Belem

Spidey's report was great. Everything you need to know about Belem.

I wouldn't give Locomotivo such low marks, though. I have found some great girls there and you can usually negociate a price down below 100 reals.

Also the local beer Cerpa is great.

I was in Belem last month, and I liked a lot this destination. So bad I was there only a few days.

The only p4p spot I checked out was the Locomotivo. 2r$ park, 4r$ entrance, 3r$ refrigerante. Many beautiful girls there.
I had a session with Tatiane, a loira mulata. She asked 80r$ for 1h, 100r$ 3h, negociable.
It was a good session with her, in the Locomotivo Motel.

So many gorgeous girls around, expecialy in the new and old docas area. So easy to know freelancers and semi-pro.

Hope to come back there asap.

YMMV, as usual.

IOTR

Haven't found anything on the board re this city where I will be spending approx 24 hours while on ship end of 05/begin of 06 time and would appreciate anyones experiences, good or bad, will be staying in Manaus one night so figure from the board something good will happen there and then no stop in Belem, my next stop will be Recife then Rio.

Thanks for your time and help.

Art Fartzalot

I have a chance to spend a couple of days in Belem after visiting Fortaleza, which is nearby. Is Belem worth visiting for just a couple of days? The monger scene should of course be part of the equation, but just a portion of it, maybe 25%. Please also include other factors, such as beaches, tourist sites, non-pro niteclubs and discos, cafes, people, natural beauty of the environment, atmosphere, hotels, prices, culture, etc. Overall, is Belem worth visiting for just two or three days if you factor in everything? I know this is a mongering forum, not a travel forum, but I will have done my mongering by spending a week or two in nearby Fortaleza before going to Belem. Also, please remember that those two days in Belem could have been spent staying another two days in Fortaleza.

...Well, this is a though one to answer. As far as physical beauty (of the city, at least) probably not. The action, too, isn't all that great. It's got that famous market (Ver o Veso), and a low-ball charm -- but it's basically an industrially over-built, poor town.

Check out my long post (a few years old by now) for a good review of the P4P.

Sorry I can't be more specific,
JW

P.S. I'm glad I went, but I'm on a mission to see just about every city I can.

Varig crews


Met a Varig stewardess (paulista, a solid 8) who was on a 24 hours stop on her way to Manaus at the Hilton Belem a few years ago .

We met in the morning at the swimming pool, talked and joked for a few hours, went up in my room at 2pm and after a nice flirt f***ed till 6pm ; at 7pm she leaved the hotel for the Belem/Manaus flight.

All hotels where Varig crews usually stay (Tropical chain of course, but also Hiltons, ect) can be good hunting grounds.


Pro

belem is a surprising modern city of 1.6 million people with high tower buildings right the middle of the amazon rain forest, far from the rest of the civilized world. its economy is based on its strategic position at the entrance of the amazon river. there are few touristic interests here (the old city and the rain forest), as there is no beach: belem is at 200km from the atlantic ocean.

how to get there

belem is at 3000km from rio, road transport is difficult. there is boat transport along the amazon river, but the main passenger transport with the rest of the world is by air through belem’s international airport. most flights are national flights. varig, tam and a few other brazilian companies have daily flights between belem and most of the main brazilian cities. there are no direct flights to and from europe or northern america. there are however a few flights to the northern neighbouring countries: tam has a flight to caracas, air caraibes to cayenne and surinam airways to paramaribo. these flights may be considered to go to belem, as they are much closer hubs to northern america or europe than rio or sao paolo.

where to stay

hilton hotel in belem is the main hotel where all the “gringos” stay. it is conveniently located in the center of belem. prices are around 150$/night. there are plenty of cheaper hotels around, but i suppose that those who come that far to belem are either on business or rich tourists.

how to get around

i would not recommend renting a car for a first trip. there are enough taxi’s in town and they have the useful information about the p4p scene. just take care they put on the meter.

security and health

regarding crime, belem has a relaxing atmosphere and i never felt unsecured. however, any brazilian will warn you that by night you should not walk in the streets and always take a taxi. keep all your valuable at hotel (passport, credit card…), and take only with you the money you will need that night. police will not try to bribe you, and will not ask for your passport. belem has modern hospitals, and medical facilities are excellent as long as you can afford them. and by the way, viagra is available without medical prescription in any pharmacy!

