Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2211637]Just wanted to shout out everyone out on the boards for their continued advice, wit, and humor. I've contributed to the MDE board but am considering a trip to Bogota or Brazil. I absolutely loved Medellin and feel it will be tough to beat. But want to try something else. For those who have visited both Brazil and Colombia. What is your preference, and why? Is it worth taking the extra trek south to Brazil? Is Bogota actually better than Medellin? Does Brazil really stand alone at the top in terms of monger destinations? Do tell LOL.[/QUOTE]I have been to all 3, Brazil has better food and Rio is a true tropical paradise. The termas are a great set-up. You should definitely go at least once.

I feel Brazil is more dangerous. The people are not as friendly to foreigners.

All 3 have beautiful women, Bogota has the most and probably the best prices.

I am looking at Google maps and it's right in between the plataforma cigararilla and some panaderia right?

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2211637]Just wanted to shout out everyone out on the boards for their continued advice, wit, and humor. I've contributed to the MDE board but am considering a trip to Bogota or Brazil. I absolutely loved Medellin and feel it will be tough to beat. But want to try something else. For those who have visited both Brazil and Colombia. What is your preference, and why? Is it worth taking the extra trek south to Brazil? Is Bogota actually better than Medellin? Does Brazil really stand alone at the top in terms of monger destinations? Do tell LOL.[/QUOTE]The first place I ever mongered was Rio. That said I have been to Med prob a dozen or more times.

Here is the deal. Rio has more array of girls and they are more vulgar and fuck intensely.

Colombia.

Medellin.

Paisa chicas are the prettiest and they are very sweet when they fuck, lots of kissing etc.

Bogota.

More compeition so easier to find more girls at cheaper prices. It is not organized cause the type of talent is all over the place. Rolas are not as pretty as Paisa but tbere is also a mix of VnZ that Med does not has many of.

To break it down.

Rio is Costco.

Bogata is Wal Mart.

Medellin is Whole Foods.

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2211661]Weather in Bogota mostly beautiful with rain every day drizzling at various times, very pleasant.[/QUOTE]I guess beautiful weather is very subjective. What I do not like about Bogota is that it gets cold. Not bone chilling, but cold enough. And if you are not staying somewhere like the Marriott, there will be no heat. My girlfriend is from Cartagena but has lived in Bogota a while. She is always complaining about how cold it is as well and staying inside under the covers when she gets home from work.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2211945]I feel Brazil is more dangerous. The people are not as friendly to foreigners.
[/QUOTE]Are you referring to Brazil in general, or the larger cities like Rio and Sao Paolo? The way people describe the residents of these places doesn't jibe with my experiences with Brazilian expats in the US. Then again, the average Brazilian doesn't live in the US, either. Foreigners who only visit NYC, MIA or LA will have an odd take on Americans that doesn't reflect the general population anywhere, for reasons that any American will understand. Same goes with London versus most of the UK, or Paris versus the rest of France. Large cities don't typically reflect the people of a nation, and they are often unsafe places. I am curious if that paradox exists in Brazil.

Interesting thought.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2212495]Are you referring to Brazil in general, or the larger cities like Rio and Sao Paolo? The way people describe the residents of these places doesn't jibe with my experiences with Brazilian expats in the US. Then again, the average Brazilian doesn't live in the US, either. Foreigners who only visit NYC, MIA or LA will have an odd take on Americans that doesn't reflect the general population anywhere, for reasons that any American will understand. Same goes with London versus most of the UK, or Paris versus the rest of France. Large cities don't typically reflect the people of a nation, and they are often unsafe places. I am curious if that paradox exists in Brazil.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2211945]I have been to all 3, Brazil has better food and Rio is a true tropical paradise. The termas are a great set-up. You should definitely go at least once.

I feel Brazil is more dangerous. The people are not as friendly to foreigners.

