[QUOTE=Nounce;2566841]You are making it too complicated. I think there is a simple solution. You can stay at Mansion.[/QUOTE]Where is the mansion located? Are we talking about Loutron?
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2566841]You are making it too complicated. I think there is a simple solution. You can stay at Mansion.[/QUOTE]Where is the mansion located? Are we talking about Loutron?
I was curious and went over my first old posts in this forum from many years ago. I noticed I had two encounters in Brazil where I ended up paying after the deed. I didn't even remember that. And given that at the time I was quite unexperienced, it surprised me how I even managed to do that! Told me that at the time the customs was still pay afterwards. This seems to be different in Colombia. Once I asked a girl out to indulge me on a long term multi day date, and I offered a price which she accepted. Then I said that of course we needed some contingency if we ended up hating each other's guts after a few minutes or an hour. So I said I'd pay in installments. An up-front for the effort of meeting me, then after some time together another installment, and then a daily installment so that there would always be a way for us to walk away without either one of us feeling cheated. This mirrored the 24 hour setup I had once with a Brazilian pro who I met on Badoo when SA didn't exist yet. It was very well done then, I paid her a piece after she picked me up from the airport, and then again after some good time, and then the rest. But that Colombiana, who totally let me down started arguing that she only works payment upfront, essentially expecting a 24 hour engagement to be paid up front. I said no way, because you already agreed to my scheme. Turns out many don't even pay attention to what you say. That's a bad sign to start with, because nothing that you think was agreed will be remembered.
But my question is: is it really true that Colombia is (now) more or less strictly a pay upfront culture? Or is that just a sign that you are about to be ripped off anyway? Like pay up front and then be annoying so that you end up kicking her out early? Even in Brazil I do not remember that pay afterwards was a thing I had done effortlessly in the past.
In the casas in central areas, its pay up front. But very rarely am I asked by a freelancer to pay upfront. And when I am, as you suspect, it is usually a scene of impending disaster. It seems to me that girls ask for upfront after guy (s) have refused to pay them. And you got to wonder why. In my experience I can suppose that it was bcos they were terrible service and the guy (s) threw them out. I have never had a great experience from paying a freelancer upfront. These days I either cancel immediately, or if I really fancy her I try to make a deal of x% upfront, balance paid afterwards. That kinda works bcos then you can still kick her if she is useless, but you have already given her enough for her troubles.
[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2567348]I was curious and went over my first old posts in this forum from many years ago. I noticed I had two encounters in Brazil where I ended up paying after the deed. I didn't even remember that. And given that at the time I was quite unexperienced, it surprised me how I even managed to do that! Told me that at the time the customs was still pay afterwards. This seems to be different in Colombia.
But my question is: is it really true that Colombia is (now) more or less strictly a pay upfront culture? Or is that just a sign that you are about to be ripped off anyway? Like pay up front and then be annoying so that you end up kicking her out early? Even in Brazil I do not remember that pay afterwards was a thing I had done effortlessly in the past.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2567348]I was curious and went over my first old posts in this forum from many years ago. I noticed I had two encounters in Brazil where I ended up paying after the deed. I didn't even remember that. And given that at the time I was quite unexperienced, it surprised me how I even managed to do that! Told me that at the time the customs was still pay afterwards. This seems to be different in Colombia. Once I asked a girl out to indulge me on a long term multi day date, and I offered a price which she accepted. Then I said that of course we needed some contingency if we ended up hating each other's guts after a few minutes or an hour. So I said I'd pay in installments. An up-front for the effort of meeting me, then after some time together another installment, and then a daily installment so that there would always be a way for us to walk away without either one of us feeling cheated. This mirrored the 24 hour setup I had once with a Brazilian pro who I met on Badoo when SA didn't exist yet. It was very well done then, I paid her a piece after she picked me up from the airport, and then again after some good time, and then the rest. But that Colombiana, who totally let me down started arguing that she only works payment upfront, essentially expecting a 24 hour engagement to be paid up front. I said no way, because you already agreed to my scheme. Turns out many don't even pay attention to what you say. That's a bad sign to start with, because nothing that you think was agreed will be remembered.
But my question is: is it really true that Colombia is (now) more or less strictly a pay upfront culture? Or is that just a sign that you are about to be ripped off anyway? Like pay up front and then be annoying so that you end up kicking her out early? Even in Brazil I do not remember that pay afterwards was a thing I had done effortlessly in the past.[/QUOTE]Except for most casas and strip clubs, payment is after. I don't recall any situation I've run into where I've had any issues with paying afterwards. In Spanish, siempre pago despues. I always pay after.
