Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2254798]The problem is that "for what" promises mean very little, it all depends on the execution. If the girl has a bad attitude, she can perform a token act, but in a way that doesn't please the customer much, if at all.

You can't meaningfully agree on a "True GFE", given that even most of mongers would not fully agree what it means. You can agree on the BBBJ, but it could end up being brief and poorly done. You can agree on DFK, and it might end up being minimal, forced and with a frown. You can agree on CIM, but if she does fine otherwise and pulls out, are you really not going to pay her?

One non-standard service that you can meaningfully agree on is anal. No way for a girl to do that without having a dick well inside her ass. Another one is BBFS, though it's madness with a working girl, especially one who readily agrees to it. Unfortunately, these days BBBJ needs to be added to the list, though it used to be 100% standard and expected just a few years ago. Almost anything else you can try to specify, but if a girl wants to avoid it or do a minimal job, there's no way to hold her to it.

I prefer my sessions to be spontaneous and friendly, rather than just checking items from a checklist, while the girl tries to resist you on each item.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. There is no way to effectively predict performance in advance.

My most successful experiences in USA, Mexico, and Thailand have been when I could feel that the girl liked me and wanted to go with me more than some other punter. The girl needs to look good enough, but there is no point in working on the hottest girl around if she seems more interest in chatting with her friends or if she is going from man to man looking for anyone to bar fine her.

My lifetime best professional sex was with an average looking Butterflies gogo girl, but she clearly picked me from the crowd to work on.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2254798]The problem is that "for what" promises mean very little, it all depends on the execution. If the girl has a bad attitude, she can perform a token act, but in a way that doesn't please the customer much, if at all.

You can't meaningfully agree on a "True GFE", given that even most of mongers would not fully agree what it means. You can agree on the BBBJ, but it could end up being brief and poorly done. You can agree on DFK, and it might end up being minimal, forced and with a frown. You can agree on CIM, but if she does fine otherwise and pulls out, are you really not going to pay her?

One non-standard service that you can meaningfully agree on is anal. No way for a girl to do that without having a dick well inside her ass. Another one is BBFS, though it's madness with a working girl, especially one who readily agrees to it. Unfortunately, these days BBBJ needs to be added to the list, though it used to be 100% standard and expected just a few years ago. Almost anything else you can try to specify, but if a girl wants to avoid it or do a minimal job, there's no way to hold her to it.

I prefer my sessions to be spontaneous and friendly, rather than just checking items from a checklist, while the girl tries to resist you on each item.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, spontaneous is preferred; it's a shame that we have to resort to negotiations these days. On the occasions I do negotiate, I ask them if they have seen a "sex movie," then I tell them that is want, or I might tell them I want them to be like they are with a boyfriend they really like.

Sadly, I think the expectations of so many dudes is so low that the performance bar has been lowered to ridiculous standards.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254760]Yes, I am afraid so. You see, to "torture semantics" is just another way of saying what you accused me of in the related post:

Torture:
Inflict severe pain on.
"most of the victims had been brutally tortured".
Synonyms: inflict pain on, [B]ill-treat, abuse, mistreat, maltreat[/B], persecute.
"they have tortured suspects in order to extract confessions".

Semantics:
[B]the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text.[/B]
Plural noun: semantics.
"such quibbling over semantics may seem petty stuff".[/QUOTE]Thank you.

This man (now I am not sure) is a scream! Someone give this guy here a medal. Pure entertainment.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2254913]Thank you.

This man (now I am not sure) is a scream! Someone give this guy here a medal. Pure entertainment.[/QUOTE]That's nothing. I'm still laughing about some fool who paid 2.5 million rupiah for a BATS girl in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2254798]The problem is that "for what" promises mean very little, it all depends on the execution. If the girl has a bad attitude, she can perform a token act, but in a way that doesn't please the customer much, if at all.

