Bangkok Reports

Hello everyone,

Just returned last month from a long time trip to Bangkok. Want to say thank you for all the useful information. I've been in the hobby for many years but can't as much anymore due to SO reasons. Figure I detail out my "free" nights and some (hopefully) helpful details for some newbies. This is not my first time in Thailand, but the first time I had the ability to enjoy the hobby over there.

Let me preface this by a few things. What I look for is connection, not just "Wang, Bang, Thank you Ma'am". I get "hall passes" from the SO to go out, just as long as I don't bring back anything. I'm creeping up on 40 and in decent shape. Money is (thankfully) not something I negotiate a lot for. So understand this ahead of time as I write this out. Was in Bangkok for a month and got 2-3 hall passes, here are a few reports.

First Pass: Thursday Night. Went out to Soi Cowboy and just walked around a bit. I don't drink alcohol so I mostly stay with juices (pineapple if available) and sparkling / regular water. Dodged the "Arab" bars due to obvious reasons and decided to check out Crazy House. I've visited a few times but nothing really caught my eye in the past. This time there was a girl named "Nana", HUGE MM DD's and a VERY fit ass. She noticed me when I walked in and winked at me, pulled her right off stage and paid for a lady drink. Her English was good and we just started flirting. Took me upstairs to the second floor as it was a little quieter. Got touchy with each other and then she stopped as she said "she makes a mess". That was that! I asked how much for two shots and 1-2 hours of her time (again can't do long times), we negotiated 4,000 for two hours and 2-3 shots, if time permits.

Got to a short time hotel and took a shower (one of a 100 you end up taking daily in Bangkok) and we just went to town on each other. Went through a few acronyms before the cover came on. I'm decently sized but have the girth! She even offered to BB for an extra 1000, but I declined (if only I was single LOL). She took it all like a champ for round 1 and 2 and she wasn't lying about making a mess! We had 30 minutes left and the sheets were soaked. Went for round 3 and she did her best to keep up and finished in K9. Rested for a bit and went over our time. Took a shower and said our goodbyes. Told her I would be back in a few days or a week. I fucked up and didn't get her line info, read on to see why!

Second Pass: Friday Night. A little over a week later, went back to Soi Cowboy's Crazy House. Asked for Nana, was told she wasn't working there anymore (NOOOOOO). My disappointment was immeasurable and I thought my day was ruined. I just sat back and watched the talent. Girls one after another kept coming up and I rejected them, nothing came close to what I wanted. Then after an hour, an 8/10 walked onto the stage. Nice fit butt with some MM see's with no baby damage (can you all tell the trend of my type). Pulled her down, her name was "Arya / Aria. Some variation of it). Bought her two lady drinks this time to keep Mama-san from getting angry at them. Went upstairs yet again and told her I was actually here to see "Nana" but she doesn't work there anymore. She laughed and said that she is starting her own business or something but assured me she was a good time. Negotiated a bit for the same 2 hour block with 2-3 shots, time permitting, for 3500.

Arrived at the same short time hotel and showered up. I went straight into her ass and ate her from behind. Had her sit on my face a bit and she orgasmed (or faked it, they are Pro's LOL), wet as a baby seal! She did this P2 P slide which was nice, and had a small stint of BBFS. She asked if I wanted to continue or wanted a cover. I asked for the cover (I KNOW! Can't bring anything back with me! Entered her in mish with her legs on my shoulders. The only downside was that she was in a little pain because of the girth, but she championed through. After round 2, we had about 45 minutes left and she kept saying "I die". Thanks for the ego boost! Told her I wanted one more and she obliged but was exhausted. Went in doggy and putt a finger inside her ass. She looked back at me with the most devilish look I've ever seen and asked me if I wanted to put it inside for a little Greek. She wanted another 1000, I agreed and she lubed up. Went REALLY slow at first and then got it all in. She looked to enjoy it and she took it all in good stride. Sped up and ended round 3 inside her ass (covered). It would be another two weeks before I get another pass!

