Bangkok Reports

Went to Shark, because I am familiar with there and liked it enough in the past 3 years. Line-up is looking worst though. It's a bit of a cow festival on stage, but I see so many familiar faces. But most all of them heavier. Maybe with different hairstyles, but certainly heavier. Almost no girl there is slim, but I honestly like girls who are not slim (but certainly nowhere near fat).

And also, because CH isn't filled up with smoke (I suffer from nasal allergies / CS), I like it enough.

Got LD for 1 girl who made eye contact with me on stage and came to me, one of the few slim girls. She orders a shot, so strike one there. I tell her I stay in Bangkok for 2 years and she doesn't seem to like this too much. So in my mind I decide this is over and just let her sit there and say nothing, forcing her to make conversation as I really couldn't care where this leads. We kind of hit it off anyway so it wasn't awkward or anything. At one point asks for me to buy some shots because I'm being too shy. I tell her no I don't drink much (I don't). She then asks about BF as her dance shift is coming soon. I tell her 2000 baht (as I am still not really interested in exploring this endeavor, based on her attitude and she isn't exactly great looking either, just above average). She says 3000, I attempt to negotiate down to 2500 (this is what I have paid every girl here for 3 years) and it's time for her to go dancing on stage. She was one of the better looking girls there, because of how poor the lineup is overall. Comes back after her rotation and tells me I should smile more. I didn't know she was a life coach in addition to dancing semi-topless.

So back to basics, the girl I have BF numerous times stops by after her dance shift. Have been seeing her since 3 years for ST when I go here. Anyway, she's good in bed and has been working for 5-6 years here but still looks really good at 30 (looks 25) and managed to keep the weight off (actually lost weight since I last saw her). She gives a great BJ as she uses oil with the BJ, plenty of foreplay and DFK. FS is of course just as fine, and I pay her 2500ST, same price I pay there everytime. I can't recall her stage number (I never look at them), but she is short, light skin for someone from Issan, large but good implants, blonde (dyed) hair, 2 star tattoos on her right eye. I probably won't repeat anytime soon, as she wouldn't provide bareback. The hunt for more bareback hotties continues.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2035117]The hunt for more bareback hotties continues.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, that type of hunt is not difficult. Find a Thai girl who speaks no English at all.

Started off eating with a Thai buddy of mine at The Old Dutch Mill. It's at the corner end of Soi Cowboy on the Suk Soi 23 end around the corner from CH. As we were eating, we could see all the ladies coming in to work. We were keeping track and guessing how many of them would go into Baccara. About 80% looked extremely hot and most were entering Baccara. After eating we did a couple of laps on Soi Cowboy checking out the girls standing out front.

Our first stop was CH. Big mistake because my Thai friend was denied entrance. We then headed into Baccara. The ground floor was packed with Japamwse guys and there were so many girls on stage, it was difficult for them to dance so all they could do was stand there and wiggle their hips a little. There were two groups and the econd group was mixed in with the crowd of customers, so many ladies. We decided to go upstairs where the girls are all in Thai school girl uniforms and topless with no panties. I personally love the upstairs much better, the girls are better looking and nautier IMO. Howeever, it just wasn't much fun though for some reason. The vibe was just not good so we left after our first beer amd headed over to Cowboy 2.

Cowboy 2 is just full of hot ladies but about 50% aren't barfinable. Anyways in here we had a great time. The tables around the outside of the bar and stage have a separate pole and dancing area for a lady to entertain the guests. There was a group of 3 ladies with darker skin with average faces that managed to swindle some drinks from us. One slightly heavier but sexy girl insisted on dancing for us. She was quite good and I enjoyed teasing her with 100 Baht notes and sticking them into her panties while sometimes pulling them all the way down. I then took a tour around the bar and found us a couple of real nice white skinned beauties to join us. We played with them for a while and one of the other three didn't get the hint so continued to stay and tried for more drinks. Anyways if you want a nice laid back bar to drink amd flirt with the ladies, this is it. It's more like a G club in the way that it's not guaranteed the lady will leave with you. Completely the ladies choice but the bar still has bar fine rules. 2,500 before midnight and 1,000 after midnight. Where a G club has no bar fine. After we left my Thai friend went home so I headed back over to CH. I wanted to see what I was missing.

In the past I have been into CH and was not impresssd. In fact, during my 6 years in Bangkok, I have only bar fined 2 or 3 ladies from there. I always found the staff very rude and trying to rip me off by padding the bill. This time the doorman saw me and insisted I pay for a drink at the door before going in. This was the first time this ever hapenned to me. Normally, for the principal of the matter I wouldn't do it but I really wanted to check out the action so I complied. Upon entering, I couldn't believe my eyes. The stage was full of completely naked ladies and about 80% were above a 7. The upstairs which is normally shut down was on fire amd packed with ladies and customers. To say the least, it didn't take me long to find someone. Back downstairs I walked around the stage once and spotted this spinner with the most amazing rear end. She was just perfect with natural be cups to match. Her skin was darker than I normally like but her ass and body were so amazing, I couldn't help myself. I wasn't going to waste anytime so I called her down. I bought 5 shots for her right away. Interestingly enough, she could only finish 4 of them so I offered to drink one and we had a good cheers. Then something strange happened. 2 servers and 2 Moma sons came over and there was a big long discussion with them and my lady. It turns out that customers aren't aloud to drink a LD that was bought for the lady. They took one of her drink chits back so she wouldn't get paid for it. Unless the dequila is fake, I don't see the need for this rule. It tasted real amd strong enough for me. This time I was on the side of the lady amd protested but to no avail, they took her chit. In the past it was some of the ladies who tried to rip me off by agreeing to be bar fined and then after getting their drinks, changing their minds or trying to order drinks without me knowing. This is why I don't normally like CH because there is always drama. Anyways after this, I paid the 700 Baht bar fine and my bill. I had 2 Moma sons and 2 servers around begging for tips. Always this drama, but this time the girls were so hot so I sucked it up and pushed forward.

Her name is Noi and she also goes by Minth, she is no. 21. From what I hear, the numbers often change so her number may be different at a later time. Anyways, I just signed up for my 2nd ST and ST room encounter in the last 6 years. I used to always insist on LT but I would like to stop takimg ladies back to my condo for privacy reasons. She asked for 3,000 and I agreed. I could have paid 2,500 but I didn't care to negotiate over 500 Baht with this hottie. We headed over to the ST room hand in hand at the opposite end of Soi Cowboy. The cost of the room was 350 Baht and decent quality and clean. What I liked about this girl first off is she is under 25 but she was in no rush. This felt like an extended ST. We talked for about 45 minutes pre shower on the bed and then another 30 minutes after the shower naked on the bed. Then started cuddling and making out. Her body was just so amazing, I spent a good 30 minutes exploring every inch with my hands and then my tongue on her pussy. She loved it and was wiggling around making sexy noises. I couldn't resist anymore and moved into position to start the main event. Whoops, in the heat of the moment we had both forgot about the condom. After a little action without, she decided it was best to get one so she stuck her head out the door of the room and the staff passed her a condom. The blissful Action then continued in mish, then cowgirl, with the main event in doggy. Man I did not last long in doggy, her ass was so amazing. One of my top 10! After we showered up, exchanged line and phone numbers amd I was off. A good 3 hour ST experience and well worth the 3,000 plus 500 Tip.

Body- 10.

Face -8.

Atitude-10.

Service-10 GFE.

Repeat- Yes but not in CH. Will meet up through Line.

All in all, I don't really like CH. The bottom floor is always crowded, the staff are rude and pushy, and they always try to rip you off and beg for tips. However, if you can overlook this, on some occasions like Friday night, they have the best line up in the city on the stage completely naked for you to choose.

Bkkdog, I was in CH at about 8 pm or 8. 30 because line up is theoretically better early on.

The bar cannot let you drink lady drinks because it costs them 60 Baht commission to the girl. So they make less money. I got away with this scam at Suzi Wong a couple of years ago to help a girl make her monthly drinks quota. I can see why CH needed to ban the practice because customer and lady drinks are virtually the same price.

They should actually charge more for a lady drink to cover her commission if 60 baht, however I am happy the lady drink price is lower than at Suzie.

Yes some of the staff are shitty. I really don't care. All bills have to be signed to avoid ripoffs or anything unexpected. Even BF has a bill sheet to be signed these days.

To my taste, the average girl standard in CH has declined as they slowly move to a more Bacarra like look. So am surprised you liked it more than previously. I particularly liked it in its first year although my favourite was there about two years ago. The most stunning girls are all gone in my opinion. One extreme cutie left to have a baby and probably wreck her great body. Could not stand that thought.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2035140]In my opinion, that type of hunt is not difficult. Find a Thai girl who speaks no English at all.[/QUOTE]Hard to find young girls with zero English in the modern day I would have guessed. 30 years ago yes there were girls with absolutely zero in the soapies. Now not so sure.

Went yesterday to Hillary 2 bar on Soi 4. It is now one of the few places around where you can have live music. No big surprise for those who are familiar with the place, a lot of FL are looking for a prey. But since Bangkok Beat closed and so did Climax, working girls and single guys rush to this one place and it became way too packed. You literally cannot stand anywhere without being pushed by the staff, without being on somebody's way. I mean I like the crowd but the density just became too high, add to this the screaming sono and it makes it an overall unpleasant experience. Sadly. Any alternative joint?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2035244]Hard to find young girls with zero English in the modern day I would have guessed. 30 years ago yes there were girls with absolutely zero in the soapies. Now not so sure.[/QUOTE]I had 3 girls in 2 weeks with zero English my last visit to Bangkok recently. They are there. I wouldn't know about the soapies, I haven't been to a soapy in about 10 years. Those soapy girls are more hard core, so I would guess none of them can't speak at least a little English. Considering the daily number of dicks those soapy girls have entering their vaginas, I wouldn't want to bareback one anyway. But there are certain gogos and beer bars that often have new girls who have no English skills. If you befriend and tip a mamasan in advance, they will even send you a text when new ones arrive. Many times those girls only work there a short time and are never seen again.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2035244]Hard to find young girls with zero English in the modern day I would have guessed. 30 years ago yes there were girls with absolutely zero in the soapies. Now not so sure.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you would assume that. Its only been 5 years since the big AEC scare which did prompt the government to speak out more than normal when it comes to pushing for more English in schools but it was mostly rhetoric and they ended up retracting funding which continues the cycle of low quality teachers and education content. There are also a lot of young Thais, in Bangkok and more so the provinces, who don't think about the practical benefits of learning English until its forced upon them.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035144]Our first stop was CH. Big mistake because my Thai friend was denied entrance.

The vibe was just not good so we left after our first beer amd headed over to Cowboy 2.
Completely the ladies choice but the bar still has bar fine rules. 2,500 before midnight and 1,000 after midnight.

This time the doorman saw me and insisted I pay for a drink at the door before going in. This was the first time this ever hapenned to me. Normally, for the principal of the matter I wouldn't do it but I really wanted to check out the action so I complied.

One of my top 10! After we showered up, exchanged line and phone numbers amd I was off. A good 3 hour ST experience and well worth the 3,000 plus 500 Tip.

[/QUOTE]What a fantastic report. And so many lessons for green punters. Thank you BKKDog.

A couple of questions and comments:

1. Why on earth is a Thai refused entry at CH? I have not seen this happen anywhere else and I have not been to CH with a Thai man, so pardon my ignorance.

2. How much did you say the barfine is at Cowboy 2 ? Looks incredibly steep. Have not been there in ages.

3. A huge lesson for punters. Never let your ego get the better of you. Had you refused to pay upfront for a drink and walked away (like so many I know would) the whole encounter would have just not happened.

4,. Despite poor experiences in the past you remained focused on the key objective. You did not let a few 100 baht ruin the mood. And I think the girl knew that she had overquoted 3000 but since you did not negotiate she voluntarily turned it into an extended ST. I hope some of price police here make note of this.

Fantastic stuff!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2035263]I had 3 girls in 2 weeks with zero English my last visit to Bangkok recently. They are there. I wouldn't know about the soapies, I haven't been to a soapy in about 10 years. Those soapy girls are more hard core, so I would guess none of them can't speak at least a little English. Considering the daily number of dicks those soapy girls have entering their vaginas, I wouldn't want to bareback one anyway. But there are certain gogos and beer bars that often have new girls who have no English skills. If you befriend and tip a mamasan in advance, they will even send you a text when new ones arrive. Many times those girls only work there a short time and are never seen again.[/QUOTE]Soapy girls more "hard core"? No idea what that means. They certainly aren't pornstars. Funny you think Soapy girls have so many customers. I think the PSE shop girls are likely to do more sessions, if they are popular. A soapy girl may just do one or two. Anyway it us not the number of dicks, it is more the types of customer and where those guys have been.

My buddy barebacking bargirls that could speak English caught a dose of Gonnor in his first week in Thailand.

In old days Soapies was a place to get non Thai girls and now the Bumese girls with zero English could be in beer bars. Even my Cambodian girls had good english but one true Laos said she had zero English. I did not test her.

I only a single beer bar girl in last few years from Stumble Inn. They really have to speak good English in there.

As I normally speak Thai, I can't tell the absolute zero girls that easily however they all start with "What your name?" "Where you come from?" Don't know if these still qualify for zero English.

When I first came to Thailand and took a soapy girl with me having zero Thai, that was when I knew the girl had zero English. Still enjoyed. Must admit I was scared to fuck her with no condom since I did not want the wife to catch something.

Too me, anyone doing BB with plenty of girls is willing to wear the cost of catching Gonor or Chlamydia from time to time, or one of the other less common.

If it easy to get BB from a girl, whether she speaks English or not, then it is best I don't want it due to possible repercussions with more important girls. If a new girl offers it to me straight off I will likely refuse. I recall knocking that back from very low class bargirls.

Depends on yoyr assessment of how many guys she already fucked. So I understand point about girls fresh off the farm that may have fucked a limited number of Thai boys only.

A couple of years back I did a Long Gun girl fresh off the farm and she did not know to use a condom first time. On a repeat she had changed to use a condom, taught by the doctor. That was good for her. You meet some ignorant girls although she probably still had very small English ability maybe. They try to forget everything learned in school but a few basic phrases probably stick.

She was not that good on the bed so first time was really only good enough satisfaction due to the BB. Did not CIP. Without BB she was below average. Good tight body and face but did not know how to fuck really.

I am in Phnom Penh. In first few days I could easily learn some basic phrases, in fact I have a few on the first day from taxi driver. Does not mean there is any comprehension when spoken to of course. So what is zero English? I assume if girl does not know Good or thankyou, then that is zero.

The Cambodian waiter says to me "check bin" ha ha. He is speaking to me in Thai, thinking it was English. LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2035236]Bkkdog, I was in CH at about 8 pm or 8. 30 because line up is theoretically better early on.

The bar cannot let you drink lady drinks because it costs them 60 Baht commission to the girl. So they make less money. I got away with this scam at Suzi Wong a couple of years ago to help a girl make her monthly drinks quota. I can see why CH needed to ban the practice because customer and lady drinks are virtually the same price.

They should actually charge more for a lady drink to cover her commission if 60 baht, however I am happy the lady drink price is lower than at Suzie.

Yes some of the staff are shitty. I really don't care. All bills have to be signed to avoid ripoffs or anything unexpected. Even BF has a bill sheet to be signed these days.

To my taste, the average girl standard in CH has declined as they slowly move to a more Bacarra like look. So am surprised you liked it more than previously. I particularly liked it in its first year although my favourite was there about two years ago. The most stunning girls are all gone in my opinion. One extreme cutie left to have a baby and probably wreck her great body. Could not stand that thought.[/QUOTE]I was there about 11:00 and it was better than I had ever seen it. I read your report from Thursday night and it seemed to state it wasn't as good. Honestly, this was the first time I actually had a good time there despite all the drama.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2035304]What a fantastic report. And so many lessons for green punters. Thank you BKKDog.

A couple of questions and comments:

1. Why on earth is a Thai refused entry at CH? I have not seen this happen anywhere else and I have not been to CH with a Thai man, so pardon my ignorance.

2. How much did you say the barfine is at Cowboy 2 ? Looks incredibly steep. Have not been there in ages.

3. A huge lesson for punters. Never let your ego get the better of you. Had you refused to pay upfront for a drink and walked away (like so many I know would) the whole encounter would have just not happened.

4,. Despite poor experiences in the past you remained focused on the key objective. You did not let a few 100 baht ruin the mood. And I think the girl knew that she had overquoted 3000 but since you did not negotiate she voluntarily turned it into an extended ST. I hope some of price police here make note of this.

Fantastic stuff![/QUOTE]I suspect they are afraid of Thai men being police who are not on their payroll. Technically its illegal to have nude dancers on stage.

The bar fine at Cowboy 2 is 2,500 before midnight and 1,000 after. It is because they are trying to give the impression of being higher class or more high so as the Thais put it. As I stated, it's set up more like a G club so the ladies are not obligated to go out with a customer but if they do, it is worth their while. 2 years ago I was quoted 6,000ST there and I did not like the lady enough to take the plunge. Cowboy, Dejavu are in a group of Agogos that are confusing to most mongers. They think every lady on Soi Cowboy is barfinable. It's unfortunate that they exist as apposed to Nana Plaza where it's completely the opposite. If you enter one of these clubs, go with no expectations and just have fun. You never know what might happen.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2035140]In my opinion, that type of hunt is not difficult. Find a Thai girl who speaks no English at all.[/QUOTE]At the other end of the spectrum, I have had some of the smoothest and most hassle-free moves into BB on first meeting with highly educated Thai girls who speak English quite fluently. In fact, some of the easiest times I have had in the past few months were with three attractive nurses who work at some of the biggest hospitals located in Bangkok's red light districts. One of them even works in the area of the hospital that does routine HIV / STI screening. Not where I get my routine blood checks, though. Met them on dating sites. So I am not talking about bargirls exactly. Each knows I am not exclusive to them or anyone. Only one bothered to look at my latest blood check document, which I always offer to show when the subject comes up, because she was curious to see how Thai Red Cross Society's document looks compared with the one she gets as a medical professional.

In every case, we were boffing BB within an hour of entering my apartment on the very first meeting day. When the subject of going back to my room comes up, I mention that I have had a vasectomy and that I have a current clean blood check document if they would like to see it. As I said, only one was curious to see it. All three felt perfectly safe in going forward with BB sex. Well educated, particularly in the risks involved, and quite English-fluent. Same with most of the other better-educated, English-fluent Thai girls I have met over the past 5 years.

It's the ones in the middle, low educated girls who are mostly going on tall tales, boogie-man stories and rumors about the risks who are the most likely to dig in and not care about blood check documents who are most likely to say "no condom, no sex" in my experience.

Not sure if anyone posted this guy yet but this (ex?) bar owner has some really nice tips / tricks / info for newbies (like myself hehe). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rswu90CDkRo[/URL] Thought I'd share. Something different for once compared to the undercover video's of all areas.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2035315]

As I normally speak Thai, I can't tell the absolute zero girls that easily however they all start with "What your name?" "Where you come from?" Don't know if these still qualify for zero English.[/QUOTE]If I can't communicate with them other than my name and need to enlist another girl to help me communicate, I consider them to speak no English. Yes, if you can speak Thai, it will be more difficult for you to pick out the ones who can't speak English. I can speak Indonesian, and in Indonesia when guys ask me if a girl speaks English or not, I have no idea, because I speak to the girls in Indonesian.

With four notches on my belt in a little under 24 hours I slept most of the day Thursday to prepare for the evening. A trip to Thermae.

I had never been but had read a lot about it, so I was kind of prepared. I made my way around the room and finally walked up to the hottest Japanese girl in the room. "Hi? I meekly sputtered and she just looked away. Next hottest, same response. Three standing together, all cute and neatly dressed, I said "Hi?" to the first one and she turned to second and started to laugh. I looked at the second, "No? They continued to giggle and the third turned completely around before I even could ask. Ha ha. 0 for 5.

Finally I see a thin spinner who looks a bit Japanese, and I say, "Hi?" She actually looks at me, puzzled. I say again, "Hi?" And she says, "Ok? Hi?" Instantaneously I think, do you know why you're here? But I play it cool and work it out with her, though the whole time she acts like being with me is the last place on earth she wants to be. To make matters worse, we get outside and I ask, where are you from, and she says, "Bangkok!

Not quite Japanese.

In the taxi she lightens up a bit, but I can tell this is going to be a bit of a chore. One bonus is she has an amazing pair of real breasts that aren't up in her chest but rather slope outward and then hang defiantly and she's OK with the idea of me playing with them. NO to BBBJ (can I not learn to make these arrangements ahead of time?) and an indifferent reaction to DATY (sorta defeats the purpose), though the light ruffle of hair on her mons Venus is actually a turn on for a girl her age (at the most early 20's probably).

Intercourse is the best part of it, as again I have chosen a girl with a rather unusually small vagina, but overall I'd say, it's a girl I wouldn't repeat with. I don't remember her name, but despite her looks (Japanese-ish looking Thai with blonde hair, skinny but with nice natural boobs) her attitude would probably scare off most veterans of the game, though most of it is, she's just sort of shy / awkward. It cost me 3000 baht.

After that I went to Crazy House which was finally back open and. Why would I go anywhere else? I know 'back in the day'. I wish I could have experienced it, but for now, in my opinion there are plenty of hot girls here. And they're all butt naked, which makes them so much better to look at! As I'm looking for a specific type (skinny, youngish, smaller real boobs, a little darker, and looks like she just took her first college exam) a girl gets right up in my face, who is a little thicker than skinny (well proportioned), older than youngish, with fake boobs, a little lighter, and looks like she's ready for her first shot of tequila for the night.

"I like you" she grins from ear to ear and then starts making out with me. I'm actually kind of taken aback by this, and immediately on guard, but she's having so much fun and. Wait, did I say 'having fun?' You bet I did. And we do. And I can't help but after a couple of shots of tequila say, "Let's go!

Well. As far as fun, the sex, the whole act of at least acting like she's enjoying it (I was sold) and the time spent with her. She's a 10. And gosh darn it, it wasn't what I was thinking I was looking for, but it turns out she was exactly what I was looking for. I want to see her again. She says, "We can meet before work, maybe go drink somewhere, get to know each other!

And so it begins.

Yup she was a waitress and would only go out if she liked the guy, as I had seen here 2-3 days refusing to go, till last day I drew the courage to take her, she was really nice and stayed in bed till 12 pm next day. Loved the hotel which was fine by me. Eu with colored contacts is how I remember her. Slim. Med-small on top.

Had told me she works at suzie but when her " boss " tells her she goes of with 2-3 girls to Japan and malaysia.

Mamasan dtai I take works at suzie, won't be able to ask her I guess.

I just read your FR about how often you visited sw, I visited last month and she's gone, and I should have asked the mamasan where.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2033618]Girls were in 3 categories: Dancers, waitresses, and mamasans, so I guess Ehw would be a waitress (hostess). I recall one or two very nice girls in this category. However someone would need to ask LB mamasan Dtai what happened to her. You need to collect contact info for all important girls. Even then the contact info suddenly stops working regularly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2035464]With four notches on my belt in a little under 24 hours I slept most of the day Thursday to prepare for the evening. A trip to Thermae.

I had never been but had read a lot about it, so I was kind of prepared. I made my way around the room and finally walked up to the hottest Japanese girl in the room. "Hi? I meekly sputtered and she just looked away. Next hottest, same response. Three standing together, all cute and neatly dressed, I said "Hi?" to the first one and she turned to second and started to laugh. I looked at the second, "No? They continued to giggle and the third turned completely around before I even could ask. Ha ha. 0 for 5.

Finally I see a thin spinner who looks a bit Japanese, and I say, "Hi?" She actually looks at me, puzzled. I say again, "Hi?" And she says, "Ok? Hi?" Instantaneously I think, do you know why you're here? But I play it cool and work it out with her, though the whole time she acts like being with me is the last place on earth she wants to be. To make matters worse, we get outside and I ask, where are you from, and she says, "Bangkok!

Not quite Japanese.

In the taxi she lightens up a bit, but I can tell this is going to be a bit of a chore. One bonus is she has an amazing pair of real breasts that aren't up in her chest but rather slope outward and then hang defiantly and she's OK with the idea of me playing with them. NO to BBBJ (can I not learn to make these arrangements ahead of time?) and an indifferent reaction to DATY (sorta defeats the purpose), though the light ruffle of hair on her mons Venus is actually a turn on for a girl her age (at the most early 20's probably).

Intercourse is the best part of it, as again I have chosen a girl with a rather unusually small vagina, but overall I'd say, it's a girl I wouldn't repeat with. I don't remember her name, but despite her looks (Japanese-ish looking Thai with blonde hair, skinny but with nice natural boobs) her attitude would probably scare off most veterans of the game, though most of it is, she's just sort of shy / awkward. It cost me 3000 baht.

After that I went to Crazy House which was finally back open and. Why would I go anywhere else? I know 'back in the day'. I wish I could have experienced it, but for now, in my opinion there are plenty of hot girls here. And they're all butt naked, which makes them so much better to look at! As I'm looking for a specific type (skinny, youngish, smaller real boobs, a little darker, and looks like she just took her first college exam) a girl gets right up in my face, who is a little thicker than skinny (well proportioned), older than youngish, with fake boobs, a little lighter, and looks like she's ready for her first shot of tequila for the night.

"I like you" she grins from ear to ear and then starts making out with me. I'm actually kind of taken aback by this, and immediately on guard, but she's having so much fun and. Wait, did I say 'having fun?' You bet I did. And we do. And I can't help but after a couple of shots of tequila say, "Let's go!

Well. As far as fun, the sex, the whole act of at least acting like she's enjoying it (I was sold) and the time spent with her. She's a 10. And gosh darn it, it wasn't what I was thinking I was looking for, but it turns out she was exactly what I was looking for. I want to see her again. She says, "We can meet before work, maybe go drink somewhere, get to know each other!

And so it begins.[/QUOTE]There are no Japanese girls in Thermae let alone Bangkok that are working in the bars. Where on earth did you get that idea. Actually, the girls in Thermae prefer Japanese customers so it's the other way around. Are you sure you read the forum? I think not.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035577]There are no Japanese girls in Thermae let alone Bangkok that are working in the bars. Where on earth did you get that idea. Actually, the girls in Thermae prefer Japanese customers so it's the other way around. Are you sure you read the forum? I think not.[/QUOTE]If there were Japanese girls at Thermae I would move to Bangkok in a heartbeat.

I think the poster misidentified some Thai girls in Thermae who try to look Japanese by taking on their hair styles, dress etc. In order to attract the Japanese guys. Obviously confused.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035592]If there were Japanese girls at Thermae I would move to Bangkok in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]

Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2035464]After that I went to Crazy House which was finally back open and. Why would I go anywhere else? I know 'back in the day'. I wish I could have experienced it, but for now, in my opinion there are plenty of hot girls here. And they're all butt naked, which makes them so much better to look at! As I'm looking for a specific type (skinny, youngish, smaller real boobs, a little darker, and looks like she just took her first college exam) a girl gets right up in my face, who is a little thicker than skinny (well proportioned), older than youngish, with fake boobs, a little lighter, and looks like she's ready for her first shot of tequila for the night.

"I like you" she grins from ear to ear and then starts making out with me. I'm actually kind of taken aback by this, and immediately on guard, but she's having so much fun and. Wait, did I say 'having fun?' You bet I did. And we do. And I can't help but after a couple of shots of tequila say, "Let's go!

Well. As far as fun, the sex, the whole act of at least acting like she's enjoying it (I was sold) and the time spent with her. She's a 10. And gosh darn it, it wasn't what I was thinking I was looking for, but it turns out she was exactly what I was looking for. I want to see her again. She says, "We can meet before work, maybe go drink somewhere, get to know each other!

And so it begins.[/QUOTE]She obviously was not a 10 for looks, but one of the raunchy pushy ones. You let the girl choose you, and failed to escape. LOL So I approve of your girl spec, but you got something quite different, that was not your spec. You are noted as an easy mark now. Most girls know that I am unapproachable. LOL.

Okay I know new guys get overwhelmed with lust, so as long as you enjoyed it, fine.

"Back in the day" there was less surgeries, girls had pussy hair, they were more reliable on the bed, they cost a lot less, and they ate less western junk food. So if these things are not major issues to you, then it can be pretty good now. Numbers of bargirls smoking has actually declined, I think.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2035716]Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?[/QUOTE]That lasted 1 week for some, and 1 month for others. It is noted that high colour has gone completely out of fashion though. So there is still a very high percentage of people on BTS and shopping in sombre tones, of black, white, and grey. Those wearing a colour tend to have just the plain one colour for entire shirt. Where people used to be big on red, yellow, and pink shirts, hardly see these any more. I have some colourful shirts (not Hawaiian) so I must look a bit strange on occasion.

Many people wore Hawaiian shirts at Songkran, both Thais and tourists.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2035716]Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?[/QUOTE]Yes. Overwhelming majority of Bangkokians are wearing black and white but a recent royal decree as asked for people to now wear white. Foreigners are given a reprieve though.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2035464]"I like you" she grins from ear to ear and then starts making out with me. I'm actually kind of taken aback by this, and immediately on guard, but she's having so much fun and. Wait, did I say 'having fun?' You bet I did. And we do. And I can't help but after a couple of shots of tequila say, "Let's go!

Well. As far as fun, the sex, the whole act of at least acting like she's enjoying it (I was sold) and the time spent with her. She's a 10. And gosh darn it, it wasn't what I was thinking I was looking for, but it turns out she was exactly what I was looking for. I want to see her again. She says, "We can meet before work, maybe go drink somewhere, get to know each other!

And so it begins.[/QUOTE]She wants to secure you as a customer for ladydrinks the next night and BF. The mamasan probably spotted you without you noticing, sized you up very fast (they are damn good at this), and arranged for your future bedside compansion to provide you with high energetic entertainment.

She wants you to meet up for "drinks" because you are a good customer and she wants you to return, not go to another bar. Also, I think the keyword is "maybe" as in "maybe we go somewhere", but probably just go to CH instead since she has to work.

If you like it, do it. That's always been the best rule about p4 p in my opinion. Get your moneys worth by doing what *you want. * But keep in mind, there is plenty to explore in the redlight districts if you are new. I would explore and keep this girl around if she only really does want to meet-up for drinks and it isn't near her working schedule. Doesn't hurt to have a girl or 2 on stand-by and it avoids the awkwardness of declining her in person if you feel that she is just trying to string you along for drinks. Better to do that ahead of time and see how she likes the idea of meeting up earlier in the day. If she can't do that, she almost certainly will be just luring you in her bar with a big tab.

Is a gogo dancer usually about 3 k BF + 3 k LT? In BK and PATTAY? Currently budgeting for 36 k for 6 days money for girls.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2035828]Is a gogo dancer usually about 3 k BF + 3 k LT? In BK and PATTAY? Currently budgeting for 36 k for 6 days money for girls.[/QUOTE]Have you read the forum at all? Typically bar fine is 700-1000 Baht and LT is generally 3,000 and up. This is only for Gogos though. Beer bars, LK Metro, amd freelancers have no bar fine and their rates are always a little cheaper. Bar fined over 1,000 are generally reserved for high class places.

Gogo bars BF are a bit higher in Pattaya than BKK, generally ranging from 800 to 1500 BF. Some clubs have hit 2000 BF. All clubs with BF over 1000 drop there BF to 1000 after midnight. There may be the odd exception as I don't know the exact current BF rates of every Pattaya gogo club.

Beer bar BF are generally 300-350 baht.

ST and LT rates depend greatly on how much the girls believe they can extract from you. My prices are lower than what a "Weekend Millionaire" pays. I assume the same applies to BKKdog and Mr. E as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035863]Gogo bars BF are a bit higher in Pattaya than BKK, generally ranging from 800 to 1500 BF. Some clubs have hit 2000 BF. All clubs with BF over 1000 drop there BF to 1000 after midnight. There may be the odd exception as I don't know the exact current BF rates of every Pattaya gogo club.

Beer bar BF are generally 300-350 baht.

ST and LT rates depend greatly on how much the girls believe they can extract from you. My prices are lower than what a "Weekend Millionaire" pays. I assume the same applies to BKKdog and Mr. E as well.[/QUOTE]What are the BFs are Soi Cowboy?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035847]Have you read the forum at all? Typically bar fine is 700-1000 Baht and LT is generally 3,000 and up. This is only for Gogos though. Beer bars, LK Metro, amd freelancers have no bar fine and their rates are always a little cheaper. Bar fined over 1,000 are generally reserved for high class places.[/QUOTE]Not much discussion on prices the posts use inside knowledge which I don't have.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2035716]Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?[/QUOTE]You can wear whatever you want as long as it's not offensive. But around this time of year I advise shorts and thin tops to be comfortable. Most young tourists travel light and cycle through the same 3-4 outfits or buy the generic 3 for 500 baht t-shirts off the bargain rack.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2035875]What are the BFs are Soi Cowboy?[/QUOTE]Considering you took a Coyote girl in the past and supposedly paid 3000 baht for her bar fine, I can understand why you would ask.

Normal Soi Cowboy BF is 700 baht. If you take a coyote, all bets are off. They will normally ask 1500 for BF and want more for ST and LT than the other girls, but they could ask any amount. Some coyotes won't go home with you at all. I don't even mess with the coyotes. I won't even buy them a drink. I'd prefer they weren't there at all.

If you want anal, go to Eden Club, not soi cowboy. The Eden Club girls are well trained and up for anything including anal, lesbian, strap-ONS and outfits. But the girls at Eden club are not young for the most part.

At Soi Cowboy, after paying the bar fine, fees for the girls for short time and long time are different depending on the bar. For example, if you go to Baccara or Crazy House, the girls will be more expensive than if you go to Tilac, Rawhide, Long Gun, etc. You just have to try the bars and find a girl you like then negotiate price. I have never paid more than 3000 for short time and that girl was an absolute stunner. Average short time these days is 2000 to 2500 baht. Long time, I have no idea because I have zero interest in taking any of these girls long time. I work in the morning and want them to leave my room 5 minutes after I cum.

Since you like Germany, you may want to try a bar on soi 33 that has girls doing S&M shows. I think it's called Demonia or something like that. There are some very nice girls on soi 33, but they are more expensive than soi cowboy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2035891] Average short time these days is 2000 to 2500 baht. Long time, I have no idea because I have zero interest in taking any of these girls long time.[/QUOTE]It seems like 3000 is becoming more common. Have seen this magic number come up many times at the busier / popular places (Shark in SC, Billboard in Nana). As for Pattaya, same for popular places like skyfall. Any place with lot's of mamasans wants 3000ST.

But the smaller places with no or few mamasans (mercury in nana) can easily get 2000-2500. Also the young / cute / taller ones always want 3000 but the middle-of-the-road girls (at the busier places) can do 2000-2500. However, I think the talent (service AND looks) tends to be at the busier places so you do get more value on the premium if you pay more. It's all a business / market afterall.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2035891] Some coyotes won't go home with you at all. I don't even mess with the coyotes. I won't even buy them a drink. I'd prefer they weren't there at all.

Since you like Germany, you may want to try a bar on soi 33 that has girls doing S&M shows. I think it's called Demonia or something like that. There are some very nice girls on soi 33, but they are more expensive than soi cowboy.[/QUOTE]Coyotes used to be not barfinable or not available for sex. It's all changing. All these agency girls are coming to work in the bars especially Nana and they are designated as Coyotes. All girls in Billboard are Coyotes except for those in the bath suds I think.

Half the time Coyote label is just an excuse to charge more for barfines. Many do not know how to dance Coyote style and don't even have the normal Coyote outfit. The normal outfit has cut off jean shorts or similar very short shorts exposing some ass cheek, and up top a double layer bra possibly with padding and extreme push up. The idea is that you don't know that a high proportion of Coyotes in Nana have no tits to speak of, and possibly the same in Cowboy. Coyotes are spreading there badly, including Lighthouse, Doll House etc. Thankfully none in Crazy House because it's the nudie house.

Asking the staff at Twisters, which girls were Coyotes, got confusing and conflicting answers. The waitresses clearly don't know. I think the bottom line is at any bar where the BF is 1000 or higher, then the girl is designated as a Coyote, no matter how dressed, as long as not topless or nude or exposing pussy. Coyotes are above that sort of thing, which is why we have to be wary of them. However bras can be pulled aside to check out the tits a bit and see how much is just padding.

Liking Germany (for mongering) has zero to do with S&M, or perhaps the reason for mentioning that is located further back, and I did not pay attention.

I have certainly done a few of the Coyotes with cheaper barfines, like 1000 or so. Anna at Mercury was a girl I had fucked before, and girls at Billboard, Twisters, and recently Doll House were designated as Coyotes I think but it meant very little in practice, other than tits were very well covered before peeking in some cases. They all had smallish tits because I avoid sillies.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2035879]Not much discussion on prices the posts use inside knowledge which I don't have.[/QUOTE]Wrong. The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. You did not search or read.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035965]The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. [/QUOTE]So much so I think we need a separate thread for Cheap Charlie's named "Bangkok and Pattaya budget reviews". Guys can post all their "living in the past" and "good old days" comments as well as finding FL's for under 800 baht.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2035613]I think the poster misidentified some Thai girls in Thermae who try to look Japanese by taking on their hair styles, dress etc. In order to attract the Japanese guys. Obviously confused.[/QUOTE]I did. Apologies if I got anyone's hopes up, LOL.

Clearly I haven't read and memorized every post in the thread, or I would have known better!

It is nice they at least try to look Japanese.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035965]Wrong. The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. You did not search or read.[/QUOTE]The last review with price listed at expensive gogo is how many pages back?

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2035893]It seems like 3000 is becoming more common. [/QUOTE]I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2036036]I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.[/QUOTE]So if in 1999 go go girls got 1000 bt for ST and in 2017 go go girls get 3000 bt for ST then by my calculations that would make it a 6.29 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices over 18 years. And if instead we assume in 2017 go go girls get 2500 bt for ST, then that would make it a 5.22 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices.

Anyway you slice it, its not good because the go go girly rate increases far exceed the annual rate of inflation and wage increases in the developed countries where most foreign punters travel from to LOS for a little hanky panky as well as Thailand itself which averaged 2% annual rate of inflation despite a few peaks and troughs and very tame recent rate of inflation over the same 18 year time period. BUT actually it's not the end of the world economically speaking. I have seen far larger increases in goods and services in my time in America back in the '70s and 80's, which explains why the aggregate demand for Thai pussy has not fallen off, YET!

Assuming the 6.29 rate of go go wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000bt will be the asking price in 4.75 years (early 2022) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 8.5 years or by January 1, 2026. Now assuming that the 5.22% rate of go go girl wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000 bt will be the asking price in 6 years (2023) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 10 years (2027). So better make a lot of money gents, start shopping for SW's, or settle down with your one or two special girls LOL. Hey, what was the price of Soi 4 SW's in 1999?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2036054]So if in 1999 go go girls got 1000 bt for ST and in 2017 go go girls get 3000 bt for ST then by my calculations that would make it a 6.29 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices over 18 years. And if instead we assume in 2017 go go girls get 2500 bt for ST, then that would make it a 5.22 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices.

Anyway you slice it, its not good because the go go girly rate increases far exceed the annual rate of inflation and wage increases in the developed countries where most foreign punters travel from to LOS for a little hanky panky as well as Thailand itself which averaged 2% annual rate of inflation despite a few peaks and troughs and very tame recent rate of inflation over the same 18 year time period. BUT actually it's not the end of the world economically speaking. I have seen far larger increases in goods and services in my time in America back in the '70s and 80's, which explains why the aggregate demand for Thai pussy has not fallen off, YET!

Assuming the 6.29 rate of go go wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000bt will be the asking price in 4.75 years (early 2022) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 8.5 years or by January 1, 2026. Now assuming that the 5.22% rate of go go girl wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000 bt will be the asking price in 6 years (2023) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 10 years (2027). So better make a lot of money gents, start shopping for SW's, or settle down with your one or two special girls LOL. Hey, what was the price of Soi 4 SW's in 1999?[/QUOTE]In '99 I paid 500 Baht for SW, 1 k ST 1. 5 K LT for GoGo gals, and 1 K for Thermae gals. Pattaya paid 500 Baht for Soi 6 gals and 1 k ST 1. 5 K LT for GoGo gals. FL in Pattaya between 500 and 1 k.

My point exactly, the rate for gals has far exceeded the inflation rate here, and you are not getting more bang for your buck. In most cases it is less. FL prices have increased at reasonable rate. GoGo prices have not. BFs in the late 90's were 400 in Cowboy and 500 in Nana. Also drinks were sub 100 Baht. And remember, you received 40 plus Baht per USD. BF. ST, and a couple of drinks would not even be 50 USD. Now you are hard pressed to get that under 125 USD.

But blame the punters not the gals. If there are dudes willing to pay that for 15-30 min of action; good on the gal for being able to get it. But it has completely ruined the GoGo scene for a vast majority of the guys I know.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2036036]I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.[/QUOTE]Drinks were far cheaper. Most places in Cowboy were sub 100 Baht. Nana was 100 Baht. That was less that 2 USD in the case of Cowboy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035989]So much so I think we need a separate thread for Cheap Charlie's named "Bangkok and Pattaya budget reviews". Guys can post all their "living in the past" and "good old days" comments as well as finding FL's for under 800 baht.[/QUOTE]As I have stated many times; I would have no problem paying current prices if looks and performance were reflected in price. But to pay three times the amount one used to pay for subpar service is ridiculous.

Planning another visit so checked out ISG Thailand to see what's going on. I must have spent the guts of an hour getting up to date. Sad to say the Thai forum has become a platform for certain members to incessantly talk about themselves, what they like what they dislike how they spend their evenings yadda yadda yadda. Don't they have friends to chat with?. It's not to say they don't now and then have something useful to contribute but mostly it's just too many self-indulgent and irrelevant posts at least for a simple lad like myself who is just interested in the who, where, what and how much. I know I get it what is this post contributing? Nothing, but it's just the one not thousands. So anyway two of my favorites are gone Nataree and Tandy massage. Anybody know where the girls who worked at Nataree went. I guess all over the place but sometimes a large chunk might have transferred to a particular outfit. Looking forward to Crazy Horse and some individual providers with good reviews.

[QUOTE=Cool;2035889]You can wear whatever you want as long as it's not offensive. But around this time of year I advise shorts and thin tops to be comfortable. Most young tourists travel light and cycle through the same 3-4 outfits or buy the generic 3 for 500 baht t-shirts off the bargain rack.[/QUOTE]He was asking about the locals. And yes they are still in morning until after the cremation. Then they can return to their colorful lifestyles.

RL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2036069]As I have stated many times; I would have no problem paying current prices if looks and performance were reflected in price. But to pay three times the amount one used to pay for subpar service is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]I used to have a full head of dark black hair a six pack. Times change. Best move on and not live in the past.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;2036072]Planning another visit so checked out ISG Thailand to see what's going on. I must have spent the guts of an hour getting up to date. Sad to say the Thai forum has become a platform for certain members to incessantly talk about themselves, what they like what they dislike how they spend their evenings yadda yadda yadda. Don't they have friends to chat with?. It's not to say they don't now and then have something useful to contribute but mostly it's just too many self-indulgent and irrelevant posts at least for a simple lad like myself who is just interested in the who, where, what and how much. I know I get it what is this post contributing? Nothing, but it's just the one not thousands. So anyway two of my favorites are gone Nataree and Tandy massage. Anybody know where the girls who worked at Nataree went. I guess all over the place but sometimes a large chunk might have transferred to a particular outfit. Looking forward to Crazy Horse and some individual providers with good reviews.[/QUOTE]The seniors you are referring too are well experienced and share there knowledge freely. I respect their contributions and input on Bkk and its constantly changing venue. They have a unique way of keeping up with the status of the quality of where the best ladies are and the prices of each menu.

Only an hour of reading this forum is hardly enough. But give respect where it is due and you will find it will come back to you. Karma. Have a good stay in Bkk.

RL.

I have a request. If it is okay by other members can we limit discussion to the current decade? Preferably the current year. I understand some members make valuable contributions and I do respect that but I question the value of knowing 1999 prices. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2036035]The last review with price listed at expensive gogo is how many pages back?[/QUOTE]So what you are saying is you want the seniors from Thailand to hold your hand and baby you because you are too lazy to read the forum. Or maybe you want Jackson to again waste his time adding another section to the already congested Thailand forum.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2036080]I have a request. If it is okay by other members can we limit discussion to the current decade? Preferably the current year. I understand some members make valuable contributions and I do respect that but I question the value of knowing 1999 prices. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Now you are starting to pissssss me off. You come to our section asking for help and then you complain about the very discussion you initiated because it does not go in the direction you hoped. Dude, biting the hand that feeds you is not the way to garner respect.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2036081]So what you are saying is you want the seniors from Thailand to hold your hand and baby you because you are too lazy to read the forum. Or maybe you want Jackson to again waste his time adding another section to the already congested Thailand forum.[/QUOTE]Yes. Too much effort. I feel bad saying all of this but you attacked me not the other way around. I simply asked a question. Usually it's okay to ask just takes one post to ask and one post to answer. Appreciate the quality responses I received from the regular quality posters.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2036083]Now you are starting to pissssss me off. You come to our section asking for help and then you complain about the very discussion you initiated because it does not go in the direction you hoped. Dude, biting the hand that feeds you is not the way to garner respect.[/QUOTE]LOL I won't fight with you. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2036084]Yes. Too much effort. I feel bad saying all of this but you attacked me not the other way around. I simply asked a question. Usually it's okay to ask just takes one post to ask and one post to answer. Appreciate the quality responses I received from the regular quality posters.[/QUOTE]I will go one step further. You asked a question and got answers but then you complained about some of the answers and discussions that developed because of your question. I have just gone through your 199 posts very quickly. I scrolled back through 10 pages and could not find one single field report. All your 199 posts are just you commenting but mostly asking questions in different country threads.

Post a freakin field report. Location, atmosphere, price, ladies number, attitude, good and bad experiences. I'll give you an example of a field report. You can take notes if you wish.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1978758]For hotels, stay at the Sunnee Grand hotel and convention centre or V hotel.



Hostess and Kareoke bars:

There are both karaoke bars and hostess bars with girls even more attractive than those in the massage parlors. What is the difference? Well, it's simple. If you take The View in northern Ubon, that would be a typical hostess bar, with plenty of girls that will sit with you as long as you buy them drinks. A similar joint is Alive, located in downtown. Things are obviously a little different at Starlight Karaoke, where you would pay 200 Baht per hour for the rent of a private karaoke room plus 200 Baht per hour for one of their super hot and white skinned girls plus drinks (Beer 150-180 Baht, Red Label 1,900 Baht). My personal recommendation through is the brand new Sherbet, a mix of hostess bar and karaoke means you can first hang out with the girls downstairs which looks like an ordinary bar with live music and then later on (if you feel like) sing songs on the second floor.

I had a great time at the place. The owner is from Bangkok and speaks perfect English. I hung out with a beautiful white skinned girl and back to my room for 2,000 LT.

Bars:

Tawan Daeng.

Tawan Daeng UbonTawan Daeng is an institution all over Isaan and northern Thailand, pretty much every province capital has its own branch of this hugely popular franchise. It's the perfect place to bring your girlfriend, enjoy some dinner and watch the show on the huge stage with Isaan style Molam Music. Very nice and attentive staff and unlike some other branches like in Buriram, the Tawan Daeng Ubon starts getting busy pretty much every single night from 10 pm onwards.

I checked this place out for about an hour but mostly couples and big groups of guys and gals together. Not easy to approach.

Country Club.

Night Club in Ubon RatchathaniThe most popular night club in Ubon Ratchathani. And if you want to hit on some local girls, then this is the place to do it as, unlike most other Thai style night clubs, the tables are very close to each other and people walk and look around a lot to meet and greet new people. No cover charge in Country, like in all other clubs in town, so you can just have a look if you like it. Beware of (or look out for) the ladyboys who typically like to hang out right in front of the stage but aren't too shy (unlike the girls) to come over to your table and say Hi.

I had some good luck here with a local university girl out with her friend one night. We drank and partied all night and back to my hotel. This was a freebie for me, I just took care of the bill at the bar for the two ladies and lunch the following day with my lady.

You-Bar.

You Bar UbonI was surprised when I found out they have you-Bar in Ubon, since the club of the same name is the most popular club in Khon Kaen. It obviously has the same owner here, but it's significantly smaller and the best days to party here are really Fridays and Saturdays. On weekdays, it tends to stay half empty and then the whole atmosphere is somewhat dull. Still, you-Bar is one of the best night clubs in Ubon and it's also the newest and most modern one with the coolest design, thus attracting the Hi-So Thais of the province.

This place reminds me of Mixx in Bangkok but with less freelancers. You need your A game here and I was able to get many phone numbers but I did not have the time to follow up since I was leaving the next day. If I was a local expat there, this would be my first choice to meet ladies for potential GF.

There are a few more night clubs in Ubon Ratchathani, such as Warp Club, the-WA, Fuse Pub and Shark.

Soapy Massage Parlors in Ubon Ratchathani:

There are three soapy massage parlors in Ubon. They all have the typical fishbowl arrangement, however, there's no glass and you can invite a girl to have a drink with you before you decide on whether to go for the full program.

Amati.

Soapy Massage Parlor in Ubon RatchathaniThe best massage parlor in town. The location is quite typical for that type of place, very central but still somewhat hidden in a narrow alley connecting Uppalisan Road and Suriyat Alley. You can't miss it with the huge posters of girls in bikinis on the wall of the building. Upon entry to Amati, one of the polite papasans will sit down next to you on a sofa and make useful recommendations of the girls. They are divided into three categories, depending on age and attractiveness: 1,500 Baht / 1,800 Baht / 2,000 Baht. You may, if you want, arrange a tip with your girl of like 500 Baht for the second round and then follow her into the modern and friendly room that has a big bed, TV and a super nice and big whirlpool.

Palace.

Palace Massage Parlor UbonBright red light is illuminating the entrance to Palace Aap Nuat in the otherwise relatively quiet Phalochai Road. While the place as such has definitely seen better times, the same cannot be said of the massage girls most of whom are attractive and light skinned. Two categories and prices at Palace: 1,400 Baht and 1,700 Baht. The atmosphere with the narrow lobby and small and old rooms isn't that great at all, but if you pick the right girl it can still be very enjoyable. Oh, and they have Japanese porn running nonstop in the rooms and even better: mirrors on the walls.

I didn't try these places due to time restrictions so I will give them all a shot this next trip.

Long Beach.

Long Beach UbonLocated right behind the Pathumrat Hotel, Long Beach is the third massage parlor in Ubon Ratchathani. It has the biggest fishbowl of the three, but strange the selection is the worst. The four different prices at Long Beach are 1,000 Baht, 1,400 Baht, 1,700 Baht and 1,900 Baht.

Happy Ending Massage in Ubon Ratchathani:

Z-Through Spa where they tell you right upon entry that it's 699 Baht for an aroma massage plus 500 Baht for a hand job plus 500 Baht for body to body treatment.

Not my cup of tea but you might find a diamond in the ruff there.

I will be there again Jan 12-14 and will update on all of these again.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035144]Started off eating with a Thai buddy of mine at The Old Dutch Mill. It's at the corner end of Soi Cowboy on the Suk Soi 23 end around the corner from CH. As we were eating, we could see all the ladies coming in to work. We were keeping track and guessing how many of them would go into Baccara. About 80% looked extremely hot and most were entering Baccara. After eating we did a couple of laps on Soi Cowboy checking out the girls standing out front.

Our first stop was CH. Big mistake because my Thai friend was denied entrance. We then headed into Baccara. The ground floor was packed with Japamwse guys and there were so many girls on stage, it was difficult for them to dance so all they could do was stand there and wiggle their hips a little. There were two groups and the econd group was mixed in with the crowd of customers, so many ladies. We decided to go upstairs where the girls are all in Thai school girl uniforms and topless with no panties. I personally love the upstairs much better, the girls are better looking and nautier IMO. Howeever, it just wasn't much fun though for some reason. The vibe was just not good so we left after our first beer amd headed over to Cowboy 2.

Cowboy 2 is just full of hot ladies but about 50% aren't barfinable. Anyways in here we had a great time. The tables around the outside of the bar and stage have a separate pole and dancing area for a lady to entertain the guests. There was a group of 3 ladies with darker skin with average faces that managed to swindle some drinks from us. One slightly heavier but sexy girl insisted on dancing for us. She was quite good and I enjoyed teasing her with 100 Baht notes and sticking them into her panties while sometimes pulling them all the way down. I then took a tour around the bar and found us a couple of real nice white skinned beauties to join us. We played with them for a while and one of the other three didn't get the hint so continued to stay and tried for more drinks. Anyways if you want a nice laid back bar to drink amd flirt with the ladies, this is it. It's more like a G club in the way that it's not guaranteed the lady will leave with you. Completely the ladies choice but the bar still has bar fine rules. 2,500 before midnight and 1,000 after midnight. Where a G club has no bar fine. After we left my Thai friend went home so I headed back over to CH. I wanted to see what I was missing.

In the past I have been into CH and was not impresssd. In fact, during my 6 years in Bangkok, I have only bar fined 2 or 3 ladies from there. I always found the staff very rude and trying to rip me off by padding the bill. This time the doorman saw me and insisted I pay for a drink at the door before going in. This was the first time this ever hapenned to me. Normally, for the principal of the matter I wouldn't do it but I really wanted to check out the action so I complied. Upon entering, I couldn't believe my eyes. The stage was full of completely naked ladies and about 80% were above a 7. The upstairs which is normally shut down was on fire amd packed with ladies and customers. To say the least, it didn't take me long to find someone. Back downstairs I walked around the stage once and spotted this spinner with the most amazing rear end. She was just perfect with natural be cups to match. Her skin was darker than I normally like but her ass and body were so amazing, I couldn't help myself. I wasn't going to waste anytime so I called her down. I bought 5 shots for her right away. Interestingly enough, she could only finish 4 of them so I offered to drink one and we had a good cheers. Then something strange happened. 2 servers and 2 Moma sons came over and there was a big long discussion with them and my lady. It turns out that customers aren't aloud to drink a LD that was bought for the lady. They took one of her drink chits back so she wouldn't get paid for it. Unless the dequila is fake, I don't see the need for this rule. It tasted real amd strong enough for me. This time I was on the side of the lady amd protested but to no avail, they took her chit. In the past it was some of the ladies who tried to rip me off by agreeing to be bar fined and then after getting their drinks, changing their minds or trying to order drinks without me knowing. This is why I don't normally like CH because there is always drama. Anyways after this, I paid the 700 Baht bar fine and my bill. I had 2 Moma sons and 2 servers around begging for tips. Always this drama, but this time the girls were so hot so I sucked it up and pushed forward.

Her name is Noi and she also goes by Minth, she is no. 21. From what I hear, the numbers often change so her number may be different at a later time. Anyways, I just signed up for my 2nd ST and ST room encounter in the last 6 years. I used to always insist on LT but I would like to stop takimg ladies back to my condo for privacy reasons. She asked for 3,000 and I agreed. I could have paid 2,500 but I didn't care to negotiate over 500 Baht with this hottie. We headed over to the ST room hand in hand at the opposite end of Soi Cowboy. The cost of the room was 350 Baht and decent quality and clean. What I liked about this girl first off is she is under 25 but she was in no rush. This felt like an extended ST. We talked for about 45 minutes pre shower on the bed and then another 30 minutes after the shower naked on the bed. Then started cuddling and making out. Her body was just so amazing, I spent a good 30 minutes exploring every inch with my hands and then my tongue on her pussy. She loved it and was wiggling around making sexy noises. I couldn't resist anymore and moved into position to start the main event. Whoops, in the heat of the moment we had both forgot about the condom. After a little action without, she decided it was best to get one so she stuck her head out the door of the room and the staff passed her a condom. The blissful Action then continued in mish, then cowgirl, with the main event in doggy. Man I did not last long in doggy, her ass was so amazing. One of my top 10! After we showered up, exchanged line and phone numbers amd I was off. A good 3 hour ST experience and well worth the 3,000 plus 500 Tip.

Body- 10.

Face -8.

Atitude-10.

Service-10 GFE.

Repeat- Yes but not in CH. Will meet up through Line.

All in all, I don't really like CH. The bottom floor is always crowded, the staff are rude and pushy, and they always try to rip you off and beg for tips. However, if you can overlook this, on some occasions like Friday night, they have the best line up in the city on the stage completely naked for you to choose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031328]Tonight tried to get a motorcycle from Sukhumvit to Ratchada Soi 7. Distance is 4. 3 km. Rider wanted 120 Baht. I offered 80. He was not interested. I took the MRT. Much cheaper.

Called into The Lord. They were pretty busy. 40 girls on show perhaps, maybe a bit less. I am told they have 100 girls each night so others had to be busy. Price categories for Farang are R 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K , L, XL and XX, Did not see any above a K, so they were either upstairs or busy. 90 minutes session. Never found any girl quite as stunning as K35 I spotted first visit a few weeks ago.

After looking quite some time, picked an M level girl, Maybe was M36? Name was Jaeng from Chiang Rai. Very white skin (not the reason), all natural looking (a reason) and cute nose. 25 YO no babies. I believe The Lord does not accept any girls with babies or tram tracks on belly etc. Tats are accepted but my girl had none and no piercings. Face was an 8, not quite stunning, figure a 7 (slightly disappointing when clothes were off), Tits Acup naturals firm. Ass so so.

Supposedly the service was guaranteed to be super here. She was playful in the bath and liked to make naughty jokes. BBBJ in the bath scores a 6.

There was virtually no kissing beyond a peck so she cannot qualify for GFE at all. She seemed extremely sensitive and either orgasmed from DATY in fairly short time or faked it. She did not tolerate doggy very well, but O.K. in other positions with legs a little on the stiff side. Her BBBJ was only a 6 at best, Her handjob somewhat better but I did not go there to get wanked.

Girl said she gets 3000 baht from non farang customers' fees, so house must be taking at least 2300 per booking. That is very steep overhead.

Overall assessment of her:
Skills average, level of fun average, GFE missing, body average, face well above average. My top 3 pretty girls ever from Crazy House were prettier, more GFE and more fun on the bed and cheaper. My recent Evita girl was very comparable in many things, slightly behind for face looks, but better ass, and better BBBJ and good GFE/DFK, at a fraction of the price. The Evita girl was less fun in the bath not having been taught well enough most likely.

I think one would have to spend significant time in The Lord to meet the real super stunners. They must be mostly busy and not in the line up. Without getting the super stunners, I fail to see how the other girls are really worth the price. Probably many guys will have a regular girl that looks good, is a lot of fun, fucks really great and stays all night for quite a bit less money. I am probably done with The Lord. There is just no value. O.K. for the very rich guys they take a membership and wait around to find the super stunners.

I went to The Lord expecting extra super service. I did not get that. It was O.K. but all too ordinary. To pay big money you need something out of this world, right. BTW 50% of The Lord girls have implants and a very high percentage have nose jobs. Some guys will like this. It is not a plus for me. I would automatically avoid sillies, and only take an extra subtle nose job.

If I am going to repeat the best girls I find, I know I can get one vastly cheaper such as my Evita 2K girl, and so do her a lot more often for the same money, plus get 2 hours, and get a good GFE. Its a no brainer. Collect maybe some more girls like her or even prettier but still at a good price. For guys that don't like repeating, its a roll of the dice if they get a girl that is any good. So I imagine most will want extra cheap, if going to roll the dice on the performance level.

Next assignment will be to try some cheaper Smooci girls I guess, to see if can get an exceptional girl from that source. Obviously it could be hit and miss so will have to try more than once. Also should try Tulip and SW again and see if any of the girls are palatable. I know the odd girl at Mango is O.K. for me.

My summary of The Lord girls, is the line up may have the odd stunner, plenty of non stunners, but overall is underwhelming for a guy like me allergic to surgeries. Sure they look significantly better than a Bacarra line up to me, on average but that still isn't the answer. I don't see myself paying high prices for fake stuff. There are still some average bodies there covered up. I mean average compared to best nude girl figures in the gogos. The Lord have got this game sewn up and can get away with the very high prices because the elite customers will pay them and having a large set of girls puts them well in front of other up market joints.

I was told that my white skinned girl hardly ever gets a Farang customer, because Farangs like dark skin Issan girls with big eyes and big noses. LOL Yet I picked her due to lack of surgeries and a cute little nose.[/QUOTE]




If you had of read my report on Soi Cowboy only 3 pages back, you would have answered your own questions

Now, get off your arse and post a field report if it's not too much effort for you.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2036067]Drinks were far cheaper. Most places in Cowboy were sub 100 Baht. Nana was 100 Baht. That was less that 2 USD in the case of Cowboy.[/QUOTE]So if drinks were 100 baht at Nana back in 1999, they haven't even doubled in price since 1999. That's not bad.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2036080]I have a request. If it is okay by other members can we limit discussion to the current decade? Preferably the current year. I understand some members make valuable contributions and I do respect that but I question the value of knowing 1999 prices. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Considering I posted a reply to your original post with current prices just before I posted the 1999 observation, you are either a ******* or a moron to make a comment like that. You won't get getting any more info from me. Go back to paying 3000 baht bar fine and 9000 baht total for a sub performer, you clown.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2036090]Considering I posted a reply to your original post with current prices just before I posted the 1999 observation, you are either a ******* or a moron to make a comment like that. You won't get getting any more info from me. Go back to paying 3000 baht bar fine and 9000 baht total for a sub performer, you clown.[/QUOTE]Smoothy, I checked out this guys posts and out of 199 posts, I couldn't find one field report. He bounces from the German threads to other country threads asking questions before he visits and nothing else. He never contributes a dam thing.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;2036072]Planning another visit so checked out ISG Thailand to see what's going on. I must have spent the guts of an hour getting up to date. Sad to say the Thai forum has become a platform for certain members to incessantly talk about themselves, what they like what they dislike how they spend their evenings yadda yadda yadda. Don't they have friends to chat with?. It's not to say they don't now and then have something useful to contribute but mostly it's just too many self-indulgent and irrelevant posts at least for a simple lad like myself who is just interested in the who, where, what and how much. I know I get it what is this post contributing? Nothing, but it's just the one not thousands. So anyway two of my favorites are gone Nataree and Tandy massage. Anybody know where the girls who worked at Nataree went. I guess all over the place but sometimes a large chunk might have transferred to a particular outfit. Looking forward to Crazy Horse and some individual providers with good reviews.[/QUOTE]These reports by the members you're referring to are very helpful to people who are coming to Thailand. Sharing of experiences including likes and dislikes helps other people by showing them what life is like here for someone in this hobby. I respect your opinion because you have posted a few good reports. I hope you can see it a little differently now.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2036054]So if in 1999 go go girls got 1000 bt for ST and in 2017 go go girls get 3000 bt for ST then by my calculations that would make it a 6.29 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices over 18 years. And if instead we assume in 2017 go go girls get 2500 bt for ST, then that would make it a 5.22 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices.

Anyway you slice it, its not good because the go go girly rate increases far exceed the annual rate of inflation and wage increases in the developed countries where most foreign punters travel from to LOS for a little hanky panky as well as Thailand itself which averaged 2% annual rate of inflation despite a few peaks and troughs and very tame recent rate of inflation over the same 18 year time period. BUT actually it's not the end of the world economically speaking. I have seen far larger increases in goods and services in my time in America back in the '70s and 80's, which explains why the aggregate demand for Thai pussy has not fallen off, YET!

Assuming the 6.29 rate of go go wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000bt will be the asking price in 4.75 years (early 2022) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 8.5 years or by January 1, 2026. Now assuming that the 5.22% rate of go go girl wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000 bt will be the asking price in 6 years (2023) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 10 years (2027). So better make a lot of money gents, start shopping for SW's, or settle down with your one or two special girls LOL. Hey, what was the price of Soi 4 SW's in 1999?[/QUOTE]The economics of F&B and entertainment industries in general have historically been dictated by compartmentalized changes in the socio-economics of specific scenes.

These prices you're providing are mostly Bangkok prices and that of specific and minute areas (mainstream tourist) within the Thai P4P industry as a whole. Phuket is comparable but Pattaya hasn't reached the same level. Pretty much every other area of the country is seeing P4P service pricing either unchanged or with minimal increase over that time period.

In addition, these prices have only shot up in the last 4-5 years and coincided with the tourism and foreign investment booms that occurred post 2008 housing bubble. It created a boom in the f&be industry which in turn feeds the P4P service industry. And what has resulted is the emergence of a more comprehensive high-end nightlife experience that didn't exist post 2010. Prior to that, Bangkok and Thailand as a whole had been a budget destination for leisure travel and sex but these days, there is now a push towards making it more of a luxury destination. Bangkok received top priority in the re-branding and it has led to the creation of a whole new area of the sex scene that caters towards the massive influx of multi-national businesses and young entrepreneurs who have focused their investments in SE Asia.

So, while Thailand's economy may continue to be volatile, the entertainment scene in Bangkok and other areas of the country will maintain its popularity as weekend party havens for expats living in other SE Asian countries and party tourists from around the world, until one of the other SE Asian countries provides better services and / or the pricing reaches a level that makes it less convenient.

I'm flying from the USA Into Bangkok on the 8th July arriving mid afternoon. I see Asalha Puja has been announced for the same day so does that mean I'm screwed and all bars will be shut?

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2036094]In addition, these prices have only shot up in the last 4-5 years and coincided with the tourism and foreign investment booms that occurred post 2008 housing bubble. It created a boom in the f&be industry which in turn feeds the P4P service industry. And what has resulted is the emergence of a more comprehensive high-end nightlife experience that didn't exist post 2010. Prior to that, Bangkok and Thailand as a whole had been a budget destination for leisure travel and sex but these days, there is now a push towards making it more of a luxury destination. Bangkok received top priority in the re-branding and it has led to the creation of a whole new area of the sex scene that caters towards the massive influx of multi-national businesses and young entrepreneurs who have focused their investments in SE Asia.

So, while Thailand's economy may continue to be volatile, the entertainment scene in Bangkok and other areas of the country will maintain its popularity as weekend party havens for expats living in other SE Asian countries and party tourists from around the world, until one of the other SE Asian countries provides better services and / or the pricing reaches a level that makes it less convenient.[/QUOTE]I agree with your observation about the increase in Bangkok's P4 P prices coinciding with a more high-end nightlife experience. It also coincided with a more high-end daytime experience, general entertainment experience, shopping experience, hotel comfort experience, commuting experience, dining experience, visual and aesthetic experience. Hanging out in Bangkok today is a dramatically improved experience compared with my time here 20 years ago. Although I cannot compare conditions of 5-20 years ago vs the past 5 years, I would not be surprised if the past 5-7 years saw the most improvement.

I might add that the past 5-7 years also has seen the wide-spread use of smartphones, social communication / network apps like Line and so on. I don't know, did virtually every P4 P girl from the top end escorts to the lowliest back ally bar girls fresh off the farm sport a Samsung or iPhone with a portable sim card and a slew of Line, Viber, WeChat, Tinder, etc. type apps on it with seemingly endless access to wi-fi 7-8 years ago? Along with every tourist and potential customer no matter their status or income?

Thanks to smartphones and Line type apps, for any bargirl or massage shop girl with some above average advantages in the looks or skills department, there is almost never any such thing as being "out of customers" anymore. Imo, that has produced more changes in the general Thai / Bangkok P4 P scene than almost anything else. And, I must say, my experience is it has changed it for the better on balance. Much better, in fact.

To be sure, that doesn't provide much solace to those lamenting the change in the go-go bar and massage shop scene in the direct P4 P industry. But that industry exists in the midst of what is now one of the greatest, most visited, most popular, most modern and impressive cities in the world, far outpacing on a number of counts the biggest cities in my home country, USA. Of course, prices are going to go up accordingly.

However, aside from the direct P4 P scene and despite all the frills and glitzier, high-end environment, it turns out Thailand is still full of attractive, young ladies with fabulous pussies who are strapped for cash and more often grindingly poor, are more than a little bit intrigued by the idea of trysting with farangs and were born into a culture that does not associate as much shame with sex re commerce as its typical Western, Christian counterparts. And many of those young ladies will find themselves online, in Bangkok, right in the heart of the red light districts sooner or later. The smartphone, dating sites, hook up sites and Line app has kept Bangkok an overflowing cornucopia of low hanging fruit if what you are looking for is "dates" with attractive young Thai ladies that will wind up with the two of you naked in bed together sometime during the day or night of the first meeting. Or second, at most. And for a price that is often ridiculously insignificant.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2036119]I'm flying from the USA Into Bangkok on the 8th July arriving mid afternoon. I see Asalha Puja has been announced for the same day so does that mean I'm screwed and all bars will be shut?[/QUOTE]Basically, yes. But there are other alternatives. For example the massage places in Lower Suk and Ratchada. Also after midnight you may see some openings at the discos on Soi 11. All is not lost. Also We Chat amd other online ways to contact the ladies won't close.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2036133]I agree with your observation about the increase in Bangkok's P4 P prices coinciding with a more high-end nightlife experience. It also coincided with a more high-end daytime experience, general entertainment experience, shopping experience, hotel comfort experience, commuting experience, dining experience, visual and aesthetic experience. Hanging out in Bangkok today is a dramatically improved experience compared with my time here 20 years ago. Although I cannot compare conditions of 5-20 years ago vs the past 5 years, I would not be surprised if the past 5-7 years saw the most improvement.

I might add that the past 5-7 years also has seen the wide-spread use of smartphones, social communication / network apps like Line and so on. I don't know, did virtually every P4 P girl from the top end escorts to the lowliest back ally bar girl fresh off the farm sport a Samsung or iPhone with a portable sim card and a slew of Line, Viber, WeChat, Tinder, etc. type apps on it with seemingly endless access to wi-fi 7-8 years ago? Imo, that has produced more changes in the Thai / Bangkok P4 P scene than almost anything else. And, I must say, my experience is it has changed it for the better on balance..[/QUOTE]Great points and I agree with all, especially the part about smartphones. Technology has opened up the scene like never before. In the past, if a foreigner wanted a Thai spec lady he had to pay the surcharge and hit up the soapie complexes and even then he would not have been offered the hottest ladies. These days, the best looking girls in the scene just use apps to arrange dates and with 'stickers' it's easy for arrangements to be made without much need for learning different languages.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2036119]I'm flying from the USA Into Bangkok on the 8th July arriving mid afternoon. I see Asalha Puja has been announced for the same day so does that mean I'm screwed and all bars will be shut?[/QUOTE]Puja is a miss-spelling. It should be Bucha. Don't know why some sources have "butchered" it.

Pronounced something like Wan AR-sar-la-ha Buu-char or AR-sarn-ha Buu-char (two alternate ways). This day is 8 July this year. Alcohol cannot be sold and most bars will close. However on a recent Buddhist holiday Wisakha Bucha some bars were open, probably not selling alcohol (officially) and perhaps only after midnight.

9 July is Wan Khao Phansaa (Monks go into the Buddhist Lent retreat) also to have bar and disco closures and no sales of alcohol. So you may be stuffed for bars and beers, however, there will be freelancers girls on the street. The massage shops will also be open. So no big deal.

Your hotel fridge will still have beers I guess. I normally don't drink alcohol, so no big deal for me.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2036094]The economics of F&B and entertainment industries in general have historically been dictated by compartmentalized changes in the socio-economics of specific scenes.

These prices you're providing are mostly Bangkok prices and that of specific and minute areas (mainstream tourist) within the Thai P4P industry as a whole. Phuket is comparable but Pattaya hasn't reached the same level. Pretty much every other area of the country is seeing P4P service pricing either unchanged or with minimal increase over that time period.

In addition, these prices have only shot up in the last 4-5 years and coincided with the tourism and foreign investment booms that occurred post 2008 housing bubble. It created a boom in the f&be industry which in turn feeds the P4P service industry. And what has resulted is the emergence of a more comprehensive high-end nightlife experience that didn't exist post 2010. Prior to that, Bangkok and Thailand as a whole had been a budget destination for leisure travel and sex but these days, there is now a push towards making it more of a luxury destination. Bangkok received top priority in the re-branding and it has led to the creation of a whole new area of the sex scene that caters towards the massive influx of multi-national businesses and young entrepreneurs who have focused their investments in SE Asia.

So, while Thailand's economy may continue to be volatile, the entertainment scene in Bangkok and other areas of the country will maintain its popularity as weekend party havens for expats living in other SE Asian countries and party tourists from around the world, until one of the other SE Asian countries provides better services and / or the pricing reaches a level that makes it less convenient.[/QUOTE]BKK prices are being driven by one thing, commercial real estate values. Commercial rent in central BKK is astronomical, which is interesting as residential rents are still very affordable. And yes, this effects F & be and entertainment more than most sectors. Believe me the business owners and workers are not making out like bandits; the property owners are. And remember, property taxes in Thailand are very low so there is really little cost of ownership. No trouble letting a property sit empty till you get your price.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2036069]As I have stated many times; I would have no problem paying current prices if looks and performance were reflected in price. But to pay three times the amount one used to pay for subpar service is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]One additional problem is expectations for the price.

Although on average service was better some years ago, there were still flops, a good number of them. When the going rate was 1000 baht or less, I didn't mind an occasional flop, it was still worthwhile. One more notch, and the score would eventually be evened out by the good 1000 baht sessions.

However, if I'm paying 2000-3000 and service is anything less than great, I get a bad aftertaste. It's a waste, a poor decision. That money could have been used either on a reliable oldie at a PSE like Tulip, or a different experience altogether (could have gone on a mini-holiday halfway across the country for a weekend for that much money). That's enough money to feel I want a guarantee things will be at least pleasant / standard, it's too much to just toss and see what happens.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2036190]One additional problem is expectations for the price.

Although on average service was better some years ago, there were still flops, a good number of them. When the going rate was 1000 baht or less, I didn't mind an occasional flop, it was still worthwhile. One more notch, and the score would eventually be evened out by the good 1000 baht sessions.

However, if I'm paying 2000-3000 and service is anything less than great, I get a bad aftertaste. It's a waste, a poor decision. That money could have been used either on a reliable oldie at a PSE like Tulip, or a different experience altogether (could have gone on a mini-holiday halfway across the country for a weekend for that much money). That's enough money to feel I want a guarantee things will be at least pleasant / standard, it's too much to just toss and see what happens.[/QUOTE]Exactly. When 1 k was 25 USD then a flop was no big deal. Let's put Golf, Dao, and Ying from Tulip as 10's on the scale of 1-10 for PSE experiences for arguments sake. Now, I realize that not every gal is going to provide a 10 on the PSE charts, but I certainly do expect a 7 or 8 if I am paying 2-3 k, whatever the venue might be. To pay that kind of money and have a gal complain or ask you to finish after 10 - 15 min is just ridiculous. And personally, if they pull that with me they are not getting their 2-3 k.

To be honest no. I accept it's presumptuous of me to log on and expect all reports to be relevant and concise. Certain writing styles means some posts will be longer than others but often these can be interesting and entertaining even when not containing much by way of intel. My comment referred to the rather boring repetitive self-indulgent posts where a member is really doing no more than wanting to talk about himself and in an not very entertaining way which at least from my perspective is of little value. But its ok, no big deal. Bottom line, ISG is a terrific forum with lots of information and happily the ignore button is always there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2036143]

9 July is Wan Khao Phansaa (Monks go into the Buddhist Lent retreat) also to have bar and disco closures and no sales of alcohol. [/QUOTE]So to be clear, bars are closed Saturday and Sunday?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2036171]BKK prices are being driven by one thing, commercial real estate values. Commercial rent in central BKK is astronomical, which is interesting as residential rents are still very affordable. And yes, this effects F & be and entertainment more than most sectors. Believe me the business owners and workers are not making out like bandits; the property owners are. And remember, property taxes in Thailand are very low so there is really little cost of ownership. No trouble letting a property sit empty till you get your price.[/QUOTE]What I fail to understand is the real estate boom, the building industry growing rate, the attraction of bkk as a business location, the need to move to bkk and therefore the drive to the real estate.

Might and is cheaper than HKG and SIN, bit we talk about two worlds apart.

I can't see bkk as a financial center, nor as a corporate hq location.

So I am still wondering who is going to fill all those new buildings?

Day 1.

Land at BKK a litte after 10 pm. Over 24 hour of travel time. Make it thru immigration, exchange some money, grab my bags and hop into a cab (300 b) to a hotel on Sukhumvent near Asoke BTS.

I'm pretty tired at this point but I check into the hotel, take a shower and hit the streets. I'm around the corner from Soi Cowboy.

I walk in the entrance of Soi cowboy. This is my first trip to Thailand. My jaw drops. I walk thru soi cowboy and amazed a place like this exist. A few girls try to drag me in but I've already.

Decided I'm going to Crazy House first. I exit Soi cowboy and turn right (I've been looking at google maps for the last month and have a map of Bangkok in my head) to Crazy House. I walk into.

Crazy house, second jaw drop. As noted here, there's tons of girls dancing on the stage. The place is packed both with customers and dancers. They find me the last spot at the stage. Its a visual.

Overload. No one comes to get my drink order. I decide to take a step back, I leave crazy house.

I decide to prime the pump with a few drinks first at a lower key place. I see Corner Bar and go in, this is more my pace. I have a few San Migual Lights, a great cheeseburger and chat.

Up the waitress and cashier. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is a regular bar that just happens to be on the corner of Soi Cowboy. I didn't see any bar girls but the wait staff.

Was friendly. The chubby cashier listened to all my stupid jokes so I rewarded her with a drink. To my surprise she ordered a beer. OK the 2 beers took the edge off and the banter with.

The wait staff made me more social. I'm ready for more now.

Next Stop Thermae bar. I've been watching youtube videos of some crazy guy walking around Sukhumvent. So I know to use the elevated walkway. It gets me over the intersections and more then.

Halfway to Thermae. I walk into Thermae and directed to the left to purchase my drink. As reported here, all the girls are lined up around the exterior. The guys mostly Asian and seated in the.

Middle. I heard the girls here prefer Asian customer but as a white guy I decide to girl it a go. I do the full circle. I smile at the girls I like and I think all of them or most of them smile.

Back. I seat down for a moment. My next problem, too many choice. Small commentary on the girls, they were nicely dressed. But then again freelancer bars are a different ball game. So at this point.

I've been up to long. I decide to score a quick ST and call it the night.

I approach Ploy. I smile and say Hi, she smiles back and says Hi. Ploy is skinny and has a tone body. I'm concerned being up so many hours I may have performance issues. But I think that.

Tone body will get my motor going. I buy her a drink and we have some small talk. She ask me how long do I want to keep her. I say ST. I ask how much she wants. I usually like to get.

Business out of the way. She says up to you how much. I think to myself OK, 2000 b. A few minutes goes by and she ask, hey how much you thinking about paying me LOL. I say 2000 b. She says she.

Wants 2500 b. I'm cool with that. We take a short cab ride back to my hotel as she's wearing heels.

Check in my joiner and up into the room. We had some time for small talk at the bar. Chemistry was just OK, but really wanted to get my hands on that tone body. We take separate showers.

And hit the bed. I offer her a massage but she kinda has a tough time relaxing. We have some light kissing but no DFK. I do DATY and she's enjoying it but seems to be holding back a little.

