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[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019456]I'm not sure if it's your first time in Thailand, or not, ....[/QUOTE]I follow the international standard. No need to live in Thailand for 50 years. I pay the catalog price and tip based on service quality I consider appropriate. I do the same everywhere in the world.
Explain to us how you do it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3019468]I have no idea what is considered normal for a tip because I have not watched anybody else paying. But as for me, I give 50 baht for each hour of massage. I have been going to the same people at the same shops for years. Hell, I even used to fuck my main massage lady for 1000 baht LT when I first met her. To this day nobody has complained about the 50 baht / hour tip.[/QUOTE]Are they UGLY?
[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3019261]Got into Bangkok about 3 hrs ago, and got into the hotel after midnight. I'm over 70, it was a long flight, and I was still a bit dehydrated from the brutal heat yesterday in Tokyo, so I did the sensible thing, took a shower, and went out looking for pussy, weed, and alcohol. Took less than half an hour to find all three, though I passed on the alcohol. I took a stroll on Soi 4 south of the Nana station, and there is a cannabis dispensary / bar where you can buy, smoke, and drink a few blocks from my hotel. I asked about the law change and he was pretty nonchalant about it. No card or license but the weed is expensive at 300-500 baht per gram. I bought a few grams, and since I hadn't smoked in Japan I bought a couple of prerolls and had a seat next to a pretty African girl playing cards with her friends, and lit up. Shesh is Tanzanian, and was wearing booty shorts that showed off a slim waist with some small but really nice round full moon cheeks.
I really kind of had a Thai girl in mind, this being Thailand and all, but after we smoked and talked for a few minutes she asked if I wanted to do ST, and asked 2 K. Brief discussion of services, and walked to the hotel. She left her passport at the desk per their security procedures, and up to the room. She wanted money upfront, which we discussed, and largely because I knew she wasn't getting her passport back without my OK I agreed to give her half upfront and tip her well if she did a good job. Once we got past all the business issues everything was totally cool. We showered together, she danced a bit, and followed with the sloppiest DT I have gotten in about a decade. Fucked in a few positions and nutted looking at her sweet ass.
Can't wait to get up tomorrow and maybe go more than 3 blocks from my hotel. Although at this point that hardly seems necessary. Anyway, so far I like Bangkok LOL.[/QUOTE]STD check bro.
[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3019603]STD check bro.[/QUOTE]I don't BBFS, so probably OK, but if not, sharing is caring, and a bunch of why'all are going to see the same girls I see for the rest of this trip. Good luck.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3019494]I am 100% against the shops that include the special and make people pre-pay. But when I read things like that, I understand why they would.[/QUOTE]When I'm made to pay in advance, I never tip after the service. I consider that I've already taken the risk that the service might be bad.
[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019560]LOL.
When we are together in Bangkok she doesn't like to go out of the house much. She prefers to watch her series on TV and on her smartphone all day long (Squid Games is one of her favorites). And I used to fuck her in the evening (after going to Billboard) and if possible in the morning too.
When you're with your girlfriend, do you do everything all day and all night with each other ? Shopping, meals, TV, everything, everything, morning, afternoon, evening... Great, I can't, it's beyond my strength.[/QUOTE]I had one for a month or so and when she wasn't sucking she was sleeping or on the phone. I'm only good for a few weeks like that tho.
[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019571]I follow the international standard. No need to live in Thailand for 50 years. I pay the catalog price and tip based on service quality I consider appropriate. I do the same everywhere in the world.
Explain to us how you do it.[/QUOTE]Thailand does not have a tipping culture fortunately, but regular (non-sex) massage shops are one of the few exceptions I know of. I already explained how I personally do it, and based on some others who chimed in, I'm happy to see I'm perhaps less of a cheapskate than I thought.