Third Pass: Wednesday afternoon. I was in RCA plaza / center enjoying the afternoon and saw an add on my phone for slightly upscale massage named Bonnie RCA. I checked the forums and couldn't find anything about them. Decided to TOFTT and visited. They don't have a website but they do have a LINE ID that you can ask for the daily Lineup. I asked to see Cherry and Ruby as they both fit my type. Neither were available that day so they brough a line up of beautiful ladies. One stood out, named Olive. Short, cute, and spoke decent English. MM small see's and a cute fit butt. Paid for a three hour window (they sell either 60 or 90 minutes) I decided for a 3 hour B2 B massage. I told her right when we entered what I wanted. Negotiated another 3 k (was a bit pricey as the massage was 2. 5 k).

She undressed me and was surprised I was already standing at attention. She was a bit shocked at the girth (she said her boyfriends / clients are usually Chinese and are significantly smaller). I undressed her and what a body! FLAT stomach with a cute little butt. Not shaved, but a VERY attractive pussy! Needless to say I DATY's for a bit, even got a bit of DATO. She lubed up a bit more and covered me up, it definitely took her a bit to adjust to me. I will say, Olive rode me like a stallion! Flat footed and bottomed out on me, kept hinting at some anal but she was not budging. I KNOW she definitely had an orgasm as I could feel the convulsions. Two rounds down and not a lot of time left, she went in for a BBBJ. I flat out asked for anal and that I would tip another 1000 if I could get it all the way in. She again said no but offered BBFS. Told her I couldn't but did a little P2 P to get me riled up. K9 again to completion and made out like teenagers after.

All in all, I had a great time! I know some fellow hobbyists are probably saying I paid too much. All good! I enjoyed everything and to be honest paying a bit more than the average doesn't bother me. If you compare prices to where I live, I had three AMAZING experiences for pretty much the same price as one / two where I live. I even snagged a few pictures / videos (with consent of course)!

Hope this helps and can't wait to come back again.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2985004]"here's 500 baht for your troubles and there's the door. " Spoiler alert, I'm not the nicest guy you've ever met, haha. Anyway, I feel like this could work, and who knows, maybe it will all go off without a hitch![/QUOTE]So, uh, yeah, going to dial it back a few notches. Thing I came into this city with an attitude that needs to be nocked down a few pegs, and for good reason. I'll leave a short field report to explain.

So, I waltz into Thermae last night earlyish, around 9:30, and there are not suprisingly less people there than the previous weekend nights I had checked it out closer to midnight. I head to the counter to grab a coke, tip the waiter 20 baht with my change, and he's super appreciative yet once again. I'm sure the local Thai people can forgive us westerners for our tipping culture, it's too late for us at this point in that regard. Anyway I start doing the ol' clockwise loops to see what women are willing to make eye contact with me and which aren't. Of course there's a gaggle of older ones trying depserately to meet my stare as I'm searching for a bit of a younger bird than my own age. After doing multiple loops I just can't shake the feeling I get when I look at this one tiny exotic looking thing. She looks like what I imagine Melville saw when shored on the Marquesas and lived with the Tai Pi people for a few months hundreds of years ago. She smiled at me on every loop. Strangely enough, I would only rate her a 6 by universal standards, but she had a 7 face for sure, and her hair was perfect, like movie star, perfect. She also had a certain ineffable quality, let's say. The face of innnocence itself. I walk up to her like a towering dope, and sign a "4" with my hands to signal 4 K, and she just kinda looks at me and says "what?" She speaks english. Not perfect english, but she speaks english. So I said "4,000 Baht" not even Hello, just that, and she was like "okay, you want me to go with you?" I said yes, and then, again, like a dope, I introduce myself and then we both start to make our way to the door after I inform her of which hotel we are heading towards. We grab a taxi, because she's in heels, and a long dress. Dressed like a lady. In the cab we chit-chat, and it comes out that she is 28, (I thought she was 21 max), which is fine. So, she's a little closer to my maturity level, especially considering that I'm a bit stunted in that regard.