New Life casa, unless it's changed, you pay after, depending on the time you spent. Energy Spa I've been asked to pay before and I've been asked to pay after. Not sure what the standard is there.
I've found that when you're having trouble reaching an agreement with a girl the phrase "tal vez un otro día", maybe some other day, works well. It allows her to either accept what you're offering or walk away with no bad feelings. You can toss in "esta bien", it's okay, with it.
The last thing I want to do is get into an argument over payment, services or anything else. There's really nothing to be gained and you're wasting time that could be used to find someone who you can deal with. And often, once the girl realizes you've made your offer and are ready to walk, she'll come around.
[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2567348]I was curious and went over my first old posts in this forum from many years ago. I noticed I had two encounters in Brazil where I ended up paying after the deed. I didn't even remember that. And given that at the time I was quite unexperienced, it surprised me how I even managed to do that! Told me that at the time the customs was still pay afterwards. This seems to be different in Colombia. Once I asked a girl out to indulge me on a long term multi day date, and I offered a price which she accepted. Then I said that of course we needed some contingency if we ended up hating each other's guts after a few minutes or an hour. So I said I'd pay in installments. An up-front for the effort of meeting me, then after some time together another installment, and then a daily installment so that there would always be a way for us to walk away without either one of us feeling cheated. This mirrored the 24 hour setup I had once with a Brazilian pro who I met on Badoo when SA didn't exist yet. It was very well done then, I paid her a piece after she picked me up from the airport, and then again after some good time, and then the rest. But that Colombiana, who totally let me down started arguing that she only works payment upfront, essentially expecting a 24 hour engagement to be paid up front. I said no way, because you already agreed to my scheme. Turns out many don't even pay attention to what you say. That's a bad sign to start with, because nothing that you think was agreed will be remembered..[/QUOTE]I've had a few experiences with this and I would never pay up front again. , yours may be different than mine but I've had enough to dissuade me from doing so again. Every mistake I've made prepared me for the next chica.
I only pay after, and if they demand money upfront I just give them 20 K pesos max for taxi and tell them to leave.
My first experience was in DR where she demanded payment up front. She looked super hot, we were already in the apartment drinking so I didn't mind. When we got to the bedroom she demanded the money before she got undressed. She kept saying "dinero first pappi, dinero first".
Ok. I pay. She get undressed and starts BB Chupa, her teeth is scraping all up and down my joint so I stop her. I tell her perito, grab my condom and the smell that came from her box was out of this world. I tell her go tot he bathroom to wash up. She comes back, it still smells bad. But she already got my money and can't suck good. I told her this is my first leche off the plane and I want it to be good, took a loss, told her to leave.
Colombia. A week before I flew I matched with this chick on Tinder, all her pictures looked hot and we been talking almost daily on whatsapp. Then the day before I'm supposed to land I'm unmatched from Tinder and her profile photo disappeared from whatsapp and she's not responding to any of me messages. I head to the clock tower and surely enough I see her there and I approach her, she remembers me and I asked why she blocked me and she says allot of gringos just bullshit to get free pics and never actually come to Colombia. So since she see I'm for real she's sorry and will go with me, I didn't even have to negotiate even though she knew I was American she didn't give me the gringo price. We get back to the apartment, I'm excited, been waiting all week for this, she say pay upfront. Ok I pay, then tell her go shower. She comes out wrapped up in a towel. I go shower come out and all the lights are off, she's on the bed wrapped in the towel and under the covers. WTF!? So I turn on the lights pull all the covers off the bed, pull the towel off of her and she had this nasty black and blue mark going down her stomach that looked like a botched surgery and the skin is rottin. After seeing that I couldn't even get hard. So I just went for Chupa until I finished which took her about an hour. Even though I paid for TLN but it wasn't a crazy price I took the loss and told her to leave.
