Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this but I don’t give a damn. A very nice lady got fucked over and it isn’t right. Not sure where to post this but there is a lovely lady in BKK (and many of us know her) who has screwed up her life because of a fellow punter out there. This reminds me a warning that Giotto posted someplace about the rules of mongering and what is right and what is not right when it comes to dealing with the girls, and what happened here I don’t think is right.

There’s this girl who was very popular in her job, made a lot of money, many punters liked her and treated her like a lady, travelled with her, and other punters who never had sex with her, myself included, treated her like a kid sister at times. Unfortunately she fell for a guy and the guy was married with children. But true love, he loves her, and she loves him. So after a while of heart breaks and tears she decides that she loves this man and he wants her to stop going other customers so she stops work. He says that since he has wife and child he can support her little and that is OK because she truly loves this man and he loves her. After a month or two of using her savings to survive she finally finds a job that pays a whole 7,000 baht.

7,000 baht working a regular job, when she could make 20,000 baht a week in her old job with many guys who watched out for her, took her travel, and honestly cared about this lady but were honest enough to not tell her stories and promise her items that would not come true. But she loves this man and this man would help support her little and this would all be OK because he loves her and she loves him. Two weeks into her job she finds out this man comes to BKK and he does not like that fact that his girl needs to work 10 hour days in regular job and does not have full time available for him. Plus he tells her that since he has wife and child he does not think he can pay her even little all the time and she should find job that pays as much as she made when she used to work in the bar, without of course going with other men. So this girl who left a very high paying position where she had an established client list and an establish position in the hierarchy of the bar, is now supposed to go out and find a job that pays 60 K baht a month or more and one that allows her to take time off to go with the man she loves when he wants and she is not supposed to go with other men, and if she doesn’t do all of this then obviously she does not love this man.

The girl even told family about this man and how she love and how he loves her. Now this girl is left working 10 hour days, making 7,000 baht a month, stopped her old work, told family all about her new love and how her new life would be, only to have lost face with everyone. I am told that she threw out her old phone sim and all contact info on past clients (can never be sure but I tend to believe her). But… she is determined not to go back to the bars for which I applaud her, but I am not sure she will survive without going back to a bar, if not the old bar then a bar, or to find another sponsor. And this will be a big loss of face. Personally I just hope she goes back to her village and leaves this all behind. This is the type of girl that deserves a nice guy and through bad judgment probably will never end up with a good guy.

What I don’t like is how as mongers many of us can sit around and call these girls sluts or *****s or such and say how bad they treat us or try to cheat us or such.. when in reality there are many more punters who treat the girls like shit. Maybe some of the girls are lying ***** scum but there are many ladies out there that don’t deserve to be treated like street urchin. Each girl out there who works P4P probably has a similar story that makes them how they are. So try to remember this next time you take a girl out.

On the other side of the coin, in my own personal situation, I know for a fact a girl I used to see who emails and calls me all the time and swears she still loves me is now marrying a guy from America, about 35 years older then her, he pays for her and her family, but she still wants to meet me every chance she gets (no money involved) even if she knows I have a new TGF and she swears she is being true to this other guy. She says she does not love him but will marry him and be good to him (while she is screwing me but I believe she is not screwing others) because he supports mom and family. She says her body belongs to mom and family, and it is only her body that this man is touching and having. She says her mind and heart belong to mom and family, and that yes I am still in her heart. He will never be in her heart and mind he will only have her body which she does not care. She even busses down to BKK when I am in town to meet me, and is wanting one last romp before she heads off to America. Her excuse and justification, it is better to marry a guy who will support her family then to fall in love with a bastard (obviously me) who was not willing to love her forever (atleast I was honest to her). And I can’t blame her and still think this guy from America is getting one hell of a bargain even if she is cheating on him.

So who is the bigger ***** or bastard, the girl who is marrying a guy because he supports the family even if she is willing to screw around with an ex friend (lover) or a guy who ruins a girls life by telling her to stop work and change her life only to dump her on the side of the soi? I think there is a larger collection of bastards in us mongers then there is a collection of bitches in the girls who do P4P. Or maybe I should stop the drinking and forget this shit… it is just wrong when a girl who is nice is hurt and treated like pond scum by some bastard. Is this what makes some of your dicks get hard? To try to get a girl to love you only to break her down and dump her and leave her?

