Some clarification on Tashkent
I'm a long-term resident of Tashkent; sure there are things and places I haven't yet discovered, but still let me clarify a few things.
LEGAL ISSUES
You are legally obliged to always carry your passport. However, in general, the police doesn't bother foreigners on the streets. If you decide to use the metro, be aware that it's 80% likely you'll have to show your documents to some policemen. No need to worry though: As far as I can tell, the times in which they'd make you trouble to get a bribe are over. Usually they're just young guys from some villages and they'll be mainly just curious to browse through your passport and look at your visa, stamps, and all that.
If you don't have your passport with you, always tell that it's at the hotel. Don't speak too good Russian if you say anything - even if you speak Russian, pretend to speak it very poorly, and say for example "passport gostinitsa". That's wrong grammar, and that's exactly what you should use.
GETTING AROUND
Flagging taxis on the streets is easy, and usually not dangerous. Every car is a potential taxi. Use your common sense: Don't enter a car with more than one person inside. And even if only one person is inside, just have a look at him, and if you feel anyhow insecure, shake your head, walk off, and flag the next one.
A taxi ride in the city centre doesn't cost more than 2000 Uzbek sum. If you're a complete foreigner (=you don't speak any Russian), go for 3000.
Generally, Tashkent is a city that's easy to navigate and easy to get around in. If you are friendly, almost everybody you'll meet will be friendly. Smile, and in case it's necessary play naive.
In case you get into any trouble on the streets, make noise, make a mess. If anyone is nearby, it's very likely they'll come to help you. Most people in Tashkent are genuinely friendly and take great pride of their country's friendliness to foreigners. However, it is of course as always a good idea to avoid trouble if walking around alone at night: Tashkent's streets can be quite deserted at night. Stick to the main streets preferably, where people and cars are always near. If you're drunk, take a taxi home.
GENERAL TIPS:
Even though many lads here refer to the Islamic character of Uzbekistan, I myself can't agree to any of that for Tashkent. As long as you are in the city, you will probably encounter less of the cliche Islamic lifestyle than you would in some districts of Berlin, Paris or London.
However, if you're here for hunting, it is very helpful to develop the skill to distinct between Uzbek and Russian girls. Uzbeks tend to be more conservative, while Russians are... well, Russians, even if with a slightly conservative twist compared to their ethnic sisters in Russia or Ukraine etc.
Generally, Tashkent is a very safe city (I visited some 45 countries and consider Tashkent one of the safest places I've seen). You will not encounter any serious problems related to religion here. Tashkent is a liberal, mainly unreligious place (not least because the authoritarian government fights religious movements in a very tough way...). You will notice that girls wear short skirts, and nobody cares. Most people drink alcohol, there are no restrictions regarding this.
The main danger might be traffic. Many of the people who drive cars in Tashkent never actually learnt how to drive, and anyway many are a little overdosed with testosterone. Drivers tend to ignore red lights, drive reckless, and all that. It's wise to be a little careful as a pedestrian, and it's also wise to have a look at taxi drivers - just to check whether they're drunk. Many are.
SW:
There's no big SW scene in Tashkent actually. As many have written, Amir Temur park is a place for SW. It's better visited in the afternoon and early evening hours though - even though it's usually rather safe also at night, it might be better not to walk around there at night too much as a foreigner. Not only because of problems with other people in the park, but also because the police might have more than just an eye on you at night. Amir Temur park is a relaxed place during the day. If you come from Broadway, the SW area is behind the statue and slightly to your right. You can just sit on a bench, read a newspaper, or stand around - after a few minutes you'll know who is a SW and who is not. Prices are still anywhere between 20 and 80$, depending on how foreign you are (=whether you speak Russian or you don't). As a foreigner with basic command of Russian, expect 40 to 50$. That's a little more expensive than normal, but at the same time, paying a little more than strictly necessary will help you to stay away from trouble.
Also, SW can sometimes be found on Shota Rustaveli street, the main street that leads southwards from the centre. The area to check out is between the Uzbekistan Airways office (opposite Grand Mir hotel) and the crossing with Glinka near Babur Park.
CLUB ACTION
SkyClub, located in the hotel formerly known as Tata and now called Grand Palace (or sth like that), always features some pros and semi-pros.