When I'm in a regular massage shop and end up banging the girl massaging me, without her mentioning anything about money, I don't afterwards walk out, leaving her a 100 baht tip for the regular thai massage only. I could, and sometimes I'm already by the door exiting the shop, without the girl having said anything, but I don't. I put 2,000 in her hand by the door, let her see what the amount is, wait a few seconds to give her a chance too object, just in case she wants to do that, and then I open the door and exit. Sometimes I pay only 1000 to bang her, but in that case we have already agreed on that price.
Those that gave you the HJ "for free" were not doing it because they think you're so handsome that giving you a HJ is a privilege and a honour. They were thinking (yes, I'm a mindreader) that you knew you should give them at least a normal HJ tip afterwards.
I got in late Thursday night, and as a first-time visitor who carefully read the forum and had a plan for my visit, this place reminds me of the Mike Tyson quote, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face". I'm staying a few blocks from Nana Plaza off Soi 4, and the entire scene is like a sexual punch in the face. When I walk out of my hotel there are 2 or 3 bars with girls calling me before I even get to Soi 4, where there are 100's of freelancers, an equal number of girls offering massage, and a few dozen bars filled with girls calling you, all before you even get to Nana Plaza, which from what I can tell is like a shopping mall of gogo clubs, with a dispensary conveniently located in the entry right past the police guarding the entrance. If I leave my hotel and walk in the other direction I get to Lolita's in about 3 minutes, assuming I get past the couple of MPs on the way, and from there there are innumerable choices.
So far I have brought two freelancers back to my room, gone to one MP (meh), and made a stop at the much-discussed Wood Bar. My rankings so far:
Wood Bar - 1000 baht.
African FL - 2000 baht.
Thai FL - 2000 baht.
8 Fantasy - 2500 baht.
I hit Wood Bar around 7 last night, and I probably wouldn't have made it that far except that I was meeting a friend of a friend for drinks on Soi 12 and it was on my route back. From the descriptions of the veterans here I expected to see a bunch of wrinkled old hags outside but the girl who was calling the customers was mid-30's, had a nice smile, and looked fully qualified to suck my dick. I am over 70 so my standard of "youthful beauty" may be different than others. It also makes me more of a skills than looks guy, especially if it's the second or third nut of the day. Anyway, a BJ bar was on my to-do list, so let me describe the experience for those unfamiliar. "#4" took me upstairs, grabbed her hygiene kit from a locker on the way up, and took me to Room #4, which had a worn Naugahyde chair with a towel over the seat and enough room for her to kneel in front of it, and a sink with a spout designed for frontal and rear cleaning. I don't believe I have ever had a girl wash my asshole before, but she did a thorough job, making sure to clean "tongue depth", which as it turned out was fairly deep. After the cleaning, legs back and straight to rimming, which I think I enjoy because it's rare to find a girl who will do it more than because it feels good. Continued with an excellent BJ and eventually CIM, which she took admirably. Something got lost in the translation, but at some point she offered boom-boom, which I declined. Overall I thought it was a great, if extremely seedy, experience.
Later last night I walked over to Lolita's, but there were only two girls, and neither of them met my standard, such as it is. They told me they open at 9 and there would be more girls. I ended up navigating the obstacle course of pool bar girls and in about 5 minutes found an attractive FL with no ladyboy warning signs. Reasonable performance for 2 K baht.
8:40 on Sunday morning and I'm trying to figure out whether to walk up to Lolita's and try to get an early nut, and maybe go for 3 today, or save my semen and go to Snow White later. Such are the decisions faced by the first-time visitor here.
Your experience summarizes my experience with BJ bars. Bearing in mind I will let almost anyone suck my dick bit prefer they not be hideous.
7-heaven Pretty younger girls with adequate skills. If optics are your thing go here.
Wood Bar. These are girls who used to be hot but now older or heavier. Pleasant enough to look at. But not hags. Amazing skills.
Other BJ bars. Ouch. Very hard to find someone pleasant looking enough to suck my dick.
That's my pov. YMMV.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;3019734]Your experience summarizes my experience with BJ bars. Bearing in mind I will let almost anyone suck my dick bit prefer they not be hideous.