We get to the hotel, and this is where my dogshit negotiation tactic that I had set out to try that night failed HARD. She asks about a condom, and of course, being a lying little rat (I feel as if the only truth I owe a woman I will only know for a night, is if I have any diseases, which I don't) I tell her I don't have a condom, because, you know, I want to be all up in those sugar walls. Her face instantly changed, and she started talking about leaving, herself, without me, to go get condoms and that she will be right back. I pause, not really knowing what to do. She looks at me, and speaks to me, like a man would, not emotionally charged, just truth, and says "I would never have sex without a condom. " Fuck. Truth be told, I am a decent guy, and I'm not going to try and talk a woman out of a completely cogent, and well posititioned regard, that affects her health and longevity. So, because I had this dimwit idea of just strong arming the situation with money, I told her that I was deeply sorry for having waster her time, gave her 1000 baht, and said we can just part ways. Here is where things take a curious turn, because I speak "woman. ".

She seems not completely upset but obviusly annoyed. Again, she looks dead into my eyes, and speaks to me like a man, not emotionally charged, just truth. She tells me "you know you should have discussed this with me before we left the club. " I think, why is she hanging around? She could head back to the club now and have made 1000 baht in 30 minutes and not have even smudged her makeup. So, my conscience gets to me, and I decide to do "the right thing," whatever the fuck that is any given moment to a piece of meat with electricity running through it (me.) I go over and lay down another 3,000 Baht next to her purse, I again apologize for wasting her time. At this point I already know she's in my net, and I know that I'm way better looking than 90 percent of those guys in Thermae, even though suprisingly, many of those dudes are quite young by punter standards. Imagine if you were a guy that woman had paid for sex, and fuck it, let's say she's a 2, you're all hard and ready to go, and right before you stick it in, she's like "nah, actually, here's the money, you can go, no thank you. " She looks at the 4,000 Baht, and says something to the effect of "well how about I hang out for a while, I don't want you to pay without getting anything. " A woman with a sense of duty, gentlemen, a woman with a sense of duty. So I say sure, and withing 30 seconds I'm like "how's about a blowjob. " She agrees, again, looking a bit annoyed but not angry, and she disrobes and gets to it.

The blowjob, oh man. I think this woman had chemistry with me, hell I KNOW I had chemistry with her. Eye contact, intermittent and suprising deep throating, sensual. I should also note that this is AFTER she carefully inspected my dick, also noticing my vasectomy scar which I had mentioned the operation earlier, and asking me if I was clean. Anyway, she's blowing me, but I just can't fucking stand it. I have to fuck this woman. So here's where she figures out I'm a lying little rat, but she's in my web now so oh well. When she previously asked why I didn't want to use a condom I basically said "boohoo, it's because I'm old and can't keep it up. " which is a lie. Anyway I stop the blowjob, and say let's see if I can keep it up to keep the lie alive, go over and grab the thinnest condom on the market out of the side table, lube up, and honestly I'm kind of excited because I've never tried this brand before and I'm ready to go. This was like sex on date with a woman you actually like, passionate, kissing, looking into each others eyes. Even with the hat it was a great experience, and I think I learned a lot overall on how I want to conduct myself going forward.

Anyway, by the time we are all showered up and she's leaving, it's like watch a scene in a fucking sitcom where two people are actually fond of eachothers company. I'm putting lotion on her back, she's laughing, we cuddle, etc. She looks at me one last time to speak to me like a man would, and says something to the effect of "you are my type, and if we hadn't met in the cafe and under the cirucumstances maybe we could have dated. " This was unsolicited, I never say shit like that to women I pay, because my days of simpling died in my 20's. Like, she was super honest, and basically said there's obviously going to be no future now because you paid me for access to my vagina, but that she found me handsome and to be a gentleman. Actions have consequences gentlemen, and while I accept mine, I kind of left that encounter feeling alive, like I was part of the world again.

I'm not sure if this sort of report is warranted or welcomed here, but there it is. For 4,000 Baht you might just meet special woman, only to never see her again. She taught herself english. She was uttelrly unique looking. She was 41 kg. She was a 6 by your standards, and a 10 by mine. Over and out.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2985004]Thanks, EverythingThai! I am definitely going to hit up those spots before I make my exit. I'm also committed to making this a yearly trip.

So, I'd figure I would kind of test the waters here about negotiating tactics with women. For example, I remember my bud telling me about this business meeting / client meeting where he was given a list of 6 things he needed to walk away with in the final agreement. His employed tactic was to create 12 bullshit requests, and add that to the 6 requests that he actually needed. After hours of "deliberation" he walked way getting the 6 things he needed to accomplish, and the other side felt like they had driven a hard bargain by defeating 12 of his "other" requests. I would have never came up with this on my own.