So I figure move on to sex. She starts with cowgirl. I'm no John Holmes but she has a nice tight pussy. She's riding me and her tone body feels and looks so good. Then I notice she's.

Losing a little steam. We switch over to missionary. My concerns about performance issues are not a problem. I'm rock hard and giving it to her good. I go at it for a while and shoot my load.

She leaves and now I can't fall asleep. I'm up the rest of the night watching CNN. Not many TV channels.

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[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2036139]Great points and I agree with all, especially the part about smartphones. Technology has opened up the scene like never before. In the past, if a foreigner wanted a Thai spec lady he had to pay the surcharge and hit up the soapie complexes and even then he would not have been offered the hottest ladies. These days, the best looking girls in the scene just use apps to arrange dates and with 'stickers' it's easy for arrangements to be made without much need for learning different languages.[/QUOTE]I'll just come out and say it; I am getting laid and blown better and with cuter, sweeter girls in Thailand now than I did 20 years ago. I realize that kind of flies in the face of what the general buzz is here and elsewhere. But there it is. Why is that happening? Imo, the primary factor is that damn smartphone with the Line app on it that I've got in my pocket. LOL. The technology certainly has its bad side with regard to the P4 P scene in Thailand. But it is a double edged sword. There are major upsides as well with the favorable edge going to the good in my experience.

20-25 years ago when I routinely traveled to this part of Asia and spent a week or two in both the Philippines and Thailand, it was well understood and oft discussed among my fellow punters that the girls in the Philippines were more loving and romantic while the girls in Thailand were more aloof and mercenary. And, man-oh-man, every trip to and from each country proved that adage to me time and time again. I liked Thai girls. But the language and cultural differences were just too great for me to enjoy much more than a rather strict and formal P4 P experience with them while my experiences with Philippine girls was so much more lovey dovey and romantic.

When I decided to move to Thailand in retirement instead of the Philippines about five years ago (mostly because of issues like better infrastructure and lower crime), I fully expected I would travel to my beloved Philippine ladies quite regularly for that Lovey Dovey Romantic fix. Yet, I have not gone there once since I moved to Bangkok because I have been steeped in loving and romantic attention from Thai girls since I moved here. No, certainly not in every case. And there are glaring and blatant examples of P4P disaster here as anywhere. But it turns out Thai girls are starved for fun-loving and romantically inclined men who send them cute "love you" stickers to their Line account. They were probably starved for that kind of attention 20-25 years ago as well but I didn't have the smarts or the technology to make it happen. Consequently, the sex scene for me back then was not nearly as satisfying and rewarding on a personal level as it was for me in the Philippines.

However, I am now communicating with Thai ladies, including P4 P girls from go-go bars, freelancers and non P4 P girls one meets on dating sites and around town, in ways other than by handing them money and pointing to an entry on a menu. Smartphones and Line type apps allow me to communicate with them through their hearts and emotions, ways that simply were not as easily available to me 20-25 years ago. And, not surprisingly in my experience at least, it really has made a positive difference in the bed.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2036133]Thanks to smartphones and Line type apps, for any bargirl or massage shop girl with some above average advantages in the looks or skills department, there is almost never any such thing as being "out of customers" anymore. [/QUOTE]Sure, smartphones had a big impact. However, any half-decent looking girl never being "out of customers" is primarily due to a huge contraction of supply, while demand is roughly the same. There is an order of magnitude fewer acceptable looking girls these days, in almost all market segments. For the skeptical, simply compare a walk from Nana to Asoke these days vs 10-15 years ago (or Thermae, or any venue). There used to be dozens upon dozens of doable freelances calling out from every nook and cranny of lower Sukhumvit. A comparable number of their new generation sisters are NOT all working online now, not even close.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2036133]Imo, that has produced more changes in the general Thai / Bangkok P4 P scene than almost anything else. And, I must say, my experience is it has changed it for the better on balance. Much better, in fact.[/QUOTE]Great that the online scene works for you, at least some people are happy. Perhaps you simply dislike traditional venues and freelancers?

However, it takes a blind man not to see the overall decline. In addition, trawling online has almost no advantages for the savvy punter except over a street or bar scene. Online, prices are almost always higher (set at the level an average mug would barely accept, not what a decently-presented expat could negotiate), we don't get to evaluate actual looks or chemistry, and spend way more time, in less enjoyable ways, compared to looking for girls in person. Looking for a hooker on a smartphone is about as fun as waiting for a bus, except that it takes longer.

Most importantly for me, when browsing a decent in-person venue, I feel I'm [I]choosing[/I]. Online, I always feel like I'm begging or at best, trawling the bottom for someone acceptable.

I just heard a rumour from a Soi 4 Freelancer girl that there is a concerted effort by the Police to round up all the street walkers and fine them all, whether they are ladyboys or girls, on a frequent basis right now. The girl says the police are trying to force all the P4 P workers to be in the bars. The effect could well be to drop the numbers in Soi4 significantly and they may have to move to Sukhumvit road or other Sois. The girl told me that Soi 11 was very safe currently as police do not raid there.

For Eih Tooms, it must be all self-serving bullshit the girl is telling me, but I have no reason to disbelieve her, and can't think of other reasons why she did not want to be in Soi 4. It's just a story (or rumour) I am reporting. I did not see the police raids recently since I have not been there. If the girls stays out of Soi 4, I don't see that she is going to get any financial advantage from it.

Putting a street girl into a bar at a much higher price does not improve her service, it is just going to make that girl less likely to get a customer.

I am pretty much done with Soi 4 freelancers anyway, unless I happen to find a stunner someday. LOL However I am pretty much done with all my regular bargirls as well, and not been that thrilled by Nana gogos recently, so not necessarily a great alternative. Most guys doing freelancers are not going to switch to Nana bar girls where the price suddenly doubles or more than doubles.

The street girls need the flexibility to be able to start work at 11 PM and catch the guy coming out of the bars very late with no girl. Some of the very late street girls were bargirls that got no customer too, I would think.

BKK day 2.

I still tired from the travels yesterday but start the day early. Go for a oil massage on Soi 23. One of the many massage places on Soi 23 past the queen vic. 400 be for 1 hour oil. 2000 b extra for sex. DATY, DFK, and cowgirl. At night I head back to Thermae. I pick up a girl, former massage girl from ching mai. 2500 b for DATY, BBBJ, and multiple positions.

BKK day 3.

Another massage girl on Soi 23.400 b for massage and 2500 for sex. DATY, cowgirl and missionary. Rain storm keeps me in most of the night. At midnight I head for Insanity nightclub. I stop at the Sheraton Sukhumvent along the way. There is a bar / lounge on the first floor. Live band and around 15-20 female customers. Drink price as expected very expensive. I assume all the customers are freelancers but I can't say for sure. I finish my one drink and continue to Insanity. 300 b cover includes one free drink. I pull freelancer for 2000 b. DFK, DATY, multiple positions.

I'm hung over this morning but head to Pattaya. I try to improve on the reports, the free computers at the hotel lobby{s suck.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2036288]What I fail to understand is the real estate boom, the building industry growing rate, the attraction of bkk as a business location, the need to move to bkk and therefore the drive to the real estate.

Might and is cheaper than HKG and SIN, bit we talk about two worlds apart.

I can't see bkk as a financial center, nor as a corporate hq location.

So I am still wondering who is going to fill all those new buildings?[/QUOTE]Actually there is very little commercial space under construction. Most building is residential. I wonder that myself, but new condos keep selling.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2036387]Sure, smartphones had a big impact. However, any half-decent looking girl never being "out of customers" is primarily due to a huge contraction of supply, while demand is roughly the same. There is an order of magnitude fewer acceptable looking girls these days, in almost all market segments. For the skeptical, simply compare a walk from Nana to Asoke these days vs 10-15 years ago (or Thermae, or any venue). There used to be dozens upon dozens of doable freelances calling out from every nook and cranny of lower Sukhumvit. A comparable number of their new generation sisters are NOT all working online now, not even close.

Great that the online scene works for you, at least some people are happy. Perhaps you simply dislike traditional venues and freelancers?

However, it takes a blind man not to see the overall decline. In addition, trawling online has almost no advantages for the savvy punter except over a street or bar scene. Online, prices are almost always higher (set at the level an average mug would barely accept, not what a decently-presented expat could negotiate), we don't get to evaluate actual looks or chemistry, and spend way more time, in less enjoyable ways, compared to looking for girls in person. Looking for a hooker on a smartphone is about as fun as waiting for a bus, except that it takes longer.

Most importantly for me, when browsing a decent in-person venue, I feel I'm [I]choosing[/I]. Online, I always feel like I'm begging or at best, trawling the bottom for someone acceptable.[/QUOTE]I guess we have different perspectives which is fine. Mine is that the bars are basically punishment for the guys who refuse to adopt to technology.

As I've stated in previous posts, the online scene is the dominant form of booking these days. I get it that there are some traditionalists who haven't embraced the full on advantages of technology but you're not experiencing the best on offer. In reality you're fighting over scraps (harsh to say but reality) with every other sex tourist that still sees Nana and Soi Cowboy and the MPs as the most convenient way to find a lady. You're also paying premium to do so. Its also not like in the past where these venues not only offered up sex but also a fun place to go and drink and not feel like a complete creeper. They are more like the Tsukiji Fish Market these days.

On the other hand, online booking is much more convenient, cheaper, and you're getting access to ladies that you would never find in any of the brick and mortar establishments outside of the high end gentlemen's clubs. For example, I just met a 'pretty' (the models that you see at the auto shows) on wechat. 170 cm, white skin, fit, 20 years old. 3000 baht ST and she is incall. I am going to see her on my lunch break today.

I also am constantly getting offers from ladies on the same app. All you do is put a message on your profile that you're looking and you'll get offers. Interestingly enough, I got a message from a lady last week who looked familiar. She messaged asking if I remembered her. It ended up being a lady from one of the PSE MPs that I had met with a month prior. She had since quite and was now online. She came over to my condo and gave me a massage and FS + A+ for 2000 and stayed around for over 3 hours.

For the hotties, the average rates from what some might consider to be 8's and 9's are usually 2000-3000 for ST. There are quite a few 10's on there that want 5000-7000 but they also will take much less if its a slow day and they want to make a quick 2000-3000. That{s the real gem about online. The ladies are accessible 24-7 and they have a lot more freedom to dictate pricing than they do in the bars and MPs.

So how is this not as good as going to a packed sausage fest er bar and having to deal with all of the negative stuff that so many complain about on here like:

1. Rude mamasans.

2. Ladies who treat you like a number (oh the irony).

3. Ladies who stand out now but would have been unnoticed 5 years ago.

3. 3000 baht for ST + 1000 BF + drinks + short time room = 3000.

4. Padded bills.

5. Rushed service or less than stellar performance majority of the time.

6. Smoke filled bars.

Is internet booking perfect? No. Far from it. It has its downsides like not being able to see the person in the flesh until you meet them but that's why you video chat with them first and then meet them at a common place like a mall or cafe before taking them back to your room. For me the video does the trick and I've yet to be disappointed with someone's looks. And that's it really.

Everything else, at least for me is better. From a service standpoint, its better than the agogos and MPs especially when you meet them at their place or you arrange a night of it. I get a lot more GFE through online meet-ups and even the occasional PSE. If I want PSE I look for the older ladies or the less attractive younger ones but still better than the bar girls. You also have a lot more power of negotiation with the online meets. If the girl gets to your room and she doesn't perform how you want you are able to pay her what you feel is the fair amount. She may not be happy about it but its not like you're going to feel awkward or fearful if you show your face on Line again.

The fact is, online is where its at and will continue to absorb the scene until your only real option will be to get a smartphone. Syzygies post below is one of the driving forces behind it, that and it is just plain better for the majority of the people involved.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2036387]Sure, smartphones had a big impact. However, any half-decent looking girl never being "out of customers" is primarily due to a huge contraction of supply, while demand is roughly the same. There is an order of magnitude fewer acceptable looking girls these days, in almost all market segments. For the skeptical, simply compare a walk from Nana to Asoke these days vs 10-15 years ago (or Thermae, or any venue). There used to be dozens upon dozens of doable freelances calling out from every nook and cranny of lower Sukhumvit. A comparable number of their new generation sisters are NOT all working online now, not even close.

Great that the online scene works for you, at least some people are happy. Perhaps you simply dislike traditional venues and freelancers?

However, it takes a blind man not to see the overall decline. In addition, trawling online has almost no advantages for the savvy punter except over a street or bar scene. Online, prices are almost always higher (set at the level an average mug would barely accept, not what a decently-presented expat could negotiate), we don't get to evaluate actual looks or chemistry, and spend way more time, in less enjoyable ways, compared to looking for girls in person. Looking for a hooker on a smartphone is about as fun as waiting for a bus, except that it takes longer.

Most importantly for me, when browsing a decent in-person venue, I feel I'm [I]choosing[/I]. Online, I always feel like I'm begging or at best, trawling the bottom for someone acceptable.[/QUOTE]Agree with everything you say Croc. I'm not a fan of online; it requires far more effort. That's not what P4 P is about for me. It's about being able to go get laid with very little effort.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2036419]I just heard a rumour from a Soi 4 Freelancer girl that there is a concerted effort by the Police to round up all the street walkers and fine them all, whether they are ladyboys or girls, on a frequent basis right now. The girl says the police are trying to force all the P4 P workers to be in the bars. The effect could well be to drop the numbers in Soi4 significantly and they may have to move to Sukhumvit road or other Sois. The girl told me that Soi 11 was very safe currently as police do not raid there.

For Eih Tooms, it must be all self-serving bullshit the girl is telling me, but I have no reason to disbelieve her, and can't think of other reasons why she did not want to be in Soi 4. It's just a story (or rumour) I am reporting. I did not see the police raids recently since I have not been there. If the girls stays out of Soi 4, I don't see that she is going to get any financial advantage from it.[/QUOTE]LOL. Ok, Syzy, let's test the limits of your apparent belief that it is a rare occurrence for a bargirl to engage in self-serving, even Face-saving tall tales whenever you ask her the kind of questions I mentioned. A while back you reported a total dud experience with a girl to whom you gave a smaller than usual amount of money and then gave her the boot. When other posters here pointed out you would likely suffer some backlash at her bar for doing that, you assured us that she left with a smile, asked to meet you again and, therefore, it was doubtful that she would say anything bad about you back in her bar. After all, you only spent 10 minutes with her and didn't even have sex.

Remember that one?

I suppose according to your thesis, that girl went back to her bar and, to whatever extent she shared info or gossip with other girls and, eventually, with other customers about her experience with you, she must have told them that you only gave her (let's say, since you didn't reveal the amount) 1000 baht. But, she would explain, that was completely understandable since she really had behaved like a twit with you, only offered a terrible experience, wasted 10 precious minutes of your valuable time and didn't give you sex anyway. Besides, you were really a nice guy and she hopes you will call her soon so she can make up for the trouble she caused you.

Would that be about the way you imagine it going down back at her bar?

May I offer an alternative tale she might have told? I submit that when she went back to that bar she told the other girls and will eventually tell any customer who asks about such a thing that you were one of the worst Cheap Charlies she ever had, tried to totally rip her off, only gave her 500 baht (or nothing!) after she gave you some of the best sex you probably ever had. Worse, you couldn't get it up for almost 30 minutes. Then, after she did everything imaginable to get a rise out of you, you rammed your gigantic insufferable filthy penis into her pained vagina for over an hour! Then you pushed her out the door before she could put her shoes on with only that ridiculous 500 baht to show for it. Or maybe it was nothing!!

Now, which story do you think is closer to the way that girl will gossip about her experience with you when she talks about it with the other girls and, eventually, with some concerned customer worried about how she is being treated by the rest of us dastardly men?

Thanks for the great review, Tremont Ted. Get some sleep and enjoy Day 2!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2036419]
I am pretty much done with Soi 4 freelancers anyway, unless I happen to find a stunner someday. LOL However I am pretty much done with all my regular bargirls as well, and not been that thrilled by Nana gogos recently, so not necessarily a great alternative. Most guys doing freelancers are not going to switch to Nana bar girls where the price suddenly doubles or more than doubles.

The street girls need the flexibility to be able to start work at 11 PM and catch the guy coming out of the bars very late with no girl. Some of the very late street girls were bargirls that got no customer too, I would think.[/QUOTE]So what's next for you? Online, soapies, oilies, and freelancers in the bars?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2036536]Actually there is very little commercial space under construction. Most building is residential. I wonder that myself, but new condos keep selling.[/QUOTE]Land in the center of the city is not only extremely expensive but sparse. There is only room left to build up which would best be served by condominiums.

For commercial space the trend is the refurbishment of old buildings. Shop houses have become premium real estate options especially for f&b and retail. For example, in Chinatown, you could get a old shop house, 3-4 stories, 300-400 sq. M. of total floor space, for less than 4 mil just a couple of years ago. These days they are going for 15-20 mil. In certain 'trendy' areas. Even with these high prices, I haven't seen the f&be scene go crazy on pricing. Food, even at the future Michelin star level establishments is much cheaper than what you'll pay in other developed cities. The cocktail scene has introduced a new level of refined drinking which does cost more than the typical Sangsom and coke but the pricing is more of a result of inflation due to trendiness than the price of rent.

As far as the condominiums go, they are seen as long term investments by not only the locals but foreigners as well. Of course, the 2008 housing bubble partly happened because of this type of real estate prospecting so the chance that we see a repeat of at least that aspect of it is possible. What it is happening is that the locals are buying them up, furnishing them with cookie cutter, cheap IKEA products and renting them out with the only goal being to cover the mortgage for now and then sell at a profit in a few years.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2031084]I agree with everything you said except the Private Dancer comment. As a quick, easy, and mildly entertaining weekend read its good but using it as an anthropological reference isn't recommended [/QUOTE]For those who don't want to read the book, I guess you could just look at this photo and it pretty much tells the story.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2036552]I haven't seen the f&be scene go crazy on pricing. Food, even at the future Michelin star level establishments is much cheaper than what you'll pay in other developed cities. The cocktail scene has introduced a new level of refined drinking which does cost more than the typical Sangsom and coke but the pricing is more of a result of inflation due to trendiness than the price of rent..[/QUOTE]Yep, salaries are far higher in most other Asian cities; even for the locals. And I would contend that just like the P4 P scene the newer trendier restaurants offer very little value for money. Some of the older more established fine dining places are still ok. And cocktail pours tend to be quite stingy, and FFS some are priced more than you would pay in NYC. And there for 14 USD you get a drink that gives you a buzz.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2036537]I guess we have different perspectives which is fine. Mine is that the bars are basically punishment for the guys who refuse to adopt to technology.

As I've stated in previous posts, the online scene is the dominant form of booking these days. I get it that there are some traditionalists who haven't embraced the full on advantages of technology but you're not experiencing the best on offer. In reality you're fighting over scraps (harsh to say but reality) with every other sex tourist that still sees Nana and Soi Cowboy and the MPs as the most convenient way to find a lady. You're also paying premium to do so. Its also not like in the past where these venues not only offered up sex but also a fun place to go and drink and not feel like a complete creeper. They are more like the Tsukiji Fish Market these days.

On the other hand, online booking is much more convenient, cheaper, and you're getting access to ladies that you would never find in any of the brick and mortar establishments outside of the high end gentlemen's clubs. For example, I just met a 'pretty' (the models that you see at the auto shows) on wechat. 170 cm, white skin, fit, 20 years old. 3000 baht ST and she is incall. I am going to see her on my lunch break today.

I also am constantly getting offers from ladies on the same app. All you do is put a message on your profile that you're looking and you'll get offers. Interestingly enough, I got a message from a lady last week who looked familiar. She messaged asking if I remembered her. It ended up being a lady from one of the PSE MPs that I had met with a month prior. She had since quite and was now online. She came over to my condo and gave me a massage and FS + A+ for 2000 and stayed around for over 3 hours.

For the hotties, the average rates from what some might consider to be 8's and 9's are usually 2000-3000 for ST. There are quite a few 10's on there that want 5000-7000 but they also will take much less if its a slow day and they want to make a quick 2000-3000. That{s the real gem about online. The ladies are accessible 24-7 and they have a lot more freedom to dictate pricing than they do in the bars and MPs.

So how is this not as good as going to a packed sausage fest er bar and having to deal with all of the negative stuff that so many complain about on here like:

1. Rude mamasans.

2. Ladies who treat you like a number (oh the irony).

3. Ladies who stand out now but would have been unnoticed 5 years ago.

3. 3000 baht for ST + 1000 BF + drinks + short time room = 3000.

4. Padded bills.

5. Rushed service or less than stellar performance majority of the time.

6. Smoke filled bars.

Is internet booking perfect? No. Far from it. It has its downsides like not being able to see the person in the flesh until you meet them but that's why you video chat with them first and then meet them at a common place like a mall or cafe before taking them back to your room. For me the video does the trick and I've yet to be disappointed with someone's looks. And that's it really.

Everything else, at least for me is better. From a service standpoint, its better than the agogos and MPs especially when you meet them at their place or you arrange a night of it. I get a lot more GFE through online meet-ups and even the occasional PSE. If I want PSE I look for the older ladies or the less attractive younger ones but still better than the bar girls. You also have a lot more power of negotiation with the online meets. If the girl gets to your room and she doesn't perform how you want you are able to pay her what you feel is the fair amount. She may not be happy about it but its not like you're going to feel awkward or fearful if you show your face on Line again.

The fact is, online is where its at and will continue to absorb the scene until your only real option will be to get a smartphone. Syzygies post below is one of the driving forces behind it, that and it is just plain better for the majority of the people involved.[/QUOTE]Very good post and I completely agree. Internet can be great. Also, if you have a bit of game, dating apps like Badoo for finding "regular" and semi pros can be very useful. I takes a bit more time but if I lived in BKK I think I could really rake them in.

In the past I have complained about the internet scene because girls fotos have not been representative. The girls now have a host of technologies available to them to easily enhance their fotos. But I think the poster is right that video chat provides a solution to this problem. In the past I have just ben a bto too shy to videochat. But I will work it into my repertoire now.

One thing that I will miss is the thrill of the hunt that comes with going to bars and discos. This is more like ordering a pizza. LOL.

As mentioned in my previous post, I decided to forgo solid foods and went with a liquid diet for lunch the other day with this 'pretty' that I made contact with on WeChat. Her name is 'Stephanie' (got to love this new nickname trend of adopting common American 'Valley girls' names).

She told me 3000 and incall service during our chat. I inquired as to the services she provides and she said everything but 'no anal and cum mouth'. Fair enough. Her condo ended up being only 2 BTS stops away from my office and only 500 meters from the station so it didn't take me long to get to her place. She stays in one of the newest high rises around this station so she must be doing quite well for herself. When I arrived at her building I sent her a message that I was downstairs. I don't know about others but I find the wait for them to show themselves to be very exciting. There's this anticipation that builds up as you wonder what is really going to come out of the lift. There has been more than a few occasions where someone else came out and I thought is this her? You never really know if you don't get any sort of live video confirmation and this case I didn't so it really could be anyone. When the doors finally opened I was not disappointed. She looked even better than her pics, but mostly because her body is amazing and 2 D just doesn't do it justice. She came out wearing these short bright yellow canvas running shorts, easily a size too small and a white tank top that was even more snug. She has a really shapely and well proportioned lower body (she says she does a lot of squats and lunges in the gym) and a really nice set of silly Cs that made her tank top really pop. Small waste and flat firm tummy. Very beautiful face, high cheekbones full lips and a modest nose job. Healthy jet black hair made up in pig tails. She greets me with a nice shy smile and acts a little school-girlie which must be her persona. Her English isn't great so we switch to Thai. She grabs my hand and leads back to the elevator and up we go to the 22nd floor, this girl is Thai ballin.

We get to her door, take our shoes off and leave them in the hall and enter. She has a nice place, very clean, modern, quite spacious studio setup. Small kitchen, sofa, large bed. She asks if I want a drink. Water, tea, juice or beer. Its just a work break so I take the water but that cold LEO was very tempting. We chit chat for a few minutes. She tells me she mostly models for events and does this on the side but says that she may go full on P4P because she gets many offers online and can make more money. She used to only meet Asian men but is now opening up to westerners but is scared of 'big size'.

As we're talking she starts to warm me up by rubbing my shoulders and then asks if I want a massage. I say no I'm on a time limit so we undress and head to her shower. She gives me a good washing and really does a nice job getting me going. I don't do DFK so not sure if she goes there but she does do a nice bit of licking, sucking, and light biting around the ears, neck, nips, and down. After around 10 minutes in the shower we are both pretty hot and instead of be-lining it to the bed, I just bend her over a small table that she has set up as a dining table. A condom was thrown on right before this started. I'm pretty average in size but she is still really tight. She also knows about kegels which makes it even better.

We go at the table for another 10 minutes or so but then start to cramp up a little so we head to her sofa. She rides me in cowgirl for a little while so I can admire her nice firm body and amazing set. I get lost for a second just caressing her skin. Soft and smooth like a baby's bottom and also creamy white. That's the thing that I love most about some of these top online ladies. They don't get caught up in the party lifestyle like the bar girls. They really invest in their bodies and take great care of themselves. Don't smoke, rarely drink, exercise, and make a point to eat healthy. It really shows in their hair and skin and of course stamina.

Once I snap out of the trance, I realize that I only have a few minutes left before I need to get back to work so I have her turn around in reverse cowgirl and watch her pop her lovely toned ass for another couple of minutes. I start caressing the rim of her little pink pucker with my thumb. She doesn't do or saying anything but just keeps bouncing so I put the tip in. She moans arches her back and then changes her motion so its more back and forth instead of up and down. I get so excited and finish right then and there. She gives me a peck on the cheek, and hurries off to the bathroom to get some tissue to clean me up. We both shower, dress, and she shows me out.

For the record, Stephanie isn't the norm, especially at that price. A girl of her caliber normally asks for 5000-7000. I was surprised when I saw her in real and after she gave such a great session. Not sure why she was only wanting 3000 but sometimes they do need to make a bit of money in a very short period of time so 3000 will get them more customers quicker. It will be interesting to see if she keeps that rate during future visits.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2036987]Very good post and I completely agree. Internet can be great. Also, if you have a bit of game, dating apps like Badoo for finding "regular" and semi pros can be very useful. I takes a bit more time but if I lived in BKK I think I could really rake them in.[/QUOTE]

We're talking apples and oranges here.

Internet apps are great for [I]dating[/I], the relatively lengthy process of sifting through profiles, doing the chats and setting up meetings, with the ultimate goal of getting laid. Whether you need to or want to pay to achieve better results is not a key issue, spending the time and hassle is.

Traditional mongering, for me at least, is all about convenience and choice. I look, preferably in a place with plenty of choice, the girls proposition me, I pick and choose. If I happen to like a girl, the chance of rejection is low, and my dick is inside her within 30 min of first seeing her face. If I want to keep looking, that's my choice. There's even some joy in rejecting an actual girl who's available, but absolutely none in rejecting someone's picture or profile online.

Sure, there might have been that one time when the punter found someone on a chat app who's just around the corner, met them and had sex in roughly the same timeframe as with a streetwalker or a bargirl. But that's far from the typical case. For every one of those events, how many flakes, ladyboys and such do we typically have to sift through?

Personally, I find trawling the apps, doing the inane chats (video or text), arranging to meet and dealing with flakes at every step of the way. Highly unpleasant and more of a hassle than most sex sessions are worth. If I'm looking for a gik for several meetings over a few weeks or longer, I might force myself to go through that whole process, but just for a shot or two. No way, especially if I need to pay for it as well.

Of course, I understand people have different preferences and some might dislike the traditional method in favor of the online one. However, objectively speaking, you don't get more choice, you don't get more convenience, and you don't get cheaper prices either online (compared to the Bangkok scene in just 10 or so years ago -- I do realize it's dismal in comparison now). Ultimately, if online mongering in Thailand ever proves to be better than traditional mongering, it won't be because the online method/scene is good, but because of the steep decline of the traditional scene.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2037033]We're talking apples and oranges here.

Internet apps are great for [I]dating[/I], the relatively lengthy process of sifting through profiles, doing the chats and setting up meetings, with the ultimate goal of getting laid. Whether you need to or want to pay to achieve better results is not a key issue, spending the time and hassle is.

Traditional mongering, for me at least, is all about convenience and choice. I look, preferably in a place with plenty of choice, the girls proposition me, I pick and choose. If I happen to like a girl, the chance of rejection is low, and my dick is inside her within 30 min of first seeing her face. If I want to keep looking, that's my choice. There's even some joy in rejecting an actual girl who's available, but absolutely none in rejecting someone's picture or profile online.

Sure, there might have been that one time when the punter found someone on a chat app who's just around the corner, met them and had sex in roughly the same timeframe as with a streetwalker or a bargirl. But that's far from the typical case. For every one of those events, how many flakes, ladyboys and such do we typically have to sift through?

Personally, I find trawling the apps, doing the inane chats (video or text), arranging to meet and dealing with flakes at every step of the way. Highly unpleasant and more of a hassle than most sex sessions are worth. If I'm looking for a gik for several meetings over a few weeks or longer, I might force myself to go through that whole process, but just for a shot or two. No way, especially if I need to pay for it as well.

Of course, I understand people have different preferences and some might dislike the traditional method in favor of the online one. However, objectively speaking, you don't get more choice, you don't get more convenience, and you don't get cheaper prices either online (compared to the Bangkok scene in just 10 or so years ago -- I do realize it's dismal in comparison now). Ultimately, if online mongering in Thailand ever proves to be better than traditional mongering, it won't be because the online method/scene is good, but because of the steep decline of the traditional scene.[/QUOTE]Croc, I could not agree more. I am not looking to "date" P4 P gals, nor attempt to romance them in the hopes they will provide good service. And online benefits the seller far more than the buyer. I too find it tedious going through apps. Chatting with a WG? No way. Why would I want to spend my time doing that. And yes, far less choice, there is no doubt about it.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2037033]Sure, there might have been that one time when the punter found someone on a chat app who's just around the corner, met them and had sex in roughly the same timeframe as with a streetwalker or a bargirl. But that's far from the typical case. For every one of those events, how many flakes, ladyboys and such do we typically have to sift through?.[/QUOTE]You seemingly haven't used WeChat then because this is exactly how it works. If you're around Suhkumvit all the way from Soi 1 to Soi 101, all you have to do is go on the app and there will typically be several ladies on their offering services, most use 'massage' as the signified but some come right out and say what they offer next to their name and pic. They have to be within a certain distance of your location, usually a max of 1000 meters but it can be a little more or less due to GPS inaccuracies. This one time I was sitting in a fairly well know coffee shop on Suhk along the golden mile stretch and saw a lady on the app that I liked the looks of and sent her a message to see if she was available to meet. She ended up being in the same shop right at that very moment. I actually got a little crept out for second then I discovered that its become a thing for some working girls to camp out at places like this and just use this app to get customers, especially along the golden mile.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2037038]Croc, I could not agree more. I am not looking to "date" P4 P gals, nor attempt to romance them in the hopes they will provide good service. And online benefits the seller far more than the buyer. I too find it tedious going through apps. Chatting with a WG? No way. Why would I want to spend my time doing that. And yes, far less choice, there is no doubt about it.[/QUOTE]I don't think you have to chat with them that much, if by that you mean woo or date them. They put things like "call girl" or "freelancer" in their profile. The only thing they will do is make sure you are aware this is P4 P, and make sure you come up with an agreed upon price at minimum. That and a Hello, is really all that is needed. However, it can be a hassle to have to get to their place or for them to get (and find) to your place in Bangkok traffic. And there is a chance of flaky girls who stop responding after you show up I suppose, since there is no manager to report them to.

I think it's worth trying, I'll give it a whirl again if I can find some good profiles. I was on tinder but it's kind of luck whether or not you come across a working girls profile there as you don't choose what profiles you get to see. I messaged one girl off Tinder who wanted 3000 baht ST, which I thought was too high as smooci has the same price but better selection and more importantly reliability with reviews. And was on wechat but way too many ladyboys and old massage ladies in my current area.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2037033]We're talking apples and oranges here.

Internet apps are great for [I]dating[/I], the relatively lengthy process of sifting through profiles, doing the chats and setting up meetings, with the ultimate goal of getting laid. Whether you need to or want to pay to achieve better results is not a key issue, spending the time and hassle is.

Traditional mongering, for me at least, is all about convenience and choice. I look, preferably in a place with plenty of choice, the girls proposition me, I pick and choose. If I happen to like a girl, the chance of rejection is low, and my dick is inside her within 30 min of first seeing her face. If I want to keep looking, that's my choice. There's even some joy in rejecting an actual girl who's available, but absolutely none in rejecting someone's picture or profile online.

Sure, there might have been that one time when the punter found someone on a chat app who's just around the corner, met them and had sex in roughly the same timeframe as with a streetwalker or a bargirl. But that's far from the typical case. For every one of those events, how many flakes, ladyboys and such do we typically have to sift through?

Personally, I find trawling the apps, doing the inane chats (video or text), arranging to meet and dealing with flakes at every step of the way. Highly unpleasant and more of a hassle than most sex sessions are worth. If I'm looking for a gik for several meetings over a few weeks or longer, I might force myself to go through that whole process, but just for a shot or two. No way, especially if I need to pay for it as well.

Of course, I understand people have different preferences and some might dislike the traditional method in favor of the online one. However, objectively speaking, you don't get more choice, you don't get more convenience, and you don't get cheaper prices either online (compared to the Bangkok scene in just 10 or so years ago -- I do realize it's dismal in comparison now). Ultimately, if online mongering in Thailand ever proves to be better than traditional mongering, it won't be because the online method/scene is good, but because of the steep decline of the traditional scene.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on this one. I much prefer going to the gogos where there are a throng of naked girls rather than spending time on the internet searching for girls.

I think, it's a matter of taste.

Personally I don't like gogos. Sometimes I go to massage parlors (Addict, Snowwhite), sometimes I book an escort (Absolute Angels, Smooci, New BE, backpage), sometimes I get contact by social media (Facebook, Instagram, Tinder, WeChat), sometimes I chat up girls in malls (especially shop staff) and most of the times I pick up more or less (non-) professional girls in clubs (Mixx, Levels, Cé la vie).

There is no right or wrong as long as you are happy with it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2037038]Croc, I could not agree more. I am not looking to "date" P4 P gals, nor attempt to romance them in the hopes they will provide good service. And online benefits the seller far more than the buyer. I too find it tedious going through apps. Chatting with a WG? No way. Why would I want to spend my time doing that. And yes, far less choice, there is no doubt about it.[/QUOTE]Online dating sites are certainly not for everyone. Weirdly, I have gotten zero results from the oft touted booty-call or hook up apps like Tinder and WeChat yet get tons of booty-call / hook up type results from the supposedly more "long term relationship" apps like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly that cater more to somewhat regular non direct P4P girls and women. I have never seen what the other guys' pics and profiles are like on these kinds of sites because I am only interested in meeting females so that's all I ever see. But I suspect it is quite a horror show over there on the male side of the pickin's. I do keep myself in fairly good shape, my weight is proportionate to my height, am mostly a happy, smiley type guy, polite but ready to launch into a fun and bawdy line of discussion at any time. A gentleman most of the time I guess. I don't know what else is required to get as strong a response as I do on these sites because, as I say, I have no idea what the "competition" is like on the male side.

Meanwhile, I filter out females further than 50 km from Bangkok, specify that I am only interested in "Romance / Dating", not "Friendship", "Serious Relationship", "Marriage" and that I definitely want "NO Penpals, please. " Whenever I respond to an email notification of someone clicking "Interested" in me, that will invariably trigger a half-dozen or more views and "Interested"s in my profile. Among those there is usually at least one attractive lady worth replying to and, sooner than one might predict, seeing if she is up to the task of meeting my three "Romance / Dating" requirements; Shaved or closely trimmed pussy, fuck like a REAL girlfriend and/or be happy to complete a proper blowjob like an experienced adult woman and not a frightened virgin. I am not kidding about this. That is how I use apps like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly. This idea that those kinds of dating sites require men to profess undying love, wooing and courting poor innocent lonely-heart damsels into surrendering to them under false pretenses has simply not been my experience with them because I don't let it become about that.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2037045]You seemingly haven't used WeChat then because this is exactly how it works.[/QUOTE]

I tried WeChat briefly a few years back and it was over 2/3 ladyboys. I don't find it at all fun to send a dozen "are you a ladyboy?" messages and sit around waiting for the them to respond in order to maybe have 2 girls to choose from. Maybe it got better over time, but I'm not eager to try again.

As for location, even if they're well within 1km, it still involves setting up a meeting and waiting for them to show up, just to potentially have to shoo them away. With the traditional approach, the girl is right in front of you, every single time. You can see right away if you like her, and if you don't, you haven't wasted any of your and her time on meeting and it's no big deal to make your excuse and move on.

Given the low quality on Sukhumvit, I'd likely need to reject a good percentage of girls I meet, even after seeing their photos first... and the prospect of wasting even 10 min of both her and my time only to reject her is something I find off-putting.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2037020]As mentioned in my previous post, I decided to forgo solid foods and went with a liquid diet for lunch the other day with this 'pretty' that I made contact with on WeChat. Her name is 'Stephanie' (got to love this new nickname trend of adopting common American 'Valley girls' names).
[/QUOTE]What a lunch break! Amazing.

Glad you are taking full advantage of living in BKK. I envy you man.

I had some good luck with tinder and badoo in Pattaya last trip. I will be in LOS for about a month in Aug-September. I was planning to spend most of my time in Patts but after reading your reports I am really tempted to spend some more time in BKK and work the social media angle.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2037094]
I think it's worth trying, I'll give it a whirl again if I can find some good profiles. I was on tinder but it's kind of luck whether or not you come across a working girls profile there as you don't choose what profiles you get to see. I messaged one girl off Tinder who wanted 3000 baht ST, which I thought was too high as smooci has the same price but better selection and more importantly reliability with reviews. And was on wechat but way too many ladyboys and old massage ladies in my current area.[/QUOTE]I messaged a black Girl on Craig List, and gave some info about myself. I asked her name and approx. Location, not much more than that. All she replied was 3000 ST and hope we will meet up. I am sorry but that is just not quite good enough. Did not even give a first name to call her by, which suggests she might have a bad reputation. No information about how we might meet up or anything. Next thing, she might expect to be paid up front, who knows.

I did not proceed further. Nothing gave me a feeling that she might be a fun girl. I just got the impression of an easy way to waste 3000. I don't need an endless string of messages back and forth to try to find out if she is worth meeting.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2037304]I tried WeChat briefly a few years back and it was over 2/3 ladyboys. I don't find it at all fun to send a dozen "are you a ladyboy?" messages and sit around waiting for the them to respond in order to maybe have 2 girls to choose from. Maybe it got better over time, but I'm not eager to try again.

As for location, even if they're well within 1km, it still involves setting up a meeting and waiting for them to show up, just to potentially have to shoo them away. With the traditional approach, the girl is right in front of you, every single time. You can see right away if you like her, and if you don't, you haven't wasted any of your and her time on meeting and it's no big deal to make your excuse and move on.

Given the low quality on Sukhumvit, I'd likely need to reject a good percentage of girls I meet, even after seeing their photos first... and the prospect of wasting even 10 min of both her and my time only to reject her is something I find off-putting.[/QUOTE]Buddy and I were messing around with WeChat the other week. Same deal, the vast majority were LBs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2037403]I messaged a black Girl on Craig List, and gave some info about myself. I asked her name and approx. Location, not much more than that. All she replied was 3000 ST and hope we will meet up. I am sorry but that is just not quite good enough. Did not even give a first name to call her by, which suggests she might have a bad reputation. No information about how we might meet up or anything. Next thing, she might expect to be paid up front, who knows.

I did not proceed further. Nothing gave me a feeling that she might be a fun girl. I just got the impression of an easy way to waste 3000. I don't need an endless string of messages back and forth to try to find out if she is worth meeting.[/QUOTE]Craigslist is a waste of time because the girls there price themselves too high. The exact same girls can be found elsewhere for less money. For some reason, they think they can charge more on craigslist and backpage.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2037473]Craigslist is a waste of time because the girls there price themselves too high. The exact same girls can be found elsewhere for less money. For some reason, they think they can charge more on craigslist and backpage.[/QUOTE]I made an appointment with Lucky and we Lined each other and set up a meeting at the Hotel lobby. She requested a confirmation an hour before and I confirmed. When the time to meet came she didn't show. I lined her asking where she was, assuming stuck in traffic, she came back with an answer that read, she decided that she got stiffed to many times and decided to cancel. Without a notice to me.

Rl.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2037409]Buddy and I were messing around with WeChat the other week. Same deal, the vast majority were LBs.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are some ladyboys on there but I don't think I've ever seen it where they make up the majority of the listings. Then again I've never used the app when I was at Nana. Usually, the majority consists of non- P4P ladies, massage ladies, 'call girls'. The only time that I see a lot more LBs on their is after midnight but still not close to being the majority. Many of the 'pretties' have fake boobs and nose jobs. They also fit that stereotypical description of being 'too beautiful' which is often an ill-conceived qualifier of a LB. I've hooked up with a good 20 of this type off of there and none turned out to be LBs, and in the couple of times that I was mistaken, the lady told me right away that she was a LB before the conversation when further.

I had lamb shank at Kiwi bar on soi8. I thought where will I go now?. I decided Crazy horse and went to the motorbike stand. I speak Thai. I asked raa kaa tao rai krab, it means how much and Krab in Thai sounds like crap in English LOL. I agreed part sib (80) baht. I arrived at CH and went in. I am well known and liked there by the mamasans and a lot of the girls. I began to check out the scene. I don't like fake noses, sillies, baby damage, untidy bushes, waist hip ratios under. 6 or over. 8. I need a V shaped butt but can settle for an A but H's and O's are turn offs for me. I prefer tear drop or round tits but bell shaped, side set or even round which I know a lot of punters prefer are not to my spec. I like my ladies to be between 25 and 30, under 48 kilos and height over 167 cm. I spend an hour there. I didn't interesting enough find anything to my spec. I thought it's getting late. I decided to go back to my girlfriend but she was not in the mood. I don't understand why she doesn't seem to like sex with me that much. I do take a while to come but I am a good lover even if some ladies are scared when they see my big dick. I decided to post this before I went to sleep.

Let me ask again: is this famous place now really closed? If so, where do all these freelancers go now, where are they to be found?

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2037752]Let me ask again: is this famous place now really closed? If so, where do all these freelancers go now, where are they to be found?[/QUOTE]It was open last night, although there is not a lot, if any, talent there these days. Lots of the FLs have migrated to Hillary 2. Unfortunately the music is very loud and not at all to my taste.

I read here sometime back that Climax is closing down for renovation. I wonder what is the current status. Can anyone throw some light? I am visiting BKK soon and have had a few nice pick ups from that place.

Hi guys,

Just wanted to introduce myself, long time viewer first time contributor. Have spent many times over the last 20 odd years in the LOS and around SEA. Have for a long time kept an eye on the forums for up-to-date information on girls and venues. Heading back in a couple of months, always spend a couple of nights each time in BKK before heading up country, and on the way out, have generally stayed away from Nana and PP as have a few long timers at Cowboy always been good to me, including a regular at Crazy House for the last couple of years who never fails to disappoint. Always enjoy the updates and am aware of many of the ladies mentioned in the forum, but have for no reason other than privacy kept quiet. Shall do my best to contribute.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2037808]I read here sometime back that Climax is closing down for renovation. I wonder what is the current status. Can anyone throw some light? I am visiting BKK soon and have had a few nice pick ups from that place.[/QUOTE]It's currently closed, not sure when it is to open again.

I've got the manager's number and will post when it reopens. We talk often.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2037752]Let me ask again: is this famous place now really closed? If so, where do all these freelancers go now, where are they to be found?[/QUOTE]Just about to every other bar in the lower Suk area.

Wanted a massage with extras. Walked down Soi 22 to scope out all the massage ladies. Not much talent so got bored with that. Tired from running errands all day, headed back to my condo on suk 15. Fired up wechat figuring one of the massage shops nearby has something. Nothing nearby that looked good. But because I opened the app, it resulted in 2 freelancers messaging me. The first one had a status message of "100% deaf girl. " We chat, only the real basics about meeting up and such. She sends me an image of the inside of a restaurant on Soi 5 (nobody in the picture). I tell her to come to my place. At which point she says she "need money. " So I video called, remembering advice on this forum to scope out the goods on video and not go by profile pictures. Answered but no video. Called again, no answer. Started browsing nearby and saw a second profile with the same exact status of "100% deaf girl" but different pictures. Figured it was a money-send scam and reported her for fraud to wechat. She later video calls me and it turns out it really is her, but a little less cute than in the pictures. Still do-able. She says how much, I say 2500 and she arrives very soon (10 minutes), sending pictures of various buildings along the way.

She arrives, and reasonably cute. Not rather cute as she was looking in her profile pictures (decent cleavage, slim and cute face, not too tan), which must have been older or shopped as she was slightly heavier and more tan. I never gave her the deaf test (like shouting behind her or something LOL). She doesn't understand how to read basic english, she was translating everything on google translate and continued to do this in the room. Just to break a little ice we chatted on our phones for like 3-4 lines, this didn't go on for very long at all. It was pretty nice throughout the hour, the peace and quiet. If she was pretending to be deaf, she's doing it right.

We both showered, separately, she gave me a massage as agreed upon. Body was good, no pregnancies and OK natural tits, but she is short, tan and not fit / muscular so kind of skinny / fat which I'm not really into so overall not my type but OK body. Obviously not licensed massage therapist but relaxing enough. Make out, typical foreplay (BBBJ and FIV). While doing foreplay she gave me the old brief STD lookover of my pork sword. Safe to say, the meat passed inspection. I get ontop of her and start knocking on her door with my big bad wolf. Proceed to enter the house. She moaned about as normal as any girl, not like a retard voice as some deaf people have. Which makes me wonder if she was really deaf haha. Multiple positions, not a very experienced girl, just very passive but submissive. BBFSCOB.

I woke up this morning at about 7.50. I looked at my girlfriend and wondered could I wake her and have some morning glory but decided not to. I opened the laptop to see what was happening on ISG. I know everything about what is happening but sometimes not often but sometimes somebody posts some good new news that I am not aware of. I have to tell you I hate the shit dumpers. I love to share my knowledge with my fellow mongers and I know they like to hear from me and it makes me feel good when they tell me so. I have some cornflakes and bananas for breakfast. I like cornflakes and bananas. I think they are healthy and if the bananas are just at their ripest they are very tasty. I speak Thai and the word for banana is kluay. I am going to be a little naughty. I have to tell you Pom mee kluay yai maak means I have a huge banana 555 LOL. I look at my watch. I see it is nearly 10. I know the oilies are open so after I shower I head down to Phrom Pong to check out if any of my favorites are on duty. I find recently I keep going back to my favorites as there are so few new arrivals that match my specs. I used to have 9 or 11 favorites now I have only 3 or 4. I keep in touch with some who have left the scene for different reasons and they tell me they still miss me. I get the BTS to Phrom Pong. I know the girls will get so excited when they see me. I am a good tipper. I am also a good customer. I check my watch. I see it is nearly midday. I have a cup of tea in Emporium and decide to send this post.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2037808]I read here sometime back that Climax is closing down for renovation. I wonder what is the current status. Can anyone throw some light? I am visiting BKK soon and have had a few nice pick ups from that place.[/QUOTE]That is good news that they are renovating. The place was a fire trap before. Maybe they will attract more good lookign girls in the future too. As Lucifer seems to have done in Pattaya. Hopefully it will be open again in August when I am back in LOS.

Arrived very late Thursday evening / Friday morning and had arranged to have my FL from Thermae from last trip meet me at my hotel when I arrived (230 am). She rolled up just as I was finished checking in so I could walk her upstairs after the compulsory ID card copy (Mercure Grand Residence Soi19). Room was nice and the action started well. She was as cute as I remembered from last trip and the GFE that I built up held up. Of course over Whatsapp she says she 'loves me' and 'missed me' but I know she's a working girl, so whatever. Anyway, I had asked her to stay with me a few nights and she showed up with a packed bag. The first evening to say the least was eventful and we got to know each other again quite well.

Friday. I had to 'work' for a few hours in the afternoon. Meaning I had to meet a colleague to discuss our work strategy for the next week and then I killed a few hours by going to Eden Club for a diversion from my live-in FL. Had a very nice session with 2 girls whose names I have idea what they were, but were both from the 'right' side of the line; I chose the first girl completely on looks / body. Her face was a 6-7, but her body was a solid 8-9 - slim, natural Bee cup breasts with baby, but minimal damage (slight scar but no belly or major stretch marks). She chose a slightly bigger girl with natural Cee cups and a bit of a tummy, but a pretty face and a solid performer in the room. After an SOP shower I got a double BJ with as rimming from the bigger girl that ended up in 69 with the slim one, and then proceeded to fuck the skinny one doggy until I lost my load. They cleaned me up and then proceeded to the 'lesbian show' which really was the skinny girl giving me a BJ while the other one rammed her with a strapon dildo. This lasted for a few minutes before I told the bigger girl I wanted to fuck her doggie. After that I fucked the skinny girl mission for a while, the dooggy again with the other girl slapping my ass and making out with me until I couldn't hold it anymore. We had a bit of time left so while the skinny girl showered I made out with the other girl and tried to get her to open up to DATY, but she was not having it. I fucked her for about 10 more minutes until it was time to shower up and call it a day. I got back to my room and my visiting FL had slept all afternoon and was showered and ready for another round. We made the best of my aborted third shot at Eden before cleaning up for dinner. After dinner we hit Levels on Soi11 and danced until 3 am and then retired to the room for another round of fucking.

Saturday. Woke up around noon well rested and horny. Had a nice playful morning session before cleaning up and eating at terminal 21, and then going bowling of all things somewere on Ratchada Road. First time I've done anything with balls there that didn't invovle a soapy! It was really fun actually. She's a working girl but she's fun to be around even with a pretty strong language barrier. Went back to the room afterwards and had a nice afternoon delight before dozing for a bit before dinner. I had made reservations at a couple of places for 8/830 but we slept too late to make those, so we went to cabbages and condoms before heading to Onyx for the night. We got a table and a bottle of Goose and proceeded to dance the night away. At least until she got way to drunk and I had to babysit the drunk FL in the cab and at the hotel. Luckily she didn't puke in the cab, but at the hotel was a wreck! So much for post-party sexy time tonight! I got her squared away and out of the woods and put her to bed after about an hour of puking / dry heaving and lots of "sorry baby", and then decided it was too early (3 am) to call it a night. I took a couple of laps around the now closing / closed Soi Cowboy and surrounding areas looking for something to take to a ST hotel, but wow, it was 90% ladyboys, and the girls that were real girls were either 'headed somewhere' or fugly. Oh well, I had a couple of beers at the side bar just south of Soi Cowby and chatted with one of the guys that works there. He tipped me off that the old guy sitting at the bar groping the 'girl' he was with was actually groping a ladyboy. We had a chuckle about that and I headed back to my hotel to make sure that my FL was OK (she was).

I tried to sleep but the caffeine I drank earlier at Onyx (vodka + pepsi) is keeping me awake.

Tomorrow is another day and I'm guessing that my FL is going to have one hell of a hangover. Not all that optimistic about a morning recovery, but I have I told her I have to 'work' in the afternoon, so plan on hitting tulip or mango for another PSE double feature in the early afternoon and possibly some other venue for some variety.

I head to Pattaya on Monday for a night or three for a change of scenery, and then back to BKK for 2-3 nights before I fly back to the states.

I'm planning my 3rd trip to LOS within a couple of weeks. I usually try to spend around 5 nights in Pattaya and 2 nights in Bangkok. During my last two trips I had a great time at Climax. I haven't had a chance to check out other places than Thermae. I didn't have much luck at Thermae as I am brown skinned and usually mistaken for Indian or a darker skinned Thai.

In your opinion what are the other alternatives that I could try given that Climax is now gone?

[QUOTE=NeilPatrick;2038258]I'm planning my 3rd trip to LOS within a couple of weeks. I usually try to spend around 5 nights in Pattaya and 2 nights in Bangkok. During my last two trips I had a great time at Climax. I haven't had a chance to check out other places than Thermae. I didn't have much luck at Thermae as I am brown skinned and usually mistaken for Indian or a darker skinned Thai.

In your opinion what are the other alternatives that I could try given that Climax is now gone?[/QUOTE]Insanity night club across the street from Thermae. Mix club at the intercontinental hotel across from Central World. Hillary bars on Soi 4. Levels on Soi 11. Sugar Club on Soi 11. The list is endless. I could go further but.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2038776]Insanity night club across the street from Thermae. Mix club at the intercontinental hotel across from Central World. Hillary bars on Soi 4. Levels on Soi 11. Sugar Club on Soi 11. The list is endless. I could go further but.[/QUOTE]That should be more than enough to keep me busy. Thanks a lot for that!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2038776]Mix club at the intercontinental hotel across from Central World. .[/QUOTE]If you have dark skin, this is the best option. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an Indian dude in that place.

Went there last night and the talent was excellent. Mostly all white skinned and young. Picked a young 20 year old with big breasts and braces, very cute. Had a few drinks at 110 per Heineken. Much cheaper than Sukhumvit normally. We snuggled up together at the table while I was fingering her. She was getting very hot and starting stroking me. All of a sudden her head disappeared under the table and she unzipped my fly. I couldn't believe she started to give me head right there in the bar. It was after 2 AM and we were sitting in a back corner. Very few customers around. It was only for about 2 minutes but one hell of a thrill for me. Anyways normally this place asks for all the money upfront bu this time I just paid them 500 Baht for the girl and paid my drink bill. I couldn't wait to get this one home. Nice see cup tits and a round ass for me to play with. We started out in missionary but I could tell I was hurting her a little. I'm really just normal size but she held up her pinky finger and said Khun Thai. I just laughed and tried to go slowly for her. Because of this, cow girl didn't work out to well so I flipped her over and finished BB doggy. What a thrill for me to do this young 20 year old with braces. Other than her complaint about some slight pain, it was a good encounter with a young girl with little to no inhibitions. She was really drunk so that must have helped.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2038898]Went there last night and the talent was excellent. Mostly all white skinned and young. Picked a young 20 year old with big breasts and braces, very cute. Had a few drinks at 110 per Heineken. Much cheaper than Sukhumvit normally. We snuggled up together at the table while I was fingering her. She was getting very hot and starting stroking me. All of a sudden her head disappeared under the table and she unzipped my fly. I couldn't believe she started to give me head right there in the bar. It was after 2 AM and we were sitting in a back corner. Very few customers around. It was only for about 2 minutes but one hell of a thrill for me. Anyways normally this place asks for all the money upfront bu this time I just paid them 500 Baht for the girl and paid my drink bill. I couldn't wait to get this one home. Nice see cup tits and a round ass for me to play with. We started out in missionary but I could tell I was hurting her a little. I'm really just normal size but she held up her pinky finger and said Khun Thai. I just laughed and tried to go slowly for her. Because of this, cow girl didn't work out to well so I flipped her over and finished BB doggy. What a thrill for me to do this young 20 year old with braces. Other than her complaint about some slight pain, it was a good encounter with a young girl with little to no inhibitions. She was really drunk so that must have helped.[/QUOTE]Awesome stuff!

Nice to see a report off the beaten track. How good does your Thai have to be for you to have success out there?

I was sipping a tea at the Oriental in the Emporium reading an article in the Economist on artificial intelligence. I looked at my watch it was mid afternoon. I had been up and down 24, 26 even 33 where I rarely venture. I must have visited 10 or 12 shops but found nothing to my spec. I saw a few new faces but all were lacking in one way or another. I smiled at some who knew me from previous sessions and I could see the disappointment when I left without heading upstairs with them. I began thinking about my specs and how it limits my choices. I thought for example fake noses are a big turn off for me and something a friend told me came to mind. I remember him saying Francis it's not fake noises that bothers you, no it's badly done fake noses that is the problem bro. I said how so and he said simple because if the procedure is well done you won't know the girl has a fake nose she will most likely look better than before. I began thinking about this because I think my obsession with fake noses is getting a little out of hand. I sometimes think I notice a fake nose and then up-close I realize it's not a fake nose. I feel I am going to have to get a grip on this before it really gets out of control. I might need some help.

I will return next month after a 12 year hiatus. My, prices have gone up. But it seems like I have choices. I will be staying just off Soi 22, and according to reports, the bar and massage section seems to have expanded there. I met a mamasan-ish 43 year old on thaicupid who works at Cho Cho at Queen Park Plaza. She said she has what I want there, a dark skin Isaan with tats and a tongue pierce. Color me skeptical. So many women online think we all want a bleach faced "nice" hooker. I want something hot, dark, and slutty. So I will check out Cho Cho, but can find no reviews. Any review on the girls there? Crazy House seems to get good reviews here, so definitely on my list. Any luck for me finding my type there? How should the other Soi Cowboy gogo's and bars?

I had a freelancer way back who freelanced on Soi Cowboy occasionally. Any more of that now? I see on YouTube Nana is even thicker with FL's than I remember, but I don't want to go there, I want to avoid dealing with a cab ride, and the inevitable ask for cab fare by the girl.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2038987]I was sipping a tea at the Oriental in the Emporium reading an article in the Economist on artificial intelligence. I looked at my watch it was mid afternoon. I had been up and down 24, 26 even 33 where I rarely venture. I must have visited 10 or 12 shops but found nothing to my spec. I saw a few new faces but all were lacking in one way or another. I smiled at some who knew me from previous sessions and I could see the disappointment when I left without heading upstairs with them. I began thinking about my specs and how it limits my choices. I thought for example fake noses are a big turn off for me and something a friend told me came to mind. I remember him saying Francis it's not fake noises that bothers you, no it's badly done fake noses that is the problem bro. I said how so and he said simple because if the procedure is well done you won't know the girl has a fake nose she will most likely look better than before. I began thinking about this because I think my obsession with fake noses is getting a little out of hand. I sometimes think I notice a fake nose and then up-close I realize it's not a fake nose. I feel I am going to have to get a grip on this before it really gets out of control. I might need some help.[/QUOTE]Pinoccio often comes to mind.

It's also an issue of wanting something for the sake of it. You don't throw a sharp edge onto something soft and / or delicate. It's too much of a contrast but these girls see a nose that they like and don't take into consideration if it will actually look natural. They think they'll look like some celebrity of a contrasting ethnicity and bone structure by just slapping a right triangle on their face. Its sad really, this need to spite yourself in order to achieve a certain level of perceived individuality but only to have it do the opposite.

[QUOTE=SearcherMan;2039119]I will return next month after a 12 year hiatus. My, prices have gone up. But it seems like I have choices. I will be staying just off Soi 22, and according to reports, the bar and massage section seems to have expanded there. I met a mamasan-ish 43 year old on thaicupid who works at Cho Cho at Queen Park Plaza. She said she has what I want there, a dark skin Isaan with tats and a tongue pierce. Color me skeptical. So many women online think we all want a bleach faced "nice" hooker. I want something hot, dark, and slutty. So I will check out Cho Cho, but can find no reviews. Any review on the girls there? Crazy House seems to get good reviews here, so definitely on my list. Any luck for me finding my type there? How should the other Soi Cowboy gogo's and bars?

I had a freelancer way back who freelanced on Soi Cowboy occasionally. Any more of that now? I see on YouTube Nana is even thicker with FL's than I remember, but I don't want to go there, I want to avoid dealing with a cab ride, and the inevitable ask for cab fare by the girl.[/QUOTE]With the exception of the dark skin, you would have loved the 20 year old I had from SephanKwai. She had braces, a belly ring, a tramp stamp, and a huge tattoo on her back and left arm. Very naughty.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2039252]With the exception of the dark skin, you would have loved the 20 year old I had from SephanKwai. She had braces, a belly ring, a tramp stamp, and a huge tattoo on her back and left arm. Very naughty.[/QUOTE]I'll read up on Sephankwai now. A search here with that spelling didn't turn up anything so I'll hit Google.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=SearcherMan;2039119]I will return next month after a 12 year hiatus. My, prices have gone up. But it seems like I have choices. I will be staying just off Soi 22, and according to reports, the bar and massage section seems to have expanded there. I met a mamasan-ish 43 year old on thaicupid who works at Cho Cho at Queen Park Plaza. She said she has what I want there, a dark skin Isaan with tats and a tongue pierce. Color me skeptical. So many women online think we all want a bleach faced "nice" hooker. I want something hot, dark, and slutty. So I will check out Cho Cho, but can find no reviews. Any review on the girls there? Crazy House seems to get good reviews here, so definitely on my list. Any luck for me finding my type there? How should the other Soi Cowboy gogo's and bars?

I had a freelancer way back who freelanced on Soi Cowboy occasionally. Any more of that now? I see on YouTube Nana is even thicker with FL's than I remember, but I don't want to go there, I want to avoid dealing with a cab ride, and the inevitable ask for cab fare by the girl.[/QUOTE]Well I heard rumours of Police clamp down on Soi 4 so FLs maybe not so thick. Depends who risks the roundup.

In Crazy House you have Smoothy's girl Ice, with very dark skin, heavily covered in tats and piercings, very raunchy type. I call her "Geronimo" in reference to the heavy war paint on a dark skin. I couldn't do her, as her face is not my type, a bit non feminine to say the least, but could be perfection for you. She is by no means one of the most ugly. Has implants but they are probably better than the sag bags she used to have. There are quite a few extra raunchy girls that I tend to stay clear of. If they were really pretty, I could change my mind, I guess. I tend to prefer girls that are moderately well behaved, even if totally naked. Not sure why. I suppose it is about choosing girls that are not putting on a big fake act, and just having some level of demureness about them.

Normally the pretty girls don't have to act so raunchy to get customers, so they don't. Raunchy seems to be a "suck the Farang in" mechanism, and it works.

Not too sure about freelancers around Cowboy. Not much going there, other than LBs and blackies. Street in Sukhumvit or some other sois may be better

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2039349]
In Crazy House you have Smoothy's girl Ice, with very dark skin, heavily covered in tats and piercings, very raunchy type. I call her "Geronimo" in reference to the heavy war paint on a dark skin. I couldn't do her, as her face is not my type, a bit non feminine to say the least, but could be perfection for you. She is by no means one of the most ugly. Has implants but they are probably better than the sag bags she used to have. I tend to prefer girls that are moderately well behaved, even if totally naked. Not sure why. I suppose it is about choosing girls that are not putting on a big fake act, and just having some level of demureness about them.[/QUOTE]If you have ever chatted with Ice, you would know that she is extremely well mannered and sweet. The wild look she portrays is misleading. However, I like that wild look. Her wild look is so unique that I would think every guy would want to take a ride at least once just for the experience. I haven't met a girl who looks like her anywhere in the world. The drawbacks with her is she has had kids so her pussy isn't all that tight, she puts tons of lotion on her body and I don't like the feel of that, and she demands a condom (she is fine with no condom for BJ). But she is very willing to please in bed, will do whatever you like and has plenty of energy. She's also a great girl just to hang out with, she can hold a conversation in English. As wild as she looks in the bar, she dresses quite nicely when you take her out of the place.

The only girl I have seen in Bangkok who is even remotely close to being as unique as her was that bleached blonde haired girl at Long Gun a while ago. They are rare finds, might as well give them a go at least once.

[QUOTE=SearcherMan;2039275]I'll read up on Sephankwai now. A search here with that spelling didn't turn up anything so I'll hit Google.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Check my user blog at the bottom of the forum and look in the Bangkok reports or you can search my posts or in the reports of distinction. You are probably spelling it wrong.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2039396]If you have ever chatted with Ice, you would know that she is extremely well mannered and sweet. The wild look she portrays is misleading. However, I like that wild look. Her wild look is so unique that I would think every guy would want to take a ride at least once just for the experience. I haven't met a girl who looks like her anywhere in the world. The drawbacks with her is she has had kids so her pussy isn't all that tight, she puts tons of lotion on her body and I don't like the feel of that, and she demands a condom (she is fine with no condom for BJ). But she is very willing to please in bed, will do whatever you like and has plenty of energy. She's also a great girl just to hang out with, she can hold a conversation in English. As wild as she looks in the bar, she dresses quite nicely when you take her out of the place.

The only girl I have seen in Bangkok who is even remotely close to being as unique as her was that bleached blonde haired girl at Long Gun a while ago. They are rare finds, might as well give them a go at least once.[/QUOTE]Ice is on my list! And MILF's always have rated high in my bed too. Is a walk from CH to Hotel 27 on Soi 22 too far? I remember it being not that far, but a girl might think otherwise.

Nothing on the bar Cho Cho? The photos make the girls look dressed for the prom. I've only partaken of FL's in BKK. My beer bar experience was on Soi 7 in Pattaya, back in the day. I like it where they dress in sexy street clothes like there. Any of those on Cowboy or Soi 22?

A note on Thaicupid. It is a good place to meet former bar girls, turned semi-pro MILF's. I'm settling on one who said we could roll in her hometown in Buriram. Works out great since I'm going to Savannakhet, and she may come with. She can't leave for BKK. She's a hot looking 31, with tattoos, of course. Like others I've met at thaicupid, they either settle in doing massage in BKK, or a regular job near their kids in their hometown. They are open to LT and understand sex is involved.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2037913]Wanted a massage with extras. Walked down Soi 22 to scope out all the massage ladies. Not much talent so got bored with that. Tired from running errands all day, headed back to my condo on suk 15. Fired up wechat figuring one of the massage shops nearby has something. Nothing nearby that looked good. But because I opened the app, it resulted in 2 freelancers messaging me. The first one had a status message of "100% deaf girl. " We chat, only the real basics about meeting up and such. She sends me an image of the inside of a restaurant on Soi 5 (nobody in the picture). I tell her to come to my place. At which point she says she "need money. " So I video called, remembering advice on this forum to scope out the goods on video and not go by profile pictures. Answered but no video. Called again, no answer. Started browsing nearby and saw a second profile with the same exact status of "100% deaf girl" but different pictures. Figured it was a money-send scam and reported her for fraud to wechat. She later video calls me and it turns out it really is her, but a little less cute than in the pictures. Still do-able. She says how much, I say 2500 and she arrives very soon (10 minutes), sending pictures of various buildings along the way.

She arrives, and reasonably cute. Not rather cute as she was looking in her profile pictures (decent cleavage, slim and cute face, not too tan), which must have been older or shopped as she was slightly heavier and more tan. I never gave her the deaf test (like shouting behind her or something LOL). She doesn't understand how to read basic english, she was translating everything on google translate and continued to do this in the room..[/QUOTE]This has to be one of the funniest stories I've ever heard!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2039416]Check my user blog at the bottom of the forum and look in the Bangkok reports or you can search my posts or in the reports of distinction. You are probably spelling it wrong.[/QUOTE]In google maps it's spelled "Saphan Khwai", not "Sephan Kwai".

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2039503]In google maps it's spelled "Saphan Khwai", not "Sephan Kwai".[/QUOTE]Yep! When trying to put Thai names into English, all sorts of spellings are possible, and some can be misleading. Some can be just typos.

Saphan Khwai means Buffalo Bridge. Sounds like Sa-parn.

Strangely although accurate vowel sounds is not important in English speaking (every country pronounces differently), it is far more important in Thai.

If we say "River Khwai" or "River Kwai" to Thai people they are unlikely to understand. In Thai, it is actually called the River Khwae (sounds like Quair). This time nothing to do with Khwai (buffaloes) at all. If look on Google Maps can actually see the rivers Khwae Yai and Khwae Noi, the big and small tributaries.

The girl I did last night spells her name Aum. That is misleading for me. I spell it Oom as it rhymes with Boom-Boom, that lovely bargirls euphemism for fucking. Oom really likes a good Boom-Boom.

On a complete tangent, I looked in Crazy House last night, since Oom said she was working. Used to be number 91 now perhaps 78 or 79. Tall skinny girl but still nice soft small tits. Very shy but very good for enthusiastic fuck once she gets going. Always worth getting 2 or 3 tequilas into her first to loosen her up. She lost many kilos so is extra sleek and sexy now. I love it.

Oom was late, stuck watching a silly nasty Thai Lakhorn (Soapy) on the TV, "Mia Luang". Fortunately she arrived not long after me. I enjoyed the fuck immensely at ST Hotel Asoke Place. Since it is not a busy night, they allow me to go well over the hour for my room fee of 350 Baht. So I avoid mongering on Fridays and Saturdays at Cowboy for this reason. Others staying the night in a nearby Hotel, won't have this factor. I have actually cut bar attendance right back, since it tends to waste money. I could probably meet the girls privately.

It is the first week of the school term for primary and secondary schools. This seems to coincide with the return of a lot of bargirls away since Songkran, even if my girls have no baby, so I don't quite see why this is. All the girls I do regularly were present at CH, and are slim, Oom, Jane and Jun. I exclude the long gone favourites Nat, Donut, May-Lee. Jun has reddish blonde hair and looks vaguely like Keira Knightley. Jane No. 4 is little girl from Surin but hot and popular. One to Two months back, all my regular girls would have been missing. I haven't found any new exciting girls at CH. So just keep repeating the old ones. CH was really at it's best 3 to 4 years ago when line up was smaller but quality. Oom was there even in the beginning, aged 17 at the time. LOL. No girls like that age any more in CH. Police shut downs happen frequently to places with illegal girls. CH is at least part owned by some big Police guys. LOL

At first I thought I was sitting next to an Indian guy last night, but I must have been mistaken. Misread the accent, and did not look exactly Indian. Equally dark though. I am told Indians are not allowed in because they are too much hassle and trouble makers, in general ( I realise all to well that this is quite unfair to the well behaved ones). Perhaps Indians will be allowed if accompanied by a regular well known customer.

As I exited Crazy House last night, the strangest thing. A huge line of about 12 girls, perhaps with some guys, were waiting to come into Crazy as customers. They looked like Koreans (maybe). I forgot my umbrella inside Crazy, which was later to prove important. Thailand seems to have two rainy seasons these days, and the first lesser rainy period has definitely been going for over a week now. Fortunately was not quite "bucketing down" but I had to buy an umbrella later for 120 Baht ( a longer handle type).

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2039503]In google maps it's spelled "Saphan Khwai", not "Sephan Kwai".[/QUOTE]Thanks guys. I found the neighborhood on the map. Looks like an easy rail ride from Asok BTS. While I eventually liked winding up in Pattaya on my last trip, I really loved the mix of mongering, street food and cultural sights in BKK.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2038987]I was sipping a tea at the Oriental in the Emporium reading an article in the Economist on artificial intelligence. I looked at my watch it was mid afternoon. I had been up and down 24, 26 even 33 where I rarely venture. I must have visited 10 or 12 shops but found nothing to my spec. I saw a few new faces but all were lacking in one way or another. I smiled at some who knew me from previous sessions and I could see the disappointment when I left without heading upstairs with them. I began thinking about my specs and how it limits my choices. I thought for example fake noses are a big turn off for me and something a friend told me came to mind. I remember him saying Francis it's not fake noises that bothers you, no it's badly done fake noses that is the problem bro. I said how so and he said simple because if the procedure is well done you won't know the girl has a fake nose she will most likely look better than before. I began thinking about this because I think my obsession with fake noses is getting a little out of hand. I sometimes think I notice a fake nose and then up-close I realize it's not a fake nose. I feel I am going to have to get a grip on this before it really gets out of control. I might need some help.[/QUOTE]Franciscass,

We're in the same boat. There's something un-natural for me to see an Asian with a nose job. Instant turn off. However there's also other choices I. E keep searching, do a fugly or the old standby of the twin sisters. Palmela and Fistina. Keep it up!

I again couldn't find anything on the circuit to my spec or taste, are Thai girls getting fatter or is it just my imagination, you all know I like slim, so anyway in somewhat of a desperate state I decide to call an old flame from back when. I know she is off the radar due to a sponsorship from a 60 something Norwegian dude but she and I had some amazing chemistry when she was working Cowboy. I know she is exactly what I need so I line her and ask if it's OK to pop around. I am surprised that she calls back immediately almost like she was waiting for my call and asks why I am calling her after so long, it's been about 4 months. I tell her I miss her and want to see her and she says I miss you and want to see you too but my boyfriend coming in 2 days. I say OK no problem and she says yes big problem. I say why she says he know something happen because my pussy not tight after your big dick go inside and I will not be so horny because you make me finish too many times. I say OK kao jai laew khrap the kao sounds like cow LOL anyway it means I understand in Thai although the phrase you would be better getting familiar with is mai kao jai krap which means I don't understand in Thai as it is more likely that you would be in more situations where this would come in handy LOL. I say I see you but no boom boom OK? I wait but I already know the answer, OK ka. I smile because I know exactly what will happen when I get there. I know the chemistry between us and I know she will be unable to control herself when she sees me again and I hold her in my arms. I would say she is one of the best kissers I've met in some 20 years or at least one of the best there have been so many. I know she likes my jokes. I have a repertoire which I keep updating. I love how she laughs while riding me cowgirl when I tell her something funny. I take a while to come so I don't need no jackhammer action and she is slow and our rhythm is pure poetry. I have to say I don't get much jackhammer PSE action anyway from any of my regulars, because of my size and power, a few minutes and its sorry cannot anymore hurt too much darling. I spend an amazing 3 hours there, left completely drained, somewhat poorer but worth every baht. I will have to check down the line to find out what happened when the boyfriend arrived back in town LOL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2039252]With the exception of the dark skin, you would have loved the 20 year old I had from SephanKwai. She had braces, a belly ring, a tramp stamp, and a huge tattoo on her back and left arm. Very naughty.[/QUOTE]I love your style dog, taking the path less traveled. I do the same but not so much the bars more the off the beaten track regular massage shops. I recently found a gem at a place called Ease and Retreat just south of Phayathai BTS. I don't give out names unless I get permission from the girl and she was horrified when I suggested I would mention her on the internet. I'm sorry but I can say its a small shop and she is the masseuse there.

[QUOTE=NeilPatrick;2038258]I'm planning my 3rd trip to LOS within a couple of weeks. I usually try to spend around 5 nights in Pattaya and 2 nights in Bangkok. During my last two trips I had a great time at Climax. I haven't had a chance to check out other places than Thermae. I didn't have much luck at Thermae as I am brown skinned and usually mistaken for Indian or a darker skinned Thai.

In your opinion what are the other alternatives that I could try given that Climax is now gone?[/QUOTE]You could try out Bossy and Shock 39, really depends upon what you are looking for. If you like CIS freelancers, then you may find these places interesting.

Started the night out a For you formally the Best. Same owner. Small bar still with about 20 ladies. Atmosphere was dull last night. Ordered one large bottle of Heineken for 120 Baht. Can't beat that price for the large size in a Bangkok. Moved over to T -Ded and it was the complete opposite. Sat down and ordered another Heineken. They really push you to order food here but I told them I'm not hungry but I would let the girl order some after I found one. There is one ladyboy Moma son who always takes good care of me by recommending ladies and this time, she did not disappoint.

She brought over this stunning sexy 28 year old with large natural see cups, similar to my other girl but with no tattoos or braces. We sat and flirted for a while drinking beers and speaking broken Thai and English together. She kept asking me to boom boom but I wanted to test the waters to see how patient she would be. She hung in there like a trooper so I went ahead and took her. 500 Baht to the Moma and 2,500 for her LT.

Back at my place, I could see she was drunk, but a happy drunk. Quick shower and I couldn't wait any longer to get my hands on those large natural melons. I grabbed on for dear life squeezing, sucking, and dove in for a nice long DATY session. She was squirming all around and screaming, it was a splendid site to see. I couldn't wait any longer and slipped the condom on and went to town on that pussy. To date, she has been the most vocal and active sex partner I have had from T-Ded. Miss, cowgirl, and a very long doggy session to finish. Now this is where it's gets more interesting. We cuddle and talk for about 20 minutes and she starts stroking me and asking if I have power. Second shot? Giddy up! At this stage, I was so horny again, I just took the plunge and it wasn't until I had finished again that I realized it was BB. My mind was just so into this sexy girl and being with her made me feel like I had no other cares in the world.

Body- 8/10.

Atitude - 10/10.

Face-9/10.

Repeat? No because I will fall in love if I do.

[QUOTE=EatALotOpus;2039781]Franciscass,

We're in the same boat. There's something un-natural for me to see an Asian with a nose job. Instant turn off. However there's also other choices I. E keep searching, do a fugly or the old standby of the twin sisters. Palmela and Fistina. Keep it up![/QUOTE]I had this nightmare recently. I got pissed and woke up beside a really bad nose job. I know it's insane but it was horrific nearly as bad as my recurring nightmare when I was younger that I had a small dick. I happily got over that by my early 40's and now most of the time I sleep like a baby maybe because I am usually exhausted from shagging one of my favorites. I take a long time to finish and although I'm in great shape at least that what the girls tell I find I don't have the same recovery energy as I get older. I think I could do with losing a few more pounds. I am usually only good for a single but as that takes 30 minutes or longer I'm happy to head home unless I am with my girlfriend and then I just doze off.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2040194] I got pissed and woke up beside a really bad nose job.[/QUOTE]My favorite girl at Soi Cowboy has a bad nose job. But an absolutely killer body, great personality and great in bed.

I worry the wet season has come early this year. Its really bucketing down. Suk Soi 23 is like a river at least temporarily. Its even a bit windy. Stuck in the Pub.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2040507]I worry the wet season has come early this year. Its really bucketing down. Suk Soi 23 is like a river at least temporarily. Its even a bit windy. Stuck in the Pub.[/QUOTE]Oh that is not good. I am trying to make up my mind whether to drop by BKK in two weeks, but if the monsoons have begun then I'll pass and go elsewhere (since I'll be in the SEA area). I remember some years ago when the streets became like rivers, knee or waist deep or more. Not a lot of fun, and not a lot of action to be had in the wet misery. I thought this usually doesn't start until late June?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2040507]I worry the wet season has come early this year. Its really bucketing down. Suk Soi 23 is like a river at least temporarily. Its even a bit windy. Stuck in the Pub.[/QUOTE]Yes definitely an early start this year, the previous 2-3 years the monsoon never got going until late June early July.

Friends, I'll be in sukhamvit for Saturday June 3rd and as I am not a regular Thai mongerer I wanted to get opinions on the best way to spend my birthday in Bangkok. Details are I am flying solo, but have some cash to blow (say 500-1000 US) - I like to drink and I usually chase a GFE scenario over sport fucking. Also enjoy hanging with the guys so if anyone is up for a blast with me June 3rd, welcome to join me! Thanks guys.

I will be next month in Bangkok. Where I can meet Russian freelancer?

Are Russians do kinky?

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;2041062]Friends, I'll be in sukhamvit for Saturday June 3rd and as I am not a regular Thai mongerer I wanted to get opinions on the best way to spend my birthday in Bangkok. Details are I am flying solo, but have some cash to blow (say 500-1000 US) - I like to drink and I usually chase a GFE scenario over sport fucking. Also enjoy hanging with the guys so if anyone is up for a blast with me June 3rd, welcome to join me! Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]We all have our own foibles. We can't tell you what you will like doing or enjoy. We have to write about what we like doing, and we do. Read on to some field reports in various threads.

