Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2981602]Years ago something similar happened to me. Had unplanned meeting in coffee shop and ended up spending the next 12 days with her, except for 8 hours on 9 days when she had to do her accounting job. This was a relationship, not P4P. We did a lot of window shopping, but she never let me buy anything for her. When I had to leave Thailand, I put 20,000 baht in her purse and then I left town. An hour later she calls me and complains about me giving money. She tried to make arrangements to send money back to me via Western Union, but I played it as a birthday gift, which was about 3 weeks into the future.

Most Thai women are not hookers, many support themselves and are insulted when money is offered. My case above is unusual because she didn't let me buy gifts for her, I've never had another Thai woman turn down gifts.[/QUOTE]A tip for next time, if you really want to give money to a thai woman, but not directly: go to one of the many gold shops scattered around any town, and spend those 20,000 on a necklace or something. After you've left the woman can get almost all of those 20,000 back from any gold shop in exchange for the necklace.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2981604]A tip for next time, if you really want to give money to a thai woman, but not directly: go to one of the many gold shops scattered around any town, and spend those 20,000 on a necklace or something. After you've left the woman can get almost all of those 20,000 back from any gold shop in exchange for the necklace.[/QUOTE]Good idea, I forgot about that! The shop keeper will even give her a paper that suppossedly makes it easier for her to get the cash after I've left town.

Does anybody know how much loss is incurred when we do this? 5%? 10% 20%

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981534]I am glad you are having a good time there. However, the majority of guys won't feel comfortable there as they can't understand or speak any Thai. Most guys will be going there with one goal in mind, and that is to fuck one of the girls there. You have been 6 times and I don't think you have even pulled the trigger yet. If your Thai language ability being almost non existent is not the reason for that then so be it. But if you are not fucking any of the girls there yet because of your Thai not being good enough, then you have just proven my point with all the stuff you just said in your post.

If you go with a Thai speaker you will accomplish the following:

1. No misunderstandings over the bill.

2. No misunderstandings about a girl that maybe will only drink with you and not go to fuck you because they never went with a foreigner before. Seen that here plenty of times. Had guys come over and ask me for help.

3. You will have more fun with the girls as you can actually communicate without using your phone all the time.

I guess "having a good time" means different things for different people. For most, it will mean going ST with one of the girls here and having a good experience on the bed with her. IMHO.[/QUOTE]So if you don't speak Thai should you give it a pass? Its not far from my hotel so I was thinking of checking it out but if translate app and english won't get me far I don't want to waste time and money.

[QUOTE=Aimless;2981319]As the room is very much laid out and acts like a (horse) racetrack, with home stretch, far turn, backstretch, clubhouse turn, and even a chute (toilet) and infield, lets cancel my back 40 comment and call it the backstretch. Cheers! A.[/QUOTE]If you're talking about the back of the bar in the area where the chairs are and the girls all sit along the back wall and the back bar, that area is replete with Young girls. The so-called Clubhouse turn would be where some of the older ladies are. Then it gets young again up to the air conditioner and front couch.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2981648]Good idea, I forgot about that! The shop keeper will even give her a paper that suppossedly makes it easier for her to get the cash after I've left town.

Does anybody know how much loss is incurred when we do this? 5%? 10% 20%[/QUOTE]There is no loss. Gold is a commodity. They weigh it and charge a $15 commission each way. You can literally look the price up online and that is the price you should be charged anywhere.

In the States, stores charge an arbitrary price that could be up to 6 times what it is worth. That is like me selling you a $20 bill for $120. Who the hell would do that? But there, you can walk into a store and see a sign that says they are having a sale on gold. This means they have usually set the price at 6 times what it is worth, but tolday will only charge you 4 times what it is worth.

Have you ever gone to the gas station and saw them having a sale on gas? No, because crude oil has a spot price. The difference in price that you see at the pump is based on taxes and the real estate where the station is sitting. But if you buy a barrel of oil then it should cost the same anywhere on the planet, same as a gram of gold.

