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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1995964]Bad if security sides with her.[/QUOTE]I don't know. I was at the Dynasty Grande once and some Indian guy was staying in the room next to me. He took a chick to his room and since it was quiet in my room, I could hear them through the walls. He promised her 4000 baht if she would do anal and she agreed. He then screwed for for over an hour (it was loud). At the end, he only gave her 1500 baht and she was livid. He told her she wasn't worth 4000. She kept yelling "I let you fuck my ass for one hour! The girl called hotel security and they came up and sided with the Indian dude. Totally wrong in my opinion. I didn't get involved, but I can understand how these girls get tainted attitudes with customers like that.
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[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1995761]Security has little English ability and he doesn't side with the customer.
I had a bad fuck and she refused to leave without tips. I had to call security and security won't do nothing and I had to push her out myself. What a mess.
I did pay the girl before hand (mistake) and she want extra money for everything else other than basic sex and she want tips later.
[/QUOTE]This is very bad from security there. I hope you have learned your lesson, Never pay in advance.
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[QUOTE=Smoothy;1996051]I don't know. I was at the Dynasty Grande once and some Indian guy was staying in the room next to me. He took a chick to his room and since it was quiet in my room, I could hear them through the walls. He promised her 4000 baht if she would do anal and she agreed. He then screwed for for over an hour (it was loud). At the end, he only gave her 1500 baht and she was livid. He told her she wasn't worth 4000. She kept yelling "I let you fuck my ass for one hour! The girl called hotel security and they came up and sided with the Indian dude. Totally wrong in my opinion. I didn't get involved, but I can understand how these girls get tainted attitudes with customers like that.[/QUOTE]I did ask what he paid to see if he was honest or not. So I take your point.
However Hotel security are nit the domestoc squabble and money police. They are there to keep out or eject undesirables. Maybe the security were promised a tip if the "lady" got her extra money. The customer would not know.
Thai culture is strange. If a man is bashing his wife, police do not like to intervene.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1995964]Bad if security sides with her.
Where did the girl come from and how much did you pay her? OK I see in other thread was an independent Escort?
Most likely a lady of the "2nd type". Mostly the online ads even say so.
I have never ever had such a problem with a girl.[/QUOTE]I paid 7000 for 2 hours even before we started, and she immediately demand more tips, and she knows I am a newbie and she asked to confirm.
That was a completely failed session as you see in the other thread for online ads. I learned my lesson.
The security later admitted the mistake and told me he didn't know what to do in that situation, but now he promised to do what I request next time. I am not so sure, so I booked another hotel for last night. That's another report in the making, much better session but not without problems. Still learning.
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[QUOTE=ChristianG;1996056]This is very bad from security there. I hope you have learned your lesson, Never pay in advance.[/QUOTE]Why? Either he checked her in and she then becomes a guest or he didn't check her in and he has brought her to the room, isn't he then responsible for getting her out? Its basically a commercial dispute so why is it security that has to resolve it? If the argument became violent then I would expect security to become involved. If I were security I would offer to call the police and see who chickens out first. Anyway listen to the guy, he is worried about his safety? Try not bringing strangers to your room? Get a short time hotel, oh wait it would probably be cheaper just to tip her and be done with it. The reality is the hotel isn't involved in the negotiation so its up to the guy to sort out his own problems.
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[QUOTE=GDreams;1996319]Why? Either he checked her in and she then becomes a guest or he didn't check her in and he has brought her to the room, isn't he then responsible for getting her out? Its basically a commercial dispute so why is it security that has to resolve it? If the argument became violent then I would expect security to become involved. If I were security I would offer to call the police and see who chickens out first. Anyway listen to the guy, he is worried about his safety? Try not bringing strangers to your room? Get a short time hotel, oh wait it would probably be cheaper just to tip her and be done with it. The reality is the hotel isn't involved in the negotiation so its up to the guy to sort out his own problems.[/QUOTE]So how do I get her out when there is argument, should I punch her in the face? I think security should at least take the person out of my room, and then mediate between two parties. Security should never leave guests fighting with each other. I thought this is common sense in western world, no? Short time hotel may be an option in the future, but I prefer a nice room. Even if its a short time room, how am I supposed to get her out if security doesn't intervene?
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[QUOTE=GDreams;1996319]Why? Either he checked her in and she then becomes a guest or he didn't check her in and he has brought her to the room, isn't he then responsible for getting her out? Its basically a commercial dispute so why is it security that has to resolve it? If the argument became violent then I would expect security to become involved. If I were security I would offer to call the police and see who chickens out first. Anyway listen to the guy, he is worried about his safety? Try not bringing strangers to your room? Get a short time hotel, oh wait it would probably be cheaper just to tip her and be done with it. The reality is the hotel isn't involved in the negotiation so its up to the guy to sort out his own problems.[/QUOTE]How would you define violence? What about the person lean on my door and wouldn't move? I think it would be too late if there is violence. Security should prevent the violence from happening which is not the case here.
