefer it if they weren't getting aggressive because I couldn't find out which side of the door to open the curtains (as I am new to CH). I see no reason for them to act like they are in the mafia. The service staff there really need to dial back the attitudes. As for the signing thing, the wait staff forcibly grabbed my arm, threw a pen into my hand and wrestled with me to force me to sign it. Wouldn't even take the time to explain this to me like a human being, just nope. You're a piece of shit ATM, do this, go here, give us money.[/QUOTE]I am going to admit the behavior of some members of staff is bad and who knows when you select a newbie girl there.
Last night two Indian gentlemen were arguing outside the front door with door staff. I don't believe they came in. Perhaps were being asked to pay something up front (or being denied entry). So there is discrimination. Exactly how the discrimination works or reasons are not clear. Obviously Indians in general are not viewed as desirable. I just walked straight through the front door unchallenged. They would recognise my face and know I have taken a girl plenty of times.
Geronimo (tats and piercings) and also Miss "Soccer ball tits" had been BFed and were leaving with two guys, perhaps as a group, or just coincidence to be leaving exact same time.
I eventually called a new girl to me No. 29 Eun (funny name). When I indicated to the waitress I would her a drink, the girl was not on my lap and spoke to the waitress. I did not hear. The waitress did not look at me to confirm anything, and just headed off. So I knew the two drink scam was on. I needed to chase after the waitress and check. Sure enough the girl had ordered two drinks even though I had tried to signal the waitress just one drink. So I told the waitress she was crap. The waitress said it wasn't her fault, since the girl ordered two drinks. Of course it is. It is clearly up to the customer to order drinks. This does not normally happen to me. I will in future avoid this waitress, also this dancing girl, and also ensure that any girl tells me what she wants to drink and I do the ordering with the waitress. Eun had a pretty face but she blew it. Definitely did not get any chemistry with her.
I can see that this scam is rife with any new customers in the bar but should not be attempted with me. The newbie girl did not know me though.
I observed two Asian guys sitting with drinks but no Bill container. One waitress asked them what was happening most likely, but the communication against loud music was not working. Could be that the waitress and the customers all spoke weak English. I presume the two guys had paid their bill, but were intending to finish their drinks before leaving. Their beers were only half consumed. This is unusual. Normally the bar expects people to pay their bill at the end of stay, and leave after receiving change. However from a customer point of view, it can be annoying if have to wait a long time for the change which has occasionally happened, when bar very busy.
So yes, there are problems in this bar. I will still go there, because I have 3 favorite girls still working there sometimes. It is believed that Crazy House are taking over the Old Dutch lease when it expires. This means they will be expanding into there, perhaps hoping to rival Bacarra for business levels. They will probably need two dancing stages downstairs so not sure how well it will work. Also I think Crazy House has been declining for last 2 to 3 years, so will they have enough business to support the expansion.
Naam used to be No. 54 is back dancing with a new number (72 or 73 I think) and with big sillies, not dancing nude any more. I have lost interest in her. She preferred Koreans anyway. All the numbers 71,72 , 73 75 seems to be new girls or old girls returning. One of the old girls used to have a good body but protruding ears. Now has hair covering the ears so looks very different. Also now sporting a belly scar from navel downward making an extended landing strip. So I guess probably had a baby most likely, although I don't see that the tits are saggy at all so maybe some other problem. It is such a long time since I tried a new girl at CH. I am probably just going to stick to my old sure fire ones until a stunner arrives.
In Cowboy in general I saw pretty girls out the front of several bars, one each at Kiss, Midnite, Jungle Jim's and forget the other one. Not much use of course girls at the Iranian "Arab's" bars. The general rumours, well known in the Cowboy, persists that he deals in Weapons and his bars are just for money laundering purposes, but don't actually make any money. Maybe will try Jungle Jim's one day.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2010758]WTF, only 1 guy pays and other 10 guys want a share for free. That's being cheap at its finest. LOL.
Similar joke will be 1 guy paying for buffet entry for 2 hours, and all his friends are waiting outside of the restaurant, taking turns to get in with every one eating for 10 minutes. LOL.
By the way, by the time I'm typing this, I just saw a Bangladeshi guy haggling for room price at the hotel reception for nearly an hour. LOL.[/QUOTE]Some may think it's an unfair stereotype, but. I've seen it far too often!
Though on my last trip I also saw a 50-60-ish white gentleman argue with a tuk tuk driver at the front of the mall over money agreed upon for the trip, that was a difference of a 100 thb! I thought "Really? Over less than $3 American, you're going to argue with this poor third world guy?
I was getting ready to walk over and pay the difference myself, when a policeman showed up and I thought better of getting involved at all. I haven't been enough to understand what might be perceived as an offensive gesture, but geez.
Haggling is one thing, but being a cheap ass for no reason is just annoying.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030203]
Last night two Indian gentlemen were arguing outside the front door with door staff. I don't believe they came in. Perhaps were being asked to pay something up front (or being denied entry). So there is discrimination. Exactly how the discrimination works or reasons are not clear. Obviously Indians in general are not viewed as desirable.[/QUOTE]The reasons are not clear? Seriously? It's been clarified many times on this forum over the years. Indians, Arabs, and Blacks (non American) are not allowed in many of the gogos because the gogos have had so many problems with those type of people in the past that they prefer not to allow them in. There are detailed stories posted on this forum in the past documenting examples of the problems the bar owners/girls have had. I am not saying it's right for them to use that "members only" line and not allow certain guys in, but I do understand why they do it. It's pretty clear.
It's not just Thailand, the same applies in Indonesia in some circumstances with those same 3 ethnic groups. Taxi drivers in Indonesia prefer not to pick Indians, Arabs or Blacks up simply because many times they are not polite or refuse to pay the fare on the meter.
And for sure it's not racism because American Blacks are welcomed (if they know he is American). It's African blacks they don't want. They also gladly allow Indians or Arabs into any club if accompanied by a white or asian guy because they find those type of guys have been exposed to different cultures so they are not as culturally challenged and thus won't cause them problems.
[QUOTE=Sexinstl;2030290]I was getting ready to walk over and pay the difference myself, when a policeman showed up and I thought better of getting involved at all. I haven't been enough to understand what might be perceived as an offensive gesture, but geez.[/QUOTE]Did LE make the guy pay the cab driver?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2030324]And for sure it's not racism because American Blacks are welcomed (if they know he is American). It's African blacks they don't want. They also gladly allow Indians or Arabs into any club if accompanied by a white or asian guy because they find those type of guys have been exposed to different cultures so they are not as culturally challenged and thus won't cause them problems.[/QUOTE]"Culturally challenged". Good one!
[QUOTE=Sexinstl;2030290]Over less than $3 American, you're going to argue with this poor third world guy?[/QUOTE]One should never argue with a Thai person, because loss of face. The problem can be rectified passively by allowing them to save face. Don't accuse them of being liars or having a bad memory (stupid). Instead, better to always agree on a price ahead of time. Always. If they can't hold to that price, which I think is pretty rare, then I have no idea what to do. Judgement call at that point.
And yes, I negotiate with people in third world countries all the time. It's not my fault that their country is poor. That's not on me. I pay the market rate, not 2 x the market rate. I'll pay 1. 2 x or 1. 4 x for the falang tax, but I prefer to pay the normal rate. I think people who have free and unrestrained sympathy for random poor people are just weak. They'll think you are weak too and gladly take your money and have no respect for you either.
[QUOTE=Sexinstl;2030290]Some may think it's an unfair stereotype, but. I've seen it far too often!
Though on my last trip I also saw a 50-60-ish white gentleman argue with a tuk tuk driver at the front of the mall over money agreed upon for the trip, that was a difference of a 100 thb! I thought "Really? Over less than $3 American, you're going to argue with this poor third world guy?
I was getting ready to walk over and pay the difference myself, when a policeman showed up and I thought better of getting involved at all. I haven't been enough to understand what might be perceived as an offensive gesture, but geez.
Haggling is one thing, but being a cheap ass for no reason is just annoying.[/QUOTE]Just other day I caught a motorcycle from Sukhumvit road close to Soi 13, to Sukhumvit Soi 23, he was not located at a specific motorcycle station point. I then asked how much, expecting him to say 40 baht, since that is what a taxi would have cost (but be a bit slowed by traffic). I was shocked when he said 80 Baht. It is already a rip off when they charge 60 Baht to go from Soi 4 to Cowboy, and this was somewhat less. It was late with light traffic too. When I go from Sukhumvit to Seacon Square, that is 5 km though back Sois heavy traffic and costs about 90 Baht, probably less for Thai customers. Metered Taxi from Soi 23 to Soi 85, again at least late at night is normally 80 Baht in traffic, sometimes only 65 Baht in light traffic. More than 5 km.
I said no way, and gave him 50. He did not argue at all. Just accepted it was fair. I could not have paid much more without going to 7 Eleven to change a 1000 Baht note. I agree with Parkville that I can accept slightly over the Thai price. Tuk Tuk drivers are largely scammers, so not unexpected for customers to be arguing with them about the price. I almost never go by Tuk Tuk, unless there is really not viable alternative. Even then you have to know what is a fair price and agree to it. Not worthwhile to get involved in other people's problems, when it is over such trivial things, especially in Thailand. No one will help you, in this situation.
I normally pay when getting ripped off to avoid big trouble, if amount is not too serious. However in my early days, 25 years ago, I refused to pay when a bar in Pat Pong tried to rip me off (despite signs saying no cover charge). My buddy who spoke Thai fluently had left already, leaving me with the bill and the hassle. LOL I was allowed to leave, when I stood my ground to pay for the drinks only, but don't know if it could have gone bad. I was not going to pay for shows that were ugly and I had no interest in whatsoever. They would have noticed I paid no attention to the shows. The argument was so silly. I indicated that their doormen have the signs indicating no charge for shows, no cover charge. They asked what was the badge number of the guys, since they have no employees working at the door. LOL Laughable bullshit, and I did laugh for sure no matter how serious they tried to look. That I spoke some limited Thai, possibly suggested I was very experienced here, when actually I wasn't.
I welcomed them to call the police, if they wanted to, probably a bad idea as they could come up with crooked police. Better to have your own tourist police contacts to call. Pat Pong did have a Tourist Police booth in those days.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030696]Just other day I caught a motorcycle from Sukhumvit road close to Soi 13, to Sukhumvit Soi 23, he was not located at a specific motorcycle station point. I then asked how much, expecting him to say 40 baht, since that is what a taxi would have cost (but be a bit slowed by traffic). I was shocked when he said 80 Baht.[/QUOTE]The price of rides on motorcycle taxis is something I have never understood. Many times they try to charge as much or more than a taxi. Considering one of those motorbikes costs about 5 percent of what a car costs, their price should be drastically lower than a taxi.
For motorbikes and tuk tuks, it's the consistency in pricing that drives me crazy but, As Syzy mentioned, if you confidently pay a fair price they won't balk since they realize you know what the going rate is. I guess same applies to girls too.
It's why I love the baht buses in Pattaya. You know it's 10 baht and you can get a pretty nice little tour just sitting on one.
Felt like doing a Go Go last night so headed to Soi Cowboy. First I checked out Baccara but it was jammed with Japanese customers and no chairs. There were so many ladies on the stage and really, I don't know how anyone can navigate that place anymore. It was one of my favourites 6 years ago when I first came to Bangkok but not anymore.
Next, I took a walk down the Soi and was hoping there were some cuties in Deja Vu like the ones on the Bangkok 1112 videos but alas from 9-10 there were very few ladies working. It must be a late start there.
After that, I went into Suzy Wongs. Only about 15 ladies there. Some were dancing topless and some were dancing in bikinis but their panties had holes so you could see their pussies. Sat and drank with an old favorite for about 30 minutes. Spinner with blond hair. I think Syggs knows who I'm talking about.
Then, I got bored and headed over to Thermae. I was dressed in a suit from the office but out of a jammed packed bar with about 150 ladies, I only received 2 smiles. Obviously that night the Japanese were in town in droves and were monopolizing the market.
Finally I headed to Nana to Billboard. Upon entering, I noticed many natural looking spinners unlike the many other previous times I had gone and walked out, I stayed. One hot tub girl caught my eyes and I motioned her to come over. She just gave me a strange look and pointed at the waitress. Previous to that another hot tub girl was motioning for me to call her over but I had my sites on this one. Finally, the server came over and said to me. She wants 2 drinks or she won't come over and talk with you. This was very strange and a first for me. I said I wanted her to come over and I of course would buy her a drink or 2 and maybe bar fine her. The server says if you cannot guarantee 2 drinks, she won't come. I became angry and swore in Thia to her. Called over the manager and complained. He told me that this is a rule that all the dancers can't come off the stage unless they get 2 drinks. I pointed out the rudeness of the service and the girl, he apologized and I went back in. Then I noticed a lady on the opposite stage and motioned for her to come over. Again the same blank look and turning away. I lost my temper at this point and went back to the manager. He was furious with the server and demanded her to get the lady off the stage. I immediately ordered 5 shots for her and 2 more beers for me. This girl is number 25. Spinner with big tits, 26 years old. We danced and flirted until I barfined her. Barfine is now 700 for short time and 1000 for LT. I did short time at a local ST hotel off of Soi 4 just after Hillary 4, you turn left. The session was excellent with lots of DFK and multiple positions. She is only 3 weeks in the biz. I paid her 4,000ST feeling in a generous mood. She was a real sweet heart. The sex was incredible and we never talked about the price beforehand so I know she would have accepted 2000. Anyways, the session lasted for almost 3 hours and the ST room was only 300 Baht. This was well worth the money for all.
On a side note for all the newbies. This girl, begged for my line ID and number so she's could see me tonight. I thought, why not.
She wanted to take the night off work and arranged to meet me at The Mall Bangkapi. 2 hours before our meeting she started sending me messages to confirm our meeting saying please come and don't stand me up. I assured her I would be there. After looking through her Line app timeline I decided to comment on one of her posts. I posted love at first site in Thai language. Very flirty thing to do and Thai girls always love when I say it. It's also a good way to test for boyfriends. It weeds out the liars. The last thing I need is a jealous Thai boyfriend. To make a long story short. We never met as after posting, I was blocked on Line and by phone number. This is a great example for newbies because you all need to know that many of these girls have Thai boyfriends. Some even know about their jobs and don't care. Be smart before getting into any kind of relationship with these girls. If you really like one, this is a sure fire way to find the lies about no boyfriends and so on. Some members may think it's ok to mess around with a Thai lady with a Thai boyfriend but I don't like drama so I always test them like this.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2030774]
On a side note for all the newbies. This girl, begged for my line ID and number so she's could see me tonight. I thought, why not.
She wanted to take the night off work and arranged to meet me at The Mall Bangkapi. 2 hours before our meeting she started sending me messages to confirm our meeting saying please come and don't stand me up. I assured her I would be there. After looking through her Line app timeline I decided to comment on one of her posts. I posted love at first site in Thai language. Very flirty thing to do and Thai girls always love when I say it. It's also a good way to test for boyfriends. It weeds out the liars. The last thing I need is a jealous Thai boyfriend. To make a long story short. We never met as after posting, I was blocked on Line and by phone number. This is a great example for newbies because you all need to know that many of these girls have Thai boyfriends. Some even know about their jobs and don't care. Be smart before getting into any kind of relationship with these girls. If you really like one, this is a sure fire way to find the lies about no boyfriends and so on. Some members may think it's ok to mess around with a Thai lady with a Thai boyfriend but I don't like drama so I always test them like this.[/QUOTE]There is a book called PRIVATE DANCER by Stephen Leather that is a great read and I recommend it to everyone. I think you can download the pdf online if you don't want to buy the book. That book is great for newbies to let them know the facts about the Thai bar girls. Very accurate and funny as well.
I get lots of Thai girls Line contacts. However, I simply use it to contact them via text messages. I would only consider commenting on their timeline if I knew them quite well already and was actually considering a serious relationship with them (there has been one Thai bar girl in 20 years I would put in that category). Although definitely possible, I doubt a Thai boyfriend would be a problem because, as you mentioned, most of them (almost all of them) know about their jobs and don't care. Most (almost all) of the Thai boyfriends love that she is making money from as many customers as possible. The money she makes from you goes to the boyfriend so he can buy drugs, booze, new tires for his motorbike, etc. However, I realize these girls have multiple customers and I don't want the other customers getting upset when they see another guy is commenting on her Line account. That could end up costing her money in the long run. A lot of these girls have guys sending them money every month thinking the girl has stopped work and is waiting patiently for their return. As unethical as that may be on her part, it is normal with these Thai bargirls and who am I to interfere with her income? Posting it in Thai doesn't hide it's meaning from non Thai speakers these days due to apps like google translate.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2030805]There is a book called PRIVATE DANCER by Stephen Leather that is a great read and I recommend it to everyone. I think you can download the pdf online if you don't want to buy the book. That book is great for newbies to let them know the facts about the Thai bar girls. Very accurate and funny as well.
I get lots of Thai girls Line contacts. However, I simply use it to contact them via text messages. I would only consider commenting on their timeline if I knew them quite well already and was actually considering a serious relationship with them (there has been one Thai bar girl in 20 years I would put in that category). Although definitely possible, I doubt a Thai boyfriend would be a problem because, as you mentioned, most of them (almost all of them) know about their jobs and don't care. Most (almost all) of the Thai boyfriends love that she is making money from as many customers as possible. The money she makes from you goes to the boyfriend so he can buy drugs, booze, new tires for his motorbike, etc. However, I realize these girls have multiple customers and I don't want the other customers getting upset when they see another guy is commenting on her Line account. That could end up costing her money in the long run. A lot of these girls have guys sending them money every month thinking the girl has stopped work and is waiting patiently for their return. As unethical as that may be on her part, it is normal with these Thai bargirls and who am I to interfere with her income? Posting it in Thai doesn't hide it's meaning from non Thai speakers these days due to apps like google translate.[/QUOTE]3 weeks in the biz would mean it was because of her Thai boyfriend and not a customer. My comment could have been radiotherapy deleted by her so obviously her boyfriend saw it. She said she was single LOL. For the newbies, never believe a word they say. This story was just a good example for all.
I'm more interested if anyone has experienced the same at Billborad as I did. This bar girl story was just for added fun.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030203]I am going to admit the behavior of some members of staff is bad and who knows when you select a newbie girl there.
Last night two Indian gentlemen were arguing outside the front door with door staff. I don't believe they came in. Perhaps were being asked to pay something up front (or being denied entry). So there is discrimination. Exactly how the discrimination works or reasons are not clear. Obviously Indians in general are not viewed as desirable. I just walked straight through the front door unchallenged. They would recognise my face and know I have taken a girl plenty of times.
Geronimo (tats and piercings) and also Miss "Soccer ball tits" had been BFed and were leaving with two guys, perhaps as a group, or just coincidence to be leaving exact same time.
I eventually called a new girl to me No. 29 Eun (funny name). When I indicated to the waitress I would her a drink, the girl was not on my lap and spoke to the waitress. I did not hear. The waitress did not look at me to confirm anything, and just headed off. So I knew the two drink scam was on. I needed to chase after the waitress and check. Sure enough the girl had ordered two drinks even though I had tried to signal the waitress just one drink. So I told the waitress she was crap. The waitress said it wasn't her fault, since the girl ordered two drinks. Of course it is. It is clearly up to the customer to order drinks. This does not normally happen to me. I will in future avoid this waitress, also this dancing girl, and also ensure that any girl tells me what she wants to drink and I do the ordering with the waitress. Eun had a pretty face but she blew it. Definitely did not get any chemistry with her..[/QUOTE]Yes there is discrimination at Ch. I am of Indian origin, living in New York, I was stopped outside Ch and asked for an ID, I was with a girl in spite of that, I asked him why to which he said India, I showed him my New York drivers license and told him to take a flying fuck, I walked away and told him I will not enter a disrespectful bar like yours, don't know if that really mattered to him, however I can ensure he lost out on a lot of business that day and still is doing so. So probably that is what the Indians were arguing about.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2030774]I posted love at first site in Thai language. Very flirty thing to do and Thai girls always love when I say it. It's also a good way to test for boyfriends. It weeds out the liars. The last thing I need is a jealous Thai boyfriend. To make a long story short. We never met as after posting, I was blocked on Line and by phone number. This is a great example for newbies because you all need to know that many of these girls have Thai boyfriends.[/QUOTE]Nice. What exactly did you say in Thai? As I want to try this as well. But I'm thinking maybe I'll post in English and Thai. Mostly to see if there is falang sponsor or 4. I rather P4 P for no more than 3-4 days if they have sponsors that they are milking. They'll just disappear as soon as their sponsor is in town and leave me hanging if there is any emotions involved, or seee if I will financially compete with the sponsor (LOL, no thanks).
Although, I am curious. What actual difficulties does a Thai "boyfriend" pose? Is there a concern for violence here? Or are you just concerned that she'll dissapear and only to reappear when she and her BF need more money?
Oh, as for violence. Here is a Thai threatening a Russian at gunpoint, telling him to stay away from his GF: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIHxZGWMZ4[/URL].
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Oh, as for violence. Here is a Thai threatening a Russian at gunpoint, telling him to stay away from his GF: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIHxZGWMZ4[/URL].[/QUOTE]This is the exact reason.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2030774]Felt like doing a Go Go last night so headed to Soi Cowboy. First I checked out Baccara but it was jammed with Japanese customers and no chairs. There were so many ladies on the stage and really, I don't know how anyone can navigate that place anymore. It was one of my favourites 6 years ago when I first came to Bangkok but not anymore.
Next, I took a walk down the Soi and was hoping there were some cuties in Deja Vu like the ones on the Bangkok 1112 videos but alas from 9-10 there were very few ladies working. It must be a late start there.
After that, I went into Suzy Wongs. Only about 15 ladies there. Some were dancing topless and some were dancing in bikinis but their panties had holes so you could see their pussies. Sat and drank with an old favorite for about 30 minutes. Spinner with blond hair. I think Syggs knows who I'm talking about.
Then, I got bored and headed over to Thermae. I was dressed in a suit from the office but out of a jammed packed bar with about 150 ladies, I only received 2 smiles. Obviously that night the Japanese were in town in droves and were monopolizing the market.
