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[QUOTE=Gabacho;2759531]So now I'm poor because I'm trying to maximize the value I get for the money I spend.
You know what * ISG I'm done trying to help you idiots out....[/QUOTE]If I may speak for the forum, the feeling is mutual. I still can't figure out if you're really this cheap, or just trolling all of us. I really believe it's the latter and for pulling one over on us I give a tip (of the hat) to you! . Actually you wouldn't do that, please disregard jajaja!
[QUOTE=TalkYes;2759645]The only thing I did was walk out of a few clubs and call a girl a ***** over text, which I later apologized for and she still wants to meet up. Then made a couple posts venting about my experiences. Nothing about that is throwing a tantrum. That's you being dismissive.[/QUOTE]No. The first girl:
[QUOTE]finished dancing and comes and asks me for a tip for her dancing. I say no, that's what I paid cover for. At this point I'm pissed. It's not about the money, it's the principle. Like maybe you think I'm cheap for not wanting to give her 2 or 5 mil (assuming you have those bills, once you dig into your pocket it's game over) but I think the club the club is cheap if they pay their dancers so little that they have to panhandle.[/QUOTE]That's the beginning of a tantrum. Had you bothered to do any research you would have known that once girls come off stage they make the rounds and ask for tips, that a 2 k tip is standard and it's okay to politely decline. Then you rant that the strip club should pay the dancers more.
How does someone make it past the age of 12 without understanding that strippers get paid by tips from customers? "Tuck a buck", "make it rain?" If you've ever been in a strip club in your life you had to have seen guys tipping girls and girls making the rounds after the stage to get more tips. Then the first time it happens in Medellin you gripe about a non-existent strip club business model.
When a second dancer does the same, perfectly natural and normal strip club thing, you leave. The only way you could have been more clueless about how strip clubs work would be if you called the police to report naked women in the strip club.
[QUOTE]As for your theory about how tipping panhandling strippers keeps the club full, I think that's just you making a logical leap just to make me feel ridiculous when I'm not being ridiculous. If a girl is hot, she will make good money just from guys wanting attention whether it be tips, drinks, private dances, or fucking in the back. If not, she will have to put on some extra charm to get by, which has not been the case in my experience. That's how it works in clubs in the USA, (since you made the comparison) and that's how it should work everywhere. You keep repeating how cheap 2 mil is as if you're not listening to my counter argument, or as if you're ignoring it completely for the convenience of your argument. The amount is irrelevant. If I want to tip a girl for her attention, I will give her 10 or 20. So no, I don't want to have to tip the bartender to help me fill my pockets with 2's so that girls I'm not interested in will leave me alone and not gossip about me in the dressing room (another thing you brought up). The system sucks, if you disagree, fine, but try to be respectful or at least not disingenuous in how paint your opponent's argument. I'm not the first one on here to say it's a dumb system, I'm not even the only one on here that's currently saying so, and I won't be the last. And judging by how argumentative you are, it really does nothing to convince me that I'm being ridiculous, moreso that you're just a bit abrasive let's say (so that this post gets approved).[/QUOTE]They weren't panhandling. A panhandler does absolutely nothing and asks for money. Time for a Mr. Obvious lesson.
Strip clubs have girls called strippers. Strippers dance and remove their clothes to entertain the customers. The customers have the option of showing their appreciation by giving money to the stripper. That's called a tip. Tips are voluntary. If you decide to tip, the stripper will usually provide some type of physical display to thank you for the tip.
Get it now? They dance. They take off their clothes. They ask for tips. They provide entertainment. In exchange, they ask for a tip. Strippers in the US do it. Street performers around the world do it. It's completely, fucking normal and not something to get all pissy about.
You don't seem to know shit about strip clubs, in the US or anywhere else. Do you know how a good looking dancer makes money in the US? She does it by making the rounds, finding the customers who are there to spend money and then convincing them to open up their pockets. The most beautiful girl in the club, rarely makes more money than the hardest working girl in the club. And the hardest worker makes bank every time. The beauty queen, unless she's also working hard, only makes big bucks when she gets lucky.