money

don’t change money at airport, rates are bad. just use the convenient atm everywhere, there are even just at the entrance of the hilton hotel. the rate changes a lot but is now 220 real for 100$ or 260 real for 100€.

language

most brazilian don’t speak other language than portuguese. english is hardly spoken. however, if you are fluent in spanish, just take some quick brazilian portuguese lessons before. brazilians are very patient, with the few portuguese words you will have learned together with spanish, it’s enough for the basic mongering conversation. we are not here to try to have conversation with a nobel price winner right?

the girls

i have to say i was disappointed from the overall look of the girls when walking around in belem. brazilian are a mixture of white, black and indian. as everyone knows, the results can be impressive, but it is not the same in every part of this country that is the fifth biggest of the world. as we are in the middle of the amazon, the overwhelming influence is indian. girls are mostly small, tend to be fat and have not beautiful faces. no, definitely not the typical sao paolo top-model or copacabana beach babe! but we are not here to screw up the 800 000 females of belem, just the few gems. in locomotivo i fucked a 9 rated 22 years old girl. she had a eastern european look: tall, blonde, white skin, blue eyes, a very nice face and a wonderful body. it’s funny, as on the contrary when i’m in a german fkk full of eastern european girls i tend to go with the few available latinas! another thing is that there is no straight border between pro semi-pro and amateur action. even when you don’t expect it (=read out of the p4p scene), you will make the most interesting encounters. i had each day at least one marriage proposal!

semi-pro and amateur scene

virtually everywhere of course but there are a few specific places. the well known bar do parque is right in front of the hilton. it’s a popular open air bar. most girls here try to hook up with the customers from the hilton. it may be convenient as it is easy to take her back to your nearby room, but don’t expect to find any beautiful girl here. anyway, all my evenings started here. the girls are easy to talk with and will give you all the necessary information about belem by night in order to go further.

another nice spot are the docks. they are nicely renovated and have good restaurants for tourists. if you sit outside, you will spot some semi-pros walking along the waterfront trying to hook up tourist single males.

then you have all the disco’s. don’t go to the high end disco’s like casablanca, but to the more local popular disco’s like african. it’s on the boulevard marechal hermes that goes along the docks. entry is 8r$, there is nice life music, and the girls tend to be very beautiful here. however, you will need some portuguese skills as well as some basic brazilian dancing skills to make it more easy.

the brothels

the place to go is locomotivo, on the road to the airport. any taxi driver know where it is, it will cost 15 r$ from the center. it’s a huge brown complex with motel, disco and bar/restaurant. to enter the disco, you will have to pay 4r$ at the bar. it is open from 1pm till 5am. it’s a huge double floor space with chairs and tables. on stage there are striptease shows. at the back there is a bar area. food is available. the disco is not air conditioned, but you can get some fresh air at a veranda on the first floor. there are about 60-80 girls, 20-30 years old but i would rate them 4-7 at most. however there are a few 8 and even 9 gems. they are not easy to spot as the place tends to be too dark. girls will ask 150r$ for one hour, but you may get it for 100r$. you can bring them to the motel of the complex. there are different rates of rooms starting from 11r$ up to 25r$. as a gringo, only the 25r$ will be available, but they are very good and clean. they are air-conditioned, have a nice round bed, music, tv with porn, refrigerator with drinks, bathroom and even a jacuzzi. this place can be used as a motel (with a private car park attached to the room), and the room for the night will cost the double. girls will take the time, shower before and after. service is very good. when they feel confident, dfk and bbbj is available. one girl poored some soft drink on my dick before bbbj, it was funny!

there used to be another popular place, o lapina. it was closed when i tried to go, and all taxi drivers confirmed it was closed for good.

another place to go is veronica. i didn’t try this place, as it is 25km from the center. but it is reported to be as nice as locomotivo.