Finally I headed to Nana to Billboard. Upon entering, I noticed many natural looking spinners unlike the many other previous times I had gone and walked out, I stayed. One hot tub girl caught my eyes and I motioned her to come over. She just gave me a strange look and pointed at the waitress. Previous to that another hot tub girl was motioning for me to call her over but I had my sites on this one. Finally, the server came over and said to me. She wants 2 drinks or she won't come over and talk with you. This was very strange and a first for me. I said I wanted her to come over and I of course would buy her a drink or 2 and maybe bar fine her. The server says if you cannot guarantee 2 drinks, she won't come. I became angry and swore in Thia to her..[/QUOTE]The Same happened to me on Monday night, I spotted a girl on the rotating stage and kept asking for her to come down, she kept showing me a V sign. Did not understand, again after competing a rotation she smiles again and shows me the V sign, I kept thinking she was saying that she would be there in 2 min, but she never came down, asked the waitress to call her, she replied I need to buy her 2 drinks to get her down from stage, finally I understood what the V sign meant, anyway got her down from there, treated her to the 2 drinks. This is when things got greedy, the waitress asked me to buy her a drink, an older mamasan popped out from somewhere and asked for a drink and insisted that I bar fine the girl, I asked her to give me 5 minutes to talk to her, so we started talking. I asked her how long have you worked here, she replied 2500 baht, I said no not your short time rate, to which she answered 4000 baht. I said don't want to know your long time rate. This time the reply was 700 baht, finally I understood this Dame was new to the English language, Took out my phone showed her what I said In Google translate, finally got a reply of 4 weeks. Lost total interest in her, thinking that I will need Google translate for the rest of my evening if I was going to take her which did not seem like a very good option, anyway another 5 minutes passed and she ordered another 2 drinks for herself and one for me, not something I was very happy about. Then came the relief, one of her friends then came up and said some thing to her in Thai, she excused herself for 5 minutes, I saw this as a golden chance called the waitress asked her to settle the bill which was 1930 baht, quite bad for 15 minutes I would say, anyway handed over 2000 baht to the waitress, she asked me if I did want to bar fine the girl, I told her it is my last night here, tomorrow I head back, it's only 9.30 pm the night is young let me enjoy, she nicely smiled and said OK, as I was making my way outside the bar, the mamasan spotted me and started shouting bar fine, I simply ignored her and walked away.
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Oh, as for violence. Here is a Thai threatening a Russian at gunpoint, telling him to stay away from his GF: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIHxZGWMZ4[/URL].[/QUOTE]I'm not saying that's not possible. But that video is obviously staged and fake. (Either that or the Russian guy just happened to have his camera pointed in the one and only position that perfectly filmed the encounter and the Thai guy was fine with standing there in the only position he could have stood to be perfectly filmed with the door open and his gun pulled out rather than going into the room and closing the door to conceal that he was holding a gun on a guy). And if that did happen, it wouldn't likely be the Thai boyfriend of a bar girl.
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I'm more interested if anyone has experienced the same at Billborad as I did. .[/QUOTE]I have been to Billboard many many times. I have never had any girl there ask me to buy them 2 drinks at first. One time a girl asked for a tequila/cola and I told her to choose between a tequila and a cola. She chose cola.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2030809]For the newbies, never believe a word they say.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Also never believe them when they tell you they are only 3 weeks in the biz. .
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2030849]Agreed. Also never believe them when they tell you they are only 3 weeks in the biz. .[/QUOTE]Stating she said she was 3 weeks in the business does not mean I believed her mate. Anyways it was a good example of what these ladies will say.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2030843]I'm not saying that's not possible. But that video is obviously staged and fake. (Either that or the Russian guy just happened to have his camera pointed in the one and only position that perfectly filmed the encounter and the Thai guy was fine with standing there in the only position he could have stood to be perfectly filmed with the door open and his gun pulled out rather than going into the room and closing the door to conceal that he was holding a gun on a guy). And if that did happen, it wouldn't likely be the Thai boyfriend of a bar girl.[/QUOTE]I think that it wasn't fake (maybe he had multiple cameras). I recall reading a news article where he apolgized and paid him some small amount of money (no jail time, TIT).
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2030774] I became angry and swore in Thia to her. Called over the manager and complained. He told me that this is a rule that all the dancers can't come off the stage unless they get 2 drinks. I pointed out the rudeness of the service and the girl, he apologized and I went back in. Then I noticed a lady on the opposite stage and motioned for her to come over. Again the same blank look and turning away. I lost my temper at this point and went back to the manager. He was furious with the server and demanded her to get the lady off the stage. I immediately ordered 5 shots for her and 2 more beers for me. This girl is number 25. Spinner with big tits, 26 years old. We danced and flirted until I barfined her. Barfine is now 700 for short time and 1000 for LT. I did short time at a local ST hotel off of Soi 4 just after Hillary 4, you turn left. The session was excellent with lots of DFK and multiple positions. She is only 3 weeks in the biz. I paid her 4,000ST feeling in a generous mood. She was a real sweet heart. The sex was incredible and we never talked about the price beforehand so I know she would have accepted 2000. Anyways, the session lasted for almost 3 hours and the ST room was only 300 Baht. This was well worth the money for all.
On a side note for all the newbies. This girl, begged for my line ID and number so she's could see me tonight. I thought, why not.
She wanted to take the night off work and arranged to meet me at The Mall Bangkapi. 2 hours before our meeting she started sending me messages to confirm our meeting saying please come and don't stand me up. I assured her I would be there. After looking through her Line app timeline I decided to comment on one of her posts. I posted love at first site in Thai language. Very flirty thing to do and Thai girls always love when I say it. It's also a good way to test for boyfriends. It weeds out the liars. The last thing I need is a jealous Thai boyfriend. To make a long story short. We never met as after posting, I was blocked on Line and by phone number. This is a great example for newbies because you all need to know that many of these girls have Thai boyfriends. Some even know about their jobs and don't care. Be smart before getting into any kind of relationship with these girls. If you really like one, this is a sure fire way to find the lies about no boyfriends and so on. Some members may think it's ok to mess around with a Thai lady with a Thai boyfriend but I don't like drama so I always test them like this.[/QUOTE]You did not point out the "rudeness" of the service to us. Did you do the swearing or the service staff? Just got a bit confused by that bit. Would be nice if they explained it was a rule that a girl cannot come without the 2 drinks from the start, to avoid confusion.
I think Doll House also had this silly rule recently about different BF amount for ST or LT for some girls. The downside of this is, if you take ST, the girl is expected back at the bar within some time limit that is going to be at most 2 hours, perhaps less, or otherwise there will be a penalty. The time limit may not apply if it falls outside closing time. Sometimes the girl may not care. This is probably a thing with girls designated as "Coyotes".
I never had the two drink problem at Billboard, because I was always willing to wait till girl got off the rotating stage. However I can see that to get a soap suds girl you probably have to buy the two drinks, since they seem to take a very long time to rotate off the soapy bath area.
I can identify with trickiness of meeting up with girls. They can be very unreliable. I had this girl, originally from Twisters, later seen again in recent Pat Pong bar, but seemingly working bar only occasionally when fits her schedule. She said around Songkran 10 or 11 April, she would like to come to me privately. Yet she always took a very long time to read any of my messages. Hello why is that? LOL. So I had to ask permission to ring her and chat since you can't have a message conversation with someone who delays so much. So day before Songkran she messages me to say she is available. I answered her message within 10 minutes, after getting out of the shower, but by this time she had said, too late, she has now invited her mother over. Ha Ha. Do I believe that? Not much. Next day I ask is she really serious about meeting. By this time she is not reading any of my messages at all any more. I have probably been either blocked or hidden. You do get these girls playing games juggling men, probably one is supposed to be a BF I guess. We all don't have time for girls to be seriously messing around with saying meet but actually not available.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2030819]Nice. What exactly did you say in Thai? As I want to try this as well. But I'm thinking maybe I'll post in English and Thai. Mostly to see if there is falang sponsor or 4. I rather P4 P for no more than 3-4 days if they have sponsors that they are milking. They'll just disappear as soon as their sponsor is in town and leave me hanging if there is any emotions involved, or see if I will financially compete with the sponsor (LOL, no thanks).
Although, I am curious. What actual difficulties does a Thai "boyfriend" pose? Is there a concern for violence here? Or are you just concerned that she'll disappear and only to reappear when she and her BF need more money?
[/QUOTE]I know the correct Thai but decided against this. I don't like to cause trouble for Thai girls that are not doing m any harm. Yes there is a risk a Thai girl can get beaten up by a Thai "boyfriend". Beating up the Mrs is well accepted in Thai society. Girls don't always even have free will to leave some guy if he won't allow it. My GF had to do a runner when her boyfriend was not home, taking what important possessions she could, and make sure he could never find where she had gone. She was beaten up when he was drunk and in a bad mood. She did fear for her safety. This was before I met her. Thai police do not protect girlfriends.
You are far better off if a girl has one or more Farang BFs. When girls come to realise, that I am not jealous, not controlling, accepting that there maybe other men, and that I bring no hassles or problems, only fun, they start to see my advantages for casual meets instead of young selfish possessive and controlling males. The girl can tell me only as much as she pleases but eventually realises there is no need to tell me lies. We can have fun together as friends but include good sex together, because I am hassle free with no controlling behaviours, and no jealousy.
What's good for the Gander is good for the Goose. I play around. I expect horny types of girls also do so. If a girl is relatively unhorny type, she ceases to become really useful to me sexually. Okay My GF does not have high and frequent sexual needs, so does not play up. Means she also does not provide sufficiently sexually. I would love to have sex with her nearly every day, but it is not going to happen.
Recall the story about a Suzie Wong girl that could not come to work, because she had black eyes from being beaten by her Thai boy drug addict when she did not supply him enough money. Why did she acquire this Thai boy? She had a really good Farang sponser before that that, who she eventually lost due to the Thai boy no doubt, once he found out. I think her name was something like Nun / Noon. May have this wrong now. However her name has appeared on this forum 2 or 3 years back. A pushy girl with ugly body including half coconut implants up top on a non curvy thick body, not my type at all.
Cultural differences: [URL]http://thearticulateceo.typepad.com/my-blog/2011/08/cultural-differences-monochronic-versus-polychronic.html[/URL].
"Though they can be easily distracted they also tend to manage interruptions well with a willingness to change plans often and easily. People are their main concern (particularly those closely related to them or their function) and they have a tendency to build lifetime relationships. Issues such as promptness are firmly based on the relationship rather than the task and objectives are more like desirable outcomes than must do's. ".
Thai people do not see time in the same way that falangs do. They respect people over time, if that makes any sense. And since there are multiple people in their life, this means that people on lower priority get ditched in favor of those with higher priority. But also because they want to avoid loss of face (for both parties), p4p girls will never outright deny a request to meet. And they will go and do what they want, on the basis of priority for that day (no plans, or better things to do occur naturally).
In general, expect nothing when making plans (actually, better to make plans with multiple for this cultural reason), and tend to avoid those who don't show up promptly (it indicates that they have better things to do now and in the future).
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2030958]Cultural differences: [URL]http://thearticulateceo.typepad.com/my-blog/2011/08/cultural-differences-monochronic-versus-polychronic.html[/URL].
"Though they can be easily distracted they also tend to manage interruptions well with a willingness to change plans often and easily. People are their main concern (particularly those closely related to them or their function) and they have a tendency to build lifetime relationships. Issues such for that day (no plans, or better things to do occur naturally).
as promptness are firmly based on the relationship rather than the task and objectives are more like desirable outcomes than must do's. ".
Thai people do not see time in the same way that falangs do. They respect people over time, if that makes any sense. And since there are multiple people in their life, this means that people on lower priority get ditched in favor of those with higher priority. But also because they want to avoid loss of face (for both parties), p4p girls will never outright deny a request to meet. And they will go and do what they want, on the basis of priority
In general, expect nothing when making plans (actually, better to make plans with multiple for this cultural reason), and tend to avoid those who don't show up promptly (it indicates that they have better things to do now and in the future).[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Love it man! Exactly. Always have a backup plan when your main girl is not 100% reliable. When the girl says we will meet tomorrow, the chances are actually very low. If she says we will sleep together tonight, the chances improved a lot but still not certain. She asks me later did I book the liaison Hotel for more than one night, LOL? Of course not. There was not that level of certainty she would not change her mind.
I try to behave in such a way as to make girls think I am hassle free, and don't have to be lied to, due to no jealousies. I can then move up their priority list, because I don't make big problems. They can blow off the young selfish, possessive controlling types that bring problems. Right now am happy to be either the special girl's no. 2 man or close it, without the responsibility to be her official BF (who doesn't know everything that is going on). Can be good for the girl to pick up an older understanding man, that can still get her off okay.
If the girl is not available, she can say so, no loss of face with me. I don't mind. It's a lot better than being stuffed around. The problem is recent girls don't understand. Longer term girls may get it.
Some Thai girls never answer a question with a Yes.
A Thai Yes means "maybe". A Thai "Maybe" means "No". A Thai "tomorrow" means "probably not tomorrow but maybe someday". A Thai "Today for sure" means reasonable chance will happen. A Thai "I am leaving now" means "I will think about leaving sometime soon" , "I am in the taxi" means "I am still waiting to get a taxi, I will call for a taxi soon".
The best way for a Thai girl to answer very probing unwanted questions, is just to be indignantly silent. This avoids being caught out telling blatant lies. We are better off if we did not ask those questions. I try to let girls tell me only as much as they want to tell me.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2030958]Cultural differences: [URL]http://thearticulateceo.typepad.com/my-blog/2011/08/cultural-differences-monochronic-versus-polychronic.html[/URL]
Thai people do not see time in the same way that falangs do. They respect people over time, if that makes any sense. And since there are multiple people in their life, this means that people on lower priority get ditched in favor of those with higher priority. But also because they want to avoid loss of face (for both parties), p4p girls will never outright deny a request to meet. And they will go and do what they want, on the basis of priority for that day (no plans, or better things to do occur naturally).
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A Thai Yes means "maybe". A Thai "Maybe" means "No". A Thai "tomorrow" means "probably not tomorrow but maybe someday". A Thai "Today for sure" means reasonable chance will happen. A Thai "I am leaving now" means "I will think about leaving sometime soon" , "I am in the taxi" means "I am still waiting to get a taxi, I will call for a taxi soon".
The best way for a Thai girl to answer very probing unwanted questions, is just to be indignantly silent. This avoids being caught out telling blatant lies. We are better off if we did not ask those questions. I try to let girls tell me only as much as they want to tell me.[/QUOTE]This sort of behavior can stay with Thai women even when they move to USA and become USA citizens. I dated one such widow for 3 years, with her living with me for the final 10 months. Then she started becoming unreliable, just like described above. After one weekend when she missed all planned activities I told her not to come to my house that evening and stay at her daughter's house. The next day I changed my house locks and hauled all her things to the front door for her pickup.
Her priorities were (1) whatever she felt like doing even if it wasn't what she previously agreed to do. (2) activities with her adult USA citizen children, (3) activities with her Thai girlfriends who are living in USA, and (4) pre planned activities with me, the man who owns the house she has been living in for free. I tossed her out of my house 1. 5 years ago. Last month I got a call from her girlfriend asking for a place to stay at my house since her husband kicked her to the curb.
This unreliable nature of Thai women is causing me problems again. I'm working on thaifriendly and line to select a girl to accompany me on my next trip to Koh Samui. It's easy to find girls to agree, but how many yes answers do I need to get one that will actually get on that airplane with me? 2? 4? 6?
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2030641]One should never argue with a Thai person, because loss of face. The problem can be rectified passively by allowing them to save face. Don't accuse them of being liars or having a bad memory (stupid). Instead, better to always agree on a price ahead of time. Always. If they can't hold to that price, which I think is pretty rare, then I have no idea what to do. Judgement call at that point.
And yes, I negotiate with people in third world countries all the time. It's not my fault that their country is poor. That's not on me. I pay the market rate, not 2 x the market rate. I'll pay 1. 2 x or 1. 4 x for the falang tax, but I prefer to pay the normal rate. I think people who have free and unrestrained sympathy for random poor people are just weak. They'll think you are weak too and gladly take your money and have no respect for you either.[/QUOTE]Problem is not $3, I know it's peanuts, however the problem is ethics, tell me if the uber / regular cabbie in New York or LA. Or for that matter any developed country would do this, once you reach your destination ask for fare higher than the meter or the app, and ask you to pay more cause you are a foreigner or cause there was way too much traffic on the road. Transparency is always appreciated, I did not even take a motorcycle taxi even once during this trip, stick to regular taxis and asked for the Meter, on one occasion I took a cab outside terminal 21, I saw the driver shut off the meter at a switch located near his left leg, and told me no meter you pay 100 baht for Soi 26 (holiday inn, which is right in the beginning of the Aoi), asked him to stop the cab, got out at the Asoke Intersection and caught the next one. Again it was not the 50 baht that I probably saved but ethically the cabbie was wrong.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2031061]This sort of behavior can stay with Thai women even when they move to USA and become USA citizens.[/QUOTE]I will put my response in Thailand Lounge and Chat Area thread.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2030805]There is a book called PRIVATE DANCER by Stephen Leather that is a great read and I recommend it to everyone. I think you can download the pdf online if you don't want to buy the book. That book is great for newbies to let them know the facts about the Thai bar girls. Very accurate and funny as well.
I get lots of Thai girls Line contacts. However, I simply use it to contact them via text messages. I would only consider commenting on their timeline if I knew them quite well already and was actually considering a serious relationship with them (there has been one Thai bar girl in 20 years I would put in that category). Although definitely possible, I doubt a Thai boyfriend would be a problem because, as you mentioned, most of them (almost all of them) know about their jobs and don't care. Most (almost all) of the Thai boyfriends love that she is making money from as many customers as possible. The money she makes from you goes to the boyfriend so he can buy drugs, booze, new tires for his motorbike, etc. However, I realize these girls have multiple customers and I don't want the other customers getting upset when they see another guy is commenting on her Line account. That could end up costing her money in the long run. A lot of these girls have guys sending them money every month thinking the girl has stopped work and is waiting patiently for their return. As unethical as that may be on her part, it is normal with these Thai bargirls and who am I to interfere with her income? Posting it in Thai doesn't hide it's meaning from non Thai speakers these days due to apps like google translate.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Smoothy;2030805]There is a book called PRIVATE DANCER by Stephen Leather that is a great read and I recommend it to everyone. I think you can download the pdf online if you don't want to buy the book. That book is great for newbies to let them know the facts about the Thai bar girls. Very accurate and funny as well.
I get lots of Thai girls Line contacts. However, I simply use it to contact them via text messages. I would only consider commenting on their timeline if I knew them quite well already and was actually considering a serious relationship with them (there has been one Thai bar girl in 20 years I would put in that category). Although definitely possible, I doubt a Thai boyfriend would be a problem because, as you mentioned, most of them (almost all of them) know about their jobs and don't care. Most (almost all) of the Thai boyfriends love that she is making money from as many customers as possible. The money she makes from you goes to the boyfriend so he can buy drugs, booze, new tires for his motorbike, etc. However, I realize these girls have multiple customers and I don't want the other customers getting upset when they see another guy is commenting on her Line account. That could end up costing her money in the long run. A lot of these girls have guys sending them money every month thinking the girl has stopped work and is waiting patiently for their return. As unethical as that may be on her part, it is normal with these Thai bargirls and who am I to interfere with her income? Posting it in Thai doesn't hide it's meaning from non Thai speakers these days due to apps like google translate.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you said except the Private Dancer comment. As a quick, easy, and mildly entertaining weekend read its good but using it as an anthropological reference isn't recommended and I actually discourage people who are getting into the scene not to read it. The only thing that it actually gets moderately right is the description of the western sexpat.
As to your second point, I think that posting comments of the nature that BKKDOG detailed is of the mentality that gives farang sexpats a bad name in Thailand.
As guests, there should be a certain level of respect shown toward these ladies. They are professionals, its there job to 'stroke' the male ego. There is an entire industry that brings them up and trains and conditions them to discover what a man wants and to give it to him and in doing so they can make a living. As in any profession, you have workers of different skill-sets and motivations. Some are honest and go to work each day just wanting to make a living and maximizing their earning potential, while others are more lazy and don't put much effort and just get by on looks or understand that the customer base is mostly one-offs.
Part of the job is acting. Its presenting a guy with their dream woman scenario. Some of the more experienced ladies who take pride in their work will be able to feel out what you want very quickly and adjust to accommodate your desires. The less experienced ones may take a session or two. Others won't care and just do what they do but most will present a persona that often times is not a accurate representation of their personal lives. Most of these ladies are also not proud of what they do and they sure as hell don't like it when their business life spills over into their personal life. Having some foreigner post on their Line timeline and then booting him off is an example of this. Nothing screams Thai sex worker like some farang (unless they are young and handsome) making flirty comments on your social media wall, especially when the comments are in the google interpretation of Thai.
Where foreigners get into trouble, mostly of their own doing, is when they stop seeing them as professionals or they never see them as equals. Just because you pay them for a bit of sex and psychological counseling, doesn't mean you own them outside of the agreed to time that you paid them for. You're a customer, they are sales people + service provider and some of the more business minded ladies do what sales people do, they will make you feel special so you come back for more. So if you are able to get a Line contact or phone number from a lady you paid to have sex with, it shouldn't be considered as an invite for a potential no-strings attached relationship. Consider it to be a VIP pass for her services. To avoid confusion, one should look at the situation and take account of what's really going on. Are there any red flags like I am 50 and she 22 or I have never been called handsum in my life but here is this lady telling me how handsum and sexy I am while I ram my cock up her ass and then CIM. Perspectives.
And since we are on the subject of perspectives, the whole violent abusive Thai guy thing is a bit overplayed. When you consider the amount of disrespect westerners, especially tourists and sexpats show toward Thai women and subsequently Thai men, we should be seeing a lot more violent crimes in the news but we don't. As far as abusive, again, I think that people who mostly operate within certain levels of society will see and hear things that are indicative of the socio-economics of those people. The less educated or closed minded types will then apply what they see to the populace as a whole. So if I meet up with 10 MP girls and 5 of them say that they often are abused by their farang customers, I could say that all farang men are abusive but I know better given that I myself am a farang and where I come from the only men who are known for being stereotypical abusive are guys who where tank tops, drink a 24 pack of Budweiser in an afternoon while watching NASCAR.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030203]I am going to admit the behavior of some members of staff is bad and who knows when you select a newbie girl there.
Last night two Indian gentlemen were arguing outside the front door with door staff. I don't believe they came in. Perhaps were being asked to pay something up front (or being denied entry). So there is discrimination. Exactly how the discrimination works or reasons are not clear. Obviously Indians in general are not viewed as desirable. I just walked straight through the front door unchallenged. They would recognise my face and know I have taken a girl plenty of times.[/QUOTE]As an Indian I have had to pay a "entry fine" of 500 baht to enter CH. I think the problem is that Indians are perceived as "cheapskates" who don't spend, just come there to ogle at the girls, create a fuss if challenged and the like. Due to the fact that Thailand is one of the countries that provide visa on arrival for Indians, it attracts a lot of tourism from the lower strata of society with behavior to match. At least I want to think that way but I have seen supposedly educated Indians behaving obnoxiously in German FKK's with the girls so I'm wondering if there's more to it than that.