7-heaven Pretty younger girls with adequate skills. If optics are your thing go here.
Wood Bar. These are girls who used to be hot but now older or heavier. Pleasant enough to look at. But not hags. Amazing skills.
Other BJ bars. Ouch. Very hard to find someone pleasant looking enough to suck my dick.
That's my pov. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Good insight, as I was about to walk up the street to Lolita's LOL.
Forgot to throw in that after the poor massage at 8 Fantasy (report in MP forum) I picked a Thai massage place on Soi 4 for a "real" massage. Really not that great but maybe I should have chosen the oil massage instead of the Thai massage. Anyway, she asked me if I wanted a HJ, and I told her a little bit, and next she pointed to her mouth and my dick, and I declined since I picked her for her hand strength and not looks. I let her get me hard as foreplay, expecting to got elsewhere later. So much for the non-sexual massage. Tipped for the hj.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;3019734]
Other BJ bars. Ouch. Very hard to find someone pleasant looking enough to suck my dick.
[/QUOTE]Check out Secret Kiss next time. A new BJ bar with younger girls and more decent management than 7-h.
[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019560]LOL.
When we are together in Bangkok she doesn't like to go out of the house much. She prefers to watch her series on TV and on her smartphone all day long (Squid Games is one of her favorites). And I used to fuck her in the evening (after going to Billboard) and if possible in the morning too.
When you're with your girlfriend, do you do everything all day and all night with each other ? Shopping, meals, TV, everything, everything, morning, afternoon, evening... Great, I can't, it's beyond my strength.[/QUOTE]Living in Bangkok and never looking for a girlfriend but having a very good one more or less drop in my lap anyway, I tried the live-in approach for over a year. Until it was unavoidably obvious my life had not improved in the process. But there is definite value in having a "real" GF in the sense of having someone not on the clock all the time, available and, a biggie, sweet, lovely, loving and affectionate at your side and genuinely interested in sharing non sex related experiences such as new restaurants, exploring around Thailand and elsewhere, special events, movies, entertainment and so on.
BTW, the current international tour of Phantom of the Opera playing atop the Esplanade Mall of all places is magnificent. Casting, voices, performances, production values, all right up there with the original Broadway cast version I saw back in the day. But I digress.
The point is I grudgingly came to see that having a non direct P4 P companion on for the ride even in Bkk has its advantages. However, the live-in thing is a very heavy lift. Too heavy for a young man in his 70's with so many more years of mongering ahead of him. LOL.
So several months ago I went to a much better alternative and set her up in her own cozy, modern apartment with all amenities in a nice, safe but still fun neighborhood far enough away from my stomping grounds yet close enough for her to come over within 40 minutes on the skytrain or for me to go there. With the added bonus for her being she is walking distance from her university.
That is a much better deal. For both of our peace of mind. And the 3-4 days and nights per week when I am not with her for whatever, my retired life in Thailand carries on as before quite nicely.
[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019616]When I'm made to pay in advance, I never tip after the service. I consider that I've already taken the risk that the service might be bad.[/QUOTE]You completely missed the point. Not tipping for an all-inclusive sex service is totally fine.
What you did was go for a regular massage and get "special" massage which is a service provided on top of the regular massage. Very few girls nowadays have an "up to you" tipping for special services but everyone knows the basics (500-HJ, 1000-BJ, 1500 FS).
Forget tipping, What you did was just not pay for the sexual services you received. Because Thai girls don't like to cause a scene, they did not say anything, but what you did was wrong.
I'm all for the Brotherhood helping each other in P4 P, but we have to call it out just the same when things are not correct.
[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019653]Thailand does not have a tipping culture fortunately, but regular (non-sex) massage shops are one of the few exceptions I know of. I already explained how I personally do it, and based on some others who chimed in, I'm happy to see I'm perhaps less of a cheapskate than I thought.