You can't meaningfully agree on a "True GFE", given that even most of mongers would not fully agree what it means. You can agree on the BBBJ, but it could end up being brief and poorly done. You can agree on DFK, and it might end up being minimal, forced and with a frown. You can agree on CIM, but if she does fine otherwise and pulls out, are you really not going to pay her?

One non-standard service that you can meaningfully agree on is anal. No way for a girl to do that without having a dick well inside her ass. Another one is BBFS, though it's madness with a working girl, especially one who readily agrees to it. Unfortunately, these days BBBJ needs to be added to the list, though it used to be 100% standard and expected just a few years ago. Almost anything else you can try to specify, but if a girl wants to avoid it or do a minimal job, there's no way to hold her to it.

I prefer my sessions to be spontaneous and friendly, rather than just checking items from a checklist, while the girl tries to resist you on each item.[/QUOTE]I largely agree, too. But when I referred to a "True GFE", I was mostly using that as a euphemism for what matters to me; BBFS+CIP. And, as you said, that is a non-standard service that you can meaningfully negotiate. Sure, the girl can go as stiff as a statue in the room and make it nearly impossible to accomplish. But, thankfully, that is very rare.

However, that also brings in the other part of the negotiation I have on occasion put into it. Sadly, these days it is sometimes necessary for me to add the "or I will not give you any money. You ok?" to the discussion. Mind you, I only add that part when I am hot enough for the girl but have that nagging feeling she is also a trickster. On the one hand, it eliminates some girls who cannot accept that proviso that I am very happy to be eliminated. And on the other hand, I have quite often had that girl who seems a bit too full of herself and capable of being a trickster agree and the rest of the night goes far better than I ever thought it would.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2255168] for what matters to me; BBFS+CIP.[/QUOTE]You really should consider Phnom Penh. Most bar girls there jump on you BBFS whether you want it or not. I don't think khmer girls know what condoms are. Oddly, they think a BJ is disgusting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255181]You really should consider Phnom Penh. Most bar girls there jump on you BBFS whether you want it or not. I don't think khmer girls know what condoms are. Oddly, they think a BJ is disgusting.[/QUOTE]Or pretty much anywhere in PI.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.

She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.

I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.[/QUOTE]If you agree to pay the girl, you pay her. Yes, she is naive. She should have seen the money every few days.

It is not blackmail on the girls part, she is just ensuring he meets the verbal contract he agreed to. He is reprehensible for doing this, and deserves it.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2250427]Hey guys,

I've been on this forum for a really long time and had my first trip to Pattaya I fucked up. I thought I knew what I was doing but it turned out I probably had the worse series of events happen to me. [/QUOTE]Are you sure the fucked up part didn't began from the moment you try to make a play on the Monkeypaw branded name? Monkeypaw is loved in the spirit world, and the good spirits don't fancy those that try to play him out. But lesson learned right? Now let's dive right into Monkeypaw's final report on my two weeks in Pattaya, shall we?

Part 1.

For those who have been long awaiting a Monkeypaw style report, Christmas has come early this year and Santa having ho ho hoed for the last two weeks or so, has granted your wish to cure you of this thing called boredom. And "no," I don't want nor do I need anybody to sit on my lap, not even the hottest Go Go bars girls, because then it means that they are something special to me and therefore can tie me down. I'm a Playboy, by nature (so basically I monger to save from breaking the normal girls' hearts and not really a monger), so nobody on this planet is that particular to me to get that privilege. Definitely, not a bunch fuddy duddies behind a keyboard, who may actually enjoy that kind of experience. So anyways, I just finished up two weeks in heaven, two weeks in hell, whatever you want to call it. The same conclusion still holds true as it did before. Pattaya is still #1 for Monkeypaw and Monkeypaw is still #1 for Pattaya. But, finally, I have some time with this little break from Thailand, due to flying back 31 hours to the States to take my Earth mom to the airport in Houston. Yep, that's the Monkeypaw thing to do because it shows you have true freedom from all evil and from this world. Monkeypaw is free from the influences of money, people, sex, pleasure, sleep, food, or even Father time. I do the things I do and when I do it, due to a higher calling, a higher power always guiding me. (can't' believe I just said do-do-do-due all in one sentence) But anyways again, it means when I feel the need to fulfill an oath, and not disappoint, you better hold on to your horses because only God can stop me then. Still on the topic of airport, my arrival at BKK around 6 am went more smooth than previous visits. The immigration officer, who was a lady, looked at my passport and said "Mister, you already have 10 tourist stamps this year. " To which I replied, "Yes, for a total of 299 days for holiday in Thailand this year, I know" with a grin. She then, of course, asked "Why you come so many many to Thailand and why you cannot get visa?" I was thinking very hard to what to say. Let's see, previously the excuses told were as follow.