[QUOTE=Citizen;2030816]Yes there is discrimination at Ch. I am of Indian origin, living in New York, I was stopped outside Ch and asked for an ID, I was with a girl in spite of that, I asked him why to which he said India, I showed him my New York drivers license and told him to take a flying fuck, I walked away and told him I will not enter a disrespectful bar like yours, don't know if that really mattered to him, however I can ensure he lost out on a lot of business that day and still is doing so. So probably that is what the Indians were arguing about.[/QUOTE]So possibly being from USA, you would possibly be accepted as a likely useful customer.
Not sure what you want respect for. However your decision. I don't go to a monger venue looking for respect. As long as not continuously hassled. I don't need a Wai from the staff. I don't need anyone to suck up to me. In fact I dislike it. I have been refused entry to some Japanese oriented establishments. However if I was begrudgingly allowed in, I would not be concerned if they have no respect for me. After all I am just a hopeless guy lusting for naked girls. Probably the Japanese manager at Can Cam does not like me because I speak to the girls in Thai that he can't understand, however should I care what he thinks of me? No way. I don't give a flying fuck.
If I liked Baccara, or was interested, I would put up with their door policy bullshit of buying drinks before entering, however since I don't like the girls or the crowded set up, I don't bother.
I just wonder if those demanding high respect are a little pompous. There is no perfection in monger venues. There are nice people and assholes all mixed in together. I don't care if some staff hate me, as long as my target girls remain fun, or I can find new target girls, I am happy.
If I go in the Thermae, am I shown respect? Not at all. Some guy at the door will be pushing me toward making a drink order, before I even had a chance to see if there is any point to stay for a while. I have to say I am just checking if a friend is there, type bullshit. I will buty a drink if line up looks to have possibilities, but even then may strike out. However whether I go and whether I stay long purely depends if I can find a girl giving a good vibe with the right look. Others don't want to talk to me at all. Too bad. Get used to it.
In my home country, doormen would select the customers to be allowed into a disco. I found that I could get in easily if accompanied by a hot girl. By myself, not likely, "we're full right now".
If idiot people treat you badly, you lose if you let it affect you, and I do lose at times when my mood is spoiled. However my objective is to become serenely oblivious to the idiots, take no notice of them, and win because they fail to have an effect or influence on my mood or enjoyment of the day. This is the Buddhist way, even I am not a true proper Buddhist. Some of the teachings though have a lot of merit.
Stay happy. Don't get stressed out by bullshit happening everywhere.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2030774]After that, I went into Suzy Wongs. Only about 15 ladies there. Some were dancing topless and some were dancing in bikinis but their panties had holes so you could see their pussies. Sat and drank with an old favorite for about 30 minutes. Spinner with blond hair. I think Syggs knows who I'm talking about.
[/QUOTE]I have not been in Suzi that frequently for many months now. I don't know if any of my former favorite girls are still there. Probably not. I can't actually think who might be blonde right now. Can't say I noticed an obvious blonde, or have I forgotten?
Long gone girls: Paula, Phiao, Jar, Ma, bisexual Bo, NooDee.
Suspected gone girls: Knot, Dtom, Noi, Naam, Anne, Pat, Yao, etc. A couple of other important names escaping me.
A large portion of my girls did lesbian shows at some time, exceptions might be Noo Dee, Ma, Noi, and Jar. Almost never had a had a bad fuck from Suzi Wong. However my favourites would have been the better GFE ones. I do forget the bad ones, but was quite rare. Ma with big tits a bit saggy was the very best fuck of them all, most likely but some others had great enthusiasm.
Sheba was actually my favourite bar till it closed and amalgamated with Suzi. Crazy fun in there. Does Suzi W still have naked shows including the lesbian show?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2030743]The price of rides on motorcycle taxis is something I have never understood. Many times they try to charge as much or more than a taxi. Considering one of those motorbikes costs about 5 percent of what a car costs, their price should be drastically lower than a taxi.[/QUOTE]I think it's all about speed. Motorcycle taxis split lanes, weave around traffic jams, will even hop into sidewalks and go the opposite direction on stalled roads. They charge more because it might only take them 5 minutes to get you to a destinatiion it would take an auto taxi, tuk-tuk or bus 1 hour to take you. I often take them for that reason.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030968]
Some Thai girls never answer a question with a Yes.
A Thai Yes means "maybe". A Thai "Maybe" means "No".[/QUOTE]And NOBODY knows what a Thai girl means by NO as they never use the word!
Hotman.
[QUOTE=Hotman666;2031172]And NOBODY knows what a Thai girl means by NO as they never use the word!
Hotman.[/QUOTE]A Thai girl has so many ways to say NO, whether in English or Thai. "Mai chai", "mai ao", "mai wang", "mai chorp", No thanks, Not today, etc.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031124]So possibly being from USA, you would possibly be accepted as a likely useful customer.
Not sure what you want respect for. However your decision. I don't go to a monger venue looking for respect. As long as not continuously hassled. I don't need a Wai from the staff. I don't need anyone to suck up to me. In fact I dislike it. I have been refused entry to some Japanese oriented establishments. However if I was begrudgingly allowed in, I would not be concerned if they have no respect for me. After all I am just a hopeless guy lusting for naked girls. Probably the Japanese manager at Can Cam does not like me because I speak to the girls in Thai that he can't understand, however should I care what he thinks of me? No way. I don't give a flying fuck.
If I liked Baccara, or was interested, I would put up with their door policy bullshit of buying drinks before entering, however since I don't like the girls or the crowded set up, I don't bother.
I just wonder if those demanding high respect are a little pompous. There is no perfection in monger venues. There are nice people and assholes all mixed in together. I don't care if some staff hate me, as long as my target girls remain fun, or I can find new target girls, I am happy.
If I go in the Thermae, am I shown respect? Not at all. Some guy at the door will be pushing me toward making a drink order, before I even had a chance to see if there is any point to stay for a while. I have to say I am just checking if a friend is there, type bullshit. I will buty a drink if line up looks to have possibilities, but even then may strike out. However whether I go and whether I stay long purely depends if I can find a girl giving a good vibe with the right look. Others don't want to talk to me at all. Too bad. Get used to it..[/QUOTE]Yo bro these type of things don't really bother me. As I mentioned before I am of Indian origin and definitely look Indian, half my life I have lived in India only, latter half has been in the US but the very thing of discrimination is pissing off, but like I said earlier it's their loss. Had I been inside would have had a couple of drinks, probably bar fined a woman, all of that would have added to their revenue but they chose to be idiotic, anyway I do take these type of things positively, I moved on to thermae after that, met a glorious looking babe. It was 1. 30 am already has these idiots not pissed me off, I would have not reached thermae and had the amazing night I did have, so in a way thanks to those idiots at CH. Also on that night I did happen to go to thermae at 8.30 pm at that point it was packed with Japanese and Koreans, and there were more than 100 girls over there, I did manage to get at least 10 smiles out of the lovely gals over there at that point in time I thought it was too early for taking someone back home, however at 1.30 am I was happy to be back there and met this lovely smiling chick whom I did hook up with and had a great night. So in the long run, whatever happened was for the better.
Also about this chic from thermae, the good thing about her was she was not a regular bar girl / massage girl and her assets were quite intact, her pussy was tighter, her boob's were not hanging, her nipples were normal, she worked in a salon during the day and came here couple of time a week for the extra money, this experience seemed better on the whole, there was no pushing me for drinks, the only drink I bought was for 105 be, she already had her beer In Her hand, the place was not dim so I could see her clearly, there were more than 100 girls to choose from at any point in time, there were no ladyboys mixed as they are not allowed, most the girls were young and slim, somehow I would feel this is a better option. Will try it more next time.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2030743]The price of rides on motorcycle taxis is something I have never understood. Many times they try to charge as much or more than a taxi. Considering one of those motorbikes costs about 5 percent of what a car costs, their price should be drastically lower than a taxi.[/QUOTE]At many motorbike stations, they have a board that lists the prices to specific locations, in Thai of course. If a short distance it will be cheaper than a taxi which costs at least 40 Baht. Motorbikes have the inconvenience that they are not officially allowed to collect a passenger from any location, instead they should be returning to the official station with no passenger. This is a stupid rule in a way in that it adds unnecessary overhead, since essentially we pay the price to be taken somewhere and for the motorcycle to return to the starting position. Also it causes many drivers to be waiting in a queue for a passenger at some locations, where other locations have a shortage at some times of the day.
I note that for longer distances, Thais can bargain a cheaper price. So it might be Farang surcharge or heavy weight surcharge. Even if I don't get a cheaper price, the time saving is worth it for me. So motorcycle return from Petchburi / Ekkamai intersection to Soi Cowboy cost me 120 baht which seems a bit excessive. I was expecting more like 90 Baht since wasn't a really difficult trip using back Sois, but he probably applied Farang surcharge and since it was from a Soapy to Cowboy, that probably influenced the price. Taxi would have taken longer perhaps 25 to 30 minutes to go 5 km through moderately heavy traffic, and perhaps might have cost only 70 to 80 Baht. Motorcycle probably took little more than 10 minutes.
The official price in 2015, for up to 2 km was 25 Baht, 5 baht for each additional km up to 5 km and then 10 Baht for each additional km up to 15 km. So 5 km trip should have cost me only 50 Baht, I guess, maybe 60 Baht if just over 5 km. Some guys might have charged somewhere around this region, and the Thais can probably get around this price. At 120 Baht I was clearly ripped off. I should have negotiated the price before we departed, since it is not a set destination with a set price shown on a board. Taxi would cost 60 baht for same trip, possibly 80 in traffic.
So the bottom line is yes, Motorcycles should be cheaper than a taxi and quicker. The only reason it is not cheaper is when we get ripped off. They have no meter, so for any non standard trip, negotiate a price if you are concerned.
The other night from Soi 13 to Soi 23 was less than 1 km so should have cost 25 Baht tops, allowing for inconvenience to cross Soi Asoke. He asked for 80 Baht and I just refused to give him more than 50. Nana Plaza to Cowboy is about 1. 3 km. Cost should be about 30 Baht, yet they are asking for 60 Baht. This is clearly a rip off. If pick up the motorcycle from some other nearby location the price will probably be cheaper or can be negotiated cheaper.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031129]I have not been in Suzi that frequently for many months now. I don't know if any of my former favorite girls are still there. Probably not. I can't actually think who might be blonde right now. Can't say I noticed an obvious blonde, or have I forgotten?
Long gone girls: Paula, Phiao, Jar, Ma, bisexual Bo, NooDee.
Suspected gone girls: Knot, Dtom, Noi, Naam, Anne, Pat, Yao, etc. A couple of other important names escaping me.
A large portion of my girls did lesbian shows at some time, exceptions might be Noo Dee, Ma, Noi, and Jar. Almost never had a had a bad fuck from Suzi Wong. However my favourites would have been the better GFE ones. I do forget the bad ones, but was quite rare. Ma with big tits a bit saggy was the very best fuck of them all, most likely but some others had great enthusiasm.
Sheba was actually my favourite bar till it closed and amalgamated with Suzi. Crazy fun in there. Does Suzi W still have naked shows including the lesbian show?[/QUOTE]I suspect it was Yao. She comes and goes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031129]Does Suzi W still have naked shows including the lesbian show?[/QUOTE]I'll probably drop by tonight, so if I hang around long enough I may figure out.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031231]At many motorbike stations, they have a board that lists the prices to specific locations, in Thai of course. If a short distance it will be cheaper than a taxi which costs at least 40 Baht. Motorbikes have the inconvenience that they are not officially allowed to collect a passenger from any location, instead they should be returning to the official station with no passenger. This is a stupid rule in a way in that it adds unnecessary overhead, since essentially we pay the price to be taken somewhere and for the motorcycle to return to the starting position. Also it causes many drivers to be waiting in a queue for a passenger at some locations, where other locations have a shortage at some times of the day.
I note that for longer distances, Thais can bargain a cheaper price. So it might be Farang surcharge or heavy weight surcharge. Even if I don't get a cheaper price, the time saving is worth it for me. So motorcycle return from Petchburi / Ekkamai intersection to Soi Cowboy cost me 120 baht which seems a bit excessive. I was expecting more like 90 Baht since wasn't a really difficult trip using back Sois, but he probably applied Farang surcharge and since it was from a Soapy to Cowboy, that probably influenced the price. Taxi would have taken longer perhaps 25 to 30 minutes to go 5 km through moderately heavy traffic, and perhaps might have cost only 70 to 80 Baht. Motorcycle probably took little more than 10 minutes.
The official price in 2015, for up to 2 km was 25 Baht, 5 baht for each additional km up to 5 km and then 10 Baht for each additional km up to 15 km. So 5 km trip should have cost me only 50 Baht, I guess, maybe 60 Baht if just over 5 km. Some guys might have charged somewhere around this region, and the Thais can probably get around this price. At 120 Baht I was clearly ripped off. I should have negotiated the price before we departed, since it is not a set destination with a set price shown on a board. Taxi would cost 60 baht for same trip, possibly 80 in traffic.
So the bottom line is yes, Motorcycles should be cheaper than a taxi and quicker. The only reason it is not cheaper is when we get ripped off. They have no meter, so for any non standard trip, negotiate a price if you are concerned.
The other night from Soi 13 to Soi 23 was less than 1 km so should have cost 25 Baht tops, allowing for inconvenience to cross Soi Asoke. He asked for 80 Baht and I just refused to give him more than 50. Nana Plaza to Cowboy is about 1. 3 km. Cost should be about 30 Baht, yet they are asking for 60 Baht. This is clearly a rip off. If pick up the motorcycle from some other nearby location the price will probably be cheaper or can be negotiated cheaper.[/QUOTE]In Indonesia, they have an Uber type of service for motorcycle taxis called "Go-Jek". The price of that motorcycle service is much cheaper than what the motorcycle taxis have charged over the years. Does Thailand have that? If so, I would think the prices have dropped dramatically like they did in Indonesia.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031129]Does Suzi W still have naked shows including the lesbian show?[/QUOTE]The Lesbian shows happen around midnight and a little after.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2031242]I suspect it was Yao. She comes and goes.[/QUOTE]Yao was a skinny girl with baby stretch marks, and now with implants. Can't really picture her being blonde.
Tonight tried to get a motorcycle from Sukhumvit to Ratchada Soi 7. Distance is 4. 3 km. Rider wanted 120 Baht. I offered 80. He was not interested. I took the MRT. Much cheaper.
Called into The Lord. They were pretty busy. 40 girls on show perhaps, maybe a bit less. I am told they have 100 girls each night so others had to be busy. Price categories for Farang are R 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K , L, XL and XX, Did not see any above a K, so they were either upstairs or busy. 90 minutes session. Never found any girl quite as stunning as K35 I spotted first visit a few weeks ago.
After looking quite some time, picked an M level girl, Maybe was M36? Name was Jaeng from Chiang Rai. Very white skin (not the reason), all natural looking (a reason) and cute nose. 25 YO no babies. I believe The Lord does not accept any girls with babies or tram tracks on belly etc. Tats are accepted but my girl had none and no piercings. Face was an 8, not quite stunning, figure a 7 (slightly disappointing when clothes were off), Tits Acup naturals firm. Ass so so.
Supposedly the service was guaranteed to be super here. She was playful in the bath and liked to make naughty jokes. BBBJ in the bath scores a 6.
There was virtually no kissing beyond a peck so she cannot qualify for GFE at all. She seemed extremely sensitive and either orgasmed from DATY in fairly short time or faked it. She did not tolerate doggy very well, but O.K. in other positions with legs a little on the stiff side. Her BBBJ was only a 6 at best, Her handjob somewhat better but I did not go there to get wanked.
Girl said she gets 3000 baht from non farang customers' fees, so house must be taking at least 2300 per booking. That is very steep overhead.
Overall assessment of her:
Skills average, level of fun average, GFE missing, body average, face well above average. My top 3 pretty girls ever from Crazy House were prettier, more GFE and more fun on the bed and cheaper. My recent Evita girl was very comparable in many things, slightly behind for face looks, but better ass, and better BBBJ and good GFE/DFK, at a fraction of the price. The Evita girl was less fun in the bath not having been taught well enough most likely.
I think one would have to spend significant time in The Lord to meet the real super stunners. They must be mostly busy and not in the line up. Without getting the super stunners, I fail to see how the other girls are really worth the price. Probably many guys will have a regular girl that looks good, is a lot of fun, fucks really great and stays all night for quite a bit less money. I am probably done with The Lord. There is just no value. O.K. for the very rich guys they take a membership and wait around to find the super stunners.
I went to The Lord expecting extra super service. I did not get that. It was O.K. but all too ordinary. To pay big money you need something out of this world, right. BTW 50% of The Lord girls have implants and a very high percentage have nose jobs. Some guys will like this. It is not a plus for me. I would automatically avoid sillies, and only take an extra subtle nose job.
If I am going to repeat the best girls I find, I know I can get one vastly cheaper such as my Evita 2K girl, and so do her a lot more often for the same money, plus get 2 hours, and get a good GFE. Its a no brainer. Collect maybe some more girls like her or even prettier but still at a good price. For guys that don't like repeating, its a roll of the dice if they get a girl that is any good. So I imagine most will want extra cheap, if going to roll the dice on the performance level.
Next assignment will be to try some cheaper Smooci girls I guess, to see if can get an exceptional girl from that source. Obviously it could be hit and miss so will have to try more than once. Also should try Tulip and SW again and see if any of the girls are palatable. I know the odd girl at Mango is O.K. for me.
My summary of The Lord girls, is the line up may have the odd stunner, plenty of non stunners, but overall is underwhelming for a guy like me allergic to surgeries. Sure they look significantly better than a Bacarra line up to me, on average but that still isn't the answer. I don't see myself paying high prices for fake stuff. There are still some average bodies there covered up. I mean average compared to best nude girl figures in the gogos. The Lord have got this game sewn up and can get away with the very high prices because the elite customers will pay them and having a large set of girls puts them well in front of other up market joints.
I was told that my white skinned girl hardly ever gets a Farang customer, because Farangs like dark skin Issan girls with big eyes and big noses. LOL Yet I picked her due to lack of surgeries and a cute little nose.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2029682]Has anybody happen to buy this oral contraceptive table named "AnNa" (see attached pics). Apparently I got to grab two of them and considering Thailand's infamous fake drug supplies, need a trustworthy place to get them.
A shop / chain near the central area would be best. I hope some of you will be able to point me out.[/QUOTE]Any pharmacy will do. I really doubt it that a pharmacy will sell you fake contraceptives: there will be no market for such.
It is very tough to negotiate a price with a motorcycle driver. There is no way he is going to give the same price to a Farang that he might give to a Thai. Does not help that I am larger than Thais and weigh 90 Kg. You can negotiate better with a taxi driver, since he is aware you can just pass and try the next taxi. With motorcycles it is not like that. They work as a gang. Some other driver in the group is not going to give you a better price. I think as Farangs we have to be prepared to be ripped off a little by motorcycle riders to go significant distances. It's just a question of how much you are willing to be ripped off. I must admit to accepting the 60 Baht from Nana to Cowboy even though it is only just over 1 km and should be 25 Baht, perhaps 40 Baht max.
Last night I wanted to go 4. 3 km. A slightly difficult trip to Ratchada with traffic. He wanted 120 Baht. Official price for Thais should be 50 Baht based on distance. I knew damn well a taxi would cost a lot less than 90 but be very slow. I was willing to go to perhaps 90 baht. I wanted to get there quicker than taxi. He was not intending to make a better offer. Had to change plan and take the MRT (underground). Much more comfortable and a nice safe quick trip with short walk from Cultural Centre stop at the end. Fortunately MRT was not too packed. Probably cost me 25 Baht on MRT or close to that. Just 3 stops away.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031326]Yao was a skinny girl with baby stretch marks, and now with implants. Can't really picture her being blonde.[/QUOTE]When I asked her name, that's what is sounded like. Your description does not match hers so I guess it's not the same girl. She has a real spinner body, be cups and a nice pussy.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2031279]The Lesbian shows happen around midnight and a little after.[/QUOTE]Dropped by last night. Same same. There's nudity as well as these bodypaint shows and the waitress told me there would also be lesbian shows later.
In any case, I didn't hang around for more than one beer. There was zero girls that attracted me in the lineup, they were either too old or too unattractive.
Went to Soi Cowboy last night, and since I had vowed not to go to CH, I firstly headed to Suzie Wong. No a single girl attracted me in there so I only had one beer then left. Next I wanted to go by Shark, but judging from the girls out front, it did not seem to provide any promises of improvement over Suzie Wong, so I skipped Shark and went for Tilac. Sat and had a beer in there while checking the lineup. Only about half of the girls were wearing the signature skirt without panties. The rest had some black hotpants instead. With a very few exceptions, all the girls in skirts were quite too old for my taste. There were a few of the girls in hotpants who looked kind of OK, but nothing that had any interrest to me.
I didn't feel like going to Nana, so basically had to forget my vow and go back to Crazy House. The difference in lineup quality is really remarkable, CH have multiple good looking girls. It was still somewhat early (around 10 pm) so plenty of girls to see and the place wasn't as packed as it gets later on. Many Japanese customers in there yesterday. I rejected quite a few girls but finally offered a drink to no 93 (said her name is Yam or something). Somewhat tall, blonde die, skinny build and from Cambodia, but more white skinned than cambodian usually are (as I remember). Anyhow, pleasant to talk to, OK english and a sense of humor. Nice company, but not really my preferred body type and don't really like braces either, so did not try to close the deal or offer BF. I think she felt that I wasnt going to do that, so after a few dances she didn't come back. I suppose she was able to close a deal somewhere quickly, she is quite hot. I had my eyes on no 11, but not able to get in contact with her. Think I was not the only only one who fancied her.
Generally speaking, I didn't have the same bad vibes as my last visit to CH, on the contrary, I had quite a good evening in there.
In the end, I finally BFed a nice girl whose name and number elude me (quite a few Jacks down at that point) - could have been 83 but not sure. Anyhow brought her back to my hotel for ST (2500 bht). She was nice and not shy, but service was not great. No BJ, didn't like DATY, didn't fancy doggy too much. All in all a very mediocre service.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031328]Tonight tried to get a motorcycle from Sukhumvit to Ratchada Soi 7. Distance is 4. 3 km. Rider wanted 120 Baht. I offered 80. He was not interested. I took the MRT. Much cheaper.
Called into The Lord. They were pretty busy. 40 girls on show perhaps, maybe a bit less. I am told they have 100 girls each night so others had to be busy. Price categories for Farang are R 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K , L, XL and XX, Did not see any above a K, so they were either upstairs or busy. 90 minutes session. Never found any girl quite as stunning as K35 I spotted first visit a few weeks ago.