And the funny thing is… this bastard is an ISG member….

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV] ... I think there is a larger collection of bastards in us mongers then there is a collection of bitches in the girls who do P4P. Or maybe I should stop the drinking and forget this shit.[/QUOTE]Tanzak - a sad but familiar story, and I'm sure it happens to hundreds every year, all around the world.

PS - I thought you were a non-drinker.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Tanzak - a sad but familiar story, and I'm sure it happens to hundreds every year, all around the world.

PS - I thought you were a non-drinker.[/QUOTE]

I spike my green tea with protein powder now and then :D

I just want the bastard to read this report, I know him and others do too, turns out to be a real slim ball.

Very well put Tansak KTV.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this but I don’t give a damn. A very nice lady got fucked over and it isn’t right. Not sure where to post this but there is a lovely lady in BKK (and many of us know her) who has screwed up her life because of a fellow punter out there. This reminds me a warning that Giotto posted someplace about the rules of mongering and what is right and what is not right when it comes to dealing with the girls, and what happened here I don’t think is right.

So who is the bigger ***** or bastard, the girl who is marrying a guy because he supports the family even if she is willing to screw around with an ex friend (lover) or a guy who ruins a girls life by telling her to stop work and change her life only to dump her on the side of the soi? I think there is a larger collection of bastards in us mongers then there is a collection of bitches in the girls who do P4P. Or maybe I should stop the drinking and forget this shit… it is just wrong when a girl who is nice is hurt and treated like pond scum by some bastard. Is this what makes some of your dicks get hard? To try to get a girl to love you only to break her down and dump her and leave her?

And the funny thing is… this bastard is an ISG member….[/QUOTE]


Personally I wouldn’t go through all this trouble for a piece of ass but... Don’t like to stereotype but I watched Japanese guys do it to unsuspecting Filipinas in Japan damn near every day. “I am going to marry you, take care of you, give you a visa, blah blah blah you smell what I am cooking?

I would get burned under the collar because I knew most of the time the guys were full of shit but what can you do? Also just because you are open and honest with these ladies of the third world do you really think they one hundred percent understand what you are saying. Telling a Thai or Filipina I am not looking for anything serious which roughly means I just want to fuck you for a while and run away they still hope beyond hope that you might change your mind.

I remember back in my military days telling American girls that and they would flat out say I am not looking for anything serious either. Most western women get the picture clearly. SE Asia “breezies” on the other hand no matter how much you dumb it down they just don’t get it. I remember a Thai girl coming into bar in Pattaya and kicking my partner in the back while he was dancing with another girl spilling his drink yelling at him saying he was a butterfly only after they spent one night together LOL….Just one example of many. The more I hang around SE Asia the more the women seem like children….

Second thing is we don’t know his side of the story maybe he did feel for her and wanted to be with her and then changed his mind or maybe it was just lust. He could have had malice intent or could have just fallen for the charms of Asia and then woke the fuck up. We may never know.

[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Personally I wouldn’t go through all this trouble for a piece of ass but... Don’t like to stereotype but I watched Japanese guys do it to unsuspecting Filipinas in Japan damn near every day. “I am going to marry you, take care of you, give you a visa, blah blah blah you smell what I am cooking?

Second thing is we don’t know his side of the story maybe he did feel for her and wanted to be with her and then changed his mind or maybe it was just lust. He could have had malice intent or could have just fallen for the charms of Asia and then woke the fuck up. We may never know.[/QUOTE]

I am told by a reliable source who has lived in Japan for a few years that most Japanese guys are very selfish.

On the other topic, I tend to be very careful with bargirl newbie types these days. It is known that they can get very stuck-on or possessive of guys very easily.
One of the very first bar-girls I ever went with had never met a guy that treated her well, and found it very difficult to accept that I would move on, and that perhaps she would meet a lot of arseholes in between the odd nice guy.