All 3 have beautiful women, Bogota has the most and probably the best prices.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2212495]Are you referring to Brazil in general, or the larger cities like Rio and Sao Paolo? The way people describe the residents of these places doesn't jibe with my experiences with Brazilian expats in the US. Then again, the average Brazilian doesn't live in the US, either. Foreigners who only visit NYC, MIA or LA will have an odd take on Americans that doesn't reflect the general population anywhere, for reasons that any American will understand. Same goes with London versus most of the UK, or Paris versus the rest of France. Large cities don't typically reflect the people of a nation, and they are often unsafe places. I am curious if that paradox exists in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Well, I've been hanging out quite frequently in Rio, São Paulo, and most of Colombia for over 15 years now.

Though I respect the Woodman's Bogota knowledge and posts, I disagree with his assessment of Brazil.

The people are generally very friendly in Brazil, the women are beautiful, sexy and if you stay away from the known "high end" venues, PFP can be very cheap, not unlike Bogota itself.

Anyway, I love and enjoy Colombia, however, Brazil also has my heart.

Just wrapped up my first day in Bogota, I'll keep reporting as I have time and interest to do so. I speak minimal Spanish so that gives you some context. Much thanks to the forum and specifically Woodman, Global and Trombone for their specific help. Most of the first day is just logistics, which is also important for newbies.

I'm staying in an AirBNB about 6-7 minutes walk from Santa Fe since that's my main area to explore during this trip. It's girl friendly, a few problems here and there, like no hot water in the shower, but it's cheap. My original plan was to ask girls to walk back to my hotel with me but I learned later that even a 6 minute walk is too far for them so I didn't bother ask. Next time if I come back to Bogota I'd stay in Ibis if I was targeting the Santa Fe area. This AirBNB is also a few minutes walk to the closest ATM and shopping areas. If all these problems don't bother you and money and proximity to SF is #1 then you can message me if you want to know the place.

ATMs are easy to find so no issues there. Schwab card works great and I believe Banco Colombia doesn't charge a fee, which would be reimbursed in any case. First thing out of the airport was to buy a SIM card. There's a small tech accessories store on the second level (departures) that sells them. It was open at 6 am which is when I landed. I wanted 2 GB for 2 weeks and they sold me a 77 k COP plan from Claro. A bit expensive but I couldn't really explain what I needed and don't need. At first I didn't get internet on my phone but the store person later added an APN in my mobile data settings which fixed the problem, so make sure they add that APN info for you.

For transportation to my BNB I originally contacted a driver who offered 32 k to go to Santa Fe from the airport. However during my layover I got a message from him saying he can't make it. Actually I know Uber is cheaper anyway so that's what I opted for as his replacement. However finding the Uber was a bit troublesome. Uber drivers don't have a specific place to pick you up. Apparently there's a parking lot across door 6 on level 1 where drivers go now. Walk out of door 6 and cross 2 car lanes and you'll see the lot. My first Uber tried to tell me about the lot but I was confused by his instructions and he canceled. Second driver was more patient with me and described the lot in more detail, he found me and all was good. Final cost was 25 k COP, a bit cheaper than the private driver.

I didn't feel any altitude sickness but I did kind of feel the air was a bit thinner, making it marginally harder to breathe. Adding lower oxygen and chilly weather to a long flight can make you tired the first day. Now this BNB isn't very conveniently located as I said but I know about the [URL]Domicilios.com[/URL] app which was helpful. I think there's no English interface but the words are short and you can punch them into your translator.

My first impressions about Bogota people, I think they're more used to seeing foreigners, so for me as an Asian guy I appreciate not getting as much attention as I did in Medellin. Maybe also Medellin people look more European and I stand out more. Colombians are friendly in general but I think Medellin has Bogota beat in terms of friendliness.

I wanted to try out both the websites and SF street girls on my first day. Now Medellin has Photoprepagos and Mileroticos as well but I got most of my contacts through FB. So the FB girl experience gave me a certain expectation of service which I hoped to also find in Bogota. I spend a morning looking through PP and ME ads. I don't like doing incall so that limited my options for me. About half the girls don't do outcall at all so I started filtering on "domicilio". I also inquired about BB and as expected most of them don't do it. I know this is a taboo subject but at least know that I did get tested for the most common / dangerous stuff prior to coming. Anyways PP and ME was a lot more work I think than the FB game in Medellin. First you have to ask some girls for their face pictures, then make sure they do outcall to Santa Fe. All the FB girls I added in Medellin do outcall and show their face so that's two things I didn't have to do there. Second, for me at least, the Bogota girls on these two websites were less attractive than the MDE Paisas so that ended up filtering out even more girls. Each to their own of course.