When my jeweler in Pattaya makes a piece for me, he charges the exact same price for the gold that can be found online, plus his fee for the work.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2981681]If you're talking about the back of the bar in the area where the chairs are and the girls all sit along the back wall and the back bar, that area is replete with Young girls. The so-called Clubhouse turn would be where some of the older ladies are. Then it gets young again up to the air conditioner and front couch.[/QUOTE]I disagree and am sticking with my description of the layout as-is and that the backstretch has a higher density of oldies. I usually stand at the clubhouse turn where there is an AC unit / filter that I park my drink on, and a booth that is usually occupied by shy young girls on the outside of the turn next to the bar entrance / exit door. The inside rail of the clubhouse turn toward the infield usually has a mix of young and old that has continued from the backstretch. I agree that the far turn is usually packed with young ones. I often find the rare one that meets my expectations there but am always too afraid to talk to them since they never make eye contact like the older and less desirable ladies.

So last night H found a group of little karaoke bars near his hotel. I went out and joined him. The girls were all lined up outside the bar on the sidewalk. H was hesitant since our Thai is limited but I said YOLO lets go, we'll get by, and I've found that the vast majority of "Thai Only" places usually have at least one person that speaks really good English. We ran the gauntlet of girls on the sidewalk eyeballing them carefully under the bright awning lights. I love the ability to really see the girls unlike the dimly lit bars. Most were chubby and meh at like 4/5 with no serious stunners IMHO, but I approached one mamasan and asked if she spoke English. She pointed to the girl next to her, T. T looked up and in almost perfect fluent English said "what can I do for you?" I asked what was going on here. She said its karaoke. 5 B per song. Girl is 240/ HR. Beer is 120/ bottle. I loved the communication so I grabbed T even though she didn't meet my eye candy expectations. H grabbed a slightly chubby but super cute and bubbly young one. We went into the bar that only had about 8 booths. T and I sat across from H and his girl. We didn't sing any karaoke, but ordered some beers and just started to get to know our girls. T translated which was super helpful. Both girls were very nice. T said that these girls in the bar don't do ST (sure LOL), but still, H's girl seemed very naive so it could be true, at least for her. H kept telling me how much he liked his girl as they leaned on each other and held hands, and sure enough within 15 minutes they were fully making out like high school kids. T and I giggled and enjoyed watching them as we talked about our kids and family life. It was obvious that they both were crazy about each other. After about an hour I told them that I needed to settle the bill and leave so I could go home and get some sleep. I paid my half (1300 B in total) and dipped out. The next day, H told me that his girl came home with him and even video chatted with her family to introduce him! She also put hickies all over his neck and left her long hair conspicuously all over his apartment to mark her territory. It sure sounds like he's all wifed up at this point. He is really happy so its all good. Good times! Cheers! A.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981534]I am glad you are having a good time there. However, the majority of guys won't feel comfortable there as they can't understand or speak any Thai. Most guys will be going there with one goal in mind, and that is to fuck one of the girls there. You have been 6 times and I don't think you have even pulled the trigger yet. If your Thai language ability being almost non existent is not the reason for that then so be it. But if you are not fucking any of the girls there yet because of your Thai not being good enough, then you have just proven my point with all the stuff you just said in your post.

If you go with a Thai speaker you will accomplish the following:

1. No misunderstandings over the bill.

2. No misunderstandings about a girl that maybe will only drink with you and not go to fuck you because they never went with a foreigner before. Seen that here plenty of times. Had guys come over and ask me for help.

3. You will have more fun with the girls as you can actually communicate without using your phone all the time.

I guess "having a good time" means different things for different people. For most, it will mean going ST with one of the girls here and having a good experience on the bed with her. IMHO.[/QUOTE]

Agreed that it totally comes down to personal preferences. All we can do is lay out the facts and our opinions for other mongers so they can decide for themselves. I'm perfectly comfortable and have loads of fun in a Thai only place practicing my Thai and using my translator, and dealing with all the unintended consequences / difficulties, but I don't feel comfortable pulling anyone for ST under any circumstances anywhere at this point. On the other hand my visiting buddy is super hesitant about approaching a venue with no ability to communicate, but once there, he's not shy at all about pulling many girls for ST, so its totally a case of YMMV. But you're right, I have yet to pull any girl for ST since I arrived months ago so that will bias the facts and opinions that I present.