Also the former Pasha club at Dedeman hotel (now it has a different name, was recently reopened) is always a place to meet such ladies. SkyClub, however, features more normal club guests - on all my visits to Dedeman's club, the only people you would meet there were Ladies of the Night and hotel guests looking for exactly these.
All the regular nightclubs in town have their share of semi-pros, pros, and girls who might wish to improve their income.
The best places to hunt are club 25 (aka Basha, near Grand Mir hotel) and K.T.Komba (the more fancy club down at the river, taxi drivers know it). Be a little careful in K.T.Komba though, it's primarily an upscale club for the local jeunesse doree, and therefore you should avoid chatting up the wrong girl. Many of the ladies there have part-time or full-time boyfriends with whom you really do not want any trouble - keep in mind that you're in a country where anything can happen if you do some serious mistakes.
Also, you will usually meet some pros at Chelsea pub, a bit south of the centre, near the restaurant Caravan. It's a nice pub, only that it's sometimes quite hard to tell the pros from the regular girls. Have a beer, wait for a while, you'll see. Regular girls usually come to this place in bigger groups of girls, or with guys - while the pros usually sit just in groups of two girls. Aim for eye contact - nobody will be angry at you, even if you accidentally hit some 'regular' girls, they won't mind, they're used to that, everybody here is staring at them and trying to chat them up all the time. You can't do anything wrong: If you succeed with the 'regular' girls, fair enough, and if you hit some pros, you'll succeed anyway. Depends what you want.
STRIPTEASE AND MORE
There's a pretty strange place called "FM Bar". It's just off broadway: If you walk from Amir Temur through Broadway, FM Bar is at the main crossing. Turn left towards Mirstor, keep to the right side, and you'll see it. There's a security guy outside the door, it's open after around 16:00 usually. It's as close to a striptease club that you can get in Tashkent, which means: The girls don't get totally naked, but stay in their underwear (with a few dancing exceptions).
You'll pay an entrance fee of around 4$. Inside, the prices are very fair, a beer will set you back some 2$.
Usually, there are loads of girls and not very many guys in there. Some of the girls are absolutely stunning, while others look like they've been working their for too long.
Usually, they'll come to your table and ask you whether you want a lapdance or a massage. The lapdance is a normal lapdance, and after it's done you're expected to hand a tip to the girl (usually 3000 Sum (2.5$) will do, if you really enjoyed the dance pay 5000 (3.6$)).
The massage is a neck and shoulder massage. Try it out: Some of the girls are really, really good at that. If you had a hard day, getting such massage while having your beer at the same time is just simply great. The price is the same as for the lapdance.
Usually, lapdance and massage last for the duration of one song.
Actually, I've never tried to take any of the girls there home (despite that it can be extremely tempting). From how well I know the region, however, it must be possible. Either the direct way (just ask them), or the indirect way (invite them for dinner the next day, or ask them when they have free time). It's likely you'll get somewhere like this. I'll let know once I tried - but really, I can't imagine this to be anyhow difficult. Some of the girls might not go for it, but I'm absolutely sure most will. Again: Be nice, be a gentleman, treat them well. That's a very important trick here, because many of the local males tend to be total machos - and despite the fact that many local girls expect you to be a macho to an extent, you still impress most of them by being a gentle, nice, but at the same time decisive and visibly powerful sort of "alpha animal with a heart".
And bear in mind: There are no "two kinds of girls". It doesn't matter whether you are talking to a stripper or a girl you meet on the street. Their desires and life attitudes are mostly the same, and if you treat them right, you'll be successful.
'NORMAL' GIRLS
I'd say that it's not as easy as in Ukraine, Russia, or Belarus, to pick up freebies or to pick up some student girl for a little cash. That's because despite the small role that religion plays, people are more conservative here. Due to my work, I have plenty of local friends and acquaintances, and it is always surprising to me that the average girl of 20 years actually dreams of finding her prince, and having children and family as soon as possible. To some extent, this is caused by these girls' own desires and wishes (it's what they learnt how women should be), and to another extent it's because of family pressure. If you're a young female (particularly Uzbek) in Tashkent and you're not married by the age of 23 or 24, you will have all your family worrying about you and pushing you to finally get it done. If you have no children by the age of 25, you're already considered seriously weird.
