Monterrey

I see we are back to square one:

""New Girl's" performance leaves doubt in my mind about the sincerity of her "romantic" interest."

None of the girls ARE sincere.
They will never ever tell you what really crosses their mind on the first privado dance or salida. They will only be truthfull after a certain period of time and even then one has to distance himself from what ever they tell you.
Most important thing is that they should worry about YOUR sincerity, not the other way around.
You impose yourself on the girls, you don't let them stablish their rules at all, cause if you do, you can consider yourself on the losing side.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I will write a report on last night's salida with her...the result of that work over the last several months has resulted in an extraordinary GFE session with this girl last night, a girl that met almost all the criteria....certainly she met several of the most important ones. But, even her performance fell just slightly short of Angel Girl. But, conversely, "New Girl's" performance leaves doubt in my mind about the sincerity of her "romantic" interest. So, I have more work to do on her, or perhaps, just as I mis-interpreted her reactions to me before, I iam also mis-intepreting a connection that actually does exist. Only time will tell, and as Porker alluded to, I have learned well from the master at pinching my pennies. I will incrementally begin testing the limits of my "New Girl's" romantic interest through a Walmart style discount program, not immediately of course, but perhaps over time.[/QUOTE]

USB, if your GFE % is going down so much, maybe you've learned lessons about pinching pennies too well. If you're looking for convincing GFE, I'd wager that your results are going to be a LOT better if you buy LOTS of drinks and spend LOTS of time with a girl before you take her out. Spending time interviewing in the privados is a good way to test a girl's general attitude and playfulness, but if you want any illusion of romance, buying LOTS of drinks would almost surely work better. If you put the time and money into this at 4-5 bars a night, you will likely have to beat the girls off with a stick. Of course this takes money and energy... Cheap and lazy is not gonna produce results!

No...that is not how it worked. But, many of you "Bastards" have given me ideas that seem to have worked quite well. So for that, Muchisimas (sp)Gracias. I consider myself a full fledged "bastard" of the MillJust description.......uhmmmm, no pun intended MJ.

First, for my new GFE girl, I have ONLY bought her three drinks in my entire life, one about (4) months ago, one about (3) months ago....and then....

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But, what I did do, was give her home-made, absolutely delicious (if I do say so for myself) galletas on previous trips, and I also supplied her with a sugar high, chocolates, Skittles, jelly beans (the good shit), etc...Frankly, I have visited Pasarelas several times where she was already occupied and couldn't sit with me, but she still stopped by for a galleta or two.

Now look, I realize the cookies and the dulces are not going to clinch it. I know it was the (8) drinks that I bought Cindy #1 on Sunday night that made the light bulb go off. And which, by the way, I enjoyed immensely. It cost me about 880 pesos, but I spent probably two hours there, and I had a blast with Cindy #1, and the other girls that have a tendency to flock around her. She is a catalyst for a good time, crazy good time.

I had a blast with Cindy #1. But, more importantly, I demonstrated that I am a player to my new GFE girl. Furthermore, she also witnessed Cindy #1 moving in on me. I can't tell you the looks I got from this girl as she sat across the way from me, just about 15 feet away, chained to some Mexican dude that kept buying her drinks and boring the shit out of her. I mentioned it to her last night, that she looked a little bored over there with that dude all night, and she just put her head on my shoulder and started "ZZZZZZZZZ...."

More to come later....But, I am still looking for my Angel Girl....Nothing has changed. I still long for the comforts of my Angel Girl GFE. If she doesn't become available I HAVE OTHER OPTIONS...but, I would like to see her.

[QUOTE=Porker]USB, if your GFE % is going down so much, maybe you've learned lessons about pinching pennies too well. If you're looking for convincing GFE, I'd wager that your results are going to be a LOT better if you buy LOTS of drinks and spend LOTS of time with a girl before you take her out. Spending time interviewing in the privados is a good way to test a girl's general attitude and playfulness, but if you want any illusion of romance, buying LOTS of drinks would almost surely work better. If you put the time and money into this at 4-5 bars a night, you will likely have to beat the girls off with a stick. Of course this takes money and energy... Cheap and lazy is not gonna produce results![/QUOTE]

I found this new girl over at Pasarelas, and she is really great. She is really HOT, and really quite the GFE girl. She will spend whatever time with me that I want, so she told me, and I believe she would do it for a fraction of what it usualy costs if I pay the salida, 750 pesos, plus her fee, which would normally be around 1000 pesos.

We hit it off so well the first night, that I bar fined her away from Pasarelas last night again around 2am. She stayed with me until 6am, and it cost me 600 pesos, plus the two jarras I bought for her, and the 750 pesos bar fine. I think things are progressing quite nicely with her, and she is GFE #2 next to my Angel Girl, who walks away easily with the number one position every time, and seems to show no signs of fading.

As Porker suggested, I had actually determined prior to this trip that I had learned his lessons far too well with respect to limiting expenditures on girls in MTY. The key is absolutely directly linked to them perceiving us as capable of spending respectable sums of money on them. Certainly, it is almost a prequisite to at least establishing your appeal within the bars. Either that, or spending less money, but consistently more often, just as the locals are capable of doing, MillJust and Carlos. They don't spend as much in one sitting, but they are able to string out their expenditures so the girls view them as regular pay checks.

But, in all honesty, with New GFE girl, I had only bought her three drinks prior to bar fining her and establishing her as a GFE girl. To a certain extent, that strategy worked well as a catalyst in at least establishing her sincerity with respect to wanting to be with me, which as MJ alluded to before, is always the basis from which I try to establish an assessment of potential GFE quality and potential sincerity level.

One thing that seems to work well all across the world is for the girl to choose you. I have tried to refrain from spending too much money on them initially so as to solicit some degree of preferential selection on their parts. It is always better if they choose you versus the other way around. That, of course, does not necessarily apply if you have the time on the ground like MJ or Carlos, and can use time and incremental familiarity to achieve an interest level based on your charming them over time. But, for most of us visiting Monterrey, it's going to be virtually impossible to take that kind of time to cultivate the crop.

So, you may have to be prepared to throw some money around, even more than I do, in order to make the impression right away, and to solicit a clammering for you from the moment you sit down in the club. I believe that occassional, or one-time, visitors will need to probably spend about 25% more than I do, which is probably around $100 night, which does NOT include the main event, just on establishing your position as a player, and probably as much as 50%-65% more than what Carlos and MillJust probably have to spend for similiarly satisfying results over the course of spending each week in the clubs and spending less incrementally.