i tried another brothel that is hardly known by the taxi drivers. it’s barroco. when you follow the docks, you will find the popular market ver o peso that is also along the amazon river. in front of the market, on the other side of the boulevard is barroco. it is hard to spot by daytime, but by night there is a b lighting up. this is a hell hole, the typical low end hardcore place. you will be checked at the entrance for any weapons. entrance is 4r$. inside it’s very dark and hot. the smells are horrible, a mixture of beer, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url], sweat and food. no gringos, only low end brazilians. there is a strip show. it was very hot, the girl’s body was completely wet. she opened her legs in front of the audience. one of the customer dared to perform her daty. she didn’t care, and she even came on his table, her legs open to make it more convenient for him to daty. the prices here for a fuck are as low as 50r$. it’s worth only to experience once in a life such low end place! the place didn’t make me feel horny at all, but i was on wsg reporter duty. i finally spotted a nice girl among all those dogs. i started conversation and she appeared to be very nice. don’t know what she was doing in such a place. decided to make a try. the room was horrible (price 11r$), but had ac and bathroom. i was afraid of hygiene, so asked her to go together to the shower. we washed each other, and i took great care of washing her pussy, not only for hygienic reasons. in fact, even in such an environment, it’s possible to find a real gem. she had a perfect 20 years old firm body. the service was excellent, even if i dared not to daty, dfk and bbbj. we showered again together after. if this is your type of scene, there are a few other brothels like this in belem, just start with this one, once inside you will get the information to get to the others.

street action

there is street action by night on the streets around the parque as well as on the main boulevards. but take care, all those i have spotted were ts/tv!

personal opinion

belem is not worth the efforts to get there for mongering purpose only. there are plenty of other places easier to go to and with better mongering opportunities. still, i have to admit i had an excellent personal experience, and not only in the p4p scene. one encounter may change everything. during my stay, i met a female business partner. she was not only very pretty, but she was classy, highly educated and had multilingual skills. there was such a good mutual chemistry, that i felt i was overwhelmed by a strange feeling: yes i was falling in love! it was my last night in belem, she offered me to be my guide and i was supposed to call her. i knew i was crossing the red line, as she had even my business card. i decided to follow the basic mongering rules i made for the safety of my family: i didn’t call, and went straight to the brothels to fuck her out of my brain. i saw her the next morning before to take my plane: she had not her usual smile and she just gave me a professional cold good morning. i could see in her eyes how deeply i had hurt her feelings. i felt bad for it. this was my last memory of belem.

[QUOTE=Routard]
I tried another brothel that is hardly known by the taxi drivers. It’s Barroco. When you follow the docks, you will find the popular market that is also along the Amazon river. In front of the market, on the other side of the boulevard is Barroco. It is hard to spot by daytime, but by night there is a B lighting up. This is a hell hole, the typical low end hardcore place... If this is your type of scene, there are a few other brothels like this in Belem, just start with this one, once inside you will get the information to get to the others.[/QUOTE]
Barroco is news to me. Sounds like my cup of tea. Do you remember names of other similar low end brothels?

I had nothing to write down the names of the other brothels the girl gave to me in Barroco, and I can't remember. She named at least three other brothels. When I asked about Locomotivo, she told me that Locomotivo was too expensive (!!!), and that it was better to go to the other brothels that have similar rates than Barroco. I understood that the other brothels were not in the center unlike Barroco, that's why I didn't try to investigate further.

No taxi driver knew about Barroco, neither the girls at Bar Do Parque or Locomotivo, so I guess they don't know also about the other brothels. The best way to get the information is to ask the girls in Barroco for similar brothels. The girl in Barroco that gave me the information about the other brothels was named Andrea.

Routard,

Thank you for your comprehensive report about Belem!

It is not easy to get there especially if you are flying from the Caribbean. So elaborate please a little bit about that TAM flight between Belem and Caracas.

Tavares

I've heard Brazilian women are crazy about anal sex. It is almost a culture. Does anyone know if this is true and so yes, how come?

I am far from an expert on Brazilian women in general. Maybe I did P4P with 10 girls, and I had some sort of regular Brazilian GF here at my place for 3 years. So I can only refer to this limited experience:

My GF was into everything: she did increadible blowjobs, I never had to ask for this, she was the one who would beg for it ("let me play a bit!"). And she gave me the most extreme deepthroats I had in my whole life. So you are not surprised she loved it in her bunda.

