Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]8k for a girl you order via MMS? I think I will pass on that one[/QUOTE]Fair enough. Was just looking to try something different and as naive as it may sound, the thought of doing someone who was less "seasoned" and apparently doesn't do this "often" for a living sounded like it was worth 8k.

It ended up to be worth 8k, to me at least, but I can see where you're coming from with the open ended potential for disaster.

Good thing I met her in the hotel lobby, at their instruction, so I could send them away if need be?

[QUOTE=Bearsk]Kenster, I think if you are going to do this, you need to be prepared, just my POV. [/QUOTE]Thats true. I never thought of it that way when it was suggested to me and it only struck me earlier when i was replying to NicFrenchy's post that it could've been an open ended disaster. Worst come to worst, i spend the night alone and send her along on her merry way with some cab money.

But at that moment, the thought was ingenious. I would have no pressure to offer the girl some money at The Pent with me constantly upping the amount everytime she says no since the thought of spending the night wanking away alone is so daunting in a city of so many beautiful women.

[QUOTE=Bearsk]Chulalongkorn University, Quite prestigious. [url]http://www.stc.chula.ac.th/[/url][/QUOTE]I wouldn't be able to tell you buddy.

All i know is when i took a cab from MBK later in the afternoon from the side entrance at the lower level where the cab ranks are, when he drove out of MBK and we hit the main road and turn left and reached a set of lights at a T junction, where we had to turn right, the entrance to her "school" was directly infront of said T-Junction.

I wouldnt be able to tell you the name as i didnt pay too much attention.

Once again, out of MBK's cab ranks, turn left and immediatly you hit a set of lights. Right infront of you is said school.

Is that the infamous Chulalongkorn university?

[QUOTE=Bearsk]There are several agencies that specialize in students and are generally at the higher end. I have had a couple of very pleasant overnights with students at different levels. One of the best was a Laotian doctoral student at Thamasat Unversity. I have also had one near disaster with a girl who looked and sang like a peach but had active herpes on her undercarriage. I had already got to DFK and had my hand up her when I scouted in prep for some DATY. OMG. I quickly terminated the deal and she admitted her boyfriend had an issue the week before.
I got acyclovir tablets and ointment and avoided any sort of attack. I was surprised how naive she was.

I protested to the lady running the deal and promptly left town. The next time back she set me up with a 30 yo schoolteacher who was heaven on a stick.

Comment: its worthwhile but be careful.
BTW your are paying the 12 hour rate at THB 8000 or your just a BSD, midnight too to 9am drop at school bats around THB 6000 for "student model".
OTH ? comments

BSK[/QUOTE]Sounds like these kind of things could be a hit and miss. Luckily my first experience or foray into such things was a HIT, to me at least.

But once again, I'm gonna try to head back there really soon. Not in the next month or two as work is driving me crazy (maybe more reason to head back then) but hopefully by July/August when things should start settling down.

I will try to get intouch with this girl again and learn more about the modus operandi of her and her mamasan and fellow "occasional P4P" buddies.

Anyone have more info or if Bearsk would be so gracious as to offer more info on said agencies as mentioned above? Especially students, sans the jailbait bit of course. Haha!

Thanks once again for the kind feedback. Look forward to returning with more information but I don't make such frequent trips nor do I live in BKK (but boy would I love to) so it might be rather infrequent but with AirAsia offering such competitive rates, I think the infrequent bit might just change soon.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]1/ university uniform skirts are black, not blue. If this girl was wearing a blue skirt (I suspect it would be long and pleated), she was likely either, a high school student at Tri Udomsuksa which is right next door to Chula (and therefore jailbait, 15 to 17 years old), possibly a first year uni student at Rajamagala Technological University, opposite to MBK and next to Chula, or possibly a first year student at Chula itself (if a dark blue skirt)...still possibly jailbait, as most first year uni students, especially in that area are 17.

While I could believe that a student from Rajamagala could be on the game (it's a crap school), I somehow have my doubts that either a HS student from Tri Udomsuksa or a student from Chula would be. The students at both places are just far too rich to ever need to do P4P.[/QUOTE]With regards to the skirts, i was not actually paying attention to the color per se but i can tell you this though, if its blue, it would be a very very dark shade of blue.

It is definitely not pleated. Very tight and straight up to the knee or thereabouts.