After looking quite some time, picked an M level girl, Maybe was M36? Name was Jaeng from Chiang Rai. Very white skin (not the reason), all natural looking (a reason) and cute nose. 25 YO no babies. I believe The Lord does not accept any girls with babies or tram tracks on belly etc. Tats are accepted but my girl had none and no piercings. Face was an 8, not quite stunning, figure a 7 (slightly disappointing when clothes were off), Tits Acup naturals firm. Ass so so.
Supposedly the service was guaranteed to be super here. She was playful in the bath and liked to make naughty jokes. BBBJ in the bath scores a 6.
There was virtually no kissing beyond a peck so she cannot qualify for GFE at all. She seemed extremely sensitive and either orgasmed from DATY in fairly short time or faked it. She did not tolerate doggy very well, but O.K. in other positions with legs a little on the stiff side. Her BBBJ was only a 6 at best, Her handjob somewhat better but I did not go there to get wanked.
Girl said she gets 3000 baht from non farang customers' fees, so house must be taking at least 2300 per booking. That is very steep overhead.
Overall assessment of her:
Skills average, level of fun average, GFE missing, body average, face well above average. My top 3 pretty girls ever from Crazy House were prettier, more GFE and more fun on the bed and cheaper. My recent Evita girl was very comparable in many things, slightly behind for face looks, but better ass, and better BBBJ and good GFE/DFK, at a fraction of the price. The Evita girl was less fun in the bath not having been taught well enough most likely.
I think one would have to spend significant time in The Lord to meet the real super stunners. They must be mostly busy and not in the line up. Without getting the super stunners, I fail to see how the other girls are really worth the price. Probably many guys will have a regular girl that looks good, is a lot of fun, fucks really great and stays all night for quite a bit less money. I am probably done with The Lord. There is just no value. O.K. for the very rich guys they take a membership and wait around to find the super stunners.
I went to The Lord expecting extra super service. I did not get that. It was O.K. but all too ordinary. To pay big money you need something out of this world, right. BTW 50% of The Lord girls have implants and a very high percentage have nose jobs. Some guys will like this. It is not a plus for me. I would automatically avoid sillies, and only take an extra subtle nose job.
If I am going to repeat the best girls I find, I know I can get one vastly cheaper such as my Evita 2K girl, and so do her a lot more often for the same money, plus get 2 hours, and get a good GFE. Its a no brainer. Collect maybe some more girls like her or even prettier but still at a good price. For guys that don't like repeating, its a roll of the dice if they get a girl that is any good. So I imagine most will want extra cheap, if going to roll the dice on the performance level.
Next assignment will be to try some cheaper Smooci girls I guess, to see if can get an exceptional girl from that source. Obviously it could be hit and miss so will have to try more than once. Also should try Tulip and SW again and see if any of the girls are palatable. I know the odd girl at Mango is O.K. for me.
My summary of The Lord girls, is the line up may have the odd stunner, plenty of non stunners, but overall is underwhelming for a guy like me allergic to surgeries. Sure they look significantly better than a Bacarra line up to me, on average but that still isn't the answer. I don't see myself paying high prices for fake stuff. There are still some average bodies there covered up. I mean average compared to best nude girl figures in the gogos. The Lord have got this game sewn up and can get away with the very high prices because the elite customers will pay them and having a large set of girls puts them well in front of other up market joints.
I was told that my white skinned girl hardly ever gets a Farang customer, because Farangs like dark skin Issan girls with big eyes and big noses. LOL Yet I picked her due to lack of surgeries and a cute little nose.[/QUOTE]I must sayn your report made me smile: you did'nt take the motorbike because of 40 Baht but gave 5800 Baht for a mean girl. Each his thing, right?
I find the lesbian show at Suzi Wong's to be boring. The one at the bar at the very end of the street across from baccara used to be awesome back around 2007. The girls they had in that show were stunning. I think that bar was called My Place or something like that back then. The one at Sheebas around that time was also quite good. The best ever was at Hollywood (now billboard) in Nana back around 2000. Hollywood used to rock back then.
I went to Billboard in Nana, the 2 drink rule was present with regards to ladies on the stage. I got 2 drinks for the best looking one there, to get her off the stage. Nice body, face and young, tall, busty, nice bubble ass and looked 19-20. But was really flaky, as is often the case with young girls. She indicated interest in in barfine. But a few problems. 1, not enough chemistry developing, her back was turned to me most of the time and she seemed distracted a lot. 2, she was more interested in talking to her friend, who seems to follow her around everywhere like it's some kind of nightclub and it's their special ladies night out. 3, when she was present and alone, she was looking around the place a lot so this is an obvious signal for lack of interest. 4, went to the "toilet" 2 times. I inquired how much and it was 700 baht BF and 3000ST. I just smiled, indicating "good luck with that" and she quickly left. She then proceeds to go to a table almost right next to mine, and probably does the same stupid stuff and as she didn't last long there either.
So I am looking for better talent now. I see a girl with a rather hot body. Actually it wasn't, but the way she carried herself made her look hot. Very slutty / sensual dancing, confident, and muscular / tone and isaan short / tan (which I do like, it's *one* of my types, not my favorite but it has its place). I was almost fairly certain she was on yabba, which well. Has it's pro's and con's. Feeling the need for a freak, to make up for the gogo queen, I got her a lady drink. I indicated I would only pay for 1 and that's what went through. She was very slutty with regards to dancing, just fun all-around. And yeah, 2 classic signs of yabba use: sweating and fingernail polish breath (she made out with me a lot). Also, the very confident and hyper / crazy shennegans were another clue to how high she was. I saw the mamasan looking at her, concerned about her erratic / raunchy behavior. BF'ed her ST and she was even more strung out and distracted in the room. But was okay, just paying for sex nothing else. And there are benefits to them being high (certainly not a starfish, just easily distracted and changing positions a lot). Offered 2500ST, but negotiated down to 2000ST. Also, back in the room, I was concerned she was going to go crazy and start biting (ie: like bite my lip off) if she got triggered somehow. And she did bite/punch quite a bit, my taste buds still hurt from when she bit my tongue.
Finally, the first girl walked by while the raunchy replacement was putting in quite a bit of effort (as she did the entire time). Not sure what her expression was as I didn't want to look at her (awkward) but I noticed a sour-face. Good luck with that. I mean, she's the one who walked off and was really flaky the whole time. I guess being that hot and young is enough service / value for some, so in-part, I don't blame her. But when you send obvious signals of being a potential starfish it scares customers away from BF. And also, I got away from Pattaya to avoid the 3000ST that is so common there. So, seeing 3000ST slap me in the face first thing in Bangkok was a turnoff so I just simply could not BF her nor did I even want to bother negotiating down.
Because I have plans to be in BKK within a couple of weeks, I would like to ask loals if the beergarden on Soi 7 (one of my favorite in afternoon) will finally close or not. Any news? Thanks!!
[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2031848]Because I have plans to be in BKK within a couple of weeks, I would like to ask loals if the beergarden on Soi 7 (one of my favorite in afternoon) will finally close or not. Any news? Thanks!![/QUOTE]Well it depends.
Do you mean the beer garden at the end of Sukhumvit 7/1 Alley, around the corner of cheap charlies?
If so, then yes, last weekend was "finale".
Hi,
I visited Bangkok last week and didn't have the best experience.
I'm in my early 30's, Malay (darker skin) and consider myself pretty good looking. Anyway went to Thermae Bar (first time) and got turned down twice. Felt like crap! (never happened in my life? As I understand the girls here can be picky and prefer the Korean / Japanese types? So I maybe won't go back there. Eventually headed over to Climax where I met this girl at the bar, works at a hair salon, only comes in rarely. Etc etc. Anyway took her back to my hotel and had a great time.
Since then I have been communicating to her via line and told her I am back in BKK next wk. She seems keen to meet and I wouldn't mind having a guide / sex buddy. Her English is pretty good.
My question is.
1. How much should I be paying her per day? I paid 5 k for ST last time (I think I got ripped.) seems like I could have got a better girl from a soapy place for around 3 k. Yes / no? I didn't bargain (and rarely do, is that a must in BKK?
2. If I do decide to try and find another girl (for a few days) is it better to approach soapy girls and get a day rate happening rather than freelance girls at Thermae / Insanity / Climax etc?
3. What are the Soapy prices so cheap (3 k) compared to Freelance girls (5 k for ST) - assuming the boss gets a cut from the soapy that means the girl makes like 1.5 k per customer?
Any advice on how to hook up with a attractive girl for a few days would be appreciated. Everyone talks about Nataree for freelance girls, but now that is closed where have all the freelance ladies gone??
Thanks,
Cptjack.
[QUOTE=Arneis78;2031877]Well it depends.
Do you mean the beer garden at the end of Sukhumvit 7/1 Alley, around the corner of cheap charlies?
If so, then yes, last weekend was "finale".[/QUOTE]I am suspecting your memory is playing some tricks here.
Cheap Charlies is off Soi 11 acording to Google Maps and is marked closed. I don't know it. Not relevant.
The well known Beer Garden is in Soi 7 not 7/1 and was open when I visited it recently. I did not enquire about a future closure.
Parkville,
I am agreeing with your assessment that the Billboard girls were not really worthwhile.
Interesting tip re Ya Ba breath. I have taken Ice users before and not noticed anything with breath since they were smokers as well. Breathe like nail polish in the old days indicated a glue sniffer. Haven't found such a girl recently. Still its vaguely possible.
I have only barfined once from Billboard and I got an exceptionally attentive and lovey dovey girl who did not even specify a ST price. She was great and a repeat. I just got lucky. She since acquired a sponser and does not work there anymore. So I lost contact. She did not really fit in to Billboard well. Not at all raunchy but exceptionally lovely. Great GFE.
Subsequent visits could not find any pretty girl remotely similar that gave the right vibe.
Hunting for the right chemistry is not always easy.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2031644]I find the lesbian show at Suzi Wong's to be boring. The one at the bar at the very end of the street across from baccara used to be awesome back around 2007. The girls they had in that show were stunning. I think that bar was called My Place or something like that back then. The one at Sheebas around that time was also quite good. The best ever was at Hollywood (now billboard) in Nana back around 2000. Hollywood used to rock back then.[/QUOTE]Very end has been Old Dutch forever. Joy Ngwen maybe. It has been replaced by Cockatoos opposite Bacarra. Shebas was my favourite bar till it closed. Suzi W staff doing show may have declined. I have not seen their lesbian show for maybe a year. At one time they had Bo a real bisexual and Dtom very expert. Suzi was similar to Sheba especially just after the amalgamation.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2031803]I went to Billboard in Nana, the 2 drink rule was present with regards to ladies on the stage. I got 2 drinks for the best looking one there, to get her off the stage. Nice body, face and young, tall, busty, nice bubble ass and looked 19-20. But was really flaky, as is often the case with young girls. She indicated interest in in barfine. But a few problems. 1, not enough chemistry developing, her back was turned to me most of the time and she seemed distracted a lot. 2, she was more interested in talking to her friend, who seems to follow her around everywhere like it's some kind of nightclub and it's their special ladies night out. 3, when she was present and alone, she was looking around the place a lot so this is an obvious signal for lack of interest. 4, went to the "toilet" 2 times. I inquired how much and it was 700 baht BF and 3000ST. I just smiled, indicating "good luck with that" and she quickly left. She then proceeds to go to a table almost right next to mine, and probably does the same stupid stuff and as she didn't last long there either.
[/QUOTE]I think Billboard is a horrible place, been there twice and both times got mega harassed by agressive mamasans repeatedly for taking ladys, lady drinks and more drinks during the 15 minutes it took me to have a beer. Then out of there in a hurry. Can hardly see anything in there either, they keep it so dark.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2032044]I think Billboard is a horrible place, been there twice and both times got mega harassed by agressive mamasans repeatedly for taking ladys, lady drinks and more drinks during the 15 minutes it took me to have a beer. Then out of there in a hurry. Can hardly see anything in there either, they keep it so dark.[/QUOTE]I agree its too f'ing dark in there. They don't want you to realise that a lot of girls are not that pretty. I don't like the gloom so it's far from my favourite place. Twisters is a well lit bar. Higher quality girls for looks IMHO. However, I would still rate Billboard as one of the better bars in Nana, probably because there are a fairly good number of slim girls with no surgeries.
I don't see this place as "mega hassle" at all. The fat mamasan is really bad news, but I stay well away from her. Learn to ignore people that don't interest you perhaps. I fail to make eye contact with lots of uninteresting people, nor talk to them. It works moderately well. I certainly recall attempts to interest me in some girl, all thoroughly ignored. Guys are not going to call down too many girls with the 2 drinks policy. Customers in a group jumping around partying were more of a bother to me.
Most severe harassment I ever experienced at Nana would be RB3 a few years back, so never returned, and more recently Mandarin (downstairs). Don't recall any others. So maybe I have a thick skin and tolerate more than many, together with refining my ignoring tactics. Have not visited RB1 in a long time. Is there a RB2?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031973]Very end has been Old Dutch forever. Joy Ngwen maybe. It has been replaced by Cockatoos opposite Bacarra. Shebas was my favourite bar till it closed. Suzi W staff doing show may have declined. I have not seen their lesbian show for maybe a year. At one time they had Bo a real bisexual and Dtom very expert. Suzi was similar to Sheba especially just after the amalgamation.[/QUOTE]The very end is some restaurant. I'm talking about the first gogo right next to that restaurant across the street from Bacarra. It was something like My Place at the time. They changed the name to Rio I believe for a while and now it's something else. It's right before that lady boy bar. That gogo was awesome in the mid 2000's, now it's garbage with mostly coyote dancers.
[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2031632][QUOTE=Syzygies;2031328]
...I think one would have to spend significant time in The Lord to meet the real super stunners. They must be mostly busy and not in the line up. Without getting the super stunners, I fail to see how the other girls are really worth the price.
...I went to The Lord expecting extra super service. I did not get that. It was O.K. but all too ordinary...[/QUOTE]
I must say your report made me smile: you did'nt take the motorbike because of 40 Baht but gave 5800 Baht for a mean girl. Each his thing, right?[/QUOTE]Yeah, that was funny alright. I also went to the Lord this afternoon, for my 2nd visit ever I think. Some respected ISG members seem to like that place, and I like eye candy. I remember being underwhelmed on my first visit, so I was not sure what to expect. I walked in there around 4 pm and there were about a dozen girls on stage. It took me close to 10 min to get rid of the staff helper. After that, it took me only a few minutes to pick my girl. I ended up picking a 6,400 baht girl.
She was tall, definitely eye candy, with a pair of enhanced Ds, slim body with nice curves. Once in the room and naked, I liked her even more. She was not receptive to chatting initially, so I shut up and let her do her job. She knew what she was doing and I was pleased, even though it appeared like for her, it was another day at the office with another customer. She covered all the bases, nice BBBJ with DT, Russian, DATY. She did not appear receptive to kissing and I did not attempt any. However, towards the end of the session, she had a change of heart, and initiated DFK. There was plenty of DFK after that.
I must say that I lucked out this time around, as I was very pleased with the girl and the session overall.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2032060] more recently Mandarin (downstairs). [/QUOTE]I am guessing by downstairs, you mean once inside Mandarin, the first level rather than the 2nd inside that particular bar. The only Mandarin bar I know is where you take the escalator up one floor then walk straight ahead. There are 2 floors inside mandarin (after walking up the stairs), but I don't think I've seen the top floor open in a while.
I can't say they have hassled me there at any time, but Mandarin has some good girls. I love Gek at Mandarin. One of the hottest girls in Nana if you ask me. I believe she's been at Mandarin about 2 years now but I think she's only 20.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2032044]I think Billboard is a horrible place, been there twice and both times got mega harassed by agressive mamasans repeatedly for taking ladys, lady drinks and more drinks during the 15 minutes it took me to have a beer. Then out of there in a hurry. Can hardly see anything in there either, they keep it so dark.[/QUOTE]It is pretty dark, but I think you can see what you need to see there. In my opinion, it's far from a horrible place and one of the best places in Nana. But I haven't had them use that "2 drinks" line on me there yet. That could possibly be because they know me there and they know darn well I buy a lot of drinks anyway. Or maybe I have just been lucky. Or maybe I have just been too drunk to realize it. Haha.
Although not my favoritie Nana Go Go, Billboard is a pretty good bar, if you ask me, with potential for finding decent takeout from its rather large selection of stage dancers and younger bath tub girls. The two drink thing is triggered only when a customer chooses not to wait for the dance set to end and wants a girl to immediatley step off the stage to sit with him. I can see where the unwary might fall for this little bar trick and this is part of what the ISG is all about I. E. to warn members against falling for this maneuver. That said, it really is not such a big deal. If you fall for the trick you will pay for 2 lady drinks not 1, but you get the girl without a wait, and next time you will know better. I have wasted equivalent funds on stupider stuff countless times in my life. In scope of things it is not a big deal.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2032125]Although not my favortie Nana Go Go, Billboard is a pretty good bar if you ask me with potential for finding decent takeout from its rather large selection of stage dancers and younger bath tub girls. The two drink thing is triggered only when a customer chooses not to wait for the dance set to end and wants a girl to immediatley step off the stage to sit with him. I can see where the unwary might fall for this little bar trick and this is part of what the ISG is all about I. E. to warn members against falling for this maneuver. That said, it really is not such a big deal. If you fall for the trick you will pay for 2 lady drinks not 1, but you get the girl without a wait, and next time will know better.[/QUOTE]Good info. I never knew that. I have never pulled a girl off the stage though, I always grab them after they are done dancing. That explains why I never encountered the 2 drink thing.
For 2 lady drinks does the girl sit with you for the appropriate time she should for a customer buying her 2 drinks or does she gulp both of them down and leave in only 15-20 minutes, the usual time for 1 drink?
[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2031084]I agree with everything you said except the Private Dancer comment. As a quick, easy, and mildly entertaining weekend read its good but using it as an anthropological reference isn't recommended and I actually discourage people who are getting into the scene not to read it. The only thing that it actually gets moderately right is the description of the western sexpat..[/QUOTE]This is the most sincere, respectful and courageous post I have ever read on ISG. I could not have agreed with you more. My hat's off to you. Thank you! Best regards,
[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2031632]I must sayn your report made me smile: you did'nt take the motorbike because of 40 Baht but gave 5800 Baht for a mean girl. Each his thing, right?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's called "Penny Wise Pound Foolish". Two totally independent decisions. I had a good cheap alternative to the Motorcycle. At The Lord, most visits I just baulked at the price, and bailed out. In hindsight, should have done that again. The service just wasn't the fabulous service promised. I don't aim to make the same mistake too many times.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2032162]For 2 lady drinks does the girl sit with you for the appropriate time she should for a customer buying her 2 drinks or does she gulp both of them down and leave in only 15-20 minutes, the usual time for 1 drink?[/QUOTE]No regular rule, it depends in my humble opinion. If a girl stays long with you, it means she is hoping you will eventually barfine her. Usually, if the lady drink is a tequila shot, it is down in 3 minutes. That is why I prefer the soft drink. By the way, you do not have to order both, usually you can choose one or the other, or both. If you get involved in the "what is your price" kind of conversation and do no close the deal, she will leave sooner as there is no interest for her to stay with you other than entertain you. It already happened to me at CH that he girl asked for a drink while I was upstairs, sat 3 minutes and then went downstairs have a drink with another dude, then back to me etc. Not fair. And last but not least, there is the case when the girl likes you and lingers on and maybe offers you a cheaper deal that the usual. For instance only the barfine.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2032060]I agree its too f'ing dark in there. They don't want you to realise that a lot of girls are not that pretty. I don't like the gloom so it's far from my favourite place. Twisters is a well lit bar. Higher quality girls for looks IMHO. However, I would still rate Billboard as one of the better bars in Nana, probably because there are a fairly good number of slim girls with no surgeries.
I don't see this place as "mega hassle" at all. The fat mamasan is really bad news, but I stay well away from her. Learn to ignore people that don't interest you perhaps. I fail to make eye contact with lots of uninteresting people, nor talk to them. It works moderately well. I certainly recall attempts to interest me in some girl, all thoroughly ignored. Guys are not going to call down too many girls with the 2 drinks policy. Customers in a group jumping around partying were more of a bother to me.
Most severe harassment I ever experienced at Nana would be RB3 a few years back, so never returned, and more recently Mandarin (downstairs). Don't recall any others. So maybe I have a thick skin and tolerate more than many, together with refining my ignoring tactics. Have not visited RB1 in a long time. Is there a RB2?[/QUOTE]I should mention there are at least two fat mamasans in Billboard now. One is the generally grim faced one with shoulder length hair that I believe you are referring to here. The other one has very short hair and is kind of funny. She hit me up for a tip for collecting the 700 barfine two nights ago, I grabbed her hand and told her I loved her, she laughed and just dropped it, walked away no big deal. But the grim faced one might have turned it into a prolonged stand off.
There is an Rainbow go-go bar on the ground level back in the right hand corner tucked into that corner even more to the right of the ladyboy bar back there (Obsessions?). Could be RB2, but I have not gone back there deep enough in a long time to see the full name of it. I don't even know if it is also ladyboy bar.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2032411]I should mention there are at least two fat mamasans in Billboard now. One is the generally grim faced one with shoulder length hair that I believe you are referring to here. The other one has very short hair and is kind of funny. She hit me up for a tip for collecting the 700 barfine two nights ago, I grabbed her hand and told her I loved her, she laughed and just dropped it, walked away no big deal. But the grim faced one might have turned it into a prolonged stand off.
There is an Rainbow go-go bar on the ground level back in the right hand corner tucked into that corner even more to the right of the ladyboy bar back there (Obsessions?). Could be RB2, but I have not gone back there deep enough in a long time to see the full name of it. I don't even know if it is also ladyboy bar.[/QUOTE]Right the fat mamasan with shoulder length hair got fired from Crazy And also from Mercury. Stole my change once at CH near to closing time. She just disappeared.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2032425]Right the fat mamasan with shoulder length hair got fired from Crazy And also from Mercury. Stole my change once at CH near to closing time. She just disappeared.[/QUOTE]She did the same with me in Crazy House. I finally asked a server to find her because she didn't bring back my change (at least 2-3 hundred baht, forget now). When she and that server came back to me it was all a big show about how she had totally forgotten because it was so busy and she got distracted by something. LOL. I'm guessing she never got so busy and distracted that she handed a customer two 500 baht notes in change instead of two hundred baht notes.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2032434]She did the same with me in Crazy House. I finally asked a server to find her because she didn't bring back my change (at least 2-3 hundred baht, forget now). When she and that server came back to me it was all a big show about how she had totally forgotten because it was so busy and she got distracted by something. LOL. I'm guessing she never got so busy and distracted that she handed a customer two 500 baht notes in change instead of two hundred baht notes.[/QUOTE]I lost change from the barfine I guess 300. Was closing time so I guess she hid in the toilet most likely. Did not get money back. I ways told girl not to use her after that although she was fired very soon after.