But getting back to my Angel Girl. I was able to see her earlier the same day Thursday. She was at work at Infinito around 7:30pm, I paid a double bar fine, 750 pesos, and took her out of the bar for the rest of the night. There was no money discussed, but I told her I would make it up to her in any money she lost by leaving work. That would amount to about 50 pesos, if that much, because it was very slow in the clubs last night because it was raining again.

Get this, when I was in Pasarelas last night, there were no less than 32 girls on the board in attendence. I had given the DJ a Lynard Skynard CD, and asked him to scan the songs into the que. I gave him 40 pesos to mix MY MUSIC into the normal mix. When I was in there, the DJ showed me how many girls had checked in to work. There was 32 on the board.

There must have been about 5-7 girls to every patron in the bar. Many of the girls were doubling up on clients. I dismissed one immediately, a girl that I had bar fined eariler in the week, a girl that I liked, but decided that she was not in the rotation as strongly as some of the others.

I had three stroking me at my table at one time, and eventually dismissed two of them, Cindy #1 and 1st attempt new girl from Monday night. I dismissed them so the cost didn't go absolutely through the roof, choosing to patronize my new GFE girl with two jarras at the tune of 250 pesos each instead of spreading around the wealth. I am finding that you're more effective demonstrating you have the money, spending it on your best choice of girl so all can see our potential, and occassionally patronizing the alternates when your best girl is not around.

Anyway, back to my Angel Girl again, she stayed with me from 8pm to 11pm, and I actually just decided to give her 1000 pesos, probably 50 pesos more than she would have earned staying at work, even though the money was not discussed, nor is it required. Like I said, I always take care of her. I did it just to help her out, and also, in the event her attentions are not "sincere," I routinely choose to do it as part of my own due diligence just to clinch the deal in lieu of commonality of likely insincerity in these kinds of circumstances. So, when she sees me, even though she does NOT charge me anything, I usually take care of her, especially if she's leaving work to be with me, in circumstances where she would possibly lose money doing so. I could test her sincerity as Porker suggested, but why? I prefer to perpetuate the "sincerity" or the "myth." Paying her clinches it either way.

It may appear from my former comments in days past, and as has been suggested by Porker recently, that I am being cheap with my Angel Girl. I have to admit that I was being cheap in the clubs, but not with my Angel Girl. That is simply not the case. There have, of course, been occassions when she costs me nothing. But, I am not naive, and I do not tempt fate were pay for play is concerned. Fact is, I have paid a lot more for girls that do not hold a candle to the "believability" and superior perforance level of my Angel Girl. So, any money I do spend on her is a bargain by any measure of cost versus benefit analysis. I take good care of my Angel Girl, but it is strictly at my discretion. No discussion of money takes place unless she is reluctant to leave work because she will lose money by possibly being with me while simulataneously losing money from being absent from her job.

I have to say, Angel Girl is by far the closest thing to a real swooning girlfriend that I have ever found. Turns out that she was not available to me because she had to go to San Luis Potosi, her home town, where she has to go routinely, sometimes at a moment's notice, to take care of things for her sick mother. This "sick mother" thing is not a "line" but has been independently confirmed through mis spias....

So, she took a bus ride down there, 12 hours down on Monday, and came immediately back (12 hours on the bus) after taking care of things in San Luis, Potosi, as quickly as possible, so she could at least see me for a few days before I left. I am convinced of her sincerity in making that effort.

Here...lets open a can of worms with this following paragraph...

Some will call me a fool. Oh well, if I am a fool emotionally, that is all I have to lose, because I do NOT risk my legitimate life as a point of personal policy by seeing these girls, and/or extending to them levels of trust that would jeapardize my legitimate life back in the States, not even with respect to my Angel Girl, who I believe IS emotionally sincere. Honestly, if you do not jeapardize the important things in your legitimate life while engaging in these activities, I fail to really see the downside of giving them the benefit of the doubt with respect to maintaining the illusion of sincerity, if in fact the sincerity is 100% of the time always an illusion, which I am NOT convinced is always the case just because they are working girls.

If you don't make "trust" committments to them, and you maintain the illusion, if it is an illusion for GFE sake, which I am not always convinced it is always, unequivically, without exception, always a con game, then what has one got to lose in playing along with the emotional presentation that is so intregal a part of the GFE quality of performance.

Anyway, Angel Girl told me she was sorry, and that she was afraid I would be angry with her, that I would think she did not care, or that I would believe she was disingenuous with respect to her feelings for me. But, she said she just couldn't help it. Her responsibilities took her out of Monterrey unexpectedly, and she told me she wished she could be here for me all week...She said, with all "sincerity" in her deameanor, that she couldn't help it. I solcicited none of her comments by asking her where she was, etc...She brought it all up, like it had weighed on her mind, something that she felt needed clarification.

So, she is still on top of the heap as far as I'm concerned. Even as good as my new GFE girl is over a Pasarelas, my Angel Girl is still better GFE. It is surprising because I am simultaneously impressed with my new GFE girl, and for a girl to surpass her, frankly, takes a hell of a lot of "sincerity" in the moment. Angel Girl surpassed any girl I have ever known with respect to her reactions to me, even with respect to legitimate relationships I have had in my life.

I'm pretty happy with the way everything is turning out. Today, I am supposed to see Angel Girl, bar fine her from work around 8pm, pay the double salida, take her out of Infinito earlier than usual so we can go to dinner. She is planning to spend all night with me, and she will probably leave in the morning around 7am. That's the plan anyway. It doesn't seem like the plan is anything I or she can rely on, so I have my backup plan. No problem, I am committed to having fun and making ME happy.

I've been spending a lot of money this week buying drinks, paying salidas, sometimes even paying for double salidas, in order to bar fine them away for longer periods of time, etc...and I am doing it to establish myself as a player, primarily in Pasarelas. I plan to scale back my expenditures once I have several more of them hooked, which I seem to be doing with incredible rapidness over at Pasarelas.

For all you guys that are trying to judge your budgets for Monterrey, and contemplating what it costs for you to have a week's worth of satisfying fun here, consider this...I suspect that in the final analysis, I will have spent probably about 14000 pesos this week, just on entertainment, 6 nights. That does not factor in hotels costs and airfare, which I fully anticipate will be approximately $850US. That's a total of approximately $2,250 to come to MTY for fun. Now, compared to the US, which will cost you at least $200US per hour, and for SIGNIFICANTLY less quality, and extremely rare GFE, MTY is a comparative bargain.

You just have to have the cash flow in reserve to make it all happen, and it's especially a little scary to contemplate that if you choose to do this as routinely as I do, even if you reduce your expenditures to a more reasonable 10000 pesos for pay for play, actual entertainment, plus salidas over five days, then it's still a huge price to pay for routinely visiting this venue like I do. I have resolved myself to over charging my customers to pay for it all :-) hahaha...NOT!