Most girls you'll happen to meet are not into some casual "just sex". They might be if they're drunk, but come on, that's not fair.
Some will go with you for some presents or cash - usually rather the presents, because that feels less like they're 'working girls' to them. Treat them well, in any case - the average income here is around 100 to 150$ a month, and despite that most families own the real estate they inhibit due to the privatization, that's not a lot to get a family through, let alone fulfilling your teenage daugher's wishes for cool mobile phones and handbags.
Usually, to get some action with a 'regular' girl, you will need some patience, and at least a few days in Tashkent. The good thing here, as opposed to Ukraine and Russia, is that far more young girls speak English (or French, or German!) than in the Slavic nations. Almost everybody you'll meet speaks at least a little bit of English. Be gentle, be a cavaliere, treat them well, take them to dinner, and you're the star. But be aware: You should not be too nice. I know that sounds weird, but in this culture (as well as in Russia and Ukraine, actually), it's you who has to take the initiative. You need to clearly tell what you want after a while, in the right moment. You need to find a casual, agreeable way to get your message across. You need to make clear that despite you're a nice guy, some casual dinner and talk is not the only thing you're looking for. That's not always easy, but hey, just be a normal Joe, and you'll manage.
A small tip: It always helps to talk about your life, your experience, the places you've visited, and all that. Don't brag with all that, though - just easily, casually throw some countries and places into your discussion when you talk to a girl. Mention some stories that happened to you in different places, and so on. Most people here haven't traveled much, and it impresses the local ladies tremendously if you show them that you have.
Some good places to meet 'regular' girls, finally, are (list will be updated, I can't remember all my fav places right now):
- Fashion Bar, near club 25, near Grand Mir hotel.
- La Riva cafe, on Shota Rustaveli street, some 5 to 8 minutes walk south of Grand Mir hotel
- J. Smoker's Pub, on Amir Temur street, around 30 or 40 minutes walk or a short taxi ride north of Amir Temur square.
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Some clarification on Tashkent
Apparently I can't edit my previous post, so I'm sorry I'm posting an updated version here. Maybe someone with the appropriate user rights can delete my previous post below. I forgot a few points in it.
I'm a long-term resident of Tashkent (a couple of years of almost monthly visits); sure there are things and places I haven't yet discovered, but still let me clarify a few things and summarize everything in one post:
LEGAL ISSUES
You are legally obliged to always carry your passport. However, in general, the police doesn't bother foreigners on the streets. If you decide to use the metro, be aware that it's 80% likely you'll have to show your documents to some policemen. No need to worry though: As far as I can tell, the times in which they'd make you trouble to get a bribe are over. Usually they're just young guys from some villages and they'll be mainly just curious to browse through your passport and look at your visa, stamps, and all that.
If you don't have your passport with you, always tell that it's at the hotel. Don't speak too good Russian if you say anything. Even if you speak Russian, pretend to speak it very poorly, and say for example "passport gostinitsa". That's wrong grammar, and that's exactly what you should use.
GETTING AROUND
Flagging taxis on the streets is easy, and usually not dangerous. Every car is a potential taxi. Use your common sense: Don't enter a car with more than one person inside. And even if only one person is inside, just have a look at him, and if you feel anyhow insecure, shake your head, walk off, and flag the next one. A taxi ride in the city centre doesn't cost more than 2000 Uzbek sum. If you're a complete foreigner (=you don't speak any Russian), go for 3000.
Generally, Tashkent is a city that's easy to navigate and easy to get around in. If you are friendly, almost everybody you'll meet will be friendly. Smile, and in case it's necessary play naive.
In case you get into any trouble on the streets, make noise, make a mess. If anyone is nearby, it's very likely they'll come to help you. Most people in Tashkent are genuinely friendly and take great pride of their country's friendliness to foreigners. However, it is of course as always a good idea to avoid trouble if walking around alone at night: Tashkent's streets can be quite deserted at night. Stick to the main streets preferably, where people and cars are always near. If you're drunk, take a taxi home.