My diagram is terrible but here you go.

1. Entrance: a bunch of late 203-30's hardened roboboobers hang by the door.

2. Bar.

3. Desk.

4. Long Termers more professional, higher on the heirarchy.

5. Booth with various up to 30 ish, Jap chasersyoung ones sprinkled.

6. The more asian oriented girls here, youngish, standing up to the corner of.

7. The entrance to the cans, youner amatuers here yo.

8+9 Back wall younger girl.

10 Back alcove girls, usually older.

11. Mid 20's girls, asian oriented.

12. Older one.

13. Older to younger.

14. Young, Asian oriented.

15. AC, girls at corner and back table (16), frequently young with GPS.

17. Front of inner bar, old ones.

18. Left corner of ineer bar, older to mid 20's /.

19. Same, mixture.

20. Ditto.

21. Young ones.

The two XXs aree rows of chairs. There will be girls on both sides.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=TheNull1;2981657]So if you don't speak Thai should you give it a pass? Its not far from my hotel so I was thinking of checking it out but if translate app and english won't get me far I don't want to waste time and money.[/QUOTE]If you don't have much time + it's your first or second time in Thailand + you don't speak Thai, then there are better places. The girls in places like nana plaza and on sukhumvit in general are used to foreigners, especially farang, and are used to their behavior & cultural differences. Some of them even enjoy those differences. T-ded and Thai-oriented places are a different game. If you are farang, you will be the first farang most girls there have ever talked to, much less fucked, and if you don't know how Thais approach these places, you risk coming off too strong or pissing people off by making them lose face. For example, the "norm" is you sit and drink for an hour or two and get to know the girl, and initially there's more emphasis on enjoying yourselves+drinking / going with the flow than sex, which is why Thai guys usually come to these places in groups and only half of them take girls out (regardless, I find most girls make it pretty clear whether they want to go ST with you within the first 10 minutes). Then after a few drinks it usually devolves into making out, groping or more, and then stumbling towards the short-time hotel together. The norm is not to go straight up to a random girl or mama-san there and start listing off your long list of fetishes or demands such as CIM, BBFS, no silicone, no baby damage, blah blah blah, as many farang do, followed by a million questions and then god forbid start yelling or raising your voice when people ignore you or laugh at you.

That being said, if your hotel is nearby, you only live once! Stop by Zeed Club too, which is 2 doors down from t-ded, they are nicer / more forgiving (if only because they know they cannot match t-ded in terms of girl quality / quantity).

My crew was laggy and flaky last night, so I headed out on my own for a brief recon mission. I tried to walk through Soi Cowboy, but it's still flooded (feels like more than a week now) from a broken pipe in one of the restaurants, so the foot traffic is terrible. Why the heck they don't lay down a full track of black plastic grid over the entire flooded area is beyond my comprehension. I backtracked and went straight to Sukhumvit to head over to Thermae.

Thermae was the most packed with guys I've ever seen. The girls were friendly enough, and I felt like I got more eye contact and smiles from the younger and prettier ones than I normally do. I walked a few laps, but since there was absolutely no place to stand, I dipped out.

I then walked down to Nana to check out Billboards. It's really big and very nice but was packed -- almost standing room only. I bought a drink and was squeezed between an Indian guy and a couple of Japanese guys, who were all very friendly. There was no pressure to buy lady drinks, or any other drinks for myself. I love that lack of purchase pressure. I agree with others that the girl quality is good here, and the girls seem to have a good attitude. There was also no shortage of girls. Unlike at other bars, the girls generally have a good attitude and are actually dancing on the stages and smiling as opposed to just standing there looking bored and sullen, and I agree that the rotating stages are a refreshing addition that allows you to really see the girls from all angles for those of us who are crazy picky. The lighting was decent too, unlike the toilet run lineup area at TDed. Lady drinks were quoted as 220 at Billboards, which is certainly better than the 400 quoted at Crazy House. The only deal-killer for me is that they have ashtrays all over the place and obviously permit smoking, as if the Bangkok air quality isn't bad enough already. The ventilation was good, so I think the best bet would be to go early before the crowd arrives to monger in a more smoke-free and less crowded environment, which I will try next time.