1. I've already told them that my family sponsored two orphaned baby elephants in Thailand.

2. My family donated millions of bahts to Thai charities for abandoned children.

3. That I enjoy the sexual freedom and the girls at the Go Go bars that can only be found in Pattaya and Bangkok.

4. The last one I used was that I was married in Bangkok before, so I often travel here in order to reminisce the wedding to my departed wife.

So what should Monkeypaw say this time? Heck, after a few seconds of eerie silence, I just told her the truth. "I don't work. I don't go to school. Look at all these tattoos over my body. Who is going to hire me for a job?" (Honestly, I wanted to tell her, one of my nicknames is anh-Thai, so I'm thinking my daddy made Thailand as a place for me to find myself and play in) Then, I told her to look at some of those 30 day visa exempt stamps this year. 6 of those 10 stamps can be distinguished as coming from supervising immigration officers who have pulled me to the side, interviewed me, made a phone call or two, and then let me pass right along with their special stamp and a smile. I did however, left out the part that I heard the same words over and over again from them, "Please don't get in any more trouble with the police. " The lady immigration officer just sat there smiling, listening, and flipping through all the pages of my passport. As I spoke. She then finally said to me, "I think you come Thailand many. You sure you no have girlfriend here?" and then still stamped my passport for the 11th time this year. Monkeypaw just smiled back, took my passport, and said to her, "I do have girlfriend here. Her name Thailand. " Yep, immigration is entertaining as always, but this time it only took a few minutes and I was on my way.

For this trip, I decided to use the bus to shuttle to hotel service from BKK to Pattaya offered by Bell Travel. It was only 280 baht and offered a reclining seat so I can nap on the two hour ride. Could have paid 1000 baht for a private car, but those seats don't recline, plus I needed time to freshen up and eat after my long flight. Folks may wonder, MP, you aren't hurting for cash, why go cheap? Go reread the previous two sentences before this one and you will understand. To get to my level, you aren't stupid, logic m mind always rules. There is a reason and rationale for everything I do. It's all a part of a bigger plan that 99.9% of folks couldn't even begin to fathom and understand. Did I lose you yet? Even on ISG, all you have to do is look closely at my earliest posts, the attention it garnered, and follow me up until today. You then might be able to catch on that "the tortoise is about to whip ass on the hare. " Monkeypaw is that cold. By the way, while I was waiting on the bus and eating at the food court, I was approached by a very unattractive girl. She said to me "You don't remember me?" I frowned, shook my head, realizing she had no make up on and hoped it wasn't one the girls I took before in Bangkok. BB, can you guess who it was? Hint: meow meow (yeah don't want to see that without her liquid face with painted colors).

Now it's story time. Can I get a clap, your hands everybody. And everybody clap your hands? (By the way, does anyone know where that line came from?) It was famous movie 1980's movie that should have taught folks, brains over brawn, and having smarts can get you all the hot pussy in life. Here's a clip [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mRG2oAQhso[/URL] By the way, notice the "Blue M" at the beginning of the video. Might be important later on a pop quiz. Let's try to keep up and see how many underlying meanings you can get out of this report. There are so so many Blues Clues.

