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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3000495]Yup, it doesn't bring you respect or better service, it just makes you an easy mark. And yes, I'm and American but after a couple of decades here I'm well acquainted with local tipping culture, and yes there is a local tipping culture but they are small tips. I've never tipped a BG over the agreed price or tipped at any oily. Soapies, a different story where a few hundred baht is what the locals do. Want to tip the papasan or the mamasan? 20 Baht is fine. Local restaurants, 20 baht to the wait staff in parking attendant is much appreciated.

I'll never forget one of my first visits to Phnom Penh in 2000. On the first night I saw a dude that I had met in Bangkok 6 months before and he literally grabbed me and said, this is what you pay, not more, are you all ruin it for the rest of us. Well, for the most part in many venues in Bangkok it has been ruined for the rest of us. Oilies and online none withstanding. And when I talk about online I mean the local pond not the Foreigner pond.
[/QUOTE]Good luck you met that guy, and even better you were intelligent enough to take the advice.
Look at some of the people here now? Even getting their panties in a wad instead of taking some good advice from the people who've been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Me-me-me-me.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3000577]Maybe you need to tip more?[/QUOTE]Ok yeah that was a good one. 😅.

Not sure how this tipping thing got going. I thought I just briefly mentioned it. Anyways just as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so too will some monger board members get riled up about prices paid, tips, etc. Quite certain that they are "right" and how they view things can be applied to others universally.

That's fine. To be honest I tip a lot in most circumstances, not just mongering. When I think about the talents and opportunities I have been blessed with, the things beyond my control that had to happen for my success, the serrendipities and strange coincidences, I just know it was all an unexplainable gift. The abundance leaves me humbled and spurs a desire to share. I know just like everything in life, it could be zapped away in an instant. Not really that complicated.

Anyways prices and tipping are super boring to me. The least concern I have.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000549]
2 - Another theme: any precum and OK! Time for the condom! Girls that have agreed to condom no BJ abort when there is a * * *SEMEN SIGHTING* * *! Red alert! The tip is a little wet. Condom! Again, I am not sure how to handle this.
.[/QUOTE]The problem is a girl agreeing to BBBJ doesn't usually mean CIM. You start leaking jizz and she's going to assume you're about to explode in her mouth or even that you're orgasming right now. So best to specify CIM beforehand. Most girls (at least the young pretty ones) will refuse but there's still a good number who will do it.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000590]Ok yeah that was a good one. 😅.

Not sure how this tipping thing got going. I thought I just briefly mentioned it. Anyways just as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so too will some monger board members get riled up about prices paid, tips, etc. Quite certain that they are "right" and how they view things can be applied to others universally.

That's fine. To be honest I tip a lot in most circumstances, not just mongering. When I think about the talents and opportunities I have been blessed with, the things beyond my control that had to happen for my success, the serrendipities and strange coincidences, I just know it was all an unexplainable gift. The abundance leaves me humbled and spurs a desire to share. I know just like everything in life, it could be zapped away in an instant. Not really that complicated.

Anyways prices and tipping are super boring to me. The least concern I have.[/QUOTE]Good for you. At the same time it sounds like you while you are amazed at how cheap the pussy in Thailand is, compared to "home", you don't reflect on the reason the pussy is that cheap is because not everyone overflows the girls with tips, in addition to paying the already exaggerated tourist prices most of us are paying for the same, or in most cases, inferior, pussy.

Though I agree, it's rather boring, and people are of course free to spend their money however they want. Yet ...

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3000495] Yes, I'm sure for a newbie who has been trapped in the west, especially america, with very few prospects, Bangkok is wonderful now, but you can't expect those of us who experienced what it was like a quarter of a century ago to celebrate what we have now.[/QUOTE]This accurately states why some of us here refer to the past as being much better. You had to be there to understand. But I would agree with Explorer's comment that things haven't changed that much in the past ten years.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000590]Ok yeah that was a good one. 😅.

Not sure how this tipping thing got going. I thought I just briefly mentioned it. Anyways just as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so too will some monger board members get riled up about prices paid, tips, etc. Quite certain that they are "right" and how they view things can be applied to others universally.