Uzbekistan Airways is okay and as safe as an airline can be (well, maybe not on the level of British Airways or Lufthansa, but good). When you book domestic flights, be careful that you get the flights that are operated in modern aircraft (Boeings, Airbuses); if there are none, pick the Tupolev-flights next (aircrafts are Tu-134 and Tu-154). Only if you really have no other choice, or you look for a piece of adventure, book flights that are operated on Antonov, Ilyushin, or Yak. I don't say they're totally unsafe. Thousands and thousands of them fly around every day. But it's sure not the same as a good old A-310. (that said, actually flying on a Yak can be highly amusing if you have that sense of humor).
That said, places like Samarkand, Buchara, and Chiva are extraordinary and exciting from a touristic point of view. There's not much action there if you are looking for girls though. Nothing is impossible, but don't expect too much. For this purpose, you might rather want to visit some of the more Soviet cities, such as Navoi or Sarafshan, or also Urgench and some of the smaller cities near Tashkent. But since there is little to no tourism in these places, you'll be better off speaking at least basic Russian, and you should be careful when going to local nightclubs there. As for the most densly populated part of the country, the Fergana valley, I'd say you shouldn't go there if you don't have a good reason to. You might be lucky and find some nice girls in the city of Fergana, that's worth a try. But generally, there's not much to do in the valley, and you better avoid cities like Andizhan, Namangan, and Kokand entirely. There's anyway little to nothing to see; finding accommodation can be time-consuming (and most hotels are in a poor state and far too expensive for what they're worth); and you can quite easily run into trouble if you're walking around in the evenings.
If you still want to go to the valley, the ranking of places to visit for girls is: Fergana > Namangan > Andizhan > Kokand. So or so, you're better off staying in Tashkent, and maybe visiting some other cities mentioned.
GENERAL TIPS:
Even though many lads here refer to the Islamic character of Uzbekistan, I myself can't agree to any of that for Tashkent. As long as you are in the city, you will probably encounter less of the cliche Islamic lifestyle than you would in some districts of Berlin, Paris or London.
However, if you're here for hunting, it is very helpful to develop the skill to distinct between Uzbek and Russian girls. Uzbeks tend to be more conservative, while Russians are. Well, Russians, even if with a slightly conservative twist compared to their ethnic sisters in Russia or Ukraine etc.
Generally, Tashkent is a very safe city (I visited some 45 countries and consider Tashkent one of the safest places I've seen). You will not encounter any serious problems related to religion here. Tashkent is a liberal, mainly unreligious place (not least because the authoritarian government fights religious movements in a very tough way.). You will notice that girls wear short skirts, and nobody cares. Most people drink alcohol, there are no restrictions regarding this.
The main danger might be traffic. Many of the people who drive cars in Tashkent never actually learnt how to drive, and anyway many are a little overdosed with testosterone. Drivers tend to ignore red lights, drive reckless, and all that. It's wise to be a little careful as a pedestrian, and it's also wise to have a look at taxi drivers. Just to check whether they're drunk. Many are.
As always in the former Soviet region, everything becomes a lot easier if you speak some Russian. Get yourself a phrasebook and use the time in the plane to learn a few important words and the numbers, at least.
SW:
There's no big SW scene in Tashkent actually. As many have written, Amir Temur park is a place for SW. It's better visited in the afternoon and early evening hours though. Even though it's usually rather safe also at night, it might be better not to walk around there at night too much as a foreigner. Not only because of problems with other people in the park, but also because the police might have more than just an eye on you at night. Amir Temur park is a relaxed place during the day. If you come from Broadway, the SW area is behind the statue and slightly to your right. You can just sit on a bench, read a newspaper, or stand around. After a few minutes you'll know who is a SW and who is not. Prices are still anywhere between 20 and 80$, depending on how foreign you are (=whether you speak Russian or you don't). As a foreigner with basic command of Russian, expect 40 to 50$. That's a little more expensive than normal, but at the same time, paying a little more than strictly necessary will help you to stay away from trouble.
The main SW area is near the former hotel Tata (now Grand Palace or something like that); that's about 10 minutes walk from Amir Temur square, you'd pass hotel Uzbekistan on the left or right, and the hotel is basically behind hotel Uzbekistan, on the next street. That's the street on which you'll find SW at night, but also quite some police usually. They usually won't bother you unless you give them reason to do so. Picking up a girl is usually not such reason for them, if you're a foreigner.