I keep saying 2 k because the amount is important. However, you first have to remove your head from your ass and recognize that strippers asking for tips is the way things work. If 10 girls come by each hour and you tip each 2 k, you've spent $4. In an hour. In a strip club. If you're supposed to tip 10-20 k, you're potentially spending $20-$40 per hour.
Are you beginning to grasp it now? Nothing that happened in Fase 2 was worth getting pissed about, or walking out over. The exact same thing happens to every single person who goes to a strip club. However, everybody else realizes there are strippers in strip clubs, that the strippers strip and that after stripping, the strippers ask for tips.
Finally, let's be clear. I'm not abrasive. I'm an asshole. I'm an asshole because I don't join people's pity parties. Instead I tell them the way things are. And nobody wants to hear that when they're wallowing in self-pity.
I was the same way my first time. A bunch of assholes on ISG kept telling me that I was going about things the wrong way. For some stupid reason, they thought all their years of experience were more important than my idea of how things should be. Fortunately for me, I'm a quick learner. 4 hours into my trip which was about to become a complete disaster, I swallowed my pride, admitted that all those assholes had been right and I changed course. The rest of the trip was great. Had I stuck with my stupidity, I would have never mongered again.
Instead, here I am 8 years later, being the asshole and trying to keep people from ruining their trip. However, if you'd rather piss and moan instead of landing more good pussy than you can possibly handle, keep doing your thing.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2759925]If I may speak for the forum, the feeling is mutual. I still can't figure out if you're really this cheap, or just trolling all of us. I really believe it's the latter and for pulling one over on us I give a tip (of the hat) to you! . Actually you wouldn't do that, please disregard jajaja![/QUOTE]He's a street rat, and for those in this elite group (jajaja), paying more than what the locals pay is hard to swallow. And contrary to what others may think, just because a guy is not willing to pay more than what the locals pay does not mean they are cheap outside of mongering.
Is it always locked? Do you need to call them when you arrive or is it closed Mondays?
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2759925]If I may speak for the forum, the feeling is mutual. I still can't figure out if you're really this cheap, or just trolling all of us. I really believe it's the latter and for pulling one over on us I give a tip (of the hat) to you! . Actually you wouldn't do that, please disregard jajaja![/QUOTE]Let me clarify a few things. First and foremost you don't speak for the forum you speak for yourself only. Secondly all I was saying is that I think strip clubs, cover charges, tips etc are a waste because I like to maximize the number of women I have sex with for the amount of money I spend. I'm a high turnover street rat if you will. If you guys enjoy the strip club scene then it is worth it to you, for me it's not my cup of tea, my apologies for calling you strip club guys idiots. Who knows maybe some day I'll change my mind about it but for now I prefer the street scene.
Secondly, I wasn't trolling or lying about anything. I used to spend alot more before I lived here. I always came down with about $6 k or $7 k usd per trip with trips averaging about 2 months at a time. Since August I've been renting an apartment in a barrio and living more frugal so my money would last me longer. I do occasionally splurge and have paid up to 100 mil for BBFS although I figured out it can be had for around 50 mil with the right girls. As far as prices go I didn't lie about anything, the tienda here in my barrio sells Andina tall cans for 3 mil, meals cost about 10 mil, bus is 2550. If you guys want to call me a lier or say I'm trolling or whatever then that's on you. All I was saying is I don't see the value in the strip clubs and I keep my 2 k bills for other things such as cigarettes for example which cost 3 of those 2 k bills for a pack of Starlite.
I know many locals here and they aren't going to la isla or gustos or whatever have you and spending tons of money. I've been trying to live more like a local. And while I do keep track of the exchange rate I tend to think of it as I can pull 300 mil for $60 instead of $75 like it used to be but once I have that 300 mil I think of it as 300 mil and I spend it the same way as if the exchange rate was 4000 or 3600 I don't go spending it faster because it's worth less in dollars, to me 300 mil is 300 mil.
But anyways, I think ima take a break from posting for a while since people just want to attack me and call me poor or cheap or whatever.
Also don't know if this helps anyone or not but I just went to todo drogas to get some viagra and the price of the 2 pack 50 MG sildenafilo (La Sante brand) has increased from 1800 to 2200 now. So that along with food prices increasing slightly as well, does mean that prices on some things are increasing.
[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2759702]...Also To check is Ayenda 1235 Botero....[/QUOTE]It is closed.