That's fine. To be honest I tip a lot in most circumstances, not just mongering. When I think about the talents and opportunities I have been blessed with, the things beyond my control that had to happen for my success, the serrendipities and strange coincidences, I just know it was all an unexplainable gift. The abundance leaves me humbled and spurs a desire to share..[/QUOTE]I am not a member of the price police and I totally get the idea of giving more just to pass it forward after we have been given much.

But as an ISG member hoping to learn something of a P4P nature from field reports here, my question is; did the generous tipping to mamasans, the servers, the staff, giving extra money beyond the amount agreed upon to the girl improve upon the P4P experience for you in a subsequent visit to the venue or the next session with a girl?

That is where I can learn something from your reporting of it. Otherwise, I don't care how much anyone pays for their fun. But can you share whether your or, by extension, would my doing it improve my chances of getting more and better sex next time.

Again, not to say there isn't value in doing for others without expecting anything in return. I certainly get that.

But in terms of what this website is all about, what can I learn from it?

For example, without going back and rereading or quoting specific passages, maybe just in general; you wanted BBFSCIP with a girl. She refused to comply or rebuffed your attempt. Let's say. But then you gave her a generous tip after the session.

Did you return for a second session with that girl? If so, did she then agree or even lead the way to having BBFSCIP with you, already knowing full well that is what you want and having been given a generous amount of extra baht the time before?

Same with handing out generous tips to mamasans and staff at a bar. If or when you returned to that bar was the mamasan proactively helpful in wanting to know what you want a girl of your choice in her bar to do for you and putting in some effort to arrange it for you? You know, like a generously tipped mamasan ought to be doing?

Those are the things I want to know here on this site when it comes to the subject of tipping. And especially generous tipping.

If reports are that tipping generously results in getting the DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP that I certainly want in a session with an attractive girl then I have learned from your FR to consider doing more of it.

However, if generous tipping does not move mamasans to put in some effort to assure the girl of your choice in that bar next time does everything you want without hassle and the girl you took before and tipped generously makes no effort to provide everything you want if or when you repeat with her, then I might conclude generous tipping even though you or let's say I won't get what I want the next time around is simply paying everyone extra baht NOT to provide what I want in the deal. They apparently concluded what they DIDN'T do for you was great and worth a bonus tip. Then they'll simply continue NOT doing it for you and expecting to be rewarded for NOT doing it. LOL.

What happens when you do tip generously and repeat a bar or a particular girl? Does anyone make a greater effort to make sure you get everything you want and the way you want it?

As a leaning experience for the rest of us, that is.

OK I've reflected on this a bit more. There is some nuance here.

Back home I am definitely a bit stingier. If service sucks I will reflect that in a lack of tip, or a minimal tip. I probably tip a little more than some but not crazy. But in certain cases I show my appreciation. I was in NYC a few months ago. Went to a KAMP randomly and unannounced. Provider was probably one of the best I've ever had as far as service, never mentioned a condom and just said go for it when I told her I was about to cum. (She was the one that opened my world to BBFSCIP as being perfectly natural and human. Not something to be terrified of.) Not a single discussion of price before all this. Nothing is worse then getting all worked up then having to hit the brakes to negotiate mid-session. CAMP ladies love to pull that shit a lot and it is super annoying. Anyways when I am able to just relax, go with the flow, get generous, friendly service, and not worry about negotiating, I reward those girls big time.

Switching gears, I do have to admit I seem to tip a lot more in less developed countries. I know Thailand isn't exactly third world, but I guess I just feel the strength of the dollar here. Mexico too. It just feels like such a small thing to do to give a gift. I am pretty doubtful that tippers are disturbing the economics of mongering in Thailand. There are a ton of factors involved, the elephant in the room being the monetary inflationary transnational regime we are all living under. Somehow I suspect creating trillions of dollars, yuan, yen, euros, won, etc out of thin air is probably more influential.

I am generally a one and done guy so I can't speak to the effects on follow up visits. It has never run through my mind to tip for some future benefit.

Anyways, maybe the under-the-spell-of-Bangkok phase is running its course. Today I went to 101 Premier Massage [URL]https://101premiermassage.com/[/URL] without any prior research, just wandering. I selected Yaya, a MILF with a tight little bod and good smile. But OMG it was bad. Caught her doing the 1 handed half-assed massage thing while on her cellphone. It was just a lackluster massage for about an hour then a bizarre combination of jack hammering, oral that only involved the tip, and intermittent giggles and fake orgasm sounds. I literally was having a hard time staying aroused, so I just said thanks and ended the session. No tip! Just thanks, bow, goodbye.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3000637]I am not a member of the price police and I totally get the idea of giving more just to pass it forward after we have been given much.