I left after about 1/2 an hour and was going home, but my buddy texted and recommended that I check out Wonderland one floor down and across from Billboards, which is his fav. I walked over and peeked in. I was surprised how small it was, a fraction of the size of Billboards. The lights were bright so I could really see the girls, which was a good thing, but they all looked very light-skinned with lots of plastic surgery, as if they were trying to be Korean. This isn't my thing even though they all seemed slim and pretty, so I didn't stay.

I hung out texting with my buddies near the entrance of a bar that said "Full Moon" on the outside, just past Wonderland and next to the stairs, and noticed about 10 "Hello," girls standing outside in black. Several were young and very cute, so I made a mental note to go back.

That is all.

Cheers, A.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2981604]A tip for next time, if you really want to give money to a thai woman, but not directly: go to one of the many gold shops scattered around any town, and spend those 20,000 on a necklace or something. After you've left the woman can get almost all of those 20,000 back from any gold shop in exchange for the necklace.[/QUOTE]Better yet send her kid to a better stool. 20'000 tuition for 1 year.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2981602]Years ago something similar happened to me. Had unplanned meeting in coffee shop and ended up spending the next 12 days with her, except for 8 hours on 9 days when she had to do her accounting job. This was a relationship, not P4P. We did a lot of window shopping, but she never let me buy anything for her. When I had to leave Thailand, I put 20,000 baht in her purse and then I left town. An hour later she calls me and complains about me giving money. She tried to make arrangements to send money back to me via Western Union, but I played it as a birthday gift, which was about 3 weeks into the future.

Most Thai women are not hookers, many support themselves and are insulted when money is offered. My case above is unusual because she didn't let me buy gifts for her, I've never had another Thai woman turn down gifts.[/QUOTE]There's always exceptions to the MAIN rule.

Obviously you thought she was a Bargirl.

Incredible Intel here. Major props for that report. I am visiting Bangkok this weekend for a short 2. 5 day trip. Need some sure bets for companionship and have put in my time talking to girls on [URL]Seeking.com[/URL], researching soapy / nuru places, and finally chekcing out the known escort agenices. Based on reviews off ***, I have stumbled onto Smooci which seems pretty amazing in what it has for the price. Lesbian show threesomes for 3 hours at less than 10,000 thb. The reviews of the girls I found are great. Any advice for using Smooci?

I have spent way too much time researching all this to cram in as much P4 P as I can. Leaning mostly Smooci at this point. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2980035]Do not overthink your stay or you will have a terrible time and use all pricing as a guide that you read about here. Pay more or less sometimes and it will all even out in the end.

Overview of Bangkok options.

So many debates and so many questions in my private messages and in the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.

With the digital world taking over and the ladies continually glued to their phones, there is no doubt that it is the best place to find P4 P. I personally prefer We Chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, and Tinder.

WE Chat is quite easy as everything is out in the open, but watch out for ladyboys. The ladies all post very clearly what their intentions are. It is the other sites that are a little more challenging. There is a people nearby feature that can be used to track down the girls near you. Within about 15 KM. We chat is completely free and all the rest of them offer free options and paid options to enhance your experience. For the sake of this post, I will use Thai Friendly as the example as it is the most popular and widely discussed on this board and is the only one that is worth paying for in my opinion in Bangkok if you are looking for P4 P. First, I will clear up all the misconceptions for everyone. Regular members can message once every 10 minutes but if the girl is too popular, free accounts cannot message her. The premium account comes with unlimited massaging to all members with no waiting time between sent messages and your messages are put at the top of the lady's inbox. You can also hide things like your online status and joined date. These are valuable tools. Well worth the 800 baht per month. For all you skeptics, any decent looking lady gets thousands of messages each day. If you don't believe me, ask the next girl you chat with. She will tell you she just can't reply to everyone so having your message go to the top of her inbox, is an excellent advantage over being a free member. The BKK section is about 50% normal girls and 50% P4 P, don't talk with me about Pattaya as this is not the Pattaya thread. However, it is not easy to unlock 100% of the P4 P ladies. Some only do it part time and some are selective. For the hottest girls, search 18-24 year old. From there, send a message saying "Do you want to make money? With this proven method, you will score. The university girls looking for a quick tuition fix are your targets. They will offer the best GFE with mostly no mention of a condom. You can get them for 3-4 K baht for the night, LT. This is strictly P4 P guys. I have other methods I use to find the good ladies for short or long time girlfriends. Finally, mongers get so obsessed with Line. Line is not any magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just heir preferred method of contact.