Also bring water sandals, you may decide to wear it.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2759921]There's quite a divide on this board between low end and high end girls (which I equate as "beauty queens") and for some guys it's all about how pretty / cute the girls are as this is their primary selection criteria.[/QUOTE]As always, Centro rats are collateral damage again, and nobody said a thing.
Last week I met the hottest girl I have met in Medellin but the sex was average physically. I have to massage her legs after about an hour so she can continue. LOL. I will repeat with her because it gave me the satisfaction in my head. This is not the only hot girl I have met this year and they are all about the same performance wise. It's not easy to get everything perfect line up. Congrats to those who can get it.
The next day, I passed by El Centro and spotted a new Vennie that I consider hot too, she said she just started and it was morning so "low mileage" checked. Hehe. She asked for 50 mil and we went. I can't say sex is better one way or the other. And I don't really care about paying different amount to different girls as my objective is to have sex with hot girl wherever I found them.
There is definitely a lot of mindless debates and arguments on this website. I guess it can be amusing to some. I don't know who is right or wrong and I really don't care.
This much I know. I am in Medellin now and I am having a great time with young attractive women from Facebook. The prices are reasonable to me and the girls are providing GFE sessions. That is all that matters to me.
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As for your theory about how tipping panhandling strippers keeps the club full, I think that's just you making a logical leap just to make me feel ridiculous when I'm not being ridiculous..[/QUOTE]The strippers aren't "panhandling" when they come around to collect the 2 mil notes. This is done after their stage performance, thus it's an optional contribution toward their performance.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2759921]There's quite a divide on this board between low end and high end girls (which I equate as "beauty queens") and for some guys it's all about how pretty / cute the girls are as this is their primary selection criteria.[/QUOTE]I use low / high-end only to indicate price (high or low end of the price range). As I have tried to explain numerous times, I don't bellieve price affects 'quality', be it looks or personality or intelligence. But it does seem to impact how down to Earth a girl is.
Other people are free to think different.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2760028]I use low / high-end only to indicate price (high or low end of the price range). As I have tried to explain numerous times, I don't bellieve price affects 'quality', be it looks or personality or intelligence. But it does seem to impact how down to Earth a girl is.
Other people are free to think different.[/QUOTE]Fully agreed. Price does not affect service quality. In my experience, how attractive a woman is has more of an impact here. To me, the sweet spot is a 7, girl next door type. These are attractive but not stunning to the point of having hundreds of guys worldwide telling her how beautiful she is daily. If I can get a 7 that is sweet, gentle, understands the game, I stick around with her longer. My experience with 8's and over have not been great in the bedroom. At best, average, which means no repeat to me. Sure, we all like the stunners, but a poor attitude, sex like she is making you a favour, and I am still paying more for this. Not worth it to me. Met a girl from Medellin in Cartagena this year, a real stunner. I mean, model material. But she knows it, and has US and Mexican guys constantly buying her flights to Cancun and giving her $500 on Western Union just like that. I caught her in between trips and sugar daddies (she obviously live on seeking). The end result, had to chase after her to have sex with me at my airbnb. Slippery biatch was always pretending to be on the phone, or wanted to get wasted at the best bars and restaurants. I got it sorted after I told her she had 5 minutes to go to the bedroom or pack her stuff. The sex. Average of course. Remember, she was making me a favour!
I remember during the covid lockdowns and limited hours magically strip clubs in medellin remained open. (Or open longer hours) correct me if I am wrong. Now, they must be paying off some very important politicians to have these privileges. Now, the la Islas, fase dos's are cash cows for the owners and the "wheels" they have to grease to remain open. I imagine strip clubs in your own hometown have to grease the wheels to certain people to run how they run. They simply pass on the cost to you. Yes, the sex with a spinner in conejitos can be better than a star in La isla. I am not a fan of the girls going around asking for a tip if I already paid a cover and I am used to strippers not doing this in my hometown. However, when in rome. Even if I did not find her show appealing, at times I would say no but times I would give 2 k etc. Again, when in rome. Yes, for medellin the prices are geared towards foreigners generally speaking. But, they are smart enough to know that at a certain price point they will keep on coming. Once it is the same price as your home town, there is less value. Would someone fly to medellin to bang strippers for the same price that he can bang in their home city. Of course not. There are Colombian strippers or escorts in major cities..