Together with a belt that is made of fabric and has a logo in the center, sort of a Royal looking insignia of sorts that every other person dressed like her wears.

I really doubt (and hope/pray) that she isnt so young and from said high school but you can never really know.

Once again, i know NOTHING about thai demographics so i cant really say much about which school she belongs to with reference to her financial situation but i can say this, i hope it isnt that high school. Im not fussed if she went to a shitty technological institute. :)

All i can contribute to possibly narrowing her educational institute is the location of the gate i dropped her off at, which will be 1 post above, in my response to Bearsk, and the uniform, which is defiinitely not pleated, approx knee length, very tight.

With a belt that has an insignia of some sort in the middle that everyone wears. A white button shirt with short sleeves too. And the fact that EVERYONE else walking through that gate looks the same. Hehe

Im very curious about which university this could be now and i have her number so i can always ask on my next trip. Ive tried sms-ing her but she always responds in thai so thats getting me nowhere.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, for the last 4 years I am working with Thais on a daily basis and I can tell you this:

My staff (all of them) have the latest iPhone and Great cars. Do they really need it? nope.

What you have is not important, what people SEE you have is crucial.

My staff always laugh at how cheap my phone is because it cost only 9,000 thb, but does that mean they are richer than me? nope.

They find the money in Bank loans, Credit cards and maybe (but I don't think so) borrow from a local Godfather.

Social status is by which car you drive, what you wear, where you live and what car you drive.[/QUOTE]Nicfrenchy,

I think this is predominantly an Asian mentality? I would say Malaysians, Singaporeans, Taiwanese etc etc all establish a fellow persons wealth but his material possessions, cars, homes etc regardless of what he had to leverage to accumulate said possessions.

"Face" is very important it seems.

NicFrenchy,

I'm sure it is happening all over the world especially in China. But in reference to Thailand itself I call it the " keeping up with the Jones " I have experience it my whole life since I was given my 1st credit card but you don't see it until you get older and some never seen it nor escape it. We are taught that more is better, 1 chicken in the oven isn't enough you got to have 2 and it goes on and on. Even prior to what is happening to the economy now I saw it everyday! Young kids with 30,40,50 thousand dollar cars living at home in debt everything they own is on credit! Young couples buying homes way beyond their means and then using whatever leverage they have on their homes to buy more cars to keep up with their friends.

I'm 57 now and knowing that I had to make a decision to leave my job at 55 and live in Thailand to support my family. I had a incentive to work my ass off for 5 years and save and pay off all my debt. Since leaving I have been debt free and everthing I buy is cash and you know what? It feels so good!
I have my life and I own nothing to anyone except to take care of my family.

I see it everyday now in Thailand, especially as you say with phones the more features the better. The bigger the better! A second hand motorbike isn't good enough you got to have a Fino or the top of line Honda. The banks know this and advertise on T.V. how you can get credit cards. Cards for everything! I have seen in the past year at Carrefour in Pattaya, while standing in line to pay, Thais paying with credit cards and then seeing that the credit is refused! Just by looking at the way they are dressed tells me they have no idea! what is going on.. I go to take money out of the ATM, and I see Thai's put in the ATM, over and over again to have it return with no money! The look on their faces when they turn around... only tells me no money in bank.

In my own personal life... my wife young cousin who has been living with us for nearly 10 years. I see what Nic is talking about each day. We have been trying to teach him to save and it might be too late for him and I finally at the request of my wive ( she had it too ) spoke to him and laid down the law of the house. I went back on his life a few years to show him where he was headed. He has a new honda, more clothes than I have... but in the end I told him it's all dressing. You can dress like you got money but like before when the girl finds out it all show and you don't have a dime she gone...! In the end I told him how far is your few thousand baht going to last you? This time I told him you are living in my house and if you stay you're going to have to live by my rules. If you can't we will give you all you legal papers and your bank book wish you the best of luck and hope to see from time to time for dinner but this time there is no coming back! Today he is still here and it is a matter of time if he screws up again!

There is this massage girl I have known for sometime she is a real bread winner. I'm guessing by the customers she has that she is racking in easily 50,000 baht a month. She indicated to me recently she wanted to buy a new Toyota Yaris, I asked her why and went through this whole topic and told her if she had to spend money buy property and open your own business instead of you blowing me you're staff can and still have a place to live. She is a smart girl... my reward after giving her my 2 cents... one of the best BBBJ/FS I have ever had!

