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[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566061]Anyone has any idea about the "going rate" for the SeekingArrangement dates in CO, Bogota, Medellin? I have done an "arrangement" from Badoo once in Brazil where I had a perfect arrangement for 24 hours and she picked me up from the airport. It was quite hot actually. For the 24 hours I paid 1000 BRL, which was about US $ 400 at the time, and the value of about 4 hours of a regular escort. Some said I paid too much, but I don't think so since I had 24 hours of fun with emotional connection and that blind date that was agreed on. I told her: when we meet I see you at the airport and the first thing we do is kiss passionately even before I'll hear your voice for the first time. It was tickling.

Anyway, now I am trying to come up with a reasonable proposal to those SA girls. If I take the same calculation, I would say 250,000 COP x 4 = 1,000,000 COP for 24 hours.

But if I don't even want 24 hours it gets more interesting. 500,000 COP for the night? Would that seem too cheap?

I checked average monthly income in CO is under 450 USD, so 3 such nights and she'd have that average monthly income.

Should we negotiate lower than the rate of the straight up working girl? In this case we'll meet up for coffee just to be sure that there will be some chemistry..[/QUOTE]SS,

Do not mention a price and try to meet them for a drink first. Second, I would start at 200,000 for an 8 or less. 300,000 for a 9 or 10. You send out 100 messages and I bet you will get 30 responses. Do not commit to first one. Play the field until you find one you like. 500,000 is too much. A girl has to be a 10 in bed and in looks to pay much that.

Do not worry too much about hotels. I am not sure where you are staying but hotels usually get girls ID. I have never had an issue with girl in room. Only issue is hotel charging guest fees, but that is more a Medellin problem than Bogota problem.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566061]Anyone has any idea about the "going rate" for the SeekingArrangement dates in CO, Bogota, Medellin? I have done an "arrangement" from Badoo once in Brazil where I had a perfect arrangement for 24 hours and she picked me up from the airport. It was quite hot actually. For the 24 hours I paid 1000 BRL, which was about US $ 400 at the time, and the value of about 4 hours of a regular escort. Some said I paid too much, but I don't think so since I had 24 hours of fun with emotional connection and that blind date that was agreed on. I told her: when we meet I see you at the airport and the first thing we do is kiss passionately even before I'll hear your voice for the first time. It was tickling.

Anyway, now I am trying to come up with a reasonable proposal to those SA girls. If I take the same calculation, I would say 250,000 COP x 4 = 1,000,000 COP for 24 hours.

But if I don't even want 24 hours it gets more interesting. 500,000 COP for the night? Would that seem too cheap?

I checked average monthly income in CO is under 450 USD, so 3 such nights and she'd have that average monthly income.

Should we negotiate lower than the rate of the straight up working girl? In this case we'll meet up for coffee just to be sure that there will be some chemistry.

And finally, any advice on safety? I have some concerns with the specific information we give about ourselves on the site, we might be subject to some serious robbery rip-offs. Taking the girl to my apart-hotel? I know the theory is better not, but I am looking for experienced advice, not textbook.[/QUOTE]$400 usd is stupid money for Colombia. Ctg. Will be more expensive than the other cities but I think you over thinking this. It's not Walmart with a set price. Generally speaking, if you are dealing with a true SA girl and not a prepago, of which there are many on Seeking, it will be less. I haven't used SA for a few years now but I usually paid around 200 cop + taxi with no time limit. Most true SA girls will like to go to dinner and make a evening out of it if you want, With the hard core prepagos it will be more like a business transaction and more expensive. There is a LOT of desperation and poverty right now in Colombia so negotiate accordingly. But don't be a dick. Many women and families are hurting right now and I do tip more in my hotel and restaurants because a few extra pesos is no skin off my back but could mean the difference to a mom or family buying food. Use you best judgement. Have a great trip and be careful, Colombia is very dangerous right now.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566083]Do not mention a price and try to meet them for a drink first.
Second, I would start at 200,000 for an 8 or less. 300,000 for a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2566122]$400 usd is stupid money for Colombia.
Ctg. Will be more expensive than the other cities
Generally speaking, if you are dealing with a true SA girl and not a prepago, of which there are many on Seeking, it will be less.
I haven't used SA for a few years now but I usually paid around 200 cop + taxi with no time limit.
Most true SA girls will like to go to dinner and make a evening out of it if you want,
With the hard core prepagos it will be more like a business transaction and more expensive.
[/QUOTE]Awesome, thanks for sharing what you learned.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2566122]There is a LOT of desperation and poverty right now in Colombia so negotiate accordingly. But don't be a dick. Many women and families are hurting right now and I do tip more in my hotel and restaurants because a few extra pesos is no skin off my back but could mean the difference to a mom or family buying food. Use you best judgement. Have a great trip and be careful, Colombia is very dangerous right now.[/QUOTE]Yes, now how is Colombia very dangerous now? You mean because of that political stuff that's going on on the streets? Or is there big increase in crime?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566083]Do not worry too much about hotels. I am not sure where you are staying but hotels usually get girls ID. I have never had an issue with girl in room. Only issue is hotel charging guest fees, but that is more a Medellin problem than Bogota problem.[/QUOTE]I was thinking to stay in a suite apartment which is possibly more like AirBnB than a hotel. So I don't know if they have a front desk thing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566083]You send out 100 messages and I bet you will get 30 responses. Do not commit to first one. Play the field until you find one you like. 500,000 is too much. A girl has to be a 10 in bed and in looks to pay much that.[/QUOTE]Oh, I am being inundated with those who favorited me. It's actually quite amazing. A little too good to be true. I can really understand now what so many girls are going through on normal dating sites. Lots of stuff coming in, makes it almost hard to manage.