Now with women, I'm considering a different approach in Thermae. I'm going to offer right off the bat the high average that I hear they are asking for, from one of the one's that smiles and makes eye contact with me. Korean Ice-Queens need not apply. Anyway, my tactic is just going to be to offer that, and then start heading to the hotel. No discussion of time, or specific requests. I am then going to maintain a hard stance of only payment after, and if I don't get what I want, (not asking for anything crazy here, just boiler plate sex) "here's 500 baht for your troubles and there's the door. " Spoiler alert, I'm not the nicest guy you've ever met, haha. Anyway, I feel like this could work, and who knows, maybe it will all go off without a hitch!

I just wanted to further compare notes on tactics for getting what you want as painlessly and carefree as possible with the available talent.[/QUOTE]You're thinking too hard on this. 'negotiating' is really only changing like by 500 baht or something. Thermae girls are more expensive than a girl on the street, but its still reasonable price, easily negotiable for a westerner. As was brought up in another post, yes, they like asian men because they can scam them for more and its easier in the bedroom, but generally at thermae, their clients are older english / aussie / etc men who are in the mongering scene in Bangkok. Its not a big deal to negotiate there, and they arent going to say no, they want money and they want to get a client so that they can come back down and try to get another or go home for the night after their 1 and done.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2985173]You're thinking too hard on this. 'negotiating' is really only changing like by 500 baht or something. Thermae girls are more expensive than a girl on the street, but its still reasonable price, easily negotiable for a westerner. As was brought up in another post, yes, they like asian men because they can scam them for more and its easier in the bedroom, but generally at thermae, their clients are older english / aussie / etc men who are in the mongering scene in Bangkok. Its not a big deal to negotiate there, and they arent going to say no, they want money and they want to get a client so that they can come back down and try to get another or go home for the night after their 1 and done.[/QUOTE]Having dealt with Asians in the business world my observation was they detested the idea that they were not getting a better deal than their Caucasion counterparts. They were not the least bit shy about negotiating and extending it into the wee hours of the morning until they got there. As long as they know they are getting it cheaper all is well, no need to negotiate further.

This concept of charging a Caucasion or non Asian more and having it be fairly well known that is what often happens in Thermae can only serve a hooker in there well in terms of scoring an Asian customer who won't bother to negotiate whatever amount she quotes.

An additional 500 baht or even 1000 baht to get what I want with a girl I want it with isn't going to chase me away in a place where there is already no need to buy a LD or pay a barfine. But it can mean a lot to some Asian punter to know or at least hear that is what the same girl is charging me vs them. If they ever take a girl knowing she was with me before, that is. Which is doubtful in its own regard, but a different topic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2984907]My girlfriend picks my dirty clothes up to wash and iron them and always has them back within 2 hours. No idea how. She said she wants me to look good when I am out butterflying. She seems surprised when I am not with another chick. The other day she asked who keeps leaving those short hairs in my room.[/QUOTE]That sounds all fun untill the day you wake up screaming with your dick in her hands cut off your body.

My last post on here was about fiwfans.

Apparently the cops shut that down soon after but I still had the contacts in Line.

My first experience was great; clean, professional, good service, spoke English.

But since then, it went downhill fast.

There's a hotel full of them quite near my place, so, I thought.

Probably better not to shit on my doorstep but it's too easy to refuse.

The second girl I went to see looked nothing like her pictures.

But I'd worked myself up for the meeting.

So I went ahead and did it anyway.

My third experience was today.

Turned up on time.

She came down one flight of stairs to let me in about 10 minutes later.

Immediately in the room she started complaining about me having a big dick.

(Should have just left then really).

So we undressed, the phone rang, the postman was downstairs.

She wanders off, I start getting up to leave, thinking I've been scammed.

She comes back, complains about the big dick some more.

Does a 3 second BJ, then points to her mouth and says there's something wrong.

She doesn't want to be touched or kissed, which is the total opposite to what was in the ad.