But as an ISG member hoping to learn something of a P4P nature from field reports here, my question is; did the generous tipping to mamasans, the servers, the staff, giving extra money beyond the amount agreed upon to the girl improve upon the P4P experience for you in a subsequent visit to the venue or the next session with a girl?

That is where I can learn something from your reporting of it. Otherwise, I don't care how much anyone pays for their fun. But can you share whether your or, by extension, would my doing it improve my chances of getting more and better sex next time..[/QUOTE]I definitely think strategic (for want of a better word) tipping does reap rewards. I'll admit even if I get great service off a girl in a shop or bar I rarely would seek the same girl out again, so I can't answer your specific question in detail. I enjoy the hunt of fresh pussy and a different experience even if it turns out underwhelming, it's always a punt!

But for example, tipping well to bar staff in Thermae, resulted in me being chaperoned on arrival to the top of the queue in subsequent nights. A tip to a mamasan resulted in her sitting down with me a few days later, advising me on which girl was best for this, best for that, asking me my preferences etc. I wasn't disappointed with the girl she chose for me, I wouldn't have picked her by just looking at her without the advice. And a final example, a good tip to night staff in my hotel was worth it's weight in gold, they couldn't do enough for me during my stay during the night when I'd be in and out with girls or having callers from TF etc.

I'm with Josh, if I get a good service off a girl, I'll give a good tip as a small gesture, it small change in Western society but can mean feeding their family in Thailand. I had part-timers from TF ask for no money, gave them 1,500 baht going home after a wonderful fuck session, the girl literally started crying with joy. Sure I would have paid double that for an average fuck for half the time out of thermae.

Sunday night after arriving in Bangkok from a long haul flight I went out along Sukhumvit from Nana end eastwards looking for a girl. I vaguely remember talking to someone and I have this barely a memory in my head of thinking 'why am I not taking her to my hotel? But this could be a false memory. Anyway next thing I remember coming too outside sat down somewhere about 4 am. I don't even remember where. It took me about 2 hours to get back to my hotel at 6 am though I don't think I walked that far. But I did sit drinking a cold drink from an all night shop for about an hour after I came to. Anyway what is strange and good is I had still had my phone, both my cards (nothing debited) but about 4000 baht missing from my wallet though about 200 were left in it. I can make little sense of the whole. I am just counting my blessings. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3000637]But as an ISG member hoping to learn something of a P4P nature from field reports here, my question is; did the generous tipping to mamasans, the servers, the staff, giving extra money beyond the amount agreed upon to the girl improve upon the P4P experience for you in a subsequent visit to the venue or the next session with a girl?
[/QUOTE]Based on my personal experience, the answer is ABSOLUTELY YES! The reason I do it in Nana Plaza is to get better service tomorrow, the concept works. As I reported a couple days ago, I have one Nana Plaza mamasan who knows me well and knows exactly what I like. She brings recommended girls to me for my review and those girls are already prescreened for BBFSCIP. A year ago I had two Nana Plaza mamasans who treated me like this, now I only have one. I'm 100% sure that I get special treatment because of my history of tips, not because of my movie star good looks, sexy voice, 6-pack abs, conversation skills, nor my perfect fashion sense. It's not just great treatment in the bar, it is better treatment from the girl in the room.

If I walk into the bar next door, I am nobody. I start from scratch.

I expect nothing in return when I tip nice taxi drivers and restaurant staff. But those people help me enjoy life and I'm happy to make their lives a little better.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000549]Well at 430 AM walking around, the lizard brain starts thinking, hmmm maybe I do have one more shot in me?

I tried to show some street girls what I wanted on Google translate: shower together, 1 HR massage, body to body, BJ without condom.

One girl said no BJ without condom. Another, who literally 10 minutes earlier was trying to flag me down to sit for a drink, got strangely standoff-ish. She had excellent English. Suddenly she didn't like my vibe, thought I was a scammer, and quoted 300 USD.

Well, that's not working.