"Over 30 years ago, when I was but a tiny baby, I was crawling half naked onto a busy street in Bangkok. (This is when I would pretend to crawl with my hands and show a few baby pictures of me. The look on the faces of those who view these pictures were always were in awe at how cute the tiny version of Monkeypaw was a baby.) Then before I was about to get ran over and splatted on the road by a speeding tuk tuk, this tall farang tourist from America, from out of nowhere, ran towards me and scooped me away from the imminent danger. The curious and caring tall farang, then went searching for my parents only to find my two dirty brothers eating garbage and spoiled som tum out of a trash dumpster. My brothers didn't like to sharing with me, so that's why I had crawled away, alone, all by myself, (this is when I made a pouty face and kissy lip) in search of something to eat. I (would then rub my belly in front to say I was hungry.) To make a long story short, the then young, tall farang realized that we three were abandoned and orphaned, and adopted all of us, and sent us to different parts of the world to live a better life. Now we are all in Pattaya enjoying the end of the world as we know it."

The girls at the club would ask, who are your brothers? I would point to Phazze93 (staring back at me a little lost) and to Lew Ashby (too busy trying to grab titties). And this is our dad, pointing to FL Hawk, who was sitting there minding his own business sipping on a Diet Coke. When asked, the guys played along graciously with this story. Even FL Hawk told them, "Look at us now, I have definitely failed as a father. " The girls would smile, laugh, and roll their eyes at me all at once. But heck, it only takes one sucker out of the bunch to believe that story and give MP the experience of a lifetime, or not. Actually, all it was, is a subliminal call out that can be heard loud and clear to the hottest girls in that bunch or any bunch. They know, "this guy here obviously has alot of game and he is the one I want to play with, win lose, or draw. " This is the story we stuck with from bar to bar on this trip, when the girls we were drinking with at the Go Go bars asked how do we knew each other? It was always the Paw, also known under many nicknames as MP, Monkeypaw, Monkey, anh-Thai, Doc, Ducky, Mouse, Ut Deus, and perhaps one more name that some of you may already know, meeting up with good ole dad, FL Hawk, and my two bros Phazze93 and Lew Ashby, with visits from our long lost cousin Banana Boi, and even a guest appearance from time to time by Dart13, our Russian bodyguard. We were an odd looking bunch strolling on Walking Street, but things were always kept interesting, especially at Palace.

So since we are on the topic of games and hustle. For those who are scared to death to step into a top club like Palace because you fear these girls, there's not much to be said. The fear is real, the best and hottest girls will take your lunch, eat it, and share with their friends while watching you starve to slow and painful death. It's probably better that you just sit behind the computer and play "keyboard cowboy" and make up as many (as Bruce likes to say) yippee ki-yay excuses as you can not to venture into places like this. If money is the issue, then say money is the issue. But don't for an instant, think that these girls aren't top notch at their game, not hot enough, or not smarter than those of you that aren't even brave enough to play with them. So silly tricks like carrying a photoshopped doctor's note saying you don't have a disease in order to get BBFS will get you laughed by all the girls at Palace, which means ran out of Walking Street. But heck, if you got big balls that hang low enough, you can still try it. Just make sure you tuck those low hangers in to hide me. Also let me know when. And if it works, Monkeypaw will be the first one to download Adobe Acrobat software. Until then, some of us, will however, take a moment in silence, to listen to any other concerns and woes, you may have for not showing up. Moment over.