So I spent a few minutes trying to get turned on by this uninteresting creature.

And finally gave up and got dressed.

I said 'You should probably get a different job. I don't think this one suits you'.

She didn't understand. And I didn't care.

1000 baht down the drain.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2985114]I have been going to Thaniya around once a month for awhile now, as a white guy. Many (most?) of the shops accept westerners now because the Japanese have largely stopped coming (it's cheaper to fuck in Japan now than on Thaniya due to the weakening yen). The system is pretty much the same throughout the whole street: short time 3500-4000 baht, barfine (called paybar there) 800-1200 depending on negotiating skills & how much you drink. Each shop has all you can drink for 700/ hour or so. There are lady drinks but every girl I've been with there drinks like 3-4 LDs in 2 hours, so it's not a big focus / hustle there, as at most shops you're also paying a few hundred baht / hour fee for the girl to sit with you. But as usual if they sense you are a pushover they may try to get you to order shots for the shop or something. It is perfectly acceptable to ask the mama-san which girls can go short time before you choose a girl or even enter the shop. However it's not really acceptable to ask mama-san if a girl can do things like CIM, BBFS, threesome, etc. At some shops you can take the girl out immediately, but some will insist you drink for an hour or two first. There is a short-time hotel nearby.

It used to be that most westerners would balk at the 5000 thb pricetag for ST there, but that's essentially what many Gogos are trying to charge now (e. G. , 4 k ST + 1 k barfine). If you drink for 2-3 hours then take a girl ST, you are likely paying around 7-10 k all in. So it's not a cheap location. I never do LT so can't comment on that. All in all it can be worth it, as a few shops have selections of 30+ girls on Friday / Saturday nights, which is more than many Gogos and the girls tend to be younger & prettier, though suited to Japanese tastes (which is also what I prefer), and better trained like you may see at gentlemen clubs in Japan (e. G. , light your cigarette, pour your drink, feed you by hand, wait for you outside the bathroom with a hot towel, etc.). If you find a good girl you want to see again in the future, every single one I've asked has accepted 3000 to come visit me again at my place. I speak enough Thai but each place usually has a few girls who can speak a little English.

Don't be afraid to give it a go, just be clear with the mama-san you want a girl who can go short-time. The most beautiful girls will almost never immediately offer short-time, you'll need to take the gamble that they like you enough after 1-2 hours of drinking, and realistically those ones will only go with Asian guys, so I generally don't bother (I only choose girls who can go ST). Also worth keeping in mind that the shops on Thaniya close early for nightlife establishments, at midnight.[/QUOTE]My experience has been mamasans from various venues on Thaniya Road have approached me alone or whatever non Asian buddy I happen to be walking by with at the time and implored us to come inside, choose a girl, yes the girls will go to a hotel with me, essentially every detail you cited in terms of costs and options since years before Covid, immediately after Covid and ever since.

I just think they have been more open to engaging with non Asian customers for much longer than many of us have been led to believe. Oh, not every venue. But several. I assume the ones whose mamasans never bother to approach or say anything as I passed by know their girls prefer to keep it Asian-centric. But I can't say there are better looking or younger lineups in front of those shops. They all seem similar to me.

I believe this misconception about all those venues being "Japanese only" or "Asian only" is perpetuated by the Thai tuk tuk drivers stationed in the area armed with brochures wanting to sell us on the idea of them taking us to another location where "farang ok" and where they will get a kick-back from the shop for taking us there.

You brought up the, to me, all-important issues of BBBJCIM and BBFS (CIP?) in that it is a no-no to ask the mamasan which girls are up for either or both. Am I reading between the lines that one or both has been an objective of yours on occasion as well and that the topics were broached by you with the girls privately? If so, how did it go? Have you experienced a high, medium or low success rate in getting the girls you chose to go along with either or both? Or has the answer been an adamant no every time and for any amount of extra money?

Thanks in advance for any further intel you can provide about this.

For me, if there isn't going to be BBFSCIP on offer at any cost or BBBJCIM at a reasonable additional cost, I would just as soon skip the whole thing and save my money for girls who will.