I best advice is to find some things that others did that might appeal to you, and try several of them, to see which things are really for you. Since it's you birthday, spoil yourself silly for one day!

[QUOTE=Kalamarlau;2041084]I will be next month in Bangkok. Where I can meet Russian freelancer?

Are Russians do kinky?[/QUOTE]They can be found at Mixx. The part of the club that plays techno is crawling with them.

I have no idea what they charge as I am not in the least bit interested in them. But I am sure that it is upward of 5 K LT.

As for your last question, I am not quite sure what you are alluding to. As I have no experience with them I have no way of answering even if I did.

Schastlivo! (good luck)!

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;2041062]Friends, I'll be in sukhamvit for Saturday June 3rd and as I am not a regular Thai mongerer I wanted to get opinions on the best way to spend my birthday in Bangkok. Details are I am flying solo, but have some cash to blow (say 500-1000 US) - I like to drink and I usually chase a GFE scenario over sport fucking. Also enjoy hanging with the guys so if anyone is up for a blast with me June 3rd, welcome to join me! Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]If you like chasing the GFE, then take a girl out from Thermae for dinner / drinks / dancing OR do the same with a GoGo girl OR Spasso at 11 pm. End the day at a late-night club Mixx / Levels / Insanity. Alternative is to also go the online / chat route.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2041217]They can be found at Mixx. The part of the club that plays techno is crawling with them.

I have no idea what they charge as I am not in the least bit interested in them. But I am sure that it is upward of 5 K LT.

As for your last question, I am not quite sure what you are alluding to. As I have no experience with them I have no way of answering even if I did.

Schastlivo! (good luck)![/QUOTE]Crawling wold be a massive overstatement. That said, they are there. Quality of Russians in BKK seemed much diminished compared to several years ago (there used to be a bunch of them at the now closed CM2).

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;2041062]Friends, I'll be in sukhamvit for Saturday June 3rd and as I am not a regular Thai mongerer I wanted to get opinions on the best way to spend my birthday in Bangkok. Details are I am flying solo, but have some cash to blow (say 500-1000 US) - I like to drink and I usually chase a GFE scenario over sport fucking. Also enjoy hanging with the guys so if anyone is up for a blast with me June 3rd, welcome to join me! Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]You should check out Star of Light in Patpong or Kasalong in Sukhimvit in the morning / lunch time and just use tinder to find a girl, there are plenty of normal / semi working girls / working girls on it.

There are a few street walkers on the street. A few blocks down from Nana Plaza.

None that I like when I was there.

[QUOTE=Kalamarlau;2041084]I will be next month in Bangkok. Where I can meet Russian freelancer?

Are Russians do kinky?[/QUOTE]

Arriving next week and keeping up to date on ISG. Again so much to wade through before getting anything of interest. Seems to me the Thailand forum has more in common nowadays with Penthouse letters than the where, who, what and how much. I really believe it would be appropriate for some members to talk about themselves on their Facebook page rather than cluttering up the forum. That said there are some good bits. I like Bkkdog's mention of Saphan Khwai and have added it to my to visit list.

Also may I humbly suggest that a separate tread be made available for those members who like to show off their Thai language skills? Ok I get it that mentioning how to say in Thai can I stick my dick in your ass or can I deposit in your mouth can be helpful but most of it is just showing off, boring and adds nothing of value at least for me.

Looking forward to the visit and bringing a brolly.

Hello friends,

First let me thank all the senior members FR their inputs. Have been reading and following this forum from sometime now.

This would be my first post after a long time, forgot the credentials of my old account. Hence probably less to no backup of my previous experiences in 2011 to share with the community during my visit to Mexico and then Germany.

The last time I visited Thailand was when I was a kid in early nineties, but looking forward to my trip starting Tom.

I have taken up a hotel in the Pratunam area, which is the shopping district. Can anyone suggest any places around their to start off.

Also would value an oppt to meet senior members and monger together.

Thanks,

Cheers.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;2041250]Arriving next week and keeping up to date on ISG. Again so much to wade through before getting anything of interest. Seems to me the Thailand forum has more in common nowadays with Penthouse letters than the where, who, what and how much. I really believe it would be appropriate for some members to talk about themselves on their Facebook page rather than cluttering up the forum. That said there are some good bits. I like Bkkdog's mention of Saphan Khwai and have added it to my to visit list.

Also may I humbly suggest that a separate tread be made available for those members who like to show off their Thai language skills? Ok I get it that mentioning how to say in Thai can I stick my dick in your ass or can I deposit in your mouth can be helpful but most of it is just showing off, boring and adds nothing of value at least for me.

Looking forward to the visit and bringing a brolly.[/QUOTE]Dude, there are so damn many "where, who, what and how much" posts in this Bangkok reports thread that if you haven't noticed them, that's sad. Considering this is the "Bangkok" reports thread, I'm not sure why Saphan Kwai would be a great topic here, but I don't mind it and enjoy that as well. I do notice he started a separate thread for Saphan Kwai though as well. I also don't mind the guys teaching Thai or whatever other discussions either. If there were only where, who, what and how much posts, this forum would quickly die because it would be boring as hell and the long time posters would stop visiting.

I decided to start the evening off in Crazy horse. I just finished a steak at EL Gaucho's on 19 washed down with a glass of a so so house red. I think it was a Bordeaux. I would normally when a Bordeaux go for a Medoc and depending on the vintage preferably from the northern region. I still remember my pleasure at sharing a bottle of '61 Mouton Rothschild after closing a deal in Tokyo some years back.

I know its odd well maybe not but did you know there is no word as such in Thai for steak. I have sometimes heard a word used sounding like steak which I believe is spelled stek but rarely used and sounds like stay ek. I like my steak or stek LOL sook sook well done and I know beef in Thai is nuea pronounced noo ah.

I digress. I settled at CH into my favorite spot at the far end of the room not at the bar itself a little further back where I have a panoramic view of the goings on. I am not always able to get this spot but I got it this time and looked up and saw an amazing ass. I always feel the girls dancing with few exceptions lack sexiness in their movement when they are on stage but not this body no sir. I would describe it as a round but with a definite tending towards a V and a hip to thigh measuring I'm guessing. 7 to. 75. I always though V shaped or possibly an A were my preferences but on her round was an eye-opener. I like slim as you all know and with her height of again I'm guessing but 172 plus she was definitely in my sights for a session on the bed.

I watched as she slowly turned around. I could feel my excitement growing as I checked out the frontage starting with the feet, couldn't see the toes very well from my position but I can overlook it if they are not perfectly aligned. I quickly moved up to check out the gap, perfect at about an inch. I knew the tummy would be flat and toned, it was. I had this horrid feeling there would be sillies but no beautiful tear drops. I said that's it I don't care what the face looks like with a body like that I'm all in.

I looked at the face, nice chin full lips ahhhhhhh nooooooooo noooo the worst nose job I have ever seen. I thought she must have been in a scrap with another girl who had hit her square on the nose with a baseball bat. I got up and left wondering why she did it she was so perfect.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;2041250]Arriving next week and keeping up to date on ISG. Again so much to wade through before getting anything of interest. Seems to me the Thailand forum has more in common nowadays with Penthouse letters than the where, who, what and how much. I really believe it would be appropriate for some members to talk about themselves on their Facebook page rather than cluttering up the forum. That said there are some good bits. I like Bkkdog's mention of Saphan Khwai and have added it to my to visit list.

Also may I humbly suggest that a separate tread be made available for those members who like to show off their Thai language skills? Ok I get it that mentioning how to say in Thai can I stick my dick in your ass or can I deposit in your mouth can be helpful but most of it is just showing off, boring and adds nothing of value at least for me.

Looking forward to the visit and bringing a brolly.[/QUOTE]I somewhat agree as to that last part but only in regards to their purpose.

For years, I've seen so many farangs try to use online forums to teach other people Thai and for no other obvious reason than to try to come off as a more credible source of information. Given that Thai is such a tonal language, its practically useless to try and teach it via the written word especially if you're totally alien to it. It generally has to be heard and spoken from / with native speakers. There are also a lot of errors in what I generally see, mostly due to the misunderstanding of the cultural aspect of the language. This is the result of these guys mostly learning their Thai from sex workers who generally have very poor or informal Thai communication skills themselves. I also see a lot of guys attempting to pass of their Thai with google translate. Its usually quite obvious given that the way that app works doesn't translate well to Thai.

With that being said, I am of the opinion that learning Thai is a great way to maximize your experience when traveling to LOS. So much more opens up to you if you can communicate with the locals in their own tongue. It can be a completely different and amazing experience. I just recommend learning it from a local.

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;2041062]Friends, I'll be in sukhamvit for Saturday June 3rd and as I am not a regular Thai mongerer I wanted to get opinions on the best way to spend my birthday in Bangkok. Details are I am flying solo, but have some cash to blow (say 500-1000 US) - I like to drink and I usually chase a GFE scenario over sport fucking. Also enjoy hanging with the guys so if anyone is up for a blast with me June 3rd, welcome to join me! Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Hi bud,

I'll be in BKK from June 2-5 on a short transit stop and hunt.

Staying in Soi 11, PM me if you want to grab a beer.

Floss.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2041279]Dude, there are so damn many "where, who, what and how much" posts in this Bangkok reports thread If there were only where, who, what and how much posts, this forum would quickly die because it would be boring as hell and the long time posters would stop visiting.[/QUOTE]If that would be the case I assume I have clicked on Dehli thread.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2041279]Dude, there are so damn many "where, who, what and how much" posts in this Bangkok reports thread that if you haven't noticed them, that's sad. Considering this is the "Bangkok" reports thread, I'm not sure why Saphan Kwai would be a great topic here, but I don't mind it and enjoy that as well. I do notice he started a separate thread for Saphan Kwai though as well. I also don't mind the guys teaching Thai or whatever other discussions either. If there were only where, who, what and how much posts, this forum would quickly die because it would be boring as hell and the long time posters would stop visiting.[/QUOTE]I think Gerry has a point.

I agree the forum is becoming more and more of an outlet for talking about ourselves what we eat what we like than about sharing good intel.

I appreciate well written posts even when they there are not that informative but I have to say I use the ignore button for one or two members who I find too repetitive and self-indulgent. I have no doubt my contributions are similarly treated by some members.

I personally feel the great thing about the forum is its open to everybody within reason to say what they want a sort of digital Hyde Park speakers corner.

I would suggest though as we are ultimately all fellow mongers it would be nice if we always treated each other with respect and our differences of opinion were not personalized. LOL.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;2041250]Arriving next week and keeping up to date on ISG. Again so much to wade through before getting anything of interest. Seems to me the Thailand forum has more in common nowadays with Penthouse letters than the where, who, what and how much. I really believe it would be appropriate for some members to talk about themselves on their Facebook page rather than cluttering up the forum. That said there are some good bits. I like Bkkdog's mention of Saphan Khwai and have added it to my to visit list.

Also may I humbly suggest that a separate tread be made available for those members who like to show off their Thai language skills? Ok I get it that mentioning how to say in Thai can I stick my dick in your ass or can I deposit in your mouth can be helpful but most of it is just showing off, boring and adds nothing of value at least for me.

Looking forward to the visit and bringing a brolly.[/QUOTE]Yes, discussion should be **started** in the lounge area, in my opinion. If we could all think "hey that's interesting, let's expand on that". Don't hit the reply button. Hit the back button and start that discussion in the lounge. The same audience who will read it and care (eg: the regulars/expats) in the reports section will surely find it in the lounge area. I think this should be about reports and asking questions about reports. And also asking questions about where is good now, as places that were good 2-3 months ago may be not so good now. I follow these forums myself to know where the hot girls are so I also read the reports for intell as well and often have to skip past discussion.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2041279]Considering this is the "Bangkok" reports thread, I'm not sure why Saphan Kwai would be a great topic here, but I don't mind it and enjoy that as well. I do notice he started a separate thread for Saphan Kwai though as well.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, Saphan Khwai is an adult entertainment area located in Bangkok the same as Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Soi Nana/Soi 4 are. Isn't it? It was located in Bangkok the last time I went there a year or two ago.

[QUOTE=InterTravel224;2041261]Hello friends,

First let me thank all the senior members FR their inputs. Have been reading and following this forum from sometime now.

This would be my first post after a long time, forgot the credentials of my old account. Hence probably less to no backup of my previous experiences in 2011 to share with the community during my visit to Mexico and then Germany.

The last time I visited Thailand was when I was a kid in early nineties, but looking forward to my trip starting Tom.

I have taken up a hotel in the Pratunam area, which is the shopping district. Can anyone suggest any places around their to start off.

Also would value an oppt to meet senior members and monger together.

Thanks,

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Pratunam is not a core area for mongering, but I guess some of the sky bars in this area is nice. I have been to the Rock Bar in Pratunam but it is mainly a venue for people interested in rock. It is more the style of a small concert venue were people concentrate on the music. I was there from 10 to 11 PM and left because it was in fact a bit boring! I do like rock music but I like a more electric vibe. The cover bands in Nana area and Soi cowboy are probably not at the same level as musicians but at least you have a more vibrant environment. Just my personal taste. Anyway, for mongering it is Soi Cowboy, Nana or Patpong. No need to explore other areas really. Easy to find your own special place to like in one of those area. They have not changed much since 2011 expect for prices. Nana is probably better now than in 2011 and Patpong has experienced a small comeback in recent years; more people there now than 4-5 years ago.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2041497]Just to clarify, Saphan Khwai is an adult entertainment area located in Bangkok the same as Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Soi Nana/Soi 4 are. Isn't it? It was located in Bangkok the last time I went there a year or two ago.[/QUOTE]I think for farangs it has come to be known as such but it's really just an intersection and BTS station. Nowadays, the area is more well known as a notable residential area along with Ari that are more comparable to Thong lor and Ekamai.

And yes the area is considered to be a part of Bangkok but since it's not Suhkumvit some may think it doesn't count.

Hi,

I am an staying in Soi 23 . It would great of someone can guide me where I can have Nuru or good relaxation. Your help is much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2041279]Considering this is the "Bangkok" reports thread, I'm not sure why Saphan Kwai would be a great topic here, but I don't mind it and enjoy that as well. I do notice he started a separate thread for Saphan Kwai though as well.[/QUOTE]It is in the Bangkok thread because it is located in Bangkok LOL. I also created a separate thread because there are a lot of members who like to discuss the local scene and I feel that it warrants it's on thread. I will post highlights in the Bangkok thread and long discussions and tips will go in my user blog.

Two weeks ago I was in Crazy House. First visit, as usually I go first to Suzie Wong and find my companion there already.

This time however I changed my usual routine and arrived in CH between 9:30 and 10 PM just when some shows were performed. You know, the usual stuff: painting girls with fluo paint, pussies shooting darts at balloons and a rather nice chrome pole dance routine, unfortunately not nude.

Most girls were nude, both when "dancing" and when mingling with the customers.

After her dance routine, no. 26 (I forgot her name) approached me and we quickly came to terms: barfine of 700 baht and ST fee of 2500 baht for two hours or two pops whatever comes first. She is from Chiang Mai, spinner sized but not skinny and nice b-cup tits.

In the room, after undressing and showering, we started with some hugging and DFK. She offered A+ at no extra cost (she said she really likes that) but I was not interested. BBBJ, different positions and covered FS. She got quite wet after some pussy licking but only allows that for a short time.

Second round very similar to the first round but different positions and again A+ was suggested (and politely declined by me).

We had some talk between the rounds and she said she really hates it when guys try to haggle her price down. Usually, she said, she only allows one pop for ST but as I was a "nice guy" and agreed to her price I got the second pop for free. Yeah for being "jai dee"!

Her service was OK, not special but also not hurried when actually fucking. However, she is not into idle chatting or just burning time. I'd say a good professional and worth a repeat.

I have only one complaint in respect of CH: they should reduce the sound level by at least 50%.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;2041250]Arriving next week and keeping up to date on ISG. Again so much to wade through before getting anything of interest. Seems to me the Thailand forum has more in common nowadays with Penthouse letters than the where, who, what and how much. I really believe it would be appropriate for some members to talk about themselves on their Facebook page rather than cluttering up the forum. That said there are some good bits. I like Bkkdog's mention of Saphan Khwai and have added it to my to visit list.

Also may I humbly suggest that a separate tread be made available for those members who like to show off their Thai language skills? Ok I get it that mentioning how to say in Thai can I stick my dick in your ass or can I deposit in your mouth can be helpful but most of it is just showing off, boring and adds nothing of value at least for me.

Looking forward to the visit and bringing a brolly.[/QUOTE]Why someone who participates on a somewhat public forum, would suggest to others that their contributions are not important or welcome. It seems a little bit elitist to me that someone else should decide for me what is "interesting" or of value. While I may agree that some posts may not by definition completely fall in line with the title of the forum, many times I have found useful nuggets embedded in posts that are otherwise of little interests to me. I know and agree that all posts should adhere to the TOS for this forum and the forum owner has given guidelines of what is acceptable and not acceptable. I would also like to offer an alternative to trying to suggest that the forum be censored to fit your (or anyone else's) idea of "appropriate content", is that you use the block feature to weed out those individuals that do not meet your standards for posting, or just keep scrolling instead of wasting the time to read material for which you have little use. Of course that is just one person's perspective.

Sky.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2040078]Started the night out a For you formally the Best. Same owner. Small bar still with about 20 ladies. Atmosphere was dull last night. Ordered one large bottle of Heineken for 120 Baht. Can't beat that price for the large size in a Bangkok. Moved over to T -Ded and it was the complete opposite. Sat down and ordered another Heineken. They really push you to order food here but I told them I'm not hungry but I would let the girl order some after I found one. There is one ladyboy Moma son who always takes good care of me by recommending ladies and this time, she did not disappoint.



Repeat? No because I will fall in love if I do.[/QUOTE]Best quote till date: REPEAT no as I will fall in love: is what I say to all women here in DXB but you my man have opened a new venue for thrill seekers like me: SAPHAN KAWAI it is on the next trip.

Cheers and tx mate and I love thai pussy its so amazing: and I miss BKK so much now.

Peace.

Alex.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2041607]I think for farangs it has come to be known as such but it's really just an intersection and BTS station. Nowadays, the area is more well known as a notable residential area along with Ari that are more comparable to Thong lor and Ekamai.

And yes the area is considered to be a part of Bangkok but since it's not Suhkumvit some may think it doesn't count.[/QUOTE]Oh give your head a shake man. The whole street from beginning to end where the bars are are filled with Go Go bars, massage shops, and Kareoke bars. It is simply one of the areas in Bangkok catering to the locals and for someone to think because it's not Sukhumvit then it does not count is ridiculous. Ok so should not post about Ratchada, G Clubs, Rama 9, RCA, or anywhere. Only Sukhumvit is considered Bangkok.

Ridiculous post!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2041799]Oh give your head a shake man. The whole street from beginning to end where the bars are are filled with Go Go bars, massage shops, and Kareoke bars. It is simply one of the areas in Bangkok catering to the locals and for someone to think because it's not Sukhumvit then it does not count is ridiculous. Ok so should not post about Ratchada, G Clubs, Rama 9, RCA, or anywhere. Only Sukhumvit is considered Bangkok.

Ridiculous post![/QUOTE]Are you calling my post ridiculous or Smoothys because I tend to agree with what you're saying especially the part about it being in Bangkok.

Saphan Khwai is a local area but there is more to it than it being a red light district. Its mostly known as a residential 'area'. Ratchada is also considered more of a residential and business district, and for RCA, more than just an MP sex area.

Rama 9 is known as a mostly a shopping and business area.

All are in Bangkok.

Why someone who participates on a somewhat public forum, would suggest to others that their contributions are not important or welcome. It seems a little bit elitist to me that someone else should decide for me what is "interesting" or of value. While I may agree that some posts may not by definition completely fall in line with the title of the forum, many times I have found useful nuggets embedded in posts that are otherwise of little interests to me. I know and agree that all posts should adhere to the TOS for this forum and the forum owner has given guidelines of what is acceptable and not acceptable. I would also like to offer an alternative to trying to suggest that the forum be censored to fit your (or anyone else's) idea of "appropriate content", is that you use the block feature to weed out those individuals that do not meet your standards for posting, or just keep scrolling instead of wasting the time to read material for which you have little use. Of course that is just one person's perspective.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;2041864]Why someone who participates on a somewhat public forum, would suggest to others that their contributions are not important or welcome. It seems a little bit elitist to me that someone else should decide for me what is "interesting" or of value. While I may agree that some posts may not by definition completely fall in line with the title of the forum, many times I have found useful nuggets embedded in posts that are otherwise of little interests to me. I know and agree that all posts should adhere to the TOS for this forum and the forum owner has given guidelines of what is acceptable and not acceptable. I would also like to offer an alternative to trying to suggest that the forum be censored to fit your (or anyone else's) idea of "appropriate content", is that you use the block feature to weed out those individuals that do not meet your standards for posting, or just keep scrolling instead of wasting the time to read material for which you have little use. Of course that is just one person's perspective.[/QUOTE]Have you not heard of the quote feature?

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2041784]Why someone who participates on a somewhat public forum, would suggest to others that their contributions are not important or welcome. It seems a little bit elitist to me that someone else should decide for me what is "interesting" or of value. While I may agree that some posts may not by definition completely fall in line with the title of the forum, many times I have found useful nuggets embedded in posts that are otherwise of little interests to me. I know and agree that all posts should adhere to the TOS for this forum and the forum owner has given guidelines of what is acceptable and not acceptable. I would also like to offer an alternative to trying to suggest that the forum be censored to fit your (or anyone else's) idea of "appropriate content", is that you use the block feature to weed out those individuals that do not meet your standards for posting, or just keep scrolling instead of wasting the time to read material for which you have little use. Of course that is just one person's perspective.

Sky.[/QUOTE]While The Administrator or Jackson not sure which is which have the right to edit what appears on the forum I'm totally opposed to censorship anywhere anytime. Just as you have the right to comment on my post I feel I have the right to make a general observation on the content on the forum. You may feel different that's fine and I may well be in a minority in my opinions but I have that right. I only recently logged on to ISG after a long absence, when I did I got the impression the forum had become a platform for some members to endlessly talk about themselves, what they eat what they drink what kind of girls they like what time they get up which would be fine if it was just the once but on and on over and over again. I don't remember it like that before, maybe I'm turning into a grumpy old fart.

P.S. Sorry about the cockup earlier.

[QUOTE=InterTravel224;2041261]
I have taken up a hotel in the Pratunam area, which is the shopping district. Can anyone suggest any places around their to start off.

Also would value an oppt to meet senior members and monger together.

Thanks,

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Pratuu Naam is not a prime mongering area, however there are Soapies in the area. Chao Praya 2 was my favourite Soapy 15 years ago but has declined badly and I have not visited for quite a while. Avoid J One and Cupidy as known rip off places. I used to stay at Century Park Hotel many years ago.

PratuNam is renowned for traffic jams. Be careful a few Hotels may not be girl friendly such as Bangkok Palace a family Hotel.

There is also Venus, Plaza (Makkasan), Aqua, and Petchaburi Soapies not too far away, if they are all still going strong.

You can catch the BTS to Sukhumvit places. Taxi could be real slow unless late at night. Motorcycle to the BTS.

I am not so active in the mongering scene. Matter of fact, my action happened nearly after 2 years.

From Pratunam to Tulip was quite eventful. First decided to take the bus but then was guided to take the metro which to be reached nearly took me 1/2 hour. Pratunam is bad in terms of bts and can get confusing.

Coming back to the tulips report. Was easy to find the place. Immediately was asked by the man at counter if I wanted to go FR a sexy massage which would cost 1900 bath FR 1 hour, I readily agreed and payed upfront. He asked me to choose among the 8-10 gals sitting.

All the gals were close to there late 30's / 40. I am more into younger women but had no choice. Had a thought of leaving but wanted to get some action done. Went FR Vy (view) very sweet and cute face, but has fat on her belly which is noticeable when she gets nude. Probably this would be same FR other women as well.

With absolutely no action FR such a long time, the first pop came very fast. Bit second one took a while. She did a decent job FR massage and was in no hurray. With less experience under my belt, I dint perform that well, but was a good experience overall.

Special thanks to our senior members Synergizes and Avitor12 FR responding to my initial post. Guys do recommend me any other clubs, I know there tons of info available. But really value our senior members perspective.

Thanks FR being a guiding motivation to this young chap!

Is this a new thing or so? FR FR FR? What's wrong with FOR?

[QUOTE=InterTravel224;2041955]I am not so active in the mongering scene. Matter of fact, my action happened nearly after 2 years.

From Pratunam to Tulip was quite eventful. First decided to take the bus but then was guided to take the metro which to be reached nearly took me 1/2 hour. Pratunam is bad in terms of bts and can get confusing.

Coming back to the tulips report. Was easy to find the place. Immediately was asked by the man at counter if I wanted to go FR a sexy massage which would cost 1900 bath FR 1 hour, I readily agreed and payed upfront. He asked me to choose among the 8-10 gals sitting.

All the gals were close to there late 30's / 40. I am more into younger women but had no choice. Had a thought of leaving but wanted to get some action done. Went FR Vy (view) very sweet and cute face, but has fat on her belly which is noticeable when she gets nude. Probably this would be same FR other women as well.

With absolutely no action FR such a long time, the first pop came very fast. Bit second one took a while. She did a decent job FR massage and was in no hurray. With less experience under my belt, I dint perform that well, but was a good experience overall.

Special thanks to our senior members Synergizes and Avitor12 FR responding to my initial post. Guys do recommend me any other clubs, I know there tons of info available. But really value our senior members perspective.

Thanks FR being a guiding motivation to this young chap![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2041799]Oh give your head a shake man. The whole street from beginning to end where the bars are are filled with Go Go bars, massage shops, and Kareoke bars. It is simply one of the areas in Bangkok catering to the locals and for someone to think because it's not Sukhumvit then it does not count is ridiculous. Ok so should not post about Ratchada, G Clubs, Rama 9, RCA, or anywhere. Only Sukhumvit is considered Bangkok.

Ridiculous post![/QUOTE]I would suggest Dog you set up a PR agency with the club owners of Saphan Khwai as your first client. I for one will check this place out and seems lots of others are of the same mind. I am not sure if it ever becomes a regular venue for "farangs" but you have started something here.

[QUOTE=InterTravel224;2041955]
Thanks FR being a guiding motivation to this young chap![/QUOTE]Just one tip. You are supposed to use proper English here, as best you can. "FR" does not quite work. Seems you meant to write "for" but were too lazy to ad the "o" in the middle.

This must be my 5th trip coming into bkk.

As usual stayed at holiday inn express soi 11 used up my IHG points for this stay. Checked in around 3 coming in from Pattaya. Took a nap. Got up at 6 took a shower hopped into the 7/11 next door for a couple of essentials. Had official calls from 8 - 10 finished all that and started mongering.

Started off with the usual a beer at Nana on the lower courtyard. Lots of good looking chicks around. Finished off my beer came out the compound went to cowboy.

Started off with Baccara which usually does not allow People of my skin inside unless and until a drink is bought from the outside and taken in. I paid for 4 drinks asked them to send it upstairs tipped the doorman a 100. Lots of difference in service and attitude after that. Guess Its not about the colour of my skin its about the colour in my wallet. LOL.

Anyhow went upstairs sat in the corner the t** Dance was going on. Talent was not that good for the first 20 minutes or so. Then when the shift changed a cute chick with ample bosom appeared. Very cute with a tight ass, Immediately beckoned her over she finished her set and joined me her name was SAI / Soyee Not sure anyhow 600 for BF and 2 K LT was her rate. The night was still young pretty early to get bogged down. I told her I will be sitting here for the next hour or until I finish the drinks I have already purchased, Bought her some 3 LDs to keep me company. She was grinding me. Took my fingers and guided me into her pussy which was fun. She said that she had to go as it was her turn on the floor. I said OK. By then a friend caught up with me and we had to leave.

From Baccara we went to Shock 39 which was full of Indian punters. Played a game of pool with my friend scoped the talent nothing caught my fancy. Had some drinks and left the place. Came to a disc opposite grace hotel amazing hummus with pita. They have a dance floor inside with some arabian music running Fancied a girl near the bar her name was meena short with glasses just the perfect finish to my nerdy fantasy. Bought her a drink. She was find to talk to very informative and with the right sense of humour throughout. I told her about my hotel nearby and asked her if she would like to come, she said ok while walking towards the room she said she normally charges 100 USD for a LT. I stopped in my tracks threw her a good look and told her "honey if your service s good I pay 100 $ don't worry." She said no she wants it upfront, After having a similar experience where paying the lady before LT made her leave almost immediately after the deed. I declined I told her I will pay her but only after. If She is ok we will go else I am sorry. She declined. I paid her 200 b for her taxi bid her bye.

Just thinking was there a better way of handling this. Seniors any pointers.

Making a trip to China July 14 -20 via bkk will be in bkk from 21 -24.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2042203]Just one tip. You are supposed to use proper English here, as best you can. "FR" does not quite work. Seems you meant to write "for" but were too lazy to ad the "o" in the middle.[/QUOTE]Surely. I will take care. It was not laziness but probably just typo. But ya, I will use full words. Thank you for bringing it to my notice!

Hello all,

This is my first trip to Bangkok and I am going to be staying for a week in July. I live in Korea but have never gotten the chance to get to Thailand for some reason.

Now, there so much info on here, it's hard to sift through, since Thailand in general seems like such an awesome place for play.

However, for a first time, I was wondering does it pay to get a nicer hotel to bring ladies back to for the night? Or is it more preferable to just do only in-call at massage places? Both seem to have their good points. But just from what I have seen, the girls at bars appear to run the scale from fugly to absolutely stunning- and the websites for massage places appear to be more "average" and the prices a bit higher. This may be completely just an outsider's view though. Is it worth it to get a smaller or dingier place (even a hostel?) and then splurge on incall places? Or is the convenience of a hotel something that is going to come in handy when I can't control myself late at the bars? Haha.

Thanks.

I've just splashed on some Tom Ford polished the Berluti's and checked the amount of Baht. I would love to know how much you guys take when venturing out. I take between 8 and 10 k, if more and I have a little too much grape or grain it can quickly vanish but less I feel limits my choices.

[QUOTE=Kalamarlau;2041084]I will be next month in Bangkok. Where I can meet Russian freelancer?

Are Russians do kinky?[/QUOTE]As many have rightly advised on this forum, finding a 'true' Russian FL in BKK can be a challenge as most online options are likely to be bait and switch joints coupled with poor service and when it comes to clubs, most freelancers would be from CIS countries. IMHO, BKK is not the best place when it comes to finding good and genuine talent from Eastern Europe / Russia.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2042214]
Just thinking was there a better way of handling this. Seniors any pointers.
[/QUOTE]A tough one. Girls have been burned before by guys failing to pay the agreed amount, certain countries possibly have worse reputation. Guys have been burned by girls failing to deliver what they are supposed to after getting the money already.

I have met bar girls admitting to having done a runner when an opportunity arose (but not with me).

I always start with ST till an element of trust develops. However I have never paid a girl in advance at my Hotel. I don't take LTs with unknown girls. They can turn into a dick scared star fish very rapidly.

It pays to monger in a place where you have developed a good reputation, such as bars.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2042214]

Just thinking was there a better way of handling this. Seniors any pointers.

[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your bad experience.


I've had girls ask me to pay before but they have always agreed to pay later after I politely refused and reassured them I'd pay. The last one was amazing GFE and I extended our encounter to LT.

I'v e heard that some mongers have dealt with this situation by taking out the money and putting it on the nightstand in full view and telling her she will get it later. But I've never tried that.

I am inclined to think that if she does not relent to be paid later that she really doesn't want to be there anyway. SO I think you probably did the right thing.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2042263]I've just splashed on some Tom Ford polished the Berluti's and checked the amount of Baht. I would love to know how much you guys take when venturing out. I take between 8 and 10 k, if more and I have a little too much grape or grain it can quickly vanish but less I feel limits my choices.[/QUOTE]Sounds about right. I usually never spend half that. But it's nice to know you have the cash in hand if some crazy opportunity presents itself.

[QUOTE=Ready81;2042248]Hello all,

This is my first trip to Bangkok and I am going to be staying for a week in July. I live in Korea but have never gotten the chance to get to Thailand for some reason.

Now, there so much info on here, it's hard to sift through, since Thailand in general seems like such an awesome place for play.

However, for a first time, I was wondering does it pay to get a nicer hotel to bring ladies back to for the night? Or is it more preferable to just do only in-call at massage places? Both seem to have their good points. But just from what I have seen, the girls at bars appear to run the scale from fugly to absolutely stunning- and the websites for massage places appear to be more "average" and the prices a bit higher. This may be completely just an outsider's view though. Is it worth it to get a smaller or dingier place (even a hostel?) and then splurge on incall places? Or is the convenience of a hotel something that is going to come in handy when I can't control myself late at the bars? Haha.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Don't pay more than 1200/ baht a night for a hotel, maybe a little more is ok but 1200 is decent value if you are looking for that. Then just stay at whatever hotel is to your liking. They come from really poor places, you cannot possibly get a bad hotel for their tastes. You should see the houses they live in!

The gogos in Bangkok are kind of expensive really, massage shops offer best value easily. But you have to walk more in the daytime.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2042334]Don't pay more than 1200/ baht a night for a hotel, maybe a little more is ok but 1200 is decent value if you are looking for that. [/QUOTE]I haven't stayed at a hotel that cheap in Bangkok in many years. I think the last time was when Majestic Suites first opened back in the mid to early 2000's. But Majestic Suites is not that cheap anymore. Which hotel that is decent charges only 1200 baht a night now?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2042340]I haven't stayed at a hotel that cheap in Bangkok in many years. I think the last time was when Majestic Suites first opened back in the mid to early 2000's. But Majestic Suites is not that cheap anymore. Which hotel that is decent charges only 1200 baht a night now?[/QUOTE]Paradiso, it's equidistant (and close enough) from Soi cowboy and nana. And very close to thermae and somewhat close to Soi 11 (well climax is closed now but levels is still down the road further).

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2042357]Paradiso, it's equidistant (and close enough) from Soi cowboy and nana. And very close to thermae and somewhat close to Soi 11 (well climax is closed now but levels is still down the road further).[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll check it out.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2042214]Very cute with a tight ass, Immediately beckoned her over she finished her set and joined me her name was SAI / Soyee Not sure anyhow 600 for BF and 2 K LT was her rate.[/QUOTE]Really? Only 2000 baht for LT? Are you sure?

I haven't heard that low an LT quote for a Baccara girl in ages. Can anyone confirm?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2042483]Really? Only 2000 baht for LT? Are you sure?

I haven't heard that low an LT quote for a Baccara girl in ages. Can anyone confirm?[/QUOTE]We can suspect a typo or misremember there. ROFLMAO. Of course zero confirmations there. It is not easy to get ST for 2K, especially in Bacarra one would suspect.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2042214]They have a dance floor inside with some arabian music running Fancied a girl near the bar her name was meena short with glasses just the perfect finish to my nerdy fantasy. Bought her a drink. She was find to talk to very informative and with the right sense of humour throughout. I told her about my hotel nearby and asked her if she would like to come, she said ok while walking towards the room she said she normally charges 100 USD for a LT. I stopped in my tracks threw her a good look and told her "honey if your service s good I pay 100 $ don't worry." She said no she wants it upfront, After having a similar experience where paying the lady before LT made her leave almost immediately after the deed. I declined I told her I will pay her but only after. If She is ok we will go else I am sorry. She declined. I paid her 200 b for her taxi bid her bye.

Just thinking was there a better way of handling this. Seniors any pointers.[/QUOTE]3000-3500 LT is a fairly standard median price in BKK for bar FLers so if she was a true hottie than that's actually a good price. So as far as pointers, I suggest you get a better handle on the going rates because in this case, scoffing at the price (+ 'people of your skin') probably made her feel like you were going to stiff her on the rate which is why she demanded payment up front. If you want to go the whole 'pay purely based on performance' with FLers you better off just avoiding the discussion of money all together and act dumb after the fact. You will open yourself up to a potentially irate lady and drama that may not be worth the experience but if your only goal is to get off with a hot women and not pay her going rate than that's a risk you'll have to take.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2042334]Don't pay more than 1200/ baht a night for a hotel, maybe a little more is ok but 1200 is decent value if you are looking for that. Then just stay at whatever hotel is to your liking. They come from really poor places, you cannot possibly get a bad hotel for their tastes. You should see the houses they live in!

The gogos in Bangkok are kind of expensive really, massage shops offer best value easily. But you have to walk more in the daytime.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply.

I know you are right about the quality of the hotels vs. The girls' expectations. These girls aren't going to complain. But I just wonder if I am missing much by booking a hostel instead of a hotel (some of the hostels in Bangkok look pretty cosy and cheap). But your advice about expensive go-go's sort of pushes me towards just going with a nicer hostel. Unless the go-go experience is a lot better, I might try my luck with just in-call shops.

Then again, the possibility of threesomes might push me back over towards go-gos. Ah, decisions, decisions.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2042483]Really? Only 2000 baht for LT? Are you sure?

I haven't heard that low an LT quote for a Baccara girl in ages. Can anyone confirm?[/QUOTE]Maybe that rate is "basement mongering rate".

I know an awesome place in panyu, Guanzhou. Was the most "shocking" experience of my life. Since you mentioned you we're going to China. Thought I do share he good place with you. If you need the address PM.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2042214]This must be my 5th trip coming into bkk.

As usual stayed at holiday inn express Soi 11 used up my IHG points for this stay. Checked in around 3 coming in from Pattaya. Took a nap. Got up at 6 took a shower hopped into the 7/11 next door for a couple of essentials. Had official calls from 8 - 10 finished all that and started mongering.

Started off with the usual a beer at Nana on the lower courtyard. Lots of good looking chicks around. Finished off my beer came out the compound went to cowboy.

Started off with Baccara which usually does not allow People of my skin inside unless and until a drink is bought from the outside and taken in. I paid for 4 drinks asked them to send it upstairs tipped the doorman a 100. Lots of difference in service and attitude after that. Guess Its not about the colour of my skin its about the colour in my wallet. LOL.

Anyhow went upstairs sat in the corner the t** Dance was going on. Talent was not that good for the first 20 minutes or so. Then when the shift changed a cute chick with ample bosom appeared. Very cute with a tight ass, Immediately beckoned her over she finished her set and joined me her name was SAI / Soyee Not sure anyhow 600 for BF and 2 K LT was her rate. The night was still young pretty early to get bogged down. I told her I will be sitting here for the next hour or until I finish the drinks I have already purchased, Bought her some 3 LDs to keep me company..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ready81;2042248]Hello all,

This is my first trip to Bangkok and I am going to be staying for a week in July. I live in Korea but have never gotten the chance to get to Thailand for some reason.

Now, there so much info on here, it's hard to sift through, since Thailand in general seems like such an awesome place for play.

However, for a first time, I was wondering does it pay to get a nicer hotel to bring ladies back to for the night? Or is it more preferable to just do only in-call at massage places? Both seem to have their good points. But just from what I have seen, the girls at bars appear to run the scale from fugly to absolutely stunning- and the websites for massage places appear to be more "average" and the prices a bit higher. This may be completely just an outsider's view though. Is it worth it to get a smaller or dingier place (even a hostel?) and then splurge on incall places? Or is the convenience of a hotel something that is going to come in handy when I can't control myself late at the bars? Haha.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Assuming you mean barfining ladies, it doesn't matter to them much where you stay. But, depending on your budget, nicer hotels are worth it to me, assuming they are girl friendly.

Depending on your libido, you should try MP places during the day. I prefer MPs to barfining ladies from the bar.

But one part of your post bothers me. If it is your first trip and you care about your first trip, do your homework. You don't want to show up not knowing where to go or how to avoid the common pitfalls newbies often fall into.

[QUOTE=Ready81;2042592]Thanks for the reply.

I know you are right about the quality of the hotels vs. The girls' expectations. These girls aren't going to complain. But I just wonder if I am missing much by booking a hostel instead of a hotel (some of the hostels in Bangkok look pretty cosy and cheap). But your advice about expensive go-go's sort of pushes me towards just going with a nicer hostel. Unless the go-go experience is a lot better, I might try my luck with just in-call shops.

Then again, the possibility of threesomes might push me back over towards go-gos. Ah, decisions, decisions.[/QUOTE]Quality of the hotels vs. Expectations on price is accurate. Once picked up a FL from MIXX and decided on 3000 LT. As soon as she realized my room was simply across the street at the Grand Hyatt (6-7 k Baht per night), she admitted in a non-angry way that she would have asked for 5 k if she knew I was staying there.

That being said, I also think GFE performance is much better at nicer hotels. The amenities are better, the girls are more comfortable, naturally feel safer, and have more confidence you aren't going to stiff them. Who doesn't like staying in a nice hotel room? Probably the same with a normal girl- imagine bringing a date back to a sub-par apartment / house was vs. Really nice bachelor pad.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2042340]I haven't stayed at a hotel that cheap in Bangkok in many years. I think the last time was when Majestic Suites first opened back in the mid to early 2000's. But Majestic Suites is not that cheap anymore. Which hotel that is decent charges only 1200 baht a night now?[/QUOTE]There's several decent places in that price range. Usually the best are smaller boutique hotels. Just do an Agoda search and there are tons of great options in that price range. Especially during rainy season.

Can anyone say what optik quality is like in low season?

Is it a buyers market? Do we want what's available.

Or is it the unwanted fruit?

Do the stunners steal the few mongers or do they leave until high season?

[QUOTE=Ready81;2042592]... But I just wonder if I am missing much by booking a hostel instead of a hotel (some of the hostels in Bangkok look pretty cosy and cheap).[/QUOTE]I've only stayed in 2 hotels along Sukhumvit. The first was a single night in a 1,000 baht hotel; it was terrible (sorry, I forgot the name). Second, was about 1,700 baht and it was pretty decent (tower wing at Ambassador on Soi 11). I was quite happy there. Later I read that Dynasty Grande near Nana Plaza is much nicer, and that runs about 2,200 baht.

So, between a terrible place and a very nice place the difference is just 1,200 baht. Depending on your financial situation, that might not be much difference for your personal comfort. I will never again stay at a place lesser than the tower wing at Ambassador.

Now that it's low season, is Thermae still only for Japanese / Korean?

If yes, do the girls ever get more desperate for customers there, besides when it's closing time?

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2042839]There's several decent places in that price range. Usually the best are smaller boutique hotels. Just do an Agoda search and there are tons of great options in that price range. Especially during rainy season.[/QUOTE]Miami Hotel at Sukhumvit Soi 13 is 1200 baht. Old school (GI) but very clean and guest friendly in a good location, nice pool as well.

All this hotel talk should be in the Bangkok Hotels thread. That way people looking for hotel information in the future can find it. And it clutters up and distracts from the usual Bangkok forum posts regarding ladies noses, personal musings, and the ever present 'correcting' the opinion of other ISG members.

That said: any referencing of hotel prices in Thailand should include whether the price quoted is ++ or net, as the 20% difference between the two is significant to the discussion.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2042927]All this hotel talk should be in the Bangkok Hotels thread. That way people looking for hotel information in the future can find it. And it clutters up and distracts from the usual Bangkok forum posts regarding ladies noses, personal musings, and the ever present 'correcting' the opinion of other ISG members.

That said: any referencing of hotel prices in Thailand should include whether the price quoted is ++ or net, as the 20% difference between the two is significant to the discussion.

SL.[/QUOTE]Don't waste your breath. I have mentioned this many times but nobody cares. There is really no excuse for it because the Thailand forum has the most categories out of all the other locations. The problem is people don't RTFF. Anyways about this 20% nonsense. I've always booked my hotels on booking dot com and have never been quoted at price before tax. The price is always after tax, the exact total amount I pay them when arriving. Strange you would mention that.

I had another visit to Crazy House last night, heaving with a higher percentage of Japanese / Korean than I remember. I got to say I got totally pissed off with the too too heavy hustle. I know the order takers well and always look after them when leaving but this time the persistent hustle to buy then tequilas just got on my wick. I said to the woman who brought me the beer that I would tip her a 100 when I was leaving but would give her nothing if she kept asking me for tequila. I was OK until another came out of nowhere asked me who I wanted from the stage and after picking "film" no 159 if I remember correctly she also wanted tequila. I thought what the fu*k, normally it's the chics who hustle for drinks but at CH the waitresses if you can call them that are twice as much in your face. I asked "film" who claimed she was a uni student studying interior design what she wanted to drink, yes you guessed it the double up tequila and coke scam. I bought her three tequilas because she was a little shy and I am a true believer in a couple of shots being a great leg opener. I realized she lacked a few ingredients to reach my normal spec and taste threshold but her personality and style were above what I normally encounter in bars so off we went. I gave her a good time which she more than appreciated and returned enthusiastically. I considered it a successful evening but please CH ease up on the hustle its getting too much.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2042498]We can suspect a typo or misremember there. ROFLMAO. Of course zero confirmations there. It is not easy to get ST for 2K, especially in Bacarra one would suspect.[/QUOTE]You are right Syzy. 2K for LT is impossible in any gogo. It is difficult to get ST for 2 K at Bacarra forget about LT. LT would be around 4 K. You could be lucky to pick a girl for 3 K LT if the girl is desperate and its closing time. Atleast that has been my experience in Bacarra. Last year a real hottie asked me 3. 5 K for ST. Finally settled for 3 K.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2043069]You are right Syzy. 2K for LT is impossible in any gogo. It is difficult to get ST for 2 K at Bacarra forget about LT. LT would be around 4 K. You could be lucky to pick a girl for 3 K LT if the girl is desperate and its closing time. Atleast that has been my experience in Bacarra. Last year a real hottie asked me 3. 5 K for ST. Finally settled for 3 K.[/QUOTE]On a recent trip to Baccara early on a Friday night, I picked out a stunner and after buying her an LD indicated her price was 8 k LT. Thought that was incredibly steep but decided so splurge and agreed. Even after I said yes to 8 k, she actually thought about it for 5 minutes and ultimately declined to wait for Japanese customers. Maybe thought she could make more?

I assume the girls on the 2nd / 3rd floors who are considered the be-team, are significantly cheaper.

Today after having a non action at Club 107, I decided to check Sow Coi. Each and every club gal was wanted 5K bath + bar fine. Very ridiculous pricing.

Even at 1.00 AM they were not ready to bring down their pricing. It wasn't that busy, wondering what's changing.

[QUOTE=NRock;2043085]On a recent trip to Baccara early on a Friday night, I picked out a stunner and after buying her an LD indicated her price was 8 k LT. Thought that was incredibly steep but decided so splurge and agreed. Even after I said yes to 8 k, she actually thought about it for 5 minutes and ultimately declined to wait for Japanese customers. Maybe thought she could make more?

I assume the girls on the 2nd / 3rd floors who are considered the be-team, are significantly cheaper.[/QUOTE]Sometimes the ladies will throw out a huge number like this in the hopes that it will discourage you to not take them LT. They may do this for a couple of reasons. Firstly, because they may get more money doing STs. Secondly, they just don't want to go.

[QUOTE=InterTravel224;2043097]Today after having a non action at Club 107, I decided to check Sow Coi. Each and every club gal was wanted 5K bath + bar fine. Very ridiculous pricing.

Even at 1.00 AM they were not ready to bring down their pricing. It wasn't that busy, wondering what's changing.[/QUOTE]They either thought you are rich and they could squeeze a few more bahts from you or they are not interested in you so they ask for high amount to discourage you.

[QUOTE=InterTravel224;2043097]Today after having a non action at Club 107, I decided to check Sow Coi. Each and every club gal was wanted 5K bath + bar fine. Very ridiculous pricing.

Even at 1.00 AM they were not ready to bring down their pricing. It wasn't that busy, wondering what's changing.[/QUOTE]A few questions for clarification:

- Was their asking price of 5 K baht + barfine for LT or for ST?
- Did you counter with 3-4 K and they did not budge or did you just walk away with no counter offer after they said 5 K?
- Are you mostly talking about the Coyotes who line up outside of the Soi Cowboy bars or was that same price quoted for the real go-go girls working on the stage inside the bars, too?

If the opening quote of 5K + barfine was for LT at 1AM and coming from the Coyotes that line up outside the Soi Cowboy bars, then not much has changed at all over the past couple of years. That would be fairly normal opening quotes from some of those girls, if they quote any price at all. Actually, if all of those Coyote girls were quoting at least SOME amount of baht to take them for LT at 1AM then that speaks to how slow business is these days and in need of money they are in that they are at least willing to go with a customer for sex at all.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=NRock;2043085]On a recent trip to Baccara early on a Friday night, I picked out a stunner and after buying her an LD indicated her price was 8 k LT. Thought that was incredibly steep but decided so splurge and agreed. Even after I said yes to 8 k, she actually thought about it for 5 minutes and ultimately declined to wait for Japanese customers. Maybe thought she could make more?

I assume the girls on the 2nd / 3rd floors who are considered the be-team, are significantly cheaper.[/QUOTE]I have never had a Baccara girl ask for that much. 8 K? That's crazy money. Maybe you misheard what she said or maybe her English wasn't very good and she misspoke. Or are you in the Indian, Arabic, or Black guy category?

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2043069]You are right Syzy. 2K for LT is impossible in any gogo. It is difficult to get ST for 2 K at Bacarra forget about LT. LT would be around 4 K. You could be lucky to pick a girl for 3 K LT if the girl is desperate and its closing time. Atleast that has been my experience in Bacarra. Last year a real hottie asked me 3.5 K for ST. Finally settled for 3 K.[/QUOTE]I don't think that its impossible and I think that given the right circumstances, 2 k LT can and does happen but rarely. There are still some ladies who play the long game and if they see a potential sponsorship in the making or if they just don't feel like being in the bar that night they can price themselves to the right customer. The young guys who are in town to party will have the best chance at this especially if they are to a certain spec for the lady.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2043220]I have never had a Baccara girl ask for that much. 8 K? That's crazy money. Maybe you misheard what she said or maybe her English wasn't very good and she misspoke. Or are you in the Indian, Arabic, or Black guy category?[/QUOTE]It was not a misunderstanding. She said 8 k which did not even include the barfine (as you might imagine I made sure I heard correctly). Nope, I'm a reasonably attractive young Asian so it is frankly a shocker on both the price and decline. This was around 8 pm on a Friday night so maybe she thought she could make more doing two STs or had a high-roller regular coming in. To be fair, she was incredibly beautiful and I would have been willing to pay 8 k. Don't begrudge her at all because she should be trying to make as money as possible as quickly as possible. The point on time and day of the week is important because I was in Baccara that prior Tuesday and was hearing prices closer to 5 k for LT.

Luckily this is Bangkok so you don't take it personally and move on the next minute. Ended up spreading the 8 k on drinks at Nana where I barfined a girl at BillBoard ST + later a FL from MIXX later in the evening.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2043220]I have never had a Baccara girl ask for that much. 8 K? That's crazy money. Maybe you misheard what she said or maybe her English wasn't very good and she misspoke. Or are you in the Indian, Arabic, or Black guy category?[/QUOTE]I'm a black guy and I've never been quoted that much by a Baccara girl. Hell 6 K is the most I've ever been quoted.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2042263]I would love to know how much you guys take when venturing out. I take between 8 and 10 k, if more and I have a little too much grape or grain it can quickly vanish but less I feel limits my choices.[/QUOTE]I have found 10-12 K THB to be sufficient for an evening out in almost all the cases and this would also include drinks and food in moderation. Although, I have to say that if a person were to splurge on expensive drinks etc. Then this amount would seem paltry.

[QUOTE=CoolDudeB;2042679]I know an awesome place in panyu, Guanzhou. Was the most "shocking" experience of my life. Since you mentioned you we're going to China. Thought I do share he good place with you. If you need the address PM.[/QUOTE]China is only work no mongering. Have reserved all the mongering for Thailand.

Thanks for the offer buddy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2042315]A tough one. Girls have been burned before by guys failing to pay the agreed amount, certain countries possibly have worse reputation. Guys have been burned by girls failing to deliver what they are supposed to after getting the money already.

I have met bar girls admitting to having done a runner when an opportunity arose (but not with me).

I always start with ST till an element of trust develops. However I have never paid a girl in advance at my Hotel. I don't take LTs with unknown girls. They can turn into a dick scared star fish very rapidly.

It pays to monger in a place where you have developed a good reputation, such as bars.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you. But I usually stay only for a maximum of 4 days in BKK out of which 2 nights am on duty with my business partners. How do I build a reputation in such a short time. Anyhow have taken some line ids lets see how that works out now.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2042500]3000-3500 LT is a fairly standard median price in BKK for bar FLers so if she was a true hottie than that's actually a good price. So as far as pointers, I suggest you get a better handle on the going rates because in this case, scoffing at the price (+ 'people of your skin') probably made her feel like you were going to stiff her on the rate which is why she demanded payment up front. If you want to go the whole 'pay purely based on performance' with FLers you better off just avoiding the discussion of money all together and act dumb after the fact. You will open yourself up to a potentially irate lady and drama that may not be worth the experience but if your only goal is to get off with a hot women and not pay her going rate than that's a risk you'll have to take.[/QUOTE]I never scoffed at the price. I have paid 5 k to a FL off Tonys disco in Pattaya and still felt that I paid less. It was the way the money was asked coupled with the fact that I was just recently bitten which made me think.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2043220]I have never had a Baccara girl ask for that much. 8 K? That's crazy money. Maybe you misheard what she said or maybe her English wasn't very good and she misspoke. Or are you in the Indian, Arabic, or Black guy category?[/QUOTE]I doubt he misheard, and may have little to do with his nationality. It is quite possible he picked out one of the very top girls. A top girl in Bacarra could get three 30 minute ST Japanese customers on a good night like a Friday (for example) and make 9 K+ easily from that, so why on earth would she want to go for LT at all unless the price was very high? It is not a buyer's market when we talk about top most popular Baccarra girls.

Sure you might not want to meet her high offer, so crazy to you. I only have one regular LT girl, and she is way cheaper than that, plus a really excellent fuck guaranteed, so we have no reason to take these 8 K offers. However it could be a bargain for some guys previously paying to take an Escort all night.

I have to laugh when guys talk about 3 to 3. 5 K LTs. Sure it is possible somewhere, but top girls in the popular bars like Baccara are not going to be interested in that sort of money at all. They get 3 K easily for a very short ST booking. I don't condone. It may well be ridiculous, but it is reality. The best looking girls control the market prices.

I am well aware also that the girls do not all charge the same prices. There are fat uglies in Crazy House that do the shows, to try to get some money, and I am sure they would go much cheaper that the pretty girls with great bodies. I don't even know what they go for. It is not polite in Thailand to ask the price of something that you don't want to buy.

I had a girl from Twisters some time back that only priced herself at 2 K ST. However she was under peer pressure to try to get 3 K by peers that might not even be to her standard of looks, by my eye, which maybe very different to the Japanese customers. Some of the girls making 3 K look ugly to me. Just personal taste.

I could do LT with Oom, or Jane, my Crazy House girls, since I know them very very well now, but I would likely only want to do it for a price advantageous to both parties, and probably privately without the need to visit CH at all.

Personally I just don't believe in LT without knowing the girl real well, any more, and many girls are not even into LT at all really. It is so different to 25 years ago when most Cowboy gogo girls and Thermae girls always went for LT, and the price was like 500 for the night. Strangely I hardly met dick scared girls in those days. I guess almost all of the girls that I was meeting were well accustomed to Farangs. Very few Japanese in the customer competition.

I have taken Baccara girls all night for way less than 8K but was a few years ago now, and a girl that was all natural at the time (later got a tit job), so I don't remember what I paid, but I am sure it was at least 4K. Even back then, she told me that the top Bacarra girls do several STs per night and typically are not wanting any LTs. When she pointed out the top girls, I did not think they were pretty at all for my taste. Obviously Japanese Spec.

I am down to about 1 bar visit per week now, and hope to reduce it further. However I still have an addiction for sleek naked girls, with beautiful shaved pussy. Looking or having one bouncing around on my lap is still nice. Just touching the sleek naked flesh still works for me. I am not so much into pornstar services like some others, and take anal very rarely indeed.

The line up was quite reasonable, with one favourite Jun (rhymes with fun) present. No. 93 maybe? Has put on a little weight. Still slim but not Keira Knightly like skinny at the moment. She doesn't seem to weigh that much sitting on my lap. She is 27 and has a baby long ago but stretch marks are very minor indeed, pussy stunning and quite tight enough for me. She used to have farang BF so likes big cock. No danger of a dick scared starfish. Oom not present.

Other girls known were not that many: Noi (63), Boom (28), Uiy (tall skinny), Naen has returned (never tried her due to perhaps a bit much pussy hair but a nice and popular girl), Ice (highly painted and pierced. Also never tried). A couple of other unknown newer girls were to my spec but did not meet them yet. Plenty of non surgeries girls.

Strangely I bumped into Jane (No. 4) sitting outside the Seven11 store chatting to her friend (ex CH). Neither of them seemed to have worked so strange they met up so close to CH. If I had not done Jun already, I might have propositioned Jane. Even clothed, she appealed to me, since I know her body is nice despite flat chest.

If anyone is out for action tonight in sukhamit Sou Cowboy Nana areas, PM me and let's meet up and party.

So yes, this was my first trip to Soi cowboy. Should have gone there before during my this trip.

- they started quoting 10 k and then 5 k and were not ready to budge. Dint find it worth 5 k + barfine. Plus the hotel wasn't that gal friendly. Which sucked. Dint help to change my hotel.

- yes they were majority coyotes, who line up outside of the bars.

- went inside two of them, but dint like any gals. Surprisingly both dint have strip dances. Only gals on the stage dancing. But probably they were just the wrong places to head to!

- with fee guys and so many of them outside, it did seem that the business is slow. I am a newbie here, but the seniors are more better to predict hows the general scene going on.

- plus my general feeling was, going in a group or with a buddy is more easier. It's easy to talk it out and negotiate.

- I may also be wrong but being a south east Asian as well dint help much. 2 gals I liked dint even revert back after much coaxing.

Let's hope I can make my final night in BKK worth calling!

Phuket is next destination, any valuable advice is welcome.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2043205]A few questions for clarification:

- Was their asking price of 5 K baht + barfine for LT or for ST?
- Did you counter with 3-4 K and they did not budge or did you just walk away with no counter offer after they said 5 K?
- Are you mostly talking about the Coyotes who line up outside of the Soi Cowboy bars or was that same price quoted for the real go-go girls working on the stage inside the bars, too?

If the opening quote of 5K + barfine was for LT at 1AM and coming from the Coyotes that line up outside the Soi Cowboy bars, then not much has changed at all over the past couple of years. That would be fairly normal opening quotes from some of those girls, if they quote any price at all. Actually, if all of those Coyote girls were quoting at least SOME amount of baht to take them for LT at 1AM then that speaks to how slow business is these days and in need of money they are in that they are at least willing to go with a customer for sex at all.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NRock;2043085]On a recent trip to Baccara early on a Friday night, I picked out a stunner and after buying her an LD indicated her price was 8 k LT. Thought that was incredibly steep but decided so splurge and agreed. Even after I said yes to 8 k, she actually thought about it for 5 minutes and ultimately declined to wait for Japanese customers. Maybe thought she could make more?

I assume the girls on the 2nd / 3rd floors who are considered the be-team, are significantly cheaper.[/QUOTE]This is a girl's way of telling you she does not want to go with you for LT. She may have been perfectly willing to go for ST at 2-3 K but could not LT. She most definatly quoted that 8 K expecting you to say no. When hearing the yes, she did not know what to do. Most of these girls have Thai boyfriends or Japanese or western sponsors. If they go LT, they risk their money train drying up or their boufriend finding out about their job. Often the Thai boyfriends or Tom Boys know and restrict their ladies from LT. LT has the potential of producing feelings that may form into a relationship for the bar girl. If you don't believe me, I have a CH girl that won't leave me alone. She's on her way back to BKK now and wants to see me outside the bar. On the other hand, it could be because of your nationality and she may not have liked you.

As for the girls on the second floor, there are some stunners up their top and their prices are the same as the girls downstairs. If fact, their have naked bodies in their Thai school girl outfits, often bring more money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2043205]A few questions for clarification:

- Was their asking price of 5 K baht + barfine for LT or for ST?
- Did you counter with 3-4 K and they did not budge or did you just walk away with no counter offer after they said 5 K?
- Are you mostly talking about the Coyotes who line up outside of the Soi Cowboy bars or was that same price quoted for the real go-go girls working on the stage inside the bars, too?

If the opening quote of 5K + barfine was for LT at 1AM and coming from the Coyotes that line up outside the Soi Cowboy bars, then not much has changed at all over the past couple of years. That would be fairly normal opening quotes from some of those girls, if they quote any price at all. Actually, if all of those Coyote girls were quoting at least SOME amount of baht to take them for LT at 1AM then that speaks to how slow business is these days and in need of money they are in that they are at least willing to go with a customer for sex at all.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Nothing has changed. 5 K is often an opening quote for LT. The lady wants to make sure that if she goes out, she will get paid. Even at 1 AM using Asok place. The lady can do 2 STs and get 5-6 K out of that and she does not need to spend the night in your hotel. Even if the lady is not one of the coyotes workimg outside the bar, she will start with 5 K LT when quoting. What she gets is sometimes a different story.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2043365]This is a girl's way of telling you she does not want to go with you for LT. She may have been perfectly willing to go for ST at 2-3 K but could not LT. She most definatly quoted that 8 K expecting you to say no. When hearing the yes, she did not know what to do. Most of these girls have Thai boyfriends or Japanese or western sponsors. If they go LT, they risk their money train drying up or their boufriend finding out about their job. Often the Thai boyfriends or Tom Boys know and restrict their ladies from LT. LT has the potential of producing feelings that may form into a relationship for the bar girl. If you don't believe me, I have a CH girl that won't leave me alone. She's on her way back to BKK now and wants to see me outside the bar. On the other hand, it could be because of your nationality and she may not have liked you.

As for the girls on the second floor, there are some stunners up their top and their prices are the same as the girls downstairs. If fact, their have naked bodies in their Thai school girl outfits, often bring more money.[/QUOTE]You make some good points. I really think the most popular girls won't want to do LT at all. Just no incentive unless the money is ridiculously high. In the end they want to make a lot, and as easily as possible, even if they are permitted to do LT.

I doubt that top Bacarra girls will go for 2 K ST, however I don't know for sure as the "top" popular girls are never my taste. In Crazy House, I once saw my girl Oom go through a protracted negotiation of price with some Farang guy for well nigh of 30 minutes. I could not hear, but the girl was always motioning to go a bit higher. This was before I ever went with this girl myself, and she was rather young in the CH early days. I would have loved to hear what his top offer was, and what she went down to. I am suspecting he was offering like 1. 5 to 2 K and there was just no way she was going to accept that. I don't think the deal ever got done, that part is hazy in my memory but I rarely saw a negotiation go for such a long time and was occurring while she was dancing on the stage as well. I don't know about others, but I just can't be bothered, and such long negotiation would likely kill my mood. If a girl asks too much, I might state my maximum and if she doesn't take it or make a better offer, I would likely give it a miss myself.

[QUOTE=InterTravel224;2043097]Today after having a non action at Club 107, I decided to check Sow Coi. Each and every club gal was wanted 5K bath + bar fine. Very ridiculous pricing.

Even at 1.00 AM they were not ready to bring down their pricing. It wasn't that busy, wondering what's changing.[/QUOTE]When the business is slack they raise their prices. That is Thai business model for you. Ridiculous but it is a fact.

Hi gents,

I don't normally travel to LOS during the wet season so am quite stumped on how to find the FL outside of Gogo bars and clubs.

As I'm getting on in my years, would rather find a friend by 10 pm, ST, and be happily sleeping by midnight.

Long gone are the days when I enjoyed staying out till 5 am and getting plastered.

Currently staying on Suk Soi 13. Are all the massage girls readily brought back?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=BangForBuck;2043442]Hi gents,

I don't normally travel to LOS during the wet season so am quite stumped on how to find the FL outside of Gogo bars and clubs.

As I'm getting on in my years, would rather find a friend by 10 pm, ST, and be happily sleeping by midnight.

Long gone are the days when I enjoyed staying out till 5 am and getting plastered.

Currently staying on Suk Soi 13. Are all the massage girls readily brought back?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Mate, your questions are very weird. Freelancers don't stand outside the go go bars. What Massage ladies are you referring to that were gone? If it is freelancers you want and you are an old man, go to the beer garden on Soi 7. Go to Soi 4 and visit the Hillary bars or any of the other bars along there, if you want a massage near Soi 13, go to Soi 11 massage arcade. Hit up Thermae for a freelancer before midnight. Do a take out from an oily. Use [URL]smooci.com[/URL], pick up a freelancer from the Nana car park.

The go go bars are great places for the old guys. You can do a ST at 9 or 10 and be home by midnight. Really, what exactly are you looking for?

By the way, your post count of 1 and the way you talk, leads me to believe you are a long time poster but for some reason your account was banned. This is a weird request and such an obvious post from a banned member who has created a new account. You talk like you posted here many times. Anyways RTFF!

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2043437]When the business is slack they raise their prices. That is Thai business model for you. Ridiculous but it is a fact.[/QUOTE]You are so right on about that. Also in Bali with everything. I am a buyer for my business and they all raise the prices to make up for the shortage of business in all things as well as WG's. There are no sales in the skin business.

RL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2043390]
I doubt that top Bacarra girls will go for 2 K ST, however I don't know for sure as the "top" popular girls are never my taste. [/QUOTE]I would second that, unless she wouldn't appeal to any Japanese customer. In which case she probably wouldn't be working at Baccara anyhow. My limited experience with Baccara is that unless you're Japanese, the girls in there will hardly give you a second look. Talking to a girl there a year ago or so, she told me Japanese customers were easy money. ST could easily pay 5-6 K, and ST is in such case very very short, and she didn't need to deal with large farang dicks. In any case, I prefer to stick to the gogos that cater more to farangs, easier to get reasonable price and less chance of the girl putting on the Bambi in headlight stare when you pull out a good sized dick. And then only allow you to fuck her single inch deep missionary style.

[QUOTE=BangForBuck;2043442]Currently staying on Suk Soi 13. Are all the massage girls readily brought back?[/QUOTE]You can arrange an outcall from Snow White and Bamboo for 3000 baht / 2 hours. And most of the popular massage shops will accommodate outcall requests. Check out the ISG Bangkok Massage Parlors threads for further intel.

SL.

Guy,

I am new to ISG and first time poster in Thailand threads. I have been following the thread as I am planning my first Thailand trip as a single man.

I have read the forum but am still unsure what constitutes ST. Is the typically 1 shot wham bam type of session or could it be more in line with 2 hours / 2 hours.

Thank in advance and I hope to give some feedback soon.

Thanks for the advice so far, and I am enjoying reading the forum. Seems like there is a lot to learn.

One question that I have googled and didn't really like the vague answer I got was on threesomes. Seems these are pretty hard to arrange. (at least real girl on girl threesomes). It somehow seems paradoxical to me that in a place where pretty much anything is on the menu, this is the one thing that is out of bounds (but then again, it's my experience in other parts of Asia too). But is this really true? Is there any special strategy here other than being very lucky or arranging something with a girlfriend?

I was thinking from what I have read that maybe this is another place where the strength of in-call shops may prevail, but I have no idea.

Sorry for newbie, and thanks again.

I just had a slim girl at the short time hotel who looked a bit like Halle Berry who I hadn't seen before who had come onto me big time at Crazy Horse. I went back to the girlfriend who as you know is never that keen on having sex with me expecting to quickly nod off after my nightcap. I got into bed and next thing I knew she has her hand on my dick and said I'm horny darling. I had taken even longer than my normal 30 plus minutes to finish I was well knackered and I thought jeez can I get it up again. I have a beautiful girlfriend some of my regulars cannot believe I go with other girls when I show them her picture but as you know I love shagging and I just don't get enough at home. I have to say I had the best sex with my girlfriend that I can remember going back to when we first met. I don't know what came over her. I have a feeling if this continues I will disappoint my regulars when they don't see me around as much.

[QUOTE=PunterSea;2043568]Guy,

I am new to ISG and first time poster in Thailand threads. I have been following the thread as I am planning my first Thailand trip as a single man.

I have read the forum but am still unsure what constitutes ST. Is the typically 1 shot wham bam type of session or could it be more in line with 2 hours / 2 hours.

Thank in advance and I hope to give some feedback soon.[/QUOTE]The best answer I can give is it completely up to what's the lady and you agree on. Can 1 or 2 shots. Can be as little as 1 hour or up to 2 or 3 hours. For example Baccara girls doing ST at Asok place will want you finished as soon as possible. Wam bam thank you mam. Where others will be more casual and relaxed. Smooci girls for example will offer 2 hours and 2 shots. Nothing is written I stone. Tel, the lady what you want and for how long and she will quote her price. Simple and easy.

My advice to you is not to get caught up in all this LT / ST debate. Many of the seniors on this board will never even discuss price or LT / ST with the ladies. We will just have our sesssion with the lady and pay her what she deserves. The lady and us will play it by ear in the session. Could be LT or ST, depending on how things start off, our mood after, wanting a second shot or not. Many factors involved. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2043642]
My advice to you is not to get caught up in all this LT / ST debate. Many of the seniors on this board will never even discuss price or LT / ST with the ladies. We will just have our sesssion with the lady and pay her what she deserves. The lady and us will play it by ear in the session. Could be LT or ST, depending on how things start off, our mood after, wanting a second shot or not. Many factors involved. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Yes hardly ever got into a price negotiation. Most of my bar girls and freelancers are repeats. However even when I take new girls at least half of them do not mention the price, seeing that I am experienced, and not too stingy. Would be different if they don't trust the customer.

A girl from Angel Witch seemed very inexperienced, and was absolutely hopeless and resisting everything. I had said I could take her long time, if we had a good time. Did not even fuck her and no BJ. Her legs were cross locked at the ankles. LOL May have been a lesbian. No price was agreed, fortunately I could pay her what she deserved for her time. I actually over paid because did not have the right small notes. There were other obviously popular girls at Angel Witch, but shit luck can happen.

There are other regular girls that I don't pay exactly the same every time. Depends time, number of pops, how much effort she put in, etc. Girls are generally not expecting guys to pay different each time, but get used to it. They might see a correlation between their performance and how much they get.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2043488]Mate, your questions are very weird. Freelancers don't stand outside the go go bars. What Massage ladies are you referring to that were gone? If it is freelancers you want and you are an old man, go to the beer garden on Soi 7. Go to Soi 4 and visit the Hillary bars or any of the other bars along there, if you want a massage near Soi 13, go to Soi 11 massage arcade. Hit up Thermae for a freelancer before midnight. Do a take out from an oily. Use [URL]smooci.com[/URL], pick up a freelancer from the Nana car park.

The go go bars are great places for the old guys. You can do a ST at 9 or 10 and be home by midnight. Really, what exactly are you looking for?

By the way, your post count of 1 and the way you talk, leads me to believe you are a long time poster but for some reason your account was banned. This is a weird request and such an obvious post from a banned member who has created a new account. You talk like you posted here many times. Anyways RTFF![/QUOTE]Sorry about that, as it was getting late, I was too tired to proof-read so that's why it didn't make sense.

When I said outside of Gogo bars, I did not actually mean physically outside them.

What I meant was, where do the street FLs go when it is raining + early club closing due to the police crackdown. I'm not keen on going to the Gogo bars as they are very much a seller's market. Due to circumstances -paying child support and so forth. I have to be more frugal.

No, I was never banned, was just absent for many years due to the standard cycle of life. Marriage, children, divorce. Couldn't recover old account (password) because my old mongering yahoo email is long gone.

=the I'm not actually that old, just mentally drained from all the drama from my Aussie ex wife. Maybe after a few good fucks, I'll be my old self again.

A local friend recommended wechat but I'm not having much luck. So many ladyboys landmines!

I am known on the circuit to be generous and good in the sack but still I always agree the price beforehand except when the girl knows what to expect I. E. One of my regulars. I find if it's a first session the girl will invariably ask how much you pay me if she hasn't got a heads up from a coworker who knows my style. I had a bad experience recently in a rub and tug on Soi 18 where she locked the door and wouldn't let me out unless I gave her 1500 which I hadn't agreed to after she got undressed for a BJ. I wouldn't mind but she looked a wreck without her kit on. I took out the phone and dialed 1155 and she said OK you pay me 1000 and we went back upstairs and you what she gave a damn good CIM blow job and we parted on good terms. I find from talking to the girls about their experiences if the session does not go well it's usually due to a lack of communication with expectations not being met. I don't believe it when I read a girl who agrees to go with a customer refuses a straight forward no frills session when they get to the room unless the customer starts behaving like a dickhead nut job. I mean why should she, makes no sense and I think it's wrong and unfair when she gets stiffed by the same dickhead just because she doesn't deliver what he expects when it hasn't been agreed beforehand.

[QUOTE=Ready81;2043586]One question that I have googled and didn't really like the vague answer I got was on threesomes. Seems these are pretty hard to arrange. (at least real girl on girl threesomes). It somehow seems paradoxical to me that in a place where pretty much anything is on the menu, this is the one thing that is out of bounds (but then again, it's my experience in other parts of Asia too). But is this really true? Is there any special strategy here other than being very lucky or arranging something with a girlfriend?

I was thinking from what I have read that maybe this is another place where the strength of in-call shops may prevail, but I have no idea.[/QUOTE]Eden Club Suk soi 7/1 specializes in threesomes with PSE style action. You can tell them in advance what you are looking for. Some have said Eden can feel mechanical. I think of it more like checking boxes. A YMMV place but you won't know unless you give it a try.

There has been recent reports of some of the Tulip Massage ladies getting quite busy with each other during threesomes. Scan that ISG thread for further details.

The best chance at [I]real[/I] girl / girl interaction would be picking one, and allowing her to pick her partner. And don't be vague or feel embarrassed (LOL) be specific about what you are looking for; as the ladies are not mind readers, and they have heard it all before.

SL.

[QUOTE=Ready81;2043586]Thanks for the advice so far, and I am enjoying reading the forum. Seems like there is a lot to learn.

One question that I have googled and didn't really like the vague answer I got was on threesomes. Seems these are pretty hard to arrange. (at least real girl on girl threesomes). It somehow seems paradoxical to me that in a place where pretty much anything is on the menu, this is the one thing that is out of bounds (but then again, it's my experience in other parts of Asia too). But is this really true? Is there any special strategy here other than being very lucky or arranging something with a girlfriend?

I was thinking from what I have read that maybe this is another place where the strength of in-call shops may prevail, but I have no idea.

Sorry for newbie, and thanks again.[/QUOTE]This question has actually come up here many times. So my answer is pretty much the same as before.

I always had really excellent 3-somes in the past by choosing girls who do the lesbian shows at Suzi Wong, and making sure get two who like to work together. They used to expect me to always take two girls a few years back. I think all my favourites may well be gone now (not sure), but the principal still applies. Ask LB mamasan Taai for advice if necessary, about which girls are best girl on girl. Any other bars with really good Lesbian shows could work too.

Even had a 4-some on rare occasions. From Suzi W, I always managed to get a pretty good combination with mostly girls very well used to working together, molesting each other, licking pussy, etc. They knew how to give me extra pleasures as well. Could be a simple as one licking my balls while dick is in the other one's pussy, or DFK with 2 girl tongues in your mouth.

Be prepared to change condoms though in between fucking alternate girls, so probably is not good plan to keep changing which pussy your dick is in too frequently. Get extra width very easy on condoms like Durex Comfort.

Champion SW girls for 3-somes of the past were: Bo (real bi-sexual), Dtom, Ma, Knot, Naam. Others like Noi, Anne, Yao, Pat, were O.K. too. There would have been others not quite my spec.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2043743]This question has actually come up here many times. So my answer is pretty much the same as before.

I always had really excellent 3-somes in the past by choosing girls who do the lesbian shows at Suzi Wong, and making sure get two who like to work together. They used to expect me to always take two girls a few years back. I think all my favourites may well be gone now (not sure), but the principal still applies. Ask LB mamasan Taai for advice if necessary, about which girls are best girl on girl. Any other bars with really good Lesbian shows could work too.

Even had a 4-some on rare occasions. From Suzi W, I always managed to get a pretty good combination with mostly girls very well used to working together, molesting each other, licking pussy, etc. They knew how to give me extra pleasures as well. Could be a simple as one licking my balls while dick is in the other one's pussy, or DFK with 2 girl tongues in your mouth.

Be prepared to change condoms though in between fucking alternate girls, so probably is not good plan to keep changing which pussy your dick is in too frequently. Get extra width very easy on condoms like Durex Comfort.

Champion SW girls for 3-somes of the past were: Bo (real bi-sexual), Dtom, Ma, Knot, Naam. Others like Noi, Anne, Yao, Pat, were O.K. too. There would have been others not quite my spec.[/QUOTE]I think the greatest delight that the gods bequeathed to man is to be deeply tangling tongues with one fucklet, while another fucklet has your cock deep in her mouth. Heaven.

Wasn't sure where to ask this but do you need a prescription for Viagara / Sildenafil? How much does it run?

I got Eden Club Suk soi 7/1, Tulip Massage, Suzi Wong, change Durex Comforts often. Shall report back experiences next month. Thanks again! It's good to know it's not a totally uncommon thing.

To the fellow talking about Viagra, I read that you must get a prescription yes. There are fakes available, however. I am just stocking up before I go (just in case).

[QUOTE=BonusParts;2043937]Wasn't sure where to ask this but do you need a prescription for Viagara / Sildenafil? How much does it run?[/QUOTE]No script needed in Thailand in some Pharmacies (not the Krungthep 24 hour ones, not Boots). Generic Kamagra or Sidegra is quite cheap. Like 200 Baht for pack of 4 tablets, maybe? I forget the actual price.

Many times been asked. See the General Thread, I guess.

[QUOTE=Ready81;2043965]I got Eden Club Suk soi 7/1, Tulip Massage, Suzi Wong, change Durex Comforts often. Shall report back experiences next month. Thanks again! It's good to know it's not a totally uncommon thing.

To the fellow talking about Viagra, I read that you must get a prescription yes. There are fakes available, however. I am just stocking up before I go (just in case).[/QUOTE]False. If you go to one of the hospitals or pharmacies that's super "legit" then maybe. But 99% of the places you go here will just give it to you. Get it from here. Right next to Nana. [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Charoen[/URL]+Pharmacy / at 13.7421559,100.5504215,17 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x5 c15 e21 f1 f86 b496!8 m2!3 d13.7421559!4 d100.5526102.