Let's say with 4 out of the 10 I had anal sex. One just accepted it, it was her first time and she didn't enjoy much... One offered her bunda to me, but wanted an extra 100 R$, so I declined. One didn't want it anally, but it was her idea first to fuck ME with her finger - brothers: I am definetly not gay, but this is a pleasureful experience!
One girl I had for free was very shy. There was no chance to have anal sex with her, she didn't even do a blowjob. But she let me fuck her buceta in every way I wanted. I was with her for only 4 nights, maybe she would have opened up more if there had been more time?

I simply can't speak about Brazilian women in general. For sure not all of them are crazy about anal sex. I don't think you will get a very high rate of girls willing to do it in the ass. And I think it depends on where you meet the girls. You can get books in a supermarket and in a bookstore. If you are looking for something special, you might rather find it in the bookstore. So probably Rio terma girls are the more specialized providers compared to a hooker in a bar somewhere in the interior... Just my guess.

On the other hand there maybe some obsession in Brazilian society about the bunda as a part of the body shape.

Pyjama

* Altas Horas: A daytime club/bar with GPs on Travessa 7 de Setembro (No. 324 ?), 10 meters from Praça da Bandeira (5 minutes walk from Ver-o-peso). No sign on the outside, but it´s written "DVD" on the entrance.
Open=10 AM-21 PM
Entrance=free
Beer=R$ 4 (your Cerpa is served by Mickey Rourke´s twin brother)
Girl=R$ 30-45
Room=R$ 10
Room standard= simple, fan, new sheets, shower.
Girls=40 girls working. 7 doable, 2 really cute ones.
Special award goes to Telma who gave one of the best BBBJTCWS I ever had.
Atmosphere=Bring night goggles, it´s quite dark. Two big screens playing Calypso-DVDs. No strip. A nice relaxed atmosphere.

* Boulevard: A couple of months ago Barroco closed, got a new owner and changed name to Boulevard. The sign is still the same, a "B" lightning up. If you have difficulties finding it, go to the market Ver-o-peso. Look for Hotel Ver-o-peso, go 50 mts further and you´ll find it. Look for a "Nova Schin"-sign.
Open=3 PM-2 AM
Entrance=R$ 2
Beer=R$ 3,5
Show=Stripshow every now and then.
Girl=R$ 30-45
Room=R$ 10
Room standard= simple, AC, new sheets, shower.
Girls=15-35 girls working, depending on the day. Maybe 2-3 doable if yoú had enough Cerpas. The ugliest girls from Altas Horas goes on to Boulevard in the evening.
Atmosphere=A bit depressing compared to Altas horas. According to the girls the club lost most of its customer after the club changed owner.

* Locomotivo: Needs no more presentation.

* Bar do Parque: This small outside bar in front of Hilton is the same as always. About 20 girls hanging around. All, without exception, are plain ugly, fat or old.

* Estação das Docas: Some overpriced free-lancers walking by.

* SW: Lots of them around Praça da Republica and the backstreets. Very low standard. The only good-looking SWs I met close to Praça da República were the girls working down at Avenida Assis de Vasconcelos, R$ 30.

* Non-pro´s: The gringo-attraction is high in Belém.

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Just a small update since last year.

GP CASAS:
There are three main GP bars in Centro, see below. There are also a couple of real trashy places I don´t even bother to mention. The girls frequenting these three places are often the same girls moving around. The number of girls working on each place might be everything from 10-40 girls depending on the time. The standard is low, but at least 2-3 doable girls should be found at each place.

* Paraiso:
Opened very recently.
Rua Senador Manoel Barato, 105
Open 12-20
Entrance=free
Beer=R$ 4
Girl=R$ 30-40
Room=R$ 10
Atmosphere=One big screen playing DVDs. No strip. A laidback atmosphere.