Also, SW can sometimes be found on Shota Rustaveli street, the main street that leads southwards from the centre. The area to check out is between the Uzbekistan Airways office (opposite Grand Mir hotel) and the crossing with Glinka near Babur Park.
CLUB ACTION
SkyClub, located in the hotel formerly known as Tata and now called Grand Palace (or sth like that), always features some pros and semi-pros.
Also the former Pasha club at Dedeman hotel (now it has a different name, was recently reopened) is always a place to meet such ladies. SkyClub, however, features more normal club guests. On all my visits to Dedeman's club, the only people you would meet there were Ladies of the Night and hotel guests looking for exactly these.
All the regular nightclubs in town have their share of semi-pros, pros, and girls who might wish to improve their income.
The best places to hunt are club 25 (aka Basha, near Grand Mir hotel), Diplomat (not far from hotel Dedeman, taxi drivers know it), and K. T. Komba (the more fancy club down at the river, taxi drivers know it).
25 is a normal club. Diplomat feels a bit more Soviet, and has more working girls; officially it's a "members only" club, so you theoretically don't get in without a member card. In reality, when you arrive at the front door, just be friendly, ask in English or poor Russian if there's anything that can be done, and most likely the bouncers will offer you a deal. You go into a hidden corner with them and pay them to let you in even though you're not a member. Such fee shouldn't be more than 5000 Sum (about 4$) per person, if you speak no Russian at all expect to pay a maximum of 8000 Sum (around 6$).
Be a little careful in K. T. Komba, it's primarily an upscale club for the local jeunesse doree, and therefore you should avoid chatting up the wrong girl. Many of the ladies there have part-time or full-time boyfriends with whom you really do not want any trouble. Keep in mind that you're in a country where anything can happen if you do some serious mistakes.
Also, you will usually meet some pros at Chelsea pub, a bit south of the centre, near the restaurant Caravan. It's a nice pub, only that it's sometimes quite hard to tell the pros from the regular girls. Have a beer, wait for a while, you'll see. Regular girls usually come to this place in bigger groups of girls, or with guys. While the pros usually sit just in groups of two girls. Aim for eye contact. Nobody will be angry at you, even if you accidentally hit some 'regular' girls, they won't mind, they're used to that, everybody here is staring at them and trying to chat them up all the time. You can't do anything wrong: If you succeed with the 'regular' girls, fair enough, and if you hit some pros, you'll succeed anyway. Depends what you want.
STRIPTEASE AND MORE
There's a pretty strange place called "FM Bar". It's just off broadway: If you walk from Amir Temur through Broadway, FM Bar is at the main crossing. Turn left towards Mirstor, keep to the right side, and you'll see it. There's a security guy outside the door, it's open after around 16:00 usually. It's as close to a striptease club that you can get in Tashkent, which means: The girls don't get totally naked, but stay in their underwear (with a few dancing exceptions).
You'll pay an entrance fee of around 4$. Inside, the prices are very fair, a beer will set you back some 2$.
Usually, there are loads of girls and not very many guys in there. Some of the girls are absolutely stunning, while others look like they've been working their for too long.
Usually, they'll come to your table and ask you whether you want a lapdance or a massage. The lapdance is a normal lapdance, and after it's done you're expected to hand a tip to the girl (usually 3000 Sum (2. 5$) will do, if you really enjoyed the dance pay 5000 (3. 6$)).
The massage is a neck and shoulder massage. Try it out: Some of the girls are really, really good at that. If you had a hard day, getting such massage while having your beer at the same time is just simply great. The price is the same as for the lapdance. Usually, lapdance and massage last for the duration of one song.
Actually, I've never tried to take any of the girls there home (despite that it can be extremely tempting). From how well I know the region, however, it must be possible. Either the direct way (just ask them), or the indirect way (invite them for dinner the next day, or ask them when they have free time). It's likely you'll get somewhere like this. I'll let know once I tried. But really, I can't imagine this to be anyhow difficult. Some of the girls might not go for it, but I'm absolutely sure most will. Again: Be nice, be a gentleman, treat them well. That's a very important trick here, because many of the local males tend to be total machos. And despite the fact that many local girls expect you to be a macho to an extent, you still impress most of them by being a gentle, nice, but at the same time decisive and visibly powerful sort of "alpha animal with a heart".