I'm a little sad today. I just got a line message from one of my regulars who told me she is off to Dubai with a rich dude who has promised her she can make $10000 a month servicing high end clients that he will introduce her to. I hear you say she needs to be careful and that is also what I told her. I know her for about 2 years now, met her in Gulliver's while shooting pool. I am good at pool couldn't lose that night I remember and she was working the FL circuit. I know she is street smart she has worked Korea Singapore and Malaysia and so I know she knows what she is getting into. I am sad because we had great chemistry, she was my number 3 and clicked 9 of my 11 boxes including all 7 of the must haves. I have a number 1 who clicks 10 and my number 2 while also clicking 9 boxes is ahead because she clicks 8 and 9 whereas the girl who's leaving clicked 8 and 10 if you know what I mean. LOL I am beginning to think based on the talent I am encountering these days I may have to relax my specs and adjust my taste or else I'll soon run of regulars LOL. I know though I can never change on the fake noses or the need for slim. I know that is not negotiable. I should mention her name is the which is a popular Thai name for girls and sounds like the A.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2043607]I just had a slim girl at the short time hotel who looked a bit like Halle Berry who I hadn't seen before who had come onto me big time at Crazy Horse. I went back to the girlfriend who as you know is never that keen on having sex with me expecting to quickly nod off after my nightcap. I got into bed and next thing I knew she has her hand on my dick and said I'm horny darling. I had taken even longer than my normal 30 plus minutes to finish I was well knackered and I thought jeez can I get it up again. I have a beautiful girlfriend some of my regulars cannot believe I go with other girls when I show them her picture but as you know I love shagging and I just don't get enough at home. I have to say I had the best sex with my girlfriend that I can remember going back to when we first met. I don't know what came over her. I have a feeling if this continues I will disappoint my regulars when they don't see me around as much.[/QUOTE]I think you are talking about number 21. Did she have braces? Is this her?

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2044150]I'm a little sad today. I just got a line message from one of my regulars who told me she is off to Dubai with a rich dude who has promised her she can make $10000 a month servicing high end clients that he will introduce her to. I hear you say she needs to be careful and that is also what I told her. I know her for about 2 years now, met her in Gulliver's while shooting pool. I am good at pool couldn't lose that night I remember and she was working the FL circuit. I know she is street smart she has worked Korea Singapore and Malaysia and so I know she knows what she is getting into. I am sad because we had great chemistry, she was my number 3 and clicked 9 of my 11 boxes including all 7 of the must haves. I have a number 1 who clicks 10 and my number 2 while also clicking 9 boxes is ahead because she clicks 8 and 9 whereas the girl who's leaving clicked 8 and 10 if you know what I mean. LOL I am beginning to think based on the talent I am encountering these days I may have to relax my specs and adjust my taste or else I'll soon run of regulars LOL. I know though I can never change on the fake noses or the need for slim. I know that is not negotiable. I should mention her name is the which is a popular Thai name for girls and sounds like the A.[/QUOTE]So basically she be a slave of some Saudi prince.

[QUOTE=Nusta;2044076]False. If you go to one of the hospitals or pharmacies that's super "legit" then maybe. But 99% of the places you go here will just give it to you. Get it from here. Right next to Nana. [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Charoen[/URL]+Pharmacy / at 13.7421559,100.5504215,17 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x5 c15 e21 f1 f86 b496!8 m2!3 d13.7421559!4 d100.5526102.[/QUOTE]OK cool. I didn't know. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2044150]I'm a little sad today. I just got a line message from one of my regulars who told me she is off to Dubai with a rich dude who has promised her she can make $10000 a month servicing high end clients that he will introduce her to. I hear you say she needs to be careful and that is also what I told her. I know her for about 2 years now, met her in Gulliver's while shooting pool. I am good at pool couldn't lose that night I remember and she was working the FL circuit. I know she is street smart she has worked Korea Singapore and Malaysia and so I know she knows what she is getting into. I am sad because we had great chemistry, she was my number 3 and clicked 9 of my 11 boxes including all 7 of the must haves. I have a number 1 who clicks 10 and my number 2 while also clicking 9 boxes is ahead because she clicks 8 and 9 whereas the girl who's leaving clicked 8 and 10 if you know what I mean. LOL I am beginning to think based on the talent I am encountering these days I may have to relax my specs and adjust my taste or else I'll soon run of regulars LOL. I know though I can never change on the fake noses or the need for slim. I know that is not negotiable. I should mention her name is the which is a popular Thai name for girls and sounds like the A.[/QUOTE]I feel your pain. My last two regulars left almost 2 years ago and I have yet to find any replacements. Relaxing specs is an understatement.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2044150]I'm a little sad today. I just got a line message from one of my regulars who told me she is off .... [/QUOTE]She will be back. No need to worry. AND in the mean time, time to find some new tail. Plenty to choose from. LOL.

I needed some solace after my number 3 the sounds like the A went awol on me so I took the opportunity to check out Mitu on 33. I found the shop no problem I am good with Google maps.

I was warmly greeted by a young lad possibly Japanese who went through the menu on a tablet. I wasn't totally in tune with prices, services, star ratings etc but eventually because he said she was fresh not having had a customer I settled on Chicami (maybe not accurate spelling) actually sounded more Japanese than Thai.

I was astounded when she appeared, so tall long legs an amazing body with a killer smile and a so friendly disposition and of course I had already checked the nose. I noticed she was also happy when she saw me because I take care of my appearance especially dress style and I always make a good first impression.

I was offered a choice of complimentary drinks choose a beer and also a nice touch they supply a bottle of lipovitamin. LOL.

I was already rock hard as I watched her undress, what a toned athletic aesthetically heavenly shaped body. I was looking forward to the legendary tantric massage. I have had some great tantric massages in Shanghai and Tokyo and from some posts on the forum this is the only shop that provides a genuine experience in Bangkok.

I know what a tantric massage is, it is from start to finish a sensual massage slowly building to a climax. I have to say this girl was a novice and really not at all experienced in tantric massage having only worked there a month.

I chatted and discovered she was 22 from Bangkok and had just finished her schooling and so I decided I would go with the flow. I could tell from early on that she was totally committed to giving me a good time but because of her inexperience she would need some help. I showed her over the next hour all the tricks of the trade how to give the perfect blow job great sex how to delay ejaculation when giving a hand job where the deep dorsal vein is on the shaft etc etc.

I got such a buzz from her eagerness to learn from me and after tipping her even more generously than normal she said she wanted to spend the night with me, I said sorry not possible but yes I would visit again.

I left happy but immediately again began thinking of my number 3. I thought of the old truism that you only truly appreciate what you have when it is taken away from you. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2044243]I think you are talking about number 21. Did she have braces? Is this her?[/QUOTE]I know Dog there were no braces. I have been embarrassed on occasion where a girl comes up to me and says "you remember me" and I haven't the foggiest recollection of ever meeting her never mind shagging her and no I'm not suffering from Alzheimer's well at least not yet. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nusta;2044076]False. If you go to one of the hospitals or pharmacies that's super "legit" then maybe. But 99% of the places you go here will just give it to you. Get it from here. Right next to Nana. [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Charoen[/URL]+Pharmacy / at 13.7421559,100.5504215,17 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x5 c15 e21 f1 f86 b496!8 m2!3 d13.7421559!4 d100.5526102.[/QUOTE]Or South East Pharmacy next to Thermae. Or mostly anywhere!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2044243]I think you are talking about number 21. Did she have braces? Is this her?[/QUOTE]I recognise your girl from the Crazy House (rather than Horse), but are you psychic, and she does not remind me of Halle that much? LOL. I guess your post is somewhat "tongue in cheek" style.

I think braces on teeth means little since 2 out of my 3 current girls there at CH have braces.

Kratae (tits too small) reminds me of Halle Berry slightly but I am sure it is not her either.

On the other topic:
A girl I know of (friend of GF's brother) went to Dubai or UAE, not sure which against very strong advice, to work in a friend's family restaurant. Yeh right! She did escape home eventually somehow. I never heard all the horrible details but gathered was "sex slave" type of stuff.

I have a layover of around 8 hrs in Bangkok. Before I catch my next flight. Any tips to monger around would be helpful. Thanks. Good MP's or a place to hang around.

[QUOTE=Always09;2044580]I have a layover of around 8 hrs in Bangkok. Before I catch my next flight. Any tips to monger around would be helpful. Thanks. Good MP's or a place to hang around.[/QUOTE]Here is my report from last year:

"On my way back to Europe from Cambodia I had a stopover in Bangkok. I arrived 11 am. It took 1 hour to get out from airport. I took the train to city. First a little tourist thing. I visited Jim Thompsons House. I realy love that place. Then I walked to Sukhumvit Road. A realy nice walk. I visited Dr. BJ. Nice experience. Then it was time for dinner. After dinner 2 hour at Bamboo. Nice fuck with A+. I still had a couble of hour to kill, so I walked to Soi Cowboy. Spend time in Crazy House and in Vindmill. Walked to the station and back to the airport. I was in the airport 11 pm. What a nice day in Bangkok. ".

I've spoken to the, she's back home for a short spell before heading to the gulf. I asked her because I am concerned she is aware of what she might be getting into.

I got a fuller picture of the guy she met in Spasso's who made the offer. She told me he paid 50000 for a week with her at the Six Senses Yao Noi where she drank lots of champers on a chartered yacht. LOL.

I know there are lots of big rollers around willing to pay top dollar when they meet the right girl. I am not surprised that this could happen to the who is a super stylish intelligent lady with a charming personality and an amazing skill set back in the room. I would not have rated her as my number 3 if she wasn't outstanding.

I am off to Crazy Horse or as I like to call it Crazy House to see what's on stage as my girlfriend has regrettably reverted back to limiting the sex I get at home. LOL.

I've it spoken to my contact from the Hillary Group. Climax will remain closed for the time being. He has assured me that Hillary 2 has taken over the freelancer scene and is handling it quite well. So for those of you that want to go to climax, head over to Hillary 2 on Soi 4. But go early because its smaller than Climax was and gets crowded early he says. The next best place would be Insanity on Suk 12. It's very similar to Climax. The rest of the freelancers will be spread over Mixx, Level, Sugar, Thermae, and the Hyatt.

For those of you that didn't realize, Climax was responsible for the lively hoods of many working girls. Now that they are gone, I have noticed a huge increase in the online presence of freelancers. During the evenings, we chat, Thai Friendly, badoo, bee talk are all crowded with freelancers. For those of you that enjoy the freelance scene, be prepared to move to apps and websites if you want a good selection. It will save you a lot of travelling around the city to find the different venues.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;2044588]Here is my report from last year:

"On my way back to Europe from Cambodia I had a stopover in Bangkok. I arrived 11 am. It took 1 hour to get out from airport. I took the train to city. First a little tourist thing. I visited Jim Thompsons House. I realy love that place. Then I walked to Sukhumvit Road. A realy nice walk. I visited Dr. BJ. Nice experience. Then it was time for dinner. After dinner 2 hour at Bamboo. Nice fuck with A+. I still had a couble of hour to kill, so I walked to Soi Cowboy. Spend time in Crazy House and in Vindmill. Walked to the station and back to the airport. I was in the airport 11 pm. What a nice day in Bangkok. ".[/QUOTE]Great example of how to utilize a short layover in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2044606]Great example of how to utilize a short layover in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]If you consider 12 hours to be a short layover, I am glad you aren't my travel agent.

I haven't bothered checking out the online scene up to now but it seems from more and more forum posts that's where the future lies. I am a bit of a techie, computer literate so might check it out. LOL. I feel it could make sense as I had no luck at Crazy Horse or with tongue in cheek as I like to call it Crazy House 555, usual problem with too many nose jobs or maybe I just wasn't in the mood. I liked some of the pubic hair patterns though in particular some neatly trimmed landing strips and one excellent love heart. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2044632]If you consider 12 hours to be a short layover, I am glad you aren't my travel agent.[/QUOTE]Less than 24 hours is considered a short layover in my eyes. Are you on crack? Your comment is purely irrelevant and offers no substance to the forum whatsoever. Some would even call it a troll comment.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2044697]Less than 24 hours is considered a short layover in my eyes. Are you on crack? Your comment is purely irrelevant and offers no substance to the forum whatsoever. Some would even call it a troll comment.[/QUOTE]No offense meant. I've never tried crack. Not sure if that would have anything to do with 12 hours being a pretty long flight layover. I'm not sure if being on crack would make that seem shorter or longer. LOL.

I've had 4 hour layovers where I rush to Eden club, get in a shag (I don't take the full time if I don't have time), then get back to the airport in time for my flight. I can do a helluva lot in 12 hours.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2044604]
For those of you that didn't realize, Climax was responsible for the lively hoods of many working girls. Now that they are gone, I have noticed a huge increase in the online presence of freelancers. During the evenings, we chat, Thai Friendly, badoo, bee talk are all crowded with freelancers. For those of you that enjoy the freelance scene, be prepared to move to apps and websites if you want a good selection. It will save you a lot of travelling around the city to find the different venues.[/QUOTE]Yes, so I've noticed! So much easier now to get your uhm... climax.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2044657]I haven't bothered checking out the online scene up to now but it seems from more and more forum posts that's where the future lies. [/QUOTE]It's not the future anymore, it's the present. You should try it.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2044604]I've it spoken to my contact from the Hillary Group. Climax will remain closed for the time being. He has assured me that Hillary 2 has taken over the freelancer scene and is handling it quite well. So for those of you that want to go to climax, head over to Hillary 2 on Soi 4. But go early because its smaller than Climax was and gets crowded early he says. The next best place would be Insanity on Suk 12. It's very similar to Climax. The rest of the freelancers will be spread over Mixx, Level, Sugar, Thermae, and the Hyatt.

For those of you that didn't realize, Climax was responsible for the lively hoods of many working girls. Now that they are gone, I have noticed a huge increase in the online presence of freelancers. During the evenings, we chat, Thai Friendly, badoo, bee talk are all crowded with freelancers. For those of you that enjoy the freelance scene, be prepared to move to apps and websites if you want a good selection. It will save you a lot of travelling around the city to find the different venues.[/QUOTE]I can't say that I've noticed much of surge. It has been steadily growing for over 2 years now. All of those ladies have been using both WeChat and on the ground hookup spots simultaneously for quite a while now. Some other areas may have seen a boost because the ladies are more spread out but I can't say that I've seen a burst of new faces.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2044657]I haven't bothered checking out the online scene up to now but it seems from more and more forum posts that's where the future lies. I am a bit of a techie, computer literate so might check it out. LOL. I feel it could make sense as I had no luck at Crazy Horse or with tongue in cheek as I like to call it Crazy House 555, usual problem with too many nose jobs or maybe I just wasn't in the mood. I liked some of the pubic hair patterns though in particular some neatly trimmed landing strips and one excellent love heart. LOL.[/QUOTE]To be honest, I'm leaning the other way. The girls on the escort sites in BKK more often than not have 10 years added to their listed age, and their photos are photoshopped beyond belief and not up-to-date at all. And the provided service varies a lot. And that's from the top rep'd agencies!

Then you have the online independents, which is just completely hit-and-miss. Probably not even worth getting into unless you want to throw a ton of money and time down the drain.

On Smooci there's like 1 or 2 girls available per day that might give _decent_ service that'd be worth repeating, unless you have low standards and / or haven't gotten laid in the last year.

I'm not sure if it's the entire BKK scene or just online, but personally I'm starting to look elsewhere these days.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;2044588]Here is my report from last year:

"On my way back to Europe from Cambodia I had a stopover in Bangkok. I arrived 11 am. It took 1 hour to get out from airport. I took the train to city. First a little tourist thing. I visited Jim Thompsons House. I realy love that place. Then I walked to Sukhumvit Road. A realy nice walk. I visited Dr. BJ. Nice experience. Then it was time for dinner. After dinner 2 hour at Bamboo. Nice fuck with A+. I still had a couble of hour to kill, so I walked to Soi Cowboy. Spend time in Crazy House and in Vindmill. Walked to the station and back to the airport. I was in the airport 11 pm. What a nice day in Bangkok. ".[/QUOTE]Thanks mate. Really helps. Hopefully there are some good BJ bars as in the internet or nuru massages closeby the airport. Inputs welcome...

[QUOTE=Always09;2044983]Thanks mate. Really helps. Hopefully there are some good BJ bars as in the internet or nuru massages closeby the airport. Inputs welcome...[/QUOTE]Hi Always. There is nothing at / near the airport. You have to travel to, well, somewhere. Look at the bottom of the Thailand Forum and you will see a complete (although sparsely populated) thread about short layovers.

My two baht: you have plenty of time with 8 hours but you should have a plan (time schedule) with ample time to leave the airport and return; you need a destination --soapy, oily, BJ place whatever; and you need to report back on what happens! Have fun, TTG.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2044994] Look at the bottom of the Thailand Forum and you will see a complete (although sparsely populated) thread about short layovers..[/QUOTE]I stand corrected. The thread has been deleted, which may be a good thing because no reports of substance were posted!

[QUOTE=Always09;2044580]I have a layover of around 8 hrs in Bangkok. Before I catch my next flight. Any tips to monger around would be helpful. Thanks. Good MP's or a place to hang around.[/QUOTE]How can anyone advice you unless you give the timing of those 8 hours.

With 8 Hours in daytime, you can get a lot done.

[QUOTE=Always09;2044983]Thanks mate. Really helps. Hopefully there are some good BJ bars as in the internet or nuru massages closeby the airport. Inputs welcome...[/QUOTE]A 40/60'minutes drive by taxi will take you to Nana where everything happens.

Of course it depends on traffic situation and the time of day or night you have your window.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2044657]I haven't bothered checking out the online scene up to now but it seems from more and more forum posts that's where the future lies. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shiba7;2044941]To be honest, I'm leaning the other way. The girls on the escort sites in BKK more often than not have 10 years added to their listed age, and their photos are photoshopped beyond belief and not up-to-date at all. And the provided service varies a lot. And that's from the top rep'd agencies!

Then you have the online independents, which is just completely hit-and-miss. Probably not even worth getting into unless you want to throw a ton of money and time down the drain.

On Smooci there's like 1 or 2 girls available per day that might give _decent_ service that'd be worth repeating, unless you have low standards and / or haven't gotten laid in the last year.

I'm not sure if it's the entire BKK scene or just online, but personally I'm starting to look elsewhere these days.[/QUOTE]I think Franciscass was not referring to escort sites or independent escorts but to chat apps like WeChat and Badoo, or sites like Thai Friendly and Facebook.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2045172]How can anyone advice you unless you give the timing of those 8 hours.

With 8 Hours in daytime, you can get a lot done.[/QUOTE]Well it's arriving 12:30 noon and leaving 21:00 which actually is 8. 5 hrs ::))

I wandered down 4 this afternoon after somebody mentioned Hillary 2 was an alternative to the shuttered beer garden on 7. I don't think so but anyway I headed over to the newly opened complex where Strickers used to be and found Hilary 1 has reappeared. I always liked Hillary 1 best of all that group's pubs but the new concept, well check it out yourself but for me it's lost its old charm. I headed to 2 as the access has reopened and popped out of curiosity into Annie's. I thought the lineup and I admit I like it when prompted they stand to attention was a tad better than I remember. I thought the new dress code resembling I'm guessing underwear was a nice touch but the 2500 value proposition is still way out of whack for Bangkok. I have a feeling doc has directed his online marketing to the Indian market as I met 3 on their way upstairs as I was leaving.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045354]Well it's arriving 12:30 noon and leaving 21:00 which actually is 8. 5 hrs ::))[/QUOTE]No problem!

Your flight times should give you plenty of time to get a taxi from the airport to downtown (around 45 minutes to 1 hour at this time of day.).

Then get a decent lunch and a beer or 2 (You even have time for some shopping or a look round) and make an mid / late afternoon visit to one of the many massage places (1. 5 to 2 hours.) See the massage thread for details and locations) and you will still get back to the airport (around 1 hour in the evening) with time to spare! Or, you could try a visit to the infamous S. O. L. In Patpong 2.

Enjoy,

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;2045383]No problem!

Your flight times should give you plenty of time to get a taxi from the airport to downtown (around 45 minutes to 1 hour at this time of day.).

Then get a decent lunch and a beer or 2 (You even have time for some shopping or a look round) and make an mid / late afternoon visit to one of the many massage places (1. 5 to 2 hours.) See the massage thread for details and locations) and you will still get back to the airport (around 1 hour in the evening) with time to spare! Or, you could try a visit to the infamous S. O. L. In Patpong 2.

Enjoy,

Hotman.[/QUOTE]How does the Visa on Arrival process work. Do they allow for the 8 hours. Any info on how to get out and get back in would be helpful.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045396]How does the Visa on Arrival process work. Do they allow for the 8 hours. Any info on how to get out and get back in would be helpful.[/QUOTE]Visa on arrival is not the same as visa exempt. Some countries can simply get stamped in for 15 or 30 days as visa exempt, where others need a visa on arrival and paperwork is required to fill out. In some circumstances you need a tourist visa from the embassy. It would be helpful to know what nationality you are so we can better answer your question. Visa on arrival will then need to go through Immigrstion so that will cut into your time. If you are visa exempt, just a trip through the immigration que for the permission to stay stamp. If your nationality requires a visa to be gotten from the embassy then you will just proceed directly to the Immigrstion que to enter and activate your visa.

Whatever category you fall under, there is no minimum stay time. You exit Thailand anytime before the permission to stay stamp expires. 2 hours later or 30 days later for example. You obviously don't travel often so I think you better check what visa type you qualify for based on your nationality and then you will know where you stand.

If you use the Airport link and leave your luggage at the airport, you will save a lot of time with travel in both directions. I would never take a taxi with Bangkok traffic being so unpredictable when trying to catch a flight with a such a short layover.

Realistically, you can probably get two 2 hour sessions in and a good meal before heading back. I would recommend going to Snow White because the chance of failure is slim to none. Then grab some food to recharge your batteries. After that, head over to Ratchada by taxi and have a session at Ocean. That should take you to about 6. Then hope back on the MRT, travel 1 or 2 stops to Pharam 9 station and transfer to Makason Airport Link and head back to the airport. This plan can't fail.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045396]How does the Visa on Arrival process work. Do they allow for the 8 hours. Any info on how to get out and get back in would be helpful.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on your nationality (which I do not know!)

Best for you to check on the airport website to be sure.

Enjoy,

Hotman.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2045203]A 40/60'minutes drive by taxi will take you to Nana where everything happens.

Of course it depends on traffic situation and the time of day or night you have your window.[/QUOTE]Instead of taking a taxi, I would rather hop on a train to Phaya Thai and then onward to Nana. You will save some money and possibly some time too. BKK traffic is notorious and there is no telling what horrors lie ahead on the day of his visit.

I presume his baggage will be in the left luggage area. No point lugging stuff around.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045396]How does the Visa on Arrival process work. Do they allow for the 8 hours. Any info on how to get out and get back in would be helpful.[/QUOTE]Depending on your nationality you either head straight to immigration or you get into the visa on arrivals section. Immigration is free and may take easily upwards of an hour, the queues are never empty. VOA is 2000 baht with an option to get a fast lane service for an additional 200 baht. I think there is some sort of promo going on where the VOA fees have been halved.

As another BM said best to check the airport website for information.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2045408]Visa on arrival is not the same as visa exempt. Some countries can simply get stamped in for 15 or 30 days as visa exempt, where others need a visa on arrival and paperwork is required to fill out. In some circumstances you need a tourist visa from the embassy. It would be helpful to know what nationality you are so we can better answer your question. Visa on arrival will then need to go through Immigrstion so that will cut into your time. If you are visa exempt, just a trip through the immigration que for the permission to stay stamp. If your nationality requires a visa to be gotten from the embassy then you will just proceed directly to the Immigrstion que to enter and activate your visa.

Whatever category you fall under, there is no minimum stay time. You exit Thailand anytime before the permission to stay stamp expires. 2 hours later or 30 days later for example. You obviously don't travel often so I think you better check what visa type you qualify for based on your nationality and then you will know where you stand.

If you use the Airport link and leave your luggage at the airport, you will save a lot of time with travel in both directions. I would never take a taxi with Bangkok traffic being so unpredictable when trying to catch a flight with a such a short layover.

Realistically, you can probably get two 2 hour sessions in and a good meal before heading back. I would recommend going to Snow White because the chance of failure is slim to none. Then grab some food to recharge your batteries. After that, head over to Ratchada by taxi and have a session at Ocean. That should take you to about 6. Then hope back on the MRT, travel 1 or 2 stops to Pharam 9 station and transfer to Makason Airport Link and head back to the airport. This plan can't fail.[/QUOTE]I am holding an Indian Passport. Last time I had only 3 hours layover in Bangkok therefore stayed put in the airport. Understanding VOA in Bangkok would be helpful. For example in Indonesia it was pretty easy. I pay USD 35 and then they gave me the VOA. And it's free now I believe.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045396]How does the Visa on Arrival process work. Do they allow for the 8 hours. Any info on how to get out and get back in would be helpful.[/QUOTE]If you are a sub-continental or from some other place of diseases, you may need to show your international vaccination card. Without it, they can inoculate you right there before permitting you entry.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045433]I am holding an Indian Passport. Last time I had only 3 hours layover in Bangkok therefore stayed put in the airport. Understanding VOA in Bangkok would be helpful. For example in Indonesia it was pretty easy. I pay USD 35 and then they gave me the VOA. And it's free now I believe.[/QUOTE]Visa regulations for Indian citizens applying for a visa on arrival are as follows:

A valid passport.

You will need a passport valid for at least 6 months following your departure date, with at least 2 remaining unused pages for any necessary entry and exit stamps that may be issued.

Visa on arrival application form with recent photo (4 cm x 6 cm).

The fee for the application is THB 1,000.

A confirmed travel itinerary or fully-paid ticket usable within 15 days from entry date.

Proof of accommodation and funds of at least THB 10,000 per person and THB 20,000 per family.

This may put a damper on your plans. Entry may not be guaranteed because even though you show them your onward ticket for 8 hours later, many Indian nationals abuse the system. Even though you state you will only be entering for 8 hours, they still may insist on the cash and proof of accommodation. I obtained this information from my office as I work in a law firm in Bangkok where Immigrstion and NGO organizations are our specialty.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2045481]Visa regulations for Indian citizens applying for a visa on arrival are as follows:

A valid passport.

You will need a passport valid for at least 6 months following your departure date, with at least 2 remaining unused pages for any necessary entry and exit stamps that may be issued.

Visa on arrival application form with recent photo (4 cm x 6 cm).

The fee for the application is THB 1,000.

A confirmed travel itinerary or fully-paid ticket usable within 15 days from entry date.

Proof of accommodation and funds of at least THB 10,000 per person and THB 20,000 per family.

This may put a damper on your plans. Entry may not be guaranteed because even though you show them your onward ticket for 8 hours later, many Indian nationals abuse the system. Even though you state you will only be entering for 8 hours, they still may insist on the cash and proof of accommodation. I obtained this information from my office as I work in a law firm in Bangkok where Immigrstion and NGO organizations are our specialty.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks for the info bro. Hopefully they'll give me looking at the stamps of Canada, Dubai, Singapore, Malaysia and a valid B1/ B2 US visa in the passport. : will hope for the best. Thanks once again for all the help.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045499]Thanks for the info bro. Hopefully they'll give me looking at the stamps of Canada, Dubai, Singapore, Malaysia and a valid B1/ B2 US visa in the passport. : will hope for the best. Thanks once again for all the help.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I wonder people who claim to travel so many countries are asking such questions. I wonder if you have really travelled that much.

If a blind man has crossed any immigration counter three times, fourth times he will not even ask about visa exempt or visa on arrival question.

1. google emassy website.

2. check your xountry comea under visa exempt or visa on arrival.

3. check documents.

4. you must be having an international card to prove your funds which is never asked ever.

5. return ticket. Confirmed one.

6. this is not a immigration forum.

7. Thai gals have a third leg, so better sleep at airport.

5. still confused go home sleep well eat nice.

[QUOTE=RockyHardy21;2045518]Sometimes I wonder people who claim to travel so many countries are asking such questions. I wonder if you have really travelled that much.

If a blind man has crossed any immigration counter three times, fourth times he will not even ask about visa exempt or visa on arrival question.

1. google emassy website.

2. check your xountry comea under visa exempt or visa on arrival.

3. check documents.

4. you must be having an international card to prove your funds which is never asked ever.

5. return ticket. Confirmed one.

6. this is not a immigration forum.

7. Thai gals have a third leg, so better sleep at airport.

5. still confused go home sleep well eat nice.[/QUOTE]I will not debate anymore on this topic. But travelling to each country is different and better to get real time feedback then go thorough shit when landing. I know this is not an immigration forum but there will be mongers who would have gone through a situation like me when looking out for good time in the country.

I got constructive feedback from some of the mongers and that helps and your comments suggests that if I travel often nobody is going to stop me. Try answering a question from the immigration officer why you went to that particular country. 5 years back.

Again I was looking for expert help which I have received. And thanks all.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045684]I will not debate anymore on this topic. But travelling to each country is different and better to get real time feedback then go thorough shit when landing. I know this is not an immigration forum but there will be mongers who would have gone through a situation like me when looking out for good time in the country.

I got constructive feedback from some of the mongers and that helps and your comments suggests that if I travel often nobody is going to stop me. Try answering a question from the immigration officer why you went to that particular country. 5 years back.

Again I was looking for expert help which I have received. And thanks all.[/QUOTE]Now bros. It's time for you to give a little back. Go back to the Hanoi forum and answer my question please. I will be travelling there next month. I normally don't answer questions like yourbut I made an exception. I hope you can post more reports to give back. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Always09;2045684]I will not debate anymore on this topic..[/QUOTE]The chances are that you will have your passport stamped and be through immigration in minutes.

HOWEVER, there is always a possibility that you could come across a difficult immigration official. Just remember how much many of the Thai people HATE Indians!

So, better to be aware and prepared.

Best of luck and ENJOY.

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;2045785]The chances are that you will have your passport stamped and be through immigration in minutes.

HOWEVER, there is always a possibility that you could come across a difficult immigration official. Just remember how much many of the Thai people HATE Indians!

So, better to be aware and prepared.

Best of luck and ENJOY.

Hotman.[/QUOTE]The issue is not with stamping his passport in immigration. The issue is about whether they will grant the visa on arrival without a hotel booking. He more than likely could produce the cash and he has his onward ticket for 8 hours later. It amazes me how people don't read.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2045469]If you are a sub-continental or from some other place of diseases, you may need to show your international vaccination card. Without it, they can inoculate you right there before permitting you entry.[/QUOTE]No vaccination is required if your port of embarkation is some indian city. I have travelled several times to Thailand from India on an Indian passport and nobody asked for any international vaccination card. It is required for people coming from some African countries. I had once entered BKK on a 12 hour layover and the immigration officer didn't even ask for hotel reservation when he saw my confirmed ticket for onward journey. Thais may hate Indians as some say but their greed is more than their hatred. They are simply interested in getting 1000 THB VOA fee and don't care if you stay for 15 days or 15 hours. After all, tourists is their main source of earning foreign exchange.

Last night was one of the very rare occasions that I visit GoGo bars. I must admit I saw some very nice bodies in CH. Most of the heads were a bit edgy though. If they performed like Tulip or SW gals then I would have no issue paying the prices they are asking. But for an unknown quantity to put out over 100 USD; no way. But I sure enjoyed some of the view.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2045975]Last night was one of the very rare occasions that I visit GoGo bars. I must admit I saw some very nice bodies in CH. Most of the heads were a bit edgy though. If they performed like Tulip or SW gals then I would have no issue paying the prices they are asking. But for an unknown quantity to put out over 100 USD; no way. But I sure enjoyed some of the view.[/QUOTE]Yes absolutely correct. Some good bodies. Rather few exceptional faces. Performance hit and miss. Need to choose very carefully. Pornstars? Unlikely. Prices are too high to be value for money, once you buy a couple of drinks and pay a BF, it is mounting up.

However my last visit Tuesday (I think) found a fairly good line up (lineup quality is quite variable). School holidays are over so most mothers have returned. One of the very early founding girls TaengMo was there.

I still sometimes take these girls to get something known to be superior looking to what I normally get in in the Oilies, since the quality of face and body matters to me more than skills. I take also girls that are mothers and girls that have mostly Farang customers, since they are much less likely to be dick scared. Quite a number of girls with a child have very minimal baby damage indeed, especially if tits are so small that they cannot sag. LOL I like to make sure their is minimal damage before choosing. However did not try a new girl this year.

My 3 remaining regular girls are pretty enthusiastic types of fucks and all skinny girls. All give acceptable BBBJs and DFK. None of them try to rush so I get 90 minutes no problem. No pornstar performance though. Usually how I enjoy the session is more related to my performance than to the girl's. I recognise that when a session was not as good as a previous time, 90% of it is due to how strong I am, when I last had a fuck, etc.

I have had plenty of dick scared girls (usually not mothers. However no guarantees) from there in the past. The best looking favourites I ever had there are all departed. Hard to find a new girl with comparable looks, so CH has definitely declined over the 4 years. Visits now declining a lot. If top girls (for face and body) Nat, Donut, May-Lee were still there, it would be hard to stay away. Took one CH girl recently privately without having to incur the bar expenses. She lives not that far from me and she is lazy to go to the bar also. Hardly works there anymore.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2045975]Last night was one of the very rare occasions that I visit GoGo bars. I must admit I saw some very nice bodies in CH. Most of the heads were a bit edgy though. If they performed like Tulip or SW gals then I would have no issue paying the prices they are asking. But for an unknown quantity to put out over 100 USD; no way. But I sure enjoyed some of the view.[/QUOTE]I don't know what it is with CH but there is always drama there. Servers begging for drinks and tips, a lady getting shit for a customer drinking 1/5 of the lady drinks because she can't finish it, cannot even glance at your mobile phone without getting told to put it away, ladies being drink nazis by downing the drink and taking off before you can even strike up a conversation and deal for BF, and being forced to buy your first round outside when you are not even an Indian. So why do we keep going back? It must be the 50-100 completely naked girls on stage! 😜

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2045975]Last night was one of the very rare occasions that I visit GoGo bars. I must admit I saw some very nice bodies in CH. Most of the heads were a bit edgy though. If they performed like Tulip or SW gals then I would have no issue paying the prices they are asking. But for an unknown quantity to put out over 100 USD; no way. But I sure enjoyed some of the view.[/QUOTE]Barfining from Soi Cowboy is certainly hit or miss (I guess if you say "hit and miss" it makes it sound like there is a 0% of success). Most girls are essentially clock watchers, as they are in a hurry to get the deed done at the ST room and head back to the money making machine, in my experience. Especially with early closures, they are not forced to head back sooner. In general, I only BF from there as a last resort kind of thing. Say, it's nighttime and I need to bust a nut. So, unless you can get a report about which girls provide decent service and which are rushy and too focused on work, then it is pointless. I think we all need to start posting reviews of the girls we see and stop hording the good performers to our selves (I'm partially guilty of this! That way, if we reward the good performers, they'll get picked more and be rewarded for doing a good job.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2046035] So, unless you can get a report about which girls provide decent service and which are rushy and too focused on work, then it is pointless. I think we all need to start posting reviews of the girls we see and stop hording the good performers to our selves (I'm partially guilty of this! That way, if we reward the good performers, they'll get picked more and be rewarded for doing a good job.[/QUOTE]Every guy likes different girls. I certainly posted reports on the new girls tried including names and numbers. I don't bother to post a detail experience report with the same girl 5 times. Good girls for me do exist.

How often do we benefit from trying a girl recommended by someone else? Maybe it happens, but I can't remember acquiring any new favourite recommended by someone else, maybe on rare occasion by co-incidence.

Firstly you have to know which posters like girls very similar to your own taste.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2046043]
Firstly you have to know which posters like girls very similar to your own taste.[/QUOTE]And beside that many posters have forgotten the name and / or number of the girl they had, and sometimes even the bar or agogo they found her.
And you have to be in town around the same time as the poster because girls are coming and going all the time.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2046021]I don't know what it is with CH but there is always drama there. Servers begging for drinks and tips, a lady getting shit for a customer drinking 1/5 of the lady drinks because she can't finish it, cannot even glance at your mobile phone without getting told to put it away, ladies being drink nazis by downing the drink and taking off before you can even strike up a conversation and deal for BF, and being forced to buy your first round outside when you are not even an Indian. So why do we keep going back? It must be the 50-100 completely naked girls on stage! 😜[/QUOTE]Did not experience any drama. Gals came over, we ignored them and they left, used my phone and one server tried to say something to me and ignored her and kept using my phone. Asked me if I wanted another drink when mine was half finished and I responded very curtly in Thai. No one bothered us the rest of the time we were there. In fact, we had to call a server over to order a second drink. Found the best way to not be bothered in CH is to tell the gals about your last experience at the PSE oilies, tell them what you paid for it, and offer them the same. They'll leave you alone.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2046035]Barfining from Soi Cowboy is certainly hit or miss (I guess if you say "hit and miss" it makes it sound like there is a 0% of success). Most girls are essentially clock watchers, as they are in a hurry to get the deed done at the ST room and head back to the money making machine, in my experience. Especially with early closures, they are not forced to head back sooner. In general, I only BF from there as a last resort kind of thing. Say, it's nighttime and I need to bust a nut. So, unless you can get a report about which girls provide decent service and which are rushy and too focused on work, then it is pointless. I think we all need to start posting reviews of the girls we see and stop hording the good performers to our selves (I'm partially guilty of this! That way, if we reward the good performers, they'll get picked more and be rewarded for doing a good job.[/QUOTE]It was hit and miss when I moved here 18 years ago as well, but ST was 1 k Baht (25 USD at the time) and BF in Cowboy was 400 Baht (10 USD). With a couple of 8-0 Baht drinks you were out about 40-45 USD per pop. Not chump change, but not enough to get upset about if it was not great. Now you are spending well over double that. Real money that is. Sorry, that is just too much for a meh experience.

Hi,

Came across this site a year back and have been a lurker. Hate asking questions and enjoy reading FRs.

I do have my share of fun, not too frequent as my conscience gets in the way.

I am Indian and have seen how some of my country men behave.

It's a psychology thing.

1. Thailand in India has a really nasty reputation.

I visit for work and colleagues and family have their eyebrows raised everyone I mention the country's name.

2. Indians want virgins who can perform like working girls and by that I mean their wives or girlfriends. This is a fact.

3. Its sad they come from a society that gave the world tantra sex and kamasutra and yet the word sex is still not used publically.

I love Thailand. It's got something for everyone.

But to majority of Indian visitors they come for only one purpose. And they will bargain, try and get "value for their money" another reason is for them a bhat is double their value of rupee unlike our $ earning friends.

And due to their behavior a lot of us suffer and will continue to do so, but not all indians are the same just like not all Muslims are terrorists.

Why I am writing this is from an experience I had at Crazy Horse. They refused admission, my drunk friend even flashed a bundle of 1 k notes. They just said don't need your money.

So I guess the reputation is here to stay.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2046035]Barfining from Soi Cowboy is certainly hit or miss (I guess if you say "hit and miss" it makes it sound like there is a 0% of success). Most girls are essentially clock watchers, as they are in a hurry to get the deed done at the ST room and head back to the money making machine, in my experience. Especially with early closures, they are not forced to head back sooner. In general, I only BF from there as a last resort kind of thing. Say, it's nighttime and I need to bust a nut. So, unless you can get a report about which girls provide decent service and which are rushy and too focused on work, then it is pointless. I think we all need to start posting reviews of the girls we see and stop hording the good performers to our selves (I'm partially guilty of this! That way, if we reward the good performers, they'll get picked more and be rewarded for doing a good job.[/QUOTE]Like someone said what my recommendation could be another may hate.

I have learnt a lot from this site. Prefer MPies never picked up a freelancer leave alone girls from clubs.

My trips to Soi Cowboy have been pure entertainment and drinking and meeting up with buddies.

My last trip to Soi Cowboy my friend couldn't make it. I was at Suzie Wongs hanging around wasting money buying lady drinks, and at 1 am just as I was about to leave a bloody cute girl early 30s walked in and didn't ask for a drink, in her sundress just sat and laughed and danced on my lap.

She wasn't a dancer nor did she look like any of the mamasans walking around like bouncers.

She was drunk and I was high. My mind was racing as she suddenly decided to leave and go to another dude sitting nearby. I just loved her sparkly eyes. So what I have never done before bar fined her, the mamasan said NO take number girl.

I said forget it, she said let me ask her. I waited, mamasan said okay but will be 4 k LT.

Had the most sensuous time with her.

Next morning I looked at her wondering how you wake up with someone that alcohol makes them appear way prettier than they actually are.

She was gorgeous!

We stayed in bed till 11 and I had to get to a meeting so quickly got her to leave. The bell rang, she walked back in and wanted a quicky.

Anyhow whole day I couldn't get her out of my mind.

I was leaving the next day, and decided no way was I going back.

Had a average time at Mitu massage and a brilliant time at Kaslong.

Somehow I did step into Suzie at 1 pm was told she's not there.

I sat outside for a cold one. I was chatting with a mamasan and discussing my indianness informs me that eut was inside.

Now I am no way good looking, am 36 facial hair etc etc. All the things some sites say are a turn off for Thai girls.

Anyhow I went in, she was right there dancing in a lovely dress in some African and surprisingly sober.

She saw me and asked me to wait.

She comes to me and says let's go. I say not today. She says just pay 2 k for St.

I couldn't say no. I paid she collected her stuff, I hadn't eaten. She took me to a nice basement Thai place where I had the yummiest rice and some pork dish.

Went to the hotel. Paid her 2 k. Told her she can leave when she wants to. I was in no mood for sex and the 2 k really didn't matter.

We ended up chatting, she turned out to have a college degree, although English was very average but we ended up having fun.

She infact asked me if she can stay, (hint sometimes a nice hotel helps), I said I leave in the Morning at 8 am. She said I leave with you.

We didn't sleep! I had read one shot or two is what girls draw a line at, this girl kept at it.

In fact she woke me up I actually felt like leaving all my leftover 3/4 k bhatt for her. I asked her to take money from my wallet.

She took a 500 note and said it's enough.

Its been a year. I have refused to see her. Will end up falling in love.

And have read too many reports from various forums to walk down that path.

Those 2 nights are my happy memories but I prefer to have them as a memory than pursue it.

[QUOTE=Dangit;2046156]Why I am writing this is from an experience I had at Crazy Horse. They refused admission, my drunk friend even flashed a bundle of 1 k notes. They just said don't need your money.
[/QUOTE]That can happen to everyone of us. Just don't care, just go on.

Guys from Sweden in their 50's, who looks good for their age, have the highest reputation. All others are below that.

BTW: With high reputation Thai girls mean easy to manage as husbands. Maybe not the title everyone wants to win.

[QUOTE=Dangit;2046156]Hi,

{Snip}

And due to their behavior a lot of us suffer and will continue to do so, but not all indians are the same just like not all Muslims are terrorists.

Why I am writing this is from an experience I had at Crazy Horse. They refused admission, my drunk friend even flashed a bundle of 1 k notes. They just said don't need your money.

So I guess the reputation is here to stay.[/QUOTE]Or your government could be pro-active in trying to fix the problem like the Chinese government was. When the Chinese middle class started to get the means to travel more, the Chinese government started a country wide education program to inform their citizens how to behave when in another country. Your government definitely needs to do the same.

In saying the above, I fully acknowledge that a huge number of my countrymen (Australian) could do with similar training before they are even issued with a passport!

[QUOTE=Dangit;2046156]
1. Thailand in India has a really nasty reputation.

I visit for work and colleagues and family have their eyebrows raised everyone I mention the country's name.

But to majority of Indian visitors they come for only one purpose. And they will bargain, try and get "value for their money" another reason is for them a bhat is double their value of rupee unlike our $ earning friends.

And due to their behavior a lot of us suffer and will continue to do so, but not all indians are the same just like not all Muslims are terrorists.

Why I am writing this is from an experience I had at Crazy Horse. They refused admission, my drunk friend even flashed a bundle of 1 k notes. They just said don't need your money.

So I guess the reputation is here to stay.[/QUOTE]I guess the India Thailand feeling is mutual disdain. Most Thai people are somewhat racist. This means they can evaluate an Indian guy purely by his look and country rather than the individual. Fortunately some Thais know there is a big difference from one person to another. There are classy Indians.

I have asked at Crazy House why Indians are not allowed. It is not just fear of body odours. Plenty of Farang customers stink too and need a shower badly. I hate the smokers in there regardless of where they come from.

The main issues seem to be that Indians are considered to be well above average trouble makers and getting into disputes. The other main thing is the "value for money" part. Indians have the reputation of not wanting to part with any money. I. e. They want to be entertained by naked dancing girls essentially "for free" which means they are a waste of space. The reputation is that they spend very little on drinks, less than any other nationality, and do not buy drinks for the girls. I don't know if all these generalisations are totally true or not. Just what I hear. So actually Crazy House does not want any customers that will not spend reasonable amounts on their drinks and Girl drinks, but the door staff don't always know which customers are the stingiest. I am well known as a spender on girls so walk straight in with no issues. They know my face.

Bars like Billboard in Nana Plaza welcome Indians. I am slightly put off by the groups of Indians going there and partying in the bar. Those groups don't sit still and quietly like many other customers. Act like they have taken over the place for a private party. They tend to be jumping around, "high fiving" each other, and causing fears they will crash into me or knock my drinks over. Possibly I am over reacting, and a little phobic, but I like customers who sit quietly and enjoy and don't cause any disturbance to the other customers, not other customers who are almost in my face. Indians may well used to being in overcrowded places so cavorting around a bit too close to other customers may not seem strange to them at all. I am never keen on guys standing blocking the view of the stage, Indians or Farangs, unless there is truly no seating available. Japanese almost always sit very well behaved in comparison to Indians and Farangs. Hardly ever see Japanese making a nuisance other than smoking. Drunk Farangs can certainly be a nuisance, because they bump into things or crash into drinks tables.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2046351]Or your government could be pro-active in trying to fix the problem like the Chinese government was. When the Chinese middle class started to get the means to travel more, the Chinese government started a country wide education program to inform their citizens how to behave when in another country. Your government definitely needs to do the same.

In saying the above, I fully acknowledge that a huge number of my countrymen (Australian) could do with similar training before they are even issued with a passport![/QUOTE]By looking at the behaviour today of Chinese tourists, they don't seem to have learnt a lot.

[QUOTE=Michager;2046337]That can happen to everyone of us. Just don't care, just go on.[/QUOTE]I agree. BKK is so full of options that a few bad experiences can be expected by anyone's standards and ought to be inconsequential. Having said so, I would venture to say that good behavior, smart style and an ability & willingness to spend good amount of money would go a long way in making things easy for any guy regardless of nationality and even at establishments that may, otherwise, have a selective door policy.

Bro I am an Indian and travel frequently to Thailand been there 7-8 times past 3-4 years so avging out 2 trips an year.

I know some. Places where they are racists but it's Bec of us only and yeah we have it in our blood to bargain I will bargain but I will tip a girl for the performance and I would let them know about it.

I am not stingy it's just that if some1 can get a girl for 3 k why will I pay 5 k.

Last time I had a Turkish girl LT for 4 k she was amazing in bed totally worth it. I paid her 4. 5 k, she was more than happy unfortunately that was my last day or I would have taken her again.

Indians are mostly welcomed in shock 39 if I am not wrong and I used to love mix before they handed it for us. But I went in with my Singaporean friends.

You need to be presentable and not flashy. (We Indians have a habit of showing off you see).

Just a thumbs up for all Indians be classy and we might change our reputation in future maybe 4-5 years from now.

[QUOTE=Dangit;2046156]Hi,

Came across this site a year back and have been a lurker. Hate asking questions and enjoy reading FRs.

I do have my share of fun, not too frequent as my conscience gets in the way.

I am Indian and have seen how some of my country men behave.

It's a psychology thing.

1. Thailand in India has a really nasty reputation.

I visit for work and colleagues and family have their eyebrows raised everyone I mention the country's name.

2. Indians want virgins who can perform like working girls and by that I mean their wives or girlfriends. This is a fact.

3. Its sad they come from a society that gave the world tantra sex and kamasutra and yet the word sex is still not used publically.

I love Thailand. It's got something for everyone.

But to majority of Indian visitors they come for only one purpose. And they will bargain, try and get "value for their money" another reason is for them a bhat is double their value of rupee unlike our $ earning friends.

And due to their behavior a lot of us suffer and will continue to do so, but not all indians are the same just like not all Muslims are terrorists.

Why I am writing this is from an experience I had at Crazy Horse. They refused admission, my drunk friend even flashed a bundle of 1 k notes. They just said don't need your money.

So I guess the reputation is here to stay.[/QUOTE]

I hate to say it but you my friend have sumed us up perfectly.

Haha I was laughing when you said we make it a private party place, like we do in shock 39 and we hifi each other. Oh BTW we don't drink in clubs Bec we buy our fair share of liquor from the airport.

Usually Indians are there for 5 days max and mostly come in groups so 4-5 people with 5 bottles, it is enough. We drink 1 bottle a night and then hit the clubs, pubs or gogos.

It's the truth and I can't deny it.

But I like to go down another path. I have seen whenever I and my friends have opened a bottle in the club you get noticed and girls come to you buy a lady drink she will acknowledge you.

I bought a lady drink in Pattaya she was in aww as how can an Indian buy a lady a drink. We are that bad in reputation. I did bar fine the girl for St and she ended up staying LT Bec of my attitude towards her and I gave her a 500 B tip.

We were drinking and having fun the whole night.

Thanks to the forum making me learn quite a bit.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2046489]I guess the India Thailand feeling is mutual disdain. Most Thai people are somewhat racist. This means they can evaluate an Indian guy purely by his look and country rather than the individual. Fortunately some Thais know there is a big difference from one person to another. There are classy Indians.

I have asked at Crazy House why Indians are not allowed. It is not just fear of body odours. Plenty of Farang customers stink too and need a shower badly. I hate the smokers in there regardless of where they come from.

The main issues seem to be that Indians are considered to be well above average trouble makers and getting into disputes. The other main thing is the "value for money" part. Indians have the reputation of not wanting to part with any money. I. e. They want to be entertained by naked dancing girls essentially "for free" which means they are a waste of space. The reputation is that they spend very little on drinks, less than any other nationality, and do not buy drinks for the girls. I don't know if all these generalisations are totally true or not. Just what I hear. So actually Crazy House does not want any customers that will not spend reasonable amounts on their drinks and Girl drinks, but the door staff don't always know which customers are the stingiest. I am well known as a spender on girls so walk straight in with no issues. They know my face.

Bars like Billboard in Nana Plaza welcome Indians. I am slightly put off by the groups of Indians going there and partying in the bar. Those groups don't sit still and quietly like many other customers. Act like they have taken over the place for a private party. They tend to be jumping around, "high fiving" each other, and causing fears they will crash into me or knock my drinks over. Possibly I am over reacting, and a little phobic, but I like customers who sit quietly and enjoy and don't cause any disturbance to the other customers, not other customers who are almost in my face. Indians may well used to being in overcrowded places so cavorting around a bit too close to other customers may not seem strange to them at all. I am never keen on guys standing blocking the view of the stage, Indians or Farangs, unless there is truly no seating available. Japanese almost always sit very well behaved in comparison to Indians and Farangs. Hardly ever see Japanese making a nuisance other than smoking. Drunk Farangs can certainly be a nuisance, because they bump into things or crash into drinks tables.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2046608]By looking at the behaviour today of Chinese tourists, they don't seem to have learnt a lot.[/QUOTE]Can't argue with that. At least they are trying. .

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2046489]
The main issues seem to be that Indians are considered to be well above average trouble makers and getting into disputes. The other main thing is the "value for money" part. Indians have the reputation of not wanting to part with any money. I. e. They want to be entertained by naked dancing girls essentially "for free" which means they are a waste of space. The reputation is that they spend very little on drinks, less than any other nationality, and do not buy drinks for the girls. I don't know if all these generalisations are totally true or not. [/QUOTE]By definition, a "generalization" is not "totally" true. It's exactly as described. A generalization.

Is this particular generalization accurate? Hell, yes.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2046791]Can't argue with that. At least they are trying .[/QUOTE]Having worked in China a lot I was amazed at the ability of Chinese to ignore government propaganda. I asked my interpreter one day what was written on a banner that had been hanging by the entrance gate to the work site for many months. She had to stop and read it and then told me that it was "government propaganda". It was hilarious to watch Chinese TV before the 2008 Olympics when the government was running lot of commercials on how to properly behave. Some of it did help though.

I am aware dick scared girls seems an issue for some members so because I am big myself and come across this a lot may I offer some advice.

I would say first it is not the size (and size can be either length or girth or as in my case a combination of both) it is the fear of being hurt that is the problem for the girl. I would say the most important thing to do is to assure her that you will not do anything that causes her pain, in Thai there are a couple of ways of saying pain but the most common is the verb jep (pronounced chep).

I would tell her you will pay her anyway and a blow job or hand job is OK if "she cannot do", this usually relaxes her. I use DATY and clitoris stimulation to make sure she is as wet as she can be in the circumstances and use generous portions of KY. I take it very very slow and am extra gentle in penetration. I have sometimes taken a full 10 minutes to go in far as I can.

I am always amazed at how often the sex then becomes extremely intense with the girl "finishing "multiple times before I and as you know I take quite a while eventually pop myself.

I am not suggesting 5 inches will not get the job done but lots of women will tell you that for intense vaginal orgasms size does make a difference.

I know my regulars enjoy sex with me because of the "fit" and the physical chemistry between us and my number 1 believe it or not was even a little dick scared when we first met. LOL.

[QUOTE=Dangit;2046156] Crazy Horse. They refused admission, my drunk friend even flashed a bundle of 1 k notes. They just said don't need your money.
[/QUOTE]It's possible that you were not allowed entry not because you were Indian rather because your friend was drunk.

I am a sucker for middle aged French actresses like Juliette Binoche, Isabelle Huppert, Marion Cotillard, Isabelle Adjani to name just a few. I feel they combine a classic sense of style with an exquisite sensuality that comes from having lived an exciting life. I mention this in the context of a recent encounter.

I know and you all know what my specs and tastes are, slim and youngish with all original features in place especially the nose 555 LOL. I am nevertheless always on the lookout for something unusual and so wandered into the Chayo Phraya 2 soapie on Sri Ayudhya Rd a couple of days back, good move as I met up with an amazing lady in her mid 40's.

She was sitting in the 1800 Baht massage section, had on a black tailored two piece jacket and skirt, a short stylish hairstyle, legs crossed model like and was sitting alone towards the rear reading a book. I thought what the fuck is she doing here and quickly grabbed an attendant to call out her number. I paid the fee, waited for her to emerge and was a little surprised when she did, she was so petite, smaller than she looked in the fishbowl. I was so totally aroused as we walked hand in hand to the room.

See. P. 2 is old and way past its best but the rooms are still in good nick, good towels and linen and clean tubs. She was so laid back almost nonchalant as she prepared the bath. I lay on the bed finishing my Singha as she sat down beside me and we started chatting. Not great English but good enough to discover she was left high and dry by her cheating husband a year earlier after 10 years of marriage. She didn't work at see P often but sometimes got bored and or horny and usually needed the money.

She began to undress me slowly and when she first felt and then saw the hard on far from being dick scared she said wow I like. Her body was in great shape for a woman in her mid 40's and after the obligatory rub down in the tub which actually I don't actually like we had some really great sex.

I wanted more than I normally do with my picks (not my regulars mind you) that she have a really good time and as we both lay there exhausted I got the distinct impression that's exactly what she had.

I tipped her generously and as we said our goodbyes and gave each other a hug I thought this is different. LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2046975]It's possible that you were not allowed entry not because you were Indian rather because your friend was drunk.[/QUOTE]I am afraid that is not really correct. Some very drunk Farangs have been allowed in and were creating significant nuisance by standing up, moving around, crashing into tables and knocking drinks over. I would be happy if they were refused entry or asked to leave in a big hurry.

Perhaps drunks will be refused entry on occasion but not necessarily. It may not be noticed at first.

There was once an incident where a Japanese guy got upset, threw a glass, it missed the target and flew across the room smashing, and causing a cuts injury to at least one customer. Strangely the Japanese culprit was not evicted nor banned. That is a clear indicator of racial discrimination, is it not? If you are Japanese, you are royalty.

Several places don't allow entries to Indians as policy on weekends.

[QUOTE=Dangit;2046156]Hi,

Came across this site a year back and have been a lurker. Hate asking questions and enjoy reading FRs.

I do have my share of fun, not too frequent as my conscience gets in the way.

I am Indian and have seen how some of my country men behave.

It's a psychology thing.

1. Thailand in India has a really nasty reputation.

I visit for work and colleagues and family have their eyebrows raised everyone I mention the country's name..[/QUOTE]

Hi.

Any body knows if Kamagra Gells are available in pharmacies around nana again. When I left Bangkok 3 months ago couldn't find one, And all pharmacies told me that it was a temporary ban on imports from India.

Of course you could find them at that time in the street vendors, but those are all fakes. Thanks for any tips.

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[QUOTE=Dangit;2046156]Hi,
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1. Thailand in India has a really nasty reputation.
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[/QUOTE]LOL, seems to be a mutual thing, as you noticed yourself. India has a very bad reputation in thailand, too. And BTW. Also in switzerland, at least as far as the indian way of treating women is concerned.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2046880]
I am not suggesting 5 inches will not get the job done [/QUOTE]Considering we are talking about Bangkok hookers, not a wife or serious girlfriend, the "job" is to make me cum. My dick could be 1 inch and the sex lasting only 10 seconds for all that matters, as long as I cum, the job has been done. I don't give two shits if the girl gets off or not. I'm the one paying her. When she pays me, I'll start to care about her orgasms.

No more bragging about you tool size or how many orgasms you provided her with sphincter contractions to prove it. It's a job for them. Some are better actors than others. Start a separate thread for tall tales. Or send it to Penthouse letters, but They have their own writing staff. ISG is a forum for where to find it and how much it costs. A thing else gets scrolled through quickly and its author put on the ignore list. Read Steven Leather's story "Private Dancer" some insights there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2047276]Considering we are talking about Bangkok hookers, not a wife or serious girlfriend, the "job" is to make me cum. My dick could be 1 inch and the sex lasting only 10 seconds for all that matters, as long as I cum, the job has been done. I don't give two shits if the girl gets off or not. I'm the one paying her. When she pays me, I'll start to care about her orgasms.[/QUOTE]I apologize if I came across as trying to talk about myself although that seems to be the norm nowadays on the forum. I was simply aware of some members who have problems with dick scared girls and I just wanted to share my experience.

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2047198]So now we all know that you think your willie is big. So what? Mamma mia! Did you really think you were the only one realizing that the girls are afraid of size BECAUSE she might get hurt? God, I hate stupid big-mouths![/QUOTE]See your own handle man. Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? You have a problem if some other guy has a big dick? I am really happy to see Francis has turned over a new leaf and posting on various topics and not just negative posts.

Francis,

Jep is the correct pronunciation. Spelled with letter Jor Jaan. Assuring girls of being gentle works with some but for a good percentage has no effect. They still have the stiff straight legs.

Beijing,

I have got news for you that the forum has plenty of topics hopefully sexual, but where it is and cost maybe boring topics to others, especially the 2nd one. Have you got a complex? If you don't like long stories you can skip them. Others like the adventure stories of Kumbu. Some of us have not been reading Penthouse letters. I like real live girls personally.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2047285]No more bragging about you tool size or how many orgasms you provided her with sphincter contractions to prove it. It's a job for them. Some are better actors than others. Start a seperate thread for tall tales. Or send it to Penthouse letters, but They have their own writing staff. ISG is a forum for where to find it and how much it costs. A thing else gets scrolled through quickly and its author put on the ignore list. Read Steven Leather's story "Private Dancer" some insights there.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. A field report containing things like how the girl behaves during sex is very valuable information. Especially, concerning dick scared ladies and how to make them more comfortable. Whether you agree or not, this is an issue in Thailand. I monger quite a bit in the local Thai scene and this is the number 1 thing I hear the first time I meet one of the local beauties.

Secondly, reports that have a Penthouse letter style such as Kunbu's are very popular among the Thailand forum members and we don't need members like you discouraging people from posting valuable and enjoyable information. So take your own advice and use the ignore button but based on member feedback, you will be one of the only ones using that ignore button.

Late Sunday night I couldn't sleep so decided to head out just after midnight. You know when you get that itch and you have to get it scratched? That's how it goes for me sometimes concerning sex.

Anyways, I was in the mood for a freelancer as I thought, so I headed straight for Insanity on Soi 12 due to my regular haunt Climax being closed. The place looked closed because the restaurant at the front is being renovated so you must walk down the driveway on the left and enter from the back entrance. Entrance is 300 Baht and includes your first drink. As I was entering, a group of Indian guys were leaving and talking about how they were refused entry. The place was packed full of mostly tourists and ladies. The ladies consisted of the normal freelancers, some of the left over Thermae girls, and students. There was an obvious Japanese presence there being catered to by some of the girls. After a few drinks I got bored because I couldn't find a good target so I left.

I grabbed a taxi and told the driver to take me to Saphan Kwai. On the way, the driver and I got to talking and decided I would go to Mixx. It's located at the intercontinental Hotel opposite Central World. The crowd is more upscale and late. I arrived at about 1:45 AM and the club was only half full. It's open until 4 AM and filled up at 3 AM to full capacity. I ran into some of the ladies from Climax who were all dressed up trying to make themselves Mixx worthy. I started speaking to a Chinese Thai girl. We danced a little amd talked a little but I was not sure if she was a WG or not. She was there with a Cambodian friend and her boyfriend. The Cambodian girl was hot and hitting on me while her old boyfriend watched on. He grabbed her by the hand and actually dragged her out of Mixx. So that was the end of that story. Next, I was approached by a student with a white dress and nice big knockers. After introductions, she immediately asked if I wanted her to go with me. She said ST was 5,000 Baht. I countered with 4,000 but she wouldn't budge so I politely walked away. She was a classic sign of the clock watcher and pay upfront type of WG. Lousy service was inevitable so I'm glad I declined. Then I spotted the most gorgeous petite Thai girl with blond hair with her Thai friend. She had the most stunning body I have ever seen with natural be cups and an ass I would die for. She was smiling at me but there was just something not right about her. Clearly she was the hottest girl in the club but I didn't see one man approach her. Could be for a number of reasons. Her price was too high, bad provider, ladyboy but I doubt it, or not a WG. Anyways, my spider sense was going off so I decided to get out before my little head took over. I'm sure I would have given her 6-8 K.

It was about 3 AM now and I was on the verge of going home without satisfying my cravings. Called all my regulars with no luck so I decided to head to Saphan Kwai to see if anything was still going on. T-Ded looked closed but when they saw me coming they ushered me in. The lights were on but still many ladies hanging around after closing making last minute deals. I was told the girl I saw before was there and didn't have a customer. You know the one I said I wouldn't repeat because I didn't want to fall in love. The one I've already repeated with once already. She sees me and runs over giving me a big hub. We start DFKing right there in front of the other girls. She grabs my hands and puts them on her tits. Ok I'm sold. I pay the 2,500 amd off we go. In my room, I will just say it was a combination of a GFE and a PSE. I just love her natural tits and nice round ass. We did it like bunny rabbits in all positions until 6 AM. Called her a taxi and sent her home. I wanted to keep her for the rest of the day but I'm addicted so better to get her out. Then I realized she left a full unopened box of condoms on my night stand that we never got around to opening. My bad! But it was a good bad.

After that I grabbbed a couple of hours sleep and headed to a meeting at 10:00. By noon, I was feeling that itch again. I had a 4 hour break, what to do? I searched We Chat for a 3,000 Baht model but the one I found was workimg in the shopping mall until 6. I was in the mood for a 19 year old and saw that bamboo had one but no photo on the website. I texted but the only reply was book her please. I asked her to describe her first but no reply. I decided to head over there and check it out. They have a 2 hour VIP room for 2,600. Perfect for my weary hungover ass to relax in until my next meeting. Upon arriving amd checking the line up, I found it was mostly full of older ladies. The website listed the girl's name as PU. There was only 1 girl who looked 19 or 20. I asked the Moma if these were all the ladies and were there any busy upstairs. She said no and they were all here. I chose the only young girl but I was told her name was Sara not Pu. Obviously that was just a bait and switch lady on their site since they wanted me to book her without knowing what she looked like. Anyways, I was in the mood to relax amd have more fun. In the VIP room it started off slow. But as we started touching and foreplay this girl became a wild fuck machine. Let's just say she came multiple times and we fucked none stop for 90 minutes with one small break. Anyways, finished up and off to my next meeting. This lady is from Laos and should be working at Tulip not Bamboo. My feeling is Bamboo is going to close soon due to a lack of business. Would I repeat? No because her looks were about average but it was a worthwhile afternoon no holds barred experience if you can read between the lines.

So for those of you deciding on what to do in 12-14 hours, this is an example.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2046806]By definition, a "generalization" is not "totally" true. It's exactly as described. A generalization.

Is this particular generalization accurate? Hell, yes.[/QUOTE]

I disagree about generalizations about Indians being accurate. A few Indians I do know are no more stingy or prone to causing trouble than I am.

There's a huge difference between a useful generalization (say, Indians like to haggle) vs a outright racism racism (say, Indians are a waste of space). Plenty of Thai dislike for Indians is plain racism, nothing to do with avoiding trouble or making the business run smoother or be more profitable. It's not that hard for a bar to kick out people who don't buy a drink, or who are disruptive, they already do that on a daily basis.

Plenty of mongers of other races watch their money, and don't exactly buy drinks or pay for services at the crazy rate the bar owners would like to see, yet they are not denied entry.

Unfortunately, nothing can do about it, Indian mongers simply have to accept that Thais, especially in the nightlife industry, are racist about them. If I were them, I'd actually try to boycott and publicly shame business that do it (rather than trying to squeeze or beg my way in), and highlight ones that are more accepting.

[QUOTE=LoveSex22;2047172]Hi.

Any body knows if Kamagra Gells are available in pharmacies around nana again. When I left Bangkok 3 months ago couldn't find one, And all pharmacies told me that it was a temporary ban on imports from India.

Of course you could find them at that time in the street vendors, but those are all fakes. Thanks for any tips.[/QUOTE]Interesting comment about street vendors selling fakes. In January I bought a single pack of gel (I think it was Kamagra, some fruit flavor) and it worked quickly and effectively. In February I went to the same place and bought a 7-pack of the same stuff. It was totally ineffective, a waste of money. I'm done buying that sort of thing from street vendors.

An old friend of mine sold laboratory equipment to test the actual contents of pharmaceuticals. He once made a comment that North American and European generics are consistently the same as name brands. But, Asian generics are less reliable, and the worst are from India. That was about 15 years ago, perhaps the problem continues.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2047745]Interesting comment about street vendors selling fakes. In January I bought a single pack of gel (I think it was Kamagra, some fruit flavor) and it worked quickly and effectively. In February I went to the same place and bought a 7-pack of the same stuff. It was totally ineffective, a waste of money. I'm done buying that sort of thing from street vendors.[/QUOTE]Straight fakes aside; pharmaceuticals should be stored at moderate room temperatures. Baking for what could be months on the tables and in the storage bins of street vendors is far from that.

SL.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2047037]I am a sucker for middle aged French actresses like Juliette Binoche, Isabelle Huppert, Marion Cotillard, Isabelle Adjani to name just a few. I feel they combine a classic sense of style with an exquisite sensuality that comes from having lived an exciting life. I mention this in the context of a recent encounter.

I know and you all know what my specs and tastes are, slim and youngish with all original features in place especially the nose 555 LOL. I am nevertheless always on the lookout for something unusual and so wandered into the Chayo Phraya 2 soapie on Sri Ayudhya Rd a couple of days back, good move as I met up with an amazing lady in her mid 40's.

She was sitting in the 1800 Baht massage section, had on a black tailored two piece jacket and skirt, a short stylish hairstyle, legs crossed model like and was sitting alone towards the rear reading a book. I thought what the fuck is she doing here and quickly grabbed an attendant to call out her number. I paid the fee, waited for her to emerge and was a little surprised when she did, she was so petite, smaller than she looked in the fishbowl. I was so totally aroused as we walked hand in hand to the room..[/QUOTE]I read of your interesting time spent with this Thai MILF and would like to share a similar experience with her during my next visit to BKK. Can you let me know her number and name she used at Chao Phraya 2 soupie? Thanks!

[QUOTE=BungeeMan;2047857]I read of your interesting time spent with this Thai MILF and would like to share a similar experience with her during my next visit to BKK. Can you let me know her number and name she used at Chao Phraya 2 soupie? Thanks![/QUOTE]I know it's extremely irritating to read a post without being able to know who the lady in question is but I didn't keep a note of her number. However the fishbowl at the soapie in question is divided into 3 or 4 sections and is on the right as you enter. The older ladies sit at the end and the lady is question sat at the back on the top tier. She wore a black two piece over a white blouse and has short hair which in itself distinguishes her somewhat. Now she doesn't work there a lot but I suggest you pop into the place anyway and who knows you just might get lucky with somebody else if you don't recognize I her. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

After many years of going out or in-call with Thai girls, I decided to try something different. Decided to call a Russian girl, 30 years old from an SP who had been referred to me. Though I have had many Russian girls in Moscow and St Petersburg, this was a first for me outside Russia.

The lady arrived on time and was very clean, like most Thai girls. Excellent attitude and decent English. She spent 3 hours with me. Showered together, BBBJ and FS (2 shots) cost was US $ 150.

Very new experience and will definitely go back to her next time.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2047613] It's not that hard for a bar to kick out people who don't buy a drink, or who are disruptive, they already do that on a daily basis.
[/QUOTE]Nah, it's too much trouble to eject people once they are in. It's far easier to stop them entering (doesn't mean it is right). I was stopped from entering Bacarra unless I bought drinks first. No way. I could have decided to leave very quickly if I did not like it. I would not be a waste of space for a long duration. However I did not want to buy drinks before seeing if there was any talent at all, and making sure there was somewhere reasonable to sit.

[QUOTE]
Plenty of mongers of other races watch their money, and don't exactly buy drinks or pay for services at the crazy rate the bar owners would like to see, yet they are not denied entry.
[/QUOTE]That is correct although drink prices are not that bad given that it is really an entertainment charge. 170 Baht. Some bars are charging 200 for lady drinks. I saw a Farang sit on a bottle of water for a long time. He hardly drank any of it so never needed another drink. Definitely a waste of space. If customers are a waste of space and try to attend regularly, they may well be denied entry (known non spenders).

There are a lot of staff to be paid their salary somehow, and they want to make a profit. Freeloaders are not welcome.

Drink sales is the main source of money. Barfines are somewhat more minor I would guess. Only a percentage of the girls get barfined each night. Plenty of the customers are not barfining a girl, and that often includes myself. I have barfined a girl perhaps only 4 times this year. Only my regular girls and not every visit. My regulars are often missing. They don't work consistently. All had been away on holidays.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2048411]I have barfined a girl perhaps only 4 times this year. [/QUOTE]And it was Amazon looking chick "Ice" from Crazy House you bar fined all 4 of those times? If so, Good choice. Every guy should bar fine her at least 4 times.

Was at Crazy House last night. Sweetie slim brown sugar Jane #4 is back after a long hiatus to the province. She was dancing and flashed a big smile. As soon as her dance round finished she came down with two other girls, one of whom she introduced as Fon (it was something like Namfon as the full name) and claimed she was her half-sister just 2 days in the bar. I was actually in not much mood for a take-out, but Fon was the slim flat-chested type that I prefer, so decided to buy them a tequila and make acquaintances. Fon was shy and still not ready to dance naked, so I had to feel under her pink bikini for her little slit. I could tell she was fresh into CH as Jane had to teach her how to put the lady drink chit onto her bracelet. I wasn't going to test drive a newbie, but Fon kept flashing me shy smiles. Jane could tell that I was interested and, after quite a bit of chit-chat between the two, I confirmed that Fon was up for a short time. There was a lot of negotiation as Jane wanted me to barfine both of them so that she could tag along, but I couldn't see any value to that. So more chit-chat with Jane telling her where I would take her (Asoke Place short time hotel) and probably that there is nothing to worry, we confirmed the barfine. Another round of tequilas to make Fon less nervous, and we were off.

To make a long story short, after a bit of chit-chat on the bed with Google Translate, got comfy with the 19 yo newbie. I was nervous this was going to be a newbie flop, but after shower onto the bed and newbie Fon warmed up really really quickly. A couple pecks turned into DFK. Her legs opened up like a morning flower and the juices were flowing. Finger clit and she was moaning. Down for DATY and more moaning. Okay BBBJ. Then she put her legs back where her knees tucked in under her shoulders. The fuck was without abandonment. She might have claimed that it was her first CH barfine but there was definitely some mileage on her pussy odometer. The more I pounded, the more she was riled up. Mish. Doggy. Cowgirl. For the guys that worry about dick-scared Japanese-lovers, Fon definitely lives up to her half-sister's family pride. For Jane #4 lovers, you will will know what I mean.

Didn't see that Fon had a number, but suspect that she will be hanging close to sis and working as a duo. Worth a spin if that is your type. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2047499]Late Sunday night I couldn't sleep so decided to head out just after midnight. You know when you get that itch and you have to get it scratched? That's how it goes for me sometimes concerning sex.

[/QUOTE]Wow! I need to look at your reports the next time I fly in to BKK!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2048411] I saw a Farang sit on a bottle of water for a long time. He hardly drank any of it so never needed another drink. Definitely a waste of space. If customers are a waste of space and try to attend regularly, they may well be denied entry (known non spenders).

There are a lot of staff to be paid their salary somehow, and they want to make a profit. Freeloaders are not welcome.[/QUOTE]What if, like you, that Farang didn't want to waste his money on more drinks unless or until he saw and perceived better and more promising talent show up? The responsibility for making this transaction a rewarding one for both sides falls both ways. It doesn't just fall onto the customer.

I have spent (wasted) plenty of money on drinks in bars where it eventually turned out the bar and staff were the freeloaders, not me, wasting space, my time and my money. In fact, on balance, I would say the freeloaders are far more likely to be on the bars' side, not on the customers' side. And it is certainly not on my side even though I assure you there are times when I am inclined to sit on one drink for a long time and wait.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2048697]What if, like you, that Farang didn't want to waste his money on more drinks unless or until he saw and perceived better and more promising talent show up? The responsibility for making this transaction a rewarding one for both sides falls both ways. It doesn't just fall onto the customer.

I have spent (wasted) plenty of money on drinks in bars where it eventually turned out the bar and staff were the freeloaders, not me, wasting space, my time and my money. In fact, on balance, I would say the freeloaders are far more likely to be on the bars' side, not on the customers' side. And it is certainly not on my side even though I assure you there are times when I am inclined to sit on one drink for a long time and wait.[/QUOTE]Not really sure what you mean by the bar / staff being 'freeloaders'. The idea behind these bars is that you don't pay a cover charge. If your intent is to go in and just sit and watch the talent, then I see no reason why you shouldn't have to buy a few drinks. The thing is, even if you just get a water or coke and milk that for a while they won't kick you out for the most part. They may make you feel uncomfortable but force is rarely used to remove someone who is trying to get a free or extremely cheap ogle of the talent. Some of these places can get extremely packed which can turn off actual paying customers (typically the 'freeloaders' are less likely to mind minimal elbow room). If you're waiting around for something better than the right thing to do is to just come back later and see if things change, otherwise you should contribute to the bar and services.

[QUOTE=LoveSex22;2047172]Hi.

Any body knows if Kamagra Gells are available in pharmacies around nana again. When I left Bangkok 3 months ago couldn't find one, And all pharmacies told me that it was a temporary ban on imports from India.[/QUOTE]The pharmacy directly across the street from Nana had them yesterday.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;2048485]Was at Crazy House last night. Sweetie slim brown sugar Jane #4 is back after a long hiatus to the province. She was dancing and flashed a big smile. As soon as her dance round finished she came down with two other girls, one of whom she introduced as Fon (it was something like Namfon as the full name) and claimed she was her half-sister just 2 days in the bar. I was actually in not much mood for a take-out, but Fon was the slim flat-chested type that I prefer, so decided to buy them a tequila and make acquaintances. Fon was shy and still not ready to dance naked, so I had to feel under her pink bikini for her little slit. I could tell she was fresh into CH as Jane had to teach her how to put the lady drink chit onto her bracelet. I wasn't going to test drive a newbie, but Fon kept flashing me shy smiles. Jane could tell that I was interested and, after quite a bit of chit-chat between the two, I confirmed that Fon was up for a short time. There was a lot of negotiation as Jane wanted me to barfine both of them so that she could tag along, but I couldn't see any value to that. So more chit-chat with Jane telling her where I would take her (Asoke Place short time hotel) and probably that there is nothing to worry, we confirmed the barfine. Another round of tequilas to make Fon less nervous, and we were off.

To make a long story short, after a bit of chit-chat on the bed with Google Translate, got comfy with the 19 yo newbie. I was nervous this was going to be a newbie flop, but after shower onto the bed and newbie Fon warmed up really really quickly. A couple pecks turned into DFK. Her legs opened up like a morning flower and the juices were flowing. Finger clit and she was moaning. Down for DATY and more moaning. Okay BBBJ. Then she put her legs back where her knees tucked in under her shoulders. The fuck was without abandonment. She might have claimed that it was her first CH barfine but there was definitely some mileage on her pussy odometer. The more I pounded, the more she was riled up. Mish. Doggy. Cowgirl. For the guys that worry about dick-scared Japanese-lovers, Fon definitely lives up to her half-sister's family pride. For Jane #4 lovers, you will will know what I mean.

Didn't see that Fon had a number, but suspect that she will be hanging close to sis and working as a duo. Worth a spin if that is your type. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Jane was my last girl at CH. She has been back since school started up. Thanks for the recommendatoon. I might consider trying Fon.

What does getting "riled up" mean? I thought it meant angry ir annoyed at least.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2048748]Not really sure what you mean by the bar / staff being 'freeloaders'. The idea behind these bars is that you don't pay a cover charge. If your intent is to go in and just sit and watch the talent, then I see no reason why you shouldn't have to buy a few drinks. The thing is, even if you just get a water or coke and milk that for a while they won't kick you out for the most part. They may make you feel uncomfortable but force is rarely used to remove someone who is trying to get a free or extremely cheap ogle of the talent. Some of these places can get extremely packed which can turn off actual paying customers (typically the 'freeloaders' are less likely to mind minimal elbow room). If you're waiting around for something better than the right thing to do is to just come back later and see if things change, otherwise you should contribute to the bar and services.[/QUOTE]Syzy described a Farang who bought a drink in a bar as a freeloader. Therefore, he has contributed something to the bar; he bought a drink. It isn't really "free" for him. The bar version of a freeloader wouldn't mean no one in the bar is doing anything at all. It is simply that they might not have earned a reason for him to buy another drink. And it is entirely possible that he is waiting to see if there will be a good reason to do so any minute.

Have you ever looked into a bar, seen a couple of likely candidates on stage, gone in and bought a drink only to find out those two lovelies are already tethered to other customers in a back booth? Perhaps they both get barfined and out they go? I have. So you wait to see who else shows up. The theory is that the best girls in most bars are so busy getting barfined you might be under the impression they don't even work there unless you arrive early. But they might return any minute. So you wait.

Now, your idea is that I should buy drink after drink through a series of lesser girls not even close to a proper candidate while I wait to see if a more interesting girl returns or shows up, right? Or maybe I should finish up that first drink, go away for an hour or so and then come back in, buy another drink and wait some more? Uh. No, I won't be doing that. The most I am willing to do when I have committed to sitting at a bar to buy a drink and have not yet seen or felt a likely candidate show up in this dance set or the next one or the next one is to buy as few drinks as possible until or unless something interesting enough to engage has shown up. And that might indeed mean only one drink over a 90 minute period.