Honestly, your report might be the first I can recall of any punter here stating that he got sex of any kind, fully covered or not, at any of those Thaniya Road venues. LOL. That is one of the reasons I never accepted the offer from those aggressive mamasans to come inside and choose a girl if the only thing that would happen is I would be laying out some 5,000 - 7,000 baht inexcange for booze, which I don't care about, and a No Real Sex or No CIM Finish Blowjob buzzkill.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2985108]But I think plenty of guys after a cup of coffee is them telling fairy tales.[/QUOTE]Better believe it. I always assume we're going to my place later. Sometimes we do, and sometimes we don't, so it's always interesting for me to see what happens.

I remember one funny story from a year or two ago when I, on the way back from gym and dinner, impromptu met a 19 year old thaifriendly girl at terminal 21 at closing time. Line-ed here to ask where she was when I arrived, she said she'd gone to the bathroom at location x, so I waited outside there. She came out, we talked for a minute or two, but since it was already 10 pm and terminal 21 was closing, we walked out, and then just continued walking. After some minutes she asked where we're going, and I told her my place. After 10 more minutes she laughed and said she didn't know why she was walking with me.

BTS-ed with her back to terminal 21 for lunch next day, which also had the benefit of her, on a later date, introducing me to my new favourite thai restaurant there, after the previous one (staffed by burmese, some of you may know it), where we ate that day, apparently won some tripadvisor award some years ago. Post-covid19 it now always has a queue of riff-raff waiting for a table, but fortunately the other one serves the same type of food, or better according to the girl, but has considerably less tourists, and rarely any queue.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2985257]Not sure that I agree with this comment about all of them being obvious. I agree that nearly all within 10 meters are ladyboys, but there are some genetic females in that same area and some that I just don't know. Even though I gave plenty of advanced warning, one of my friends learned in the hotel that he had a ladyboy on his first visit to Bangkok. I'm extremely cautious of any freelancer that I take anywhere in Thailand. I always ask prior to committing with a freelancer and then I glance at ID before giving to my hotel reception.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there are female hookers standing outside on the road there too. With enough experience, easy enough to see who's who, and if not, once they start moving or talking, it's even more obvious. This is what I guess N. means by them being obvious, but when new in Thailand, it's scary, and what's obvious to him may not be obvious to others.

I erred on the cautious side myself when young and liking to go clubbing, but months later I was pretty sure I rejected some prime pussy in the disco because I was still new and couldn't always tell for sure who's who. Girls insisting they were real girls, but me still being unsure. Later I found out I could just have asked to see their ID, which all thai people carry with them, and which will say mister or misses.

What did your friend do?

[QUOTE=Interstella;2985171]So, uh, yeah, going to dial it back a few notches. Thing I came into this city with an attitude that needs to be nocked down a few pegs, and for good reason. I'll leave a short field report to explain.

So, I waltz into Thermae last night earlyish, around 9:30, and there are not suprisingly less people there than the previous weekend nights I had checked it out closer to midnight. I head to the counter to grab a coke, tip the waiter 20 baht with my change, and he's super appreciative yet once again. I'm sure the local Thai people can forgive us westerners for our tipping culture, it's too late for us at this point in that regard. Anyway I start doing the ol' clockwise loops to see what women are willing to make eye contact with me and which aren't. Of course there's a gaggle of older ones trying depserately to meet my stare as I'm searching for a bit of a younger bird than my own age. After doing multiple loops I just can't shake the feeling I get when I look at this one tiny exotic looking thing. She looks like what I imagine Melville saw when shored on the Marquesas and lived with the Tai Pi people for a few months hundreds of years ago. She smiled at me on every loop. Strangely enough, I would only rate her a 6 by universal standards, but she had a 7 face for sure, and her hair was perfect, like movie star, perfect. She also had a certain ineffable quality, let's say. The face of innnocence itself. I walk up to her like a towering dope, and sign a "4" with my hands to signal 4 K, and she just kinda looks at me and says "what?" She speaks english. Not perfect english, but she speaks english. So I said "4,000 Baht" not even Hello, just that, and she was like "okay, you want me to go with you?" I said yes, and then, again, like a dope, I introduce myself and then we both start to make our way to the door after I inform her of which hotel we are heading towards..[/QUOTE]LOL. I was curious to see how you would fare after reading your intentions.