Now, consider also that I have spent a lot of time in this venue over five years. I realize that this trip, I am throwing money around like a drunken sailor just because I am needing to re-vitalize my harem. That costs more money than what I might routinely have to spend if I had myself already well established in Pasarelas, or any of the other fertile bars for that matter, Harem, Casino, Bahamas, TVO, Extasis, etc... Infinito is a given. I am already established there, and it does not require these kinds of expenditures to impress the girls. But, venturing outside the Infinito, Matehuala, El Cielo group, you will spend probably at least 25% more than you would have to in those lower end bars.

Fact is, with the cookie schtick and because we were in there with my Cindy #1 raising hell together, with Mr. R (the newbie to MTY), me, and Quincy, the new Gringo local, I had no less than 7-8 girls who came to me at Pasarelas last night in very familiar ways, trying to worm their individual selves into some kind of relationship with me. Interestingly enough, Cindy #1 is starting to proposition me for salidas now, something she did not feel was necessary before.

It is a direct result of my establishing myself this week as a player within Pasarelas. It would not have been necessary had I only wanted to start something up with my New GFE girl because I have worked on her over the course of 4-5 months, with small numbers of drinks, I think around three drinks over 4-5 months.

But, now, after having thrown around some money in Pasarelas, maybe as much as $500 over the course of this week alone, I have a huge plethera of options in there should my New GFE girl not be available. Funny thing is, because she knows she has so much competiton now from her co-workers, all easily available to me in her absence, she has taken it upon herself to type in my phone number in her cell, and reciprically enter her cell number in my phone, so that if she is not at work, I can effortlessley call her directly. She would prefer to make my selection of her so easy as to make it easier than my even having to walk into Pasarelas, especially if she isn't working that night. She suggested that we meet outside so it does not cost me as much in the future. I am convinced I can get her to come to me for 500 pesos for four hours...maybe even more hours for nothing. But, as Porker has suggested, I'm not sure the merits of cheap will pay off sufficiently to justify the savings by stiffing them.

I have to admit...As Porker likes to sometimes say, "life is beddy beddy guuud to me." :-)))))))))))))

I thought your description of your preferred kind of chica was enlightening because it revealed that we are perhaps looking for chicas that are of a completely different variety.

MJ says:

"I still like loud Hip-Hop music, club-hopping all night and racing the car down empty streets at 5am while getting a BJ from a club girl. I like the loud lifestyle that many of these chicas are addicted to. Maybe 15 years from now, I won't. I will lose one of the aspects that I share in common with the chicas.

You're correct in your assumptions, I think you could be 15 years younger than me, and based on your descriptions of what you like in those chicas you seek, I can categorically say that we are miles apart in our preferences.

Don't misunderstand, I don't mean to sound like I am criticizing anyone's particular preferences, but those attributes that you describe are totally different than what I look for, and prefer. For my part, the chicas I look for do not subscribe the things that you describe as your typical kind of chica.

MJ Says:

"Then, I'll only have the money to keep them with me; Thus, severly limiting the quality of GFE I would be able to get from these 20-something chicas."

Money is certainly a component of genuine GFE, but the chicas I select, with the ones that attain GFE status, money is not the ONLY motivator for satisfactory performance, at least not from my GFE girls. I spend the same amount of money for GFE sessions as I do for mediocre and bad sessions. I am not saying that if the money were not there I would easily bed them all anyway. I am not that naive. But, there is a percentage of them that were the money to run lean or be unpredictable, they would still be accessible. But, there again, we are talking about a huge difference in the varying types of working girls, and there is a huge difference among them. I just can't categorize all of them as being the same attitudinally, psychologically, etc...

I also think that you may look for younger chicas, whereas I am usually more content with chicas that are at least 24-27 years old. Don't misunderstand, I love to grope the 18-20 year olds in the privados and play games with them, but there is not a one of them that has ever achieved a GFE position, least not one in Mexico...plenty are available in that age range in other countries, Asia, Indonesia, Colombia, etc....

There is a huge difference in maturity level compared to the 18-20 year old Mexican hottie, and there is also a huge psychological adjustment that most of the 24-27 year old girls have already made in their minds with respect to their choice of profession. Frankly, I believe that the girl's attitudes swing "hard" for a while, especially if the girl is HOT, and a little bit independent due to her being a young pro, versus a pro that has taken a few licks and had the time to adjust psychologically to the effects of their profession, and possibly even feeling that they are getting older, and have less of an edge as they once did. I also think that whether girls are mothers has a huge effect on whether they have been softened up by motherhood. They may not be as tight, but generally, they seem a lot more affectionate once they have had a baby and left their immaturity behind.

Maybe that is where we have somewhat of a departure with respect to how we judge these chicas, and their relative sincerity levels, which you doubt 100%, where I actually believe some of them can be relatively sincere, obviously not a full 20%, which is my GFE percentage, but maybe half of the 20%, with varying degrees of sincerity as the benchmark. That doesn't mean I advocate trusting them as you would trust a "good girl," or assuming they are good prospects for a legitimate lifestyle, but it does mean that, with some, I trust their sincerity of affectionate emotion with respect to GFE.

But, again, I think it has more to do with the types of girls we might be attracted to. One thing that you are so right about though...Most of the girls change, especially between the ages of 18-23 years old. And that, for me, is the thing that makes your statement that they never be trusted one of profound validity. That is, they should never be trusted with anything linked to your legitimate life. In addition, they should not be anticipated, or trusted to maintain any kind of consistent behavior toward us unless they have matured in age. Of course, there are always exceptions. I am writing in generalities here. Even if I select the sweetest of the sweet, if they are under 23 years old, childless, etc... I can almost regularly expect them to change considerably in the way they relate to me, most over a very short period of time, sometimes experiencing swings from sweet to hard, and back to semi-sweet, to bitter, to sweet again. But, usually, by the time they're sweet again, they're at least 24 years old, usually older.

Sometimes, as WastedG has referred to with respect to the demeanor of his "X" girl, even the toughest of the lot of twenty year olds has a soft spot for those of us that treat them well and right, like they are valuable human beings, something they are not routinely used to, certain not so within the confines of their professions, and probably not even within their everyday legitimate lives. So, IMHO, our own treatment of our girls, especially over time, demonstrating to them how much they do mean to us as human beings, perhaps even cautiously claiming them as friends, and treating them accordingly, with sincerity ourselves, defines whether they are sincere in their emotional affections for us or not, individually.