Or, the bar management and staff could work a bit harder at providing more than 2-3 lookers and / or performers who might get scooped up and leave very little of interest left on the stage. Then I'll buy more drinks for myself and for the girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049161]Syzy described a Farang who bought a drink in a bar as a freeloader. Therefore, he has contributed something to the bar; he bought a drink. It isn't really "free" for him. The bar version of a freeloader wouldn't mean no one in the bar is doing anything at all. It is simply that they might not have earned a reason for him to buy another drink. And it is entirely possible that he is waiting to see if there will be a good reason to do so any minute.

Have you ever looked into a bar, seen a couple of likely candidates on stage, gone in and bought a drink only to find out those two lovelies are already tethered to other customers in a back booth? Perhaps they both get barfined and out they go? I have. So you wait to see who else shows up. The theory is that the best girls in most bars are so busy getting barfined you might be under the impression they don't even work there unless you arrive early. But they might return any minute. So you wait.

Now, your idea is that I should buy drink after drink through a series of lesser girls not even close to a proper candidate while I wait to see if a more interesting girl returns or shows up, right? Or maybe I should finish up that first drink, go away for an hour or so and then come back in, buy another drink and wait some more? Uh. No, I won't be doing that. The most I am willing to do when I have committed to sitting at a bar to buy a drink and have not yet seen or felt a likely candidate show up in this dance set or the next one or the next one is to buy as few drinks as possible until or unless something interesting enough to engage has shown up. And that might indeed mean only one drink over a 90 minute period.

Or, the bar management and staff could work a bit harder at providing more than 2-3 lookers and / or performers who might get scooped up and leave very little of interest left on the stage. Then I'll buy more drinks for myself and for the girls.[/QUOTE]It's a bar first and what you normally do in a bar is drink. These places make their money off the people who come there to drink. Having a bar full of customers who nurse a single SML for 90 minutes isn't going to encourage them to pay agencies more to increase their talent pool. If you want hotter women then you need to contribute to the bar, plain and simple which is why the Japanese / Korean bars have the best talent. Those guys really know how to have a good time at a bar.

I've always been a fan of soapies, but haven't had a chance to go for a while. I used to go to Nataree (before it closed down) and Annies (before the talent went down and the prices up). I was glad to find out recently thanks to a forum post that there's an upscale place like Mitu on Suk 33, and decided to give it a chance.

Short version: it's overpriced.

Long version:

Good points: The location is easy to find and not too far from the BTS. The staff is super friendly, and you even get a free ice cream after your session. The rooms are clean and pretty big, and most of all the air con is not freezing, which tends to be the case in too many massages places.

Average points. You get to choose from a menu on an iPad (actually, they show you their online page and you scroll down) so you don't see the girls in real life before you choose them. I asked Papasan who was there, he pointed out 4 girls and recommended the 1st one. I followed his advice and chose Faris. To me, she looks like a far cousin from the girl on the pictures. She's heavier, very average looking, but nice smile (braces) and a good personality. She speaks little English, but enough. I would not have chosen her if gotten the chance to see a lineup. After a shower, we went into soapie mode on a good air mattress. I was lying on my front, and that part was amazing. Finally a true soapy experience, she knew what she was doing and doing it well. After about 7 minutes, she turned me around, and this takes us to the *negative points* section.

Negative points. From the time I was on my back, she went straight to BBBJ, which was good but not amazing. After a mn or two of playing with my dick, it became pretty mechanical. After a while I stopped her and asked for the soapie to resume, expecting her to rub her body on my front. She pretended not to understand, and answered *HJ or BJ? I insisted a bit and then gave up. I made sure 2 pops were on the menu, went back to BBBJ mode for my 1st pop. Shower, and on the the bed. She sits in front of me and tells me *OK, sex? I tell her *massage first?* Again, she pretends not to understand. I just came 5 mn ago, I need some time to recover, but decide to give it a try. As soon as my finger touches her arm, she starts to moan like she's about to come. Turn off. This goes on for while: we kiss, I touch her body, but she's not moving, not taking any initiative except for the fake moans, and I'm not getting hard. It's starting to get embarrassing, so I tell her *no can, it's OK*. She decides to gives me what turns out to be a pretty good traditional back massage, until she finally tells me my time in over.

Super Negative points. So I pretty much got a very good half body soapie for 7 mn, an ok BJ and a good normal massage from an average girl. For 3700 bath! It was a nice experience, but in no way worth that much money. On top of that, the 75 mn you get for that price would IMO be way to short if you enjoy the girl and the session, as so much time is lost on showers (3, in my case! Before soapie, after soapie, after final massage. And you can expect a 4th one after sex if you manage to do 2 pops).

All in all, I would not repeat, but I really like that some place are keeping the soapie massage alive. If anyone has a recommendation for a better one, I would love to give it a try.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049161]Or, the bar management and staff could work a bit harder at providing more than 2-3 lookers and / or performers who might get scooped up and leave very little of interest left on the stage. Then I'll buy more drinks for myself and for the girls.[/QUOTE]If that was easy, every bar would be full of gorgeous chicks. Obviously there is a limited supply. The best 3 lookers in CH in my opinion are gone. They have not been able to replace them with like beauties.

There is a limit to how long a guy can sit on 1 drink before he becomes a waste of space interfering with money making given limited seats and all seats being taken. This does happen in a busy bar like Crazy or Bacarra. If the guy wants to be entertained for 3 hours, that might not be reasonable. If his visit is 30 to 40 minutes, then fine. We can't expect him to be more thirsty than 1 drink. I don't know if the bar has a line where they the think x drinks per hour is reasonable.

Baccara used the tactic to expect customers to part with x amount up front before entering to prevent waste of space customers. It stopped me from entering since I did not expect the entertainment to be good enough. I could easily decide to leave within 5 minutes.

Some bars don't actually have anything I would describe as entertainment and Crazy House even has disentertainment shows where fat ugly girls do an ugly show, and take up a sympathy collection afterwards. I don't watch those ugly shows nor tip for them.

A bar could not survive if it was filled with customer's drinking water buying neither lady drinks or bar fining but equally a customer should not be hustled into buying drinks every 15 minutes as he checks out the talent. It's a free show and patrons should be aware they need to ante up if they intend staying on. Both management and customers need to be reasonable. No doubt there are freeloaders hanging around only to ogle the girls and I have no problem with refusing them entry or asking them to buy another drink but by the same token I cannot excuse the over aggressive hustling for example I find in Crazy Horse.

Will be in BKK during Khao Phansa. July 8-10. Will anything be open? I assume SC and Nana will be closed. ? What about the MPs? Or a place like Thermae? Want to know what I can expect.

First time in BKK during a Buddhist holiday and want to know if there'll be any action. I'm staying near Asoke BTS.

[QUOTE=Romannico;2049196]I've always been a fan of soapies, but haven't had a chance to go for a while. I used to go to Nataree (before it closed down) and Annies (before the talent went down and the prices up). I was glad to find out recently thanks to a forum post that there's an upscale place like Mitu on Suk 33, and decided to give it a chance.

Short version: it's overpriced.

Long version:

Good points: The location is easy to find and not too far from the BTS. The staff is super friendly, and you even get a free ice cream after your session. The rooms are clean and pretty big, and most of all the air con is not freezing, which tends to be the case in too many massages places.

Average points. You get to choose from a menu on an iPad (actually, they show you their online page and you scroll down) so you don't see the girls in real life before you choose them. I asked Papasan who was there, he pointed out 4 girls and recommended the 1st one. I followed his advice and chose Faris. To me, she looks like a far cousin from the girl on the pictures. She's heavier, very average looking, but nice smile (braces) and a good personality. She speaks little English, but enough. I would not have chosen her if gotten the chance to see a lineup. After a shower, we went into soapie mode on a good air mattress. I was lying on my front, and that part was amazing. Finally a true soapy experience, she knew what she was doing and doing it well. After about 7 minutes, she turned me around, and this takes us to the *negative points* section..[/QUOTE]I've been to MITU 2 x now and in both instances I pre-booked. The first time with Ai who was great and the 2nd time with Nina who was even better. Both ladies really know how to work it on those air mattresses. They also have that tentative approach that made Thailand such a popular place for such a thing. They aimed to please during my sessions.

The thing with these places that are more Japanese centric is that the ranking system on their sites are actually moderately useful. Whenever I've went to one and chosen their top ladies, the service has always either met expectations or exceeded them.

I often get self conscious about my lack of drink consumption. I'm not there for a buzz: I start with Cokes and eventually just buy water. The former last at least 30 minutes, the latter almost infinitely long as I really don't care for water. I've never been pressured to buy another, but then I never sit with an empty glass since I kill it just before leaving. I usually don't even unseal the water, trying to tell the waitress not to so it can be reused. I feel this is keeping the bars in business. Or, more likely, the waitresses hydrated. It's a tough concept to get across in Thailand. I do better with it in AC.

Had about a week in BKK after briefer stops in AC and Pattaya, for me the best sequence as one goes from the desert to the absolute rain forest of BJ bars and oilies. Best to save the best for last.

Oilies: A couple of sessions with Ninja at Snow White. Possibly cuter than six months ago, about the best looks / service ratio that I've found recently. Paid in advance but don't know if that is standard there or if I looked like I wouldn't survive the session. I cannot keep the places that do and do not have that policy straight as it has never bit me in the butt (that probably costs extra) but I know that there are those here who are very keen on the issue.

BJ's: hit Som's, The Place Whose Name We May Not Mention, and Kasalong. No newfound gems to fail to track down for seconds as is my curse. I take first in queue and for what it's worth the best results were from a fat chick at Som's. Had to be good to overcome that severe handicap. Definitely not fat shaming here because that would be wrong.

Bars: Two Crazy House visits. First was on a Thursday and it was for some reason packed to the rafters. Maybe they didn't open the upstairs? Tons of dancers but it was quantity over quality. Way too many tats. I finally spotted one nice butt under a relatively tat-free back. Then she turned sideways. Were those severe stretch marks? No, it was a belly tat. A big belly tat (tat big, belly not), but decent face. I was almost on my way out so I chatted very, very briefly (given my dearth of Thai, that is a given) but determined that she was working the next night. Returned then and found that the packed house had also hidden the hideous full thigh tattoo. Fortunately she did not see or recognize me. Did not return. In her defense I suppose if you're going to get a tat you should be able to appreciate it so one on the front is the way to go unless you have a complex mirror setup or closed circuit TV.

Sharks had a great lineup but the Object of my Lust whom I barfined a couple of times last visit was not there. She had predicted that but this was a hell of a time for a BG to be good to her word. The obnoxious little creep whom I talked with once last visit, who then continued to pester me for tips every night just for the honor of seeing her at the door, was there, though, and of course recognized me. She's one of what at normal bars would be the coyotes outside but in Shark's case they seem to be a step below the inside crew. What is it, the retirement village? Another of them sat down beside me and after a while did the Grand Wave, the motion that somewhere else might mean, "Look at the vast panorama of the Alps". Here, of course, it means, "Look at the moderately attractive women on the stage! You want lady?

I declined, saying that I was looking for someone. Who? She set off to inquire and came back with two answers in rapid succession: She still worked there; she didn't still work there. The Ecstasy and the Agony. I tipped her for her efforts. Big mistake. We were best of friends for the remainder of my stay. I would find a seat and soon find her beside me. In truth, I did buy a couple of LD's, sort of hoping that she might divulge my dream girl's location. Then it got creepy. Did I love Dream Girl? Did I want to move to Thailand and marry her?

Do you love me?

Will you love me forever?

Do you need me?

Will you never leave me?

Will you make me so happy for the rest of my life?

Will you take me away and will you make me your wife?

I am not underweight so those lines were even more scarily apropos. If this makes no sense to you you don't know quality music.

This was clearly all about Dream Girl, not her (only on the last night did she suggest we do dinner on my next trip), so I had the feeling that she knew EXACTLY how to contact her and I was being vetted as at least a sponsor. Unlike Meatloaf, I did not bite. Very frustrating.

Suzie Wong's seems to be on a long dry spell of hotness. Naked is only good if it is something one wants to look at in the first place.

On to Nana. Billboard has some cuties, though anyplace that can cram that many dancers onto the stage will almost have to have one or two. I believe the obnoxious mamasan whom I walked out on last visit was still there. They may need to pay their water bill eventually as the tub girls were standing about ankle deep in water. A lot like the raft of the grounded Medusa but with less cannibalism. French guys may get that.

I visited Rainbow 4 or 5 (depends on if you look at the signs inside or outside). Got there early and was one of three customers. Dancers were above average and WAY below average in tats per square foot / metre / furlong. Had my traditional soda water instead of Coca Cola beverage order error. After twenty minutes place was packed and I believe I was the only westerner there. Still, I felt welcome though I don't know how successful a BF attempt would have been.

Next door at Twisters there was about the same quality. Maybe a few lower grade ones but again, like Billboard, they had the numbers to overcome that. It was one of the bars where the girls took their phones onstage, stuffing them in the bottoms or somehow getting them to stick in their tops' straps. Did they use adhesive? Those things would have to be suffocatingly tight to keep a slippery phone from falling. The other issue is phone size. "Does this phone make my butt look big?" A big girl would need a big phone to keep the proportions right or, in dire cases, to keep it from disappearing into the butt crack altogether. Not sure what IP rating would be needed for that but I bet the IP68 would not come close. One girl there probably should have used a tablet instead. Like I said, there were some lower grade ones.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2049235]If that was easy, every bar would be full of gorgeous chicks. Obviously there is a limited supply. The best 3 lookers in CH in my opinion are gone. They have not been able to replace them with like beauties.[/QUOTE]Well, Syzy, as usual you focused entirely on the girls' looks. But I did not:

"Or, the bar management and staff could work a bit harder at providing more than 2-3 lookers and / or performers".

Some bars could be loaded with beauties but virtually all of them behaving as though the customer is a chump worth little more than as a lady drink hustle target. That would be a classic example of a Bangkok go-go bar staffed by "freeloaders", considering the draw is to connect with a lady for more than oogling and that is the draw they are gaming customers with to put butts in the booths. Now, somebody, either the management, the girls themselves, the "culture" in that bar or all of the above is responsible for promoting, encouraging and allowing that vibe. Do I owe that bar a drink purchase every 15-20 minutes while I am generously giving of my time and presence on the off chance that a girl worth buying a Lady Drink for and barfining might emerge from the pack any minute now?

Nope.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049433]Some bars could be loaded with beauties but virtually all of them behaving as though the customer is a chump worth little more than as a lady drink hustle target. That would be a classic example of a Bangkok go-go bar staffed by "freeloaders", considering the draw is to connect with a lady for more than oogling and that is the draw they are gaming customers with to put butts in the booths. Now, somebody, either the management, the girls themselves, the "culture" in that bar or all of the above is responsible for promoting, encouraging and allowing that vibe. Do I owe that bar a drink purchase every 15-20 minutes while I am generously giving of my time and presence on the off chance that a girl worth buying a Lady Drink for and barfining might emerge from the pack any minute now?
Nope.[/QUOTE]I'd say that most bars are that way now, which is why I avoid GoGos like the plague. Not to mention the fact that the action from most gals in GoGos mirrors the hustle of the bar. Just not worth the money or the time IMHO.
If I want to look at hot gals then I head to the malls in central BKK. You'll see far hotter gals there then you will in any GoGo.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2049173]It's a bar first and what you normally do in a bar is drink. These places make their money off the people who come there to drink. Having a bar full of customers who nurse a single SML for 90 minutes isn't going to encourage them to pay agencies more to increase their talent pool. If you want hotter women then you need to contribute to the bar, plain and simple which is why the Japanese / Korean bars have the best talent. Those guys really know how to have a good time at a bar.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is a bar. But the draw to a Bangkok go-go bar isn't to get top shelf cocktails at a reasonable price, to look at pretty ladies or to marvel at the latest dance trends. It is to get laid. Bar "freeloaders", if not outright scammers, are in charge when that stops being the focus of a Bangkok go-go bar while they're pestering us to buy another drink and another one ASAP. Some bar management/staff "freeloaders" with regard to this obvious mission try to fool customers into thinking they're going to get laid with the agency ladies they hire these days when it is very likely they won't. Personally, I hope their funds to hire more agency girls dries up as fast as possible and wish other customers would stop falling for the scam and paying into that fund to keep it going.

What I've heard sh*t-faced drunk Japanese/Korean customers settle for in their private talent encounters sounds to me like nothing I would pay 500 baht for much less want to become standard operating procedure with the girls I hire out of go-go bars or any other venue for ST/LT.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049512]try to fool customers into thinking they're going to get laid with the agency ladies they hire these days when it is very likely they won't.[/QUOTE]Other than the Arab's bars is this common in BKK gogo clubs? Rainbow, Baccara, Twister, Billboard?

I'm a Pattaya gogo guy and don't get the same sense in Pattaya. The only club in Pattaya I have run into agency girls who will not BF or will BF and not screw is Sapphire. Another ISG member who I was with tried his hardest over 2 nights to BF a super hot Sapphire girl. Money was no object. She wouldn't go for any price. I BF another Sapphire girl and she wouldn't fuck, possibly because she was a good friend of my ex.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2049521]Other than the Arab's bars is this common in BKK go-go clubs? Rainbow, Baccara, Twister, Billboard?
[/QUOTE]I have read a number of reports about Buy Me Drink only agency girls in varous BKK Go Go's, but so far I have NEVER met one in any bar other than the aforementioned "Arab's" bars. Mandarin, with its 1500 bt barfine agency girls and Kings Castle 1 & 2, with their 1800 bt barfine agency girls are most often cited as having BMD only girls on premises. But on my last trip in March & April:

1) I barfined one of the hotter Mandarin agency girls, a very sexy 18-year-old lesbian. There was no question of her not barfining. The only issue was whether she would go to my hotel or we do a ST hotel inside Nana. But when I told the mamasan no deal if not my hotel, that was the end of the discussion. Initially I did not know my little Mandarin princess was a lesbian with a blond crew cut Tom "boyfriend". She volunteered that info while we were getting friendly on the couch in my living room at the Fraser. Things started out slow with that one until I went down on her. Then after a wet and slurpy DATY prelude, she showed me a pretty good time. Did I mentioned that she was gorgeous and 18?

2) Over in King's Castle 2, I barfined 2 different young, agency girls on two successive nights. Again, there was no question about either one of them not barfining and I had a really good time with both of my KC girls because each one in their own way gave 110% of themselves back in my loom.

3) I have NEVER had a barfine problem in Twister, my new favorite bar; CH, my old favorite bar; Baccara, my old, old favorite bar; Shark, or any of the Rainbow bars. Never! Is this an anomaly? Am I just lucky? I think not, although I am pretty sure a few BM's will now post about their experiences with BMD only girls around town and many of these posts will be very negative. In any case, I will continue to rely on my experiences. I don't know why I continue to have really good times with BKK Go Go girls both old friends & new liasons while some other Board Members' seem to have nothing but problems and I don't really care why. I am already planning to spend a few more extra nights than on my last trip in a hotel closer to Patpong for easier access to the KC bars due to the excellent talent there albeit at an outageous barfine price.

In any case, I know without a doubt in my mind that I when I am back in the field hunting for hot, sexy little spinners in Twister, CH, Billboard, Mandarin, KC, the Rainbows or anywhere that I think the talent lies, I will continue to have great times in BKK. On my last trip - my first night ever in Twister, for example, I met a sexy little twister. By our 3rd rendezvous she was bringing her girl friends along to my hotel (no barfine) for afternoon pool parties, lunch, and 3 way boom booms. I ended up shagging two of her best friends as well as her, my original twister many, many times. Then her mother got sick and I lost track of her for two weeks. No problemo. I met another little twister who was even more fun in bed. Then my original little twister resurfaced and we had a Tequila reunion party. And that is just a few small examples of what is available in BKK Go Go's. The bottom line is: I did not have one bad ride with any GO GO girl on my March/April 5.5 week visit. In fact, I was very blue to leave BKK this time around ... until my jet landed in Jakarta approximately 3 hours later, ha ha, but that is another story that belongs in the Jakarta forum.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2049521]Other than the Arab's bars is this common in BKK gogo clubs? Rainbow, Baccara, Twister, Billboard?

I'm a Pattaya gogo guy and don't get the same sense in Pattaya. The only club in Pattaya I have run into agency girls who will not BF or will BF and not screw is Sapphire. Another ISG member who I was with tried his hardest over 2 nights to BF a super hot Sapphire girl. Money was no object. She wouldn't go for any price. I BF another Sapphire girl and she wouldn't fuck, possibly because she was a good friend of my ex.[/QUOTE]Bb,

There are very defintely agency Coyote girls that are officially not available for sex outside of the Arab bars.

It is wise to ask Coyote girls if they are available. You may recall my Coyote girl in Twisters that was not available for sex. The DJ was her BF. She could be barfined to take her to eat.

Since she split from her BF she is potentially available for sex. However still doesn't want to fuck me as yet. Says she is used to small dicks. Never had a Farang as yet. I don't know if it was true. She seemed to have big saggy tits so I wanted to try her.

Another Stunning Coyote Palm at Mercury was very popular and got BFed by customers to take her to RCA. However not available for sex otherwise I would have BFed her myself. In the right circumstance, who knows? Probably not young and handsome enough. She is long gone. I would still be going to Mercury if she was there. I would buy her drinks even with no prospect of a fuck. She was that much better than the field. Tall slim curvy model with stunning face. A 10. She could make money without fucking. So why fuck if you don't need to.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2049580]She seemed to have big saggy tits so I wanted to try her.[/QUOTE]Syzygies, I can't believe it! You, of all BKK punters, want to try some big saggies? Say its not true. 555.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2049580]
Another Stunning Coyote Palm at Mercury was very popular and got BFed by customers to take her to RCA. However not available for sex otherwise I would have BFed her myself. [/QUOTE]For some reason or other I never spent much time in Mercury and never barfined from there.

The closest I have come to a girl like the one you describe above was in Shanghai Bar in Phnom Penh. She was a beautiful Khmer girl with a very pleasing disposition. We had a number of tequilas before I brought up the barfine. She said she was available for a barfine to go dancing or something else, but not for boom boom. That killed my interest in her on the spot, although if I had been living in Phnom, I might have taken her out on a "date" thinking sooner or later I would get her into my bed. She was a very attractive BMD hostess girl. All I know is somebody or somebody plural is doing her right now, so if I had the time to bring her along, why not me too?

Many posters have mentioned having good luck with students and young women in shopping malls. Can anyone recommend a good mall to pick up young beauties? Also, can someone recommend a good sport to meet students?

Thank you,

Canyon.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049512]Yes, it is a bar. But the draw to a Bangkok go-go bar isn't to get top shelf cocktails at a reasonable price, to look at pretty ladies or to marvel at the latest dance trends. It is to get laid. Bar "freeloaders", if not outright scammers, are in charge when that stops being the focus of a Bangkok go-go bar while they're pestering us to buy another drink and another one ASAP. Some bar management/staff "freeloaders" with regard to this obvious mission try to fool customers into thinking they're going to get laid with the agency ladies they hire these days when it is very likely they won't. Personally, I hope their funds to hire more agency girls dries up as fast as possible and wish other customers would stop falling for the scam and paying into that fund to keep it going.

What I've heard sh*t-faced drunk Japanese/Korean customers settle for in their private talent encounters sounds to me like nothing I would pay 500 baht for much less want to become standard operating procedure with the girls I hire out of go-go bars or any other venue for ST/LT.[/QUOTE]Look mate I get this is what you and others may want but its no longer the reality. A little while back, Asian customers started to flock to Thailand and they have slowly become the dominant customer base, and from the bar and girl's perspective the majority prefer them over farangs. The model you speak of, the bars being just a place for the service providers to work and meet customers, is fading. They can do this online now and reach a much wider audience.

The current model at more and more agogos is more of a lounge style where drinking and partying with a girl in the bar is a large part of the experience. I am guessing the bar encourages this by pushing their ladies to do their best to service the customers who want to have a good time. This has resulted in the type that will ditch a guy if he doesn't appear to be someone out to have a few drinks first.

The increase in agency coyote girls is also a sign that this model is more favored. Many of these ladies, especially the best looking ones, are able to get a nice base salary plus drink commissions which can often net them 6 figures per month. Look for this trend to continue until these bars are nothing more than non-P4P hostess lounges.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2049676]Many posters have mentioned having good luck with students and young women in shopping malls. Can anyone recommend a good mall to pick up young beauties? Also, can someone recommend a good sport to meet students?

Thank you,

Canyon.[/QUOTE]I know a 50 year old Thai girl runs a ladies beauty parlour doesn't speak English much and has two kids, one aged 19. Wants to meet an old Farang to look after her long term romance. Good friend of my GF.

Probably not what you had in mind. LOL. You might be more interested in her daughter Lol

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2049580]
Since she split from her BF she is potentially available for sex. However still doesn't want to fuck me as yet. Says she is used to small dicks.[/QUOTE]While Indians, Blacks and Arabs get the "members only" treatment in some bars because of the generality that those types of individuals are either cheap or trouble, this is one curse for being a white guy. Many girls are scared to go with a white guy thinking he will have a big dick. I find it to be more of a problem in Indonesian than in Thailand, but it can also be a problem in Thailand on occasion. I have an extremely small dick, but the girls never believe it since I am white. At least in you guy's case where you actually have a big dick, it makes some sense. It's sad when you have a tiny dick and the girls are telling you they don't want to go with you because they think your dick is too big.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2049710]Look mate I get this is what you and others may want but its no longer the reality. A little while back, Asian customers started to flock to Thailand and they have slowly become the dominant customer base, and from the bar and girl's perspective the majority prefer them over farangs. The model you speak of, the bars being just a place for the service providers to work and meet customers, is fading. They can do this online now and reach a much wider audience.

The current model at more and more agogos is more of a lounge style where drinking and partying with a girl in the bar is a large part of the experience. I am guessing the bar encourages this by pushing their ladies to do their best to service the customers who want to have a good time. This has resulted in the type that will ditch a guy if he doesn't appear to be someone out to have a few drinks first.

The increase in agency coyote girls is also a sign that this model is more favored. Many of these ladies, especially the best looking ones, are able to get a nice base salary plus drink commissions which can often net them 6 figures per month. Look for this trend to continue until these bars are nothing more than non-P4P hostess lounges.[/QUOTE]Really? And at what point do you suppose the bars themselves will accept this new, more favored trend among their customers and stop presenting themselves as places to come in for a drink, hopefully leading to you barfining someone and getting laid? When can I expect NO server or mamasan in a go-go bar to approach me on the purchase of at least the second if not the first Lady Drink to ask if I would like to barfine this young lady or that one or that one and fuck her tonight, a move that occurs in virtually every go-go bar I have been in right up to last night? When will they celebrate this new desirable development that their most prized customer base (Asians, you say) aren't there to get laid but only to buy expensive Lady Drinks and have a few laughs by openly announcing with a sign or something that the agency Coyotes standing outside this bar won't be going to your room with you for sex but are instead only there for you to "party" with in the bar? As of last night, they seem to me to be trying very hard to keep that new, more favored offering a secret. And shouldn't that sign be written in English, Japanese and Korean?

I realize the go-go bars are getting hit pretty hard with online apps competing for much cheaper and often less hassle-filled and more rewarding sexual liaisons than most bars offer. But I had no idea so many of those go-go bars I have been going to of late have given up the ghost and now consider themselves lounges for men to relax, have a drink or ten with a few unnecessarily scantily clad hostesses and chat up world affairs, nothing to do with having sex with their hostesses. I wonder why so many of them still seem intent upon making me think I can take one or more of their hostesses for a romp in the sack? Or, at least, that is still the very strong impression they are trying to make upon me from the moment I approach the front door. Not just the bar management and server staff, but the girls themselves, too. I will pay more attention to see if that strongly implied message is different for the Asians passing by.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049772]Really? And at what point do you suppose the bars themselves will accept this new, more favored trend among their customers and stop presenting themselves as places to come in for a drink, hopefully leading to you barfining someone and getting laid? When can I expect NO server or mamasan in a go-go bar to approach me on the purchase of at least the second if not the first Lady Drink to ask if I would like to barfine this young lady or that one or that one and fuck her tonight, a move that occurs in virtually every go-go bar I have been in right up to last night? When will they celebrate this new desirable development that their most prized customer base (Asians, you say) aren't there to get laid but only to buy expensive Lady Drinks and have a few laughs by openly announcing with a sign or something that the agency Coyotes standing outside this bar won't be going to your room with you for sex but are instead only there for you to "party" with in the bar? As of last night, they seem to me to be trying very hard to keep that new, more favored offering a secret. And shouldn't that sign be written in English, Japanese and Korean?

I realize the go-go bars are getting hit pretty hard with online apps competing for much cheaper and often less hassle-filled and more rewarding sexual liaisons than most bars offer. But I had no idea so many of those go-go bars I have been going to of late have given up the ghost and now consider themselves lounges for men to relax, have a drink or ten with a few unnecessarily scantily clad hostesses and chat up world affairs, nothing to do with having sex with their hostesses. I wonder why so many of them still seem intent upon making me think I can take one or more of their hostesses for a romp in the sack? Or, at least, that is still the very strong impression they are trying to make upon me from the moment I approach the front door. Not just the bar management and server staff, but the girls themselves, too. I will pay more attention to see if that strongly implied message is different for the Asians passing by.[/QUOTE]Mate. You are a very closed minded if you think that many bars are not trying to move to this business style. For example Cowboy 2, the rest of the Arab bars, and many G clubs all over Bangkok cater to this business style and make a lot of money. In these places, an intimate rendezvous with one of their ladies will come down to YMMV and how good your game and pocket book is. But to say that this business model is not a popular one, is only lieing to yourself. There will always be both so just decide where you want to go and leave it at that.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2049790]Mate. You are a very closed minded if you think that many bars are not trying to move to this business style. For example Cowboy 2, the rest of the Arab bars, and many G clubs all over Bangkok cater to this business style and make a lot of money. In these places, an intimate rendezvous with one of their ladies will come down to YMMV and how good your game and pocket book is. But to say that this business model is not a popular one, is only lieing to yourself. There will always be both so just decide where you want to go and leave it at that.[/QUOTE]Cowboy 2 Go-Go Bar and the Arab bars have been that way for years. But, no, I have not seen many other bars on either side of them on Soi Cowboy or in Nana Plaza moving away from the "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" business model.

BTW, what would "closed mindedness" have to do with it? I can't remember a time when I didn't get requested to barfine a girl in a go-go bar to take home and fuck after the first or second Lady Drink, if not before the first Lady Drink. On the other hand, I have yet to hear anyone working at a bar or standing outside a bar openly tout the more "popular" alternative of buying as many Lady Drinks as your wallet will bear but this girl has been specifically hired not to go have sex with you, isn't that great. So modern.

I'm not saying Cowboy 2 Go-Go Bar is not in that business or the Arab bars. I'm just saying they don't seem to be as proud of leading the way on that "popular" trend of the future some of us old closed minded fuddy duddies haven't fully embraced yet as you make it sound they ought to be. They still appear very much to want me (and, I dare say, the Asian guys standing or sitting around me) to assume their business model is the tired old "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" one.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049796]Cowboy 2 Go-Go Bar and the Arab bars have been that way for years. But, no, I have not seen many other bars on either side of them on Soi Cowboy or in Nana Plaza moving away from the "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" business model.

BTW, what would "closed mindedness" have to do with it? I can't remember a time when I didn't get requested to barfine a girl in a go-go bar to take home and fuck after the first or second Lady Drink, if not before the first Lady Drink. On the other hand, I have yet to hear anyone working at a bar or standing outside a bar openly tout the more "popular" alternative of buying as many Lady Drinks as your wallet will bear but this girl has been specifically hired not to go have sex with you, isn't that great. So modern.

I'm not saying Cowboy 2 Go-Go Bar is not in that business or the Arab bars. I'm just saying they don't seem to be as proud of leading the way on that "popular" trend of the future some of us old closed minded fuddy duddies haven't fully embraced yet as you make it sound they ought to be. They still appear very much to want me (and, I dare say, the Asian guys standing or sitting around me) to assume their business model is the tired old "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" one.[/QUOTE]Old fuddy duddy as you put it and not me is not the issue. There are many more places to monger in Bangkok other than Soi Cowboy and Nana so if you are only referring to these areas then you are more closed minded than I thought. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2049803]Old fuddy duddy as you put it and not me is not the issue. There are many more places to monger in Bangkok other than Soi Cowboy and Nana so if you are only referring to these areas then you are more closed minded than I thought. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I was only talking about the Bkk go-go bar scene in response to GrandaddyPerp's comments about "agogos", not the massage shops where there is no sex offered at all, not the G-Clubs, not the discos, not the wine shops, not the lounges, not the soapies, not the oilies, not the restaurants, malls and movie theaters where you can meet non P4 P girls to fuck before midnight, not the dating sites and booty call apps, not the escort services, the blowjob bars, the hand job only shops, etc.

But wondering; why would you chime in to engage in another weird exercise in clumsy, old fashioned, pointless one-upmanship without actually reading the posts first?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049811]I was only talking about the Bkk go-go bar scene in response to GrandaddyPerp's comments about "agogos", not the massage shops where there is no sex offered at all, not the G-Clubs, not the discos, not the wine shops, not the lounges, not the soapies, not the oilies, not the restaurants, malls and movie theaters where you can meet non P4 P girls to fuck before midnight, not the dating sites and booty call apps, not the escort services, the blowjob bars, the hand job only shops, etc.

But wondering; why would you chime in to engage in another weird exercise in clumsy, old fashioned, pointless one-upmanship without actually reading the posts first?[/QUOTE]There are other go go bars in Bangkok. But you win you old fuddy duddy. LOL.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2049710]Look mate I get this is what you and others may want but its no longer the reality. A little while back, Asian customers started to flock to Thailand and they have slowly become the dominant customer base, and from the bar and girl's perspective the majority prefer them over farangs. The model you speak of, the bars being just a place for the service providers to work and meet customers, is fading. They can do this online now and reach a much wider audience.

The current model at more and more agogos is more of a lounge style where drinking and partying with a girl in the bar is a large part of the experience. I am guessing the bar encourages this by pushing their ladies to do their best to service the customers who want to have a good time. This has resulted in the type that will ditch a guy if he doesn't appear to be someone out to have a few drinks first.

The increase in agency coyote girls is also a sign that this model is more favored. Many of these ladies, especially the best looking ones, are able to get a nice base salary plus drink commissions which can often net them 6 figures per month. Look for this trend to continue until these bars are nothing more than non-P4P hostess lounges.[/QUOTE]You are correct. It's over. And the fun times are not coming back. If you want fun, go to a place that does not attract tourists. Jakarta is one.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2049826]There are other go go bars in Bangkok. But you win you old fuddy duddy. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. Ok, I'm interested in hearing about them. But this is the primary point made by GrandaddyPerp to which I was responding:

"Look mate I get this is what you and others may want but its no longer the reality.
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The current model at more and more agogos is more of a lounge style where drinking and partying with a girl in the bar is a large part of the experience.
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Look for this trend to continue until these bars are nothing more than non-P4P hostess lounges. "

I know of several go-go bars in Bangkok that have either newly opened or re-opened with new owners and new names over the past couple of years. Every one of those that I have been in are just fine adhering to the "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" business model and none of them are following the model GrandaddyPerp said more and more of them are moving to. Do you know which old, new or re-opened and re-named Bangkok go-go bars have moved to that business model and rejected that fuddy duddy old one in the past 2-3 years? Which ones?

The fact that some are bad at providing the old model and are up against more competition than ever before doesn't count. Where have they moved into the new model and abandoned the previous one?

Let's say the Arab bars are following that new drinking lounge chit chat model. You seemed to be saying they did. I don't know. Whenever I have peeked into one of those Arab bars, it always appears to me there are only 2-3 newbies in there who got suckered into entering by the unavailable Coyotes stationed outside. Are any two Arab bars generating more income than, say, Crazy House, Baccara, Billboard, Twisters, et al, all of which are most definitely not lounges of the kind described?

Have the go-go bars in Saphan Khwai gone the drinking lounge route and abandoned the previous model? Where are all these Bkk go-go bars that are "more and more" moving toward the style that I was replying to? I can see that there might be some new ones popping up here and there to see how it goes. But more and more of the previous and current go-go bars moving in that direction? I don't see that happening now or recently. If they have moved in that direction, somebody better tell the mamasans, servers and the girls working there because they don't seem to know it happened and all of them are working mightily to keep us customers from thinking it happened too.

Thanks all for helping out on the to do's for Bangkok.

Here's a summary of my layover. VOA (It's going to get difficult if a flight lands from India as the queue is going to be huge. Luckily I was flying in from Vietnam so very few people in the queue. I looked out for a person who seemed more customer friendly at the desk and guess my decision was right. Sometime these immigration people can get difficult. I gave my passport and also my boarding pass. She asked me why you visit Bangkok and I said I have been to other countries in Asia except this Bangkok and would like to see it even though for a shot while.No questions asked 1000 Bht and got the token #. But they do ask for hotel that you are staying. So always get a hotel booking done for ease.

Got out after getting the passport stamped and through immigration. Decided to take a taxi and head towards the hotel. On the way I asked the taxi about Terminal 21 as I had heard about the Beer BJ's there.

It is in Sukhumvit. So anyone not knowing where to start may want to go to Terminal 21 and then look out from there. Plenty of Massage Parlours. Beer joints.

I had the hotel right in the Suk. 19 street. Went in connected to wireless and looked out for Soms Haven and Dr DJ's bar. They were pretty close so got the map pic captured and headed out. I am very bad at reading maps so it took me 30 minutes and I was getting nowhere. No net connection so I went back to the hotel and figured out to get there. I could see a few guys looking at the phones for addresses so it's not easy if you are a first timer. Better to write down locations in details if you don't have net connection.

Som's Haven is right opposite Terminal 21 . Cross the overbridge and it's Suk 14 . There were plenty of other massage places too but headed to Soms directly. It was around 5 . One girl took me in and I thought she was the mamasan but she told me she will take care of me. I said no will look out and then decide. The girls here are not too pushy. So drank a beer settled down for sometime and then went out to choose a girl. Picked one and the rates were 700 only BJ, 1200 BJ+FS but in a sofa room and 1700 BJ + FS in a bigger room with bed.

Well I took 1700 as I didn't want to miss out. The lady gets you showered and then then she showers too. I found that good hygeine.

Lovely BJ and a session to follow. These girls stay with you chatting as long as the 1 HR is not over if you want to do that.

Was out in like 1. 2 hours and then walked down to check the address for Dr BJ's bar but couldn't find it. There are plenty of bars and massage places in the particular street but couldn't find this one.

When I was walking -- a guy came and showed me a booklet of a massage parlour and said 5 minutes from here. Didn't go but I realized that most or every of the taxi drivers or the Tuk Tuk drivers are carrying these pamplets.

The street was getting ready for the night. Lots of shops selling kinky stuff on the roadside. And the traffic was getting heavy so decided to leave. Took a taxi and he said 300 bht and we go through the highway. OK zipped through in 30 minutes or less to the airport (His meter was showing 240 and he paid 25 for the toll) so overall it was OK.

It comes down to how the 3 revenue streams, customer drinks, lady drinks and bar fines are managed. Hiring young agency girls who produce little in bar fines can work if they manage to entice in enough customers to significantly increase the lady drink take where margins are I'm guessing around 90%.

Problem with this model while it may be popular with some Asian customers, it's not to get you much by way of repeat business in Cowboy or Nana. So this takes you to the makeup of your customer base, is it the passing tourist trade or a lot of regulars. If the former makes up 70% or higher then concentrating on lady drinks may be more profitable otherwise one would imagine the old model works best. CH is an obvious example where this is the case. Personally I am surprised coyote agency girl bars are successful. I agree hostess high end bars work but not as go go's.

As to the conversation on experiences with go go girls it seems to me from reading the posts some members invariably enjoy themselves while others constantly complain. Same girls, different outcomes. Why?

Personally I feel it's so important before leaving to have established a rapport with the girl and to agree on level of service and timing. That not always I admit but usually works just fine for me.

[QUOTE=Always09;2049836]
When I was walking -- a guy came and showed me a booklet of a massage parlour and said 5 minutes from here. Didn't go but I realized that most or every of the taxi drivers or the Tuk Tuk drivers are carrying these pamplets.
[/QUOTE]Yeh experienced mongers never pay attention to those guys. They quite likely would take you to some dump that is not the place in the glossy pamphlet. Who knows? They want their commission kick back for taking you there so you won't get a good price.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2049724]While Indians, Blacks and Arabs get the "members only" treatment in some bars because of the generality that those types of individuals are either cheap or trouble, this is one curse for being a white guy. Many girls are scared to go with a white guy thinking he will have a big dick. I find it to be more of a problem in Indonesian than in Thailand, but it can also be a problem in Thailand on occasion. I have an extremely small dick, but the girls never believe it since I am white. At least in you guy's case where you actually have a big dick, it makes some sense. It's sad when you have a tiny dick and the girls are telling you they don't want to go with you because they think your dick is too big.[/QUOTE]Just offer to take her to the toilet, flop it out and prove otherwise. LOL Have met the odd girl that wanted to check out the size first before agreeing to go. Especially happens with girls experiencing pussy pain.

With some girls, no amount of "I go so slow and gentle" washes with them. They just remain very unkeen. I don't want a stiff legged star-fish so no point in forcing the issue. Better to know in advance and save wasting my money. Fortunately a couple of my regular girls state that they prefer big dicks as have got used to Farangs since many years ago. Others do not prefer it but tolerate it. To be very average sized would be definitely an advantage overall I think.

One Italian guy I knew was such a nice guy but he experienced so many knock backs with girls describing him as hung like a bottle of coke. No need for anyone to be jealous of his size at all. Just a huge nuisance for him. He had better luck with older western girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049512]Yes, it is a bar. But the draw to a Bangkok go-go bar isn't to get top shelf cocktails at a reasonable price, to look at pretty ladies or to marvel at the latest dance trends. It is to get laid. [/QUOTE]You purpose might be to get laid. For many others, not the case. Some are trying to find an exciting girl that will put them into the mood. Some are not.

Some of the customers have no intention to bar fine any girl any time they go to bar, as an example. I might have no intention to get laid initially, but a hot girl maybe capable of changing my mind. Other times I am horny and definitely looking for a lay. However I note that probably 75% of Crazy House customers leave without barfining a girl. Wild estimate not based on anything solid.

If I can't get the best girl in the bar to my taste, for one reason or another (e.g. busy with another customer), it is unlikely I will fall back to a lesser standard choice. So plenty of times I went to see Palm, the 10 point Coyote, at Mercury, I left the bar without a fuck. Sometimes I was disappointed because she already had a customer hogging her time. Sometimes she wa just not there. Possibly all of her customers hoped for a miracle and that they might eventually do her. LOL Don't know if any were successful. I compared notes with another guy who saw her regular but had never managed to fuck her. Most other Coyotes at Mercury could be fucked and I did do one or two. However they were a standard below Palm for looks.

Just sitting and cuddling a stunning girl is still worthwhile for some of us guys, even if cannot get the dick in. That is why hostess lounges can work.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2049849]Just offer to take her to the toilet, flop it out and prove otherwise. LOL.[/QUOTE]I've tried that many times. I'm always flaccid in the bar though. Often, they seem to think it will grow to a huge size once it gets hard and are still scared. I have had it work a couple of times though where they agreed once they saw it. And once I do get one girl in the bar to go with me, word gets around that my dick is as small as an Asian's, and from that point on every girl in the bar will happily go with me after that. Anyone who thinks having a big dick in a P4 P environment is fooling themselves. I agree though that it's a big advantage if going with the older western women, or even the younger western women for free.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2049832]
I know of several go-go bars in Bangkok that have either newly opened or re-opened with new owners and new names over the past couple of years. Every one of those that I have been in are just fine adhering to the "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" business model and none of them are following the model GrandaddyPerp said more and more of them are moving to. Do you know which old, new or re-opened and re-named Bangkok go-go bars have moved to that business model and rejected that fuddy duddy old one in the past 2-3 years? Which ones?

The fact that some are bad at providing the old model and are up against more competition than ever before doesn't count. Where have they moved into the new model and abandoned the previous one?

Let's say the Arab bars are following that new drinking lounge chit chat model. You seemed to be saying they did. I don't know. Whenever I have peeked into one of those Arab bars, it always appears to me there are only 2-3 newbies in there who got suckered into entering by the unavailable Coyotes stationed outside. Are any two Arab bars generating more income than, say, Crazy House, Baccara, Billboard, Twisters, et al, all of which are most definitely not lounges of the kind described?[/QUOTE]I have been so fortunate (or unfortunate. Whatever way you look at it) to come close to a couple of bar owners in Bangkok. They all want to earn money, but it is my understanding from these two in question that a professional and detailed "business plan" is just not part of their mindset. Both these owners are Thai people and it might be a different story for falang owners. Sure they care on how they can adjust the music, the ambience, their price policy etc. But most of all they are concerned about their dancing girls. They are obsessed with rules and regulation on how to "cut salary" for the girls showing up too late, using phones, stay in wardrobe too long etc. But they also care for their staff; many of girls have a very close and loving relationship with the owner. I guess the problem for a go-go bar owner is that the visitors are so different. Especially in places with a good mix of people from all parts of the world and also a variety in age it is obvious that a bar need to have all sorts of girls. Not all men like skinny girls, so they need some big girls as well etc. I sometime ask myself why obviously ugly girls can continue work in a go-go year after year. The reply I get is that there is some sort of loyalty that goes both way. A good owner will not sack a girl that has been working hard for her bar for many years. This is of course decent. But for a bar it is also a dangerous path. After all, the number one success factor for a bar is beautiful girls. I also think it is not relevant to bring in "The Arab" in this discussion. His bars are obviously a cover up for some other type of activity, so it does not count. I never set my foot in his bars. As long as you run a go-go bar you really do not care if customers perceive it as a "drinking lounge" or a place for barfine. You need to find ways to cater to both and to make sure you can make some money out of both "models".

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2049844]Yeh experienced mongers never pay attention to those guys. They quite likely would take you to some dump that is not the place in the glossy pamphlet. Who knows? They want their commission kick back for taking you there so you won't get a good price.[/QUOTE]I first encountered the Tuk Tuk gents with the brochures back in 1996,I can still recall the brochure as it had prices listed, some of the prices had been corrected with a little white sticker over the top (I can't recall the prices) I was still a little green and took up the offer. It was a rainy hot night in Bangkok and I had just come out of one of the Go Go bars in Patpong and was horny as hell. I didn't need much of sales pitch as my dick was was ready to go after getting some serious attention in said Go Go bar. The driver took me to Ceasers. It was one of the finest 1. 5 hours I've had in my life. Everything was on offer and I got involved. A total PSE with cuddling and GFE at the end. This is when I saw the light. I remember giving the sweet thing 200 BHT tip and leaving 50 BHT for the maid (can't recall the price for the experience) and was made to feel like I was a big spender. I walked out if that place feeling like a King. The Tuk Tuk driver was waiting for me and took me back to my hotel. I asked him did he get commission and he said yes, but would have to go back and get the money after he dropped me at my hotel. I think it worked / works on how many punters he and his colleagues took there. I still remember that girl after all these years. During our cuddling session she took out a black and white passport photo of a Japanese guy and told me that it was her boyfriend and that she loved him. Funny how you remember shit like this.

Has anyone ever tried #62 at Bacarra gogo?

She gives out all the bad signs (super shy, hardly moving on the very end of the stage, no eye contact with anyone) but she has the best breast I've seen in a gogo bar on BKK (she dances on the sometimes topless 1st floor). Perfect size and shape for her body. Being non Japanese, I know I'm almost transparent for Bacarra girls, but her body almost made me try to go for it, in spite of all the bad signs. Feedback would be greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2049852] However I note that probably 75% of Crazy House customers leave without barfining a girl. Wild estimate not based on anything solid.[/QUOTE]That would be my general observation as well, and not just for Crazy House but for almost any well attended go-go bar in the city. However, I also assume most of those guys walking out alone will go into another go-go bar nearby and continue shopping on their "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" mission. Asian or Farang, I think they leave alone simply because they didn't find a suitable candidate for the "get laid" part of the model in that particular go-go bar on this particular visit.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2049921]I have been so fortunate (or unfortunate. Whatever way you look at it) to come close to a couple of bar owners in Bangkok. They all want to earn money, but it is my understanding from these two in question that a professional and detailed "business plan" is just not part of their mindset. Both these owners are Thai people and it might be a different story for falang owners. Sure they care on how they can adjust the music, the ambience, their price policy etc. But most of all they are concerned about their dancing girls. They are obsessed with rules and regulation on how to "cut salary" for the girls showing up too late, using phones, stay in wardrobe too long etc. But they also care for their staff; many of girls have a very close and loving relationship with the owner. I guess the problem for a go-go bar owner is that the visitors are so different. Especially in places with a good mix of people from all parts of the world and also a variety in age it is obvious that a bar need to have all sorts of girls. Not all men like skinny girls, so they need some big girls as well etc. I sometime ask myself why obviously ugly girls can continue work in a go-go year after year. The reply I get is that there is some sort of loyalty that goes both way. A good owner will not sack a girl that has been working hard for her bar for many years. This is of course decent. But for a bar it is also a dangerous path. After all, the number one success factor for a bar is beautiful girls. I also think it is not relevant to bring in "The Arab" in this discussion. His bars are obviously a cover up for some other type of activity, so it does not count. I never set my foot in his bars. As long as you run a go-go bar you really do not care if customers perceive it as a "drinking lounge" or a place for barfine. You need to find ways to cater to both and to make sure you can make some money out of both "models".[/QUOTE]All of that makes sense to me, too. I think some guys are mistaking go-go bar owners, mamasans, management, whatever not being particularly good at creating an atmosphere where the girls are encouraged and rewarded for enticing customers to barfine them and to deliver something competitively worthwhile in the room for some here-to-fore unseen intelligent decision not to be in that business anymore. I read where the girls and service in the various oily/soapy/PSE massage shops is not as good as it used to be, too. But I never hear that those massage shops are "more and more" moving into a chit chat drinking lounge model where P4 P is no longer the primary objective.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2050118]All of that makes sense to me, too. I think some guys are mistaking go-go bar owners, mamasans, management, whatever not being particularly good at creating an atmosphere where the girls are encouraged and rewarded for enticing customers to barfine them and to deliver something competitively worthwhile in the room for some here-to-fore unseen intelligent decision not to be in that business anymore. I read where the girls and service in the various oily/soapy/PSE massage shops is not as good as it used to be, too. But I never hear that those massage shops are "more and more" moving into a chit chat drinking lounge model where P4 P is no longer the primary objective.[/QUOTE]Actually the MP scene has changed. Many have closed and others have consolidating because the majority of the best looking ladies have either went to non-P4P gentlemen's clubs or went online.

As far as Oilies go, well they've always had their niche but they've also had to evolve to present a more 'clean' image with more and more going the massage menu route.

Yes, there are still some who are keeping the old business model on life support and even injecting some new blood into it but it's mostly being done by people who don't have a clue. How many new bars have opened and closed over the years only after being open a year or two?

I think you fail to realize that economics aren't the only thing at play here.

Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?

Hello all,

I am not a regular in Bangkok, but have visited 3-4 times for couple of days each on business and some pleasure. Have tried some bars in nana plaza. I think I had few gems in emennuel in my last trip. So it is on agenda this time too, if it's still open.
Some of us are planning to come for 5-6 days in end July and this time it is all fun I know that it could be pretty warm and rainy. We are coming from Singapore, so the heat is ok, but rains could spoil the fun. We will stay near nana plaza mostly. Any suggestions in hotels and comments on weather would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

AG.

I apologize but I know this post will get more attention if I post here. Looking for a guest friendly hotel in Hua Hin near enough to the beer bars to be easy to get to them. Price range I have in mind is anywhere from $50 USD to maybe $110 USD. I want a decent hotel, but not so far out I can't get to the beer bars easily. Maybe walking distance or easy taxi, etc. Thanks.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2050734]Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?[/QUOTE]You can take a bus to Mo Chit BTS from there but it will be slow as hell. If your reasoning is to save time in traffic jams then I would take a taxi from DMK to Mo Chit BTS station and then it's just a 20 minute sky train ride to Nana Station for example. If your flight is arriving in the evening, let's say after 8 PM then it would be just as fast to take a taxi all the way to Sukhumvit. However, if your motivation is only to save money, the taxi from DMK to Suk will be about 200 Baht and 50 Baht for the toll booth which exits at Suk Soi 1. Your in for 250-300 Baht. If you can't afford that, stay home.

[QUOTE=Romannico;2049962]Has anyone ever tried #62 at Bacarra gogo?

She gives out all the bad signs (super shy, hardly moving on the very end of the stage, no eye contact with anyone) but she has the best breast I've seen in a gogo bar on BKK (she dances on the sometimes topless 1st floor). Perfect size and shape for her body. Being non Japanese, I know I'm almost transparent for Bacarra girls, but her body almost made me try to go for it, in spite of all the bad signs. Feedback would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]Buddy, without giving a name with that number, you will never get a response. There are hundreds of girls working there and I bet their numbers change often. It seems you are very hesitant to bar fine any girl at a go go bar and you are hoping someone else on here took the plunge for you. That's not how it works. This is how it works: Monger, bar fine a girl, and write a review for others to read.

Your last review was of a girl at Annie's 4 years ago so you've got some catching up to do.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2050904]Quote Originally Posted by TempStories
"Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?"

You can take a bus to Mo Chit BTS from there but it will be slow as hell. If your reasoning is to save time in traffic jams then I would take a taxi from DMK to Mo Chit BTS station and then it's just a 20 minute sky train ride to Nana Station for example. If your flight is arriving in the evening, let's say after 8 PM then it would be just as fast to take a taxi all the way to Sukhumvit. However, if your motivation is only to save money, the taxi from DMK to Suk will be about 200 Baht and 50 Baht for the toll booth which exits at Suk Soi 1. Your in for 250-300 Baht. If you can't afford that, stay home.[/QUOTE]Just outside of the glass doors in the Arrival Area of DMK where signs direct you to the buses, walking briefly to the right after you step outside, there is a designated stop for a bus that goes directly to Mo Chit BTS Station, no stops in between.

The sign pictured in that link says the bus leaves every 12 minutes and goes to "Jatujack", their way of referring to Chatuchak Park MRT Station, which is also the same location as Mo Chit BTS Station. When the bus gets to the BTS/MRT location, look for the stairs going up above the street level to ride on the BTS. For the MRT, look for the stairs going down below the street level.

[URL]http://www.thaizer.com/travel-in-thailand/airport-bus-service-to-and-from-bangkok-don-muang/[/URL]

I take that bus every time I arrive at DMK. Since it is a direct transport, I don't think it has ever taken me more than 15-20 minutes to get to Mo Chit BTS Station. 30 baht, pay the attendant on the bus. Personally, I wouldn't bother with a taxi to get to Mo Chit BTS Station from DMK unless I arrived at a time when that bus isn't running (see the sign in the link). I suppose if I had a lot of luggage to deal with I might take a taxi. But I never do. This bus accommodates carry-on luggage ok.

But don't mistakenly get on the bus going to Victory Monument BTS Station since that one does take a bit longer. These bus destinations are clearly marked in English.

[QUOTE=Always09;2049836]Thanks all for helping out on the to do's for Bangkok.

-snip-

Was out in like 1. 2 hours and then walked down to check the address for Dr BJ's bar but couldn't find it. There are plenty of bars and massage places in the particular street but couldn't find this one.[/QUOTE]Dr. BJ's Salon is now called "Wood Bar!" Same address as before.

The new name for their Nuru Massage venue on the same street, Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, is "Chrome Bar".

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2050154]Actually the MP scene has changed. Many have closed and others have consolidating because the majority of the best looking ladies have either went to non-P4P gentlemen's clubs or went online.

As far as Oilies go, well they've always had their niche but they've also had to evolve to present a more 'clean' image with more and more going the massage menu route.

Yes, there are still some who are keeping the old business model on life support and even injecting some new blood into it but it's mostly being done by people who don't have a clue. How many new bars have opened and closed over the years only after being open a year or two?

I think you fail to realize that economics aren't the only thing at play here.[/QUOTE]Actually, I don't think I made a case for economics having anything to do with the point I made. Maybe only when it comes to finding a lady for the night being cheaper and less hassle via apps or dating sites than some go-go bars make it for their customers. But I don't think the cost is the deal killer really. And I do recognize there are other forces at play in why some venues have changed their style somewhat, including clean up efforts by the new Minister of Tourism. But some bizarre new interest among Asian or Farang men in not getting laid but instead sitting around chit chatting with bargirls and buying Lady Drinks with no barfine option on the table isn't high among them when it comes to the Bangkok go-go bar scene, imo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2050118]chit chat drinking lounge model where P4 P is no longer the primary objective.[/QUOTE]I'm certain that very few people have the primary objective of traveling from overseas with the aim of visiting a no-takeout "chat drinking lounge" where the hostesses are uneducated and let's face it, not exactly stunning, Issan girls who can't even chat properly in English. They might visit the place by mistake, exactly once. Is that a sustainable business model?

[QUOTE=TempStories;2050734]Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?[/QUOTE]Uber was the most convenient for me.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2051018]I'm certain that very few people have the primary objective of traveling from overseas with the aim of visiting a no-takeout "chat drinking lounge" where the hostesses are uneducated and let's face it, not exactly stunning, Issan girls who can't even chat properly in English. They might visit the place by mistake, exactly once. Is that a sustainable business model?[/QUOTE]Currently several bars have coyotes who are often much better looking than the ladies who are actually BF'able. Guys come in relax stare at the hot dancers have a few drinks, succumb to their urges and BF the available girls or bar hop until they find something better or eventually just book someone online.

This system will continue to progress to the point where most bars just have coyotes and no P4P options and ordering online is the main and potentially only option to get P4P.

Say what you will but the realities are the powers that be want the scene to be more transparent and the whole agogo scene is predominately dependent on specific generations of customers that are coming less and less. The younger generations of men who come to Thailand for fun are finding it more readily available for free or use dating sites / apps to meet ladies.

Chit chat lounges, really! Typical exchange with your average Cowboy attendee goes something like this.

"Hello what your name".

"Where you come from".

"Where you stay".

"Buy me cola".

Either she vanishes or there is 10 minutes silence and then.

"Buy me cola".

I did have a conversation once with a stunner who wanted to discuss the latest developments in quantum mysticism as it applied to the metaphysical interaction of consciousness and intelligence. Just as it was getting interesting I woke up.

[URL]http://www.iamwannee.com/how-to-get-from-suvarnabhumi-airport-to-sukhumvit/[/URL]

It is cheap and easy.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2050734]Apart from taxi, are there any other options to reach Sukhumvidt from DMK airport?[/QUOTE]

And other BJ bars.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1JsytdNc-5HFJnH8bOOuoHxREvG0&ll=13.740321821035131%2C100.56355498857306&z=16[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2050972]Dr. BJ's Salon is now called "Wood Bar!" Same address as before.

The new name for their Nuru Massage venue on the same street, Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, is "Chrome Bar".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Romannico;2049962]Has anyone ever tried #62 at Bacarra gogo?[/QUOTE]I don't know their numbers. But if you post a photo, I might be able to tell you.

I have a lot of endurance. I can pop 2-3 x if I'm turned on by the girl. But I have no interest in a sleepover. Would a 2 HR visit w / multiple pops be a "LT" or "ST"? Would this be a hard thing to negotiate / clarify beforehand? I was thinking of bringing a card w / what I want written in Thai (geeky I know).

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2051144][URL]http://www.iamwannee.com/how-to-get-from-suvarnabhumi-airport-to-sukhumvit/[/URL]

It is cheap and easy.[/QUOTE]He asked about travel from DMK, not from BKK. No train from DMK yet. It's still under construction. Two choices from DMK to Sukhumvit. Take a taxi all the way, or taxi to Mo Chit BTS station and BTS from there to Nana or Asoke.

SW4.

[QUOTE=Romannico;2049196]I've always been a fan of soapies, but haven't had a chance to go for a while. I used to go to Nataree (before it closed down) and Annies (before the talent went down and the prices up). I was glad to find out recently thanks to a forum post that there's an upscale place like Mitu on Suk 33, and decided to give it a chance.

Short version: it's overpriced.

Long version:

Good points: The location is easy to find and not too far from the BTS. The staff is super friendly, and you even get a free ice cream after your session. The rooms are clean and pretty big, and most of all the air con is not freezing, which tends to be the case in too many massages places.

Average points. You get to choose from a menu on an iPad (actually, they show you their online page and you scroll down) so you don't see the girls in real life before you choose them. I asked Papasan who was there, he pointed out 4 girls and recommended the 1st one. I followed his advice and chose Faris. To me, she looks like a far cousin from the girl on the pictures. She's heavier, very average looking, but nice smile (braces) and a good personality. She speaks little English, but enough. I would not have chosen her if gotten the chance to see a lineup. After a shower, we went into soapie mode on a good air mattress. I was lying on my front, and that part was amazing. Finally a true soapy experience, she knew what she was doing and doing it well. After about 7 minutes, she turned me around, and this takes us to the *negative points* section..[/QUOTE]Romannico,

Try Akane on Suk 33. I go there when I'm lazy and let the lady / ladies do all the work. I generally go for the M-Lotion massage (90 minutes 1780 baht) or the V-3 Two Lady Fashion massage (90 minutes 2580 baht) in the VIP room. The VIP room is clean and spacious with a couch, double bed and a large shower area with an air mattress.

FS is not on the menu so this may not be for everyone but the level of service I have received for the B2B and BJ service has always been very good to excellent. Recently I made a reservation with Yuki for the 90 minute M-Lotion massage. Typical meet and greet and up to the room. She returned a few minutes later and proceeded to give me a nice slow, soft blow job with some DT for 10-15 minutes. We moved over to the air mattress and she washed me from head to toe, then applied a warm lotion made from seaweed and the B2B massage started. It was very nice, unhurried with tits and pussy everywhere and included a bit of 69. I rolled on my stomach and she rimmed me for at least 10 minutes. She finished me with an excellent BJ and I came in her mouth.

With the time left I could have had another shot but asked for a body scrub instead (no power left) followed by a nice head and face massage on the bed. I left feeling very clean, relaxed and totally satisfied. I paid 1780 to the shop and tipped 500 baht. I think it is a good value. The V-3 with two ladies can be very good too.

[QUOTE=GoldenBear81;2051194]I have a lot of endurance. I can pop 2-3 x if I'm turned on by the girl. But I have no interest in a sleepover. Would a 2 HR visit w / multiple pops be a "LT" or "ST"? Would this be a hard thing to negotiate / clarify beforehand? I was thinking of bringing a card w / what I want written in Thai (geeky I know).[/QUOTE]Most Thai do not have endurance. Guys that have endurance should consider taking more than one girl to share the load. Hard to negotiate unless girls speak good English.

You certainly need to get agreement for 3 hours 3 pops. A threesome or 4 some might work well but cost you.

[QUOTE=GoldenBear81;2051194]I have a lot of endurance. I can pop 2-3 x if I'm turned on by the girl. But I have no interest in a sleepover. Would a 2 HR visit w / multiple pops be a "LT" or "ST"? Would this be a hard thing to negotiate / clarify beforehand? I was thinking of bringing a card w / what I want written in Thai (geeky I know).[/QUOTE]These days, a 2-hour session is considered ST but often will include 2 pops. When negotiating its best to tell them up front what your expectations are otherwise they will do the least amount of work possible and act dumb even though the shop they work in says 2 hours 2 pops or cum as many as you can in the time given. Just hold up two fingers and say 'I cum' and they should get the idea. Some will consider the 2 X to be HJ / BJ for the 1st and FS for the 2nd so best to be clear about that.

[QUOTE=GoldenBear81;2051194]I have a lot of endurance. I can pop 2-3 x if I'm turned on by the girl. But I have no interest in a sleepover. Would a 2 HR visit w / multiple pops be a "LT" or "ST"? Would this be a hard thing to negotiate / clarify beforehand? I was thinking of bringing a card w / what I want written in Thai (geeky I know).[/QUOTE]Good question, and fortunately it's simple. Specify you want to "finish 2 times" -- that much English should be widely understood, but Thai is "set song kang" if you need to confirm. You will not have a problem, as long as the girl agrees to this as well as the price beforehand.

Some years ago, 2 pops was the deal I made with basically all freelancers I took off Sukhumwit, and about 70% took it without trouble, at the ST going rate (1000-1500 baht back then). It's a good filter too, ones who refused would have probably provided crappy service anyway. These days, girls are more eager to get in and out quickly with minimal service, but I'm sure you'll still find enough takers.

Be very clear in your negotiation, and don't go for the unclear "2 hours", "maybe 2-3 pops" or even "as much as I can pop within 2 hours", all of those can lead to misunderstandings. No need to use the card, "2 pops" is very easy to get across in English, Thai, or improvised sign language. If you can't get even "2 pops" across clearly verbally, you're better off not even taking the girl, since minimal communication is necessary for a decent session. Just make sure the girl clearly agrees, and also set down the price before going. Fortunately, pops are something that's easy to be perfectly clear about, there's no ambiguity possible (as it is with many other "special requests".

I think if you ask for 3 pops you might get fewer takers and a less iron-clad agreement, since there's a huge variety among punters, and the girl might be wary of accepting. Most people can do the 2nd pop within an hour or two, if they care to do it at all. But 3 can take many hours and some vigorous fucking for the majority.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2051352]Be very clear in your negotiation, and don't go for the unclear "2 hours", "maybe 2-3 pops" or even "as much as I can pop within 2 hours", all of those can lead to misunderstandings. No need to use the card, "2 pops" is very easy to get across in English, Thai, or improvised sign language. If you can't get even "2 pops" across clearly verbally, you're better off not even taking the girl, since minimal communication is necessary for a decent session.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with your assertion here. But would only go further by saying you are better off not even taking the girl if she appears not to understand any one of a whole bunch of rather common P4 P service options you might want from her; BBBJ, CIM, 2 pops, LT vs ST, etc. Assuming she has been at the job more than 2-3 days in her life, she knows perfectly well what we are asking of her whether it is in fluent Thai, zero Thai, on Google Translate, or via woefully pathetic pantomime. She is very likely only pretending not to understand for reasons that will not come out in your favor back in the hotel room.

Since I couldn't get off 2 rounds in a night even if I wanted, I don't care one bit about "2 pops". However, I have tried asking for that in the past thinking that it might result in finding a girl who provides better service. Unfortunately, what it does is causes the girl to try to rush you into cumming as fast as possible the first time because she wants to get to the 2nd round as soon as possible. Since in my case, there is no 2nd round, it's a waste.

Saw this interesting Advert in CL with a title "Costume" with some nice pics. Girl was my type, petite with reasonable assets so I decided to give it a shot. I used CL in other countries but never in Thailand, and as usual I was a bit skeptic about bait and switch etc. Typical CL frauds. To my surprise, the girl did not as for room number, full name etc. And asked me to pick her from the lobby. This is always a good sign. And it was, she was the same girl as in photo and I was happy to lead her to my room.

Once in room. She did not ask for money. She never mentioned money until I brought it up after the first session.

We started with a good shower, she washed me thoroughly and insisted we both brush out teeth. Then she started with BBBJ and she is good. After a while we go to the bed, missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggy. And 10 minutes later johnny explodes!! We clean up and she starts giving a very nice massage. Her massage was actually very very good, a rare combination, because the ones who advert Sex are generally mediocre or poor in massage skill. About an hour into the massage she starts blowing again. 2nd session was about 25 minutes, multiple position, equally enjoyable. This girl enjoys what she does, very enthusiastic and eager to please.

Took a few pics of her, but she asked me not to put them online. I can share on PM. Attached pic is the only one she said I cud publish.

Looks: 7/10.

Body: 8/10 (Silicon).

Attitude: 8/10.

English: 6/10.

Damage: 3 k for 2 hours, 2 pops + massage.

WIR: Definitely.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2051400]Since I couldn't get off 2 rounds in a night even if I wanted, I don't care one bit about "2 pops". However, {Massive snip}
Since in my case, there is no 2nd round, it's a waste.

[/QUOTE]I'm with you Smoothy. It's my dime and I'll spend it how I want.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2051352]Good question, and fortunately it's simple. Specify you want to "finish 2 times" -- that much English should be widely understood, but Thai is "set song kang" if you need to confirm. You will not have a problem, as long as the girl agrees to this as well as the price beforehand.

Some years ago, 2 pops was the deal I made with basically all freelancers I took off Sukhumwit, and about 70% took it without trouble, at the ST going rate (1000-1500 baht back then). It's a good filter too, ones who refused would have probably provided crappy service anyway. These days, girls are more eager to get in and out quickly with minimal service, but I'm sure you'll still find enough takers.

Be very clear in your negotiation, and don't go for the unclear "2 hours", "maybe 2-3 pops" or even "as much as I can pop within 2 hours", all of those can lead to misunderstandings. No need to use the card, "2 pops" is very easy to get across in English, Thai, or improvised sign language. If you can't get even "2 pops" across clearly verbally, you're better off not even taking the girl, since minimal communication is necessary for a decent session. Just make sure the girl clearly agrees, and also set down the price before going. Fortunately, pops are something that's easy to be perfectly clear about, there's no ambiguity possible (as it is with many other "special requests".

I think if you ask for 3 pops you might get fewer takers and a less iron-clad agreement, since there's a huge variety among punters, and the girl might be wary of accepting. Most people can do the 2nd pop within an hour or two, if they care to do it at all. But 3 can take many hours and some vigorous fucking for the majority.[/QUOTE]Well regarding the 3 x. I was thinking of more of an LT session, but w / o the sleeping. I imagine in that case I would pay the LT rate and just give her her payment and tip when we're done. I should have specified that. From what I'm reading I may just be better off going back out and finding a new girl which is fine with me. Or maybe if I'm impressed with the chic I could negotiate an extension. Thanks BTW--to all the BM's who responded!

After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.

Thanks for intel.

DD.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2051707]After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.

Thanks for intel.

DD.[/QUOTE]Nothing like this is openly available in Thailand. This is YMMV with the ladies. End of story and end of discussion.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2051018]I'm certain that very few people have the primary objective of traveling from overseas with the aim of visiting a no-takeout "chat drinking lounge" where the hostesses are uneducated and let's face it, not exactly stunning, Issan girls who can't even chat properly in English. They might visit the place by mistake, exactly once. Is that a sustainable business model?[/QUOTE]I assume there must be some venues in town catering to this weird desire. I mean, there are places where guys pay serious Thai-level P4 P money for a HJ. But I don't know of any go-go bar in all of Bangkok (or Pattaya, no doubt) that is knowingly, purposely and openly transforming from the classic "buy a Lady Drink and get laid" model into anything like what has been described here.

Of course, I know there are go-go bars that try to fool customers into thinking that "get laid" part of the deal will occur when the truth is the Coyotes dragging suckers into the bar have no intention of any such thing happening and, in fact, have been hired specifically not to leave the bar with a customer for any reason whatsoever. But if any of those girls voluntarily spilled the beans on the scam or if the proprietors of those go-go bars placed a sign stating (in English, Japanese and Korean) that this bar is now offering that hot new trend of allowing you to sit and chat with our girls, buy plenty of Lady Drinks, but drop the idea of having sex with them out of your thoughts, I suspect only deaf and blind customers would ever find themselves sitting in one.

Perhaps such go-go bars are all the rage in Tokyo, Japan or Seoul, Korea. But, like you, I don't understand why guys would fly to Thailand to do the same thing with Thai girls. Frankly, making a case for such a "trend" with regard to go-go bars sounds to me like a failed go-go bar owner's excuse for why very few customers barfine his unsuitable and poorly managed girls or why he had to hire an agency to dress up the place with decent looking girls who fancy themselves to be non-P4 P "models" and not hookers.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2051707]After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.

Thanks for intel.

DD.[/QUOTE]The short answer is you'll find it with some girls everywhere but not "openly". Being offered and getting Anal Sex is presented quite openly around town, but I have never seen BBFS touted openly anywhere in Thailand. Interesting to note then that I believe there are more abbreviations and phrases for what amounts to BBFS listed on this site than there are for Anal Sex. So it seems as though there are at least as many if not more discussions of BBFS expected here than for "A+" service (an abbreviation that is not included on this site's list, btw). LOL.

Just start asking and you will get takers sooner or later, but make sure you ask as discretely and privately as possible. I am talking whisper in the ear kind of discretion. The vast majority of Thai girls will not be comfortable with letting even their closest friend know they are considering and might agree to BBFS with a customer. And your interest in getting two girls willing to agree to it and engage in it in a threesome will be a heavy lift indeed. My experience has been it is much more agreeable from go-go girls, places like Mandarin Bar, Billboard, Twisters, Bangkok Bunnies in Nana Plaza, Crazy House, Suzie Wong in Soi Cowboy, etc. than in almost any other venues like beer bars, massage shops, or even freelancers. Still, Your Mileage May Vary.

That said, I would strongly urge anyone endeavoring to engage in a BBFS mission to first get circumcised and get a vasectomy, always carry a truthful recent clean blood check document from a reliable clinic and offer to show it to the girl, avoid engaging in prolonged "rough" sexual activity that might cause skin abrasions, never just roll over and go to sleep after a session, get up and wash with soap and water within minutes of finishing, and take a whizz (a quaint colloquialism to avoid the Code Word attack) . Following the above regime is likely to prevent unwanted pregnancy and spread of disease many, many times more effectively than what actually occurs with guys who do almost none of those things but claim to wear a condom all the time.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2051707]After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.

Thanks for intel.

DD.[/QUOTE]I found BB girls in Bangkok in Climax and Crazy House. But you never know for sure. Sometimes they do and sometimes not. Or they forget bring their condoms. Then you say you haven't neither. Be. Be. Trios are even harder to find.

The best is to go to the Philippines. I have been to Manila and Cebu. Almost every girls is into BB over their. I picked up girls in Burgos street bars and fucked them all BB.

In Cebu also very easy. Mango square street walkers and girls in JAve disco all go BB without problem.

If you also like black girls then Madagascar is your paradise.

Very cheap and BB trios all the time.

I live close to Germany and also enjoyed the AO scene but the last years it became a bit tricky.

Came back home often with an std under my wings.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2051707]After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners.

Thanks for intel.

DD.[/QUOTE]I find getting LT with gogo girls to be the most productive way to get it. So that is the intell I want to share with you so that you enjoy your stay. But you are not guaranteed to get BBFS. So just be prepared that the given girl may not offer it and you may have to ditch her and get another. Also yes, YMMV. Some get it, some don't. There are a number of factors on this. Obviously someone who is experienced with getting it will know how to procure it.

Oh one last thing, you may want to get an HIV test and paper print out just a day / same-day as you go around offering this. It would help to have your papers in order and makes the girl feel safer and is a good backup plan in case they say no. I don't suggest being eager to show them this paper because well, it's weird, and they will question it's validity if you are using it as a selling point so eagerly.

Hi guys,

I am a new member, Had been watching the forum for about a month. I might not be good in reviewing or writing reports. Pardon me if any.

Reached there by morning around 5:00. The entire trip was for shopping for my bike.

The night checked into room around 8 pm got refreshed and then left straight to rainbow found some interesting honeys was interested in a threesome, remembered one of the seniors advice saying that to make the girl choose the another spent around some time making sure they are ok with each other. Bought 2 bottles while going back.

Took them back to the room. "It was great" the girls were really wild. The girls names were Sandara and grace.

Cost= 6 k + 2 k at bar.

(will try to do a better job next time about reports).

Have fun fellow mongers.

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Any Russian or Eastern European girls in Bangkok these days? Pattaya is out of the question for me just due to lack of time.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2051987]Any Russian or Eastern European girls in Bangkok these days? Pattaya is out of the question for me just due to lack of time.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are.

As I wrote here before, I as a fan of Beergarden in Soi 7. Obviously it is clsoed now (really, is it?) and someone werote the girls are now in Hillary 4. Since I am going to BKK within a couple fo weeks, can local punters confirm that? Where are the Beergarden ladies to be found now? Thanks for your help!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2052270]As I wrote here before, I as a fan of Beergarden in Soi 7. Obviously it is clsoed now (really, is it?) and someone werote the girls are now in Hillary 4. Since I am going to BKK within a couple fo weeks, can local punters confirm that? Where are the Beergarden ladies to be found now? Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]I was there 3 weeks ago for a beer so obviously is was open. But it is nothing like the old days when you could find all ages there. What we said before is Climax is closed and many of the girls from there have moved to Hillary 2.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2051707]After many years of enjoying the openly available BBFS with CIP services in Germany a new law will bring that to a screeching halt from July 1. As a huge fan of BBFS with CIP what is the availability and where do I find BBFS in Bangkok? Best if I can play with two girls at once, I prefer 18-24 spinners. Thanks for intel.
DD.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051713]Nothing like this is openly available in Thailand. This is YMMV with the ladies. End of story and end of discussion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2051749]The short answer is you'll find it with some girls everywhere but not "openly". Being offered and getting Anal Sex is presented quite openly around town, but I have never seen BBFS touted openly anywhere in Thailand. Interesting to note then that I believe there are more abbreviations and phrases for what amounts to BBFS listed on this site than there are for Anal Sex. So it seems as though there are at least as many if not more discussions of BBFS expected here than for "A+" service (an abbreviation that is not included on this site's list, btw). LOL. Just start asking and you will get takers sooner or later, but make sure you ask as discretely and privately as possible...............[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2051785]I find getting LT with gogo girls to be the most productive way to get it. So that is the intell I want to share with you so that you enjoy your stay. But you are not guaranteed to get BBFS. So just be prepared that the given girl may not offer it and you may have to ditch her and get another. Also yes, YMMV. Some get it, some don't. There are a number of factors on this. Obviously someone who is experienced with getting it will know how to procure it...............[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RangeLove;2051753]I found BB girls in Bangkok in Climax and Crazy House. But you never know for sure. Sometimes they do and sometimes not. Or they forget bring their condoms. Then you say you haven't neither. Be. Be. Trios are even harder to find...........[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KenjiYoshioka;2051837]
This report was edited or deleted to remove complaints about the unsafe sex practices of another forum member. Per the Forum's Posting Guidelines, Unsafe Sex Complaints may only be posted in the safe sex thread. Members may also use the Forum's PM system to voice their complaints about the unsafe sex practices of another Forum Member.
Please do not post complaints about the unsafe sex practices of another forum members. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information.[/QUOTE]I tried to derail the topic by saying end of discussion for this very reason but some stubborn members just kept it going.

Just like complaints about safe sex must be kept in the safe sex thread, single posts with the main topic as BBFS are also not allowed. Fair is fair right. So let's be fair and keep the posts with BBFS service as the main topic out of the forum and the safe sex complaints to the safe sex thread. All will be happier in the end in my humble opinion. So again, there is nothing wrong with mentioning BBFS in a post but as I've read in the forum guidelines, BBFS cannot be the main topic of any one post. For example, where to find BBFS.