And strange things of one I had a decent chat with and we were all "hasta luego baby" and the next day that profile was gone altogether (or blocked me?) so that made me think that perhaps there are many fake profiles there. Like I said, I don't feel comfortable to be pressured to give my wealth and income numbers, but you can't even opt out of it.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566361]Awesome, thanks for sharing what you learned.

Yes, now how is Colombia very dangerous now? You mean because of that political stuff that's going on on the streets? Or is there big increase in crime?

I was thinking to stay in a suite apartment which is possibly more like AirBnB than a hotel. So I don't know if they have a front desk thing.

Oh, I am being inundated with those who favorited me. It's actually quite amazing. A little too good to be true. I can really understand now what so many girls are going through on normal dating sites. Lots of stuff coming in, makes it almost hard to manage.

And strange things of one I had a decent chat with and we were all "hasta luego baby" and the next day that profile was gone altogether (or blocked me?) so that made me think that perhaps there are many fake profiles there. Like I said, I don't feel comfortable to be pressured to give my wealth and income numbers, but you can't even opt out of it.[/QUOTE]"hasta luego baby" and the next day that profile was gone altogether (or blocked me?

It's fairly common on SA, you will also see them in one city today and far away the next day. Lot's of fishing and scamming on SA. However there are some good ones.

Danger: I have seen Bogota get very dangerous over the years. It's a big city, like 9 million more or less right now, so every big city has their crime element. Bogota and most of the cities in Colombia in my option is like the perfect storm. Once the Pablo Escobar era came to an end Colombia enjoyed a renaissance of sorts, and tourism took off. There has always been poverty because of, for the most part, no middle class. Now it's a whole new ball game. Covid destroyed all the jobs for the working class, drugs and and the influx of millions of destitute Venezuelans looking for jobs and easy prey has made for a very dangerous time in Bogota. The riots are not protests. It is the left, FARC, ELN and the militant left using this opportunity to do what the have always promised to do for decades, overthrow the current system of government, they don't want calm so until the government comes down hard on them the "protests' will continue. The north is relatively safe, the further you go south the more dangerous it becomes. But it can happen anywhere in a flash. NEVER wear or bring expensive watches etc to Colombian. There is way too much to warn you about but if you pm me I can tell you more. All that being said I love Colombia, the people and the WOMEN jaja. Be careful, have a good time.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566361]And strange things of one I had a decent chat with and we were all "hasta luego baby" and the next day that profile was gone altogether (or blocked me?) so that made me think that perhaps there are many fake profiles there. [/QUOTE]Not fake at all. You know how many chicks I have known in real life that have done the same thing? Just a couple of weeks ago this chick that I used to mess with in Cali hit me up from a new number saying she had moved to Medellin and is now working at a call center. I have met her mom and sister. Like 2 days later she disappeared.

I was talking to a chick in Dominican Republic. One night we said bye and the next day no more messages from her. Call the regular landline no answer. Next time I was in Santo Domingo I drove across town to the salon she owns to see what happened and it was closed. Just disappeared into thin air. The list goes on.

I have no idea what happens to these women, but I know shit will happen. That is why I always recommend not having all your eggs in one basket and having at least 3 backups. One guy in the Dominican Republic thread found out the hard way the other day when he was ghosted without backups.