LBM

That you for your time guys, LBM

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]

In truth, I happen to agree with Sean. Although I do recognize the great contribution of OTH has made to the Thai Forum, he does often come across as a pompous, bombastic windbag who is obviously none too fond of the people in whose country he is a guest.[/QUOTE]

While I may criticize people's POV, as both you and others have mine, I don't generally resort to name-calling, as you have done here. I don't think I've been guilty of a personal attack on you, so what gives you the right to do so with me?

As for my lack of fondness for Thais...

It always seems that those who have had a go at me about this, are usually those types (predominately visitors) whose sole experience with Thais has been confined to superficial interactions with bargirls, wait-staff, hotel receptionists, shopkeepers and taxi drivers.

All I can say, is walk a mile in my shoes before you judge.

I defy anyone on here to successfully maintain their airy-fairy, Pollyanna attitude about Thais, after they've had to deal with them for any length of time and in depth: after they've scratched the very thin veneer of sanook, sabai sabai and 'Land of Smiles' to reveal the real nature of Thais - immature, jealous, envious, greedy, resentful, back-stabbing, gossipy, vengeful, corrupt, lying, inept, no-nothing, do-nothing idiots, who feel an entitlement to have it all, without putting in the requisite labour and intelligence to get it. While Farang expat whingeing about Thais and Thailand is a wide-ranging and popular sport and often excessive, one has to ask why it continues to be as pervasive and incessant as it is? In my own case, having been abused, insulted, harrassed and treated unfairly repeatedly and excessively by largely incompetent nitwits, who have neither my ability, knowledge or experience, I've developed a justifiable hate-on for these people. They need us, for whatever the task is, because they are incapable of doing it themselves, and then resent the fact, when we can do it and they can't, or that we simply do it better, resulting in increasing and unjustified criticism and on-going efforts to be-little us.

Before anyone says, "why don't you leave?", believe me, I've tried extremely hard to get the fuck out of here. Unfortunately, with the economic crisis, it's proven almost impossible. I've found that, ironically my best job prospects are still here. Therefore, I'm hopefully getting a new job and will tough it out for another year until I can leave these bastards behind.

If that seems "insensitive" to Thai people, tough titties.

As for my being a guest... technically, of course I am. But, despite Thai people's best efforts to undermine and sabotage me, I've contributed a significant amount to this country in educating its often ungrateful youth.
I also have paid a considerable amount of taxes here over the last dozen years: certainly more in taxes in a year, than some Isaan rice farmer earns in total. That gives me the right to voice whatever opinion I want about this country and its people.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] I don't think I've been guilty of a personal attack on you, so what gives you the right to do so with me?[/QUOTE]

Erm.... I beg to differ. You were extremely rude to me some months back. I would dig it out but I cannot be arsed and it means jackshit to me anyway so why bother. I somehow doubt that I'm the only member that you have disparaged. So whats good for the goose ...etc.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] ...the real nature of Thais - immature, jealous, envious, greedy, resentful, back-stabbing, gossipy, vengeful, corrupt, lying, inept, no-nothing, do-nothing idiots ...[/QUOTE]

Is this just how you feel about your Thai friends and workmates? How about the Thai's you don't really like?

Overall I would say that the content of your diatribe tends to strengthen rather than weaken my stated opinion but I apologize if my viewpoint is overtly rude or personally defamatory. However we all know that ISG is a duck shoot where we all set ourselves up to be popped at. This is surely part of the fun!


[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
All I can say, is walk a mile in my shoes before you judge.[/QUOTE]

A wise man once told me, before you knock someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way if you still think they are a wanker and want to say so, you will be a mile away and have their fucking shoes:D.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Erm.... I beg to differ. You were extremely rude to me some months back. I would dig it out but I cannot be arsed and it means jackshit to me anyway so why bother. I somehow doubt that I'm the only member that you have disparaged. So whats good for the goose ...etc.[/QUOTE]

If that's true, then I apologize. I actually like your posts and pics on the Phil section. I try now not to be personal, but stick only to agreeing or disagreeing about comments and issues.

BTW, you mentioned before about my leaving ISG. In fact, I left for about 5 months and now only post in fits and starts about specific topics. I'm nowhere near my previous level of posting a year ago where I would post every day and often more than once. I just don't have the interest, but occasionally like to comment on certain things like politics and life here.

The hate-on...