Also, I'll let Phazze93, FL Hawk, and Lew Ashby give details to what happened when they try to play with the top end trophy girls. At least I will give them a chance to speak out first to tell their side of the story. But hopefully, doing this in person with the Paw, one can really appreciate how in the fuck do I run all this game on the girls and get away with it. I'm that good. And I've been told by so many people even outside P4 P and all aspects of life as well. I once had this white girl in college turned herself into a stripper to paid for my apartment, food, and bills, while I was lazy doing nothing. My dad said, why you let this poor girl do this with all that you have. Devil made me do it dad was my only excuse. (But it was really me testing my game at an early age) Anyways back to my new found friends. These guys came with a shit load of money in their pockets, that made Monkeypaw's wallet seemed slim and my own budget of 8,000 baht a night seemed small. But of course, I'm not a weekend warrior or sex tourist on a holiday. I do this shit almost every fucking day and the 8,000 baht a day budget is just my daily fee for entertainment and almost like gym membership which gives me access to 2 hours of cardio with a sexy girl each night. One of us had so much money that "somebody" dropped a stack of it and was called back by a door girl to pick it up. Wonder, if you weren't with MP, you think they would have been called to back? Do you think we would have gotten all that prime seating with the excellent views in the middle of the bars? Only God knows right? All I can say, is I'm glad everybody who I met had a good and entertaining time. Yes, FL Hawk, the cool wet napkins is for customers they deem important. And that was you that night. Sorry, about the confusion there. By the way, I use those to wipe my shoes clean.

Now moving on to more important things. Monkeypaw always comes prepared to play games back with everybody who wants to play with him. And by everybody, I mean everybody. Be honest, yes even you, Lew, FL, Phazze, and BB. Do you guys ever get this feeling that Monkeypaw is fucking with all of us, just like he is fucking around with all the girls? Hahaha, you'll never know. But it's fun though, right? And like I told you all before, I bring LIFE to everything and everybody around me. It's entertainment from this world that we live in. And one day soon, you will really know what this world is and you will appreciate our time together. This time, on the menu for our fun and entertainment at the Go Go clubs were the following.

1. Cockroaches being thrown into the lady drinks. Yeah, MP and the rest of the guys really doesn't give a fuck.

2. Scorpions and centipedes being thrown on stages full of dancing and then screaming girls.

3. Go Go dancers, waitresses, mamasans, security, and random customers (whom we don't even know) getting electrocuted and shocked by lighters and laser pointers.

4. Girls hair getting pulled to make sure it's real and not fake extensions.

5. Dancers getting stung and popped in the ass with 20 baht missiles being launched by our hand made rubber band sling shots. FL for being in his 60's was popping them in their asses the hardest that it left red marks.

6. Miniature vibrators attacking the girls in the clubs, along with some wandering hands.

7. Buzzing cock rings handed to a few waitresses a souvenirs from Monkeypaw. That's is as close to an orgasm that these waitresses will get from me.

8. And to Lew, Monkeypaw two paws up for you. You've got some balls for riding fat bull like that. We were just joking. See how this Monkeypaw thing works?

9. And there was also some dancing on the stage when it was full of girls going on at Palace (I shall keep it anonymous, but not me).

10. And lastly, for the lucky girls that get chosen to go with me, the sex toys in my room and snake in the shower awaited you after all the above has been witnessed. But yet they still go, why? Because I am Monkeypaw and I do this shit for a living.

And I will ask you all this. You all had a feeling that all the other customers hated the attention we got, plus some of the girls were annoyed, right? But the whole time, you always felt safe with Monkeypaw and it was going to be just fine. The girls you chose still came when we called them and nobody was going to give us any trouble or kick us out, right? That's what is called respect , knowing that you are in the company of presence of something so much bigger than you, or what Monkeypaw likes to call a bigger spirit. You can look it as MP raises hell or brings LIFE to everywhere I go. Whatever you want to call it, you will NEVER call it boredom. In case you are unsure, ask FL Hawk, somebody who is twice his 3 adopted sons' age, who is typically reserved as a corpse, coming out of his shell to thoroughly enjoy himself with us, and living it up Monkeypaw style. I keep telling folks that Monkeypaw has the ability and power to get people to come out of their cocoon, become brave, and do some things that they are not accustomed to. But have peace of mind in knowing, that perhaps you aren't the only one, and even Monkeypaw has done more embarrassing things as well. Not many people have stripped down to their boxer shorts in front of Citibank at Asoke junction in hopes of transforming in an angel and flying away. Perhaps, a story for another night, or perhaps not.