Kudos to all ISG fellows.
I'm writing this report after my trip to Bangkok was just done.
First of all I'd like to thank you all for the priceless information you are providing here and special thanks to the senior members who don't save any effort to help the newbies.
As I quick intro I'm a member in ISG since few years and I have to admit that the forums here were and still my best companion in mongering in different spots on this planet however I feel a big shame that I was not contributing anything before but to come late is better than nothing so I'm trying to return the favor hoping to add any new information that might help.
To be clear I was not contributing because I use to experience the verified ladies from the reviews I read here so I just feel that I will not add anything new if I'm reviewing a famous Tulip or snow white lady for example but again it is time to write my experiences no matter what.
This is my second trip in Bangkok, first trip was in the same time in 2015 , on my first trip I had sessions with Bell and BB from cherry massage, Bell and Nan from Bangkokgoldescorts and Katherine from mythaitourguide.
I guess all are retired now except BB from cherry so no need to review any of them now however I have some information about Bell provided below.
So back to this trip, the ladies on my Radar is always who can provide a pure PSE experience so A+ , Rimming and other PSE services are not under discussion, for me if I have to choose between performance and shape definitely I will go for performance that's why I prefer the oilies and professional escorts path, yes I understand that going with agencies is more expensive but I'm only here for 1 week and I don't like to hit and miss, so agencies can provide both shape and performance if I manage to choose the right girl, I avoid free lancers totally due to the high risk of miss and I keep gogo bars only for fun and watching the action.
Rituals and preparations are done as a clever student would do it. RTFF Bangkok thread, All massage Threads, Bangkok escort agencies, and the new smooci for the last 2 whole years since the time I left LOS in my last visit. It took a month to finish but a tons of information to claim. Created a pool of notes and lady names and generate a short list to execute.
On my Radar was the following:
Coco from Bangkokgoldenescorts. DONE.
Opor from Tulip. DONE.
Will from Snowwhite (not available on the website).
Leena from Tulip (2 sessions) . DONE.
Golf from Tulip. DONE.
Was on My List some other ladies but didn't meet with them for different reasons:
Emmy from Snowhite: Mamasan told me that she is not available these days due to some medical problems (mostly accident or something).
Cash, Bonus, Ninja and sunny from Snowwhite didn't meet as I was satisfied already.
Dao from Tulip: she is on vacation and will be back this later this week or next week.
Jessy from BangkokGOLDENescorts: I managed to cancel the booking as I was drained and moreover I discovered there is no big difference in service between professional oily gals and professional so why do I go for the expensive option.
Bell from BangkokGOLDescorts: As I met Bell 2 years ago for a long session and she was outstanding in everything, I thought I have to meet her again this time so I booked her by email, Goldie replied by a confirmation, by total coincidence I met one of her closed friends who informed me that Bell quit the agency and quit work a few months ago, I was suspicious in the beginning until this person showed me a lot of her recent pictures on the phone (after she did some breast implants as she was a total flat chested lady), I immediately recognized her, this person managed to put me on a direct phone call with Bell herself, talked to her about 5 minutes and she confirmed that she quit work and told me that the agency is still using her name depending on the blurry faces in their website for unknown reasons, So guys if you need to book Bell from this agency she is definitely not the same Bell who used to work there before.
Vicky (Bootylicious) – Independent Escort: she was on my list from the last trip and this time I talked with her once to book for a long session, she replied me that she is busy on that day then I tried to call her during last week more than 15 times to book for another date but she is not answering calls or messages.
Reviews for Coco, Opor, Will, Leena and Golf are uploaded now on the specified threads.
Sorry for the long Intro.
Good luck to all.
[QUOTE=DoomDrum;2032475]So back to this trip, the ladies on my Radar is always who can provide a pure PSE experience so A+ , Rimming and other PSE services are not under discussion, for me if I have to choose between performance and shape definitely I will go for performance that's why I prefer the oilies and professional escorts path, yes I understand that going with agencies is more expensive but I'm only here for 1 week and I don't like to hit and miss, so agencies can provide both shape and performance if I manage to choose the right girl, I avoid free lancers totally due to the high risk of miss and I keep gogo bars only for fun and watching the action.[/QUOTE]Nice report, DD.
Re the FLs outside Nana Hotel, I keep a list of contact info so the next time in BKK if I don't see them on the street there is an alternate way to find them. Failing that if the one I choose is a miss re the "hit & miss" you refer to, it is easy to go from my room in the hotel to the parking lot & grab another one. Sometimes I've gone through 5 or 6 in a night, all being decent providers.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2032683]Nice report, DD.
Re the FLs outside Nana Hotel, I keep a list of contact info so the next time in BKK if I don't see them on the street there is an alternate way to find them. Failing that if the one I choose is a miss re the "hit & miss" you refer to, it is easy to go from my room in the hotel to the parking lot & grab another one. Sometimes I've gone through 5 or 6 in a night, all being decent providers.[/QUOTE]Taking so many girls in succession sounds like you were not quite "satisfied", LOL, or unsatisfiable? or trying to break the world record for most girls fucked in a night? In the old days I used to take two or 3 successive Soapy sessions in a day, that may been due to limited days available to try several exciting girls, however I did not need to fuck every girl in the place, only the very best looking few. LOL I guess it's a survey to find out the best girls for the future bookings.
As Doom says, the risk of a "miss" or at least very average experience, not quite "decent", is high. Yes we overcome that in time by collecting the good ones worth repeating. Still he wants a reliable PSE. So no way is he going to be persuaded that these street girls is the way to go. I have only repeated one of my recent street girls and none of my recent Thermae girls.
Only one of my recent Soapy girl tries was worth repeating too, so I could not suggest that path. PSE shops are definitely a lot more reliable.
I am back in the states after a wonderful vacation in that beautiful land of smiles. I spent one week in Pattaya, 3 days in Hua Hin, and 4 days in Bangkok.
Despite doing this trip 20+ times in the past, it was only on this trip that I fully noticed the difference between WGs in Bangkok and Pattaya. One WG (working girl) in Pattaya commented that Falangs were crazy to put their face in her crotch, supposedly for DATY. Then she added: "and they want to kiss me after that? Yuck!! ".
Indeed, I noticed that I could only get light French Kisses, after repeat in Pattaya and I hardly got any DFK (Deep French Kisses) all these years. This time in Bangkok, I met 2 lovely ladies on the first day, one was a FL and the second one was from Addict massage. I ended up repeating with them almost daily. Plenty of DFK, especially from the Addict chick. The FL was GND, but fun to be with. She spoke very good English, very entertaining, customer oriented, and fun to talk to. She also appeared to be street smart. Definitely a keeper if I lived there.
I am glad I did not listen to my buddy, who tried to convince me to skip Bangkok this time around. Also, this was the first time I did not pick up a chick from a gogo bar, despite being a sucker for eye candy, and I only visited Skyfall one night in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2032750]Taking so many girls in succession sounds like you were not quite "satisfied", LOL, or unsatisfiable? or trying to break the world record for most girls fucked in a night? In the old days I used to take two or 3 successive Soapy sessions in a day, that may been due to limited days available to try several exciting girls, however I did not need to fuck every girl in the place, only the very best looking few. LOL I guess it's a survey to find out the best girls for the future bookings.
As Doom says, the risk of a "miss" or at least very average experience, not quite "decent", is high. Yes we overcome that in time by collecting the good ones worth repeating. Still he wants a reliable PSE. So no way is he going to be persuaded that these street girls is the way to go. I have only repeated one of my recent street girls and none of my recent Thermae girls.
Only one of my recent Soapy girl tries was worth repeating too, so I could not suggest that path. PSE shops are definitely a lot more reliable.[/QUOTE]Points taken. Regarding PSE with street FL ladies one doesn't know, I'd suggest a quick chat could help find what one needs in that regard, such as anal & rimming. I'm not an anal guy, myself, but know some of the NEP area street struters have mentioned it. Rimming is something I love & have had little trouble finding a number of willing participants there. If a female there doesn't offer it herself, she may know a friend or acquaintance on the street who does.
As for taking 5 or 6 girls in one evening, I tend not to cum or want to cum before several hours of sex, if not the same for days. Girls, OTOH, often want to leave within an hour or even half of that. Moreover they may only be able to do a BB BJ for a few minutes, if that's what I'm into that particular day. In which case I might try to get them to do something else, like DFK or BLS for part of the time they're willing to stay with me. While they do that I'd usually be wanking myself, unless I let them do it. Sometimes they're quite insistent that they must do it! They'll keep grabbing my weiner & I'll try to get their hand off of it. Then a while after I get it back they'll go after it again. I guess they feel it's they're duty or I'm not happy or not getting my money's worth. Since we don't speak each other's lingo, it's impossible to know.
The P4P TGs want a guy to cum. Some of them won't leave your room until you do or kick them out. They seem to feel it's their job & obligation. An obligation to make the man happy by cumming. When I tell them I don't want to, I've often got a blank silent look. Not for long though, since I suppose that would be considered rude in LOS. Only after assuring them repeatedly that I'm unhappy if I cum & happy not to, do they finally believe it. I guess 3 times is the magic number. One gal said she'd never met any guy like that. Though I've read of them here on ISG on occasion.
Anyways, Syzygies, you are a prolific poster here, with over 10 K posts, full of great info. Do you work for ISG? Are you writing a book of your experiences? Do you have time for anything else that doesn't involve work, the hobby, rest and food? That sounds like a pretty good life to me. Keep it up!
I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.
Are they still doing this sh! T?
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2032856]I am back in the states after a wonderful vacation in that beautiful land of smiles. I spent one week in Pattaya, 3 days in Hua Hin, and 4 days in Bangkok.
Despite doing this trip 20+ times in the past, it was only on this trip that I fully noticed the difference between WGs in Bangkok and Pattaya. One WG (working girl) in Pattaya commented that Falangs were crazy to put their face in her crotch, supposedly for DATY. Then she added: "and they want to kiss me after that? Yuck!! ".
Indeed, I noticed that I could only get light French Kisses, after repeat in Pattaya and I hardly got any DFK (Deep French Kisses) all these years. This time in Bangkok, I met 2 lovely ladies on the first day, one was a FL and the second one was from Addict massage. I ended up repeating with them almost daily. Plenty of DFK, especially from the Addict chick. The FL was GND, but fun to be with. She spoke very good English, very entertaining, customer oriented, and fun to talk to. She also appeared to be street smart. Definitely a keeper if I lived there.
I am glad I did not listen to my buddy, who tried to convince me to skip Bangkok this time around. Also, this was the first time I did not pick up a chick from a gogo bar, despite being a sucker for eye candy, and I only visited Skyfall one night in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Given the environment, I can see why Pattaya 'WGs' would be less inclined to want DATY and DFK. It's also becoming less of a thing in BKK as well. I chalk this up the the typical Devil May Care attitude of farang sexpat. Thai mongers tend to be a lot more cautious mostly due to the fear of getting a 'WG' pregos and having to deal with the shame or having to support a second family. Farang tourists can do whatever for a couple of weeks and then just leave the country (what happens in Thailand.).
Thais are also not so much into a lot of the other activities that tend to spread diseases like anal, CIM, and DATY. I often get really odd looks when I go to places like Mango or Cherry and ask for A+ service.
[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2032903]I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.
Are they still doing this sh! T?[/QUOTE]Presumably there is more to this scam than you have indicated above, but why is their charging you for a sticker that you asked for to stick on somebody a scam?
[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2032903]I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.
Are they still doing this sh! T?[/QUOTE]Never heard of this one. It sounds like some temporary thing to raise money for a charity, but I may be well off the mark. Plenty of P4 P girls donate money to some charity from time to time, e. G. At Lua Lamphong temple, girls donate towards coffins for the pennyless departed. So stickers could have been raising money for something. Western society also has special days where some flower or similar emblem or badge is sold to raise money.
Would have been interesting to see the what the sticker looked like.
If I remember correctly, the stickers were less than 5 mm in diameter and in neon colors. Perhaps heart shape. The servers would come up to you with a several sheets worth. Ask a customer to stick it on anybody. Sometimes demonstrate it by sticking one on a dancers breast. Say its all in good fun. Only if you pressure them for more information they'll say that its only 100 baht PER sticker not sheet. PER sticker.
This is my restricted access report I made back in may 2, 2016 (for some reason it felt longer) in another forum.
"That day I wanted to revisit cowboy soi from several years back. Peeked into tilac, cowboy, and several others. Spent a couple of hours in crazy house that specialized in nude gogo dancing. They had about 25 girls dancing that night with a handful with some floral tissue as covering. They only had three that was attractive. One 7/10, two 8/10. One of the girls had a particularly beatiful face (9/10) but body was no didn't match 8/10. I bought her a few drinks. She squeezed in front of me and grinded her naked body into me. Guiding my hands all over body. If I wanted to finger her I probably could have if I gave her enough lady drinks. Her breasts were deflated though and her stomache felt a little loose. I asked if she had a baby and said one baby daughter. That became an instant turnoff even though she was very pretty. One of the things I noticed and very annoyed about this bar was the waitstaff. They were very pushy on tips. One of them was handing out little stickers and put it on the dancers or even them. I asked what they were for. They said it was only for fun and that everyone was doing it. And oh by the way. Each sticker is 100 baht tip added to your check. Wtf! I smiled and told her to leave. She persisted and I started to raise my voice to make a scene. She backed off but the head manager didn't like that and decided to try to blackball me from the go go dancers. I got annoyed and noticed the waitstaff taking advantage of drunk customers in particular the older Caucasian customers. I saw one customer adding an entire page of stickers on one repugnant looking waitress. I don't think he knew what the stickers signify since many of the Japanese customers obviously knew and were rarely playing with the stickers. I didn't play because I didn't like this deceptive tactic and I came for the go go dancers not for backwater rejects that look like they belong in some tribe broadcasted from National geographics. I left soon after disgusted at what I was seeing. I informed the main boss (big thai guy) and he looked genuinely concerned. ".
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2032945]Presumably there is more to this scam than you have indicated above, but why is their charging you for a sticker that you asked for to stick on somebody a scam?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2032860]As for taking 5 or 6 girls in one evening, I tend not to cum or want to cum before several hours of sex, if not the same for days. Girls, OTOH, often want to leave within an hour or even half of that. Moreover they may only be able to do a BB BJ for a few minutes, if that's what I'm into that particular day. In which case I might try to get them to do something else, like DFK or BLS for part of the time they're willing to stay with me. While they do that I'd usually be wanking myself, unless I let them do it. Sometimes they're quite insistent that they must do it! They'll keep grabbing my weiner & I'll try to get their hand off of it. Then a while after I get it back they'll go after it again. I guess they feel it's they're duty or I'm not happy or not getting my money's worth. Since we don't speak each other's lingo, it's impossible to know.
The P4P TGs want a guy to cum. Some of them won't leave your room until you do or kick them out. They seem to feel it's their job & obligation. An obligation to make the man happy by cumming. When I tell them I don't want to, I've often got a blank silent look. Not for long though, since I suppose that would be considered rude in LOS. Only after assuring them repeatedly that I'm unhappy if I cum & happy not to, do they finally believe it. I guess 3 times is the magic number. One gal said she'd never met any guy like that. Though I've read of them here on ISG on occasion.
Anyways, Syzygies, you are a prolific poster here, with over 10 K posts, full of great info. Do you work for ISG?[/QUOTE]You make some good points about FLs and also about failing to cum. I also fail to cum sometimes, but I don't keep trying with more sessions, unless the reason was the girl was crap. LOL I usually give it rest for a bit. LOL Probably like you, I don't see that sex is bad if I failed to cum, since the cum lasts such a short time anyway. My favourite FL off Soi 4 now accepts that I am going to need a 90 minute session and has become a GFE. She gets 3 pops some times, especially if she hasn't had a pop for a while, then first one comes very fast. Of course I am not going to get the same from an average FL on Soi 4. Most are hoping to do just 30 minutes.
No I don't work for the ISG, and have no affiliations other than with specific girls. I have spent probably 30% of the last 20 years in Thailand with 90% of my interactions being with Thais rather than Farangs. Some of my regular Thai persons do not speak English. So I have knowledge in unusual areas picked up from Thai girls in relation to language, culture, religion, plants and food (from knowing a chef long term). So my experiences maybe a bit different to the average monger. I used to travel widely in Thailand so have visited 70% of the provinces most likely, but not so much any more. You will notice periods when my posting drops right off, due to heavy work commitments, and likely not being in Thailand at the time. There is a large gap of several years before 2003 when I was not doing bars, due to GF commitments. Could be around 5 to 7 years gap. When I came back to the bars I had no clue how the prices had risen so much. I also returned to Cowboy because I heard that nude dancing had come back to bars probably around 2006 or earlier. Also Long Gun.
I should find a better replacement hobby. I would like to spend time to get my Thai proficient up to 8000 words, and be able to follow very fast stuff like the Thai News better. I would also like to add a few hundred Issan words at least for listening, even if cannot speak it well. My favourite Gik rang me today unexpectedly and suddenly wanted to speak Issan to me when her English is perfectly good, and she normally speaks either English or Thai to me. Was she trying to throw off the scent someone else in the background listening maybe? Or just in a very playful mood.
Was this #77, 'Fon'?
If yes, lucky to get her for 2,000.
So I am looking for better talent now. I see a girl with a rather hot body. Actually it wasn't, but the way she carried herself made her look hot. Very slutty / sensual dancing, confident, and muscular / tone and Isaan short / tan (which I do like, it's *one* of my types, not my favorite but it has its place). I was almost fairly certain she was on yabba, which well. Has it's pro's and con's. Feeling the need for a freak, to make up for the gogo queen, I got her a lady drink. I indicated I would only pay for 1 and that's what went through. She was very slutty with regards to dancing, just fun all-around. And yeah, 2 classic signs of yabba use: sweating and fingernail polish breath (she made out with me a lot). Also, the very confident and hyper / crazy shenanigans were another clue to how high she was. I saw the mamasan looking at her, concerned about her erratic / raunchy behavior. BF'ed her ST and she was even more strung out and distracted in the room. But was okay, just paying for sex nothing else. And there are benefits to them being high (certainly not a starfish, just easily distracted and changing positions a lot). Offered 2500ST, but negotiated down to 2000ST. Also, back in the room, I was concerned she was going to go crazy and start biting (IE: like bite my lip off) if she got triggered somehow. And she did bite / punch quite a bit, my taste buds still hurt from when she bit my tongue.
Hi,
Any genuine tantra massage places, read about outcall sites that offer no sex but complete pleasure.
Also any great 4 hand massage places.
Visiting BKK next week for 3 days.
Thanks.
Just wanted to add my recent observations to the ongoing conversations about Crazy House (CH) and WeChat (chat app). After an afternoon visit to Kasalong (the best deal in town, I think. Although things seem much worse in the looks department than last time I was in Bangkok and girls' skills. Have made 2 recent visits. Also not as good as I remember) I went to Soi Cowboy tonight. A few questions. Perhaps these have been answered before, but not sure how to effectively search for the answers:
1.) Why are CH and Suzie Wong the only bars in Soi Cowboy with any nudity? Do they have special connections / permissions?
2.) With fully nude girls and overall better looking an younger girls in CH than anywhere else in Soi Cowboy, business there is booming. Why aren't other bars emulating this model? I just don't get it. Seems so much obviously better and this is reflected in the booming business.
3.) Is everyone as bored by the shows at CH and Suzie Wong (SW) as I am? The "lesbian" show at SW was delivered with zero enthusiasm and was just sort of sad and awkward to watch. Likewise, all of the shows with pussy tricks that seem like they were thought up by 13 year-old boys are just kind of gross and annoying, if you ask me. If I wanted to see these kinds of shows, I'd go to Patpong. Are their actually people in Soi Cowboy who are into this or are the bars just going through the motions because they think it's what customers want (or they're trying to kill time and give the regular dancers a break?) Finally, the girls in the shows seem consistently less good looking than other girls.
4.) What the hell is a "standard" bar fine at CH these days? I've seen people say 2500, but also 3000. Tonight I was quoted 4000 (short time!) by a girl whose body type I is my favorite (pretty spinner, small tits) whom I proceeded to buy a lady drink for. She then took off to sit with another customer for the rest of the night. Annoying behavior. Maybe par for the course, I realize. But any tips on how to avoid this? I'm not too old or bad looking, by the way, so I'm pretty sure the problem isn't me. I'm also super polite, friendly, chill. Just don't get it.
5/) Any other recommendations for bars with nudity and better looking, younger girls? Is CH all there is these days? Suzie Wong was pretty disappointing as far as looks of the girls. Nana suggestions also welcome, but I've consistently found Nana to be sub-par and don't like places where LBs are mixed in. Just don't want to have to navigate that, nothing against LBs, just not my thing.
So, after a fairly lame experience at CH, I walked past massage row (nothing caught my eye there) and then back to my hotel. I decided to give WeChat a try. It's dominated by LBs but they mostly identify themselves clearly as such. Within a few minutes, I received a few greetings and responses to greetings I sent out. I asked "100% female?" right away and the girl I was chatting with confirmed. We then went to a video call. She looked pretty good. Within 10 minutes she was at my room. WeChat is indeed easy and fast and girls are clearly on for work and get straight to the point. That said, I don't think I'll repeat. She wasn't bad, and 1500ST seemed like a reasonable price, but her body was underwhelming and she was all business. The fact is, there's just know way to really gauge looks, let alone personality via WeChat or any app. I think I'll just hit a regular massage place if I can't find anything I like in the bars. The girl was nice, and OK looking, but when we actually got down to it there was a smell emanating from you-know-where (front, not back end) that was just awful. Really off-putting. Almost told her she should go to the doctor but didn't want to hurt her feelings. Kind of nasty though.
In conclusion: Answers to any of my questions would be much appreciated! WeChat is easy and quick, but looking at selfies, and even video chat, just don't give you a truly clear sense of a girl's body. I probably won't try it again. That's the whole reason I like nude place. More fun to be there, and more clarity about who I'm shooting for.
Thanks for everything ISG. If anyone can send me to the cheaper, hotter, naked girls dancing (what else are any of us looking for, in fact) please reply or PM.
[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2032913]Given the environment, I can see why Pattaya 'WGs' would be less inclined to want DATY and DFK. It's also becoming less of a thing in BKK as well. I chalk this up the the typical Devil May Care attitude of farang sexpat. Thai mongers tend to be a lot more cautious mostly due to the fear of getting a 'WG' pregos and having to deal with the shame or having to support a second family. Farang tourists can do whatever for a couple of weeks and then just leave the country (what happens in Thailand.).
Thais are also not so much into a lot of the other activities that tend to spread diseases like anal, CIM, and DATY. I often get really odd looks when I go to places like Mango or Cherry and ask for A+ service.[/QUOTE]I would chalk it up to the current punters not being as demanding and accepting whatever they get from the WGs. If customers would walk when poor service is provided then gals would start providing.