I'm sure I'll get criticized for this post by some members but I don't care. Jackson has been kind enough to provide this forum for our use and if I can help to limit the time he and the other moderators spend posting these blue messages and deleting posts I'm happy to do it.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2051987]Any Russian or Eastern European girls in Bangkok these days? Pattaya is out of the question for me just due to lack of time.[/QUOTE]Like Smoothy said yes they are, but I wouldn't recommend since most of the times they are fake. However you can look in backpage and few other sites where they put ads regarding there service with photos.

Let me start with Russians:

How to get them?

1 - Online advertisement portals like backpage. Most of the times once you confirm booking some other old ugly lady would come instead of the lady you booked for. You could say no but have to pay for the taxi which would be around 1 k. Arguing wouldn't be nice choice with them.

2 - Escort portals. Same story here, you book a girl and there are high chances another lady would come instead of her. However there are some reliable agencies who provide legit girls like What You See is What You Get. But again most of the times they would say they don't have any guarantee on the service they would provide, meaning the lady could be starfish in bed!

3 - Freelance clubs like Mixx. This is the best place to get a genuine white Russian chick since there is no middleman between the customer and lady, even you could bargain, ask questions about her service. Etc.

Now let's go for Euro Girls:

1 - Online advertisement portals like backpage / Escort portals. Both the places there are high chances the lady would Russian / Czech / Polish, I mean common they are white but they are not European.

2 - Freelance clubs like Mixx. You have to make sure the lady is European by any means you could.

However if your requirement is to get a Caucasian lady then why give a fuck about whether she is Russian or European, just get a nice lady and enjoy! But most of the times Russians will cheat you in any means.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2052018]Yes, there are.[/QUOTE]Loved it man, ultimate savage!!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2052331]I tried to derail the topic by saying end of discussion for this very reason but some stubborn members just kept it going.

Just like complaints about safe sex must be kept in the safe sex thread, single posts with the main topic as BBFS are also not allowed. Fair is fair right. So let's be fair and keep the posts with BBFS service as the main topic out of the forum and the safe sex complaints to the safe sex thread. All will be happier in the end in my humble opinion. So again, there is nothing wrong with mentioning BBFS in a post but as I've read in the forum guidelines, BBFS cannot be the main topic of any one post. For example, where to find BBFS.

I'm sure I'll get criticized for this post by some members but I don't care. Jackson has been kind enough to provide this forum for our use and if I can help to limit the time he and the other moderators spend posting these blue messages and deleting posts I'm happy to do it.[/QUOTE]First of all, it appears some posters couldn't care less what you think determines the "end of discussion" on anything and no matter how many times you respond that way re this topic. Luckily for you, that includes the moderators. Otherwise, your "end of discussion" command post on this topic would have been deleted without comment as fast as KenjiYoshioka's post was.

Second, I still say it is highly debatable whether or not that one guideline sentence among dozens about posts being the "focus of any report" is referring to non-judgmental, non-"safe sex taunting" posts on the general subject of BBFS or referring to the kind of judgmental posts you and KenjiYoshioka introduced into this forum's thread; namely, "safe sex taunting" posts. That specific issue is the total reference point of those guidelines in virtually every sentence that appears before and after that one, single sentence:

From the Guidelines:
"No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. [b]Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report.[/b] Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment."

Perhaps it is simply a matter of clumsy sentence structure, a misplaced or dropped word or two. I honestly think all evidence suggests they meant to say something more like, "Specifically, references to [b]other posters[/b] having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report." Just read that paragraph. "Safe sex taunting" is the point of reference for the sentence before that sentence and the one after it. That is what they are talking about. One has to pluck that one, single, solitary sentence totally out of context of the entire lengthy guidelines on this topic to conclude it means what you think it means.

Until and unless that issue is clarified by the moderators / administrators (which I welcome no matter which side it falls on), I will continue to conclude they are only talking about "safe sex taunting" posts in that one sentence and not posts such as DFWdude's original question and any and all non-judgmental and non-"safe sex taunting" replies to it.

My position is supported by the fact the virtually everything else in those guidelines, every other sentence, every reference, the entire tone and seeming purpose of that whole entry in the guidelines is there to warn against the kind of post that was deleted here and instead provides a lengthy defense of the kind of post DFWdude made, his question and every non-judgmental, non-"safe sex taunting" reply to it.

If it meant what you think it means, then DFWdude's original question about BBFS would have been deleted by the moderators as quickly as KenjiYoshioka's was because one cannot ask such a simple question in a post without it being the "focus of the report". But it wasn't deleted. It was left there in its entirety in order to allow other posters to respond and reply to it with any non-judgmental, non-"safe sex taunting" posts, replies, answers or comments they want. It is silly to expect posters to go off on a tangent about irrelevant issues within a single post just to get that one question in there in order to abide by your particular interpretation of the guideline. And then we can also get into the weeds about what constitutes a "report" vs a "question", an "answer", a "reply", a "comment" and so on.

As long as the moderators saw fit to leave DFWdude's original question post in place and unedited, which by logic and necessity meant the concept of BBFS was the entire "focus" of that post, then I call that evidence enough that the moderators are just fine with whatever non-judgmental, non-"safe sex taunting" replies the question garners and for how long it continues to interest enough posters to keep replying and commenting on it that way. Sorry, Bkkdog, but the evidence is overwhelming that it won't be up to you to decide when that time has arrived, now or ever.

Hello from Mumbai, India to all fellow brothers in Thailand,

I tried to RTFF but, wow. This country's forums or is it for-a are just fantastically huge filled with wonderful details about the all the whys and wherefores of mongering in not just BKK but Chiang Mai and Pattaya and what-not. Mind-boggling.

Notwithstanding the questionable reputation my countrymen often bring to your cities to say the least; Indian guy here coming solo to your beautiful country to sample some of the fine ladies though, plan to see some other sights too such as museums, head north to other towns etc.

Honest question here: My soldier is short and spends a lot of time dozing these days. The last one year has been a jump off a cliff in terms of activity. Ever since I hit 40,the Muay THai shots have been in slo-mo!

So, to any fellow brother out there who may suggest penile enlargement, through reputed doctors, I'd be highly obliged.

In return, I can provide some Indies, SPs, MPs here in Mumbai, not that you (the Swiss) need to leave your country for sampling chocolate!

Thank you in advance.

So my trip in Pattaya is coming to an end and I will be heading over to Bangkok tomorrow.

I am hoping to have more PSE experience (re: anal) and check off the bucket list item "MFM: double penetration". I mean go to any porn site and more than half of the videos have two guys stuffing girl in two or more holes, and if anywhere I can be done, it would be Bangkok, right? I had a trouble finding girls doing just anal at Pattaya!

Since I'm there for two nights, I do not have time to look for a guy partner, so I guess the next best thing is finding a ladyboy who are willing to fuck a girl together and not each other. I've found one that would do it for 4000 THB.

Now the next part is probably harder: finding a girl who does anal AND MFM. And I do not mean 50 year old hag you wouldn't fuck after 20 shots of vodka. I am hoping a hottie in her 20's. Yes I dream big.

Here I inquire the sages of ISG. Where oh where would I be able to find such a combination of beauty and talent?

[QUOTE=Mander;2052690]So ....I am hoping to have more PSE experience (re: anal) and check off the bucket list item "MFM: double penetration". *snip*
Here I inquire the sages of ISG. Where oh where would I be able to find such a combination of beauty and talent?[/QUOTE]Hate to bust your bubble, Mander, but with 48 hours on the ground? You will find that combination only in your dreams.

But let us know how it turns out. TTG.

[QUOTE=Mander;2052690]So my trip in Pattaya is coming to an end and I will be heading over to Bangkok tomorrow.

I am hoping to have more PSE experience (re: anal) and check off the bucket list item "MFM: double penetration". I mean go to any porn site and more than half of the videos have two guys stuffing girl in two or more holes, and if anywhere I can be done, it would be Bangkok, right? I had a trouble finding girls doing just anal at Pattaya!

Since I'm there for two nights, I do not have time to look for a guy partner, so I guess the next best thing is finding a ladyboy who are willing to fuck a girl together and not each other. I've found one that would do it for 4000 THB.

Now the next part is probably harder: finding a girl who does anal AND MFM. And I do not mean 50 year old hag you wouldn't fuck after 20 shots of vodka. I am hoping a hottie in her 20's. Yes I dream big.

Here I inquire the sages of ISG. Where oh where would I be able to find such a combination of beauty and talent?[/QUOTE]I don't find your request that difficult. Why not just PM a few ISG members to go hunting with you. I'm not in for that but I think some others might be. Secondly, I have seen that very thing on CL where a lady and ladyboy combo were on offer. I would go to Nana Plaza and ask some of the ladies. I think you could find because I have seen many videos made in Thailand with threesomes MFM. I would also try asking the ladyboys in the bars. They often have willing female friends. But the easiest would be for you to PM another ISG memeber who you know is local and go with him. I know for a fact, many ladies would be up for it in the go go bars as long as you paid her twice, once for each guy. It's easy money for them. If you become a cheap Charlie and want her to duck 2 guys but only pay her once, this is when you will have difficulty.

Oh I bet Dao or any other Tulip girl who also be up for that. Good luck.

Thanks for your reply in the Bangkok thread.

I'm kinda sold on MFM with a ladyboy. I could be wrong, but I think I would be much more comfortable with a ladyboy than other man. Plus, in my experience in MFMF (no anal) in Pattaya, I had an ISG buddy, but it was quite harder because we both needed to like the girl and other logistics. I'd rather pay a LB and call my shots. As for rate for girl, yeah I am expecting double rate (3000 x2?) plus a-level cost (1000-2000? Which would total damage around 10 k 12 k THB. Is that reasonable?

Can you name any Agogo bars I should try? I've looked up Eden, but the girls didn't look that hot. Tulip didn't have any internet presence. Would I be able to find 20-26 years old 8's and 9's?

Thanks! And I hope I've provided a nice distraction from BBFS topic as well.

[QUOTE=Mander;2052764]Thanks for your reply in the Bangkok thread.

I'm kinda sold on MFM with a ladyboy. I could be wrong, but I think I would be much more comfortable with a ladyboy than other man. Plus, in my experience in MFMF (no anal) in Pattaya, I had an ISG buddy, but it was quite harder because we both needed to like the girl and other logistics. I'd rather pay a LB and call my shots. As for rate for girl, yeah I am expecting double rate (3000 x2?) plus a-level cost (1000-2000? Which would total damage around 10 k 12 k THB. Is that reasonable?

Can you name any Agogo bars I should try? I've looked up Eden, but the girls didn't look that hot. Tulip didn't have any internet presence. Would I be able to find 20-26 years old 8's and 9's?

Thanks! And I hope I've provided a nice distraction from BBFS topic as well.[/QUOTE]I can't recommend anything other than what I've said already accept using We Chat.

[QUOTE=SleightOfHand;2052682]
So, to any fellow brother out there who may suggest penile enlargement, through reputed doctors, I'd be highly obliged.
[/QUOTE]Stickman has mentioned a newly opened enlargement shop in one of his recent columns, I think it was called "he Clinic", near Thonglor. This is not a recommendation / endorsement. The idea of enlargement terrifies me, any extensive medical procedure has risks and it would probably not actually enhance your performance, surely not during the recovery period.

Could you simply try Viagra / Cialis and the generic alternatives? Working girls don't give a damn about how big you are (unless you're too big). For regular girls, if you got into their pants, the size of your member will not make them either stay or leave the relationship. If you worry, good DATY (cunnilingus) technique is far, far more effective in getting the woman satisfied than extra 1-2 inches, and it can be learned, no surgery needed.

Thank you for the response. Crocexp.

Have tried some great pills. The problem with those: Major Acidity and breathlessness that stays for a couple of days. Of course, due precautions noted. Won't undergo anything without proper guidance / warnings etc.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2052840]Stickman has mentioned a newly opened enlargement shop in one of his recent columns, I think it was called "he Clinic", near Thonglor. This is not a recommendation / endorsement. The idea of enlargement terrifies me, any extensive medical procedure has risks and it would probably not actually enhance your performance, surely not during the recovery period.

Could you simply try Viagra / Cialis and the generic alternatives? Working girls don't give a damn about how big you are (unless you're too big). For regular girls, if you got into their pants, the size of your member will not make them either stay or leave the relationship. If you worry, good DATY (cunnilingus) technique is far, far more effective in getting the woman satisfied than extra 1-2 inches, and it can be learned, no surgery needed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mander;2052764]I'm kinda sold on MFM with a ladyboy. *snip* Can you name any Agogo bars I should try? I've looked up Eden, but the girls didn't look that hot. Tulip didn't have any internet presence. Would I be able to find 20-26 years old 8's and 9's?
l.[/QUOTE]There was a report from a guy who went to Tulip with a friend, wanting a MFM session and had no takers at the shop. If the ladies aren't up for it in the shop where the situation is controlled, I have trouble believing they'll go out with an unknown man or men. (Actually, Eden is a better bet.) You will not find 20-25 year old Women, that you would rate 8 or 9 at Tulip or Eden.

[QUOTE=Mander;2052690]So my trip in Pattaya is coming to an end and I will be heading over to Bangkok tomorrow.

I am hoping to have more PSE experience (re: anal) and check off the bucket list item "MFM: double penetration". I mean go to any porn site and more than half of the videos have two guys stuffing girl in two or more holes, and if anywhere I can be done, it would be Bangkok, right? I had a trouble finding girls doing just anal at Pattaya!

[/QUOTE]First the MFFFFM orgy and now DPs! You are an animal! LOL. I like your style, my friend.

I think it may be difficult to find the DP with 20 year old girl on short notice. The closest I've come is with two girls form Devli's Den a few years back. Me and one of the girls DPed the other (her using a strap on). Hot stuff!

I'd go to one of the bars at Nana or Soi Cowboy (like Cockatoo) that has hot LBs and ask one of them if she has a GF that is in to that. Another potential roadblock to your plan is also that some of the hotter LBs are taking a lot of female hormones and their equipment doesn't really work anymore.

Arrived late afternoon yesterday.

Checked into the Radisson Blu in sukhumvit. It's a lovely hotel. Close to all the action.

I went to club 102. See detailed report for that in the massage section.

The fist bar I hit was crazy house at about 8 pm. They must have had about 50 to 75 girls. It was buzzing. I tipped the mammasan 100 thb and she got me a seat right close to the stage. I was there till about 10 pm. It's got a good vibe. It's a crazy wild gogo. Breaking balloons from spitting arrows from the "you know where " to body painting. I bought a few ld. And some of the girls spent some time with me. Boldly rubbing my boner in front of everyone. Well I was not alone. This was quite a common sight. I enjoyed it except for one girl who stayed with me for not more than 2 minutes. After I bought her a ld. Thb 300. She wanted me to BF her for 700 thb and her rates are 3 k. The moment I said I am not keen on BF and just want to enjoy drinking and messing around she excused herself saying she wanted to use the toilet. And never to be seen. Stink.

I left the crazy horse at about 2200 or 2215 and headed to barracca. It's was ok. Didn't like the fare that much. They were painting one of the girls on stage. And it was a bit boring. I left after 1 drink and headed to suzi wong. I liked suzi wong. They had three girls on stage washing and gathering each other. It was fun. I noticed there were lot of tourist girls drinking at the bar. I don't know if it is a regular or it was just yesterday. More like backpackers. Hardly any cash on them. And they wanted me to buy them drinks. I knew I will get absolutely nothing in reruturn. One of them took my line ID. She was from Austria. Let's see if that materializes to something interesting.

It was now past midnight and I headed for a bite to eat. Had some dinner and hit the bed.

Here is my summary. The bars are really run down. It looks good in the photos or websites. Photo shopped. The crazy horse was amazing. I may BF one of them these days.

I noticed some Indians were not allowed inside. But even though I look like an Indian I was not subjected to being reduced entry into any of the bars.

Enjoy.

G.

Dear all,

I'm landing in BKK Friday in the evening around 8:30 in the evening. This time my objective is to try a GoGo lady who is ready to giver her butt up to me.

As per my experience what options do I have?

1: Olilies. Don't want to try since ladies aren't that hot. This would be my last luck.

2: Freelance / Online Boards. Don't have much time since heading Chiang Mai in the next afternoon and I honestly don't trust them!

3: Escorts. Expensive (2,000 per shot). Keeping them second last luck.

4: GoGos. Last time I tried asking mamasan about a 3-holes, which she couldn't understand. I remember I used words like Anal, A+, Ass but she still couldn't get it.

As per an earlier report there is a confirmed lady available at CH who is into giving her butt up, but again it's Friday night, I'm reaching late to club (may be around 10:30 after checking-in and getting freshened up) so not sure whether she would have been taken up by another gentleman.

Here I seek some info / lead from you all to find a match for my requirement but mostly into GoGos. Drop me a message if you know any direct contact, would appreciate a lot!

Tom.

Night 2 started off with a few beers at the hotel Radisson Blu executive lounge. And then I headed off straight to baccara as I liked some of the girls the previous night. The bar is spread accros 3 floors all have glass floors. The girls wear school uniform to something like a cheer leader top and skirt. No knickers or bra. The best seat IMHO is the sofas on the second row. You get to see what's in front of you and what's above you.

I met this girl who was dancing proactively on the 1st floor and was flashing her pussy at my. Het name is ice and she was hot. Bought her two lds and we chatted. But I was not ready to BF her. Night was too young for me to retreat. She had a slight bad breath which was a turn off and I was concerned about the probable smell from the other hole. I let her go and told her I am off to another club and will come back later. She was quite confident and told me she will be gone when I return as she is very popular. Her number is 13.

I headed off to spazzo. Loved the place. Nice band and loads of pretty girls. Some are classy and some thrash. I did notice a few ld. So watch out if this is not your thing.

I met this lovely Singapore Malay girl. She was so submissive. That I almost thought I will have to do all the work in bed. She wanted 3 k for a few hours. Later I met with another kazak girl mila. Awesome to talk to. Speaks good english and had a good sense if humor. Her rates are usd 400 for a night. I was like wtf. Enjoyed a few more rounds and saw a viet chick with massive bolt-ONS. She wanted 8 k for the night. Anyway I passed on all of these and returned back to baccara. And Ice was gone. Her number is 13 by the way.

I met another girl 91 lucky. Nice chick. Good english. Nice job on her boobs too and agreed to be for 5 k long time. Got her some food from family mart on the way back.

She gave me a good was in the shower and a decent covered BJ.

Another night of fun in LOS continues.

G.

I left Pattaya behind (see my report at Pattaya Thread) and headed for Bangkok. I was previously searching for a girl to act as a tour guide and fun in the sack. Eventually I dropped the idea of tour guide, but I did find a web site [URL]mythaitourguide.com[/URL] which I liked because it detailed everything and had great info. I've signed up for VIP for $100, which I was given a discount toward my first appointment.

Checked into a nice luxury hotel at 1:00 PM and hung out. My appointment was at 4:00 PM. Kea arrived and I was very glad to see her. She looked just like the picture. Pretty face and very very petite. She wore a classy dress and looked a little bit shy, but eventually warmed up. Came into my suite and I've asked "shower or bath? To which she choose bath. I was glad because I've selected a suite with round bath that can fit 2-4 people for this purpose. We enjoyed our bubble bath. She was rail-thin and training-bra sized breast. We kissed, explored each other's body, and I got up, sat in the bath and she gave me a nice BBBJ.

Came out of bath, we dried each other and moved onto the bed. More kisses and I ate her out with her moaning with pleasure. Changed to 69 where she gave me nice DT. I was ready for more serious action, so I suited up, and she came down on me cow-girl. Needless to say, she was very fucking tight, but I eventually built a good rhythm. I had to fuck her from behind to see the slim ass and waist, so switched to K9 where I began to pound away at her. BAM BAM BAM BAM! I lifted one of the leg, laid her sideways and transition to my favorite position while furiously banging away at her. Eventually we came to a huge climax and she cooled me down with a massage. She wasn't up for seconds, but we had a nice convo and hung out. She was hungry, so I took her to the hotel restaurant where she ordered a salad (of course!) and I had an early dinner.

After sending her away, I basked in the glory of giving a nice fucking to a hot girl and took a nap. I woke up around 10:00 PM feeling tired and having a bad case of acid overflux, but I wasn't ready to call it a day. I had to try one of the renown massage parlors in Bangkok (sorry had to lump the report together here). So I took a cap to Tulip massage. When I got there, it was 11:00 PM and the place was closing in an hour. I had to hurry up and the girls lined up. The selection was pretty sad. All of them are well-seasoned (aged) and look ranged between 5-7's. I picked the best looking girl named "Gop" and we headed upstairs. The place was quite seedy, but Gop washed me in a shower and we got down to action. A little tongue bath and she was sucking on my nipples. I liked how many Thai girls liked to suck on my nipple. Then she gave me a nice BBBJ and increased the tempo to furious DT. I managed to hold on, and soon we wrapped up for action. I didn't come here for just a normal sex, and Gop was ready for anything! Fucked her doggy, pulled my dick out, then slid it into her asshole. Ahhhh that feels tight and much better! I pounded away at her ass switching from A-to-V-to-A-to-V etc. Before I realize it, I was pounding away at her with all my strength, but managed to not cum. I asked for CIM which she gladly obliged. I laid down and she began to DT me furiously, then I came with a strong climax where my whole body pulsated. I asked her if she is up for MFM if I brought another guy and she said yes. May be I will bring a ladyboy here to cross "MFM with DP" off my bucket list.

I wobbled my way out of the place, as it was shutting down, and bought a anti-acid at nearby pharmacy. It was 1:00 AM and still a bit too early to call it a night. So I hopped onto a cap and headed to Nana Plaza where it was much more livery. I was surprised at how many Agogo bars were tightly packed into a 3-floor complex. Many places had pretty hot girls, and it began to rain and downpour, so I was kinda trapped in the building. Many bars here were much more livery than Pattaya, and half the girls were either topless, naked, or at least wore see-thru bikinis, which I guess mean they would most likely deliver and not flake out. I came across Straps, and damn. The girls looked fucking hot as hell! Unlike many Agogo girls, they had none or very few tatoos, and had more of K-pop girl looks. I knew the place had a mix of ladyboy and real girl, but everyone was wearing a semi see-thru skimpy bikini, so I could tell if any of them were packing a heat, so to say. But I had enough action today, so I just ordered drink, enjoyed the view and bought mamasan a drink because I felt generous. One of the girl kept winking at me like one of the hot K-pop girl (see an example of one attached gif) that was so fucking irresistibly cute! So I bought her a drink, and she kept asking to go ST upstairs for 3000 THB. Her winks and smiles with lip biting was almost too hot for me, but I was determined to rest for today. Said farewell and came out. Damn. It's really pouring out there! I went around the building and checked out other bars, but concluded that Straps had the hottest girl there. It was 2:00 AM and the place was closing down. The girl were elated to see me back and what can you do? You can only resist that wink for so long. Booked her for ST.

Within the building was a ST hotel which I paid 350 plus 40 for condom. I'd forgotten to bring my own! Anyways I paid up, went up to a seedy room and took shower together. I made sure to not touch the bedsheet because the place was seedy as hell, and laid out on my towel. Nice BBBJ and she mounts me CG. She had a nice set of breast that was semi bolt-on, but not quite. I enjoyed them regardless. It's getting long, but I am not getting anywhere close to ending because THE FUCKING CONDOM WAS TOO TIGHT! It was literally squeezing my dick so hard so I can't feel much pleasure. I switched to mish and I pound away at her but still can't finish it. Eventually I run out of breath and energy and lay down. She suggest we switch to a bigger condom, which would be additional 40 THB. I go at her again mish and this time feels much better! I pound away at her until I finally cum.

Later I had to wonder if she was a post-op ladyboy since the place is known for LB. It would be my first tranny experience, but who knows and I certainly don't care as long as they are fucking hot, and don't have a dong between their legs.

And that's it for today boys and girls and ladyboys! Tomorrow I will try to find girl and LB for MFM DP.

Note: You're not allowed to link pictures, but posting is limited to 360 K? Seriously?

[QUOTE=Mander;2053458]I left Pattaya behind (see my report at Pattaya Thread) and headed for Bangkok. I was previously searching for a girl to act as a tour guide and fun in the sack. Eventually I dropped the idea of tour guide, but I did find a web site [URL]mythaitourguide.com[/URL] which I liked because it detailed everything and had great info. I've signed up for VIP for $100, which I was given a discount toward my first appointment.

[/QUOTE]It looks like you have hit your groove in BKK. Maybe you are more of a BKK guy? Personally I like both but prefer Pattya because the disco FLs are hotter there (IMHO).


Good luck with your quest. I have my fingers crossed and look forward to your next installment.

Stay horny my friend.

You-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2053519]It looks like you have hit your groove in BKK. Maybe you are more of a BKK guy? Personally I like both but prefer Pattya because the disco FLs are hotter there (IMHO).


Good luck with your quest. I have my fingers crossed and look forward to your next installment.

Stay horny my friend.

You-V.[/QUOTE]There are few things I regret from my Pattaya trip. I ended up chasing and wasting time on a hot young agogo girls who ended up not delivering. I wish I did have a time to visit DD, or invest on a FL from clubs.

Bkk looks much more straight forward and seems to deliver as promised. Today I passed by few massage places.. one Japanese and B&B massage on Soi 26. The girls looked incredibly hot.. easily 9s and may be 10s. Had I not been looking for PSE, I'd definitely gone for them. Infact, if agogo bars don't work for me, I'll go back to this place.

[QUOTE=Mander;2053571]There are few things I regret from my Pattaya trip. I ended up chasing and wasting time on a hot young agogo girls who ended up not delivering. I wish I did have a time to visit DD, or invest on a FL from clubs.[/QUOTE]Bangkok has a club similar to DD called Eden Club located on Suk soi 7/1. Two ladies 90 minutes 4200 baht. They have strap-on toys so you could accomplish your 'dual wood' threesome that way. I believe there was a recent ISG report which included details of some double penetration. No commitment to stop by and check out the lineup. Good luck and keep us updated on how you make out in Bangkok.

SL.

[QUOTE=Mander;2053571]There are few things I regret from my Pattaya trip. I ended up chasing and wasting time on a hot young agogo girls who ended up not delivering. I wish I did have a time to visit DD, or invest on a FL from clubs.

Bkk looks much more straight forward and seems to deliver as promised. Today I passed by few massage places.. one Japanese and B&B massage on Soi 26. The girls looked incredibly hot.. easily 9s and may be 10s. Had I not been looking for PSE, I'd definitely gone for them. Infact, if agogo bars don't work for me, I'll go back to this place.[/QUOTE]You did great for your first trip and hopefully you will be back to experience all the delights you may have missed out on. .

Thanks for the info on Soi 26. Always worth a look. I regret not checking it out last trip. But I had an extended GFE that turned into kind of a nightmare. 555.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2053586]Bangkok has a club similar to DD called Eden Club located on Suk soi 7/1. Two ladies 90 minutes 4200 baht. They have strap-on toys so you could accomplish your 'dual wood' threesome that way. I believe there was a recent ISG report which included details of some double penetration. No commitment to stop by and check out the lineup. Good luck and keep us updated on how you make out in Bangkok.

SL.[/QUOTE]Yeah I looked at Eden Club. Couldn't find pictures of girl I'd like on their web site. I am looking for 8 and above.

[QUOTE=Mander;2053458]I left Pattaya behind (see my report at Pattaya Thread) and headed for Bangkok. I was previously searching for a girl to act as a tour guide and fun in the sack. Eventually I dropped the idea of tour guide, but I did find a web site [URL]mythaitourguide.com[/URL] which I liked because it detailed everything and had great info. I've signed up for VIP for $100, which I was given a discount toward my first appointment.

Checked into a nice luxury hotel at 1:00 PM and hung out. My appointment was at 4:00 PM. Kea arrived and I was very glad to see her. She looked just like the picture. Pretty face and very very petite. She wore a classy dress and looked a little bit shy, but eventually warmed up. Came into my suite and I've asked "shower or bath? To which she choose bath. I was glad because I've selected a suite with round bath that can fit 2-4 people for this purpose. We enjoyed our bubble bath. She was rail-thin and training-bra sized breast. We kissed, explored each other's body, and I got up, sat in the bath and she gave me a nice BBBJ.

Came out of bath, we dried each other and moved onto the bed. More kisses and I ate her out with her moaning with pleasure. Changed to 69 where she gave me nice DT. I was ready for more serious action, so I suited up, and she came down on me cow-girl. Needless to say, she was very fucking tight, but I eventually built a good rhythm. I had to fuck her from behind to see the slim ass and waist, so switched to K9 where I began to pound away at her. BAM BAM BAM BAM! I lifted one of the leg, laid her sideways and transition to my favorite position while furiously banging away at her. Eventually we came to a huge climax and she cooled me down with a massage. She wasn't up for seconds, but we had a nice convo and hung out. She was hungry, so I took her to the hotel restaurant where she ordered a salad (of course!) and I had an early dinner.

After sending her away, I basked in the glory of giving a nice fucking to a hot girl and took a nap. I woke up around 10:00 PM feeling tired and having a bad case of acid overflux, but I wasn't ready to call it a day. I had to try one of the renown massage parlors in Bangkok (sorry had to lump the report together here). So I took a cap to Tulip massage. When I got there, it was 11:00 PM and the place was closing in an hour. I had to hurry up and the girls lined up. The selection was pretty sad. All of them are well-seasoned (aged) and look ranged between 5-7's. I picked the best looking girl named "Gop" and we headed upstairs. The place was quite seedy, but Gop washed me in a shower and we got down to action. A little tongue bath and she was sucking on my nipples. I liked how many Thai girls liked to suck on my nipple. Then she gave me a nice BBBJ and increased the tempo to furious DT. I managed to hold on, and soon we wrapped up for action. I didn't come here for just a normal sex, and Gop was ready for anything! Fucked her doggy, pulled my dick out, then slid it into her asshole. Ahhhh that feels tight and much better! I pounded away at her ass switching from A-to-V-to-A-to-V etc. Before I realize it, I was pounding away at her with all my strength, but managed to not cum. I asked for CIM which she gladly obliged. I laid down and she began to DT me furiously, then I came with a strong climax where my whole body pulsated. I asked her if she is up for MFM if I brought another guy and she said yes. May be I will bring a ladyboy here to cross "MFM with DP" off my bucket list.

I wobbled my way out of the place, as it was shutting down, and bought a anti-acid at nearby pharmacy. It was 1:00 AM and still a bit too early to call it a night. So I hopped onto a cap and headed to Nana Plaza where it was much more livery. I was surprised at how many Agogo bars were tightly packed into a 3-floor complex. Many places had pretty hot girls, and it began to rain and downpour, so I was kinda trapped in the building. Many bars here were much more livery than Pattaya, and half the girls were either topless, naked, or at least wore see-thru bikinis, which I guess mean they would most likely deliver and not flake out. I came across Straps, and damn. The girls looked fucking hot as hell! Unlike many Agogo girls, they had none or very few tatoos, and had more of K-pop girl looks. I knew the place had a mix of ladyboy and real girl, but everyone was wearing a semi see-thru skimpy bikini, so I could tell if any of them were packing a heat, so to say. But I had enough action today, so I just ordered drink, enjoyed the view and bought mamasan a drink because I felt generous. One of the girl kept winking at me like one of the hot K-pop girl (see an example of one attached gif) that was so fucking irresistibly cute! So I bought her a drink, and she kept asking to go ST upstairs for 3000 THB. Her winks and smiles with lip biting was almost too hot for me, but I was determined to rest for today. Said farewell and came out. Damn. It's really pouring out there! I went around the building and checked out other bars, but concluded that Straps had the hottest girl there. It was 2:00 AM and the place was closing down. The girl were elated to see me back and what can you do? You can only resist that wink for so long. Booked her for ST.

Within the building was a ST hotel which I paid 350 plus 40 for condom. I'd forgotten to bring my own! Anyways I paid up, went up to a seedy room and took shower together. I made sure to not touch the bedsheet because the place was seedy as hell, and laid out on my towel. Nice BBBJ and she mounts me CG. She had a nice set of breast that was semi bolt-on, but not quite. I enjoyed them regardless. It's getting long, but I am not getting anywhere close to ending because THE FUCKING CONDOM WAS TOO TIGHT! It was literally squeezing my dick so hard so I can't feel much pleasure. I switched to mish and I pound away at her but still can't finish it. Eventually I run out of breath and energy and lay down. She suggest we switch to a bigger condom, which would be additional 40 THB. I go at her again mish and this time feels much better! I pound away at her until I finally cum.

Later I had to wonder if she was a post-op ladyboy since the place is known for LB. It would be my first tranny experience, but who knows and I certainly don't care as long as they are fucking hot, and don't have a dong between their legs.

And that's it for today boys and girls and ladyboys! Tomorrow I will try to find girl and LB for MFM DP.

Note: You're not allowed to link pictures, but posting is limited to 360 K? Seriously?[/QUOTE]Great way to spend an eveinging. You will find that this is very difficult to do in Pattaya and I actually don't know why. In Pattaya, I often find myself with one lady for the whole night, where in Bangkok, I can do two or three within a 4-5 hour period. Just a heads up, Straps is strictly post op ladyboys. Anyways, great report. You should really check out Mixx club and Spasso and Levels if you want to find some real stunners on the FL side. Thermae and Soi Cowboy caster to a lot of Japanese but go to CH for sure.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2053610]Straps is strictly post op ladyboys.[/QUOTE]Well damn! I knew there are LB agogos, LB + girls agogos, and LB + post-ops agogo. But I never imagined that there would be postops-only agogo!! That explains alot. They all had at least c-cups and artificial looks. But the weird vibes were there. I even asked the mamasan and she said real girls! And I thought I and she was getting along so well. T_T

Strange how nobody there was up for anal. Being LB before post-ops, you'd think they've done plenty of it!

I'm on my way out of Thailand and returned my PocketWifi. I'll write up and post my day 2 report when I get home. But in short,I couldn't find anyone up for MFM, much less anal. And I had pretty bad result from agogo bars hopping :(

[QUOTE=Mander;2053898]
Strange how nobody there was up for anal. Being LB before post-ops, you'd think they've done plenty of it! ([/QUOTE] Well that's exactly the reason I think. It reminds them too much of the time they still had that awful dick, LOL.

I had an urge to just bar hop and have some fun the the bars.

I had an early dinner at indulge Thai fusion not far from soi cowboy on sukhumvit road. Lovely food and beer on tap.

Finished and headed to after skool as my first bar. There were some good ones. I bought myself and beer and all of sudden 2 oldish aunties sat next to me and started stroking me as a kid in a candy store. I tipped them both 100 each as I didn't want my Dick massaged by a lady double my age. Ok. That's exaggerating. Ok 20 years older than me. !

There were 2 girls at the other end of the bar and I beckoned them over. 2 drinks for them was prescribed. And the girls got to business. Seeing my meanness they asked me if I need a BBBJ there. I declined as I was more for the fun. And maybe I may return later.

1. Afterskool.

BBBJ 1 k.

Girls surely have a few miles on the oddomerer. But unsure how the service will be. They all had some considerable baby fat and belly. Good boobs tho. They wore stockings for some reason.

Next one was toy bar. I liked the set up. They had girls as well as coyotes. The mammasan is very friendly. The girls are all well past the use by date. I will not take them back even if I had 3 beer goggles at the same time. I had two coyotes by my side and had them order themselves some drinks. 200 thb for 1 drink was a bit steep for a bar like that. This girl really warmed up to me. Her number is 51. Lovely girl next door type. Been there only 2 weeks. Speaks minimal or no English. She was again massaging me with her hands well inside the shorts. I had my hand in her bikini a few times to check and she had a lovely untrimmed Bush. All natural. I would have barfined her. The girls are 600 thb but the coyotes are 3 k BF and 5 k for her for LT. No way I am spending 8 k for a bar girl.

I took her number and decided to skip.

2. Toybar.

Ld: 200.

BF: normal girl minimal age 35 + is 600 thb.

Coyote is 3 k thb.

I headed off to another bar. Next to sharks. Sorry can't remeber. They had uninterested girls dancing on stage. I ordered a draught beer and it ended up flat as a pancake. I called the waitress and asked her to change it and she wanted me to pay for 2 beers. Now this is not service. I called for the manager and told him. I know a bit about beers and I know when a beer is flat and you need to go and replace your barrel. He said he will change it for free but I told him I didn't like the attitude of his staff and even if he was to give a free beer I will not return back. I am no push over.

I headed to Rio as they had loads of girls outside. Nice bar. But it's a coyote bar. 200 ld and you cannot barfined the girl.

Next stop lilac. Lovely set up. Great aircon. Loads of girls and coyote. Coyotes wear shorts and girls wear skirts with no panties. Ld is 200 again. Had 1 girl just to give me some company. Why I don't like the set up is that you really can't see the girls from your chair as they are dancing poles all over the place. But a nice ventilated bar.

I went to baccara and the girl I bar fined the previous day was there and was all over me like a rash. She was desperate for me to BF her again. Nice girl but I don't repeat on these places.

I met another girl who I liked also. 262. Awesome figure and booty. I bought her a drink. And she sat with me a while and once done had to go and dance. So sent her off. She said she will come back later. But right after the dance someone just barfined her and off she went. I missed her. Well I noticed at this bar. You have to be super quick.

I headed off to doll house. Surely this place has had its glory days and is an a dire need for a facelift. Girls are really not into it and the music is stale. All the girls were doing was moving their legs 5 cm either side and shaking their hips.

Headed off to cowboy 2 as by now I had too many beers and was struggling to walk in a straight line.

Again mainly a coyote bar. I was taken to the corner sofa and two girls were literally gyrating on me. Awesome fun. But I was now scared I will make a rash decision and throw some money on some crap girl and I will just crash out when I reach the room. I controlled myself and returned to my room. As I had a uni student visiting me the next morning. More on that later.

So here is my summary.

My favourite bar is crazy house and baccara.

I loved the coyote at toybar. Number 51. But if not for 3 k BF I would have taken her.

Enjoy.

G.

I usually don't trust the online dating sites. It's mostly hit and miss.

I signed up for the membership about 2 weeks prior to my arrival and made good success in chatting with loads of 7's and 8's. All either working in hotels, studying. Shop assistant etc.

All the ones I was talking to agreed to meet when I reach. But when I got here and made contact no one bothered to reply to me. Except 1 student girl. A nice bust 22 year old tourism student. She is on her summer holidays.

I arranged to meet with her during the day today as she can't meet overnight due to family issues. Fine with me. She was spot on punctual and arrived at 1100 . I wanted to do a bit of shopping and wanted a Thai wingman who could take me to the real bargain places rather than the touristy malls.

She changed into a t-shirt of mine and we ended up a quick round 1. She was so wet. That's what I like about real part timers. They are really wet and it doesn't take much effort to get them that wet and ready. We had another quick shower and off to one of the local shops where I bought some leathers bags. And a really good price.

Had lunch and returned back to the room. On the way back she asked me if we can have a foot massage together. I was only keen on a pedicure. So she had a foot massage while I had my legs cleaned and cared for.

Back to room for round 2. This time more rough. She wanted me to use 2 fingers in her. Two soon became 3 as she relaxed and came violently in my palm. And squirted on the sheets. Another really sloppy BBBJ. And she mounted me once I got suited in the rubber. We went at it like long operated lovers. And switched to doggy. Then me standing on the side of the bed and she spreadeagled on the bed. Then I got on the bed for the final assault. In missionary.

I came strongly and we cuddled up together. My sweat mixed with hers. As she slowly helped me release me from her vaginal embrace. Cleaned up and we showered together one last time.

This is why. I keep coming back to pinalove and Thai friendly. As I know it's real hard work and it is more luck than anything for you to find that diamond. More miss that hit. But that 1 hit I get pays off for all the lousy lays I have had.

We walked off together and dropped her off in a taxi.

Total damage 5000 plus 500 taxi fare.

From 11 until 7 pm. No complaints.

She speaks fluent English.

Enjoy.

G.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;2054406]I usually don't trust the online dating sites. It's mostly hit and miss.

I signed up for the membership about 2 weeks prior to my arrival and made good success in chatting with loads of 7's and 8's. All either working in hotels, studying. Shop assistant etc.

All the ones I was talking to agreed to meet when I reach. But when I got here and made contact no one bothered to reply to me. Except 1 student girl. A nice bust 22 year old tourism student. She is on her summer holidays.

I arranged to meet with her during the day today as she can't meet overnight due to family issues. Fine with me. She was spot on punctual and arrived at 1100 . I wanted to do a bit of shopping and wanted a Thai wingman who could take me to the real bargain places rather than the touristy malls.

She changed into a t-shirt of mine and we ended up a quick round 1. She was so wet. That's what I like about real part timers. They are really wet and it doesn't take much effort to get them that wet and ready. We had another quick shower and off to one of the local shops where I bought some leathers bags. And a really good price.

Had lunch and returned back to the room. On the way back she asked me if we can have a foot massage together. I was only keen on a pedicure. So she had a foot massage while I had my legs cleaned and cared for.

Back to room for round 2. This time more rough. She wanted me to use 2 fingers in her. Two soon became 3 as she relaxed and came violently in my palm. And squirted on the sheets. Another really sloppy BBBJ. And she mounted me once I got suited in the rubber. We went at it like long operated lovers. And switched to doggy. Then me standing on the side of the bed and she spreadeagled on the bed. Then I got on the bed for the final assault. In missionary.

I came strongly and we cuddled up together. My sweat mixed with hers. As she slowly helped me release me from her vaginal embrace. Cleaned up and we showered together one last time.

This is why. I keep coming back to pinalove and Thai friendly. As I know it's real hard work and it is more luck than anything for you to find that diamond. More miss that hit. But that 1 hit I get pays off for all the lousy lays I have had.

We walked off together and dropped her off in a taxi.

Total damage 5000 plus 500 taxi fare.

From 11 until 7 pm. No complaints.

She speaks fluent English.

Enjoy.

G.[/QUOTE]Amd Thai Friendly does not work? LOL. That's a great story mate. Good one on you. Another excellent example of how things can go if you are smart and a gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2054473]Amd Thai Friendly does not work? LOL. That's a great story mate. Good one on you. Another excellent example of how things can go if you are smart and a gentlemen.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gunners1;2054406]I usually don't trust the online dating sites. It's mostly hit and miss.
I signed up for the membership about 2 weeks prior to my arrival and made good success in chatting with loads of 7's and 8's. All either working in hotels, studying. Shop assistant etc.
All the ones I was talking to agreed to meet when I reach. But when I got here and made contact no one bothered to reply to me. Except 1 student girl. A nice bust 22 year old tourism student. She is on her summer holidays. G.[/QUOTE]Yes apparently it works. Sometimes. He has been chatting with (in his own words) loads of 7's and 8's but when he got there no one bothered to reply to him anymore except for this 1 girl. And I thought WeChat was time consuming, LOL.
But I agree with you Bkkdog that it's a good example of how things can go if you are smart and a gentlemen and that every once in a while you can hit the jackpot with these dating sites and chat apps.

Recently I stumbled upon a girl on WeChat who looked too good to be true for P4 P but didn't seem to be a 'good' girl either. She was drop dead gorgeous, a solid 9, and on the one hand her profile and pictures looked quite decent and conservative but on the other hand 'inviting'. So I sent her a greeting and she replied within 10 minutes or so. She said she was working in a massage parlor on Sukhumvit and invited me to come over. I thought 'yeah right' and asked her if she could send me some pictures that proofed she was really working there (none of the pics on her profile showed her as a massage girl) and she promptly did. I asked her a few other questions to make sure she was real and made her promise that she would give me the massage and no one else.
I was still not 100% convinced but went to her parlor anyway and to my astonishment she was really there. A solid 9 who could easily make a fortune in a top agogo was working in a small massage parlor with a couple of fat old 5's and 6's as colleagues.

In the massage booth there was a note on the door that said 'no prostitution' and the first half of the session gave me the impression this was indeed a 'massage only' shop. But in the second half, when I had turned on my back and was chatting her up a little bit, it soon turned out that 'a happy end' was possible. And eventually she admitted she was a 'bad' girl who went with customers to their hotel sometimes if she liked them. Now it was getting interesting and after some negotiation we agreed on 500 Baht 'barfine' for the parlor plus 2000 Baht for her for BBBJ, CFS and CIM. The negotiations were not as tough as I thought they would be. At first she wanted 3000 but pretty soon she accepted my counter offer and to my surprise even agreed to CIM right away.

So we went to my hotel and all in all it was a good session. It was certainly not a GFE but this gorgeous 23 yo little spinner with a stunning rock hard body (no kids) and a smile to die for was willing and friendly and did everything we agreed upon. Her BJ skills were only slightly above average but she went on for about 15-20 minutes or so, so that was nice. She responded very well to DATY and CFS was great in a tight, wet and completely bald pussy. She produced some fake moans and orgasms I think but that didn't really bother me.
I could have shot my load easily within a few minutes already but I managed to postpone it for quite some time until I couldn't hold it anymore. I pulled back, ripped the condom off and exploded in her mouth.

A few days later we had a second session that was equally satisfying and in time I hope this girl will open up a little bit more and give me a GFE. Sometimes WeChat really pays of.

Yep. We chat works too. If you are a nice guy and treat the girl like a woman and not a pleasure object. You will have a great time. Don't rush to the end game. Today I was having lunch at my favourite place "Indulge on sukhumvit " it at the bottom of sukhumvit suites. They have this waft of fresh aircon air blowing on the street that is very inviting. They have buy 1 get 1 free on beer for lunch so I though I might as well indulge as they say.

Ordered a super yummy spicy Thai soup and a few beers.

I had the we chat fired up and before I could blink I had about 3 girls sending me a greeting. I spotted 1 fitness trainer / kick boxing instructor type chick. Super hot.

Her pics were all full of gym workout poses and she had an amazing booty. Not an ounce of fat. I was worried if she may not be a 100 percent woman. I was flirting with her. And she finally agreed to join me at indulge for a few beers.

I asked her if she wouldike to do a few stretches in my room and her price was 1500 for 90 minutes.

Agreed.

Back in the room. I always have some chocolates and ladies perfume in my room. It has worked wonders. I gave her the perfume and she was all over me.

She never expected this. She straight away asked me. Shower alone or together. I agreed for the latter. In the shower. And what ensued after that was sheer heaven.

Sloppy blow job. A super wet and juicy pussy. Ooh. We did it like rabbits. She was super flexible and at one time I had her one leg wrapped around me while the other around me neck. Ooh my god.

Have a look at the pic to see for your self what a hot chick she was.

Ooh am I lucky or what.

Enjoy guys.

G.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2054738]Yes apparently it works. Sometimes. He has been chatting with (in his own words) loads of 7's and 8's but when he got there no one bothered to reply to him anymore except for this 1 girl. And I thought WeChat was time consuming, LOL.
But I agree with you Bkkdog that it's a good example of how things can go if you are smart and a gentlemen and that every once in a while you can hit the jackpot with these dating sites and chat apps.

Recently I stumbled upon a girl on WeChat who looked too good to be true for P4 P but didn't seem to be a 'good' girl either. She was drop dead gorgeous, a solid 9, and on the one hand her profile and pictures looked quite decent and conservative but on the other hand 'inviting'. So I sent her a greeting and she replied within 10 minutes or so. She said she was working in a massage parlor on Sukhumvit and invited me to come over. I thought 'yeah right' and asked her if she could send me some pictures that proofed she was really working there (none of the pics on her profile showed her as a massage girl) and she promptly did. I asked her a few other questions to make sure she was real and made her promise that she would give me the massage and no one else.
I was still not 100% convinced but went to her parlor anyway and to my astonishment she was really there. A solid 9 who could easily make a fortune in a top agogo was working in a small massage parlor with a couple of fat old 5's and 6's as colleagues.

In the massage booth there was a note on the door that said 'no prostitution' and the first half of the session gave me the impression this was indeed a 'massage only' shop. But in the second half, when I had turned on my back and was chatting her up a little bit, it soon turned out that 'a happy end' was possible. And eventually she admitted she was a 'bad' girl who went with customers to their hotel sometimes if she liked them. Now it was getting interesting and after some negotiation we agreed on 500 Baht 'barfine' for the parlor plus 2000 Baht for her for BBBJ, CFS and CIM. The negotiations were not as tough as I thought they would be. At first she wanted 3000 but pretty soon she accepted my counter offer and to my surprise even agreed to CIM right away.

So we went to my hotel and all in all it was a good session. It was certainly not a GFE but this gorgeous 23 yo little spinner with a stunning rock hard body (no kids) and a smile to die for was willing and friendly and did everything we agreed upon. Her BJ skills were only slightly above average but she went on for about 15-20 minutes or so, so that was nice. She responded very well to DATY and CFS was great in a tight, wet and completely bald pussy. She produced some fake moans and orgasms I think but that didn't really bother me.
I could have shot my load easily within a few minutes already but I managed to postpone it for quite some time until I couldn't hold it anymore. I pulled back, ripped the condom off and exploded in her mouth.

A few days later we had a second session that was equally satisfying and in time I hope this girl will open up a little bit more and give me a GFE. Sometimes WeChat really pays of.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gunners1;2054758]Yep. We chat works too. If you are a nice guy and treat the girl like a woman and not a pleasure object. You will have a great time. Don't rush to the end game. Today I was having lunch at my favourite place "Indulge on sukhumvit " it at the bottom of sukhumvit suites. They have this waft of fresh aircon air blowing on the street that is very inviting. They have buy 1 get 1 free on beer for lunch so I though I might as well indulge as they say.

Ordered a super yummy spicy Thai soup and a few beers.

I had the we chat fired up and before I could blink I had about 3 girls sending me a greeting. I spotted 1 fitness trainer / kick boxing instructor type chick. Super hot.

Her pics were all full of gym workout poses and she had an amazing booty. Not an ounce of fat. I was worried if she may not be a 100 percent woman. I was flirting with her. And she finally agreed to join me at indulge for a few beers.

I asked her if she wouldike to do a few stretches in my room and her price was 1500 for 90 minutes.

Agreed.

Back in the room. I always have some chocolates and ladies perfume in my room. It has worked wonders. I gave her the perfume and she was all over me.

She never expected this. She straight away asked me. Shower alone or together. I agreed for the latter. In the shower. And what ensued after that was sheer heaven.

Sloppy blow job. A super wet and juicy pussy. Ooh. We did it like rabbits. She was super flexible and at one time I had her one leg wrapped around me while the other around me neck. Ooh my god.

Have a look at the pic to see for your self what a hot chick she was.

Ooh am I lucky or what.

Enjoy guys.

G.[/QUOTE]Shame on you. Those dam chat apps and internet thingamabobbers, smart gadgets. They are just a waste of time LOL.

Now these are the stories I love. Great job you lucky bastard.

First post in this forum.

Will be coming down to Bangkok for 2 days around September end, mostly over the massage parlours and my main motive is hit the independent escort scene this time.

Could any of you guys suggest escorts with unlimited shots.

And, how legit is bangkokgoldenescorts?

I am weary of go go bars. I do not like massage parlors.

I want to meet intimately with normal girls aged 18-21, in Bangkok.

Are there such a site where we can select non (or semi) professional girls, such as students?

How local rich men meet those young beauties?

I often saw local aged men are having dinner and breakfast with super pretty ones. I even witnessed a man was giving some thousand bahts to the girl?

Work up around 11:00 AM. I was saying SO Sofitel Water Club Lounge Suite, which was pretty fancy and I wanted to enjoy the hotel's amenities. So headed out to the 10th floor pool and had some cocktails and lunch while I enjoyed swimming in the pool inbetween.

In the afternoon, I was ready for action, so I decided to check out the famous massage parlors of Bangkok. Hopped on a cab, and headed to Snow White. There was a huge traffic jam, so it took quite a while to get there, and I just got off around Sukhumvit and Soi 24th. The whole area between Soi 24-26 was filled with various massage parlors, with girls hanging out at the front trying to lure customers in. I've went to Snow White, but didn't see any girl to my fancy, and none of the girls did anal. I was rather determined to get the backdoor service, so I've looked around the area.

There were some Japanese massage place in Soi 25 with incredibly hot girls in 8's and may be 9's, but I had to turn away because none of them did it in the ass. Also B & B Massage had girls lined up, which almost all of them are Agogo-class, wearing sexy uniform, in their early 20's, and hot as well. But none of them did anal. Yes I am regretting it big time now. There were other parlors that had 1-2 girls who did anal, but they were older and 6 or below. No way!

Inquiring all the massage parlors near by, I eventually made my way back to Soi 24, in to a small side alley cul-de-sac where a mamasan suggested checking out Mango Massage. The girls were wearing airline attendant uniform at Mango massage, and was pretty decent looking (6-8's). About 10 girls lined up, and when I asked for anal, all but one of them were up for it! The line up wasn't as good as some of the hotter ones I've seen around there, but I did find one that looked to be mid-late 20's and 8 in the look. The rate for 1 hour nuru massage was 1,500 THB plus 500 THB for anal! Holy cow! Went upstairs into the room where the girl and I undressed. I noticed that her be-cup was pushed up, her tits were sagging, and her skin was much darker below neck (makeup made it look better). Downgraded from 8 to 7. Anyways, she showered me in a bathrub and asked me to lie down on a bed. I was expecting an air mattress, but it was a small bed with thin mattress. She said the place did not have enough space for air mattress, and working to build bigger rooms. She promised me the bedsheets and the mattress is newly washed. So I lied down and she applied nuru gels by hand (what? And began to slide on me. Since she didn't have a big boob, it wasn't as effective, but I wasn't about to complain. I did get a nice BBBJ from her, and she wrapped me up, and mounted me CG. After fucking her for a while, I asked for anal, and she turned over for K9. She didn't have to lube up, but I fit into her nice and snugly and began pumping away. She covered her pussy with her hands so I can't do A-to-V, but I did enjoy her nice squeeze. After a while I switched to mish, lifted her legs above my shoulder and kept fucking her ass until I came. She washed me up and I left.

It was around 6:00 PM and I was getting hungry. Since that area had alot of Japanese restaurants, I've decided to try one. Went to Ichiban and had a nice ramen. Nothing to write home about, but they did have genuine Japanese chef. Around 7:00 PM it's a bit early for Agogo, so I decided to get a legit foot massage. Had a relaxing 1 HR foot massage for 300 THB (I love cheap massages!) and decided to head to Soi Cowboy for Agogo bars.

Around 9 ish the place was already bustling with large crowd. Went into Baccara but the place was packed so tight! I suck at gaming the bar already, and I didn't think I would do well with so many competitions, so I headed out to check out other bars. I went through just about every Agogo bars in Soi Cowboy and Crazy House. In general, I found the girls about the same as Pattaya Agogo bars. Some Agogos had young girls in 7-8's, some had much older and uglier ones. I popped my head in for a quick few seconds, and if I liked the general look of the girls, I stayed and bought few drinks, or walked out if I didn't find girls attractive. At Suzy Wong, I didn't find any girls in particular, but the mamasan was very friendly with me and asked me to stay for the show. So I stayed there to watch girls body painting, pulling strings with needles out of their pussy and popping balloons, and etc. Somewhat entertaining. But the girls were still not attractive.

None of the bar seemed to have girls who would do anal, much less MFM. So I just gave up on the idea and looked for a nice LT girl to spend my last night at Thailand. The names of the bars are a bit foggy, but I did found a girl named Ice at Cowboy 2. She was about 8. 5 in looks, great smile, nice hair, slim figures and etc. I picked her out and bought her and her friend a few LDs. After about 30 minutes into it, I find out that she only does ST. So I asked to bar fine her and she says BF is 3000 THB and she charges 8000 THB for ST, making total damage 11000 THB. WHAATT? Perplexed, I left the area and look for girls in other places. All other places had girls charge 3000 THB for BF (1500 for ugly ones), and none of them did LT, but ST for similar rate. Was I getting ripped off or did the price go up drastically?

Finally I went to this Agogo, which I cannot recall the name. The place was pretty dead with a few customers and 3-4 girls dancing. I was about to head out, but then I caught the look of this really hot girl in the middle of dance floor. She looked very hot and kept giving me this smile and wink I've mentioned in my previous post. Her winks were deadly and I was compelled to sit down. I sat down sipping my beer and enjoying her dance. The smile and vibe she's sending me was incredible and I soon had her come over. We seem to hit off very well and spent next hour buying her LD, rubbing her, she kissing me and giving me lap dances and grinds. After we got hot and heavy, I asked to bar fine her. I don't care if it's ST or cost me 11000 THB. But she said she doesn't do ST or LT!! WHAAAT? I practically begged her but stopped right before I lost my dignity. I've been had.

I thought about going back to massage parlors where delivery was assured, but it was around 12:00, so they would have all but closed. Left with no recourse, I headed to Nana Plaza. Looked around the place, but didn't find any girls to my fancy, so I headed up to Straps. Until then, I didn't read Bkkdog's post, so I did suspect some of them were post-ops, but I had NO IDEA they were ALL post-ops!! Damn you Bkkdog! ;(Anyways found two pretty hot girls (one 8 and one 9) that I was able to BF ST for total of 9000 THB. Up the ST motel and this time I brought my own condoms! So I took turns to have both girls give me CBJ, and fucked one while the other sucked my nipple or I sucked theirs and fingered them. After coming in one of them, I resigned to my room. Rather disappointed but I did end it with MFF with two hot girls.. Until I checked ISG and Bkkdog's post!!!

So that concludes my not-so-grand trip to Bangkok and Thailand. If I ever get a chance to come again next time, I would skip Agogos. It's hella expensive, you still have to play the game, and can get scammed into buying LDs for nothing. I would stick with massage parlors, escort agencies, and perhaps smooci.

Thermae is a good option at midnight and it's right beside the Sofitel. No lady drinks and definitely no ladyboys INSIDE the bar. Yes, guys say not to bother if you're not Japanese or Korean but by midnight girls let their guards down especially if they've struck out for the night so far, which apply to many. 2500 per hour plus 1 drink for yourself.

[QUOTE=Marzil;2054989]Will be coming down to Bangkok for 2 days around September end, mostly over the massage parlours and my main motive is hit the independent escort scene this time.

Could any of you guys suggest escorts with unlimited shots.[/QUOTE]This can (should) be discussed (negotiated) up front with any provider you choose. Be frank and tell them what you are looking for. The price might depend on the extended activities. If your 4th shot in two hours involves fierce face fucking or anal until you cum they might not be game. If it is a HJ (received or self-inflicted LOL) it should not be a big deal.

SL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2055165]Thermae is a good option at midnight and it's right beside the Sofitel. No lady drinks and definitely no ladyboys INSIDE the bar. Yes, guys say not to bother if you're not Japanese or Korean but by midnight girls let their guards down especially if they've struck out for the night so far, which apply to many. 2500 per hour plus 1 drink for yourself.[/QUOTE]I keep seem to receive crucial information ONE step too late LOL.

[QUOTE=Mander;2055302]I keep seem to receive crucial information ONE step too late LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mander;2055155]
None of the bar seemed to have girls who would do anal, much less MFM. So I just gave up on the idea and looked for a nice LT girl to spend my last night at Thailand. The names of the bars are a bit foggy, but I did found a girl named Ice at Cowboy 2. She was about 8. 5 in looks, great smile, nice hair, slim figures and etc. I picked her out and bought her and her friend a few LDs. After about 30 minutes into it, I find out that she only does ST. So I asked to bar fine her and she says BF is 3000 THB and she charges 8000 THB for ST, making total damage 11000 THB. WHAATT? Perplexed, I left the area and look for girls in other places. All other places had girls charge 3000 THB for BF (1500 for ugly ones), and none of them did LT, but ST for similar rate. Was I getting ripped off or did the price go up drastically?

Finally I went to this Agogo, which I cannot recall the name. The place was pretty dead with a few customers and 3-4 girls dancing. I was about to head out, but then I caught the look of this really hot girl in the middle of dance floor. She looked very hot and kept giving me this smile and wink I've mentioned in my previous post. Her winks were deadly and I was compelled to sit down. I sat down sipping my beer and enjoying her dance. The smile and vibe she's sending me was incredible and I soon had her come over. We seem to hit off very well and spent next hour buying her LD, rubbing her, she kissing me and giving me lap dances and grinds. After we got hot and heavy, I asked to bar fine her. I don't care if it's ST or cost me 11000 THB. But she said she doesn't do ST or LT!! WHAAAT? I practically begged her but stopped right before I lost my dignity. I've been had. [/QUOTE]Yes indeed it seems you receive crucial information one step too late LOL. It looks like you have run into the famous 'coyotes'. These creatures are to be avoided like the plague. Coyotes are agency girls that are hired by the agogos to entertain the customers and seperate them from their money as quickly as possible (even more than 'normal' bar girls). Usually you can easily identify them by the clothes they are wearing: sexy but much less revealing than the clothes of the 'normal' girls. And they will never (or hardly ever) go nude.

Furthermore, as you have found out the hard way already, they will often quote you ridiculous prices for a BF or they cannot be barfined at all. The latter act like hostesses rather than bar girls.

As far as I know the only agogos in Soi Cowboy WITHOUT coyotes are Crazy House, Baccara, Shark and Suzie Wong. In Nana Plaza they seem to be less plural.

Guys,

I am planning a mongering trip to Bangkok can you please suggest a girl friendly hotel & which bars & places to visit to hook up with hot girls & what would be the rates for them.

[QUOTE=Mander;2055302]I keep seem to receive crucial information ONE step too late LOL.[/QUOTE]You were given some good advice by people with loads of experience in Pattaya and Bangkok. You instead chose to stick with some preconceived notions of how things [I]might be[/I]. Better to deal with the [I]are[/I].

Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than [I]the hottest possible[/I] woman and [I]the hottest possible[/I] sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process. Chasing smoke can do that.

A once in a lifetime experience only happens (wait for it, wait for it) once in a lifetime. Setting out each night with this as your goal is putting your odds of success at about 20,000 to 1. Don't chase the Unicorn. Hunt the baggable game in the woods you are in, and wait for the Unicorn to cross your path.

SL.

Having seen many video clips of Thanyia street, the place for japanese, it seems to me that this looks like 100% japanese, you even never see a caucasian guy passing by in these videos! On some forum I evenr ead that a european guy was roughly rejected from here. However there are so many sexy looking girls sitting outside in the street. Also practically no report on this area on this forum. Can some members tell us about the chance -or no!) of being " accepted" on Tanyia street and eventually taking a girl back when one is caucasian?

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2055564]Having seen many video clips of Thanyia street, the place for japanese, it seems to me that this looks like 100% japanese, you even never see a caucasian guy passing by in these videos! On some forum I evenr ead that a european guy was roughly rejected from here. However there are so many sexy looking girls sitting outside in the street. Also practically no report on this area on this forum. Can some members tell us about the chance -or no!) of being " accepted" on Tanyia street and eventually taking a girl back when one is caucasian?[/QUOTE]Only in your dreams champ. Its a Japanese thing, they just don't like westerners or indeed any other nationality grazing on the same patch. I've been in the odd club in Shinjuku but only in the company of a well connected local and even he would have been unable to get me past the front door in most places.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2055520]You were given some good advice by people with loads of experience in Pattaya and Bangkok. You instead chose to stick with some preconceived notions of how things [I]might be[/I]. Better to deal with the [I]are[/I].

Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than [I]the hottest possible[/I] woman and [I]the hottest possible[/I] sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process. Chasing smoke can do that.

A once in a lifetime experience only happens (wait for it, wait for it) once in a lifetime. Setting out each night with this as your goal is putting your odds of success at about 20,000 to 1. Don't chase the Unicorn. Hunt the baggable game in the woods you are in, and wait for the Unicorn to cross your path.

SL.[/QUOTE]BEST ADVICE EVER! I am wondering if just this post should make it to the ROD based in its sheer practicality and wisdom.

[QUOTE=DannyBoy20;2055501]Guys,

I am planning a mongering trip to Bangkok can you please suggest a girl friendly hotel & which bars & places to visit to hook up with hot girls & what would be the rates for them.[/QUOTE]Is this a serious question or a clever joke? Hard to tell.

Maybe read a report first.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2055564]Having seen many video clips of Thanyia street, the place for japanese, it seems to me that this looks like 100% japanese, you even never see a caucasian guy passing by in these videos! On some forum I evenr ead that a european guy was roughly rejected from here. However there are so many sexy looking girls sitting outside in the street. Also practically no report on this area on this forum. Can some members tell us about the chance -or no!) of being " accepted" on Tanyia street and eventually taking a girl back when one is caucasian?[/QUOTE]If you can pass the 333 test be sure to let the girls know and you might get acccepted 1 in 100 times.

My understanding for Thaniya Road is that even rich Koreans and Chinese can't get in.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2055520]...Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than [I]the hottest possible[/I] woman and [I]the hottest possible[/I] sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process...[/QUOTE]I am not sure how one can identify in advance who will give them the "hottest experience", but I have never been able to do it, and I was humbled by the experience.

However, there is plenty of eye candy everywhere, every night. I am very much into eye candy and I have never been let down. I manage to find one practically every night I venture out. Pattaya and Bangkok are the land of plenty, eye candy everywhere.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2055579]...Its a Japanese thing, they just don't like westerners or indeed any other nationality grazing on the same patch. I've been in the odd club in Shinjuku but only in the company of a well connected local and even he would have been unable to get me past the front door in most places.[/QUOTE]Japanese thing? How about calling it for what it is, Japanese racism, pure and simple.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;2054758]Yep. We chat works too. If you are a nice guy and treat the girl like a woman and not a pleasure object. You will have a great time. Don't rush to the end game. Today I was having lunch at my favourite place "Indulge on sukhumvit " it at the bottom of sukhumvit suites. They have this waft of fresh aircon air blowing on the street that is very inviting. They have buy 1 get 1 free on beer for lunch so I though I might as well indulge as they say.

Ordered a super yummy spicy Thai soup and a few beers.

I had the we chat fired up and before I could blink I had about 3 girls sending me a greeting. I spotted 1 fitness trainer / kick boxing instructor type chick. Super hot.

Her pics were all full of gym workout poses and she had an amazing booty. Not an ounce of fat. I was worried if she may not be a 100 percent woman. I was flirting with her. And she finally agreed to join me at indulge for a few beers.

I asked her if she wouldike to do a few stretches in my room and her price was 1500 for 90 minutes.

Agreed.

Back in the room. I always have some chocolates and ladies perfume in my room. It has worked wonders. I gave her the perfume and she was all over me.

She never expected this. She straight away asked me. Shower alone or together. I agreed for the latter. In the shower. And what ensued after that was sheer heaven.

Sloppy blow job. A super wet and juicy pussy. Ooh. We did it like rabbits. She was super flexible and at one time I had her one leg wrapped around me while the other around me neck. Ooh my god.

Have a look at the pic to see for your self what a hot chick she was.

Ooh am I lucky or what.

Enjoy guys.

G.[/QUOTE]I am glad you tried her out and had a good time. I have been in contact with her on Wechat for a while now, but have never had the opportunity to hook up with her. She is into fitness and is always working out. She has a gorgeous trim body. Now I really have to try. She recently changed her photos on wechat, by the way.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2049722]I know a 50 year old Thai girl runs a ladies beauty parlour doesn't speak English much and has two kids, one aged 19. Wants to meet an old Farang to look after her long term romance. Good friend of my GF.

Probably not what you had in mind. LOL. You might be more interested in her daughter Lol[/QUOTE]Syzygies:

PM me the name and location of the daughter if you think she's my type. I'll be there on July 10.

Since Climax club closed, where have the freelancers moved to?

[QUOTE=ArifBD;2051429]Saw this interesting Advert in CL with a title "Costume" with some nice pics. Girl was my type, petite with reasonable assets so I decided to give it a shot. I used CL in other countries but never in Thailand, and as usual I was a bit skeptic about bait and switch etc. Typical CL frauds. To my surprise, the girl did not as for room number, full name etc. And asked me to pick her from the lobby. This is always a good sign. And it was, she was the same girl as in photo and I was happy to lead her to my room.

Once in room. She did not ask for money. She never mentioned money until I brought it up after the first session.

We started with a good shower, she washed me thoroughly and insisted we both brush out teeth. Then she started with BBBJ and she is good. After a while we go to the bed, missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggy. And 10 minutes later johnny explodes!! We clean up and she starts giving a very nice massage. Her massage was actually very very good, a rare combination, because the ones who advert Sex are generally mediocre or poor in massage skill. About an hour into the massage she starts blowing again. 2nd session was about 25 minutes, multiple position, equally enjoyable. This girl enjoys what she does, very enthusiastic and eager to please.

Took a few pics of her, but she asked me not to put them online. I can share on PM. Attached pic is the only one she said I cud publish.

Looks: 7/10.

Body: 8/10 (Silicon).

Attitude: 8/10.

English: 6/10.

Damage: 3 k for 2 hours, 2 pops + massage.

WIR: Definitely.[/QUOTE]Please PM me with contact info.

Hi Guys,

Long time no post! .

I've been around and I guess I've been around for so long I forgot how the search works on this site.

Ya I know I know, but what can I say?

Quick question: I see that Hooter's moved into Soi 4 at Nana Plaza. I'm just curious if the girls can be bar-fined in the normal, old fashioned way? What is the deal there?

Thanks in advance!

Poster.

[QUOTE=PosterLion;2055809]Hi Guys,

Long time no post! .

I've been around and I guess I've been around for so long I forgot how the search works on this site.

Ya I know I know, but what can I say?

Quick question: I see that Hooter's moved into Soi 4 at Nana Plaza. I'm just curious if the girls can be bar-fined in the normal, old fashioned way? What is the deal there?

Thanks in advance!

Poster.[/QUOTE]No, they are not allowed to see customers as a condition of employment.

[QUOTE=PosterLion;2055809]
Quick question: I see that Hooter's moved into Soi 4 at Nana Plaza. I'm just curious if the girls can be bar-fined in the normal, old fashioned way? What is the deal there?
[/QUOTE]Those girls cannot be bar fined. They are not on the market and not easy to pick up.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2055610]Is this a serious question or a clever joke? Hard to tell.

Maybe read a report first.[/QUOTE]You will conclude it is a a serious question, if you browse through the (very brief) posting history of the BM.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2055797]Since Climax club closed, where have the freelancers moved to?[/QUOTE]Maybe read RTFF and you will see. I posted the answer to that 2 weeks ago.

[QUOTE=PosterLion;2055809]Hi Guys,

Long time no post! .

I've been around and I guess I've been around for so long I forgot how the search works on this site.

Ya I know I know, but what can I say?

Quick question: I see that Hooter's moved into Soi 4 at Nana Plaza. I'm just curious if the girls can be bar-fined in the normal, old fashioned way? What is the deal there?

Thanks in advance!

Poster.[/QUOTE]I have recently tried this without any success. It was about closing time, I asked the girl serving me if she was available to take. She refused saying she was working there as employee and needed to sleep after closing.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2055520]You were given some good advice by people with loads of experience in Pattaya and Bangkok. You instead chose to stick with some preconceived notions of how things [I]might be[/I]. Better to deal with the [I]are[/I].

Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than [I]the hottest possible[/I] woman and [I]the hottest possible[/I] sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process. Chasing smoke can do that.

A once in a lifetime experience only happens (wait for it, wait for it) once in a lifetime. Setting out each night with this as your goal is putting your odds of success at about 20,000 to 1. Don't chase the Unicorn. Hunt the baggable game in the woods you are in, and wait for the Unicorn to cross your path.

SL.[/QUOTE]What you said speaks have alot of wisdom. I did have unreasonably high expectations and misconceptions, which could only learned by hitting the ground. In my part, I did my best to seek and heed the good advices when I got them. But after crossing over 14,000 miles, it's hard to give up on young hot ones and go for older uglier ones.

In any case, I appreciate many words advices, especially Bkkdog, Sunlover2, and Uncle Volodya. I will post my closing thoughts in hopes of helping someone like me.

So now I'm back home somewhat recovered from jetlag. I'd like to wrap up my experiences in Bangkok & Thailand in my perspective. YMMV.

I cannot say I had a great time or disappointed. It was a mixed bag: one night I had my first MFFFM and did not fail to find anal sex services in massage parlors. Other nights I wasted time & money on flaky girls, coyotes, and post-ops.

What worked:

- Meeting up with a fellow ISGer made the best experience! It's nice to have buddies who can give advice on the spot, take you to the right places, and share the fun. I think going to agogo bars alone made me emit creepy vibes.

- Bangkok massage parlors were awesome! Some of them had great line ups and some had hardcore services on menu. I'd spend more time there if I were to go again.

- Escort agencies: I had the hottest girl from mythaitourguide. Paid $100 for VIP access, then applied that toward first appointment for total 7000 THB well-spent.

What didn't work:

- Agogo bars: Unless you enjoy bar scenes and just want to flirt and may be something will happen, I have decided Agogo bar is not what you want if you are short on time and want to pickup a girl in 30 minutes. After gaming the girl, buying LDS for the girl, mamasan, and staff, you still have to take your chance with flaky girls, girls who don't do sex, and expensive coyote girls. I thought coyote girls had separate bars, but they are mixed in Bangkok.

- Thai Friendly / Badoo: The girls are too flaky and often don't respond for days. I had 4-5 girls lined up who didn't respond at all when I got there. May be if you are a young farang with blue eyes and golden hairs girls would flock to you, but unfortunately, I'm a middle-aged shy (East) Asian American.

- Hardcore services: Many agogo bar girls and mamasans gave me a shocked look when I asked if there are any girls who does anal, even at (later learned) post-ops bars. I was hoping for anal or MFM, but I had much better success at older girls from massage parlors.

- I stayed at SO Sofitel because it was unlimited guest policy, great amenities, and huge circular bathtub. I'd rather stay at cheaper hotel closer to Suhkumvit and save money for fun. In-room jaccuzi and big tubs are not worth it because you rarely get to use it.

If I get a chance to visit LOS again:

- I'd try FL scene. I was under the impression they are dirty and dangerous, but apparently you can find some good gems to make it worthwhile.

- If I want MFM, there were some escort agencies that provided it. The cost was pretty high. I think around 25,000 THB for girl and man / LB, but it's a sure thing and much better ROI.

- I'd give smocci a try.

Critical Lessons:

- Straps are post-ops only bar!

- Most girls would want to do ST, and not LT.

- Agogo bar's primary object is to sell you drinks, not sex.

Thanks all for your advices and audiences!

[QUOTE=Mander;2055927]So now I'm back home somewhat recovered from jetlag. I'd like to wrap up my experiences in Bangkok & Thailand in my perspective.[/QUOTE]Great summation Mander.

My only comment would be that when it comes to setting up girls from dating sites, 4-5 is not nearly enough. Now you understand the flakiness you'll realise that for 3-4 day trip you probably want 30 girls (and then you'll probably only meet 5).

Thanks for all your reviews, Mander. I appreciate that you were willing to spend and were not a Cheap Charlie. If you return, hopefuly you'll have more than 4-5 days for Pattaya and Bangkok. To really enjoy Thailand I'd recommend guys to come 2 weeks going to BKK first, then down to Pattaya, and returning to BKK if / when they decide BKK worked better for them than Pattaya. Sadly I have to be honest and say that someone looking for kinks may want to try another country rather than Thailand, especially if you are not seeking experienced providers.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2055520]You were given some good advice by people with loads of experience in Pattaya and Bangkok. You instead chose to stick with some preconceived notions of how things [I]might be[/I]. Better to deal with the [I]are[/I].

Punters who express an unwillingness to settle for anything less than [I]the hottest possible[/I] woman and [I]the hottest possible[/I] sexual experience seem to be the ones who end up the most frustrated at the end of the process. Chasing smoke can do that.

A once in a lifetime experience only happens (wait for it, wait for it) once in a lifetime. Setting out each night with this as your goal is putting your odds of success at about 20,000 to 1. Don't chase the Unicorn. Hunt the baggable game in the woods you are in, and wait for the Unicorn to cross your path.

SL.[/QUOTE]This is sage advice as I have been to Thailand about 30 times over 25 + years. Generally, my best experiences have either occurred unexpectedly or by having a good attitude and my worst experiences have come when I have either had too much to drink or by having a poor attitude. The worst punters I have seen are the types who feel very entitled and seem to think that they should get the hottest ladies who act like porn stars simply because they have a few thousand bhat to throw at a girl. Thailand can be whatever you want it to be but you need to learn about the culture, travel around, make lots of friends, etc. And if you can learn some of the language, that will pay off very handsomely. I go the my Land of Milk and Honey about three times a year and I know 5 - 10 ladies at any given time I can date, most are in their late 20's or early to mid 30's. I don't bother with bar girls and occasionally hit a massage parlor when the mood strikes me. Some nights in Thailand I just have a nice meal, a few drinks and get a good night sleep. Other nights I'll have a party in my hotel room until 3:00 am With a couple of hotties. Thailand is the greatest country on earth for pootang and having fun.

And I remember Sun Lover from that other, now defunct, website.

[QUOTE=Deer1234;2055097]
I often saw local aged men are having dinner and breakfast with super pretty ones. I even witnessed a man was giving some thousand bahts to the girl?[/QUOTE]Welcome to Thailand.

If you are a handsome man your can win them all (check your wallet first).

I visited the freelancer bar Thermae (Sukhumvit) at midnite on a weekday. It was just to investigate as I was a bit tired. It's the first time I have checked out this place so it was kind of exiting. As I entered I had a softdrink for 60 (baht. Lots of girls, maybe 75, fewer (presumably) punters, maybe 35. They don't interact much though. Are they all "shy"? Only about ten of the girls may be called pretty.

I went around and chatted up four of the best looking ones. Left side: first said 2 hours 2500, second said 1 hour 3000. Right side: third said 1+half hour 2500. Fourth ignored me. So 3 out of 4 nice ones wanted to go, that's pretty good. But high prices indeed. About the last one (probably Asian only), she differed from the others by not returning my look and smile, so the turn-down was no surprise. Still, I just wanted to try it for the interest. (One punter standing nearby loooked a bit surprised on this, I don't know if he thought I was silly or brave, LOL.)

I might return on another night. I wonder: are the prices negotiable? At what time is this best done?

First time I visited this club on soi 11. No CC midweek. 160 baht for a drink. A good place really, half / half men / women. Some of the women, maybe a quarter, seemed easily approachable or approached themselves. What do a good looking lady ask for here? St / LT. Are other clubs better for this? Yes, I know I should have investigated this myself, but I wasn't really up to it this night. And it takes some time before one can bring it up I guess.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2056179]I wonder: are the prices negotiable? At what time is this best done?[/QUOTE]Standard pricing is 2500 per hour so if you have hot girls going with you longer that is pretty good. Price is comparable to an oily. You can likely negotiate time easier than money. For some Thermae girls if they like you they will hang out with you by going to eat, clubbing, etc. well after your session and into the next day until they have to wake up for their day job.

[QUOTE=John Traveller;2056180]First time I visited this club on soi 11. No CC midweek. 160 baht for a drink. A good place really, half / half men / women. Some of the women, maybe a quarter, seemed easily approachable or approached themselves. What do a good looking lady ask for here? St / LT. Are other clubs better for this? Yes, I know I should have investigated this myself, but I wasn't really up to it this night. And it takes some time before one can bring it up I guess.[/QUOTE]




[QUOTE=John Traveller;2056179]I visited the freelancer bar Thermae (Sukhumvit) at midnite on a weekday. It was just to investigate as I was a bit tired. It's the first time I have checked out this place so it was kind of exiting. As I entered I had a softdrink for 60 (baht. Lots of girls, maybe 75, fewer (presumably) punters, maybe 35. They don't interact much though. Are they all "shy"? Only about ten of the girls may be called pretty.