Next, freelancers and the bar scene. I frequent the Hillary bars, Levels, Flamingo and Mixx. Climax used to be the go to place, but it closed for some time. It is now open again just recently. However, I have not been back yet. As for Thermae, It mainly appeals to the Japanese crowd if that's your thing, please know It is hit and miss for most farangs. 3000ST is the average. Never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you will lose all control.

Next, massage shops. I choose Snow White for the hands down best PSE / GFE experience. Every time I get multiple pops with BBFS and sometimes CIP. The prices are approximately 1,900 baht for 1 hour, 2,300 baht for 90 minutes, and 2,500 baht for 2 hours. I never pay upfront. However, I always get BBFS there but CIP only 50% of the time with a tip of around 1000 baht I am not a fan of A+, but it is available with about 70% of the ladies. When I am looking for the kind of Thai girls who normally go with Asians, I go to Ratchada, Rama 9, Sukhumvit Soi 31,33. For other areas, there is Soi 26, Soi 24, and Soi 24/1. The famous Tulip is opposite Soi 55 Thonglor on Sukhumvit. This place has seen better days through. This meaning the lineup can be god awful to average, but never like ti used to be. For anyone looking for Dao, she is now at Snow White. Honorable mention goes to Mango on Soi 24. Decent lineup every day that is consistent and by paying a little bit more, you can get BBFS with most of the girls.

Go go bars and bars with bar fines. In Soi Cowboy, Crazy House. The bar fine for me has always been 800-1000 Baht and I love this place for the nude dancing. However, there is a constant pressure to buy lady drinks, which may not appeal to some of the guys. Beware of this lady drink hustle, as you may buy a few while the lady has another customer lined up for a bar fine. I always choose my girl and then negotiate the bar fine first. Then I pay the bar fine and sit and relax with the girl and drink. I often go ST for 3000 to the ST room at the end of the soi or LT to my condo for 4-5 K baht depending on the girls rates. Keep in mind, I mostly never discuss rates with the girls and give them these prices as they are the going rates and fair plus a tip if they take care of me well. Additionally, I almost always get what I want such as BBFS. I think a lot of that has to do with my easy going attitude. While drinking before we go, she can then have as many lady drinks as she wants. Keep note, with the many complaints of bill padding, the bar now asks you to sign every bill as you order and drink. 80% of the time, I have a good experience. In my humble opinion, the rest of Soi Cowboy is a waste of time. Maybe Baccara is worth a visit still, but that's it. The rest of the bars are full of drink queens and inconsistent line ups.

My go to places in Nana are Butterflies and Billboard. I mostly follow the same rules here. Billboard being the one where I refuse to buy lady drinks for any girl until after I have paid my bar fine. As for the bars, I like to go to many of the small bars on Soi 4, Morning Night and the many Hillary bars. Bar fines are about 700 baht and you can sometimes find a diamond in the ruff at these places. 80% of the time, I drank with the girls, then paid their bar fine, and took them for ST or LT and got a real GFE with BBFS and CIP. I always pay 3000ST and around 5000 LT plus a tip. Again, never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, lets you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. I used to frequent Patpong, but I have not been back since before covid.