For those who want to spend less, just go stand by the bar in La isla or fase dos. Order a Perrier (agua con gas if no Perrier) and sip and enjoy. The Consumo minimo (minimum consumption) exists in many bars and clubs in medellin. Envigado not so I believe. What I believe is there is a group "wheels" as I aforementioned who tell bar owners that whoever sits at a table need to order at minimum a bottle of rum or aguardiente. Even on the bars in the sidewalk on la 70, that are definitely not high end, there is a consumo mínimo. You want beers, no. You need to get a bottle. Yes, you can probably find a deal of ordering a bucket of corona for the price of a bottle, but this is rare. I remember telling the mesero (waiter) I will pay the price of a bottle if I can have 1 beer, he said no. It's ridiculous. Again, when in Rome. Order the rum and after beer if you want. La isla is no different. Go with a few buddies and split the cost of a bottle, get a couch and enjoy. Probably is cheaper than gustos. I did not go to gustos this time when I was there in July. But after reading guys getting quotes and comparing gustos to la isla, you might be better off as there is security in La isla, you don't have to worry about being robbed, you have. A manager to complain to if service absolutely sucked. Try that with a crazy chica yelling in your apartment. You would suck it up and pay her to leave just to avoid the commotion or her "boyfriend" coming and shooting you. Lastly, almost zero chance of getting roofies or scopolamine in La isla. I can apply this to the other strip clubs even in Centro. They want repeat customers and at least you have some sense of security. This is what you pay the extra for. For piece of mind. I stay in "nicer" buildings with 24 HR security for piece of mind. Yes, I pay more than I would had I chosen a building with no security.
Nobody wants to be taken advantage of by paying extra for being a tourist etc. With experience, you can minimalize this.
Now, for the girls in strip clubs. They are working there for a reason. Many reasons if you want to split hairs. Don't care really. In the end they want your money. This is the only reason you need to know why they are there. Yes, I am like many who want the best "bang " for my buck in all senses. It's my money. You can find diamonds in the rough in conejitos and duds in La isla. Test drive a few, perhaps you may have genuine sexual chemistry and love it while another customer had a miserable time with her. Life is short. Will spending $100-$200 extra on a Saturday night while on a holiday really put a dent on your lifestyle for the whole year? You know the answer. Enjoy life, it's short.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753072]I disagree. If a chick could make 4 million on a regular job then she probably would not be hoeing. I know one person's junk is another person's treasure, but if she is not worth 4 million on a regular job market where she would undergo more screening than I could possibly give, then she damn sure is not worth 4 million pesos to me.[/QUOTE]I disagree as well. Most people make minimum wage. I find it incredibly hard to see how the average could be 4 million. Its probably skewed heavily due to some very high earners. Regardless, most of the people I've met in Colombia are jobless or make shit minimum wage. Even if you have an education you're looking at 1. 3 to 1. 5 million out of university to start. Maybe after 10 years or so you might be making 2 million.
Girls in Santa Fe make a lot more than 4 million a month. An attractive girl can make can make 500 k a day pretty easy. Thats probably about 10 - 12 guys a day. 5 days a week. 10 million per month. That's not counting the special customers that tip them or hire them todo la noche.
Today I had 2 girls stop over after working as spokesmodels at the SEMA show here in town. They wanted to see my place and my artwork. Not going to get into that info here. But what was nice is one got a call from her mom in Manizales. I said Hello, Hello, to her mom on the Facetime chat and then we all started talking about Colombia. Turns out they (r Colombians) and they visit their hometown often and want to hook up when we are all there together. Want to introduce me to their artist friends. Did I mention they are models? LOL no guarantees (for a threesome? LOL) but I I can tell you they were in no rush to leave for there trip back to LA after our conversation. And I got a lot of hugs. Terrific people, great vibes! There's no harm in being genuinely interested in nice people. They were surprised I knew about the area and even like that I knew about things to do there. Like hot air balloons and tours in Valle del Cauca. We will meet up in Colombia. It has been a good day. Now less than 3 weeks from landing in Medellin. (my 2nd home).