I did find a girl who met all my requirements. Her face was hidden in the ad but she sent a face pic when I asked for it. She came on time, unlike the girls in MDE who are nearly always 1 hour or more late. But when she came it was clear she was using someone else's body photos in her ad. She weighed probably 20 lbs more than I expected. But she was at least friendly. 120 k was her standard quote and 200 k for BB which I neg'd down from 400.

At around 10 pm I went out solo in Santa Fe. I've read all the warnings regarding doing that, but although it was kind of sketchy, I didn't feel it was outright dangerous. I made sure to look around my surroundings to see if people are sneaking up on me in some way. And yes I did pull out my phone to use Google Translate. Anyways, lots of girls ranging from fat to really cute 8's. I talked to 4 girls I think, one didn't want to go my BNB and so that stopped my negotiation right there. Two are willing to go but no BB. The last girl I had to convince for like 5 minutes before she accepted. She offered 100 k for the HR outcall and I offered 200 k for BB. Venezuelan girl from Maracaibo. Her face was decent but once she took off her jacket I saw her body wasn't that great due left over baby fat. Her attitude was friendly but, not GFE at all. She spoke zero English so communication was difficult. Still we made it happen and finished with her.

It's only 1 day but so far Bogota hasn't managed to match what the Mansion and FB girls have to offer in Medellin. Do be aware that I have specific requirements, specific limitations (IE no Spanish), and tastes so everyone will have different opinions. But if things don't improve this will be my first and last trip to BOG.

BTW I also have reports for newbies and vets on Medellin, Phnom Penh, Angeles City and Shanghai. My report to comment ratio is fairly high for ISG so it's worth taking a look through my posts if you're interested in any of these cities.

On my second day I started by poking through Photoprepagos again. I like it better than Mileroticos because they've got built-in filters for independent providers. Mileroticos is flooded with agency postings and I want to talk to the girls themselves. I had an idea that Venezuelans would be more accepting of the things I'm looking for so I put in a filter for Venezuelan girls + Domicilio (outcall). I saw a posting that was around 9 days old already and hasn't been updated, but I decided to contact her anyway. Her normal rate is 110 k which I assume to be for incall. Through some negotiation she agreed to do BB if she gets paid in dollars, and after some back and forth she accepted 40 USD + 120 k COP which is equal to 240 k COP. When she came I saw that she was taller than average for a South American girl, probably 5' 7". She's 19 years old from Caracas, got a nice thin body with be sized boobs, probably a 7 on the face. She tells me she used to be a clothes model which would make sense. She was a huge upgrade from both the girls I had yesterday. The service was good overall. Learning how to filter PP for fake pictures is going to be beneficial for anyone trying to use it. If the photos look too professionally done and the face is blurred out, then I'm suspicious. Also for guys looking for VZ girls, it looks like bringing dollars could be helpful for negotiation, but I'm not sure if that's true in general. I didn't bring much USD because the Schwab card gives me better exchange rates. Mostly it's used for backup funds, but maybe next time in Colombia I would bring more just in case.

Went to SF at around 11 pm this time. Things were quite active at that time. There was a really energetic and happy looking girl who got my attention. She was also very hot and young at 18 years old. I'd probably rate her face a 9 and she has a near perfect body to go along with that. We negotiated for 200 k for BB at my BNB. Showed her my test documents and she was satisfied. She asked me to pay ahead of time. I hate doing that, and I told her, but she was adamant about it so I had to. But I got great service so it turned out well. She maintained an excellent attitude throughout our session. So the first girl I talked to worked out, which was a pleasant surprise after my experiences yesterday. Hope to find more of the same in SF in the days to come. Attached pic is of her.