I'm probably the most extreme and certainly the most outspoken in my negativity about Thais. But, if you've noticed, the line in the sand on ISG, divides the expats who live and most importantly work with or have some sort of business dealings with Thais, and those who are happy visiting mongers, who know nothing about the real face of the people. There are lots of others, like me who make negative comments about Thais; just not as nasty or blatant. Nevertheless, I'm sure they often feel as strongly as I. They just don't express it. You should read the Thai Visa forum some time. Talk about an over-the-top whinge-fest.

I used to love it here and love the people. But, after being fucked over, one-too-many times, through no fault of my own, it's hard to feel anything but contempt for what are in essence a morally-bankrupt people who act dishonestly without remorse or concern for the consequences. This kind of behaviour exists proportionately, from the highest HiSo scumbag to the lowliest LoSo, country bumpkin. The only thing worse is that they're often even more despicable to their fellow Thais than even to Farang.

Day 1

Checked in to Lovingstone Lodge (soi 33) and it was a pleasure to be back.

Headed for Soi Cowboy since its my favorite place to drink beer and look at gogo girls. Midnight was the first bar. I was seated and right away, a girl came and sat with me and wanted ladydrink. She was cute and I accepted. There was a banana show going on on stage. Didn't find it interesting. The music was very bad too. Moved on to shark. Nice girls for shure. Some real stunners. Music was okay. Moved on to Baccara. One of my favorite bars. 1. Floor is always the place to find a good party. I choosed a girl Leki (267 & 287 don't remember) she was a 10. Small, with big fake tits, and a very hard body and a cute smile. She was very hot. But when we came back to Livingstone Lodge she was very shy, and wanted to shower alone. And I felt like I couldn't trust her. The agreement was longtime, but after one boring session, I said that I wanted no more, and it was okay for her to leave.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
I used to love it here and love the people. But, after being fucked over, one-too-many times, through no fault of my own, it's hard to feel anything but contempt for what are in essence a morally-bankrupt people who act dishonestly without remorse or concern for the consequences. This kind of behaviour exists proportionately, from the highest HiSo scumbag to the lowliest LoSo, country bumpkin. The only thing worse is that they're often even more despicable to their fellow Thais than even to Farang.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I do feel a little sorry for you. It must be like being stuck in a dead and unhappy marriage. I think that I would find it most difficult to live in a country whose people I had come so patently to detest and despise. It must have an adverse affect on your day to day decision making and activities. Not to mention the negative influence on your personal happiness and contentment.

However I don't feel too sorry for you as you are after all in Thailand and many guys would sacrifice a kidney to be in your position of being in a well paid job in the Land of (albeit insincere) Smiles.

Dare I say that you need to lighten up and get out mongering more;).

I don't think that what OTH is going through is Thai-specific. I've lived the past 20 years in a country other than the one where I grew up. Plenty of immigrants become annoyed with the way the natives deal with things. In some countries where it is easier to assimilate there are those that assimilate and those that get annoyed and move on. Often those that get annoyed and move on end up really disliking the people before they move on. The difference is that in places like Thailand and Japan and Dubai the locals are not interested in having people assimilate and join their ranks so you don't really end up with those happily assimilated farang/gaijin immigrants.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Dare I say that you need to lighten up and get out mongering more;).[/QUOTE]

If only that would work, I'd do it too.... eh, wait a second... I already do it! :D

After being here (and working) with thais on a daily basis, I can say that OTH is not far from the truth. Obviously, I do not have the same ill-feelings about all thais, but I find most of his comments spot-on.

Tourists see Thailand very differently so I am not sure that they can understand.

Giotto also writes amazing stories about what LOS really is and I suggest everyone to go adn read the GIOTTO STORIES.

As for me, I was really happy today to see a very true article in GURU Magazine: "The unique sights, sounds adn smells of the Thai office"

I will try to scan and post it later!

I can empathize with OTH's point of view, and I've met several foreigners here in the Philippines who feel exactly the same way, which is easy to do, given the patent insincerity hiding under the guide of friendly smiles. I guess that one of the huge differences between actually living day to day in a country and going there on holiday. During vacation, you can afford to be blind to the reality and you might not even be there long enough to notice or experience the reality. Living long term in a country however, you cannot avoid it.