Some honorable mentions: The Soi 7 beer bars. They can be dead awful to amazing depending on the day. There is also Soi 22 where you will find a ton of massage shops and small bars at the top of the Soi and tucked into almost all of the side soils. There is also a little small bar and massage area that I have been to on Soi 20/1 that is quite fun. Then there is Soi 8 that houses a few BJ bars and massage shops, a small road off Asok that houses Som's Heaven with a new name I have forgotten, and the Soi 23 massage shops. I would not suggest picking up off the street, but if that's your thing, across from Nana Plaza in the hotel car park by the ATMs there are street hookers and also ones outside of Thermae.

Foreign working girls. If anyone knows me, they know I love Viet women. I find them on WE chat. Start your search using the people nearby function on Lower Sukhumvit. You will find them for 3500ST during the day which is a bargain compared to what they ask in the bars. However, the experience will vary and mostly depends on YMMV. They are aggressive and hungry for money so they will say anything to get you in their bed and most will ask you to pay first. Use your best judgement but keep this in mind: Never ever ever ever pay upfront under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. The Africans are sticking to Tinder these days, or trolling the streets, but I would advise against hiring any of them.

Moving to escort agencies. I never use them, end of story. I do not think it is necessary. Why,? Because you can call delivery over by using Thai Friendly or Tinder. I strongly suggest the upgrade to premium as I said above to eliminate the 10 minute waiting time. I know about the search work around to message the most popular girls, but who wants to mess with this to save the 800 Baht. Be careful who you message. Feel them out first, as there are a lot of normal girls on TF in Bangkok. Unlike Pattaya where 90% on TF are looking for customers. Do not ask "What are you looking for" Introduce yourself. Tell them whether you are on holiday or working here. Ask them what their job is. This will get you the info you want to know. However, you will know straight away with about 15%. It will be clear what they are looking for on their profile. However, don't be fooled. Some working girls will write they are looking for relationships, but they are still ready and willing to give it up for the baht. This is expanded more from the section I wrote above with another tip on finding out if they are willing to play if you are not comfortable with the "Do you want to make money" question.

Now, the local scene. For this, I use X, the Pimp, and T-Ded-99. The Pimp is located in Town and Town and T-Ded 99 is located in the Saphan Kwai bar area on Suthisan Rd. This takes some Thai language skills and some patience.

Let's start Thai Sideline girls. Now you can still find them on X. This will be hit and miss as most ladies will ignore farngs. Be polite but it is a crap shoot. Most encounters will happen in ST rooms that the girl will rent for the entire day to entertain clients or you will need to meet the girl at a local hotel of her choosing. This will be a completely different experience as the ladies will be dick scared and shy because of not speaking English. Service level will be a crap shoot, as well, but generally be cheaper than what we as expats normally pay. On average 800 Baht to 1500 Baht ST. Often, you will be trying to book through an admin who manages multiple ladies through several mobile phone and Line OA business accounts. What I like is they will send you a bunch of photos and a more accurate description of what's on offer with photos that don't have the face hidden and some are on the website. If you can speak Thai like me, you will do really well and get BBFS. If not, if you are on holiday, you will waste too much time. For expats, time is not really an issue.

The Pimp is a gentlemen's club in the Town in Town area of BKK. It caters to mostly older married Thai men with money who like to step out on their wives. If you are a cheap Charlie, this is not the place for you. However, the ladies are all white skinned, and clinically beautiful and sexy. You can choose a membership which includes sets of bottles or you can pay as you go. The drink sets normally start around 4000 Baht+++ They often have great promotions for non- members. Be sure to go with a group of friends to share the costs. As for the ladies, you pay a fee of 1000-2000 baht for the first hour. This depends on the category of the lady. She will drink with you for that hour, wipe your ass for you when you go to the toilet, feed you snacks, dance with you, let you grope her, kiss you, feel you up, jack you over your pants, but she won't openly go with you outside for sex. Every additional hour is 500 baht. If you want a girl to go with you, you must discreetly discuss it during your time together. If she agrees, it will be a minimum of 6000ST but probably more. I have paid 6 K and as high as now 20 K for ST. They are used to old Thai men with money so the sex will be hit and miss but you can know that you will be fucking a real stunner. Not all will be starfishes either.