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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2033171]I would chalk it up to the current punters not being as demanding and accepting whatever they get from the WGs. If customers would walk when poor service is provided then gals would start providing.[/QUOTE]I always expect DFK and DATY. Doesn't matter if it's the lowest common denominator or the high class soapy where I'm paying a premium. Whether the girl delivers solidly informs my decision to repeat / return to that establishment. I have much more experience in german FKKs and Singapore than in Thailand, but my approach is the same.
[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2033195]I always expect DFK and DATY. Doesn't matter if it's the lowest common denominator or the high class soapy where I'm paying a premium. Whether the girl delivers solidly informs my decision to repeat / return to that establishment. I have much more experience in german FKKs and Singapore than in Thailand, but my approach is the same.[/QUOTE]I was very satisfied with the service I received in BKK this trip. Not one bad experience in 5 weeks and many memorable ones, but I would not compare Go Go girl sex, even the best, with the professional porn star sessions I received at the Lord. The girls look different too.
As to DFK; some Thai Go Go girls get into it and others don't. All my Lord girls, for example, gave great DFK. But on the whole, I experienced better and more consistent DFK from my Jakarta girls than my BKK girls this trip and on previous trips. Indo girls are great kissers.
As to DATY; most girls I know can really get into it and it is a great way to get great sex from a girl, but there are some girls that don't want it either because they are too shy or because they do not want to get turned on. The former reason is acceptable to me and I am tolerant of their shyness and take my time with them especially if I like them. My Mini, for example, always accepted DATY, but she was never into it much for the first couple of years that I knew her. One time I asked her why she did not like it and she said it was because it reminded her of a doctor's visit. It took me a couple of minutes to understand what the hell she was talking about, then I understood that she was referring to getting into gynecologist stirrups for an exam. Ha Ha. I was very patient with Mini and I am happy to report that it paid off. DATY is now one of the two ways she reaches her orgasm and she loves it. The other way is Cowgirl. As for the girls who refuse DATY because they do not want to be turned on and enjoy the session, what can I say? Bad girls! Luckily I have not had a bad one in a long, long time or maybe I have honed my selection skills to the point where I instinctively weed out the bad ones. I do not know.
As to barebacking; its a two way street. Both parties have to want it for it to happen. There are some BKK girls that always request a condom no matter how many times you shag them, some BKK girls that will bareback after the 2nd, 3rd, or nth time you see them, and some BKK girls that will bareback from the get go. I don't know a thing about German FKK's, but in Thailand the default is BBBJ's and covered sex. Its been this way since the mid 80's, so I always expect a BBBJ, but I never expect a bareback ride especially from a new girl and so I am ocassionally surprised when it is offered, but I never ask for it or negotiate for it. I think it would kill the vibe. Its kind of like a Forrest Gump "box of chocolates" thing to me (with new girls).
And lastly in regards to the two way street thing I mentioned above, there are some BKK girls that I would love to go down on and bareback when and if it is offered, then many, many other BKK girls that I would prefer not to go down on or bareback for one reason or another, and still others (the vast majority) that I don't want to have any kind of sex with even if they paid ME! 555, if you know what I mean. That's Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2032094]The very end is some restaurant. I'm talking about the first gogo right next to that restaurant across the street from Bacarra. It was something like My Place at the time. They changed the name to Rio I believe for a while and now it's something else. It's right before that lady boy bar. That gogo was awesome in the mid 2000's, now it's garbage with mostly coyote dancers.[/QUOTE]I see that Evianist wrote about going into (Club) Rio in Feb 2010 so Our Place has been gone at least 7 years. In Feb 2009 someone wrote a report about a girl Joy seemingly working at both Midnite and Our Place so presumeably Our Place and Midnite were closely affiliated, perhaps because the "Arab" was buying up these bars, perhaps not. I don't recall exactly when the Arab was buying. I do recall fucking a special dancer Anna upstairs at Midnite but forget what year. I suppose that should be before the Arab took over. Probably around 2007 or so.
There were never really a great deal of reports about "Our Place" that I can recall so not sure exactly when it's heyday was. By 2006 shortly after I had joined the forum, Long Gun, Raw Hide, Doll House, Suzi Wong, Sheba, Bacarra, Shark, Midnite, Deja Vu, Tilac, used to get a lot more publicity, even Toy Bar. I don't recall going into Our Place too many times, nor what year I would have tried it. I did like to have a look in most larger bars at some point.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2033204]I was very satisfied with the service I received in BKK this trip. Not one bad experience in 5 weeks and many memorable ones, but I would not compare Go Go girl sex, even the best, with the professional porn star sessions I received at the Lord. The girls look different too.
[/QUOTE]My favourite Crazy House girls are way better than the M class girl I got at The Lord, for enthusiasm, fun, GFE, etc. None of them porn stars though. The Lord Girl had a pretty face however, I have had better at Crazy for the face also, with past gone girls Nat, May Lee, and Donut. So I don't understand why you not compare best go go girls.
The one recent Soapy girl that I will repeat, was at Evita for 2K Baht, number M20 I think. Nearly as pretty as the M class Lord girl and body actually slightly better. Skin darker, but that does not bother me at all. She was a little boring in the bath, but I am sure I can train her up what to do in the bath.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2033204]
As to barebacking; its a two way street. Both parties have to want it for it to happen. There are some BKK girls that always request a condom no matter how many times you shag them, some BKK girls that will bareback after the 2nd, 3rd, or nth time you see them, and some BKK girls that will bareback from the get go. I don't know a thing about German FKK's, but in Thailand the default is BBBJ's and covered sex. Its been this way since the mid 80's, so I always expect a BBBJ, but I never expect a bareback ride especially from a new girl and so I am ocassionally surprised when it is offered, but I never ask for it or negotiate for it. I think it would kill the vibe. Its kind of like a Forrest Gump "box of chocolates" thing to me (with new girls).
[/QUOTE]Some girls are inconsistent too. It is very possible indeed that many girls are not taking birth control pills, so they need the condom to prevent getting pregnant, but at certain times of the month, they figure they won't get pregnant. When they have a condom accident, many are in situation where they have to take the morning after pills, and one girl told me there is a medicine that can be effective up to 72 hours afterwards, but I did not know about that or if is correct.
Pregnant bargirls are popping up all over the place, and of course I usually don't get to know if that was from their Thai boy, or occasionally accident with customer. I recall one lovely girl at Suzie Wong a few years back who had left the bar work but previously had a child from a customer, who did not want to take responsibility, naturally enough. The girl was really my type and a lovely fuck so I was disappointed to have only ever had the chance to take her once together with her friend Noi, when she was just visiting the bar (not even officially working).
In my experience, a very significant percentage of girls, when asked, stated that they did not take the pill for birth control. At least some were telling the truth. Puzzled me as to why, since it helps reduce the duration of periods as well as being safer.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2033258]I see that Evianist wrote about going into (Club) Rio in Feb 2010 so Our Place has been gone at least 7 years. In Feb 2009 someone wrote a report about a girl Joy seemingly working at both Midnite and Our Place so presumeably Our Place and Midnite were closely affiliated, perhaps because the "Arab" was buying up these bars, perhaps not. I don't recall exactly when the Arab was buying. I do recall fucking a special dancer Anna upstairs at Midnite but forget what year. I suppose that should be before the Arab took over. Probably around 2007 or so.
There were never really a great deal of reports about "Our Place" that I can recall so not sure exactly when it's heyday was. By 2006 shortly after I had joined the forum, Long Gun, Raw Hide, Doll House, Suzi Wong, Sheba, Bacarra, Shark, Midnite, Deja Vu, Tilac, used to get a lot more publicity, even Toy Bar. I don't recall going into Our Place too many times, nor what year I would have tried it. I did like to have a look in most larger bars at some point.[/QUOTE]Our place was rocking around 2008 I believe. The lesbian show there was off the hook. I remember one night I was there and some young farang was watching the lesbian show. One of the girls was eating the other girl out and had her ass way up in the air right in front of his face. He plowed his tongue into her ass and ate her ass and pussy for a good 2 minutes while she ate out the other girl on stage. Both girls were extremely hot. The look of enjoyment on that girl's face while the guy was eating her out was priceless. She was loving it.
Yes, it was owned by that Arab. I remember the girls weren't allowed to buy french fries from the restaurant next door because he had an argument with that restaurant over something.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2033311]Our place was rocking around 2008 I believe. The lesbian show there was off the hook. I remember one night I was there and some young farang was watching the lesbian show. One of the girls was eating the other girl out and had her ass way up in the air right in front of his face. He plowed his tongue into her ass and ate her ass and pussy for a good 2 minutes while she ate out the other girl on stage. Both girls were extremely hot. The look of enjoyment on that girl's face while the guy was eating her out was priceless. She was loving it.
Yes, it was owned by that Arab. I remember the girls weren't allowed to buy french fries from the restaurant next door because he had an argument with that restaurant over something.[/QUOTE]That Iranian "Arab".
So was he the owner when still called Our Place rather than Rio, and was sex available in his bars, officially. I recall that his bars set very high BF prices for Coyote girls and that there was no guarantee you would get sex from the girls. So I would be surprised if Our Place had such a lesbian show after he took the bar over.
Still remains a strong rumour through people that work in Cowboy, that his bars don't make money and are purely there for money laundering purposes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2033317]That Iranian "Arab".
So was he the owner when still called Our Place rather than Rio, and was sex available in his bars, officially. I recall that his bars set very high BF prices for Coyote girls and that there was no guarantee you would get sex from the girls. So I would be surprised if Our Place had such a lesbian show after he took the bar over.
Still remains a strong rumour through people that work in Cowboy, that his bars don't make money and are purely there for money laundering purposes.[/QUOTE]He was definitely the owner back then. None of the girls liked him. They did discontinue the lesbian show (and all the other shows) at one point. I am not sure if that is when he purchased it or if they just discontinued it. There were no coyote dancers at the time (at least none that I recall) and I am pretty sure you could have sex with any girl in the bar. I took many girls home from there until I found the best girl in the history of Soi Cowboy there and stuck with her exclusively from that point on. The shows were numerous, not just that lesbian show. They had a lot of good ones. The shows were better than at Suzi Wong and the place was much much nicer (I have always considered Suzi Wong to be a crap hole) and the girls were better looking, so I rarely set foot in Suzi Wong back then. I always felt sorry for the girl doing the candle wax show where she melted all that wax all over her body. That had to hurt. Sexy though. Sheeba had a decent lesbian show back then as well, but not as good. At the time, Our Place and Sheeba were the best 2 bars on Soi Cowboy in my opinion. Now they are both gone and replaced by garbage gogos that I never enter.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2033272]Some girls are inconsistent too. It is very possible indeed that many girls are not taking birth control pills, so they need the condom to prevent getting pregnant, .[/QUOTE]What you are overlooking is that the female can psych herself up so she does not have periods at all. In fact that is what many of the bar girls do, and that is why most of them have very light periods, there is no ovulation, it's all supressed, and that is why many do not see a big danger in BBFS.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;2033335]What you are overlooking is that the female can psych herself up so she does not have periods at all. In fact that is what many of the bar girls do, and that is why most of them have very light periods, there is no ovulation, it's all supressed, and that is why many do not see a big danger in BBFS.[/QUOTE]While women's periods can be reduced due to hormones (including taking birth control pill) and reducing nutrition (women on severe or crash diets have been known to stop ovulating and therefore no periods, I have never heard of any woman anywhere ever being able to control or reduce her periods or her fertility in any way due to mind control alone, what you call "psych herself up".
Many of the bar girls have light and short periods precisely because they are on a birth control pills. Some of them work through their periods or at least through parts of their periods by wearing a diaphragm. If properly worn and the male is not too vigorous, no one is the wiser and the blood is kept up in the cervix until she flushes it out later. It is one of the oldest hooker tricks in the book. As a diaphragm is also meant as a birth control method, the girls can wear one while providing BBFS too and so avoid pregnancy but the punter is none the wiser.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2033317]That Iranian "Arab".
So was he the owner when still called Our Place rather than Rio, and was sex available in his bars, officially. I recall that his bars set very high BF prices for Coyote girls and that there was no guarantee you would get sex from the girls. So I would be surprised if Our Place had such a lesbian show after he took the bar over.
Still remains a strong rumour through people that work in Cowboy, that his bars don't make money and are purely there for money laundering purposes.[/QUOTE]When he acquired his first bar, Midnight, it marked the beginning of the downfall of Cowboy. Higher drink prices, higher bar fines, and the beginning of the Coyote nightmare. His bars were never crowded, yet he bought more and more of them. One wonders what was really going on. LOL!
Midnight was great bar before the "Arab. " 500 Baht BF and that included use of one of the ST rooms upstairs. All drinks and lady drinks were 100 Baht and the gals were very happy with 1 K Baht ST. Gals were trained never to get upset if a guy came in and took a different lady every night. The numbers I racked up in there. The second floor had a bar and we used to have private parties up there. 5 or so of us would BF 10 or so gals, and they would not charge us for the use of the room; we'd just pay for drinks for ourselves and the gals. Wild it was. Those three ST rooms upstairs stayed very busy. Great times. Could not even imagine anything like that going on in Cowboy these days.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2033404]When he acquired his first bar, Midnight, it marked the beginning of the downfall of Cowboy. Higher drink prices, higher bar fines, and the beginning of the Coyote nightmare. His bars were never crowded, yet he bought more and more of them. One wonders what was really going on. LOL!
Midnight was great bar before the "Arab. " 500 Baht BF and that included use of one of the ST rooms upstairs. All drinks and lady drinks were 100 Baht and the gals were very happy with 1 K Baht ST. Gals were trained never to get upset if a guy came in and took a different lady every night. The numbers I racked up in there. The second floor had a bar and we used to have private parties up there. 5 or so of us would BF 10 or so gals, and they would not charge us for the use of the room; we'd just pay for drinks for ourselves and the gals. Wild it was. Those three ST rooms upstairs stayed very busy. Great times. Could not even imagine anything like that going on in Cowboy these days.[/QUOTE]I was not a regular there, because I had been out of the bar scene for a few years till returned to Cowboy 2005 or 2006.
I recall taking very slim Anna who performed special dance shows, upstairs and she fucked like there was no tomorrow. I wondered if she was on something. She completely forgot about the next show she supposed to do so they had come looking for her. LOL Many years later I found her working as a Coyote in Mercury with short blonde hair and teeth braces, still very skinny, and easily the best Coyote dancer. So fucked her again for old times sake. She was still pretty good but maybe not quite as wild.
Midnight is one of the very long running bars in Cowboy but has changed hands several times. In 1991 approx. When I first came to Thailand without a wife, I was shown the "Midnight Upstairs" bar on the first night by a buddy I met while studying Thai language, the bar run by two Aussies Dave and John. Some years later the Thai partner in the business swindled them out of it. I BFed a slim girl there for the night and paid her 500 baht for the night. She did not wake up when I took pictures of her lying naked even using a flash. LOL I think she was pretty good as far as I knew. It was a separate bar to the downstairs bar in those days. The downstairs was a more quiet bar for drinks with an open front door from memory.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;2033335]What you are overlooking is that the female can psych herself up so she does not have periods at all. In fact that is what many of the bar girls do, and that is why most of them have very light periods, there is no ovulation, it's all supressed, and that is why many do not see a big danger in BBFS.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. You really make me laugh. Sounds like a tall story to me. I suggest read up on the internet. There are a few myths around. Then you can quote a reliable source. LOL
Girls who do not have periods are typically taking birth control pills non stop. Others may pretend they don't have a period but in fact stuff a small yellow sponge up there called a "Luuk Jiap" (literally means a "chick" - baby chicken).
There are girls taking injections of special birth control medication. That may prevent periods for extended time, I don't know. I have also heard fasting can cause a girl to miss periods but it would not be reliable. There are medications that talk about just 4 periods per year.
I usually never note the number. Kind of a space cadet in that regards. But the name Fon sounds familiar. I would have to go again, probably will want to try other gogo's, if I even go. I'm more of a soapy massage guy honestly as I find the ST value to be better. But gogo's have their place for drinking / partying and potential to click and take it to LT. I guess gogo's are more of a hunt, for those who like that. I prefer value (price to quality) myself so I focus on soapies and will probably branch out to freelancers now that I have more free time at night.
[QUOTE=Zuperfly;2033046]Was this #77, 'Fon'?
If yes, lucky to get her for 2,000.
So I am looking for better talent now. I see a girl with a rather hot body. Actually it wasn't, but the way she carried herself made her look hot. Very slutty / sensual dancing, confident, and muscular / tone and Isaan short / tan (which I do like, it's *one* of my types, not my favorite but it has its place). I was almost fairly certain she was on yabba, which well. Has it's pro's and con's. Feeling the need for a freak, to make up for the gogo queen, I got her a lady drink. I indicated I would only pay for 1 and that's what went through. She was very slutty with regards to dancing, just fun all-around. And yeah, 2 classic signs of yabba use: sweating and fingernail polish breath (she made out with me a lot). Also, the very confident and hyper / crazy shenanigans were another clue to how high she was. I saw the mamasan looking at her, concerned about her erratic / raunchy behavior. BF'ed her ST and she was even more strung out and distracted in the room. But was okay, just paying for sex nothing else. And there are benefits to them being high (certainly not a starfish, just easily distracted and changing positions a lot). Offered 2500ST, but negotiated down to 2000ST. Also, back in the room, I was concerned she was going to go crazy and start biting (IE: like bite my lip off) if she got triggered somehow. And she did bite / punch quite a bit, my taste buds still hurt from when she bit my tongue.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Maxmaxmax;2033133]What the hell is a "standard" bar fine at CH these days? I've seen people say 2500, but also 3000. Tonight I was quoted 4000 (short time!) by a girl whose body type I is my favorite (pretty spinner, small tits) whom I proceeded to buy a lady drink for. She then took off to sit with another customer for the rest of the night. Annoying behavior. Maybe par for the course, I realize. But any tips on how to avoid this? I'm not too old or bad looking, by the way, so I'm pretty sure the problem isn't me. I'm also super polite, friendly, chill. Just don't get it.[/QUOTE]This is what happens when there are too many customers: prices shoot up and the girls get to pick who they fuck. Just leave, stop going there if you don't want to be frustrated and look for greener pastures. Always be looking for greener pastures.
[QUOTE=Daebis;2033049]Hi,
Any genuine tantra massage places, read about outcall sites that offer no sex but complete pleasure.
Also any great 4 hand massage places.
Visiting BKK next week for 3 days.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've gotten this at honey bee before. It was about 4000 or 4500 baht and includes FS. Not sure if they have a HJ only option but it never hurts to ask! I personally stopped going to honeybee because I'm kind of picky about quality and the girls there all seem kind of fat. But if they are giving tantric massage while you lay down, fat probably doesn't matter.
So the clubs in Bangkok such as Insanity, levels, climax, mixx, etc. Are any of them smoke free?? I know climax isn't smoke free, but if there is just 1 that is smoke free, then they'll have my business.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2033472]So the clubs in Bangkok such as Insanity, levels, climax, mixx, etc. Are any of them smoke free?? I know climax isn't smoke free, but if there is just 1 that is smoke free, then they'll have my business.[/QUOTE]Mixx has two separated areas. One is smoke free, the other one (with the Russian ladies) is a smoking area.
Levels has a terrace for smokers, bar and dance floor area are smoke free.
Cé la vie (even if not asked) has also a terrace for smokers, bar and dance area are non-smoking.
Insanity and Climax are not smoke free.
[QUOTE=Daebis;2033551]Gorgeous girl worked at suz w. Not a dancer more of a hostess, Ewww was her name I think.
Any idea where she is and what she up to?[/QUOTE]Girls were in 3 categories: Dancers, waitresses, and mamasans, so I guess Ehw would be a waitress (hostess). I recall one or two very nice girls in this category. However someone would need to ask LB mamasan Dtai what happened to her. You need to collect contact info for all important girls. Even then the contact info suddenly stops working regularly.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2033440]This is what happens when there are too many customers: prices shoot up and the girls get to pick who they fuck. Just leave, stop going there if you don't want to be frustrated and look for greener pastures. Always be looking for greener pastures.[/QUOTE]I don't think its a matter of "picking who they fuck". Their end game is to get you to barfine them and get you into a room for a ST and then get back into the bar so they can try and service as many as they can handle in a night. In this case, she gave the guy a price, he balked and she moved on. He had his chance. I find that the ladies that really stand out mostly operate in this manner. Beauty fades quite quickly in this biz so they've got to maximize their earnings.
Haven't you ever been in an a-go-go and saw a hottie with another guy and then snatched her when she went up to dance?
5 or 6 years ago, Shark Bar was my favorite a-go-go to visit when I wanted that sort of experience. They had a few cuties there and it was also a very mixed crowd of punters and the selection of the girls was varied with some catering to Asians and others to farangs. On one occasion, a particularly busy night, I spotted this new lady, very Eurasian looking, my ultimate spec. She also had a rocker vibe about her, crazy hair, thick smokey eyeliner, and knee high tube socks. She also had a couple of big tats which completed the homage.
My old MO, when I actually cared if the girl was attracted to me or not, was to do a lot of eye contact and to get them to tease me while on stage. If they played along then I would buy them a LD. I was so into this girl that I totally skipped that bit of vetting all-together.
As soon as we saw each other I made the drink gesture. She tried to play the 'Who? Me?' game for a second and then looked over to my right at another guy and gave him the drink gesture and pointed to me and mouthed 'sorry' and then came down to sit with me. The guy gave me this look that I imagine a guy would give when he walked in on his wife being anally plowed by the young buff pool boy.
As I watched her walk toward me with those hungry eyes, I couldn't help but notice the other guy in a tiff as he grabbed the nearest hostess and began to bark at her while looking and point at the lady approaching me. The hostess didn't really seem to care much and said something to him while point to a half empty drink on his table.
The lady came to rest next to me and we began to chit chat. I asked her if she was with the other guy and she said he only bought her a LD but he didn't own her. OK. I asked her if she wanted a drink and she accepted and we talked up until the point that she had to go and dance again. I told her that I was interested in taking her out of the bar and she told me 2500, the standard rate at that time. I told her 1,500 is normally what I pay and she gave me this sort of smirk that I took as 'we'll see'. Not going to lie, I felt a bit stung by her response but at the same time I respected her resolve.
As I alluded to previously, around this time I could consistently get working girls for much lower than what they normally charged. It became a game and I actually thought that it made me feel special or something along those lines but over time I've come to feel guilty about it, feeling like I was taking advantage of their situation as often times they would want something more on a emotional / personal level. These days I don't haggle much, I consider the qualities of the lady and then set a price point and if we can't agree right away I move on. Nothing personal, its just business.