And bear in mind: There are no "two kinds of girls". It doesn't matter whether you are talking to a stripper or a girl you meet on the street. Their desires and life attitudes are mostly the same, and if you treat them right, you'll be successful.
'NORMAL' GIRLS
I'd say that it's not as easy as in Ukraine, Russia, or Belarus, to pick up freebies or to pick up some student girl for a little cash. That's because despite the small role that religion plays, people are more conservative here. Due to my work, I have plenty of local friends and acquaintances, and it is always surprising to me that the average girl of 20 years actually dreams of finding her prince, and having children and family as soon as possible. To some extent, this is caused by these girls' own desires and wishes (it's what they learnt how women should be), and to another extent it's because of family pressure. If you're a young female (particularly Uzbek) in Tashkent and you're not married by the age of 23 or 24, you will have all your family worrying about you and pushing you to finally get it done. If you have no children by the age of 25, you're already considered seriously weird.
Most girls you'll happen to meet are not into some casual "just sex". They might be if they're drunk, but come on, that's not fair.
Some will go with you for some presents or cash. Usually rather the presents, because that feels less like they're 'working girls' to them. Treat them well, in any case. The average income here is around 100 to 150$ a month, and despite that most families own the real estate they inhibit due to the privatization, that's not a lot to get a family through, let alone fulfilling your teenage daugher's wishes for cool mobile phones and handbags.
Usually, to get some action with a 'regular' girl, you will need some patience, and at least a few days in Tashkent. The good thing here, as opposed to Ukraine and Russia, is that far more young girls speak English (or French, or German! ) than in the Slavic nations. Almost everybody you'll meet speaks at least a little bit of English. Be gentle, be a cavaliere, treat them well, take them to dinner, and you're the star. But be aware: You should not be too nice. I know that sounds weird, but in this culture (as well as in Russia and Ukraine, actually), it's you who has to take the initiative. You need to clearly tell what you want after a while, in the right moment. You need to find a casual, agreeable way to get your message across. You need to make clear that despite you're a nice guy, some casual dinner and talk is not the only thing you're looking for. That's not always easy, but hey, just be a normal Joe, and you'll manage.
A small tip: It always helps to talk about your life, your experience, the places you've visited, and all that. Don't brag with all that, though. Just easily, casually throw some countries and places into your discussion when you talk to a girl. Mention some stories that happened to you in different places, and so on. Most people here haven't traveled much, and it impresses the local ladies tremendously if you show them that you have.
Some good places to meet 'regular' girls, finally, are (list will be updated, I can't remember all my fav places right now):
- Fashion Bar, near club 25, near Grand Mir hotel.
- La Riva cafe, on Shota Rustaveli street, some 5 to 8 minutes walk south of Grand Mir hotel.
- J. Smoker's Pub, on Amir Temur street, around 30 or 40 minutes walk or a short taxi ride north of Amir Temur square.
- Johnnie Walker, a club/pub also at Amir Temur street, not far from Yulduz Bowling.
- Angel's Food, at Oybek (corner where the Oybek metro station is)
Where we will go in the future???
Roger Nebel,
thanks so much for the detailed report!
Prosal, Excess,
looking at the photos in KZ and reading the great report here from Roger Nebel, not to mention thinking to the actually prices in Russia I think in the early future the next, and maybe last heaven, will be the central asia, what do you think about it?
And most of all, who between us will go there as first and report us everything? :)
Or maybe, considering the place, much better to go there all together...
Nodules Rebel- There may be nothing left to say, but there's A LOT left to see!
[QUOTE=Roger Nebel]
In cities I visit, everything I could say has been said before, so I don't see why I should repeat it.
[/QUOTE]
Its settled then.
The time for words is over.
The time of action has arrived.
Let's see some original monger work. :p
Nice Work Roger Nebel & City Angel
A few friends are planning a "fun" trip and Tashkent is one of the options we are considering. We did Bangkok last year and earlier in the spring and the Uzbek (ethnically Russians from Uzbekistan) women in Bangkok made us consider Tashkent.
We can't speak any Russian language, so will it be too much trouble getting around? Are any interpreters available and can they be our guides? Can you recommend any "girl friendly" hotels?
Would appreciate your reply.