I also posted some incorrect info about Banco Colombia earlier. They do charge a fee for ATM withdrawal but they don't show the fee before you make the transaction, which is why I never noticed. Today I finally paid attention to the final screen where they show the transaction summary and the tarifa of 13.2 k is shown. However since their withdrawal limit is 600 k, you get more out of your fee.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2213744]BTW I also have reports for newbies and vets on Medellin, Phnom Penh, Angeles City and Shanghai. My report to comment ratio is fairly high for ISG so it's worth taking a look through my posts if you're interested in any of these cities.

On my second day I started by poking through Photoprepagos again. I like it better than Mileroticos because they've got built-in filters for independent providers. Mileroticos is flooded with agency postings and I want to talk to the girls themselves. I had an idea that Venezuelans would be more accepting of the things I'm looking for so I put in a filter for Venezuelan girls + Domicilio (outcall). I saw a posting that was around 9 days old already and hasn't been updated, but I decided to contact her anyway. Her normal rate is 110 k which I assume to be for incall. Through some negotiation she agreed to do BB if she gets paid in dollars, and after some back and forth she accepted 40 USD + 120 k COP which is equal to 240 k COP. When she came I saw that she was taller than average for a South American girl, probably 5' 7". She's 19 years old from Caracas, got a nice thin body with be sized boobs, probably a 7 on the face. She tells me she used to be a clothes model which would make sense. She was a huge upgrade from both the girls I had yesterday. The service was good overall. Learning how to filter PP for fake pictures is going to be beneficial for anyone trying to use it. If the photos look too professionally done and the face is blurred out, then I'm suspicious. Also for guys looking for VZ girls, it looks like bringing dollars could be helpful for negotiation, but I'm not sure if that's true in general. I didn't bring much USD because the Schwab card gives me better exchange rates. Mostly it's used for backup funds, but maybe next time in Colombia I would bring more just in case.

Went to SF at around 11 pm this time. Things were quite active at that time. There was a really energetic and happy looking girl who got my attention. She was also very hot and young at 18 years old. I'd probably rate her face a 9 and she has a near perfect body to go along with that. We negotiated for 200 k for BB at my BNB. Showed her my test documents and she was satisfied. She asked me to pay ahead of time. I hate doing that, and I told her, but she was adamant about it so I had to. But I got great service so it turned out well. She maintained an excellent attitude throughout our session. So the first girl I talked to worked out, which was a pleasant surprise after my experiences yesterday. Hope to find more of the same in SF in the days to come. Attached pic is of her.

I also posted some incorrect info about Banco Colombia earlier. They do charge a fee for ATM withdrawal but they don't show the fee before you make the transaction, which is why I never noticed. Today I finally paid attention to the final screen where they show the transaction summary and the tarifa of 13.2 k is shown. However since their withdrawal limit is 600 k, you get more out of your fee.[/QUOTE]Must commend you and thank you for these reports. Very helpful to others and your a newbie here. Hats off to you. Looking forward to your more reports.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2214280]Must commend you and thank you for these reports. Very helpful to others and your a newbie here. Hats off to you. Looking forward to your more reports.

TTM.[/QUOTE]Thanks TTM, just giving back what the forum has given me!

For day 3, I wanted to check out an actual Bogota sight. I won't bore you with these details but the Candelaria district is pretty nice and I spent 3-4 hours of the afternoon there.

I think the chilly weather makes me really sleepy and lethargic so I ended up taking a nap and waking up later than I wanted to. Another crawl through SF at 11:30 pm, I think it's less active than if I went earlier, but still many girls around. I offered one girl 200 k BB and she declined and walked away immediately. Second one I offered 200 and later 220 and was rejected. Third girl, while not as pretty as the first two, had a thin body which is what I liked. I think she said she was 19 but looked older, I estimate 23-25. She accepted my offer and we went back to my place. She's a native of Bogota and lives in Tunjuelito which is in the south. I heard that area's kinda lower class so makes sense why she's working here. She says she's normally a transportation worker by day and comes here occasionally. By the way, the taxi ride from Zona Tolerancia to anywhere south of Hotel Ibis should be less than 10 k (for me it's 6 k) so if you're booked anywhere there, make sure you don't overpay.