So back to Shark's. The other guy was still sitting at his table, fuming, but at the sight of his infatuation returning to the stage, he perked up. Like a jack rabbit in heat, he grabbed the hostess, the same that he was just shouting at, and based on his abrupt pointing at the dancer and then at the seat next him led me to surmise that he wanted her off the stage. One would think that the hostess would be extremely dutiful at such a direct command but instead she chose to do her best slow loris imitation while going to notify the lady about his request.
After being summoned from her lofty pole, she gave me a solid stare and smirked again and then turned her attention to the other more eager gentleman.
A couple of months later, I returned to Shark. It was a fairly slow night, maybe 5 customers in the joint. As I was being escorted to an empty booth in the upper row and glanced up at the stage see who was working, sure enough there was the rocker chick. As soon as she saw me she gave me that same smirk as before and then the drink gesture. I hesitated and then after a playful 'hmmmm' expression I signaled her over. She immediately jumped down and came to sit beside me. She said she was happy to see me and and I returned the pleasantry. She went on to tell me about the last time I was there and that she was sorry that she didn't accept my proposal but the other guy wanted her more.
She was so indifferent about the situation so I congratulated her on her business saviness and we chilled for a bit, had a few drinks, and then I took her out for a nice ST session. Ego intact.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2033419]Ha ha. You really make me laugh. Sounds like a tall story to me. I suggest read up on the internet. There are a few myths around. Then you can quote a reliable source. LOL
Girls who do not have periods are typically taking birth control pills non stop. Others may pretend they don't have a period but in fact stuff a small yellow sponge up there called a "Luuk Jiap" (literally means a "chick" - baby chicken).
There are girls taking injections of special birth control medication. That may prevent periods for extended time, I don't know. I have also heard fasting can cause a girl to miss periods but it would not be reliable. There are medications that talk about just 4 periods per year.[/QUOTE]Not going to ask Dr Google about this, have known many girls in the way I described and it is a fact. Also knew of a shit bloke who married a thai woman, he also shagged her mother, he actually thought his wife was preggers again, but she had just turned off. It happens, maybe you might like to ask a gyno doctor.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;2033753]Not going to ask Dr Google about this, have known many girls in the way I described and it is a fact. It happens, maybe you might like to ask a gyno doctor.[/QUOTE]Might seem strange, but I don't typically consult Gyno doctors. I do know one in another country. There is no web info around though, That I can see, that suggests that women can control ovulation so easily, mind over matter. If girls can just turn off, how come so many young girls are getting accidentally pregnant? Perhaps the girl thought she "turned off" LOL but actually was still able to get pregnant. Girls are not really well educated about their own periods, and can easily have strange beliefs not based on any science.
Anyway, I don't believe stuff too easily unless there is pretty good evidence, especially when it comes to powers of the mind.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;2033753]Not going to ask Dr Google about this, have known many girls in the way I described and it is a fact. Also knew of a shit bloke who married a thai woman, he also shagged her mother, he actually thought his wife was preggers again, but she had just turned off. It happens, maybe you might like to ask a gyno doctor.[/QUOTE]A woman's cycle can be altered when she feels extreme bouts of depression, stress, or anxiety but the effects are random. There is no way for a woman to literally control the cycle with her mind. There must have been some other environmental stimulus involved like medication or they were just lying.
During my Bangkok visit last week I managed to visit some of the recommended bars in Nana and Soi cowboy.
As I mentioned before, Gogo bars are not my type so I'm not evaluating any experiences here with a Gogo girl, I just went to spend some time and watch the action with a couple of beers in every place.
As I read here I put on my list Billboard, Twisters from NEP and I added Angelwitch to check as because of the Rock music as I'm a fan.
From Soi Cowboy I put Crazyhouse, SuzieWong and Baccara for the popularity of the name.
NEP: Friday evening.
Billboard: Was the first place to visit, place was almost packed but I managed to sit on one of the benches, overall selection of girls was good, the overall attitude and behavior was very bad and pushy, the lady who escorted to my sitting bench insisted on pushing one of the girls to be my companion, I told her that I'm not going to choose a girl that day and I just came for 2 beers and leave, she doesn't care, my lady companion (#154) asked for a drink without taking my permission, I was not in the mood for arguments so I surrendered, I took my first beer and the lady took I tequila, before I finished my first beer the waitress came to ask me what I would like to drink more, again I ordered a second beer, the lady beside me was not talking and seems not interested, when her showtime was about to start she just left with no excuses, I finished my second beer and left.
Overall experience: may be nice selection of girls but the attitude inside is very bad.
Twisters: far more better than Billboard when speaking to the behavior of the management, no one there was pushy or rude, nothing to complain about, however the girls selection in BB was slightly better.
Angelwitch: Total crap, no rock music, very limited selection of girls all of them were not appealing, again pushy management, tried to force me to a certain lady but this time I was firm enough, boring shows and music, after 10 minutes I found a lady came and sit beside me asking me again to get her a drink, I refused gently but she just stayed beside me not talking and when I was going to leave she asked me to tip her for staying with me, I refused gently and left after about 20 minutes.
Soi Cowboy: Saturday night.
SuzieWong: Large selection of girls but most of them are average looking and may be old to some people's taste, some weird shows with pingpong balls, not my type but the ladies there looks interested in providing some fun, management attitude is very good and not pushy, the place was fun but may be the girls selection is not good.
Baccara: just stayed there for less than 2 minutes due to the place which was over packed with people, I didn't notice any nudes inside but there was a big selection of girls.
Crazyhouse: I think it was the best place over all, the best selection of girls among the other bars, lots of nude flesh everywhere, managed to have a chair on the bench between the stage and the bar, attitude is not annoying at all, overall seems like older ladies knows how to present themselves better than the younger ones, they are always smiling and appealing however I have to admit that the best selection of girls with different types was in CH, #63 (as long as I remember) was about to drive me crazy enough to decide to take a bar girl for the first time in LOS because of her dancing skills which was a lot seductive to my taste and her attractive smile and eye contacts shows how this lady is having abilities and know how to arouse a man, but one of the customers was locking her to himself, he was sitting on the stage underneath her and kept on flirting her till the end of the show as she went directly to him and they left together after a short while, the most annoying thing I saw there is some people trying to tip the ladies on stage with weird methods like putting money inside their vaginas.
It was strange for me specially that I felt the ladies are not interested with such things, I don't know if this is a common thing or not inside the place.
Overall experience with CH: it is the place to go for nice action to see and to choose a girl from. I will think to have a Gogo experience next visit.
I'm assuming that Cowboy, Nana, etc. Will all be closed for the Visakha Bucha holiday tonight (May 10), can anyone confirm? Anyone know of any places still open. Have a friend visiting town. On an unrelated note. Visited Kasalong again today. I swear service there seems to be in decline, which is sad. Really was my favorite. Un-engaged, no technique BBBJ and no CIM from girl. I wonder if there's been a change in the way the management is working or something. Probably shouldn't complain as it's still a pretty special thing to be able to do on any given Tuesday. Still, observing a downward trend.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;2033753]Not going to ask Dr Google about this, have known many girls in the way I described and it is a fact. Also knew of a shit bloke who married a thai woman, he also shagged her mother, he actually thought his wife was preggers again, but she had just turned off. It happens, maybe you might like to ask a gyno doctor.[/QUOTE]Say hallo to Father Christmas when you see him next.
Last time I met him I was 5-6 years old. Lost his track since then.
First night in town, got in late, after midnight. Hurried to hotel across from Soi Cowboy and then scampered over. Lights are all out!
I missed it. Wandered the streets through and around it for what seemed an eternity (about 30 minutes). On second pass through the darkened Soi Cowboy alleyway, saw a girl (sitting amongst others and she caught my eye. I stopped, she looked, said, "Come sit by me". Small talk, arrangements, in a taxi to her place / room close by.
Her body was so petite, and almost skinny perfect. I was starting to worry if maybe she was a he. Must have read my mind in the cab as she glided my hand over her crotch.
Her name is Amber. Skinny, but healthy skinny. Such abs. Amazing. Just a tight little body and maybe the smallest, tightest punani I've ever seen / tasted / been inside. Bolt ONS that almost look like they're going to explode through what little room she has under her skin. Just an A+ experience.
Couldn't understand 90% of what she was saying, even though she was speaking English, but I have her on Line and when I find out where she works I'll let you know.
Well. After I leave town anyway.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2033472]So the clubs in Bangkok such as Insanity, levels, climax, mixx, etc. Are any of them smoke free?? I know climax isn't smoke free, but if there is just 1 that is smoke free, then they'll have my business.[/QUOTE]I don't notice the smoke in Climax like before, Insanity is the same.
Trip report of my 2 week-ends in BKK:
1st week-end:
Climax was still alive, which is one of my fav. Hunting place (no bar fine, plenty of choices). But I have to say that the quality of the girls was pretty average. So much so that it took me ages to choose a girl, in fact it was closing time (4 am) when I asked a girl out. She was very friendly and relaxed, so I thought that she would be good in bed.
Average looking girl but with good attitude.
Sex was okay, nothing special, damage was 2000 be which is the ongoing rate for a freelancer.
Next night I went to Hillary 3 in the same Soi 11.
Again, the selection was poor, except a couple of girls who looked okay. The best thing about Hillary 3 was the music! Really good, but then I wasn't going there for the music.
So I walked up and down Sukhumvit to see what was on offer in the streets.
Lots of Africans (I'm not too keen on them), lots of ugly looking girls, lots of ladyboys, and a few okay girls. Passed.
I finally went to Nana plaza and found a good looking, friendly, bubbly girl and took her back. Again damage was 2000 be for a fairly good session.
But overall not too impressed with what I saw.
2nd week-end:
Totally shocked at learning that Climax closed its doors for good. Where should I go now?
I like the concept of a club / pub with freelancers and no barfine!
So I went to Insanity club. A bit by chance.
The venue is okay, the music good (more techno / dance than Climax), and more importantly girls.
Well, again, lots of average to ugly girls, but I noticed a few stunners!
Unfortunately, I got there a bit late, and some of them were taken already, but I believe that if you go there early (that's before 2 am as I did. !) you have a good chance to meet them!
Entry is 300 B and beer is 200 B.
When I choose a girl, I alway look for a sexy one (easy in Asia) that seems to have fun. I've been pretty lucky with my choices so far with this strategy.
And this girl was dancing like it was the last day of her life, and I thought that if she can move her body like that on a dance floor, then she can do the same in bed!
And indeed she was good in bed, moving her body over my dick with real passion!
Very GFE and ready to do it twice that night, it was a good experience, and it felt that she just wanted a good fuck with a guy rather than a paid sexual relation.
Still paid 2000 B, well worth it.
So there we go, Climax is closed, but there are other options, and I'm very curious to hear about your favourite Climax-style venues out there.
Thanks for sharing.
Only slept a few hours and decided to check out S22 a kapoo massage place I'd heard about, but it was now called B2 and I saw no one mingling around it, so. I chickened out and went by my old fav Kasalong.
It had rained today, so it was just slightly cooler than sitting next to a car that's been running for an hour, so when I got there I ordered a water (190 baht! And my favorite girl was nowhere to be seen, so I took someone named. Ah, hell, I can't remember her name. But she was the youngest looking girl there.
Speaking of which, I later googled for some info on S22 and apparently it had gotten raided a few years ago for trafficking under 18 girls. Yikes! No thank you!
So anyway, I paid my usual extra to get her butt naked. She didn't really want to take her bottoms off (period time), but I insisted that 'I' didn't mind, not really thinking that maybe SHE minded.
You'll all be happy to know that CIM did occur and she quickly spit it into wash towel, and she was really good at her job. Wish I could remember her name but, I'll just have to 'wing it' next time. She was pretty easy to choose, because the selection there was kinda. Lame. Mid day, about 1:00.
Does anyone go at night? I always go during the day.
Went and got a few more hours sleep, had a steak, and then went to Soi Cowboy again, where most of the lights were still out! Guess I missed the posts about Visakha Bucha. A few were open, Lighthouse, Suzy Wong, and. Shark, one I had never been in. I met a girl named Tacky, who pronounces it what sounds like Fuck-ee. Pretty girl with small breasts, a little taller than I normally like (but I'm a sucker for a nice girl if I sit and start talking), reddish brown hair longer on one side. She was really nice and I asked her to pick out another girl (usually a bad idea) and she chose her friend Nan.
This time it was a really good choice. Short blonde hair with light blue streaks, spinner with small boobs and some kick ass tattoos. They said 20 - Tacky was 30 but looked early 20's. So off we went back to my near by hotel and had a shower and a bunch of fun. Nan was another girl who's coochie was really small (geez I've hit the jackpot so far on this trip). As a threesome, I could be picky and say, I've had a hell of a lot better threesomes for free. Neither was really into doing anything with the other. But we ended it all with a double BBBJ that I could watch in the mirror and I was happy with it.
Yes, I didn't finish while having sex with either of them. Sometimes I just want to last and last. Oh, and of note. It was 3000 baht short time for each of them and 700 bar fine for Tacky, but 1500 bar fine for Nan. It sucks. But I just figured, maybe she'll be worth it. She IS, as long as you don't want GFE. She can be a little standoffish / shy, but she is a little tight body, with a small vagina. Like I said, I was happy.
Happy enough that we went and got dinner afterwards at the place across the alley from Sharks. Really good food. Enjoyable company. I know most here could care less about that part of it, but. I didn't mind that I spent that money on them.
During dinner I started to wonder if the restaurant had short time rooms for rent upstairs as these amazing looking (and dressed) women kept coming down with, not so great looking guys. Anyway, Tacky and Nan were a lot of fun to hang out with and talk to. Nan was a little more quiet and to herself, but Tacky was really cool and I'm going to go by and have a drink with her again after this holiday is over.
And on the way back to my hotel I realized. This is still Wednesday night! I notched four in just under 24 hours. Off to a great start on this trip!
Now though. I need some sleep.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2033946]Yes, I didn't finish while having sex with either of them. Sometimes I just want to last and last. Oh, and of note. It was 3000 baht short time for each of them and 700 bar fine for Tacky, but 1500 bar fine for Nan. It sucks. But I just figured, maybe she'll be worth it. She IS, as long as you don't want GFE. She can be a little standoffish / shy, but she is a little tight body, with a small vagina. Like I said, I was happy.[/QUOTE]I was in some GoGos for the first time in ages the other night and will be the last for awhile. Most were stocked with very average gals. Billboard had some good bodies and probably the best faces that I saw all night. But, lots of really poor quality nose jobs. After a couple of beers our little group of three (all 20 year plus vets of the scene) were discussing what these gals want price wise and what they are willing to provide. And frankly none of us see any value for money at all. Honestly, over 100 USD a piece for these gals? If they are good looking, have a ripping body, and provide an intense GFE or PSE depending on what the customer wants, they would be worth the 100 plus.
No offense to you personally SexInSti, but I just don't get it. One of the guys I was with still lives in the US and for 150 USD he can get a looker for an hour who really performs, has a good skill set, and takes her job seriously. When you add in the drinks at the bar and the ST hotel you are looking at close to 150, more if you are paying 1500 BF (which I might add is ridiculous).
I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2034049]I was in some GoGos for the first time in ages the other night and will be the last for awhile. Most were stocked with very average gals. Billboard had some good bodies and probably the best faces that I saw all night. But, lots of really poor quality nose jobs. After a couple of beers our little group of three (all 20 year plus vets of the scene) were discussing what these gals want price wise and what they are willing to provide. And frankly none of us see any value for money at all. Honestly, over 100 USD a piece for these gals? If they are good looking, have a ripping body, and provide an intense GFE or PSE depending on what the customer wants, they would be worth the 100 plus.
No offense to you personally SexInSti, but I just don't get it. One of the guys I was with still lives in the US and for 150 USD he can get a looker for an hour who really performs, has a good skill set, and takes her job seriously. When you add in the drinks at the bar and the ST hotel you are looking at close to 150, more if you are paying 1500 BF (which I might add is ridiculous).
I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.[/QUOTE]I totally agree that the guys are to blame. No doubt about it.
As far as sex in the USA, it's now close to the same price as in Thailand as far as a per encounter price. The difference being that if you get caught with a hooker in the USA, you get arrested, it goes on your permanent record, and you very likely lose your job.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2034091]I totally agree that the guys are to blame. No doubt about it.
[/QUOTE]Agreed. I think the guys who are not keen on the more modern Thai P4P scene and still rely on the sex complexes for finding dates, are definitely not in a buyers market. I stopped into CH around 8 months ago and I wasn't impressed at all with what I saw. I see the draw in that they are naked and all but I didn't really see anything that has ever prompted me to go back.
These days the only place I stop into on a semi-regular basis is Pink Panther in Patpong. It's on the circuit I take out of town guests on. PP actually has some really hot Coyotes (curvy but really fit workout bodies) who can dance but they are still short with the typical Issan look and attitude. They will go with customers but I was shocked when one of my buddies had to have this girl that he fell for and ended up paying her 5000ST plus 1500 BF. I understand the convenience of these places, especially for tourists, but I think it's gotten to the point where these venues prefer to be more like lounges and wanting to keep customers inside and drinking in order to pay for their astronomical rent. Something like a 1500 baht BF is seemingly meant to discourage customers but at the same time, if they can get someone to pay it then they make out either way.
Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.
I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2034133]Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.
I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?[/QUOTE]Pretty much 100% PSE oily shops for me. But, I'm getting tired of the fact there are no real lookers there, hence I only partake about once a month when I am really revved up. Otherwise I just spend my money on other things. I'd be glad to pay more than the 1900 - 2300 for better looking gals who perform the as well as the PSE olly gals. But I have yet to find a venue that offers as such.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2034049]No offense to you personally SexInSti, but I just don't get it. One of the guys I was with still lives in the US and for 150 USD he can get a looker for an hour who really performs, has a good skill set, and takes her job seriously. When you add in the drinks at the bar and the ST hotel you are looking at close to 150, more if you are paying 1500 BF (which I might add is ridiculous).[/QUOTE]No offense taken. I'm sure that in certain parts of the States that's true, but in the majority of the USA, it's still at least $200/250 per girl (not the $118 I paid). I was recently in Chicago, where 'Asian Apartment Girls' is the big thing. And it's $200 for a very strict hour (or shorter if you pop early). The quality of girls varies, sometimes very good, sometimes OK, occasionally a superb one. But they never stick around. On top of that, the secrecy, the process of verification, the threat of LE.
As a long time monger, I can understand the perspective you have. If I was here full time, I'd get picky as hell. But I'm not. I'm like a kid in a candy store right now.
But. I still do appreciate the sitting and chatting, the walk and talk to the hotel, and in this instance, the quick dinner and chat afterwards; none of which I get with these kind of experiences in the States. All in all I probably spent almost 3 hours with the two of these girls, which would've cost me a lot more in the USA.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2034049]I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.[/QUOTE]It may not be the 'less demanding' as it is just, unfamiliarity with the process. My first time here I fell for all kinds of stuff, just because I was worried I'd offend someone or didn't understand certain differences in how it all works. It's still a buyer's market, it just sometimes takes more work than buyers would like.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2034133]Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.
I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?[/QUOTE]A lot of the better looking girls I've met all use social media to set things up so they don't have to deal with some of the drunken silliness in the clubs. And the prices are better and no bar fines.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2034133]Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.
I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?[/QUOTE]I'm with you on that. My recent Agogo ventures were very brief. I totally enjoy the higher end Sopies and more Thai oriented places now.
I still like the Go Go's and find good looking / good performing girls there. This last trip I took quality girls out of Crazy House, Twister, Billboard, Mandarin, and Kings Castle II. I will post a trip report and bar review when I get over this jet lag thing. I also had enjoyable to amazing sessions in the Lord, La Belle, Addict, and Honey Bee. To my regret I could not find the time in 5.5 weeks to check out any Gentlemen's Clubs. I mixed it up with old friends (my regulars) and new talent of which I think a few might become regulars on my next trip.
I do not think soapy girls are any better looking than Go Go girls. A few are, but most are not IMHO. Most soapy girls appear to me to be from a different talent pool than Go Go girls. They look different. Service varies in most soapy places, but I think the service at the Lord is consistently exceptional, but as I wrote in another post, its a different kind of service than what I usually get from even my favorite Go Go girls or oily massage girls. The Lord girls are well trained / well managed sex professionals. Technically you don't have to do a thing. The girls really know how to turn a man on. Of course I participated equally in the action and had amazing times (5 out of 5 times) this year at the Lord. With Go Go girls and most oily massage girls, the sessions are much less technically oriented. It is more like amateur boy / girl love making which can get real passionate if you know what you are doing and are with the right girl which is why I still really like the Go Go's big time.
To each their own. I am always on the look out for new venues. I haven't tried the social media chat sites. I have looked in from time to time, but I never went further than that to set something up. I guess I am old fashion and like the hunt and to see a girl in the flesh, gage her atitude, talk to her, get a little personal, and then decide if I want her or not. Its all about the top 10% to 15% of the girls in oily massage parlors & Go Go's. The rest I leave to others. So I am still happy happy in BKK, but I also really like Jakarta and Manila, spending my time approximately 2:1:1 respectively. The girls there are different in MNL and CGK, but ultimately the same same. They are definitely worth checking out, however, if you find yourself getting weary of BKK girls. A little variety in this sporting life is a good thing.
To that end I must find the time to hit the Gentlemen's Clubs next time around. I make this resolution every year. Ha Ha.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2034091]I totally agree that the guys are to blame. No doubt about it.
As far as sex in the USA, it's now close to the same price as in Thailand as far as a per encounter price. The difference being that if you get caught with a hooker in the USA, you get arrested, it goes on your permanent record, and you very likely lose your job.[/QUOTE]I agree the all-in gogo club prices are edging up there, but Thailand can still be much cheaper if you play in certain segments of the market. Some examples:
In Bangkok two hours of multiple pop / full service at a PSE oily is 2,300 baht, which is $66 USD. For that price in the USA you typically get a QV (quick visit) 15 minute covered blow job off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok a BBBJ CIM at a BJ shop is 800 baht, which is $23 USD. In the USA it takes $60 for a QV (quick visit) 15 minute CBJ off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok quickie FS from a lower Suk FL can be had for 1,000 baht, which is $29. In the USA it takes $80 for a HH (half hour) of FS off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok a 90 minute two lady anything goes PSE at Eden Club is 4,200 baht, which is $120 USD. Guessing an equivalent two provider type situation in the USA would start in the $400-$500 range.
I could keep going but I think you get my point. In Bangkok not only can the prices be significantly lower, the service levels are typically significantly better.