Cool and honest report. I enjoyed reading it. Some suggestions, if I may:

1) Say hello, first. I mean, just normal politeness, no?

2) You're not buying bbq-ed chicken liver at a street food cart, where four fingers would indicate four sticks of bbq-ed liver on a stick if all the guy is selling from his cart is bbq-ed liver on a stick. I've only been to Thermae once (last January), but 4 k could just as well be your offer for long-time, as a newbies offer for st. The time I went there I offered 2500 to the first girl I liked, as I didn't remember if reading here that the going rate for st was 2500 or 3000, and 2500 was what I paid her.

3) Don't drag some girl out of there if you're later on going to kick her out for insisting on condom for sex. I'd reject her if she insisted on condom for BJ, as that's not normal, but condom for sex is the normal thing, and if she lets you fuck her without condom, for more money or because she thinks you're ok, that's up to her.
Giving her 1,000 just for the trip before kicking her out sounds decent, and one can imagine if she does that twice every hour, after three hours she'll have 6,000 for nothing more than sitting on her ass in a taxi, so she should be more than happy, but she's not going to see it that way, as you found out. More than decent of you to then give her the remaining 3,000 though, and happy you ended up with a good experience anyway.

Will be looking forward to your next report. Live and learn.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2984783]It's a nonsense only for newbies. The word "massage" in these shops names is just a cover to not openly advertise as a brothel. I would estimate not even 10% of the girls working in these places know how to give a good massage, followed by a good transition to the sex part. The massage is either there to waste time or be used as a cover only. Never ever take the Nuru option in these places, Nuru seems to be properly done only in very few places (Mitu, Dokidoki and Aries it seems). In every other places, it is available at a higher price but it is pure bullshit. None of these girls have been trained to give these kind of massage. As a general rule, always take the cheapest option available in these places (depending on the duration you chose), because you're just paying more and getting nothing in return once in the room. These places are basically a place you go to smash a girl and then move on. These two places cited in the post you quoted are good places, but the OP was expecting something they usually don't do.[/QUOTE]Well, a newbie I can assure you I am not. However, in the 5 trips to BKK I can affirm not focusing much on the massage places. I do however want to experience a real nuru done properly. So will research the 3 places you mentioned. Even though one knows the masseuse is going to fuck, it's still sort of cool to imagine I'm with a straight masseuse and wind up convincing her to have sex. Last year on way back to hotel from muay thai training I pass these small alley way massage places. And a few always tried to solicit me with "hey muay thai man" and the like. Well after one day I took one of them up on it. It was more of a BJ / HJ place, but she wound up fucking and the build up was enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2985273]Yeah, there are female hookers standing outside on the road there too. With enough experience, easy enough to see who's who, and if not, once they start moving or talking, it's even more obvious.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Just shake their hand or get them to talk. A guy's hand is nothing like a lady's and a guy's voice is nothing like a lady's either. They will try to change their voice which could not be more obvious.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2985328]Did you even read your own post? It seems your dogshit negotiation tactic failed way before the hotel. If you see a for sale sign on something, do you just walk up and blurt out a price to the person selling it? She may have only wanted 2000, had you bothered to ask.[/QUOTE]I think his intention was to be overly generous and hope the girl would reciprocate likewise. I guess it could work with some girls, but my bet was that was not going to work out as hoped, and he'd just end up paying twice of everyone else here for the same service. Still, it's cool to see people trying different things and post how it worked out.

Another guy posted here not long ago about doing something similar with normal, non p4p-girls, and having success with that. Choose some cute enough girl at 7-11 or whatever. Cute enough to want to bang, but not so pretty that she has guys fawning over her every day, or even every month. Then treat her to an extravagant date, like a rich guy with little game would treat a model I imagine, and at the end of the night, see her being so flattered with all the attention and money spent on her that she wants to please him in every possible way. Not my cup of tea (I don't like spending money on people I don't already know and like), but I can imagine how that could work with many decent girls.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2985314]Correction on my part. I did say ST, but guess what? Many are quoted 4-5 K for ST for the high side. The low side is accurate too. WHO CARES !!!![/QUOTE]Accurate information is important. Why don't you tell the board what the owner of the Thermae looks like? You must know who he is since you go there so much.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2985244]My experience has been mamasans from various venues on Thaniya Road have approached me alone or whatever non Asian buddy I happen to be walking by with at the time and implored us to come inside, choose a girl, yes the girls will go to a hotel with me, essentially every detail you cited in terms of costs and options since years before Covid, immediately after Covid and ever since.