[QUOTE=Mill Just]Another thing that may influence whether one gets GFE or not is the age and disposition of the monger. A younger guy just has a lot more in common with the chicas and that allows a certain area of compatibilty to develop outside of the regular business relationship.

I'm no teenager by any means, but I would assume that I'm younger than a lot of guys who post here. I still like loud Hip-Hop music, club-hopping all night and racing the car down empty streets at 5am while getting a BJ from a club girl. I like the loud lifestyle that many of these chicas are addicted to. Maybe 15 years from now, I won't. I will lose one of the aspects that I share in common with the chicas. Then, I'll only have the money to keep them with me; Thus, severly limiting the quality of GFE I would be able to get from these 20-something chicas. By the time I get old, I'll just have money, a few good stories to tell them....and, of course, I big, giant weenie :) .

Sorry for the lack of focus in this post. I was just noticing my first gray hairs this afternoon and I realized that I'll be too old for these girls in the not-too-distant future.

And I do agree that my living in Mexico is a big advantage for me. But, with all the visits to Monterrey, you could also be classified as a local. And I would hazard to guess that in an average year, you spend more time in the clubs of Monterrey than I do in the clubs in Morelia.

But If I overstepped my bounds, sorry. If you're happy with your current situation, then nothing needs to be changed. Just keep on having fun...

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MJ,

I've been contemplating your last post, and the details of your comments. I find them valid in many ways, but I also have other, well, not disagreements necessarily, but I feel the need to expand on what you had to say.

But, right now, I have been asked via PM to update the saga of my "Angel Girl," and I have some of that written already so I will post it now, and I will come back to commenting on your post sometime this week when my boredom in the waste land motivates me to comment further. I am back home now, so I will contemplate your comments a little further and get back to you.

So here goes...Please treat me gently...MJ is right in this instance. My feelings for this girl are really intense now.

Ok, here is the update. You all know of my recent frustrations with my Angel Girl and her inavailability to me. I had been construing her inavailability as just being that of insincerity and opportunism, the kind that's typical of most bar girls, and that she was possibly losing interest in me, just playing me along.

Intellectually I have them all pegged, but emotionally, some of them are quite special. This one in particular is outstanding, and my affections for her transcend my desire for GFE. MJ is right, I am in love with a bar girl. But, I am also protective of my "legitimate" life. Intellectually, I am disciplined enough to separate the two, and to know how to maintain the sanctity of my legitimate life while having a HOT mistress on the side. It doesn't mean that I love my Angel Girl any less, but I have responsibilities at home that require my discipline. Life is full of diametrically opposing responsibilities. You just have to be able to juggle them responsibly.

So, that having been said, hopefully my comments here will not seem too naive and foolish. I know how they must sound, but please give me the benefit of the doubt.

After finally being able to see Angel Girl a couple of times this week, I am convinced of her sincerity, and, provided her displays of sincerity, with their unbelievable intensity, continue, then that's all the matters. It is GFE as close to real as anything you will ever experience. It is actually beyond GFE. That is why I don't crave other girls if she is available to me. I would opt to take her each and every day, and not think even once of her competitors were she with me.

I am reluctant to post her excuses to me because I know where this is going to go. I know you guys and your cynical points of view.

She was not in the bar the first part of this week because...

Angel Girl has a sick madre living in San Luis Potosi. She has to work in the biz, partially because of her madres health problems, to buy expensive drugs for her condition, which is some kind of blood disease I believe.

Many of you will understandably say that she is simply giving me the "sick madre" story, like so many girls certainly do to make excuses. But, I think her excuses to me are honest. I have seen her checking the internet on my laptop, investigating the details of her mother's condition.

One time several months ago, she even asked Carlos if I could get her mother's meds from the US because she was having problems getting the meds in Mexico. I think her mother has many other complications that comprimise her health on a regular basis, most of which are linked to the blood disease.

Anyway, her mother is part of the reason she works in the bar. The other is her son, and her desire to make a good life for him. She is saving to buy a house, and start a business, something separate from the clubs, and I believe she is getting closer to doing it, supposedly only 2-3 months away from buying a house closer in to El Centro MTY.

She had told me that her dream is to quite the bar. She is not one of these girls that MillJust refers to, a girl that is addicted to the "life." I have found that there are two kinds of girls in that biz, the ones that MillJust refers to, and the ones that have to work in that biz to get anywhere in their lives. It is their ONLY option being females in Mexico, IF they want to have anything. Whom among us would be satisfied earning $2 an hour and literally eaking out (sp) an existence as single mothers in Mexico. Not me...I know my strength of character would be far worse than a typical bar girl were I in their similar circumstances, poor, no education, etc...

Look, if I was a hottie, I would certainly use every asset I have to make things happen for me, and most of these girls are NO WORSE than I personally would be. That is where MJ and I part ways with respect to how we interpret these girls and the their motivations. Certainly, there are some addicted to the life. But, there are far more of them that are chained to the life due to their circumstances. Circumstances are what keeps them working the bars, and not a craving for such an existence.

Angel Girl presently lives in Villa Garcia, 1-1/2 to 2 hours from MTY, close to the foot of the mountain ranges, and she must commute that far everytime she comes to work, or to see me. So, it has become very frustrating for me because her inavailability always makes me doubt her sincerity.

This same inavailability occurred this last trip...for example, this last time when she was so unavailable, I became angry and hurt. Well, more disappointed than angry, but definitely hurt. I knew something was up because she did not show up to work for three days either, so I figured there was some kind of BS that she was also probably having to deal with. The source of my frustrations are her damned circumstances, and not necessarily are they related to her purposely avoiding me.

In that respect, MJ's comments about types of girls is valid. I may think her GFE is outstanding, but he is right that when he says that sometimes when they are mothers, or have significant other family responsibilities, the logistics of coordinating time with them is off the charts, especially if you want to see them for extended periods of time outside the bar.

So, when we finally did get together, she told me she had an emergency in San Luis Potosi, and that she had to take the bus immediately to San Luis, 12 hours down there, take care of some issues with her mother, and get right back on the bus, 12 hours back to MTY, telling me that she felt that she had to get back asap to see me too.

So, when she got back in town, I finally found her at El Infi that night. I had not called her cell phone because I was kind of aggravated and decided that she was possibly not worth the aggravation.

I was just kidding myself. You can't just dump an addiction such as my Angel Girl. One of the first things she asked me when we saw each other was if I had seen another girl...ain't that cute. She knew her absence would make me angry, and that I might just decide to dump her for another girl.

Of course, being the chivalrous gentleman I am, I lied. But, frankly, had I known her circumstances, I would have been totally faithful to her, waiting for her to come back. But, because of the sage advice of so many hard core mongers, and because I myself subscribe to that advice with respect to accepted mongering strategy, I felt compelled to cultivate more options.