As I don't wish to lead girls on, I always make it clear that I have a GF already, and that I could not be the BF of someone so young anyway etc.
Its always easier in the end to be an honest butterfly rather than a bullshit artist. I would never like to lead on a girl of good character and meddle with her future.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]As I don't wish to lead girls on, I always make it clear that I have a GF already, and that I could not be the BF of someone so young anyway etc.
Its always easier in the end to be an honest butterfly rather than a bullshit artist. I would never like to lead on a girl of good character and meddle with her future.[/QUOTE]

Yes, yes this is one of the things I really have to work on LOL but in my defence, my GF(s) (or Giks) are not P4P so I guess I am not really screwing too much with their future. Does that make me a hopeless romantic?

Sorry..Tansak, you lost me here.

A guy convinces a pro to stop fucking for money and - probably - for the first time in her life - start doing a real job. What is wrong with that?

As per your logic all Thai women right now having a proper job should start hooking, coz it pays more?

LB





[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this but I don’t give a damn. A very nice lady got fucked over and it isn’t right. Not sure where to post this but there is a lovely lady in BKK (and many of us know her) who has screwed up her life because of a fellow punter out there. This reminds me a warning that Giotto posted someplace about the rules of mongering and what is right and what is not right when it comes to dealing with the girls, and what happened here I don’t think is right.

There’s this girl who was very popular in her job, made a lot of money, many punters liked her and treated her like a lady, travelled with her, and other punters who never had sex with her, myself included, treated her like a kid sister at times. Unfortunately she fell for a guy and the guy was married with children. But true love, he loves her, and she loves him. So after a while of heart breaks and tears she decides that she loves this man and he wants her to stop going other customers so she stops work. He says that since he has wife and child he can support her little and that is OK because she truly loves this man and he loves her. After a month or two of using her savings to survive she finally finds a job that pays a whole 7,000 baht.

7,000 baht working a regular job, when she could make 20,000 baht a week in her old job with many guys who watched out for her, took her travel, and honestly cared about this lady but were honest enough to not tell her stories and promise her items that would not come true. But she loves this man and this man would help support her little and this would all be OK because he loves her and she loves him. Two weeks into her job she finds out this man comes to BKK and he does not like that fact that his girl needs to work 10 hour days in regular job and does not have full time available for him. Plus he tells her that since he has wife and child he does not think he can pay her even little all the time and she should find job that pays as much as she made when she used to work in the bar, without of course going with other men. So this girl who left a very high paying position where she had an established client list and an establish position in the hierarchy of the bar, is now supposed to go out and find a job that pays 60 K baht a month or more and one that allows her to take time off to go with the man she loves when he wants and she is not supposed to go with other men, and if she doesn’t do all of this then obviously she does not love this man.

The girl even told family about this man and how she love and how he loves her. Now this girl is left working 10 hour days, making 7,000 baht a month, stopped her old work, told family all about her new love and how her new life would be, only to have lost face with everyone. I am told that she threw out her old phone sim and all contact info on past clients (can never be sure but I tend to believe her). But… she is determined not to go back to the bars for which I applaud her, but I am not sure she will survive without going back to a bar, if not the old bar then a bar, or to find another sponsor. And this will be a big loss of face. Personally I just hope she goes back to her village and leaves this all behind. This is the type of girl that deserves a nice guy and through bad judgment probably will never end up with a good guy.

What I don’t like is how as mongers many of us can sit around and call these girls sluts or *****s or such and say how bad they treat us or try to cheat us or such.. when in reality there are many more punters who treat the girls like shit. Maybe some of the girls are lying ***** scum but there are many ladies out there that don’t deserve to be treated like street urchin. Each girl out there who works P4P probably has a similar story that makes them how they are. So try to remember this next time you take a girl out.

On the other side of the coin, in my own personal situation, I know for a fact a girl I used to see who emails and calls me all the time and swears she still loves me is now marrying a guy from America, about 35 years older then her, he pays for her and her family, but she still wants to meet me every chance she gets (no money involved) even if she knows I have a new TGF and she swears she is being true to this other guy. She says she does not love him but will marry him and be good to him (while she is screwing me but I believe she is not screwing others) because he supports mom and family. She says her body belongs to mom and family, and it is only her body that this man is touching and having. She says her mind and heart belong to mom and family, and that yes I am still in her heart. He will never be in her heart and mind he will only have her body which she does not care. She even busses down to BKK when I am in town to meet me, and is wanting one last romp before she heads off to America. Her excuse and justification, it is better to marry a guy who will support her family then to fall in love with a bastard (obviously me) who was not willing to love her forever (atleast I was honest to her). And I can’t blame her and still think this guy from America is getting one hell of a bargain even if she is cheating on him.