Colombia again. I matched with a girl on tinder again. I message her on whatsapp and she agreed to meet with me but it has to be early morning or late night and she can only do ST. I agreed. First night she shows up, 30 minutes late, I don't care, she's all natural and hot. Sucks me dry BBJCIM I didn't even get to hit but she took all my energy, I pay she leaves. Next day I hit her up she tell me she can't that night but she can see me in an hour. I agreed. She shows up late again, I don't care, I get to hit, its tight she's good, and when I was about to finish she caught all the leche in her mouth. I pay, she leaves. Third day I hit her up for same deal, she says she can't that day but she can the next day. No big deal, I head to the clocktower to get a fresh face, found one and decide to Cafe Del Mar for a few drinks and there she is with a gringo but she didn't see me. So I message her and let her know I see her on the wall in a joking way. She replies back the guy paid her to be with him for the week. So I asked her how were you seeing me then? She said she would just tell him she had an emergency at home and she have to go make sure everything is ok but will be back in an hour or two. So long story short she was with him told him a BS lie then come see me then go back to him. Meanwhile I'm watching him kissing her all in her mouth taking selfies. SMH. Gringo GFE ignorance I suppose. She shows up next day at my place same deal.
Colombia once more. Met this chick at Playa Hollywood. I take her back, she wants payment upfront. Ok I don't mind, I pay. We start out, chupa then I go to hit and her pussy feels like she's been shoving the whole Agulia can up there. I couldn't feel anything, her walls had no grip whatsoever. So I tell her its too loose o back to Chupa. She's saying I have to pay more because she only suck once then sex she don't suck twice. Since I was staying in El Laguito I took the loss and I put her ass out with the quickness walked around the corner and just grabbed another one.
More Colombia. Got a girl out of Space and I was staying in Getsemani. We agreed for a price for ST and walked over to the apartment. She say pay her up front, ok, then she got straight to the point. Everything is finished in 30 minutes. I wash up, I step out the shower, ready to go again, she's already dressed like WTF. She says she have an emergency at home, while she's on the phone talking her driver I hear her tell the Taxi a condo address I previously stayed at in El Lagito. SMH. So wile I was showering some gringo hit her up and told her to come see him, she gives me the excuse to cut my time short so she can go make more money, on top of that she wanted to wait inside the apartment until the taxi showed up out font, I told her "If our business is done then you don't need to be here" and put her ass right out and locked the door.
How serious is this?
[URL]https://youtu.be/WB2isJA1JdU[/URL]
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Contact Jesus, he will let you know what's going on.
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[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2570257]How serious is this?
[URL]https://youtu.be/WB2isJA1JdU[/URL][/QUOTE]
Does anyone happen to know the rules if you overstay as a tourist?
Yes, I know there may be a fine, but how much and for how long an overstay? Grcs!
[QUOTE=Nypher;2567441]I've had a few experiences with this and I would never pay up front again. , yours may be different than mine but I've had enough to dissuade me from doing so again. Every mistake I've made prepared me for the next chica.
I only pay after, and if they demand money upfront I just give them 20 K pesos max for taxi and tell them to leave.
My first experience was in DR where she demanded payment up front. She looked super hot, we were already in the apartment drinking so I didn't mind. When we got to the bedroom she demanded the money before she got undressed. She kept saying "dinero first pappi, dinero first".
Ok. I pay. She get undressed and starts BB Chupa, her teeth is scraping all up and down my joint so I stop her. I tell her perito, grab my condom and the smell that came from her box was out of this world. I tell her go tot he bathroom to wash up. She comes back, it still smells bad. But she already got my money and can't suck good. I told her this is my first leche off the plane and I want it to be good, took a loss, told her to leave.
Colombia. A week before I flew I matched with this chick on Tinder, all her pictures looked hot and we been talking almost daily on whatsapp. Then the day before I'm supposed to land I'm unmatched from Tinder and her profile photo disappeared from whatsapp and she's not responding to any of me messages. I head to the clock tower and surely enough I see her there and I approach her, she remembers me and I asked why she blocked me and she says allot of gringos just bullshit to get free pics and never actually come to Colombia. So since she see I'm for real she's sorry and will go with me, I didn't even have to negotiate even though she knew I was American she didn't give me the gringo price. We get back to the apartment, I'm excited, been waiting all week for this, she say pay upfront. Ok I pay, then tell her go shower. She comes out wrapped up in a towel. I go shower come out and all the lights are off, she's on the bed wrapped in the towel and under the covers. WTF!? So I turn on the lights pull all the covers off the bed, pull the towel off of her and she had this nasty black and blue mark going down her stomach that looked like a botched surgery and the skin is rottin. After seeing that I couldn't even get hard. So I just went for Chupa until I finished which took her about an hour. Even though I paid for TLN but it wasn't a crazy price I took the loss and told her to leave.