At my apartment she asked to be paid first. That's the second time in a row I've been asked that. I didn't like it but then I thought it's possible that the local customers who take these girls up to their motels sometimes don't pay, so it makes sense for them make that their rule. She asked to see my test documents which I provided. She also asked for a tip ahead of time, which I thought was awkward, but I said if you treat me well I'll give you some extra. When she took off her bra I realized she had some huge padding in there that made her tits look 3 times as large. Before coming back to my apartment I thought I was going to see bolt-ONS but she had small natural boobs, which I prefer to fake ones. She did a pretty good job, gave me a little strip dance, brief BBBJ and a good ride. She left what looks like a birth control pill in my apartment. One of the two pills from the wrapper was already taken so she must have popped one before our session in case I came inside. I gave her a 20 k tip.

I also figured out how to get hot water from the shower. It looks like there's a device on the shower head that heats water as it passes through, so if you turn the knob high, the device can't heat up the water fast enough and you get lukewarm water. May be helpful info for those looking to book other BNBs and experience the same issue.

I want to point out that this apartment is pretty good once I figured out the hot water thing. Most of the girls commented how clean it is and being close to SF helps convince girls to do outcalls. Thanks to Global00 who also uses this studio for confirming its quality.

Day 4.

Around 10 am I called up the Photoprepagos Venezuelan girl from day 2. Since she told me she was a model earlier I took a chance and asked if she'd do a private video for me. I offered 300 k. She said OK as long as I didn't get her face in there, so I was pleasantly surprised. She came in about half an hour. Obviously we knew better what to expect from each other so it was more comfortable for both of us. She was pretty freaky, twerking her ass while lip syncing to her favorite songs playing on YouTube. She came from DATY and I proceeded to have an excellent GFE session from her. Gave her 20 k for taxi home.

I keep wanting to sleep due to the chilly weather and woke up at 9 pm which is a little later than I wanted. Sundays seem to be an off day for most Colombians. I didn't notice it when I was in Medellin but that's probably because I didn't pay attention. Either that or the El Poblado businesses are touristy and open on Sundays. Well here at least businesses are largely closed except McDonalds other chain / tourist shops. This also means that I should have got up earlier. The original plan was to check out the SF clubs but I thought it was better to wait for another day to do that. Hit SF again at 10 pm but this time I went to the south of Zona Tolerancia around Calle 19 and headed north. Thanks to the FAQs I knew to expect trannies there so I avoided them, hoping to find a gem around the edges of the zone. Unlike in the Philippines the TSs are easy to tell in Colombia. You start seeing actual girls around Calle 20 but none of the girls there are good looking. Possibly the southern end of the zone is the lower-end of the low-end? I don't know if that's true but no one worth talking to during my walk until around Calle 21 and 22. I saw a couple of cute ones around an intersection but neither of them want to do outcall. Walking further north, I saw two girls one sitting on top of the other one's lap having some food. Both are pretty but one was cuter and more energetic so I made my offer, 200 k for BB. She accepted more easily than I thought, which probably meant that my initial offer was more than she would have taken. But anyways, it wouldn't have been a huge savings. Speaking to her some more, she's a 19 year old Venezuelan from Valencia. She's been in Bogota for 2 months. Fuck Maduro but he certainly has made the monger life easier in Bogota. Like the previous VZ girl she doesn't like the cold weather of this city.

Back in my apartment she also asked to be paid first. I got used to it so I just asked her to treat me well. And treat me well she did, lots of kissing, touching, engaging me with small talk. She has an extraordinarily cute face with big anime girl eyes. She made this unexpected comment about how I would like a "morena" girl like her. Well first she's not really a morena as far as I understand the meaning. She's got the typical tan Latina skin. Second maybe she thought Asian guys don't like Latinas, which is totally untrue. She loves cock and asked me to fuck her harder during our session. She took my cock in her mouth at the end of our session and I mistook that for allowing me to CIM, but that wasn't the case and she used her hands to finish. Fair enough. Still that was the most genuine feeling GFE session I had since I came here. 20 k for her taxi, she wanted more but I told her I'd call her again, which I probably will.