But, the truth be known, Angel Girl exceeds GFE...if that's even possible, and had I known she was actually worried that I would find another girl, I would have just waited for her to return. Oh well, no importa...because, frankly, even the best GFE girl doesn't even come close to Angel Girl. She is well worth the wait.

That night, I paid a double bar fine to take her out of her club from about 8pm to when her shift ended. She stayed with me that amount of time, and returned home to her son that night around 11:30pm. Remember, after having worked all night, she had to get back on that bus, back to her home, 1-1/2 to 2 hours away from MTY, this after having made two long bus rides already. Frankly, the poor girl was exhausted, and she stayed with me anyway, making the level of effort that could not be anything but sincere.

I gave her 1000 pesos, and it was simply to make up for the revenue she lost by going with me instead of staying at work. I calculated that she probalby would have made around 280 pesos if she had stayed at work, and if she was also able to complete the number of privados that make up her quota of 30 dances in 8 hours. Plus, I considered that if she had stayed at work she may also have earned salary as well if she had made quota, so I figured that because she had been gone so long from work tending to her mother, and because she was losing money by going with me, I would make sure she was well taken care of.

We have had some serious conversations, and this time she, just out of the blue, asked me if I wanted her to quit the biz, and I believe she would consider it for my sake, but I just told her that she can never make the kind of money she will need to get ahead in life as a single mother by taking a regular job. It is her only shot at the brass ring. I told her I hated seeing her in that job, but life is full of stuff you don't want to do to get ahead. If by doing that job she is able to make good money and get ahead, I can not in good conscience compel her to quit for my sake.

When she left that night, we were planning for me to bar fine her the next night around 8pm, so we could still go over to Bennigan's for dinner, and she was planning to stay todo la noche until around 11am the next day. But, things did not work out...her dedication to responsibility as a daughter made my final day with her in Monterrey bitter sweet. More to come later...

USB, glad you reaped the rewards of not being a CHEAP ass, like ME! Did I read things correctly, though, are jarras only p250 at Pasarelas? It has been a long time since I bought 1, but even several years back, at Extasis and Good Music (LOL! re: that name!), they were already p350.

Re:"Angel" girl, would ANY of your thoughts about her (and her BULLSHIT !!!) change if you KNEW that she had a leech local boyfriend? Funny how that little curveball changes perspectives...

MJ and Carlos: You guys can congratulate each other all you want about how ell you understand the local working girls, but IMO, each of you have flawed M.O.'s: You both think hookers are beneath you, and give them 0 respect. While I will freely admit that most are exactly as you peg them, there certainly are plenty that don't deserve your scorn.

I'm gonna run for cover while I say this .... out of all of you guys, I think the one who understands the girls the best is .... drum roll ..... simple little ... me.

haha .... but seriously, putting way too much thoughts into any of this will give you, me, them, the neighbors .... nothing but a headache. The best attitude I found so far has been to hang out, have fun, enjoy yourself and if at the end of the night you get to pop one or 2 or even 4 (wink) then you move on and do what comes naturally the next day.

Why complicate the hell out of it all? Enjoy yourself and let the chips fall where they may.

Then again, that's just my opinion.

Wasted



[QUOTE=Porker]
Re:"Angel" girl, would ANY of your thoughts about her (and her BULLSHIT !!!) change if you KNEW that she had a leech local boyfriend? Funny how that little curveball changes perspectives...

MJ and Carlos: You guys can congratulate each other all you want about how ell you understand the local working girls, but IMO, each of you have flawed M.O.'s: You both think hookers are beneath you, and give them 0 respect. While I will freely admit that most are exactly as you peg them, there certainly are plenty that don't deserve your scorn.[/QUOTE]

Hey Porker,

Yes, the jarras at Pasarelas are 250 pesos. They do have a lot of ice in the pitcher, but the pitchers are about the same size as the ones over at TVO. I gaged the number of drinks that girls seems to get out of a jarra and it's about (3) drinks. So, at the 110 pesos that's regularly charged for a copa, if you do the math, and you're willing to buy at least two drinks, the jarras are a bargain. I bought my new GFE girl two jarras one night, and she got about three drinks out of each jarra, and that's with her filling the glass to the brim each time.

Reference your comments about Angel Girl. I take a lot of heat from mis amigos with respect to my opinions of the girls, and especially of my distinction with respect to Angel Girl and her seemingly legitimate affection for me.

It is refreshing to see that Porker, probably universally recognized as the one of the most skeptical of all mongers, is perhaps enlightened sufficiently to realize that the girls are still human beings, and that they have the capacity to love, if not with an enduring commitment, perhaps at least in the moment.

That is what I get from Angel Girl. For that, I am extremely appreciative. All I know is, I sense her sincerity when I am there with her in the room. Isn't that what I should be looking for.

Things said between two people under those circumstances may not really stand the light of day. But, the girl is not stupid. She realizes that I offer her nothing in the long term. It would not surprise me to learn that she has a real boyfriend or husband. But, if she does, she is not thinking about him when she is making love to me in the hotel.

The bottom line of the entire discussion is that Angel Girl makes love to me, and she is sincere in the moment, as sincere as any girl I have ever been with, over a thousand in all. She has done so now for over 8 months with complete and total consistency, not once waivering in her sincere delivery of love-making.

So, to me, that's worth something. I know what making love feels like, and what straight sex feels like, what good GFE feels like, and what bad sessions feel like. There is a distinction between each of these, and I can uncategorically state that Angel Girl makes love to me, when all the rest are only going through the motions. So, I fail to see why my praising her treatment of me, and my developing a love for such a girl would be so surprising. She is like the needle in the haystack in Mexico. She is like a breath of fresh air in an otherwise stale room, meaning that in Mexico, she is totally and completely unique, far superior to any and all. To make love to her, or others exactly like her, is my goal for coming to Monterrey, and my goal mongering in general.

I pay the same amount of money for good to mediocre sessions in Monterrey as I do for my Angel Girl. Angel girl delivers totally believable love-making, and not just sex, and she does so at less than the same cost to acquire good to mediocre sessions.

I will say it again...It's a NO BRAINER. I love her for that, and for that there is no substitute right now that I know of in Monterrey. However, my new GFE girl has the same possible potential as Angel Girl. But, in all fairness to Angel Girl, new GFE girl has only known me "intimately" for two sessions. I expect things to progress similarily with new GFE girl, and you will all be telling me I am nuts when I have two of them I "love" seeing.