* Altas Horas:
Travessa 7 de Setembro, 324
Open 11-21
Entrance=free
Beer=R$ 4 (your Cerpa is still served by Mickey Rourke´s twin brother, remarkable resemblance)
Girl=R$ 30-40
Room=R$ 10
Atmosphere=Two big screens playing Calypso-DVDs. No strip. A nice relaxed atmosphere.

* Boulevard/Barroco:
Look for Hotel Ver-o-peso, go 50 mts further and you´ll find it. Look for a "Nova Schin"-sign.
Open=3 PM-2 AM
Entrance=R$ 3
Beer=R$ 3
Show=Stripshow every now and then.
Girl=R$ 30-40
Room=R$ 10
Atmosphere=Depends on the crowd, can be a bit depressing.

* There also the other options mentioned earlier, Locomotive (terma), Bar do Parque (dogfaced old GPs) and SW at Praça da República (R$ 40) and SW at Estação das Docas (overpriced).

REGULAR GIRLS:

Belém is not really a place that you go to for mongering. The only reason I can see for going there is the regular girls. Lots of beauties.

* Sao Domingos: This is the place to go to if you happen to enjoy old, mature, fat-bellied women. Entrance=R$ 7. I didn´t enter though.

* Beirada: This is a fun place IMO. The place consist of a small alley with 13 bars, each one playing it´s own music on maximum volume. In the back there is an dancing-area. All the bars have cute girls working in short dresses. The crowd turns up at 11 PM. The locals drink impressing amounts of beer.

The atmosphere is quite wild and loud but very entertaining. Like that bar in the Star Wars movie.

The crowd is a mixture of very rough locals and very cute local women. I got warned by half a dozen of people that there were lots of malandros, bandidos and ladrões around. There propably where, but the majority seemed very friendly and happy to offer beer and chat with the gringo. Be careful if you flirt with the local girls, check out first if she´s has her boyfriend around. When you leave the alley, don´t hang around, jump into a taxi directly.

Very amusing when the PMs walk into the alley heavily armed and the bars at the same time starts playing "Rap das Armas", from Tropa de Elite. Even the PMs were smiling.

HOTELS:
Just a small sidenote on the budget hotels in Centro:
* Hotel Novo Avenida: Av Presidente Vargas 404, single R$ 58,5, double R$ 70.
* Hotel Unidos: Rua Ó de Almeida 545, single R$ 58,5, double R$ 69,3.
* Hotel Ferrador: R Aristides Lobo 485, single R$ 63, double R$ 80.
* Locador Hotel: Rua Ó de Almeida 476, single R$ 65, double R$ 85.

All four hotels have about the same standard on the rooms. Simple but clean, AC, frigobar, TV with cable, hot shower and breakfast. The only hotel that allows you to bring up girls without charging for a double room is Hotel Novo Avenida (although they charge double if she spends the whole night).

sure you can stay at the hilton, or hotel sagres, or you can find cheapo rundown hotels, but here are a couple moderate hotels.

i stayed at belem softhotel in nazare' basic, good-sized rooms and beds, but only a sheet to cover yourself, frigibar, wifi in lobby. ok neighborhood, a couple good restaurants nearby. cafe de manha incl. $80r low season, 90 high season.

also stayed at formule 1 (f1) brand new hotel here, near the rodovaria (bus station) tiny, tiny! rooms, my room is sooooo small, i have to step outside just to change my mind! lol! wifi in the rooms for 12 reals a day, cafe de manha 6 reals. no frigibar, and no phones in this ultra-modern hotel! wtf? $69r

looks like all the "love motels" (called "pousadas" here") are on the highway towards ananinduea. a huge club i liked for music was called pororoca, in ananinduea. ive heard there are quite a few gps hanging in that area.

if you got the balls, renting a car is the way to go. they drive insane here, blowing through redlights at full speed. youll save alot of money cuz the city is really spread out. but to be safe, get a taxi.

sorry no gp reports, got a girlfriend here thats fucks me like a pornstar.
i did get a quick peek at locomotiva, nice place, going price is $100r it seems, basic shag room with porn on tv, shower, toilet and bidet, 15 reals an hour. place is pretty dead until 10pm, but you can imagine the girls are "fresher" and more willing to cut you a deal early in the day. but open at noon or 1pm according to spertos reports.