SL.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2034191]I agree the all-in gogo club prices are edging up there, but Thailand can still be much cheaper if you play in certain segments of the market. Some examples:
In Bangkok two hours of multiple pop / full service at a PSE oily is 2,300 baht, which is $66 USD. For that price in the USA you typically get a QV (quick visit) 15 minute covered blow job off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok a BBBJ CIM at a BJ shop is 800 baht, which is $23 USD. In the USA it takes $60 for a QV (quick visit) 15 minute CBJ off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok quickie FS from a lower Suk FL can be had for 1,000 baht, which is $29. In the USA it takes $80 for a HH (half hour) of FS off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok a 90 minute two lady anything goes PSE at Eden Club is 4,200 baht, which is $120 USD. Guessing an equivalent two provider type situation in the USA would start in the $400-$500 range.
I could keep going but I think you get my point. In Bangkok not only can the prices be significantly lower, the service levels are typically significantly better.
SL.[/QUOTE]Very well put indeed! Too many people are not comparing equivalent things at all. I can get 2 hours in a Soapy with a young girl with a great perfect body for 2000 Baht. What will I get for same money in home country? I shudder to think what I would get for the same price. Something not at all nice. The western hookers at home are mostly (90%) horrible. I did not use one for many years. I quit tabletop clubs many years ago too. Not good VFM.
USA is known as the sex prison or super puritanical bible bashing Country. There are plenty of USA guys travelling to Europe for "secret" FKK sex holidays. They would not do that if the USA options were really good.
If there is nothing at a viable price in Thailand, guys could be finding girls on the Phnom Penh outskirts who don't speak English going for prices like many years ago, or Nigeria should be a cheap option.
I agree that gogo girls pricing has got out of hand, to be nearly double what it should be, however great fun girls can be found, and the money is not a big concern to a lot of the customers, hence that is how it got out of hand. There also seems to be no great difference in price asked between great girls and crap girls, perhaps varies more by the girls' looks, so that is why I like girls who do not specify a price. I can then adjust the payment to vary between great girls and crap girls. The reality is 90% of girls who don't specify a price, actually have a good attitude and turn out O.K.
For new girls, I tend to take the typical price multiplied by my success rate, to give a fair comparison between various new girl options. i.e. It is no use to me if Thermae girls cost me a little less, if none of them are good enough to repeat, service weak, and the body was unexpectedly poor. So bar girls are costing me more, but I have a higher success rate, than freelancers or Soapy girls. Only the PSE shops really offer a great price and a great success rate for service. It is then purely a question of finding someone pretty enough to be of interest.
There are many factors to consider, not just the price alone. I only take LT with girls known to be good VFM, pretty, good body and good service. Everything has to be right, almost perfect. Some of my gogo girls would be very good LT options for me if their price is right.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2034173]I do not think soapy girls are any better looking than Go Go girls. A few are, but most are not IMHO. Most soapy girls appear to me to be from a different talent pool than Go Go girls. They look different. Service varies in most soapy places, but I think the service at the Lord is consistently exceptional, but as I wrote in another post, its a different kind of service than what I usually get from even my favorite Go Go girls or oily massage girls. The Lord girls are well trained / well managed sex professionals. [/QUOTE]I agree, unfortunately my recent Lord tryout girl, was not as good as my favourite gogo girls for GFE service, her body was a little behind as well, and she was not as good as my Evita girl at almost 35% of the price. I guess this is bad luck, but not many of the Lord girls are stunning enough to really interest me, probably due to me being allergic to surgeries. The odd one like K35 spotted just once, was really stunning, so I may try again some day.
Most girls I ever tried at La Belle, were not good enough to repeat either. I only ever had one favourite there, and I went off her as well. I don't really understand what has gone wrong for me in the modern day, since 20 to 15 years ago at ChaoPhraya 2, I used to have very high success rates. Of course girls were all natural in those days, but that should not affect performance. I wonder if it has something to do with number of years in the age gap, and that 15 to 20 years ago, Thai girls liked young Farangs more than they do now.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2034199]
USA is known as the sex prison or super puritanical bible bashing Country. There are plenty of USA guys travelling to Europe for "secret" FKK sex holidays. They would not do that if the USA options were really good.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of good options in the USA if you don't worry about being arrested and having that arrest ruin your life.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2034241]There are plenty of good options in the USA if you don't worry about being arrested and having that arrest ruin your life.[/QUOTE]What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2034282]What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?[/QUOTE]Off-topic, but as far as I understand, police in the US do busts at MPs as well. If you're careful, the likelihood of getting caught for a customer is lower than with a streetwalker (too much effort to set up a full decoy shop to bust customers), but there have been arrests of customers during raids.
US is one of the rare countries where penalties for customers are extreme, potentially life-changing, and likelihood of being caught is high, since prostitution busts are easy, low-risk wins for the police. You can basically be labeled a sex offender and precluded from ever working a decent job again (due to background checks), or even living in most decent places. Even if not convicted, in some states, they can take your car through civil forfeiture on mere suspicion of cruising for sex.
I checked my regulars on LINE. I made some calls. Virtually none of my regular girls was available today.
Emannuelle girl away sick, Evita girl not in, Prae (Mango) on holiday, Orient girl still on holidays, Can Cam May girl not scheduled, ex Twisters girl avail tomorrow, Oom not working CH today, my New Massage girl Pink long gone (probably got a BF), etc. Etc. Just wanted a ST so was not taking my all night girl, as have to work early in morning, and my Soi 4 girl typically comes late. Decided to check Crazy House and if poor, would try maybe some other girls at Can Cam.
First set of girls (the shorties) no dice. No one with good enough face. 2nd set, I see a girl from the back only and admire her sleek body with beautiful peach ass. Is that ass familiar? Has blondish reddish hair. She is talking to another girl I know Noi. Recognise a few other girls, some not seen for a long time, Boom, Ui, Naen, and Chocolat (returned after baby). I change seats. Now I can see the cute ass is attached to a girl with very cute nose and very pretty pussy, in fact I know her, it is Jun (rhymes with fun) No. 93, skinny girl small tits, no baby, tight pretty pussy, but best of all she specializes in Farangs, doesn't like Asians or blacks, and was the girl who told me at our first meeting that she likes big cock, even before she had any clue what size I was. So absolutely no risk of the dick scared seized up stiff legs syndrome that I experience sometimes with new girls. I also remember she DFKs pretty good despite teeth braces. So here is a sure fire girl for me, who makes it fun on the bed. I could not remember at all if she does a good BBBJ. Too bad, I do remember I had her down as a definite for repeat.
So cost more than my recent Oily girl, due to bar fine and a couple of drinks each, and a ST room. However for me, her looks were far in front of the Oily girl, especially really model like body. So perhaps it is nearly worth it. Still cheap than my try at The Lord, and far more satisfying. As it is only Thursday, did not get kicked out of Asoke Place ST room after 1 hour. I would estimate we took 90 minutes. The DATY and BBBJ were not lengthy so most of the time was fucking in various positions. Her DFK was pretty good. BBBJ average I guess.
Not as good VFM as my Evita girl or a Mango or Tulip girl or my favourite on Soi 4, however, had to take what was available with no risk of failure, and got my type of pretty and sexy into the deal. It's not easy to find girls like this in the MPs where one can guarantee the perfection of the belly, pussy, and ass, see evidently no surgeries, railway tracks etc. In MPs you have to get lucky the first time she takes her clothes off, or have read someone's very detailed revue. None of my favourite girls ever came from someone else's revue. Always had to find them for myself to suit me. I usually only benefitted from recommendations of a shop to try out, and even then usually sceptical. For me, Crazy House line up tonight did actually have a few possibilities and definitely well in front of Club 102 line up the other night, of course it helps the girls are nude, but less surgeries as well. A few pairs of sillies tonight but not that many.
I don't actually care about the standard of the full line up when we are looking at 40 to 60 girls. Really only the top few ever matter. I can only really focus on one or two girls at a time.
Was funny about announcements at Crazy House. First one in Thai, tells the girls to make sure they have a photocopy of their ID cards, etc. For the Police inspection coming tomorrow. I could follow that announcement easily. 2nd announcement in English for the customers, possibly something about upstairs, but really I could not understand it at all. If they must announce in English, they should find a good English speaker. I am sure all the Japanese customers, equally had little clue what was announced.
One girl at CH I know comes from near to Siem Riap Cambodia and speaks Thai not so clear, possibly worse than me at times. I wonder if she has to stay away for the Police visit. She tells me it only costs her 250 Baht on bus and takes 4 hours to get to her home in Cambodia. Strange she can work. The Boi Baet Cambodian girl at Suzie Wong some time ago had to quit due to not a Thai citizen.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2034282]What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?[/QUOTE]I have used USA AMP's for many years. They advertise as massage on backpage, craigslist, and other online places. They tend to get busted when neighbors complain or when the government does a sweep, supposedly looking for sex trafficking. Sometimes television stations and newspapers do stories about sex at these massage places, complete with photographs of exterior and interior.
In USA, busts for street prostitution, American parlors, and escorts are common. IMHO, it is more difficult to set up a bust for an AMP simply because there are very few Americans working in law enforcement that can fake a good Asian accent and mannerisms. I'm still very cautious when I walk into an AMP for the first time.
Lak. That is her her name. Just left the room. Pornstar knockers and a pretty face, #80 regular girl in Crazy House. As I expected, not worth the 3000+700 BF damage. But still, I wanted to give her a shot.
Before anything, I asked her if she would do BJ, how long was the ST for her, you know, basic data. My questions made her reluctant and since my destination is not on Sukhumvit she would say "Sorry I won't go". I had to insist like a dumb ass to have her come. She asked me to go upstairs, I said I was not into it. "BJ only with condom" (she did, it lasted about 10 sec).
Then in taxi she was gossiping with the taxi driver. No bad spirit. Telling me about her life, her family, the bills she has to pay. The usual bar girl stuff. Big yawns, looking tired, not a good sign.
Touchdown at my place, light chat, straight to shower and she is waiting on the bed. I come, no kiss, I cuddle her, light GF reactions. She is pushy to get the condom on. I know the scene, it is a big turn off. Inside her in some positions, she acts like a GF on duty. Basically, she pushes me to cum. As the situation is a passion-killer, I am getting soft. Take off the condom, she HJs me. Then I get to titfuck her and come. What else to do? About 30 min. Not satisfied. Walk her downstairs as I promised to do, then immediately write the report.
So overall I do not recommend her. I'd say if you like big pornstar knockers, just pay her a drink and grab the beasts for a while. Anything else is just a waste of your energy, time, money and so on.
[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2034325]Lak. That is her her name. Just left the room. Pornstar knockers and a pretty face, #80 regular girl in Crazy House. As I expected, not worth the 3000+700 BF damage. But still, I wanted to give her a shot.
[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I did see her in there tonight, but did not dance many times, while I was looking. You must have BFed her.
Each to their own taste. The girl with the almost watermelon sized knockers does not appeal to me, and one time she had a big fight with Oom, one of my favourite tall skinny girls with light skin and with small tits (not enough to sag LOL) who likes stirring, so was probably asking for it LOL. Oom in contrast is an excellent fuck and likes to really go for it on the bed. She wasn't working tonight.
You should have tried the highly war painted, highly pierced, very dark skinned "Geronomo" girl Ice, sillies approaching a Dcup, maybe not quite. She was there tonight, and Smoothy says she lives up to her raunchy look. Unfortunately not my taste at all. The face not exactly feminine for me.
We all have a different idea of what is pretty. So Lak was pretty average looking for me, and the tits are just ridiculous. I do enjoy large soft not too saggy naturals though. You would probably not go for my girl tonight at all being the super slim model type. Was probably under 45 Kg at 160 to 165 cm. Very good waist to thigh ratio though giving her a nice curve and big gap between the thighs accentuating the full firm high ass cheeks.
I used to take Bo with natural big Dcups a long time ago once or twice but rather a star fish. Ging Gaew also had big naturals on voluptuous body, and was good, but she is long gone (probably has a sponsor). My two other great girls with big tits, Nat and May Lee are also both gone. Still a few girls there with really nice natural tits, however, the faces vary, and I did not even meet some of the new ones yet.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2034336]Ha ha. I did see her in there tonight, but did not dance many times, while I was looking. You must have BFed her.
Each to their own taste.(...).
You should have tried the highly war painted, highly pierced, very dark skinned "Geronomo" girl Ice (...).
We all have a different idea of what is pretty. So Lak was pretty average looking for me, and the tits are just ridiculous.(...)[/QUOTE]Yep, I did call her immediately as I entered the joint. Totally agree, we all have different tastes, and even mine can vary with time and blood alcohol level. I was suspicious about her talent, and turns out I was right. She is a grinder. I find her juggs also exaggerated, almost freaky, but nevertheless I wanted to try. Maybe I watched too many American x-rated flicks. She told me she had several breast enhancement, and she was not happy with the results since the nipples would point upwards, so the solution was to make the boobs bigger.
Yes, it is difficult not to notice Ice, tattoos, piercing and stuff. I am pretty sure she is in almost anything you would ask, the great PSE. But there is something masculine about her that turns me off.
Now most of big titties in CH are fake, as long as I can judge. Same as Baccara. But as a European, I kinda miss voluptuous breast and hips. But still happy to live here.
BF'd Moji tonight. Very petite with lovely smile. 2500ST + 700 BF. Good experience, sweet girl, eager to please. One question. Do all of the girls at CH who wear skirts / tops do so because they have had kids and are hiding stretch marks. That was the case with her, although still a lovely little body.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2034148]It's still a buyer's market, it just sometimes takes more work than buyers would like.[/QUOTE]I'd disagree with you here. It is a seller's market. There are way fewer gals on the game then then were 15 years ago. And that is on every level. Soapies were stocked; ChaoPraya 2 was full. Bet there were no less than 150-200 gals on the risers. GoGos were heaving and at closing time the gals would be going up to every punter they could find outside the bars in Cowboy and at the exit to NP saying, "go with you, go with you?" Suk was packed with FLs. Again, you could not walk 20 mtrs without a proposition. Overall attitudes were significantly better as well.
I remember a conversation I once had with the owner of Playskool, Sheba's, and Suzi's back about '10. He said, "These gals used to work for me; now I work for them. ".
[QUOTE=Maxmaxmax;2034354]BF'd Moji tonight. Very petite with lovely smile. 2500ST + 700 BF. Good experience, sweet girl, eager to please. One question. Do all of the girls at CH who wear skirts / tops do so because they have had kids and are hiding stretch marks. That was the case with her, although still a lovely little body.[/QUOTE]No. Oom is shy to dance totally nude, but has no baby, no stretch marks and no sag. Has nice tits but not big at all, like young teenage tits. Skinny girl. It is just girl's personal choice. If the skirt is pulled up very high to almost the navel exposing pussy underneath, then 90% chance she is hiding damage.
Some girl have excellent tits but hide them under a bra. Seems silly. Also silly that they don't have topless girls unless they are full nude. I would not mind if girls wore G string but showed their lovely tits.
It's easy to check. Buy the girl a drink and lift her skirt. I once bought Oom a couple of tequilas and then took her top off. She did not keep it off but at least I got a good look and feel. It's not illegal to feel up a girls tits either.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2034462]I'd disagree with you here. It is a seller's market. There are way fewer gals on the game then then were 15 years ago. And that is on every level. Soapies were stocked; ChaoPraya 2 was full. Bet there were no less than 150-200 gals on the risers. GoGos were heaving and at closing time the gals would be going up to every punter they could find outside the bars in Cowboy and at the exit to NP saying, "go with you, go with you?" Suk was packed with FLs. Again, you could not walk 20 mtrs without a proposition. Overall attitudes were significantly better as well.[/QUOTE]Yes absolutely. CP2 was in it's heyday for quite a number of years up until Thaksin came to power. I probably used it from about 1995 onward, and regular up to year 2000, and again in around 2004-2005. Thaksin's guy in parliament, forget the name, swept out all the non Thai nationals and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls in early 2000's. Forget exact year. That may have been just over 15 years ago. As there were a lot of Tha-yai from Burma in CP2, the numbers dropped significantly, by up to 30%. I am still in contact with one of those girls who got swept out. In her late 30's now. Then the 2007-2008 financial crises decimated the remaining business, but decline was already well underway before that. I probably ended my visits to CP2 in about 2005, when it was still going okay But no where near it's peak. Subsequent visits after the financial crises saw very weak numbers and mostly the older girls that once wore white uniforms. I have not made another visit in recent years.
The steep price rises in the gogos, seem to be evidence that it has been very much a sellers market, where lack of price rises in the Oilies for many years, excepting perhaps Japanese oriented shops, suggests that sector in a buyers' market.
Gogo girls seem to set prices between 2000 and 3000. Perhaps some go lower, but presumably those ones are to ugly for me to consider, since I never met them. I still get plenty of girls going without setting a price though. I think my crap girl from Angel Witch asked for 2.5K after I told her to go home, and had not even fucked her. She clearly was worthless. Not even close to a 2.5K price. Compare to an Evita girl costing 2K that probably makes 1.2K at most for a 2 hour session, perhaps only 1K.
It's definitely a sellers market at "The Lord" soapy. that place has 100 girls and a lot of them are busy upstairs, despite the over the top prices. It's easily seen to be much busier than the other Soapies. Hard to fathom, for me, since I only find a very small portion to be absolutely stunning due to quirks of my personal taste (the stunning K class girl had a price over 6K Baht girl probably gets 3.5K of that max) . Catherine used to be a very busy Soapy for Thai customers, but I haven't checked in recent years. Girls in line up were too ugly for me.
[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2034351]
Now most of big titties in CH are fake, as long as I can judge. Same as Baccara. But as a European, I kinda miss voluptuous breast and hips. But still happy to live here.[/QUOTE]Yes I don't see any big wobbly bouncy naturals around at the moment, unless on fat girls. Some firm mid sized tits that may be natural. I was checking out a couple of those girls.
Yes disturbing trend that looks are starting to head towards Bacarra style, with more crazy or wig like hairdos, more nose jobs and more sillies. Was better for me 3-4 years ago.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2034049]I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.[/QUOTE]I agree. That is why, at a minimum, I focus on achieving a fully CIM finish BJ or a REAL GFE in terms of FS. That is virtually the only VFM a modern young Thai P4 P girl is capable of offering due to lack of expectations on the part of the customers. Big waste of time and money searching endlessly for and expecting modern young Thai P4 P girls to deliver something wonderfully "PSE" or so-called "GFE" by pulling some fabulous sensual tricks or gimmicks out of an empty bag thanks to today's lower customer demands. They don't have wonderfully sensual tricks to offer, never needed them, never learned them, aren't intrinsically inclined to do them, will only engage in them after lengthy and repeated training sessions, if that. The vast, vast majority of the time, they only have what god gave them at birth to offer. Which is quite fine, btw.
Any compromise on that minimal standard isn't worth the money and travel time to this part of the world, imo. Not for P4P, that is. For dating regular non-P4P girls and getting as much natural pussy and complete blowjobs you can rack up, this is still a terrific destination.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2034523]Yes I don't see any big wobbly bouncy naturals around at the moment, unless on fat girls. Some firm mid sized tits that may be natural. I was checking out a couple of those girls.
Yes disturbing trend that looks are starting to head towards Bacarra style, with more crazy or wig like hairdos, more nose jobs and more sillies. Was better for me 3-4 years ago.[/QUOTE]I made my first venture to CH earlier this year and was amazed at the quality. I always say that the girls in Baccara on Walking Street are the best in either city, but CH was very close. Of course the total nudity may have influenced my senses LOL, but Baccara, at least in Pattaya, has some nudity. I wasn't impressed with the Baccara in Soi Cowboy at all. Too small, and to many girls on stage at one time. Just MHO.
[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2034781] I wasn't impressed with the Baccara in Soi Cowboy at all. Too small, and to many girls on stage at one time. Just MHO.[/QUOTE]I agree. When fussy about choosing a girl, it is not good when majority of the girls are hidden by others due to overcrowded stage. They could easily have more sets of girls with less dancing in each set. Have to walk around the whole stage to see if anyone looks interesting. I never liked the upstairs girls at all..
Twisters in Nana has some good quality girls, but many have multi layer bras with padding, so cannot tell if the tits are good or not. Some topless girls.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2034875] I never liked the upstairs girls at all..
[/QUOTE]Interesting. Yet you like CH. A good number of the girls working at CH used to work upstairs at Baccara.
In my experience, the girls working upstairs at Baccara wearing the school girl outfits are much naughtier and better in bed than the girls downstairs in the bikinis.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2034884]Interesting. Yet you like CH. A good number of the girls working at CH used to work upstairs at Baccara.
In my experience, the girls working upstairs at Baccara wearing the school girl outfits are much naughtier and better in bed than the girls downstairs in the bikinis.[/QUOTE]I don't doubt that upstairs girls at Bacarra may be better on the bed. I still never selected one. Could not find an all natural pretty one (would have been working downstairs if had the looks).
I don't like CH that much any more. Visits are now infrequent. It is starting to be a bit more like Bacarra for girl looks (not a good change). Saying I like CH is over simplification. It's more like I prefer CH over other Cowboy bars due to naked girls and maybe a better selection than Long Gun, Doll House, Suzi Wong. That is not saying much.
Yes we know you like raunchier, where I like prettier. Could be some of the raunchy girls at CH come from Bacarra and yes some are very ugly. I don't like ALL girls at any club. Non of my CH girls came from Bacarra. I am aware of two crap girls at CH that came from Doll House, Priao and Chocolat, and are in the more raunchy category, but bad on the bed. No big deal. I am not interested in either of them.
I have had 3 Bacarra girls that were worth repeating over the years (all from downstairs. Pretty rather than raunchy), so I can like Bacarra girls, if find the right ones, no surgeries. I have only 3 girls at CH that I have fucked in the last year, and 1 or 2 others gone. In a bunch of 60 to 80 girls, that is not highly representative. Did not try a new girl this year.
For girls working in gogo bars, I have only 3 left that I would repeat, and all are from CH. Suzie, Twisters, Billboard, Mercury, etc. girls all left the club. Some found sponsors. Other girls tried in last few months were not good enough to repeat. It's trending towards eventually having no bargirls left at all. Found 1 new Soapy girl worth repeating, and a couple of repeatable Oily girls, this year. The mongering scene must be in decline, or I just get less and less satisfied by talent available. Takes so much effort to find girls to go on the regular list now.
Will be staying at grand Hyatt for business meetings over this weekend however have couple.
Of guys with me, please guide me if there is any sopie BJ bar etc very near.
To it so that I can have quick action within 1-2 hours.
Looking forward to help and I'm case anyone needs directions in India I.
Will be of help.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2034913]I am aware of two crap girls at CH that came from Doll House, Priao and Chocolat, and are in the more raunchy category, but bad on the bed. No big deal. I am not interested in either of them.[/QUOTE]So they are raunchy girls and you say you don't like raunchy girls, and you are not interested in either of them. Just curious, but how do you know they are bad on the bed?