And, more importantly, I must also point out that if Angel Girl fades, I have a backup established that has the potential to be just as good. There is even another girl in the same relative category working at Pasarelas that I sense has a lot of potential, but I have only bar fined her once. So, count two at Pasarelas, and my Angel Girl, three acceptable options. And, I continue to look for more. But, they MUST live up to my criteria!!!

They must be able to perform to my standards, not just with acceptable sessions, but they must be able to make love to me with 100% believability. Unrealistic? So be it...that is what it will have to be in order for me to continue mongering in Mexico.

These three girls are all really good GFE girls, where I can expect a far superior, "Asia Style" committment in the moment.

I guess I just can't expect those who have not been to some of these other worldwide venues, and experienced the level of intensity that is possible, to understand the distinction. Because, they have only experienced Mexico.

But, I will say it again...Mexico does not compare...but, unless you experience otherwise directly yourself, you would not know what you've been missing, and good to mediocre sessions will seem acceptable to you. But, if you have never tasted a "love-making" hooker, as I have, you don't really know what you're missing do you?

If you other guys have girls making love to you, and you can feel their emotion in your core, then you know what I mean. But, frankly, I can count on one hand the number of girls in five years that have approached that distinction in Mexico, Angel Girl, Angry Girl, Cindy #1, and Abigail from El Cielo, and that's it, four out of literally hundreds.

If I was falling in love with all of them, why are there only four out of hundreds over five years in Monterrey that achieve such a distinction. That alone should demonstrate that my assessments are not those of an amateur, but legitimate assessments of sessions that contain more of the "real thing" than anyone is prepared to seemingly accept.

When I find the FANTASTIC FOUR, all found incrementally over time, is it any wonder that I am falling in love with them when I finally do stumble across them. It is like a dying man in the desert finding an oasis.

[QUOTE=Porker]USB, glad you reaped the rewards of not being a CHEAP ass, like ME! Did I read things correctly, though, are jarras only p250 at Pasarelas? It has been a long time since I bought 1, but even several years back, at Extasis and Good Music (LOL! re: that name!), they were already p350.

Re:"Angel" girl, would ANY of your thoughts about her (and her BULLSHIT !!!) change if you KNEW that she had a leech local boyfriend? Funny how that little curveball changes perspectives...

MJ and Carlos: You guys can congratulate each other all you want about how ell you understand the local working girls, but IMO, each of you have flawed M.O.'s: You both think hookers are beneath you, and give them 0 respect. While I will freely admit that most are exactly as you peg them, there certainly are plenty that don't deserve your scorn.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

You are right...She is simply a hooker, and I am giving her too much credit. But, here is my position. It is not that she withholds anything from me when I am with her. I am perfectly satisfied when I am with her...more than satisfied.

It is more that she is giving me excuses, and wasting my time when I am there by not making herself available, etc...She is doing her job when she is with me, working hard to convince me of her sincere "devotion," but she doesn't care about spending the time with me...So, you are right.

You have all told me to send her messages when I am there to bring her into line. She doesn't care about the messages I have already sent her with respect to jerking me around. So, I am going to send her the ultimate message...

I won't be back!!! That should make it real clear. WastedG can tell her when he comes back in July, and Angry Girl too, not that either of them will care. She should feel relieved that she is rid of me. She can clear her docket for all the rest.

And that IS the issue. She makes me feel that she does care, but doesn't. There is GFE, and then there is beyond GFE. She has stepped over the line. My feelings for her are genuine, but she is just bullshitting me, apparently for no reason other than to toy with my heart. She toys with me because she isn't choosing to show up, always giving me excuses, so there is no reason for her to continue the act...for what?

Were I traveling to another venue, and patronizing a girl with as much sincerity as those two, Angry and Angel Girls respectively over time, it would be a major issue if I decided not to come back. I suspect it will not matter one centilla to either of them if they never see me again.

That is really a shame when I feel so close to them, but more importantly, it is really shitty service if considering it strictly within the context of mongering on a worldwide scale. Girls in any other venue would be totally upset at the prospect of such a kind and repeat benefactor deciding to drop them and never return. I doubt it will cause either of those two one moment's despair. That is a commentary on the Mexico experience.

If she simply performed as she does without all the sincerity in her way, just as my new GFE girl from Pasarelas has, then I would not be in a funk over her. I would simply return and realize that she is there for money like all the rest. But, she has brought the relationship further by being the way she is with me, and it is all simply an act apparently designed to torture me, or to somehow inflate her own ego. Because, literally, if she is never able to see me, why perpetuate the BS act, verdad?

Oh well, I guess she is enjoying the prospect of having me on a leash, feeling wanted, whatever. I will simply not return, and the leash will be of NO consequence for sure then.

Pasarelas girl is just as good as Angel Girl, but she does not pull on my heart strings like Angel Girl. Angel Girl makes commitments to be here or there for me, tells me so many things that make me fall in "love" with her, and then she disappoints me by not showing up. If she filled me full of bullshit affection, and showed up as promised, then it wouldn't be a problem. That is what I am there for. But to get filled full of bullshit affection, and to have her not show up is cruel of her...if in fact, hers are all BS excuses, right?

I would return month after month and patronize her without any expectations. I have no intention of legitimizing anything with her. But, she works so hard to convince me of her sincerity, and then doesn't show up, or doesn't care that I am coming to see her...I don't understand her motivations for toying with me.

But, she has disappointed me too many times, and you guys have convinced me that she completely full of shit, and that I am giving her too much credibility, that I am taking the word of a hooker, and that she is totally disingenuous in everything she says. So, I am through.

If in fact, all the excuses are just that, and all of her displays of affection to me are bullshit, then fine...I would rather not be coming down there and dealing with the heartache she gives me. I don't like dealing with it there when she stands me up, and I don't like dealing with it after I get back, missing a girl that doesn't give a shit whether I return or not, my having to take two frickin' weeks getting over her GFE everytime I return home. You guys have me convinced me she is not worth returning to.

But, in the same breath, neither are the others worth it. If I seek GFE, and I find a girl as good as Angel Girl, and all it causes me is a lot of heartache and aggravation, then why am I doing it to myself. I don't seek anything other than GFE, so I am in a Catch 22 situation, damned if I monger, and damned if I don't. I just don't care about simply patronizing girls for mechanical sex, and GFE is a lot of fun. But, Angel Girl has taken it well beyond GFE, and so have I, stupidly.

The difference between Mexico and other venues is that I don't have to put up with the disappointments on the ground. At least when I am there in the other venues, I am king...I am not played a fool or unappreciated. The girls clammer to be with you, and would die to have a guy pay attention to them, if not for emotional affections, then certainly for financial reasons. I get GFE in spades without all the hassles. In other venues, you are made to feel that at least they "NEED" to be with you, and there are no stupid, disingenuous excuses.