When I'm in a regular massage shop and end up banging the girl massaging me, without her mentioning anything about money, I don't afterwards walk out, leaving her a 100 baht tip for the regular thai massage only. I could, and sometimes I'm already by the door exiting the shop, without the girl having said anything, but I don't. I put 2,000 in her hand by the door, let her see what the amount is, wait a few seconds to give her a chance too object, just in case she wants to do that, and then I open the door and exit. Sometimes I pay only 1000 to bang her, but in that case we have already agreed on that price.
Those that gave you the HJ "for free" were not doing it because they think you're so handsome that giving you a HJ is a privilege and a honour. They were thinking (yes, I'm a mindreader) that you knew you should give them at least a normal HJ tip afterwards.[/QUOTE]I've done the same for the price undiscussed fuck, paying at exit, or at cashier desk downstairs.
Only once have I had the uncomfortable moment of the girl wanting, more like expecting more, and it was a low key quiet request for more at that.
I defused it with an extra 200, she wasn't happy still, but she begrudgingly took it anyway, realising that was all that was on offer.
Looks like they haven't changed the worn-out chair in the last room yet. Hahaha: the.
[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3019729]I got in late Thursday night, and as a first-time visitor who carefully read the forum and had a plan for my visit, this place reminds me of the Mike Tyson quote, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face". I'm staying a few blocks from Nana Plaza off Soi 4, and the entire scene is like a sexual punch in the face. When I walk out of my hotel there are 2 or 3 bars with girls calling me before I even get to Soi 4, where there are 100's of freelancers, an equal number of girls offering massage, and a few dozen bars filled with girls calling you, all before you even get to Nana Plaza, which from what I can tell is like a shopping mall of gogo clubs, with a dispensary conveniently located in the entry right past the police guarding the entrance. If I leave my hotel and walk in the other direction I get to Lolita's in about 3 minutes, assuming I get past the couple of MPs on the way, and from there there are innumerable choices.
So far I have brought two freelancers back to my room, gone to one MP (meh), and made a stop at the much-discussed Wood Bar. My rankings so far:
Wood Bar - 1000 baht.
African FL - 2000 baht.
Thai FL - 2000 baht.
8 Fantasy - 2500 baht.
I hit Wood Bar around 7 last night, and I probably wouldn't have made it that far except that I was meeting a friend of a friend for drinks on Soi 12 and it was on my route back. From the descriptions of the veterans here I expected to see a bunch of wrinkled old hags outside but the girl who was calling the customers was mid-30's, had a nice smile, and looked fully qualified to suck my dick. I am over 70 so my standard of "youthful beauty" may be different than others. It also makes me more of a skills than looks guy, especially if it's the second or third nut of the day. Anyway, a BJ bar was on my to-do list, so let me describe the experience for those unfamiliar. "#4" took me upstairs, grabbed her hygiene kit from a locker on the way up, and took me to Room #4, which had a worn Naugahyde chair with a towel over the seat and enough room for her to kneel in front of it, and a sink with a spout designed for frontal and rear cleaning. I don't believe I have ever had a girl wash my asshole before, but she did a thorough job, making sure to clean "tongue depth", which as it turned out was fairly deep. After the cleaning, legs back and straight to rimming, which I think I enjoy because it's rare to find a girl who will do it more than because it feels good. Continued with an excellent BJ and eventually CIM, which she took admirably. Something got lost in the translation, but at some point she offered boom-boom, which I declined. Overall I thought it was a great, if extremely seedy, experience.
Later last night I walked over to Lolita's, but there were only two girls, and neither of them met my standard, such as it is. They told me they open at 9 and there would be more girls. I ended up navigating the obstacle course of pool bar girls and in about 5 minutes found an attractive FL with no ladyboy warning signs. Reasonable performance for 2 K baht.
8:40 on Sunday morning and I'm trying to figure out whether to walk up to Lolita's and try to get an early nut, and maybe go for 3 today, or save my semen and go to Snow White later. Such are the decisions faced by the first-time visitor here.[/QUOTE]