Next is T-Ded-99. When you walk in to the entrance in the corner by 7/11, you will see a huge room with a long stage that goes from one end to the other. The first lot of girls sit at the far end in some booths, about 50 or so, while others sit with customers and dance on stage, some topless at times. All around the outside there are Karaoke VIP rooms. Then there is a small hallway leading to another area of Karaoke rooms, which is on the way to the bathrooms. It is in this area where there is a long bench against the walls that wraps around the corridor and goes along the back hallway all the way to the bathrooms. It is on this long bench where all the other girls sit waiting to be either chosen as guys walk by or be brought out in huge groups to show the guys sitting down in the booths or in the karaoke rooms. There are literally 150 girls in this back area alone, plus around 50 or so girls sitting in the booths and maybe another 20 or so already with customers. If you walk and and sit down, you would not know they were even there until you walked to the bathrooms. Most foreigners go there for the first time and walk in and out as they don't think there are any girls. They are sadly mistaken. After choosing your girl, we sat down and drank beer. Large bottles of Heineken, ate fries, mango, and chicken fried rice. One of the last few times I was there I chose a girl and she sat with me for 3 hours. Then after I took her to the ST hotel across the road. Now, the pricing. All the food, about 5-6 large Heinekens, and the cost of the girl to sit with me was in total, 1900 baht. There are no lady drinks in this place. Just a small sitting fee of about 200 Baht per hour, maybe a little less. The lady drinks and eats whatever you order. Then comes the cost of the girl to take out to the hotel. It's very easy to figure here. It's 2500 baht including the hotel. My girl's name was Kao. She is 22 years old with no baby and nice see cups. We showered together and then onto the bed. Lot's of steamy sex in all positions and a nice CIP finish. Total cost was 4400 baht. However, this place is so fun and cheap, I tipped a bunch of the staff plus the girl was given a healthy tip for her bedroom activities being pretty much the same as a GF. BBFSCIP. I often see the odd other western foreigner in there, but they always look completely lost and don't last long. The quite a few Chinese guys and the rest are all Thai. You will need to speak some Thai in this place to make things much easier, so I would suggest going with a Thai friend if you can't speak Thai. So, just to summarize, the cost was 4400 Baht not including the tips I gave to the staff and my girl. Therefore, it was closer to about 10 K all in. You don't need to be the same as me though. A comparable night in go go plus the ST with the lady would most likely be much higher. I compare this to a go go because that's what it really is.

About the Line App. Guys, Line is not a mythical and magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just their preferred method of contact. The people nearby search function is not available if you have your line account downloaded from another country where that feature is not available. Thailand is one of those places where it is not available. However, if you come from a country such as the USA where it is available, you can use it in Thailand but there will be no Thai girls there. If there are some, they probably are visiting from another country or for whatever reason, their Apple ID or google Play store account are not from Thailand. So, to be clear, this search function is not available in Thailand!

This is just my personal experience in Bangkok and it may not be the same as others. However, I have been very successful at achieving my mongering goals. Don't get me wrong though. I have made my share of mistakes too. The best way to prevent those is to RTFF. That's what it is here for.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to repeat the whole report, but wonderland is a ladyboy bar.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2981820]My diagram is terrible but here you go.

1. Entrance: a bunch of late 203-30's hardened roboboobers hang by the door.

2. Bar.

3. Desk.

4. Long Termers more professional, higher on the heirarchy.

5. Booth with various up to 30 ish, Jap chasersyoung ones sprinkled.

6. The more asian oriented girls here, youngish, standing up to the corner of.

7. The entrance to the cans, youner amatuers here yo.

8+9 Back wall younger girl.

10 Back alcove girls, usually older.

11. Mid 20's girls, asian oriented.

12. Older one.

13. Older to younger.

14. Young, Asian oriented.

15. AC, girls at corner and back table (16), frequently young with GPS.

17. Front of inner bar, old ones.

18. Left corner of ineer bar, older to mid 20's /.

19. Same, mixture.

20. Ditto.

21. Young ones.

The two XXs aree rows of chairs. There will be girls on both sides.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Where on the map are you?