Across from Nana it was very sparse but one Vietnamese girl (Dee) caught my eye. I just said, Hi, 1 HR massage? And things clicked from there.

There are a few things puzzling me:

1 - This is I believe the third girl who agreed to kissing beforehand but in the room it was very minimal though. Somehow I have not found the right screening for this.

2 - Another theme: any precum and OK! Time for the condom! Girls that have agreed to condom no BJ abort when there is a * * *SEMEN SIGHTING* * *! Red alert! The tip is a little wet. Condom! Again, I am not sure how to handle this.

3 - These freelance girls say 1 HR which seems to mean after you are banging them for 15 minutes they start telling you to cum. This is kind of a turn off and I'm not sure if others have dealt with this somehow?

But regardless, even with these annoyances, having sex with a cute 25 year old Vietnamese girl was a good thing.[/QUOTE]The answer to several of your questions is because most of the punters except that type of behavior. 25 years ago I was about 75% freelance 25% bar. The gals I took from Thermae, Nana Disco, and the street for the most part all performed pretty well. Rarely had a problem with kissing and never had a problem with tissue wiping when precum appeared or a rush to put on a condom. And on the rare occasion when that nonsense started, I would simply get up and start to put on my clothes. Gal would ask me what was wrong, and I would tell her straight up in Thai that I expected her to do me like I was a boyfriend or she was in a "sex movie. " I would also stress to her that I did not want her to do anything she was uncomfortable with and that if she was uncomfortable with what I wanted to do we would stop right now and I would pay her less than the agreed upon price. Never had any type of anger or blow out in these situations because I was stressing that I did not want her to do anything she did not want to do, but in turn when she was doing was not up to my standards.

And stated above, this was a very rare occurrence my first seven or so years here. But towards the late 00's it became more common and at that point I switched to 100% PSE oilies and was very fortunate to be able to hit the golden days of Tulip, Mango, SW, and Cherry. Miguel's working in those places back then were far better looking than the gals working there now and all pure filth. Sometimes you would look down and you couldn't believe what you were doing with a girl that good looking. Towards the mid 10's a plethora of oily places began to open and competition for good looking talent among the mama sons became very intense, so intense that many shops dropped performance standards significantly in order to attract better looking girls to their shop. And guess what? It worked. Talent levels at the PSE places began to drop. And have continued to drop to this day. The combination of looks and incredible performance which was so readily available is now really a unicorn.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3000587]Good luck you met that guy, and even better you were intelligent enough to take the advice.
Look at some of the people here now? Even getting their panties in a wad instead of taking some good advice from the people who've been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Me-me-me-me.[/QUOTE]There has been a lot of mental illness demonstrated here since Covid.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3000714]Based on my personal experience, the answer is ABSOLUTELY YES! The reason I do it in Nana Plaza is to get better service tomorrow, the concept works. As I reported a couple days ago, I have one Nana Plaza mamasan who knows me well and knows exactly what I like. She brings recommended girls to me for my review and those girls are already prescreened for BBFSCIP. A year ago I had two Nana Plaza mamasans who treated me like this, now I only have one. I'm 100% sure that I get special treatment because of my history of tips, not because of my movie star good looks, sexy voice, 6-pack abs, conversation skills, nor my perfect fashion sense. It's not just great treatment in the bar, it is better treatment from the girl in the room.

If I walk into the bar next door, I am nobody. I start from scratch.

I expect nothing in return when I tip nice taxi drivers and restaurant staff. But those people help me enjoy life and I'm happy to make their lives a little better.[/QUOTE]I tip in Thermae, Billboard and Rainbow and the downstairs Beer garden. I don't tip girls as a matter of course.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3000682]I definitely think strategic (for want of a better word) tipping does reap rewards. I'll admit even if I get great service off a girl in a shop or bar I rarely would seek the same girl out again, so I can't answer your specific question in detail. I enjoy the hunt of fresh pussy and a different experience even if it turns out underwhelming, it's always a punt!

But for example, tipping well to bar staff in Thermae, resulted in me being chaperoned on arrival to the top of the queue in subsequent nights. A tip to a mamasan resulted in her sitting down with me a few days later, advising me on which girl was best for this, best for that, asking me my preferences etc. I wasn't disappointed with the girl she chose for me, I wouldn't have picked her by just looking at her without the advice. And a final example, a good tip to night staff in my hotel was worth it's weight in gold, they couldn't do enough for me during my stay during the night when I'd be in and out with girls or having callers from TF etc.