You see...I can be just as arbitrarily tough as the next guy. My solution is to simply take Mexico out of the rotation due to the fucked up frustration factor, and not because I am necessarily in "love" with a bar girl. I can just as easily travel to other venues where the frustration factor, the "showing up" issues, are NOT issues.

My complaint with respect to commentary I read here is that the real "issue," which has to do with consistent "quality" of experience, is completely overlooked. Even when I find the very best GFE available, something always fucks it up. For some reason, excuses are made for the Mexico venue, to somehow make up for all the BS run around that seems to always accompany a mongering venture in Mexico as compared to everywhere else of world class quality. Excuses, excuses, excuses....

MJ,

I agree with everything you're saying here. With respect to the "good test" you refer to, that is where my intellect seems to over-ride the bulge in my pants, thank God. I would never trust her...no, not even her, not with any amount of money beyond the normal fee. I guess in that sense, I am still relatively sane.

I know better than to intellectually support all the behaviors that my prior posts seem to indicate with respect to foolish thoughts, actions, and feelings, things that I know make my pleadings seem like those of a total and complete newbie. Believe me, I know how ridiculous I sound.

I have thought long and hard on symantics of the words I use when I describe what this girl means to me. It is not "love" per se. More accurately, I am in LOVE with her act...if it is an act...which, in the moment, I do not think it is. But, none-the-less, such assessments are always debatable depending on your range of experience, and the harshness of one's attitude toward most hookers. But, really, opinions about what is really going on don't matter, because, as you all have pointed out, there is no lasting meaning to be gleened from my liasons with her anyway, and she has made her choices in life.

I have come to realize that I am addicted to her GFE just as if it were a crack cocaine. It is the totality of her responses to me, and her own seemingly sincere sponteneity, based primarily on a form of lust that can only be described as animalistically affectionate, a lust she exhibits in the moment that is not typically found in most pay for play arrangements...and I've seen it all. That is what makes my time with her seem so wonderful. My time with her exceeds my best expectations for any venue I have ever visited, and certainly my time with her goes beyond anything I routinely experience with the girls of Monterrey. It transcends the act and encompasses a seemingly legitimate emotional connection.

When people use the word "love," that encompasses a huge range of definition. Under most normal circumstances, people might think of a love relationship as two people being able to make a life together, two like-minded people that are compatible in their sociology, compatible in their belief systems, etc...you know, people whose commonality make them eligible life partners for each other.

Some people that have that kind of bond get together, and some don't. But, that is the definition of "love" that I believe gets confused when I use it within the context of the feelings I have for my best GFE girls, Angel Girl included.

Well, in contemplating that kind of love, such as what you would routinely find between boyfriend and girlfriend, or husband and wife, I realize just how absurd that seems between me and Angel Girl, or me and any of the rest of them. It is totally, absolutely, ABSURD to the inth degree. Intellectually, I realize there is simply NO compatibility for anything other than what seems to be passionate sex, maybe a lot of passionate affection, maybe a basic kind of companionship, and a very basic level of communication...and that's all.

So, in further analyzing my feelings, and qualifying my former comments, I realize that I am infatuated with a fantasy girl, a dream, an angel and a devil all rolled into one. She is my quintessential fantasy girl all wrapped into one, the ultimate male fantasy incarnate. This girl gives to me from her heart and soul, and fulfills that part of my psyche that craves the full totality of the kind of experience I assume we all enjoy when screwing HOT young girls. She is a master at GFE to the absolute inth degree.

But upon further contemplation, I fully realize that the source of my melancholy over this girl is the intellectual realization about what I don't have in my everyday life. When we visit these venues, and we find the depth of sexual and emotional fulfillment in the moment so easily at our fingertips, it is like the euphoria of serious drug use. I am not a druggy, so I wouldn't directly know, but I find the analogy appropriate in this instance. I am a user and abuser of GFE to the inth degree for a week at a time each month, and the withdrawal from the drug is as painful as it is euphoric upon taking it. That is the source of my sadness. It is remorse for what I can not experience every day of my life.

I also realize, just as a side note, one thing that I find interesting to contempate. After having sampled so many girls over the course of time, if one were to attempt to find such a "delivery" of GFE in a normal girlfriend, one may have to look far and wide, sampling many, many, many girls, and perhaps never actually finding the intensity that is so easily bought by me in Monterrey, and for a pittance in comparison to actually marrying one of them under legitimate circumstances. So, I should consider my find in Angel Girl to be very fortunate indeed, verdad? I can only imagine the futility of looking for a girl to deliver the same under legitimate circumstances.

Those of you that live right in the opium fields are otherwise at ease within the turmoil of our mutual existence, nestled in the comfort of knowing that your relief is just down the corner, just a few miles away, no hotel bills, no travel costs to speak of...Carlos, MillJust, Porker. But, some of us that must wait between visits due to finances, lack of available time, family responsibilities, etc...having to go cold turkey, after feeling the intensity of such a buzz, are a pitiful sight to see...to say the least.

But, in conclusion, I realize that my "love" for this girl has more to do with my own internal emotional voids than has to do with the fulfillment she provides me in the moment. I miss being with her immensely, more than I would miss any other girl in Monterrey, or even any other girl in the world at this juncture...well, maybe there was that one in the PI, and then there was that one in Pattaya, and then there was that one in Cartgena...you get my drift.

As all of you have urged me, I realize the merits of just thinking less about it, making sure that I orchestrate opportunities for me to visit as often as is humanly and financially possible :-), and enjoy the ride.


[QUOTE=Mill Just]Man, if I had a peso for every working girl who was going to quit the biz, I'd be able to buy my own chica bar. I haven't met a working girl yet who wasn't quitting the biz within a few months. If these chicas don't get addicted to the lifestyle, they certainly get addicted to the money. When they eventually retire they find that they are back in the real world with no real work skills, little or no education and a social stigma that haunts them; they usually unretire the first time they get their 450 peso salary for their 80 hour work week.

A good test, if you were so inclined, is to take your girl under your wing and give her some money each week so that she could live a decent life without working at the bars. In other words, allow her to retire. In the long run you'd save money because the chica would essentially be "all yours" and you could have her whenever you come to town- No more salidas or chica drinks or taxis to the clubs- you'd have everything at your whim. 600 bucks a month would put her smack dab in the middle class and be plenty to raise a child. (And those 600 dollars would save you money from the usual 1400 dollars that you would spend in a week, club-hopping and bar fining chicas that don't fit your needs.) However, If you would come to town without advance warning, I would hazard a guess that you would still catch her working at the clubs- but I could be wrong.