So who is the bigger ***** or bastard, the girl who is marrying a guy because he supports the family even if she is willing to screw around with an ex friend (lover) or a guy who ruins a girls life by telling her to stop work and change her life only to dump her on the side of the soi? I think there is a larger collection of bastards in us mongers then there is a collection of bitches in the girls who do P4P. Or maybe I should stop the drinking and forget this shit… it is just wrong when a girl who is nice is hurt and treated like pond scum by some bastard. Is this what makes some of your dicks get hard? To try to get a girl to love you only to break her down and dump her and leave her?

And the funny thing is… this bastard is an ISG member….[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]
As per your logic all Thai women right now having a proper job should start hooking, coz it pays more?

LB[/QUOTE]
I take the job the pays best. Why shouldn't she? She quits her job because he wants her to and rthen he dumps her. Are you starting to get the drift?

Providing a great sex service is a well paid job because there is good demand. Bar girls who get to high enough status can pick and choose their customers too. They don't have to fuck just anybody.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
Providing a great sex service is a well paid job because there is good demand.[/QUOTE]

True. Also because, alas, there is a very restricted supply due to the stigma attached to prostitution.

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Sorry..Tansak, you lost me here.

A guy convinces a pro to stop fucking for money and - probably - for the first time in her life - start doing a real job. What is wrong with that?

As per your logic all Thai women right now having a proper job should start hooking, coz it pays more?

LB[/QUOTE]

For some guys it is a game to get a girl to fall for them and get her to commit 100% to them and only them then the game is over for them and they dump them as it is no more of a challenge. This is wrong. I never said the girl should go back hooking... I hope she doesn't but we'll see if she can do it or not.

It took him over 9 months to work on this girl and then when he has her he dumps her. He did not convince her to stop hooking and get a regular job, he convinced her that he would support her and take care of her and love her forever, start a family and the whole nine yards. And when she gave that to him he dumped her.

I expected some folks not to understand or agree, but when you start messing with peoples lives because of ego or a sport or a game then it becomes wrong.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]...
I expected some folks not to understand or agree, but when you start messing with peoples lives because of ego or a sport or a game then it becomes wrong.[/QUOTE]Tansak KTV,

I am quite surprised that you obviously find this story unusual. I hear many of those stories.

The latest one (from yesterday):

I was offered a car. Toyota Camry (does that thing exist? I am not sure). Bought 1 year ago for 1,600,000.

Owner of the car is a Thai woman who works in our bar since some days. Her boyfriend (Farang) did not like her old small car any more. She stayed with this boyfriend for years. She sold the old car for THB 470,000 and bought the new one (taking a bank credit for the rest amount). She had the new car for about 5 months when he dumped her. He left her without taking care of anything...

Now she is back in the bar. She had no choice.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]I am quite surprised that you obviously find this story unusual. I hear many of those stories.[/QUOTE]

Not unusual, just wrong. I get tired of mongers saying how bad the girls are all the time when in fact many of the punters are just as bad.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Not unusual, just wrong. I get tired of mongers saying how bad the girls are all the time when in fact many of the punters are just as bad.[/QUOTE]Tansak KTV,

It's a downwards spiral. New mongers get ripped off from experienced bar girls. Bar girls new in the business experience the "instability" of farangs in relationships and trust farang less and less.

I wrote many times about that. It's all about trust ... :) - and being trustworthy. And - for us farang - to take over responsibility, even if a relationship does not work out.

There are many arseholes out there. Definitely!


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]I wrote many times about that. It's all about trust ... :) - and being trustworthy. And - for us farang - to take over responsibility, even if a relationship does not work out.

There are many arseholes out there. Definitely![/QUOTE]

Yup, I got that one for sure, responsibility even when you get shafted... or trying to work out differences after problems... Sucks...

And yup there sure are arseholes out there, myself included :D Just ask 1Ball