I just think they have been more open to engaging with non Asian customers for much longer than many of us have been led to believe. Oh, not every venue. But several. I assume the ones whose mamasans never bother to approach or say anything as I passed by know their girls prefer to keep it Asian-centric. But I can't say there are better looking or younger lineups in front of those shops. They all seem similar to me.

I believe this misconception about all those venues being "Japanese only" or "Asian only" is perpetuated by the Thai tuk tuk drivers stationed in the area armed with brochures wanting to sell us on the idea of them taking us to another location where "farang ok" and where they will get a kick-back from the shop for taking us there.

You brought up the, to me, all-important issues of BBBJCIM and BBFS (CIP?) in that it is a no-no to ask the mamasan which girls are up for either or both. Am I reading between the lines that one or both has been an objective of yours on occasion as well and that the topics were broached by you with the girls privately? If so, how did it go? Have you experienced a high, medium or low success rate in getting the girls you chose to go along with either or both? Or has the answer been an adamant no every time and for any amount of extra money?

Thanks in advance for any further intel you can provide about this.

For me, if there isn't going to be BBFSCIP on offer at any cost or BBBJCIM at a reasonable additional cost, I would just as soon skip the whole thing and save my money for girls who will.

Honestly, your report might be the first I can recall of any punter here stating that he got sex of any kind, fully covered or not, at any of those Thaniya Road venues. LOL. That is one of the reasons I never accepted the offer from those aggressive mamasans to come inside and choose a girl if the only thing that would happen is I would be laying out some 5,000 - 7,000 baht inexcange for booze, which I don't care about, and a No Real Sex or No CIM Finish Blowjob buzzkill.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think the "asians / Japanese only" thing is a misconception. If you look even halfway presentable (well-groomed + not wearing a Chang singlet or cargo shorts & flip flops), my experience is that almost any shop there is excited to have you. Treat it as if going to a gentleman's club and you won't go wrong.

Most girls I've had from Thaniya did BBBJ at no extra charge. CIM I am less sure about as I usually prefer to finish with a hard pounding in doggystyle, but I have had a few do CIM when I've had trouble finishing. Definitely not guaranteed though nor is BBBJ. I generally ask the girl about BBBJ within the first hour of drinking, figure I have a higher chance at success if they know me first (I. E. , that I'm not batshit crazy & I live nearby so chances of repeat business are high for the right girl). I choose a girl that's pretty enough that even if only CBJ is on offer, I still consider it a good night. CIP I don't do as I've not been snipped yet, hopefully this year. After meeting a girl for 2-3 times I will ask for BBFS. Not just on Thaniya but in general. It's maybe a 25% success rate, sometimes at no charge, sometimes +1000. If a girl allows BBFS she becomes a regular. If not, I get bored of girls after 2-3 times anyways, so not much motivation to meet again without that benefit.

I think the best introduction to Thaniya is probably Trendy One. Very welcoming mama-san & owner that speak English, and on Friday / Saturday nights there are 30+ girls in sexy uniform. The best part is that they wear colored badges letting you know whether they will go ST or LT (no badge = girl decides on a case by case basis), makes everything very easy. Look up the building on google maps and go out front asking for Trendy, someone will guide you. Hidden gem of a place, in my opinion. Best to rent a private room there as it's not expensive (700 baht / hour?? Can't remember), but not necessary.

Friday was actually my monthly Thaniya session, went to Show Me, a line-up of around 15 girls, picked a 22-year old spinner from Laos, very pretty face & white skin (was surprised when she told me she's from Laos). First non-Thai I've met on Thaniya. And first girl from Laos I met that can deepthroat LOL. 2 hours drinking + ST was 6500 baht so again, not a super budget friendly place, but occasionally I like to mix things up rather than just sticking to my usual rotation which is thermae, t-ded, and patpong.