I'm with Josh, if I get a good service off a girl, I'll give a good tip as a small gesture, it small change in Western society but can mean feeding their family in Thailand. I had part-timers from TF ask for no money, gave them 1,500 baht going home after a wonderful fuck session, the girl literally started crying with joy. Sure I would have paid double that for an average fuck for half the time out of thermae.[/QUOTE]Strategic Tipping is not only a great term for it but employing it is also great for you, great for the market, great for improving Value For Money in the market, great for the girls who honestly want to make us happy and earn more money for it, great for our fellow punters, great for the next customer who chooses a girl who does get generously rewarded for providing what her customers want and if I happen to be her next customer it is great for me! LOL.

I see that is also the point of HorseTrader's post about rewarding mamasans for vetting the girls in their lineup at gogo bars for the BBFSCIP he wants and therefore he is happy to pay for it and tip well all around.

I do the same with mamasans in gogo bars. Try it, guys. In every bar with a mamasan you go to. Helping the customers connect with the girls in their lineup who would be willing and eager to deliver what that customer wants is or sure as hell should be the job of the mamasan, the reason they work there as mamasans instead of simply being a much older and fatter LadyDrink hustler in street clothes.

If they balk at doing their job in that way or hand you some blithering nonsense for not earning their pay with "I don't know. Up to the girl", ignore them, never tip them and, better yet, just walk out and go to another bar where a mamasan earns her pay. Duh. Of course it is "up to the girl", mama. We all know that. The concept is the mamasan is supposed to know which of her girls are known to provide one thing or another and which ones are known to do very little. And the mamasans will know these things about their girls.

And the added value of going about it this way through a mamasan who might have only been tipped 100-200 baht for the effort is the testimonial from a mamasan to her girls that "this is a good customer, he is not a scammer, he will pay you what he agrees to pay you and give you a tip if you make him happy so make him happy" carries much, much, much more weight coming from their mamasan than anything you as a foreign customer merely hoping you will be treated well in the room could ever carry with a hundred assurances over a couple of Lady Drinks.

A fellow punter posts a FR about a provider at a well known Happy Ending Massage Shop happily delivering the worst service he has ever experienced as though most of her previous customers had been handing her an extra 500-1000 baht tip for that kind of treatment. Which they probably had been doing just out of habit without really giving much thought to how that habitual behavior lowers the quality and value of a P4 P destination over time.

Walked into Thermae last night and chatted with two women that had weird energy. Then met Bee. I confessed I was shy and she said "me too!" I then asked if she wanted to go be shy together and that was that. Very feminine and it was nice how she gently held my arm the whole walk back to my place. She was a little older (38) but looked early 30's to me.

It was a decent encounter. Probably BBBJ was the best part. Required condom for sex. I've decided to stop trying to negotiate this stuff on this trip and just go with the flow. Probably should get some of those Japanese condoms though (forget their name). It was good but I wasn't really moved to ask for contact info. Paid 3000.

Then today I checked Thai Friendly.

A profile just read "Massage". I pinged her and she was at my place in 1 HR. Quoted 2 HR "massage + BJ + sex" for 3000 baht. It was the best sex so far. She has a nerdy face, not the prettiest girl but full lips, super long hair and great attitude. She works locally in a legit MP. Very working class vibe and not high maintenance attitude. Slightly thick and nice round ass. Nice shape and curves, not overweight.

Started with basic oil massage and a good amount of teasing. Then flipped, more massage then pretty darn good BBBJ, 90% there with DT. Very sloppy and wet and didn't rush things. She would gag now and then and go back for more like a trooper. Asked if I could massage her and she was good with it. She had a very fertile scent.

Anyways long story short earlier on she asked, you have condom? But after the massage and a little foreplay I said should I get the condom?. . . Yes. I said I don't really need it though. . . She says. . . OK. Bingo! Good session. She seemed to let go and was moving for her, not me. *THATS* what I am looking for. We definitely clicked. Plenty of DFK. Asked if I could CIP but she asked me to pull out. OK, no prob. Still, best so far.