Anyway, good luck with your Angel Girl. I guess her real motivations are immaterial as long as you're getting the service you like from her. Keep us abreast of the situation even though I know how your story will eventually play out. Whatever the case, have fun while it lasts.

Keep in mind, though, that it's often dangerously faulty logic to take the , "Yes, but my girl is different.." approach to mongering.

Mill[/QUOTE]

By Goerge, I think he's got it.

I will hold back from my next comment and will wait until after I see you and you prove it. But for now, weclome back to earth.

Wasted

USB, while you're at it, read my post from ages ago:

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=558306#post558306[/url]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]As all of you have urged me, I realize the merits of just thinking less about it, making sure that I orchestrate opportunities for me to visit as often as is humanly and financially possible :-), and enjoy the ride.[/QUOTE]

Actually, you will NOT witness me changing my strategy within El Infinito. I have my reasons...I am totally and completely convinced that my tactic there is sound. You have NOT changed my mind in that regard.

But, with respect to all my other options...I am totally open to those opportunitites. When did I say I was not going to have fun if Angel Girl failed me? When? Not once...I only said that I would not change my tactic in El Infinito. And, of course, I threw my little tantrum about not returning to Monterrey in lieu of a better venue, which is probably the smartest thing I could do actually. But, I am all for having fun, continuing to monger on in Monterrey.

I would like to have a shot at Angry Girl again. If that opportunity were to present itself, I "might" consider it. You see, my Angel Girl would be directly threatened by such an eventuality, and I can see where that might just be a useful ploy. Frankly, I think that I can tame Angry Girl again. She was once sweet, and the timing of her evolution should be about right on schedule. I expect the pendulum to start swinging from hardcore back to sweetness pretty soon. I will have to keep my eye on her. Lets see, she has been married for a while now. That means she will be wanting to "come to Daddy" for some real lovin,' verdad?

As for the other girls in El Infinito, short of taking out the girls that are already taken, girls that I do not believe would patronize me for fear of being aced out by their Masters, WastedG, Mr. L, and Carlos, I do not know of any that interest me in El Infinito. Remember, I just spent almost an entire week looking for alternatives...my Angel Girl nowhere in site the entire time.

I even bar fined one of them out from under your noses last week, but I will keep that little end run a secret. Frankly, I was not impressed. She is not one of your regular flock, but you would all know her if I divulged her name. So, you see, I have already practiced what you guys preach, and I was not impressed.

There was even another one that I bar fined, one that works in El Infinito, but she was on loan to Givenchy at the time. I like her ok, but she will need some work. I almost took her out of El Infinito this trip, but decided that she was not trying hard enough to warrant my attention. I made her wait this last trip, even after she started to seem worried that I was not going to take her out. Frankly, I think she is just a little too cold and hardened for my taste, and I will not tolerate that.

As for Angel Girl, well...she will always be my favorite. She holds a substantial place in my heart, sincerely. If she is disingenuous, fine...I am NOT. No change there. She has my undivided attention when available. But availability is the key. It is not up to me with respect to her availability as you guy suggest. It is up to her. Simply, if she is unavailable, I will move to plan B, and a completely different bar, in hopes that she will eventually grow to miss me again. She will not know where I went. I will be as though I am in Colombia. I might as well be if I am spending time away from El Infinito and terrorizing Pasarelas.

Every additional 24 hours gives me a significant edge. I expect to be totally back to normal soon...well, not "normal," but you know what I mean...



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]By Goerge, I think he's got it.

I will hold back from my next comment and will wait until after I see you and you prove it. But for now, weclome back to earth.

Wasted

USB, while you're at it, read my post from ages ago:

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=558306#post558306[/url][/QUOTE]

I think we lost him again.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Actually, you will NOT witness me changing my strategy within El Infinito. I have my reasons...I am totally and completely convinced that my tactic there is sound. You have NOT changed my mind in that regard.

But, with respect to all my other options...I am totally open to those opportunitites. When did I say I was not going to have fun if Angel Girl failed me? When? Not once...I only said that I would not change my tactic in El Infinito. And, of course, I threw my little tantrum about not returning to Monterrey in lieu of a better venue, which is probably the smartest thing I could do actually. But, I am all for having fun, continuing to monger on in Monterrey.

I would like to have a shot at Angry Girl again. If that opportunity were to present itself, I "might" consider it. You see, my Angel Girl would be directly threatened by such an eventuality, and I can see where that might just be a useful ploy. Frankly, I think that I can tame Angry Girl again. She was once sweet, and the timing of her evolution should be about right on schedule. I expect the pendulum to start swinging from hardcore back to sweetness pretty soon. I will have to keep my eye on her. Lets see, she has been married for a while now. That means she will be wanting to "come to Daddy" for some real lovin,' verdad?

As for the other girls in El Infinito, short of taking out the girls that are already taken, girls that I do not believe would patronize me for fear of being aced out by their Masters, WastedG, Larry, and Carlos, I do not know of any that interest me in El Infinito. Remember, I just spent almost an entire week looking for alternatives...my Angel Girl nowhere in site the entire time.

I even bar fined one of them out from under your noses last week, but I will keep that little end run a secret. Frankly, I was not impressed. She is not one of your regular flock, but you would all know her if I divulged her name. So, you see, I have already practiced what you guys preach, and I was not impressed.

There was even another one that I bar fined, one that works in El Infinito, but she was on loan to Givenchy at the time. I like her ok, but she will need some work. I almost took her out of El Infinito this trip, but decided that she was not trying hard enough to warrant my attention. I made her wait this last trip, even after she started to seem worried that I was not going to take her out. Frankly, I think she is just a little too cold and hardened for my taste, and I will not tolerate that.

As for Angel Girl, well...she will always be my favorite. She holds a substantial place in my heart, sincerely. If she is disingenuous, fine...I am NOT. No change there. She has my undivided attention when available. But availability is the key. It is not up to me with respect to her availability as you guy suggest. It is up to her. Simply, if she is unavailable, I will move to plan B, and completely different bar, in hopes that she will eventually grow to miss me again. She will not know where I went. I will be as though I am in Colombia. I might as well be if I am spending time away from El Infinito and terrorizing Pasarelas.

Every additional 24 hours gives me a significant edge. I expect to be totally back to normal soon...well, not "normal," but you know what I mean...[/QUOTE]

I've concluded that the strategy promoted by some with respect to how I should conduct myself in El Infinito with respect to Angel Girl and playing her off against other girls will simply not serve "MY" best interests. So, my decision is final.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I think we lost him again.[/QUOTE]