Colombia again. I matched with a girl on tinder again. I message her on whatsapp and she agreed to meet with me but it has to be early morning or late night and she can only do ST. I agreed. First night she shows up, 30 minutes late, I don't care, she's all natural and hot. Sucks me dry BBJCIM I didn't even get to hit but she took all my energy, I pay she leaves. Next day I hit her up she tell me she can't that night but she can see me in an hour. I agreed. She shows up late again, I don't care, I get to hit, its tight she's good, and when I was about to finish she caught all the leche in her mouth. I pay, she leaves. Third day I hit her up for same deal, she says she can't that day but she can the next day. No big deal, I head to the clocktower to get a fresh face, found one and decide to Cafe Del Mar for a few drinks and there she is with a gringo but she didn't see me. So I message her and let her know I see her on the wall in a joking way. She replies back the guy paid her to be with him for the week. So I asked her how were you seeing me then? She said she would just tell him she had an emergency at home and she have to go make sure everything is ok but will be back in an hour or two. So long story short she was with him told him a BS lie then come see me then go back to him. Meanwhile I'm watching him kissing her all in her mouth taking selfies. SMH. Gringo GFE ignorance I suppose. She shows up next day at my place same deal.[/QUOTE]Is a big no no. I can count on one hand in 30 years of travel, how many times I paid in advance and every time the service sucked. . If they demand payment up front, I broom them. These working girl types are like buses, another on comes along every 5 minutes.
99.9 % of the time the reason they demand you to pay upfront is because the service is going to suck and you have no power or control of the session. You have to think with the big head and don't give in to pay upfront and tell them your no longer interested.
Give them 5 or 10,000 cop and get rid of them. You will save yourself a headache.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2571390]Does anyone happen to know the rules if you overstay as a tourist?
Yes, I know there may be a fine, but how much and for how long an overstay? Grcs![/QUOTE]The only person I know who overstayed was on a different visa. He was only a few weeks late renewing it and they initially told him he would be banned from Colombia for 5 years. He ended up paying a fine and got the visa renewed, but I don't know how much the fine was.
Go to Eucador for day or or two.
[QnUOTE=JustTK;2571390]Does anyone happen to know the rules if you overstay as a tourist?
Yes, I know there may be a fine, but how much and for how long an overstay? Grcs! QUOTE].
[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2571515]Is a big no no. I can count on one hand in 30 years of travel, how many times I paid in advance and every time the service sucked. . If they demand payment up front, I broom them. These working girl types are like buses, another on comes along every 5 minutes.
99.9 % of the time the reason they demand you to pay upfront is because the service is going to suck and you have no power or control of the session. You have to think with the big head and don't give in to pay upfront and tell them your no longer interested.
Give them 5 or 10,000 cop and get rid of them. You will save yourself a headache.[/QUOTE]You're so right about those girls, and I have learned over the years. Just like your bus analogy we have one over here as well. JAJAJA.
Chicas are like parking spots. Drive around looking for one and as soon as you find one out of your way and park your vehicle, a better parking spot becomes available that is way more convenient.
When you add in the flights, the hotel, the covid tests, taxis. Its a lot of money just for a stamp in your passport.
For those that want to know, I just had a friend pass thru immigration and they told them. Just go to a domestic immigration office (such as the one in Belen, but they are in most major cities) one week before you plan to leave, and tell them you have overstayed for whatever reason (covid is a good one). The fine will be 50,000 per month.
That sounds like a much better deal and saves a lot of wasted time too. I will try it out in a couple of weeks.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2571554]Go to Eucador for day or or two. [/QUOTE]
This issue has become more complicated recently due to COVID entry requirements.
Am considering the ease and cost of it all to various nearby countries. Entry tests required, travel and health insurance requirements, isolations / quarantines, cost of flight, whether I can just skip immigration in the country of arrival and get back on the return flight. Its quite a tricky call.
My first thought is to get a low cost return flight to Panama. Cost is flights and test reqd to leave Col. If I can get on the return flight without leaving the arrivals hall (just as if I were in transit. No luggage), then I could avoid the extra test reqd in Panama arrivals and 3 day quarantine. But that means I would need to do check in for Panama flight online, and that means I would need to buy a 3 flight ticket. Col-PTY-Col-PTY. Bcos they won't allow online check-in unless you have a flight out of Col on the same reservation. Bit of a waste of money.
Was thinking DR too, but would need to go thru USA. More tests in both directions and extra costs for flights.
Its not easy. Anyone have anything to contribute to this conundrum?
Last night I came across an ATM that allowed 2 million pesos and no fee. It was the Davivienda here in El Rodadero, Santa Marta. I walked up to the machine that the cars drive up to. Maybe the machines inside have a different protocol?