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[QUOTE=GDreams;1996319]Why? Either he checked her in and she then becomes a guest or he didn't check her in and he has brought her to the room, isn't he then responsible for getting her out? Its basically a commercial dispute so why is it security that has to resolve it? If the argument became violent then I would expect security to become involved. If I were security I would offer to call the police and see who chickens out first. Anyway listen to the guy, he is worried about his safety? Try not bringing strangers to your room? Get a short time hotel, oh wait it would probably be cheaper just to tip her and be done with it. The reality is the hotel isn't involved in the negotiation so its up to the guy to sort out his own problems.[/QUOTE]Its true that Thais don't like to get involved in domestic disputes. I suspect that someone needs to get paid in order to be willing to help forcibly evict the girl. LOL.
Anyway he could call security to come into his room, and then push her out himself. Security could then get involved if unable to ignore it any more.
If I was in the situation I would consider calling the tourist police and reporting that hotel security was unwilling to get the unwanted person out of the room.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1996386]Its true that Thais don't like to get involved in domestic disputes. I suspect that someone needs to get paid in order to be willing to help forcibly evict the girl. LOL.
Anyway he could call security to come into his room, and then push her out himself. Security could then get involved if unable to ignore it any more.
If I was in the situation I would consider calling the tourist police and reporting that hotel security was unwilling to get the unwanted person out of the room.[/QUOTE]I did tip the security when I check in and I'll definitely tip him again if he had done the right thing.
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[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1996330]How would you define violence? What about the person lean on my door and wouldn't move? I think it would be too late if there is violence. Security should prevent the violence from happening which is not the case here.[/QUOTE]Hitting scratching or other physical assault, I once saw a guy in Dar es Salaam being accosted by 2 girls in the hotel lobby after a payment dispute, he wasn't coming out on the right side of it, fortunately he run faster than they did. How did you resolve it if security didn't get involved? Usually it is either negotiate a settlement, ring up reception and ask for another room, trickery or corralling. If you are really annoyed and are prepared for the aggravation involve the police, but the outcome will not always be what you desire.
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[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1996325]So how do I get her out when there is argument, should I punch her in the face? I think security should at least take the person out of my room, and then mediate between two parties. Security should never leave guests fighting with each other. I thought this is common sense in western world, no? [/QUOTE]You are not in western world, it's Thailand. It's always better to pay and get out of the argument. There are so many incidents where end result is the non-thai gets beaten to bloody pulp by 10-20 thais popping out of nowhere. You got lucky she didn't had any "brothers". Thai's don't give rats ass whether you are elderly, differently abled, autistic or poor, they will beat the shit out of you if you get in the way of their money.
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[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1996663]You are not in western world, it's Thailand. It's always better to pay and get out of the argument. There are so many incidents where end result is the non-thai gets beaten to bloody pulp by 10-20 thais popping out of nowhere. You got lucky she didn't had any "brothers". Thai's don't give rats ass whether you are elderly, differently abled, autistic or poor, they will beat the shit out of you if you get in the way of their money.[/QUOTE]So we are supposed to pay whatever they asked for? Do you know that she was asking for 3000 for tips after a very bad session? Is that robbery?
I never saw any violence mentioned in this thread, and generally Thai are peaceful. Where do you get the idea that 20+ Thai brothers beat somebody in the hotel? Are you talking about Columbia or some south american countries?
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[QUOTE=GDreams;1996557]Hitting scratching or other physical assault, I once saw a guy in Dar es Salaam being accosted by 2 girls in the hotel lobby after a payment dispute, he wasn't coming out on the right side of it, fortunately he run faster than they did. How did you resolve it if security didn't get involved? Usually it is either negotiate a settlement, ring up reception and ask for another room, trickery or corralling. If you are really annoyed and are prepared for the aggravation involve the police, but the outcome will not always be what you desire.[/QUOTE]Got you, so short time hotel next time. I can just run away if there is a dispute LOL. I am sure I can run over a girl with high heel.
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[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1996701]
I never saw any violence mentioned in this thread, and generally Thai are peaceful. [/QUOTE]Peaceful? LOL I think is better you start to read some news from Thailand.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjyArvoCCFI[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tHVcerUnvk[/URL]
[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;1996701]Where do you get the idea that 20+ Thai brothers beat somebody in the hotel? [/QUOTE]Inside hotel maybe not, but outside is not a problem for them.
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[QUOTE=ChristianG;1996844]Peaceful? LOL I think is better you start to read some news from Thailand.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjyArvoCCFI[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tHVcerUnvk[/URL]
Inside hotel maybe not, but outside is not a problem for them.[/QUOTE]Well that's why I stayed in my hotel in the hope that the security will be able to call police or stop the gangsters. And I only let one woman in not a bunch of thugs.
I read the post and everybody is saying don't over pay and don't pay before, so if you can't stand your ground but have to be ready to give in anytime, how were you able to not overpay or get robbed.
In this case, I already paid her before the deed, and she wanted another 3 k in tips after a very bad session. I am not paying that and that's what everybody should do, right?