I went around and chatted up four of the best looking ones. Left side: first said 2 hours 2500, second said 1 hour 3000. Right side: third said 1+half hour 2500. Fourth ignored me. So 3 out of 4 nice ones wanted to go, that's pretty good. But high prices indeed. About the last one (probably Asian only), she differed from the others by not returning my look and smile, so the turn-down was no surprise. Still, I just wanted to try it for the interest. (One punter standing nearby loooked a bit surprised on this, I don't know if he thought I was silly or brave, LOL.)
I might return on another night. I wonder: are the prices negotiable? At what time is this best done?[/QUOTE]

These two places are way out of your league. If 2,500 is too much for you then you better head over to the beer garden on Soi 7 or do an oily for 1 hour such as Snow White or Tulip. They I think come in at 1,900 all inclusive for 1 hour. Some decent looking freelancers will take 2,000 but anything lower will be sacrificing on looks in my opinion. Soms heaven BJ bar wil also do a 1,700 Baht session and there are a few lookers there. Maybe Pattaya is more to your budget.

The levels freelancers will ask you from 4-6K at least and 2,500 will be the bottom price at Thermae. Honestly, guys like you are why the Thermae girls are not happy about White western men. That's why they sometimes are rude and look the other way. Happy mongering Charlie.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2056241]The levels freelancers will ask you from 4-6K at least and 2,500 will be the bottom price at Thermae. Honestly, guys like you are why the Thermae girls are not happy about White western men. That's why they sometimes are rude and look the other way. Happy mongering Charlie.[/QUOTE]

No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.

Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.

Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2056264]No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.

Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.

Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.[/QUOTE]I bed differ for the following reason. The op is wanting to enter a high end place like Levels for example but his budget it no where near what it needs to be. There is no point comparing prices today to 5-10 years ago. You will just become frustrated with inflation.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2056284]. . . <SNIP>
There is no point comparing prices today to 5-10 years ago. You will just become frustrated with inflation.[/QUOTE]Wholeheartedly agree.

In a free market, any girl can ask whatever she wants, and if someone pays her price then that's the end of it.

If a guy refuses to pay a high price on principle, then he is the one who misses out. She will wait until a buyer comes along.

There is no way this process will change unless nobody pays her price, and then the market will force her to change. Disgruntled punters wishing for 2005 prices in 2017 just have to accept that women are now feeling more empowered to follow the market.

Thanks for the info. At the moment I just want an overview over the freelancer market (for example Thermae and clubs like Levels). And it's important for me to check that the prices I have been quoted on the ground are the regular going prices. I don't necessarily have a strict budget, so it's not the case that I'm not willing to pay high prices if that suits me.

I am already experienced in the massage parlour options, so yes, I know the prices there. I'm not experienced in the freelancer options in Bkk, so I'm getting an overview now.

As for Levels, I didn't find most of the girls there that hot anyway (As I noted above, I could be willing to splash out a large amount for a really hot one). But of course the opinions will vary a lot regarding this.

I will investigate further by reading more on the forum as well as doing my own research for details on options, places and times.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2056264]No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.

Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.

Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. 2500 is too damn much for a pre-agreed promise to pay for short time. I am doing my part in fighting this ridiculous inflation these days and not taking any girls to my hotel who won't agree to accept 2000 for ST (which I think is still too high, but fair). Seems absurd since I normally spend 6000 baht or more on drinks during the night, but it's the principle of it. I have to admit that I normally do give the girl more than 2000 if she is good to me, but I don't like to be forced into 2500 for every shag.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2056180]First time I visited this club on soi 11. No CC midweek. 160 baht for a drink. A good place really, half / half men / women. Some of the women, maybe a quarter, seemed easily approachable or approached themselves. What do a good looking lady ask for here? St / LT. Are other clubs better for this? Yes, I know I should have investigated this myself, but I wasn't really up to it this night. And it takes some time before one can bring it up I guess.[/QUOTE]Levels is a good pick up spot. Girls will want 3-4 K ST and up to 6 K LT. YMMV and you may be quoted more or able to negotiate less. Much cheaper than Mixxx or Spasso.

Pricey, but most are nice middle class girls and only do one customer per night. Also some semi pros too.

Maybe a little on the old side here. Late 20's to early 30's. Not a lot of early 20's girls. Not always easy to find a girl that is hot enough to justify the price (as one of the posters pointed out).

Go to Oskar for a drink beforehand. Many of the girls go there and then hit mix.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2055848]No, they are not allowed to see customers as a condition of employment.[/QUOTE]I figured as not, but had to ask for the fun of it. I remember the age of the Golden Bar, so here's a bonus that ain't a micky. Something I wrote a long time ago.

HIROSHIMA, NAGASAKI, AND NANA.

She has slept with twenty men.

In ten days.

And.

Of those twenty.

One in ten.

Will send her money.

Via Western Union.

Now she sits on my bed.

Smoking a cigarette.

Talking to some poor bastard on her hand phone.

While I pour two glasses of Sang Som.

Over ice.

She begins to speak in a loud voice.

"Why are you calling me? I told you I'm at my friends house. Don't you trust me?

I walk over to the bed and offer her one of the.

Drinks.

She gives me the phone and motions for me to listen.

So I listen.

A guy is crying and saying.

"I'm sorry baby. I'm sorry. ".

I hand her the phone and she puts it to her ear.

Smiling.

She lifts her glass and I lift mine.

It's a funny way to have a first drink.

She asks him if he wants to talk with her friend and pauses.

Knowing he'll say.

No.

It's okay.

I marvel at the bluff she's running.

As I contemplate the destructive force of the atomic bomb.

Versus.

How many will die or have died.

Over her.

She hangs up the phone and smiles at me.

"Are you ready?

I nod my head as she gets up to take a shower.

I hear the water running as I think about the bombs that fell.

On Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Soon she will walk out of the bathroom.

Like insanity in a bath towel.

The worm will slip the hole and we'll both take a piece.

From each other.

She will leave with the morning light and I will smell what's left.

Of her.

On my pillow.

Her name was Nana and she's been alive.

On this earth.

For ten thousand years.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2056264]No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.

Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.

Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. I'd be glad to pay the higher prices if the service was improved or the gals were better looking. Neither is the case. In fact, the service is most often worse.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2056264]No need to be so patronizing. About 5-10 years ago or so, 1000-1500 was enough for ST at Thermae. That's 20% inflation, while other prices haven't changed much. For a long-term expat, 2500 for what often ends up being a quickie seems actually outragrous. Sure, I'd be happy to pay it for a proper multiple pop session with someone really attractive -- but that's often not the case.

Being a "cheap charlie" (trying to pay a fair price) does not negatively affect other mongers -- overpaying and accepting lousy service in return does.

Some Thermae girls reject Western men because they prefer Japanese, not because sometimes, some people refuse to an overinflated price they quote.[/QUOTE]As I catch up with these posts, I was ready to suggest that JT was merely gathering info. I agree with you Croc, why jump to conclusions and label him? Glad to see JT's response. Sometimes that Dog snaps at people.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2056467]As I catch up with these posts, I was ready to suggest that JT was merely gathering info. I agree with you Croc, why jump to conclusions and label him? Glad to see JT's response. Sometimes that Dog snaps at people.[/QUOTE]I'm not snapping at anyone but I'm annoyed with guys like that. He obviously knows these places cost more and putters around in them for no reason. There has been plenty of posts here regarding Thermae. I'm sure he's read the forum so he knows what the rates are there. However he still goes in window shopping and asking them how much well knowing it's at least 2,500. He also knows he's not going to spend that either. Then he asks a stupid question about Levels. Anyone with any sence can look at the place and will know it's goona be more expensive. He dam well knows he's not willing to pay 2,500 and he thinks Levels is goona be cheaper? Hog wash!

In the end, everyone wants to pay less but then there is reality and the reality is that you will be hard pressed to find anything decent as in hot spinners in Bangkok for under 2,500 in a go go bar or freelance bar. For that budget, I already outlined some good choices but he is dead set on the higher end places. So be it but the girls will see his cheapness from a mile away and won't care to talk with him.

Next time, I would suggest he outlines his budget for Bangkok mongering and we can happily tell him where he can get the most bang for his buck!

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2056310]
If a guy refuses to pay a high price on principle, then he is the one who misses out. She will wait until a buyer comes along.
[/QUOTE]That's precisely the wrong attitude. The guy is out for fun and has all the options in the world, from all the other girls and venues, to any other non-sexual pleasurable activity. The guy is missing out on nothing at all -- the hooker will still be there 3 h later after he's done with his steak (but he might be full and not so eager anymore). On the other hand, the girl is out to make money, and has limited time to do so. Sure, she can wait, but for her waiting is costly, while for the punter, it's almost free (with the right attitude, if he's not super psyched about getting his dick wet with this specific girl right at that moment).

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2056310]
the market will force her to change.
[/QUOTE]There are many more factors across the PFP industry than simple supply and demand. There's peer pressure to set a high floor, issues of face and inflated self-worth, the fact that Thais generally tend not to lower (sometimes even raise) prices when business is slow, and so much more.

Even in 2017, there are still prostitutes in Thailand who shag for 350-800 baht, and some of them are not worse looking than those charging 2000-3000, just catering to a different market and environment. It used to be the case that women in the Farang segment (charging 1000-1500) would usually provide vastly superior and more friendly overall experience than those at the cheap Thai end of the market, but that's no longer the case, at least not with any consistency.

Nice to see ISG is still kicking. The usual suspects are here, in another body, with the same spirit. I like this, I like that, you are both dumb for liking this or that. I promise, I jest in a good way.

Read the latest info about what-not: Thermae, General Pricing, other stuff.

Qualifier / Note: Do not read me for current economic information. (I have not been active in BKK for about 10 years).

Thermae. Things have changed from your reports, not unexpected. Facts from my stay in BKK: $1000 Baht was the rate ST / LT. There were obvious exceptions, but one K in my day was the norm. That said, paying more did happen in the morning for whatever reason. My advertised norm was how I negotiated (I really hate that word, but it is what it is too).

But you can negotiate without making it look like a negotiation. Look on the bright side anytime. All she can say is no.

Maybe there is a deeper point. Let me think on that. In the meantime, here is a pretty funny story. At least it is to me.

First time alone on Sukhumvit, circa 2002.

It's hot and I've been meeting many people in BKK I'd met on ICQ. Yeah, they were all women, duh.

I'd said goodbye to the last one for the day and waved as the Skye Train departed. A long day (three or four days really).

Walked down the stairs from the Skye Train and decided to explore on my own. Walked a bit, realized I was getting hot, and sat down on some steps.

Within minutes a girl sits down and propositions me. I had no idea at the time, but I was sitting on the Thermae steps. I declined and moved on down the road.

I ended up at Nana Plaza and checked out several Go-Go bars. It was just like I'd read it would be. I could not believe my eyes! Other stuff happened, a story for another time, I left the GO-GO bar just before close.

Back outside I was still wanting excitement, nothing super exciting had happened, even though I'd seen some things for the first time, still restless.

Walking out of Nana Plaza, I (literally) bumped into someone. It was the same girl from Thermae. She was a little miffed and wanted to know why I was here after I didn't go with her. I didn't know what to say, so I went on a walk with her after she suggested it.

She was hungry and I said hey, I can eat too. We went to some food stall on the side of the road and I learned about Thai noodles with meatballs and other amazing things.

After the food, she wanted to walk some more, I was quite OK with the idea, so we walked.

She was a clever girl, asking a couple of personal questions that made you want to answer, followed up with where you stay?

Since I knew we were getting close to where I stayed, I knew I had to make a choice or not. On cue, she asked where I stayed when we were about 50 meters from the place, so I pointed and said, I stay there.

What follows is obvious (Summary):

Came three times.

First time from sex.

Second time from be. J.

Third time from sex.

In between was full of listening to her life story:

1) a kid.

2) a divorce.

3) Mom takes care of kid while she is working.

I called her out on this the next morning and was shocked when she said OK.

She took me to her apartment somewhere between Soi 30-50, and there it was, the kid and her mom taking care of her child.

Now here is the exception to the rule I mentioned.

It was time for me to leave and she saw me out the door. This is the first time we ever talked money.

She looked at me and said, "you come three times all night. ".

I looked in my wallet and there was 5 one thousand Baht notes. I kept one and gave her four. I've always wished I'd given her five.

So there ya go, scrutinize my story until you're done.

I can neither confirm nor deny that most times, I was a normal punter, paying as little as possible.

And I am thinking, you would not believe me anyway. . . .

Variables that go into FL pricing.

Financial position of the girl.

How badly does she need money, If she is flush she may stick with say 4000ST and go home if she doesn't connect while on another night the same girl with 200 baht to her name will gladly accept half that rather than go home empty.

The time of the evening.

She may leave home at 8 o'clock with expectations / hopes that she can make x amount for the evening but when the clock strikes 1 half of that becomes acceptable.

Venue.

Take 2 girls with similar looks and equally good in the sack, one lounging in Spasso sipping wine one standing on Soi 4. One costs 5000 the other will do short time for a 1000. No comparison I hear you say. From experience I can tell you quite often back in the room when they get their kit off you will not see that much difference. I agree there is a correlation between price and looks / service but where you meet the girl greatly affects the price.

Experience.

The more experienced girls will choose where and how they work to maximize earnings and will not sell themselves short. Relative newcomers not totally up to speed will initially be willing to spend time with you for less.

Peer Pressure.

Agreed it's not a hard and fast rule but there will be an unspoken yet tacit understanding when working a particular venue say Thermae that girls will not routinely accept offers below a certain level E. G. 2500 believing doing so brings prices down overall.

Profile of customer.

Yes it matters how you behave, how you look, dress, smell, how naive the girl believes you are and whether or not there is that illusive chemistry going on. I also believe it matters a lot whether you are passing through or living here.

You can argue about how much but no doubt FL prices have risen over the years especially at the so called Hi end. That said 2500 will still get you 2 hours and 4000 a LT session with an above average looker and for me at least assuming acceptable service that's good value.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2056658]That's precisely the wrong attitude. The guy is out for fun and has all the options in the world, from all the other girls and venues, to any other non-sexual pleasurable activity. The guy is missing out on nothing at all -- the hooker will still be there 3 h later after he's done with his steak (but he might be full and not so eager anymore). On the other hand, the girl is out to make money, and has limited time to do so. Sure, she can wait, but for her waiting is costly, while for the punter, it's almost free (with the right attitude, if he's not super psyched about getting his dick wet with this specific girl right at that moment).

There are many more factors across the PFP industry than simple supply and demand. There's peer pressure to set a high floor, issues of face and inflated self-worth, the fact that Thais generally tend not to lower (sometimes even raise) prices when business is slow, and so much more.

Even in 2017, there are still prostitutes in Thailand who shag for 350-800 baht, and some of them are not worse looking than those charging 2000-3000, just catering to a different market and environment. It used to be the case that women in the Farang segment (charging 1000-1500) would usually provide vastly superior and more friendly overall experience than those at the cheap Thai end of the market, but that's no longer the case, at least not with any consistency.[/QUOTE]Very well stated Croc. Yes, there are lots of factors. In fact, the more oily places that opened the worse service for the punter has become. Competition for gals between shops for gals meant performance standards were relaxed in order to retain gals and punters here are just not demanding enough to complain or walk. More money tends to get you better looks, not better service. I'll stick by my mantra that Thai gals are just not that into sex and especially not into kink or fetish. Most all gals here want to raise there status. On their lakorns (Thai soap operas) many of the leading roles portray women who are pretty but very much asexual, or use sex only as a means to get what they want. The lusty gal who enjoys sex is still viewed as a "bad girl" or one of lower status. With the insane amounts of money (and yes it is insane money for this country) some BGs make now they imagine themselves of higher status. Well, you get the point.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2056310]
In a free market, any girl can ask whatever she wants, and if someone pays her price then that's the end of it.[/QUOTE]I don't usually engage in the price discussion threads as they get lame real quick, but I would like to state my case. What follows WILL p-I-s-s some people off.

I'm not short of a quid, however I am always short of free time. It is for this reason that my time in BKK is always short, so time is precious to me. If I have to pay over the odds to ensure my time in BKK is enjoyable, albeit brief, then so be it. There is absolutely no way I am going to nickle and dime a situation, where the only outcome likely for me is that I miss out on some action, or settle for a less than enjoyable experience.

I'm very sorry for the people who don't have the cash that I do, but this is the way I have to roll. I'm pretty sure the majority on this forum would be the same as I am given the same circumstances.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2056763]I don't usually engage in the price discussion threads as they get lame real quick, but I would like to state my case. What follows WILL p-I-s-s some people off.

I'm not short of a quid, however I am always short of free time. It is for this reason that my time in BKK is always short, so time is precious to me. If I have to pay over the odds to ensure my time in BKK is enjoyable, albeit brief, then so be it. There is absolutely no way I am going to nickle and dime a situation, where the only outcome likely for me is that I miss out on some action, or settle for a less than enjoyable experience.

I'm very sorry for the people who don't have the cash that I do, but this is the way I have to roll. I'm pretty sure the majority on this forum would be the same as I am given the same circumstances.[/QUOTE]I think it is asinine for anyone to believe that a few punters on this forum overypaying can affect the market. In reality the number of mongers on this forum frequenting BKK and PYX or other places in LOS must be a fraction of the visitor traffic to these countries. And those people are all probably paying more. Think Japs, Koreans, Arabs, Indians. All have more income and less time / availability in their own countries.

Girls ask what they think they deserve and mongers offer to pay what they can afford. When the two price points meet, the result is a fuck. Simple. Nothing more to it.

Thanks bro for realizing realty about Indians having big pockets rather as to market perception of us Indians being small pocketed or stingy.

Cheers,

Ss.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2056824]I think it is asinine for anyone to believe that a few punters on this forum overypaying can affect the market. In reality the number of mongers on this forum frequenting BKK and PYX or other places in LOS must be a fraction of the visitor traffic to these countries. And those people are all probably paying more. Think Japs, Koreans, Arabs, Indians. All have more income and less time / availability in their own countries.

Girls ask what they think they deserve and mongers offer to pay what they can afford. When the two price points meet, the result is a fuck. Simple. Nothing more to it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2056824]I think it is asinine for anyone to believe that a few punters on this forum overypaying can affect the market. In reality the number of mongers on this forum frequenting BKK and PYX or other places in LOS must be a fraction of the visitor traffic to these countries. And those people are all probably paying more. Think Japs, Koreans, Arabs, Indians. All have more income and less time / availability in their own countries.

Girls ask what they think they deserve and mongers offer to pay what they can afford. When the two price points meet, the result is a fuck. Simple. Nothing more to it.[/QUOTE]This is the same in every country I have ever visited. I have never been to Thailand but have a bud who lives there so I look at this forum a bit.

I live in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico and it is the same thing here. There are girls who request an insane price (over $250 USD / hour) for a fuck while others charge $80. The $250 will get you an absolute stunner but the service is "average" or worse while the $80 will get you an older gal who gives one of the best BBBJCIM I have ever had.

I suppose some rich Gringo visitors are willing to pay for the high end hookers but, in the end, it really does not drive up the overall market. That seems to be the result of overall inflation, nothing more.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2056658]There are many more factors across the PFP industry than simple supply and demand. There's peer pressure to set a high floor, issues of face and inflated self-worth, the fact that Thais generally tend not to lower (sometimes even raise) prices when business is slow, and so much more.[/QUOTE]I've seen the the whole stubbornly maintain or raise prices thing when times are slow in various negotiations (not just girls)'while in Southeast Asia. Because businesses have no problem lowering prices and this manifests itself mainly when dealing with locals one on one, it makes me think it's all wrapped together in all of what you mentioned. Peer pressure, face, inflated self worth etc.

After I had done some scouting research the day before I was now prepared to find a beauty at Thermae. The situation was more or less the same. Boys and girls standing separate, very few of them engaging. First I thought this was shyness, but of course, they are just waiting, for a better opportunity that is.

I had a softdrink and tried to look casual cool. One of the girls I had talked to the day before gave me a smile, but then I noticed the one standing next to her, wow! She was both good looking and friendly. I chatted her up and she was eager to go. I said I was interested in LT, but she told me she goes one-two hours only because of a regular day-time job.

We walked the short distance to my hotel. She hold my hand and talked of this and that, something which is always a good sign. And a good session it was indeed, especially because of her looks, in my eyes a 10, although most of you would say 9 I guess. When her clothes came off I almost gasped, in these some situations one is easily disappointed of what is hidden behind the garment, but in this case it was the opposite. Especially her tits were perfect. It's a pure bliss to make love to such a Woman. She was very accommodating, and also active for a beauty. Well, she didn't to everything of course (not many 9 or 10 would), and it was neither typical pse nor gfe, just very nice.

Yes, I will visit Thermae more often the next time I'm in Bkk.

I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate. Or, was that a stupid question?? In that case bite me. Bite me!

J. T.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2057025]After I had done some scouting research the day before I was now prepared to find a beauty at Thermae. The situation was more or less the same. Boys and girls standing separate, very few of them engaging. First I thought this was shyness, but of course, they are just waiting, for a better opportunity that is.

I had a softdrink and tried to look casual cool. One of the girls I had talked to the day before gave me a smile, but then I noticed the one standing next to her, wow! She was both good looking and friendly. I chatted her up and she was eager to go. I said I was interested in LT, but she told me she goes one-two hours only because of a regular day-time job.

We walked the short distance to my hotel. She hold my hand and talked of this and that, something which is always a good sign. And a good session it was indeed, especially because of her looks, in my eyes a 10, although most of you would say 9 I guess. When her clothes came off I almost gasped, in these some situations one is easily disappointed of what is hidden behind the garment, but in this case it was the opposite. Especially her tits were perfect. It's a pure bliss to make love to such a Woman. She was very accommodating, and also active for a beauty. Well, she didn't to everything of course (not many 9 or 10 would), and it was neither typical pse nor gfe, just very nice.

Yes, I will visit Thermae more often the next time I'm in Bkk.

I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate. Or, was that a stupid question?? In that case bite me. Bite me!

J. T.[/QUOTE]Hey John a few questions, What did you end up paying for the evening of bliss? Attitude, chemistry and personality have a lot to do with finding the perfect match. I have talked to some ladies that were funny and had great personalities and I would bang in a minute what ever they charged. Then I've met 10's that were not personable at all and I would fuck them for 1000 baht.

George Carlen has a great routine in it he said "I never fucked a 10, but I fucked a lot of 2's". The amazing thing is the 2's are always a better ball and usually have better personally.

Congrates on your great evening with a sweet lady.

RL.

Hi all,

I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.

[QUOTE=SmilingBuddha;2057132]Hi all,

I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.[/QUOTE]Duh! Pattaya, and Bangkok Thailand are South East Asia and many Indians settled and mixed with the Thais. Dude, read the forum.

RL.

[QUOTE=Ssdel;2056833]Thanks bro for realizing realty about Indians having big pockets rather as to market perception of us Indians being small pocketed or stingy.[/QUOTE]No offense, but why do Indians go to a bar in a group and order just one beer to share among 3 people? And the same for women. Surely there is more to this than just perception alone?

[QUOTE=SmilingBuddha;2057132]Hi all,

I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.[/QUOTE]4 posts in 4 forums asking the same question. What a prick. Simple answer is NO YOU WON'T FIND INDIAN WOMEN RENTING THEIR PUSSY IN PATTAYA OR Bangkok.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2057025]
I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate. Or, was that a stupid question?? In that case bite me. Bite me!

J. T.[/QUOTE]I just wondered why you ask the question. LOL You can assume most of her STs last much less than 2 hours. Assume 1 hour or less on average. If she is as stunning as you say, she won't stand in Thermae for that long before getting a customer. So many times, I started to consider some girl and just about ready to approach her when some Japanese guy got to her first and whisked her away. Too slow to decide.

You could ask the girl how many she gets. LOL. She knows better than anyone but unlikely to be very specific. It could range from 1 to 5, depending on how much money she needs, or how diligent she is or how easy the customers were. There must be low days and extremely busy days. We can't know the true answer for the average Thermae stunner, since there are so few of them.

Bear in mind that a really top girl can do several STs in one night. That is an added reason why LT 5 k does not interest them in the slightest. If you can find a great GFE girl their you are doing well.

Hi guys,

I have an awesome flight deal to Bangkok at the end of August and am very interested in booking it. I have been (mongered) a number of places (I am 34) including the normal hotspots of Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Panama, Peru, Germany and Hungary. However, after reading these threads I am kinda torn. It seems the prices for good looking women are almost at the $200 range -- which is insane as that is the same rate I could pay here in America (which I don't). I always heard that Thailand was a good deal but I am guessing demand / people throwing money has created inflation or just higher prices in general? Do you think I should still go? Look, I am not cheap but I can go to Medellin for the same price flight and get many girls for $50-$100 for 1-2 hours and if I wanted to be cheap I could go to a few casas. I just don't know if I can justify flying an insane amount of time for pussy that will be more than I would pay in America. Do you think it is worth the trip? Are there a lot of normal things to do in Bangkok besides you know what? I would be riding solo, so it is easy to meetup with fellow travelers? Yes, I am a noob but just want to get your opinion is if it is worth traveling halfway around the world to experience Thailand. P.S. Are there other areas better to visit I. E. Chaing Mai or the beach areas?

[QUOTE=SmilingBuddha;2057132]I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.[/QUOTE]

I've occasionally seen an Indian sex worker in low-end streetwalker areas of Bangkok (Yaowarat and Khlong Lot), and have seen two on Beach Road in Pattaya last year, once out of a thousand times I walked there. However, on any given night, your chances of finding one are extremely low, even if you know where to look. It's fair to say you won't find any, though stranger things have happened in Thailand.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2057025]I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate.[/QUOTE]It's an interesting question, though unless someone is willing to stand at the back door of Thermae with a click-counter for a few nights, it's only a guess. I agree with what Syzygies said, that 5 would be about the maximum (an average ST lasting 1 h or less).

Thai working girls (especially the pretty ones) are typically not ultra-hard-working nor singularly focused on maximizing their income. I think most would call it a night after 1-3 customers, unless they had specific reasons to work more. Even a single ST, 2500 baht, is a solid amount of money in Thailand, a 7-11 employee takes 8 working days (at 300 baht / day) to make that much.

I had an open few days on a business trip in southeast Asia and was encouraged to come to Bangkok for another visit. I have visited in the past, but not really found much to my liking. However, a senior member sealed the deal when he offered to show me around and make some introductions. Unfortunately, he seems to have stood me up -- no doubt for some good reason, but the courtesy of tell me would have been nice -- no matter, I was left to my own abilities and research in the forum, the normal situation. Fortunately, this is one of best forums with lots of helpful members and detailed postings. I don't expect this post will add much.

Arrival: Landed at BKK and picked up two True Home 4 G tourist 8-day SIM cards with unlimited 4 G data for US $10/each just outside of customs. One for the phone and one for the iPad. (so far very fast data and no issues). After much RTFF, I decided I would scout out the Saphan Kwai clubs and Ratchada massage shops since these sounded the most local and previously mentioned senior member had talked them up. I booked a room at the (mostly) newly renovated Swissotel LE Concord on Ratchada Road ($130/ night on the executive floor) From BKK I easily and quickly made my way via the Skytrain from the airport to the Makkasan station but then made the mistake of hailing a taxi at 5:00 pm on a rainy evening. I should have just transferred to the subway and taken the train to Huai Khwang station because it's a 3-minute walk to the LE Concord. 30 minute taxi ride in lots of traffic, but only 100 baht who can complain about US $3. 00 ?

Night 1: Ratchada Massage -.

I was delighted to see that The Lord Hotel and Spa is essentially directly across the street and a 4 minute walk from the hotel as are a couple other massage places. I entered The Lord Spa (entrance on the leftside of the building) at 8:00 pm. It's a really nice looking place inside! To the left of the high-ceilinged marble lobby there is a two-tier wedding cake of 75 girls surrounded by a low gold railing and numerous tables and comfortable chairs strewn about. The place was very well lighted and it was easy to see the girls clearly. There were 6-8 well dressed male and female hosts who assisted guests into the area. I was met by a gentleman who explained the tiered pricing of the ladies: are 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K, L, XL and XX for 90 minutes.

There were about 75 women who were 6-8's of various ages and sizes. I asked for someone 20-22 (as locals know, the girls have to be at least 20 to work in these places or the bars), with natural breasts and no kids. Well, that requirement winnowed the herd right down to 3 girls. All in the K or M range. I selected an M class (sorry don't recall her number) who's name was Phoo. Service was pretty much the standard affair but done with enthusiasm. I certainly knew I was doing a pro and not the girl next door for all the scrubbing and wiping and mouth-washing and soaping and washing and lubricate. It was ok 7/10.

Night 1: Saphan Kwai Bars (near 26 Sutthisan Winitchai and Soi Inthamara).

This scene has been well documented by BKKDOG in his Saphan Kwai blog as a locals place and not recommended for tourists (like me). Nevertheless, I was interested and hopped a taxi from The Lord at 9:45/10:00 and made my way to the area. This should have been a piece of cake, but the main road connecting the two areas was changed to one-way the wrong way and the taxi driver and I had to navigate several kms out of our way to get there. Glad I had Google Maps running because the driver wouldn't have figured it out.

The street looked pretty dead, but I found T-Ded bar. Which is a pretty big place for this area. I almost missed it because the door facing the street were chained shut, fortunately I looked down an alley way and saw the entrance. It's a run down club with good lighting and music not too loud so you can actually have a conversation. I should say if you spoke Thai you might have a conversation, because no one spoke much English. I speak no Thai, but I was able to get by just fine with Google Translate. In fact it was amazing that even with loud music the speaking function works pretty well. Well enough that I could talk back and forth with a girl using it even with the music blasting pretty loud.

My thought was to ingratiate myself with these folks, in hopes that someone could guide me to some attractive girls, cause I didn't see anything that looked very good on arrival and if it looked good I could come back the next night. By about 11:00 pm there were 50+ girls and half the tables were full of local Thai guys. I ordered a bunch of food, got a girl and bought her a 120 baht lady drink, ordered a bunch of beer. Eventually the staff was helping me out and bring better looking girls around. I found that the girl who I bought the LD from wasn't for take out but that was cool, it was only 120 baht. I met some local guys who spoke English and seemed keen to hang out so I drank with them and we took turn getting 100 baht lap dances. I got LINE contact from several of the girls, but none struck me as hot enough to take home. The asking price was 2,500 short time. I asked the locals about other bars in the area (RCA, The Best, For-U) but they said they had all closed or moved. Google Maps shows in street view the signs for For-you and RCA, but the actual street has no signs so maybe they have moved. I picked up the local guys check and paid my own, which had swelled to 2,300, tipped the hosts and manager 100-200 baht each and left with my wallet 3,500 lighter. It was a nice friendly experience but it probably takes a few trips before it would yield anything special.

I left around 12:30 am and walked both sides of Sutthisan Winitchai and found only one other bar. A place with no sign but brightly lighted and I was welcomed in. I later found they call the place something like UD or EP (two initials, one a vowel), its located close to Soi 1. The girls inside here were better than what I had seen at T-Ded. Fewer tats, less fat, younger. But at 1:00 am there were maybe a total of 15 girls of which 2-3 were attractive to me. They were 2,000ST and said they had a place very close maybe that hotel across the street?? I sat and talked and fondled a few for 45 minutes and a couple of beers but wasn't inspired and called it a night.

Summary: Swissotel Le Concord is great location for exploring these two areas. The massage scene seems active and I'll explore it more tonight. the bars on Saphan Kwai are a very interesting local experience - a nice change up.

Well, here goes my first FR.

Being a high profile individual in my company, it was difficult for me to monger around in the open. So, I resorted to having escorts to my room discretely.

Night 1: I came to BKK for a conference, and arrived late in the evening. After commuting through the traffic to Sukhumvit, I checked in and contacted Absolute Angels. They sent over a girl named Star. Well, to be fair the girl was not what I expected after looking at the pics. Still, I paid her in full and moved on to the shower with her. She had an amazing figure and fake boobs. After the shower, I asked her for a BJ which she declined because of a dental problem. I told her to then start riding me. On goes the cap and the girl riding the bull. Boy is she tight. After 15 minutes of sweat in 3-4 positions I gave up and exploded. She cleaned up quickly, and we had some food ordered. After the food we went in for another round for 15-20 minutes and then she was off.

Looks: 10/10 in the website, 5/10 in actual.

Figure: 8/10, no tummy.

Service: 6/10 for no BBBJ or DATY.

WIR: No.

Night 2: This time, I ordered a Russian from Bangkok-Russian-[URL]escorts.com[/URL]. The girl (Alexa) arrived with a female bodyguard, who collected the money and demanded tips! Did not tip her and asked her to leave. This was not the girl I ordered, but a well built Russian with good boobs. So I continued. But then it all went down hill. No shower together, although she insisted on me having shower and then she went in for shower!! No BBBJ, No DATY, No fingering! So, I started banging her. In between, she had her annoying phone ringing. She went off to attend twice. I banged her again for 1/2 HR because jonny was relaxed a bit and had more energy. Then let her off.

Looks: 8/10.

Figure: 8/10, little tummy but natural see cups.

Service: 3/10 for no BBBJ or DATY.

WIR: No.

Night 2 again: At 3 AM, I was up because of jet lag, and ordered a girl from Smooci. Forgot her name, but she has a pic in a bright green bikini on Smooci and with goggles. She looked exactly like her pics and boobs were better than expected on such a tiny frame. Well, she came in at 3:30 and we went for a quick shower. She started giving me a BBBJ in the shower without asking. Finally, bliss! Off to the bed, bit of banging, fingering, BBBJ and session 1 done. We watched a few online things on youtube, and then we started again. This time BBBJ was much much longer and she knew her deed. Had an amazing time with this girl. Well worth the money.

Final day: I ordered a girl called Beer from Smooci again. Looks surprised me on how well these girls can alter their profile pics using photoshop. Well, long story short. Great body, natural boobs and forgettable face. Blowjobs were wet and amazing. The girl had an amazing chatterbox and pleasing attitude. After round 1 of fucking, she offered me a massage, which I took. Then we had some coffee, and off to round 2. I told her to give me an end to end blowjob, which she was more than happy to give. She turned around with her ass and pussy on my face for a 69 and we both started our tongue work. She was obviously much better at it. My balls and dick were being well attended to, and boy the 15 minutes of extremely wet and powerful blowjob rendered me shivering.

Thanks for the report. I used to frequent the Ratchada soapies very often, but ever since Nataree closed down, I haven't been able to find one worth going to. Sure, the sideliner girls at Nataree could sometimes be very inexperienced, but I loved the girl-next-door vibe they all had, and most of the girls were young and HOT.

Since Nataree's closure, I've periodically browsed through Ocean / Colonze, Emmanuelle / Amsterdam, Merci, The Lord, Alaina, La Belle, and further outposts such as Catherine's and La Defense. All have been disappointing. The girls in these places are over the hill or too pro. No fun for someone who prefers the amateur girl-next-door. Haven't seen a young hot 9 or 10 in a long while. If you find a good one, please let us know!

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2057289]

Night 1: Ratchada Massage -.

I was delighted to see that The Lord Hotel and Spa is essentially directly across the street and a 4 minute walk from the hotel as are a couple other massage places. I entered The Lord Spa (entrance on the leftside of the building) at 8:00 pm. It's a really nice looking place inside! To the left of the high-ceilinged marble lobby there is a two-tier wedding cake of 75 girls surrounded by a low gold railing and numerous tables and comfortable chairs strewn about. The place was very well lighted and it was easy to see the girls clearly. There were 6-8 well dressed male and female hosts who assisted guests into the area. I was met by a gentleman who explained the tiered pricing of the ladies: are 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K, L, XL and XX for 90 minutes.

There were about 75 women who were 6-8's of various ages and sizes. I asked for someone 20-22 (as locals know, the girls have to be at least 20 to work in these places or the bars), with natural breasts and no kids. Well, that requirement winnowed the herd right down to 3 girls. All in the K or M range. I selected an M class (sorry don't recall her number) who's name was Phoo. Service was pretty much the standard affair but done with enthusiasm. I certainly knew I was doing a pro and not the girl next door for all the scrubbing and wiping and mouth-washing and soaping and washing and lubricate. It was ok 7/10.

[/QUOTE]

Ann or Amm from Isaan. Slim body, maybe mid 20's, average face (a lot better than most of the old ones usually seen at BJ bars).

Didn't allow kiss, didn't allow to touch her anywhere (boobs / ass. So I guess even less chances to touch pussy), didn't want to get naked.

Average BJ, not so bad but really nothing special (just one base movement).

Had the decency not to ask for a tip at least.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2057240]Thai working girls (especially the pretty ones) are typically not ultra-hard-working nor singularly focused on maximizing their income. I think most would call it a night after 1-3 customers, unless they had specific reasons to work more. Even a single ST, 2500 baht, is a solid amount of money in Thailand, a 7-11 employee takes 8 working days (at 300 baht / day) to make that much.[/QUOTE]And the pretty ones often have more than one sponsor regularly sending them money from abroad. I know some girls who are clearing as much as 50 K a month just from chumps whom they have never met. Now add that to their income from ST jaunts. If one were to assume 3 pops a night one 3 days a week, then she is making around 22 K a week, or roughly 80 K a month from ST pops alone. And she is working 3 nights a week for roughly 4 - 6 hours per night.

That is real serious income in Thailand. Middle management in most industries would be making that kind of money.

[QUOTE=Culture;2057225]Hi guys,

I have an awesome flight deal to Bangkok at the end of August and am very interested in booking it. I have been (mongered) a number of places (I am 34) including the normal hotspots of Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Panama, Peru, Germany and Hungary. However, after reading these threads I am kinda torn. It seems the prices for good looking women are almost at the $200 range -- which is insane as that is the same rate I could pay here in America (which I don't). I always heard that Thailand was a good deal but I am guessing demand / people throwing money has created inflation or just higher prices in general? Do you think I should still go? Look, I am not cheap but I can go to Medellin for the same price flight and get many girls for $50-$100 for 1-2 hours and if I wanted to be cheap I could go to a few casas. I just don't know if I can justify flying an insane amount of time for pussy that will be more than I would pay in America. Do you think it is worth the trip? Are there a lot of normal things to do in Bangkok besides you know what? I would be riding solo, so it is easy to meetup with fellow travelers? Yes, I am a noob but just want to get your opinion is if it is worth traveling halfway around the world to experience Thailand. P.S. Are there other areas better to visit I. E. Chaing Mai or the beach areas?[/QUOTE]Go, I seriously doubt you will regret it. Chiang Mai isn't particularly good for mongering but it's a nice city. There is no place like Thailand.

[QUOTE=CDirtyB;2057296]Well, here goes my first FR.

Being a high profile individual in my company, it was difficult for me to monger around in the open. So, I resorted to having escorts to my room discretely.

Night 1: I came to BKK for a conference, and arrived late in the evening. After commuting through the traffic to Sukhumvit, I checked in and contacted Absolute Angels. They sent over a girl named Star. Well, to be fair the girl was not what I expected after looking at the pics. Still, I paid her in full and moved on to the shower with her. She had an amazing figure and fake boobs. After the shower, I asked her for a BJ which she declined because of a dental problem. I told her to then start riding me. On goes the cap and the girl riding the bull. Boy is she tight. After 15 minutes of sweat in 3-4 positions I gave up and exploded. She cleaned up quickly, and we had some food ordered. After the food we went in for another round for 15-20 minutes and then she was off.

Looks: 10/10 in the website, 5/10 in actual.

Figure: 8/10, no tummy.

Service: 6/10 for no BBBJ or DATY.

WIR: No.

Night 2: This time, I ordered a Russian from Bangkok-Russian-[URL]escorts.com[/URL]. The girl (Alexa) arrived with a female bodyguard, who collected the money and demanded tips! Did not tip her and asked her to leave. This was not the girl I ordered, but a well built Russian with good boobs. So I continued. But then it all went down hill. No shower together, although she insisted on me having shower and then she went in for shower!! No BBBJ, No DATY, No fingering! So, I started banging her. In between, she had her annoying phone ringing. She went off to attend twice. I banged her again for 1/2 HR because jonny was relaxed a bit and had more energy. Then let her off.

Looks: 8/10.

Figure: 8/10, little tummy but natural see cups.

Service: 3/10 for no BBBJ or DATY.

WIR: No.

Night 2 again: At 3 AM, I was up because of jet lag, and ordered a girl from Smooci. Forgot her name, but she has a pic in a bright green bikini on Smooci and with goggles. She looked exactly like her pics and boobs were better than expected on such a tiny frame. Well, she came in at 3:30 and we went for a quick shower. She started giving me a BBBJ in the shower without asking. Finally, bliss! Off to the bed, bit of banging, fingering, BBBJ and session 1 done. We watched a few online things on youtube, and then we started again. This time BBBJ was much much longer and she knew her deed. Had an amazing time with this girl. Well worth the money.

Final day: I ordered a girl called Beer from Smooci again. Looks surprised me on how well these girls can alter their profile pics using photoshop. Well, long story short. Great body, natural boobs and forgettable face. Blowjobs were wet and amazing. The girl had an amazing chatterbox and pleasing attitude. After round 1 of fucking, she offered me a massage, which I took. Then we had some coffee, and off to round 2. I told her to give me an end to end blowjob, which she was more than happy to give. She turned around with her ass and pussy on my face for a 69 and we both started our tongue work. She was obviously much better at it. My balls and dick were being well attended to, and boy the 15 minutes of extremely wet and powerful blowjob rendered me shivering.[/QUOTE]I will be there in some days from now. Would be really interested in meeting the first of your 2 Smooci grils, unfortunately you don't recall her name. Having a look through Smooci I could'nt see any with a green bikini, at least today. Could be so kind and try to investigate Smooci for finding her and let me know? Thanks a lot!!

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2057025]

I just wondered, given Thermae girls' preference for st, how many men do the most attractive of them do on a given night, on average? Or would that be pure speculation to try to estimate. Or, was that a stupid question?? In that case bite me. Bite me!

J. T.[/QUOTE]Certainly not extensive data sampling, but the girl I met at Thermae back in March and then spent 7 the week with when I returned in May says she generally does no more than 2ST per night unless things have been slow for several days then she might try to get 3+ to pad her bank account. I was purely interested so I could have a reasonable number for compensating her for spending 24/7 with me when I was in town. Not wanting to overpay, but also not wanting to severely underpay for her time and potential lost income from other clients.

[QUOTE=Culture;2057225]Hi guys,

I have an awesome flight deal to Bangkok at the end of August and am very interested in booking it. I have been (mongered) a number of places (I am 34) including the normal hotspots of Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Panama, Peru, Germany and Hungary. However, after reading these threads I am kinda torn. It seems the prices for good looking women are almost at the $200 range -- which is insane as that is the same rate I could pay here in America (which I don't). I always heard that Thailand was a good deal but I am guessing demand / people throwing money has created inflation or just higher prices in general? Do you think I should still go? Look, I am not cheap but I can go to Medellin for the same price flight and get many girls for $50-$100 for 1-2 hours and if I wanted to be cheap I could go to a few casas. I just don't know if I can justify flying an insane amount of time for pussy that will be more than I would pay in America. Do you think it is worth the trip? Are there a lot of normal things to do in Bangkok besides you know what? I would be riding solo, so it is easy to meetup with fellow travelers? Yes, I am a noob but just want to get your opinion is if it is worth traveling halfway around the world to experience Thailand. P.S. Are there other areas better to visit I. E. Chaing Mai or the beach areas?[/QUOTE]How long would you plan to go? If you do 2 weeks with 1 week BKK and 1 week Pattaya it be worth it!

* Thermae - made my way here at 9:00 pm (they open at 8:00 pm) on a Friday night. This has been described elsewhere, but for the lazy newcomer (rare, right??) Located near Nana Plaza, it's a wide-open room about 40 meters x 15 meters with a low ceiling, bright lights and a linoleum floor with a sort of wooden serpentine shape bar-height table running through the middle and a bar counter on one end with a half dozen guys trying to get everyone who enters to buy a drink. The entire perimeter is lined with working girls standing with their hands folded shoulder to shoulder maybe 75 or 100 girls. Punters walk around looking at the girls and stopping to chat with those that look interesting. To my eye the quality was pretty average. 30%-40% over-thirty-year-old Milfs, 40% late 20's, maybe 15% early 20's. I didn't see any 9's or 10's, mostly 6-7's.

The vibe is really kinda weird and sterile. Few of the girls seemed to be flirty, most just stood there or talked to a friend. Many made eye contact and smiled a bit. But it was none of the liveliness of say visiting a barbershop back in the Changping days or even your average fishbowl.

* Girl#1 - I found a couple that looked nice and got some smiles. Finally settled on a 23-year-old sporting a tight mid-riff and flawless skin. After 45 seconds of pleasantries, I said let's go for ST. She said 3,000. I laughed and said 2,500; she said 3,000. This went on for another 30 seconds before she said ok. So, it's really all business here and not like flirting and a little groping in the clubs. There are no seats, it is just a commercial market, indoor streetwalkers, in good light so you can see what you are getting.

Directly about Thermae is the Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel, accessible via a back stairway, where they charge 700 for 2 hours for a room and 100 for a pack of condoms. They took the girl's ID. And, up we went to the 4th floor. (One could get a room here for the whole night and just shuttle girls in and out. The Agoda nightly rate is 1,100 baht / US $35. So, if you were thinking of more than one session, or just wanted to save some money, it would be worth it to book a room all night. The quality is fair a 2 star-type place but it's cheap and cheery and clean with a decent king bed in a large room. There are a couple of other nicer places within 100 metres including a Sofitel.).

In the room, the girl did the funniest thing I've seen in a while. She took out her phone and turned on the camera then walked around the room pointing the lens at the wall, at the curtains, at the ceiling, into ventilation ducts, under the bed. I asked her WTF she was doing. She said "checking for spy cameras" Oh, really? How's that work? "All spy cameras will show up as red dots if you point a phone at them!" OK! Whatever! Can you please take your clothes off now?

The girl was very friendly and sweet. She spoke a little English. She confessed that she had been doing this 3 nights a week for 5 weeks, and I was her first European, and she was nervous. I suspect judging from the looks I got that many of the girls here haven't been with Caucasians and many don't want to try. But, my girl was game to expand her, ah, ah, horizons and we had good time. Really stunning tight body, albeit with new fake tits that were nice quality but not really my thing. Showered together before, decent BBBJ, and a good if slightly star-fish fuck. Didn't want to do doggy and complained a bit about size but soldiered-on like a good Buddhist girl.

This had only taken 45 minutes so I held on to the room key thinking I might get another girl.

Damage: 2,500 + 500 tip + 700 room + 100 condo = 3,800.
Face: 8/10.
Body: 9/10 (if fake tits don't lose points, otherwise 7/10); no kids.
Service: 6/10.
Attitude: 8/10.
Repeat: maybe, she could get GFE with some time.

* Girl #2 - I wasn't fully sated so I went back to look around again. By 10:30 the place had filled with men and it was a bit of a conga line of guys walking counterclockwise (this being a Buddhist country) around looking at the girls. In the corner I saw a young-looking girl who wasn't dolled up standing with a woman who could have been a mamasan or aunt. She wasn't the cutest or thinnest of the women but she had a much less pro attitude and I thought I might find a little innocence. She said she was 21 and had no kids. I said ok, let's go, 2,500. She countered with 3,000 and we went back and forth. I could see she was a little hesitate about me and in the interests of time I said ok to 3,000 (sorry guys for not holding the line).

Back to the hotel and she insisted on showering alone which reinforced my sense that she was inexperienced and shy. She emerged wrapped in a towel and I showered. When I came out she was, as I thought she might be, under the covers with the towel on and all the lights but one off. LOL. I dragged her out and on to the top of the covers, turned on a few lights, and unwrapped the package. She was bit chubby with small tits but no signs of pregnancy and an unfortunately very hairy Bush. Not exactly sexy, but I thought a BJ would get me in the mood so after a little cuddling I suggested she do that.

Then it happened. She pulled out a condom and tried to put it on me. Well, this is a total nonstarter for me. It is just a worthless endeavor and I haven't accepted one in about 15 years. So I told her No. She said yes condom. I said no way. Then she pulled this bullshit: she pulled her lip down and said she had a sore. I couldn't see a damn sore, but WTF am I going to do. At this point I was totally uninterested in fucking her. So I called the whole thing off and gave 1000 baht and got out there. I'm 80% sure this is just the bullshit she pulls so she doesn't have to do a BBBJ.

Damage: 1000.
Face: 6/10.
Body: 6/10.
Service: 0/10.
Attitude: 0/10.

** Summary thoughts on Thermae: This seems like a (relative to massage parlors) cheap place to get yourself laid with a minimum of wasted time and with a large selection of girls. The quality wasn't so great the night that I was there, but I'm sure one could find diamonds if you stopped by frequently. It's convenient, so you could have a look and move on. There is no cover. If you are mongering with a thin wallet, the option of getting a room at the hotel above would save money and time. You could pretty much count on 3 shags and a night at the hotel for less than 10,000.

After not finding much quality at Thermeas I decided to walk to Levels since there are only about 15 minutes apart and Levels has a reputation for quality FLs. I arrived about 11:00 pm on a Friday. Levels, is a proper dance type club on the upper floors with an outside bar area filled with smokers. No cover and I paid 120 baht for a soda and walked around. There was a mix of mongers and normal folks including a few Western backpacker types shooting selfies. Good live band and small dance floor filled. The FLs here are supposed to be 5,000 to 6,000 which seems pretty fucking expensive for the talent I saw. In fact there was really none that looked very hot other than one tall girl with a white lace body suit on. Body looked very tight and nice, but I'the guess at least a 50% chance she was a post-op. So, I don't know if this was average or not, but it was a disappointment. Several chunky girls waddling around. No idea who would dish out $150 for that. I can't see the draw of that place and won't go out of my way again without some better reports. I cut my losses and decided to make a dash to The Lord before they closed at midnight.

Buddy,

I went through my phone logs to find messages from Smooci and found her name. Her name was Kel.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2057401]I will be there in some days from now. Would be really interested in meeting the first of your 2 Smooci grils, unfortunately you don't recall her name. Having a look through Smooci I could'nt see any with a green bikini, at least today. Could be so kind and try to investigate Smooci for finding her and let me know? Thanks a lot!![/QUOTE]

OMG steel baton, too funny about the hidden camera detector on the girl's phone. I just looked them up on Google play for fun. Mixed reviews whether they even work. I hope I run into a girl who does that one day.

Are the girls hotter at levels, lord, or thermae?

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2057622]* Thermae - made my way here at 9:00 pm (they open at 8:00 pm) on a Friday night. .... To my eye the quality was pretty average. 30%-40% over-thirty-year-old Milfs, 40% late 20's, maybe 15% early 20's. I didn't see any 9's or 10's, mostly 6-7's.

The vibe is really kinda weird and sterile. Few of the girls seemed to be flirty, most just stood there or talked to a friend. Many made eye contact and smiled a bit. But it was none of the liveliness of say visiting a barbershop back in the Changping days or even your average fishbowl.

* Girl#1 - ... The girl was very friendly and sweet. She spoke a little English. She confessed that she had been doing this 3 nights a week for 5 weeks, and I was her first European, and she was nervous. I suspect judging from the looks I got that many of the girls here haven't been with Caucasians and many don't want to try. But, my girl was game to expand her, ah, ah, horizons and we had good time. Really stunning tight body, albeit with new fake tits that were nice quality but not really my thing. Showered together before, decent BBBJ, and a good if slightly star-fish fuck. Didn't want to do doggy and complained a bit about size but soldiered-on like a good Buddhist girl.

This had only taken 45 minutes so I held on to the room key thinking I might get another girl. .....

Repeat: maybe, she could get GFE with some time.

* Girl #2 - .... I'm 80% sure this is just the bullshit she pulls so she doesn't have to do a BBBJ.

Damage: 1000.
Face: 6/10.
Body: 6/10.
Service: 0/10.
Attitude: 0/10.

** Summary thoughts on Thermae: This seems like a (relative to massage parlors) cheap place to get yourself laid with a minimum of wasted time and with a large selection of girls. The quality wasn't so great the night that I was there, but I'm sure one could find diamonds if you stopped by frequently. It's convenient, so you could have a look and move on. There is no cover. If you are mongering with a thin wallet, the option of getting a room at the hotel above would save money and time. You could pretty much count on 3 shags and a night at the hotel for less than 10,000.[/QUOTE]Hi Steel, I think your report captures the essence of modern day Thermae. I am not a fan. Most of the girls do not appeal to me, although there are always a few who might under different circumstances, but I really dislike the weird, sterile (good description), environment with everybody just standing apart, with minimum interaction between the sexy doable girls and the guys. It seems kind of juvenile and adolescent to me. Both Go Go's and massage parlors coming at it from different angles and approaches provide better opportunities, better odds of success, and more fun IMHO. The NE Asians ruined this venue. Thermae used to be a lot of fun in the good ol days.

? Did your first girl go back to Thermae after the session?

Left Pattaya to BKK for my last 5 nights in Thailand. Made a pass through the MP zone around Phrom Phong BTS station last night. In the previous 2 weeks, I had 3 hot sessions before I found a solid 9/10 GFE steady in Pattaya. She will meet me in BKK to round out my last 2 days. So I was pretty sated and jaded when I set out. Unlike last time cruising around Soi 24 Sukhumvit, I didn't luck into an awesome MILF hottie to break my 5 year sexual fast. I started hitting them at 9:30. Addict had an unimpressive lineup, as did Snow White, and Orient, (previous hottie not seen out front). Some had very few available, or a horde of men just walked in before me, and I didn't want to hassle the inevitable shrinking of the talent pool. Only Club 102 had a good lineup where a late 30's MILF gave me a smile of inevitably banging me brainless. But when the European proprietor handed me the price list, I declined and left. It was the highest prices I saw there. I assume it means we get everything w / o much tipping, as opposed to Snow White where the prices were 1/3 of Club 102. I wasn't horny enough, and too picky to take a chance on the price. Is Club 102 worth it, assuming that hottie I saw there is still available?

I then walked to Nana Plaza. The bars were closed, but the FL's were out. A lot of trans, run down looking older and young women, and overly made up snow queens. If I had the time, horniness, and extra bucks for a ST room, I'd comb through the bevy of African women I saw there, and pick a jewel.

I'll go back to Soi 24 tonight.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2057622]* Thermae -

** Summary thoughts on Thermae: This seems like a (relative to massage parlors) cheap place to get yourself laid with a minimum of wasted time and with a large selection of girls. The quality wasn't so great the night that I was there, but I'm sure one could find diamonds if you stopped by frequently. It's convenient, so you could have a look and move on. There is no cover. If you are mongering with a thin wallet, the option of getting a room at the hotel above would save money and time. You could pretty much count on 3 shags and a night at the hotel for less than 10,000.[/QUOTE]I've been on this forum for over 15 years and remember the old posts about Thermae. I've walked by it in the past, and if I remember correctly there used to be "girls" (mid to late 30's) outside calling out to punters. I guess they are no longer the famous place for the older-ish women? I finally went there last Dec and it was truly miserable. Granted, I got one of the last girls before closing!

I just don't understand why we hear so much about this place? What is so special? Is it cheap now, that's why? I've been to BKK over the years and had some of the most AMAZING experiences with soapy message. What is special about Thermae when there are 100 X other places which put this to shame IMHO? What am I missing?

I live and work in HCMC but will be in BKK Aug 15 to late Sept.

I'd love to meet up with another hobbyist in BKK who can show me the freelance scene. I did the club and FL scene outside Nana in 12/2016 and found it fantastic, far better than the current bar / club scene. It's a little closer to real pick up / GF situations IMHO, as many of these girls are a bit picky and have regular day jobs. I say this in spite of the fact that I'm late 40's and not in the same physical shape I was in BKK in my 20's. Still considered very attractive but older, though.

As for HCMC, it takes a long time to understand P4 P or getting laid in first 2 dates. Our Western ideas of P4 P are totally useless there, so I'd be more than happy to give you tips when you visit. I'm working / living there for 10 months straight and have been there 1 year already.

Cheers,

WL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2057829]OMG steel baton, too funny about the hidden camera detector on the girl's phone. I just looked them up on Google play for fun. Mixed reviews whether they even work. I hope I run into a girl who does that one day.

Are the girls hotter at levels, lord, or thermae?[/QUOTE]Of the three, The Lord girls are much, much better than Thermae, of course twice the price. I closed out my night at The Lord again. I'll write that up later. I could not really see the point of Levels, but I suppose better looking than Thermae but none that got me interested.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2057845]Hi Steel, I think your report captures the essence of modern day Thermae. I am not a fan. Most of the girls do not appeal to me, although there are always a few who might under different circumstances, but I really dislike the weird, sterile (good description), environment with everybody just standing apart, with minimum interaction between the sexy doable girls and the guys. It seems kind of juvenile and adolescent to me. Both Go Go's and massage parlors coming at it from different angles and approaches provide better opportunities, better odds of success, and more fun IMHO. The NE Asians ruined this venue. Thermae used to be a lot of fun in the good ol days.

? Did your first girl go back to Thermae after the session?[/QUOTE]Oh, yes girl #1 was right back down there looking for another go -- apparently the western equipment caused very temporary strife. Also girl #2 was right back in her spot, despite that "sore" on her lip.

I think if a mate just wanted to bang some pussy and wasn't very picky Thermae would be the most "efficient" place, but I don't think I'll be going back. Seems the owners could make a bit more money by encouraging longer stays by the punters with some couches and chairs, a little mellow music, and the lights dimmed just a bit. Not too much, I like being able to see what I'm buying.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2058052]
I think if a mate just wanted to bang some pussy and wasn't very picky Thermae would be the most "efficient" place, but I don't think I'll be going back. Seems the owners could make a bit more money by encouraging longer stays by the punters with some couches and chairs, a little mellow music, and the lights dimmed just a bit. Not too much, I like being able to see what I'm buying.[/QUOTE]The Thermae always had bar stools and seating areas (tables with benches). Last time I was there, which is about 2 or 3 years ago, they were still there.

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2058036]I've been on this forum for over 15 years and remember the old posts about Thermae. I've walked by it in the past, and if I remember correctly there used to be "girls" (mid to late 30's) outside calling out to punters. I guess they are no longer the famous place for the older-ish women? I finally went there last Dec and it was truly miserable. Granted, I got one of the last girls before closing!

I just don't understand why we hear so much about this place? What is so special? Is it cheap now, that's why? I've been to BKK over the years and had some of the most AMAZING experiences with soapy message. What is special about Thermae when there are 100 X other places which put this to shame IMHO? What am I missing?[/QUOTE]Maybe you are confusing Thermae with some other place? About 15 years ago Thermae was packed to the roof with lovely young girls in their twenties. OK, maybe not all of them were lovely but they were young anyway. If it ever was a famous place for the older-ish women then that must have been before my time.

There's nothing special (anymore) about Thermae. Nowadays the girls there are focused on Koreans and Japanese for the most part.

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2058036]I just don't understand why we hear so much about this place? What is so special? Is it cheap now, that's why? I've been to BKK over the years and had some of the most AMAZING experiences with soapy message. What is special about Thermae when there are 100 X other places which put this to shame IMHO? What am I missing?[/QUOTE]SteelBaton put this really well. An indoor market for streetwalkers.

The only reason I think Thermae gets talked up so much is because it represents the forbidden fruit. The doable women there prefer Asian customers and hardly make any eye contact with anyone else. And that touches a raw nerve of the male ego. It is something you want to conquer then. LMAO.

[QUOTE=CDirtyB;2057654]Buddy,

I went through my phone logs to find messages from Smooci and found her name. Her name was Kel.[/QUOTE]Oh thanks a lot, really!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2058205]SteelBaton put this really well. An indoor market for streetwalkers.

The only reason I think Thermae gets talked up so much is because it represents the forbidden fruit. The doable women there prefer Asian customers and hardly make any eye contact with anyone else. And that touches a raw nerve of the male ego. It is something you want to conquer then. LMAO.[/QUOTE]Each has his likes. I have been several times at Thermae and confess that I like the big choice there, although I agree that many are uninteresting (at least they behave so) and even fewer go with caucasians; However I always found one, I am, for sure not Apollon (, am 69, overweight but-I think I can say that- a nice guy which makes the girls confident. Smilng and kindness, non rush, some appreciate this.

I would propsoe at least two reasons for men liking this place: first, there are supposedly no LBs (this would be a disaster to me!) and second is that the girls look "girl nextdoor". So if, like me, you don't look for PSE, this is an interesting place. It would just be stupid to compare it with Soi Cowboy or soapies, it is just completely different. I alos agree that my own experience in bed with girls from Thermae wasnot particularly memorable. But it is "different".

As gannaton states it's all about your taste in girls. I prefer under 25 and ones who resemble Japanese or Korean girls. I have an Asian guy's taste. I find the older ISG members I have met prefer the more traditional Thai look with no surgery. If you like the latter thermae is not really your place. Yes the girls in the middle portion of the bar and along the wall closer to soi 15 are older but the ones along the back wall and wall closer to Nana are younger.

Wanderlust, last minute pickings at thermae are pretty weak. Definitely not the same calibre as 830 to 930. All girls hustling outside are ladyboys because they are not allowed in to thermae.

Hi all,

I have not been to BKK before, after reading some of the post in this thread, I immediately plan for a trip to BKK in few weeks time.

For this trip I would like to get all the hot girls especially FL, I can pay up to 10000 bath LT for a very hot girl /.

From what I read, for FL, below are the places I should check out. Can you guys provide some inputs for the best place for me to get model type FL? As I rarely have the chance to go to BKK.

- Thermae cafe (from previous post, seems like I must check out this place).

- Levels?

- Insanity?

- MIXX?

- Baccara (agogo bar).

Thanks so much guys!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2058229]As gannaton states it's all about your taste in girls. I prefer under 25 and ones who resemble Japanese or Korean girls. I have an Asian guy's taste. I find the older ISG members I have met prefer the more traditional Thai look with no surgery. If you like the latter thermae is not really your place. Yes the girls in the middle portion of the bar and along the wall closer to soi 15 are older but the ones along the back wall and wall closer to Nana are younger.

Wanderlust, last minute pickings at thermae are pretty weak. Definitely not the same calibre as 830 to 930. All girls hustling outside are ladyboys because they are not allowed in to thermae.[/QUOTE]Well, despite the feequent quite perfect girly-look of LBs, I can certify that not all FLs outside are LBs. What are the alternatives to Thermae? Out of night clubs with FLs, is there any other place today similar to Thermae?

Bro why are you generalizing a few Indians with an entire community. We are 1. 3 Billion and growing. To make this short if I am taking a girl back she is for me not to share amongst friends.

I mentioned this earlier as well, Indians generally travel in groups, we are spoilt and need wing men. We have already had drinks at our hotel which we would have purchased from duty free. (Not in my case, I will still open a bottle in the club, without a 2nd thought), we have the money but want to spend on the girl we are taking back, because we still have drink bottles at the hotel which will be offered to the girls as well.

If 3 guys take a girl, it does not mean all 3 will fuck her, it could also be they didn't get what they want and will go to another place, while the guy who is taking the girl heads back to the room.

I hope I have answered your question. And bro Indians do have huge pockets we just plan our spendings a little better.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2057199]No offense, but why do Indians go to a bar in a group and order just one beer to share among 3 people? And the same for women. Surely there is more to this than just perception alone?[/QUOTE]

The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. There still is a deaf group of girls that are most likely victims of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and a few barracudas (chicks that will give bad service). Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. I have been told be some former nice thai female freelancers that don't even like to venture to that area any more because its horrible. The demographic of male customer has changed as well from Westerner to Indians and Arabs. For your information the Therme pub is for Japanese clients only even though you still will be allowed in place. The cold shoulder you will receive as a Westerner is simply the girls trying to give you the message. Americans can find better P4P women in Latin America. Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.

[QUOTE=Globotto;2058406]Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.[/QUOTE]Do you feel current hobbying in Europe is as good as it was 15 years ago because I don't believe it's anywhere close.

If I were south Asian which I am not and a decent chap which I am I would be outraged at the discrimination I would find here.

Unfortunately this is what happens when a significant percentage of visitors from a particular country have a history and reputation of behaving badly.

Both bar owners and working girls just want to make a living and they couldn't give a rat's ass where you come from so blaming them for refusing entry or P4P service is not the answer.

Recognizing the need to adapt and change behavior on the part of those who gave rise to the problem is.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2058426]Do you feel current hobbying in Europe is as good as it was 15 years ago because I don't believe it's anywhere close.[/QUOTE]Hobbling in Spain is as good as its ever been. I am living here and although Thailand was my numbers one destination 10 years ago, I find it hard to drag myself away from Spain due to the variety and relatively low cost. I will always have a soft spot for Bangkok, but we have better looking Eastern European and Latin hookers for more or less the same price. Also, if I ever get an Asian itch I need to scratch, we have plenty Asian massage parlours all over the place. I now limit myself to one Bangkok vacation a year, and just hit the high end spots to feed my desires. Spasso, Lords, Mixx etc.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Globotto;2058406]The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. I have been told be some former nice thai female freelancers that don't even like to venture to that area any more because its horrible. The demographic of male customer has changed as well from Westerner to Indians and Arabs. For your information the Therme pub is for Japanese clients only even though you still will be allowed in place. The cold shoulder you will receive as a Westerner is simply the girls trying to give you the message. Americans can find better P4P women in Latin America. Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.[/QUOTE]I had a real good experience with no problems last week while staying at the Ruamchitt picked up 4 freelancers no problem and I'm a middle aged white American.

[QUOTE=Shakiraa;2058291]Hi all,

I have not been to BKK before, after reading some of the post in this thread, I immediately plan for a trip to BKK in few weeks time.

For this trip I would like to get all the hot girls especially FL, I can pay up to 10000 bath LT for a very hot girl /.

From what I read, for FL, below are the places I should check out. Can you guys provide some inputs for the best place for me to get model type FL? As I rarely have the chance to go to BKK.

- Thermae cafe (from previous post, seems like I must check out this place).

- Levels?

- Insanity?

- MIXX?

- Baccara (agogo bar).

Thanks so much guys![/QUOTE]Throw Pattaya into your search. Hit the little known beer bars in BKK. Taste a few along the way. You shouldn't have to pay 10000. I wound up with a absolutely stunning beauty, in my eyes, for 2300 a day (w / BF).

For some one who has asked 10 questions before including this. You should spend more time rtff.

If you claim to have read "some" of the posts in this thread. Go back and read more.

As far as I remember there have been posts about the clubs you are wanted more info in this forum not long ago.

Gain some more credibility by posting some reports.

G.

[QUOTE=Shakiraa;2058291]Hi all,

I have not been to BKK before, after reading some of the post in this thread, I immediately plan for a trip to BKK in few weeks time.

For this trip I would like to get all the hot girls especially FL, I can pay up to 10000 bath LT for a very hot girl /.

From what I read, for FL, below are the places I should check out. Can you guys provide some inputs for the best place for me to get model type FL? As I rarely have the chance to go to BKK.

- Thermae cafe (from previous post, seems like I must check out this place).

- Levels?

- Insanity?

- MIXX?

- Baccara (agogo bar).

Thanks so much guys![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2058128]Maybe you are confusing Thermae with some other place? About 15 years ago Thermae was packed to the roof with lovely young girls in their twenties. OK, maybe not all of them were lovely but they were young anyway. If it ever was a famous place for the older-ish women then that must have been before my time.

There's nothing special (anymore) about Thermae. Nowadays the girls there are focused on Koreans and Japanese for the most part.[/QUOTE]My early visits to Thermae were just wonderful. Starting 25 years ago. Girls were amateurs only part time hookers. They seemed pretty horny. First girl worked in a clothing shop. She had big tits and a great body and I liked her face too. She stayed the whole night 3 to 4 nights in a row. I would have kept going with her, however she had enough money and returned to the province.

2nd girl was a hotel cleaner. Lovely girl. I would have kept repeating her too. Had to leave Thailand at the time.

In the modern day, it is hard to find anything there to my taste that I can get, and hard to get a good GFE. Generally disappointing. So yes somewhat over rated. However it suits those who don't want to pay a barfine and make a decision quickly. I prefer to see the girl's body to know what I am getting at least for the looks.

No memorable experiences from Thermae in recent years. Largely a waste of time for me. I do much better with bargirls for natural looks and fun sessions. I can keep trying only up to a point. Somehow Japanese like the Thermae, but I don't quite know why. Maybe its a cheaper option for them.

Good Day fellow ISGs.

I am back in Bangkok for a little while, and while I will certainly do what I normally do in relation to massages, coyote girls etc, I was wondering if it is worth visiting any of the G-Clubs, such as Kush, Pimp, or Sherbet for example. I can certainly seeing going for entertainment reasons, which is absolutely fine, but am interested about prospects to leave for a ST or LT with one of the hostesses. I have read some threads on this subject off of ISG, but they are all out of date, so looking for a more current opinion.

Clearly I will endeavor to share my experiences as they arise, am definitely going to try some other soapies on this occasion, and plan to hire at least one escort from BangkokGoldenEscorts which appears to be the most professional from my readings on *** so far.

As gannaton states it's all about your taste in girls. I prefer under 25 and ones who resemble Japanese or Korean girls. I have an Asian guy's taste. I find the older ISG members I have met prefer the more traditional Thai look with no surgery. If you like the latter thermae is not really your place. Yes the girls in the middle portion of the bar and along the wall closer to soi 15 are older but the ones along the back wall and wall closer to Nana are younger.

Wanderlust, last minute pickings at thermae are pretty weak. Definitely not the same calibre as 830 to 930. All girls hustling outside are ladyboys because they are not allowed in to thermae.

Yes, Your observations are absolutely right. However like to state that I could always at least 6 times and last was in Dec 2016 took a girl from here and for LT though some have preference for ST. Though I am not Japanese. Plus point is there is a good selection available. So you can definitely pick up from Thermae, yes they at bit costly.

[QUOTE=SearcherMan;2057972]Left Pattaya to BKK for my last 5 nights in Thailand. Made a pass through the MP zone around Phrom Phong BTS station last night. In the previous 2 weeks, I had 3 hot sessions before I found a solid 9/10 GFE steady in Pattaya. She will meet me in BKK to round out my last 2 days. So I was pretty sated and jaded when I set out. Unlike last time cruising around Soi 24 Sukhumvit, I didn't luck into an awesome MILF hottie to break my 5 year sexual fast. I started hitting them at 9:30. Addict had an unimpressive lineup, as did Snow White, and Orient, (previous hottie not seen out front). Some had very few available, or a horde of men just walked in before me, and I didn't want to hassle the inevitable shrinking of the talent pool. Only Club 102 had a good lineup where a late 30's MILF gave me a smile of inevitably banging me brainless. But when the European proprietor handed me the price list, I declined and left. It was the highest prices I saw there. I assume it means we get everything w / o much tipping, as opposed to Snow White where the prices were 1/3 of Club 102. I wasn't horny enough, and too picky to take a chance on the price. Is Club 102 worth it, assuming that hottie I saw there is still available?

I then walked to Nana Plaza. The bars were closed, but the FL's were out. A lot of trans, run down looking older and young women, and overly made up snow queens. If I had the time, horniness, and extra bucks for a ST room, I'd comb through the bevy of African women I saw there, and pick a jewel.

I'll go back to Soi 24 tonight.[/QUOTE]I have only had very good experiences at Club 102. I like their type of girls. 2600 Bath is expensive? Well, considering the great quality and cleanlinessof the rooms and the service, it is far better than many oilies or FLs. Provided you find a girl you like. Great place.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2058554]I have only had very good experiences at Club 102. I like their type of girls. 2600 Bath is expensive? Well, considering the great quality and cleanlinessof the rooms and the service, it is far better than many oilies or FLs. Provided you find a girl you like. Great place.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I'm willing to pay for that given the quality of their women and your recommendation.

[QUOTE=Globotto;2058406]The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. There still is a deaf group of girls that are most likely victims of CodeWord908 and a few barracudas (chicks that will give bad service). Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. [/QUOTE]I agree it's not easy anymore to find a decent looking girl in the streets these days but that doesn't mean the freelance scene is not good anymore. It has been said a lot of times already on this board: a lot of freelancers have moved (are still moving) to the internet. With some time and effort apps like WeChat can be very very rewarding.

Times have changed and there's nothing you can do about it. So the best you can do is to hop on the new train and see where it gets you. You won't be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Kar2692;2058398]Bro why are you generalizing a few Indians with an entire community. We are 1. 3 Billion and growing. To make this short if I am taking a girl back she is for me not to share amongst friends.

I mentioned this earlier as well, Indians generally travel in groups, we are spoilt and need wing men. We have already had drinks at our hotel which we would have purchased from duty free. (Not in my case, I will still open a bottle in the club, without a 2nd thought), we have the money but want to spend on the girl we are taking back, because we still have drink bottles at the hotel which will be offered to the girls as well.

If 3 guys take a girl, it does not mean all 3 will fuck her, it could also be they didn't get what they want and will go to another place, while the guy who is taking the girl heads back to the room.

I hope I have answered your question. And bro Indians do have huge pockets we just plan our spendings a little better.[/QUOTE]Don't shoot the messenger mate. I am simply quoting what I have heard from girls themselves and from mamasans and bartenders and bar owners.

I am fully aware of India's vast population and growing economic prowess, I agree that one should not generalize. But when 7 in 10 start behaving in a certain way, that is exactly what will happen.

P.S. - I am not your Bro.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2058593]that doesn't mean the freelance scene is not good anymore. It has been said a lot of times already on this board: a lot of freelancers have moved (are still moving) to the internet.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call anything on the internet a "freelancer scene". Sure, some of the internet girls are independent (no agency / pimp). Maybe they are technically speaking freelancers (though you could argue the internet itself is the intermediary instead of mamasan / bar / brothel), but the mode of operation, overall experience of finding one and even actual session dynamics are so different than with streetwalkers / freelancer bars that it's better not to confuse the two scenes.

Landed around 11 PM, went directly to Soi Cowboy after checking in. Considering the late Friday night I was in no mood to try other GoGos.

I was asked to show an identification card at the entrance of CH, don't know why but I don't look like a teenager. Ordered a beer and the night started.

#26.

As a senior ISG member suggested, this lady was my first bet. This lady was all around in the stage spreading her vibes. There were 2 groups (Jap+European I guess) lurking on her. I didn't have time so just bought her a LD (now-a-days the they don't allow single LDs, just want to suck customer's pocket) and she was with me in 5 minutes after completion of her stage round. Asked for LT straight away and her rate was 5 k+700 BF, which I agreed instantly. She informed and went with the mamasan. She was back in 5 minutes and demanded to pay upfront even before even leaving the premises! This was the worst I expected and immediately refused her politely mentioned a bad experience with a Baccara girl before when I paid upfront. I encountered her with 50% payment upfront and the rest in the morning but she was in no mood for that. I knew when the starting was not good the experience for the night would be in risk, thus asked her to join the stage.

Observed her going out after an hour, don't know she found a customer or what.

#1.

The lady was completely drunk with a beautiful face. Spoke with her for few minutes, touched the assets but let her go when she asked for LD. Didn't like the way she asked for a LD and the overall experience.

#46 or #48 (Don't remember the exact number).

She was standing besides me for some time thus had a quick little chat with her. Nice petite lady with unshaven pussy, in her early 20's I'm sure. She said she is from Chiang Mai and just recently started working. While talking to me she was looking around all the time which was a very negative point in a potential girl. Very soon she asked for a LD and I passed.

Went upstairs to look for some action, but all the girls were occupied with Japs / Koreans except the few ugly one's. I feel the up-stair of CH is utter useless in terms of talent unless you are there to spend some naughty time with your girl. Very soon I was back to downstairs.

It was already 1 o'clock and getting a LT girl was becoming very difficult!

#152.

Asked the mamasan to call her, upon checking the mamasan said she would come only if I BF her. What a joke! They expect to BF a lady without even talking. Anyway I told the mamasan to call her and I'll definitely BF her but after talking a while. She was with me soon, spoke over and her offer was ST 3 k. I encountered with 5 k LT to which she denied, even tried stretching to 5.5 k but she at all was not ready for LT. Let her go after feeling the nice grown up natural assets.

It was 2 o'clock and I directly asked mamasan to check with few girls I liked for LT, all of them denied for LT. By this time most of the girls I've seen on stage while entering at 11 o'clock were gone and replaced with new ST only girls I believe. I left around 2:30, still there were girls standing outside Suzie Wong and some other clubs but I called it a night thinking booking a lady from Smooci.

In short my experience at CH:

1 - The establishment tries to rip off their customers in the name of double LDs, tips and all other means of doing it.

2 - Early in the evening the one can find ladies on stage who are ready for LT / ST both for a not so rip off price. But as the night passes on after 1 o'clock it becomes real hard to find a girl willing to go LT.

3 - Be careful with some LD hopper girls, I was an old western guy being ripped of by 2 ladies in the name of LDs. Soon after he bought for them they simply left him.

4 - If you find a girl and want to enjoy some more time in private, go upstairs.

5 - They should reduce the music volume at least by 50%.

6 - If you want to have a free chat and feel of girls even without buying a LD, seat the closest seat available at the corner of the bar counter. Once the stage round is over girls would come there and you can have a quick chat with them.

In my 3 hours over there I saw few Westerners, Asians, Indians, Blacks almost all races, so honestly I don't think they only allow some specific races to their establishment. It all depends on how you look, your dress and most importantly how you present yourself. Just wanted to bring this point since some earlier reports mentioned the club being racists to certain races.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2058914]I wouldn't call anything on the internet a "freelancer scene". Sure, some of the internet girls are independent (no agency / pimp). Maybe they are technically speaking freelancers (though you could argue the internet itself is the intermediary instead of mamasan / bar / brothel), but the mode of operation, overall experience of finding one and even actual session dynamics are so different than with streetwalkers / freelancer bars that it's better not to confuse the two scenes.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't call anything on the internet a freelancer scene? I would say the independent girls are definitely freelancers, what else would they be?
Yes, the two scenes are different. Although I don't quite understand what you mean with 'even actual session dynamics are so different'.

Anyway I think quite a lot of girls that used to go to the freelancer bars or the Nana Plaza parking lot for example, or to Beach Road in Pattaya, don't go there anymore because it's so much easier to find customers on the internet. Especially for girls with a regular job. And some of them still go there but not as often as before, so the two scenes are partially mixed up.
And of course there's a whole new generation that never even went to places like that and have started a P4 P career on the internet. Last week I found a lovely 23 yo hair dresser on WeChat who lives somewhere in the outskirts of Bangkok. She had one of the best pussies I have ever felt in my life, but now I'm digressing LOL.

And in the last couple of days here in Pattaya, where I am now, I had sessions with a very cute and sweet 19 yo, a less cute but very horny 33 yo MILF and a skinny shy 24 yo nurse. All found through WeChat.