[QUOTE=JHS42;2563943]I tried a couple girls on Dominican Cupid and got stood up twice so hate to leave without sampling the local flavor. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JHS42;2563945]Yeah, I was worried about having too many so I was conservativeyou guys even warned me. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]

How about organizing a "house party"? Let's say get together with 3 colleagues here and rent a nice place with 3 bedrooms. Then gather 3 to 6 semi pro chicas. Have everyone STD tested and verify the chicas are on birth control (ideally by injection), bring all supplies and then have fun for a week or however long. We might even get some filming equipment and be like a film crew. That might make these girls even more enthusiastic. Should be no problem to find local talent, or, depending on the venue, even bring some Venezolanas. Not easy to travel to VE, but I hear it's not too difficult for them to travel out of VE. This could be done in a nice place like San Andre. Now leaving the scope of CO, but continuing the thought, in the Dominica Republic (VE to DR travel is easy). If Trinidad & Tobago was open it could be done there.

I don't know anyone here personally and I would not do this with just everyone. There needs to be some trust, for example, that none of the people get all drunk or argumentative or otherwise batshit crazy. There would have to be a certain gentleman's agreement and some rules. And we'd have to meet and get to know each other in person first. And as for in person, that's the downside with importing unknown girls from VE, but perhaps one could audition them over a video chat.

Since I am planning to be in CO for a longer period, I am thinking seriously about it. The benefit of a longer term arrangement is that it is way more relaxing and one can have variety and plenty and the costs of the nice villa or penthouse apartment can be shared. This STD testing plus a few days quarantine would have the benefit that one could do the bareback, which is so much nicer.

Thinking some more, I would be very interested to do this with guys who, like me, are digital nomads, and would, besides the playing, also like to get some work in. It's been always my special dream to do the digital work while a chica hangs out in my lap or gives me a massage. Or lazy at the pool.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566720]How about organizing a "house party"? Let's say get together with 3 colleagues here and rent a nice place with 3 bedrooms. Then gather 3 to 6 semi pro chicas. Have everyone STD tested and verify the chicas are on birth control (ideally by injection), bring all supplies and then have fun for a week or however long. We might even get some filming equipment and be like a film crew. That might make these girls even more enthusiastic. [/QUOTE]Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566725]Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.[/QUOTE]Tell me more, I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566725]Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.[/QUOTE]At least he'll be able to use the carpool lane.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566733]Tell me more, I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]Let's start with getting 3 guys together. I've met some great guys from ISG, guys who I enjoy hanging out with, guys who have become good friends, but spending 24/7 with them might be stretching things a bit. It would probably be okay for a couple of days, with the right guys, but then it starts to get difficult. One guy might be a bit messy. One might keep a much different schedule. Have you ever tried to sleep, when you're completely exhausted and someone is having loud, noisy sex 15 feet away? That's without getting into the issues when 2 guys both want the same girl.

Then there are the girls. You're unlikely to find semi pros in Colombia who will be excited about spending several days with strangers who want to take video of everything. The ones who might get excited about that are already doing webcam work. You're also going to run into problems finding girls who will all be up for being passed around. Not to mention throwing 3 to 6 strangers together and expecting them all to get along.

Of course, one of the biggest risks is when the girls decide to rob you. You and whoever else are likely to wake up and realize everything is gone, possibly including the TV's in your rental house. With 6 girls you can't watch them all, all the time.

There's more. Venezuelans? Colombia is already full of them. No need to import or export them from Venezuela. I assume you think you can get them cheaper, but by the time you pay roundtrip airfare, plus the time spent just finding them, you're spending more and getting complete unknown girls. How do you convince them to fly somewhere to meet up with complete strangers? Most likely by paying in advance, and after they have the money, why get on a plane?

I could easily find another 100 areas where problems could crop up, but I can't find any benefits to make it worth the risks. If I want 2 or 3 girls, for 2 or 3 days, I can easily arrange it. If I want to spend time with other mongers, easily done. If I want to take video, still easy. If I want something fancier than where I'm staying, Motel Ibiza is always there. I can have my fun and not have to deal with roommates while I'm having it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566725]Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.[/QUOTE]LMAO Hey Squid, are you trying to be High Heffner? This is funny. Sounds like you want to have a Festa, I've had a few in Brazil that were great but not my first trip to Brazil. Best you walk before you run. Don't over pack or plan for your first trip. Find one or two girls you really like. Do a repeat if you like being with them, if they are really cool. Find a few restaurants you like and bring a few outfits and toys for the girls and have fun.