On the subject of altitude sickness, I came across something on the Quito thread that hit me as significant. Sildenafil (Viagra) is medically proven to be useful in dealing with altitude sickness. I'm guessing some of you might have already known this, but I expect others were not aware of that.

I was wondering if it was actually a bad idea to take Viagra / Sildenafil at if you have altitude sickness. But, when it was noted as beneficial on a different thread, I had to google the topic. To my surprise, the clinical evidence supported the idea:

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962063[/URL]

WebMD had this article on how it was tested in extreme scenarios where elevation was hazardous.

[URL]https://www.webmd.com/men/news/20050201/viagra-may-help-severe-altitude-sickness[/URL]#1.

Iron supplements may be helpful with altitude sickness, as well.

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19809026[/URL]

Also this article alludes to the use of Nitric Oxide supplements. I am assuming they are referring to L-Arginine supplements. Myself, I take L-Arginine daily, specifically for cardi-vascular health and also because it boosts your performance during workouts. I took a L-Aginine stack with L-Cirtruline prior to hitting the gym this morning. Beet and pomegranate juices also release Nitric Oxide into the bloostream, as well. Technically these can assist with getting a hard-on though they are not going to completely supplant ED drugs. Be skeptical of the hype about pomegranate juice being "liquid Viagra". They work differently as far as increasing blood flow. And there is one caveat to that. Combining Sildenafil with pomegranate juice can possibly result in a dangerous drop in blood pressure. That's because you have two powerful agents that impact your blood flow in your system at the same time, though not necessarily working hand-in-hand.

And then there is the case of the guys who got the hard-on that wouldn't quit:

[URL]https://www.t-nation.com/supplements/tip-drink-this-for-stronger-erections[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3355694/[/URL]

I guess they got the porn stud experience, the hard way (pun intended).

Grapefruit juice also can also impact the effects of Sildenafil:

[URL]https://www.health.harvard.edu/family-health-guide/grapefruit-and-medication-a-cautionary-note[/URL]

Although the article linked about ends with this note: "Sildenafil (Viagra) is of special interest to men. The clinical information is incomplete, but men who take Viagra should be aware that grapefruit juice might boost blood levels of the drug. That could be a good thing for some men with erectile dysfunction, but it could trigger headaches, flushing, or low blood pressure."

While I am off on this tangent, I came across this, as well. This might be of interest to those with diabetes or those who aren't responding well to treatments of Sildenafil.

[URL]https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/489367[/URL]

Apparently some who don't respond to Sildenafil can get a bit of help with Carnitine supplements. For those who are wondering, L-Carnitine is an non-essential amino acid that is still pretty good to have as a supplement if you are not eating much meat. I try to limit my red meat intake for health purposes. L-carnitine is a regular supplement I began to take as it is also linked to testosterone production (another important aspect of aging). Here another article talks about its practical usage with ED drugs:

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16286128[/URL]

So, while I'm off onto that tangent, here is an overview of what nutritional supplements do assist with erections:

[URL]https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/which-supplements-help-with-erectile-dysfunction/erectile_dysfunction/[/URL]

I'm curious what "test documents " are.

[QUOTE=Fuddzie;2214772]I'm curious what "test documents " are.[/QUOTE]My local testing center, operated by the county govt, gives you a stamped piece of paper showing your STD results. I referenced it back on my earlier reports. It looks pretty official (and it is), so it ended up being useful.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2214777]My local testing center, operated by the county govt, gives you a stamped piece of paper showing your STD results. I referenced it back on my earlier reports. It looks pretty official (and it is), so it ended up being useful.[/QUOTE]This is actually a note on your trip report, rather than your test results. The sleepiness you're experiencing is likely due to the altitude, rather than the cooler weather.