To be continued.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2255168]I largely agree, too. But when I referred to a "True GFE", I was mostly using that as a euphemism for what matters to me; BBFS+CIP. [/QUOTE]If that is the case then 90% of the hookers that I meet in Thailand and P. I. are true GFE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256780]If that is the case then 90% of the hookers that I meet in Thailand and P. I. are true GFE.[/QUOTE]That was certainly my experience in the P. I., too. But not in Thailand. If 90% of the hookers I have met (and wanted to have sex with) in Thailand offered or accepted BBFS+CIP, that would mean BBFS+CIP was as standard in Thailand's P4P scene as it is in the P. I., which I never found to be the case for me. I could never rely on 90% of the Thai P4P girls I want to have sex with agreeing to BBFS+CIP. Certainly not for the going rate at a given venue or slightly above the going rate.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]I never like posting photos of girls I know but here are some Pattaya bar girls. These are not even gogo girls but rather just from local Pattaya area bars. I'm pretty sure most guys would consider paying 1000 baht for them. Am I correct? I'm very glad these girls can't cut it in BKK and have to come to Pattaya. I personally have yet to meet a girl as pretty as A1 in Bangkok. Please help me and let me where I can find one.[/QUOTE]All well above average and all with the semi westernised look I think. Yes girls prettier than A1 do exist, although hard to find I guess, try Billboard. I can't name a specific one that is still to be found. 2 or 3 Crazy House girls long gone were that pretty to my taste at least (maybe less westernised). You have seen pic of Donut my favourite in the past. I actually slightly prefer A4, I think with a very natural look, and definitely don't go for the "Morticia Adams" white sharp face and with exaggerated eyes. I would not give a second glance to A3 either. Just not the style I like.

Yes I agree, not easy to do better in Bangkok bars and especially not in MPs.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256790]That was certainly my experience in the P. I., too. But not in Thailand. If 90% of the hookers I have met (and wanted to have sex with) in Thailand offered or accepted BBFS+CIP, that would mean BBFS+CIP was as standard in Thailand's P4P scene as it is in the P. I., which I never found to be the case for me. I could never rely on 90% of the Thai P4P girls I want to have sex with agreeing to BBFS+CIP. Certainly not for the going rate at a given venue or slightly above the going rate.[/QUOTE]Well there is the difference. You are going on the offering accepting agreeing principle which ruins the mood. You are making it transactional. I just say lets go fuck and see what leads to what.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256824]Well there is the difference. You are going on the offering accepting agreeing principle which ruins the mood. You are making it transactional. I just say lets go fuck and see what leads to what.[/QUOTE]If I were fine with choosing primarily random girls on the street, I wouldn't care about what leads to what either. I would also just say let's go fuck. And then if at crunch time in the room the girl refuses to fuck me bareback or give me a proper blowjob, I could just say, "No problem. Nice chatting with you. Bye."

However, if I am more into girls for whom buying a Lady Drink, paying a barfine and assuming to pay at least some basic amount of fee to her, I see little reason to pay all that upfront just to see what happens. Particularly since if at least one of those two above things doesn't happen, I won't be engaging in sex to completion. Besides, it is so easy to get "what happens" cleared up prior to spending much of anything. And with dating site girls there is almost no reason not to cover everything from shaved pussy to BBFS+CIP to BBBJ+CIM (and often Swallow) before I spend so much as a baht.

Meanwhile, I don't "need" to have 90% of the Thai girls I meet agree to BBFS+CIP with me and still have a life filled with so many cute young girls of my taste willing to do that with me I could fill a month with a different one every day and not repeat one. Then there would likely be all new ones on the roster by the end of that month. My rate of success on that count seems to be high enough without reaching 90% of every Thai girl I meet to make it very, very easy to walk away from a girl who does not respond well to my so-called transactional approach and find another one who will.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2256797] Yes girls prettier than A1 do exist
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I actually slightly prefer A4, [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]
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I personally have yet to meet a girl as pretty as A1 in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I like A1 and A4 too but they look very much alike. Aren't they one and the same?

And I like A5 as well. A2 and A3 don't do it for me.