IMHO I would never invite 3 or 4 complete strange women I never met before to my place for a week. The best parties come together spontaneously, when the right people met it can happen, but don't force anything. Many times when I met a strange chic for the first time I broom them before I even kiss them and almost always after I shoot my load. I can't imagine the train wreck that could ensue having 5 or 6 strangers roaming around my apartment unchecked. Remember Squid your not in Kansas anymore.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566733]Tell me more, I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]You are making it too complicated. I think there is a simple solution. You can stay at Mansion.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566720]How about organizing a "house party"? Let's say get together with 3 colleagues here and rent a nice place with 3 bedrooms. Then gather 3 to 6 semi pro chicas. Have everyone STD tested and verify the chicas are on birth control (ideally by injection), bring all supplies and then have fun for a week or however long. We might even get some filming equipment and be like a film crew. That might make these girls even more enthusiastic. Should be no problem to find local talent, or, depending on the venue, even bring some Venezolanas. Not easy to travel to VE, but I hear it's not too difficult for them to travel out of VE. This could be done in a nice place like San Andre. Now leaving the scope of CO, but continuing the thought, in the Dominica Republic (VE to DR travel is easy). If Trinidad & Tobago was open it could be done there.

I don't know anyone here personally and I would not do this with just everyone. There needs to be some trust, for example, that none of the people get all drunk or argumentative or otherwise batshit crazy. There would have to be a certain gentleman's agreement and some rules. And we'd have to meet and get to know each other in person first. And as for in person, that's the downside with importing unknown girls from VE, but perhaps one could audition them over a video chat.

Since I am planning to be in CO for a longer period, I am thinking seriously about it. The benefit of a longer term arrangement is that it is way more relaxing and one can have variety and plenty and the costs of the nice villa or penthouse apartment can be shared. This STD testing plus a few days quarantine would have the benefit that one could do the bareback, which is so much nicer.

Thinking some more, I would be very interested to do this with guys who, like me, are digital nomads, and would, besides the playing, also like to get some work in. It's been always my special dream to do the digital work while a chica hangs out in my lap or gives me a massage. Or lazy at the pool.[/QUOTE]Clear case of human trafficking LOL. Esp. With the situation now in VE.

Seriously?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566720]How about organizing a "house party"? Let's say get together with 3 colleagues here and rent a nice place with 3 bedrooms. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566725]Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2566801]. The best parties come together spontaneously, when the right people met it can happen, but don't force anything. Many times when I met a strange chic for the first time I broom them before I even kiss them and almost always after I shoot my load. I can't imagine the train wreck that could ensue having 5 or 6 strangers roaming around my apartment unchecked. Remember Squid your not in Kansas anymore.[/QUOTE]If you are talking about getting some of your friends or coworkers together and heading down to Medellin then fine, this has been done several times that I have heard of and they had a great time.

But if you are talking about trying to get some mongers together who never met off of the board and then getting some chicas then there are several things that could go bad and probably will. The mongers themselves may not get along, some things that I have heard about include some monger may get jealous because another monger is into the chica that you are with, some monger may get it in their head that they are over paying for something, be it the accomidation becuase their room is smaller or the party supplies because they only drank 5 beers etc etc,. Then there is that awful chance that you get bad blood going on between the chicas, and these are Colombianas. Passionate Colombianas and so they may figuratively speaking stink the whole place up because they are jealous of some other chica.

Prostitution is legal in Colombia, but there are some vaguely stated laws about "promoting prostitution " so there is an outside chance of the police getting wind and that might be a problem. Granted I would think that was very much an outside chance.

There are gringo parties where lots of chicas show up, I know because chicas have told me about them. I have not seen any postings from a particular Board Member who was living in Medellin and was posting regular a while back but he shared links from Facebook showing "Finca" party (s)? With many chicas and many gringos. That may also have been as far out from Medellin as Guatap. Fincas being places out in the country like a farm. This is probably also an attractive type of spot because most Airbnb places will explicitly state "no parties".

I was talking to a couple of particularly hot chicas once who made me an offer that both of them would spend all night with me if I would throw a Finca party for their friends 18th birthday. I was not going to throw a party for a bunch of barely of age people, no sir. Too much could go wrong.

Make a few trips to Colombia, learn which chicas party together and get along. See if any board members are interested in meeting up for a drink and see if you get along etc, In other words have a network of people that you have gotten to know and feel would vibe well together. Then start talking about a party.

Thanks for setting my head straight. All good points indeed.

A case for a different choice.

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