I've adopted the stance of enjoying the lifestyle that I can maintain here, enjoying the fringe benefits, and attaching no importance to the rest of it. I assume that most people are lying to me, acknowledge that I will never be able to change anything, and just get on with living my life in the best way (for me) that I can.

I'll be in Bangkok in a couple of weeks, and I'll make a special effort not to notice all of the things that OTH so accurately points out.

GE

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]If that's true, then I apologize. I actually like your posts and pics on the Phil section. I try now not to be personal, but stick only to agreeing or disagreeing about comments and issues.

BTW, you mentioned before about my leaving ISG. In fact, I left for about 5 months and now only post in fits and starts about specific topics. I'm nowhere near my previous level of posting a year ago where I would post every day and often more than once. I just don't have the interest, but occasionally like to comment on certain things like politics and life here.

The hate-on...

I'm probably the most extreme and certainly the most outspoken in my negativity about Thais. But, if you've noticed, the line in the sand on ISG, divides the expats who live and most importantly work with or have some sort of business dealings with Thais, and those who are happy visiting mongers, who know nothing about the real face of the people. There are lots of others, like me who make negative comments about Thais; just not as nasty or blatant. Nevertheless, I'm sure they often feel as strongly as I. They just don't express it. You should read the Thai Visa forum some time. Talk about an over-the-top whinge-fest.

I used to love it here and love the people. But, after being fucked over, one-too-many times, through no fault of my own, it's hard to feel anything but contempt for what are in essence a morally-bankrupt people who act dishonestly without remorse or concern for the consequences. This kind of behaviour exists proportionately, from the highest HiSo scumbag to the lowliest LoSo, country bumpkin. The only thing worse is that they're often even more despicable to their fellow Thais than even to Farang.[/QUOTE]Ar

Old thai hand is right. I have the same sentiment. And I know many over farang leaving here have the same. Its a hate and love situation. I know many friend or farang leaving same me today 50% home europe 50% in Thailand. And all of them enjoy again this situation getting in touch with the normality here in europe. Yes many do not express throut forum or writing. Someting just because they can not writ up stories.

Yes Thailand is a fucking country bad and good. For the moment its 50 50 good and bad. Yes its true they are only after farang money. No money you can go home. They anyhow think they are superior to us farang. Farang have money but no brain. Thai brain better they think. Thats what they are thinking of us farang. So if we want to enjoy theier life styl. Sun. Fun. Sex. We have to accept it and I see no way how we can change theier attitute. See est la vie. Or. This is Thailand

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Actually, I do feel a little sorry for you. It must be like being stuck in a dead and unhappy marriage. I think that I would find it most difficult to live in a country whose people I had come so patently to detest and despise. It must have an adverse affect on your day to day decision making and activities. Not to mention the negative influence on your personal happiness and contentment.

However I don't feel too sorry for you as you are after all in Thailand and many guys would sacrifice a kidney to be in your position of being in a well paid job in the Land of (albeit insincere) Smiles.

Dare I say that you need to lighten up and get out mongering more;).[/QUOTE]

FYI. part of the reason behind my bitterness.

I lost my well paid job, with no explanation and by email, no less....

"Your contract will end by [ ]. You will not be renewed." PERIOD.

"Thanks" for all the fish. (with appologies to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy :) )

They didn't even have the professionalism to call me, talk to me, give me a reason and hand me a TERMINATION letter, the fucking cowards. This after 3 years of setting up a new program, with all the extra work involved and busting my ass. This from the Royal University, #1 in LOS with aspirations of becoming an international university (what a joke!). Now that the program is making loads of money, they ditched all the full-time Farang, replaced us with part-time, raw recruits, with no experience and at a quarter of the pay and with incompetent Thai faculty who want to make the big salaries, without having done any of the work or sacrificing anything for the program. Not a new scenario here, by any stretch, either. As well, I am likely to get another job and will be back up, salary-rise in a few months. But, it has left a bitter taste.

Also...and at the risk of exposing myself to derision from gloating ISGers...my "good girl" mid-so TGF of 3 years, suddenly announced she's leaving me and moving to the US to study. She did all of this secretly behind my back. She got a 5 year visa to the US - pretty unheard for a young, single Thai girl. So, that's pretty much it for her and I.

It's been a bad couple of months, which explains my grumpiness.

I could go on with more stellar examples of just how shitty they are. But, you get the idea.

However, you are right about one thing...It is Thailand. Therefore the GF is easily replaced by another young piece of Thai ass.