[QUOTE=Globotto;2058406]The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. There still is a deaf group of girls that are most likely victims of (yeah, yeah, whatever Code Words) and a few barracudas (chicks that will give bad service). Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. I have been told be some former nice thai female freelancers that don't even like to venture to that area any more because its horrible. The demographic of male customer has changed as well from Westerner to Indians and Arabs. For your information the Therme pub is for Japanese clients only even though you still will be allowed in place. The cold shoulder you will receive as a Westerner is simply the girls trying to give you the message. Americans can find better P4P women in Latin America. Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.[/QUOTE]I agree with your observations about the freelancer scene naturally changing in accordance with the change in the customer base. To be blunt and, I know, very politically incorrect, it just isn't likely that the Thai sensibilities and prejudices would lead to a pairing up of younger, better looking female freelancers with Indian and Arab customers. As more Indian and Arab customers move into an area, more of the younger, better looking Thai girls will move out and find customers somewhere else or in some other way. Or they just won't set up shop here at all. And not just the freelancers but the go-go dancers and massage shop girls, too. But as much as that has changed the typical freelancer line up in Bangkok, it is nothing compared with how it has changed it in Pattaya, imo.

However, I can't agree with you about Thermae. Thermae is not "for Japanese clients only. " Not by a long shot. I can assure you I or any of my other 60-ish year old Caucasian friends could cruise through Thermae tonight and within 2-3 minutes get an above average freelancer to go ST with him for the going rate.

Read on stickman that Bangkok bunnies has quit charging a barfine, you just negotiate with the girl and walk out with her after making a deal. Anyone have any first hand experience with this new policy?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2059052]Read on stickman that Bangkok bunnies has quit charging a barfine, you just negotiate with the girl and walk out with her after making a deal. Anyone have any first hand experience with this new policy?[/QUOTE]Yes, I went in there Monday night about 11:30 PM to check it out and two girls I bought lady drinks for each asked me to "Pay bar" for them. Knowing about this supposed new deal but wanting to see how it works in the real world, I asked how much the barfine was. They each said, "700 baht". Could be the girls are playing on the fact that there is no obvious sign or indication of this supposed No Barfine policy going on other than what some of us on these message boards and those who read Stickman have heard about it and they are just pocketing an extra 700 baht the bar is no longer collecting. Anything is possible if the place doesn't make sure every customer has been made aware of it and, more importantly, that every girl knows every customer has been made aware of it. Just like any other supposed "customer benefit". Unless the girls know the customers are informed about it, all kinds of mischief and scams can and will ensue.

I paid my drink bill and left. Went to another Nana go-go bar, paid the barfine and took a girl just like always. If there is a new No Barfine policy at Bangkok Bunnies, somebody needs to inform the girls about it and, as I said above, it is even more important that the girls know the customers are all aware of it. There are a ton of reasons why these things must be put right in the faces of the customers and making sure the girls suspect every customer would know about it so they don't bother trying to pull a scam is one of them. I really didn't feel like doing their job for them by asking around to this or that mamasan.

If these are the policies of Bangkok Bunnies, and I applaud them if they are, then how about a nice big sign next to the doorway that says something like, "NO COYOTES! ALL REAL GIRLS! NO BARFINE!"? Or is that too much of a bother and too complicated for the proprietors who expect to draw customers in on this deal to do and, after all, nobody reads manuals and all of that? lol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2059076]If these are the policies of Bangkok Bunnies, and I applaud them if they are, then how about a nice big sign next to the doorway that says something like, "NO COYOTES! ALL REAL GIRLS! NO BARFINE!"? Or is that too much of a bother and too complicated for the proprietors who expect to draw customers in on this deal to do and, after all, nobody reads manuals and all of that? lol.[/QUOTE]I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2059110]I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?[/QUOTE]I think that is likely, too. But the two girls I interacted with on Monday night were still talking "Pay bar" and "the barfine is 700 baht". So if the owners/managers of Bangkok Bunnies want to place a buffer of protection between them and the law or let's say the new leadership's idea of what is acceptable, they weren't doing a very good job of it on the first night of the effort.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2059110]I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?[/QUOTE]In São Paulo MP you pay the venue for room.

Then you pay the girl in cash.

This way the establishment is clean and not pimping.

In the past you paid room and girl altogether at reception and with credit cards if you wished so.

In philpinnes the "bar fine" includes also the girl rate. The tip t the girl is really a (small) top if you wish so.

In Singapore OT the lady drinks are rewarded to the girls through stamps, in the past they had a sort of chargeable card.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2059132]I think that is likely, too. But the two girls I interacted with on Monday night were still talking "Pay bar" and "the barfine is 700 baht". So if the owners/managers of Bangkok Bunnies want to place a buffer of protection between them and the law or let's say the new leadership's idea of what is acceptable, they weren't doing a very good job of it on the first night of the effort.[/QUOTE]The girls maybe tried their own scam.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059157]
In philpinnes the "bar fine" includes also the girl rate. The tip t the girl is really a (small) top if you wish so.[/QUOTE]This may still be true in AC although it is changing rapidly.

But the price structure in Manila is almost exactly the same as it is in BKK Go Go's only the Manila Go Go barfine is so large that it can equal what the girls want for ST. For example, Burgos Bars charge a barfine ranging from 1900 pesos ($38) at Rogues (the cheapest) to 3900 pesos ($77) at Bottoms and no girl can leave the bar until the customer pays the barfine. Now it used to be that the Burgos barfine was 10 lady drinks which meant exactly that ie there were no additional charges on top of the barfine for up to 10 lady drinks. The customer's drinks, however, were and are always fully charged. But since January 2016, the Burgos bars are now charging for lady drinks on top of the barfine unless the customer negotiates directly with a mamasan before anything begins or is a regular at the bar. Usually when the subject is brought up in a friendly way, the mamasan will agree to take subsequent lady drinks off the tab as long as the customer ends up barfining the girl, but if the customer does not pre-negotiate this, then it can be too bad for him. LOL. Burgos girls then expect to be paid for their services after the deed an amount similar to the barfine of their particular establishment. For example, Rogues girls will usually want 2500 pesos ($50) for ST while Kojax and Bottoms girls want 4000 pesos ($79) for ST.

The other Manila Go Go playground is the EDSA Entertainment Complex which is kind of like Nana with the bars all under one roof. EDSA is the same deal as Burgos only with a generally cheaper barfine, but lady drinks are extra. The barfine at Firehouse and Cotton Club for example is 1950 pesos ($38.5) and again it must be paid before the girls are allowed to leave the bar. EDSA girls usually expect 3500 pesos to 4000 pesos for their ST. Services paid to them afterwards in the hotel room.

To summarize: a girl and a night out in Bottoms or Kojax, the two best Go Go's on Burgos Street will run you $157 total (barfine + ST), plus whatever you drink tab comes to. A girl and a night out at the Cotton Club in EDSA will run your $117 (barfine + ST) plus whatever your drink tab & the girl's drink tab comes to. There are no free lady drinks at EDSA that I know of. This is why so many punters head to AC as soon as they arrive in the PI. But I will say this: IMHO Manila girls are far better looking and much more sophisticated (in a very good way) than their AC cousins. The choice is up to the consumer as per always.

So which town do I prefer, BKK or Manila? BKK, but only because there is much more to do when not mongering, more venues to choose from when mongering, it is relatively safer, and the food is much better in BKK. As far as the girls go, it is a close call, I like them both, but Manila girls are just a little bit more fun and they parlez English good. A quick comparison: I think I am on record as being a pretty satisfied regular at Crazy House in BKK since it opened a couple of years ago and I have had some pretty raucus good times INSIDE CH with some of my girls especially later at night on the 2nd floor when everybody has had plenty of Tequila shots. BUT, as wild as those nights have been and I look forward to many more of them, they pale in comparison to the wild nights I have had INSIDE Bottoms Bar in Makati with 3 Filipinas blowing me at the same time. They Pale!

Just wanted to introduce myself. I've been following the European threads for months too get intel so I just registered to start giving back. I have been in Thailand for 15 yrs now. Lived in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui and Koh Tao. I'll try and be active here to add input and answer questions.

Seems Thermae is getting a lot of talk this week so I will add my 2 cents. Last girl I took out of Thermae was about 7 yrs ago. She was really sweet, about a 7-8. Didn't dress / make-up / hair like a lot of them do to attract the Asian men. I thought this was maybe a signal, well it worked for me. Got her home and undressed for shower and BAM! Full Bush! Hadn't seen that much hair down there in ages. Not my style, but a real turn on for a change of pace. I still stop in there sometimes on my walk home from Cowboy. 1 maybe 2 yrs ago I was in there having a beer around midnight, just checking the scene. I western guy was drinking a beer across from me. He stepped over to a 9 sh girl who I thought was going to completely ignore him. They chatted for 1 min tops. The guy leaves the bar. Then I see the same girl going out the back entrance. I knew something was up so I went out front and sure enough the girl comes walking out the Raumchit hotel door and gets into a taxi with him. After telling this story to friends we have concluded that some of the girls might not want to be seen leaving with the farang but are still willing go with them 'in secret'. Maybe they don't want potential Asian clients or even other girls to see them leave with the farang guy. Try it out. Might work for you.

And finally, had a great time with Pat from SW on Soi Cowboy last week. 2.5 k ST 600 BF and 2 LD. 20 yrs old, big naturals. She's been working there for a year and I haven't talked to her. Just goes to show, there are always surprises in Bangkok.

Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059196]Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?[/QUOTE]Just heard it re-opened under a different name. Don't remember what it is. Haven't been by there to see what the scene is like now as I'm out of town.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059158]The girls maybe tried their own scam.[/QUOTE]Have to wonder if the new policy is to reduce liability for the club owners. No barfine but a higher rate that includes the kickback.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2058638]Don't shoot the messenger mate. I am simply quoting what I have heard from girls themselves and from mamasans and bartenders and bar owners.

I am fully aware of India's vast population and growing economic prowess, I agree that one should not generalize. But when 7 in 10 start behaving in a certain way, that is exactly what will happen.

P.S. - I am not your Bro.[/QUOTE]Now where did you get that statistic of 7 out of 10?

Utterly disgusting generalization dude.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2059244]Have to wonder if the new policy is to reduce liability for the club owners. No barfine but a higher rate that includes the kickback.[/QUOTE]Maybe less house pay for the ladies since they are not selling bar fines anymore? And maybe less pressure for them to agree to be taken out just to meet a monthly quota?

Bangkok Bunnies posted on Twitter today that the ladies that were quoting bar fines on Monday night were spoken to (given a final warning.) As of now there are no bar fines to take a lady away, and no drink minimums. I hope their new business model succeeds. IMO the 5 decades old "gogo" business model is dying under its own weight.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2059275]Maybe less house pay for the ladies since they are not selling bar fines anymore? And maybe less pressure for them to agree to be taken out just to meet a monthly quota?

Bangkok Bunnies posted on Twitter today that the ladies that were quoting bar fines on Monday night were spoken to (given a final warning.) As of now there are no bar fines to take a lady away, and no drink minimums. I hope their new business model succeeds. IMO the 5 decades old "gogo" business model is dying under its own weight.

SL.[/QUOTE]Agreed! It has gotten way to expensive to take a GoGo gal. Most Gogos are not doing well business wise. A select few like CH and Bac are, but the rest are struggling. Take the BF away and 2 k to 2. 5 k is not that bad for ST. I would certainly get back in the game. Bunnies will do well and drink sales will probably go up and way offset what they will lose in BFs. Hopefully all the bars will have to follow suit. And you are right; it could revitalize the industry.

[QUOTE=BkkBadBoy;2059191]Seems Thermae is getting a lot of talk this week so I will add my 2 cents. Last girl I took out of Thermae was about 7 yrs ago. She was really sweet, about a 7-8. Didn't dress / make-up / hair like a lot of them do to attract the Asian men. I thought this was maybe a signal, well it worked for me. Got her home and undressed for shower and BAM! Full Bush! Hadn't seen that much hair down there in ages. Not my style, but a real turn on for a change of pace. I still stop in there sometimes on my walk home from Cowboy. 1 maybe 2 yrs ago I was in there having a beer around midnight, just checking the scene. I western guy was drinking a beer across from me. He stepped over to a 9 sh girl who I thought was going to completely ignore him. They chatted for 1 min tops. The guy leaves the bar. Then I see the same girl going out the back entrance. I knew something was up so I went out front and sure enough the girl comes walking out the Raumchit hotel door and gets into a taxi with him. After telling this story to friends we have concluded that some of the girls might not want to be seen leaving with the farang but are still willing go with them 'in secret'. Maybe they don't want potential Asian clients or even other girls to see them leave with the farang guy. Try it out. Might work for you.[/QUOTE]Had a friend who had a similar arrangement with a Tmae gal about that time. She would meet him at the back entrance after he left through the front door. And yes, she did not want the Asian customers or her friends to see her leaving with a white dude. I really miss early '00's Thermae before the Siam City Hotel closed and it became and Asian oriented bar. It really was the best place in BKK. I was there at least 3 nights a week. Took more gals out of there than any other place in SE Asia. Sadly we are the minority in the P4 P scene now and will never be the majority again.

I think we should all support Bangkok bunnies for this effort in changing things. Let's at least go in to get a drink when we're in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2059304]I think we should all support Bangkok bunnies for this effort in changing things. Let's at least go in to get a drink when we're in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I'll be going there for a drink and ST / LT price check as soon as I get home. First I've heard of this.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2059275]Bangkok Bunnies posted on Twitter today that the ladies that were quoting bar fines on Monday night were spoken to (given a final warning)

SL.[/QUOTE]I am not on Twitter and have not read that tweet about it, but it sounds as though some girls swung into immediate action to try to work a little personal scam into the new deal even on day one ("given a final warning"?)

Proprietors and promoters of these supposed "customer benefits", whether they are rating systems for P4 P girls' services, Happy Hour pricing, this new No Barfine policy or whatever, rarely seem to understand the value of making every customer aware of it by putting it right in their faces isn't just about making the customers aware of it. There will always be customers who don't see the sign, don't bother reading the info, can't read the info, choose to ignore it and all of that. The often more important aspect of putting the info right in the faces of the customers, God and everyone else is to avoid inviting and to instead discourage the girls and staff from playing on the customers' assumed ignorance about the offering in order to game it for their own purposes until it is no longer a customer "benefit" at all but a customer setback and turn off.

On Monday night, I WANTED to support Bangkok Bunnies for this effort to change things in this way by showing up, buying drinks, buying Lady Drinks, taking a lady. On day one. But the proprietors and management dropped the ball and apparently had no idea or didn't care that there would be girls out to scam their customers on their new "customer benefit" offering. Putting a big sign stating the deal right there for all to see, especially for the girls to know that every customer can see it, would have been a blissfully simple solution. But they couldn't be bothered and that was too complicated, I guess. LOL.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2059258]Now where did you get that statistic of 7 out of 10?

Utterly disgusting generalization dude.[/QUOTE]7 out of 10 girls I have been with told me this. What do you want now? Their digits? LOL.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059196]Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?[/QUOTE]Yes it did reopen in March if I remember correctly, but this is not anymore a live band venue, it's a big bar with a lot of pool tables. It appeared very glum and empty every time I passed to take a look.

GK.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2059304]I think we should all support Bangkok bunnies for this effort in changing things. Let's at least go in to get a drink when we're in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]If the prices the girls quote for ST and LT stay the same and other Nana gogo's follow suite this will surely draw more guys to Nana vs Cowboy and Patpong. Pattaya gogo pricing will seem steep in comparison. If the club puts "no barfine charge ever" on each tab that would get it accross much quicker than twitter. Whatever the reason for this decision it sure makes the club stand out.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2059286]Agreed! It has gotten way to expensive to take a GoGo gal. Most Gogos are not doing well business wise. A select few like CH and Bac are, but the rest are struggling. Take the BF away and 2 k to 2. 5 k is not that bad for ST. I would certainly get back in the game. Bunnies will do well and drink sales will probably go up and way offset what they will lose in BFs. Hopefully all the bars will have to follow suit. And you are right; it could revitalize the industry.[/QUOTE]As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.

In saying that I don't mean to make out that I am so rich guy or anything, just that I did my own assessment having recently discovered the wonder of Thailand and concluded that I don't have any issue with the current pricing structure of GoGo bars.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059444]As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.

In saying that I don't mean to make out that I am so rich guy or anything, just that I did my own assessment having recently discovered the wonder of Thailand and concluded that I don't have any issue with the current pricing structure of GoGo bars.[/QUOTE]Wages in Thailand have not increased that much. How do I know? I live here, have or almost 2 decades, and had a company here. Median salary is more, but not that much more. Cost of living is more, but not that more. Double what it was in '00, certainly. 4 times more. Hardly. What I do believe is that non-P4P jobs now pay enough to keep most gals out of the industry and if they are moonlighting they do it online and not in venues as it is more discreet, preferring local guys to foreigners as well. Gogo prices are unreasonable in not just the number but the services delivered. As the price has increased the level of service has for the most part decreased.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059444]As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.

[/QUOTE]Good observation if the girls were all nuns and saved every penny they made. But the truth is many are drug addicts, spend their money faster than they make it, get busted by the police on the way to meet their clients at night and must pay a bribe, give out their hard earned cash to friends who are in need (with the thinking that what goes around comes around) and many other spending habits that result in them having little money left to pay rent. I was told high season wasn't very good to the girls and many are living day to day with a harsh slow season. Money is money, nobody with money will be blacklisted anywhere in Thailand.

Goatscrot is correct, online is the new business model. Smooci dot com is one of them, I know line, whatsapp and skout are also popular apps. But be warned, these girls take thousands of selfies and know how to make themselves look good. My buddy met his girl and she tried to get him to do a threesome with her friend. The friend was butt ugly, couldn't get a guy until she managed to snag one online.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059196]Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?[/QUOTE]Bangkok Beat 7/1 Soi is now an eating establishment. And yes it has pool tables and a bar. But not many customers. The Beat was always packed and had to be a money maker. Why they closed and renovated into a restaurant is crazy. I thought they had the best music and bands in Bkk.

RL.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059444]As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit[/QUOTE]So much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:

US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?

The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.

The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.

I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.

SL.

Is there another bar similar to Bangkok Beat around the Soi7/1 area?

I had some great nights in there, without breaking the bank as well, when I was going to the toilet once a girl stopped me with the "Remember Me?

She actually did, giving me the details where I was staying before etc. That was it, I was toast.

I like the freelancer / live music bars, just reminded me there was Country Road down the tunnel and once again I had some good times at Country Road, Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2059649]So much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:

US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?

The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.

The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.

I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.

SL.[/QUOTE]Yes down about 75% to thai people. 15 years ago 100 USD bought a lot more overseas than or does now. Thailand does not have static wages. People won't work for peanuts like in the USA.

Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k, more than meant Americans earn ! Asia is growing the tide is turning.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059680]Yes down about 75% to thai people. 15 years ago 100 USD bought a lot more overseas than or does now. Thailand does not have static wages. People won't work for peanuts like in the USA.

Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k, more than meant Americans earn ! Asia is growing the tide is turning.[/QUOTE]There are very few Thai people earning 120 k. One look at any site on salaries will tell you that. Yes, average starting wage is not longer 8 k, but Thais still hit a ceiling very quickly. Average salaries for in the US are higher. And people will work for peanuts here compared to the US. Driving factor in Bangkok is not labor cost; it's commercial rents, which are completely out of control especially when compared to residential rents. But, yes you are correct about the dollar, and it is more expensive for Americans, but that has little to do with salaries and more to do with the weakness of the dollar which was 40+ when I moved over. As stated before, it is double the cost to live here in comparison to 20 years ago. If the Baht was still over 40, then that multiple would be less.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2059649]So much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:

US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?

The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.

The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.

I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.

SL.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Accurate assessment of the situation here.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2059707]There are very few Thai people earning 120 k. One look at any site on salaries will tell you that. Yes, average starting wage is not longer 8 k, but Thais still hit a ceiling very quickly. Average salaries for in the US are higher. And people will work for peanuts here compared to the US. Driving factor in Bangkok is not labor cost; it's commercial rents, which are completely out of control especially when compared to residential rents. But, yes you are correct about the dollar, and it is more expensive for Americans, but that has little to do with salaries and more to do with the weakness of the dollar which was 40+ when I moved over. As stated before, it is double the cost to live here in comparison to 20 years ago. If the Baht was still over 40, then that multiple would be less.[/QUOTE]Girls don't fuck dirty old men to earn a wage they could get working as a cashier. No offense but can this forum seriously not grasp the concept of opportunity cosy and compound interest? Thai wages on average increased by 5. 8% a year which means rates for girls need to go up by be atleast that much or girls will start to do something else as being a hooker seems less and less attractive. That is why you only see ugly dogs on soi 6. All I'm saying is the rates in gogo for the hot young ones are not unreasonable given the costs in thailand.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059746]GAll I'm saying is the rates in gogo for the hot young ones are not unreasonable given the costs in thailand.[/QUOTE]3500 baht (including bar fine) for ST doesn't sound all that reasonable for a Thai girl to me given that I can have a hot European chick with amazing service for only 100 Euros for ST in Germany (or for just 50 Euros for half hour if I want to merely audition the girl). Granted LT is a different story, but for ST, it just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all that Thai girls are charging almost as much as Western girls in the P4 P capital of Europe. I mean, it used to be that Thai girls were way cheaper than Western girls for ST, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least as far as the hotter gogo girls are concerned.

Depends on your tastes. Imo talent in FKK land was very weak for my 2 week trip there in May. I'll take one of my top gogo girls, some of which are half euro half Thai, over the girls I saw in Germany recently. Germany is not the same as it was 4 or 5 years ago. Lots of average girls. You're also assuming st with a gogo girl is 1 hour which it definitely isn't if you are fun to hang out with.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2059649]The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.

I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.

SL.[/QUOTE]The minimum wage is 300 baht not the average wage. In reality the 300 baht minimum operates outside Bangkok, within the city it is closer to 400, still incredible low.

On average a masseuse not delivering special service clocking up 80 to 100 hours can expect with tips around 15000 a month. With specials depending on her own popularity and the popularity of the shop her earnings will be 25000 up. Some so called star performers are in the 100,000 plus league.

On what you pay for service here and whether it is good value and competitive with other countries in my opinion yes it is. That said if you use go go's or Hi end clubs to find your partner you are paying way more than you have to but even at 3500 for a good looking young go go girl who delivers on service that's still not outrageously expensive and no I am not an economist. Hope your headache is better.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2059750]3500 baht (including bar fine) for ST doesn't sound all that reasonable for a Thai girl to me given that I can have a hot European chick with amazing service for only 100 Euros for ST in Germany (or for just 50 Euros for half hour if I want to merely audition the girl). Granted LT is a different story, but for ST, it just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all that Thai girls are charging almost as much as Western girls in the P4 P capital of Europe. I mean, it used to be that Thai girls were way cheaper than Western girls for ST, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least as far as the hotter gogo girls are concerned.[/QUOTE]Well I'm not racist so all that matters to me in market rates; not race.

ST is about 2 hours and includes CIM. On my last trip the FKK clubs were "meh". Thai girls are softer, sweeter and give better service and are more girl next door types. Like how Samya used to be but better.

Try getting BBBJ CIM 2 hour OUTCALL off a western girl for under $100.

I'll enjoy my thai princesses at market rates thanks very much and they are little sweet hearts; my heart melts.

If you think you can get equally attractive ladies cheaper; please tell what what platform? Was not impressed with smooci.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059746]Girls don't fuck dirty old men to earn a wage they could get working as a cashier. No offense but can this forum seriously not grasp the concept of opportunity cosy and compound interest? Thai wages on average increased by 5. 8% a year which means rates for girls need to go up by be atleast that much or girls will start to do something else as being a hooker seems less and less attractive. That is why you only see ugly dogs on soi 6. All I'm saying is the rates in gogo for the hot young ones are not unreasonable given the costs in thailand.[/QUOTE]And as was pointed out to you cashiers are making about 300-500 Baht a day. That's it. For an eight hour plus shift. In 2008 the average wage in BKK was a little over 8 k. Now it is about 13.5 k and had fallen a bit recently. It has doubled since 2001 when the average wage was a little over 6 k. So yes, a GoGo gal who gets 3500 Baht a pop is making way above what most Thai MBAs make presently, so the cashier reference just does not hold water. Even at 2000 Baht a pop they are making out like bandits for very little time and effort. Sorry, they are not going to go work as a cashier for 500 Baht a day. Prices for P4 P in Thailand are way out of whack when you look at what folks earn. Sorry, but that is the truth. Compare with places like Travel in Jakarta where ST is the equivalent of 1 k Baht and attitudes are far better. Mainly due to fishing in the same pond as demanding locals. Here the "market" is determined mainly by two week millionaires not residents. Especially in the GoGos. Cowboy used to be an expat haunt. Not anymore. Now, it's Disneyland, with Disneyland prices and all that goes along with it. So no, it has very little to do with the local economy. If you will notice prices at Soapies, which cater to a lot of locals, has not changed much at all in the last 15 years. There you have your answer.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2059790]And as was pointed out to you cashiers are making about 300-500 Baht a day. That's it. For an eight hour plus shift. In 2008 the average wage in BKK was a little over 8 k. Now it is about 13.5 k and had fallen a bit recently. It has doubled since 2001 when the average wage was a little over 6 k. So yes, a GoGo gal who gets 3500 Baht a pop is making way above what most Thai MBAs make presently, so the cashier reference just does not hold water. Even at 2000 Baht a pop they are making out like bandits for very little time and effort. Sorry, they are not going to go work as a cashier for 500 Baht a day. Prices for P4 P in Thailand are way out of whack when you look at what folks earn. Sorry, but that is the truth. Compare with places like Travel in Jakarta where ST is the equivalent of 1 k Baht and attitudes are far better. Mainly due to fishing in the same pond as demanding locals. Here the "market" is determined mainly by two week millionaires not residents. Especially in the GoGos. Cowboy used to be an expat haunt. Not anymore. Now, it's Disneyland, with Disneyland prices and all that goes along with it. So no, it has very little to do with the local economy. If you will notice prices at Soapies, which cater to a lot of locals, has not changed much at all in the last 15 years. There you have your answer.[/QUOTE]My Girlfriend works for the Thai government and makes 70,000 a month. $69.00 a day which is not bad. But she has her masters and is a government officer. Makes all the difference.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2059797]My Girlfriend works for the Thai government and makes 70,000 a month. $69.00 a day which is not bad. But she has her masters and is a government officer. Makes all the difference.

RL.[/QUOTE]Which is more than a lot of Americans make.

I guess I just see the girls as fellow humans rather than slaves. Sure; I will treat them like a piece of meat in the bedroom but after that I have nothing but respect and would hate to see them make only 1. 5 k for a night of getting fucked hard by an ugly old man.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059680]Yes down about 75% to thai people. 15 years ago 100 USD bought a lot more overseas than or does now. Thailand does not have static wages. People won't work for peanuts like in the USA.

Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k, more than meant Americans earn ! Asia is growing the tide is turning.[/QUOTE]Thailand is a developing nation, prices are rising faster than inflation for services (wages). Meaning, prices of everything is always rising due to inflation, in every country. But in Thailand, wages are rising outside of inflation alone, as they are developing into a more robust economy, and away from simple slavery style work (farming, sewing, manual product assembly). If you want good dollar value, I have heard that Laos girls do FS for about as low as $5/ hour. I am being serious. There are cheaper areas, but Thailand is a developing nation. Third world prices are history, just as their poverty status is history. You want third world pricing, don't come to Thailand. It's only getting more expensive. Also, as the rest of Asia and other markets develop, that means more tourists with money who are not Americans / etc. That already has an obvious effect on prices. And with the female shortage in China, combined with their rising middle class, I wouldn't look toward Thailand as a place to secure cheap pussy well into the next 1-2 decades.

[QUOTE=Gus69;2059677]Is there another bar similar to Bangkok Beat around the Soi7/1 area?

I had some great nights in there, without breaking the bank as well, when I was going to the toilet once a girl stopped me with the "Remember Me?

She actually did, giving me the details where I was staying before etc. That was it, I was toast.

I like the freelancer / live music bars, just reminded me there was Country Road down the tunnel and once again I had some good times at Country Road, Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Not familiar with Bangkok Beat, but I stopped in the Beer Garden Bar, which was pretty crowded with older freelancers. Similar set up as the Pattaya Beer Garden. Seemed like a good set up and far enough removed from Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059820]Which is more than a lot of Americans make.

I guess I just see the girls as fellow humans rather than slaves. Sure; I will treat them like a piece of meat in the bedroom but after that I have nothing but respect and would hate to see them make only 1. 5 k for a night of getting fucked hard by an ugly old man.[/QUOTE]I would say that most Americans make more than 69 USD per day. Even 120 K Baht a month would not go far in most US cities that were desirable to live in. Might do ok in Tulsa or Birmingham, but any coastal city or even Austin or Denver? Forget it.

And personally I don't ever treat them like a piece of meat. All night? Sure that is worth more than 1. 5 K, but for a ST that is probably going to be way less than an hour, if the gal has any say, it's a pretty good rate of pay.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2059838]Thailand is a developing nation, prices are rising faster than inflation for services (wages). Meaning, prices of everything is always rising due to inflation, in every country. But in Thailand, wages are rising outside of inflation alone, as they are developing into a more robust economy, and away from simple slavery style work (farming, sewing, manual product assembly). If you want good dollar value, I have heard that Laos girls do FS for about as low as $5/ hour. I am being serious. There are cheaper areas, but Thailand is a developing nation. Third world prices are history, just as their poverty status is history. You want third world pricing, don't come to Thailand. It's only getting more expensive. Also, as the rest of Asia and other markets develop, that means more tourists with money who are not Americans / etc. That already has an obvious effect on prices. And with the female shortage in China, combined with their rising middle class, I wouldn't look toward Thailand as a place to secure cheap pussy well into the next 1-2 decades.[/QUOTE]I agree that Western tourists are less and less important and fewer in number. That goes for P4 P as well and will continue to be the trend. Hope the mainlanders don't start into the P4P scene here, but I am afraid they will. As far as prices and development here; that's all up in the air at the moment. It's one step forward and two steps back. Other nations in the region are viewed as more stable and some are becoming more and more friendly to foreign business and investment. And educational systems in places like Vietnam are improving rapidly. Vietnam now has the 12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet. They also have a larger population than Thailand and seem to be very serious about improving infrastructure. If Thailand is going to stay ahead in the region it needs to get it back in gear. Check out the growth rates here compared to other SE Asian nations. Not looking so hot at the moment.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2059870]I would say that most Americans make more than 69 USD per day. Even 120 K Baht a month would not go far in most US cities that were desirable to live in. Might do ok in Tulsa or Birmingham, but any coastal city or even Austin or Denver? Forget it.

And personally I don't ever treat them like a piece of meat. All night? Sure that is worth more than 1. 5 K, but for a ST that is probably going to be way less than an hour, if the gal has any say, it's a pretty good rate of pay.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but you're way off, Asia has developed and the USA has declined, the gap is not as big as you think. Thailand is not cheap.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2059865]Not familiar with Bangkok Beat, but I stopped in the Beer Garden Bar, which was pretty crowded with older freelancers. Similar set up as the Pattaya Beer Garden. Seemed like a good set up and far enough removed from Nana Plaza.[/QUOTE]Happy to ehar that, I am also a friend of Soi7 beergarden (it was repeatedly said it was closed): ladies may not be the youngest but they know their job, in sharp contrast to the young sexy girls in gogos. I you like good service, usually GFE, that's the place. And being frank (I am a european), even ladies aged 35-40 are still lokking better than most caucasian ones of same age.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2059765]Depends on your tastes. I'll take one of my top gogo girls, some of which are half euro half Thai. You're also assuming ST with a gogo girl is 1 hour which it definitely isn't if you are fun to hang out with.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059771]
ST is about 2 hours and includes CIM.

Try getting BBBJ CIM 2 hour OUTCALL off a western girl for under $100.
[/QUOTE]Many thanks for the clarifications guys! Your feedback is helping me pull the trigger to a Thailand trip later this year.

I'm really happy to hear that ST is really closer to 2 hours. That really changes my math and makes my decision so much easier. From reading lots of posts in the Thailand forums, I somehow got the impression that it was commonplace for girls to bolt after the first pop in ST to try to get back to the club as quickly as possible to make their next ST. But from what you guys are saying, this bolting after the first pop appears to be the exception and not the norm.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2059952]Happy to ehar that, I am also a friend of Soi7 beergarden (it was repeatedly said it was closed): ladies may not be the youngest but they know their job, in sharp contrast to the young sexy girls in gogos. I you like good service, usually GFE, that's the place. And being frank (I am a european), even ladies aged 35-40 are still lokking better than most caucasian ones of same age.[/QUOTE]That's a understatement the last sentence. You esp. Notice when you see some of the European GF's / wives / tourists walking around in Thailand. Shocking the difference.

I am back in Thai in 3 weeks and I am going to try your theory of 'older' woman. Last time (1st time) I literally only picked new farm girls as I thought with my age it would be better to relate or so (sometimes you aren't clear thinking there with the heat and all) but the sex was def. Way off a good level. Yes they were fun to hang out with but very average on the other level with all the shyness it involves and all. I'll be back in a few with my findings.

UH, just to clarify my gogo experience is in pattaya, not Bangkok. I'm saying my personal experience so not sure what the norm is. If you are nice to the girl, have the ability to entertain them, dress nice, stay in a decent hotel, and most importantly not come across as a cheap Charlie I doubt girls will bolt after an hour. On the contrary they will be begging you to repeat with them.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2059797]My Girlfriend works for the Thai government and makes 70,000 a month. $69.00 a day which is not bad. But she has her masters and is a government officer. Makes all the difference.

RL.[/QUOTE]70,000 THB is outstanding money for Thailand. I am currently paying people to work in my field 300 THB a day (lunch and water supplied). Bending over planting rice in the heat and humidity and working the land for 8-9 Hours a Day,6 days a week. 7,200 THB a month, however this work is not ongoing. They are very happy for the work and the amount they get. Mongers on here banging on about how Thailand is a robust economy and you need 120,000 THB a month to live comfortably? Quite frankly Sirs you have your heads up your asses.

Stickboy Bangkok reports today that Bangkok Bunnies go-go bar's No Barfine policy experiment is over. The owner has called it off after only three days. Apparently, the communication effort about what exactly was the deal was so poor, improvised scams by the staff and girls were rampant. They made up stuff like "Must buy three Lady Drinks first". And we already know some were not informing customers about the No Barfine policy at all in order to steal 700 baht from the customer before the ST / LT take out even began. Also, asshole customers, the few who had heard about the deal on the 'net, were ordering one bottle of water and taking out three girls! LOL. Big surprise.

My guess is the legacy of this will be that this kind of concept failed and is a bad idea, never try it again, instead of what it ought to be; there were ways to make it work but the idea wasn't well thought out to begin with and the owner's efforts at communication about it sucked.

My advice; be clean, keep fit, invest in after-shave and wear a nice shirt. Have a fresh haircut and don't be shy. Be very polite before the session starts. Dominate the girl as much as possible once it begins. Agree to two hours before and if she tries to leave early talk to her firmly like you would any other employee. Discuss everything you want in advanced; specify you want 2 hours out of ST including pillow talk after or just pay for LT 5 k.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2060161]Stickboy Bangkok reports today that Bangkok Bunnies go-go bar's No Barfine policy experiment is over. The owner has called it off after only three days. Apparently, the communication effort about what exactly was the deal was so poor, improvised scams by the staff and girls were rampant. They made up stuff like "Must buy three Lady Drinks first". And we already know some were not informing customers about the No Barfine policy at all in order to steal 700 baht from the customer before the ST / LT take out even began. Also, asshole customers, the few who had heard about the deal on the 'net, were ordering one bottle of water and taking out three girls! LOL. Big surprise.

My guess is the legacy of this will be that this kind of concept failed and is a bad idea, never try it again, instead of what it ought to be; there were ways to make it work but the idea wasn't well thought out to begin with and the owner's efforts at communication about it sucked.[/QUOTE]Shame really. Great idea, but you are spot on; it probably was not well planned and all involved did not understand what was going on.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059944]Sorry but you're way off, Asia has developed and the USA has declined, the gap is not as big as you think. Thailand is not cheap.[/QUOTE]Thailand is not as cheap as it used to be, but it is still cheaper than the US. A nice 2-2 in Dallas will run you over 2 K USD. 65 K Baht here gets you a rock star pad. Don't have to own a car in BKK. A 2 K USD motorbike will get you around just fine. 100 Baht in petrol a week and cost you about 30 bucks to ensure and register it per year. Health insurance is way cheaper. Food is cheaper, especially if you shop in the markets. Going out to eat in the US is very expensive now. Maid in Thailand; very cheap. In country air tickets and hotels; again very cheap. I'm not off at all sir. Now, if you want to argue about what people make vs the cost of living the US; people in the US make more, quite a bit more. Craft beer, good alcohol, western foods in the supermarket? More expensive in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2060167]Shame really. Great idea, but you are spot on; it probably was not well planned and all involved did not understand what was going on.[/QUOTE]As Stickboy pointed out in his report, the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks first" ideas actually have merit. Even the improvised scams by the staff and girls were better thought out than what the owner of the bar came up with. LOL.

A better concept is make barfine 1000 baht or whatever amount. If a customer orders 1000 baht in lady drinks then barfine is zero. If they order 600 baht lady drinks barfine is 400 baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2060170]A better concept is make barfine 1000 baht or whatever amount. If a customer orders 1000 baht in lady drinks then barfine is zero. If they order 600 baht lady drinks barfine is 400 baht.[/QUOTE]From a logical viewpoint, that is not bad. But from a practical viewpoint, I can see nothing but endless discussions shouted in a loud go-go bar among customer, server and girl over how the math of that works out, whether his multiple drinks count in the calculation or not, more improvised scam attempts in the mix by everyone customer included, very difficult to explain it in a few words if anyone even tried to put it on a sign and all of that. Many language challenged guys will only get that the barfine for this girl was only 400 baht yesterday, why is it 700 baht today? and needing it to be explained to him for the umpteenth time and on and on. But the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks and the Barfine is free" type of idea is cleaner and clearer, imo.

I mean, they can just collect the 700-1000 baht, call it a barine and not bother serving the Lady Drinks at all or only one of them if that is agreeable to the girl and customer who want to just move on and not sit and drink any longer, of course. But the incremental calculation idea is a bit too cumbersome, imo.

Then again, even with the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks..." idea, there will be tons of times when the guy will buy a girl 2 Lady Drinks, she will excuse herself to "go toilet" and never return. Or show up 3 minutes later sitting on the other side of the bar with another customer...that's when the real fun begins. lol.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2060168]Thailand is not as cheap as it used to be, but it is still cheaper than the US. A nice 2-2 in Dallas will run you over 2 K USD. 65 K Baht here gets you a rock star pad. Don't have to own a car in BKK. A 2 K USD motorbike will get you around just fine. 100 Baht in petrol a week and cost you about 30 bucks to ensure and register it per year. Health insurance is way cheaper. Food is cheaper, especially if you shop in the markets. Going out to eat in the US is very expensive now. Maid in Thailand; very cheap. In country air tickets and hotels; again very cheap. I'm not off at all sir. Now, if you want to argue about what people make vs the cost of living the US; people in the US make more, quite a bit more. Craft beer, good alcohol, western foods in the supermarket? More expensive in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Which is why your 40 USD means fuck all to these people who are often earning close to USA wages with 1/4 the cost of living. How is that so hard to understand? You don't get worshipped in Thailand for being white now. The low quality of life in the US is a different issue.

The USA has brutally oppressed workers for the last 3 decades; Thailand has not. They can earn comparable to the USA wages with 1/4 the cost of living. The USA is a country of losers now. A real joke. Thailand is not. They are winners who have massively improved their lot.

They want real money for their services. People in thailand with access to high wages don't give a fuck what some fat American thinks they deserve based on the USA idea that workers should be content being little more than serf.

The USA has fucked up ideas. I have no doubt that US citizens find the idea of a worker having a good quality of life to be strange and outrageous.

My point is girls don't strip down to their undies and work in gogo bars to be part of thailands underclass so you gotta pay em. The uglies will work for less as it's all they can get. That's why so many bars are more full of old ugly women when apparently 15 years ago they weren't.

You are comparing what you think a thai hooker should get to the cost of living based on the quality of life you think they deserve. What you should be comparing it to is what the market dictates for their services. Not surprising because wages in the USA haven't moved in 20 years. The result ous yes; Thai gogo girls earn a lot and can buy heaps of shit. I hope they enjoy.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2060176] Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k.

They (Thais) can earn comparable to the USA wages with 1/4 the cost of living. [/QUOTE]You are completely delusional when it comes to what Thais earn.

Average wage in Thailand for 2017 is about 13,500 baht (see tradingeconomics.com). Income inequality is high, so the median is substantially lower. I couldn't find the exact statistic, but it's safe to assume most Thais live on less than 12,000 baht per month. That's $350 per month, not quite peanuts like in the early 2000's, but in no way comparable to US wages.

Even solid, middle-class professionals still get paid 3-4 times less than their USA Or European counterparts. The number of Thais making 120 k baht per month or more is minuscule, I'd be surprised if it was more than 1%.

You are right, however, that America is screwing the working class and that real wages did not rise in a long time, but that's a different issue for a different forum.

When it comes to mongering, the only relevance of this is that most Thai wages are livable (though still not comfortable) these days. Long gone are the days of lower-middle class girls (students or having office jobs) occasionally freelancing on Sukhumvit to make the rent. All we're left with now is the underclass dregs which are too stupid, too lazy, or too greedy to do work other than prostitution.

There are some lower-middle-class girls engaging in prostitution from the comfort of their mobile phones, but that scene requires too much effort on the part of the punter. If you can still get a regular girl (that is, are under 60), you're better off spending the energy online chasing them, rather than going though a similar online hassle, and then paying for it, all for 20 minutes of pumping.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2060186]You are completely delusional when it comes to what Thais earn.

Average wage in Thailand for 2017 is about 13,500 baht (see tradingeconomics.com). Income inequality is high, so the median is substantially lower. I couldn't find the exact statistic, but it's safe to assume most Thais live on less than 12,000 baht per month. That's $350 per month, not quite peanuts like in the early 2000's, but in no way comparable to US wages.

Even solid, middle-class professionals still get paid 3-4 times less than their USA Or European counterparts. The number of Thais making 120 k baht per month or more is minuscule, I'd be surprised if it was more than 1%.

You are right, however, that America is screwing the working class and that real wages did not rise in a long time, but that's a different issue for a different forum.

When it comes to mongering, the only relevance of this is that most Thai wages are livable (though still not comfortable) these days. Long gone are the days of lower-middle class girls (students or having office jobs) occasionally freelancing on Sukhumvit to make the rent. All we're left with now is the underclass dregs which are too stupid, too lazy, or too greedy to do work other than prostitution.

There are some lower-middle-class girls engaging in prostitution from the comfort of their mobile phones, but that scene requires too much effort on the part of the punter. If you can still get a regular girl (that is, are under 60), you're better off spending the energy online chasing them, rather than going though a similar online hassle, and then paying for it, all for 20 minutes of pumping.[/QUOTE]The point is thai wages have increased almost 3 fold since 2001 which is the reason for 5 k LT when it used to be 1. 5 k back in 01.

Regardless thailand still has an amazing offering as far as I am concerned. The main problem for me is Koreans taking all the hot girls.

Income inequality in the USA is also high but most Americans are too fucking stupid to know that. And it dies matter because of the USA wages had increased at the same rate as thai then 5000 BAHT would be seen as cheap.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2060164] Dominate the girl as much as possible once it begins. Agree to two hours before and if she tries to leave early talk to her firmly like you would any other employee. Discuss everything you want in advanced; specify you want 2 hours out of ST including pillow talk after or just pay for LT 5 k.[/QUOTE]After being dominated and talked to like an employee, the girl can't help but to have some outstanding- scintillating- pillow talk for your predilection. Way to go!

This is 100% accurate in my dealings and observations. I can report however that some fine looking young things from around where I live (North Isan) are very keen to work in Beachside locations for a short period. My research shows the reason / s they want to do this is to have some fun, earn a little cash and maybe jag a rich Farang. But not do the work long. A lot of these fine young things don't need to travel out of Isan to get 1,000 THB for doing the job. Many Thai man are prepared to pay the beauties. As they say "Mai Pen Rai" can work in Big see and have papa pay me for fun extra. Same with Uni students. Many will sideline when they need extra funds for the scooter, phone or boyfriend. No need to work in the Go Go or Bars for a long duration.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2059956]Many thanks for the clarifications guys! Your feedback is helping me pull the trigger to a Thailand trip later this year.

I'm really happy to hear that ST is really closer to 2 hours. That really changes my math and makes my decision so much easier. From reading lots of posts in the Thailand forums, I somehow got the impression that it was commonplace for girls to bolt after the first pop in ST to try to get back to the club as quickly as possible to make their next ST. But from what you guys are saying, this bolting after the first pop appears to be the exception and not the norm.

Thanks![/QUOTE]It is the norm for them to bolt if it's a short time room. I don't have a lot of experience bringing girls over for ST, but they will always prefer to leave after the first pop, always. You really, really need to confirm a full two hours, and the exact time they are to leave. Most Bangkok gogo girls I find are very eager to get back to their money making machine.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2060170]A better concept is make barfine 1000 baht or whatever amount. If a customer orders 1000 baht in lady drinks then barfine is zero. If they order 600 baht lady drinks barfine is 400 baht.[/QUOTE]Good idea for the punter, not sure about the bar owner. Operationally while possibly problematic initially in implementation it's not that complicated and definitely workable.

Does it benefit the trade to make the change? I have my doubts. The first bar would most certainly gain a first mover advantage. However over time if it was seen to be working others would follow removing that advantage.

You could argue that it would make go go's more popular with increased traffic from punters that normally stay away because they don't like the bar fine part of the deal.

Also I can see gains in the customer drinks segment as customers would presumably stay longer to get their lady drinks tab to where it covers the bar fine but would this offset the net loss from the lady drinks plus barfine price model?

While I would love to see the change I won't be holding my breath for it to become the norm anytime soon.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2059956]Many thanks for the clarifications guys! Your feedback is helping me pull the trigger to a Thailand trip later this year.

I'm really happy to hear that ST is really closer to 2 hours. That really changes my math and makes my decision so much easier. From reading lots of posts in the Thailand forums, I somehow got the impression that it was commonplace for girls to bolt after the first pop in ST to try to get back to the club as quickly as possible to make their next ST. But from what you guys are saying, this bolting after the first pop appears to be the exception and not the norm.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You Happy,

Look it varies by personality of the girl a lot and by what you negotiate, and how much she likes you. Definitely some bar girls are bolters that will not go over 1 hour if you did not negotiate something longer. Some girls will be trying to get away with 30 min quickie. Many bar girls were seen to go with a customer and return in less than 30 minutes, from a short time room.

I never get done in less than 1 hour and generally take 90 minutes on days that the ST Hotel is quiet, sometimes longer, however girls do start complaining "When are you going to cum? If taking a very long time. Very irritating.

Most bargirls are expecting to give one pop only I believe. If you want more, you should raise the issue with them. If you want more than 90 minutes, might be worth discussing that too. I had a freelance girl that was on a pretty good deal, getting more than normal for 90 minute sessions. When I went over 90 minutes one, day, she complained and pleaded for extra money (probably was broke), but I thought she was well paid already. So did not give what she asked for (too much). Put me off her really, She never haggled about the money so much previously. Haven't done her again recently. She was a good fuck but not really that pretty.

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.

A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort). I'm not bragging at all- just want to share so if you are looking for a different experience then you can ignore.

Anyway- have been in BKK 2 days for business. Finally snuck out late afternoon on Friday. I read 100 pages back and really wanted a soapy massage. I'm right on Sukhumvit and seemed to have easy access to girl central station. I'm really unimpressed. The girls hanging outside the massage parlors are old, or decrepit, or paunchy, or just not attractive. Most have bad teeth. The places don't look so great, either. OK. I've done the massage parlor thing (love it in Vegas- BBFS if you give HER a massage at first. And in Shanghai where she straps you in a chair, ass in the air, and tongues away). But I haven't been to a BJ bar. So I read the review for Kasalong that told me where to find it. I imagined an actual bar with guys sitting around, girls with tits out, drinking, having fun, maybe a cock out, ready for a BJ there or elsewhere. Boy was I wrong. A throng of see-minus girls outside, a bitter "bartender" inside and 2 empty see-shaped nasty couches. OK, I need to get off and I haven't experienced this before, so what the hell.

I know to treat a girl to a drink, talk to her, etc. I offer her a beer and she buys it but doesn't drink it. Talk to her, no English. Same with the rest of them. The girl whose beer I bought I was not interested in. So she took me outside and I picked the most Thai one- Dao. Blondish hair, a bit thick (which I Love), the best teeth of the bunch (still a 6/10).

Sat on a couch awkwardly and tried to loosen her up. At least she didn't ask 5 seconds "upstairs?" like the first one. So we hand-roamed a bit but she was obviously waiting for me to want to get it over with. Fine. It's under $20 so just get it over with then I can say I've done a BKK BJ bar.

We go upstairs and it's just so mechanical. She washes my dick off in a sink with cold water. That's odd. Then I take off my shorts and sit down on a towel. She takes off her top and her tummy is a bit more than the shirt led on, but she has nice thick tight thighs, good butt, and tiny perky breasts with long hard nipples. Half a handful but turned me on incredibly. She actually gives a very good BJ- tongue flicks got me hard. Ball sucking was so soft and careful (usually I hate that because it just hurts) I almost came without manipulation. I was able to hold off and she gave a wet and warm BJ with no teeth and her hand stroking me. She let me take her hand away so it was all mouth with a hand caressing my balls, and her other one under my balls and me playing with her titties. I came hard and even before I was done she pulled away and put it in a towel then sucked the rest. OK, it's been 3 days. Shoot me.

I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.

Thanks to the information on the forum, and some great responses from some members I PM'd here, I had a pretty good trip. So. Time to pay back with trip reports. Part 1 here is my first night in Bangkok, the other nights where in Pattaya and will continue on the Pattaya forum.

OK, feel free to tsk-tsk me. Made obvious careless errors in my excitement. I was there the second week of June.

So I snuck in a LOS bolt-on few days to a business trip at the last minute. Didn't make a lot of detailed plans, it was very spur-of-the-moment. Having been to Thailand many times in the last 3 decades I figured "What could possibly go wrong?" LOL. Well, times have changed. Its been six years since I've been there. So here is Part 1 of my report.

Flew into DMK on Air Asia (it was really cheap) and took the A1 bus from DMK to Mo Chit (Chatuchak Park MRT station also) as recommended on the forum here. Cheap, just 30 baht. Grabbed the MRT (the escalators are easier than the BTS with luggage, but BTS is also right there) and rolled down to Sukhumvit, another 33 baht. If you arrive between 7 AM and 11 PM, I would recommend this as the best way to get there from DMK. Up the escalators, out the door and around the corner and you are in the hotel.

Stayed at South Sukhumvit Suites hotel, mainly for convenience. My plan was to just spend one night in Bangkok (needed to take care of something there) and then head down to Pattaya for a few days are&are. The hotel is right at ground zero, around the corner from Soi Cowboy. Girl friendly, they call when she leaves your room, etc. The usual. Rates are on the high side, but room is excellent, staff is great, internet is fast and reliable, so I was set. Had booked it on my phone from the airport just as I was coming to Bangkok earlier that day.

Got organized, then ran out and took care of money exchange (Vasu on Sukhumvit has the best rates) and then prepared to grab some eats and then party time. Ate at some local place on Soi 23 - decent and cheap. With lots of Soi Cowboy girls in the various food establishments around there getting ready for their night.

Took a walk through, and not much change from six years ago, other than the fact that a high percentage of Thai girls are now what I call fat (many of you may prefer the bigger tits and thighs though, I prefer the classic tiny slender look myself. YMMV) and most are covered with tattoos. Damn, they look like a graffiti wall in the ghetto. Not my cup of tea, but some prefer that. Whatever.

So I looked into Baccara and like last time, nothing sparked my interest. Peeked into a few others, and ended up sitting in my old standby Suzie Wong. Tried to hunt down the gal I had six years ago, but in this business that is a long long time and no one even remembered her. A few halfway decent gals, I bought a couple of drinks (including for mama, which I often do) but after an hour or two I just figured it was time to move on. Stopped for a drink in like two other places, can't even recall their names anymore, and walked past Long Gun. Verified it is still the wildest place in Cowboy, with full nudity, pussy shows, the works. Reminiscent of old Pat Pong decades ago. And decided what the fuck. Haven't watched pussy shows in like 15 years, I'll check it out.

So I went in and the selection of talent was large, with at least half a dozen fitting my criteria. Ended up with a very very cute gal 'Lena', mid-20's, who was super affectionate, some English, nice figure, good hair, all good. Ended up spending like 2-3 hours drinking and watching the shows, bought additional drinks for one or two others that I liked, it was all great fun. Until.

I told my gal I want to barfine her and she go to my hotel with me, and she gets squirrelled. First newbie mistake: before the second drink or any significant time or financial investment in the bar, always make sure the gal goes with customers. I did validate with another girl when she was on stage that my girl did go with customers, but not always with any customer. Second mistake: when things seem to be going well, verify that she will come with you later. Now arrogantly, I consider my game good enough that a provider will come with me if she comes with anyone. LOL. I got a comeuppance that night! Maybe it is because she was young and cute, and I am fat and older than dirt, but whatever. So. Turns out she will not come with me that night. She tries finding me other company, but at this time I was already getting an attitude (my bad). So I paid my tab and walked out. Fuck this bullshit.

It was getting late, but I wanted company so I went to Tilac down the street; decent lineup, and the door girl was excellent. Dumb mistake #3: door girls who are not dancing on stage don't go with customers for whatever reason. I bought this gal a drink, and asked her if she barfines, and when she confirmed she did not, I then discussed what I was looking for and she helped me find another gal in the bar that fit my specifications. I went through the drink&interview process for two of them, but in the end I paid for the drinks and stalked out all pissed off. Everyone that fit the most important criteria (petite, slender, long black hair, attractive) failed the other criteria (no or very few and small tattoos, no silicone tits, no oddball facial piercings). Once they validated that the minimum is 2000ST /4000 LT, that trashed the deal. For that kind of money, I want what I want, and will not settle for less.

I said fuck all this noise, I'm heading to Pattaya tomorrow, and I went back to my hotel and crashed (instead of heading over to Nana for the late night bar-closing FL scene). My plan was to get a good rest, and hit the ground in top form in Pattaya. And hopefully my attitude would significantly improve. Verdict: Bangkok (and probably me as well) are not what it once was.

Part 2 continued in the Pattaya Reports forum.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2059966]That's a understatement the last sentence. You esp. Notice when you see some of the European GF's / wives / tourists walking around in Thailand. Shocking the difference.

I am back in Thai in 3 weeks and I am going to try your theory of 'older' woman. Last time (1st time) I literally only picked new farm girls as I thought with my age it would be better to relate or so (sometimes you aren't clear thinking there with the heat and all) but the sex was def. Way off a good level. Yes they were fun to hang out with but very average on the other level with all the shyness it involves and all. I'll be back in a few with my findings.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this comment. I will be there early September, so happy to read your experiences. I am not young, but that's not the reason I like these beergarden "older" women. I ma not (have never been) into PSE sex, let's say just "fuck" is not my thing. I like to be with a nice person, has'nt to be the perfect body without kids many punters here are desperately looking for. It come (very irregularly because not private trips) to BKK since 30 years. I have been with a and umber of thai girls / ladies, whether from beergarden, Thermae, gogos (few) or soapies. To tell the truth, I have never met a thai girl really into sex. 30 years ago, it was even very difficult to get a BJ, was a "cultural" probblem. Today it's much easier, of course, but for me who likes oral sex and specially CIM, it is still not easy. From my experiences thai women are not engaging into sex (at least the differenty pros) as compared with brazilian girls who give much better service. But. I like the thin asiatic bodies and their natural kindness. So "normal" sex with a nice person is my thing (preferably FLs). Each of us has his preferences, luckily!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2060393]Thanks for this comment. I will be there early September, so happy to read your experiences. I am not young, but that's not the reason I like these beergarden "older" women. I ma not (have never been) into PSE sex, let's say just "fuck" is not my thing. I like to be with a nice person, has'nt to be the perfect body without kids many punters here are desperately looking for. It come (very irregularly because not private trips) to BKK since 30 years. I have been with a and umber of thai girls / ladies, whether from beergarden, Thermae, gogos (few) or soapies. To tell the truth, I have never met a thai girl really into sex. 30 years ago, it was even very difficult to get a BJ, was a "cultural" probblem. Today it's much easier, of course, but for me who likes oral sex and specially CIM, it is still not easy. From my experiences thai women are not engaging into sex (at least the differenty pros) as compared with brazilian girls who give much better service. But. I like the thin asiatic bodies and their natural kindness. So "normal" sex with a nice person is my thing (preferably FLs). Each of us has his preferences, luckily![/QUOTE]I am of the same mind. Too bad I didn't check out the BKK beer bar scene enough. PSE sex works for the first few days, but settling in with a mature MILF was also my pattern on my recently concluded foray to LOS.

I was in such a bar last week when young bucks walked by, maybe US / UK military on liberty. Those beer bar MILFs yelled out for them, uncharacteristically. I wanted to run out to those dudes and due them a solid, grab them by the collar and tell them not to pass up such quality of women that want to fuck them that much.

[QUOTE=Nympholepsy;2060270]You Happy,

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.[/QUOTE]Thats why I always take LT. Most of my mongering is in Cambodia. No problem there. Many beautiful girl, not to expensive. 10 dollar BF and 30 or 40 dollar for LT.

Sometimes I have a stopover in Bangkok. I love Bangkok. Last time I arrived with the bus 7. Pm. I went to Suhkumvit Station and walked to soi 8. Many beautiful FL on the road. I chose a cheap guesthose, 1. 000 baht for the night. I wanted a massage, but when I came to my favorite place, I changed my mind. Why not take a girl for all the night. No reason to go find FL, as I usualy do. I asked if any of the girls wanted go with me for the night. 4 of them was ready. Price was 5. 000. Maybe a little expensive. Normal I can find a LT for half or even 2. 000, but I was lazy.

Out of the four women, there was a very beautiful one. Not young, but very pretty. Of course I chose her. 35 years old. One child, but a very perfect body, with no damage. More important, so cute and friendly. So sexy and later so horny. Lucky me.

We was together for 10 hour. I had to take taxi to the airport 6. Am. In that 10 hour we slept 2 hour, talked and eat 2 hour. For the 6 hour, we fucked. She was GFE and PSE same time.

Why take a boring young gogo girl, when you can have so great sex with a more experienced women. We both enjoyed the sex. She was really up for a little spanking. She got so horny. What a joy.

Very selldom I do a take contact information to a women in Bangkok, but this time I did. Next time I ask her again.

Life is good. You can find gems. Just look.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2060393]Thanks for this comment. I will be there early September, so happy to read your experiences. I am not young, but that's not the reason I like these beergarden "older" women. I ma not (have never been) into PSE sex, let's say just "fuck" is not my thing. I like to be with a nice person, has'nt to be the perfect body without kids many punters here are desperately looking for. It come (very irregularly because not private trips) to BKK since 30 years. I have been with a and umber of thai girls / ladies, whether from beergarden, Thermae, gogos (few) or soapies. To tell the truth, I have never met a thai girl really into sex. 30 years ago, it was even very difficult to get a BJ, was a "cultural" probblem. Today it's much easier, of course, but for me who likes oral sex and specially CIM, it is still not easy. From my experiences thai women are not engaging into sex (at least the differenty pros) as compared with brazilian girls who give much better service. But. I like the thin asiatic bodies and their natural kindness. So "normal" sex with a nice person is my thing (preferably FLs). Each of us has his preferences, luckily![/QUOTE]Gannaton48,

It seems we are of a mind here. This trip, both in BKK when I returned (will post after I do my Pattaya reports) and also in Pattaya I took ladies aged 35-43, and every single one of them was fantastic. We all look for PSE in a GFE package, but as I get older the PSE part becomes less important and the GFE component more so. Nest time I'm in town, I'll swing by the beer garden; hardly seems worth it to do the go-gos in Soi Cowboy anymore.

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2060294]Hey Natty, Thanks for the advise on Grand Hyatt.

I understand that Spasso is in Grand Hyatt and hence my interests in the hotel.

I have RTFF and my following questions

1. Is Mixx about the same type of scene as Spasso? I assume it it a bunch of reasonable to good looking FL?

2. Is Mixx located close to Spasso?
[/QUOTE]As you know, Spasso is a FL pick up bar in the basement of the Grand Hyatt. Girls who come here are mostly Thai, nicely attired & coiffed, speak English fairly well, and are on average between the ages of 27 and 37. The accepted price is between 4000 baht and 5000 baht for ST. I have never had a Spasso girl that was in a hurry to leave. They have all been very nice girls or should I say ladies. 555. The best time to come here is Thurs, Friday, and Saturday night between 11 pm to 1 am. The last Friday of every month is special theme night. When I was last there it was Cowboy and Indian night with some very attractive Thai girls, working for the bar, dressed appropriately. These girls were not FL's, but most if not all the girls sitting or standing around with a drink in their hand are FL and here for takeout.

Mixx is in the basement of the Intercontinental across the street from the Grand Hyatt. A lot of Spasso girls migrate over to Mixx later in the night after Spasso closes its doors if they have had no luck. The makeup of Mixx girls is more varied the Spasso. There is a larger percentage of imports in Mixx and a significant presence of non P4 P girls. The price for Mixx FL's starts at 4000 baht, but the sky is the limit depending on the girl, what she thinks of herself, and her ethnicity. The non P4P girls are there to have a good time. If you got game, some charm, can dance, and are willling to buy a bottle; they can be had, but not for a fee.

As I wrote previously in the Hotel thread, I like to stay in the neighborhood for a couple of nights per trip just so I can have a little fun in Patpong early and later on in Spasso & Mixx. A typical Thursday or Friday night for me starts out in Patpong around 8:30 pm. I really like Kings Castle 1 & 2. At present, there are a lot of very pretty girls in these two bars making these two Go Go's very competitive IMHO with my favorite Nana and Cowboy Go Go's. KC Barfines are all over the place. I think there are 5 different barfine levels starting out at 500 baht and going up to 1800 baht for their top Agency girls. It is easy to tell the 500 baht barfine girls from the 1800 baht barfine girls, but not so easy to tell a 1400 baht barfiner from an 1800-baht barfiner. On the two consecutive nights that I last paid a visit, I barfined a different girl each night. They were both 1800 barfine girls. They both looked real good to me and as for their service; one girl was in my top 5/ the other girl was in my top 10 girls of my whole trip. Enough said. I went to Spasso later after I was finished with my honeys, but did not take any Spasso girl this last trip. So, I am looking forward to going back and spending more time in Kings Castle both 1 & 2 and checking out Spasso.

TIP: if you start out the evening at Patpong and find a girl you like, barfine her. Don't hold off because of what you think you might find in Spasso later. A sexy cute Thai bird in your hand is worth two or three in the bush.

Back to my typical night out in the neighborhood: if by 11 pm I have not found Miss Right in the several Patpong bars I like to frequent, King's Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, and Electric Blue; then it is time to head to Spasso. At 11 pm on a Thursday, Friday, or Saturday night Spasso is usually going strong with plenty of FL's and unfortunately an almost equal number of sausages. Yes, it is a sausage fest. I don't know where these guys come from, but they are always there. Additionally, it is roughly a 50/50 split between NE Asians and Westerner sausages and some of these guys are wearing fucking sportscoats. Unbelievable! Me, I am dressed up wearing a collared, short sleeve, polo shirt ie an informal golf shirt and fresh laundered jeans. That is me in dress up mode. LOL. In any case, despite the male customer turnout, there are plenty of girls to choose from and they ALL want to make your acquaintance. There is none of that Thermae bull crap going on here although these FL's are older than the Thermae crowd, but better dressed, better educated, and many holding their own nicely. I usually flirt with a couple of the prettier girls and if I like one I let the conversation eventually get around to what everybody came for. My night is usually all set after spending an hour in Spasso.

But once in a while when I can't find what I am looking for and it is around 1 am, then I feel it is time to head over to Mixx. On other nights, I may have just said goodbye to my Patpong girl and put her in a taxi, so I wonder over to Mixx to see what's up. I am usually not disappointed. For some reason this bar, or Discotheque, or whatever you want to call it attracts some very sexy girls both out of towners as well as the local FL talent. The bar opens at 9 pm, but the best time to come here is between 12:30 am to 1 am and the place keeps going strong until way past 3:30 am.

In summary:

Patpong - Kings Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, Electric Blue - 8:30 to 11 pm.
Spasso - 11 pm to 1 am.
Mixx - 1 am until 3:30am although the joint does not close its doors until at least 4 or 5am on weekends.

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2060294]
3. My plan is to do a Smooci girl in the afternoon after a few hours of sleep. I arrive early morning after a long flight. Hit Spasso in the evening (I arrive on a Sat) and hopefully score a lady with great looks (I hope both I and she will be interested in LT). Wake up on Sun and let the Spasso lady blow me before I head out for breakfast. Sunday. Hit a MP (not sure which one, I have been to Bamboo and Snow White and I liked both but I may try a different MP). Have one of my regulars come and see me in the evening. Be with her Sunday night and hang out with her on Monday and do her Monday night too. Anyway, my question / s is twofold: what do you think of my plan and how would your plan look like for three nights?
[/QUOTE]Kirsia, things always go a little different in BKK once you arrive than how you planned it back home and that is a good thing.

I have never played the escort card anywhere. So, I am the wrong guy to ask about Smooci. I prefer to meet my girls in person first and then decide if I want to shag them. Some of those Smooci girls look good to me, but I hear the photos can be old. Still, it's your adventure, so do what you like.

In my last post, I wrote about how I like to spend my evenings in this neck of the woods. I like the Go Go's and highly recommend the two Kings Castle bars for early action, then Spasso around midnight, and Mixx for late late. I hardly ever arrange a LT with a girl for our 1st time together. There are too many unknowns. But if I like her and want her to stay all night after the first shag, it is usually very easy to change the arrangement. Alternatively, it is just as easy and possibly more desirable to say goodnight, put her in a taxi, and head over to Mixx. Yeah, I like the 2nd option better. But that's me.

Spasso is a very different place on Sunday night. I would forget about it and head to the Go Go's or the Soapies on Sunday night. Sunday afternoon is oily massage parlor time. If you like SW, that's as good as any place, better than most for a particular level of service. There are other places with perhaps prettier girls, but less vigorous, yet equally pleasurable service. Up to You! 555.

So, have a great time. Go with the flow. Follow your bliss. AND REPORT BACK!

NB

In Bangkok for the last 2 days. Decided to call a Russian lady. I prefer 30 yrs – 35 yrs. They are more comfortable with their bodies and know how to give and get pleasure. Besides they are not in a hurry.

She came to my room and gave me an excellent massage, using her elbows. Looks like she was trained by an expert Thai masseuse. Then she proceeded to take off my clothes and her own. Pushed me back on the bed and told me to let her do all the work– I was happy to comply. Started with BBBJ and took me to a very pleasurable release. Was in no hurry to leave till I sent her away at midnight since I had an early morning meeting. Leaving today for Singapore.

Hope to be back in BKK next month.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2060203]The point is thai wages have increased almost 3 fold since 2001 which is the reason for 5 k LT when it used to be 1. 5 k back in 01.

Regardless thailand still has an amazing offering as far as I am concerned. The main problem for me is Koreans taking all the hot girls.

Income inequality in the USA is also high but most Americans are too fucking stupid to know that. And it dies matter because of the USA wages had increased at the same rate as thai then 5000 BAHT would be seen as cheap.[/QUOTE]Currently the Thai Baht is overvalued due to the short term bonds the gov has been offering for the past few months. Don't think that will last so long. And I would agree that you are way off base as to what Thais earn.

Sorry dude, I don't think the rate has much to do with the cost of living here. It is all the punter. It's two week millionaires on holiday and the masses of Asian tourists. Without the later especially, ST would still be 1500 Baht. Remember, oilies and soapies are pretty much the same cost as they were 15 years ago. Also we are not fishing in the same pond as very demanding locals as we do in places like HK and Jakarta. If the mamasans in places like KPressure in Kowloon were to offer up a dark skinned gal with the map of the Northern Territories on her gut who did not perform; the locals would scream at her. The local and foreign punter here is not that demanding. When the mainlanders do invade the scene here the gals are really in for a surprise. The agency crap has also been awful for the punter. Salaries here are still very low as is the cost of living compared to most other Asian capital cities. Compare what you pay for an average Isan gal to what you get in Beijing. This morning Kitty Beijing posted some photos and some reports. They charge 700 RMB. A little over 100 USD and the gal is stunning, white skin, pink nipples, no baby, and performs. I would have no issue at all paying that in BKK for something of that quality. That is not what is on offer. And sorry, Beijing is a far more expensive city to live in than BKK and salaries are higher.

And yes the US is an awful place; that is why I left. But hey, wages never increase in developed nations like they do in developing nations.

[QUOTE=Nympholepsy;2060270]You Happy,

Look it varies by personality of the girl a lot and by what you negotiate, and how much she likes you. Definitely some bar girls are bolters that will not go over 1 hour if you did not negotiate something longer. Some girls will be trying to get away with 30 min quickie. Many bar girls were seen to go with a customer and return in less than 30 minutes, from a short time room.

I never get done in less than 1 hour and generally take 90 minutes on days that the ST Hotel is quiet, sometimes longer, however girls do start complaining "When are you going to cum? If taking a very long time. Very irritating.

Most bargirls are expecting to give one pop only I believe. If you want more, you should raise the issue with them. If you want more than 90 minutes, might be worth discussing that too. I had a freelance girl that was on a pretty good deal, getting more than normal for 90 minute sessions. When I went over 90 minutes one, day, she complained and pleaded for extra money (probably was broke), but I thought she was well paid already. So did not give what she asked for (too much). Put me off her really, She never haggled about the money so much previously. Haven't done her again recently. She was a good fuck but not really that pretty.

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the perspective Mr. Nympho.

OK, what if I take a gogo girl out for a ST and we spend 1 hour together. Then, I pay her for 2 more STs (or I extend the ST to LT). In this situation, am I supposed to also pay her a bigger Bar Fine since I kept her out the bar longer than originally anticipated? Or, do I just pay her her ST / LT fee?

In another scenario, let's say I take a gogo girl out for ST and I fail to negotiate the length of time. She wants to bolt after the first pop, about a half hour in. At this point, I suppose if I like her, I could offer her another ST for another hour if she finishes her first hour with me, yes? Would that be a decent strategy? In this situation, I don't need to also pay her another BF to take back to the club, right? I just pay her another ST fee.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2060610]Thanks for the perspective Mr. Nympho.

OK, what if I take a gogo girl out for a ST and we spend 1 hour together. Then, I pay her for 2 more STs (or I extend the ST to LT). In this situation, am I supposed to also pay her a bigger Bar Fine since I kept her out the bar longer than originally anticipated? Or, do I just pay her her ST / LT fee?

In another scenario, let's say I take a gogo girl out for ST and I fail to negotiate the length of time. She wants to bolt after the first pop, about a half hour in. At this point, I suppose if I like her, I could offer her another ST for another hour if she finishes her first hour with me, yes? Would that be a decent strategy? In this situation, I don't need to also pay her another BF to take back to the club, right? I just pay her another ST fee.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha! Amusing since most punters in Thailand take a very different attitude, a harder one, where they believe they are paying far too much for a bargirl already, and expect the girl to stay the whole night for just 500 to 1K Baht extra, which is really quite unreasonable, causing most top girls to be not interested in very long bookings. For good money they may change their attitude.

I suspect that certainly if you liked the girl for the initial period to the first pop, and then offered extra money to go round again, they might be into it, unless their pussy is already hurting.

It's not so applicable to me since I always take so long to get to the first pop. I have tried to offer girls extra money to stay on till morning in the past, and very few accepted, however that is a very different thing to extending a ST. Some girls just do not want to do Long Time at all.

If you managed to choose a girl with low stamina, there is little chance your extension plan is going to work. All my regular girls have good to very good stamina to fuck for a reasonably long period, but plenty of girls do not. So nothing is guaranteed.

Some bars have started to introduce rules where, a certain category of girl, perhaps Coyote type, is due back to the bar by a certain time, based on your barfine, and that due time may be unreasonably just 1 hour later. Dolls House had silly rules like this for some girls. Make sure you do not get a girl of this type. Traditionally there was only 1 barfine, and girl was not obliged to return to the bar after the ST or LT whatever it turned out to be.

I see people overthinking, making too much planning, setting a "minute by minute agenda" for their first visit to LOS.

Take it easy guys, this is not a marketing action and there is no need to make a business plan.

I understand the weeks or months before the first trip are exciting, but there is no need to overdo.

ISG is full of information to give you an idea on what you will see and find.

Get into the field and spend an evening browsing the different options, bars and gogo. Sit in a bar at nana and watch what goes on, look at the people (girls and punters) going in, out, observe the flow and see what is going on.

Don't be a target of smart girls, but still enjoy what comes on the tray.

I agree with bionicman. Once you know about the main areas like Nana and Soi Cowboy, as well as having a general idea of price, you are set. Just arrive and go with the flow.

IMHO Bangkok has way better girls but pattaya has a much more relaxing vibe. I can't stand Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2058128]Maybe you are confusing Thermae with some other place? About 15 years ago Thermae was packed to the roof with lovely young girls in their twenties. OK, maybe not all of them were lovely but they were young anyway. If it ever was a famous place for the older-ish women then that must have been before my time.

There's nothing special (anymore) about Thermae. Nowadays the girls there are focused on Koreans and Japanese for the most part.[/QUOTE]Yup! You are right. The names from 15 years ago all sound the same. Maybe Annie's. But it was Thermae I went to and couldn't see any reason to return. Ever.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2060357]A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort). I'm not bragging at all- just want to share so if you are looking for a different experience then you can ignore.

Sat on a couch awkwardly and tried to loosen her up. At least she didn't ask 5 seconds "upstairs?" like the first one. So we hand-roamed a bit but she was obviously waiting for me to want to get it over with. Fine. It's under $20 so just get it over with then I can say I've done a BKK BJ bar.


I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.[/QUOTE]Not sure who you are trying to impress, but this is just off them mark. What's with all the remarks about teeth? Maybe you're compulsive so that's why you can't appreciate BKK bars / message. Best if you stick with the 800 USD in USD that you mentioned. I also used to live in NYC and have the $$ to spend in BKK, but you're report is off the mark.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2059878]I agree that Western tourists are less and less important and fewer in number. That goes for P4 P as well and will continue to be the trend. Hope the mainlanders don't start into the P4P scene here, but I am afraid they will. As far as prices and development here; that's all up in the air at the moment. It's one step forward and two steps back. Other nations in the region are viewed as more stable and some are becoming more and more friendly to foreign business and investment. And educational systems in places like Vietnam are improving rapidly. Vietnam now has the 12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet. They also have a larger population than Thailand and seem to be very serious about improving infrastructure. If Thailand is going to stay ahead in the region it needs to get it back in gear. Check out the growth rates here compared to other SE Asian nations. Not looking so hot at the moment.[/QUOTE]Dude, I've lived in VN for 16 of the past 20 months. That is insane you say "12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet". Did you get that from Fox News or a Drump mouthpiece? Education sucks there. It's not even in top 50 (how would it be better than so many western european countries for example? It is, however, true that VT graduates work super hard and can beat people from wealthy countries in their knowledge of things like computer programming for mobile. But it's a F##ing one party run country. Authoritarian system. How the F is it better than wealthy countries in asia like Korea, Japan, Singapore. And then W. Europe etc. ?

I remember this forum 15 years ago when people were careful about facts vs. BS. Sad day to see so much mis-information here.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2060589]Currently the Thai Baht is overvalued due to the short term bonds the gov has been offering for the past few months. Don't think that will last so long. And I would agree that you are way off base as to what Thais earn.

Sorry dude, I don't think the rate has much to do with the cost of living here. It is all the punter. It's two week millionaires on holiday and the masses of Asian tourists. Without the later especially, ST would still be 1500 Baht. Remember, oilies and soapies are pretty much the same cost as they were 15 years ago. Also we are not fishing in the same pond as very demanding locals as we do in places like HK and Jakarta. If the mamasans in places like KPressure in Kowloon were to offer up a dark skinned gal with the map of the Northern Territories on her gut who did not perform; the locals would scream at her. The local and foreign punter here is not that demanding. When the mainlanders do invade the scene here the gals are really in for a surprise. The agency crap has also been awful for the punter. Salaries here are still very low as is the cost of living compared to most other Asian capital cities. Compare what you pay for an average Isan gal to what you get in Beijing. This morning Kitty Beijing

And yes the US is an awful place; that is why I left. But hey, wages never increase in developed nations like they do in developing nations.[/QUOTE]I've never been to mainland China and hope I never do. I live in Saigon and am from E Coast usa. So, what is "Kitty Beijing". In Saigon you can bone a stunner girl same as you describe for just $75. But she's VN which is far more nice than mainland China where all is just money. However, these perfect girls are escorts who don't speak English. You need to be a bit more adventuresome and also text them with BASIC VN or hire someone to translate from escort sites to meet at a hotel room. Is that the same with these wonderful Bening girls? Are they are easy to go with for someone not too familiar w / China. Let's compare apples to apples, not to oranges, for BKK.

I have been talking to a representative from celebrity providers and I found out that there are a lot of Hollywood and Bollywood celebrities who are escort but for a very large fee. Obviously I can't pay for their services because its expensive and I hear they say its a service for multimillionaires.

"Feel free to contact us at any time, and if we are unable to take your call, please send a message through the contact form and a representative will respond to you as soon as possible."

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2060670]Dude, I've lived in VN for 16 of the past 20 months. That is insane you say "12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet". Did you get that from Fox News or a Drump mouthpiece? Education sucks there. It's not even in top 50 (how would it be better than so many western european countries for example? It is, however, true that VT graduates work super hard and can beat people from wealthy countries in their knowledge of things like computer programming for mobile. But it's a F##ing one party run country. Authoritarian system. How the F is it better than wealthy countries in asia like Korea, Japan, Singapore. And then W. Europe etc. ?

I remember this forum 15 years ago when people were careful about facts vs. BS. Sad day to see so much mis-information here.[/QUOTE]Have a lot of friends that are teaching in VN now. Some for several years running. Schools are improving by leaps and bounds. And no BBC [URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33047924[/URL] and OECD rankings. In fact, beating the US and OZ in test scores as well http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/will-vietnam-continue-to-beat-australia-in-education-20150720-gigaab.html.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2060357]A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort).
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I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.[/QUOTE]Next time you might want to try Bit Style: [URL]http://bitstylemassage.com[/URL].

It just has uhm. A bit more style. Nice clean place, good looking girls (real 7's and 8's, unlike most BJ bars), good service.

It's not really a BJ bar, you can get massage and FS there as well, but you can go there for just a BJ for 1300 Baht. It's all the way down on the price list.

I have been there 3 or 4 times now and was never disappointed.